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"This Administration is Clearly So Beholden to Israel"

Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 7:46:10 pm PDT

Why do I have the feeling that if I look into the background of this group, I’ll find connections to one or another trans-nationalist progressive organization? Letter From Leaders Assails Bush’s Middle East Policies. (Hat tip: Ron.)

In an effort to counter a mounting White House campaign to depict its Middle East policies as critical to the nation’s safety from terrorist attacks, 21 former generals, diplomats and national security officials will release an open letter tomorrow arguing that the administration’s “hard line” has undermined U.S. security.

The letter comes as President Bush has made a series of appearances and statements, including a visit Tuesday to the National Counterterrorism Center in McLean, Va., seeking to promote the administration’s record on security issues in advance of November’s midterm congressional elections. ...

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara in the 1960s, said the group was particularly concerned about administration policies toward Iran, believing them to be a possible prelude to a military attack on suspected nuclear sites in that country.

Gard said the letter’s signers — who will include retired Marine Corps Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, head of U.S. Central Command from 1991 to 1994, and Morton H. Halperin, a senior State Department and National Security Council official in the Clinton administration — do not believe that Iran has the wherewithal to build a nuclear weapon in the near term and will push the administration to open negotiations with Tehran on the issue.

“It’s not a crisis,” Gard said in a telephone interview. “To call the Iranian situation a ‘crisis’ connotes you have to do something right now, like bomb them.” ....

But Gard said the administration appeared to be going in the opposite direction, adding that he was particularly concerned by recent warnings from former Israeli military officials that a strike against Iran may be needed to disable that country’s nuclear program. He noted that the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli assessments.

This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said.

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1 KSK  8/15/06 5:48:17 pm reply quote 0

Canary, meet coalmine

What happens to Israel will happen to all of us... later

2 Toby Petzold  8/15/06 5:49:53 pm reply quote 0

Ahmadinejad will give these dolts their answer on 22 August.

3 Northpaw  8/15/06 5:50:03 pm reply quote 0

Yeah, if you have your head up your ass, all this makes sense.

4 Glaucon  8/15/06 5:50:08 pm reply quote 0
...will push the administration to open negotiations with Tehran on the issue.

How original.

5 Cartman  8/15/06 5:50:32 pm reply quote 0

Thank God these men are retired.

6 hrhamilton  8/15/06 5:50:47 pm reply quote 0

I am truly sorry to see American military, especially Marine Corps personnel, with their heads so far up their butt.

7 Liz Ard  8/15/06 5:50:56 pm reply quote 0

/funded by Soros

8 Promethea  8/15/06 5:50:58 pm reply quote 0

I'll bet a lot of these people are on the Saudi pension plan for "retired U.S. officials turned traitor."

9 KSK  8/15/06 5:51:10 pm reply quote 0

@4

May I suggest Munich as the venue?

10 really grumpy big dog johnson  8/15/06 5:51:56 pm reply quote 0

Does anyone actually realize how many ex-generals, former diplomats and "national security officials" (gawd, what an ambiguous term) we have?

Please bear in mind that this is the LaLa times we are talking about here. They believe that war for cause is evil, because war is evil, even to save our own lives.

Now that you have the background, read the article.

11 mama winger  8/15/06 5:52:06 pm reply quote 0

Oh Charles.

You ruined my floaty day at the shore.

12 jcm  8/15/06 5:52:21 pm reply quote 0

Let's see a western liberal democracy supports a western liberal democracy.

One that is surrounded by totalitarian Islamic Fascist to Stalinist states bent on it's annihilation.

What's so hard about that you friggin' morons...

Unless your Islamic Fascist or Stalinist yourselves...

Making you mine enemy.

13 RTLM  8/15/06 5:52:45 pm reply quote 0

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said

Or we can just wait until a nuke of some variety smokes off in NYC or Israel.

I pray we "strike" before that happens.

We cannot run away from this war and we cannot allow it to drag out 30 years.

Bush, what are you doing?

14 the thin man returns  8/15/06 5:52:56 pm reply quote 0

This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel .

I don't get it - they say it like it's a bad thing...

-- Nora

15 realwest  8/15/06 5:53:25 pm reply quote 0

#5 Cartman -Hey my friend, how are ya?
"Thank God these men are retired." At the least; I swear some if not all of them are suffering from dementia.

16 Buckaroo  8/15/06 5:53:26 pm reply quote 0

"Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara [snip] Morton H. Halperin, a senior State Department and National Security Council official in the Clinton administration"

I've seen all I need to see ..
:-)

17 THX-42  8/15/06 5:53:38 pm reply quote 0

I'd like to see a list of these "Murtha-Lites" to see which Presidents appointed them. This is clearly a DNC staged event, to go along with their Cut-N-Run Cause There Ain't No Terrorists Anyhow campaign. The entire lot of them should be rounded up and arrested (for their own protection, because when Iran starts setting off its nukes, we patriots are going to come looking for them with long ropes and short ladders).

18 hepcat  8/15/06 5:54:05 pm reply quote 0

We know what a fine job they did with Iraq in wrapping up the Gulf War in 1991, don't we.

19 geezer  8/15/06 5:54:06 pm reply quote 0

Have a 4 star-ret friend who I will contact to see what the hell is going on,

20 Promethea  8/15/06 5:54:43 pm reply quote 0

Speaking of Soros...has anyone ever investigated this guy? Surely all his untold billions can't be all clean money. Maybe the IRS should look into his various businesses and not-for-profits.

21 DesertSage  8/15/06 5:54:45 pm reply quote 0

Didn't a bunch of Generals say that Hitler wasn't a danger also?

22 mbruce  8/15/06 5:54:47 pm reply quote 0

Yup,it is awful that must take up arms to defend ourselves from an enemy that constantly announces its deisre to destroy us.Please just stay out of the way of the adults that will do the work to protect the Western Values oh so worthy of saving. Now go to your room child,we'll call you when we are done.

23 The Bruce  8/15/06 5:55:34 pm reply quote 0

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said.

-----

The thought of going to war is so abhorent to the democratic mind on a national level, that we wait to fight until it becomes an existential fight. And not before. Sad, but woefully true. We're witnessing it. Yes, it's 1939.

24 Crusader Rabbit  8/15/06 5:56:55 pm reply quote 0
the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah

Three cheers for an administration that can tell right from wrong in this case.

25 Broomer  8/15/06 5:57:12 pm reply quote 0

Didn't some other generals paid for an ad that said Israel is good for the USA? I think Atlas Shrugged posted it.

26 Thanos  8/15/06 5:58:10 pm reply quote 0

"McNamara generals" says all you need to know about these folks. Their idea of defense: genocide through Mutually Assured Destruction. (Mad)

This is how they think pre-emptive strikes should be made, through a press release.

27 KSK  8/15/06 5:58:16 pm reply quote 0

"However much we may sympathize with a small nation confronted by a big and powerful neighbor, we cannot in all circumstances undertake to involve the whole British Empire in war simply on her account. If we have to fight it must be on larger issues than that. I am myself a man of peace to the depths of my soul. Armed conflict between nations is a nightmare to me; but if I were convinced that any nation had made up its mind to dominate the world by fear of its force, I should feel that it must be resisted. Under such a domination life for people who believe in liberty would not be worth living; but war is a fearful thing, and we must be very clear, before we embark upon it, that it is really the great issues that are at stake, and that the call to risk everything in their defense, when all the consequences are weighed, is irresistible."

(Neville Chamberlain, 1939)

28 gymnast  8/15/06 5:59:27 pm reply quote 0

These former generals and others will, by evidence of their signatures, confirm the afflictions they have possesed during, or acquired after, their terms of public service. Some shitbirds are born that way, others grow feathers as they age.

29 chewydog  8/15/06 5:59:40 pm reply quote 0

Yes, you retired pricks, we have an unabashed Israeli bias. Now get back to the important stuff like watering the roses.
Sheesh

30 Stuck in california  8/15/06 5:59:48 pm reply quote 0

Did you upgrade Charles? 5000 on board now and Zappas back!

31 MandyManners  8/15/06 6:00:01 pm reply quote 0
He noted that the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli assessments.

Does Gard think the U.S. should be impartial?

32 leftout  8/15/06 6:00:10 pm reply quote 0

Why don't we write our own open letter. Any former generals here?

What kind of strategy for peace is it when you unequivocally tell the world that you won't fight to save your family, your self, or your country.

Why not write an open letter saying "we're cowards. Come and kill us and take our country. We won't offer any resistance as you slaughter us, but we will feel good about ourselves for being gentle people."

Where did all the Pattons go?

33 Dar ul Harb  8/15/06 6:01:13 pm reply quote 0

Ladies and Gentlemen, we present the Pat Buchanan wing of the Democrat party...

34 Cartman  8/15/06 6:01:18 pm reply quote 0

#15 realwest

I'm hangin' in there, bud. Hope you guys are getting settled in, slowly but surely.

BTW, my comment was in no way meant to dis' our honorable and brave military retirees. As others have pointed out, these are rogue malcontents who have signed on the "useful idiot" dotted line.

35 tronman  8/15/06 6:01:20 pm reply quote 0

You know...if we could get these idiots to Lousiana on some pretense we could have them all involuntarily commited. I am getting pretty damned sick of these peoples complete ignorance. Even a 5 yr old should be able to understand the difference between good and bad, yet these freaks of nature seem to think it's all our fault. God help us all if these simpletons get back into power...

36 ToxMan  8/15/06 6:02:17 pm reply quote 0

How about all those worried folks that we are too beholden of Israel go to the middle east to become human shields...

/wasn't that tried before?

37 formercorpsman  8/15/06 6:02:26 pm reply quote 0

It will come down to simply deciding for what is right versus what is wrong.

The thought of negotiating with a terrorist state, responsible for numerous American lives lost, ensuring regional instability,

what use it to continue writing?

I can't help but feel in my gut, the left in this country is willing to undermine anything & everything this country was founded on, just to attain their lofty goal of a socialist state.

even it means getting in to bed with Iran.

38 massachusetts republican  8/15/06 6:02:30 pm reply quote 0

..unabashedly pro-Israel(DEMOCRATIC) stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah(EVIL MOSLEM KILLERS) was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli(DEMOCRATIC) assessments.

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel(DEMOCRATIC) that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike(LIKE THE 1986 MARINES) , he said.

I hate these creatures that say they are human. I spit on them.

39 rickl  8/15/06 6:03:41 pm reply quote 0
Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara in the 1960s, said the group was particularly concerned about administration policies toward Iran, believing them to be a possible prelude to a military attack on suspected nuclear sites in that country.


NO! Get out!

40 sss111  8/15/06 6:04:24 pm reply quote 0

Some of these fuckers are Vietnam retreads. With friends like this, who needs enemies - but it's a little harder for the two million Indochinese who were murdered afterwards to understand.

Those poor souls, unlike these retired fucktards, are unavailable for comment.

41 Doss  8/15/06 6:05:29 pm reply quote 0
“It’s not a crisis,” Gard said in a telephone interview. “To call the Iranian situation a ‘crisis’ connotes you have to do something right now, like bomb them.” ....


He sounded a different tune in August of last year in a speech that's at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation website.

Hopefully, we will not have to wait for the detonation of a nuclear device on our soil to accord sufficient priority to keeping nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists intent on carrying out Al Qaeda�s threat to inflict mass casualties on Americans.


Lt. Gen Gard, here's your sign.

42 Bruce Rheinstein  8/15/06 6:05:41 pm reply quote 0

The Usual Suspects

People's Weekly World
Crowds pack Out of Iraq meetings across nation
1/12/06

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Five hundred people turned out to hear antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, actor Sean Penn and other speakers at the Out of Iraq Town Hall Forum here Jan. 7, one of over 130 similar meetings held nationwide in partnership with AfterDowningStreet.org.
...
Among other town hall meetings:
...
Northbrook, Ill.: Another overflow crowd gathered at the Northbrook Library, without Chicago-area 10th District Congressman Mark Kirk, a Republican, who refused to attend. Speaking were Ron Miller, chair of Lake Forest College’s religion department; David Cortright of Notre Dame University’s Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies; and retired General Robert Gard.

43 tronman  8/15/06 6:06:15 pm reply quote 0
retired fucktards

MWahahahahahah...most apt description I've heard yet...

44 6patrick6  8/15/06 6:06:23 pm reply quote 0
Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara

This stupid bastard did more to ruin American prestige and demoralize the military in the entire post-WWII era than any man since, including our previous President.

Notice these retired officers are all the resident "experts" on any given "news" show to talk about the situation and blab to the friggin' enemy what the possible strategem may be for that particular moment, all the while the damn enemy has their satellite TV tuned to that particular channel. None, you'll notice, are retired enlisted people. That proves that the average enlisted man is considerably smarter than your average officer and has the common sense to not say anything to anyone about tactics, movements, etc. Typical officer mentality - talk to hear themselves talk! Hey, retired officer knucklehead - STFU already!

45 realwest  8/15/06 6:07:03 pm reply quote 0

#34 Cartman - "BTW, my comment was in no way meant to dis' our honorable and brave military retirees." Oh Hell, I knew that! And so does everyone who ever reads your posts out here. I was just saying that McNamara's and even Clinton's folks are waaaay beyond their sale date! LOL!

46 rayra  8/15/06 6:07:08 pm reply quote 0

Any of them NOT a Treasoncrat or anti-semite Buchananite POS?

47 Thanos  8/15/06 6:07:58 pm reply quote 0

*snip* *snatch*

Thanks kindly for that quote KSK, very fitting.

48 Aviator  8/15/06 6:08:10 pm reply quote 0

Here is some information on one of them and his connection to an anti-war organization.

[Link: vvaf.org...]

49 LSD  8/15/06 6:10:27 pm reply quote 0

I understand this retiree's concerns. The only alternative solution given by men like Gard is to do exactly nothing, and give Iran a nuclear weapon.

This is not acceptable.

Period.

50 6patrick6  8/15/06 6:10:49 pm reply quote 0

Adding to my #44...

Oh, and retired officers, remember, your oath you took to protect the Constution and defend the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, STILL APPLIES IN YOUR RETIREMENT!
Once again, if you feel the urge to open your mouth for cash from some TV station/network, pleeeease just STFU, OK?

51 leftout  8/15/06 6:12:32 pm reply quote 0
David Cortright of Notre Dame University’s Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies


I love peace as much as any of these hottentots, but isn't it obvious to anyone beyond the age of thirteen or fourteen that you can't make or have peace with people or nations who are not interested in peace.

These people endanger us all and make peace
less, not more, likely.

52 Thanos  8/15/06 6:12:51 pm reply quote 0

#41 Nice find there.

oh lalala whichever way the wind will blow me.. oh lalala

These fools forget the blogmind knows all. :)

53 Yosemite Bill  8/15/06 6:14:43 pm reply quote 0

#40 - sss111
Exactly ! - Mc Namara should have been rotting in prison for decades now - but hey -- you know he meant well.......
1.8 - 2.5 MILLION souls paid with their lives because IDIOTS like him, Kerry, Kennedy, Fonda got their way and yet in some twisted universe these people are still out in public speaking as if they had any credibilty . And of course the media - Leftists to the core- eat it up .

54 jimmy the infidel  8/15/06 6:15:36 pm reply quote 0

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel"

As opposed to what, being so clearly beholden to terrorists? Drooling senile asshat--yeah, let's just stick our collective dhimmified heads in the sand, and just ignore Iran. Maybe they'll just forget all about them ol' nukes and those pesky lil' hezzbollah they support.

55 realwest  8/15/06 6:15:44 pm reply quote 0

#46 rayra - HI guy! "Any of them NOT a Treasoncrat or anti-semite Buchananite POS?"
None that I can see!
Hope you're doing well.

And on that note, I gotta go get some zzzz's (can't wait until we're all unpacked and I can spend more time on LGF!).

Goodnight, Everyone.

56 KSK  8/15/06 6:16:34 pm reply quote 0

#47 welcome

I don't know if history repeats itself but stupidity certainly is recurrent.

57 kawfytawk  8/15/06 6:17:09 pm reply quote 0

Generally, no pun intended, once you are that high in rank....you are no longer part of the "real" military and have become more of a politician.

It use to be that the "real" military...retired or not...kept their mouths shut about the current CinC...whether they agreed or disagreed. As a matter of respect.

When they implemented the kinder, gentler military my hubby knew it was time to retire.

58 Sol Roth  8/15/06 6:17:25 pm reply quote 0
I’ll find connections to one or another trans-nationalist progressive organization

You mean Global Collectivists? Get OUt! They're no threat. Why, they are Loving and For The Children [TM] you know.

Now turn in your guns and we'll take your rights and return them to the State for you 'cause we know better.

59 hepcat  8/15/06 6:17:46 pm reply quote 0

#40 sss111
retired fucktards

retired FOK*tards
*(Friends Of Kofi)

60 kay1212  8/15/06 6:18:34 pm reply quote 0

Slightly OT

Even France is doing something about it's *immigrant* problem. AND it's being reported in Al Jazeera.

France sticks to immigrant expulsions

Wednesday 16 August 2006, 1:18 Makka Time, 22:18 GMT

The French interior minister has defended his decision to expel thousands of illegal immigrants this year, saying France needed an uncompromising immigration policy following recent rioting in its suburbs.

Nicolas Sarkozy told France-2 television on Tuesday that officials had received almost 30,000 applications from families seeking residency papers when a deadline for requests expired at the weekend.

This was some 10,000 more than had been expected, but despite the higher numbers, Sarkozy stuck to an earlier prediction that just 6,000 applications would be accepted.

Some expulsion orders had already been served, Sarkozy said, and many more were in the pipeline.

Sarkozy, the clear favourite to represent the right in next year's presidential elections, has faced fierce protests over moves to send whole families packing and has invested a lot of political capital in the crackdown on immigration.

Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, tightened residency rules after youths in poor suburbs - many of them home to immigrant families - went on the rampage last year in a wave of rioting that shocked France.

He said: "You saw what happened in the suburbs, one sees the difficulty of France's integration system. What's the reason for this? The reason is that our immigration policy has not been mastered.

"Just coming to France does not give you the right to stay in France."

61 Thanos  8/15/06 6:20:34 pm reply quote 0

Still OT: I would love it if Sarkozy makes it a conservative sweep.

62 Mrs. Right  8/15/06 6:20:46 pm reply quote 0

They're primping their resumes in anticipation of job-searching in the next Clinton Dynasty

/shoot me now

63 6patrick6  8/15/06 6:21:32 pm reply quote 0
"Just coming to France the US does not give you the right to stay in France the US."

There, fixed it! They way it should be, but unfortunately, Fwance does have the lead here!

64 Thanos  8/15/06 6:22:23 pm reply quote 0

The same idiots had two generations of Americans grow up under constant threat of these.

65 Midwest  8/15/06 6:22:56 pm reply quote 0

Would any of these experts be willing to place their lives on the line in the event they were wrong? It appears they are willing to put our lives on the line with their expressions of 'concern' and 'advise'. I am willing to bet that if their opinion of Iran's nuclear capabilities turn out to be wrong that they'll blame their staements on the Bush administration lying to them.

66 chewydog  8/15/06 6:24:18 pm reply quote 0

60 k1212

Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, tightened residency rules after youths in poor suburbs - many of them home to immigrant families - went on the rampage last year in a wave of rioting that shocked France.

He said: "You saw what happened in the suburbs, one sees the difficulty of France's integration system. What's the reason for this? The reason is that our immigration policy has not been mastered.

"Just coming to France does not give you the right to stay in France."

It's a step. Probably the very first step for France, but a step.

67 Thanos  8/15/06 6:24:40 pm reply quote 0

Goodnite all, time to get some sleeps.

68 the_flying_pig  8/15/06 6:25:09 pm reply quote 0

This is all part of the Shadow Party's plans to undermine the Bush administration.

George Soros wanted to kill the United States

69 SaneInMN  8/15/06 6:25:11 pm reply quote 0

Whoever signed on to this rant will be doing some serious backpeddling when the shit hits the fan. And btw, politically speaking, this kind of thing is a disaster for the dems. How do you snub the president of Iraq for supporting hezbollah, and at the same time, blast the President for standing with Israel? No problem for the kos kidz, but this will not sell with the American public...outside of Dearborn, that is.

70 The Concerned Engineer  8/15/06 6:26:38 pm reply quote 0

Norman Podhoretz has a very balanced article in the upcoming issue of Commentary that discusses the present foreign policy situation in the Middle East. He puts all these naysayers into perspective – well worth the read even though it is quite long.

The article is here.

71 Caliphornian  8/15/06 6:27:02 pm reply quote 0

Oh, great. Now "Moscow Morton" Halperin has to rear his ugly head again. Now all we need is Strobe (dim-bulb) Talbott to start spouting off for a two-fer. Whatever made people think these guys were anything but book-smart and life-stupid?


C

72 armymarinemom  8/15/06 6:27:26 pm reply quote 0

Is this the same group of retired Miltiary etc who jumped on the fire Rummy bandwagon with signed letters?
Sigh, I'm going to get an earful from my offspring over these guys playing politics.

73 scathach  8/15/06 6:28:02 pm reply quote 0

At times like these I like to look at what great men and women had to say about war. I think this quote from Gen. MacAurther sums it up:

The history of failure in war can be summed up in two words: Too late. Too late in comprehending the deadly purpose of a potential enemy; too late in realizing the mortal danger; too late in preparedness; too late in uniting all possible forces for resistance; too late in standing with one's friends.


Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it you "retired" generals and "defense advisors."

74 hepcat  8/15/06 6:29:16 pm reply quote 0

"Star Wars" agency helps Israel on rocket threat.

The Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency has begun working with Israel to help find ways to counter enemy rockets, a much shorter-range threat than the "Star Wars" mission to block ballistic missiles for which is it known, the head of the agency said on Tuesday.

"We have been working with the Israelis ... as they go through with development of their own indigenous capabilities for that threat," Air Force Lt. Gen. Henry Obering told reporters after a speech at a missile-defense conference here.


And this three-star isn't retired.

75 big L  8/15/06 6:29:25 pm reply quote 0

No doubt this group of generals (!) and national security advisors (!) and a former advisor to McNamara(!) in a prior time were in a group called COMFORT--
Committee On Making Further Offers for a
Russian Truce.

76 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)  8/15/06 6:29:27 pm reply quote 0

Grim reading, folks.

Stanley Kurtz sums up our present dilemma with scalding clarity. He gets it that a fanatical foe with non-material goals cannot be dealt with in the usual way.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

77 tronman  8/15/06 6:32:52 pm reply quote 0

All of you do realize, that our grandchildren, while chanting the verses of the koran, will learn how evil we all were. Bush(imho the greatest American President since Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick and Great White Fleet) will be villified and and be in the history books right beside Hitler/Stalin/PolPot etc...

Sorry, but after seeing how many idiots there are in this country, people too ignorant to to defend themselves when some uncivilized animal puts a knife to their childs throat and decapites them in the name of their so called "religon" I just can't see any other outcome. I served this country and hate to see things come to this, but how can you combat stupidity and cowardice? The sheeple have the numbers it seems and they will vote, in this and the next election, and seal all of our fates and those of our children for generations.
If you are a parent I'd suggest beginning to teach your child the do's and don'ts of sharia...

All Praise Allah(poop be upon him)

78 rayra  8/15/06 6:33:07 pm reply quote 0

This whole thing is a repeat of the douchebag attempt to force Rumsfeld's firing. Scrape together some POS senior cowards and have them sign a letter.

79 Earth2moonbat  8/15/06 6:33:56 pm reply quote 0

McNamera - of Edsel fame. You'd think these hosers would be ashamed of such incompitance, but they're too dumb to realize how dumb they are.

80 goodbye_natalie  8/15/06 6:34:29 pm reply quote 0
“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said.

Hey, that's a great point. I would rather we be beholden to head choppers, hate mongers, misogynists, oil ticks, general freedom haters, and tyrants than a democratic ally and friend.

We need to jump on the bandwagon and become Jew haters like the rest of the world. History shows it would make everything better. We got a new Hitler in the Iranian midget man, an army of useful idiots in America (see above), and a League of Nations that is sure if we could just rid the world of Israel, we could all live in peace.

On second thought, I'd rather me and my children be dead than ante up to this crowd. See you at O.K. corral assholes.

**spit**

81 kite_eating_tree  8/15/06 6:35:24 pm reply quote 0

Well, it seems parts of our country continue to waiver while parts of France hold their ground:

The French interior minister has defended his decision to expel thousands of illegal immigrants this year, saying France needed an uncompromising immigration policy following recent rioting in its suburbs.


Nicolas Sarkozy told France-2 television on Tuesday that officials had received almost 30,000 applications from families seeking residency papers when a deadline for requests expired at the weekend.

This was some 10,000 more than had been expected, but despite the higher numbers, Sarkozy stuck to an earlier prediction that just 6,000 applications would be accepted.

Some expulsion orders had already been served, Sarkozy said, and many more were in the pipeline.

Sarkozy, the clear favourite to represent the right in next year's presidential elections, has faced fierce protests over moves to send whole families packing and has invested a lot of political capital in the crackdown on immigration.

82 tigger2005  8/15/06 6:39:09 pm reply quote 0

What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

An "unabashedly pro-Israel stance" during the conflict with Hizballah?

What the F*CK do they expect?

A liberal democracy is attacked by a non-state military force of totalitarian religious fanatics bent on its destruction and we're not supposed to take the democracy's side?

What the f*ck planet am I living on? What the f*ck alternate universe did I wake up in? Can I please wake up and go back to the sane world I used to live in? MAD the nuclear strategy was easier to cope with than this!

F*CK!

/Rant over, washing mouth out with soap

83 sss111  8/15/06 6:40:33 pm reply quote 0
Gard said the letter's signers -- who will include retired Marine Corps Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, head of U.S. Central Command from 1991 to 1994, and Morton H. Halperin, a senior State Department and National Security Council official in the Clinton administration -- do not believe that Iran has the wherewithal to build a nuclear weapon in the near term and will push the administration to open negotiations with Tehran on the issue.

Just like Libya, right?

Right, Herr Generals?

right?

84 ploome hineni  8/15/06 6:41:13 pm reply quote 0

#81 kite_eating_tree 8/15/2006 08:35PM PDT

do you have a url for that?

thanks

85 kite_eating_tree  8/15/06 6:41:58 pm reply quote 0

ooops double posted. must read first *hitting head repeatedly while yelling stupid*

86 sss111  8/15/06 6:42:04 pm reply quote 0

#82 tigger2005

What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

An "unabashedly pro-Israel stance" during the conflict with Hizballah?

What the F*CK do they expect?

They expect the Jews to die like good obedient kikes.

That's what they expect. What do all LLLer's expect?

87 kite_eating_tree  8/15/06 6:43:38 pm reply quote 0

it is at aljazeera's english web page. you know the one that doesn't show slideshows of dead arab babies while blasting O Fortuna in the background

88 rayra  8/15/06 6:43:52 pm reply quote 0
#62 Mrs. Right 8/15/2006 08:20PM PDT
They're primping their resumes in anticipation of job-searching in the next Clinton Dynasty

/shoot me now

EXACTLY. Covering their bets.

89 big L  8/15/06 6:44:26 pm reply quote 0

82-tigger-you are in bizarro Winnie-the-poo land.

90 hepcat  8/15/06 6:44:36 pm reply quote 0

When the going gets tough, the Jew-haters come out.

91 big L  8/15/06 6:47:51 pm reply quote 0

I had C-span on. It was the Muslim Pub Affairs Council guy. He said thank you all for coming this afternoon (Allah be Praised)
Id'd like to introduce you to the Assistant Director of the FBI, so and so...

I thought as my heart sank, we are truly f*cked. Just like Savage said. The govt will deny any terrorism and then arrest those of us that will protest the coming Sharia and califate.

92 tigger2005  8/15/06 6:48:09 pm reply quote 0

# 89 big L

Oh bother.

But I thought the Hundred Acre Wood was supposed to be a nice place.

93 tigger2005  8/15/06 6:49:07 pm reply quote 0

# 91

Was it Assistant Director Walter Skinner?

94 FrogMarch  8/15/06 6:49:51 pm reply quote 0

SOROS

95 sss111  8/15/06 6:51:06 pm reply quote 0

How many of these retired generals were influenced by Walt/Mearsheimer "Jews control the world" paper?

96 tigger2005  8/15/06 6:51:21 pm reply quote 0

# 91 big L

And DON'T give up hope. If Fwance can expel illegal immigrants, this country can come around. Don't forget, here, a lot of people on the right side have guns.

97 ProUSA  8/15/06 6:52:21 pm reply quote 0

What kind of asshat retired generals are these?

"He noted that the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli assessments."

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said."

Oh, I'm sorry retired guy. I didn't know that allowing Israel to defend itself was wrong of us. How wrong of Bush to not stand in the way of our only true ally in the region, who is willing to take on such threats. Maybe you can travel with Joe Wilson to confirm whether Iran has any real interest in going nuclear, or if they are just telling us they are pursing nukes because that want us to destroy them.

98 Amalie  8/15/06 6:53:08 pm reply quote 0

#78 rayra 8/15/2006 08:33PM PDT

Scrape together some POS senior cowards and have them sign a letter.

Like the UN Resolution?

99 sss111  8/15/06 6:57:24 pm reply quote 0

A horrible thought occured to me regarding a more encompassing explanation for letters like this, the lockstep dhimmitude of the MSM, the puzzling government weakness in most of the world in the face of Islamofascism, etc.

This thought concerns something that I'm not too sure we'd know about even if it were happening:

Nuclear blackmail.

How can we be sure this is not already occurring?

100 big L  8/15/06 6:58:30 pm reply quote 0

32 leftout- Yes right on... are these ex gens and advisors typical of those that currently staff our govt and military offices? Or not.
Heaven help us.

also I sue get tired of the Gotcha-game being played buy the Donks and GOP.

Truly the fiddler is playing while the city burns.

101 rayra  8/15/06 6:59:04 pm reply quote 0

100 posts, nobody's produced a list of these PsOS, with their 'Peace & Justice' affiliations?

102 quark2  8/15/06 7:00:48 pm reply quote 0

O'Reilly had one, and I didn't catch his name
on tonight. Preached we need to get out of Iraq NOW. It doesn't matter that Iran will overflow
and control Iraq if we pull the rug out from
underneath the Iraqis. No matter the blood bath, just get out and let the police handle all of our terror affairs. The SOB is determined to see
millions of Americans die.

103 rayra  8/15/06 7:01:19 pm reply quote 0
#99 sss111 8/15/2006 08:57PM PDT
...Nuclear blackmail.

How can we be sure this is not already occurring?

How can we be sure you aren't a tentacled alien from the planet Nebulon 6?

/f'n conspiracist nonsense

104 rayra  8/15/06 7:03:14 pm reply quote 0

sss111, there's already enough proof of Ideologically driven culture-traitors in our Media and the Democrat party, without needing to indulge in fantacist bullshit.

105 kawfytawk  8/15/06 7:03:25 pm reply quote 0

#102 Quark2

I saw that...the peacenik was Kucinich (D) OH

He's an absolute moron

106 Bobibutu  8/15/06 7:04:03 pm reply quote 0

#77 tronman

Thank God there are Marines!

107 SaneInMN  8/15/06 7:04:56 pm reply quote 0

102...

Had one who? One of these failed generals? CAIR rep? Who?

108 rayra  8/15/06 7:05:19 pm reply quote 0

and as a minor 'proof' - imagine the childish sn*****ing of the LLLEftist AP pieces of shit that crafted this headline and echoed it at CNN -
'Explosion of diversity' sweeps U.S., census shows

109 SaneInMN  8/15/06 7:08:59 pm reply quote 0

kucinich! At least he's consistent! Consistently wrong, but your never surprised at the idiocy thats created by the 6 brain cells linking his ears together.

BTW, kucinich started the "US troops are terrorists" memi long before kerry and maggot murtha jumped on. He told Hannity that US troops were deliberately targeting women and children in Afghanistan before the war in Iraq ever started.

110 rayra  8/15/06 7:09:58 pm reply quote 0

They use the word "explosion" in the midst of this weekend's terror news, and multiple arrests of muslim youths buying hard to trace cellphones for use as bomb detonators.

And after months of debate about illegal immigrants, porous borders, and the very real danger of muslim terrorists on our soil.

111 quark2  8/15/06 7:11:41 pm reply quote 0

@77 tronman

Hey since we're already defeated and facing doom, why don't you just take an early departure flight. Jump off of the nearest cliff while singing your hand wringing whinging carol of doom.
/spit

112 tronman  8/15/06 7:12:04 pm reply quote 0

106 Bobibutu


According to Murtha the Marines are a bunch of murdering bastards and will be the first to be put down under the new Caliphate...

I wasn't a Marine(was more squidified), but I'll be there with them if I can in the end.

113 kawfytawk  8/15/06 7:14:44 pm reply quote 0

well gnite all....time to get some rest...bringing my daughter to college tomorrow.

114 tronman  8/15/06 7:15:01 pm reply quote 0

#111 quark2


I never said I was doomed...I'll be there fighting til the end. I do doubt the majority of Americans will wake up in time to realize whats happened to them though. But I'll quit fighting about five minutes after they cut my head off.

115 storm'n norm'n  8/15/06 7:18:51 pm reply quote 0

103 rayra
Wow, If I didn't know better, I would think you need to go back to sensitivity training. But I do know better.
Keep up you blunt honesty, Please.

108 rayra
The explosion of diversity, is a form of terror. aren't most explosions.