Canary, meet coalmine

What happens to Israel will happen to all of us... later

Ahmadinejad will give these dolts their answer on 22 August.

Yeah, if you have your head up your ass, all this makes sense.

...will push the administration to open negotiations with Tehran on the issue.

How original.

Thank God these men are retired.

I am truly sorry to see American military, especially Marine Corps personnel, with their heads so far up their butt.

/funded by Soros

I'll bet a lot of these people are on the Saudi pension plan for "retired U.S. officials turned traitor."

@4

May I suggest Munich as the venue?

Does anyone actually realize how many ex-generals, former diplomats and "national security officials" (gawd, what an ambiguous term) we have?

Please bear in mind that this is the LaLa times we are talking about here. They believe that war for cause is evil, because war is evil, even to save our own lives.

Now that you have the background, read the article.

Oh Charles.

You ruined my floaty day at the shore.

Let's see a western liberal democracy supports a western liberal democracy.

One that is surrounded by totalitarian Islamic Fascist to Stalinist states bent on it's annihilation.

What's so hard about that you friggin' morons...

Unless your Islamic Fascist or Stalinist yourselves...

Making you mine enemy.

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said

Or we can just wait until a nuke of some variety smokes off in NYC or Israel.

I pray we "strike" before that happens.

We cannot run away from this war and we cannot allow it to drag out 30 years.

Bush, what are you doing?

This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel .

I don't get it - they say it like it's a bad thing...

-- Nora

#5 Cartman -Hey my friend, how are ya?
"Thank God these men are retired." At the least; I swear some if not all of them are suffering from dementia.

"Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara [snip] Morton H. Halperin, a senior State Department and National Security Council official in the Clinton administration"

I've seen all I need to see ..
:-)

I'd like to see a list of these "Murtha-Lites" to see which Presidents appointed them. This is clearly a DNC staged event, to go along with their Cut-N-Run Cause There Ain't No Terrorists Anyhow campaign. The entire lot of them should be rounded up and arrested (for their own protection, because when Iran starts setting off its nukes, we patriots are going to come looking for them with long ropes and short ladders).

We know what a fine job they did with Iraq in wrapping up the Gulf War in 1991, don't we.

Have a 4 star-ret friend who I will contact to see what the hell is going on,

Speaking of Soros...has anyone ever investigated this guy? Surely all his untold billions can't be all clean money. Maybe the IRS should look into his various businesses and not-for-profits.

Didn't a bunch of Generals say that Hitler wasn't a danger also?

Yup,it is awful that must take up arms to defend ourselves from an enemy that constantly announces its deisre to destroy us.Please just stay out of the way of the adults that will do the work to protect the Western Values oh so worthy of saving. Now go to your room child,we'll call you when we are done.

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said.

-----

The thought of going to war is so abhorent to the democratic mind on a national level, that we wait to fight until it becomes an existential fight. And not before. Sad, but woefully true. We're witnessing it. Yes, it's 1939.

the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah

Three cheers for an administration that can tell right from wrong in this case.

Didn't some other generals paid for an ad that said Israel is good for the USA? I think Atlas Shrugged posted it.

"McNamara generals" says all you need to know about these folks. Their idea of defense: genocide through Mutually Assured Destruction. (Mad)

This is how they think pre-emptive strikes should be made, through a press release.

"However much we may sympathize with a small nation confronted by a big and powerful neighbor, we cannot in all circumstances undertake to involve the whole British Empire in war simply on her account. If we have to fight it must be on larger issues than that. I am myself a man of peace to the depths of my soul. Armed conflict between nations is a nightmare to me; but if I were convinced that any nation had made up its mind to dominate the world by fear of its force, I should feel that it must be resisted. Under such a domination life for people who believe in liberty would not be worth living; but war is a fearful thing, and we must be very clear, before we embark upon it, that it is really the great issues that are at stake, and that the call to risk everything in their defense, when all the consequences are weighed, is irresistible."

(Neville Chamberlain, 1939)

These former generals and others will, by evidence of their signatures, confirm the afflictions they have possesed during, or acquired after, their terms of public service. Some shitbirds are born that way, others grow feathers as they age.

Yes, you retired pricks, we have an unabashed Israeli bias. Now get back to the important stuff like watering the roses.
Sheesh

Did you upgrade Charles? 5000 on board now and Zappas back!

He noted that the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli assessments.

Does Gard think the U.S. should be impartial?

Why don't we write our own open letter. Any former generals here?

What kind of strategy for peace is it when you unequivocally tell the world that you won't fight to save your family, your self, or your country.

Why not write an open letter saying "we're cowards. Come and kill us and take our country. We won't offer any resistance as you slaughter us, but we will feel good about ourselves for being gentle people."

Where did all the Pattons go?

Ladies and Gentlemen, we present the Pat Buchanan wing of the Democrat party...

#15 realwest

I'm hangin' in there, bud. Hope you guys are getting settled in, slowly but surely.

BTW, my comment was in no way meant to dis' our honorable and brave military retirees. As others have pointed out, these are rogue malcontents who have signed on the "useful idiot" dotted line.

You know...if we could get these idiots to Lousiana on some pretense we could have them all involuntarily commited. I am getting pretty damned sick of these peoples complete ignorance. Even a 5 yr old should be able to understand the difference between good and bad, yet these freaks of nature seem to think it's all our fault. God help us all if these simpletons get back into power...

How about all those worried folks that we are too beholden of Israel go to the middle east to become human shields...

/wasn't that tried before?

It will come down to simply deciding for what is right versus what is wrong.

The thought of negotiating with a terrorist state, responsible for numerous American lives lost, ensuring regional instability,

what use it to continue writing?

I can't help but feel in my gut, the left in this country is willing to undermine anything & everything this country was founded on, just to attain their lofty goal of a socialist state.

even it means getting in to bed with Iran.

..unabashedly pro-Israel(DEMOCRATIC) stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah(EVIL MOSLEM KILLERS) was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli(DEMOCRATIC) assessments.

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel(DEMOCRATIC) that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike(LIKE THE 1986 MARINES) , he said.

I hate these creatures that say they are human. I spit on them.

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara in the 1960s, said the group was particularly concerned about administration policies toward Iran, believing them to be a possible prelude to a military attack on suspected nuclear sites in that country.

NO! Get out!

Some of these fuckers are Vietnam retreads. With friends like this, who needs enemies - but it's a little harder for the two million Indochinese who were murdered afterwards to understand.

Those poor souls, unlike these retired fucktards, are unavailable for comment.

“It’s not a crisis,” Gard said in a telephone interview. “To call the Iranian situation a ‘crisis’ connotes you have to do something right now, like bomb them.” ....

He sounded a different tune in August of last year in a speech that's at the Center for Arms Control and Non-Proliferation website.

Hopefully, we will not have to wait for the detonation of a nuclear device on our soil to accord sufficient priority to keeping nuclear weapons and materials from terrorists intent on carrying out Al Qaeda�s threat to inflict mass casualties on Americans.

Lt. Gen Gard, here's your sign.

The Usual Suspects

People's Weekly World
Crowds pack Out of Iraq meetings across nation
1/12/06

SACRAMENTO, Calif. — Five hundred people turned out to hear antiwar activist Cindy Sheehan, actor Sean Penn and other speakers at the Out of Iraq Town Hall Forum here Jan. 7, one of over 130 similar meetings held nationwide in partnership with AfterDowningStreet.org.
...
Among other town hall meetings:
...
Northbrook, Ill.: Another overflow crowd gathered at the Northbrook Library, without Chicago-area 10th District Congressman Mark Kirk, a Republican, who refused to attend. Speaking were Ron Miller, chair of Lake Forest College’s religion department; David Cortright of Notre Dame University’s Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies; and retired General Robert Gard.

retired fucktards

MWahahahahahah...most apt description I've heard yet...

Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara

This stupid bastard did more to ruin American prestige and demoralize the military in the entire post-WWII era than any man since, including our previous President.

Notice these retired officers are all the resident "experts" on any given "news" show to talk about the situation and blab to the friggin' enemy what the possible strategem may be for that particular moment, all the while the damn enemy has their satellite TV tuned to that particular channel. None, you'll notice, are retired enlisted people. That proves that the average enlisted man is considerably smarter than your average officer and has the common sense to not say anything to anyone about tactics, movements, etc. Typical officer mentality - talk to hear themselves talk! Hey, retired officer knucklehead - STFU already!

#34 Cartman - "BTW, my comment was in no way meant to dis' our honorable and brave military retirees." Oh Hell, I knew that! And so does everyone who ever reads your posts out here. I was just saying that McNamara's and even Clinton's folks are waaaay beyond their sale date! LOL!

*snip* *snatch*

Thanks kindly for that quote KSK, very fitting.

Here is some information on one of them and his connection to an anti-war organization.

[Link: vvaf.org...]

I understand this retiree's concerns. The only alternative solution given by men like Gard is to do exactly nothing, and give Iran a nuclear weapon.

This is not acceptable.

Period.

Adding to my #44...

Oh, and retired officers, remember, your oath you took to protect the Constution and defend the United States against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic, STILL APPLIES IN YOUR RETIREMENT!
Once again, if you feel the urge to open your mouth for cash from some TV station/network, pleeeease just STFU, OK?

David Cortright of Notre Dame University’s Joan B. Kroc Institute for International Peace Studies

I love peace as much as any of these hottentots, but isn't it obvious to anyone beyond the age of thirteen or fourteen that you can't make or have peace with people or nations who are not interested in peace.

These people endanger us all and make peace
less, not more, likely.

#41 Nice find there.

oh lalala whichever way the wind will blow me.. oh lalala

These fools forget the blogmind knows all. :)

#40 - sss111
Exactly ! - Mc Namara should have been rotting in prison for decades now - but hey -- you know he meant well.......
1.8 - 2.5 MILLION souls paid with their lives because IDIOTS like him, Kerry, Kennedy, Fonda got their way and yet in some twisted universe these people are still out in public speaking as if they had any credibilty . And of course the media - Leftists to the core- eat it up .

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel"

As opposed to what, being so clearly beholden to terrorists? Drooling senile asshat--yeah, let's just stick our collective dhimmified heads in the sand, and just ignore Iran. Maybe they'll just forget all about them ol' nukes and those pesky lil' hezzbollah they support.

#46 rayra - HI guy! "Any of them NOT a Treasoncrat or anti-semite Buchananite POS?"
None that I can see!
Hope you're doing well.

And on that note, I gotta go get some zzzz's (can't wait until we're all unpacked and I can spend more time on LGF!).

Goodnight, Everyone.

#47 welcome

I don't know if history repeats itself but stupidity certainly is recurrent.

Generally, no pun intended, once you are that high in rank....you are no longer part of the "real" military and have become more of a politician.

It use to be that the "real" military...retired or not...kept their mouths shut about the current CinC...whether they agreed or disagreed. As a matter of respect.

When they implemented the kinder, gentler military my hubby knew it was time to retire.

I’ll find connections to one or another trans-nationalist progressive organization

You mean Global Collectivists? Get OUt! They're no threat. Why, they are Loving and For The Children [TM] you know.

Now turn in your guns and we'll take your rights and return them to the State for you 'cause we know better.

#40 sss111
retired fucktards

retired FOK*tards
*(Friends Of Kofi)

Slightly OT

Even France is doing something about it's *immigrant* problem. AND it's being reported in Al Jazeera.

France sticks to immigrant expulsions

Wednesday 16 August 2006, 1:18 Makka Time, 22:18 GMT

The French interior minister has defended his decision to expel thousands of illegal immigrants this year, saying France needed an uncompromising immigration policy following recent rioting in its suburbs.

Nicolas Sarkozy told France-2 television on Tuesday that officials had received almost 30,000 applications from families seeking residency papers when a deadline for requests expired at the weekend.

This was some 10,000 more than had been expected, but despite the higher numbers, Sarkozy stuck to an earlier prediction that just 6,000 applications would be accepted.

Some expulsion orders had already been served, Sarkozy said, and many more were in the pipeline.

Sarkozy, the clear favourite to represent the right in next year's presidential elections, has faced fierce protests over moves to send whole families packing and has invested a lot of political capital in the crackdown on immigration.

Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, tightened residency rules after youths in poor suburbs - many of them home to immigrant families - went on the rampage last year in a wave of rioting that shocked France.

He said: "You saw what happened in the suburbs, one sees the difficulty of France's integration system. What's the reason for this? The reason is that our immigration policy has not been mastered.

"Just coming to France does not give you the right to stay in France."

Still OT: I would love it if Sarkozy makes it a conservative sweep.

They're primping their resumes in anticipation of job-searching in the next Clinton Dynasty

/shoot me now

"Just coming to France the US does not give you the right to stay in France the US."

There, fixed it! They way it should be, but unfortunately, Fwance does have the lead here!

The same idiots had two generations of Americans grow up under constant threat of these.

Would any of these experts be willing to place their lives on the line in the event they were wrong? It appears they are willing to put our lives on the line with their expressions of 'concern' and 'advise'. I am willing to bet that if their opinion of Iran's nuclear capabilities turn out to be wrong that they'll blame their staements on the Bush administration lying to them.

60 k1212

Sarkozy, the son of a Hungarian immigrant, tightened residency rules after youths in poor suburbs - many of them home to immigrant families - went on the rampage last year in a wave of rioting that shocked France.

He said: "You saw what happened in the suburbs, one sees the difficulty of France's integration system. What's the reason for this? The reason is that our immigration policy has not been mastered.

"Just coming to France does not give you the right to stay in France."

It's a step. Probably the very first step for France, but a step.

Goodnite all, time to get some sleeps.

This is all part of the Shadow Party's plans to undermine the Bush administration.

George Soros wanted to kill the United States

Whoever signed on to this rant will be doing some serious backpeddling when the shit hits the fan. And btw, politically speaking, this kind of thing is a disaster for the dems. How do you snub the president of Iraq for supporting hezbollah, and at the same time, blast the President for standing with Israel? No problem for the kos kidz, but this will not sell with the American public...outside of Dearborn, that is.

Norman Podhoretz has a very balanced article in the upcoming issue of Commentary that discusses the present foreign policy situation in the Middle East. He puts all these naysayers into perspective – well worth the read even though it is quite long.

The article is here.

Oh, great. Now "Moscow Morton" Halperin has to rear his ugly head again. Now all we need is Strobe (dim-bulb) Talbott to start spouting off for a two-fer. Whatever made people think these guys were anything but book-smart and life-stupid?

C

Is this the same group of retired Miltiary etc who jumped on the fire Rummy bandwagon with signed letters?
Sigh, I'm going to get an earful from my offspring over these guys playing politics.

At times like these I like to look at what great men and women had to say about war. I think this quote from Gen. MacAurther sums it up:

The history of failure in war can be summed up in two words: Too late. Too late in comprehending the deadly purpose of a potential enemy; too late in realizing the mortal danger; too late in preparedness; too late in uniting all possible forces for resistance; too late in standing with one's friends.

Now stick that in your pipe and smoke it you "retired" generals and "defense advisors."

"Star Wars" agency helps Israel on rocket threat.

The Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency has begun working with Israel to help find ways to counter enemy rockets, a much shorter-range threat than the "Star Wars" mission to block ballistic missiles for which is it known, the head of the agency said on Tuesday.

"We have been working with the Israelis ... as they go through with development of their own indigenous capabilities for that threat," Air Force Lt. Gen. Henry Obering told reporters after a speech at a missile-defense conference here.

And this three-star isn't retired.

No doubt this group of generals (!) and national security advisors (!) and a former advisor to McNamara(!) in a prior time were in a group called COMFORT--
Committee On Making Further Offers for a
Russian Truce.

Grim reading, folks.

Stanley Kurtz sums up our present dilemma with scalding clarity. He gets it that a fanatical foe with non-material goals cannot be dealt with in the usual way.

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

All of you do realize, that our grandchildren, while chanting the verses of the koran, will learn how evil we all were. Bush(imho the greatest American President since Teddy Roosevelt and his big stick and Great White Fleet) will be villified and and be in the history books right beside Hitler/Stalin/PolPot etc...

Sorry, but after seeing how many idiots there are in this country, people too ignorant to to defend themselves when some uncivilized animal puts a knife to their childs throat and decapites them in the name of their so called "religon" I just can't see any other outcome. I served this country and hate to see things come to this, but how can you combat stupidity and cowardice? The sheeple have the numbers it seems and they will vote, in this and the next election, and seal all of our fates and those of our children for generations.
If you are a parent I'd suggest beginning to teach your child the do's and don'ts of sharia...

All Praise Allah(poop be upon him)

McNamera - of Edsel fame. You'd think these hosers would be ashamed of such incompitance, but they're too dumb to realize how dumb they are.

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said.

Hey, that's a great point. I would rather we be beholden to head choppers, hate mongers, misogynists, oil ticks, general freedom haters, and tyrants than a democratic ally and friend.

We need to jump on the bandwagon and become Jew haters like the rest of the world. History shows it would make everything better. We got a new Hitler in the Iranian midget man, an army of useful idiots in America (see above), and a League of Nations that is sure if we could just rid the world of Israel, we could all live in peace.

On second thought, I'd rather me and my children be dead than ante up to this crowd. See you at O.K. corral assholes.

**spit**

Well, it seems parts of our country continue to waiver while parts of France hold their ground:

The French interior minister has defended his decision to expel thousands of illegal immigrants this year, saying France needed an uncompromising immigration policy following recent rioting in its suburbs.

Nicolas Sarkozy told France-2 television on Tuesday that officials had received almost 30,000 applications from families seeking residency papers when a deadline for requests expired at the weekend.

This was some 10,000 more than had been expected, but despite the higher numbers, Sarkozy stuck to an earlier prediction that just 6,000 applications would be accepted.

Some expulsion orders had already been served, Sarkozy said, and many more were in the pipeline.

Sarkozy, the clear favourite to represent the right in next year's presidential elections, has faced fierce protests over moves to send whole families packing and has invested a lot of political capital in the crackdown on immigration.

What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

An "unabashedly pro-Israel stance" during the conflict with Hizballah?

What the F*CK do they expect?

A liberal democracy is attacked by a non-state military force of totalitarian religious fanatics bent on its destruction and we're not supposed to take the democracy's side?

What the f*ck planet am I living on? What the f*ck alternate universe did I wake up in? Can I please wake up and go back to the sane world I used to live in? MAD the nuclear strategy was easier to cope with than this!

F*CK!

/Rant over, washing mouth out with soap

Gard said the letter's signers -- who will include retired Marine Corps Gen. Joseph P. Hoar, head of U.S. Central Command from 1991 to 1994, and Morton H. Halperin, a senior State Department and National Security Council official in the Clinton administration -- do not believe that Iran has the wherewithal to build a nuclear weapon in the near term and will push the administration to open negotiations with Tehran on the issue.

Just like Libya, right?

Right, Herr Generals?

right?

ooops double posted. must read first *hitting head repeatedly while yelling stupid*

#82 tigger2005

What the f*ck is wrong with some people?

An "unabashedly pro-Israel stance" during the conflict with Hizballah?

What the F*CK do they expect?

They expect the Jews to die like good obedient kikes.

That's what they expect. What do all LLLer's expect?

it is at aljazeera's english web page. you know the one that doesn't show slideshows of dead arab babies while blasting O Fortuna in the background

82-tigger-you are in bizarro Winnie-the-poo land.

When the going gets tough, the Jew-haters come out.

I had C-span on. It was the Muslim Pub Affairs Council guy. He said thank you all for coming this afternoon (Allah be Praised)
Id'd like to introduce you to the Assistant Director of the FBI, so and so...

I thought as my heart sank, we are truly f*cked. Just like Savage said. The govt will deny any terrorism and then arrest those of us that will protest the coming Sharia and califate.

# 89 big L

Oh bother.

But I thought the Hundred Acre Wood was supposed to be a nice place.

# 91

Was it Assistant Director Walter Skinner?

SOROS

How many of these retired generals were influenced by Walt/Mearsheimer "Jews control the world" paper?

# 91 big L

And DON'T give up hope. If Fwance can expel illegal immigrants, this country can come around. Don't forget, here, a lot of people on the right side have guns.

What kind of asshat retired generals are these?

"He noted that the Bush administration’s unabashedly pro-Israel stance during the recent conflict with Hezbollah was an indication that the White House may accede to such Israeli assessments."

“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel that it raises the concern we might go along” with a military strike, he said."

Oh, I'm sorry retired guy. I didn't know that allowing Israel to defend itself was wrong of us. How wrong of Bush to not stand in the way of our only true ally in the region, who is willing to take on such threats. Maybe you can travel with Joe Wilson to confirm whether Iran has any real interest in going nuclear, or if they are just telling us they are pursing nukes because that want us to destroy them.

#78 rayra 8/15/2006 08:33PM PDT

Scrape together some POS senior cowards and have them sign a letter.

Like the UN Resolution?

A horrible thought occured to me regarding a more encompassing explanation for letters like this, the lockstep dhimmitude of the MSM, the puzzling government weakness in most of the world in the face of Islamofascism, etc.

This thought concerns something that I'm not too sure we'd know about even if it were happening:

Nuclear blackmail.

How can we be sure this is not already occurring?

32 leftout- Yes right on... are these ex gens and advisors typical of those that currently staff our govt and military offices? Or not.
Heaven help us.

also I sue get tired of the Gotcha-game being played buy the Donks and GOP.

Truly the fiddler is playing while the city burns.

O'Reilly had one, and I didn't catch his name
on tonight. Preached we need to get out of Iraq NOW. It doesn't matter that Iran will overflow
and control Iraq if we pull the rug out from
underneath the Iraqis. No matter the blood bath, just get out and let the police handle all of our terror affairs. The SOB is determined to see
millions of Americans die.

#102 Quark2

I saw that...the peacenik was Kucinich (D) OH

He's an absolute moron

#77 tronman

Thank God there are Marines!

102...

Had one who? One of these failed generals? CAIR rep? Who?

kucinich! At least he's consistent! Consistently wrong, but your never surprised at the idiocy thats created by the 6 brain cells linking his ears together.

BTW, kucinich started the "US troops are terrorists" memi long before kerry and maggot murtha jumped on. He told Hannity that US troops were deliberately targeting women and children in Afghanistan before the war in Iraq ever started.

@77 tronman

Hey since we're already defeated and facing doom, why don't you just take an early departure flight. Jump off of the nearest cliff while singing your hand wringing whinging carol of doom.
/spit

106 Bobibutu

According to Murtha the Marines are a bunch of murdering bastards and will be the first to be put down under the new Caliphate...

I wasn't a Marine(was more squidified), but I'll be there with them if I can in the end.

well gnite all....time to get some rest...bringing my daughter to college tomorrow.

#111 quark2

I never said I was doomed...I'll be there fighting til the end. I do doubt the majority of Americans will wake up in time to realize whats happened to them though. But I'll quit fighting about five minutes after they cut my head off.

103 rayra
Wow, If I didn't know better, I would think you need to go back to sensitivity training. But I do know better.
Keep up you blunt honesty, Please.

108 rayra
The explosion of diversity, is a form of terror. aren't most explosions.

103 rayra

How can we be sure you aren't a tentacled alien from the planet Nebulon 6?

Alpha Centuri, actually!

#52 Thanos . . .

These fools forget the blogmind knows all. :)

The blogmind is fighting the Borg.

I know who will win.......!

@76 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

What a great many do not 'get' or understand is this is a great world war of evil against good.
Light against the dark and a spiritual war.
But if you've denied your own spirituality,
it's impossible to comprehend where these
fanatical but committed to death people are coming from. Everyone keeps on the hearts and minds crap, poverty crap and self esteem crap.
It isn't that at all. It's all about preparing oneself for a glorious death in order to be
rewarded by allah in the after life.
There is NOTHING in this physical life they're interested in, that is negotiable. Only the
attaining of pleasing their god and being rewarded for an eternity.
And that is very scary, because we've got multitudes of secular types who have never
experienced faith, have knowledge of or recognize what it is they are going to be facing.

112 tronman

Yeah Navy too

@114 tronman

That's how your post came across to my reading.
Anything worth having is going to be a battle
to attain. And if we're going to out live, out fight and out smart the enemy we need to remember long term the challenge being proffered.

"“This administration is clearly so beholden to Israel."

Yes, we are "beholden" to the only functional democracy in the ME, one that is willing (albeit ineptly so thanks to the leftist influence) to fight the jihadists who want to kill us, even you leftscum.

Your point, you worthless pieces of shit? /spit aint enough, let's try PUKE this time...

Oh yeah, a former assistant to McNamara, the leftscum who has admitted to ineptly pursuing the Vietnam War in the same limited (i.e., self-defeating) way, leading to the deaths of thousands of servicemen, even after he considered the war lost. Great credentials there. Actually, if you are a moonbat/Democrap, they are: (1) Believed the US couldn't win? Check. (2) Sacrificed American servicement on the alter of fighting a limited war? Check. (3) Siding with the enemies of Democracy? Check. Yup, true leftscum hero there -- and no, I'm not kidding.

PS I'm starting to hate terrorist appeasing leftscum (redundant) even more than jihadists...

#120 quark2

Thats how I meant it to come across, people need to wake up. Personally I'll never give up and live like that, but if if we don't get people to see, and to vote, thats what it will come to, and we are going to have the middle east right here at home...only difference will be is we'll be labeled the bad guys.

#27 KSK

Awesome quote -- very apropos.

#60 Kay1212 . . .

The French interior minister has defended his decision to expel thousands of illegal immigrants this year, saying France needed an uncompromising immigration policy following recent rioting in its suburbs.

Go Sarkozy! You've got the right idea.

It's a sad day in America when we need to look to the French for inspiration. Of course, I'll always take their view on cheese seriously......but that's about it. (Of course, I'll always admire Madame Curie, but she's long dead.)

Anyway, if Sarkosy, can have some balls, so can we, in the vastly superior U.S. of A.

"unabashedly pro-Israel stance". This type of comment comes from a person that cannot see the good from the bad. Everything and everyone is equal. He will not choose sides. Its pathetic.

#125 jmg6160 8/15/2006 09:35PM PDT

"unabashedly pro-Israel stance". This type of comment comes from a person that cannot see the good from the bad. Everything and everyone is equal. He will not choose sides. Its pathetic.

No, he has choosed a side, even if he does not realize it, and it's not our side.

#121 MoonBatBane . . .

Oh yeah, a former assistant to McNamara, the leftscum who has admitted to ineptly pursuing the Vietnam War in the same limited (i.e., self-defeating) way, leading to the deaths of thousands of servicemen, even after he considered the war lost.

Too many words. What you mean is "those losers." ;)

choosed = choosen PIMF

#127 Promethea

Hmmm, definitely pithier. Yup, let's go with "those losers."

To moonbats, history started when it is useful to make a anti-Bush or anti-US argument. For libs and the Iraw war history started after the invasion, what Saddam did befire dosen't apply.

Anti semtic diatribe is becoming more common even among syndicated columnists. Charley Reese's last column appearing in the Orlando Sentinel instructs his readers that in America "we have a Jewish problem."

Yes, more propoganda for our enemies to promolgate throughout their paradisehell on earth.

Where's the accountability. I say, if we can show that our enemies are using McNamara's et al. words against us to arouse anti-American sentiment -- then prosecute.

We don;t need these Tokyo Joes.

#76 Lady of Shalott (ylreveb)

That is an excellent and sobering article by Kurtz. I don't want to sound smug, but I have been coming to the same conclusions on my own lately. We had better be prepared for a long siege.

All I'm gonna say is:

"JOOOOOOOOOOOS!"

(For proper effect, you have to shout it like "KHHAAAAAAAN!")

"Beholden to Israel", blah blah blah Anti-Semitic meme blah blah... You know, it occurred to me today how stupid the idea of "The International Jew" is... If for no other reason than this: Have you ever SEEN Jewish people argue? My God. What makes any idiot think that a "cabal" could come to a consensus on controlling anything? Take a look at the Knesset, how much consensus ever comes out of there? LOL

Organizers of the letter-writing campaign said the White House's stepped-up efforts to belittle Democrats for seeking a timetable for withdrawing troops in Iraq may lead the signers to expand the letter to include criticism of the administration's Iraq policy. The letter is expected to call for a complete overhaul of U.S. policy toward both Iran and Iraq.

Just as soon as they can figure out just exactly what that policy is...

Boy, the Democrats go all out in the propaganda war dont they? Even the piece itself outlines why the Demmocrats are having these former Clintonite and Johnson (for pete sakes), administration guys trot themselves out into the public.

Oh no! And they may seek to expand the letter! Oh, my gosh!

Wait a minute, why would they hold back now? And where were they earlier?

This isnt going to work for them.

Stop your whining
World War III requires patience and nerves of steel from the Jewish people. If you can't see any gain in this war, at least have decency to shut up
Rabbi Yoel Bin-Nun

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leftoids always try to use exaggerated credentials to make "progressive" organizations look "non-biased." Robert Johnson, expert CIA analyst!

Hey Lt. Gard, I got something you can "beholden" onto asshole!

Morton Halperin is a notorious left-winger and former director of the ACLU. During the Cold War and immediately thereafter, he actually advocated the complete ending of all CIA covert operations abroad (which would have left us totally helpless to fight terrorists after 9-11).

There's so much about him you can find out via Google. None of it is favorable from our perspective.

But if the Democrat "military experts" want to attack Bush for his "unabashedly pro-Israel stance," that's OK by me. Let's see the Democrats defend that with the American Jewish community. I think it's going to backfire big-time.

#131 bikki228

Anti semtic diatribe is becoming more common even among syndicated columnists. Charley Reese's last column appearing in the Orlando Sentinel instructs his readers that in America "we have a Jewish problem."

Is that the one in which he blythely dismisses Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic tirade?

OT: Keep yer pecker up!
Chavez was happy to see me...
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/Generalissimo Raul is scared shitless
Generalissimo Fidel is still dead
Cpl. Chavez is still a roaring wannabe

Hillary, you ignorant slut!

Remember these guys are auditioning for NSC or other appointed positions in a future Democratic administration. Their talent pool on the national security side is very shallow.

Damn.

The Judenhass is really getting thick.

And I am getting fed up with it. These people need to be forced out into the open so that people can see and be forced to choose sides.

#77 tronman

All of you do realize, that our grandchildren, while chanting the verses of the koran...

Ain’t gunna happen. The only thing that is up for debate IMHO is when the full on combat operations begin. The longer before it starts the larger the casualties will be. We have missed opportunities (starting will permitting the nationalization of the oil fields in the 1950s) to keep them in the hundreds; we are now looking at hundreds of thousands. In a decade or so it will be hundreds of millions.

I didn't think we had any friggin Democrats in the Corps. I guess that's why they issued us frags. Anyway, there was a typo on the spelling of Hoar's name. It should be WHORE!

#20 Promethea

Tereza Heinz-Kerry does more to fund anti-American Marxist/Islamofascist organizations and terrorists then George Soros. Through her Tides Foundation and The Heinz Foundation she is the biggest funder of anti-American Marxist/Communist/Islamist organizations around.

Read the gory details here: [Link: www.discoverthenetwork.org...] and [Link: www.discoverthenetwork.org...]

And she is a bigger danger then Soros, too. Soros will never be a part of government but she has a Senator in under her thumb. There IS a reason why she married John Kerry and love ain't it. Well, maybe love of power.

You think Hillary was bad? Tereza makes Hillary look like June Cleaver!

I guess they see the prospect of increased military spending as a threat to next year's retirement pay adju$tment.

This is a public e-mail address:

rgard@armscontrolcenter.org

Retired Army Lt. Gen. Robert Gard, one of the signers of the letter and a former military assistant to Defense Secretary Robert S. McNamara in the 1960s...

Need we read more? This (proud) Vietnam veteran stopped here.

#149 ploome hineni

regarding Hillary and Bill and other well known public ploitical figures

why aren't these people coming out to say something about this gathering storm of anti semitism?

Rhetorical question, right?

Aw heck, boys, the "unabashedly pro-Israel stance" is just part of an American tradition, as when we had an "unabashedly pro-England stance" while Churchill was alone standing up against an older form of fascism.
Unabashedly? Hell, proudly.

When the article Headline mentioned former generals, diplomats, and securuty specialists, I didn't expect these dinosaurs. I mean, how old is General Goad? Ninety? And Halerpin? He should be hiding his head in shame instead of issuing mendacious communiques.

For one thing, I'm sick and tired of hearing from retired field-grade officers who got bit by the pacifism bug. I much prefer our generals in the mode of Patton, Curtis LeMay, and Chesty Puller.

Our nation is now filled with retired generals who sound more like Ghandi than Sherman. There is something rotten in the Service Academies, War Colleges, and Pentagon. The Defense Department manufactures too many of these clowns for this to be a coincidence.

As one who was in the military during the Clinton years, and especially as a techno military type, I could always tell the Generals who rose during that time. Most were the military equivalent of the pointy haired boss seen in Dilbert. They were politicians like Clinton and they had absolutely no concept of a plan taking more than two steps...like Clinton. We listen to them at our peril, as they sound a lot like Lincoln's first set of generals - the ones he had when he was loosing against the agricultural south.

The left may not only be the death of America, but the free world, also!

/spit

People were so worried about President Bush's "plan" for a "Super State", and all the while, leftists like George Soros run unimpeded around the world, creating a One World Order that is real, is undermining, and slowly destroying America and Israel, and Europe, and all free countries in the world.

President Bush gets nailed to the wall for taking serious actions to defeat America and Israel's enemies, when it has been very, very clear for over 3 decades, that islamofascism is bent on the destruction of I sreal and America, and there isn't a Democrat currently in office, nor any on the horizon, who will ever use military force to protect America, ever again, they will only appease islamofascism terrorists, and capitulate to a One World Order, which means the U.S. Constitution will be out the window, regardless of how the American public feels about it.

leftism is more than simply a very serious mental illness, leftism receives total strength, and inspiration, and direction from Satan himself.

It won't be long, at the rate leftism is going, before the complete deceit of the entire world, including America and Israel, will take place.

If you don't believe this, then you obviously can't see the total deceit by the world leftist msm, for the very causes of leftism.

What is going to change this complete deceit, brainwashing by the world leftist msm?

The left will then finally see, that "it" was really not what they intended, but then it will be well past too late.

leftism,

/spit

Most of us have seen the Terminatior movies - so what's the problem?

We are facing legions of Terminators. And goons like these soft-in-the-head generals, don't want to have to think about it.

Seriously, it's like in "I Robot'.....we need to destroy the main system in order to pull the plug on these robots....but unlike the movie, then we need to crush the rogue varmints.

The Terminators are out to get us..be afraid...be very afraid..

#79 earth2moonbat

small clarification - McNamara was actually the guy at Ford who killed the Edsel. of course he then went to DoD and was responsible for the "TFX" - the "Edsel" of military aircraft projects. right idea, wrong time frame.

-S-

Lets see.....what are our choices in the ME for allies and/or gov'ts to support:

Israel: Democratic, tolerant, western, enlightened.

Syria: Thugocratic terrorist enabling regime

Saudi Arabia: Theocratic terrorist enabling regime

Egypt: Autocratic borderline islamist state

Jordan: Quasi-western monarchy with huge pro-terror

Lebanon: Hezbollah/Terrorist puppet state

Hamasistan: Terrorist savages

Yeah, I cant understand why the US would support Israel over those other countries either.

This is an excerpt from Halperin's Wikipedia entry.

Halperin, as Director of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) office in Washington, defended the right of the The Progressive magazine to publish details on how to construct an atomic bomb.

Halperin is George Soros' go to guy on US policy.

Charles:

What a coincidence that you used the term "trans-nationalist progressive."

I just clicked over to LGF after doing a web search using the terms "secular transnational professional class."

This was a term used by Michael Barone in the Wall Street Journal in an article about Ned Lament winning the primary in Connecticut.

The reaction of the Lefty Bloggers to the analysis that Ned Lament was propelled to victory by "the secular transnational professional class" is intense!

Baron really hit a nerve with that one. The reaction proves how true it is.

Contrary to the Left's central objection, I don't think you have to be rich to share the ethic of the "the secular transnational professional class." The MSM ubiquitously soft-sells the ideology for free everyday.

C&F mid august - Incoming

C&F mid july - Rock'em Sock'em
/feel free to jump in...

Here is another group of lefties that disagree with the President. It appears from what little I can find about them to be organized by Mort Halprin (Mort's Bio).

I guess if you want to find yourself in a world where Iran has nukes that can target Europe and other places, you can do nothing like the Clintonistas did with North Korea.

Wow - there is a sobering thought....nukes in the hands of the Mullahs. Yikes!

I am a retired military officer. While I disagree with these gentlemen, I spent 23 years of my life defending their right to free speech. They are idiots... but they have that right.

#71 Caliphornian

Whatever made people think these guys were anything but book-smart and life-stupid?

Good one! I might have to use this one from time to time.

These guys are just a bunch of educated derelicts.

#164

I am a retired military officer. While I disagree with these gentlemen, I spent 23 years of my life defending their right to free speech. They are idiots... but they have that right.

Steeldoc,
Not one person said that retired military officers do not have the right to free speech.However, being a retired military officer doesn't entitle a person to be free from criticism.

Seeing so many retired generals, who as it turns out are pacifists is as about as strange as listening to billionaire capitalists complain about profits.

This isn't a free speech issue at all. The question is why the media is so urgently pushing the agenda of Mort Halperin, the dumbest foreign policy 'expert' ever, on the rest of us.

Sometimes the editorial pages ought to rake these so called experts over the coals. Mort Halperin is a great test case. His policy advice to mulitple White House administrations has been incredibly stupid and contrary to American interests.

The sad part of this story is that Mort Halperin is a likely selection for John Kerry administration.

Well, so far the letter hasn't been released yet.

I'm wondering if the Democratic Party noticed Lt. Gen. Gard's attack on Bush for his "unabashedly pro-Israel stance," and realized in the nick of time just how that would backfire among Jewish voters. So I'll bet the letter is going to be delayed pending a soft-pedaling of the Israel issue.