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Associated Press Go-To Guy: Hard Core Radical Islamist

Mon, Aug 14, 2006 at 9:20:48 am PDT

One of the most insidious and deceptive mainstream media practices is quoting radical Islamists (or radical leftists) as “experts” without providing any context to evaluate their statements.

Here’s a prime example in an Associated Press article by William J. Kole, promoting the nonsensical, ahistorical view that US/British “foreign policy” is somehow to blame for the global jihad: Plot Shows Rise of Extremism in Europe.

To advance this theory (which is really a thinly veiled threat), Kole opened his Rolodex and found an “expert” to opine on the matter—Azzam Tamimi, one of the most hard-core Islamists currently operating in Britain. But you won’t find this out from Kole’s article.

Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects in British police custody to allegedly plot to blow up U.S.-bound jetliners with liquid explosives. But many in their middle and working class neighborhoods said the communities have become alienated by U.S. and British policy in the Middle East.

“Governments in Europe insist this is a problem of ideology, but the real cause of this phenomenon is the political crisis that is sweeping the world with the war in Iraq and the situation in Palestine,” said Azzam Tamimi, director of the London-based Institute of Islamic Political Thought.

Like the Sept. 11 terror attacks, the London bombings on July 7, 2005, “should have been lessons for everybody _ that government policies endanger the security of everyone,” Tamimi said. “The root cause has never been addressed. Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.”

Since the Associated Press wants you to accept this radical Islamic propaganda as a legitimate argument, here’s some context on Azzam Tamimi from a video shot on July 10, 2006 in London, raving and screaming in front of pictures of Hizballah leader Hassan Nasrallah and the Ayatollah Khomeini, calling Israel a “cancer that must be eradicated,” and praising the virtues of jihad:

UPDATE at 8/14/06 9:54:30 am:

Azzam Tamimi also shows up today on NPR’s Morning Edition: British Muslims Call for a Change in Foreign Policy. (Hat tip: wrenchwench.)

UPDATE at 8/14/06 11:05:00 am:

Jeff Goldstein is noticing The pattern in the cArPet.

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1 Targetpractice, Worst of Both Worlds  8/14/06 7:22:47 am reply quote

Anybody's an "expert" if they tell the media exactly what they want to hear.

2 solomonpanting  8/14/06 7:24:28 am reply quote

Yeah, remember all of the terrorist attacks in the world after the US invaded Korea and Vietnam?

3 AG in Houston  8/14/06 7:24:43 am reply quote

Using foreign policy as the excuse for terrorist attacks is simply a thinly veiled request to the lowest form of hatred:

"If you just let us kill all the Jews in "Israel", then we would all live in peace.

4 Liz Ard  8/14/06 7:24:51 am reply quote

Insidious & deceptive.

Good adjectives to describe MSM behaviour.

5 barryg  8/14/06 7:25:32 am reply quote

Don't be foolish. The left wing media knows exactly what they are doing. Truth, lies, it doesn't matter to our enemy (i.e. the left and the mohammed-worshippers). All is legitimate when its for the greater good of advancing the Jihad.

6 taxfreekiller  8/14/06 7:25:34 am reply quote

Gordon alert,

fe, fi, fo, fum I tfk smell the blood of a
loon liberal near by....

Gordon, go away, we have msm media lies to kill, you know like Lt. Kerry offical records the msm never brings up...

fast now run, tordo....

7 m  8/14/06 7:26:25 am reply quote

None of that matters to AP. They have their own agenda >:[

8 arclight  8/14/06 7:26:59 am reply quote

Dhimmi, thy name is (azz)Kole....

9 solomonpanting  8/14/06 7:27:47 am reply quote

6 taxfreekiller

Kerry will release his records when OJ finds the real killer.

10 Frank_Mtl  8/14/06 7:28:09 am reply quote

The video clip is eloquent. A peaceful man preaching to the choir, complete with Neturei Karta pseudo-jews.

11 mayweed  8/14/06 7:28:09 am reply quote

Just like Islam itself, the MSM is a 'cancer that needs to be eradicated'.

12 solomonpanting  8/14/06 7:28:54 am reply quote
Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects in British police custody to allegedly plot to blow up U.S.-bound jetliners with liquid explosives.

Pssssst. It's in the Koran.

13 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  8/14/06 7:28:59 am reply quote

Wow a regular Hubert Humphrey of moderation and liberal understanding.

14 Ojoe  8/14/06 7:29:49 am reply quote

"British foreign policy" my ass.

Even Ghandi could not make peace with the islamists.

And here's what the Brits need to do to the airline "plotters":

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk:80...]

15 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 7:30:16 am reply quote

What would have happened if those 10 or so planes actually fell out of the sky? I think the New York Times and some on the left should be very thankful that this plot was foiled.

16 RBMN  8/14/06 7:30:17 am reply quote

Azzam Tamimi probably thinks rape is caused by the woman's failure to "lay back and enjoy it."

17 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 7:30:28 am reply quote

.


Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects

It's not "little", it's short, concise:

THEY ARE MUSLIMS.
AND ISLAM IS A MILITARY-POLITICAL ENTERPRISE SET TO CONQUER THE WORLD AND ENSLAVE THE HUMAN KINS.

Is that "short" ? I think it's 1400 years LONG.

18 Van Impe  8/14/06 7:30:56 am reply quote
the real cause of this phenomenon is the political crisis that is sweeping the world with the war in Iraq and the situation in Palestine

So Muslims in Europe are so enraged by the fact that Islamic terrorists in Iraq continue to murder innocent Iraqis, that they have no recourse but to become Islamic terrorists themselves and murder innocent Westerners. Even if this were true, where is the logic? (rhetorical question - no answer required)

19 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 7:30:58 am reply quote

KINS ?
kind and PIMF

20 Axiom  8/14/06 7:32:32 am reply quote

I can see the AP headlines now.

"1995 "Opertion Bojinka" a pre-emptive strike against United States for future war with Iraq"

21 Frank_Mtl  8/14/06 7:33:26 am reply quote

Marginally better than a Galloway tirade.

22 wrenchwench  8/14/06 7:34:13 am reply quote

NPR had Timimi on this morning. No surprise there. Link

23 westoner  8/14/06 7:34:54 am reply quote

In what way is "western foreign policy" responsible for the jihad in the Philippines, in Thailand, in India, in the Sudan etc..... The overwhelming number of the people suffering at the hands of muslims are not westerners, but non-mulsims in the third world, people the western MSM do not seem to think exist.


It’s not western foreign policy that’s the problem. It’s islam’s policy of violent hostility to every non-islamic culture on planet earth.

24 grayp  8/14/06 7:35:55 am reply quote

#15 Eric

I think the New York Times and some on the left should be very thankful that this plot was foiled.

Believe me, they are. As far as they're concerned it would have been manna from heaven for Bush.

25 savage_nation[deleted]  8/14/06 7:37:54 am
26 Orbit Rain  8/14/06 7:38:07 am reply quote
Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.

*That* is a threat...send the FBI my way, because here is another terrorist *I* would _have killed_...

I'm also thinking about a popular militia to go and destroy the AP. Let's watch "ammendments" battle it out.

27 bushleague  8/14/06 7:38:49 am reply quote

This drive me freakin nuts. People in my neighborhood (ultra blue Mass.) who have not developed a distrust of the media, often come to me as the only openly conservitave person they know and shove this crap in my face as proof BushCo. is leading us off the cliff. not all of these people are moonbats. They were raised on the Boston Globe and still believe what they read. What will it take to open some eyes? Some actually quote Jimmy Carter at me. (this part of hood I avoid.)I tell yah it is brutal at times.

28 m  8/14/06 7:39:41 am reply quote

Hey [[[[[savage]]]]]! How ya doin hon? Can you believe the AP? Blatant in their bias I tell ya.

29 bushleague  8/14/06 7:39:46 am reply quote

gah! must learn to spell!

30 Geepers  8/14/06 7:40:37 am reply quote

Say “ah” the Reuters way!

Joan, a freelance writer living in Israel has cited an example of the ubiquity of the engineering of news: her editor at Reuters Medical information group wanted her to spin a medical story into a political one.

“When you’re pitching story ideas, you normally have 5 to 10 of them – instead they wanted me to cover something that really wasn’t a medical story at all.”

The only choice she felt comfortable with was to step away:

One of the reasons I stopped freelancing for Reuters medical Web site: Instead of doing a story about a massive Israeli hospital drill or the discovery of a new drug platform, Reuters wanted me to write about Israel restricting ambulances with pregnant and or sick women and children inside from entering Israel.

She notes that she could sense no specific plans or intent behind this editorial stance.

I tried to explain to the editor the reasoning behind this -- that on occasion, that bombs placed under these people were meant for being smuggled and exploded into Israel. She said no, to use her angle and to forget the "other reason" for this. In other words, never mind the truth.

Hat Tip: grayp.

31 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 7:41:15 am reply quote

#24 Grayp

I agree. But I wasn't really thinking of it in a political sense. Tolerance only goes so far. For example, I don't think that 60 min. interview with Ahmadinejad would have aired. I don't think there would have been a single Hizb'Allah flag in sight anywhere in the country. I think the lads at ANSWER would have not been, shall we say, so mischevious as they were over the weekend. Eventually, something so ugly is going to happen that the very tolerant and quiet, even passive American public is going to say enough nonsense - God knows what happens then.

32 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  8/14/06 7:41:35 am reply quote

The MSM is trying to get us all killed.

33 Ojoe  8/14/06 7:42:26 am reply quote

29 bushleague

Don't worry about spelling, I rad you loud and clear.

34 savage_nation[deleted]  8/14/06 7:42:46 am
35 Owl  8/14/06 7:43:21 am reply quote

Jerusalem Post reporting Hezzballah claims " great victory".

How can we(they, all of us) be so stupid.

While the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles it's fire.......the ignorant hope for peace and fail to see the wolf at the door. His front paw and snout full of teeth are already inside it.

We must do more. we just must.

36 hiker  8/14/06 7:43:29 am reply quote

It's such a crock of sh!t that islamic terrorism is a result of American and British foreign policies (if it were that simple, there would be no jihadi terrorist attacks in India, Russia, Indonesia, the Phillipines, South America, ad infinitum). The fact is islamic terrorism is prescribed in islam itself: it is the duty of all mohammedans to do whatever is necessary to expand islam towards its ultimate goal: total dominance. Islam has NEVER expanded peacefully, or by preaching (except, perhaps, for the "conversions" of inmates in our penal institutions, and they only converted because the islamic "missionaries" promised them the opportunity to strike back at society for revenge). Islam is spread by the sword, and always has been.

37 3 wood  8/14/06 7:44:16 am reply quote

#6 TFK

Gordon alert,

fe, fi, fo, fum I tfk smell the blood of a
loon liberal near by....


Students should start flocking back to the moonbat factories known as University's this week, so I think we will see a reappearance by the collective known as "Gordon" from some University computer lab any day now.

38 LoafingOaf  8/14/06 7:44:29 am reply quote

This isn't just stupidity on the part of Kole. He purposely deceives his readers by hiding who the Islamists he quotes are. Disgusting.

39 ddd  8/14/06 7:44:58 am reply quote

I need help from a Canadian who can call Dave Rutherford show a POS from the Global Policy Forum lied about various resolutions
He said UN resolution 242 required Israel unilateral withdrawal which is an enormous lie it is a as land for peace and final border will change according to British UN ambassador who wrote the article. He can call Stockwell Day office to confirm this. He said hamas has not being involved in terrorist attack since Israel withdrawal. He brought up Sahab farms being part of Lebanon. I am away at 11:30 MDSAT when open line will be on can anybody be available to attack these lies.

40 shug  8/14/06 7:45:23 am reply quote

Insects

41 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 7:47:02 am reply quote

#34 Savage

Blocks of huge cheese wheels ready to blow LOL

I prefer the visual of four husky Nords rolling a monstrous cheese ball up hill towards city hall chanting "Viking Power" like that strongman Svend Karlsen*

[Link: www.power-viking.com...]


*even these kinda guys vote Green Party in Europe - god help us

42 MandyManners  8/14/06 7:47:09 am reply quote
16 RBMN

Azzam Tamimi probably thinks rape is caused by the woman's failure to "lay back and enjoy it."

Channelling Bobby Knight today?

43 grayp  8/14/06 7:47:28 am reply quote

Thanks Geepers!

After I posted that, I had some chores to run and was thinking about that piece. I think Joan should have gone balls up and named the editor. Just plain out the woman.

#27 bushleague

I tell yah it is brutal at times.

You wouldn't believe what happened at a dinner party we went to Saturday night. One guest, a woman of about 70, with a Helen Thomas mud-slide face started on Iraq and Bush. (I don't know how to capture her culturally - born in Germany, lived in Romania, Bulgaria, etc.)

So.

"Bush knows NOTHING about democracy! Bush is DICtator! Heil BUSH!" giving the Nazi salute.

My husband caught me in mid-launch over the coffee table.

44 Catttt  8/14/06 7:47:44 am reply quote

Transcript of a BBC News 24 TV interview of this guys on "Hardtalk." Date - November 2, 2004. Tim Sebastian rakes him back and forth, several times, over the coals.

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

45 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 7:49:48 am reply quote

#35 Owl

the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles its fire.......the ignorant hope for peace and fail to see the wolf at the door.

Well, the wolf is sitting comfortably in the family room, after buying the media, the politicos and the "intellectuals".

It must just get big enough to eat the whole West. And it will, it will.

Then the Reconquista will start.
But all this is gonna take some time and a lot of blood.
Looks like the West has lost any power to understand in metaphors, it will have to understand directly from the facts.

46 grayp  8/14/06 7:50:20 am reply quote

#31 Eric

Ah, I see.

I don't think that 60 min. interview with Ahmadinejad would have aired

I saw a note in one of the papers this morning that Iran wanted the entire interview aired w/no editing. CBS has approached C-Span and C-Span has agreed. Tonite at 8 they will air the CBS version, followed by the unedited version.

Should be interesting.

47 Ben Hur  8/14/06 7:52:31 am reply quote

Just saw on Channel 10 news Israel, that the Italian foreign minister was given a tour of Shi'ite neighborhoods be reps of hizbALLAH.

They plan on playing the victim and victor card at the same time.

Apparently it was be impossible for foreign leaders to visit Lebanon without having "a tour of the destruction."

48 Geepers  8/14/06 7:52:54 am reply quote

grayp (#43),

After I posted that, I had some chores to run and was thinking about that piece. I think Joan should have gone balls up and named the editor. Just plain out the woman.

I thought the same thing.

I would have said OK, can you give me a good angle to push it from?

And then published her reply for all the world to see.

49 savage_nation[deleted]  8/14/06 7:52:58 am
50 Dianna  8/14/06 7:53:29 am reply quote

#43 grayp

That's the time when you say, "It must feel good for you to do that again."

Of course, it's a good idea to have an escape route planned in advance.

51 Manker  8/14/06 7:53:43 am reply quote

Attention to all Jews;

It's now officially time to riot, get all your friends.

We now have to go on a rampage, threaten politicians, burn flags, and generally be obnoxious.

Why?

Iran launches Holocaust cartoon exhibit

An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened Monday as Iran's response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

The display, showing 204 entries from Iran and abroad, was strongly influenced by the views of Iran's hard-line president, Mahoud Ahmadinejad, who drew widespread condemnation last year for calling the Holocaust a "myth" and saying Israel should be destroyed.

One cartoon by Indonesian Tony Thomdean shows the Statue of Liberty holding a book on the Holocaust in its left hand and giving a Nazi-style salute with the other.

Masoud Shojai, director of the host Caricature House, said a jury looked through 1,200 entries received after the contest was announced in February by the co-sponsor, the Iranian newspaper Hamshahri.

Let's get to it, and I call dibs on the first beheadings.

52 Ojoe  8/14/06 7:53:56 am reply quote

LGF is the collective Winston Churchill

MSM, Chamberlin (sp, of course)

53 Middle-Earth  8/14/06 7:53:57 am reply quote

The plan to bomb airplanes was a plot made by PM Blair.

YOUNG Welsh Muslims have accused the Government of master-minding this week's plot to blow up transatlantic jets mid-air to justify Tony Blair's war on terror.

Some followers of Islam have claimed the arrest of more than 20 people on suspicion of scheming to kill thousands of passengers travelling to America using liquid explosives is designed to bolster the Prime Minister's flagging credibility over the Iraq and Lebanon-Israel crises.

Speaking to Wales On Sunday last night, members of the Cathays Dar-ul-Isra Muslim Community Centre in Cardiff said it was a ploy to reinforce Mr Blair's alliance with US President George W Bush, who waged war on Saddam Hussein on a discredited claim that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction.

"I believe this so-called plot is all a fabrication aimed at covering up the actions of George Bush and Tony Blair," said Abdul Ullah, 26. "Sadly, people will believe whatever they are told these days."

Yeah right. We all know that muslims are a very peace loving people.

54 grayp  8/14/06 7:56:40 am reply quote

#50 Dianna
LOL!

No, when I lose my temper like that - rare, but it happens - like when someone attacks my dog - thoughts of escape usually occur to my target.

55 crazytraveler  8/14/06 7:57:19 am reply quote

I don't see this seething hatred towards Bush. I mean, if he cured cancer singlehandedly tomorrow, he'd get reamed for not curing AIDS first. If it was the US who broke the plot, we'd have people decrying the loss of civil liberties and illegal wiretaps, etc.

I'm glad to see the AP actually doing some fact checking by getting soundbytes from radical islamists. I used to think that this was just sloppy journalism, but now I see it's something more sinister.

And they say that the Jews control the media! Ha!

56 mattm  8/14/06 7:57:27 am reply quote

According to the media, a expert is someone who tells you what they waht to hear.

57 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 7:58:19 am reply quote

#53 Middle-Earth

Take a look at many of the posts at Huffpo or Kos - a great many, not all, but I'd guess at least half or more think the same thing. They should hang Lamont with this FACT. Some repuglican should make a commercial in Conneticutt pointing out the 9/11 was an inside job" and "Bush and Blair created the London plane bombings" sentinment that his WIDELY held by the nutroots. Not some fringe. Someone needs to point this out to the Democratic party - "Do democrats know what they're party thinks? Don't take my word for, visit their sites and see what they're writing. 9/11 was an inside job."

58 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 7:59:26 am reply quote

#57 OH, and those hasty spelling errors are free of charge.

59 shug  8/14/06 8:00:19 am reply quote

#52 Ojoe

LGF is the collective Winston Churchill

MSM, Chamberlin (sp, of course)

or MSM is the coillective Ward Chirchill

60 freya4freedom  8/14/06 8:00:23 am reply quote
Little is known of what may have motivated the 23 suspects...

Oh pleaaaaaaaaseeeeeeee enough crap!...
ISLAM! ISLAM! ISLAM!
It's the jihad stupid!

61 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  8/14/06 8:00:39 am reply quote

For those interested a briefamaterur study of Ahmadinejad.

62 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 8:00:47 am reply quote

#47 Ben Hur

Just saw on Channel 10 news Israel, that the Italian foreign minister was given a tour of shi'ite neighborhoods be reps of hizb'aLLAH.

The Italian FM is a frigging commie, he's more than happy to help the islamofascists.

ALL can be done to subvert the West, everything and anything.

63 Ojoe  8/14/06 8:00:56 am reply quote

57 ECC:

"Do democrats know what they're party thinks? Don't take my word for, visit their sites and see what they're writing. 9/11 was an inside job."

The Democrats are finished.

64 javems  8/14/06 8:03:16 am reply quote
“The root cause has never been addressed. Unless they open a debate, the threat will never go away.”


The debate:

Them - Submit or die.

Us - You first.

65 MandyManners  8/14/06 8:04:28 am reply quote
#51 Manker 8/14/2006 09:53AM PDT

Iran launches Holocaust cartoon exhibit

An exhibition of more than 200 cartoons about the Holocaust opened Monday as Iran's response to last year's Muslim outrage over a caricature of the Prophet Muhammad in a Danish newspaper.

A Dane draws cartoons about Muhammed so it follows that the Holocaust is a laughing matter. Is that right?

That's one of the most extreme examples of pretzel logic I've seen in a while. JPN.

66 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 8:05:01 am reply quote

#53 Middle-Earth

said Abdul Ullah

And he speaks from...Wales ?
And what the heck is Abadulullalla' doing in Wales ?
Why doesn't he go back to his desert and his goats ?
Why do we tolerate the invasion ?
Why do we tolerate that the invaders speak ?

And for US, in America, DID WE WRITE THE CONSTITUION TO PROTECT THE THE RED-COATS ?

67 Catttt  8/14/06 8:05:19 am reply quote

54 grayp

LOL!

I understand that. When it comes to those rare moments where flight or fight kicks in, I lean towards fight.

68 loppyd  8/14/06 8:05:52 am reply quote

It's maddening.

Seriously, I don't get the Left and the MSM's delusional thinking that they would somehow get a pass if a Jihadist was planning to blow up their plane, train, building.

69 therewaslight  8/14/06 8:08:19 am reply quote

Azzam Timimi video - what's that left arm doing?

70 Greg  8/14/06 8:08:46 am reply quote

While the Army of Darkness rearms, regroups and rekindles it's fire--(snippet)

----------------------------

Where's Bruce Campbell when we need him?

Give me some sugar baby!

71 mahatma coat  8/14/06 8:10:00 am reply quote

"unless the root causes are addressed ,THE THREAT WILL NEVER GO AWAY" ....indeed,well at least he's up front about it

72 ploome hineni  8/14/06 8:10:07 am reply quote

....and the fact that "Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women."

and the fact that these fkrs feel they are entitled to the dole (jizya)

has no impact on their feelings of worthlessness?

I think they hate us because they are racist

73 J.D.  8/14/06 8:11:00 am reply quote

#43 grayp
No doubt a very good thing your husband was there!

74 Eric Cartman's Conscience  8/14/06 8:11:58 am reply quote

#63 ojoe

Not if the republicans continue to frame it simply as "they're weak on defense." That won't cut it. But someone telling a large audience "do you know that many democrats think 9/11 was an inside job?" That is a wholly different can of worms. Initially, the dems would cry foul. That is where the right would have to hold ground and, instead of backing off, keep repeating "it's true - just visit these popular blogs like Huffpo and dailykos" Make the democrats either disavow or defend the "9/11 was an inside job" types. Either way - it is a win-win. But the repuglicans need to take the gloves off. They're accussed of being ruthless. Maybe it's time they started being just that.

75 J.D.  8/14/06 8:12:17 am reply quote

#72 ploome
Lemme guess.
We're to assume it's our fault.

76 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 8:13:16 am reply quote

#68 Loppyd

Seriously, I don't get the Left and the MSM's delusional thinking that they would somehow get a pass if a Jihadist was planning to blow up their plane, train, building.

These are the same guys who think they can build a communist gulag and remain free.

It's a powerful death-wish, a thanatos drive, in psychological terms.

They know the truth but they cover it.

EXACTLY like the heroin addict knows that heroin WILL kill him. JUST EXACTLY IN THE SAME WAY.
But he lost some decisive battles in his psychological growth and a death wish is all he has.

Of course living in a culture in which NIHILISM is the only true philosophy of EVERYBODY, nobody excluded, helps a lot in this way to self-destruction.

77 mahatma coat  8/14/06 8:13:27 am reply quote

of course they're racist...caucasians have hardly cornered the market.Moslems ,Chinese ,Indian etc......you need PC blinders to believe racism is a "white"problem

78 DistantThunder  8/14/06 8:14:08 am reply quote

This is the clarion call of the truly evil and abusive. Think about what the father says who kills his young child in a fit of anger: She wouldn't stop crying...she spilled her milk......she wet her pants.

Or what the abusive husband says who cracks open his wife's skull; She didn't have dinner waiting for me....she made me angry...

Somehow liberals are able to see that REGARDLESS of why or how the guy becomes angry...he is WAY out of line in his reactions. And we know the rage and abuse has nothing to do with the milk or the dinner - it's all about the messed up abuser and his sick/twisted perceptions AND his sense of entitlement to take out his rage on the most convenient objects.

The anger and rage, and homicidal tendencies of the Islamos is enviromentally independent - they carry it with them wherever they go.

I'd like to see a sign at a counter-protest that says: We are happier than you.

79 dennisw  8/14/06 8:16:45 am reply quote

Azzam Timimi ... what a nasty piece of work! I remember this lying sack of shit saying that no way could home grown British Muslims be responsible for the London train/bus bombing last July. He was proven wrong two days later

80 buzzsawmonkey  8/14/06 8:17:15 am reply quote

#53 Middle Earth

Young Welsh Muslims

Now there's a prescription for intelligibility; the Koran translated from Arabic script into ancient runes, and recited in Welsh with an Arabic accent. Or in Arabic with a Welsh accent.

81 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 8:17:59 am reply quote

#78 Distant Thunder

EXCELLENT POST, THANK YOU !

Please see my #76 for a similar approach, but talking about the left.

I like a lot this:

The anger and rage, and homicidal tendencies of the Islamos is enviromentally independent - they carry it with them wherever they go.

I'd like to see a sign at a counter-protest that says: We are happier than you.

That is precisely what we should do< it would ACCELERATE their self-destruction.

82 Geepers  8/14/06 8:18:48 am reply quote

Well this is a new twist:

Body Shop Bombed?

The caption reads:

Lebanese civil defense rescuers, try to remove two blanket-wrapped bodies, found trapped under debris and concrete of the destroyed buildings, attacked late Monday by Israeli airstrike, in the southern Beirut suburb of Chiah, Lebanon, Tuesday Aug. 8, 2006. The raid on the Muslim southern suburb next to a Christian neighborhood killed at least 15 people, police officials said. (AP Photo/Hussein Malla)

The bodies were found already wrapped in blankets under the debris of the building.

83 grayp  8/14/06 8:21:27 am reply quote

#72 ploome

Have you seen this?

The UK government is considering denying multimillion-pound contracts to companies that fail to employ enough black and Asian workers, it emerged this week. The Department of Work and Pensions confirmed that three pilot schemes have been approved which will see companies questioned on their workforce diversity before the government decides on the winning bid. […]

[…] [T]he ‘affirmative action’ proposals are less about tackling racial discrimination per se than they are a mechanism to bring the private sector within government control.

Actually, I think it's more about bringing it under the Muslim Council of Britain's control.

84 J.D.  8/14/06 8:22:37 am reply quote

#82 Geepers
Time is of the essence?

85 DistantThunder  8/14/06 8:22:42 am reply quote

The Pathetically Lost:

For those of us with family and friends who are PL - i would like suggestions for a curriculum that, if they were willing, would expose them to the most concise and powerful arguments regarding the Islamofascists and their desire to conquer the world.

1. "Obsession" would be good for starters.

2. I Robot - I saw this for the first time on Saturday, and i was extremely impressed by it's portrayal of those who refuse to believe that Robots are trying to take over the world. Only Will Smith's character sees what's happening while everyone else is in deep denial. For a DENIER, this could be powerful to watch.


other suggestions?

86 ploome hineni  8/14/06 8:23:11 am reply quote
51 Manker 8/14/2006 09:53AM PDT
Attention to all Jews;

It's now officially time to riot, get all your friends.

muslims are gunning down Jews in Seattle

the killer, a 30-year-old named Naveed Haq, forced his way into the offices of the Jewish Federation of Greater Seattle by holding a gun to the head of a 13-year-old girl. Once inside, Haq announced, “I am a Muslim American, angry at Israel,” and opened fire with two semi-automatic pistols. Pam Waechter, 58, died on the spot. Five other women, one of them 20 weeks pregnant, were shot in the abdomen, knee, or arm. When one of the wounded women managed to call 911, Haq took the phone and told the dispatcher: “These are Jews and I’m tired of getting pushed around and our people getting pushed around by the situation in the Middle East.”

This was no spur-of-the-moment meltdown. The police say Haq, who holds an engineering degree from Washington State University, had purchased the two guns and waited 10 days before picking them up on July 27. He selected his target by searching online for Jewish sites. And as his declarations make clear, he was impelled to kill by his antipathy toward Jews and his convictions as a Muslim.

At a time when jihadist murder is a global threat, and when some of the most malevolent figures in the Islamic world -- Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and Hezbollah chieftain Hassan Nasrallah, to name just two -- openly incite violence against Americans and Jews, the attack in Seattle should have been a huge story everywhere. Yet after six days, a Nexis search turned up only 236 stories mentioning Haq -- about one-fourth the number devoted to Gibson’s drunken outburst.

and the authorities main concern seems to have been shielding muslims in Seattle from some non existant paranoid threat fabricated by muslims

87 mahatma coat  8/14/06 8:23:22 am reply quote

#82 Geepers ...comment when I stop laughing

88 Grand Junctionite  8/14/06 8:23:24 am reply quote

#30 Geepers
There are over 50 Al Rueters peeps on line now. What must they think when they read that link? How can anyone who callls themselves a journalist stay employed at such a place?

89 loppyd  8/14/06 8:26:43 am reply quote

76 Poitiers-Lepanto

I agree with your theory. I would add that it is also driven by an unprecedented hatred for the President their quest to bring him down.

In the hours that followed the news of the foiled plot in London, the usual suspects were all jumping in front of cameras to blame Buss instead of the evil bastards who were planning to kill Americans.

90 loppyd  8/14/06 8:28:22 am reply quote

Arrrghhh.

PIMF - Bush not Buss

Need a SB now.

91 Earth2moonbat  8/14/06 8:31:47 am reply quote

#86 ploome hineni

More on Haq:

Haq even told a policeman, "It is hard to meet women." That was in March, at a mall in Kennewick, where he was arrested for lewd conduct. According to the police report: "The victim [a teenage girl] said she noticed Haq standing on the gazebo. Haq then unzipped his pants and exposed his penis at the females. [The victim] states that mall security contacted Haq and Haq flipped them off. Dispatch also advised that the subject was under the influence of methamphetamines."

So naturally, it's the Jews' fault.

92 loppyd  8/14/06 8:33:35 am reply quote

86 ploome

and the authorities main concern seems to have been shielding muslims in Seattle from some non existant paranoid threat fabricated by muslims

and on that note:

Chasm of fear, distrust deepens among Britons.

``Many Muslims feel scared about what's happening. They see that many Muslims are being harassed by the authorities," Malik said as he sat in a tea house in the heavily Muslim Whitechapel neighborhood of London.

Condemn the acts or STFU, Malik.

93 sss111  8/14/06 8:34:07 am reply quote

23 westoner

In what way is "western foreign policy" responsible for the jihad in the Philippines, in Thailand, in India, in the Sudan etc..... The overwhelming number of the people suffering at the hands of muslims are not westerners, but non-mulsims in the third world, people the western MSM do not seem to think exist.

It’s not western foreign policy that’s the problem. It’s islam’s policy of violent hostility to every non-islamic culture on planet earth.



See [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...] for links to Religionofpeace.com's ongoing lists of RoP atrocities around the world.

94 Poitiers-Lepanto  8/14/06 8:34:30 am reply quote

#89 Loppyd

I agree with your theory. I would add that it is also driven by an unprecedented hatred for the President their quest to bring him down.

And that is the cherry on the cake, because the thanatos drive I was ranting about IN FACT means there have been very serious problems with a parental figure.

HENCE, the unlimited "love" for REAL dictators (the good father/mother who will take care of EVERYTHING) and the deep hate for any authority figure who can recall the parental figure that caused a problem.

/Of course the epistemological value of these psychological tools is VERY VERY LIMITED, but they are OK when we are talking about such a low-level phenomenon like the treason of the West by...Westerners.
I wouldn't use a philosophical grid to read behaviors that are in fact suicidal and ultimately childish.

95 loppyd  8/14/06 8:39:56 am reply quote

Sorry if this has already been posted....

Two Fox News journalists kidnapped in Gaza

96 Earth2moonbat  8/14/06 8:40:49 am reply quote

#92 loppyd

Wasn't Malik a bad guy on Star Trek?

97 Dar ul Harb  8/14/06 8:42:08 am reply quote

So, the AP is playing hide the Tamimi?

98 ploome hineni  8/14/06 8:43:32 am reply quote
75 J.D. 8/14/2006 10:12AM PDT
#72 ploome
Lemme guess.
We're to assume it's our fault.



of course its our fault

me and you, as employers MUST provide for our muslims workers a seperate prayer room,

time off 3 times a day for muslim daytime prayers

seperate sections so men and women are not left in the same room together

special food , halal goat and rice

and of course change our foreign policy and political party affiliation

SO THESE FACKOCTA DRECKS CAN FEEL INCLUDED

gimme some ductape...my head is gonna eXPlode

99 ploome hineni  8/14/06 8:45:24 am reply quote

watch fox now

100 Ignorant Mensan  8/14/06 8:48:17 am reply quote

I thought a lot about this last night while watching a PBS pledge drive. The only good thing is that it was a 50's and 60's DOO WOP concert. Great to hear some good music for a change.

What I couldn't dismiss is that, we all know how much leftist/apologist crap is on PBS and NPR. Yet we are forced to support it with taxes. Why is it not time for a Media Tea Party? You know, "Taxation Without Representation," and all. I'm just not sure how to get something started.

BTW, despite the great music (where you can actually understand the words, I cannot bring myself to pledge a red cent to PBS? Anyone else?

101 grayp  8/14/06 8:48:28 am reply quote

Has anyone considered the possibility that the person(s) in the UK passport office is indeed Muslim?

102 ploome hineni  8/14/06 8:55:59 am reply quote
#83 grayp 8/14/2006 10:21AM PDT
#72 ploome

Have you seen this?



unFKG believable

if all the companies refuse to do this, where will the British government go? to USA to buy ?

the companies should pass on the increased cost and aggrivation of 'employing' these people

who don;t want to work at all

did you see the employment stats in the URL

did you see

[Link: www.statistics.gov.uk...]


Unemployment rates: by religion and sex, 2004, GB


Unemployment rates for Muslims are higher than those for people from any other religion, for both men and women.

In 2004, Muslims had the highest male unemployment rate in Great Britain, at 13 per cent. This was about three times the rate for Christian men (4 per cent). Unemployment rates for men in the other religious groups were between 3 and 8 per cent.</