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Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 10:09:22 pm PDT

Australian journalist Martin Chulov has blasted Foreign Minister Alexander Downer for citing zombie’s study of the ICRC ambulance hoax; but Tim Blair points out that Chulov has changed almost every detail of his story between his first report and the latest: Missile Story IV.

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1 W-lover  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:11:09pm

zombie- you're everywhere!

2 RTLM  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:14:35pm

Andrew Bolt is all over this. The wackjobs are accusing zombie of photo-fraud.

(-yucks-)

3 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:14:50pm

I thought it said: Aussie Communist Changes Ambulance Tale...

4 W-lover  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:15:12pm

Only a slight difference.

/sarc

5 Spiny Norman  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:18:47pm

I'd been following this ever-so-convenient journalistic revisionism at Tim Blair's since yesterday. Chulov is pretty damn pathetic, if you ask me.

6 christheprofessor  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:20:05pm
"Consistently, from the Hezbollah heartland, my message was that Hezbollah must stop this cowardly blending ... among women and children," UN humanitarian affairs chief Jan Egeland said.

"I heard they were proud because they lost very few fighters and that it was the civilians bearing the brunt of this. I don't think anyone should be proud of having many more children and women dead than armed men."

Ummm, yes. Right.

7 sss111  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:23:51pm

I've heard that it's common knowledge in Australian circles thet Chulov has a cocaine problem.

Consider the source.

8 Spiny Norman  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:29:09pm

BTW, don't miss the comments, they're always a treat:

It’s time someone asks the question. How many innocent journalistic memes must you destroy with your sadistic quoting and Googling?

Just how many, Tim?

Ten? Twenty? A hundred?

How many innocent newborn media narratives must die, before Inspector Timbo Javert finally satisfies his insane lust for “accuracy” and “evidence” and “corroboration”?

At long last, can’t you just leave your fellow journalists to follow their own bliss toward the higher truth?

I will now leave you to introspect in shame. I have a PhotoShop class to attend.

Posted by iowahawk

LMAO!

9 sss111  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:37:17pm

8 Spiny Norman


BTW, don't miss the comments, they're always a treat:

It’s time someone asks the question. How many innocent journalistic memes must you destroy with your sadistic quoting and Googling?

Just how many, Tim?

Ten? Twenty? A hundred?

How many innocent newborn media narratives must die, before Inspector Timbo Javert finally satisfies his insane lust for “accuracy” and “evidence” and “corroboration”?

At long last, can’t you just leave your fellow journalists to follow their own bliss toward the higher truth?

I will now leave you to introspect in shame. I have a PhotoShop class to attend.

Posted by iowahawk

LMAO!

That is truly lovely, because most 'journalists' haven't yet absorbed into their limited neurons that within the past few years, the internet and search engines and news databases have rocked their lyin' world.

That they haven't is simply unbelievable, and a bigger sign of their stupidity than perhaps any idiotic story they write.

The fact that Rathergate wasn't over after Charles' smoking memo, which was like a fingerprint only better, was the final straw. After that, the only chance that the Rathergate documents were real was about 0.000000001, which accounts for the very rare chance that they were created by a time traveller. (I understood Karl Rove's time machine was broken at the time.)

To any media idiot reading this: either get a clue, or the blogosphere will put you in the unemployment line...or jail.

10 Abu Maven  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:43:39pm

I love how these "progressive" fascists are getting their asses handed to them by Zombie. The world is changing before our eyes. Read Glenn Reynolds' book "Army of Davids."

11 Ledger1  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:44:11pm

So called “journalist” Martin Chulov got caught with his pants down and is now spewing lies in all directions.

12 NhaTrang72  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:44:44pm

So, now the sly crafty Jooos have teeny-tiny 'missles' that closely replicate the damage done to ambulance roofs by yanking off the light fixtures?

I'm disappointed that Australia has left-wing nut-jobs: I thought that somehow they had some sort of Aussie Immunity

Oh, well, at least they still have their sh*t together about immigration, after that sad lapse in the 70s

13 sss111  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:49:44pm

In one of those comments:

WHEN it comes to holes in ambulance roofs, Alexander Downer would rather believe a US-based blogger rather than the Red Cross in Lebanon. This is just more of the same from a person who took us into the Iraq fiasco for non-existent WMDs and can’t remember anything about Australian companies bribing Saddam Hussein.

Iain Lygo
Anglesea, Vic

I need to extend my quote about the stupidity of journalists to include many readers of the stupidity.

It probably never occirred to Mr. Lygo that believing a person was a little different than believing a well-documented, critical piece written by a person that stands on its own merits.

Argument by authority is bad enough when made by writers, but when expected by readers who dismiss articles because they are written by Unverified Internet Bloggers™, then it surely follows that western civilization is in bigger trouble than we thought.

p.s. we need an Unverified Internet Bloggers™ emblem. As a source of pride.

14 zombie  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 8:58:49pm
#2 RTLM
Andrew Bolt is all over this. The wackjobs are accusing zombie of photo-fraud.

Really? Where? i haven't seen that.

How can they accuse me of photo fraud? Every single photo in my report is taken from a media site or a pro-Lebanon site, and I provide a link in every case to the original souce. I'd be really curious to see in what fashion they could possibly be accusing me.

15 zombie  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:03:25pm
#13 sss111
p.s. we need an Unverified Internet Bloggers™ emblem. As a source of pride.

I'd like that. Put a little button at the top of every report. "Unverified Internet Blog." Then , in a circle around the logo,
"I G N O R E T H I S E V I D E N C E ."

16 Spiny Norman  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:08:58pm

#14 zombie

I'd be really curious to see in what fashion they could possibly be accusing me.

Anything they think their idiot leftist synchophant readers might swallow, I rather imagine. So it could be just about anything.

17 zombie  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:12:38pm

The thing aboiut this Martin Chulov article that made me laugh the hardest is his continued reliance of the credibility of the words of journalists. The whole point behind my exposé is that the words of journalists can no longer be trusted. A new paradigm shift has arrived, thanks to the blogs: Show us the evidence. Used to be in the old days, a reporter could just say something was true, and the entire weight of centuries' worth of journalistic credibility made his statement be unquestioningly accepted as fact by the public. But now that's over. Now: prove it, or shut up.

Yet Chulov, ignoring the paradigm shift, again writes yet another proof-free words-only article, in which he again flatly asserts that he is right. With no evidence.

Hellooo? You just proved my case yet again by passing up the the opportunity, yet again, to present us with a scrap of evidence to support your claims. And the fact that you don't provide any evidence can only mean one thing: you don't have any.

Chulov states that he even went back and looked at the ambulance. And yet he didn't even take pictures! Not that they'd prove anything at this point: Hezbollah has had a month to take a blow-torch, a sledge-hammer, and some Rustoleum to the ambulance, to doctor it up good for some brand-new "evidence." But no -- Chulov isn't even trying. "Yeah, I looked at the ambulance -- looks like it was blowed up to me!"

Beyond pathetic. Next!

18 zombie  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:16:27pm

reliance of = reliance on

PIMF

19 R2D2  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:20:10pm

OT

Erlanger is not happy with criticism

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

20 Fiery Red XIII  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 9:25:49pm

Here's a pro's opinion (for Zombie and the others, though I know you don't need it):

I've been an EMT for over 5 years. I have seen ambulances burned, shot, had things like rocks and other objects thrown at them, hit by other vehilces, windows KICKED out, tipped over, etc. I will admit I've never seen a missle hit a rig live. But, if a drunk can KICK an ambulance window out, a missle should've wiped em completely. Fires leave burn marks and carbon, neither of which were apparent. bullet holes/stones/dents will cause rust and the grey from where paint and primer separate. Metal-to-metal contact causes rust on vehicles. This was not a missle, and by the way Red "Cross"...your ambulances in Palestinian areas are not red cross, they're "Red Crescent". And why is it that those ambulances smuggle people/explosives into Isreal? And why did 1 of your female medics try to suicide bomb an Isreali hospital? The Red Cross is a terrorist front! They are the biggest collector of donated blood, but charge the most money for said blood! When troops as far back as WW2 (b/c that's as far back as any1 living can tell me), when troops came home, Red Cross charged them for coffee,blankets, etc. While Salvation army gave em it FREE!

Red

21 transferthem  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 10:23:16pm

Therein lies the problem with the msm. They are never happy to be caught out as unprofessional liars. I suggest that the blog investigated the ambulance hoax in the manner of a prefessional forensic journalist. The msm just printed what a terrorist genocide organisation told them to write because it was less hassle and they were safer going along with the thugs than telling their readers the truth.

22 river doc  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 10:24:54pm

A little OT, but as logger phd (who was looking for a link) noted in the locked thread below , Charles, lgf and Zombie all got a good mention in the National Post this morning.

Sorry, it's subscriber only. I went rooting through my pile of papers, but I'm pretty sure my hardcopy went to the recycler during this evening's cleaning binge. Though on the bright side, I did solve the mystery of the missing bath towel... if I dig a little deeper, I may find my first copy of that Sharansky book!

23 Orbit Rain  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 10:56:13pm

"...has changed almost every detail of his story..."

liars lie

I'm not even bothering to read some nobody from Australia I've never heard of...probably yet another pussy that wants to cower and make excuses, nothing worth wasting my time with...hardly worth this comment...really...

24 Geepers  Thu, Aug 31, 2006 11:21:35pm

From Tim Blair's comments:

I’ve posted this before and after this I’m going to leave it at that. Chulov explains the rusting in part by "where (Lebanon’s)humidity on the coast does not drop below 70per cent.” If you ever want a fine example of a non-sequitur this is it.

Humidity in Lebanon is currently at 75%. Over next 5 days projections are around 50%.

Humidity at the Australian Antartic Division Weather station at Casey (66 Degrees South - perched on the edge of the Antartic Ice cap) is currently 82%. Phew, must be pretty tropical and humid down there eh? Far worse than the paltry 70% Chulov quotes. Here’s an image of it. Note all the beach umbrellas and palm trees. I think I can even see a bloke in budgie smugglers sucking on a stubby under one of them.

I’ll say it again and it may sound strange, but a high relative humidity does not imply what people refer to as “high humidity” atmospheric conditions. And vice versa. But then again, not much in his story is correct, so I shouldn’t expect him to bother too much about the atmospherics.

Posted by Whale Spinor

25 Stuck-in-CA  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 12:00:12am

OT-

Go see the documentary "Border Wars". It's very good but it's only showing in limited theaters. The more people that go, the more theaters will pick it up. I saw it in Burbank. All Americans should see this film, about what our Border Patrol is up against and the dangers of a wide open border to our country.

26 sss111  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 12:59:38am

#15 zombie

#13 sss111
p.s. we need an Unverified Internet Bloggers™ emblem. As a source of pride.

I'd like that. Put a little button at the top of every report. "Unverified Internet Blog." Then , in a circle around the logo,
"I G N O R E T H I S E V I D E N C E ."

Can some artsy person please design this?

The fact that Rathergate wasn't over after Charles' smoking memo, which was like a fingerprint only better, was the final straw. After that, the only chance that the Rathergate documents were real was about 0.000000001, which accounts for the very rare chance that they were created by a time traveller. (I understood Karl Rove's time machine was broken at the time.)

Amplifying my point, it occurred that there is an extremely large number (infinite?) of character alignments possible in any block of proportionally-spaced test, depending on the formulas used to determine exact character width and spacing etc.

Alteration of even one character by Charles' MS-Word compared to the "mythical 1973 proportional typewriter" would have shown up in the Smoking Memo, and would cascade to shift other characters further down the line as well.

Therefore the perfect match of the Smoking Memo is proof the "1973" documents were created via the version of MS-Word Charles used, to an extremely high degree of certainty. Like 99.9999999% (you still have to account for the remote possibility of time travel- /sarc)

That it took so much discussion and argument with the media and LLL types, and that Mary Mapes and Dan Rather are still moonbatting on about it, is proof of the media and left's idiocy.

27 transferthem  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 1:10:08am

zombie

The sad truth is that you have done what so-called professional journalists are supposed to do. They have spent their historical capital of uncompormising publication of the truth. They give us what they want us to hear. israel is evil - let's pretend Israel attacked a red cross ambulance to prove it! Story doesn't add up? Who cares as it illustrates the greater truth about the middle east as dreamt up by left wing terror loving msm editors. So even the lies are true, in msm speke!

I prefer your version. Your version would pass muster in any truly forensic examination.

The ambulance attack ws a lie. It never happened but it represents the truth in the minds of anti west, anti American, antisemitic chattering classes in the msm who WANTED it to be true.

Meanwhile, hundreds of rockets packed with ball bearings and aimed at Jewish civilians (exclusively) are ignored by teh truth makers in msm.

It is sad that those like you, zombie, may be the last bastion of freedom in the west. We sure as hell can't trust the msm as this incident, the tip of an iceberg, has pointedly revealed.

28 jewrick  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 2:41:25am

Reporting has not changed, audience awareness has. Everyone has a view of what is happening worldwide. The internet, computers, cel phones provide access. TV and print reporters haven't figured this out yet. Anything the media publishes is open to scrutiny,and so far, this seems to indicate a high percentage of what we're being shown is bullshit. Motives? Who knows. Can every editor, journalist, paper and TV network be anti-semitic or guilt ridden and pulling for the 'poor Arabs'? MSM will have to really improve their line of doctoring,staging,and lies or start reporting truthfully. I'm hoping for the truth, but then I always like the underdog.

29 Self Hating Muslim  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 4:33:32am

Heh.

30 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 5:28:17am

From the article:

The source of his findings was a right-wing Florida-based website, zombietime.com, which had devoted 28 pages to discredit the story and lambasted the world's media for covering it.


I thought zombie was based in CA. Oh well somebody set me straight. Is zombie one of those confused, hanging chad, silver haired AARP receiving, folks or is he/she a long haired, hippie, enviro, tree hugging, quake dodging surfer dude / valley girl?

31 RTLM  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 5:31:32am

#14 zombie

Bolt

Posted by chris on Thu 31 Aug 06 at 11:12am:
So Andrew, not even the right wing Australian agrees with you on the ambulance! Time to eat some humble pie, after reading the report of Martin Chulov? And the Austrlaian has been very pro-Isreal in this war… but the difference between them and you is they actually investigated, wheras you just believed a right wing Isreali website.. and you believed because you wanted to believe.. read the report, as Pellicule of Sydney above suggests, eat some humble pie, and apoolgise…


Posted by spiro on Thu 31 Aug 06 at 03:12pm:
Dear Andrew,
Why are you still working after falling for the Zombietime hoax? Why haven’t you resigned?
You called for Terry Lane’s head after he fell for an internet hoax, and now you have done the same yourself.
Surely if Terry deserved to be sacked then so do you.
32 RightLogic  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 5:50:50am

OT (sort of)

Did anyone else catch this swipe at Israeli citizens yesterday by the BBC?

Commandos storm Tel Aviv embassy

Here's the article for those who don't want to bother with the beeb:

Israeli police commandos have stormed a British embassy compound in Tel Aviv to capture a man who broke in and demanded asylum in the UK.
Nadim Injaz, 28, from Ramallah in the West Bank, had threatened to kill himself on live television if he did not get asylum.

Mr Injaz is a Palestinian and is reported to have been an informant.

He was chased down an alleyway by officers, held and taken off the compound, the BBC's Paul Adams said.

Our correspondent said there were no shots fired and no injuries. He said it was believed food given to Mr Injaz may have contained a sedative to slow down his reactions.


Someone should come and help me. No one wants to help me
Nadim Injaz

Mr Injaz was reported to have been armed with a pistol, but this was later found to have been a toy gun, police told Israel's Channel 10 TV, news agency Reuters reported.

The man, who entered the compound several hours earlier, had reportedly told another Israeli broadcaster, Channel 2: "Someone should come and help me. No one wants to help me."

Mr Injaz is said to have feared he may have been killed by Palestinian militants, and that Israeli authorities refused to help him.

It is thought he scaled a fence to enter the compound.

Embassy spokeswoman Karen Kaufman said: "As far as the embassy is concerned, the event is over."

BBC Jerusalem correspondent Nick Thorpe said the British embassy is a secure modern building near the seafront in Tel Aviv, with a high metal fence and security barriers.

Visitors to the embassy are normally screened by guards at the gate.

Our correspondent said incidents of this nature were very rare despite the large number of Israeli citizens who carry firearms.

WTF?

My question to the BBC is, what does the last sentence have to do with the article in general? It is stated that the man is a Palestinian not an Israeli or an Arab-Israeli. Even if he were, the implication is then that this sort of event should be happening day in and day out becuase Israeli citizens are known to carry arms (as is their right). Well, every adult citizen of Switzerland is allowed to own a weapon (full automatic weapons at that). Should we now be concerned about every embassy in Zurich being stormed by Swiss citizens? (If I recall correctly, the last take over of an embassy in Switzerland was done by a faction of the PLO).

Got to hand it to the BBC for being able to be concise in their ability to piss off as many people as possible in so short a sentence.

33 itellu3times  Fri, Sep 1, 2006 6:01:32am

... and the missiles were fired by Morgan Fairchild, yeah, that's it!

(where is John Lovitz when we need him!)

(for that matter, where is Morgan Fairchild when we need her?)


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