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Azzam Tamimi Uncensored

Tue, Aug 15, 2006 at 8:32:32 pm PDT

LGF reader Alfred emailed a transcription of this video, featuring the Associated Press go-to guy, Azzam Tamimi, raving about jihad and destroying Israel.

... anybody in the world, with faith or without faith, must come together in order to eradicate this cancer from the body of humanity. [Crowd: Allah –u-Akbar] We are ever grateful to the late Imam Khomenei for starting this occasion. Because the world . . . must never forget al-Quds, must never forget Jerusalem. For us Muslims, Jerusalem is the mother of faith. Al-Quds is in our [argita?], Al-Quds is in our [rebota?] Al-Quds is the . . . cornerstone to our umma. Those who are prepared to sell al-Quds do not represent us, do not speak for us. Those who resist, those who fight, those who . . .jihad . . . against [?], against Zionism are the true representatives of the Palestinians, and all the Muslims regarding the Palestinian issue.

Do you know why Tony Blair, George Bush, and all the members of this camp are so worried? They are worried because they know the world can see clearly today that Israel is a menace, is a threat to humanity. They can no longer fool anybody and they are worried that this spoiled baby of theirs is about to be thrown out of this human body of ours. [Crowd: Allah –u-Akbar]

It is just a matter of time. You count my words and you remember these words. It is a matter of time, as they were removed from south Lebanon because of the great jihad of Hezbollah. [Crowd: Allah–u-Akbar] And as they are removed from Gaza because of the great jihad of Hamas and Islamic jihad. [Crowd: Allah –u-Akbar] This black chapter in the history of humanity will eventually come to an end and we say, we say we are willing to bring it to an end peacefully. But if they don’t want peace, we have another language, we have another language, and we have every right to use that language and time will tell and history will tell. [Timimi and the crowd: Allah –u-Akbar]

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1 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:34:50pm

Speaking of videos:

Fox News just showed five of my pictures on the Brit Hume show, in the "Grapevine" segment. For the moment, at least, it is visible on the Web!:

zombie pix on Brit Hume show.

There are two short segments before they get to mine: a poll about Americans recognizing fictional characters more than real people, and then a politician who used a slur; THEN at about a minute and a half into the clip, they do a report about the ANSWER rallies, illustrated with five of my pictures, each of which the anchorman Jim Angle described in detail. He actually says the phrase "Nazi kikes out of Lebanon"!

Amazing.

Not sure how long it will remain linkable online. Probably until tomorrow at least. I wish I had a way to record it!

Last time, Hannity & Colmes contacted me to get official permission to use my pix; this time, they didn't get any permission at all -- they just nabbed 'em off the Web.

2 paint-right  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:35:05pm

They only project , always

3 Da_Beerfreak  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:35:40pm

War is on the way.
It will come down to us or them.

4 Stuck in california  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:35:54pm
It is just a matter of time.

Yes it is, shithead.

5 MandyManners  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:36:06pm

I thought that the Koran didn't even mention Jerusalem.

6 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:36:21pm

Oh, and ON-topic:

I saw this Azzam Tamimi clip a while ago. It was nauseating!

I can't believe he's considered a legitimate "pundit."

7 rickl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:36:31pm

Two words:

Targeted assassination.

8 tradewind  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:39:18pm

And the NYTimes signs on as PR flack for Hiz'bollah.
/retch/

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

9 rickl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:39:19pm

I've said it before and I'll say it again: Any Muslim leader or imam who preaches jihad needs to have an "accident". And any mosque found with stockpiled weapons needs to be destroyed. Anywhere in the world.

10 eLoser  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:39:38pm

#1 zombie:

did they at least palm you a fin in your tip jar?

remind them (& us) plz - is it zombie -at- amazon?

11 paint-right  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:41:39pm

Whatever Islamicists say that others do, is a perfect description of what they do. In this case, if you substitute Islam for Israel, then it is about right.
for example: "They are worried because they know the world can see clearly today that Israel is a menace, is a threat to humanity."

Should read : " The Islamofascists are worried, because they know the whole world can see clearly today that Islam is a menace, a threat to humanity.

See what I mean?

/way to go, Zombie

12 Beagle  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:41:40pm

Hadji Girl

I was out in the sands of Iraq
And we were under attack
And I, well, I didn’t know where to go.
And the first think I could see was
Everybody’s favorite Burger King
So I threw open the door and I hit the floor.
Then suddenly to my surprise
I looked up and I saw her eyes
And I knew it was love at first sight.
And she said

Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah

Hadji girl I can’t understand what you’re saying.
And she said
Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad
Sherpa Sherpa Bak Allah
Hadji girl I love you anyway.
...


"Dirka dirka Mohammed jihad," indeed.

13 Orbit Rain  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:42:50pm

" But if they don’t want peace, we have another language, we have another language, and we have every right to use that language and time will tell and history will tell. "

...right back at ya asshole...

14 FrogMarch  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:42:51pm

Hitler, is that you?

15 rickl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:43:00pm
#1 zombie


Congratulations!

Last time, Hannity & Colmes contacted me to get official permission to use my pix; this time, they didn't get any permission at all -- they just nabbed 'em off the Web.


Uh...I guess.

16 ProUSA  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:43:05pm
It is just a matter of time. You count my words and you remember these words. It is a matter of time, as they were removed from south Lebanon because of the great jihad of Hezbollah.

Yeah right.

If it wasn't for the cease fire that Israel foolishly agreed to, the great jihad of Hebollah would be an insignificant footnote in history.

How long until the Hezzies screw up by intentionally killing UN personnel or otherwise violate the cease fire? At that time, I hope Israel takes off the gloves and pounds Lebanon into the state of destruction previously falsely reported by the MSM.

17 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:44:27pm
#10 eLoser
#1 zombie:

did they at least palm you a fin in your tip jar?

remind them (& us) plz - is it zombie -at- amazon?

Nope -- they didn't give me a cent.

My tip jar (you're embarrassing me here) is: go to Paypal, then hit the "send money" tab and enter my account which is zombie at zombietime dot com.

I generally only use it to get "donations" from broadcasters or companies that want to re-use my stuff; the money goes to site upkeep.

18 Doss  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:48:07pm

Play the video, but listen to it with your eyes closed. The slight echo and the non-professional audio makes it sound like Hitler giving a speech.

19 arier_Tzvi  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:49:31pm

my memory must be going.
didnt Islam steal Jerusalem from the Jews?
Didnt they erect a so called Holy shrine on Temple Mount?
They did this so that no religion will be able to take back Jerusalem. Technically Jerusalem is still in their hands.
The only way for Jews and Christians to take back Jerusalem is hit the Islamic site as they did to us 5,000 years ago with the help of the Romans. Israel and the Jews will use the Help of the New Romans being the British and the Americans to re conquer Temple Mount so that Jews can take it back and correct a shameful wrong doing.
Zionism and Judaism will be around for quite awhile.
Islam and All Arabs should get used to this Idea. We arent going anywhere.

20 surrounded  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:49:37pm

In order to wipe out Hizbollah, Israel would have to kill 99% of the Lebanese population.
9 out of 10 Muslims prefer Terror to Peace.

21 aaron's rantblog  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:49:38pm

Imam Khomeini started it and Dhimmi Carter was the enthusiastic OB/Gyn.

22 tradewind  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:50:05pm

#16, proam,

Naw, you got it all wrong there**.... the wonderful Hezzies are the new AllState guys, wandering among the rubble clipboards in hand, taking notes, getting estimates. They will build you a better weapons repository home than the one you lost, Sayid, and all paid for out of the donations from CAIR and collections from American mosques goodness of Iran Hezbollah Hearts.

** sarc alert

23 paint-right  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:50:17pm

"This black chapter in the history of humanity will eventually come to an end and we say, we say we are willing to bring it to an end peacefully"

Would that entail submission and the jizya?

Other than conversion to Islam, I haven't heard any peace "intiatives" from the Islamic terrorists anywhere ever.

"Come to think of it , that "we say we say" is all you need to understand, How revealing! ( Wink wink, nudge nudge)

You say you say, but you don't really.

24 gymnast  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:51:02pm

Seems that the followers of Mohammed's schizoid "religion" need to prove their "piety" by appearing to be as psychopathic as Mo was. It also seems that this boy, Tamimi, besides being totally stark raving batshit nuts (to use a professional clinical description of his myriad afflictions, minus the evidence of the neurological damage from his hereditary and acquired syphilis) has scant regard for the proper place of Mecca in the pantheon of Islam.

25 kite_eating_tree  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:52:02pm
For us Muslims, Jerusalem is the mother of faith.

Jerusalem is mentioned in the bible over 700 times. It is never mentioned in the Koran--not once. Some sneaky Caliph built a mosque on the temple mount many years after their so-called prophet died and went to hell and named it "The Last Mosque". So now all those arabs who supposedly know their history (we know how clear their historical perspective can be)believe their so-called prohet went riding on a winged horse in Jerusalem. Well, most of you probably know all this, I'll stop giving you the history. Charles has some great links explain it to those of you who are not familiar.

*sigh*

26 jimmy the infidel  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:52:08pm

Deluded, whiny little moonbat, ain't he?

It is a matter of time, as they were removed from south Lebanon because of the great jihad of Hezbollah.

Um, no, they removed themselves from Lebanon, both in 2000 and now in 2006 of their own free will after pressure from the int'l community

And as they are removed from Gaza because of the great jihad of Hamas and Islamic jihad.

Nope. Again, they chose to remove themselves from Gaza last year. And then they returned. And if they feel like it, they make chose to leave again, despite what you Islamonazis believe.

This black chapter in the history of humanity will eventually come to an end and we say, we say we are willing to bring it to an end peacefully.

Taqiyya, we say, we say.

27 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:53:42pm

And this islamic fascist happens to be a prominent member of muslim institutions the British respect (or fear).

28 Maui Girl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:53:54pm

Any guesses as to what that "other" language might be?

29 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:53:54pm

Zombie,

That's copyright infringement. The very least they can do is send you a clip of the segment!

30 jimmy the infidel  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:53:55pm

PIMF: they may choose to leave again

31 solomonpanting  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:54:22pm

#5 MandyManners
I thought that the Koran didn't even mention Jerusalem.

Correct. It's not mentioned at least a thousand times.

32 kite_eating_tree  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:56:03pm

under "resources" on the left of the lgf main page. many hours of good reading

33 Aegius  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:56:05pm

Israel a threat to humanity? A cancer? Israel only has about 5 million people in it and it is about the size of New Jersey.

Israelis just want to be left alone in peace.

Muslims keep declaring war on Israel and declare war on countries around the globe, because they wish to subjugate non-Muslims. The fact that they are at a lower status in the world than non-Muslims drives them crazy.

The fact that non-Muslim nations(USA, Israel, Australia) have built greater civilizations than they ever did in a relatively brief period of time drives them crazy.

Maybe they should try to emulate the nations that outdid them rather than seek to destroy these nations. Nah, that would require some common sense and brains that most Muslims lack.

34 kite_eating_tree  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:58:05pm

If you look at some "modern" Korans they actually do mention Jerusalem. And they distribute them to all the Paleostinian girls and boys.

35 rickl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:58:20pm

#17 zombie

Done!

36 Shredstar  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 6:59:44pm

Tonight's CNN Terorrist Suggestion (#14) is to cut out some kind of plastic explosives in the shape of your shoe's inner-sole and put it in your shoe. This way, today's X-Ray machines and the boarding search techniques in use today will not detect it. CNN advises that this is enough explosives to substantially damage the plane.

The guy's presentation was kind of sloppy - they should get Martha Stewart to present these Islamofascist Terrorist craft projects.

This is getting beyond ridiculous. Of course the guy helping out in the segment was some guy in the business of selling checkpoint X-Ray equipment. Sure, the shoe-bomber is old news, but still...

37 infopimp  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:00:50pm

Zombie: Time to start watermarking your photos.

38 Aegius  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:07:47pm

Forgot to mention one of Freud's defense mechanism: Projection.

That is essentially what this lying, piece of trash is doing.

His ilk is the cancer, not Israel.

His ilk is the threat to humanity, not Israel.

He opposes peace and not Israel.

39 jimmy the infidel  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:11:50pm

WP: Hezbollah Balk at Withdrawal

BEIRUT, Aug. 15 - Hezbollah refused to disarm and withdraw its fighters from the battle-scarred hills along the border with Israel on Tuesday, threatening to delay deployment of the Lebanese army and endangering a fragile cease-fire.

The makings of a compromise emerged from all-day meetings in Beirut, according to senior officials involved in the negotiations, and Prime Minister Fouad Siniora scheduled a cabinet session Wednesday for what he hoped would be formal approval of the deal. Hezbollah indicated it would be willing to pull back its fighters and weapons in exchange for a promise from the army not to probe too carefully for underground bunkers and weapons caches, the officials said.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

This should come as no surprise.

40 scathach  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:12:02pm

I have been looking at great quotes tonight about war and peace. I found these from a reporter (yes, I said reporter) named Dorothy Thompson who was expelled from Nazi Germany for her pre-war negative coverage of Hitler:

They have not wanted Peace at all; they have wanted to be spared war -- as though the absence of war was the same as peace.

When liberty is taken away by force it can be restored by force. When it is relinquished voluntarily by default it can never be recovered.

Peace has to be created, in order to be maintained. It is the product of Faith, Strength, Energy, Will, Sympathy, Justice, Imagination, and the triumph of principle. It will never be achieved by passivity and quietism.

It is not the fact of liberty but the way in which liberty is exercised that ultimately determines whether liberty itself survives.

41 jmg6160  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:13:31pm

There are people that say if only Israel would withdraw from the West Bank and other "Occupied" areas, that there would be peace. They must be shown statements like Azzam Timimis'. Also Arafat (the ugliest former "leader" in the world) used to say "from the river (Jordan) to the sea", when he talked in Arabic to his people about what occupied land he meant to take back. "Land for Peace" is code for all of Israel. It's a pity that most of the world does not understand this simple fact.

42 massachusetts republican  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:15:24pm

blah blah blah

mo-slum lies. commie lies.

bomb them

43 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:20:11pm

#16 ProUSA 8/15/2006 08:43PM PDT

How long until the Hezzies screw up by intentionally killing UN personnel or otherwise violate the cease fire? At that time, I hope Israel takes off the gloves and pounds Lebanon into the state of destruction previously falsely reported by the MSM.

someone was saying that earlier on fox forget who but they were not reffering to hezzbo's last chance they were refering to lebanons last chance

44 Slap Shot  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:23:58pm

And THAT was just the CNN bureau chief in Syria.

45 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:27:41pm
Do you know why Tony Blair, George Bush, and all the members of this camp are so worried? They are worried because they know the world can see clearly today that Israel is a menace, is a threat to humanity. They can no longer fool anybody and they are worried that this spoiled baby of theirs is about to be thrown out of this human body of ours.

Sorry to you unbelievers. You'll need to skip on by this. This is setting up beautifully for the believers. Watch Jerusalem - it's the key to everything. And though Israel is going to go through some very tough times, it's not going anywhere. And the golden dome will rest with a Jewish Temple on top. Guaranteed!

46 Mr Krabs  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:31:38pm

Goerge Bush today... "We must defeat this EXTREMIST GROUP OF FOLKS"

The US has it's future in the hands of this man. Good luck.

47 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:33:04pm

#46 Mr Krabs

What is wrong with what he said?

48 kathyn  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:33:11pm

I watched the complete, unedited Mike Wallace interview with Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on C-Span. Mr. Ahmadinnerjacket is one scary, yet skillful liar. He managed to skirt around every question Wallace asked. It gave me the creeps the way he was so condescendingly smiling most of the time. He mentioned that the world would know Iran's answer to the world's questions about their nuclear program on August 22. (This conjures up terrifying visions.)

Tamimi is cut from the same piece of cloth. (It's a might big piece of cloth, btw.)

49 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:33:50pm

just seen zombies pictures on fox

50 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:36:02pm

Sarah D.

I understand congratulations are in order.

!Congratulations!

;)

51 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:37:44pm

Zombie
They are own your pictures, but it's not hard to copyright and/or watermark them. It's possible to make them un-clickable (there are way-rounds though) and to log the ID's of copiers.

/just sayin...

52 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:41:48pm

51 cbinflux,

Actually, Zombie owns a copyright in his/her pictures automatically, even without taking any steps. That said, it is always advisable to place a copyright symbol on the work with the year of the copyright and name of the copyright holder (which, presumably, could blow Zombie's identity).

53 MSMediaCritic  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:42:27pm

Zombie,

I have a message for you from Brit Hume:

All your pictures are belong to us!

54 dennisw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:42:36pm

This parasite Azzam Tamimi lives the good life in UK with millions of other Muslims but doesn't want Jews living in Israel. Fuck you Tamimi!

Not to mention the millions of other Muslims living in Europe, USA, Canada, Australia

55 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:44:23pm

zombie

re: Fox using your stuff.

Doesn't your website say "All photos and text Copyright zombie 2006" or somesuch on each page?

Copyright is easy. You don't need an attorney. Just read up here, for example.

Major media should not use your stuff for free. You're saving them a ton of $$.

56 Mr Krabs  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:45:35pm

He used the term "folks" just after 9/11. I would have thought that word would be better used to describe friends and family, it sounds rediculous to me.
Then again, GW is closer to grasping the situation now more than most politicians out there, so probably it's best ignore his cowboy-speak for now hey.

57 Sarah D.  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:45:57pm

#50 Irene NYC

Thank you!

/Still not used to the idea, but I'm really enjoying the getting used to part.

58 nyc10012  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:45:59pm

OT - another youtube video worth looking at


British medical student turns jihadi


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6FXDGpKJQQ

59 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:46:52pm

#52 abu maven
I'm not a copyright lawyer, but (I did stay at a HI Express) I work with a few and have dabbled.

I doubt that millions of people are needlessly copyrighting/trademarking their works for shits-n-giggles. I really doubt that anything that any one of us puts out into the public domain without copyrighting the work can enforce any rights afterwards.

60 jmg6160  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:48:28pm

#48

It gave me the creeps the way he was so condescendingly smiling most of the time.

Thats the smile of a man that thinks he's fooling everyone and is so arrogant he really believes you buy his bull.
There is a Juan (forget his last name) guy that is always talking about illegal immigration and how we are too upset about it. That it's harmless etc. He smiles like that and says "my friend" alot. It's just as creepy.

61 SpartanWoman  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:49:10pm

#48 kathyn
I think Mike Wallace was almost as creepy as dinnerjacket. The interview was bad and drooling, but to avoid all discussion of the atrocity that is Iran (while allowing a murderer to be so very sad about US healtcare) was more frightening and surreal than anything I've seen lately.

More and more everyday, I wonder if Israel and jews will be allowed to survive. It's tremendously depressing.

62 mattm  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:50:23pm

I wish the MSM would air this on the national evening news and ask why Muslims don't comdem this. It is was shown on CBS or NBC it would have a lot of people shocked.

63 Tasty_Beverage  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:51:37pm

#5 MAndyManners

I thought that the Koran didn't even mention Jerusalem.

It doesn't. Not even once.

64 Joseph  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:51:40pm

OT: here's msnbc quoting a neighbor of one of the London 23 describing a suspect's brother as a great kid.

Nazam’s description of Rauf, who was arrested Thursday, matches that of many suspects in the alleged plot: friendly, young men whom neighbors and friends have difficulty imagining in the role of terrorist... He moved to Pakistan shortly after his maternal uncle was stabbed to death in April 2002. Rashid Rauf was reportedly a suspect in that murder, and police raided his Birmingham home as part of the homicide probe.
65 SpartanWoman  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:55:07pm

Thats the smile of a man that thinks he's fooling everyone and is so arrogant he really believes you buy his bull.


Well I'm afraid that many will buy "buy" the bull and will be delighted to see that he is so reasonable and caring about the US uninsured. Wallace has engaged in the ugliest propaganda imaginable and has made a nice man out of a would-be Hitler. Wallace is complicit in the attempted murder of his own people, by smiling andlaughing with this killer. If there is a hell, I hope there is a special place for him and for the rest of the willing media.

66 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:56:13pm

Aint. Fluckin. Skeered.

/Try this shiite hezbullshiite in the USA.

67 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 7:58:09pm

#58 nyc
...ever hear any more of the recent pediatrician shooter in Galveston/Houston?

BTW, the one guy on the video sounds like Ali G.!

68 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:00:35pm

59 cbinflux,

That's not true. And I am a copyright lawyer.

69 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:02:14pm

Memorandum:

To all islamic fascists:

Cease and descist.

Signed,

The entire Western Population
/with of course the exception of George
the kitty kat Galloway.

70 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:03:51pm

59 cbinflux,

Just to clarify, in the US, the copyright is automatically created at the moment the work is fixed into a tangible medium. Under the modern Copyright Act (1976), the main advantage of using the copyright symbol is to avoid the defense of innocent infringement, which goes only towards damages, not liability.

71 Frank_Mtl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:04:37pm

#39 jimmy the infidel

Thanks for the link :

a promise from the army not to probe too carefully for underground bunkers and weapons caches, the officials said.


Room to manoeuver, I like.

72 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:04:50pm

Abu maven
Did too!
Holiday Inn Express Hotel & Suites
PLEASANT PRAIRIE / KENOSHA

p.s. if all you say is true:
* #55 is BS, and throwin' money down a rathole
* you must be starvin'

73 Allah al Fubar  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:04:52pm

Jesus is coming.

And man, is HE PISSED.

74 DistantThunder  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:05:10pm

Sociopaths smile as a technique to get other people to drop their defenses. Gavin DeBecker wrote the "Gift of Fear' and describes this disarming technique.

Bad guy....really bad guy.....and people without good character.....and the super naive, are the most susceptilbe to these folks.

It's why Bill Clinton fell for Ara-fart: his poor character (socialized sociopath) couldn't discern how evil Ara-fart really was - (pbuh - in hell).

Liberals don't believe in evil - unless it's named Bush or Jesus Christ.


It's time for Americans to put on armbands that say - We are with the Jews. Those that are unwilling to do so - will be letting us know who they are.

75 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:06:32pm
#55 Irene NYC

zombie

re: Fox using your stuff.

Doesn't your website say "All photos and text Copyright zombie 2006" or somesuch on each page?

Copyright is easy. You don't need an attorney. Just read up here, for example.

Major media should not use your stuff for free. You're saving them a ton of $$.

No, I purposely don't have a notice on my site. As #52 Abu Maven says, the copyright is automatic.

#51 cbinflux

it's not hard to copyright and/or watermark them. It's possible to make them un-clickable (there are way-rounds though) and to log the ID's of copiers.

You vastly overestimate my technical skills and free time. I barely -- just barely -- have enough time, energy and expertise even just getting them online. Stuff like watermarks and fancy codes to prevent or monitor copying -- fugeddaboutit.

Irene: it is a bit galling that Fox can use my "content," show it to tens of millions of people in order to boost their ratings, and earn a hunkload of money, and they not pay me a dime or even notify me. However, I got myself into this and am the victim of my own success. You see, everybody, I purposely allow anyone and everyone to copy my pictures and repost them on their blogs or small sites or whatever. That's been going on ever since I posted my first pictures. I went into this with the philosophy: I'm not doing this to make money, or accrue personal glory. I'm doing it to "get the word out," to educate the public about what's really going on.

So when other blogs copied my pictures, or stole them without attribution, I was secretly pleased, because my goal was being acheived. And it was fine when it was limited to nonprofit blogs, and similar sites.

But as time has passed, little by little the major media players have started to take notice, and used my stuff in for-profit corporate settings. And that's something I never really expected or prepared for. So, now what do I do? I certainly can't sue anyone, using a pseudonym. The truth is, Fox and anybody else can just steal my pictures willy-nilly and I can't do a damn thing about it, copyright or no copyright.

I'll just have to get used to it: become an unpaid staff photographer and cameraman for the MSM. If that's what it takes for them to show the content I want them to show, then so be it.

My payment will be hearing the words "Nazi kike" coming out the mouth of a MSM news anchorman, attributed to the American Left. That's payment greater than gold.

76 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:07:36pm

72 cbinflux,

Why do you say 55 is "bs"?

77 Hucbald  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:07:40pm

Admittedly, I could only stomach about 1/3 of that video. But that's OK. I've seen it all before. I'm sure I'll see it again.

Simple: Islam is the Ishamaelite re-writing of history to replace G-d's promise to Abraham's seed through Sarah (Isaac/Jacob/Israel) with the line through Hagar (Ishmael).

Of course, this line of Ishmaelites WOULD NOT EXIST but for Abram's and Sarai's lack of faith in G-d's promise (Sarai gave Abram her EGYPTIAN SLAVE GIRL to have a child with, and so it was her idea, but Abram had enough doubt to ascede to her request).

A Biblical case of "what goes around comes around."

You know, I get the distinct impression that going against G-d is... well... terminally stupid.

Enemies of Iasrael are enemies of G-d, by the way. I mean, from the... erm... "Horse's" mouth and all.

So, I'd suggest we all straighten up and fly right. Or die ignominious deaths. Like all them there A-rabs we 'been icin' for the past few years.

The musical monk ends this days lesson. Adieu.

78 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:07:48pm

Zombie
Slap from free cirle C's all over, on and around those pics.

79 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:08:43pm

pimf
some free

80 Trey Stone  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:10:07pm

while the Israelis have proven willing to negotiate over territory in the past, they'll never negotiate away Jerusalem. rightly so, when they regard it is their holiest city and don't want it to fall into the hands of Hamas-type fanatics.

what makes this hysteria more disgusting is the fact that i saw a short clip of Tamimi on NBC Nightly News, and he seemed to be putting on a "moderate" face. Western powers can't be naive about moderate Muslims -- they do exist, but they're not nearly as widespread as people seem to think, and then you got people like Tamimi who preach jihad only with their fellow jihadis.

81 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:11:43pm

75 zombie,

The copyright is automatic, but it is still advisable to use the copyright symbol.

With regard to protecting your identity, why not set up a corporation to hold all of your IP? I don't do that kind of work, but I imagine you can protect your identity in that way. If you need to enforce your rights, the corporation will be the plaintiff. Admittedly, if a case ever proceeded to discovery, you'd have a tough time shielding your identity, but most cases don't get that far...

82 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:12:07pm

#76 abu maven, esq

b/c it clearly tells folks to pay their $45.

[Link: www.copyright.gov...]
[Link: www.copyright.gov...]
...

Regards,
Squire cbinflux

83 Carridine  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:14:48pm

Speaking of audios (we weren't, K) one of these was sparked by Thanos, about 90 minutes ago in a previous thread; one by the insightful Dr Sanity and one as an invitation to join in the Green Ghoul takedown! MP3s here...

Karridine

84 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:17:48pm

cbinflux,

From the Copyright Office website:


Copyright Secured Automatically upon Creation

The way in which copyright protection is secured is frequently misunderstood. No publication or registration or other action in the Copyright Office is required to secure copyright. (See following note.) There are, however, certain definite advantages to registration. See “Copyright Registration.”

Copyright is secured automatically when the work is created, and a work is “created” when it is fixed in a copy or phonorecord for the first time.

[Link: www.copyright.gov...]

85 RadicalRon  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:17:54pm
We are ever grateful to the late Imam Khomenei . . . .

And here's one of the most important reasons to be grateful.

86 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:18:15pm

#75 zombie

My payment will be hearing the words "Nazi kike" coming out the mouth of a MSM news anchorman, attributed to the American Left. That's payment greater than gold.

My prayer: From your fingertips to America's eyes and ears... God Bless You, your work and your beautiful spirit

87 Carridine  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:32:12pm

#73- Fubar: the Righteousness that is Christ has returned, and He notes that His 'John the Baptist', Who came May 23, 1844, was KILLED by Muslim firing squad after the Muslim imams tried to duck responsibility by having an Armenian Christian regiment kill Him, but all 750 rifle-balls MISSED at point-blank range...

So the Lord of Hosts graciously informed the Muslim world, from His Muslim-provided prison cell in the Holy Land, that "...a grievous retribution awaits you..." as they "...taste ye, what your hands have wrought!"

And make no mistake about it, the Holy One singled out America for special praise!

88 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:32:37pm

#84 abu maven

"However" alone ensures that anyone who bites on that (w/o a lawyer) is a fool (IMHO), and that you'll never go hungry. (1 in any town

Not to be a contard, but:

LAW & LAWYER
[Link: www.twainquotes.com...]
[Link: www.twainquotes.com...]

I believe you keep a lawyer. I have always kept a lawyer, too, though I have never made anything out of him. It is a service to an author to have a lawyer. There is something so disagreeable in having a personal contact with a publisher. So it is better to work through a lawyer--and lose your case.
- Mark Twains Speeches, "Author's Club"
To succeed in other trades, capacity must be shown; in the law, concealment of it will do.
- Following the Equator
They all laid their heads together like as many lawyers when they are gettin' ready to prove that a man's heirs ain't got any right to his property.
- Thomas Jefferson Snodgrass letter, Keokuk Saturday Post, Nov. 1, 1856
Heaven knows insanity was disreputable enough, long ago; but now that the lawyers have got to cutting every gallows rope and picking every prison lock with it, it is become a sneaking villainy that ought to hang and keep on hanging its sudden possessors until evil-doers should conclude that the safest plan was to never claim to have it until they came by it legitimately. The very calibre of the people the lawyers most frequently try to save by the insanity subterfuge ought to laugh the plea out of the courts, one would think.
- "Unburlesquable Things," The Galaxy Magazine, July 1870
Lawyers are like other people--fools on the average; but it is easier for an ass to succeed in that trade than any other.
-quoted in Sam Clemens of Hannibal, Dixon Wecter
Those people....early stricken of God, intellectually--the departmental interpreters of the laws in Washington...can always be depended on to take any reasonably good law and interpret the common sense all out of it.
- Unmailed letter to H. C. Christiancy, 12/18/1887
We have an insanity plea that would have saved Cain.
- 4th of July speech, 1873
Really, what we want now, is not laws against crime, but a law against insanity.
- "A New Crime"
If we only had some God in the country's laws, instead of being in such a sweat to get him into the Constitution, it would be better all around.
- Letter to W. D. Howells, 9/18/1875
The laws of Nature, that is to say the laws of God, plainly made every human being a law unto himself, we must steadfastly refuse to obey those laws, and we must as steadfastly stand by the conventions which ignore them, since the statutes furnish us peace, fairly good government, and stability, and therefore are better for us than the laws of God, which would soon plunge us into confusion and disorder and anarchy if we should adopt them.
- Mark Twain in Eruption
In this topsy-turvy, crazy, illogical world, Man has made laws for himself. He has fenced himself round with them, mainly with the idea of keeping communities together, and gain for the strongest. No woman was consulted in the making of laws. And nine-tenths of the people who are daily obeying--or fighting against--Nature's laws, have no real opinion. Opinion means deduction, after weighing the matter, and deep thought upon it. They simply echo feeling, because for generations forbears have laid something down as an axiom. They do not investigate or weigh for themselves. The axiom of the forbears was, 'It is immoral to follow God's law, unless bound by man's law and a wedding ring.'
- quoted in Mark Twain on Three Weeks, Elinor Glyn
It would not be possible for Noah to do in our day what he was permitted to do in his own...The inspector would come and examine the Ark, and make all sorts of objections.
- "About All Kinds of Ships," 1892
...the administration of the law can never go lax where every individual sees to it that it grows not lax in his own case, or in cases which fall under his eyes.
- Mark Twain's Notebook
89 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:40:04pm

My point all along has been that Zombie owns the copyright in his/her pictures as soon as those pictures are created, without doing anything else.

What's a contard?

90 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:40:19pm
91 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:42:42pm
92 DistantThunder  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:46:00pm

To all Islamists ala Tamimi - I too refuse to kneel - (inspired by this mother at the Beslan Massacre)

Larisa felt fury. She would not let him die. She shouted at a terrorist across the room. "We need water and bandages!" she said. No one answered. She shouted again. She was breaking rules. The terrorist approached. "Why are you yelling?" he said.

"I need bandages," she said.

"Are you the bravest person here, or the smartest?" he said. "We will check. "His voice turned sharp: " Stand up!”

Bolloyev grabbed her shirt. "Do not go," he said. Larisa slipped free and stood, and the terrorist shoved her with his rifle toward a corner where confiscated cameras and phones had been piled and smashed.

"What are you doing?" she demanded.

He ordered her to kneel. "No," she said.

For this Bolloyev had been shot. "I told you," he said. "Get on your knees."

"No," she said.

For a moment they faced each other, the terrorist and the mother, locked in mental battle. She looked into his mask; freckles were visible near his eyes. A hush fell over the gym. The hostages had seen Betrozov's murder. Now came Larisa's turn. The terrorist raised his The terrorist raised his Kalashnikov, past her chest, past her face, stopping at her forehead. He pressed the muzzle against her brow. Larisa felt the circle of steel on her skin.

Bolloyev propped himself on an elbow. Larisa's children looked on. She reached up, grasped the barrel, and moved it away. "What kind of spectacle are you playing here, and in front of whom?" she snapped. "There are women and children here who are already scared.”

The terrorist paused. Thinking quickly, she tried to convince him that Ossetians were not enemies of Chechens, a difficult task, given that enmity between Ossetians, a Christian people with a history of fidelity to Moscow, and the Islamic Chechens and Ingush, who have long been persecuted, is deep. "Your children rest in our sanatoriums," she said. "Your women give birth here.”

"Not our wives and children," the terrorist said. "They are the spawn of Kadyrov."

The word stung. Kadyrov—the surname of former rebels who aligned with Russia and became the Kremlin's proxies. The separatists despised them with a loathing reserved for traitors. Larisa was stumped. Abdullah had been rushing across the gym; he stepped beside them. "What is happening here?" he said.

"This guy wants to execute me because I asked for water and bandages for the wounded," she said. Abdullah studied the two: his young gunman, the woman who stared him down.

"There is nothing for you here," he said. "Go back and sit down and shut up.”

She pointed to his bloodied arm. "Your arm is bandaged," she said. "Give me some of those bandages.”

"You did not understand me?" he said. "There is nothing for you here. Go back and sit down and shut up.”

Larisa returned to her place. Her children stared at her. Bolloyev lay back down. His lips were violet, his forehead coated in sweat. His death could not be far away. She was enraged.

93 DistantThunder  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:46:58pm

Con't - from the Esquire article - The School

94 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:48:45pm

#75 zombie

You said it yourself. You never expected for-profits to use your work. In light of the fact that they are, you are within your rights to charge as you see fit for the reproduction of your work. So, for example, you would charge nothing for non-profit ventures (so long as you are credited) and charge market price for for-profit ventures. The point to putting something on each page is to give notice to people that you are enforcing your copyright. How you enforce it is up to you. Here's one option (I'm just writing this up quickly, but you get the idea.)

You are free to reproduce photographs and text found on this website for non-commercial purposes as defined by the IRS. If you would like to purchase permission to reproduce photos and/or text found on this website for commercial purposes, please contact _________.

95 rayra[deleted]  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:50:32pm
96 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:51:42pm

zombie

Oh, and zombie. Don't forget you have a LOT of friends on the www. If Fox doesn't treat you with respect, the blogosphere will get on their case pronto!

;)

97 km  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:52:59pm

OT

I was looking for a video clip I think it was called

'yallah ya Nasrallah'

It had IDF forces doing their stuff.

Anybody have a link to it.

98 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:55:59pm

#97 km

Here's Yalla Ya Nasrallah on YouTube. Just click on confirm.

;)

99 km  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:57:01pm

Thanks Irene :-))

100 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 8:58:42pm
#94 Irene NYC
You are free to reproduce photographs and text found on this website for non-commercial purposes as defined by the IRS. If you would like to purchase permission to reproduce photos and/or text found on this website for commercial purposes, please contact _________.

Well, there are actually reasons why I don't want to have a notice like that. If I am explicitly offering my photos for "purchase," then my site could legally be viewed as a commercial enterprise by the IRS, and suddenly it gets complicated, as then zombietime becomes a real business. If, on the other hand, everything is done unofficially, or not as a tit-for-tat transaction, then it's a different story. Sort of like how nonprofits ask for a "voluntary donation" to go to their events. If a commercial site uses my matertial, and then out of the goodness of their hearts makes a "donation" to my account, which is used exclusively to pay the hosting bills, then it doesn't really count as a "business."

For now, I'll just let things be sloppy and unofficial. Really, it's more work than it's worth. I should just count myself lucky that the world wants to see my pictures, when 99.9% of the stuff on the Web is seen by only friends and family of the blogger doing it.

101 Spiny Norman  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:05:50pm

Carlos Mencia has a reply for the Screaming Tamimi.

102 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:07:00pm

zombie

Obviously, you know what makes you comfortable in your work.

May I just gently suggest that you contact Fox and point out to them that it might be in their best interest to make a donatation from time to time because then you could dedicate more time getting super fantastic photos that they could show their viewers and less time earning money to fund the website. Hint. Hint.

I really admire your work and wish you all the best.

;)

103 rsquare  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:09:05pm

Just got out of a 2.5 year legal proceeding with a crazy artist over copyright.
I know more about it than I ever wanted to know.
The pix were zombie's while they were still in the camera.
Zombie can't start up a corporation to copyright them without revealing his/her identity, due to the fact that corporations are supposed to be transparent, or relatively so.

Abu Maven, could Zombie set the pix up in a trust administered by a public figure or organization,like, say Charles or LGF?

I don't know that much about it, but I do know that with the use of the pix, fox news should ensure that zombietime news NEVER EVER runs out of funds, EVER.

BTW, great pix Zombie


rsquare

104 Irene NYC  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:09:52pm

zombie

I have a possible story idea for you. Is there any place I can send it?

105 little old engineer  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:10:29pm

Muslim terrorist or Islamic fascists


One does not have to be a Buddhist or Hindu or even a Christian to know what hate does to the body of a person.


I watch my grandmother cause her left leg to die because of hate that was in her. She did not live long when the hate started consuming her.


I know in my heart that hate can only lead to destruction. These people are teaching their hatred to their children and to the world. They are hoping that the world will take up this banner of HATE. It can only lead to the destruction of those people. I have seen what happens to people that take on that type of rage that is build on HATE. They become less then human – they become so angry because the hatred in them becomes all consuming.


Yes they can cause a lot of trouble in the world and will.


We as Americans can not let hatred destroy Israel.


It would mean that we do not deserve the freedoms we have. If we stand by and let Israel be destroyed. Then we as American people would take that hatred and turn it in on ourselves.


WE WOULD DIE.


I have to believe that the people that are running this world would know that.


We are 300 million people that LOVE our Children and wish the best for them. Here we have 5 or 6 million people that wish for peace and they Love their Children. We can not let Hate destroy them.

106 Cognito Primoris  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:12:49pm

#101 Spiny Norman

I've been looking for that video since I saw the whole show in the spring!

Dittos Carlos! That's a man who has it together.

107 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:13:26pm


#94 Irene NYC 8/15/2006 10:48PM PDT

#75 zombie

You said it yourself. You never expected for-profits to use your work. In light of the fact that they are, you are within your rights to charge as you see fit for the reproduction of your work. So, for example, you would charge nothing for non-profit ventures (so long as you are credited) and charge market price for for-profit ventures. The point to putting something on each page is to give notice to people that you are enforcing your copyright. How you enforce it is up to you. Here's one option (I'm just writing this up quickly, but you get the idea.)

You are free to reproduce photographs and text found on this website for non-commercial purposes as defined by the IRS. If you would like to purchase permission to reproduce photos and/or text found on this website for commercial purposes, please contact _________.


and i bet someone here or elsewhere can make you a watermark with your web url in it kinda like getty pictures then to not use the watermark they have to hit your tip jar.

108 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:17:05pm
#102 Irene NYC
May I just gently suggest that you contact Fox and point out to them that it might be in their best interest to make a donatation from time to time because then you could dedicate more time getting super fantastic photos that they could show their viewers and less time earning money to fund the website. Hint. Hint.

#103 rsquare
I don't know that much about it, but I do know that with the use of the pix, fox news should ensure that zombietime news NEVER EVER runs out of funds, EVER.

I'll take both you guys' advice and send them a letter. Very passive-aggressive, nicely worded. More menacing that way. The worst that could happen is they ignore me. I doubt anything will come of it but hey -- at least I can say I tried.

109 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:18:46pm
#104 Irene NYC
zombie
I have a possible story idea for you. Is there any place I can send it?

zombie at zombietime d0t c0m.

110 The Green Hornet  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:22:39pm

Ya know stuff like this coming from Muslims just doesn't shock me... what does though is the anti-Zionists strategically placed throughout them but well within cameraview (as you can notice by a convenient zoom in.

Islamic terror is a curse upon the western world but especially Jews, and one that is unfortunately always undeserved. As long as there can be even a small amount of religious Jews who would attend a rally in support of such heinous Jew-killers there will be problems. If Jews themselves don't value protecting each others' lives, why should G-d?

/Don't mean to offend, simply to vent

111 infopimp  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:22:57pm

Zombie: how about just making it "linkware" - if they use your photos, they have to give your URL... on web, as a clickable link, on Fox as a URL displayed in the subtitle during duration of display.

Simple, non-profit, keeps you safe and helps the cause.

112 The Green Hornet  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:23:47pm

#110
Sorry, meant to say not always undeserved

113 Max DarkSide  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:26:33pm

Enuf of this Azzam Tamimi guy. I wanna Light House! with a fence! with Oil tankers! and I want it NOW!

/childish temper tantrum

114 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:26:39pm

108 Zombie,

Careful what you do. By sending a "passive-aggressive" letter, you may inadvertently waive your rights or create an estoppel situation, not only as to these photos, but possibly as to future photos.

I would consider talking to a copyright lawyer before doing anything.

115 Max DarkSide  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:31:14pm
I would consider talking to a copyright lawyer before doing anything.


Particularly if you didn't take the fauxtos, though fair use may apply, there are certainly limits to that when direct compensation is involved. Not likely a real clear sitchiasion.

/engineer, not lawyer

116 raidergirl  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:31:35pm

This should not surprise anyone, we see anti-Israel everywhere! God Bless America, Israel, my sweet bro, and my pops!Go America & Israel! Keep all I Love Safe!

117 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:38:02pm

#109 zombie 8/15/2006 11:18PM PDT

#104 Irene NYC
zombie
I have a possible story idea for you. Is there any place I can send it?

zombie at zombietime d0t c0m.

i'm thinking of transfering some of your clips along with all the others to build a dvd (my new toy) with my burner but like obsession i'll just give em away with a foillow up on what was thought of em a watermark like on memri videos would be nice though i gotta figure out how to do that

118 jimmytheclaw  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:39:38pm

all the others are ones i can download or find laying around the net

119 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:39:39pm

*sigh*, In the doghouse again with the family, since the found out I re-registered as a Republican. I told them I couldn't stand the Venom coming out of the DNC anymore. plus I've unconditionally supported Israel since day one.

Even tho Grandma's side of the family is jewish and went through the holocaust.

*sigh* My family is full of moonbats

120 Abu Maven  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:40:03pm

115 Max,

Fox's use of Zombie's photos constitutes clear copyright infringement. A fair use argument would not fly.

Signing off for the night.

121 freedomplow  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:46:53pm

OT:

The soldier that exposed Abu Ghraib is making his rounds in the media...

Newsflash... He said it was not the fault of Rumsfield or Bush.

Someone dig up every filthy nasty thing that the libs said about Abu Ghraib.

122 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:50:49pm

#114 abu maven >< zombie

Cha-Ching!

;^)

123 Max DarkSide  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:52:00pm

#120 Abu Maven

Fox's use of Zombie's photos constitutes clear copyright infringement. A fair use argument would not fly.


I suppose if they are "Zombie-Originals" of flocking bats flying off to the moon. I bet Fox ran WORLD NAKED BIKE RIDE 2006 at the top of the hour! Thumbs up to those guys (hahaha... thumbs... up...)

/time fer another beer

124 zombie  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 9:56:11pm

And the zombietime hits just keep on comin'!

A secret contributor just sent, a month after the fact, a video from the July 13 anti-Israel protest, with subtitles in English of what the Palestinians are saying in Arabic:

Full protest report with video embedded.

Just the video all by itself, on YouTube.

Translation:

Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine, Palestine!
125 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:01:57pm

#120 abu maven

Sorry if you're off-line, but I gotta call BS again. Just as devil's advocate... Fox could say and show that zombie has freely allowed others to link, post, copy-n-paste for over a yr with no due diligence. They might show that on his site and Charles', zombie is begging MSM to show the truth, taunting why do none of them show the truth from the scenes, etc.

/better consult a lawyer before you do anything, even take well-meaning and free advice and free/automatic copy-righting.

In the meantime, if you care to, take simple steps of circle-C'ing everything, making pics un-right-clickable, and watermarking. Watermarking is simple in almost any software, click on Help and follow the prompts.

126 RadicalRon  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:02:13pm
#52 Abu Maven

Actually, Zombie owns a copyright in his/her pictures automatically, even without taking any steps. That said, it is always advisable to place a copyright symbol on the work with the year of the copyright and name of the copyright holder (which, presumably, could blow Zombie's identity).

copyright 2006 zombietime.com is all that's needed.

127 RadicalRon  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:06:53pm
#119 Jewels (aka Julian)


*sigh*, In the doghouse again with the family, since the found out I re-registered as a Republican. I told them I couldn't stand the Venom coming out of the DNC anymore. plus I've unconditionally supported Israel since day one.

Even tho Grandma's side of the family is jewish and went through the holocaust.

*sigh* My family is full of moonbats


Have a sit-down with them and discuss the possible significance of August 22. Wall Street Journal had an excellent article about it last week.

128 cbinflux  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:24:23pm

OT
Chavez was happy to see me!
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

129 Manker  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:40:02pm

Israel threatens to resume war if Hizbullah refuses to disarm

While this might sound good, I cannot in good conscience actually support this incompetent gov't to do this.

The fact is that Hizb'allah has already reflooded the area, the constant stop and go style of playing with army destroy's all strategies, and the fact is that Olmert has shown that he cannot go all the way.

Until a new leader is elected, we should not go back in. His incompetence will just cost the lives of more soldiers which come out to situation where no real gains will come.

Until he's gone, forget it.

130 Westward Ho  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:42:38pm

Little Old Engineer,

"I watch my grandmother cause her left leg to die because of hate that was in her."

If it is not too personal I am intrigued.

131 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:49:07pm

Olmert is an incompetent tit and needs to get booted

132 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:52:04pm

#129 manker:

Yeah, that about sums it up.

Besides, can you tell me WHY THE F*CK we agreed to a cease-fire, which was so obviously flimsy and held NO GUARANTEE WHATSOEVER that the Hezbos disarm?

It truly boggles the mind...

How's Haifa this morning?

133 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 10:56:12pm

Hello everybody.
I have a question to anyone who can answer; about this video.
Aren't there some Jews around this preacher of hate? If that's so, what are they doing there? They seem to be a part of the crowd listening to that screeching fellow. They seem to be Orthodox Jews, by the way.

134 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:04:38pm

#124 zombie:

And the zombietime hits just keep on comin'!

A secret contributor just sent, a month after the fact, a video from the July 13 anti-Israel protest, with subtitles in English of what the Palestinians are saying in Arabic:

Full protest report with video embedded.

Just the video all by itself, on YouTube.

Translation:

Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine, Palestine!

How cute. The paliscum and their supporters have such a keen sense of history.

The lines above are identical to the shouts of the Chevron (Hebron) mob, which massacred 67 of the town's Jews in 1929... Lookie here:

The next year, the British government rewarded this fanatical terrorist by appointing him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Following that, he organized more pogroms, including the 1929 Hebron massacre, during which the murderers chanted, "The [British] government is with us!" and "Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs!" These chants express the essence of Haj Amin Al-Husseini's movement, passed down to Arafat and his followers: not a national liberation movement, but a movement dependent on great power sponsors, with a goal of crushing the 'dogs' - "our dogs" - who violated the Dhimma by acting as free people.[7]

Oh,

135 big L  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:06:32pm

Oh it is just the flowery way they speak. Don't pay attention to the death threats and end-of-time rhetoric. That is just the Arabs way of negotiating.

/what my friends say when I bring up this stuff.
Also why do you beilieve the interenet sites? If it was true it would be in the L.A. Times, right?

136 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:07:48pm

#133 Miguel:

Hola, mi hermano!

Un Dead Thread muy tranquil hoy :P

Como estas?

137 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:09:32pm

Golden Jerusalem
Bien gracias hermano ¿y tú qué tal? :)
Sí, está tranquilo hoy ;)

138 big L  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:17:11pm

45-goodbye_natalie--I sure hope so. I draw strength from your post. Thanks. I ahve been in the dumps over the cease-fire and the uS govt role in it.

139 justj  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:17:18pm

just so you lads know, this was the video me and a mate filmed at the al quds hate rally in traf sq in october last year. i have a good few images on my archives if you wanna use em, mostly hezb supporters. also this was only a small clip from the whole 40 min video. if you wanna see the whole thing then leave a comment on my blog and if i get enough requests i'll repost it.

140 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:17:59pm

I just sent this to Reuters.

Your coverage of what is happening in Mexico is so biased that repels anyone who knows what's going on. Everything is protrated from the view point of the law-breaking left, as if the rest of Mexico didn't exist. This is truly an insult to the Mexican people. You say that the rebellious candidate had 14-15 million votes. Never a word about the more than 50 million who repudiate his actions. I read at a site that Reuters is very biased, and I sort of didn't believe it, but reading your coverage of Mexico, only from one side, the illegal side at that, I realize that it is true! Reuters is pandering to one side of society, the smaller, psychotic side, violating the right of the mayority to be heard and to have, at the very least, equal time and concern.
The nick Al-Reuters is right on. You are disgustingly biased.
Congratulations, you are actively working for your own dismissal.
From now on, I won't take anything Reuters says as true.
Lie-Reuters, Fanatic-Reuters, Enemy of Decency-Reuters.

141 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:19:30pm

#137 Miguel:

Estoy bien, gracias. Quizas tu recuerdas que la maestra de mi clase es mexicana?

Aprendo intensivo ahora. Tres veces cada semana.

142 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:21:41pm

Golden J.
Sí recuerdo. Te dije que le preguntes que de qué ciudad es originaria :p
Vas a avanzar muy rápido, estoy seguro. Ya conoces bastante español y hablas varias lenguas, de manera que pronto serás experto en la lengua. ;)

143 big L  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:23:02pm

66 Allah Fu Bar--Yeah Notice that they always parade and demonstrate and preach hate and goofy arrogant comments in locales where there are strict gun control laws.

144 Manker  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:30:30pm

#132 Golden Jerusalem

Yeah, that about sums it up.

Besides, can you tell me WHY THE F*CK we agreed to a cease-fire, which was so obviously flimsy and held NO GUARANTEE WHATSOEVER that the Hezbos disarm?

Well thats actually another point.

Why are we threatening to go back again, when we just agreed to stop? Why did we agree to stop on these idiotic conditions?

Rumor states that Bush couldn't handle Olmerts incompetence anymore and just stopped the war.

Had we had someone with competence handeled this, the war would have been over, Nasrallah while possibly still alive would be too afraid to even send videos, and Iran & Arab league would be threatening an Oil embargo again, to literally force Israel to stop.

It truly boggles the mind...

It makes my head want to explode.

How's Haifa this morning?

Nice, but still very quite, busses are running but the stops are pretty empty. Theres a trickle of traffic but not much else.

145 Manker  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:37:29pm

Now this is good news,

MK Uri Ariel drafts bill for dissolution of 17th Knesset

Chairman of National Unity, MK Uri Ariel, drafted a bill for the dissolution of the 17th Knesset.

According to him, "The management of the political establishment during the war in the north, its results, its achievements, and the treatment of the home front, were a failure in the minds of many. The Israeli public thinks that severe mistakes have been made for which the leaders need to be held responsible. This failure necessitates a renewed expression of the nation's faith in the political and military process that will be made from here on in."

69 percent: Establish inquiry committee

A Yedioth Aharonoth poll reveals support for prime minister decreasing. 57 percent think Peretz should resign. Many demand accountability among leadership


Personally while I believe that most of the top military echelon has to go. I think we have to dismantle the disengagement gov't from a top down perspective. We have to first remove the idiots at the top and then work our way down.

While Halutz has been made into a scape goat, he should be punished later. And replaced by Kaplinsky.

Udi Adam should have his name cleared, he had a plan but the failures in this case were definitely not his, and it was not right for Olmert to scapegoat him early.

The General staff has to be changed. The main positions at the top have to be held by mainly infantry and special forces commanders. Obviously Navy and Airforce should be there but I don't think they should be allowed to become Chiefs of Staff.

146 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:47:56pm

#142 Miguel:

Sí recuerdo. Te dije que le preguntes que de qué ciudad es originaria :p
Vas a avanzar muy rápido, estoy seguro. Ya conoces bastante español y hablas varias lenguas, de manera que pronto serás experto en la lengua. ;)

Si, ella es de Ciudad de Mexico, pero ahora ya Israeli :P

Oh, hable con mi hermana en el telefono ayer (despues de una dia largo :P).

Ella habla espanol perfecto. Que guay! :D

Hay el elemento de competicion entre nostromos, jeje.

147 wordwarp  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:50:08pm

Al-Qaeda meets Seinfeld: Man Hands

148 Manker  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:53:24pm

Very interesting, especially considering the August 22nd date.

Iranian general: We will soon carry out large military exercise

I remember reading about "out of the blue" operations. Where basically an army that is performing military exercises all of sudden during that exercise launches a military assault.

Does anyone think this mass mobilization could lead to an attack agaisnt US forces in Iraq, followed in conjunction with missile strikes, Hizb'allah attack again, and the Mehdi army also coming out to attack all at the same time?

And maybe even Syria would join in, but I'd really doubt it.

149 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:53:32pm

#146 Golden Jerusalem
Ok,por favor saluda a la maestra de parte de otro "chilango" (es el nombre para los nacidos en la Ciudad de México jeje).
La competencia con tu hermana es buena, así tienes más estímulo para perfeccionar tu español. ;)

150 MigueldowninMexico  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:57:21pm

The Mahdi died in 1885.

151 Golden Jerusalem  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:58:16pm

#144 manker:

Yeah I reckon we pretty much are on the same page when it comes to olmert/Peretz/That Gang of A$$holes...

I still can't believe Peretz' Syria comments, dear God... what a horrifyingly moronic thing to come from a guy, who is supposed to be the top defense official of this country.

No wonder this war was one gigantic fashla...

[HAIFA]Nice, but still very quite, busses are running but the stops are pretty empty. Theres a trickle of traffic but not much else.

I'm glad to hear. I hope the city gets back to its normal life real soon.

I like Haifa and I felt very sad for the city and its residents suffering during the attacks.

152 Mike C.  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:59:35pm

Good morning, dead thread.

153 zulubaby  Tue, Aug 15, 2006 11:59:57pm

A ceasefire whereby Hizbollah refuses to disarm. Delightful. We must be insane to have agreed to this. The IDF knows they’re going to have to go at least one more round, yeah?

154 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:00:10am

#133 MigueldowninMexico

They are most likely anti-Zionists... it's a small and misguided sect of religious Jews who believe that Jews should not create a state in the land of Israel until the Messiah comes. I don't know much about the details but I think they base this belief off a single source and maybe even one quote.

In the meantime they fail to recognize the great gift that the modern day state of Israel is to the Jewish people, even in light of it's many many flaws. If nothing else having that many Jews in one place allows them the opportunity to fulfill an incredible amount of mitzvot that are next to impossible to do anywhere else (except perhaps isolated communities in New York and LA). Jews can also perform the miztvah of living in Ereztz Yisrael (the land of Israel) which can not be performed anywhere else and the fact that they have a strong military means that persecuted Jews anywhere in the world now have a safe haven.

Some of them even have the chutzpah of living in Israel while they denounce the state! G-d willing someday they will wise up and work to help reform Israel into a place they more desire instead of simply finding ways to destroy it.

155 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:01:08am

Hello there Mike
I'm glad you are home ok ;)
And I'm glad the birds sing only iin spring lol

156 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:02:17am

# 148 Manker

Possible, but doubtful. I expect them to say something, and I for one wouldn't be surprised if they claimed to have a functional nuke. I don't think they do, but I also don't think that matters a whole lot.

157 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:05:28am

#133 MigueldowninMexico

Here's some more information...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neturei_Karta

158 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:07:11am

The Green Hornet
Thanks a lot for the explanation!
I had read somewhere about that group which seemed almost impossible to exist, but here we have images of them conniving with the enemies of the Jewish people. Incredible. I have the impression that some people are living in a different reality, which is usually a clinical case.
I agree very much with all of your comments in your #154. You have to be crazy to be an anti-Israel Jew.
Thanks for all the data, a very thoughtful and complete answer. :)

159 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:09:15am

tapping the floor impaciently
Someone's going to miss her Hershey's ration today. Hmpf.

160 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:10:17am

The Green Hornet
Thanks for the link :)

161 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:11:35am
162 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:13:23am

In 2002, during Israel's "Operation Defensive Shield", the Israeli military captured numerous documents [2] from the headquarters of Arafat which demonstrated that Rabbi Moshe Hirsch was on Arafat's payroll and received payments totaling $55,000. Rabbi Hirsch's son, however, denied that any payment was accepted
AHA! Follow the money.
Selling your own people. We all have traitors like those. And they are utterly disgusting.

163 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:14:26am

#151 Golden Jerusalem

Yeah I reckon we pretty much are on the same page when it comes to olmert/Peretz/That Gang of A$$holes...

I still can't believe Peretz' Syria comments, dear God... what a horrifyingly moronic thing to come from a guy, who is supposed to be the top defense official of this country.

No wonder this war was one gigantic fashla...

Yup, as Liberman said, those comments continue to show his lack of connection to reality.

I'm glad to hear. I hope the city gets back to its normal life real soon.

I like Haifa and I felt very sad for the city and its residents suffering during the attacks.

It was sad, but I can't be sure everything will be normal because of the issues of another round coming about.

The best we can hope for is that the vote of no confidence will take place soon, and will be successful.

#153 zulubaby

A ceasefire whereby Hizbollah refuses to disarm. Delightful. We must be insane to have agreed to this.

I can say this with complete confidence. We [The people of Israel] never agreed to this. Only Olmert and his lackey's did. He does not represent the Israeli people, and had no right to do so.

But in some ways it is better that he did. The army can regroup, learn from their mistakes, reorganize, get rid of olmert, and prepare for the next round.

Hopefully we'll be able to install trophy on the merkava, and revise tactics. We have to start fighting more as small lighting squads constantly moving and attacking, with heavy use of snipers.

The IDF knows they’re going to have to go at least one more round, yeah?

Yup,

IDF says free to hit Syrian arms convoys

164 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:17:06am
In 2000 and in 2006, Hirsch's Neturei Karta visited Iran. During the 2006 visit, they praised Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad and expressed solidarity with the Iranian position of anti-Zionism and Ahmadinejad's calls for the political destruction of the Israeli state. [5] Observers have pointed out a key difference between Iran's position and that held by some members of Neturei Karta; the latter use the term 'dismantling' to refer to a peaceful removal of the state of Israel, as opposed to Iran, which has not excluded violent abolition of the state of Israel.


Gee! They are my heroes!
Sob's. They hang around with the best company.

165 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:33:19am

Demonrats get in trouble with Hispanics LOL
That'll serve them well lol.

166 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:35:33am

Hey Mike C,

I guess that I am going to have to start watching my local news. I clicked over to look at Drudge and Osamma Obama was across the river in Metropolis. I stopped watching the News here a long time ago they do perky Couric type news. Like fingernails on a chalkboard. Yikes!

167 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:36:40am

Clinton and Gates praise Bush on Aids!

168 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:39:16am

Meanwhile, science out the wazoo ! Be sure and click on the Top Ten icon to see what's happening at (over ?) the edge.

169 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:41:12am

Miguel I guess you and I are the only people left awake on the internet. Or at least it feels that way. LOL

170 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:44:29am

And, of course, no morning is complete without a little paleontology.

Okay, I'm done. Back to your regularly scheduled coverage of WW IV.

171 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:45:19am

mkm19602000 - I'm here lurking, along with 1556 others. Do you ever feel like someone is reading over your shoulder?

:0

j

172 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:45:26am

mkm
LOL. There are more than 1500 people on this site. But most of them aren't registered. Others won't even answer you when you greet them ¬¬, such as Mike C. for instance.
Let's keep on posting, thus giving life to a Dead Thread. LOL

/And what do you do in life?
-I keep moribund threads alive...

173 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:47:56am

Hi Miguel

How is everything with you?

j

174 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:50:42am

jfromfolsomca
I'm fine, thank you! :)
Giving CPR to the thread lol
How about you?

175 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:50:58am

#172 MigueldowninMexico

Haha, I just moved back down to school today for the new fall semester, it's 3 in the morning Tucson time, and my ADD is begging for any distraction possible to keep me from getting around to unpacking...

In otherwords you keep posting and I'll keep reading :p

176 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:53:08am

Green Hornet
Then, let me tell you the story of my life...
ROFL ;)

177 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:53:30am

Great - morning flack. Hello, Miguel. Sheesh !

178 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:54:33am

#134 Golden Jerusalem


#124 zombie:

And the zombietime hits just keep on comin'!

A secret contributor just sent, a month after the fact, a video from the July 13 anti-Israel protest, with subtitles in English of what the Palestinians are saying in Arabic:

Full protest report with video embedded.

Just the video all by itself, on YouTube.

Translation:

Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is Arab!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine is our land!
The Jews are our dogs!
Palestine, Palestine!

How cute. The paliscum and their supporters have such a keen sense of history.

The lines above are identical to the shouts of the Chevron (Hebron) mob, which massacred 67 of the town's Jews in 1929... Lookie here:

The next year, the British government rewarded this fanatical terrorist by appointing him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem. Following that, he organized more pogroms, including the 1929 Hebron massacre, during which the murderers chanted, "The [British] government is with us!" and "Palestine is our land and the Jews are our dogs!" These chants express the essence of Haj Amin Al-Husseini's movement, passed down to Arafat and his followers: not a national liberation movement, but a movement dependent on great power sponsors, with a goal of crushing the 'dogs' - "our dogs" - who violated the Dhimma by acting as free people.[7]

Oh,


I heard the same thing being shouted at the Arab 'Land day" demonstration in Wadi Nis Nas, Haifa in 1992. I asked a Marronite friend who I was watching the demonstrating with, " what are they chanting"? He told me the above translated historical revisionism and racial threat/smear. it was quite disturbing actually, as this was pre-Oslo during the peaceful lull after the first Intifada. In addition, another disturbing factor was that, it was in Haifa a city remarkable for its relative decent relations between Jews and Arabs. Most of the marchers were young. I had a camera swatted out of my hand by a passing protestor as I raised it to take a picture. Good thing it was a Nikkormat FT2, it survived with a small dent. I didn't take any more photos after that. The marchers looked quite fierce and displeased. This was my first taste of the depravity and fanaticism that exists in the hearts of these people. It was not my last lesson of many that would inform my naiveté and innocence. I later experienced many more acts by Paleos that shook me to the core. If there intentions were to cower it didn't work. My initial fear turned to anger, and eventually lead to me disarming and throwing an adolescent Paleo who brandished a knife during an argument outside of Jaffa Gate in Jerusalem, over the sidewalk rail, and down the hill below were the public restrooms are across the road from the gate. I don't know what his fate was and I couldn't care. I felt threatened and eliminated the threat. What I did out of a need for self preservation is so mething that the West needs to do on a much larger scale. But alas, we are still dreamy, good intentioned, nice people.

After what I learned while living in Israel for only three years, I cannot fathom how anyone living in Israel can remain a pacifist/leftist against such a blatant existential threat as the Arabs. That such Israelis still exist is a testamenet to the good character and steadfastness of Jews in general, and Israelis in particular.

Now they are spouting that Shiite hear in America, again trying to intimidate and revise the truth of matters. It would be great to get a group of Protest Warriors to stand across the street from them (with a phalanx of police between) and return their revisionist/racist ranting as a corollary argument:

Israel'uh Yehudiyyah
Israel'uh Yehudiyyah
Israel'uh bladnuh
Wa’al Arabiyyah klaubnuh
Israel,Israel!

I wonder what their reaction would be?

179 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:55:32am

Miguel

Fox news is going in the background and I'm cracking open a Mickey's tall can... go ahead, I'm not going anywhere for a while

180 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:55:58am

Has anybody seen this magnificent speech by a Colonel in the Army? What a real patriot! It's on Michell Malkin's Vent.

181 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:57:03am

I'm fighting a cold right now, but everything else is OK. For the last few weeks, I feel like I'm waiting for the "other" shoe to drop - like something big is going to happen soon. I keep reading the internet, checking FOX (like some people keep checking the door to see if it's locked) - this is totally weird for me to be this way. Usually I'm upbeat and happy with life. If those damn terrorists are going to hit, I wish they would just get it over with, so we could start shooting; and that's an awful thing to think, let alone say.

j

182 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:03:47am

#181 jfromfolsomca

These things pass, I get like that too sometimes but after a while you get burnt out, turn off the tv, shut off the computer, and go outside to take a walk. It's similar to what I hear insomnia is like... eventually it will wear off and until then don't stress too much about it.

Something I've found to help is to try and come up with a resolution to do some kind of personal improvement. It's a nice way to help you feel like you have control in your life when you're bothered by situations you don't have control over.

183 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:04:19am

Mike
:p

184 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:06:27am

Thanks Miguel - that speech had some great words. I feel better knowing there are people like this on our side.

j

185 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:07:36am

j
I'm not American and I felt like crying over hearing that man speak.
I'm also glad there are people like that. :)

186 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:07:54am

OT:

I just heard on FOX that Jesse Jackson is trying to broker a prisoner exchange to get the captured Israeli soldiers back...

... May G-d have mercy on those poor boys

187 BulgarWheat  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:10:03am

Good Morning, Lizards!

188 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:10:43am

Boker tov wheat

189 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:11:24am

Thanks Geen Hornet, for your thoughtful words.

Jesse Jackson is such a media whore. Like Israel needs this clown to help them do anything!

j

190 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:11:57am

Green Hornet
That's a good piece of advice. When you are nervous and not knowing what goes, and what to do, try to improve yourself in some way.
Excellent ;)

Right now the feeling in Mexico is just as j puts it: the floating feeling that something is bound to happen.

/I'll resume doing exercise, I guess lol

191 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:13:29am

Miguel - I hope you are out of harms way if any violence breaks out in Mexico re your recent election.

j

192 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:14:40am

coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

193 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:15:17am

j
Thanks a lot my friend! :)
I hope so too. Although I'm decided to defend myself any way I can if things come down to that.
In the meantime, I'll exercise lol.

194 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:15:59am

Good morning littleoldlady.

Do you need some coffeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee, or are you serving it?

j

195 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:16:07am

Miguel

I'll make you a deal... for every mile you run I'll take another sip of my Mickey's. That way when my parents accuse me of drinking too much instead of focusing on class I can tell them that I'm sponsoring an athlete! :p

196 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:16:18am

One hour fourteen minutes late ¬¬

197 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:17:42am

I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed coffeeeeeeeeeeeee!

I'm late, too? OY.

198 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:18:08am

Green Hornet
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Great pretext right? ROFL
All for sports! lol

199 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:19:01am

Mike C,

No wonder the universe is a crazy place, the lithium is missing.

[Link: www.newscientistspace.com...]

200 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:19:48am

Morning™ evening good every*one afternoon!

Coffee is in the fruitcup ^^^^^
Myself help!

/help!

201 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:19:49am

Hey, littleoldlady.
You have an excellent track record, so you deserve a pass.
Here, get some Gold Nuggets ™ ;)

202 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:20:00am

And on a more "Back in the loop" vein, a nice little editorial RE biased/propaganda reporting from this AM's Washinton Times.

203 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:21:09am

littleoldlady
Guess have you I trouble some...
About tell it me.

204 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:22:07am

# 199 Westward Ho

Read that. And there's the answer - the universe is obviously off it's meds.

205 BulgarWheat  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:22:25am

#188 The Green Hornet

right back at ya!

The cables out at home (TV) not internet, but who cares! Got some nice coffee on and I need to start getting the kids ready for school in about 20 minutes.

Life is good this morning!

206 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:22:35am

GH: At a sip of beer/mile, Miguel is going to have to run a lot of miles before you get in trouble with your parents. Now if it were based on Charles' bike riding log, you just might be in trouble by the end of the first month. LOL

j

207 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:24:35am

School? How late AM I?!

/rip van winkle mode?

Miguel,

Rough week. My mom's sick and in the hospital. The hospital is a couple of hours away.

/are we having fun yet?

208 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:24:38am

jfromfolsomca

My liver is young and headstrong... it's up to the challenge!

209 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:24:41am

First week, j LOL. Charles rides really long distances.

Bulgar Wheat
Good morning! I'm glad you are so happy :)

210 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:24:54am

Darn I went to check my spam filter, and the place comes back to life.

Yes jp, I do feel like someone is reading over my shoulder, in fact my cat has a habit of placing his posterior on the headrest of the office chair and putting his front paws on my shoulder. LOL he will stay like that for a bit and then start doing things to get my attention so I will entertain him. I know what you are talking about in waiting for the other shoe to drop also, I cannot sleep without bacground noise. I had the tv on earlier and bolted out of bed when they did emergency broadcating test at 2:15AM. I don't know if it's me but it sure seem like they have been testing a lot more frequently than they used to in the past month. I'm sure I am being paranoid about that. LOL

Oh well now the thread is coming to life again I won't have to stray. Good Morning everyone.

211 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:25:18am
212 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:26:42am

littleoldlady
Oh, I'm sorry to read that :(
I hope your mom gets well soon. A prayer for her health and my best wishes.

You get extra Gold Nuggets today ;)

213 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:27:04am

littleoldlady - sorry to hear about your Mom. It's hard not to worry about loved ones, especially with a 2 hour commute to be with her. Hope everything turns out OK for her.

j

214 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:29:02am

Hello ploome!
Mexico is in the brink of a civil war, in the worst-case scenario.
In the best-case she's in for a rough ride the next months.

215 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:30:07am

Hiya j! and Miguel,

Thanks! I think she'll be okay. On the one hand, she's 83 years old. On the other hand, she has a tatoo on her arm that starts with an "A" (for Auschwitz). She's no wuss, my mother.

On the third hand, my back is in spasm and I overslept...

/Wusses R Us

216 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:30:43am

Good bye mkm!

217 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:32:14am

{littleoldlady}

I hope this stands for a hug.

j

218 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:33:21am

littleoldlady
Wow, that tatoo gave me goose pimps. She's quite a woman, indeed. May God bless her.
My mom is 84. I understand your concern.
Let me shake your third hand. I've never greeted a martian :p

219 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:33:29am

I typed a whole bunch of braces on that hug, I wonder why only 2 printed?

j

220 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:33:31am

j,

Watch the back, will ya?!

;-)

/kidding. Thanks!

221 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:33:32am
222 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:36:08am
223 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:36:53am

j
Charles' script won't allow us write several ! or ? or other signs. Only one.
Charles hates exageration LOL.

224 nonic  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:37:30am

Good morning, people.

littleoldlady - sorry to hear - will pray for your mom

Feeling up to 2 doses of bad news, people?

Hezbollah Leads Work to Rebuild, Gaining Stature

BEIRUT, Lebanon, Aug. 15 — As stunned Lebanese returned Tuesday over broken roads to shattered apartments in the south, it increasingly seemed that the beneficiary of the destruction was most likely to be Hezbollah.

A major reason — in addition to its hard-won reputation as the only Arab force that fought Israel to a standstill — is that it is already dominating the efforts to rebuild with a torrent of money from oil-rich Iran.

Memorizing the Way to Heaven [from NYC], Verse by Verse

This one's got so many depressing details, better refill your coffee before you read the whole thing.

The carpeted room is full of children in skullcaps crouched on prayer mats, reciting verses from a holy text. Some mumble the words under their breath; others sing them out. They rock back and forth as they chant, their disparate voices blending into an ethereal melody.

The children, ages 7 to 14, are full-time students, in class 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., Monday through Friday, even in the summer. But they are not studying math, science or English. Instead, they are memorizing all 6,200 verses in the Koran, a task that usually takes two to three years.

I used to be in favor of school vouchers, having sent 5 kids to Catholic school K-12 -- but not anymore.

(Sorry to be Queen of Glum this morning.)

225 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:37:41am

ploome
If you start singing like a bird...

226 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:37:57am

Wow, all of a sudden we went from 1500+ lurkers, to over 4000. Sometimes, the Blue Nowhere is so cool.

j

227 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:38:11am

Very interesting,

It is true, foresight and stupidity are constantly confused.

Right On: The real blunder in Lebanon

Indeed, by transferring advanced rockets and weaponry to Hizbullah, Teheran and Damascus have just unwittingly proven one of the Bush Administration's central contentions regarding the need for preemptive action against rogue states in the global war on terror.

The two countries have demonstrated that they are ready and willing to share missile systems with a terrorist organization, thus strengthening the case that they must be prevented from obtaining weapons of mass destruction at all costs.

This very point was at the heart of an important speech made by US President George W. Bush last October in which he outlined America's strategy for fighting terror across the globe. Speaking at the National Endowment for Democracy in Washington, Bush made clear that, "we're determined to deny weapons of mass destruction to outlaw regimes, and to their terrorist allies who would use them without hesitation."

Bush was right, and very soon every LLL will grinding their teeth when they see this.

G-D bless the soldiers in the US military and the IDF.

228 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:38:47am

FOX's weather forcast for Iraq today: "It's gonna be hot!"

Does that statement really sound as amusing as I thought it did or is my buzz just kicking in?

229 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:40:23am

nonic
By the description on your second link it's more and more apparent to me that Islam is a CULT.
Brainwashing as I've never seen, except for the likes of David Koresh or Jim Jones.
Poor them, poor us.

The universe is out of its meds, indeed.

230 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:41:03am

Tehran Takes Gloomy View of the Lebanon War and Truce:
[Link: www.debka.com...]

It's off debkafile so it could be bogus but wishful thinking gives me a little bit of consolation reading it...

231 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:41:26am

Even the failures of cosmology are spectacular, if it were run like a business imagine telling your boss - boss I fucked up slightly I cannot account for 95% of the matter in the universe, 80% of the energy and by the way junk that age of the universe report I gave it to you, I have found out that I forgot to add 2 billion more years to it. O there is a slight discrepancy between the measured values of the cosmological constant and the theoretically predicted one - How much asked the fulminating frothing boss - it is 10 raised to 100 times smaller than predicted..

232 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:41:36am

{Ploomie!}

Thanks. Hope you are well.

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:43:32am
234 jfromfolsomca  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:43:38am

#224 nonic

He envisions the children in the school becoming not just religious leaders but doctors, lawyers and engineers, helping to bridge the gap between the Muslim world and American society. “We want them to be leaders in all different kinds of roles.”

How in the hell does he think they can become doctors, lawyers, or engineers, without real schooling (e.g., math, science, language). Memorizing the koran isn't going to teach them how to build a bridge, only blow one up.

j

235 nonic  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:45:10am

A little (unexpected) oxygen in today's NYT...

Op-Ed piece by Irshad Manji, Muslim Myopia.

236 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:46:10am

Well, the thread resurrected indeed.
Time for me to hit the bunk ;)
Good bye everybody and God bless all. :)

237 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:46:43am

I said stray,not stay that means I'm notleaving. LOL Miguel I downloaded the LTC White's speech from the base website. He is a truth teller, just like General Honore was after Katrina. I wish our society honored men like them instead of the latte and biscotti crowd LTC White talked about.

littleoldlady, hug your mom for me. Hope she is well soon.

238 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:47:13am

ploomie,

Zicam™! Ever try it? I get bad colds when I get them, and that stuff knocks it down to a two-day experience.

239 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:47:55am
240 ploome hineni[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:49:28am
241 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:49:31am

# 231 Westward Ho

If it were easy, they'd let an engineer do it.

242 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:50:18am

mkm
I said good bye because I was leaving.

/Whew, I found a good pretext for not reading well lol.

Bye all, for real now :)

243 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:53:47am

Good morning all Lizardoids from the east coast. JWF reporting for duty.

Well, well, where do we even begin today?

Being it's the 29th anniversary of the passing of Elvis Presley, here's a pile of horse manure passing as journalism in the case of one Fidel Castro, who we can only hope is dead soon.

Video of Frail Castro Sobers Cubans

Sobers Cubans? I don't think so. They'll be drunk with joy when this monster descends into his special place in hell.


The government video of a weakened
Fidel Castro convalescing in bed brought home a growing awareness to many Cubans on Tuesday that neither he nor the country will likely be the same again.

The images released Monday night of Cuba's 80-year-old "unconquerable commander in chief" reassured anxious Cubans that he was alive, comfortable and recovering after surgery.

But the post-surgery photographs and video also are helping Cubans "gradually grow accustomed to" the idea of a Cuba without their "Maximum Leader" at the helm, according to historian Manuel Cuesta-Morua, a government opponent.

244 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:54:25am

ploome,

Nope. You're smart. Taking Zithro is going straight to the good stuff (antibiotic). You'll be better in a jiffy!

:-)

Zicam is just some over-the-counter zinc-based (I think) homeopathic stuff.

245 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:54:39am

Miguel

Atah tzadak, yeish chaim lchut shuv! Lyla tov chaver.

246 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:54:43am

#239 ploome hineni

and what about the UN, the EU and the IRC

all supporting and shielding Hezballah and their supprt system in Lebanon and Hamas in Gaza

it is NOT terrorism if only Jews are killed

In the end of the day, Bush talked and setup some of the ground work, now we need those that follow to finish it for him.

Bush isn't without his faults, but remember even the world superpower can't do everything.

You can't wipe the EU's ass and make them realize the crap their gonna go through.

The UN and IRC have to both be told that they will lose US funding, and amazingly things will change in a manner not seen before.

The fact is that we must setup a league of democracies to truely to reach the situation that we need to get too.

247 nonic  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:56:39am

#234 jfromfolsomca

Unfortunately, some universities will view this kind of whacko background as "diversity" to "enrich" their student body and give these kids scholarships along with remedial classes in the basics.

/Q of G this a.m.

248 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:56:40am

Meanwhile, actor Bruno Kirby has died.

Bruno Kirby, a veteran character actor known for playing the best friend in two of
Billy Crystal's biggest comedies "When Harry Met Sally" and "City Slickers," has died. He was 57.

Kirby died Monday in Los Angeles from complications related to leukemia, his wife Lynn Sellers said in a statement Tuesday. He had been recently diagnosed with the disease.

"We are incredibly grateful for the outpouring of support we have received from Bruno's fans and colleagues who have admired and respected his work over the past 30 years," his wife said. "Bruno's spirit will continue to live on not only in his rich body of film and television work but also through the lives of individuals he has touched throughout his life."

Born Bruno Giovanni Quidaciolu in 1949 in New York City, he was the son of actor Bruce Kirby. His early work included the 1971 film "Young Graduates," as well as appearances on the television show "Room 222" and the made-for-TV movie "The Summer Without Boys."

In 1974, he scored a role in "The Godfather: Part II," which won several Academy Awards, including best picture. In the film, Kirby played young "Pete Clemenza," following Richard S. Castellano's role in the first installment.

249 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:56:44am

Bye Miguel.

250 msinfidel  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 1:59:07am

Noah Pollack presents this alternative explanation for the US and Israel pulling out of Lebanon without achieving stated goals.

Iran armed Hezbollah and clearly is not going to be step down from its nuclear program diplomatically.

The war in Lebanon just gave the US all the evidence it will need to strike Iran once they refuse to comply with the UN demands regarding their nuclear ambitions.

Here is what Pollack said:

---snip----Undoubtedly, the most important and highest-priority U.S. and Israeli objective in the Middle East today is thwarting Iran’s nuclear-weapons project. It is likely that the confrontation with Iran will not be resolved diplomatically, and that in the decisive moment it will be America, not Israel, that dispatches its military forces to destroy the Iranian nuclear sites. This basic calculus is the context in which American and Israeli Middle East strategic thinking takes place today.

Israel’s actions against Hezbollah thus must fit within the greater shared U.S.-Israeli strategy for the region. That strategy always must consider the danger of an Arab League or OPEC decision to curtail oil sales, as in 1973. An oil embargo is the Arabs’ secret weapon: Gas rationing and triple-digit per barrel oil prices would cripple the global economy, enrage the American public, and possibly engender anti-Israel popular sentiment in the U.S. Even the threat of an embargo would send oil prices skyrocketing. American support for Israeli military actions must therefore always be wary to the risk of Arab hostility to Israel uniting behind the cause of restricting the sale of Middle Eastern oil.--snip---

link to entire article:

[Link: article.nationalreview.com...]

251 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:00:51am

In a clear indication that moonbattery has crept eastward from California the spawn of Jimmah Carter has won a Senate primary in Nevada.

Jimmy Carter's son, Jack Carter, won the Democratic nomination Tuesday to face Republican U.S. Sen. John Ensign in November in Nevada, where voters also picked candidates in a sometimes-zany pair of primaries to replace popular Republican Gov. Kenny Guinn.

Carter claimed 78 percent of the vote in early returns to defeat political unknown Ruby Jee Tun of Carson City, a middle school science teacher. Ensign won with 90 percent of the vote over Ed "Fast Eddie" Hamilton of Las Vegas, a former Chrysler Corp. supervisor.

I know, you're like me in lamenting the stunning defeats of Ruby Jee Tun and Fast Eddie Hamilton.

What were the voters thinking?

252 nonic  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:05:19am

#229 Miquel

Islam is a CULT.
Brainwashing

Yep. Notice that a kid who memorizes the koran gets a ticket to heaven and can take 10 people of his choice with him.

It's not just a cult -- memorizing words they don't understand -- it's a cult that insures tribalism.

253 The Green Hornet  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:07:34am

Lyla tov everyone

254 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:09:08am

Brit Baby Bomb Beasts

Such a lovely couple.

These are the twisted young British parents who planned to sacrifice their precious baby in the evil cause of jihad by mass murder.

Fanatical terror suspect Abdula Ahmed Ali, 25, and his wife, Cossor, 23, are among those being interrogated by police as suspects in the massive plot to attack trans-Atlantic flights in midair.

What the outwardly normal couple had secretly plotted is almost too horrifying to consider, cops said.

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

All in the name of their sick, twisted religion, you see.

255 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:15:33am

Druze leader in Lebanon: We will not surrender to Assad, Nasrallah

Druze leader and head of the anti-Syrian camp, Walid Jumblatt, responded to the recent speeches of Syrian President Bashar Assad and Hizbullah leader Hasan Nasrallah, saying, "We will never surrender to Assad or to Nasrallah's conditions." This was reported by Lebanese newspaper al-Mustaqbal.

I love that guy, the Druze are badasses.

In this case I do believe that some kind of war is inevietable.

The main reason is that while Hizb'allah is refusing to disarm, I don't think many lebanese are happy about this. I think they're quite pissed at the Shia.

The question is, are they pissed off enough to pick up arms to stop Hizb'allah so that Israel doesn't attack again?

256 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:15:41am

#254 JWF

From the bottom of the article:

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

"We didn't understand what the hurry was and why he had to go on his own," he told The Mail on Sunday.


The fucking people are intentionally clueless

257 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:21:19am

#241, Mike C,

I am not criticizing them just pointing out that my fascination with the subject extends even to its failures.

258 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:25:20am

Good Morning deadthreaders. I hope everyone had a safe, restful evening. I hope realwest's move has gone well and he is staying healthy.

Any thoughts as to how long this "ceasefire" will last until the fighting starts up again?
My guess is it will last for as long as it takes for Hezbollah to get resupplied with rockets and ammunition by Syria and Iran. And when the fighting starts up again, I'm thinking Israel needs to take over and keep Lebannon.

259 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:25:20am

Low pressure off North Carolina refuses to organize.

Gulf system has completely fallen apart, appaently disrupted by the big thunderstorm complex that moved South through Mississippi.

In the busy part of the Atlantic tropical cyclone season, but the dry air off Africa, slightly cooler than normal ocean temps in the East Atlantic, and an El Niño-ish SOI and Equatorial East Pac water profile and corresponding shear in the Caribbean, means not a lot happening.

But, lets recall the 1938 Cat 3 that hit New York was the third week of September, and 26º water is as far North as New Jersey, so I haven't completely given up yet.

260 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:26:26am

# 257 Westward Ho

I understand. That was an old oilfield joke.

261 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:29:18am

#254 JWF:

The Alis planned to use 6-month-old son Zain's baby bottle as a liquid bomb, blowing themselves and their child up, along with hundreds of others aboard the flight.

LOL. You know what "zain" is in Hebrew? :D

262 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:30:59am

#260, Mike C,

Now that you tell me it is quite funny.

263 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:32:29am
mkm19602000 8/16/2006 04:15AM PDT

#254 JWF

From the bottom of the article:

Cossor's grandfather Nazir Ahmed, 84, said Ali made an unexpected visit to Pakistan about four weeks ago.

"We didn't understand what the hurry was and why he had to go on his own," he told The Mail on Sunday.


The fucking people are intentionally clueless

We had no idea! We were also scratching our heads as to why he shaved his head, grew a beard, had WTC posters on his wall, was chanting Allah Akhbar and death to the Joooos, was making his martyrdom video and was mising chemicals in the basement.

No idea, we tell you! He loved football and fish and chips. This cannot possibly be true.

He's a good kid!

264 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:35:14am

# 262 Westward Ho

Well, it was to geoscience types. Engineers never seemed to appreciate it.

265 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:35:59am

3 wood,

I see Woods, Flabby Phil and Ogilvy are playing together in rounds 1 and 2. But they tee off at 9:35 tomorrow and there's no television coverage at the time.

How weak is that? TNT doesn't come on until 2 pm ET, but supposedly the Golf Channel will pick up coverage at 11 ET.

Not that I'd get to see any of it anyway.

I guess they go around 1:30 or so on Friday; that I can see.

266 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:37:54am

# 263 JWF

E's not the messiah ! E's a good boy, e is !

/Life of Brian

267 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:43:19am
268 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:45:12am
269 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:46:26am

Meanwhile, loppyd suffered the trauma of seeing the Sawx go down to defeat yet again last night and now there is No Room for Error

One hanging splitter . . . one fly ball that simply must be caught . . . one more lost opportunity. And then the news from New York?

It was a bad night for anyone who cares about the fortunes of the Boston Red Sox.

Curt Schilling didn't pull a Beckett. He pitched well enough to win a lot of games, just not this game, against this team, when his own team is not swinging the bat. He was one pitch away from pitching a certified gem, but that one pitch made all the difference, and when you get to this point in a pennant race, you only care about results.

Detroit 3, Boston 2 -- that was the result. New York 6, Baltimore 3 -- that was another result, and we won't mention that the Yankees trailed, 3-0, as they went to bat in the sixth, or that Johnny Damon tied it with a two-run homer and then put New York ahead with a double.

I told you it was an all-around bad night if you care about the fortunes of the Boston Red Sox.

Doesn't help the ChiSox either, as they went down to defeat against the Omaha Royals.

Five game NY-Boston series commences Friday afternoon. Should be fun.

270 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:51:00am

#265 Jammie

I see Woods, Flabby Phil and Ogilvy are playing together in rounds 1 and 2. But they tee off at 9:35 tomorrow and there's no television coverage at the time.

Yep. I look for the Pillsbury Doughboy...I mean Mickleson, to throw up all over himself. Woods seems to be on a mission now, so I'm sure he will be in the mix on Sunday. I was going to go to Medina over the weekend, but a good friend here has an elderly relative dying, he is the executor and has never done it before, and he asked for my help getting the estate together for the inevitable resolution. So I'll stick around here and just watch on TV.

Medina is along, tree lined course, so the short hitters and irons players will not have much of a chance. We will have to see how deep the rough got, cause sprayers like Woods could have a problem if the rough is real deep. Medina is too long for Woods to get away with just hitting the irons like he did for the British open.

Ultimately it will boil down to which long hitter has the best short game this week end.

271 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:52:49am

Huh ?

272 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:53:25am

Interesting

Tank hits not as bad as it seemed

OC Armored Corps Brig.-Gen. Halutsi Rudoy revealed Tuesday that out of the almost 400 tanks that operated in Lebanon, only a few dozen were hit by antitank missiles and only 20 were actually penetrated.

...

Referring to the Trophy, a Rafael-developed active protection system that creates a hemispheric protected zone around armored vehicles such as the Merkava 4 tank, Rudoy said he would demand that his tanks be fitted with the defense system once it was deemed operational.

Well I gotta ask, WHY WASN'T IT OPERATIONAL ALREADY. I saw this already demonstrated and was stated ready for use.

While trophy will solve the issues of the AT missiles it still has to find ways of dealing with IEDs or huge underground explosives.

273 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:54:21am

Good morning all,

Dr. Sanity has a great article analyzing Hezbollah in the context of the Arab culture of honor & shame.

EVERYDAY DELUSIONS OF A SHAME CULTURE

For anyone who desires real peace in the middle east, it must be extremely disheartening to see thugs like Ahmadinejad, Nasrallah and Assad assert that they have achieved a great victory over Israel with regard to the current UN-brokered ceasefire. On TV, the scene abruptly shifts to the explosion of joyous fireworks over Beirut that proclaim an historic victory for Islam as women and children dance in the streets; when days before we were shown by the same media the pathos of dead children's bodies pulled from wrecked buildings; and the suffering of horribly victimized Lebanese, defeated and dispirited by the vicious bombs of the Israelis.

Let us put aside for the moment a discussion of whether the claims of victory have merit, since I believe it is far too early to be able to assess what may yet happen in Lebanon and how the situation will unfold. The ultimate victor and loser remains to be seen and a case could be made at this moment for either outcome.

Instead, let us consider how a shame culture--like the Islamic states and terror groups involved in this conflict--deal with success and failure.

For a typical shame culture the most important issue--indeed the issue that trumps truth or reality every time--is what people believe.

What others believe to be true has a far more powerful impact on behavior than what any particular individual believes; since the desire to preserve honor and avoid shame to the exclusion of all else, is one of the primary foundations of the culture. This need to avoid shame motivates the individuals in the culture to engage in wrong-doing as long as no-one knows about it, or knows he is involved.

It also motivates them to do whatever is necessary to give the impression that honor has been preserved...

...Since shame cultures work best within a collectivist/totalitarian framework, it is often fairly easy to manipulate appearances in order to avoid shame and claim honor has been preserved. When you control the media and/or the social structure; have unlimited money and sophisticated tools for the development and dissemination of propaganda, then it is even easier.

It is an absolute cake-walk if you also happen to have a bunch of useful idiots managing the media of the enemy you hope to shame and give the appearance of defeating.

Read it all. This is why the UN brokered ceasefire is a disaster. Hezbollah took an ass-kicking from the IDF but still claimed to be victorious and the vast majority of Arabs agree.

274 littleoldlady  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 2:55:23am

Mikey,

This is for you.

Good day, ALL!™

May G-d protect the IDF and all the people of Israel!

275 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:00:39am

Mike C,

A fascinating but depressing reappraisal of SETI.

[Link: www.csicop.org...]

276 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:01:09am

#272 Manker

Tank hits not as bad as it seemed

During this conflict, the main sources of information for Western media seems to be Lebanese & Hezbollah agents. So don't believe a damn thing in the msm about the nature of the military action. It's all bs.

Well I gotta ask, WHY WASN'T IT OPERATIONAL ALREADY. I saw this already demonstrated and was stated ready for use.

Why not indeed. Time, money and political will. It's onething for a company to announce a product is ready (which may be just hype to promote their stock), andquite another to spend the money & time necessary to purchase, install & train the people to use new technology.

277 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:01:17am

#272 manker:

While trophy will solve the issues of the AT missiles it still has to find ways of dealing with IEDs or huge underground explosives.

The threat from ATGMs is the more serious threat, because it's a mobile and long-range threat.

Buried explosives are hard to counter, but OTOH can never be deployed with the flexibility, mobility and in the numbers that ATGMs can.

You can never 100% insulate a tank from a massive buried explosive device. Even if the tank's hull holds, the crew will still be killed. We have seen this with a few Merkavas in fact.

278 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:02:22am
279 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:03:55am

#269 Jammie

The ChiSox got every break you can think of and then some last year, and this year it's a different story. And I don't think the BoSox pitching is deep enough to take them where they want to go, either.

Hey, on a completely different note, I did some research yesterday into the 1919 Black Sox. I had watched "8 Men Out" a few weeks ago and wanted to check up on how accurate it was. The movie portrayed Comiskey as notoriously cheap and that forced the players to throw the 1919 series for more money. A key part of the movie showed Comiskey as cheating ace pitcher Ed Cicotte out of a $10,000 bonus cause he won only 29 games and not the 30 in his contract bonus clause. The movie suggested Comiskey had Cicotte benched for a bunch of games to keep him from winning his 30th. That supposedly motivated Cicotte to agree to throw the series.

According to what I read, which was noted as direct quotes from Ed Cicotte later in life, he joined into the scam cause he knew his career was winding down and he wanted to get a big payoff to be able to buy his family a farm to live on. In fact he started 2 games after he won his 29th and got shelled in both of them. The last start was just several days before the first game of the World Series. So if Comiskey was trying to cheat Cicotte as the movie suggested, he sure went about it in a strange way.

Cicotte ended up working as a mechnic for Ford in Detroit for many years and died in 1969.

280 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:04:52am

#273 Kenneth

This is why the UN brokered ceasefire is a disaster. Hezbollah took an ass-kicking from the IDF but still claimed to be victorious and the vast majority of Arabs agree.

It would seem that a lot of lizards agree that Israel lost (I don't).

281 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:05:09am

Aack ! Just priced the laptop I really do need. $ 3,682. Guess that ain't happening anytime soon.

282 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:05:34am

Good morning, LGF "one website"!

283 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:07:07am

#271 Mike C.

Huh ?

Looks like we are in for a looned-out day. Could be entertaining.

284 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:07:26am
285 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:08:52am

# 275 Westward Ho

Yet another bookmarked site that I visit all too infrequently. Sigh.

286 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:10:10am

#281 Mike C.

Aack ! Just priced the laptop I really do need. $ 3,682. Guess that ain't happening anytime soon.


Aw, c'mon. It's only money! (Business expense?)

287 Dar ul Harb  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:11:02am

#243, JWF

Being it's the 29th anniversary of the passing of Elvis Presley...

Uh... I knew that!

That would make this Elvis International Tribute Week here in Memphis, better known to locals as "Elvis Death Week."

And in honor of that, let's have a look at the Graceland webcams!

288 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:12:20am

There a NYTimes puffpiece (what else?) on Ned Lament this morning and how he's trying to reach out to "moderates" (read: relatively sane people). I won't bother giving the enemies from the Times any traffic, but I will link The Lieberman Purge from NRO.

The three-term Democratic senator with presidential ambitions provoked opposition from the left wing of his party because of his support for the war while there was a Republican in the White House; as a result, he drew a primary challenge from a relative political neophyte who opposed the war. But in 1970, Senator Scoop Jackson fended off Carl Maxey in the Democratic primary, and went on to be reelected three more times before his untimely death in 1983.

A generation later, it says something about the current state of the Democratic party that Joe Lieberman, the sole remaining Scoop Jackson Democrat, could not repeat his predecessor’s feat. Notwithstanding Jackson’s victory, the 1970 Democrats became the McGovern Democrats of 1972; today’s Democrats, led by kamikaze bloggers, give every indication of the same sort of self-immolation — only more so, as even a liberal like Hillary Clinton may fall victim to the tide because of her association with the relatively moderate Democratic Leadership Council, the only organization that produced a winning Democratic presidential candidate in the last quarter century.

I find it rather amusing now that the Democrats will be forced to dump money into a losing effort when they had a safe seat all along. No Republican in CT would beat Lieberman, but now the overwhelming majority of GOP voters will vote for Lieberman (the GOP candidate has massive baggage), the independents will go for Lieberman, and the Democrat establishment will be running far, far away from Lamont by the time the fall rolls around.

Sensing that, Lamont will have to move to the center and will alienate the kook fringe base of his, resulting in a complete implosion come election day.

It won't be pretty, but it will be fun to watch.

An added bonus will be the DNC will be diverting money from other potentially close races where they might have a chance for a pickup; instead, the money going to a losing cause will trickle down and cost them other races, denying them any shot at both the Senate and House.

Kos and his crazy cabal will be radioactive once the dust clears.

289 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:12:27am

#276 Kenneth

During this conflict, the main sources of information for Western media seems to be Lebanese & Hezbollah agents. So don't believe a damn thing in the msm about the nature of the military action. It's all bs.

It seems to make this victory, Hizb'allah had to overinflate many things to make this point of view.

Why not indeed. Time, money and political will. It's onething for a company to announce a product is ready (which may be just hype to promote their stock), andquite another to spend the money & time necessary to purchase, install & train the people to use new technology.

From my understanding the beauty of the TROPHY system was that it was completely automated. The only real training needed was when to turn it on and off (so you don't have friendly fire), and installation. But everything else was done by the system itself so the soldiers don't even have to think about it.

#277 Golden Jerusalem

Buried explosives are hard to counter, but OTOH can never be deployed with the flexibility, mobility and in the numbers that ATGMs can.

You can never 100% insulate a tank from a massive buried explosive device. Even if the tank's hull holds, the crew will still be killed. We have seen this with a few Merkavas in fact.

Very true, but one thing I've been wondering.

While it might seem that I'm reading too much science fiction, but does the IDF have any EMP's and if they do would they be workable in Lebanon.

The reason I'm thinking about this, is that Hizb'allah weapon improvement comes with a big weakness. If the IDF were to drop an EMP (or a few small ones on south Lebanon) wouldn't that disable most of the remote detonated explosives, ATGMs, and longer range missiles?

Aswell as just screwing up their communication systems?

290 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:12:39am

OT,

We are likely to have 12 planets in the solar system. Welcome to solar system plutons.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

291 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:13:13am

#281 Mike C.

Aack ! Just priced the laptop I really do need. $ 3,682. Guess that ain't happening anytime soon.

Hey, for a capitalist pig working in the profit laden oil industry, that should be lunch money :)

292 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:13:50am

from Washington Post...

Already Tempered Expectations

The UN hopes that 3,500 well-equipped troops can deploy to Lebanon within two weeks.

OK folks, since the cornerstone of this UN ceasefire rests on a "robusts UN force" to keep the peace, who here expects the UN to have even half the number listed above within 2 weeks? Remember the deal calls for 15,000 UN troops plus 15,000 Lebanese troops.

Kofi better start typing his strongly worded memo right now!

293 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:17:44am
294 katemaclaren  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:18:30am

#56 Mr. Krabs
Dictionary.com defines folks as "The common people of a society or region considered as the representatives of a traditional way of life and especially as the originators or carriers of the customs, beliefs, and arts that make up a distinctive culture: a leader who came from the folk.
Archaic. A nation; a people.

I wonder why people judge Southerners as dumb just because they use the word "folks" instead of the word "a**holes?"

295 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:18:35am

# 278 AI

The PRC is currently starting on a coal-to-liquids plant as well.

296 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:20:20am

I suspect political correctness has hit Astronomy too. Worthless puny rocks are being given the diginity of planets. Grade inflation and affirmative action hit Astronomy. How sizeist of us to deny planetary membership to worthless rocks. You goddamn rockist.

297 realwest  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:20:49am

Good Morning Y'all! It's a rainy, warmish (73 degrees, going up to 84 degrees) here in Charlotte.
This is a drive by posting as I have to eat and then go see my new doctor. I hope you all are doing well and will have a great day (I may get back for a few minutes in a while)!
BTW - just saw on the news ticker that Former President Gerry Ford, age 93, has been admitted to a hospital for "testing and evaluation".

298 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:22:07am

3 wood,

I haven't seend Eight Men Out in some time, but I recall baseball historians pointing out many inaccuracies back when it came out--guys batting righty when they were lefties, etc.

Hollywood always takes liberties. I can't think of specific instance off the top of my head right now, but there have been occasions when I'm watching a sports movie where I think "Um, it didn't quite happen that way..."

It's like those NFL Films team highlight reels where things are out of sequence.

I was watching Miracle with some nephews and their friends recently and it did accurately portray the 1980 hockey team and the results as they occured. I thought it was very well done. Using actual hockey players to portray the hockey players certainly helped. Nothing worse than seeing a Bernie Mac trying to swing a bat or a Keanu Reeves pretending to be a quarterback.

299 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:22:24am

♪ Good morning {LGF} ♪

big L

Oh it is just the flowery way they speak. Don't pay attention to the death threats and end-of-time rhetoric. That is just the Arabs way of negotiating.

I can't tell you how many times I've heard that lame, wishy-washy excuse. If these people could actually hear what's being said in Saudi funded mosques munitions dumps, they'd wet themselves.

300 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:22:50am

#280 christheprofessor


It would seem that a lot of lizards agree that Israel lost (I don't).

it all depends on what one considers "winning". Hezbollah took a serious beating & squandered thousands of Iranian supplied missiles for little damage on Israel. The IDF drove them from southern Lebanon. But the status of Hezbolah has been elevated in the Arab world and the Lebanese sovereignity degraded. So in that sense they won.

The real question is what happens next.

301 scaryfast  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:23:02am

OT Kinda:

CABLE NEWS RACE
Check out the top 5...see if you notice a trend.

MON., AUG. 14, 2006
VIEWERS

FOXNEWS O'REILLY 2,059,000
FNX BRIT HUME 1,614,000
FNC HANNITY/COLMES 1,496,000
FNC GRETA 1,485,000
FNC SHEP SMITH 1,179,000
CNN LARRY KING 805,000
CNN COOPER 798,000
CNN DOBBS 678,000
CNN ZAHN 669,000
MSNBC HARDBALL 456,000
MSNBC INVESTIGATES 451,000
MSNBC OLBERMANN 363,000

302 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:23:14am

# 286 ctp

Needing it would depend on Schlumberger loaning me a copy of a $ 100,000 piece of software. Which they might just do. What I priced is the properly configured Dell M65 they use worldwide for that app. If they do loan me the software, I might just bite the bullet, because learning it would be future money in the bank for me. Gotta keep up, but that's hard to do as a consultant.

303 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:23:45am
304 mkm19602000  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:24:58am

#292

Hey this ceasefire is Kofi's baby from start to finnish when it goes kablooie, we must do everything to direct the shitstorm to the correct place. Kofi and the Islam loving UN. This may be a blessing in disquise.

305 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:26:58am

# 291 3 wood

In my dreams. Besides, I don't eat lunch.

306 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:28:33am

zombie

I am lawyer enough to tell you start here:


put at the botton of every page on your blog

Copyright is simple, you don't have to register each image but you can for the most popular (scrotal inflator etc.)

Copyright 200x-2006 zzzzzz All rights reserved.

If the image is registered you can put the circle with the c on the image; but just notcie of the copyuright alone on the page is enough.

the x above is the year you created the images (i am assuming it is not pre-2000)

remember to update it to 07 on Jan 1 and you are good to go

the zzzzzz is the tricky part. As an anonymous person you want to stay that way but your choices are to use your real name or a company name- and that requires a lawyer or an entity to serve as the holder of the rights to the images

you can assign the images to zombietime to a new entity your lawyer creates listing the lawyer as the sole and only named individual on the papers (the lawyer better like you to agree to it) or you have to find an existing organization you trust, say pajamas media that will be assigned all rights in the copyrighted works while being honorable enough to honor a license back to you for all proceeds from the images

whoever you use, better be able to trust them as the enetity will own the copyrights to the images- your interests will only be as strong as the honor of who you assign the images too and the license back to you

this is the great divergence of internet life and reality- in reality- a human with a name or a company with registered owners owns the copyright on the images

you could try to incorporate a company using Panamanian bearer stock, but if homeland security ever gets windo of such a scheme, they and the IRS, take a dim view of such things. Suggest you don't go there.

307 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:30:10am

#301 scaryfast:

CABLE NEWS RACE
Check out the top 5...see if you notice a trend.

On a related OT note:

WHAT IS UP with Jonathan Mann's EYES?!?

308 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:30:27am

Westward Ho,

I suspect political correctness has hit Astronomy too. Worthless puny rocks are being given the diginity of planets. Grade inflation and affirmative action hit Astronomy. How sizeist of us to deny planetary membership to worthless rocks. You goddamn rockist.

I heard the story this morning about going from 9 to 12 planets.

Why not just declare anything bigger than a pebble as a planet and be done with it?

Of course, this will inevitably lead to Sheila Jackson Lee declaring that planet names are racist and we need a Planet Tameka mixed in so we show our diversity. Lee, of course, is the insipid Houston Congressthing who declared that hurricane names are predominately white and we need some Hurricane Tawanas and Moeshas to show our inclusion.

309 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:31:38am
310 Buck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:34:18am

#1 Zombie

this time, they didn't get any permission at all

That is because you don't exist!

-kinda funny when you think about it.

311 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:35:00am

#300 Kenneth

Yes, there is definitely a distinction between military and political victories, and it is quite possible to have military victories accompanied by a political loss of the original objective (Viet Nam comes to mind).

I would call this a military victory with a propaganda loss for Israel, only because Hezb'allah wasn't annihilated - frankly, anything short of completely breaking the hezbos' back would be portrayed in the Arab world as a victory over Israel, which is exactly what occured. And I blame that on Olmert's mishandling of the entire affair.


#302 Mike C.

I understand what you are saying. I'd never given it any thought, but I imagine one of the major drawbacks for consultants, as you allude to, is that you don't have the same access to the latest technologies as those employed in the large companies in "the field."

Hope it works out for you...

312 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:35:51am

Good Morning, All!

So I guess the next time my brother gives me Red Sox tickets I should check the dates on them....since he clearly can't tell the difference between Sunday Aug 13 and Tuesday Aug 15. Good thing I checked them before the BF and I made our way into Beantown.

I love the kid to death and it was very generous of him to give me the tickets so I can't be mad.

313 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:37:05am

#309 AI

No disagreement. I would like to know what ever happened to the stated goal of recovering the two kidnapped soldiers...

Seems that has been all but forgotten.

314 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:38:17am

#307 Golden Jerusalem
Must be Wesley Clark syndrome:

[Link: news.uns.purdue.edu...]


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

run away
run away

315 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:38:22am
316 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:40:00am

308 JammieWearingFool,

"Lee, of course, is the insipid Houston Congressthing who declared that hurricane names are predominately white and we need some Hurricane Tawanas and Moeshas to show our inclusion"

Unfrickingbeleivable, no sane person can distinguish between parody and reality. It looks like that came out of a badly written Iowahawk script.

317 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:40:15am
#280 christheprofessor

It would seem that a lot of lizards agree that Israel lost (I don't).


Thank you,
Chris the Pro.

The Democrats have pointed the gun from their feet to their balls.

WASHINGTON (AP) -- A Democratic political ad is under fire from Hispanics who say it unfairly compares Latino immigrants to terrorists.

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee sponsored a 35-second ad on its Web site that shows footage of two people scaling a border fence mixed with images of Osama Bin Laden and North Korea President Kim Jong Il.


All we wanted was to make them apply for citizenship,
The Democrats want to kill and eat them.
lo

318 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:40:15am

#289 manker:

Very true, but one thing I've been wondering.

While it might seem that I'm reading too much science fiction, but does the IDF have any EMP's and if they do would they be workable in Lebanon.

The reason I'm thinking about this, is that Hizb'allah weapon improvement comes with a big weakness. If the IDF were to drop an EMP (or a few small ones on south Lebanon) wouldn't that disable most of the remote detonated explosives, ATGMs, and longer range missiles?

Aswell as just screwing up their communication systems?

I don't know enough about Elctro-Magnetic Pulse weapons and their current state of advancement to really venture an opinion on that.

I do know, however, that some IDF vehicles are equipped with scrambling devices, which are supposed to prevent the explosion of nearby remote-controlled IEDs.

It's the device looks like an inverted broom on the Hummers, afaik.

319 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:40:26am

#312 {lopps}

That's the new date-math... ;)

320 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:41:57am

loppyd,

Wow, that's a bummer. I sent you a note upthread with a linky to Bob Ryan.

I have to go home and check my tickets for the Yankees at Baltimore games I'm attending next month. Don't want to get down there are realize there's a mixup. Did that one year with my hotel room.

"Uh, sir, we did have you booked for last night, but I don't see anything for today..."

And I guess, worst of all, no street meat for you?

321 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:42:34am

{ctp}

LOL!

I was exhausted yesterday and the Sox lost due to Will Mo's dropped ball so I guess it worked out ok.

322 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:43:47am

AI- South Africa has been making oil from coal since the apartheid days. IIRC, they have a company Stasoil (sp?) that specializes in it.


Nazi Germany also worked with it. Variations of the Fischer-Tropsch process, have been practical for decades, and at a high enough oil price become economical.


I love the sight of super-humongous cranes, up near Buffalo, TX, stripping off the top-soil to reveal the coal below. You can see natural gas wells and strip mining just hundreds of feet apart, as one drives I-45 between Dallas and Houston.

323 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:44:16am

#314 BabbaZee:

Must be Wesley Clark syndrome:

[Link: news.uns.purd......]


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH

run away
run away

LOL! It's nothing. If you actually see Jonathan Mann on TV (dunno if he's only on CNNi?), it's even freakier, he has THESE INSANELY BULGING STARING EYES.

Freaks me right out :P

324 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:44:35am

Kenneth, Good morning. I haven't talked to you in a while. What's new in TO?

Read it all. This is why the UN brokered ceasefire is a disaster. Hezbollah took an ass-kicking from the IDF but still claimed to be victorious and the vast majority of Arabs agree.

Precisely. Same thing happened when Israel mopped up in the Six-Day War in 1967. And I would strongly suspect in every other conflict from the dawn of time.

Humiliation bad. Saving face with lies good.

325 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:44:49am

JammieWearingFool

Good Morning, Jammie!

That should be fun to see the Yanks play at Camden Yards. Never been to a game there, but have always wanted to.

And I guess, worst of all, no street meat for you?

I made sausages, peppers and onions for dinner last night. Not the same, but still quite tasty.

326 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:44:51am

#315 AI

I've seen that and a lot of others. I'm just offering my take on it (see my #311)...

#317 ibm

You are welcome.

327 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:45:24am

Another NBA genius.

NBA's Baxter arrested for shots near White House

Charlotte Bobcats basketball player Lonny Baxter was arrested early on Wednesday after a witness reported gunfire near the White House, a
Secret Service spokesman said.

A witness flagged down a Secret Service officer about 2:30 a.m. (0630 GMT) and reported shots fired about five blocks from the White House, Secret Service spokesman Eric Zahren told Reuters. The witness also reported seeing a white SUV in the area, said Zahren.

The officer stopped Baxter's SUV and saw "in plain view a number of spent shell cartridges," said Zahren.

Baxter, 27, was arrested along with his passenger, Irvin Martin, 35, said Zahren.

Baxter, 6-foot-8 (2.2m) and 260 pounds (118 kg), is a four-year veteran of the NBA and currently plays for the Charlotte Bobcats. He has averaged just over four points during his pro career.

328 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:46:01am

BabbaZee

Wesley Clark ranks up there with the Ditech guy in the creepiness department. :D

329 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:46:24am

3 wood #283

Looks like we are in for a looned-out day. Could be entertaining.

Or from another perspective a snarky-weasle day.

330 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:46:57am

Or was it Sasol?

331 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:48:03am

#311 christheprofessor

And I [and EVERYONE else in Israel]blame that on Olmert's mishandling of the entire affair.

I just felt compelled to add it.


#318 Golden Jerusalem

I don't know enough about Elctro-Magnetic Pulse weapons and their current state of advancement to really venture an opinion on that.

I do know, however, that some IDF vehicles are equipped with scrambling devices, which are supposed to prevent the explosion of nearby remote-controlled IEDs.

It's the device looks like an inverted broom on the Hummers, afaik.

That is good, but you can see where I would be going with this. You could in the process in the first wave of bombings, destroy all their electronics equipment. This would force them to fight with more the traditional RPG and assault rifle, making them fall into a severe disadvantage.

332 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:48:06am
333 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:48:31am
334 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:48:56am

#281 Mike C.

It sounds like you are looking at Panasonic Toughbooks.

That is what I need. It will be a long time coming. Two kids, wife wears Italian shoes, Austrian business suits, and we travel more than is sane at our income. Oh well, that's life in the big city, I always say.

I am using a 7 year old Compaq M700. Dropped it once. It survived. I really need something bulletproof though. I haven't had to buy a computer for years. My IT systems admin brother used to give me the obsolete stuff the executives are always tossing away as beneath their status whenever something new and inproved comes along. I have two laptops and three towers and some huge CRT moniyorts as a result. I started to look at new machines last year as my brother left the French telecom he was working for and lost access to free stuff in his new position. The sticker price on state of the art is way ouch.
My brother is recommending the new Thinkpads as a durable but not indestructable alternative to the Panasonics. About 1k less for the same power I believe.

335 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:51:03am

Loppy
LOL
WC is CREEPIER - the man had actual power and authority
and he ran for POTUS

[shudder]

die-tech guy is just....Gordon!

336 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:53:48am
337 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:54:16am

loppyd,

Me and the boys do a trip almost evey year to Camden Yards, and we bring about 25,000 other Yankee fans, including a sizable chunk of the NYPD and NYFD. Always a good party.

Went one year for a couple Sox games, probably in 2000. My hotel was overrun by Sox fans. Had a lot of fun with those guys. If you ever go in the summer, get the club level seats (about $40-$45) since if you go back to the concessiona re it's enclosed with AC, bars and lounge areas. It's get so damn hot and humid there in the summer.

Failing that, you can always flee to the comforts of the Bambino Pub when it gets too hot.

Went to the relatively new park in Philly last year. Really nice, but there's nothing else in the area, whereas in Baltimore you at least have the Inner Harbor and Fells Point for dining.

339 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:56:42am

#331 manker:

That is good, but you can see where I would be going with this. You could in the process in the first wave of bombings, destroy all their electronics equipment. This would force them to fight with more the traditional RPG and assault rifle, making them fall into a severe disadvantage.

Oh sure. I just don't know whether EMP weapons have reached a state where they can easily be practically applied?

Also, an EMP weapon might cause a hospital Hezb'allah weapons storage facility to lose power and then all hell would break loose :P

/Speaking of EMP bombs, heh, the Chinese have a nice on in C&C Generals. Good to drop on the enemy base defenses before sending in the Carpet Bombing, muahahaha :D

340 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:57:40am

#298 Jammie

Hollywood always takes liberties. I can't think of specific instance off the top of my head right now, but there have been occasions when I'm watching a sports movie where I think "Um, it didn't quite happen that way..."

One of my favorite examples of that is in the movie Breaking Away. I know it was fiction, but you still have to be slightly believable. In the scene where the main character is riding his bicycle on the highway and supposedly keeping up with an 18 wheeler at about 50 mph, if you look real close the chain is on the small front chain ring of the bike. No way he was doing much over 20 mph when the scene was being filmed, probably closer to 18 mph. Also, the front quick-release hub is closed with the flange pointed forward. No experienced rider would do that cause the flange can catch on stuff that way, get flipped open and release the wheel from the frame.

Also, in the recent movie about Bobby Jones, they had Walter Hagen in competing tournaments he never actually played in. And there was a memorable scene where they showed an approach shot landing right next to a pin with the camera at grass level just behind the hole. The ball you see in the scene is a modern dimpled ball. And they had a scene where Bobby Jones father turns on a radio to listen to the broadcast of a tournament and the radio comes right on. I was not aware they had solid state radios back in the 1920's.

341 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:57:40am

#330 Manker

Heh. No problemo (just for the record, though, that wording you added made is sound like I was in Israel, which I am not -- I'm in North Carolina -- didn't want to get anybody confused)...

#332 AI

Israel should never have agreed to a cease-fire until the two soldiers were returned. Period. Moreover, they should never allow their citizens' lives or their national security interests to be subject to external control, which is exactly what the UN is doing (nor should we, for that matter).

Olmert needs to go.

342 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 3:59:50am
343 greenmamba  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:02:42am

David Warren's Ottawa Citizen column today:

Can Israel survive this catastrophe?

He references Caroline Glick's article (#315 American Infidel) and a Ha'aretz article by Avi Shavit here.

Things are grim & I think the world is getting ready to vote Israel off the planet.

344 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:04:30am

Hmmmm. Dell M65. That is a stomper. I was figuring Toughbook due to all of your travel and field work. I hope you find a way to get what you need. Good luck!

345 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:04:54am

Jesse Jackson jumps in to take the terrorist's case, namely their initial plan of killing and kidnapping Israelis in order to trade for terrorists in Israeli prisons.

"The cease-fire is a step in the right direction," Jackson said after talking to the Israeli and Syrian ambassadors here. "Release of prisoners would reinforce the positive direction."

There is a difference between a prisoner and a hostage.

Furthermore, there is a difference between prisoners of war (captured soldiers) and prisoners captured for crimes, like murder and attempted murder.

Jackson said he and other religious leaders would go to Syria "if we had the notion we could gain the release of prisoners on both sides. ... Such an effort would not be in conflict with our present policies because it would be humanitarian."

Releasing terrorists is good for humanity?

346 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:05:09am

NYT orgasming over Hez B'ALLAH:

Hezbollah Leads Work to Rebuild, Gaining Stature


[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

347 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:06:04am
348 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:06:25am

My favorite woman Brigette Gabriel said on the niel Cavuto Show yesterday

THIS IS A WAR AGAINST ISLAM


Bless you Brigette
you are the first person ot say it publicly that I have heard

349 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:06:37am

#336 AI

No, I separate the two because they are in fact two separate issues. Viet Nam was lost in the halls of Congress and in the MSM, not on the battlefields of SE Asia.

The military and the political branches may work toward the same ends, but they are in fact separate and distinct functionalities. Note that the US Constitution specifically puts the military under civilian (that is, the result of the political process) control, precisely because the Founders recognized the inherent dangers of allowing the military itself to pursue its own political agendas.

Regardless, I don't feel any better about it, either way.

350 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:08:07am

Analysis of UN Security Council Resolution 1701 to end the war and an examination of its significance (primary evaluation)
[Link: www.intelligence.org.il...]

351 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:08:25am
352 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:08:55am

#339 Golden Jerusalem

Oh sure. I just don't know whether EMP weapons have reached a state where they can easily be practically applied?

I hope this is also one of the avenues that will have more research put into it following the budget increases.

Also, an EMP weapon might cause a hospital Hezb'allah weapons storage facility to lose power and then all hell would break loose :P

BOO HOO, I'll have to pull out that really small violin then.

/Speaking of EMP bombs, heh, the Chinese have a nice on in C&C Generals. Good to drop on the enemy base defenses before sending in the Carpet Bombing, muahahaha

Never really a fan of the EMP. If it was already that late in the game, and that high up in the tech tree, I'd rather go with heavy artillery shower, nukes, and mass overlords attacking from 2-3 directions, Hehehe.

353 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:10:10am
354 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:10:49am

BabbaZee

How about those shoulder padded suits? Eeeeew.

die-tech guy is just....Gordon!

Forever branded into my mind. :D

355 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:10:58am

This guy writes a pretty good screed to some sprockety german asshole "artiste" who made a film teaching kids to hate GWB
(link to film is in there)

very creepy shit.


[Link: www.paetau.com...]

Gramscian socialist German fag artistes are the Caliphate's Whores too!

356 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:11:51am

Loppy
me too
everytime he shows up
all I see DT guy, LOL!

357 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:13:17am

Jammie

Went one year for a couple Sox games, probably in 2000. My hotel was overrun by Sox fans. Had a lot of fun with those guys.

I haven't had the same experience with Yankees fans. One guy called me the "c" word outside of Fenway in '04.

358 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:14:23am
#353 American Infidel 8/16/2006 06:10AM PDT
#343 greenmamba

Things are grim & I think the world is getting ready to vote Israel off the planet.

You ain't kidding...


The world can vote all they want
The place called Israel
and the people called Israel
belong to HASHEM /ELOHIM

and what happens to us
in in his hands alone

so the world can kiss my Hebrew ass.

359 USMC RECON  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:16:10am

#336 ai
You are so wrong it is amazing.
You have absolutly no idea of what is involved in war. For you to state we laot in Viet Nam shows your ignorance in matters of war

360 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:16:26am

#357 loppyd:

I haven't had the same experience with Yankees fans. One guy called me the "c" word outside of Fenway in '04.

Cute, right?

:D

361 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:16:46am

#329 jehu

:) I like you too.

362 wargammer2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:17:41am

#75 Zombie

i copy your web site about once a week, to keep a copy safe on my hard drive (or DVD)

we will need to document how the world went into the crapper at some point and i dont want info to get lost. i also copy other web sites (and will be doing more as i get servers up and running). the copies i have are not displayed anywhere

but i also donnate to Zombie Times (when i can, like just a few minutes ago)

363 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:18:06am
364 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:20:02am

{Golden Jaaaay}

I think it also had something to do with my W'04 baseball cap...

365 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:20:52am

OT - French Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy (and contender for presidnet next year) has pushed for a crackdown on illegal immigration.

He championed a new immigration law that makes it harder for foreigners to bring their families here, but easier for those with special talents. And the government is offering payments to illegal immigrants who agree to return home.

Payments are interesting. In principal, illegals are owed nothing, but pragmatically, it would almost certainly be cheaper/easier in the long run.

Sarkozy agreed to grant residency to those who could prove a strong link to France, giving them until Monday to apply.

They received 30,000 requests and plan to approve around 6,000.

The article fails to answer the question that raises, what will happen to the remaining 24,000, or indeed those illegals who didn't even apply? We know some will be offered bribes to leave, but what of the rest?

366 Buck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:21:02am
#280 christheprofessor

It would seem that a lot of lizards agree that Israel lost (I don't).

I actually agree with you. I don't think most lizards know what the true goal was.

IMO, it was to de-fang Iran's hand in the region BEFORE the the AUGUST deadline.

Iran has been clear that it intends to use Israel as a hostage (don't come near me, or I kill the girl). By putting hezbollah, Syria, and Lebanon on notice that Israel can and will defend herself it took a lot of wind out of Irans sails.

Also now Hezbollah has it in writing from the UN to keep to their own. There is nothing in the resolution about anyone getting to help defend Iran...

Remember: BIG GAME OF CHESS, and the idea (sometimes) is to distract the other player, get them on the defensive, just before going for the King.

367 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:21:11am

#355,BabbaZee

The use of the word Fag is offensive, there are homosexual posters on this site. Are you trying to link his politics and sexuality? Have you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?

368 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:23:53am

[peaks head around monitor]

Can I come in? I need a small dose of sanity in the midst of my chaotic work week.

I'm willing to donate some chocolate to the cause. Does Charles accept chocolate donations, I wonder?

369 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:24:14am
370 realwest  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:24:51am

Golden Jerusalem, manker, loppyd, Chris, BabbaZee,
3 wood, Manker, JammieWearingFool, Mike C., Miss Trixie, Ed of many names and everyone else I didn't identify personally - Good Morning (again!).
Hope Y'all are doing well. Gotta leave in about 20 minutes or so to go to my new doc - how are you all doing?

371 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:26:13am

#352 manker:

Never really a fan of the EMP. If it was already that late in the game, and that high up in the tech tree, I'd rather go with heavy artillery shower, nukes, and mass overlords attacking from 2-3 directions, Hehehe.

Aaaah yesssss!

Overlord...Excellent with the upgrades, Gattling/Bunker/Speakertower, hell ya.

I usually played "Limit Superweapons" though, so there wouldn't be many nukes about in games.

The EMP bomb was good for paving the way for a strike, cos it took out (temporarily) all GLA stinger nests/ USA patriots, which in late-game could be hard to carve a way thru.

I EMP-ed an enemy once and flew a massive fleet of Helix right into the enemy's base and airdropped a huge army in the middle of his base :D

he didn't particularly like that :P

372 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:27:18am

Morning all on this August 16, 2006...

AI: I'm starting to bug out a bit. After today I won't be back until Monday the 21st as I'm traveling...

Loppy: Morning! Sorry about the Sox... Huge series this wekend though... Sorry about your tix (or lackthereof). Not like my Mets aren't crapping the bed in Philly this week... Worried about Perdo's calf...

373 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:27:24am

To our Venezuelan lizards, you may soon have trouble reaching the world.

Hugo threatens to nationalize steal nation's largest provider of telephone, mobile phone, and internet service.

374 jpsfudimo  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:27:33am

Tuscola County prosecutor holds cell phone youths.

From Northeast Intelligence Network.

*16 August 2006: Every American who cares about the safety and security of our country is indebted to Tuscola County, Michigan County Prosecutor Mark E. Reene. Yesterday, Mr. Reene issued a statement standing behind the felony charges he filed on Saturday against three Middle Eastern men for their activities involving bulk cellular telephone purchases. more

375 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:27:42am

#349 christheprofessor

We lost Vietnam due to the PERCEPTION and MORALE of the Amercan public.

Is it a coincidence that this is when the left gained it's power?

Is it a coinicdence that they lost us that war through WORDS and IMAGES
propaganda and lies
controlling the pamphlet that the lazy ass public takes....

and they have been at it every since
in every area of American life
whittling away at the Judeo-Chrsitain basis for society

waging war with our way of being
replacing it under our very noses and no one seems to notice

Imagine the level of DECEPTION
in news
during the time of Viet Nam that we were unaware of.....

no blogs....
no one to check it

who knew Cronkite was such a moonbat?
No one. You thin khe didnt have an agenda?

[Link: www.uhuh.com...]

Shit ....people still believe the winter soldier crap which was proven a fraud
and that muthafucka had the balls to run for president and almost win! MOF that's s his whole street cred, it's why many people back him

Hes a friggin commie operative
we have been infiltrated
the gramscian socialists are the caliphates whores
and if it werent for the blogs right now the lies would be staggering
they are holding back because they know we are watching
and they are still full of shit
they dont know how to be any other way

how long do you think they are going to let us have this power without challenging it?
as soon as a dem takes office they will go after the blogs - the UN already tried gaining control of the internet ....

They will come after us it is garronteeeeddd

Propaganda...
words..
images...
win and loose wars
because most people are pamphlet takers

they write the pamphlets
and mold public perception to their agenda

and WE are fucking that up for them .

GOD BLESS AMERICA

GOD SAVE THE BLOGOSPHERE

376 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:28:16am

and
GOD BLESS ISRAEL

377 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:28:52am
378 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:29:04am

realwest

Good morning!

Can't complain....woke up, had coffee with my BF, it's a beautiful day.

Good luck at your appt. with the new doctor.

379 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:29:29am

{loppyd} Hiya, toots.

Wesley Clark ranks up there with the Ditech guy in the creepiness department. :D

Agreed. Do you remember when the blogger of "Allah in the House" photoshopped Clark, Querry et al? It was hilarious. Unfortunately I cannot make a link because they're broken.

So funny in the pants.

Remember?

380 USMC RECON  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:30:25am

ai Your simplistic reliance on the opinions of others to formulate your own opinions where you lack knowledge and experience allows you to pontificate your defeatism.
Try tobase your opinions on what you know and what you have done.

Don't follow ,lead.

381 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:31:10am

babbazee,

so the world can kiss my Hebrew ass.

Please send picture,
and I will let you know.

lo

382 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:31:19am

#370 realwest

I'm doing great, thanks. I hope your health is holding up. How is your tooth situation doing?

I have to get my patience together today. I have to go to a faculty meeting tonight at the moonbat factory for the coming fall term. I got called yesterday by my Stalin-worshiping fellow Prof to make sure I show up cause I skipped the last several. They say they need my input on some new web-based stuff they want to set up.

Riiight.

That means they want me to do the work setting it up. I think I'll tell him to go get Joe Stalin to do it.

383 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:31:30am
#367 Westward Ho 8/16/2006 06:21AM PDT
#355,BabbaZee

The use of the word Fag is offensive, there are homosexual posters on this site. Are you trying to link his politics and sexuality? Have you heard of the Log Cabin Republicans?

Holy thin skin batman

I am not politically correct.
I dont apologize for it either

But I am harldy what you accuse me of here.

Relax.

384 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:33:17am

{RECON}

If you're still around....

May I offer you this?

Obviously, certain people care more about making their point than respecting those who served or currently serve in the U.S. Military.

385 grayp  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:33:19am

good morning everyone!

#365 Silhouette

The problem with the illegals in France is that many of them have children who were born in France and know no other country. There have been marches and protests all over the country, not a few by teachers.

386 realwest  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:33:55am

#378 loppyd - Thanks loppyd! This should be painless; it's with an internist who I (according to my HMO) have to see to get a referral to an oncologist. Both the internist and the oncologist (whom I located first and referred me to the internist) and the hospital and oncology centers that they are affiliated with all take my HMO and they're all within 3/4 of mile from where we now live! Took some detective work, but unless Internist or Oncologist turn out to be putzes, it should work out just fine. Thanks for the good wishes.
Sorry about your Bosox non-game!

387 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:34:06am

loppyd,

#357 loppyd 8/16/2006 06:13AM PDT

Jammie

Went one year for a couple Sox games, probably in 2000. My hotel was overrun by Sox fans. Had a lot of fun with those guys.

I haven't had the same experience with Yankees fans. One guy called me the "c" word outside of Fenway in '04.

Someone called you cute?

Hey, there are idiots in every bunch. I nearly came to blows with some drunken fool out in the bleachers at Fenway, until some sober fans managed to pull the soon-to-be-deceased out of my reach.

That was around 1 pm on a Sunday afternoon; the guy was bombed out of his skull and was just begging for a beatdown.

I've had some near altercations with drunks in Yankee Stadium as well as Giants Stadium. Fortunately I know NYPD and NJ state troopers who work the games. They handle the mess and I don't get charged with manslaughter. A win-win in my book.

388 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:34:31am
GERMANY was poised yesterday to shatter its most enduring postwar taboo by sending troops into the cauldron of Lebanon, where they risk coming into direct conflict with Israelis.

OH SHIT,
They will start marching towards Israel,
and turn North Into Poland,
Hold on to your Bomb Shelters,

World War 3 and a half.

389 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:35:15am

#366 Buck

Interesting thoughts. It is quite possible that there were larger strategic aims of which we, the relatively uninformed public, have no knowledge. It that case, we are just spinning our wheels complaining about the outcome, as the publicized goals differ from the actual goals...


#375 BZ

That's the point I have been making. The leftists in the US, via the MSM and their control of Congress, snatched a political loss from the jaws of military victory.

As I recall, didn't the top Vietnamese general indicate they were just about to throw in the towel (I believe after Tet) when they realized that they could manipulate American public opinion through the media (e.g., Cronkite)?

390 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:35:27am
391 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:35:50am
392 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:36:50am

367 Westward

are you suggesting that we are not allowed to discuss the sexuality of someone just because people of the same persuasion post here and are of similar political position?

as for "The use of the word Fag is offensive" . . . i've worked with more than 1 homosexual person who called themselves, and others, fags and faggots.

is it going to be a "You're not one of us, so you can't use our cool words" issue?

393 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:37:10am

# 334 Akomanyuki

No, just a Dell M65, with maxed out hard drive and a few other bells and whistles. Not going outside with it, so no need for a Toughbook. All the Dells in the office withstood the spring duststorms, whereas my Toshiba required repair.

Sorry for the delay, but had to go get The Mighty Geo legal. Inspection was 2 months out of date.

394 realwest  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:37:26am

#385 grayp -Morning y'all! How are you this soggy morning?

395 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:37:45am

#381 ibmkeyboard
Hahhehhehehahahhah hooo.

RECON
for you

396 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:37:55am

#370 realwest:

Hey buddy.

I hope you're doing well.

I guess I'm doing all right. Had a reasonably constructive day at work and got a decent evening to look forward to, so yeah... I shouldn't complain.

397 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:38:02am

Michelle Malkin: The Fauxtography Scandal Continues...

I am in love with the last sentence...go on and read it...

398 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:38:20am

3 wood

Heh. I can make two guesses as to which organization you are referring to. :-)

399 mama winger  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:39:03am

I keep thinking of those jihadists using children as pawns in their sick propoganda war. We see those pictures non-stop in the media. Why don't we see these kinds of pictures? Fair and balanced, ya know.

[Link: www.ak-prepared.com...]

Maybe we need a minister of propoganda. Any volunteers?


Oh, and Good Morning! :)

400 m  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:40:07am

392 LanceKates
I'd think that would depend on how you mean it. My best friend is a fag and he'd laugh if I said it... but someone who doesn't know and love him-- different story.

401 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:40:08am

382 3 Wood

wait..... so when the lefties want actual work DONE.... they ask you to do it?

heh. how emblematic.

402 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:40:21am

Mike C.

Good Morning!

Sorry for the delay, but had to go get The Mighty Geo legal. Inspection was 2 months out of date.

The POS is up for inspection this month. That should be a joy.

Putting it back on Craigslist today reduced by $1000. Crossing fingers and toes.

Best friend just bought an Outback. She LOOOOVES it. Of course, I thought of you.

403 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:41:05am
404 realwest  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:41:33am

Well, hate to leave, but gotta go - hope everyone has a great day and hope I get to see ya later on
today or tonight!

405 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:00am

#392 tfc3rid

Worried about Perdo's calf...

If only his calf was the biggest concern. His shoulder is hurt and I suspect a partial rotator cuff tear. I would not depend much on him the rest of the year. And having Steve Trachsel be the second best pitcher on the team now would not give me the warm fuzzies. Hopefully, it works out for the Mets and their loyal fans.

406 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:05am

#387 JWF:

Hey, there are idiots in every bunch. I nearly came to blows with some drunken fool out in the bleachers at Fenway, until some sober fans managed to pull the soon-to-be-deceased out of my reach.

That was around 1 pm on a Sunday afternoon; the guy was bombed out of his skull and was just begging for a beatdown.

I've had some near altercations with drunks in Yankee Stadium as well as Giants Stadium. Fortunately I know NYPD and NJ state troopers who work the games. They handle the mess and I don't get charged with manslaughter. A win-win in my book.

Wait a minute? Drunken disorderly conduct, potential for violent altercations, real hatred between fans?

Perhaps baseball really is a sport, after all, bwahahaha!

407 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:13am

Miss Trixie 379,

I'll have you know Allah is the same Allahpundit over at Hot Air.

408 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:18am

Okay, how come I can't see the YouTube video on this thread? I can see the one on the Green Helmet Guy threads. Hmmmm...

/ie 6.0 sp2

409 brent  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:24am

I showed that clip to my wife last nite, told her to remember that face, said she might be seeing the next Goebbels, Hitler.

When the history of this time is written, guys like this will be labeled as propogandists, war mongerers, enablers - too bad it's not so obvious to all now, when it matters.

I wonder if CNN would have aired Nazi propoganda unchallenged. My guess is, that if Hitler had invested in CNN, that answer would be yes.

The last lines of Terminator come to mind for some reason...

"...a storm is coming".

410 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:42:42am

372 tfc3rid

Thanks, buddy!

It worked out ok that I wasn't there. Got to go to sleep early, but bitter over the loss.

411 USMC RECON  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:43:12am

{loppyd}

{Babba Zee}

Sorry lopps. 3

412 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:43:22am

Hey, can somebody please post the YouTube link in a comment here? Thanks!

413 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:43:42am

Later, realwest!

See you this afternoon.

:)

414 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:43:47am

Oh yeah. 'Morning, all!

415 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:44:00am
416 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:44:00am

400 m

if intent determines the ability to use one word, then why is it the word that is deemend offensive, and not the person saying the word?

417 m  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:44:08am

Hey realwest! Glad to hear you got everything set up with your docs! Are you taking my advice and slowing down?! We're laid back in the south, sugah ;-)

(Now that your doctors are set up anyway. I understand not being able to relax until then, that's for sure.)

By the way~ tell your mom I said she definitely doesn't look her age :D

Neither do you for that matter!

418 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:44:46am

#389 christheprofessor
Yep. I didnt direct it to you because I thought you didnt know that, but because you did... I was just ranting!

Oy


#392 LanceKates
Yes, this has been my experience as well,
MOF the closest gay friend I ever had (who unfortunately died of AIDS in 2000) always referred to himself and all of his friends as "fags" too.

419 m  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:45:00am

416 LanceKates
Things that make you go hmmmmm.

*shrug*

Like I said, I don't think the word is offensive. Unless intended that way.

420 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:45:06am

heh. only 'intent' was supposed to be bolded.

421 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:45:18am

Jacoby: When Mike Met Mahmoody The Cutie...
Or-as TalkinKamel sez: The "ooh-ooh Mahmoud" factor...

422 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:45:23am

3 wood 361

I don't mind the difference of opinion here, even stronly stated. I will take exception to secret handshakes and back channel comments. Have differences with a poster or their opinion?

Then say it to them, not some frat boy chortling in the background. This is not GCP that was founded on tearing down other people, or snide comments about people on other blogs. I am sure you know better.

423 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:45:41am

Ward see 395

424 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:46:50am

Fauxtography: The media scandal continues
By Michelle Malkin

[Link: www.JewishWorldReview.com...] |

It's the story that the journalistic elite would rather just go away. In the aftermath of Reuters' admission that one of its photographers, Adnan Hajj, had manipulated two war images from Lebanon after bloggers smoked out his crude Photoshop alterations and all 920 of his Reuters photos were pulled, evidence of far more troubling photo staging and media deception in the Middle East continues to pour in.

Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs (littlegreenfootballs.com) calls it "fauxtography."

One of Hajj's photos was an iconic image of a dusty dead child with a clean blue pacifier clipped to his shirt, paraded by a corpse handler at the site of an Israeli airstrike in Qana, Lebanon. Mainstream journalists have sneered at bloggers' suspicions, first raised at EU Referendum ( eureferendum.blogspost.com), that some of the gruesome photos from that scene may have been staged. Washington Post photographer Michael Robinson-Chavez, who was at Qana, huffed: "Everyone was dead, many of them children. Nothing was set up." But last week, a German television station aired damning video footage from the scene showing a lead propaganda director (dubbed the "Green Helmet Guy") positioning a young boy's corpse, yanking it from an ambulance, placing it on two different stretchers for the cameras, and pushing bystanders out of the way for clearer shots.

[Link: jewishworldreview.com...]

425 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:47:36am

#392, LanceKates,

"are you suggesting that we are not allowed to discuss the sexuality of someone just because people of the same persuasion post here and are of similar political position?."

No BZ tried to link ( unconsciously possibly ) homosexuality to the extreme left politics of the person. And why may I ask should the person's sexuality be discussed unless he had committed some crime.

426 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:47:59am

RECON

Sorry lopps. 3

Yep....but then again we have over 40 games left to play. I haven't lost hope yet.

427 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:48:16am

#387 Jammie

Hey, there are idiots in every bunch

Ain't that the truth. You really don't want to sit in the outfield stands at a White Sox home game. The fist fights/altercations are practically non-stop. Some areas at the new Soldier Field are about the same way.

428 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:49:01am

419 m

well, if the offense is intended, then EVERY word one utters should be found offensive, not just certain keywords.

and that is, in fact, how it is. if one uses that word to describe themselves, but then complains that someone else calls them that, it is out of a perception that the other person must obviously discriminate against them.

Ever notice that every 'peoplegroup' except white people (specifically white males) have such a keyword?

sure, racial white words are things like Whitey, Cracker, Ghosty, etc. . . but those aren't deemed socially unacceptable, even though there is extreme hate involved in the utterance therein.

If people want the equality they claim they want, then they can join the club.

*grin*

429 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:49:09am

LanceKates,

Let's drop this.

430 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:49:26am

Ahhh,
Our service in Vietnam, I admit that I did not deserve to be on the same battlefield with John fKing Kerry, and Al Gore.
but did the Commies take over Thailand? not yet, did the Commies take over Indonesia? not yet, did the Commies take over India? not yet?
We lost Vietnam and Cambodia, but 900,000,000 millions are still free from communists.
Commies planned to take the entire Southeast Asia, or so they thought.
Lost, I dont think so,

and anybody that thinks different can kiss my Scotish-Irish ass,
I will send pictures.

431 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:50:02am

WriterMom,

Even on vacation, Malkin kicks butt.

Meanwhile, the media ostriches carry on. Joe Elbert, Washington Post assistant managing editor for photography, told ombudsman Deborah Howell smugly: "We don't use tools to change reality." Newsflash: You are the tools being used.

Ouch.

432 tfc3rid  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:50:04am

AI:

Pleasure... Going to a wedding with the GF back in the People's Republic of Madison (WI). I always figured the 22 was just a ploy on psyche...

3 Wood:

Ugh... I just want 6 innings, 2 runs from Petey when he goes out there... Don't pitch hurt though, we are ahead by enough (but not enough for my tastes...)

Loppy:

Good then that u missed that disaster... Not fun... And the MFY comeback made me almost vomit during my workout at the gym.

433 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:50:22am

391 American Infidel

Rice: Not U.N.'s job to disarm Hezbollah


Then why are they going into Lebanon unless it is to keep Israel from defending itself>

Rice is now a full-fledged pod person.
(I've remarked how reasonable people go into the State Dept and come out Arab-loving, like they are replaced from pods in the basement. Not that I believe that)

434 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:17am

{Miss Trixie}

Good Morning!

Creepy, icky, sleezy....I'd kill to see those photoshopped pics!

435 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:26am

#371 Golden Jerusalem

Aaaah yesssss!

Overlord...Excellent with the upgrades, Gattling/Bunker/Speakertower, hell ya.

I usually played "Limit Superweapons" though, so there wouldn't be many nukes about in games.

The EMP bomb was good for paving the way for a strike, cos it took out (temporarily) all GLA stinger nests/ USA patriots, which in late-game could be hard to carve a way thru.

I EMP-ed an enemy once and flew a massive fleet of Helix right into the enemy's base and airdropped a huge army in the middle of his base :D

he didn't particularly like that :P

Hehehe, I was never really that quick or coordinated to have an EMP land in time. I'm a turtler.

Thats what I had preference for China, I'd drown my enemy with my own units.

Sure I'd lose all my infantry, and really have a small force of Overlords, but boy were those guys strong from all the expierence. Hehehe, they always said I was lazy. But hey I prefer carpet nuking, thats why I never limited super weapons, wheres the fun in that? ;)

436 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:52am
437 mama winger  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:53am

#427 3 Wood

and yet there is a field, so fair, so pure, that sitting there on a summer's day is an experience of gentle people enjoying gentle breezes. A genteel crowd, happy and content. Plus hot dogs.

:)

438 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:53am

Hi Miss Trixie. Nice to hear from you too. THings are good, busy summer with the family (& therefore not so much time spent hanging on LGF).

To join the debate on who won or lost: the IDF score minor achievments in degrading Hezbollah's military stores, & driving them from southern Lebanon. Both of these achievments will be quickly undone as Hezbollah returns with new weapons supplied by Syria & Iran. None of Israel's major goals were achieved. Hezbollah won the political battle in the eyes of Arab world, no matter how many died or how many missiles were destroyed.

If the war resumes, which it may soon enough, Israel can convert these short term achievments into major goals only if they effectively wipe out Hezbollah. That would include killing Nasrallah. They must be defeated & seen to be defeated in the eyes of the Arab world for this to be achieved. Bombing Assad's palace in Syrai would be helpful in that regard.

439 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:53:59am

#421 WriterMom

Funny you should mention the 'oooh Mahmoood' factor. I watched the entire uncut interview on c-span and was able to observe again that moment where Wallace is duped into thinking DinnerJacket was getting a note about 'fixing his jacket'. Mike gulped that lie down like a cherry and resumed dancing along to the organ grinder's monkey's tune. Couldn't count the 'ooooh Mahmood' moments as there were so many.

440 Geepers  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:55:02am

WriterMom (#397),

You were right, the last line was worth the article.

441 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:56:18am

Amnesty International accuses Israel of targeting Civilians:
[Link: origin2.amnesty.org...]

Human Rights Watch dismisses Hezbollah's use of human shields:
[Link: www.hrw.org...]


International Federation of Human Rights Leagues (FIDH) accuses Israel of "war crimes"
[Link: www.fidh.org...]


PNGO (The Palestinian NGOs Network)
compares Israel's military operation in Lebanon to the Holocaust
[Link: www.pngo.net...]

442 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:56:52am

Grrr...work beckons. Can someone give me a good excuse to get out of here and go home?

/mumble mumble

443 Mike C.  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:57:10am

Geez, again with the EMP crapola ? Haven't we beaten that particular dead horse into a microscopically thin film often enough here in the last couple of years ? Nobody in the ME, including Israel, has the means to do that effectively.

444 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:57:32am

Lancekates,

I am a Vietnam Redneck White Cracker

lol

445 Westward Ho  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:57:42am

LK & BZ,

Don't kid your selves the word Fag is deeply offensive, it is a visceral kick in the emotional solar plexus.

446 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:58:24am
447 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:58:31am

From the Jacoby piece linked above:

Fawning over despots is something of an old habit with Wallace. His ``60 Minutes" whitewash of the late Syrian tyrant Hafez Assad in 1975 so pleased the Damascus regime that years later the Syrian embassy in Washington was still distributing transcripts of the program. In 1990, as the Soviet Union was coming unraveled, Wallace assured his viewers that many Soviets ``look back almost longingly to the era of brutal order under Stalin." Writing in Commentary the following year, David Bar-Illan described an obsequious Wallace interview with Yasser Arafat: ``Had he treated American . . . politicians this way, he would have been drummed out of the profession."

No danger of that. Wallace told the Boston Globe last December that if he could go one-on-one with Bush, he would ask him how someone so ``incurious" could be suited for the presidency and whether his election ``has anything to do with the fact that the country is so [expletive] up." A pity, Wallace must think, that America's president isn't more like Iran's -- that ``rather attractive man," as he gushed about the world's leading Holocaust denier last week, ``very smart, savvy, self-assured, good looking in a strange way . . . infinitely more rational than I had expected him to be."

It's fitting a fraud like Wallace will leave the scene with an abomination like this. Sums up his career perfectly.

448 FrogMarch  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:58:36am

390 Writermom

good article.

In the 1930’s, the passion behind Nazism arose from a burning sense that the German people had been gypped, that the infamous “stab in the back” of the Versailles Treaty had deprived the nation of its rightful position of world leadership. Islamo-Nazis feel an even more galling sense of injustice, oppression and unfairness, since hostile forces have, in the view of the devout, denied them the chance to live out their divine endowment of world dominance.

449 m  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:58:40am

#444 ibmkeyboard
And a precious one at that!

:D {ibmkeyboard}!

450 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:59:01am

Well folks we have had the Israeli/Hezbollah/Lebanon dust up, a foiled terror attack originating in Britain, a possible discovery of a terrorist plot in its infancy in the US, and mounting evidence of Iranian involvement in Iraq. If I was a resident of Australia right about now I would be getting a little nervous. They are the other major ally who has been there from the begining and have a no nonsense PM and a large Lebanese population. This may be their week and if Ahmanutjob stick to the script next week will be event somewhere in the world.

451 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 4:59:04am

There's talk (just talk, mind you) that Canada may be asked to supply troops to stand guard in the Mediterranean to prevent arms and munitions penetrating the Lebanon border into Hizbollah hands.

The sound you hear are L3 heads splodin' all over the place.

Frankly, I'm all for it.

{grayp} Good morning. Do you have a link to your dinner party post?

Thanks.

:D

452 loppyd  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:00:21am

Jammie

Agreed.

The bleachers can be pretty rowdy...and there are always your token drunken idiots ready to pick fights. Stuupid.

453 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:01:17am

[parachuting into middle of food fight]

Good morning!

Something I meant to post yesterday but never got around to it...

Liberal self-parody watch

From the letters to the editor in yesterday's New York Times (print edition), we have this gem:


To the Editor:

"U.S. Transportation Security Agency Prohibits Carrying Liquids and Gels on Flights" (news article, Aug. 11) reports that a British Airways spokesman "said the airline had advised travelers to put books in checked luggage."
Fine. Take my iPod, my laptop, my food and drink, but leave me my worn copy of "War and Peace" on that long trans-Atlantic flight.
To ban reading material is to acquiesce to the very ignorance we are supposed to be fighting.
The few seconds it takes to leaf through a book to check and see that it is not a hiding place for explosives seems well worth the effort.
Unless, of course, it is the power of words and a literate populace that the government fears is dangerously subversive.

Wilhelmina Condon
Seattle, Aug. 13, 2006

There is no terrorist threat! It's all just a pretext for BushHitler and Blairolini's secret war on reading.

Keep in mind, the Times thought this letter was smart enough to be worth printing.

454 USMC RECON  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:01:31am

I usually ignore your rants and defeatism. When you make statements which are factually incorrect in an area in which I have first hand knowledge,, I will not .

You are entitled to your own world thoughts.

When you get to the point in your life where you have lead ,wether, professional or personal , more then just yourself ,then you can question my motives.

455 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:02:36am

#430 ibm

Good point. I've posted before that both Viet Nam and Korea, ultimately, were just extended battles in the larger Cold War, which we most definitively won.

Note that communism wasn't wiped out (China, Norks, Cuber, and Venezuela) and it can still rear its ugly head, if not kept in its place. I guess that's the nature of fascism...

456 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:02:40am

#431 JWF

Isn't it the best? She is soooo not to be messed with!

#438 Kenneth

Yo! You coming to lunch on the 22nd?

#439 NoSubmission

Dictator Adulation is so yesterday.

#440 Geepers

I'm telling you-I am IN LOVE with that last paragraph. Way to work those words...

/not worthy, not worthy

457 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:03:04am

444 ibm

*gasp*

that's offensive!

how dare you admit to having served in the military!

/ L3

458 mama winger  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:03:17am
442 vxbush 8/16/2006 06:56AM PDT

Grrr...work beckons. Can someone give me a good excuse to get out of here and go home?


Alcohol?

459 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:03:37am

#375 BabbaZee

Shit ....people still believe the winter soldier crap which was proven a fraud and that muthafucka had the balls to run for president and almost win!

Of course some did and still do, but I think it is important to say many, many never did, the majority. The appearance that so many Americans thought ill of our troops was as much an illusion as the lie itself.

I bring this up not because I took it that you didn't. No.

But to make an important point to our Vietnam veterans because of what one said a few years ago. When Kerry was running and everything he said through the years was being re-examined, one poster here said that he was so relieved that the truth was "finally" coming to light and Americans were "now" seeing that the troops were not the criminals or drug-addled defeated ones they were portrayed as being.

He felt vindicated. But to be vindicated implies one once stood accused, and most people didn't buy that crap for a second.

It never occured to me before that post that our vets might not know how everyone felt. Part of the smear against our troops was a constant message sent by the news, the movies, and in many cases teachers, namely: Everyone knows the troops did bad things, so you should believe it too. The bandwagon appeal. It didn't work on most people but I now see how it could have convinced some vets that everyone thought it of them.

We had parades and built monuments, but ultimately, the voice of the people could only be told by the media, and they were often lying. All the vets heard was that we hated them. We didn't, we don't. You weren't vindicated because you never were indicted.

460 Spiny Norman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:03:44am

#441 BabbaZee

Israel's continued existence is considered a "crime against humanity" by those useless organizations. Palestinian "work accidents" are Israeli "crimes" in their eyes.

461 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:03:53am
462 Kirly  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:04:30am

{Miss Trixie}

Hi! I answered you on another thread last week but I doubt that you saw it. I have much more work to do these days so I'm no on in the morning anymore. Most of my surfing is in the evenings and with my being way out west in the beautiful Sonoran Desert, that's probably the middle of the night for everyone east of me.

Hope you're doing well. I almost lost another one of my beloved kitties to kidney failure but she's doing ok now. For a 14 year old kittie, that is!

Email me if you like!

463 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:05:45am

#439 NoSubmission

Further to the Dictator Adulation being very 1930s...I would also add it to the THEY WILL NEVER FREAKING LEARN COLUMN...just like the Palestinians. There is a new wave of babies being named...drumrolll please HIZBALLAH and NASRALLAH...

Suprise suprise...

How happy do you think all the little SADDAM babies are now? And the little Uday's and Qusay's?

NEVER EVER LEARN...

464 formercorpsman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:05:56am

Say whatever the hell you like. (Fag) Words are just words, and more than a few Americans have spilled their blood to protect this constitutional freedom.

What that constitution never guaranteed, was the right not to be offended when hearing something offensive.

This is what PC apologists do. They can't even hear words without hyperventilating. Remember Larry Summers at Harvard?

Nancy Hopkins, a biologist at Massachusetts Institute of Technology, walked out on Summers' talk, saying later that if she hadn't left, ''I would've either blacked out or thrown up."

Get off the "I am offended" PC bandwagon.

This is why the very bastion of critical thought, (higher education) has succumbed to everything but, allowing an individual to process critical thought on his or her own.

What's next, gulping for air?

Pavlovian.

465 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:06:05am

#436 American Infidel

Friendly advice:

You should regin your attitude in here.
Not because RECON will "blog-kick your ass" or anything so irrelevant and ridiculous.....
but because you are disrespecting an honorable man
and making an ass out of you in the process.


Dont make the mistake of lumping him in with any crowd or people that you have previous grievances with.

This is not the case. Recon is Recon, period.

You are especially full of yourself today.
You could have had the discussion respectfully if you gave it any thought.

Back it up.

466 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:07:20am

mama winger

Heh--that won't work. I don't drink. Next idea?

467 Killgore Trout  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:07:58am

CAIR stinks...
CAIR-MI Welcomes Dropping of 'Terror-Phone' Charges
Muslim civil rights group says men targeted because of religion, ethnicity

The Michigan chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-MI) today welcomed the decision of an Ohio prosecutor to drop terrorism-related charges against two men from Dearborn, Mich....


"We welcome the government's acknowledgment that these men were not involved in terrorism, but we are concerned that the knee-jerk reaction by law enforcement was based on the religion and ethnicity of those arrested," said CAIR-MI Executive Director Dawud Walid. "Unfortunately,

the handling of these incidents will only serve to increase Islamophobia in our society."

Translation, "Don't investigate us, it makes us look bad."

468 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:08:37am

#460 Spiny Norman
I know it. GAHHHHHH !

469 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:08:49am

Flat Fatima has her own blog!

[Link: unluckiestpropertyownerwoman.blogspot.com...]

470 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:09:45am

#435 manker:

Hehehe, I was never really that quick or coordinated to have an EMP land in time. I'm a turtler.

Thats what I had preference for China, I'd drown my enemy with my own units.

Sure I'd lose all my infantry, and really have a small force of Overlords, but boy were those guys strong from all the expierence. Hehehe, they always said I was lazy. But hey I prefer carpet nuking, thats why I never limited super weapons, wheres the fun in that? ;)

LOL! I varied and adapted my strats (strat would also depend on map and resources, etc.), but would usually try to go for map control/strangle enemy econ.

Sometimes I'd rush too.

I had a good humvee/ missile ranger rush down with the US. Could totally devastate the other guy's base in no time if he wasn't prepared for it... :D

I usually played LAN vs. the same coupla guys, so they didn't fall for that more than once or twice.

Still, the knowledge that I might rush was enough to keep the enemy defensive often, allowing me to map-grab :P

By the same token, one of the guys screwed me totally with a very unexpected Chinook chopper-drop of a coupla humvees w/ missile guys in my base early in a game. I had no base defenses and was utterly and totally screwed :P

It was annoying as hell, cos I basically pioneered those tactics in our games, lol

471 mama winger  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:09:55am

#466 vxbush

Nope. Dat's all I got. Unless you wanna stab your self in the face with a stapler. That one might get you Workman's Comp.

472 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:10:43am

459 Silhouette
nice post ....thanks for it

473 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:10:46am

3 wood,

I've been told to avoid Comoskey, or whatever phone company it's named after, especially after dar.

I'll be in Chicago next spring and would like to take in a Cubs game if they're scheduled at the time. Just to see what the Wrigley aura is all about (other than losing). I've been by there in the offseason.

The Blackhawks will already be golfing by the end of April. I imagine the Bulls will still be playing.

474 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:13:07am

#398 vxbush

You got it.

#401 Lance

Amazing, isn't it.

#422 Jehu

Have differences with a poster or their opinion?

Then say it to them,

FYI, the only poster here I have had significant differences with here asked me to stop talking to them when I pointed out they were full of crap on something that I happen to be an expert in. Fine, I can respect that request. But then that closes the option of discussing the differences with that person.

With regard to what goes on on another blog, I would hope folks here would focus on bringing quality stuff to the table here everyday and not be worried about what is going on someplace else. With regard to the blog you seem focused on, I haven't been over there in along time, so I don't know or really care what is going on there. There was a fracture in the "family" here for a while for various reasons, but that seems to have worked itself through. Charles settled a few things, and LGF has moved forward. How's about we move forward with it.

475 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:13:21am

Major PIMF: Comiskey...after dark

476 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:14:13am
#455 christheprofessor

#430 ibm

Good point. I've posted before that both Viet Nam and Korea, ultimately, were just extended battles in the larger Cold War, which we most definitively won.

Thank you Chris,
Sometimes I get too Strong, but the Smart overcome the Angry. lo
I forgot I do have a Plaque on the wall that says, thank you for your service in Winning the Cold War,
1945-1989
when Russia fell.

But those Russian made rockets still give me the shivers, and killed several of my friends. Now they have new and improved,
And they are using that shiite on the Israelis.

477 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:14:43am

471 mama winger

Uh--no. :-) Not interested in shedding blood to get out of today's workload.

Anyone else got any ideas?

478 Yank in the EU  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:15:30am

When Tamimi is talking about "the greatest jihad" by Muslims to destroy Israel, as in the jihads of Lebanon and Gaza by Hizballah, Hamas and IJ, this has nothing whatsoever to do with violence but rather inner struggle.

/Karen Armstrong

479 mama winger  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:15:47am

#473 JWF

You will be lucky to get a ticket - and I hope you do, for as 3 wood well knows, Wrigley Field is the only game in town. It's like going to church. :)

480 Black George Bush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:15:55am

morning everybody!

481 christheprofessor  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:15:57am

Well, I have to head to the office... Quite bummed, I was hoping to ride the new (used) motorcycle*... Been putting off leaving while looking at the radar... Clear blue skies but seems that rain is on the way....

You folks have a wonderful day...

*Since I won't be here to answer the inevitable question -- Suzuki Intruder VS1400GLP... ;)

482 tangonine  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:16:03am

OT: Hezbullah refuses to leave border, UNLESS:

BEIRUT, Aug. 15 - Hezbollah refused to disarm and withdraw its fighters from the battle-scarred hills along the border with Israel on Tuesday, threatening to delay deployment of the Lebanese army and endangering a fragile cease-fire.

The makings of a compromise emerged from all-day meetings in Beirut, according to senior officials involved in the negotiations, and Prime Minister Fouad Siniora scheduled a cabinet session Wednesday for what he hoped would be formal approval of the deal. Hezbollah indicated it would be willing to pull back its fighters and weapons in exchange for a promise from the army not to probe too carefully for underground bunkers and weapons caches, the officials said.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

483 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:16:08am

#463 WriterMom

Oriana Fallaci should have done the interview, like she did with the Ayatollah Khomeini when she tossed off her headscarf in front of him after he hissed, 'Well you don't have to wear it if you don't want to.'

484 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:16:22am

#445 Westward Ho
I have always liked your posts
which translates to ~
I probably like you as a person
so... to you personally,
I will apologize as if you were a friend who asked me not to use the word in their presence...and I will not use the word if I see you here.

That being said, as I stated in the first response, I do not believe in the cult of PC
and I do not abide by it's rules.

But I will respect an individual friend's request and I choose to handle this case that way.

Fair?

485 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:17:44am

vxbush,

Tell them you're still in mourning over Elvis, 29 years later.

486 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:18:42am

#395, #423 BabbaZee

Thanks Babs!

487 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:19:37am

I find the name "WestwardHo" offensive to the occidental prostitute community.

[ducks]

488 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:19:59am

483 NoSubmission

Now that would have been worth watching. Instead, we get Weasel Wallace in there.

Bah.

489 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:20:20am

#437 mama winger

and yet there is a field, so fair, so pure, that sitting there on a summer's day is an experience of gentle people enjoying gentle breezes. A genteel crowd, happy and content. Plus hot dogs

Yes, I know, Wrigley Field.

490 NoSubmission  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:20:36am

France insists that Hizbollah disarm ahead of troop move
By Martin Arnold in Paris, Roula Khalaf in London and Harvey,Morris in Jerusalem

Published: August 16 2006 03:00


French officials yesterday in-sisted Paris would resist leading a bolstered international force in southern Lebanon without Lebanese government assurances that Hizbollah, the militant Shia group, would be disarmed.

The requirements were spelled out on the eve of today's visit by Philippe Douste-Blazy, French foreign minister, to Beirut - a visit likely to prove pivotal in deciding the fate of the multi-national United Nations force proposed to police the ceasefire between Hizbollah and Israel.


[Link: www.ft.com...]

491 DesertSage  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:20:45am

This is simple.

Muslims say that they have "grievences" with the policy of western countries. They won't tell anyone what exactly those grievences are.

In acuality, they only have one grievence...the existence of Israel.

Israel presents a problem for their worldwide Caliphate. If they can't wrap ALL of the middle east into a Muslim dominated, Sharia controlled region, how are they going to control the whole world?

America supports Israels right to exist. That's their grievence! That's the ONLY problem they have with us!

So let's just call a spade a spade. Whenever Lefty says that we must listen to their "grievences", just know that Israel is their grievence! That's it, that's their ONLY grievence.

So Lefty has to make a choice. Lefty has to make a stand in this election year. Do they support Israel or not? Let's get it on record once and for all...so everybody knows where they stand!

492 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:21:18am
#75 zombie 8/15/2006 10:06PM PDT

My payment will be hearing the words "Nazi kike" coming out the mouth of a MSM news anchorman, attributed to the American Left. That's payment greater than gold.

Well put, zombie, well put.

Hell, that's greater than Platinum!

493 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:21:22am

487 OR

especially those migrating toward the setting sun?

494 Silhouette  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:21:24am

#474 3 wood
#401 Lance

One of the funniest Orwellian words is activist. Most earn that title not by any activity whatsoever, but by standing around demanding others do something.

"We want City Hall to..."
"The American people need to stop..."
"We demand that the US government..."

495 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:21:25am

#470 Golden Jerusalem

LOL! I varied and adapted my strats (strat would also depend on map and resources, etc.), but would usually try to go for map control/strangle enemy econ.

Sometimes I'd rush too.

I had a good humvee/ missile ranger rush down with the US. Could totally devastate the other guy's base in no time if he wasn't prepared for it... :D

I usually played LAN vs. the same coupla guys, so they didn't fall for that more than once or twice.

Still, the knowledge that I might rush was enough to keep the enemy defensive often, allowing me to map-grab :P

By the same token, one of the guys screwed me totally with a very unexpected Chinook chopper-drop of a coupla humvees w/ missile guys in my base early in a game. I had no base defenses and was utterly and totally screwed :P

It was annoying as hell, cos I basically pioneered those tactics in our games, lol

Some guy did that to me, but that was because he was map spammer, where he would just train to win in that map.

I'd sometimes enjoy destroying the entire economy of the map especially for map grabbers. If you depend on oil derrecks, well I just bombed all my enemies ones. Put a tamper on the cash flow because usually they didn't think to spend money on the units that produce money.

That hit and run with apaches accomplished this well.

496 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:21:33am

#485 Jammie

Oh yeah, this is Elvis Day. I was at lunch from my job then, driving around in my mom's car (I had just gotten my license a couple of weeks earlier), when I heard about Elvis on the radio.

497 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:22:13am

Morning, BGB!

498 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:22:15am

485 JWF

Not bad, not bad. Except I despise Elvis (except for one or two of his songs) and I think I've told people this. I just don't think it would fly.

499 Just_A_Grunt  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:22:39am

#490 No Submission
[blockquote]France insists that Hizbollah disarm ahead of troop move
By Martin Arnold in Paris, Roula Khalaf in London and Harvey,Morris in Jerusalem [/blockquote]
Ah yes the Fwence model. That is what they did when Germany threatened them.

500 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:22:47am

#487 Occasional Reader
You are just too funny for your own good.

501 Buck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:23:11am

HRW:

Was Hezbollah's capture of Israeli soldiers lawful?

The targeting and capture of enemy soldiers is allowed under international humanitarian law. However, captured combatants must in all circumstances be treated humanely.

Hezbollah leader Hassan Nassrallah has stated that the captured soldiers will be used to negotiate the release of Palestinian, Lebanese and other Arab prisoners from Israel. The use of captives who are no longer involved in the conflict for this purpose constitutes hostage-taking. Hostage-taking as part of an armed conflict is strictly forbidden under international law, by both Common Article 3 and customary international law, and is a war crime.

Why can't we find a decent lawyer to procecute this war crime case?

502 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:23:23am
Tell them you're still in mourning over Elvis, 29 years later.

Also from the "That Sucks" file...

Actor Bruno Kirby dead at 57

503 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:24:34am

494 Sil

I used to work with a lesbian who wanted to be a 'professional activist' on lesbian issues.

I asked her to explain it, and she said that she wanted to be a professional activist on lesbian issues to 'bring about positive social change'

I responded "So, you want people to pay you to complain about how unfair your life is?"

504 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:25:06am
505 alkmyst  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:26:25am

Golden Jerusalem, Manker

Guys, we gotta set up LAN and get it rolling! I'll even boot into Windows for that! :-)

My personal preference is running GLA with the Stealth General (helps to think like they do sometimes)

Which reminds me - have you seen the Technical anywhere lately?

506 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:26:31am

Dirk ~
That does suck.
He will always be young fat Clemenza to me...

RIP Bruno

507 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:27:44am

Jammie

I'll have you know Allah is the same Allahpundit over at Hot Air.

Oho! Thanks. I was aware of that but I miss his old style of writing and his zinger humor.

{BGB} Good morning!

Everything just fine with you today?

Kirly

Check your email please.

:D

508 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:28:54am

#495 manker:

Some guy did that to me, but that was because he was map spammer, where he would just train to win in that map.

I'd sometimes enjoy destroying the entire economy of the map especially for map grabbers. If you depend on oil derrecks, well I just bombed all my enemies ones. Put a tamper on the cash flow because usually they didn't think to spend money on the units that produce money.

That hit and run with apaches accomplished this well.

I'd always grab oil derricks for the $1,000 bonus, but never expected to be able to keep them intact.

I'd focus on getting multiple Supply Centers going from different piles and then, once researched, I'd make Supply Drops/Black Markets/ Hackers.

I especially liked the Chinese hackers cos you could stash em in corners all over and stuff. Cool unit :P

Hey, I should dust off the ol' game (lent it to a mate, I was playing AoE III a lot lately). We could hook up and play over the web some time :D

509 Geepers  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:29:33am

BabbaZee (#465),

but because you are disrespecting an honorable man

And how many does this make?

And here's my friendly advice to you, when someone consistently ignores your friendly advice they don't respect you either.

510 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:31:18am

#505 alkmyst:

Guys, we gotta set up LAN and get it rolling! I'll even boot into Windows for that! :-)

My personal preference is running GLA with the Stealth General (helps to think like they do sometimes)

LOL, yea! No kidding.

I haven't played in ages though and I'll hafta get my mate to relinquish the discs :D

I'm definitely up for it some time, tho!

511 m  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:31:19am

Geeze... later y'all.

512 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:32:15am

#509 Geepers

Ahh but it is my decision how long my fuse is.

513 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:32:42am

#473 Jammie

Yes, the area around White Sox park can be not the best, especially at tnight when there are no games. You will like Wrigleyville much better, very good night life, etc. The Blackhawks might as well stop playing by January, but the Bulls look to be pretty good. Not great, but good. Of course, if you draft in the early 1st round as much as they have for the last 10 years, you should be by now.

514 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:33:21am

Maturity of the Soul
--------------------

The ultimate elevation of the soul is to find it has purpose. To discover that it is not here simply to be, but to accomplish, to heal, to make better. In that moment of discovery, the soul graduates from being G-d's little child to become His representative.

A Daily Dose of Wisdom from the Rebbe
-words and condensation by Tzvi Freeman
Menachem Av 22, 5766 * August 16, 2006

515 Riwka  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:33:28am

No proofs for chemistry weapons in south Lebanon

Fabric samples of eight alleged chemistry weapon victims from south Lebanon do not contain arrears of chemical agents. That resulted in an investigation of the institute for forensische medicine at the Frankfurt Goethe university on behalf the pool of broadcasting corporations magazine report Mainz. Striking and muscle tissue of eight were analyzed mysteriösen corpses from south Lebanon.

By Thomas Reutter, SWR, report Mainz

Eight humans had died on 17 July with an Israeli missile attack on a bridge in the southLebanese Rmeile. The dead ones with a remarkably black skin colouring had been in-supplied to the salvage right after to the Bachir Cham hospital to Sidon. According to data of the hospital the cause of death was unknown.



[Caption:
Assumed a chemistry weapon delivery in south Lebanon: Professor Bachir Cham]

The owner and Chefarzt of the hospital, professor Bachir Cham, explained opposite to reporters, it had not ever seen such a black coloration of corpses. German journalist the Belgian-Lebanese cardiologist “I said is safe, the Israelis uses any toxic substance, those about the skin into the body perhaps penetrates.” In the interview he expressed the suspicion, the Israeli military uses forbidden chemistry weapons.
Photo is to show garnet for C-weapon delivery



[Caption:
This photo is to show Israeli poisonous gas garnet. This concerns a projectile to the mine sweeping.]

Later a further alleged voucher emerged for the fact that Israel could have chemical weapons. One of these proofs should be a photo of a looking strange bomb. The picture shows an artillery projectile, which was designed particularly for gas and phosphorus, a German newspaper wrote.
Israel denies C-weapon delivery

The accusations were taken up by some newspapers and Fernsehstationen, provided however particularly on various web pages, Internet forums and Weblogs for sensation. tagesschau.de reported due to the unsecured facts not over the reproaches, particularly since the Israeli government denied to use chemical weapons.

Forensiker: No referring to C-weapons

Report Mainz assigned professor Dr. Hansjürgen Bratzke, the director of the institute for forensische medicine, with an analysis of the fabric samples. According to its investigations it concerns with the puzzling black colouring of the skin “resting upon soot particles”. Professor Bratzke considers it “impossible” that the “soot film” could have caused the death of the concerning on the skin surface. Referring to an effect of war gases would have had to be noticeable - according to professor Bratzke - with the analysis.

The bio and chemistry weapon expert January van Aken confirm this representation. “A chemistry weapon”, thus van Aken, “black on the skin settles, does not give it at all.” Also biological weapons are not possible van according to Aken.

[Caption:
Fabric samples are taken from the eight corpses]

The withdrawal of the samples took place under supervision of the German relief organization Medico international.
Expert: Photo shows mine-clearing equipment

Also the photo of the artillery projectile is not a proof for Israeli chemistry weapons. The armament expert Otfried Nassauer identified the system in a technical book: It is a projectile for the clearance of mines. “Even if the equipment were technically suitable, in order to fire thereby also poisonous gas - the range amounts to 65 meters. It is most improbable that somebody comes on the thought to fire thereby poisonous gas because one would nevertheless endanger the own soldiers thereby

(via google translated from:

[Link: www.tagesschau.de...]

516 Phoenix  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:34:04am

From Daniel Pipes at FrontPage, kudos to Charles and zombie:

· Reuters: Adnan Hajj, a freelance photographer with over a decade’s experience at Reuters, doctored his pictures to make Israeli attacks on Lebanon look more destructive and Lebanese more vulnerable. His embellishments created thicker and darker plumes of smoke from bombing raids and posed the same woman bewailing the loss of her bombed-out residence in three different locations. Reuters fired Hajj and withdrew 920 of his pictures from its archive. Further research by bloggers uncovered four types of fraudulent pictures by Reuters, all exaggerating Israeli aggressiveness. The bloggers even documented how a Reuters picture was staged.

517 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:34:24am
518 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:34:38am

With all due respect to the 'Nam vets here, I can't agree that "we won in Vietnam". And yes, that despite the fact that our troops were never defeated on the battlefield, and that the US maintained military superiority right through 1973. Wars are fought for political ends, and our immediate end was not achieved (thanks to the US political establishment losing its nerve); the communist flag flies over Saigon today (which was not renamed "LBJ City"). Sad but true.

You can look at Vietnam as a battle in the Cold War, true; in that case, we won the war, but not that particular battle.

519 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:35:01am

War and Cease Fire Analysis

Israel must have won because Robert Fisk says they lost.

But Hezbollah is racing to undermine the cease-fire's main conditions: their presence in South Lebanon and disarming.

This puts two realities on a collision course- something has to give. Even the French won't go into South Lebanon without Hezbollah agreeing to give up its weapons. Anyone would be crazy to do so, Hezbollah are very bit as dangerous as they are made out to be. The problem is that, under threats of death and terror, the Sinora government, has allegedly agreed to allow Hezbollah to keep their weapons so long as they are "hidden."

The government of Lebanon is acting in violation of UNSC 1559. It is not that most Lebanese do not want Hezbollah disarmed, they lack the might, the will and the balls (other than Jumblatt) to do what it takes to make it happen.

This is a pivotal moment for Lebannon- it isi time for them to sieze the moment or become a province of Syria. Israel is not backing down- she has said she will not pullout unless Lebanon meets its obligations.

But the Lebanese are lucky, Syria just wants to dominate them and rape their women. Hezbollah, Syria and Iran want to kill Israel. The crime is Jewish existence; the penalty is death. There is no appeal from the ruling but the IDF and US friendship is all that keeps the rulign from going into effect.

While Hezbollah did not achieve much in this war, they are still around and liek all totalitarian scum, they are busy cheating on the agreement and rearming and sending in fresh troops as fast as they can. I am sure Jihadis are flying into Syria from all over the world to "help." Syria will arm and train them and send them right over the border.

The war was inconclusive and the behavior of the principal enemies is unchanged. Israel's choices are back down and let the sewer overflow sometime in the future (which in the current situation will not be long, or act now in an effective ways that conclusively end the conflict in their flavor.

A while back I suggest that Israel directly confront Syria for their role with Hezbollah and terror, in today's JPost, Prof. Efraim Inbar reaches the same conclusion. Terror has an address; turn up the heat on the little pimp in Damascus and he will crack. He cracked in 2005, he will crack again. He is weak and, under enough pressure, he folds every time.

Without Syrian support Iran has no access to Lebanon and Hezbollah no route for weapons. Stand on their windpipe and the Hezbos are finished.

Punishing Iran also makes sense; I would have Mr. Gillerman submit a bill for the war damages. I would also tell Iran that it would be shame if anything were to happen to their oil shipments if they did not pay.

Iran has announced major military "exercises," whatever they plan for the 22nd, (six days away!), they want to be on maximum military alert. This is exactly what you do when you plan on a starting a war.

Only an immediate and devastating strike on Iran's oil infrastructure can deter these monsters. Mr. Bush, histroy will wirte that had you acted prior to August 22nd, things would have been less bad.

Japan began her war against China in 1937; the world did nothing while Nanking was destroyed and raped- the ignored war mushroomed into much bigger things. I use the verb mushroom quite intentionally. We may be on the verge of a great deal of mushrooming.

For three years now I have written this: if Iran has the bomb, Hezbollah and al Qaeda have the bomb. Next week, I fear I will write, Hezbollah and al Qaeda have the bomb because Iran has the bomb. If events do not take place to stop the "joyous" news planned for August 22nd, we are about to see the first real nuclear war.

The western world should be on maximum alert next week.

And somewhere 3 young men wait to see what, if any future they will see.

520 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:35:52am

3 wood 474

I can abide that. Did not know you had not been to GCP lately. I have not looked over there in a while, but I am aware that things were not quite settled between factions here.

In that the same group of posters (that I mistakenly at this point took you as part of) continually talk it up among themselves what (loons) some of us are over here, then periodically descend as a flock when one of theirs gets into it with someone here.

I have seen it dozens of times and been on the receiving end more than a few times. So when I see the little code words and seemingly snide comments it is not easy to distiguish where it is aimed. I take it for a shotgun blast intended for all in range.

I would rather spend my time here fighting the jihadists, and LLL's, the enemies of us all rather than factions that actually have a much more dangerous common enemy.

521 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:35:56am

*hugs m*

don't leave me alone in here!

3 wood talks about golf... i feel inferior...

and OR keeps giving me an odd look... I think he's turning cannibal....

*huddles in the corner*

522 Golden Jerusalem  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:36:56am

#505 alkmyst:

Which reminds me - have you seen the Technical anywhere lately?

MAN! I saw the SAME PIC and thought THE SAME THING!

Ain't that a kick in the head? :D

I gotta run, but I'd definitely be on for some LAN/ online-play some time, after I retrieve my game discs, maybe over the weekend.

Drop me a mail sometime ;)

523 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:39:16am

#506 BZ:

He will always be young fat Clemenza to me...

"Leave the gun, take the cannoli."

524 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:41:08am

O.R. 518

Here is one Vietnam Vet that agrees with your assesment. And the South Vietnamese that went to the re-education camps and thousands died, would think we lost that also. You cannot look at how we left in those helicopters, evacuating the embassy and think that is the actions of victors.

Not to say the military did not win...they did, but it is not about the military. It is always since WWII, about the politics. Perhaps with nuclear weapons, humanity cannot aford to fight a war where one side totally wins. So we get these miserable little proxy wars.


What Russian did to us in Vietnam...we did to them in Afghanistan.

525 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:42:22am

#504 American Infidel

[insert deep sigh here]

It is all about style, presentation, intent.

Yes, to war for truth is righteous. And I know that is how you think of yourself.

But to war for personal gratification and
"being right"
is not.

Like I told you yesterday regarding prophecy,
the truth has no spirit of
Nya Nya Nya Nya Nya in it...

Have you known me to kiss anyone's ass?
Ever?
I was not advising you to kiss anyones ass.

As I said you could have had the conversation if you had handled respectfully.

To dismiss out of hand anyone elses' opinion is the thing you say you chiefly despise about your enemies and it is also a good way never to expand your knowledge base.

Do not become what you accuse others of being.

526 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:42:32am

Writer Mom,

I will try to attend lunch on Aug 22nd, but I'm not certain.

527 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:43:34am

523 Occasional Reader
Paulie? Won't see him anymore.....

528 quark2  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:44:05am
Whether you like it or not, the U.S. of A. lost in Viet Nam and Israel lost with Hiz b'allah...

WTH is this? Were you here in the United States
during the Viet Nam war? Anybody in your family
serve in the United States military during the
Viet Nam war?
If not, SFTU and STFD.
We did not lose the war on the ground, between
the corrupt and biased media and the cut and run
weasling cowards in our congress the war was
sold out to the communists. You should recognize
the disengenious behaviour of the communists.

529 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:44:22am

Also I would like to point out how RECON handled a disagreement with a poster as THE model of maturity and respect. He did not recruit for gang agreement, nor descend into name calling. I wish I had one half of his maturity, and could keep up with him on a run of his mountain.

530 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:45:55am

London-to-Washington flight diverted to Boston


Might as well post the whole thing:

BOSTON --An overseas flight from London's Heathrow Airport to Washington, D.C. was diverted to Boston on Wednesday after the pilot declared an emergency because of a passenger disturbance, the airline said.

United Flight 923 with 182 passengers and 12 crew members landed safely at Boston's Logan International Airport, United spokesman Brandon Borrman said.

A Logan spokesman said three passengers had a confrontation with the flight crew. State Police took control of the plane after it landed. All the passengers were being taken off the plane and their carry-on luggage was being checked, said spokesman Phil Orlandella

Now this could be overreaction. They haven't said if there were any "asians" involved.

531 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:46:56am

524 Jehu

"Perhaps with nuclear weapons, humanity cannot aford to fight a war where one side totally wins. So we get these miserable little proxy wars."

What humanity cannot afford is these miserable little proxy wars.

There has never been a weapon invented that has not been used at some point, looking back at hisotry.

and each weapon was ruled so inhumane that it should never be used.

The machine gun was thought to be wholly inhumane when it was first invented because of the way it could just mow down the enemy troops.

now we use it regularly.

532 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:48:55am

Lance, I'm here, although I don't know how much support I can give. You have to keep me well supplied with the necessary food groups: caffeine and chocolate.

533 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:48:58am
Also I would like to point out how RECON handled a disagreement with a poster as THE model of maturity and respect. He did not recruit for gang agreement, nor descend into name calling. I wish I had one half of his maturity, and could keep up with him on a run of his mountain.

I heard Recon killed a Grizzly with a grapefruit spoon. How can you not respect that?

534 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:50:15am

# 389 christheprofessor

I think the NV were pretty media-savvy before Tet. It's possible media manipulation figured into planning for Tet. However, I do not think the NV or the VC expected to be dealt the massive defeat they suffered. They believed the SV population would rise up on their side, but the SV preferred their own government, corrupt as it was, to the prospect of a Communist takeover, and stood pat. US and SV forces counterattacked ferociously and it's believed the VC were finished as an effective force. There was another battle a short time later in which we inflicted 40,000 casualties on the NV forces.

So in the end, whether by accident or design, the NV were handed a victory by the US media. (They must have been stunned by their incredible good fortune.) And the media have NEVER admitted their culpability.

The narrative of the big bad superpower being humbled and defeated by a bunch of peasant guerillas in pajamas (which many LLL's stupidly compare to the U.S vs. Britain in the revolutionary war) is a lie. It was a long and difficult struggle, but we were winning the war by attrition even before Tet, and Tet was pretty much the death blow for the VC and NV. Then the media committed its original sin.

535 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:51:22am

On Fox's Website:
Breaking:Onboard Emergency Diverts United London-to-D.C. Flight to Boston

536 got milk?  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:52:16am

The 1000, cell phone thing. I read an article that said they were previously stopped, questioned and released by the FBI. Do you think the FBI wanted to see where the trail ended?

537 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:52:28am

532 vxbush

That, I can do!

(considering what you've said chocolate does to you, I found this chocolate form to be fitting)

538 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:52:32am

I heard Recon killed a Grizzly with a grapefruit spoon. How can you not respect that?


ROTFF

539 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:52:57am

LanceKates 531

There has never been a weapon invented that has not been used at some point, looking back at hisotry.

Yeah...even nukes were used as soon as the paint was dry. Terrible thought, the unused nukes sitting around...waiting, waiting. Interesting that the Bible talks of a weapon that would make flesh melt, and the elements melt with fervent heat. The word element used in 1st Peter is also the word we get Uranium from.

540 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:53:54am

536 got milk

I'm afraid that the FBI is still filled with "career minded" people from the Clinton Era....

They may not have wanted to 'offend' . . .

541 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:54:12am

#524 jehu:

You cannot look at how we left in those helicopters, evacuating the embassy and think that is the actions of victors.

I think it was you that put it pretty well in a post not long ago regarding Israel/Hizballah: "If you have to come up with a convoluted explanation for how you've 'won', you probably didn't." Or words to that effect. Victory in war is clear-cut and requires no nuanced explanation.

#531 Lance:

The machine gun was thought to be wholly inhumane when it was first invented because of the way it could just mow down the enemy troops.

With the machine gun in particular, I think it was developed pretty eagerly with the idea of putting it to use... the French and Germans were quite eager to "git it on" following the Franco-Prussian war.

542 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:54:35am

533 Dirk

I heard Recon killed a Grizzly with a grapefruit spoon. How can you not respect that?

Damn! I would have let the Grizzly have the grapefruit.

543 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:58:01am

Lance, the first link worked; the second didn't. So while I appreciate looking at the chemical composition of caffeine, it doesn't do me as much good.

Where's galloping granny? We need to start talking caffeine IV drips again.

544 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:58:08am

I'll be impressed if/when Recon "grins a bear to death", like Davy Crockett.

545 jpsfudimo  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:58:30am

From Fox news.

Woman said to have screwdriver, jar of Vasoline and a note reference Al Quiada. sp

546 Kosh's Shadow  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 5:59:46am

More on the diverted London-to-DC flight

A United Airlines flight from London to Washington, D.C. was diverted to Logan International Airport after a confrontation between two or three passengers and after authorities found a "prohibited item" in one of the passenger's carry-on luggage.

Federal officials are saying the diversion of flight 923 is not terrorism-related though there was concern about the flight's security.

One of the passengers involved in the fight was reportedly bound in the back of the plane, airport officials said. An FBI spokeswoman said the bound passenger was a female suffering from some form of claustrophobia. News reports have said the woman was carrying Vaseline, a screwdriver and a note referencing Al Quaeda.

Was it really Vaseline?

547 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:01:52am

541 OR

that's just it. the people who develop them, develop them to use them.

that's how weapons work.

even the nuclear type.

then, the rest of the society stands back and says "that's horrible!"

but it gets the job done.

548 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:02:40am

542 Jehu

more importantly, what was a grizzly doing with a grapefruit spoon?

549 Kenneth  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:03:09am

#525 BabbaZee

For some people admitting they are wrong about anything and somebody else is right IS kissing ass. Such people will do anything, say anything, & deny everything just to keep on saying they are always right.

550 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:03:12am

543 vxbush

it was a chocolate grenade.

551 got milk?  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:03:31am

Was it really Vaseline?

no it was petroleum jelly ;)

552 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:04:29am

#533 D.D

ROFL! If that ain't a man's man-what is?

553 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:05:26am

#549 Kenneth
[heavy sigh]
Highly Illogical!
[Link: webpages.csus.edu...]

554 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:06:12am

#520 Jehu
Sorry for the delay, work intervened.

I have seen it dozens of times and been on the receiving end more than a few times. So when I see the little code words and seemingly snide comments it is not easy to distiguish where it is aimed. I take it for a shotgun blast intended for all in range.

And so have I. I have also tried to step in at times when the flaming got real bad and tried to be a peacemenker. This may surprise you but I also have defended some of the people here that at times are targets, but I that seems to have been forgotten. I don't do it your way, I do it my way. I also try to give people the benefit of the doubt too, and allow for different senses of humor. You do have to admit though that at times it has gotten a little irrational around here.

If you notice, I try to only talk about what I know about: economics, sports, a little music, college teaching, government, Chicago, a few other things. I know enough not to run my yap on things I don't know much about and I try to stay quiet on that stuff, and try learn from those who do.

would rather spend my time here fighting the jihadists, and LLL's, the enemies of us all rather than factions that actually have a much more dangerous common enemy.

Then lets do so. I think we are on the threshold of the most crucial era of our time. So let's try to work through these items here and reason together, and be known for the quality of our contributions here.

555 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:06:40am

550 lance

Hmmmmm....I could think of a few uses for one of those. Of course, it would have to be dyed with green food coloring.

re: diverted plane--this makes absolutely no sense to me.

556 USMC RECON  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:07:51am

Not a grapefruit spoon, A soda can pop top.

557 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:08:13am

# 541 Occasional Reader

I don't think it's such a "convoluted explanation" ? We won on the ground, lost in the media.

The British won most of the battles in the Revolutionary War, and the South was winning victories against overwhelming Federal power right to the end in the Civil War, but there is no question that, in the end, both the British and the South lost militarily (Yorktown was definitely decisive). You can, however, make a loss-of-will argument for the Brits as well.

I think it's very important to distinguish between military defeat and "loss-of-will" defeat. Calling Vietnam a flat-out "defeat" sends the wrong message. If people do not understand that Vietnam was a loss-of-will defeat via criminally negligent reporting, and not a battlefield defeat, they will think it's "impossible" to win guerilla/insurgent conflicts, and this, in turn, will lead to bad decision-making (as we have already seen many times).

Yes, "nuance" IS important in this case.

558 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:08:40am

I would like to retire the defeatist tag. AI is essentially right when she claims that military victories are a small part of the equation in this current conflict.

I'm not a defeatist. I'm very concerned about the West's lack of seriousness when it comes to our present conflict.

In particular I'm sick and tired of how American and Israeli wars are mismanaged by political classes more concerned about placating irrational, paranoid, anti-semitic mobs (ie. the Arab street) than protecting their own citizens.

559 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:13:34am

555 vxbush

I still want one of those "Take a Number" grenades.

Or a sign that says: "Poor Planning on your Part does not equal an Emergency on my part."

560 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:13:58am

#557 tigger:

We won on the ground, lost in the media.

I agree, but I'm just being Clausewitzian here: Wars are fought for political objectives, and no matter how you lose--even if it's thanks to defeat in Congress rather than in the Iron Triangle--it's still a loss.

I think it's very important to distinguish between military defeat and "loss-of-will" defeat. Calling Vietnam a flat-out "defeat" sends the wrong message.

Okay, I agree. But it does frustrate me when I have seen some posters write "we won in Vietnam" (thinking of one in particular who no longer posts here), which is even more wrong. Yes, there's more to the explanation, but if we are going to simplify Vietnam to a win vs. loss, I gotta put it in the loss column. Just as I would, say, the Battle of Kasserine Pass; that doesn't mean we lost WWII.

561 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:17:06am

from my neophyte point of view:

Vietnam was not successful because liberals tried to run the war from washington using liberals and politicians, rather than letting the boots on the ground fight.

I've seen shows on the history channel with interviews with pilots talking about how they knew where a SAM factory was, and even flew over it from time to time to get to their bombing targets, dodging SAMs along the way.

they were constantly asking to bomb the factory as the SAMs would kill pilots pretty quickly.

they were told "no" by Washington because civilians work at the factory.

562 WriterMom  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:17:22am

#556 USMC RECON

Too funny.

Can you kill one with a toothpick, too? What about just by glaring at him-THE STARE OF DEATH?

:P

563 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:17:56am

#536 got milk?

Do you think the FBI wanted to see where the trail ended?

I don't think they had anything they could hold them on that would stand up in court.

564 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:18:14am

and as a result of the Left's inability to wage an ACTUAL war, when soldiers came home from vietnam, they were greeted with spitting, booing and hatred.

565 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:18:15am
#558 Dirk Diggler 8/16/2006 08:08AM PDT
I would like to retire the defeatist tag. AI is essentially right when she claims that military victories are a small part of the equation in this current conflict.

I'm not a defeatist. I'm very concerned about the West's lack of seriousness when it comes to our present conflict.

In particular I'm sick and tired of how American and Israeli wars are mismanaged by political classes more concerned about placating irrational, paranoid, anti-semitic mobs (ie. the Arab street) than protecting their own citizens.

Agree with this

566 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:18:20am

559 Lance

Except those signs never work. I know a lot of people who have posted them in their office and they still have to deal with the emergencies caused by their bosses.

567 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:20:52am
#554 3 wood
This may surprise you but I also have defended some of the people here that at times are targets, but I that seems to have been forgotten

I remember and I witness it for you here.

568 Occasional Reader  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:21:23am

#556 USMC RECON:

A soda can pop top.

Award yourself one Merit Badge for recycling!

569 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:23:15am

566 vxbush

yup. but those signs really don't carry any authority anyway... just make me feel better when i read them. heh.

even now, i've received a few emails since yeterday afternoon, needing me to 'drop everything' to work on their file.

well, when I have more than one 'drop everything' email, what file do I actually work on? heh.

answer: all of them.

so that's what I do. my goal is to become like Scotty. Scottish and missing a finger.

no... wait... a miracle worker. that's what I meant.

(We miss you Scotty...)

570 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:25:14am
571 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:28:01am

#570 American Infidel
I was not referring to the content or validity of your argument.
I was referring to your attitude and your presentation.

572 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:28:17am

Lance

I learned a great lesson from Scotty--always say that it takes twice as long as it actually will. Very good advice.

573 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:29:24am

556 RECON

Not a grapefruit spoon, A soda can pop top.

Thats it! Throwing away Krav Maga lessons, enlisting in Chronicles of RECON, kill them with a tin cup/can opener school.

574 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:30:26am

#567 BZ

Thanks.

575 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:34:43am

# 560 Occasional Reader

But I don't think you should simplify Vietnam into a win or loss. It's not a case of "we gave it the old college try, and they handed our a$$es to us." We cannot avoid similar "defeats" unless we parse the conflict and identify what we did right and correct what we did wrong.

That we were not whipped, that we were not beaten militarily is undeniable and this must be shouted from the rooftops, IMO. Far too many people believe this lie. Simply chalking it up as a "defeat" perpetuates the media lie. It was a defeat that was wholly fabricated by the media and only became a reality when media misrepresentation changed public opinion. There was a complete disconnect between the facts on the ground and public perception, due to the media smokescreen.

Just chalking up Vietnam in the "loss" column and moving on only guarantees more "Vietnams."

576 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:36:53am

572 vxbush

crazy, eh?

577 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:36:58am

574 3 wood
anytime.

578 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:38:40am

Tigger

that we were not beaten militarily

DING DING DING

we have a winner

We were beaten by propaganda
the same way we are being beaten now

579 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:40:00am

#572 vxbush

I worked as a programmer/analyst for a while in a prior life. I got known for being able to make real accurate predictions for project development purtposes. They asked me one day what what my secret was. It was this, I talked to everyone involved in the development project, took their projections, threw out the most optimistic and most pessimistic one, averaged the remainder, and then doubled the result.

Worked pretty good.

580 Manker  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:40:58am

#508 Golden Jerusalem

I'd always grab oil derricks for the $1,000 bonus, but never expected to be able to keep them intact.

I'd focus on getting multiple Supply Centers going from different piles and then, once researched, I'd make Supply Drops/Black Markets/ Hackers.

I especially liked the Chinese hackers cos you could stash em in corners all over and stuff. Cool unit :P

Hey, I should dust off the ol' game (lent it to a mate, I was playing AoE III a lot lately). We could hook up and play over the web some time :D

Sorry I can't I just don't have the game anymore, so I have no way of playing.

581 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:44:27am
582 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:47:34am

3 wood 554

Thanks for the response. I do have the sense you stick to topic. Have tended not to read some of your posts because you go into golf, and someday, when I get time, I may try that out.

Sure seems to be the fastest growing sport in the U.S. Golf course going up right where I work in Carlsbad, CA. Nice courses out here, a big one where they do PGA (I think) La Costa.

The thing that really stirs me up is if posters assume a "default voice," as if their viewpoint is the only valid viewpoint. I did appreciate the experience and military acumen of reaganite, and rayra and others, but if it goes into arrogance, with the STFU and STFD comments it gets my dander up, even if they are technically correct.

It is like people arguing about only someone that served in the military can judge military matters.

But I would certainly listen to Lincoln before McClellan, so everything has its limits. It is a distraction but maybe one that in some small way has to be talked about on blogs such as this, before it breaks out as a serious discussion in the larger society. What are we fighting? How is it to be fought? Will we have to modify our Constitution, if even only temporarily to face this threat?

Is Islam itself the enemy, or only a radical faction that does not represent the whole of Islam? These are the places of sharp disagreement among ourselves. Arguments that may become moot if we get hit really hard by the Jihadists, but until then I think they must be aired. If these subjects, or portions of them are taboo on a blog such as LGF, do we have any hope of seeing this discussed, let alone anything implemented on a larger society-wide scale?

I know that we can defeat these guys, even if society breaks down and it is rule of the gun. Individual Americans will win that one also. But it would be much better that it does not disentegrate to that level. Much better if we wake up as a society, our institutions remain relatively intact, and we face this threat unified and resolute.

583 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:51:54am

# 575 cont.

I think my point is this: Using the Revolutionary War as an example, let's say that the British defeat was a "loss of will" defeat. BUT it was an honestly-come-by "loss of will" defeat. The British weren't deliberately lied to and misled by their media about the war. Vietnam is starkly different in that public support for the war was still high until the media's blatant misrepresentation of Tet. The public's loss of will was based on a lie, not on the facts on the ground.

584 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:53:39am

579 3 wood

Exactly. In my previous life, I worked at a software company. I watched the most ridiculous schedules get pushed back farther and farther as management tried to force schedules and they would always slip.

One guy in the company knew the exact day we would ship. He predicted it one year in advance. He was dead on. He was released by the company for being too pessimistic and not doing his job.

585 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:56:20am

584 vxbush

my mother is a software tester for a company. They've been testing the same piece of software for 8 months now (unheard of), because the original release was promised by the sales people without consulting the programmers and testers, and backed up by the head of the production department, without consulting hte programmers and testers.

of the 'minor' issues in the original release..... refunds done on a credit card would actually charge the amount rather than refund the amount.

586 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:58:21am

AI
Please, enough, already,
GAWD you just love to friggin argue,
don't you!
If you cant take my advice as it is intended, fine.... but I have zero interest in continually arguing with you about it....

587 Kirly  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:58:49am

#507 Miss Trixie

Kirly

Check your email please.

:D

Checked and responded to! :-)

588 quark2  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:58:53am

@583 tigger2005

Thank you for that concise and well written
post on the Viet Nam war.
The propaganda is still being used from that
era today, the same lies being perpetuated.
Please keep up the clarion call.

589 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 6:59:27am

586 Babbazee

expect it.

are you just now beginning to understand the issue that most people have with her?

590 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:04:58am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Elvis - flicked through the movie channels - one has back to back Elvis movies

The anniversary of his death?

And speaking of Vietnam - tomorrow (Friday) is the 40th anniversary of the Battle of Long Tan where just over 100 Aussies well and truly defeated an army of thousands in a rubber plantation

This was the battle of the war for our troops - and how these brave men did it is quite a story

In fact the tactics used there are now taught at our Military Colleges - as it was a great victory, run by very intelligent men

I'll post some more on this battle as it was truly an heroic effort

591 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:06:25am

#584 vxbush

He was released by the company for being too pessimistic and not doing his job.

Yep, that's kind of why I left that field. I was viewed as this pessimistic pain in the neck, and all the happy talk folks got the big promotions just before their projects failed.

Never mind that I was right and they were wrong. Also, at that time where I worked, if you did not graduate from UCLA, Notre Dame, Georgetown, Northwestern or U. of Chicago, you were viewed as just a grunt. So i would sit in the development meetings and watch all the geniuses from these places on staff talk about the most unrealistic crap that they could never pull off. Then they would go home at 4:30 and I would work late into the night developing the only piece of the project that would actually be functional when we promised to deliver it.

Getting out of programming then was one of the best moves I ever made.

592 tigger2005  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:10:12am

# 583 One final comment!

Among the LLL's it's a matter of faith that the government was lying about Vietnam and that Tet proved this. "They said the war was won and look what happened!"

Yeah, and it wouldn't surprise me if the goverment was talking up the imminent victory over Nazi Germany prior to the Battle of the Bulge. A LOT of people in high positions thought Germany was too badly hurt to mount an offensive on that scale, and it came as a harsh surprise. But the media didn't scream "They lied! They LIED to us!"

593 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:13:08am

591 3 wood

in my youth ministry courses, we'd break into groups to discuss different youth ministry plans, projects and events.

people who were 'raised up in youth groups' would come up with all these ideas, then 'poo poo' my simple questions like "What would that cost? Where would we get the money? Who would we get to work such events?"

Even then I was an outsider looking in. In hindsight, I probably should never have joined the department... I didn't fit their cookie-cutter mold of 'people who don't fit the cookie-cutter molds'

always amazes me how 'counter-culture' people are always the same. . . even in the church.

594 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:13:26am

#591 3 wood

Hi there

Programming? I admire you for being able to programme!

I can't programme the VCR, DVD,telly, the phone, the digital camera

The programming gene is missing in me :-)

595 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:14:29am

I'm heading upstairs.

Later.

596 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:16:52am

Lancekates

Hi there!

Just got an email I sent to you bounced back to Oz - after at least 3 days :-) It took the long way back to Oz it seems

I sent two - did you get the other one?

597 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:16:55am

#589 LanceKates

No.
I always understood the basic issue.

What I did not and do not understand is making her the center of mob attacks and falsely identifying other posters as "being her puppets" and creating a whole culture on the blog of obsessive factions and constant BORING personal attacking, to the point where people were trying to strongarm other people into joining little cliques and factions.

That I despise.

I considered her a friend from before I went off line and I still do, however I do not always agree with my friends. And when I disagree I say so.

598 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:18:27am

596 aussie

depends on what email you're sending to. I haven't received any emails from you lately, but I got rid of my website and the address along with it. (the money going there is part of what pays for my aikido training)

if you click on my name, you'll eventually get my current email address to use.

599 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:21:52am

597 Babbazee

that small group of people notwithstanding, the majority of people here who take issue with her and her ways are upset because she will argue and argue, just as you point out.

outlandish things will be said by her (Bush and/or Rice are Dhimmis and are in the pocket of the Muslims, etc), and nothing will sway it.

in fact, presenting more evidence to the contrary only emboldens her to do the web version of covering your ears and screaming "LA LA LA LA LA I can't hear you LA LA LA LA LA", which is to just keep ranting, changing the topic and making it personal.

*shrug*

that is her M.O. Which is why I, and many others, don't really engage her, except to point out the apparent lunacy in some of her posts, then leave it at that.

There comes a time, during a child's temper tantrum, to just leave them to sit in their anger until they realize they're not getting the attention they want.

600 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:29:11am

Was it my attitude/presentation before or after I was informed I was suffering from defeatism, lack of leadership, ranting, and whatever the hell else was in the initial post to me?!?

Just R-E-L-A-X. Chill. Get some of those gellin' shoe inserts.

You were right. Take some comfort in that.

601 vxbush  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:32:23am

Lance

The sad thing is (and if you're reading this, AI, please note) there is a subset of what she posts that is true and is worth reading. The problem is that she goes over the top, to the point that you have described so well.

602 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:36:53am
Lance
with her and her ways are upset because she will argue and argue, just as you point out.


IMO
If that depth of will could be polished, refined and harnessed, a person with those qualities who attains wisdom and restraint could contribute much to this insane world.
Twenty years ago I was very much like this, BTW.

I believe in fierceness of conviction.
And I believe I am a good teacher.
And I believe in the spark I see in her.
I do not just walk away from a friend based on disagreement, unless a line is crossed that I feel I can not abide.

I have a very deep wellspring of patience.
And I think a lot of her spirit.

I am not ready to throw in the towel.
This is not the first time we have disagreed publicly and I am fairly sure it wont be the last. Doesnt mean I am through and ready to run and condemn her.

603 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:37:34am

#392 Lancekates

"You're not one of us, so you can't use our cool words" issue?


Since there has been a lot of dicussion upthread about sensitivity to PC issues, I Thought you and anybody else here with a healthy unencumbered sense of humor might enjoy this.

604 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:37:49am
VX Bush

there is a subset of what she posts that is true and is worth reading.

Exactly.

605 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:37:53am

601 vxbush

yup

606 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:38:42am

#603 Ackomanyuki
That's pretty funny!

607 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:40:35am

602 BabbaZee

"If that depth of will could be polished, refined and harnessed, a person with those qualities who attains wisdom and restraint could contribute much to this insane world."

while the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of all Wisdom, admitting your failures and accepting, in a humble spirit, that you are wrong and others are right, is one of the first steps thereafter.

Without humility and the ability to step back and say "maybe i'm not as right as I think I am", there can be no wisdom gained.

for reference, see Al Gore. no wisdom.

608 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:41:35am

Lance ......
I know all about it
I am trying to impart it
and I am not ready to give up yet...OK ?

609 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:42:03am

603 Ack

i'm afraid I can't see videos at work. I'll have to remember to look this thread up tonight when I get home.

610 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:43:52am

608 Babbazee

good luck.

i've found that unless one thinks they need to learn, and wants to learn, they generally won't.

I wish you luck in your endevour.

I am far too passive aggressive to take on such a feat.

611 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:51:11am

Babbazee

Gotta love the Marlo Thomas That Girl look juxtaposed against here frankness.


Yup, Sarah Silverman is over the top and in your face in her stand up routine too.

She has a DVD that came out a month or so back: "Jesus is majic". It includes that video and an hour or so of standup. She leaves no sacred cows ungored. A true test for anyone who thinks that they haven't any personal PC sensitivity. The skit she does about her grandmother seems a bit cruel. She makes Richard Prior seem reserved and careful not to offend.

Lancekates, I would check it out when you get a chance, definately a keeper

612 got milk?  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:54:51am

3 wood

I know, but just because they let them go, I don't think they also dropped them from radar too.

613 American Infidel[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:55:57am
614 Ackomanyuki  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:56:43am

Babbazee,

I notice a one minute difference in our #603/#606 timestamps. If you didn't watch the whole video, do, it gets better.

Ciao, gotta get some work done.

615 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:04:08am

heh. another brother shut down in America. reported on WMAL's news break.

616 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:11:43am

Well well well

The dangers of the internet

30 year old woman leaves California and her toddler, to live in Oz with her 16 year old lover who she met on the internet!

A 30-year-old Californian woman has left her toddler behind in the US to move into a Perth love nest with a 16-year-old schoolboy she met on the internet.

High school student, James, and US mum, Karen, met on the internet and fell in love during five months of chatting each other up via webcam.

She drives him to school!

617 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:11:44am

{aussie} G'day darls.

Oh do tell of the battle of Long Tam. I'm all ears.

/boy, do I look ridiculous

:P

618 BabbaZee  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:12:16am

#614 Ackomanyuki
I did I was watching it as I typed, saw the whole thing.
Very cute.
And I have always been pissed that Jews drive German cars too LOL

619 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:12:24am

615 lance
? whachoo talkin bout lance?

620 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:15:44am

Hi,
I'm a too late? did I miss the party? Did I mention I hate house work? When the wife gets home I'm gunna have her mow the grass! Like that'll happen.

621 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:15:51am

{Texas Heathen} Good to see you. What's up?

622 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:16:35am

#617 Miss trixie

LOL! I've seen pics of you and you don't have big ears! :-)

I'll post stuff tonight/tomorrow as Friday is the anniversary

623 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:18:47am

621

{Texas Heathen} Good to see you. What's up?


{miss trixie} just trying to get a quick lgf fix during lunch. It seems like the only time I'm able to get on lgf is the time when it runs the slowest. :(

624 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:20:43am

619 Texas heathen

don't know all the details, it was in a news blurb that I was only half paying attention to.

some undercover cops (no pun intended) busted a brothel, probably somewhere in the general region wherever WMAL radio is.

625 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:21:26am

#619 Texas heathen

G'day! And it's good to see you

626 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:21:44am

*sneaks up behind miss trixie and aussiemagpie*

TCG

627 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:22:27am

#616 {Aussie}

The 16 year old boy in me is saying daaayymn.
The 38 year old father of a boy is saying that aint right.

She drives him to school!


And he drives her home!

ya left the door wide open there!

628 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:22:55am

620 Frax

"When the wife gets home I'm gunna have her mow the grass!"

Better run to Walmart now and get some nice pillows for you to use when you sleep on the couch tonight.

629 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:24:36am

#617 Miss Trixie

I'm all ears.

/Reviews photos

I can't find an all ears photo.

I did find the one where you are all wet. :p

/disclaimer: Wet from wading in the Gulf of Mexico.

630 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:24:55am

624 lance

some undercover cops (no pun intended) busted a brothel,


Now that makes a little more sense. In your first post you typed brother. Hence the "Different Strokes" reference.

631 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:24:57am

#620 frax americana

Hi there {frax}

Housework is mentally stimulating, good exercise, and the satisfaction of seeing a clean house is priceless

(At least that's what I was told my my Mum!)

She lied

632 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:30:33am

#627 frax americana

The 16 year old boy in me is saying daaayymn.
The 38 year old father of a boy is saying that aint right.

If I was this boy's Mum I would not be HAPPY!

If I was this woman's old man I would not be HAPPY!

Seems wrong to me - the pool of men in her age group in the US can't be that small that she has to travel to Oz to pick up a 16 year old school kid

633 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:31:01am

630 Texas

Did I?

*ponder*

odd.

must be latent racism.

I'll head to reeducation.

*leaves*

......

*comes back*

I am the root of all evil, for I am white, male and christian.

/ heh. evil typos.

634 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:31:06am

oh crap! theres the bell to go back to work.
Someone give redstate and m a big hug for me when they show up.
bbl I hope

635 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:32:29am

632 aussie

it is my experience that when people do such things, it is not an issue with men their age, but an issue with them.

is that even legal there?

636 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:34:20am

WMAL has Rush on, but during the commercials, all is silent.

just as I get used to the silence, the bumper music starts up and I still jump now and then.

heh.

thankfully, the music tunes out the PHD in Geography.

637 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:36:04am

#628 lance

more often than not. I like to read before I sleep. almost have to some times to get sleepy. Lots of times she doesn't like the lamp on, that she picked out, on my bed side table. So I read downstairs on the couch. When I start nodding off I head upstairs. Some times I'm wide awake by time i get to the top of the stairs. Head back to the sofa and start the process over again.

#631 Aussie

Parents?!

638 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:37:42am

637 frax

I need to pick up a little lamp. sometimes I want to read and by the time i'm tired enough to pass out in bed, I'm too tired to go and turn out the light.

if I force myself to go shut off the light, i'm no longer tired enough to pass out in my bed.

639 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:39:08am

Wait.... wait wait wait....

Rush is playing segments from Dems running for office and other Dems trying to trash the Right.

are the Dems going to try to run on "We're better for Security" ?

Have I woken up in the Twilight Zone?

640 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:39:33am

LanceKates

The oft repeated demand here for someone else to display humility is in itself not humble. It is why all those demands get met with an even more stubborn resistance.

I don't know when that became a group meme toward AI, but it has a little bit of LLL thinking.

One thing I admire is someone that can stand up to the considerable group pressure brought to bear here to knuckle under to a moderated message and tone. I suspect anyone that demands such obeidience as maybe serving a group voice themself instead of risking some reproach and taking an unpopular stand.

None of that changes my opinion that AI is stubborn and would be better served by presenting her arguments with more wisdom.

But I am not threatened by her message or demand she echo an approved message. In some way we need people that define the limits of the argument, I can value that contribution and not demand she become a mini rayra. I mean who is loving freedom here, or is it just a theory?

I never saw AI clamor for posters to be banned, but have seen it aplenty aimed at her. How many times have I heard the bromide, "I may not agree with what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it." Yeah...nice sentiments, but when put into practice most people revert to what their group likes and approves.

I repeat my observation of how adults handle disagreement as what RECON did this morning. He did not try and recruit people to his side, just stated his case with grace and REAL humility. That speaks loudly to those that are listening.

641 jehu  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:43:11am

aussie 616

High school student, James, and US mum, Karen, met on the internet and fell in love lust and total self-centeredness during five months of chatting each other up via webcam.

642 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:43:31am

640 Jehu

I didn't demand humility from anyone.

I just stated that one of the first steps to gaining wisdom is to admit that you're wrong and that takes humility.

I, personally, don't care much.

my thoughts and opinions don't exist to make others follow them.

and my thoughts and opinions aren't always correct.

I'm able to admit that, but not everyone else can, and that's something they have to deal with on their own if they ever decide to.

*shrug*

643 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:47:34am

#635 Lancekates

Well it seems to be legal in Western Australia by the looks of things

However if she was his teacher she would now be awaiting trial

We've had a few of these student/teacher cases lately

644 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:47:34am

*laughes*

"Global Warming causes the increase in hurricanes!"

Rush asks "Well, not that I miss them, but where are they?"

645 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:51:14am

#637 here i'll try again so you know what I mean lance

646 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:52:30am

#641 jehu

Yes you are right in that little observation I reckon

647 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:55:57am

OK

Here's the Aussie call signal

COO'EEE COO'EEE

Redstateredneck, m, NMM - can you hear me? :-)

648 Geepers  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:58:08am

jehu says:

I never saw AI clamor for posters to be banned,

And because you've never seen it it's hasn't happend?

649 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:58:41am

{LIZARDS}!

Sorry I'm late. Been doing the Boy Scout thing today.

{aussie} Are all Austrailian lads as sexy as all that?

650 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:59:17am

645 frax

huh?

651 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 8:59:59am

Did i miss a brew haha this morning? I 'spose it was just as well that i had house work to do.

652 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:00:33am

So here's a joke I heard over the weekend at the music festival, that probably us Protestants will "get" the best.

A navy ship is going past a supposedly vacant island and sees a campfire set on shore. So they send a squad on shore to investigate. They find a guy who was ship wrecked there for 5 years and discover that he did quite well, as the island had a lot of resources and materials. The castaway welcomes the sailors to shore and offers to show them around. He takes them to the hut he built and while looking around in it they notice he built a window in the hut.

They look through the window and see another building off in the distance and ask what this second building is. He says "Oh that's the church I built. That's where I worship. Would you like to see it?"

They say yes and proceed to the second building. They look around inside, admiring the craftmanship and notice that there is a window in this building as well. They look through it and see off in the distance yet a third building. They ask the castaway what that third building is and he replies,

"Oh that? That's where I used to go to church."

653 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:02:14am

be back. need to go get told that I know know what i'm talking about.

654 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:04:18am

#649 {obi-wan}

Hi there - good to see you - I've missed you lately!:-)

Oh yes - it's the climate and the laidback lifestyle!

Our boys and men are worldbeaters in looks, sexiness etc :-) LOL!

I'm just thinking of a bloke who comes into the surgery - dirty trackydaks, mullet hair, smelly armpits.....(must be a foreigner!)

655 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:04:37am

#650 lance sorry lost a post! plus feeling a little light headed after a diaper change.

#638 lance
so you know what it is like to doze off then get up to turn something off or head for your propper bed.

656 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:04:58am

#652 3 wood

That's funny no matter what denomination you are!

657 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:06:40am

#654 aussiemagpie

And all you could find was a fat, bald attorney?

Tsk, tsk!

658 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:06:54am

Obi wan where have you been? How's it going?

659 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:08:37am

#651 frax americana

I've missed the brew haha too if there was one - just as well I reckon

Peace! Give peace a chance etc etc etc :-)

660 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:10:09am

(*Texas Heathen TCG™ *)

Right backatcha, hon!

Bordm

*smooch*

/disclaimer: Wet from wading in the Gulf of Mexico.

Believe it or else, I really wanted to take a running dive into the Gulf but I restrained myself in the interest of good taste.

If you know what I mean.

:D

661 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:10:12am

hey

662 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:11:11am

#658 frax

Been busy doing the Boy Scout thing today. How's the family?

663 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:12:01am

#657 {obi-wan}

Yes it's pathetic really

But he's on the way outta here! Just getting things organised

Hitman - tick

Ticket to Chile - tick

New identity - tick

LOL! Just kidding about the new identity bit :-)

664 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:12:11am

frax

#650 lance sorry lost a post! plus feeling a little light headed after a diaper change.

665 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:12:30am

BBL

666 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:12:59am

I thought I posted a question about the Orthodox Jews that can be seen participating in this demonstration to the side in this video.

667 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:13:36am

"Gray Hair"

A senior
citizen decided to visit the social security office to sign
up for his benefits. Upon his arrival the clerk asked for
proof of his age. When he reached for his wallet the
embarrassed man realized he had left it home. After
explaining his problem to the clerk, she replied, "Don't
worry, just open your shirt, and if your chest hair is gray
you will qualify." The senior citizen opened up his shirt
and

was soon signed up for his benefits.

Upon arriving
home, he related the story to his wife. She looked at him,
smiled and said, "Too bad you didn't drop your pants. You
would have qualified for disability too!"

668 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:16:16am

#660 Miss Trixie

Believe it or else, I really wanted to take a running dive into the Gulf but I restrained myself in the interest of good taste.

I thought it was because you didn't want to get the contents of your purse wet. :)

669 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:16:53am

HOLLAH AT THE {DDT}!
What's up, my peeps?
:D

670 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:17:37am

If these guys demonstrate alongside orthodox Jews, doesn't that prove they don't hate them?

671 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:17:57am

#662 obi

Other than stinky diapers great. Picked up a zillion toys today then vacumed. fall is not too far off. the nights are starting to get cooler mid 40's F. alomost back to school.

672 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:19:02am

{aussie}

OK

Here's the Aussie call signal

COO'EEE COO'EEE

Redstateredneck, m, NMM - can you hear me? :-)


I heard you, I just couldn't get here!

673 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:20:23am

Obi-wan

Hey buddy! Howsit going?

Tell Mrs Obi-wan hello.

674 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:20:54am

frax

the nights are starting to get cooler mid 40's F.


That sounds loverly...I called time and temp yesterday evening at about 7:00 and it was still 97! Too hot to do anything.

675 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:22:36am

#670 bos

I saw that too last night when i watched vid.
Things that make ya say huh?


#669 {red}

Not to many peeps over here... just got done w/ some poops 'tho.

676 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:25:07am
Not to many peeps over here... just got done w/ some poops 'tho.


:-)
I've done my poop duty.

677 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:26:15am

#662 obi

and yeah i still can't spell or type ;-0

678 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:26:52am

frax

#650 lance sorry lost a post! plus feeling a little light headed after a diaper change.

Maybe a change in your diet would help?

:P

679 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:27:21am

#677

heh Poop doodie

680 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:28:16am

frax

heh Poop doodie


I knew you'd pick up on that.

681 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:29:37am

#661 bos

G'day bos from Down under!

682 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:30:42am

Mornin' all!
School starts Monday, my alarm goes off at 4:00, my wife's at 5:30. I think when I get up I'll disable her alarm and put one of these on her nightstand instead. I'm pretty sure she'll get a kick out of it.
Now if someone did that to me, I'd, I'd
I like to fell out of bed
(Man, redstateredneck is going to be soo impressed that I'm getting the hang of this whole southern lingo thing)

683 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:31:27am

Bordm

I thought it was because you didn't want to get the contents of your purse wet. :)

Purse, schmurse. How often does this chilly Canadian get to frolic in the Gulf?

:D

{redstateskank} Hiy, toots.

Still on Poop Patrol™? That's a crappy job.

;P

{Obi-Wan} Good to see you. Give my regards to Mrs. Obi-Wan.

684 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:33:20am

#675 Frax

Yeah, though I wouldn't want to hang out with those guys, I think they must be anti-Zionists and not anti-Semites. And though the tone of the thing does damage Tamimi's cred as an authority, it doesn't indict him in any other way. I saw a very reasonable and persuasive anti-Zionist rabbi on Fox news the other day.

685 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:33:34am

Bordm

Hi there - saw the BBQ pics - pretty good

My ticket is good for one year so I have to use it or lose my $$$

Next barbie I expect if all goes well - not like this year

686 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:35:18am

#678 miss trixie

Maybe a change in your diet would help?

heh

We all eat the same thing. how come a little darling girl smell that bad? I don't want to get to graphic. But there is not to many things that make me gag. I mean my sh*t don't stink.... my farts on the other hand;-)

687 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:35:20am

#681 Maggie Ahoy from Central Europe!

688 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:35:42am

#672 redstateredneck

Good! My coo'eee worked :-) Hello luv

689 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:37:01am

UFO TOFU

I like liked to fell out of bed


HAHA! Keep workin' on it!

690 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:39:00am

#687 bos

Where are you exactly?

691 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:39:08am

Drive by hugging
{Redstateredneck}

692 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:39:40am
how come a little darling girl smell that bad?


I know whatcha mean. My girls were breast fed when they were little babies and there was no bad smell to their poop. Awfully runny, though. Then you start feeding them cereal and baby food and WHOOOOOEEEEE! Here come the stink!

693 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:39:45am

bordm

Glad to see you! Tell your parents we said "Hey!"

frax

I don't count off for spelling.

aussie

"Hit the road, Jack!" Is probably a better way of handling the situation. But, since he's a leftie, you'll have to tell him several times before the message gets through.

694 bos  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:40:36am

#690 Maggie

Czech Republic but I'm a septic

695 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:41:53am

UFO TOFU

That Clocky thing's pretty funny but I'd prolly brain someone for doing that to me.

Here's some more fun and I damn near died when it was done to me.

The BOOOOOOOG Monster

[Link: www.baronbob.com...]

Oooh. This one's fun too. Fun with wieners, it's the OCTODOG!

[Link: www.baronbob.com...]

:D

696 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:42:12am

{ HEATHEN }

697 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:42:26am

#682 UFO TOFU

Hi there

Good heavens 4am!

What time does school start? Or do you need lots of time to look beautiful? :-)

698 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:43:01am
COO'EEE COO'EEE

Somebody sit on an ice cube?

NMM

699 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:43:38am

#683 Miss Trixie

Scene:
Woman wading up to her waist in the Gulf, with her clothes on.
Texas guy and girl on beach, to two guys leaning on car, that brought said woman to beach; Why is she out there with her clothes on?
Two guys leaning on car: She’s from Canada.
Texas guy and girl: Oh, , , , OK.

700 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:45:59am

frax

I mean my sh*t don't stink.... my farts on the other hand;-)

I cleared a casino once.

/did I just say that out loud?

701 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:47:44am

Hello DDT,

Frax,

I mean my sh*t don't stink.... my farts on the other hand;-)

Are you gonna write a song about that? Maybe you can get 3wood to record it for you!

702 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:48:47am

Bordm

Two guys leaning on car: She’s from Canada.
Texas guy and girl: Oh, , , , OK.

Hardy. Har. Har. Har.

:P

703 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:49:13am

700 miss trixie
poutine?

704 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:50:24am

#685 aussiemagpie

Just let us know when you are coming and we will have a BBQ for you. We BBQ on a regular basis, so it’s always nice to have an excuse reason.

705 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:50:34am

#693 {obi-wan}

Yes he is thinking that I will change - hah! Never - too old for that

It's a bit sad really - even tonight I mentioned that two moonbat friends were ready to hear my arguments and I'm getting together links etc including zombies to email them

He thought I was too far gone into the land of Little green Freaks

Why I never asked him about his political views in the first place is beyond me - but then my political awakening was registering on LGF on the 11th September 2005!

My eyes were opened well and truly

706 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:51:07am

#77 Miss Trixie

Gonna have to change your nic to "Miss Pootie!"

707 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:52:28am

Miss Trixie
I like your sense of humor!
aussiemagpie
Hi! No, no amount of time is going to help me look any better, I need to get to work first to put the guard dogs away, fire up the computors, etc.

My grand kids would love this.

708 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:53:06am

Heathen

poutine?

Yup.

Never again. That stuff's vile.

aussie

I have never had such good food as I did at a Texas BBQ. You'd think you died and went to pork heaven.

Seriously.

709 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:53:29am

#701 widow'smight

Maybe you can get 3wood to record it for you!

No problem. Just pick what key you want it in.

Actually, I recorded the Mrs. and I last night for a wedding demo. Got a neat 3 track take on Ode to Joy, and 2 tracks of Be Thou My Vision.

Tonight, if I get back from the moonbat factory early enough I'll do O'Carrolan's Blind Mary.

710 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:55:03am

#693 Obi-wan

They say; hey back at y'all!

711 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:55:20am

#694 bos

Working there?

I've heard it is a beautiful place - Prague looks lovely in the pics I've seen

712 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:55:49am

#705 aussie

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Give 'im the boot and move on.

Life is too short.

713 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:56:19am
Tonight, if I get back from the moonbat factory early enough I'll do O'Carrolan's Blind Mary.

Well I suppose thats safer than doing old Typhoid Mary.

:P

NMM

714 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:57:07am

aussie

Why I never asked him about his political views in the first place is beyond me - but then my political awakening was registering on LGF on the 11th September 2005!

My eyes were opened well and truly

Oh aussie. You and me both. It never occured to me to ask into his political leanings and 9/11 was the turning point. MY eyes were well and truly opened whe he said that it was America's fault and they deserved it.

Felt like I had been punched in the stomach.

I won't make THAT mistake again, believe me. A little older and a LOT wiser.

715 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:59:15am

#713

Or Bloody mary

716 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:59:35am

#700 miss trixie LOL
yup you said that out loud!

Guys or gals try this one on yer other halfs. A friend of my dads actually did this. When lying in bed if you can sneek one out. make a hacking noise like yer pulling up a lugie. Fake spit start counting out loud. when they ask what the hell yer doing .say you spit on the ceiling and you are seeing how long it takes to drip down. Try not to laugh as they cover their heads w/ the covers. Juvenile? yup! but i love good fart jokes

717 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 9:59:43am

#698 NMM

LOL!

COO'EEE is the way we call out for people here! :-)

True blue Oz expression

Actually it's an old way of finding people out in the bush

718 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:00:57am

652 3 wood

LOL.... I am going to have to tell that to family tonight.

719 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:01:53am

3wood,

No problem. Just pick what key you want it in.

I guess that would be F(art) sharp, or maybe
just Limberger.

My Wife, oldest princess and Mini-mom all have beautiful voices. Nobody asks me to sing, but I can grow stuff!

720 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:02:11am

#717 aussie

I LOVE it in the bush. Can't get enough!

721 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:02:33am

#716 frax

One of my Uncles was a dairy farmer in Wisconsin. On one of the rare occasions when he went to town (too much work to do on a family farm) we went by the grocery store. He got quite a kick out of farting in the faces of little kids strapped in their strollers.

NMM

PS - Also enjoyed tossing limberger cheese into others' shopping carts when they weren't looking.

722 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:02:50am

frax

Juvenile? yup! but i love good fart jokes

Then you'll love this:

[Link: www.google.ca...]

:P

723 UFO TOFU  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:03:12am

fraxinus americana
That's wicked!
3 wood, every good recording studio needs one of these.
Well, back to work, I'll check back with you all later. Is is too early for a beer?

724 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:04:03am

aussie
The thing about liberals is they just don't know when to shut up. If they'd just state their opinion and go on, but noooooo, they've got to run that shit in the ground. And that condescending attitude that they are so smart and you are ignorant because you believe differently.
Enough to drive ya' crazy!

725 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:04:10am

#713 NMM and #715 Obi-wan

As soon and I hit "post this comment" on that one I thought "that will generate some quips".

726 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:05:00am

#713 NMM,

Or Proud Mary from that Western Missouri band.

727 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:05:54am

720 obi-wan

I LOVE it in the bush. Can't get enough!

What man doesn't? ;)

728 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:06:34am

#707 UfO

I soooo want one of those. Prolly have to save up for two life times.

729 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:06:52am

#726 W.M.

:D

LOLOL

NMM

730 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:07:03am

When my older daughter was about 14, she and her father made a trip to Wal-Mart. Upon finding the lines too long, the hubby eased out a SBD and people literally ran away screaming. He magically became next in line. The daughter liked to died!

731 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:07:41am

#704 bordm

OK - you're on for that - just do not let 'Nam grunt BBQ squirrels or bambis!

BTW my daughter is still in hospital :-(

And I will be like Miss trixie - clothes on while frolicking in the Gulf

I'll leave my coat on my walking frame though on the beach along with my dentures and wig and hearing aids :-)

732 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:08:09am

Obi-wan,

I LOVE it in the bush. Can't get enough!

Beach Lover isn't here to check on me so....

What guy doesn't!

733 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:08:14am

Hey Bordm,

Swing by Lone Star and grab a 6 pk, and then drive the 3 blocks to my place and come and visit, you can chit chat on my PC LOL!

734 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:09:28am

730 redstate

heh. one of my more embarrassing moments was when I ripped a HORRID one in an elevator.

I was alone, but the elevator opened at my intended floor and there were two ladies there who were UBER-attractive, who went to my college.

and there I was, in my stink.

735 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:10:14am

731 aussie

And I will be like Miss trixie - clothes on while frolicking in the Gulf


NO Whitecaps? ;p

736 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:10:48am

NMM

Also enjoyed tossing limberger cheese into others' shopping carts when they weren't looking.

*cough*Pork ribs, roast and other sundry pork products are also good to toss in certain unsuspecting carts.*cough*

:D

737 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:11:09am

#730 redstateredneck

Lol, Silent but effective.

738 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:12:09am

#719 widow'smight

Nobody asks me to sing,

Same here. Every once in a while people who sit around us at church regularly will ask me why I don't sing. So I try a few bars of something, they get this really strange look on their faces and quickly say that now they understand, and they appreciate my being so considerate to not sing.

I did not bother to buy a vocal microphone for the recording studio, only instrument mic's.

739 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:14:19am

#707 UFO TOFU

But 4am? OK It's after 5am here now - so I can't talk :-)

Couldn't open your link though - my computer is playing up - I can't open video links - rats!

740 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:14:34am

'Nam!

Hello there you troublemaker, you! Can you have Bordm swing by here on his way to the Lone Star and pick me up too?

:D

741 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:14:48am

#738 3 wood

I sing whether anyone asks or not!

742 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:14:51am

Lance

and there I was, in my stink.


and red faced, I imagine!

743 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:15:27am

#731 aussiemagpie

We are praying for her.

I'll leave my coat on my walking frame though on the beach along with my dentures and wig and hearing aids :-)

Uh, that'll make it extra difficult to ID you, if a shark gets you. ;)

744 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:16:04am

Scarlett,

When my older daughter was about 14, she and her father made a trip to Wal-Mart. Upon finding the lines too long, the hubby eased out a SBD and people literally ran away screaming. He magically became next in line. The daughter liked to died!

Did he immediately tell you the story when he got home? He should be damn proud of himself for looking out for his daughter's best interests.

745 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:17:36am

Widow's

Did he immediately tell you the story when he got home?


Oh, yeah, he was still laughing about it. And she hit the door screaming, "Mama - you won't believe what Daddy did! ! !"

746 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:19:36am

#722 miss pootie LOL

The bowels of the titanic ROTFLMFHO!

Have you seen this guy?

* dodging lighting bolts *

747 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:20:10am

#740 Miss Trixie,

Hey darlin' you don't know how much I wish that were possible, we made quite a trio huh?

748 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:20:48am

Obi-wan,

I sing whether anyone asks or not!

As long as you're on the right beat, you can pretty much blend in. Besides, that's why they select soloists to sing the special numbers. If God can put up with the rest of my problems, he can handle some howling.

749 Miss Trixie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:20:52am

It's that time again DDTers. Talk to you tomorrow.

xoxo

750 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:20:57am
Don't tell me you don't know what love is
When you're old enough to know better
When you find strange hands in your sweater
When your dreamboat turns out to be a footnote
I'm a man with a mission in two or three editions

And I'm giving you a longing look
Everyday, everyday, everyday I write the book

Chapter One we didn't really get along
Chapter Two I think I fell in love with you
You said you'd stand by me in the middle of Chapter Three
But you were up to your old tricks in Chapters Four, Five and Six

And I'm giving you a longing look
Everyday, everyday, everyday I write the book

The way you walk
The way you talk, and try to kiss me, and laugh
In four or five paragraphs
All your compliments and your cutting remarks
Are captured here in my quotation marks

And I'm giving you a longing look
Everyday, everyday, everyday I write the book

Don't tell me you don't know the difference
Between a lover and a fighter
With my pen and my electric typewriter
Even in a perfect world where everyone was equal
I'd still own the film rights and be working on the sequel

And I'm giving you a longing look
Everyday, everyday, everyday I write the book


“Every day I (we) write the book”. Guess that’s what it comes down to in some ways. Everything we do, each day, is part of the story of our lives. How we treat others, how we express ourselves, etc. Realizing that I am a character in the books of those I interact with and vice versa I ask myself what kind of character have I been…would I want it another way? Once finished, will the book be of value to anyone or will it simply collect dust in some dark corner of the readers’ library. Now don’t get me wrong, its not that I want to be a renowned, widely loved “author” or anything, there are definitely some audiences I have no interest in. Its just that I think sometimes we forget the impact we have on others and the extent to which we allow to others impact us.

I know that I have come to appreciate posters that initially I did not. This has been a good and valued experience for me. I’m sure that I annoy some and hope that some day that will be mitigated as well somehow. If not, no big deal. Different strokes for different folks. In any event, I’m happy that y’all are part of my book and privileged to be part of yours.

Now, on to the next chapter!

NMM

(3K)

751 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:21:12am

#733 'Nam Grunt

How about I throw some ice on top of left over 10oz La. beers, in the Igloo and come get you? I need to check on the progress or lack thereof on my roof.

752 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:23:34am

#708 Miss trixie

Sounds wonderful - pork heaven!

Just a little story about our very devout Muslim doc - and a friend who first recognised the seriousness of my daughters illness two years ago - sent her to hospital by ambulance

Yasmin has been to the Hajj in Mecca twice now - she wears the hijab etc

Today(yesterday) she had a cuppa with me and said how nervous she was - later in the afternoon she was off to be interviewed with her daughter to enrol in high school - I asked her was it a Muslim school - no she said, she was trying to get her daughter into the most prestigious Anglican girls school in Sydney!

The reason - so that her daughter would get the best education

And she said - the Muslim schools don't offer that - they are too Muslim!

753 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:25:36am
10 oz. La. beers

I always thought a lot of those California boys (present company excepted of course) were a little light in the loafers if you know what I mean.

Gotta have at least 12 oz. in a serving IMHO.

/not that there's anything wrong with light loafers of course ;)

NMM

754 'Nam Grunt  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:25:42am

#751 Bordm,

Go ahead and do that and then come over, wait on second thought I don't feel like cooking this evening so come and get me and we'll stop at the pizza place and grab a pizza. ;-)

755 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:25:42am

Scarlett,

Oh, yeah, he was still laughing about it. And she hit the door screaming, "Mama - you won't believe what Daddy did! ! !"

Thatta Boy! Us Dads need some way of really giving our little Princesses something to whine about. I'm sure the Queen never gives the old guy any trouble though.

756 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:26:31am

{NMM}
Awwwwww, here's to many more!

757 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:26:41am

742 redstate

probably more red than your state or your neck.

heh.

and I didn't go to a big college... maybe 800 students at the time.

758 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:28:39am

UfO Tofu

Cool beer commercial!

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11. Busta Nut Brown Ale
10. Pantiesoff Stout
9. Pete's Wicked Mother-in-Law Broke The Equipment So This Is
Just Sparkling Water For Now Until We Can Get It Fixed
8. McVeigh Chock-Full-O'-Nitrites Lager
7. G.W. Busch Lite
6. St. Paulie She-Male Ale
("You never forget your first She-Male.")
5. Brooke Shield's Monobrau
4. Paler-Than-Keith-Richards Pale Ale
3. Captain's Lager (Star-Dated for Freshness!)
2. Hammered and Nailed DUI Stout
1. Extra Bitter Natural Blonde

759 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:29:32am

#712 {obi-wan}

Yes - agreed - life is too short especially when you realise that there isn't that much left to live!

At the moment though I've been concentrating on Julie in hospital

However it's time to move on now

760 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:30:59am
No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 7,014


Damn! Looks like I missed another milestone. Scrolling back up the thread for my 7K post (I'm sure it was something profound)....nope, it's not on this thread. Would have been my 2nd to last post yesterday.

761 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:31:12am

#755 widow'smight

The last time I cut one at the dinner table, our oldest daughter looked at me indignantly and said "DAAAD!"

I said, "What did you expect, chimes?"

762 Bordm  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:32:08am

#753 newmelleman

La. as in Louisiana. They sell 10 and 12 oz beers. Not paying attention I grabbed a case of 10 oz,ers the other day, by mistake. Gotta drink the mistakes.


See y'all later!

763 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:32:30am

#761 Obi

I wonder if my kids are the only ones at their school that know what "barking spiders" are?

:)

NMM

764 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:33:42am

#714 Miss trixie

Sad isn't it :-(

765 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:33:51am

#762 Bordm

:D

Yes we must clean up our mistakes! (was just joshin ya).

Cya

NMM

766 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:34:13am

Bye Bordm! You and 'Nam drink one for me...make it two, they're small!

767 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:34:27am

those darn barking spiders....

768 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:35:40am

#763 Newmelleman

Prolly not.

769 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:36:21am

Bye bordm

Chimes LOL

I taught my son to say exscuse me i have gas its the cutest thing bless his heart.

770 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:36:47am

I wish I could find a tape of a song I heard on a radio program. It was to the tune of Light My Fire, but it was:

C'mon baby, light my fart.
C'mon baby, light my fart.
Try to make the spiders bark....

Funny as hell.

771 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:37:09am

And here is post 24,300....

it should be something deep and profound.

*ponders*

Hmm.... deep..... and profound.....

*sigh*

Yellow Snow does NOT taste like a lemon Snow Cone.

*nod*

772 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:38:49am

my dad used to say did ya hear that buck snort?

773 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:39:30am

#771 Lance

Well, geesh Lance. With that many posts you shoulda gotten all of the profound stuff out of the way by now! I on the other hand only do it every thousandth post :)

NMM

774 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:39:32am

#771 LanceKates

That was as deep as the arctic snow pack and as profound as Alfred E. Neuman.

Well done, sir!

775 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:39:40am
I taught my son to say exscuse me i have gas its the cutest thing bless his heart.


I remember several years ago being over at a friend's house. She and I were sitting in the kitchen talking and her young son was in the living room watching t.v. by himself. Every once in awhile, he'd yell out, "Excuse me!" After two or three times, I asked her what that was all about. "Oh," she said, "He probably farted...I'm trying to teach him manners."
:D

776 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:41:43am

Obi-wan,

The last time I cut one at the dinner table, our oldest daughter looked at me indignantly and said "DAAAD!"

I said, "What did you expect, chimes?"


NMM,

I wonder if my kids are the only ones at their school that know what "barking spiders" are?

I refer to the act as "Stepping on a Duck", and probably the only time it doesn't happen is when were eating. I usually try to move away from others and warn them by uttering "Quack,Quack". My LOVELY BRIDE usually tells me to behave myself when company comes over, but in the Widow's Web, you're not a guest anymore after the first visit, you're a friend. It's duck season.

I also like to refer to my loud belches as my Walrus mating Call. I get ups or downs based on the imitation.

777 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:43:38am

773 nmm

I have not yet BEGUN to fight be profound!

774 Obi-wan

Ha! I wish.... No one is as profound as Alfred E Newman. . .

not even Alfred E Newman!

778 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:43:45am

#775 red

he said to me the other day excuse me i did a quiet toot. SBD! Good thing he told me or i woulda blamed his mother.

779 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:44:21am

I think I may have told this story before, but it's cute so I'll tell it again...my brother and his (now wife) girlfriend had been dating for a while and they were sitting on the couch watching t.v. one night when he asked her if she were ready to take their relationship to the next level...
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
and then he farted!

780 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:45:24am

#724 redstateredneck

Yes it's usually the case

However last week we had a nurses reunion - seven of us that did our nursing training in #### (unmentionable date!)

Two are dyed in the wool moonbats but they are happy to see our side of things (two of us) the other three don't care and know nothing - only interested in kids etc

We ( my friend Libby and I) are putting together a portfolio of information

We have got stuff like zombies sitew plus LGF

You never know these two might see the light !

As for the MOTH - no progress sadly - he's a dyed in the wool moonbat - no hope for him

I just hope that he finds a replacement moonbat for me one day :-)

781 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:45:39am

773 nmm

I on the other hand only do it every thousandth post


Poor mrs newmelleman. ;p

You can't throw an easy one like that out there on the DDT.

782 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:46:16am

Koren Robinson of the Minnesota Vikings arrested again for DUI

Robinson's blue BMW sedan was caught on radar going more than 100 mph in a 55 mph zone at about 10:45 p.m., according to a police report. Chief Matt Peters said Robinson refused to stop when pursued by officers. He eventually was arrested by police about 10 miles away in Mankato, where the Vikings hold their training camp.

Robinson was in the Nicollet County jail on Wednesday, with charges possible later in the day, Peters said. He said it was "a good possibility" that the receiver would face a felony charge of fleeing police in addition to a possible DWI charge.

Robinson was a standout for the Seattle Seahawks, but his career there soured after problems including the league suspension in 2004. After pleading guilty to DUI in 2005, he was cut by the Seahawks and later spent 28 days in an alcohol treatment facility.


Thoughts:

1. Anybody can make one mistake, but given that this guy already has one DUI conviction and has gone through rehab, now gets nailed going 100 mph and apparently drunk and fleeing police, I put this guy in the "total loser" category. Throw the book at him.

2. Looks like the Minesota Vikings problems just keep on keeping on.

3. On the bright side, at least he was not on a boat.

783 redstateredneck  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:46:25am

Oops! Gotta go. I've got a hair appointment (color and cut).
:D
I'll be pretty next time I'm here!
{ LGF DDTers }

784 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:47:55am

#780 aussie

That's HIS problem, not yours!

785 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:47:57am

779 redstate

so, as a woman, would you recommend that I do that in my future relationships?

*grin*

786 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:50:19am

783 redstate

Oops! Gotta go. I've got a hair appointment (color and cut).
:D
I'll be even prettierpretty next time I'm here!


Fixed that for ya.
bye {redstate}

787 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:50:24am

*screams*

the Sugar-nazism has begun.

found, printed inside my Hershey's bar from the vending machine:
"Candy is a treat. Please consume in moderation."

788 Widow'smight  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:51:33am

Queen of OZ,

I just hope that he finds a replacement moonbat for me one day :-)

There are some things/People that can't be replaced, and you my dear are one of those. Anyone as sweet as you couldn't ever be a moonbat, they're too full of hatred (especially for us real farting/Belching/Bush-Loving/Beerdrinking/Charming Men).

789 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:51:48am

#712 {obi-wan}

Yes - agreed - life is too short especially when you realise that there isn't that much left to live!

At the moment though I've been concentrating on Julie in hospital

However it's time to move on now

790 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:52:09am

#782 3-Wood

Further thoughts...

4) Same rules/laws apply to all, no special treatment.

5) He owes the Vikings some of his salary.

6) He'll do it again.

NMM

791 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:53:16am

#779 red

the next level... this Blind Date has been on the net for a while but it's still funny it's a fart joke.

792 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:54:51am

Heathen

You can't throw an easy one like that out there on the DDT.

Doh! So much for the "hide in plain sight" theory I guess.

NMM

793 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:55:11am

#789 aussie

Still praying for Julie every day.

794 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 10:57:21am

bye red

795 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:05:11am

Aussie

I've been meaning to mention, I have a good friend with the same thing you daughter has who is in his 60's and has had it for over 30 years now. He's doing pretty good with it. Just wanted to encourage you.

796 Obi-wan  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:07:02am

See you all tomorrow.

Gotta buncha crap to do.

797 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:07:53am

Cell Phone Crackdown Continues
By 810 WGY News
Wednesday, August 16, 2006
THEY MEAN IT THIS TIME! LOCAL LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES ISSUED SOME 250 CITATIONS ON TUESDAY....DAY ONE OF A BLANKET PATROL AIMED AT NAILING PEOPLE NOT USING A CELL PHONE HANDS-FREE DEVICE WHILE BEHIND THE WHEEL. OF THAT NUMBER, 100 WERE ISSUED IN THE TOWN OF COLONIE ALONE. CRACKDOWN CONTINUES THRU 8 PM WEDNESDAY. FINE, BY THE WAY, IS 100 DOLLARS.

I'm a little better at math than vocabulary that's $25,000 in one day. whata racket!

798 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:08:53am

Bye obi

799 aussiemagpie  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:11:18am

Good heavens this thread is passing me by at the rate of knots!

So this is a mass posting - like those mass christenings and mass weddings :-)


#733 'Nam Grunt

Hi there and enjoy the pizza

#735 Texas heathen

LOL! We call them white pointers - when my son was really young he pointed out a topless sunbather "Look Mummy some white pointers!" Taught by his Dad

#743 bordm

OK you've left here but thanks and LOL! :-)

#760 redstateredneck

Congrats on passing the 7,000 grim milestone luv :-)

#784 {obi-wan}

Yes you are so right luv


#788 widow'smight

Hello there - you know I can still SMELL the dirty nappies with you talking about it - it's ingrained in the memory bank

AND

(especially for us real farting/Belching/Bush-Loving/Beerdrinkin g/Charming Men) of LGF.

After this marathon effort I'm signing off without a joke tonight as it's after 6AM!

Good heavens you have all kept me here chained to the keyboard posting away - The DDT is very corruptive and evil:-)

Nightynight {everyone} here and have a lovely yesterday

800 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:13:17am

797 frax

they're doing a speeding sting here in OKC... no word on the number of tickets issued, but it was nice to drive home and have everyone ELSE following the speed limit as well.

the drive was actually relaxing. . . and traffic wasn't so bad. Fewer bottlenecks are created when people are driving the speed limit instead of getting into accidents when they're riding someone's tail at 75 mph.

heh.

801 Texas Heathen  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:13:36am

c'ya {aussie}

802 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:14:33am

#790 NMM

He'll do it again.

Yep. I've known people who made one mistake, had one too many at a party and got caught. If they don't have a "problem", they react by doing all the required meetings ect, and never touch alcohol again. But this guy can't keep away from the bottle.

Robinson will probably do some time this go around (I doubt a Judge will be real amused by the evading police and the 100 mph parts, let alone the repeat DUI). But he will be standing in front of a Judge again some day. When Robinson was coming out of in the draft a few years ago, the Bears really needed a wide receiver (heck, they always need receivers, but that is besides the point), and I was interested in him. So I got on the phone and called some contacts. The word I got back on him then was that he was a fall-down drunk in college and to stay away.

803 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:18:22am
When Robinson was coming out of in the draft a few years ago, the Bears really needed a wide receiver (heck, they always need receivers, but that is besides the point), and I was interested in him. So I got on the phone and called some contacts.

Pardon the prying but are you saying that you used to work for the Bears organization? Or just that you are an avid fan and independently sought pre-draft information on him?

NMM

804 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:21:21am

NMM

Or just that you are an avid fan and independently sought pre-draft information on him?

Just an avid fan. Also I was in some fantasy leagues back then.

805 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:23:28am

802 3 wood

" (I doubt a Judge will be real amused by the evading police and the 100 mph parts, let alone the repeat DUI). "

you're talking about a Professional Athlete in MN.

Kirby Pucket, the pudgy baseball player from the MN Twins (Who died in march I heard), was caught flying down the MEDIAN of a major highway during rush hour, pulling a boat behind his SUV.

when the cops stopped him, he got irate with then and said "I'm Kirby Puckett!"

Punishment? nah. nowdays you can't even find the story on the internet. wasn't even reported in MN newspapers. just a little blurb one night in passing on the news.

he also had issues with pulling a lady into a restroom and fondling her, and being abusive toward his wife and kids (holding a cocked gun to his wife's head).

But he was treated as if he was divine up in MN... until all the crap made him think to move away (I think to AZ, but I forget)

806 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:24:18am

3-Wood

OK. With all of the other endeavors you have shared, employment with the Bears would not have surprized me!

BTW. Wednesday is the only non-practice night (excluding weekends which will soon be full of games as well) for my son during the week so we finally get to throw again tonight!

:)

NMM

807 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:25:59am

NMM

I do have some contacts in the league, so I don't have to rely on the crapola Mel Kuiper and his type put out.

808 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:27:07am

Bye {aussie}

lance 'tho i hear what you are saying and have no problem w/ people that drive the speed limit as long as they stay in the right lane. Around town i have pretty much mellowed w/ age very rarelly if ever do i speed. On the highway 'tho i stay w/ the flow of traffic or a few miles/hour faster. i always try to keep safety zones. but i do get agrevated at the people that pull out to pass and just hang there on the side of a tractertrailer then when they hit a down hill and the truck speeds up they pull in behind it. Or they do pass it and they are in front of it on the down hill and the truck has to pull out in the left lane where they shouldn't be.

809 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:30:44am

Lance

Well, you know Minnesota a lot better than I so I defer to you. I just can't see how a Judge can look the other way on felony fleeing the police and the other stuff. But, I've seen stranger stuff happen.

NMM

Good deal. Focus on using the back and legs to help carry some of the load on the arm, and try to develop a repeating motion. By that, I mean doing it the same way everytime.

810 3 wood  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:53:24am

Well, looks like I killed another thread.

I have to go to the moonbat factory anyway.

*Looking upwards*

Lord, please give me patience with the idiots I will find there.

See you all on the dead thread in the morning.

811 newmelleman  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 11:54:18am

R.I.P. DDT #22127

out.

NMM

812 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:01:56pm

808 frax

well, the speed limit is the speed limit.

though, there are flow of traffic laws, which is why I stick to the right lane and go the speed limit.

if someone in front of me is going slower, I pass, then get back into that lane.

I've always viewed the "the speed limit is too slow, I should be allowed to go faster" as a bit rebellious against our government.

and as not speeding is not a sin, I don't see a biblical precept telling me to disobey the authority set above me.

I don't care if others speed, unless they complain when they get a ticket for doing it. . . then my complaint is "You gotta live with the consequences of your actions. . . if you don't want to get any more tickets for speeding... stop speeding."


------------------------------------------

809 3 wood

Remember that MN is a Liberal State, so the amount of money and fame that he has will outweigh justice for his crimes.

I support VERY strict laws against DUI. 1 time, license is revoked. 2nd time, you don't need to drive anymore. ever. so you are banned from having a driver's license and the priviledge of driving is taken away.

813 LanceKates  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:09:36pm

*sigh*

I suppose I'll go to the upper threads...

814 fraxinus americana  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 12:27:20pm

Needed to do some parenting sorry about the lack of posts well i'll see every one in the morning perhaps.... i will check in anyway.

815 rayra[deleted]  Wed, Aug 16, 2006 7:39:36pm

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