What did you expect?

Bills massive ego needs constant massaging and he pouts when he doesn't get it

Clinton is way guilty of doing something wrong...yet again.

I found something interesting today, George Bush is financing the rebuilding of Lebanon. For those who are interested here is the story:

[Link: www.state.gov...]

Bill was a bit purple in the face, now wasn't he?!

Absolutely. Slick's performance was disjointed and ragged. Not to mention semi-rabid.

The entire Democrat party is off their collective rocker.

hmm When I listened to it, he admitted to contracting with people to have Bin Laden killed. IANAL, but I think that's a federal offense.

"Goes"? Wrong tense, I think.

"Has always been" would be better.

"Finally proven to be a dangerous psycopath" would be the most accurate.

The only thing I can say about this moral degenerate is that he was not as bad a Presidnet as Jimmy Carter.

Personally, I've disliked Mike Wallace and his little punk of a son for a long time, so I actually enjoyed watching Chris made to look foolish.

Chris Wallace just sat back and let him sputter...he just fell apart. His fall from grace is complete. Ah yes, he has come from the dark side of the force...no that was a movie - dammit he is still a lib.

Yep! This latest episode by Willie made my whole day.

& just in time for the elections. WooHoo!

On NPR today, the liberals (show hosts AND call-ins) were all THRILLED that "finally, somebody is standing up to the right!"

One woman said right after she heard Bill's blast, she immediately wrote a check to the DNC.

I just heard a few cuts on Rush's show. He ABSOLUTELY sounded slurred - almost as if he had suffered a stroke.

If only he wasn't soo busy looking for UBL! Then he would have time to get blown under his desk while speaking to senators on the phone! And Arafat wouldn't have had to wait in the next room for soo long when he was inserting a cigar in a 21 year intern!

Damn you UBL, DAMN YOU!

WHere's BabbaZee when we need her?

see #13

They were talking about Clinton's performance as "energizing the base."

When Clintons Attack!

8/7c on Fox

I especially liked where Wallace asked him why he didn't do anything in response to a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." Oh wait...

#13 nonic

Clinton has been, and always will be an icon to the neo-libs. His intellectual and moral dishonesty mirrors theirs.

#17 nonic

Clinton's performance?!? What about Monica Lewinsky's "performance"?

I had initially heard that this was a stunt, designed to make the dems look tough. I heard Wallace say later that Clinton tore into his staff, threatened to fire them if they ever set him up like this again.

Un. Hinged.

No wonder he got so lathery about the 9/11 film, he's nuts about keeping his legacy intact, whatever that could mean.

when he was inserting a cigar ...

Never quite got the appeal of that one.

"Personally, I've disliked Mike Wallace and his little punk of a son for a long time, so I actually enjoyed watching Chris made to look foolish"

How exactly did Chris Wallace come off as foolish? His old man is a kool aid drinker from way back but Chris is a good solid journalist. Wild Bill is used to softballs like "What kind of underwear do you wear?" When presented with real questions of his record, thats what you get. HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY LEGACY?Way to go Chris.

Even my apolitical teenaged son caught a few moments of the meltdown and commented on it. Wallace really struck a nerve, huh Willie?

It's come to this.

Some fat chick shows her thong, and POW!

I have a feeling that Mr.Clinton is regretting his meltdown yesterday. Chris Wallace was the wrong person to who Clinton should have ranted. Chris always comes out reasonable and humble (much unlike his arrogant senior) in any interview he does. I still remember his piece on the O'Neil rant against John F Kerry.

You could feel the anger Clinton had towards the docudrama presented by ABC recently. That had Clarke to be the know-all on terrorism. Clinton also seems to think that Clarke is the greatest authority on terrorism.

Some thought!

A presidency spent attending fund-raisers, marketing the Lincoln Bedroom, hanging out with Hollywood celebrities and chasing interns leaves precious little time for national defense.

send in the trolllsss...

Don't bother, they're here!

but I don’t think it was only anger—there were slurred words and strange broken sentences.

I noticed that too.

Demontia
with a side of drug abuse
~ Dr. BabbaZee

/See you later
off to make a film

Where should Chris send the bill for cleaning the froth, foam and spittle from his suit?

Did anyone notice when Clinton said, "President Bush fff... didn't succeed." I think he was about to say, "President Bush Failed." Nice save Mr. Clinton!

I could swear that I saw Clinton holding two silver balls in his hand, repeatedly swirling them around and around while muttering something about missing strawberries...

I don’t think it was only anger—there were slurred words and strange broken sentences

Oh, come on now.

Yes, he went into a self-serving hissy fit, and conveniently forgot to mention things like the Sudanese offer to turn over OBL. But let's not breezily imply he was, what, drunk, drugged? Makes us sound like KosKids.

Oh, and #19 liberality--

didn't do anything in response to a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." Oh wait...

Yeah, and I'm sure if the Bush administration had dropped ordnance on Afghanistan in summer of '01 based on that report, you'd have backed him all the way, right, asshat?

I suspect drugs...

Or lack thereof.

#19 liberality
There you go. Grasping at straws. Again.

Charles, your heading that

"Clinton Goes Nuts"

reminds me that whilst Carter grew Peanuts, I don't suppose you could say "Clinton grew Peanus"

Bill makes a GREAT point though...G.W. Bush NEVER gets asked "pointed questions" by the media...he is ALLLWAYS getting a pass from the press...

Another 'vast right-wing conspiracy'. It's quite possible he's losing his mind. Paranoia piled on top of narcissism. What's next?

Hillary should learn from Nancy Reagan. Protect and shield her husband in his sunset years.

Slick Willie went into that interview knowing something would be asked about his what he knew and when did he know it about UBL. Whenever Bubba is spinning a story the give away is the biting of the lower lip. I am sure Hillary learned early on in thier relationship to recognize this as a sign of his lying.
I am going to do some serious research on this fella Richard Clarke that he seems determined to depict as the be all and end all expert on Islamic terrorism. I always viewed him as only having one oar in the water and more inclined to tell his boss what he thought they wanted to hear rather then what they needed to hear to keep his job.

What was especially pathetic was Clinton's mewling of "oh, you big meanie, you LIED to me, you said we'd be talking about the Clinton Initiative!" Hey, dumbass, you were president of the US for 8 years, don't you think people might have a few questions for you other than "exactly how wonderful is your latest eponymous initiative, sir?"

didn't do anything in response to a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." Oh wait

I would think the fact that UBL declared war on us back in the 90s might have warranted a little action, too. Do a google on willie and UBL then compare that to slick and sadaam - it's a little lopsided, if you stick to when he was in office.

If you look at what he accomplished in that same time, it's all in his mind.

This just shows you that Clinton is and was a complete failure!

The media proves it's collective left-wing bias by the way it treats Clinton; It's just as Michelle says - the with kissy face soft ball questions.

None of the standard left-wing media babes ask Clinton any hard questions.

What do you expect when someone who is faced with oral sex in the oval office as his legacy?

#11 bolivar: Yeah, reminds me of a quote from Napoleon Bonaparte "Never interrupt an enemy when he's making a mistake".

As much fun as this topic is... a little OT for all you lizards out there:

I wonder how long it took Musharraf to come to this decision?

mmm ok no chance... ha!

Smart man that Pervez...

Thank G-d for term limits. The lead story today could've been about a stained blue burkha!

With Democrats - it's all about their precious popularity. The democrat party has become the party of the snooty high school kids.
We all remember those snotty asshole kids.

They make me sick.

I don’t think it was only anger—there were slurred words and strange broken sentences.

I said the same thing to my wife; he'd been drinkin'.

Nuff said:
Dereliction of Duty

LET'S DO A THOUGHT experiment: Perhaps Bill Clinton, an experienced and sophisticated politician, knew what he was doing when he made big news by "losing his temper" in his interview with Chris Wallace. Perhaps Clinton's aides knew what they were doing when they publicized the interview by providing their own transcript to a left-wing website as soon as possible Friday evening, and then pre-spun reporters late Friday and Saturday. Maybe it was just damage control. Or maybe Clinton did what he wanted to do when he indignantly defended himself, blasted the Bush administration, and attacked Fox News. What could Clinton have been seeking to accomplish? Three things.

1. Helping Democrats in 2006.
2. Helping Hillary in 2008.
3. Intimidating Critics.

Clinton wants to make it incorrect, or at least impolite, to criticize his record on terror. Chris Wallace stood up to him. Will others? Will his next interviewer raise the same set of questions? Will they be willing to take the criticism of being "conservative hit men" or part of the vast, Fox-centered right-wing conspiracy? Bullying and intimidation sometimes work. Clinton has used both effectively in the past. Now he wants to put out of bounds certain perfectly legitimate and straight-forward questions. Can we debate which party--based on their practice when in power--can better deal with the jihadist/terror threat? No, according to Clinton. That's illegitimate right-wing propaganda. Whose personal reputation benefits from putting such issues out of bounds? Which political party benefits? Which 2008 presidential candidate?

Bill Clinton is a smart (and calculating) politician.

Why Clinton
"Lost His Temper"
The former president knew what he was doing.

Ol' Slick is still trying to be the center of attention. Let's face it - once you are President of the United States, what's left? You've had the best, and probably the most important, job on Earth. What is left, once all of the trappings of power, the jets, the daily life-and-death struggles are gone, then what? Play golf? Build houses? Hang out with your buddies from your administration?

No, you inject yourself into the daily news! Make sure you make people remember your great legacy (Carter, Clinton). Remind people how wonderful you were, and still are! Oh, and don't forget to bad-mouth the current administration at every opportunity, because, of course if either of these goons were still in office, things would be MUCH better, and people around the world would LOVE us, blah blah blah.

Guess what, Slick? You had eight years. You fucked up! You had your chance to get these bastards LONG before 9/11, but you were so busy honing your legacy, and humping interns, that you lost sight of how important your job as POTUS was. It is all about me, in your eyes. Narcissus could take lessons from you.

And Jimmy, you screwed this country up so bad, I won't reflect on your incompetence; it's a matter of history and the public record. And that's why we, the people, showed you the door after four truly miserable years. You make a fine Sunday school teacher, and you build a nice house. Stick to what you're good at. World politics is NOT what you're good at.

Now, would the two of you please just go home and keep your mouths shut? You need to know your place...you are not the President anymore. Take a cue from your Republican predecessors. Let the adults run the show, thanks!

I haven’t seen anyone mention it, but I don’t think it was only anger—there were slurred words and strange broken sentences.

You should read LGF, they're always on top of things. ;-)

“We left Bush with Dick Clarke, and what did he do, he demoted him.”

I'm with #33 OR on this one. And I'll take it one step further. The Bush Administration was in the middle of setting up its national security posture towards terrorism, and trying to get away from focusing on individuals like Osama to deal with what they perceived as the larger threat posed by state-sponsored terrorism. And no one really wants to talk about how the delay in determining the outcome of the 2000 election had on the national security posture when there were positions to be filled and the like.

The thing is you have to deal with both.

Also, had the US gone ahead and dropped ordnance on on Osama in the summer of 2001, that would not have necesarily have stopped the 9/11 attacks. That plan was already in motion by that time - and there is some indication that it was an ongoing plot from 1998 forward.

Hmmm.. listening carefully for the alleged slurring... so far I notice:

"your lice little conservative hitjob"

(he seems to have taken the "l" from "little" and turned "nice" into "lice")

#19 liberality

I especially liked where Wallace asked him why he didn't do anything in response to a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." Oh wait...

It's really sad the CIA couldn't give better information than OBL himself did in 1998.

This is why the Democrats can't connect with anyone on the issue of terrorism but other Democrats. The Republicans get it better than the Democrats, but still don't get it.

This is the only paragraph which even comes close to covering what happened on 9/11, which is to say not very close:

Nevertheless, FBI information since that time indicates patterns of suspicious activity in this country consistent with preparations for hijackings or other types of attacks, including recent surveillance of federal buildings in New York.

So the government issued multiple terror alerts mentioning airplanes. But the PC environment pushed by the Democrats precluded profiling or connecting domestic and foreign intelligence (Gorelick's-D Wall).

Personally, I find the entire federal government to be clueless when it comes to the global jihad. The only bit of insight which managed to catch up with the Internet was the DoD paper on Mecca --> Medina Islam. Of course we'd been talking about it for years by the time it came out.

#19 liberality

shit for brains, have you read the document?

there was nothing new in it.

all the info in that paper was info the bill-the-rapist saw.

pathetic troll.

Ah, you misjudge Mr. Bill.

First of all, nothing this clown does is by accident. This screed was designed to counteract the very real perception by many Americans that the Democratic party is `weak on Islamic terrorism' in the run up to the November midterms.

I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton rehearsed this.

Second, by asking the question, Wallace played into Mr. Bill's hands quite nicely, giving weight to the absurb position that Clinton and many on the left have had all along..that we only have a problem with al Qaeda and with Osama bin-Laden and it's all just a law enforcement problem: J O S H U A P U N D I T: Is Osama dead? Who cares?

Clinton Shminton...WHO CARES?!?!

#24

I still remember his piece on the O'Neil rant against John F Kerry.

so now truth becomes a rant?

Too bad Bubba didn't have the advantage of the web that his vice president invented or he might have had access to information like this. and if you scroll down to the interview with OBL in May of 1998 you will see where he publicily declared war on America. Now who was president back then. . .

'You Do Not Touch the Interviewer'

I suggest sensitivity training.
Something beyond biting your lip.

"That's the difference in me and some..."

he meant to say "between"

Der Schlickmeister's outburst reminds me of the Star Trek episode where Kirk and company and taken captive and kept in an old 17th century manor by someone named Trelane.

After a few tussles Trelane and Kirk have a final showdown and just when Trelane is going to run Kirk through with a sword Trelane's "parents" show up as lights in the sky, tell Trelane to stop acting like a brat, and apologize to Kirk for the behavior of their spoiled son.

When Trelane is told to come home by his parents he goes into a tantrum about how Kirk and company belonged to him and that he was just about to win.

"I was going to win."

"I would've won."

"I would've..."

"I would've..."

"I would've..."

And then Trelane fades away.

Hate to admit it, but I've met Monica Lewinsky and whatever respect I'd had for Clinton at the time evaporated in less than a second.

OT - but looks like the Left is all out to defeat George Allen.
I wouldn't be surprised if he lost.

Talk about snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

Clinton should thank his lucky stars for Jimmy Carter. Keeps him from being America's Worst President.

#67 nosubmission:

come on now...do YOU want to be judged by every boy/girl you've "not had sexual relations" with?

L-rd knows! I don't!

#67 NoSubmission 9/25/2006 12:03PM PDT

Was she that dumb or that unattractive or both?

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#63 6patrick6

Ol' Slick is still trying to be the center of attention. Let's face it - once you are President of the United States, what's left?

Secy-general of the UN. Although I'd not view it as so. I'm sure Clinton does.

My husband also commented that he looked awful. He is not healthy--for whatever reason.

I always wondered about the Clinton's anti-smoking campaign. People who protest so loudly to one vice and seem to take the moral high ground on the issue, are usually covering up for another.

71 GregInSeattle

The latter. Definitely the LATTER!

didn't do anything in response to a memo saying, "Bin Laden Determined to Strike Within U.S." Oh wait...

Yeah, and I'm sure if the Bush administration had dropped ordnance on Afghanistan in summer of '01 based on that report, you'd have backed him all the way, right, asshat?

Heh.

Interviews such as this with public figures are useless. Lib or conservative, it doesn't matter, trying to get the truth out or recount history through a series of probing questions never works. The person being interviewed has either had access to the questions beforehand or they skirt the issue when the unexpected arises as Clinton did here. As always, actions speak louder than words, but all we ever get is words from libs like him.

#66 Prestor John

ahhh, I remember that episode. Yes, I see the similarity :)

Worse case sceanario
Hitlary as president
Bubba head of the Un
/slightly behind Venezeula on the Security Council and Khatami as head of the Un

#70 WrathofG-d

come on now...do YOU want to be judged by every boy/girl you've "not had sexual relations" with?

LORD knows I certainly DON'T either! But he was the President!

I heard another take on spinning this morning, an editor(?) from newsweak. He focused on how the neocons (uh oh) we too worried about their plans to wipe clinton's whole presidency (boogah boogah) out of the historical record.

I sort of recall a period of bridge building, heck even some huggy huggy between Bush and Kennedy (no kids left behind?) - but maybe that makes me a wingnut.

But, I did take heart that even Imus noted clinton seeming unhinged, and they suggested that they'd have 'slapped him' for touching their notes...

My take is that all but the real die hard clinton fans think he's got a lot of history to preserve, or the clinton version thereof.

#30 winsmom

Where should Chris send the bill for cleaning the froth, foam and spittle from his suit?

It's now officially an EPA Superfund site.

Here's the barf point for me -- the TV head gushes: "You have a lot of intelligence..."

*hurl*

#73 ggt --- I had considered that, too. Especially if a Dem (or worse, a Dem named Hillary!) gets the White House in '08.

OOhhh, then Jimmy would get an ambassadorship to, say, China? North Korea?

Iran?

Actually, Matt Drudge pointed out the slurred speech from Cluinton during his NY-only half hour prior to his national show last night...

Cinema BabbaZee Presents:

My Megamaniacal Meltdown

I really needed more frames for this one, but I'll just make a few more...

Transcript of the interview

Whoremonger of the Caliphate Melt Down

79 No Submission

#70 WrathofG-d

come on now...do YOU want to be judged by every boy/girl you've "not had sexual relations" with?

LORD knows I certainly DON'T either! But he was the President!

AND he wasn't 21. We'll forgive a lot of "youthful" mistakes, when they are made by the young. Not old married with children presidents.

#78 Just_A_Grunt

Bubba as "head" of the UN?

/what about monica?

Chris wallace handled it like a pro.

Chris is doing the Wallace name right after his nutty dad kissed Dinner jackets ass.

Rush did a three-hour Fisking on Clinton today. One thing I noticed when he was freaking over Path to 9/11 is he referred to it Pathway to 9/11.

I'm surprised he didn't refer to it as the so-called Path to 9/11.

#86 ggt

He has a child president? Is that like Mini-Me?

#89 Jammie

Or Sociopath to 9/11 (speaking about himself)

#90 ward

OK, bad sentence structure. If it even was a sentence. Bad sentence-fragment structure.

the slurred speech could be a result of a stroke that occured during his surgery. I've not watched the interview yet. but I do know that major cardiac surgical procedures can be risky partly due to stroke risk. That's totally separate from them simply cutting on your heart in the first place.

It wouldn't have to be a big stroke either. just a few tiny ones and boom you get slurred speech.

#80 brent

newsweak

ROFL. Was that a typo, or on purpose?

Ward --mini-me

uuummm, what do you think they are grooming Chelsea for?

BabbaZee

You go girl!

Billy Boy managed to make everyone happy. Drudge spent almost the full three hours of his radio show gloating over Clinton coming unglued, and the lefties are all convinced that Clinton "spoke truth to power" or whatever.

I always thought that one of Clinton's "strengths" was remaining slick, confident, and unruffled under attack, even while lying his a** off. Seeing him completely lose his composure on camera and babble like angry white trash was quite a treat...

#52 J.D.
Interesting theory but I'm not buying it. He came off paraniod and angry, he's too smart of a politician to have done this intentionaly.

The Drudge commentary from the update is hilarious.

#67 NoSubmission

You have to wonder what kind of Joo-doo that ambitious, zaftik, did on Bubba. I mean-of all the women he COULDA done...It simply boggles the mind.

#99 Kilgore --

52 J.D.
Interesting theory but I'm not buying it. He came off paraniod and angry, he's too smart of a politician to have done this intentionaly.

You are probably right, I don't think Hillary would let him out if there was a risk of him not following a script.

#94 WriterMom

newsweak

Nice catch! What a marvelous freudian typo!

94 - newsweak

I really wanted to capitalize it, but that might label me, too.

I lost a lot of respect for that magazine about a year ago, when they tried to defend some story they mangled. It came out very defensive, very short on apologies or actions.

Intentional targeting of journalists, maybe? They have been a joke to me since, especially this editor - recall him as the talking head defending themselves earlier.

...weak.

oops, yes - intentional misspelling...

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#99 KillgoreTrout
It worked before!
Tried and true!

You weren't expecting a thoughtful discussion or anything, were you?

#101 WriterMom

Word! It was so funny, all I could think was, "Hey, I could have had him easy!"

OT:

The German opera in Berlin set "Idomeneo" off. She fears assaults of radical islamists because of contents of the Mozart opera. It gives an endangerment analysis of the state criminal police agency, said opera speakers to Alexander Busche on Monday.

Source in German

WC was just campaigning for her.

Clinton and the Iranians

Where is the country that Bill Clinton, a former president of the United States, feels ideologically most at home?

Before you answer, here is the condition that such a country must fulfill: It must hold several consecutive elections that produce 70 percent majorities for "liberals and progressives."

Well, if you thought of one of the Scandinavian countries or, perhaps, New Zealand or Canada, you are wrong.

Believe it or not, the country Bill Clinton so admires is the Islamic Republic of Iran.

Here is what Clinton said at a meeting on the margins of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, just a few weeks ago: "Iran today is, in a sense, the only country where progressive ideas enjoy a vast constituency. It is there that the ideas that I subscribe to are defended by a majority."

And here is what Clinton had to say in a recent television interview with Charlie Rose:

"Iran is the only country in the world that has now had six elections since the first election of President Khatami (in 1997). (It is) the only one with elections, including the United States, including Israel, including you name it, where the liberals, or the progressives, have won two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote in six elections: Two for president; two for the Parliament, the Majlis; two for the mayoralties. In every single election, the guys I identify with got two-thirds to 70 percent of the vote. There is no other country in the world I can say that about, certainly not my own."

So, while millions of Iranians, especially the young, look to the United States as a mode of progress and democracy, a former president of the US looks to the Islamic Republic as his ideological homeland.

But who are "the guys" Clinton identifies with?

There is, of course, President Muhammad Khatami who, speaking at a conference of provincial governors last week, called for the whole world to convert to Islam.

"Human beings understand different affairs within the global framework that they live in," he said. "But when we say that Islam belongs to all times and places, it is implied that the very essence of Islam is such that despite changes (in time and place) it is always valid."

There is also Khatami's brother, Muhammad-Reza, the man who, in 1979, led the "students" who seized the US Embassy in Tehran and held its diplomats hostage for 444 days. There is Massumeh Ebtekar, a poor man's pasionaria who was spokesperson for the hostage-holders in Tehran. There is also the late Ayatollah Sadeq Khalkhali, known to Iranians as "Judge Blood".

Not surprisingly, Clinton's utterances have been seized upon by the state-controlled media in Tehran as a means of countering President George W. Bush's claim that the Islamic Republic is a tyranny that oppresses the Iranians and threatens the stability of the region.

Clinton's declaration of love for the mullas shows how ill informed even a US president could be.

Didn't anyone tell Clinton, when he was in the White House, that elections in the Islamic Republic were as meaningless as those held in the Soviet Union? Did he not know that all candidates had to be approved by the "Supreme Guide", and that no one from opposition is allowed to stand? Did he not know that all parties are banned in the Islamic Republic, and that such terms as "progressive" and "liberal" are used by the mullas as synonyms for "apostate", a charge that carries a death sentence?

More importantly, does he not know that while there is no democracy without elections there can be elections without democracy?

#106 J.D.
nah, I'm just flapping my gums.

Clinton (Slick Willie) being karmically dissed by the British Group Bush - two choice lines from their song Little Things

i touch your mouth
my willy is food

Kinda hard to stay focused on the phone with a Congressman discussing troop deployment in Bosia while simultaneously "feeding" Monica.
Krauthammer nails this one.

Wonder what Monica thinks everytime Bill gives an interview.

She's trying to stay out of the spotlight. And now, after the interview, we're talking about Bill and the thong, blue dress, etc.

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Writermom, it warms the cockles of my heart to think that they are sane conservative adults in Toronto. I used to go there a lot but got tired of the condescension and Yank bashing.

May you plant the seeds of sanity and wisdom wherever you go in Toronto.

Not a fun day in the Land of Slick.

Producer accuses Clintons of 'looting'

A Hollywood producer who sought to hire President Clinton as a "rainmaker" has told a California court the former president and his wife, Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, cheated him out of a multimillion-dollar Internet venture and he wants his money back.

In a complaint to be heard today in Superior Court in Los Angeles, Peter F. Paul says the scheme was orchestrated by Mrs. Clinton, who convinced him to spend $1.9 million on campaign fundraisers prior to her November 2000 election to the Senate and then reneged on promises to help him on the Internet deal.

The 43-page complaint, which also accuses Mr. Clinton and others involved in Mrs. Clinton's "New York Senate 2000" campaign of taking part in the conspiracy, seeks $30 million in stock losses and $1.9 million in cash. The complaint is part of a pending lawsuit against Mr. Clinton and will be heard by Superior Court Judge Aurelio N. Munoz.

In a telephone interview from his California home, Paul, a convicted felon, said the Clintons "looted" his business to generate the largest contribution to Mrs. Clinton's 2000 Senate campaign in New York. Describing himself as a "disgruntled business associate" and not a "disgruntled contributor," he said the Clintons reneged on promises they made that Mr. Clinton would work with him after he left the White House.

He said he was "cajoled and then coerced" by Mr. Clinton as "an erstwhile future business partner" to make expenditures to benefit the president and his wife.

Paul produced and underwrote an August 2000 fundraiser called the "Gala Hollywood Farewell Salute to President William Jefferson Clinton," attended by numerous celebrities, including John Travolta, Brad Pitt, Whoopi Goldberg, Patrick Swayze, Michael Bolton, Diana Ross, Patti LaBelle and Melissa Etheridge.

Money raised at the all-star event went to Mrs. Clinton's successful campaign.

The Clintons' attorney, David Kendall, did not return calls for comment.

What struck me about Slick Willie's behavior was the Dianafication of public life. Like the late Princess, SW enjoys tremendous benefits, many at taxpayers' expense, yet feels no obligation to put his emotions behind him. It's all about him...

I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him. …
I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.

Now, does anyone know where we might locate a copy of this finding? And does a presidential finding trump a executive order?

#103 NoSubmission

Isn't that funny? "NewsWeak" and the "House of Stan" are still cracking me up.

#114 leftout

There are many deranged, unhinged America bashers here...and they don't think too highly of the Jooos either. I make it a habit of torturing them. You should give Toronto another try.

Our lunches are absolutely FUN and FUNNY GALORE...a lot of our local lizards lurk-but they are wickedly funny and smart.

Where are you?

#114 leftout

it warms the cockles of my heart

OK, I am running on ZERO sleep, but this strikes me as very funny. I have never heard anyone refer to the cockles of their heart and I have the giggles. Anyway-from my heart cockles to your heart cockles-KEEP PLODDING ON!

(Churchill-Winston, not Ward)

Mikey Moore's freedom fighters in action...
Afghan Women's Rights Activist Slain

Gunmen on a motorbike Monday killed an Afghan women's rights activist who ran an underground school for girls during the Taliban's rule - the latest victim of increasingly brazen militants targeting government officials and schools.

Anger and rage is the dems new reason for existence.

They are still devoid of ideas...but they all have a plan.

Bwa hahahahahahahaha

What does it take to kill a thread around here? Last Night's dead thread is still kicking.

#111 Killgore Trout
Sorry!
I didn't mean to offend.

I actually saw him once, on his campaign train.
I took my mother because no one else would!
He was Laaate!
It was August, so it was Hot!
People were dropping like flies!

#68 svjathi

Re: Senator Allen

Oh goody. Character assisinations of the candidate by the left. I hope they make run ads. They seem to forget that this kind of negative campaigning is what caused the Republican candidate for governor to lose last Fall.

Keep it up lefties. Virginians don't like that kind of smear campaign. All it will do is mean victory for Allen.

I authorized the CIA to get groups together to try to kill him. …
I worked hard to try to kill him. I authorized a finding for the CIA to kill him. We contracted with people to kill him. I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since.

I thought this was a really strange statement from a draft dodger.

#122 ggt

I could get a wav file of Rosie O'Donnel singing killing Broadway show tunes...I'm SURE that would kill the thread...and perhaps make heads explode?

Thanks for the Drudge snipet, Charles.

#72 WriterMom

Greetings form Winnipeg. I will be there in spirit.

Please let us know how it goes..

119 WriterMom

You think YOU have the giggles? I'm still cracking up over BabbaZee's Cinematic offerings! Between that and 'Newsweak' I'm dying over here!

Chris Wallace on now with Hannity.

Pres. Slick disassembles himself on national television finally...or such good fun and times to live and see it happen.

writer mom --

oh NO! I wouldn't wish that on my fellow Lizards.

#128 Buck

Veeenipeg? I have been to Veeenipeg twice. I think there are a number of Winnipeg lizards. I know I have heard from people from Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal and Kingston...it's great.

#130 JammieWearingFool
Listening now :)

#112 Confuzed

The ending of Krauthammer's piece on Slick is what really hits home, for me.

What appalled me then, a feeling that returns as Clinton has gone national revisiting his own presidency, is the smallness of a man who granted equal valence to his own indulgences on the one hand and to the fate of nations on the other. It is the smallness that disturbs. It is that smallness that history will remember.

Somali taliban tightens it's grip...
Demonstrations Turn Violent In Somalia

Fears of regional conflict soared as angry demonstrations against Somalia's radical Islamic militia grew Monday into deadly violence in a southern port city, and the militia for the first time acknowledged getting help from foreign Muslims. (I wonder who?-ed)...

Islamic militiamen wearing white headbands opened fire on several thousand people demonstrating against them in the port of Kismayo, 260 miles southwest of Mogadishu, killing a 13-year-old boy, said resident Abdiqadir Filibin.

Two other children were injured, witnesses said on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals. Sporadic gunfire could also be heard in other parts of the town.

I wonder if this is the positive change CAIR was talking about?

#129 NoSubmission

Nasty BabbaZee sends me her theatrical offerings so that they wait for me first thing in the morning...I barely have a chance to check my 'work' e-mail when I am hysterical because of her.

There is one guy who always looks very pensive and I could have sworn I hear him say YACKZO SHMUTZIK or something like that.

How about the white stuff at the corner of his mouth - that was gross.

frothing?

Wallace just delicately questioned his sanity.

#136 TFK: What's "dush bag?"

#123 J.D.

I actually saw him once, on his campaign train.

Who was he pulling a train on? Who else was involved?

/clintonian humor

#133 WriterMom 9/25/2006 12:39PM PDT
#128 Buck

Veeenipeg? I have been to Veeenipeg twice. I think there are a number of Winnipeg lizards. I know I have heard from people from Ottawa, Calgary, Edmonton, Montreal and Kingston...it's great.

Im in Winnipeg thus the name.

Clintoon's legacy:There is no history that can't be "reinvented"

I think he meant "douche bag"

Heh: tfk smokes him out.

tfk -- i believe it is douche bag. Wouldn't want SW's ephitet to be spelled incorrectly.

#123 J.D.
Ha! No, offense taken. I'm seriously just goofin' around.

#141 Gordon

What's "dush bag?"

How long have you been on this blog?

#67 nosubmission

So you've met Monica Lewinsky? Indeed.

So what kind of interaction here could've caused your sudden loss of respect towards her? Inquiring minds want to know.

Who's the douche bag?

Clinton or Gordon?

Gotta go Lizards!

Have a great afternoon!

Gordon

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#143 pegcity

So, you should start a local chapter of LIZARDS INTERNATIONAL...

WARNING-This thread is going to go downhill. FAST. We have Gordon and DUSHBAGS.

I may be ill.

#151 DS

Is that a trick question?

too bad when the shoe is on the other foot

I still remember the MTV debate (ambush, there - I fixed it myself) between Slick and GHWBush in the 1992 election

every question Bush got was prefaced something like:

Vice President Bush, given your propensity for kicking dogs and raping babies, how many more times will you beat your wife this week ?

and Slick got,
Governor Clinton - given that you have such a steller record of womems empowerment, will you appoint any women in your administration ?

but also, Slick fails to mention his dear speech writer Susan Estrich now works for Fox, as do Greta Van Sustern, Shep Smith, Geraldo, Colmes, Cole, etc...and zero bona fide conservatives work at CNN, NBC, CBS, PBS, NPR, etc., etc., etc.,

tfk, I think you flushed Gordon.

/in the quail-hunting sense of the word

Strange that Clinton, being a shitbird from the great state of Arkansas, doesn't know the difference between a chicken plucker and a pluckin' chicken.

I have no interest in defending Bill Clinton's behavior.

He was still a much better President than either of his Bush bookends - and no amount of TFK-induced spittle and bile will change that in the minds of a MAJORITY of the American people.

#151 DesertSage

Yes.

#155 TotallySirius

I'm just trying to catch up without reading the whole thread.

Chris Wallace is on Hannity radio right now discussing how over the top Clinton was. He was out of control. And in the media room, his handler was yelling at Chris's team demanding that they stop the interview. So they knew Clinton lost control.

Then because they didn't stop the interview, Clinton's people got out front of it by leaking it to the liberal blogs so they could spin it.

Unbelievable.

Clinton wagging his finger is a familiar tactic...he gets red in the face and wags his fickled finger of falsehood when he can't answer the question honestly.

He obviously feels guilt over his failures which resulted in 3000 dead Americans. Rightly so.

#151 Desert Sage

Who's the douche bag?

Clinton or Gordon?

Mr or Mrs ?

#150 funkyfantom

So what kind of interaction here could've caused your sudden loss of respect towards her?

HINT: Jiggle, jiggle...

#159 Gordon

No, I think that's in your mind.

It's great - we've got political 'leaders' who think history can be reinvented every five minutes, and face an enemy who thinks that history ended when they were thrown back from the gates of Vienna - and want to bring us back to that point by hook, crook, and barbarism. Everything from that point til now must be reversed such that Islam will once again be ascendant and everyone else will bow before them or face death.

Nice.

#159 nodroG

He was still a much better President philanderer than either of his Bush bookends

There, that's better!

Plus, he was only ever elected by a plurality, not a majority.

#166 lawhawk

You must read Londanistan...You should see just how far the UK is down the toilet.

#159 Gordon

...and no amount of TFK-induced spittle and bile will change that in the minds of a MAJORITY of the American people.

IIRC...Clinton never got a majority of people to vote for him. Twice!

#150 funkyfantom

Yes I have met Monica Lewinsky. My immediate impression was, 'MY GOD! HE'D SCREW ANYONE!'

#142 Ward Cleaver
Who knows?
He was late!
:D

#148 Killgore Trout
Ya never know!
I'm good at opening my mouth and inserting my foot.
:D

AtlasShrugged (#139),

How about the white stuff at the corner of his mouth - that was gross.

What about those pasty white ankles? Ewww. They should make presidents at least take the same etiquette courses as astronauts.

#159 gordon:

Funny that you'd use the word majority in reference to Clinton.

If that's the case, then how come a majority of Americans couldn't even vote for him in either of the elections that he won - and I'll admit that I voted for the guy to boot. He won a plurality twice. Never did get a majority of the votes. And running the country by poll isn't running the country, it's holding popularity contests.

159 Gordon

since when did slick willie ever get a majority of the vote ?

in fact, in 1992 he got the lowest percentage of the vote EVER

in 1996 he still failed to gain a majority

and that's only the voting public
the percentage of votes to the public at large is far less

not even a nice try...

Oh, boy! It’s Gordo!

Intersting watching Clinton try to physically intimidate the interviewer and immediately spinning conspiracy theories a la a moonbat.

#171 NoSubmission

Could you send me an e-mail? I wanted to ask you something...

Gordon's quoting Barry Goldwater these days.

And he's learned to recognize irony.

Could be worse.

To me, he looked drunk or stoned. Maybe his heart surgery screwed him up, too. One of open-heart surgery's main risks is mini-strokes. Many times, these are undetected.

As much as I detest the man, I hope he's OK.

I am sure that the CLintonista spin machine will be in full force blaming the dreaded NeoCons and the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy for this. It will all come back to Bush... And the media will be complicit in it.

Clinton's biggest fault and failing in life, to me, will always be the fact that he sought calm over confrontation, even when the latter was called for. The fact that he led everyone to believe that because the illusion of calm and peace was the apparent state of affairs, while all the time making deals to allow any simmering troubles to simply be pushed on down the road all the while hoping nothing blows up in your face. In other words a con artist and swindler. Somebody who hopes that by the time you discover his dishonesty he is far away and safely on his way to bilking his next victim. Well in this case it is very hard for a former president to simply fade into the background and doubly hard for this president who so craves the public spotlight and adoration. Yes I despise Clinton because of his lying and I don't mean just about a blue dress.

#159 Love Me Daddy,

Hi Nodrog Charles is busy today, but I'll be your virtual Pa.

Beijing Billy never won a majority of the VOTES of the American people, his "mad poll #s" were because of GOP overreach and his inability to blow his nose without focus gouping.

I can tell you three flat out lies in the interview without trying.

1) The GOP mocked him for being 'obsessed with OBL'.

Lexis/Nexis says that ain't so, no senior GOP official had anything but support for our actions under herr Schlick, even lowly peons myself included.(though I did often comment on peculiar timing..."october surprise" never of course being uttered by donks in the inverse *wink*)

Now admittedly he was aware there was an undercurrent of "wag the dog" and a decided mistrust of his use of ground forces given his heroic assault on Moscow during Vietnam and all...but AT MOST that fear wound up being over a likely dip in his approval ratings such actions would entail...

ie "me, me, me, me, me..."

He keeps acting like Richard Clarke is the be and end all on the issue...if so he may want to read Clarke's book as if anything Clarke is even harsher on Billy's crippling political baggage than am I.

2) OBL and AQ were NOT in Somalia during Blackhawk Down.

Again wrong and he KNEW it is wrong. Our D-boys were aware there was "outside consulting and observation" going on with the local militias. I am not even going to go into it again about how OBL's indictment by the Clinton DoJ had three paragraphs on AQ involvement in Somalia. Fact is OBL had openly and publicly declared war on the US in 1993, 1994, and 1995.

Clinton mentioned terrorism in one sentence in his farewell.

"Obsessed"

3) "I got closer to killing him than anybody has gotten since. And if I were still president, we'd have more than 20,000 troops there trying to kill him," Clinton said, referring to Afghanistan.

Hey Billiam you blanched over putting in sci-fi guys in the hundreds DESPITE attacks by OBL and AQ during your administration that had a toll in the thousands...

Were you President I am certain the MOST we would have gotten in response was another round of "cruise missile surprise" and more private exhortations about "I am not sure we even have anything to charge him with".

In summary Nodrog he only lies on this when he opens his mouth. He has gotten a largely undeserved pass from the MSM and the American people on the issue. If he is not careful he may remind folks that, yes indeed, 96 is more than 8.

I only wish Clinton showed the same zeal with AQ and the Talis that he showed with Vernon Howell and the Gonzalez family.

Now son, GO TO YOUR ROOM!

Writermom, I shouldn't be so hard on your wonderful city. We have more than one hundred million looney liberals down here who apparently think that self-hate, demonization of all things Western, and thinly veiled but virulent anti-semitism are virtues. There are no geographic lines that conincide with the values that separate or join people together.

Besides, I'm feeling better about Canada since Mr. Harper was elected.

You made me doubt my use of "cockles" so I had to look it up. Sure enough, it exists as an expression, albeit a rather archaic one.

I'd like to answer your question about my location with a riddle that is totally politically incorrect in that it assumes all Canadians know or care about hockey.

The area I'm from won the Stanley cup most recently in 1997,1998, and 2002.

If you listened to the whole interview or read the transcript, you'd see there is absolutely nothing 'nuts' about his response, nor his tone. I would also be sick of being smeared by some of being responsible for 9/11, etc, to better cover their own asses. His response was forceful- exactly as it should have been. And to me his words made perfect sense, but I can undertand how you must categorize anyone you don't like as a crazed mad-man, in order to discredit their words. Its amazing how some still have the gall to criticize clinton for not catching Bin Laden, when 5 years later, after 2 wars, hundreds of billions of dollars, and thousands of men lost, and an absolute motivating event to find him (ie. 911) we still don't have him.

It wouldn't have to be a big stroke either. just a few tiny ones and boom you get slurred speech.

What I was thinking. And another symptom of this can be an inability to control your temper. My father-in-law developed this after emergency surgery and life with him got to be difficult for my mother-in-law.

As for this thread going down hill fast, well we ARE talking about President Clinton. Exactly where is it supposed to go? Now here's my downhill contribution.

Never quite got the appeal of that one [cigar insertion].

Me neither. Although I've always wondered if maybe it was a Cuban cigar...

Pls forgive me if this has already been mentioned, but WJC's interview was more of the same - blame everyone else, ala "Vast Right Wing Conspiracy" instead of taking responsibilty for action/inaction.

As Drudge remarks Stephanopoulos wrote in his book that Clinton had days of "purple faced rage" when he was in the White House.

Clinton is driven by his emotions.

#179 WriterMom

OK. Just sent you an email.
:)

Its amazing how some still have the gall to criticize clinton for not catching Bin Laden, when 5 years later, after 2 wars, hundreds of billions of dollars, and thousands of men lost, and an absolute motivating event to find him (ie. 911) we still don't have him.

Um...isn't that the point? That Clinton missed his chance when it would have been easy to get Bin Laden?

James Taranto has a good take on this today. For example:

...in the interview with Wallace, the ex-president seemed unprepared for the question. Probably he is more used to answering questions like these from Larry King:

Now, the purpose of your initiative overall is to make the world a better place, right? . . .

And the four things it covers is to make the world a better place. . . .

Is it a better place? . . .

How's your health? . . .

The greatest thing you almost did was peace in the Middle East. . . .

Want to just briefly discuss some of the initiatives at this conference. We love coming here every year. Poverty alleviation. Possible?

It's another example of how liberal media don't really help liberals. Years of this sort of sycophantic treatment left Clinton unable to answer the sort of tough question that Republican politicians have to face all the time.

#187 leftout

Hezballah-Land, MI?

#192 super ninja ---

And a good liberal's behavior is dictated not by results and actions, just thoughts, feelings and emotions.

Maybe his slurred speech was because his was just so pissed!

We know that both him and his wife have a temper.

#189 Affinity

Your post is further proof that you reside on Mars, whilst we still toil here on Earth.

#168 Ward Cleaver 9/25/2006 12:50PM PDT

Plus, he was only ever elected by a plurality, not a majority.

Which is a very important point. Had it not been for the votes siphoned off by Ross Perot, Bush Sr. and Dole would have probably won their respective elections.

I love the rock music in the background, and of course the Lewinsky interjection. Really useful in debating what he actually says in this interview. When you can't debate, you smear.

#189 Affinity,

Well except for the fact that he is trying to convince you that 96 or 60 is less than 8, and every third word is a lie or spin I'd be inclined to agree.

Beijing Billy was many things, forceful in securing US interests and prestige militarily was not one of them.

I am a Bush man and I have NO problem with Bush getting what blame he is due, but it seems fans of the 'Saviour' Wilhelm un Schlick auf Gropen Das Internen seem to think his portion of the blame equals "zero".

Your post is further proof that you reside on Mars, whilst we still toil here on Earth.

Or maybe she has a cigar fetish too.

#191 JnT

Clinton has always struck me as sort of a petulant child and that Hillary was the serious one. This is before I became a conservative. Now he seems outright predatorial, only restrained by his own perceptions of self image. I have never understood the attraction to this character.

#189 affinity:

Perhaps a reason that we're still five year past 9/11 and still searching for the guy is that Clinton failed to take decisive action when they had the opportunity to capture him - via Sudan, or kill him. That latter option was shot down repeatedly by the risk adverse advisors within the WH, which prompted Clarke to wonder about the sanity of it all.

That OBL would still be on the loose now, five years later is not exactly a surprise. A lone guy, operating in inaccessible regions around the world, where airpower is limited in its application, and ground forces would be hard pressed to operate without a dangerously long supply chain. But, even Bush has said that it isn't only about OBL. It's about the ideology that OBL and his minions and fellow travellers have been trading in. The nihlistic death cult that abhors western thought and anyone who dares think differently than they do.

#189 Moonbat

It would've been a lot easier to get bin Laden when he was walking around in the open than in the caves of Tora Bora.

Clinton and Sandy Burglar just plain blew it.

this interview will be the gift that keeps on giving

Clinton always calling up the name of Richard Clarke as the guru on everything terrorism. He relates to Clarke. Probably because Clarke and Clinton are both angry egotists who lash out when tough questions come their way and answering them honestly would ruin their rep.

I'm not too sure I like the "Juanita-Broderick-in-drag" comment.

#202 sven10077

I am a Bush man

I know what you mean..but this is pretty funny.

#196 WriterMom 9/25/2006 01:06PM PDT

#187 leftout

Hezballah-Land, MI?

You got it. Did you have to resort to an almanac or were you able to do it off the top of your head?
Since, I'm within driving distance, I guess you wouldn't have to be Monk the detective to get it though.

I like how he debunked the Mogadishu/UBL connection, like everyone thinks there was one.

There was no connection. UBL didn't pull off the battle of Mogadishu, he just took it as a lesson.

#193 NoSubmission

OK...got it...one is now en route to you...

Clinton said if he was Prez he'd have more than 20,000 troops in Afghanistan. Well, he WAS Prez for 8 years and he had ZERO troops in Afghanistan.

If Clinton was as vehement and agressive against OBL as he was against Chris Wallace, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

#189, affinity. Still trying to learn how to fly, eh shitbird. You and Icarus.

It's definitely not all about OBL. If Clinton were not so focused on himself, that would've been an excellent response.

Instead, Clinton is acting like is is all about OBL, which is one of the Dems ridiculous talking points.

Ten years ago, around the Arkansas part of the country, people called Clinton white trash. This interview is nothing more than the real him, the man under that thin veneer. He seems to be a classic bully. Classic bully crowds and menaces anyone he thinks he can get away with crowding, but stays way way far away from guys who can rearrange his headlights. Chris Wallace got the in your face, "I'm gonna crawl all over you" attack and instead of standing up and rolling up his sleeves, and responding, "You want a piece of me? Huh?", Chris, being a metro-reporter type cowered and shrank back. At least he didn't run around his chair and put it between them, so he gets some points for that, but maybe he was too stunned to even move.
Maybe this is why Clinton stunk at using the military. Bullies usually make all the aggressive noises, but when the fight arrives, they split. They are ultimately cowards. They don't associate with solid men, they hang around people, men and women they can dominate.
Can we call this an "Assault?" The Chris Wallace "Assault" rather than "interview?"
Advice to Chris: Go down to the gym and learn some boxing - not the stupid kick-boxing for ladies - the real thing so you can take some hits - and give them out.

Besides, Clinton thinks worldwide terrorism warrants a police action, not a military solution.

#201 Affinity: Didn't you mean Lewinsky injection?

Hard to believe the former President didn't just take a deep breath, mentally count to ten while looking pensive and come up with a calm answer.
Chris Wallace either punched his buttons big-time, or Mr. Clinton should win an Academy Award for the performance. Time will tell.

-S-

#189 Affinity

Clinton DID NOT get Bin Laden when Bin Laden was out in the open. That's why he gets critisized.

After 9/11, Bin Laden went into hiding. It's a little harder to get someone that's trying to hide from you.

Yet you give Clinton a pass for not getting Bin Laden, as Clinton says "I failed", yet you chastize Bush for failing even though it was a hundred times harder to find him after he went into hiding.

And after Clinton's anger meltdown, I've found a new respect for president Bush. All the critisism heeped upon Bush on a daily basis, he has never lost his temper like Clinton did! It tells me a lot about both Clinton's and Bush's character...and I like the later's a lot better.

# 211,

Bush is often the subjectline of double entendres, but Clinton lived them...

*wink*

Wanumba-

Chris Wallace said he was so taken aback by Clinton's over the top reaction, that he was stunned at first. I think he held his own under the assault. It's not like he could take a pop at Clinton...the guy still has a SS detail protecting him.

Go down to the gym and learn some boxing - not the stupid kick-boxing for ladies - the real thing so you can take some hits - and give them out.

Okay, I was with you 100% right up to this point. I mean it was a really really good analysis of Clinton but then you blew at the end. My darling daughter used to use kickboxing as training for boxing and believe me, she came home bruised more than once. And she can dish out a good bruising as well as any man, and she has done it at need, inlcudsing breaking the nose on someone who tried to pull a Clinton on her. (The cigar type of trick.)

Regular boxing is sissy-boy stuff when you're already a good kick boxer.

Superninja
DO you suppose that is because as a police action, law enforcement is in charge, not him? If it was military, he had to make the strategic decisions as Commander-in-Chief and he didn't know what to do and he didn't want to be blamed for any screw up. So, dodge it and toss it to the cops.

My sister's pastor was spiritual counsel to Clinton during his first term. From what she was able to gather, this was a man with deep feelings of inferiority, self-blame, and shame. He always needed to prove he was the most popular, the most intelligiant man in the room. He needed people to love him. He had almost a sickness about it. I think it may be his fatal flaw.

And why does he like trashy women? It's what he feels he deserves.

#226 SiC,

exactly and as the last President to get such protection for life after office now, I suspect that he takes a certain pride in knowing well trained hard men "have his back".

Clinton is and has always been a classic bully.

#223 Dr. Shalit

Clinton is frightened by his being irrelevant. He can't imagine the Democratic Party moving beyond him.

I would not be surprised if he becomes more and more outrageous a la Dean.

Here are some questions I would Mssr Clinton if given the chance.
1) Why did I have to assign soldiers to act as lifeguards at a beach in Somalia while we were supposedly hunting down the warlord Adid?

2) Why did one of the approved tactics in flushing out the "insurgents" involve driving down jungle trails in HMMV's, certainly not the uparmored ones they have nowadays, in the hopes of triggering an ambush so that a quick reaction force could then swoop in and hopefully engage the ambushers?

3) Even though your Sec of Defense was against the idea of sending heavy armored vehicles to the country why didn't you not overrule him?

4) Why were the Rangers involved in the famous "Blackhawk Down" incident left to rely on Indian forces under the UN Blue helmets for support?

I have more but I guess having a little too much personal experience with his foreign policy and military prowess doesn't leave me such an impartial opinion.

#204 superninja -

My take on their relationship is more of a business partnership than a marriage.

From what she was able to gather,

Okay, I am no Clinton fan but, honestly, she shouldn't have been able to "gather" anything from his spiritual advisor and she shouldn't really be repeating anything she did gather.

#226 Stuck-in-CA:

It's not like he could take a pop at Clinton...the guy still has a SS detail protecting him.

And given what we know about how the Secret Service feels about the Clintons, it's a testament to their professionalism.

Clinton blew it big time. Too busy on the golf course or getting his knob polished by an intern to handle little things like "Protecting America". How pathetic! Even sends Sandy Burgler to the national archives to steal and destroy evidence of his ineptitude and complacency. His whole 8 years were about Bill, every day afterwards is about Bill.

Hey Bill, we don't care about you. Your legacy is in stone baby. You are the Blow Job President who FAILED 3,000 Americans on 9/11 and many more during your 8 year long party.

Pathetic, just pathetic, fucking hillbilly lying sack of shit.

Oh, BTW, it was entertaining to watch you squirm. The internet has immortalized you Billy.

#223 Dr. S

Mr. Clinton should win an Academy Award for the performance.

LOL. He was an TV actor once. (-:

Remember.

Can anyone out here get the next thread, German Dhimitude Watch to load? I keep getting "page not found"

#227 Judith

Regular boxing is sissy-boy stuff when you're already a good kick boxer.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there ain't a "kick boxer" on the planet that would last much more than 30 seconds in the ring with any professional fighter in the top world rankings, IMO.

#189 Affinity

I could care less about "blaming" Clinton for not getting binLaden. Anybody that has done even light research on the topic can see he did little and he did it for the sole purpose of saving his stupid, never-to-succeed middle east peace process (which was nothing more than screwing Israel out of land, and even that wasn't enough to the Jew-haters of the middle east).

The bigger point out of this interview was Clinton blaming everybody else while covering his own butt. Let's see, he blamed the FBI, the CIA, the "rightwingers", and "neocons" for his failures. Well, at least he "tried."

It's people like you, who hold this man up to be the the greatest president of all time, your savior, that are most laughable. Ask anybody here about Bush, and you'll get 10 criticisms. Ask anybody like you about Clinton, and we'll get nothing but glowing rememberances of the time our heads were in the sand.

Please, my friend, get off your knees and get your head out of the sand. Clinton sucked balls on terrorism, deal with it. Our enemy wants to kill YOU as much as they want to kill ME and it has nothing to do with who you like (clinton or bush) or who you hate (clinton or bush). It has to do with the fact that I (and, you maybe) are not muslim. Point blank. They want you dead because you don't bow to the alter of a false prophet and his insane lies.

Our enemies are the Islamic fanatics and the states that support them. With all the support the left gives them, the death squad will soon visit us again.

Blood will be on your hands. Keep typing your love of a liar, and your hatred of Bush. Meanwhile, Islamic Nazis plot and plan on how to kill both of us.

You and your lib friends need to wake up, my friend.

Please, I ask in all sincerity, can you all wake up?

#228 wanumba

Clinton always is trying to pass the buck. It's also part of the Left's multi-culti view that they have to cooperate with nation states and not be aggressive imperialists and they have an inherent dislike of authority and judgement.

To them military = imperialism, judging other cultures, unless you are protecting minorities from whites.

Clinton is not into repercussions for personal behavior because man's evil is due to outside social factors (that can be influenced by good policy) and not something within him.

#229 mama winger

It's not that he thinks he only deserves trashy women, in my opinion.

The real reason is more simple, yet perhaps vulgar.

They put out.

PLEASE disregard my # 238. Thanks.

Oh, Judith.
You get the point. Trying to make a man out of Chris Wallace. Chuckle and nod, don't worry about your daughter, sounds like she's got more sense than Chris Wallace had about going into a room with a guy like CLinton in the first place.

#226 SUper Ninja
Maybe, but admit it, it would have been sweet to see it all on tape. But, guaranteed, if Chris had jumped up, all hot and fired up when Clinton got in his face, Clinton would have backed off in a nanosecond.

#229 Mama WInger
One thing to remember about many Trashy women - they are usually easy targets because they don't have solid families who will defend them. An aggressive guy is going to avoid the girls whose parents keep an eye on them. Too much trouble, too much risk. They cruise, looking for the girls who are at loose ends. This keeps to the pattern.

Bill, and his family, has always reminded me of Faulkner's ultimate white trash family, The Snopeses. They try to pull off being aristocratic but their background just keeps getting in the way.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there ain't a "kick boxer" on the planet that would last much more than 30 seconds in the ring with any professional fighter in the top world rankings, IMO.

Drop a note when someone organises that match. We can place bets on it. It would be very interesting.

#234 Judith

I see what you are saying. It's hard to explain. The pastor would spend some weekdays in Washington, something would be in the news, he would zero in on parallels in his talks within my sister's Bible Study group. Nothing overt, but my sister is really good at putting two and two together. Also, since this was quite the conservative church, the pastor would get a lot of comments against Clinton, understandably. He would respond to those comments with spiritual admonitions. No names or identifiable events were disclosed, I can assure you :)

#244 Jnt

That is my impression as well. I wondered for about 2 seconds if Hillary would leave him, but then her political future would not be locked up.

#162 Stuck in CA: He's not capable of feeling guilt or shame. Everything is someone else's fault, usually the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy^tm. I honestly think he may be a high-functioning sociopath.

235- IllTempered

And given what we know about how the Secret Service feels about the Clintons, it's a testament to their professionalism.

And how the SS feel about the Clintons tells me everything I need to know about the Clintons.

realwest,

It's working for me, but had a couple of hiccups a few minutes ago.

It's been speculated many times that Clinton suffers "pump head," i.e., cognitive damage as a result of being put on a heart lung machine during coronary bypass surgery.

1992 Pres. Election

Clinton 43%
Bush 37.4%
Perot 18.9%

1996 Pres. Election

Clinton 49%
Dole 41%
Perot 8%

Gordon, forgive me for being redundant, but neither one of Clinton's victories was by a majority. However:

2004 Pres. Election

Bush 51%
Kerry 48%

That would be a majority.

I noticed Clinton's repeated reference to "Blackhawk Down" instead of a more official refernce to the events in Somalia. "Blackhawk Down" was a book/movie.

It's like he wants credit for doing everything right, but he did nothing but watch the the movie. And his recollection of the movie is wrong.

OT: This is quote from Osama Bin Ladin's declaration of war on the USA on February 23, 1998:

and peace be upon our Prophet, Muhammad Bin-'Abdallah, who said: I have been sent with the sword between my hands to ensure that no one but God is worshipped, God who put my livelihood under the shadow of my spear and who inflicts humiliation and scorn on those who disobey my orders.

I guess the Pope was wrong. Islam is never spread by the sword.

#168 Ward: Well, at least he got a plurality.

"I I I ME ME ME ME BAD RIGHT WINGERS, RIGHT WING CONSPRIACY! blah blah blah..."

Same old Clinton song (doesn't matter which one)

Excerpts from the purple-face rage are going to look terrific in political attack ads:).

#37 WrathofG-d

Bill makes a GREAT point though...G.W. Bush NEVER gets asked "pointed questions" by the media...he is ALLLWAYS getting a pass from the press...

I suppose all those “What about WMD’s George?
Just where the heck are they?" questions don’t count

#174 lawhawk: Hate to disabuse you, but our current administration runs things by the poll numbers too.

Or are you going to try to deny that?

#244 wanumba

I think you confused me for Stuck-in-CA on #226.

You are right in your response to Mama Winger. Clinton is definitely a sexual predator. It should be obvious by now whether or not he followed through, the pattern remains the same.

An aggressive guy is going to avoid the girls whose parents keep an eye on them.

Enrolling your daughter in kick boxing also helps and tutoring her about charming creeps who use power to take advantage of vulnerable young women works too. In fact, it helps more IMHO because no parent can be everywhere.

#175 Adrenalyn: So I see you've dredged up the old "counting those who don't vote, he wasn't even supported by a quarter of the people!" argument.

I've heard that one a lot ...

from by liberal friends in the 1980's concerning Ronald Reagan.

You don't vote, you don't count. Pure and simple.

FWIW, I don't believe it was an act. Not with his chewing out his staff after the interview. That would be a stretch even for him.

And why is Clinton bringing up the ghost of Richard Clarke as the expert on how to handle terrorism? Isn't HE the architect of the failed Somalia fiasco too?

Two losers.

BTW, to no one in particular, because this is starting pop up like mushrooms - see how the week unfolds as the Dems try to spin this. (point in italics below)
I made my comments about Clinton being known as white trash around the South, ten years ago to make a point. Not buying the medical surgery excuses, to hint that maybe he wasn't like this before. He was. The press helped hide it.

#181 TFK: I'll be looking for you in the parking lot of "Country Fried Acropolis" in Fort Worth on Saturday night again.

You'll be the two feet I see sticking out from under your 1984 El Camino, quivering with fear.

253

If it were not for Perot, we'd all be saying: "Clinton, who?"

Is this the turkey shoot thread?

#259 Gordon

I know you didn't address me, but this really took me aback:

Hate to disabuse you, but our current administration runs things by the poll numbers too.

I disgree on occasion with the currrent administration, but one thing that has never crossed my mind, is this. Can you elaborate please?

#252 wordwarp

So how do you get pre bypass pump head? Because Clinton is reiterating themes he has previously touched on.

#253 schlagerman

You forgot the 1988 election:

Bush 53%
Dukakis 45%

That was also a majority.

#254 ProUSA

I noticed Clinton's repeated reference to "Blackhawk Down" instead of a more official refernce to the events in Somalia. "Blackhawk Down" was a book/movie.

The events in Somalia are generally refered too as "Blackhawk down".
The movie took it's title from the operation.

162 Stuck-in-CA 9/25/2006 12:47PM PDT

I must disagree with your last comment. I do not think Clinton feels any guilt over his lack of performance. He is mad that his legacy is not as planned.

The best definition of the Clintons I ever heard was that they lack the capacity for shame. Being bold liars goes along with that too.

#255 Love Me Daddy,

Son, a pluarility in politics is sort of like when you won the 40 yard dash in the Special Olympics by "default" because the other racers had one leg, and a wheelchair respectively...

and son you won by BARELY a nose.

Get over it, H. Ross Perot decided his vendetta trumped the will of the right-wing and his snakeoil sales worked well enough to get your blue-eyed Marxist boy in twice.

Revel in that plurality as the only way Clinton would ever had gotten a majority was having 90,000 FBI files in his room instead of 900 "by mistake".

Now go clean your room,
sven

Dick Morris has detailed how the Clinton decision making process goes. Clinton would have Morris do some quick polling, offering different scenerios to the population. He would report back to Clinton and that's how he made many of his decisions.

Bush can pandor too, but nothing like that.

OBL wasn't a big deal to the American population during the 1990's, so why should Clinton go after him big time. Unless good leadership is a reason.

mama-winger, no you don't get it. My point is that the pastor's behaviour is unethical and sharing that is just plain gossip.

I got work to get back to.

#265 wanumba

I know someone who's dad was a cardiologist, and she says that they believe that heart surgery does change people, but always in the other direction. They always become mellower and more introspective.

Clinton is just keeping up the Joneses. Or Deanses and Goreses in this case.

Arianna Huffington said that she admires his "passion". I wonder what a full-throated YARRRGGGHHH! from Dean did for her?

#260 Superninja
Oops and Thanks!

#253 Schlagerman: Conveniently left out 2000, I see ...

#259 Gordon

...Hate to disabuse you, but our current administration runs things by the poll numbers too.

Or are you going to try to deny that?

If this administration ran things by poll numbers, we would have been out of Iraq two years ago!

So, yes...I'm going to deny it!

I know someone who's dad was a cardiologist, and she says that they believe that heart surgery does change people, but always in the other direction. They always become mellower and more introspective.

I've heard that too. But most of my relatives just keel over from the heart problems once they reach that point.