Lets also not forget the dozens of car swarm photos we've seen, where sometimes the chassis is lucky to be in one piece. And, as we've often heard, that's with low-yield weapons, not ones carrying a full charge.

Heh--on the theme of photos, this one shows our illustrious Palestinian fighters practicing against: fire!

How interesting............it just gets deeper and deeper.

Same shit, same MSM, different day. The MSM's pro-terrorist agenda makes me sick!

The key thing to note with Charles' picture is, I think the fact that the windshield is intact. Would you expect that to be the case? (Much less, of course, having your car turned into junk parts for free.)

After all the Pali car swarm pictures we've seen, I'd say that's beyond obvious and into the realm of clumsy.

Well, the caption says it was hit by a "ware plane" so maybe whatever one of those are does that kind of dammage.

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Oh dear. From Al-Guardian:

Bush's belief in a worldwide Islamist conspiracy is foolish and dangerous

Bush has chosen to lump together all violent Muslim opposition to what he perceives as western interests everywhere in the world, as part of a single conspiracy. He is indifferent to the huge variance of interests that drives the Taliban in Afghanistan, insurgents in Iraq, Hamas and Hizbullah fighting the Israelis. He simply identifies them as common enemies of the United States.

Anyone care to Fisk this shit?

All I gotta ask is: Where can I get a car like that? I mean, I'd like to be the first guy on my block to say "Yeah, my car took a hit by an Israel air-to-surface missile and still had the windshield intact."

Even if an air-to-surface missile had been a dud, it would still have done far more damage than that.

All believers in the RoP are conferred special coverage from Isreali arms. That white car has the +5 Rearview Mirror of Protection.

How many refugees drive BMWs?

This war is a WAR OF LIES - from the Media and from the Arabs.

Maybe the owner had purchased the complete " Bumper to Bumper" protection plan from the auto dealer

It's missile damage because the State Farm insurance inspector is also a member of Hizb'allah. Insurance doesn't cover damage caused by flying car parts that were actually hit by missiles.

The picture here looks like someone cut open a sunroof opening where one previously didn't exist. Beyond that, the damage may have come from flying debris. There's no way the truck was hit by a missile. The tires would be flat to say the least.

ok, that car looks like an abandoned junker that some local kids went loose on with rocks.

however, i read on some blog that the conclusion was that some IAF missiles are fired without warheads in order not to create collateral damage against soft targets, the kinetic energy does the rest. Notice that some Hellfires launch upward, and slam down into their targets, so the top-down damage would be correct.

I think this is a BS excuse however, my vote is abandoned junk car.

#13 hepcat

This war is a WAR OF LIES - from the Media and from the Arabs.

True, BBC and ITN have just shown almost identical news items about the 'total devastation' of Bint Jbeil, which only has a couple of helpless, abandoned old ladies in it, who had to be helped by the nice kind journalists like Orla Guerin. It was obviously a script written by Green Helmet's understudy.

ITN gave away the fact that the town is still crawling with Hezbollah men, and then Channel 4 spoiled the BBC 'Jenin effect' by pointing out that only part of Bint Jbeil has been destroyed - the suburbs are virtually untouched.

Two Lebanese army soldiers inspect a damaged vehicle that was struck by Israeli ware plane missiles an abandoned vehicle

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Not nearly as sexy.

Here is what happens when a Hellfire whacks a Toyota Land Crusier.

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

A smudge on the desert.

The Hellfire is a little missile, with a 12.5Kg (27.5lbs) warhead.

[Link: www.janes.com...]

If that car got whacked by a missile the warhead was ounces.

#16

Ah yes here it is:

The last two delivery modes are unique in that they allow the launch aircraft to remain masked behind terrain to reduce its firing signature and increase aircraft survivability. These delivery modes are known as Lock-on After Launch - High (LOAL-HI) and Lock-on After Launch -Low (LOAL-LO). The first mode, LOAL-HI, allows the missile to clear a 1,000 ft. high terrain feature to front of the aircraft, provided the aircraft remains a minimum of 1500 meters away from that terrain feature. This technique is most effective in a remote engagement. The major disadvantage of employing the LOAL-HI method, however, is that the missile flies the highest trajectory of all delivery modes and is most susceptible to a break in missile lock due to penetration of low-lying clouds. Using the last delivery mode, LOAL-LO, will help to reduce the maximum altitude of the Hellfire trajectory somewhat, but will also limit the size of the terrain mask utilized by the aircraft for survivability.

I've driven cars which looked far worse than the top photo.

The MSM will believe anything it's told, so long as the idologies match theirs. (IOW, so long as it demonstrates an anti-American/anti-freedom bias.)

Looking at the bright side, the owner had just switched over to GEICO.

Besides, he always wanted a moonroof.

At first I thought, well, maybe the car didn't take a direct hit but was just tossed by the blast.

Then I noticed - intact windshield.

It looks like it's just been stripped - the front grill is missing as is what was apparently once a sunroof.

Sold for scrap metal?

Disagree with the common wisdom here. The damage in the first photo is entirely consistant with that caused by the kinds of advanced military weaponry Israel is using.

I'm not sure the Hellfire is more powerful than a Katyusha; they mount different kind of warheads.

Anyway, the damage to that car is absolutely inconsistent with a missile explosion. And I don't think the Israelis used their concrete bombs in this case.

I think we should be careful here. If a car is in the vicinity of a strike and is damaged to the point where it is unusable, then it is fair to describe it as having been 'hit'. A hit isn't necessarily a direct hit.

Man... so why are we paying $3 million a pop for Bradley Fighting Vehicles, when for a fraction of that cost our troops could be traveling in style in Lebanese BMWs that are apparently at least as survivable?! Hell, we could spring for the multi-CD changer with those savings.

#26 bweep

Yes, there could be damage in the rear part of the vehicle caused by an israeli attack. I'd like to see it, tho.

The Lebanese "Timex Car" - Takes a Thumpin' and keeps on Humpin'!

-S-

FabioC. and bweep:

It's always good to prudent, etc.... but I have a hard time imagining shrapnel from an indirect missile hit that can a) tear a 4-foot hole in the roof but b) leave the windshield almost intact.

#25 FabioC.

And I don't think the Israelis used their concrete bombs in this case.

Looks like the new "smart cinderblocks".

does Israelis don't use sharpners in there missiles? anyways 2 strange things are...

Glass is still not broken... i think Glass should be the 1st thing to get broken due to the preassue which make to roof teared...

i remember the cheese car from some of last LGF post... so i have to say... either Israeli Missiles don't use sharpners at all ... even at the time of war.... or they were not missiles, but some fire crackers...

That's not a destroyed car. THIS is a destroyed car.

I see fewer Reuters folks are stopping by.

Does this mean their employees with a working moral compass all quit or are they all on emergency "Fauxtoshop for Dummies" courses?

Just for background:

Windshields are all made from a three-layered piece of tempered glass on the outside, and plastic on the inside. This is for safety. When they are hit, the glass shattters into a lot of pebble-sized bits, but they usually stay attached to the plastic. So the whole thing just loses its rigidity, but stays in one piece, as we are seeing.

A bomb, OTOH, will shred the plastic in the middle, and leave nothing visible. And intact windshield is virtual proof that there was no explosion.

I think this might be legit.

The IAF often removes the warhead of their missiles to reduce civilian casualties. They rely on the kinetic energy and the residual propellant to kill the target.

This is similar to the concrete JDAM bombs the US Air force uses to take out armored vehicles in heavily populated areas.

While we're on the subject of explosive damage, some prune called Micheal O'Leary on the left wing Channel 4 News just argued that we shouldn't ban hair gel and liquids on aeroplanes unless we're also going to ban them on the London underground! Another journalist giving us the benefit of his 'expert' opinion. Dipstick!

Meanwhile, this will cheer you up.

Former Metropolitan Police commissioner John Stevens said yesterday that security checks should focus on young South Asian men, who most closely fit the profile of suicide bombers.

Sir John told The Daily Mail newspaper: "I'm a white, 62-year-old, 6ft 4in, suit-wearing ex-cop - do I really fit the profile of a suicide bomber?

"Does the young mum with three tots? The gay couple, the rugby team, the middle-aged businessman? No, but they are all devouring huge resources for no logistical reason whatsoever."

Lebanon (PNB) Lebanese rednecks examine a car hit by an Israeli missile in the parking lot of the local High School.

I commented on 1st pic a few days ago. Using IrfanView with gamma at 1.5, contrast at -50, it can be clearly seen that the roof opening was CUT OUT. The edges are clearly serrated (ie, cut incrementally), and deliberately bent downward and inward.

i think this was a Jew... who opened the top of a lebeanese car to get a bit of cold air in burning summer... and this lebeniese tried to get money as compensation by declaring it a Missile attack,...

damm jews... when they will change?

Hey Ahmed... leave your Car.... i need to go around, don't worry its raining....

That looks like a Peugeot wagon. I wonder if it's a refugee from the "youts", beat up in Paris, and then transported to Lebanon to be used as a prop?

Kind of reminds me of the ambulance that was supposedly targetted by the Israelis...looks like a giant hole puncher hit it...

#30 Occasional Reader
We've got people on this list who will give you an expert opinion, but a lot of modern weapons rely on blast rather than shrapnel. The damage there could have been caused by any kind of flying debris.

Channel 4 have decided that Israel have been utterly defeated and have failed miserably.

OT : Sharon's condition deteriorating.

#44 WriterMom

That's fiberglass. That looks like somebody took a pickax to it. Nothing that would be dropped from a plane or copter could have done that. If it was explosive, there's be nothing left. That's a three-alarm self-inflicted fake if I ever saw one.

And notice how perfectly the big hole is centered in the cross.

#41 abolitionist:

The edges are clearly serrated

No vehicle can survive the Double-Secret Zionist Sawzall Bomb! Bwaaa-hahahaha!

#47 Occasional Reader

No vehicle can survive the Double-Secret Zionist Sawzall Bomb!

Any relation to the Quella sawzall sex toy?

It's true that the IAF uses special missiles in Gaza when attacking terrorists cars to minimize civillian casualties. These missiles contain little or no explosives. However there is no reason that they would be used in Lebanon.
I'd say it's too early to say if we won or lost the war. If the Lebanese army deploys in the South we'll be in good shape. There's also a lot of Lebanese who are seriously pissed off at Hizbollah right about now.

ummm.. if you take the photo in Microsoft Photo Editor and lighten it up a tad, adjust the gamma a nidge, and you will see that the car's sun roof is the object on the lower left.

If I were those people looking at that car? I'd be R E A L careful about opening any door on it..

It's almost as though somebody left it there in case..

(Zar sences a disturbance in the force and turns quickly, striding off.. )

Mahmoud is an ordinary terrorist. So when his car was blown up, we hired two celebrities to help him tell his story...

Mahmoud is an ordinary terrorist. So when his car was blown up, we hired a celebrity to help him tell his story...

#48 E2M:

Any relation to the Quella sawzall sex toy?

Egads. No. Remind me not to invite Quella to any, er, "special" parties.

Must be one of those "virtually indestructible, 100mpg" cars that we're told would be built if the oil companies weren't sittin' on the patents.

So? The war's over. What do you guys feel like doing now?

re #41 (me)
Related to 1st pic,
How the Jaws of Life Work
To extricate accident victims, firefighters may make a relief cut to open up the vehicle's roof.

Those tricky Israelis --- the used their new SCHMUCK missile on the car in the top photo. SCHMUCK is a precision guided weapon with a new sunroof detector guidance system that carries 50 pounds of a new explosive based on energized matzos and fallafel. The new explosive was developed in conjunction with the Israeli recycling industry and that is capable of destroying a steel car without breaking the glass, a boon to the recyclers since they can resell the windshields intact.

#57 JohnSteele

I hope I can safely assume the SCHMUCK misile is circumsized?

I'm sure the folks at NASCAR would love to get in touch with those car makers.....

#56 Abolitionist

To extricate accident victims, firefighters may make a relief cut to open up the vehicle's roof.

Now your talking my line of work. Just like opening a can of sardines. 0-:

#59 writermom
Of course, although it is available in an uncircumcised version for secular armies.

Looks like the car was just dumped in the ditch. Notice the dry, thin vegetation in the foreground, the healthy, untouched green tree to the left of the car, and the perfectly paved, clean roadway.

Even if the windshield were not intact, and even if the roof appeared to be 'exploded' rather than 'can opened', there is no evidence in the vicinity (no debris or damage to fragile vegetation) that the car was damaged by explosive or even kinetic weapons - at least not in its pictured location.

Exploded vehicles don't exhibit holes that large on a flat surface while leaving the rest of the surface in the rear intact - certainly not with such a regular dividing line between hole and intact roof.

Option 1: Car damaged in pictured location by Israeli missiles - Highly unlikely.

Option 2: Car is an abandoned weapon platform. Hole was cut in roof to provide firing position for handheld weapon (RPG, TOW, or other) - Highly likely.

Any "award winning" al-AP or al-Reuters photograper neds to be watchd very closely.