Sick sick sick

Once again, with emphasis:

Collateral Damage: The Associated Press Defends "Green Helmet"

"rescue" worker. Spit.

Then can we stop calling him a "rescue worker" and start calling him a propagandist? I mean, there are dead bodies in Israel too; victims of Green Helmet's Hizballah. But the Israelis don't parade their dead around to score cheap media points. They have more respect. They are not animals. Besides, there would be no press around to cover it, anyways. A dead Jew is not news to most press agencies (or perhaps it's good news to them, but good news never sold papers).

I doubt even that will change my idiot friends' (the moonbats) minds.

The Propaganda IS 24/7/365!

When caught with your hand in the cookie jar....

Say "my cookies".

So now that he's confessing, could we please find out if he told Kathy Gannon that his name was Abu Shadi Jradi?

And why Al Jazeera called him Abel Qader?

The AP’s bureau chief in Iran, Kathy Gannon

That's all you need to know folks. Gannon is whoring herself out here to keep AP's “access” in Tehran and Hezbollah controlled Lebanon. If she blows the whistle on Green Helmet Guy, AP could lose their vaunted Tehran bureau, or Gannon could get an RPG through her window.

She's compromised, people. Just like CNN.

Will sicko Daher talk about the handicapped children he had trucked in from Beirut to be used as politically advantageous shahids?

One Web site posted video purporting to show Daher arranging to have the body of a child taken off an ambulance and displayed for photographers.

One web site?

That video's all over the internet by now, Ms. Gannon.

Keep on spinning...

Propaganda like this does nothing to make me feel sympathetic toward the "hizbollah cause".In fact,it has the exact opposite effect.I have no sympathy whatsoever,for either hizbollah nor the dead Green Helmet and other clowns like him pose or parade around.If the terrorist fighters of hizbollah actually had the balls to fight the Israeli's head to head rather than hiding like the cowards they are among their own civilian population,then the number of civilian deaths would be far,far less.Behavior such as Green Helmet's only makes my desire to see hizbollah utterly crushed that much greater.

I actually believe "GHG" is to a degree truthful on this one. What it shows is that as compared to the West - the dar-al-islam is BIZZARRO WORLD

-S-

Sounds like the liberals. "It's for the children!"

They are children,’” Daher said. “These are not fighters. They have no guns. They are children, civilians they are killing.’ ”

He said he had no regrets and he made no apologies. “I wanted people to see who was dying. They said they were killing fighters. They killed children.”

Who is to say that children under the age of 18 are not possible of being Hiz'b'allah?

Personally I don't know eitherway. But this isn't a Western organized Armed Forces here. There is no age minimum that I'm aware of.

How many photos of young (10 years old, etc) boys (& girls) with weapons & being trained have we seen here at LGF & elsewhere?

IIRC even Hiz'b'allah themselves admitted to having young boys & girls within their ranks. (if I could get a link to that to prove my point it would be helpful LGF'rs).

So the essence of this guys statements is false. CHILDREN COULD BE FIGHTERS EVEN IF THEY ARE CHILDREN. Hiz'b'allah doesn't wear uniforms & they use children as "fighters", and human shields.

Now, OBVIOUSLY the "infants" (presuming that means between 0 & 6 years old) are not "fighters" and are innocent civilians.
-However that is not to say that they couldn't have been used as human sheilds by Hiz'b'allah.

By the way, that video isn't something "one web site... purported to show..."

It was aired by a German television network, and if you dispute its authenticity, Ms. Gannon, you should challenge Nordeutscher Rundfunk on it.

The AP’s bureau chief in Iran, Kathy Gannon

Now I understand. No one more qualified to cover Hizballah in a balanced way...

Yeah Green Helmet Guy, and your heroes are killing children too.

ON F*CKING PURPOSE!

I hope to piss on your grave one day, Green Helmet Guy.

Abdel Qader, PIMF.

Well if you fought like men instead of hiding behind burkas and cribs then you may have something to talk about.Until then you are the one responsible for the deaths of innocents asshat.

CAIR (Ibraham sp?) is on CNN now.

His points:

Asian, Arab, Indonesian men were responsible for terrorism? How are we going to differentiate? Pull over anyone dark?

Suspicious behaviour needs to be profiled but not dark skin.

Sikh man stabbed because people thought he was Islam. Brings out the worst in America. Can't look at only race or religion.

Sorry for the partial sentences. I was trying to transcribe as best I could.

CAIR and CNN. I need a shower.

Canadian Infidel

Someone will come up with a Green Helmet halloween costume.

The guy makes me wanna ralph.

I suppose he forgot to mention that his heroic buddies were launching rockets right next to those children. Now there's a guy to make accusations of inhuman behavior.

Hizballah is essentially the government of Southern Lebanon, and it is they who are responsible for evacuating their civilians from harm's way.

Especially when Israel has given them plenty of warning by dropping leaflets before dropping bombs.

More liberal hypocrisy, this time brought to you by the Democrat Party's Great Black Hope:

Illinois Senator Barack Obama warns citizens at his 50th Town Hall meeting about gas guzzling... He says part of the blame for the world's higher temperatures rests on gas guzzling vehicles. Obama says consumers can make the difference by switching to higher mileage hybrids.

After the meeting... Obama left in a GMC Envoy after admitting to favoring SUV's himself.

John Kerry, call your office. Someone out there is stealing your greatest moments and making them his own.

We all knew it, it's just the journalists who don't recognize propaganda. You would think that they would be more capable, since they craft enough of it themselves.

OT: Too good an opportunity to pass up, any of you photoshopping fools feel like portraying Al Qaida in drag?

Come on K, I know you want to do it.

The troops asked people inside the compound to surrender. Most did, but a suspected Al Qaeda member disguised as a woman resisted arrest and was shot dead, the statement said.

This guy should be known as the Green Ghoul

To paraphrase a recent slogan "GHG -- not civil defense, just on the other side ... "
:-0

“I did hold the baby up, but I was saying ‘look at who the Israelis are killing.

Good gravy, Green Helmet Guy, that is EXACTLY what we were accusing you of. Almost word for word.

He is so far from civilized human thought that he is probably genuinely perplexed that anyone would consider it wrong to recover a child's body and, instead of respectfully covering it and moving it to a morgue, hold it up to say, "Look, a child! Our enemies killed a child!"

And the bigs in the MSM scratch their pointy-heads wondering why they keep losing audience share and readership.

OT: Just heard two new terms, at least new to me. In connection with hidden and illegal security cameras inside department store change rooms: down blousing and up skirting.

I dunno...if I were in the middle of a war and I was the guy whose job it was to pull dead children from beneath the rubble, I'd probably be pretty disgusted and outraged. I'd probably show the dead to photographers in an attempt to share the horrors of war with the world and hope the images have some effect on stopping the madness. I suppose from someone's standpoint, I would be considered a 'propagandist'. Fine. Call me that all day. It's a lot better than pulling dead children from rubble.

One Web site posted video purporting to show Daher arranging to have the body of a child taken off an ambulance and displayed for photographers.

Bullshit, many websites and news agencies have run that footage and it does show the child taken off the ambulance and manhandled for the cameras!
Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit!

Like CNN under Saddam, AP has apparently whored themselves in exchange for access.

(With all due apologies to, you know, actual whores.)

“These are not fighters. They have no guns. They are children, civilians they are killing. Hizbollah PLACED them here! We USED THEM to make effective propaganda! I am not sorry for their deaths at Hizbollah hands... we WANT to smear the Israelis! This is a damned powerful way to do so!”

/GreenHelmet Syndrome

Someone should tell Greenie and all the lefties that, under the Geneeva Conventions, Hez is responsible for those civilian deaths.

I guess that's going to be the left-wing talking point on this one. No problem here. Desecrating the bodies of children -- hunky dory with the left.

Nice.

#33 Killgore Trout
Charles is one step ahead of you , Dumbass.

Isreali forces kill Hezbolla leader, thank you IDF!

[Link: www.localnewswatch.com...]

Hey Mr Green Helmet..guess what? The Hansen family used to live near me..Peter, Sue and baby Christine, age 2.

They died on the UAL flight that hit the South Tower in NYC on 9/11. The were on their way to Disneyland.

Your goodbuddies didn't seem to give a shit who they killed on that morning. Christine Hanson didn't deserve to die at the age of 2 either.

At least she didn't have to suffer the indignity of being paraded around by a ghoul such as yourself (not that there was anything left of her to parade)

You and your "religion" are sick, sick, sick.

CHEN:

As I see it, the MSM's job it to report the news in an unbaised way; as it actually is.

Not to propagandize for eitherside.

Once they begin to choose sides they no longer serve their purpose of providing TRUTH (not opinion) to power.

Sure Green Helmet guy has the right to hold children up, etc. But it should be seen as it is!....propaganda! And the news sources shouldn't allow themselves to be used to propagandize((....especially for the enemy.))

(don't think Hiz'b'allah is the enemy? Well they are considered so by the US gov., & they continuously chant "death to America".)

on a side note: I just heard on ABC news that "peace has broken out in the Mid East....only a couple instances of violence have occured." Um...ABC..that statement makes no sense... is it Peace or Violence?

#32 ChenZhen

if I were in the middle of a war and I was the guy whose job it was to pull dead children from beneath the rubble, I'd probably be pretty disgusted and outraged. I'd probably show the dead to photographers in an attempt to share the horrors of war with the world and hope the images have some effect on stopping the madness.

Hmmm, if I were that guy, I would be more focused on trying to rescue more survivors, and also on respecting the dead I recover and not using them as tools for my own agenda. But hey, that's me, not you.

"They said they were killing fighters. They killed children."

This goes without saying for us Lizardoids, but for anyone else who might be reading along, it's really, really simple: No, they didn't say they were killing fighters. They were attempting to kill Hezbollah fighters. If innocent people died as a result of that fighting, then Hezbollah is to blame, because they surround themselves with civilians (and God knows what else they do to beef up propaganda value). But if "killing children" is what damns a group, then Hezbollah is the worst offender, because they TRY to do that. It isn't a tragic byproduct of targeting the Israeli military, but rather is a direct result of trying to kill as many innocent civilians as possible. So, given that, then Green Helmet should be horrified and morally repulsed by Hezbollah, most of all.

But of course, he isn't. And that's because, as we all know, he's an anti-Israel propagandist (operating in concert with AP & Reuters) who couldn't care less about the dead. To him, they're nothing but stage props.

#26- Thanos: Now you've gone too far, THANK YOU very much! Up in an hour!

K

37 Charles

You responding to 32 (ChenZhen)?

also,

anyone know why it could be that none of the videos posted on LGF show up on my comp?

OT:

When does the bathing suite part start on this Miss Teen USA pageant?

/wishing I was 17 again...

Flashback to 2003:

Eason Jordan of CNN writes in the New York Times:
The News We Kept To Ourselves

LGF coverage of Jordan's "mea culpa" here.

According to the Geneva Conventions and the Rules of Warfare, the Hezbo's are the war criminals when noncombatants are killed by enemy fire. It is ABSOLUTELY against intenrational law to hide behind civilian noncombatants.

That's just the beginning!

Not wearing a uniform and turning schools, ambulances, hospitals, and noncombatant civilian dwellings into armories are ALL war crimes. Therefore, Green Helmet Dude is, by several international treaties, providing evidence that the Hezbo's are war criminals!

Protocols of Dkos?....
Card-Carrying Stepford Jews for Joe!

My word, there's certainly been a load of huff and kerfluffle over whether Jews critical of Israel's response to Hezbollah are conflicted in their Jewish identity. But for Rabbi Marc Gellman, that question surely pales next to the cardinal sin of failing to support good ol' Joe.

You see, apparently Holy Joe lost not because he did anything wrong, not because he failed to represent the interests of voters in Connecticut, but because faithless Jews betrayed one of their own: (emphasis original)...

Lemme see here...Innocent martyr from their own ranks...mobs of hateful Jews calling for a political bloodletting...Now, what does that remind me of?

Oh well, at least they didn't nail Holy Joe to anything wooden....

Now, according to Gellman, these Bush-hating Jews wandering the wilderness of Connecticut have most definitely lost their vital connection to the Judean Hive Mind. Their processors are all fucked up; their information trays are JAMMED:

I think this is an attempt at humor.
Sick.

OT

Speaking of killers;

Seattle Naveed Haq pleads not guilty in shooting/killing spree.

his picture too

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

From Article 15 of the Geneva Conventions

Any Party to the conflict may, either directly or through a neutral State or some humanitarian organization, propose to the adverse Party to establish, in the regions where fighting is taking place, neutralized zones intended to shelter from the effects of war the following persons, without distinction:

(a) Wounded and sick combatants or non-combatants;

(b) Civilian persons who take no part in hostilities, and who, while they reside in the zones, perform no work of a military character.

Hizb'allah established no neutral zone. Qana and Tyre were main launching points for rockets. If there were 10,000 blind orphans in the building, Israel still did nothing wrong under the rules of war, both written and those unwritten but understood for centuries. Hizb'allah is responsible for every death in Lebanon and in Israel. Every one.

Article 1 7

The Parties to the conflict shall endeavour to conclude local agreements for the removal from besieged or encircled areas, of wounded, sick, infirm, and aged persons, children and maternity cases, and for the passage of ministers of all religions, medical personnel and medical equipment on their way to such areas.

The only party who endeavoured to remove the Lebanese children from the area to be beseiged was Israel, and that was not their responsibility. By dropping the flyers they were doing what they could to do their opponent's job for them, that of protecting Hizb'allah's families and non-combatants.

Live4Truth

Say it. That's perfect.

So what was the building that was hit in Qana? A home? Why so many disabled children in one place? Was it a home for the disabled?

This needs a close look.

Mr. Green Helmet:
What about the children at Sbarro's..eating pizza, for heaven's sake! They were directly targeted by you and your goodbuddies at Hezbollah. Guess they didn't mean anything to anybody anyways, right? Only Israeli children are expendable in your eyes,I guess.

Why don't you act like the macho men you purport to be, and stop hiding your pathetic asses behind women and children? You are usurping Allah's role to pass judgement, and I don't believe he's gonna let that slip by when your final judgement comes.

The only way that you can stand up to the Israeli Defense Forces is by spewing your vile propaganda to a clearly biased media. If you didn't have that, you all would be history by now.

They said they were killing fighters.

You mean like THESE guys, who were set up in a Christian suburb, surrounded by civilians, and dressed in civies? Like them?

I work at a veterinary hospital. The nature of the work is that sometimes pets die. When that happens, I usually ask the owner if they would like me to clip a peice of their pet's hair. Then I get out my special comb and smooth the hairs in place before the owner says their last goodbye. Sometimes I clip a nail or two if they are snaggly. I like them to look nice at the end. Afterwards, I handle them with care and prepare them for the pet crematory.

I would not treat a dog the way this man treats a child.

You've got to love the left and those who think that way...you get caught is something horrible, and you say "Well YEAH I did that, of COURSE I did! How else could I get my point across?! You guys just don't get it" and everyone else thinks that yeah, he has a point.

Barbaric.

Not a big shock that the media defends the morbid abuse of the dead that Green Helmet Man inflicts. After working in EMS for years I have seen US media pull some pretty bone headed stunts to try to get a good facial shot of patients being treated at accident scenes.
The media has a gold mine with this guy. It’s disgusting.

I'm getting from all this spin!

Hizballah's Nasrallah Insallah

This guy's a sh*thead. Gannon, too. No good.

Oops. Preview is my friend.

I'm getting DIZZY from all of this spin!

Kathy Gannon is the typification of exactly what is WRONG with journalism and the media today.... she makes it all up as the is going along and without regard to whether she is reporting accurately or not.

Way to go Kathy G. you AP whore. You are the poorest excuse for an educated woman I have seen... and you are living proof that the AP doesn't give a shit about it's reporting practices.

OT:

Is it just me or is THIS the most oxymoronic picture possible?

The video evidence is so damning, it's pathetic to watch the AP pull a Dan Rather.
 

OT: started on WW III update about half through.

32 ChenZen

I'd probably show the dead to photographers in an attempt to share the horrors of war with the world and hope the images have some effect on stopping the madness.

Really. Stopping what madness? Do you mean the Hezbollah evil madness of launching attacks from civilian neighborhoods knowing that it would result in return fire? Or the madness of Israeli self-defense, trying to prevent further attacks against their own civilian neighborhoods? Why not drag the dead child down the street to the Hezbollah media director who is standing there with a rifle, telling reporters what they can and can't film and report on. Why not admonish him for being the child's real cause of death.

If your logical thought process would lead you to do what you said, then you are an idiot, a coward, and a genuine piece of shit.

FOAD

Ack... I was so pissed I typoed and I have so much conviction and am so discusted by this woman I'll say it again (correctly this time):

Kathy Gannon is the typification of exactly what is WRONG with journalism and the media today.... she makes it all up as she is going along and without regard to whether she is reporting accurately or not.

Way to go Kathy G. you AP whore. You are the poorest excuse for an educated woman I have seen... and you are living proof that the AP doesn't give a shit about it's reporting practices.

And the beat goes on.

More in the case of the Incredibly Unbloody and Alert Wounded Man being rushed by hand to an ambulance.

Unfortunately, much damage has been done. Meanwhile, MSM has issued some insincere apologies ("We're sorry we got caught.") and moved on to other things.

We need the blogosphere to hold these lying bastards feet to the fire. We can't let this issue die; if we fail, it'll only encourage better produced and more sophisticated propaganda---the Islamofascist learn from their mistakes too.

Junior

It is. What is that thingamagetup that blue helmet is sitting on anyway?

Does anyone really believe that there is ammunition in the general vicinity of that mock-up gun?

OT:

Double honor killing in Gaza.

65 Junior

MSNBC is full of humour tonight.

NBC NEWS HIGHLIGHTS
London’s Muslim youth hear many voices

I have a t-shirt that says: 'Even if the voices aren't real, they have some pretty good ideas!'

That doesn't apply to muslims.

Canadian Infidel

#57 mama winger
Bless you.

Bungahwanna is going to hate this.
The Enlightenment added secular barriers between religion and policy, didn't, ah, this...

Values, however, are not free-standing; they are deeply rooted in a vision of society. Whether we like it or not, characteristic British values arise out of the Christian faith and its vision of personal and common good. These were clarified by the Enlightenment and became the bed-rock of our modern political arrangements. The Enlightenment, however, by consigning Christianity to the private sphere, also removed the basis and justification for these values in the public sphere.

It is this basis and justification that needs to be recovered if our values are to be secure, and if they are to help inculcate the virtues of generosity, loyalty, moderation and love that lead to personal fulfilment and social wellbeing.

The Enlightenment didn't proscribe reference to religion, but it did reject sole reference to religion as the highest authority without appeal, amendment, consent of the governed, or innovation.

Quoting the bible to convince people of the rightness of something is acceptable, but quoting the bible as all controlling legal authority isn't.

I can't believe I am the first person to say this...
They admit the pictures are FAKE BUT ACCURATE!

#45 WrathofG-d 8/15/2006 06:05PM PDT

37 Charles

You responding to 32 (ChenZhen)?

I assume he was referring to me. Look, I've never been in a war, and I've never had to pull dead children from rubble, so I can't say with 100% certainty what the hell I'd do in that situation. I can tell you that I probably wouldn't be looking forward to the next time I would have to pull dead children out of a bombed out building, however.

No talking points here, just my opinion. I read the article, and Mr Green Helmet pretty much said what I thought he'd say, that's all.

Good thing no rockets were being launched at Israeli civilians and children.

#76 Beagle
I got stuck on the by-line....

By Michael Nazir-Ali, Bishop of Rochester

Canterbury candidate - Michael Nazir-Ali
Interesting.

78: chen

I actually now think he was responding to the answer by the author.

However, I don't know.

but you've been heard.

OT-
Just heard on the radio news that absolutely no countries have committed peacekeeping forces yet. Great! This is all just a breather so that Hezzies can get resupplied with more missiles. This is a joke.

Then of course Drudge has an article that says the Israeli military was suffering from shortages due to underfunding.

[Link: www.ynetnews.......]

ChenZhen

hope the images have some effect on stopping the madness

Susan Powter(witz) approach to armed conflict? You care and feel so much. It's your truth, and your reality. Peace out.

#70 Silouette

Maybe he's not wounded..he's just the ass-boy for the evening and is a virgin! He's just a little bit scared..Quick Ahmed, get the olive oil!

Dr. Sanity has Hezbollah on the couch today...
EVERYDAY DELUSIONS OF A SHAME CULTURE

For anyone who desires real peace in the middle east, it must be extremely disheartening to see thugs like Ahmadinejad, Nasrallah and Assad assert that they have achieved a great victory over Israel with regard to the current UN-brokered ceasefire. On TV, the scene abruptly shifts to the explosion of joyous fireworks over Beirut that proclaim an historic victory for Islam as women and children dance in the streets; when days before we were shown by the same media the pathos of dead children's bodies pulled from wrecked buildings; and the suffering of horribly victimized Lebanese, defeated and dispirited by the vicious bombs of the Israelis.

Let us put aside for the moment a discussion of whether the claims of victory have merit, since I believe it is far too early to be able to assess what may yet happen in Lebanon and how the situation will unfold. The ultimate victor and loser remains to be seen and a case could be made at this moment for either outcome.

Instead, let us consider how a shame culture--like the Islamic states and terror groups involved in this conflict--deal with success and failure.

For a typical shame culture the most important issue--indeed the issue that trumps truth or reality every time--is what people believe.

What others believe to be true has a far more powerful impact on behavior than what any particular individual believes; since the desire to preserve honor and avoid shame to the exclusion of all else, is one of the primary foundations of the culture. This need to avoid shame motivates the individuals in the culture to engage in wrong-doing as long as no-one knows about it, or knows he is involved.

It also motivates them to do whatever is necessary to give the impression that honor has been preserved.

As long as others in the culture believe that honor has been preserved, then neither the individual or the group have to experience either guilt or shame. It is not surprising therefore, that a great deal of effort and planning goes into making sure that others are convinced of your innocence (even if you are guilty); your victimization (even if you are the oppressor); and your victory (even if you are the loser).

Since shame cultures work best within a collectivist/totalitarian framework, it is often fairly easy to manipulate appearances in order to avoid shame and claim honor has been preserved. When you control the media and/or the social structure; have unlimited money and sophisticated tools for the development and dissemination of propaganda, then it is even easier.

It is an absolute cake-walk if you also happen to have a bunch of useful idiots managing the media of the enemy you hope to shame and give the appearance of defeating.

Remember, in this kind of culture, nothing is more important than making sure you do not experience feelings of humiliation and shame.

We see hints of the profound reservoir of shame that already exists within the culture in Nasrallah's references to humiliating defeats in both the near and distant past of Islam's history; and his insistence that this time, they have achieved an "historic victory". It is this reservoir that is the psychological motivation that drives the continual denial, delusion, paranoia and projection of the culture, and which keep it mired in a medieval time-warp.

test

Dr. Sanity, cont'd:

In a true shame culture, the goal is not necessarily to win a war, particularly since maintaining conflict with the traditional enemy--i.e., the "Jew"--is part of what is perceived as an "honorable" way of life, and should never really end. The primary goal of Hezbollah (and Hamas)is very simple: to impose shame on Israel.

As long as they do that, then they have "won" by their standards. Faking photographs to demostrate the evil of their enemy; hiding among women and children to force the enemy to kill those same women and children; transforming every loss of personnel into a condemnation of Israel for attacking "innocents"--all these tactics serve the purpose of shaming the enemy and inducing guilt.

Thus, by these standards, the new barbarians of the Islamic world, know they cannot lose in any conflict with the west--no matter what the reality is.

By these standards, all that is required for them to proclaim victory is to avoid shame and make their enemy feel it instead.

By these standards, they will ALWAYS--always-- be psychologically empowered, encouraged; and reinforced in their delusions of grandeur--not to mention in their violent, aggressive and barbaric behavior-- by any compassionate or concerned humanitarianism on the part of their despised enemies; by any cessation of conflict before they are utterly and complete defeated; or by any attempts on the part of the west to negotiate a real and lasting peace.

Such are the everyday delusions of a shame culture.

Let's just call him Maggot Man...

OT: Maybe this is old news but I couldn't find it anywhere: charges dropped on the cell phone purchasers! Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[Link: news.cincypost.com...]

#78 ChenZhen
You're going to get pounded. Don't worry, it happens.
Imagine the rescue operation at the world trade center involved dragging bodies out of ambulances and body bags and waved aroung for the cameras. Really, watch that video and imagine that was an American. Would you feel differently?

73 Sharia!

#87 Kenneth

That article makes a lot of sense. The muslim culture has parallels with the gang culture, it seems to me. Entirely too much emphasis on macho fear of 'dis-respect'.

Ah, youth.

Girls hand flowers to young Israeli soldiers.

The boy’s A blue pacifier was pinned to his nightshirt

before the pictures were taken.

Thorne Anderson, a well a respected freelance photojournalist who seems to take a lot of pictures from the insugent's perspective, had this to say about the Qanan corpse displays:

Much of the debate about "staging" in Qana can be deflated a good deal by an appreciation of cultural differences. Among many Middle Eastern Muslims the display of the dead is very much a ritual part of dealing with death. Palestinian funeral parades, with or without media present, are a demonstration of this. While the display of the dead may appear callous and disrespectful to many western eyes, - it is likely interpreted as a form of honor among those who actually display the dead- an attempt to give meaning to something senseless.

Photographing the display is not necessarily deceiptful, but rather an honest record of the extraordinary ways people react in these terrible circumstances. And a rescueworker displaying a body does not a Media Mogul the rescue worker make. He/She is still a rescue worker. Though the caption for pictures from that portion of the event should read "Rescue workers display the body of..." rather than "Rescue workers remove the body of..."

Furthermore, the sporadic display of bodies at a scene like that shouldn't allow us to dismiss the event as merely a salvo in the "media war" being waged by "Hizbollah and their jihadi friends" in the "mainstream apologist media." And none of this changes the essential, and most important fact that a group of photographers put themselves at great risk to show the result of an Israeli air strike on an apartment building that left 28 people - among them 16 children - dead.

I took a gut wrenching tour of LGF [Little Green Footballs] and a couple of other blogs that are super-hyping the "staging" issue to an audience of hundreds of thousands in what is a transparent and in some cases explicit attempt to deny the simple fact that an Israeli airstrike killed 16 children in Qana. That assault on the essential truth is a far more reprehensible act of overt media warfare (if there is such a thing) than any angry display of a dead body in the immediate aftermath of an airstrike. Reminds me of those who deny the Holocaust for political purposes.

[Link: www.lightstalkers.org...]
Scroll down about 1/4 of the way.

He likes to rescue Dead People.

78 chenzhen- "I can tell you that I probably wouldn't be looking forward to the next time I would have to pull dead children out of a bombed out building, however."

then don't set up your rocket launchers next to an apartment building full of the families of men too afraid to come out from behind the skirts of their women and children. And am I missing your expressions of outrage for the dead Israeli children, who were truely just going about their lives when they were killed either by rockets sent directly into civilian communities or sitting at the local pizza place?

#96 Amalie

But are they grateful?

He likes to rescue Dead People.

A necro-retriever of sorts.

#91, amyc

♪♫ How do you solve a problem like sharia? ♫♪

#98 Earth2moonbat 8/15/2006 06:52PM PDT

#96 Amalie

But are they grateful?

I imagine they wish Green Helmet Guy would quit slobbering over them.

# 82...Stuck in Ca....

Just heard on the radio news that absolutely no countries have committed peacekeeping forces yet. Great! This is all just a breather so that Hezzies can get resupplied with more missiles. This is a joke.

The Israelis could always volunteer!

100 Dar

LOL....

LOL...

Cool!

The next leaflets that Israel needs to drop are the ones that state categorically that if they are attacked again by Hizballa, all Lebanese should leave their homes immediately.

And it should further state that Israel refutes the EU concept of proportional war, and that all occupiable structures and all critical infrastructure of Lebanon will be destroyed.

And further state that Syria and Iran are hereby put on notice that they are on the brink of there own destruction, should they not stand down from their aggressive attempts to encourage the annihilation of a legitimate nation.

And those notes should be co-signed by every other true democracy on earth, starting with our own.

This is no longer a diplomatic situation. We are facing the 5th anniversary of the worst act of war ever committed on American property, and we know without a doubt that Islamic terrorists want to uncork a successful holocaust again upon our land, and do not even try to hide the fact that they intend to kill every single Jew.

What exactly is it we need to understand this situation? What the hell are we waiting for? A neutron bomb in Washington?

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95 Ringo the Gringo

We've all seen the Palis parade around dead people and even body parts from dead people. So its not just the photography. Rather its the combination of the photography and the captions and/or stories that accompanied the photographs.

The combined efforts of the "rescue workers" the photographers, the field reporters, and their editors resulted in a propaganda campaign, pure and simple. It was coverage meant to advocate more than report.

And since everyone knew it would be pointless trying to pressure the insane murderers from Hezbollah to stop trying to kill civilians, they all figured it made more sense to rail against Israel to get her to stop.

The day in day out slant in the war coverage made me sick to my stomach. And in the end, it will only result in more deaths after hezbollah regroups and attacks again in a couple years or sooner.

#95
F$$K this Multi cult crap:

Much of the debate about "staging" in Qana can be deflated a good deal by an appreciation of cultural differences.

Yea suck my penis Sir. Islam KILLS asshat.

#95 Ringo

I'd like to tell Thorne that I find it outrageous that I am always being asked to understand different cultural norms, but they never seemt o be sat down and told to cool their ghoulish displays because they need to appreciate MY cultural difference. I don't want to see bodies or body parts swarmed over and held overhead like trophies. For once, let them make a change to accomodate our sensibilities.

Secondly, again and again people have tried to "explain" their point of view, in hopes that when I understand what they were really doing, I won't be so disapproving.

They were only "trying to give meaning to something senseless." Well guess what? I already understood that. They are trying to give meaning, i.e., get mileage out of, a dead body. I understand they like to display the dead and what they were doing and am still horrified. And so should be any decent human being, "cultural differences" bedamned.

Not all aspects of all cultures are equal or worth defending or keeping.

#90 Killgore Trout 8/15/2006 06:45PM PDT

#78 ChenZhen
You're going to get pounded. Don't worry, it happens.
Imagine the rescue operation at the world trade center involved dragging bodies out of ambulances and body bags and waved aroung for the cameras. Really, watch that video and imagine that was an American. Would you feel differently?

Yea, I know it happens, I'm sorry if I can't respond to everyone. I suppose I see your guys' point of view. I guess I'm talking about this one guy here, and not the media's role in the whole thing. After hearing his side of the story, I don't believe he planned on doing it that morning or something. It was a chaotic situation. Hindsight being 20/20, the correct thing to do would be to respect the families and the bodies, yes. I'm just not ready to condemn a 1st responder who displayed questionable conduct in an undoubtedly emotional, horrific situation. I don't know him, I wasn't there, I've never been there.

#95, Ringo, quoting photojournalist Thorne Anderson

I took a gut wrenching tour of LGF [Little Green Footballs] and a couple of other blogs that are super-hyping the "staging" issue to an audience of hundreds of thousands in what is a transparent and in some cases explicit attempt to deny the simple fact that an Israeli airstrike killed 16 children in Qana. That assault on the essential truth is a far more reprehensible act of overt media warfare (if there is such a thing) than any angry display of a dead body in the immediate aftermath of an airstrike. Reminds me of those who deny the Holocaust for political purposes.

You mean like Iran's thug leader for example?

If Mr. Anderson happened to ask one of his jihadi subjects, he'd probably hear the usual Islamist response, that well, "of course the Holocaust never really happened," but it's "too bad Hitler didn't finish the job".

All this does is remind me that the greatest failing of the Bush Administration is that it has failed to explain itself at the most critical junctures.

That is, it has failed ---miserably--- to propagandize the world as to its purposes.

Nixon said never complain, never explain, but I have come to believe that that is wrong. You have to complain (i.e., make the criticisms that, in Leftist parlance, "heighten the contradictions") and you have to explain why it is that we do what we do. Americans are so used to believing ---because it is mostly true--- that our system of representative government, free markets, and civil and human rights are superior to other systems that we have lost the ability to make the case. We can't see outside of ourselves to do it. That's why it's always such a pleasure ---and a shock--- when thinkers from other countries stand up for us in our fight against the totalitarians: they see what we're doing. But we don't think we have to sell ourselves to Mo and Fatima? Bullshit! We've got to sell it!

These people in the Arab and Muslim world will read us loud and clear when we use both our bombs and our bully pulpit.

Yes, Virginia, it's an LGF thread with only 10 comments.

#109 ChenZhen
I was very skeptical of the lgf take on Green Helmet and Qana until I saw the video. I think it's pretty clear what his intentions are. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

#82 #102

Germany has committed their navy.

#113, Killgore Trout

I was reserving judgment as well, up until the NDR video showed up...

Thanos

That article says that Germany may commit their navy, not that they have. Do you have a more affirmative source?

And color me surprised.

#109

I think GHG did the very same thing on camera 10 years ago !

OT
I think many people are missing the point about the cease-fire...

15,000 Syrian troops on the border, not a UN peacekeeper in site. Hezbollah is rearming. Syria signed a mutual defense pact with Iran last month. Wait for a faux Israeli attack in which syrians are killed, or an attack on Hezzies with collateral syrian deaths. Then Iran and Syria can "rightfully" and openly declare war on Israel. Maybe Iran plans to 'soften up' Israeli defenses on 8/22. For a Syrian led invasion. I wonder if Egypt and Jordan will join in on the fun?

As for this poltroon bitch defending GHG, go to hell. You'll find yourself up against the wall soon enough, and don't look to your Iranians "friends" to help.

All my sympathy for whining minority groups is officially spent. My apologies for the obsceneties.

/FT

Saw somewhere that Kathy Gannon is married to a Pakistani man, Naeem Pasha. Think this may have something to do with her spin?

109 ChenZen

I don't believe he planned on doing it that morning or something.

I do. In case you didn't know, Green Helmet guy pulled the same crap 10 years ago during the last Israel-Lebanon fighting. Same guy. Same green helmet. Same body desecration.

His sickening behavior was by no means not unplanned. Nearly every Western reporter who has been in and around Beirut for the past month has mentioned that their coverage was being monitored/censored by hezbollah gunmen.

Green helmet guy is Hezbollah or he wouldn't even be there doing what he's doing.

#120 mich-again

Same body desecration.

Body desecration? He held the bodies of dead children up to be photographed. He didn't actually do anything that would harm the dead child's body. More important, he didn't kill them.

121- Justmyview

You sure about that? They commit suicide for the cause and send their own kids out to kill themselves. They murder their own people all the time. I wouldn't put this past them.

The photo is captioned:

Head of Operations for the Lebanese Civil Defense in Tyre, Salam Daher, 39,...

I contend it would be impossible for him to have achieved this position without being a member of hizb'allah. Tyre is a hizb'allah city, and he is head of its civil defense. According to AP he's just a poor civil servant. right.

# 121 JustMyView ...

Just my association but you bring to mind the line from a Salt & Peppa song, "Boy - get off my bra strap"

#122 Stuck in Ca

Warning warning: your in for a pestathon (and your ideas are too valuable to waste).

#110 Dar ul Harb: Or the author of that crap himself, in DENYING Hizb'ollah's responsibility (or blame, if you wish) in positioning the children there, where Israeli bombs could inadvertently kill them for the Hizbollah's propaganda needs;

or the author's denial of the explicit propaganda value of THESE Muslim deaths in contrast to the 'cultural' realities espoused when it was Uday and Qusay's meatbags on ignominious display!

Get him, Dar! NO MERCY for Hizb'ollah dogs!

#124 Daisy

Just my association but you bring to mind the line from a Salt & Peppa song, "Boy - get off my bra strap"

I'm not sure I see the relevance of that line to this conversation, but I'm sure you'll explain.

#121,

He didn't actually do anything that would harm the dead child's body.

Oh, well that's all right then. Carry on.

More important, he didn't kill them.

It was Israel's fault, after all, for making Hizballah have to hide out among civilians. Why, if Israel didn't exist, Hizballah would have no reason to launch rockets at anyone... right?

#121- My View:

"More important, he didn't kill them."

That's what HE wants us to believe, implying that the Hizbollah who trucked in crippled children to place in active combat zones, were blameless!

He and his apologists want the world to find Hizbollah blameless even after placing large-bore guns atop the house, to DRAW Israeli fire!

Saying "Israelis killed the children" is quite like saying "He didn't die from my stab wound, he died from loss of blood!" (which was the EFFECT of MY STAB WOUND)

Thanks for bringing these Hizb' lies to our attention, Just My View!

Necrophilia: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The religion of Death strikes again. Hard as it is to stomach, we need to take them at their word: "Muslims love death like Jews love life."

#127 Just my view

"I'm not sure I see the relevance of that line to this conversation, but I'm sure you'll explain."

We are not having a conversation. Now, get off my bra strap you little pest. Go away. Va-muslim.

#70 Silhouette

Can't you see he's missing a sandal!?!?!

You are such an insensitive, racist, right-wingnut, imperialist ChimpyBushHitler-supporter that you cannot see the truth of the Zionist/Amerikkkan plot to sieze control of all the world's oil and give the profits to Evil Republicans (TM)!

The Eessraeelees intentionally BOMBED this poor Palisteenian's right sandal in order to further the goals of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and allow the GREAT SATAN to colonize the lands granted by allah to the muslim people by virtue of barbaric military conquest and genocide, allah be praised.

/sarc

JustMyView

Body desecration? He held the bodies of dead children up to be photographed. He didn't actually do anything that would harm the dead child's body. More important, he didn't kill them.

Again, I find your assesment to stink of moral relativism. More important, he didn't kill them?

You know, I have taken care of fellow military. I have taken care of every type of patient you could think of when it comes to orthopaedics.

I worked in a children's hospital upon discharge, spinal fusions, quads, the most pitiful of pitiful sites you could ever think to see.

More important, are these bastards who for specific purposes, violate the Geneva convention, fire military weaponry knowing the retaliation will inflict civilian casualties, exploiting the such tragedy.

Where was the moral relativism when rwanda occurred?

Halabja, 1988?

We could go on forever. Remember us air lifting aid in Kosovo? It was meant with the best intentions.

Get real.

121 JustMyView

He held the bodies of dead children up to be photographed

Again and again. Then he took them to the "ambulance". Then he pulled them back out to parade them around again. We don't do that sort of thing in the civilized world. They may think its OK in the cesspool he lives in, but not here. That is desecration.

And no he didn't kill them. But he is working hand in hand with Hezbollah, and their actions led to the deaths at Qana.

There is an old phrase, perhaps you've heard it before .. "Your actions have consequences." These same words of wisdom apply to terrorists who use kids for human shields.

WTF is it with idiots trying to rationalize the parading around of dead children who were set up like bowling pins by Hezbollah? You and your kind are a sickening bunch. I just wonder if its just because you are ignorant, or if you really are on the other side. The one that thinks killing kids for political gain is OK.

#129 Carridine

That's what HE wants us to believe, implying that the Hizbollah who trucked in crippled children to place in active combat zones, were blameless!

What is the evidence for this statement? The children taken out of the building at Qana did not appear to me to be handicapped in any way. Do you have some credible evidence for that statement?

Somewhere in the numerous photos that have appeared in the blogosphere over the past few days, I saw some pictures of children who appeared to have cerebral palsy. I don't believe they came from Qana.

Several news reports indicated that those who died at Qana were all members of two extended families. There's been no mention of any handicapped children in those families in any publications that I've seen.

#133 & #134

You guys know what happens when hungry trolls get fed don't you? They come back for seconds and thirds ... they are insatiable.

135 JustMyView

Again you rationalize and defend the use of human shields by terrorists. Whether or not what Carrideine said about the medical condition of those children is true or not, you can not deny that Hezbollah / Assad / Ahmadinejihad purposely put those children in harms way for propaganda's sake.

Until you can explain the recurring inclination of Hizbollah to donate their own children as Human Shields, all your words are just blah, blah, blah.

#137 mich-again

"... all your words are just blah, blah, blah."

Succinct. Correct. Yes!

#126, Carridine

As Thomas Paine wrote, "facts need but little arguments when they prove themselves." The odiousness of Thorne Anderson's comparison of Qana to the Holocaust speaks for itself. I leave it to the reader to recall where we at LGF have seen such comparisons before...

JustMyView

Body desecration? He held the bodies of dead children up to be photographed. He didn't actually do anything that would harm the dead child's body. More important, he didn't kill them.

Yes, he did. You know this to be true. The dead are to be respected, handled with the utmost care. Especially the children. Especially the children.

#137 mich-again

Again you rationalize and defend the use of human shields by terrorists. Whether or not what Carrideine said about the medical condition of those children is true or not, you can not deny that Hezbollah / Assad / Ahmadinejihad purposely put those children in harms way for propaganda's sake.

I'm not defending Hezbollah. Like ChenZhen above, I'm thinking about how I might feel if I had to pull dead children out of a building that had been bombed. I think I might want to say, "Here, look what they've done. Look what happened to her."

Whether what Carridine said is true or not seems pretty important. Asserting that someone put handicapped children, on purpose, into a place where they would be bombed is a pretty serious charge. It'd be nice to have some evidence for it other than Carridine's claim.

I believe Green Helmet Guy used the children's bodies for propaganda. That they were intentionally put there so that they'd be killed has yet to be proven.

135 JustMyView

And this isn't the first time you've tried to rationalize obvious terrorist propaganda efforts. Heres another

Aside from assumptions, what evidence is there that this object was placed on the car for the benefit of photographers?

You really can't be that F-ing stupid. You're just playing dumb, trying to be devil's advocate. But I've seen your kind a hundred times around here and you are most certainly on the other team.

*spit*

#142 mich-again

But I've seen your kind a hundred times around here and you are most certainly on the other team.

I'll decide for myself what side I'm on, thanks. I believe, without any doubt, that Hezbollah provoked the recent crisis. I believe the citizens of Israel, like those of any other nation, have the right to be secure within the boundaries of their country. Whether their recent actions increase the likelihood that will happen is, I believe, still an open question. It's simply too soon to tell.

One side I am definitely not on is the side of unsubstantiated claims, of which there have been far too many in the discussions of photographs that have occurred recently.

141 JustMyView

That they were intentionally put there so that they'd be killed has yet to be proven.

HuH? No its not. The area was used as a launching area for Hezbollah rocket attacks. That Israel would strike back at that area was a given.

The kids and their families were already there. And that is precisely why Hezbollah chose that location for a Kaytusha launching pad. So Green Helmet Guy could do his "magic".

Take off your blinders and see the evil that is Hezbollah. They wanted these children to die so fools like you would criticize Israel for killing them. If nothing else, Islam is all about sacrificing lives for the good of the overall cause. Read some history.

143 JustMyView

One side I am definitely not on is the side of unsubstantiated claims, of which there have been far too many in the discussions of photographs that have occurred recently.

WTF does all that jibberish mean? I read it 5 times and it still doesn't make any sense.

You are an idiot.

Of course none of the rockets that the Hezbos were firing into Israel hit children or other non-combatants, right? How is it that there was virtually no media coverage of the death and destruction being suffered on the Israeli side of the border?

Media bias, you say? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Give that man a nickel cigar.

Why doesn't the AP just get on with the truth and add "Pimps for Hezbollah" to their logo.

I'm not criticizing Israel. I just find this whole situation sad beyond belief. Nearly a thousand people are dead in Lebanon, and many are homeless. The country is a wreck.

In Israel, many young soldiers lost their lives, and civilians died as well. There, too, many have lost their homes to the Katyushas

All for what? The situation now is not much different than before this month-long war began. Hezbollah is not disarmed, and the likelihood that any foreign force will be able to do that is very low.

Is Israel better off than if they'd negotiated a prisoner exchange after their soldiers were kidnapped? I'd like to think so, but I'm not so sure.

It's late on the East Coast, so I'm checking out.

148 JustMyView

It's late on the East Coast, so I'm checking out.

Same goes for the D. and me.

See Ya Later!

All the news that we want you to know.

/al-AP

Rayra:

the Winston Churchill of our time.

/say it baybay!

#150 rayra 8/15/2006 09:34PM PDT

ChenZhen revealed that 3 months ago, when it appeared to crow bout Bush approval ratings declinging, and when it proclaimed itself to be a Deaniac.

Wow! That's at least the second time you've linked to my previous comments about Dean. I'm honored that you even remember. Or are you just one of these guys?

#153, rayra

Did neither of you bother to read the examinations of the events at Qana, GHG's role and the manipulations of corpses. How was it even in doubt in your minds, before that video came out?

I should clarify, I was reserving judgment about the journalistic ethics of Kathy Gannon until that video came out. To be fair, Ms. Gannon's emotion-laden prose was one thing, but Mark MacKinnon's piece for the Toronto Globe and Mail was quite another, and I said as much when I first noticed it. Until Green Helmet was exposed on camera by NDR for doing things that had no other reasonable explanation other than that he was serving as a propagandist, the "cultural differences/public grieving" excuse could perhaps still cover it.

After the NDR video, it became apparent that the journalists on the scene in Qana had to know that they were being stage-managed, but, like Ms. Gannon, they were entirely too willing to play theiir part, in exchange for access.

155 rayra

Thats what I tried to say above. But you said it so much better. And with a lot fewer words.

157 ChenZen

Is that all you got? A stupid cartoon? weak.

#148

Is Israel better off than if they'd negotiated a prisoner exchange after their soldiers were kidnapped? I'd like to think so, but I'm not so sure.

You seem to think that the kidnapping was a rather small event, like a criminal act. In reality, Hezbollah fought a company sized action inside of Isreali territory. They killed 8 IDF soldiers, and made off with 2 POWs. By definition, that was an Act Of War. Since the goverment in Beruit refused to police groups within its own border, Isreal's actions were more than justified. If one considers how well armed, trained, and organized the Hezbollah forces were (15,000 foot soldiers, hundreds of thousands of rounds of munitions), it is difficult ignore the peril Isreal now finds itself.

The 2 IDF soldiers are more than likely dead. It is interesting that the UN didn't demand thier release as a precondition for the cease fire. The reason is obvious; they were probably dead within 24 hours of capture.

Daisy

I understand our situation with those who post with obvious troll tendencies, but to at least not call them out on incoherent opining is a guttural reaction to me.

If you notice, none of my post was responded to. I don't issue threats, abuse, or anything of that sort. I don't have a problem with people who do get mad enough at these trolls who do.

For them (LLL) it is always symbolism over substance.

I think rayra nailed it. It is their laziness that allows them to open their mouth, regurgitate what plays in their own mind as a sophisticated synapse, discharged through the fingertips.

They are lazy. Moreover, they are itellectually dishonest.

The AP's credibility? Shot.

#161 formercorpsman

"If you notice, none of my post was responded to. I don't issue threats, abuse, or anything of that sort."

You bet I noticed: He deliberately ignored one cogent point after another - that's his MO. As you and others have said: Moral laziness and intellectual dishonesty are the forte of the LLL.

As for me, I mainly don't go the route of threats, abuse or things of that sort either .. but this time I just had to tell the lazy little slut to get off my bra strap and stop his infernal pestering :)