My poor mom is a Yellow-Dog Democrat, and she's at a loss.

Islamic Beasts riding Gramscian Whores on the never ending Caliphate Carousel.

Woo HOO!

the savage and devilish performance of the US President George W Bush

Good heavens! They're also irony impaired. Look in the mirror, folks!

OT
Lynn Cheney bitch slaps Wolf Blitzer.
[Link: www.broadcastingcable.com...]

Maybe he can be the keynote speaker for the Dems in 08.

“To shrink the crisis, the US administration will certainly try to project its problems on others in the coming days, but they must know that allegations about the intervention of Iran and Syria in Iraq’s domestic affairs may not solve their problems.”

Strangely enough, I do agree with the "interim Friday Prayers Leader" on the latter point. Allegations won't solve the problem. We need to do something about "intervention" of Iran and Syria in Iraq.

And what the hell is an "interim Friday Prayers Leader"? Did the full time Friday Prayers Leader get sacked?

“To shrink the crisis, the US administration will certainly try to project its problems on others in the coming days, but they must know that allegations about the intervention of Iran and Syria in Iraq’s domestic affairs may not solve their problems.”

You mean you guys are not involved?

O.K. Sayed, I believe you.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

"The cleric stressed that the only move helping the US administration to escape its present crisis is unconditional withdrawal from Iraq."

He would.

Nancy Pelosi is fitting the drapes and her burka.

Good Dhimmicrats

Jim Webb could get some good ideas for his next book from the Aussie imam of recent acclaim.

OT

O'Reilly was on Letterman last night. Bill asked him if he wanted us to win in Iraq. Letterman wouldnt answer yes. But yet they get offended if we question their patriotism. Whats up with that?

#4 pat

"Later in the newscast, Lou Dobbs defended the "Broken Borders" series, saying that with all due respect, the government was broken in many respects and that he had been critical of Republicans and Democrats. He called Cheney's criticisms "power bridling at truth." "
 

This is what the Left does not get -ever:
Truth is Power.

Is king Fahd going to be the new head of state if the Dhimmicrats win?

savage and devilish performance

They've never been to a Ramstein show.

I "belong" to nothing,
the closest thing I have ever come
to being a member of a group is
"LGF poster".

I have little faith in either "party" and even less faith in politicians as individuals in general.

But I will tell you this:

Go vote. Just pull all the R levers.

The Republicans have many many issues
but the democrats will facilitate the caliphate a whole lot faster.

Vote R, no matter how much it crinkles yer nostrils.

It gives us more time.

And defend your second ammendment rights
because if the day ever comes
when they knock on your door
to take your guns away,
it's over.

/Sermon finoot.

#16 BabbaZee 10/28/2006 10:04AM PDT
I "belong" to nothing,
the closest thing I have ever come
to being a member of a group is
"LGF poster".

I have little faith in either "party" and even less faith in politicians as individuals in general.

But I will tell you this:

Go vote. Just pull all the R levers.

The Republicans have many many issues
but the democrats will facilitate the caliphate a whole lot faster.

Vote R, no matter how much it crinkles yer nostrils.

It gives us more time.

And defend your second ammendment rights
because if the day ever comes
when they knock on your door
to take your guns away,
it's over.

/Sermon finoot.

Republicans do give us more time and hopefully they will finally get it. The Dems never will, not with their "leadership" as it is.

OT Iran just nuked Cleveland

Iran Nuke Destroys Cleveland, Nobody Cares
By Propaganda Department
8/26/2005, 11:30 pm

Kofi Annan: "UN inspectors are confident that Iran is up to a decade away from incinerating another American city."
---
With the ruins of Cleveland still smoldering after a surprise nuclear attack launched by Iranian Ayatollahs last week, the world's attention is refreshingly focused on more urgent matters as most people appear to be concerned with other things.

"Like, I didn't even know where Cleveland was?" says a 23-year old shopper at the King of Prussia Mall outside Philadelphia. "I mean, like, this so totally doesn't affect me?"

In Berkeley CA, naked transgender protesters are calling public attention to the pressing issue of a complete ban on all commerce. "We're also trying to free Mumia," says one of them, pointing out that his or her protest sign was constructed "without the poison of capitalist commerce."


[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

#16 BabbaZee

Same here. In my history I've only voted R on some occasions, for some positions, when the right candidate was involved.

Next Tuesday, it will be all down the R column. The democrats simply can't be trusted with power during wartime.

18 Elric66
Those guys started out as the "Communists for Kerry"

They are brilliantly funny.

#20 BabbaZee 10/28/2006 10:12AM PDT
18 Elric66
Those guys started out as the "Communists for Kerry"

They are brilliantly funny.

They should do something along the lines of South Park. Their sense of humor kills me.

Didn't Al-Queda declare war on the U.S. during the Clinton administration?- Democrat.

Iran declared war on the U.S. during the Carter administration- Democrat.

They like Democrat administrations...it's easier to declare war on them.

A discussion regarding Babbazees points. If not atready bookmarked, add The American Thinker.
[Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

#19 Noam Sayin' 10/28/2006 10:11AM PDT
#16 BabbaZee

Same here. In my history I've only voted R on some occasions, for some positions, when the right candidate was involved.

Next Tuesday, it will be all down the R column. The democrats simply can't be trusted with power during wartime.

The Democratic party died with JFK.

#19 Noam Sayin'

First time I ever voted I voted for Reagan.

Then I did not vote again till after 9/11.
I was very apolitical.
And ignorant on many issues.

9/11 changed everything for me and millions like me.

/I DID almost vote for Ross Perot based only on him saying "Ya Can't Legislate behavior!" and then, I decided he was a complete maniac, LOL!

The sign of things to come if Democrats win in November-

Detroit church to be reborn as a mosque

As a child, Mary Ann Rice considered Our Lady Help of Christians Church a second home.

A daughter of Polish immigrants, she attended its elementary school and worshipped there in Masses said in her native tongue.

After 83 years, the church will celebrate its final Mass on Sunday and become the first church in the Archdiocese of Detroit sold to a mosque. It will cater to a new crop of immigrants -- from Bangladesh, primarily.

"It's going to hurt," said Rice, 68. "There are a lot of memories there. But you've got to go with the times."

There is no greater joy to a muslim than to take over a dhimmi's church or temple as a sign of dominance.

#22 DesertSage

1998, IIRC - a fatwa from Bin Laden.

Hey, were you in that pic you sent me last night? I figured you were the one sitting on your butt next to the cooler. ;)

Ah, but the $64,000 question is what will they all say when the GOP retains control of Congress? Hmmm... the look on the collective face of the left and our enemies should be priceless, but I know that they'll immediately talk of conspiracies that include voter fraud and Diebold.

BBC Adopts Sharia Policies, Stones Gay Staff
By Propaganda Department
10/23/2006, 3:39 pm

The BBC has recently come out of the closet, admitting that its executives, reporters, analysts, directors, and even cleaning ladies, who are mostly young, urban, trendy, Left-leaning homosexuals, have been found guilty of mistreating the station's Muslim minority by virtue of being insensitive to their anti-gay cultural sentiments. A leaked transcript of a secret 'accountability summit' called by BBC chairman reveals that the BBC, while promoting sexual and ethnic diversity, has neglected to fully comply with the new multicultural order. These new standards prohibit anything that may be viewed as offensive to Muslims or the Koran, including engaging in homosexual acts or admitting homosexuality.

The rest
[Link: www.thepeoplescube.com...]

Well, we all knew it was coming. :-)

#27 Noam Sayin'

That was my son...the lazy bastard..:')

I was taking the picture. Grapefruit tree!

OT:Dreaming of a burkaless Eurabia
German politicians decry sharp reaction to lawmaker's comment on head scarves

The Tagesspiegel daily reported that Ekin Deligoz, of the center-left Greens, had received a death threat following her comments and said she was under police protection.

Two weeks ago, Deligoz was quoted in the Bild am Sonntag newspaper as arguing that that "the head scarf is a symbol of women's oppression."

"I appeal to Muslim women: arrive in the present day, arrive in Germany — you live here, so take off the head scarf," she added. "Show that you have the same civil and human rights as men."

The Greens' co-leader in parliament, Renate Kuenast, wrote in a letter to Turkey's ambassador in Berlin that Deligoz had been "insulted in writing, by telephone and also in person ... overwhelmingly by Turkish men."

#28 lawhawk 10/28/2006 10:19AM PDT
Ah, but the $64,000 question is what will they all say when the GOP retains control of Congress? Hmmm... the look on the collective face of the left and our enemies should be priceless, but I know that they'll immediately talk of conspiracies that include voter fraud and Diebold.

I hope you are right. All I can do is vote and convince others of my political leaning to vote as well and hope for the best.

College Removes Cross from Chapel

The nation's second oldest college is removing the cross from its historic chapel.

Wren Chapel sits on the campus of William and Mary in Virginia.

According to worldnetdaily.com, the cross was removed to ensure the space is seen as non-denominational.

The website reports that the cross will be returned to the altar for anyone who wants to use it for services, private prayer and events.

William and Mary was founded in the late 1600's and was associated with the Anglican Church.

Maybe they received a multi-million dollar donation from an Arab sheik.

#25 BabbaZee

First time I voted, it was for... um... whoever ran against Reagan in '84. Voted D in '88, and again in '92. Then I stopped voting - I figured it only encouraged them.

Went radical in 2000 and voted Nader (yes, I've already admitted that here - go ahead, take your shots).

Then, like you, 9-11 changed everything. We're not playing around anymore.

And after substantial reading of numerous authors and essays, I'm starting to believe the bulk of our problems world-wide are the result of liberal policy.

#33 Americain 10/28/2006 10:22AM PDT
College Removes Cross from Chapel

The nation's second oldest college is removing the cross from its historic chapel.

Wren Chapel sits on the campus of William and Mary in Virginia.

According to worldnetdaily.com, the cross was removed to ensure the space is seen as non-denominational.

The website reports that the cross will be returned to the altar for anyone who wants to use it for services, private prayer and events.

William and Mary was founded in the late 1600's and was associated with the Anglican Church.

Maybe they received a multi-million dollar donation from an Arab sheik.

Who cares if its demominational, its a private college, isnt it? Just another example of the left opening the doors for Sharia law.

#30 DesertSage,

The grapefruit doesn't fall far from the tree, eh?

He's a handsome lad. I bet he takes after his mother. Hah!

#34 Noam Sayin' 10/28/2006 10:23AM PDT
#25 BabbaZee

First time I voted, it was for... um... whoever ran against Reagan in '84. Voted D in '88, and again in '92. Then I stopped voting - I figured it only encouraged them.

Went radical in 2000 and voted Nader (yes, I've already admitted that here - go ahead, take your shots).

Then, like you, 9-11 changed everything. We're not playing around anymore.

And after substantial reading of numerous authors and essays, I'm starting to believe the bulk of our problems world-wide are the result of liberal policy.

I heard someone say that if you are young and a conservative, you have no heart and if you are old and liberal, you have no brains.

Just kidding, Sage.

Well, lizards. It's a beautiful day in Minnesota. Time to get some of it on me.

#35 Elric66

Just another example of the left opening the doors for Sharia law.

Exactly. The left wants to make sure that we all forget our roots and bow down to the rule of "Thou shall not offend anyone".

The signs are everywhere. From rewriting our history books to saying that Islam is equal to Judeo-Christian beliefs.

#34 Noam Sayin'

My very first realization of the rabid liberal fascist mindset came when I voted for Reagan.

I lost 99% of my friends for "admitting" it, which at the time, being as socially and politically retarded as I was, it never struck me as anything terrible that I would loose friends over. Therefore I didn't hide it, or my admiration for Pope JPII, and this made me very, very unpopular, LOL!

I realized then that I had been indoctrinated, that they all spoke in a language of deception that did not agree with my core value system, and that those so-called smart politically minded people in my world were all walking around blindly repeating pamphlet blurbs given to them by their professors and their friends. And those blurbs IMO reeked of intolerance, self aggrandizement, victim mentality and I was sure it would lead to facism. I was never religious but I also did not approve of their vicious disdain for those who were.

Anyway that was the first awakening.
I recognized there was a language of deception and that I would refuse to speak it. Not being able to go to college helped me there immensely.

I studied world history, philosophy., literature, anthropology and religion on my own after that and never stopped. I wanted to draw the direct line form their so-called thinking to the source. I wanted to know why the pamphlet takers took the pamphlet and who the pamphleteers were.

No one was gonna tell me what to think,
and thank GOD I had that rebellious nature.

Thinking for yourself is the real radicalism.

And very, very rare.

WARNING
Graphic tale of a man named Khalid, religion not specified, who took scissors to his 2 year old daughters clitoris. Practice becoming common in America. Reporter is apparently unfamiliar with the 'religion' that advocates this practice or feels we are unable to deal with such information. Khalid? Now why does that name jump out and remind me of MUSLIMS.

[Link: insider.washingtontimes.com...]

OT: i'm not familiar with Bangladeshi politics. anybody here know what the death and rioting in Bangladesh will lead to?

Actually, W&M is a public college. I deplore the putting away of the cross because the building is a chapel, but it's proabal PC rather than islam pushing for it.

#39 Americain 10/28/2006 10:33AM PDT
#35 Elric66

Just another example of the left opening the doors for Sharia law.

Exactly. The left wants to make sure that we all forget our roots and bow down to the rule of "Thou shall not offend anyone".

The signs are everywhere. From rewriting our history books to saying that Islam is equal to Judeo-Christian beliefs.

Funny how secularists and atheists can tell religious Christians that Islam is equal.

I just recommended this site and jihadwatch to a woman in TN who is voting for Ford. I hope she listens.

#35 Elric66

Who cares if its demominational, its a private college, isnt it?

W&M is a public college.

#43 goddessoftheclassroom 10/28/2006 10:39AM PDT
Actually, W&M is a public college. I deplore the putting away of the cross because the building is a chapel, but it's proabal PC rather than islam pushing for it.

Is there a difference really?

Then I went to one of their halloween parties in a painted zombie face wearing a slip with the word Freudian painted all over it in garish bloody red and carrying a copy of Das Kapital.

People said, " what are you?" and I said
"I am a Freudian Marxist Zombie, I want to fit in. Pass the bone."

HAHAHHAHA!

/last party of theirs I was invited to, LOL!

See yez later.

VOTE R!

Didn't Al Qaeda/dems do this in the 2004 presidential election?

I know some of you really don't like You-Tube, but maybe we can use it to advance our cause instead of theirs.

PLEASE take time to watch this 2 minute video of Ronald Reagan - A Time for Choosing.

The words he speaks are the words we need to hear today. Please listen

Ronnie -we miss ya.

#46 blues fan 10/28/2006 10:44AM PDT

#35 Elric66

Who cares if its demominational, its a private college, isnt it?

W&M is a public college.

But I always thought crosses belonged on the top of chapels. Im old fashion that way.

Steely Dan oWilliam and Mary

When I heard about the whole affair
I said oh no
William and mary wont do

Well I did not think the girl
Could be so cruel
And Im never going back
To my old school

[Link: www.lyricsfreak.com...]

Couldn't resist.

Oh, I agree that a chapel should be able to display a cross--most are blessed in a commissioning ceremony.

Especially since attendance at a chapel service is not mandatory.

.

unconditional withdrawal from Iraq

I KNOW YOU !
YOU ARE THE AYATOLLAH MURTHAINI !

Pamela
Yes. And remember Carl Rove was accussed of putting AQ up to it. LOL

OT
Defisking required.
The LLL will be all over this.

In Saturday's Independent Fisk investigates the "Mystery of Israel's Secret Uranium Bomb," alleging Israeli use of uranium in recent Lebanon war.

From the accompanying Chris Bellamy article it seems the Israelis used depleted uranium, although the percent of U-235 is minimally higher than that found in natural uranium. This is based on a single small sample which could be contaminated. (Doesn't say who conducted the test but I'm sure we could trust the Lebanese...why would they lie?)

The sample yields ~0.9% U-235 (compared to 0.25% U235 for DU and 0.7% for naturally occurring uranium).

Bellamy for some reason concludes the sample "is clearly enriched" although if you continue to read you come to this:

Spent nuclear fuel - after the power has been generated - typically contains 2.5 per cent U-235, but it can be as low as 1.5 per cent - close to the Khiam sample level. So the uranium in the Khiam projectile could just have been spent nuclear fuel.

So despite the fact that the uranium content is not significantly elevated over naturally occurring uranium, and the sample might be contaminated (Bellamy assumes this would result in a falsely low value but this is not necessarily the case), or might actually be within normal values for DU, the Independent naturally sensationalizes the whole thing. The conclusion is that Israel and the US have something to answer for. They demand it. Heads must roll.

Unbelievable.

If there is a lizardoid with better understanding of DU and nuclear processes, your input would be helpful.

In case you haven't seen it, Lynne Cheney's slapdown of wolf blitzer and cnn:

Also did you all see that bin laden expert on FoxNews a few minutes ago?

OT...But you all have to see this! It's priceless...Warning: contains Billary!
[Link: www.bluemountain.com...]

This was on Channel 4 News yesterday. It's about the Islamists running Mogadishu. Eyewitnesses tell their stories.

Red Ken has hosted some Muslim Eid celebration in Trafalgar Square today. I can't find any links yet.

58 gringo

great one. she sure scares the hell outta me.

"He pointed to the heavy casualties sustained by the US army in Iraq as a further factor deteriorating the Republicans’ stand on the political scene"

As far as a WAR goes, our casualties are extremly light. But thanks to a total lack of real history being taught in our public schools, not too many people realize this. We are becoming a nation of idiots.

As soon as my son is old enough, I am home schooling him in history and civics. No way will I trust the public school system to tell him the truth!

#56 transient

The LLL will be all over this.

They already are...
Robert Fisk: Mystery of Israel's secret uranium bomb

So apparently our government, in league with the Israeli government, is trying out new mysterious weapons on civilian populations which may not only be illegal, but which may permanently pollute our air, water, and soil with radioactivity. And who is holding them accountable?

Nobody.

And "they hate us for our freedoms". Right ...

of course the voice of reason is silenced at Dkos..
Troll Rating Defenders of Israel

Fox News Channel is about to do a report on whether or not islam wants to take over the world and a documentary that says it does.

I assume they're talking about Obsession.

On the topic of deployments in Iraq: Daniel Pipes suggests that coalition forces be relocated from inhabited areas of Iraq and redeployed to the desert areas. That would serve basic US interests, according to Pipes.
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

#33 Americain

I guess the current Anglican Church (in the UK anyway) is associated with Islam.

#62 Killgore Trout.

:: sigh ::

I can't read their garbage. Bad for my blood pressure.

What's happened in Iraq has changed US policy in the Middle East for the near future, I believe.

A new Paradigm I think will come in to effect.

The days of nation building in the Middle East are over and done with. And probably a good thing.

The days of nation bombing in the Middle East and the Horn of Africa are up at bat,
waiting to see who gets whacked next. Likely Iran, before they complicate matters, by becoming a nuclear power.

As I always say, both Nature and Geo-Politics abhor a vacuum - if the US removes itself as a presence in the Middle East, the Iranians will impart themselves in to a greater role.

So, Iran is going to have to be dealt with, but not by nation building, but nation bombing.

Think of the advantages to nation bombing. Less money, less casualties to American troops, forces are freed up for conflicts in the Pacific, short term skirmishes remove the liberal media from swaying public opinion, and American technology is greatly suited for these type of campaigns.

And that's the thing Iraq has taught us.
With the scaled down American Military, building nations, especially Islamic ones that
force you to deal with internecine or sectarian conflicts, cause a great drain on resources.

Especially Iraq, one of the big big issues with Iraq is that the pre-war infrastructure
was a disaster. I mean Iraq had no mail service; roads, hopitals, health care, sanitation, sewerage, were just terrible.

Nation Building when you are faced with such Herculean tasks and have both a Media and a considerable number of Americans in opposition, is just a nightmare.

And the truth is, we just don't have a large enough military at the present time to govern/secure these countries.

The military, because the US enjoys such a technological advantage over everyoe else is fine to destroy other country's armies, but there's simply not enough of them to secure these nations afterwards, especially in Iraq, with their Army -- as a possible stabilizing force -- being dissolved.

And you have to be honest about this. It does no benefit to the US to overthrow a totalitarian regime and then watch afterwards as the people given a chance to vote freely elect an Islamist government.

And that essentially is the leadership of Iraq. The two main parties the SCIRI and DAWA were formed in Iran by the Ayatollah Khomeni as terrorist groups.

Maliki, the current Iraqi PM was in exile during Saddam's time in Syria as the Jihad coordinator for the DAWA Party.

So, we have an elected Islamist government in charge of Iraq.

And I haven't even mentioned the Militias,
the leaders of which, such as Muqti al-Sadr,
whose party received 30 seats, were elected to parliament.

Sigh, in Iraq, a large problem, besides PM Maliki being beholden to Muqti al Sadr, because his party votes facilitated Maliki becoming PM, is that the heads of the Militias
have control over various governmental departments.

So, you have the Badr Brigade and the Mahdi Army death squadding their way across the Iraqi landscape, and the government is limited in what they can do against them, because they are in fact in charge of various facets of the government.

For those who argued that the Iraqi elections should have been delayed, and I think Daniel Pipes was one of them, well, they were right, as the present government is untenable.

Perhaps, if enough time had passed, the citizenry would have been better educated politicially and opted for a more secular representation.

Then again, an interesting demographic phenomonon happened after the war - the cities like Baghdad saw a flood of young, poor, uneducated Shia fundamentalist types move in, and this has greatly contributed to sectarian tensions, since this group has clashed with the established Sunni class, and equally serves as fodder for the militias and radical types like Muqti al-Sadr.

So, please no more nation building in the Mideast.

Mister Ghost
Iraqi Bloggers Central

Intervening directly and heavily in the affairs of Syria and Iran at this time is exactly what needs to be done. A bit of "heavy intervention now will save millions of lives later. Syria, in an attempt by the Bath and Baby Doc Assad to hang on against the Muslim Brothers, has reduced itself to an Iranian base of operations. Iran's strategy is to put into place a Shia Crescent extending from Iran to to the Mediterranean that contains the Wahabi Sunni, regains Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem, and installs the Shia "12ers" on their "rightful throne".

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Tehran’s interim Friday Prayers Leader Seyed Ahmad Khatami stressed that the savage and devilish performance of the US President George W Bush has placed Republicans in a very critical condition.

Sounds like HST (may he rest in pieces) from his Fear and Loathing days, Savage Lucy and adrenochrome, Khatami must be drug-addled to a truly admirable degree.

Jack Cafferty on CNN just had a temper tantrum about "the Administration" and how deplorable our country is. Paraphrasing what he said -- it went something like "We're worse than the supposed terrorists we're supposed to be fighting. We should be really proud of ourselves."

I'm surprised he didn't spit at the floor. As if that tirade wasn't bad enough, it was just an introduction to an entire segment on the big bad United States -- he turned it over to another reporter to finish the hit job.

What an anti-American bastard.

CNN is getting worse. Somebody's running a persistent, increasingly abusive agenda over there.

I just don't get how the US is supposed to be as bad as the terrorists we're fighting.

I think some people have listened to the voices in their heads so long that they believe them.

He pointed to the heavy casualties sustained by the US army in Iraq as a further factor deteriorating the Republicans’ stand on the political scene of the United States,

They have propoganda and manipulation of the American public down to a science.

There will be heavier casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan for the next few weeks; until after the election. The Vietnamese broke the code on this ploy and MidEastern countries have continued to exploit it. Always before an American election, our enemies have intensified military activity and created more casualties in the hope of affecting the elections. The problem is that many American voters have not broken the code and figured out they and their emotions are being manipulated.

Strangely enough; the Islamics don't seem to have figured out that President G.W.Bush isn't running for Presidential office again.

OT, but:

heh.

Ain't it the truth?!?

~Norsk Troll

#71 goddessoftheclassroom

It's puzzling -- I guess these leftists really think that self-loathing is a virtue. It requires willfully ignoring the facts. He even mentioned our "torture of prisoners." Every liberal, democratic talking point was covered. Blatant bias -- blatant pandering to voters by CNN.

His comments just whitewashed our enemy completely. The media's ignorance just boggles my mind.

EtNorskTroll

LOL! Yeah, I notice they're never protesting their own governments...

#72, outrider. "running for presidential office again". The Dem's haven't figured that out either, a sign of a serious perceptual deficiency.

the GOP should turn up the volume on this .Iran backs the dems

OT

Detroit church to become mosque

#70 traveler

CNN is getting worse. Somebody's running a persistent, increasingly abusive agenda over there.

May I remind you that the guy who owns the place is married to Hanoi Jane?

Dennis Ross needs to spend some time with Spencer/Steyn!

78 godfrey,

That's an interesting story.

Among the new residents is Mohammed Moshon, who is from Bangladesh. He is looking forward to the expansion of his mosque, where upward of 300 parishioners attend Friday prayers. He's especially glad there might be a school that could be an alternative to Detroit Public Schools for his two sons and daughter.

This makes me really question my position on school vouchers.

#72 Outrider

Strangely enough; the Islamics don't seem to have figured out that President G.W.Bush isn't running for Presidential office again.

You can bet that in 2008 they will present the fact that he will not be running as a great victory of islam.

and yet the US endorses 1701>the front line of Jihad

72 Outrider,

Strangely enough; the Islamics don't seem to have figured out that President G.W.Bush isn't running for Presidential office again.

Don't underestimate their savvy, though. They know the whole Democratic platform is built on how evil and wicked the current administration is. So the more they bash him, the more they feel they're supporting a leftist coup.

Must be uncomfortable for Democrats, I imagine.

pointers lepanto

by 2008, watch out we'll be in full impeachmentPelosi mode or Iran will be set back

with all due respect, thee troops in Irag neeed to march eastward and await Chinese Russian response

OT.

About that Indymedia reporter that just got killed in Oaxaca:

Brad Will, 34, a veteran former East Village squatter and activist now living in Williamsburg, Brooklyn, said he was disturbed to hear from friends that his photo was among those shown on “Nightline.” In addition, he said, a waiter friend of his at an East Village restaurant, reported that while taking an order on Aug. 30 she noticed some detectives at a table flipping through photos, one of which was Will’s.

“She said, ‘Watch out, they’re following you,’ ” Will said. “It made me nervous.

“I’m planning on launching some kind of lawsuit, defamation of character. They put my photo on ‘Nightline,’ ” he said. “I never hurt anyone in my life. There are no cases pending against me. I’m a journalist now, I don’t want my career to be ruined. I don’t want to lose my job — I just started working at a health food store in the East Village.”

Will videotaped the convention protests for Indymedia, doing his best to avoid arrest, though he did get pepper-sprayed during the arrests of 500 to 600 protesters during a “street party” march on 16th St. on Aug. 31.

“The police were targeting people with cameras,” he said. “They got me on the side of my face and shoulder.”

Like others identified as potentially violent anarchists, Will doesn’t deny having been arrested before. He’s been collared about seven times, but like others on the N.Y.P.D.’s “Top 50” R.N.C. protesters list, he said these arrests were for nonviolent civil disobedience, mostly for sitting down in community gardens to block bulldozers, then getting grabbed by police.

Saint Squatter seems like an appropriate name.

#37 Elric

That quote belongs to Winston Churchill. If you read Michael Moorcock, you must listen to Hawkwind. It's in the unwritten rules.

===

#56/#62

Unless some fairly dramatic changes have been made in the production of DU ammunition, the Israelis are NOT and have NOT been using it any time recently - if ever.

DU is used to penetrate armor. DU ammunition is very expensive and somewhat difficult to manufacture.

We, the US, use it in 25mm (Bushmaster gun on the Bradley), 30mm (Avenger gun on the A-10), and 120mm (Abrams main gun). Because we can afford to.

The IDF does not use either 25mm or 30mm.

The Merkava does mount a 120mm main gun and may very well have DU rounds available, but standard 120mm HE would work a helluva lot better and cheaper against the "soft" targets of HizbAllahs meatbombers and missile teams.

As long as HizbAllah fields no tanks, the IDF isn't wasting DU rounds.

DU rounds are NOT radioactive, (hence the "depleted" part), and do NOT pollute the environment any more than a glow in the dark frisbee.

So...

Why was HizbAllah using 122mm BM-21 cannister rocket rounds filled with ball bearings, against civilian targets?

RHETORICALLY,
R

Peretz: Let us stay in gov't

/um NO

Bibi/Moshe/Silvan hello?

#40 BabbaZee

Cheers!

#81 Cognito 10/28/2006 12:27PM PDT

78 godfrey,

That's an interesting story.

Among the new residents is Mohammed Moshon, who is from Bangladesh. He is looking forward to the expansion of his mosque, where upward of 300 parishioners attend Friday prayers. He's especially glad there might be a school that could be an alternative to Detroit Public Schools for his two sons and daughter.

This makes me really question my position on school vouchers.

Good point. That's all we need now. School vouchers so we can start paying for the islamic schools also!
We are past the no return mark.

#79 galloping granny

Ted no longer owns it and he's divorced from Jane Fonda.

Slight correction to my #89...

IDF AH-64 Apaches do use 30mm and may very well have DU ammo available.

PIMF,
R

how can Bush reconcile the statements he makes with those of Condi?

what are the forms one would have to make out for firing Condi Nov 8th?

I guess Powell would know?

88 new tommy,

William Bradley Roland, aka Brad Will, a U.S. journalist and camerman, was shot and killed yesterday in Oaxaca, Mexico, by paramiliaries affiliated with the PRI, the former Mexican ruling party... Will, 36, was shot at the Santa Lucia Barricade from a distance of 30-40 meters in the pit of the stomach by plainclothes paramilitaries and died while enroute to the Red Cross.

Not really all that funny. I suspect the guy was a moron, but even so...

OT.

Another article on the Indymedia reporter.

Apparently he went from being a squatter in New York's East Village to reporting on squatters in other countries, such as Brazil. Squatting was apparently his life's calling.

Mandy your not talking about the boycott are you?

#96 Cognito

Not really all that funny. I suspect the guy was a moron, but even so...

Of course, I don't wish anyone to get killed needlessly, Cognito. That the guy was a left-wing loon, there appears to be no doubt.

Senior Labor ministers: Pines bit off more than he could chew

Senior ministers in the Labor Party criticized the conduct of Minister Ophir Pines-Paz, who called the faction to quit the government because of Israel Our Home's addition to the coalition.

According to them, "Ophir bit off more than he could chew, and it isn't clear how he will get out of this is the center authorizes staying in the government." According to them, Pines-Paz needs to resign if he doesn't succeed in convincing the party center to instruct the ministers to quit the coalition. (Attila Somfalvi)

ynet

what side is the the great defender of Arabs on anyways?

#64 EE

On the topic of deployments in Iraq: Daniel Pipes suggests that coalition forces be relocated from inhabited areas of Iraq and redeployed to the desert areas. That would serve basic US interests, according to Pipes.

Great article. Wish Charles would devote an entire thread to this. It's time...
[Link: www.danielpipes.org...]

Galloping Granny and

MandyManners,

Heaven help me for saying this, but it's almost as if Turner provided a steadying influence. Steadily wrong and one-sided, but steady. Since then CNN really does seem to have gone off the rails.

#96, cognoto. Even morons need to earn respect. The dead moron, didn't have enough time to earn proper respect I suppose. So it goes. Blocking bulldozers in New York? No wonder he went to mexico. it's a lot easier to block a shovel. Sorta.

#96 Cognito 10/28/2006 12:49PM PDT

88 new tommy,

William Bradley Roland, aka Brad Will, a U.S. journalist and camerman, was shot and killed yesterday in Oaxaca, Mexico, by paramiliaries affiliated with the PRI, the former Mexican ruling party... Will, 36, was shot at the Santa Lucia Barricade from a distance of 30-40 meters in the pit of the stomach by plainclothes paramilitaries and died while enroute to the Red Cross.

Not really all that funny. I suspect the guy was a moron, but even so...

Well yeah, Cognito, but you know - when you go play activist "reporter" by manning the barricades in Oaxaca or hiking the hills of Afghanistan "embedded" with the Taliban, getting yourself killed is a distinct risk that you run.

Our soldiers are to the best of my knowledge not required to not drop a bomb or not shoot at someone shooting at them because there just happens to be a reporter there.

There were plenty of reporters in WWII - and following - that got killed. Thats the risk you run when you choose to be a war reporter.

#89 Render

Thanks for that.

The Bellamy article suggested DU might be used in bunker busters, which actually makes sense.

Israel procured these recently from from the US, with good reason given the extensive Hezbollah bunker systems. Based on what you say about DU rounds, if there is DU involved it may have come from the bunker busters, which the Israelis are justified in using.

But all you hear from the Muslims and the LLL is how Israel should not be using [insert random technology or tactic here] in order to defend themselves. Israel and the West must disarm unilaterally, while any form of terrorism is legitimate "resistance." End rant.

#101 EC Marm

Deployment to the desert areas is already happening. Does he mean ALL forces to the desert?

/ guess I could read the article :)

cognito,

disagree the intifada is just more "in your face due to the internet".

people used to rely on the likes of CNN etc before CNN started asking for terrorist snuff films by email as I've heard.

Galloping Granny,

I know all about conflict reporting, first hand, and I agree with you completely. I just felt a little queasy making fun of the guy.

And he was a moron, no doubt, to go down there prancing around in what was probably an activist role.

That's just dumb.

Speaking of Mullahs, and by extension, religion.

All national institutions of churches, whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolize power and profit.

OT
a very... um...
"energetic" Muslim Canadian posts on youtube

this is very revealing, if you can stand the idiot
very revealing

107 akak,

disagree the intifada is just more "in your face due to the internet".

Hm? I never said that -- I think we may just have a crossed wire, here.

OT.

Indymedia has already decided that it was paramilitaries in plainclothes who killed Brad Will in the shootout between Mexican police and protesters.

#102 Cognito 10/28/2006 12:55PM PDT

Galloping Granny and

MandyManners,

Heaven help me for saying this, but it's almost as if Turner provided a steadying influence. Steadily wrong and one-sided, but steady. Since then CNN really does seem to have gone off the rails.

He's already divorced from Hanoi Jane? Sheesh time flies when you're having fun!

But yes, CNN has definitely gone way down hill hand over fist in the days since 911. That, I think, is when they really started alienating people. Since then I think they've become more and more strident trying to capture the LLL. The more desperate they become the harder they try, until now they look like raving lunatics.

I really enjoyed Lynne Cheney's slap-down. Of course Wolf was a fool to try to trap her like that. Desperate.

(Norsk Troll puts his hands behind his back, sways his hairy little body back and forth a little while looking up and smiling sweetly)

"Goooddag, Mama~!"

(Goood morning, Mama~!)

#114 Norski

Hello Norski (is it morning where you are?)

Had any good lefsa lately? :)

sorry Cognito

/in a mood

is this the drinking thread?

#94 Render

Perhaps another valid use for DU might be the rocket launchers?

#116 akak

is this the drinking thread?

Vy da heck not, ya know?

113 Galloping Granny,

Funny thing is, I -think- I remember watching CNN in its early days, and it seemed to be a fairly straightforward news-gathering outfit.

I can't really tell if that's true, or if it just seems that way, relative to where they are now.

#113 galloping granny

Fonda became a Christian.

Blitzer's still resting on his laurels from hs coverage of the GWI.

I feel about "war" reports the way I feel about my cat in the kitchen.

I don't care if she's there, but she'd better not hiss if I step on her tail while I'm getting supper.

I'm there to cook, not walk around a kitty.

Iranian foreign minister arrives in Damascus

Iranian Foreign Minister Manouchehr Mottaki arrived in Damascus and was welcomed at the airport by his Syrian counterpart, Walid Moallem, the IRNA news agency reported.

Mottaki told reporters he had a message from Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to Syrian President Bashar Assad regarding regional issues and the relations between both countries. (Dudi Cohen)

ynet

/first Meshaal visits Pally's and now this

you say Mottaaki I say Moliki

#101 EC Marm & #64 EE

Realignment would be my preference. Hopefully once this Maliki vulture is gone we can better train up the Iraqis to more effectively protect themselves and their public. 12-18 months for this to happen. But it won't happen with Maliki. After that we can concentrate on providing air support to the Iraqis in the streets. Rotate out 50% of our "Regular" Forces and bring in more fast rotation Special Ops teams. A Coalition (read US) Airbase is needed in Iraq for the next few decades at least.
Whether it's at the Baghdad Airport or in the middle of the Desert is a good question.
Those sand storms are hell on people and machines.

#120 Mandy

Blitzer's still resting on his laurels from hs coverage of the GWI.

That's when I first started watching CNN. I knew right away that me and Christianne Im-a-war-whore and I weren't going to get along.

#115 mama winger 10/28/2006 01:06PM PDT

Had any good lefsa lately? :)

MMMmmm...Leeefsaaa.

With cinnamon & pure butter.

What word properly conveys the word "Ahhhggghhh"...?

Oh, yeah:

Transcendent.

Yep. It's morning time (or was).

121 goddess,

I feel about "war" reports the way I feel about my cat in the kitchen.

I don't care if she's there

I say this with extreme trepidation, and no desire to get into a long thing, but -- really? Where would we learn about what's happening on the battlefield -- the government?

#108 Cognito

Galloping Granny,

I know all about conflict reporting, first hand, and I agree with you completely. I just felt a little queasy making fun of the guy.

And he was a moron, no doubt, to go down there prancing around in what was probably an activist role.

That's just dumb.

I happened across this report on Indymedia yesterday. While I wouldn't make fun of the guy, he does not seem like the sharpest tool in the shed to me - but neither does Indymedia. And the story as they were telling it yesterday just didn't seem quite "kosher" to me.

Just last week there was the incident of some "news" group trying to take the US to court because one of their reporters was where he shouldn't have been and got killed.

The AP is kicking up a fuss because one of their "stringer" photogs - one, BTW, that has been the subject of more than a few questions about how he happened to get certain pics - is currently locked up by the US "in an undisclosed location."

And I came across one "war photographer" during the recent Lebanon conflict who has clearly stated that he considers himself an islamic jihadi with a camera instead of a gun.

Being a journalist does not and should not convey any special privileges.

#123 RTLM

Those sand storms are hell on people and machines.

You are right there. Little Winger sent me pictures of his skin after sand-storm season.

It's actually: "god morgen"

But I didn't want you to get the wrong idea...

*smiles sweetly*

#126 cognito

I'd settle for offical battlefield dispatches rather than the reporting we're getting now. I want reporters who are on America's side, not their own for glory.

I take your point, though, and it's a good one. I'm just disgusted with the slant of the news we get, especially that which makes us out to be the "bad" guy.

Where would we learn about what's happening on the battlefield -- the government?

Uh, how about the people actually there? Like the soldiers? You know, the ones in the middle of it all? That's where I get my war info - not from some journalist with an agenda.

127 galloping granny,

Being a journalist does not and should not convey any special privileges.

Hallelujah. Absolutely. I believe in what has become, I think, a very old-fashioned sort of journalism, wherein the journalist represents the eyes and ears of people who can't all file onto the battlefield, into the courtroom, and so forth. No special privileges, and no special restrictions.

#126 Cognito

121 goddess,

I feel about "war" reports the way I feel about my cat in the kitchen.

I don't care if she's there

I say this with extreme trepidation, and no desire to get into a long thing, but -- really? Where would we learn about what's happening on the battlefield -- the government?

I would agree with you Cognito if we actually were seeing what happened, but we aren't. So much of what came out of the recent Lebanon conflict was so blatantly one-sided, slanted or staged that those "reporters" might just as well have been working directly for Hizballah. Government propaganda could have been no worse and would at least have been acknowledged as propaganda.

#127 Galloping Granny

What amuses me is the fact that Indymedia and other left-wing media sources have already agreed that it was right-wing government-backed paramilitaries in plainclothes who killed Brad Will in a shootout that otherwise involved visible Mexican police officers and protesters. They seem to have determined they can't pin this one on uniformed police officers during the shootout and they won't even allow for the possibility that he might have accidentally gotten shot by some of his fellow protesters. Nope. Right-wing paramilitaries did it.

131 mama winger,

Uh, how about the people actually there? Like the soldiers?

I see your point. But with respect, I'd say that individual soldiers rarely have a large view of the landscape -- they're usually so busy doing one particular job, that they aren't equipped for information- and perspective-gathering.

There are some soldiers, of course, who are full-time reporters and photographers. But those are government positions -- and heaven knows the next administration, or the one after that, may have an agenda to push that runs at odds to our beliefs.

So there's real value in independent observation and thought.

Completely OT. Been gone for awhile. Finding new diggs, and working for the guv (could lurk but not post). I just wanted to check and make sure this puter thing was hooked up right! If so, HELLO LIZARDS it's great to be back!

10uc

133 galloping granny,

what came out of the recent Lebanon conflict was so blatantly one-sided, slanted or staged that those "reporters" might just as well have been working directly for Hizballah.

I agree. Total crap.

In this age of technology where everyone has a videocam or phone camera, and access to the internet even in a war zone - why do we need journalists there anyway? Is any purpose helpful to the war effort being served by these guys? Anything?

cognito
"So there's real value in independent observation and thought."

Absolutely. But we don't have that. If we must have a choice between the media we have and the miliblogs/military reporters, I'd rather have the latter. The current media skews the news in such a way that demoralizes our country and give aid to our enemy.

#134 new_tommy 10/28/2006 01:19PM PDT

#127 Galloping Granny

What amuses me is the fact that Indymedia and other left-wing media sources have already agreed that it was right-wing government-backed paramilitaries in plainclothes who killed Brad Will in a shootout that otherwise involved visible Mexican police officers and protesters. They seem to have determined they can't pin this one on uniformed police officers during the shootout and they won't even allow for the possibility that he might have accidentally gotten shot by some of his fellow protesters. Nope. Right-wing paramilitaries did it.

I found that more than a little amusing too. The pics show Will's body without so much as a shirt on, to say nothing of anything that would indicate that he is "press." So "plainclothes paramilitaries" - by which I presume they mean mercenaries - just happened to choose him to shoot? Yeah, OK.

So there's real value in independent observation and thought.

Yeah, well, as soon as I see some of that I'll be sure to check it out. In the meantime, I'm good with little slices here and there by people who actually know what they're talking about, who aren't sympathetic to the enemy.

138 mama winger,

I'm right there with you -- much of the reportage we're seeing these days is just junk, slanted either toward the left or toward the advancement of some reporter or photographer's career. Junk.

But walking around with a phone camera doesn't make you able to tell a story.

Goddess,

Mama Winger,

et al,

I think we're all in basic agreement here, I really do. The truth is the truth, and that's what we need from battlefield reports. Beyond that, I don't want to chew up any more space rambling on about it. I tend to get windy.

What we need is neither right-wing or left-wing opinionated journalism; we've got plenty of that already (though we have far more left- than right-wing opinion in the MSM). We need old-fashioned media sources that are very dry and that simply report the facts as they are. We need journalists who stop trying to spice up stories with their own little spin on things.

With the facts before us, then let the opinions fly.

Agreed!

Listen, Cognito, I get that you're a journalist. I get that you think it is a noble profession, and needs to be defended. I get that. We all like to think our chosen job is meaningful. I get that.

But I'm not on board with the program, so that's where I'm coming from. That's pretty much it.

#138 mama winger

In this age of technology where everyone has a videocam or phone camera, and access to the internet even in a war zone - why do we need journalists there anyway? Is any purpose helpful to the war effort being served by these guys? Anything?

Yes. They were marvelous spies inside Israel - including Shep Smith from Fox (maybe especially him) - and did a bang up job of making the entire conflict all Israel's fault.

I actually took to counting the number of pictures coming out of Lebanon vs. the pics from Israel and wrote to several organizations to complain. Lebanon:Israel about 4:1. The pics from Lebanon all showed crying people, dead bodies and bombed buildings. The pics from Israel - despite the number of bombs landing and damage done - were invariable military, almost across the board. If they weren't showing the IDF military might then they were showing the IDF soldiers "playing." Sickening.

#142 Cognito
But walking around with a phone camera doesn't make you able to tell a story.

I agree with you. However, most of what passes for "reporting" these days comes from people who are not one whit better able to tell a story, at least not without bending it substantially.

Long ago and far away I used to write for a newspaper. Started out writing obits - that is where everyone started out, so you could practice" who does what where when how and maybe why." Newspaper reporting today has lost that "recipe" that made things so readable. Journalists today appear to have trouble writing a coherent sentence, to say nothing of presenting things in some logical order. Utterly beyond them.

Meanwhile, yes there are 12 year olds out there with a cam-phone that can do as well.

#140 galloping granny

So "plainclothes paramilitaries" - by which I presume they mean mercenaries - just happened to choose him to shoot? Yeah, OK.

That is right. Not only mercenaries, but mercenaries who happened to look identical to the protesters who the poor bastard was hanging with at the time.

I understand that things are often more "complicated" in Third World countries. I can understand wanting to cover atrocities and abuses and the general depravity that we see in those countries. Still, amateur journalists have to know the risks and those risks may come not only from big bad right-wing governments, but from all sides.

#147 g Granny

Exactly. Someone above mentioned that journalists are there to 'tell a story'. I don't want a story - I want facts and figures. Because as you said about Shep Smith - as soon as they start 'telling a story', the account becomes laden with fictionalized slant and the reporter's bias.

When it comes to current battlefield reporting the only sources I trust are Bill Roggio, Michael Yon, and James Dunnigans crew at [Link: www.strategypage.com...]

Stratfor and Orbat.com have been very good secondary sources.

I don't watch tv, cable or otherwise, and I do not read any newspaper.

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#105 Transient

The GBU-28 bunkerbuster doesn't use DU.

Although some sources state that DU bunkerbusters can be or are under development, tungsten works better.

#117 Transient

While it's entirely possible that 30mm DU rounds from the Apaches may have been used against the rocket launchers, rocket launchers are unarmored. HE rounds would have a far better effect on such targets.

===

Cognito, I see what you're typing. And I ask you, would Ernie Pyle have been able to work for any of the MSM?

BY
LINE,
R

149 galloping granny,

I certainly won't defend crappy writing -- I can't stand it either. But there are some really excellent publications, with excellent writers and thinkers.

As for CNN:

One good thing they did -- and I'm fighting a gag as I say that -- was to run and truly outstanding documentary about North Korea, called, "Undercover in the Secret State."

I don't know if anyone else here saw it, but it was astonishing. Really opened my eyes to the daily lives of North Koreans.

Heck with the nuances of news reporting and get back to the killing of the enemy! And back to the talk of jets, boats, bombs, guns and victory.

(BTW, we're all right here in the best news source there is)

Render - I used to enjoy reading the morning paper (local) with my coffee. Some years ago I noticed a lot more items in the news that were just plain wrong. Simple things, like names or places or what they said. I knew it was wrong because I lived in a small town and pretty much knew where everyone lived and what they had said or done. I saw they couldn't even get simple facts straight, so they lost all credibility with me on the big things from half a world away.

Cancelled my subscription.

#151 mama winger

#147 g Granny

Exactly. Someone above mentioned that journalists are there to 'tell a story'. I don't want a story - I want facts and figures. Because as you said about Shep Smith - as soon as they start 'telling a story', the account becomes laden with fictionalized slant and the reporter's bias.

You know what especially irritates me about today's "journalist?" The constant drumbeat of handwringing and wailing about how many soldiers we have lost! It makes me and others of my generation blindingly angry. We STILL haven't lost as many soldiers as we did in some single battles in WWII and Korea. The entire first year of the war we did not lose as many men as we lost in a matter of hours a number of times in Vietnam.

It breaks my heart every time we lose a soldier. The Marine Corporal that dived on a grenade to save his buddies a few days ago is a hero - and we don't hear a word about him. He should be getting front page stories. But 3000 in five years is hardly a "quagmire."

#153 Cognito 10/28/2006 01:45PM PDT

149 galloping granny,

I certainly won't defend crappy writing -- I can't stand it either. But there are some really excellent publications, with excellent writers and thinkers.

As for CNN:

One good thing they did -- and I'm fighting a gag as I say that -- was to run and truly outstanding documentary about North Korea, called, "Undercover in the Secret State."

I don't know if anyone else here saw it, but it was astonishing. Really opened my eyes to the daily lives of North Koreans.

I would like to believe you Cognito, but over the years I have read just about every news publication in hard copy available in the US. These days I save my money. Now and then I'll read a specific article online, but I haven't seen a mag or journal in years worth laying out bucks for on a regular basis. That includes, BTW, National Geographic.

CNN lost me way back during the 911 coverage. And frankly, they are so subjective and so biased and so anti-American literally across the board, no matter how well-produced the North Korea "documentary" was I simply would not believe it. CNN has burned every ounce of credibility that they ever had with me.

I posted this on a dead late night thread a week or so ago...

My father was part of Task Force MacLean in Korea. Out of 1,053 men on November 27th, 1950, only 181 survived by December 2nd, 1950.

MSM, quagmire, Pat Tillmans brother whining?

I don't want to hear it.

SHUT UP
AND LOAD,
R

#156 g granny

I wrote an email to CNN after the sniper story. Their defense supposedly was that they needed to tell the whole truth. My questions were these:

Why do I not see stories of heroic acts by our soldiers on your network? They happen - aren't they part of 'the story'?

Why when you report casualties, do you not report the mission they were on and whether or not that mission was successful? why do you not say WHY they died?

Why will you not report on the things the soldiers have voluntarily given up to be there? Wouldn't that be a part of the story?

Of course - I never received an answer. I didn't expect to.

Does Shehan's son's grave have a headstone yet?

mama winger

Excellent questions. Too bad you weren't given equally excellent answers.

#158 Render 10/28/2006 01:52PM PDT

I posted this on a dead late night thread a week or so ago...

My father was part of Task Force MacLean in Korea. Out of 1,053 men on November 27th, 1950, only 181 survived by December 2nd, 1950.

MSM, quagmire, Pat Tillmans brother whining?

I don't want to hear it.

SHUT UP
AND LOAD,
R

Render, I notice you posting up above about the "uranium bombs in Lebanon" story. I'm a medical chemist, not a nuclear chemist, but it strikes me that no one seems to consider that hizballah might have had something that blew up in an Israeli strike, rather than Israel using uranium. And of course the idiots also forget the natural geography of the area.

#158 RENDER

My father was part of Task Force MacLean in Korea. Out of 1,053 men on November 27th, 1950, only 181 survived by December 2nd, 1950.

MSM, quagmire, Pat Tillmans brother whining?

I don't want to hear it.

SHUT UP
AND LOAD,

Brave men, those. Good men. Same as now.

The libs will only support a war if we promise no one will get hurt.

Just about any written text, since cuneiform, has probably had a bias. Even if it amounts to what gets chosen as being news. The pen is mightier than the sword. Now, in the age of information, the computer and the internet is mightier than the MSM.

We must all thank Al Gore now for inventing the internet.

(just kidding!)

Galloping Granny,

I

would like to believe you Cognito, but over the years I have read just about every news publication in hard copy available in the US.

They're out there, I promise. They're not always U.S. publications, though. For instance, there's a British outfit called The Economist that's consistently brilliant. I don't agree with every single word they print, but that's an impossible standard for anybody.

no matter how well-produced the North Korea "documentary" was I simply would not believe it.

I could be wrong, but it had the feel of a documentary produced independently, which CNN just bought the rights to and aired.

#161 goddessoftheclassroom 10/28/2006 01:55PM PDT

mama winger

Excellent questions. Too bad you weren't given equally excellent answers.

They are excellent questions. Mama was given a very clear answer though. CNN feels that it cannot afford to be seen as American. They want the protection of operating under US laws, the glamour of their NY headquarters, the pretty liberal FCC regulations - but they absolutely do not want to be seen as American.

#120 MandyManners 10/28/2006 01:10PM PDT

#113 galloping granny

Fonda became a Christian.

No, Fonda became a member of the
Convenient Cult of Gramscian Churchianity.

She is nothing more than a more famous face among millions of
religious performance artists.

There's a vast difference.

164 talk,

computer and the internet is mightier than the MSM

Things are changing rapidly, but for now the sources you listed above depend almost exclusively on very old forms of reportage. Mostly wire services.

#164 talk sick alaskan

If you are in Alaska, please know my son and I are very grateful to your National Guard troops.

They have just arrived to relieve him :)

#165 Cognito

no matter how well-produced the North Korea "documentary" was I simply would not believe it.

I could be wrong, but it had the feel of a documentary produced independently, which CNN just bought the rights to and aired.

If it had run on Fox or NBC or PBS or even CBS I probably would have watched. CNN has so convinced me that they are nothing but a propaganda tool for the NME that anything they show is automatically suspect as far as I'm concerned.

A good friend of mine expressed the feeling that she hates the war because of the "kids" fighting it.

Well, no one "loves" war, but some of us accept that it's better than the alternative.

And those "kids" are men and women who signed on knowing the risks. It diminished them to suggest that they're chidren.

I didn't say any of this because I have an iron-clad rule about not discussing politics with friends, and she dropped the topic right away.

Later, Lizards. I'm taking the kid to a Halloween party this afternoon. Sugar rush, here we come!

#172 M M

Mmmm . . . candy! :) Have fun!

170 Galloping Granny,

Fair enough. But this particular documentary comprised footage shot by North Korean citizens and smuggled out. No spin, just incredible footage of people starving in the streets, executions and so on.

The fact that it was shot by citizens on portable technology lends credit to Mama Winger's theory about the uselessness of journalists, I suppose.

But we're not all idiots...

#167 BabbaZee 10/28/2006 01:59PM PDT

#120 MandyManners 10/28/2006 01:10PM PDT

#113 galloping granny

Fonda became a Christian.

No, Fonda became a member of the
Convenient Cult of Gramscian Churchianity.

She is nothing more than a more famous face among millions of
religious performance artists.

There's a vast difference.

It does not matter a single whit what Hanoi Jane has done in the many decades since she got so many of our young men killed. She was a traitor then and she is a traitor today. And you can bet your last dime that just every single person that every served during the Vietnam Era considers her exactly that.

She became a "christian?" Well, G_d knows and he will sort it out. Makes no never mind to me.

168 Cog,

Yeah, but as others have posted, why don't we see the stories in the MSM about a new water treatment system somewhere where it helped people in Iraq, or little girls learning to read, or amazing heroism of the good guys. Actually, teaching girls to read might be the best long-term strategy for defeating islamic fundamentalism. The koran doesn't have anything nice in store for females in life or afterward. In fact, an accurate documentary on the history of islam would be best.

just sayin...

Okay, I can't type when I'm mad!

#175 galloping granny 10/28/2006 02:05PM PDT

#167 BabbaZee 10/28/2006 01:59PM PDT

#120 MandyManners 10/28/2006 01:10PM PDT

#113 galloping granny

Fonda became a Christian.

No, Fonda became a member of the
Convenient Cult of Gramscian Churchianity.

She is nothing more than a more famous face among millions of
religious performance artists.

There's a vast difference.

It does not matter a single whit what Hanoi Jane has done in the many decades since she got so many of our young men killed. She was a traitor then and she is a traitor today. And you can bet your last dime that just about every single person that ever served during the Vietnam Era considers her exactly that.

She became a "christian?" Well, G_d knows and he will sort it out. Makes no never mind to me.

169 mama,

God bless them!

Alaskans are behind them.

176 talk,

I agree. And I promise you that as soon as I'm elected President of the Media, I'll make some changes! :)

gg, not to worry. Our lizard eyes automatically correct little typos.

At least mine do, since my lizard claws make so many of them...

169 mama,

and thank your son please!

#181 talk sick alaskan

Thank you - I will and I do. Practically every day people here on LGF pass on good wishes to our troops. That's why this place feels like home to me.

bbiab - need to take dogs for a good run.

#174 Cognito

170 Galloping Granny,

Fair enough. But this particular documentary comprised footage shot by North Korean citizens and smuggled out. No spin, just incredible footage of people starving in the streets, executions and so on.

The fact that it was shot by citizens on portable technology lends credit to Mama Winger's theory about the uselessness of journalists, I suppose.

Cognito, it could be the most wonderful documentary in the world but it aired on CNN. People that want my attention and the attention of people like me simply need to learn to show things they want attended to somewhere that is NOT CNN.

But we're not all idiots...

No, you aren't. Unfortunately, so many in the Western media are idiots, or yellow journalists, or pushing their own agenda, or pushing somebody else's agenda & getting paid for it, or making up stories from fancy hotel rooms out of whole cloth that virtually ALL journalists are tarred and feathered with that same brush.

Why do you think that there are so many of us that check every fact in every story and examine every picture?

Here's good reporting

Foxnews.com has video of the DC-10 Air Tanker dropping its load of fire retard today in So Cal. We saw this airplane at the Miramar Air Show a couple weeks ago.

My son will appreciate this.

179 Cog,

There doesn't have to be any President of the Media. The MSM is getting beat senseless by the internet. It's not going to change because someone important says something or declares something. It's just a logical progression of a free society. We are free to make choices. We choose to check "facts". That's all. But, allah hates freedom.

Way OT

Jack Nicklaus just 'dotted the "I"' at the end of Script Ohio (The Best Damned Band In The Land) at halftime of the OSU/Minn game. An awesome moment! GO BUCKEYES!

I gotta go but I leave with this:

If Scorcese Directed Sesame Street

"Streets of Sesame"

185 talk,

I know. I was just trying to make a serious point in a funny way. There's no President of the Media because "the media" is a nebulous thing. There are no borders, no boundries, no head and no tail.

As for the internet somehow being more accurate and factual than older mediums -- really? Not at all. The internet is full of fallacy. The internet is full of truth. It's full of a lot of things, because it it's just a medium. It is part of "the Media."

And again, the motor that drives news on the internet is often a very old one. Very few blogs -- if any -- are financing trips for reporters around the world. I think Mark Cuban is trying to start up such a venture, and I look forward to seeing how it works out.

And while we're speaking of "Jane" and the "media". Even back in the 70's Jane Curtin knew that the radical Islamists and the Leftists were one in the same:

Dan Aykroyd: Hello. I'm "Weekend Update" Station Manager Dan Aykroyd. This week, the Shah of Iran declared martial law, in an attempt to put a stop to the violent writing which has paralyzed his country. The Shah is the subject of tonight's "Point/Counterpoint". Jane will take the Anti-Shah Point, and I will take the Pro-Shah Counterpoint. Jane?

Jane Curtin: Dan, I know exactly what you're going to say: "Jane, you ignorant slut! The Shah is our friend, he sent us oil during the 70's re-embargo. He's a fighter against Communism." Maybe so, Dan, but what happened to the human rights you scream about every time a Saranski gets sentenced to some Soviet jail? Why is it wrong to torture a dissident and freezing Siberian Goulag, but okay to wire a leftist student's genitals in a baking Tehran dungeon? I only hope that someday someone wires your genitals, Dan. Then you'll be singing a different tune!

Dan Aykroyd: Jane, you poor, misguided scrag! Sure, the Shah's a jerk, but he's all we've got! Just look at the map. To the north, the Soviet Union; to the east and west, Afghanistan and Iraq. Both leftist radical states; and in the south, the Persian Gulf. Any idiot can see that Iran would be a prized stepping stone in an eventual Soviet takeover of the world. And when that happens, Jane, those Cossacks will be coming over here with their broom handle, and we'll see how you'll feel then! Of course, you'd probably love it, you ignorant slut!

Jane Curtin: That's the news. Good night, and have a pleasant tomorrow.

YouTube Video
Council on American-Islamic Relations Exposed

#188 Cognito

[Link: counterterrorismblog.org...]

[Link: billroggio.com...]

[Link: www.michaelyon-online.com...]

[Link: www.orbat.com...]

[Link: www.stratfor.com...]

DINNER
IS
SERVED,
R

OT: KPFA, our moonbat Pacifica station located right here in Berzerkeley, has some excellent music programming. They have the best jazz programs in the area on Saturday afternoons. Unfortunately, they've preempted it today for a moonbat conclave ("anti-war demostration") happening in SF. I believe our friends ANSWER are the organizers.

Render,

Are those blogs financing independent reporters around the world?

Actually, Render, it's cool, just forget the question. Not interested in stirring anything up.

Not to worry, the Dems may be fuzzy on Eye-ran and the Norks, but they are on top of the Australian nuke threat, thanks to Rep. Harold Ford.

#193-194 Coggie

Yes. The first three are doing exactly that. Roggio and Yon are in your professional field.

No sweat. You asked, I answered.

SHAKEN
NOT
STIRRED,
R

Render,

I think those blogs fall largely into the category of "a guy with an opinion." Rockin' opinions, but that's about it.

Some of them are former military guys, and have even imbedded with military units, but that's a long way from being "the motor that drives news on the internet." The reality is that those blogs are eentsy-weentsy distributors of news.

Render

Those guys are the future, in a sense. No doubt. The current news organizations are in a panic right now over how to shift into the obvious model of future news distribution -- via the internet, or its next incarnation -- and still sell as much advertising. They'll figure it out.

And, lastly:

Your sign-offs really crack me up. Really funny.

Less funny,
Cognito.

#197 Cognito

Render,

I think those blogs fall largely into the category of "a guy with an opinion." Rockin' opinions, but that's about it.

Some of them are former military guys, and have even imbedded with military units, but that's a long way from being "the motor that drives news on the internet." The reality is that those blogs are eentsy-weentsy distributors of news.

Other than the fact that "reporters" who work for the MSM work for big distributors of news, how are they any different?

It is pretty darned hard to find anything in the media - any media - these days that does not fall into the category of "a guy with an opinion." Well, except for those that are outright "snake oil salesman."

The cleric stressed that the only move helping the US administration to escape its present crisis is unconditional withdrawal from Iraq.

Okay. How 'bout we work it like this: We back off a few clicks and then let the artillery & fly boys BLOW YOU TO KINGDOM F***ING COME? Then, as we swing by on the way out, we stick a straw in your otherwise worthless chunk of real estate and drain every last drop of oil?

It might not be "unconditional," but it is an expedited withdrawal.

/sweet jesus give me a reason

Winston, how far did u have to dig for the "False Always Retard Service? Sounds more like FART to me...

#198 Cognito

Render

Those guys are the future, in a sense. No doubt. The current news organizations are in a panic right now over how to shift into the obvious model of future news distribution -- via the internet, or its next incarnation -- and still sell as much advertising. They'll figure it out.

I'm not so sure they will. For that matter, it is a distinct possibility that if they do they may very well be too late. Kind of like being the guy who wrote a search engine algorithm 6 months after Google.

Zack, I hear you.

200 galloping granny.

I hear ya. The only advantage, really, to working for a big news organization is that they have adequate resources to do the hard job of sending people around the planet.

As for whether those people are being objective -- that's a whole night's worth of conversation. I've always said that lots of journalists -- the majority, by a good measure -- are delivering unbalanced reports.

Not all, though. Especially at the most basic level. There are lots of good-hearted people out there working for small, local newspapers, writing wonderful stories about the hometown minor league team, or the Homecoming parade.

Americans should be very righteously angry that these bastards are claiming any credit for manipulating our elections. They should take that anger to the media, to their neighbors and to the polls.

160 Mandy Manners -

Yes, Casey Sheehan has a headstone and has had one for several months. His father purchased one for him.

203 galloping granny,

it is a distinct possibility that if they do they may very well be too late.

You're half right, I think. It's very possible that "the media" as we know it could go poof in the next few decades. There could very well be no more ABC News, or whatever, quite soon.

But I'm saying this: There's an appetite for news, in the this country and around the world. It's expensive to go gather that news. It's dangerous, and hard. So the news organizations won't do it unless they can sell advertising. It's just a matter of how.

The face may change -- and I hope the political orientation does -- but the basic laws of suppy and demand still apply.

#65 beej

Indeed the idolworshippers of the Anglican church are affiliated with Islam, otherwise they wouldn't follow like good like dhimmis in a boycott of Israel.

Anglican group calls for Israel sanctions

and

Boycott of Israel grows as Anglican Church, Architect Association Join

and the Archbishop of the Anglican church is a Druid aswell, just a tad bit of extra information.

#205 Cognito

200 galloping granny.

I hear ya. The only advantage, really, to working for a big news organization is that they have adequate resources to do the hard job of sending people around the planet.

As for whether those people are being objective -- that's a whole night's worth of conversation. I've always said that lots of journalists -- the majority, by a good measure -- are delivering unbalanced reports.

Not all, though. Especially at the most basic level. There are lots of good-hearted people out there working for small, local newspapers, writing wonderful stories about the hometown minor league team, or the Homecoming parade.

There used to be lots of good-hearted people working for hometown papers, but there have not been any real hometown papers in a whole lot of the country in quite some while. My "hometown" paper is owned by the same nice folks that own the Boston Globe and just about every local newspaper in MA, VT and a chunk of NH - oh and lets not forget the St. Pete Times. All those things that used to make it "homey" - births, deaths, wedding announcements, who had to go to court - that is all gone. They print little or no local news, even major stories. Letters to the Editor are published only when they agree with the LLL POV and "world news" is 1/2 page on the front of the sports section.

I guess I don't need to tell you that nobody I know bothers to buy the paper. We haven't bought 2 issues in the last 5 years.

#195 Shiplord
Thanks for that link!

210 Galloping Granny,

You're right about those hometown papers, and it's sad. But like I said, the laws of supply and demand do apply, and so I expect someone will step in to fill that gap. Probably in the form of locally targeted blogs and web sites.

An online local paper, basically. It's just a matter of making it pay. The other possibility is that those small towns, needing local information, will themselves start up such online "papers" as public trusts.

#209 JCILOL

But not all Anglicans are idolworshipers. I'm a traditional, orthodox Episcopalian who is NOT supportive of the direction the revisionists have taken. I firmly support Israel.

209 JCILOL,

C.S. Lewis, who is roundly admired in American Protestant churches, was an Anglican, I believe.

Imagine this has been posted on lgf, but seemed very relevant to this thread.

CAIR Betting on Democrats (pop up link)
10/27/06

Not surprising to lgfers, but most Americans don't have a clue about CAIR.

#201

I agree with your sentiment. If killing a few tens of thousand of them would instill order, thereby saving even one American life, it'd be well worth it. It might even cause less Iraqi deaths in the long run.

OT

Pics of shootings and violence today in leftist-controlled Oaxaca (Photo Essay)

Includes a shot (excuse the expression) of Morlock operative Brad Will dead (or nearly so) on the sidewalk and some quite dramatic pics of the shooters. None of the latter resemble Karl Rove or Gordon Liddy (good makeup, no doubt).

Iron Fist,

I think we're in agreement, here -- right?

The market will decide. And I've used Fox News as an example many times before -- too many media outlets drifted to the left, and created a vacuum within a large segment of the market. Murdoch stepped in and -- what the? -- created a massive new outlet.

People were mystified. They shouldn't have been.

#213 As far as I'm concerned a crucifix is an idol and a clear breach of the 2nd commandment Ex.20:4-5
And last time I checked all Anglican churches has an crucifix at the altar.

#214 Cognito
Yep C.S. Lewis was an Anglican and an heretick.

Beware of C.S. Lewis

Uh-oh. This does not bode well.

Welp, we all seem to be hearing each other...

===

All news is opinion these days, (I suspect it always was). Some opinions are more informed than others. Some opinions are more biased than others.

The Alphabets, the MSM, and the DNC have already made their bias readily apparent and very obvious.

They think they will sell more advertising, (win elections), if we lose.

I think it is long past time when the NYTimes, LATimes, WashPoo, CNN, and CBS had their offices raided, their hard drives confiscated, their reporters and their editors jailed.

But that's just my opinion...

===

ah...those infernal sign-offs...

QUARK,
STRANGNESS,
AND
CHARM,
R

Iron Fist,

In further agreement, I'd say that

"a guy with an opinion." who is credible and verifiable

and has certain information-gathering skills is a journalist. And the opinion is optional.

#208 Cognito

203 galloping granny,

it is a distinct possibility that if they do they may very well be too late.

You're half right, I think. It's very possible that "the media" as we know it could go poof in the next few decades. There could very well be no more ABC News, or whatever, quite soon.

But I'm saying this: There's an appetite for news, in the this country and around the world. It's expensive to go gather that news. It's dangerous, and hard. So the news organizations won't do it unless they can sell advertising. It's just a matter of how.

The face may change -- and I hope the political orientation does -- but the basic laws of suppy and demand still apply.

Cognito, I think you are unfortunately old enough to not quite realize how very much computers and the Internet have changed the world and how fast change has become. Decades is a huge stretch.

Already kids that are 8,9,10 watch their favorite television shows online at their own convenience without even considering turning on the TV.

The top of the line technology sitting on your desktop this minute will be completely out of date in 5 years, fit for nothing but spare parts and the junk pile. The software you spend hundreds on today won't work on the machine you own in five years - or maybe 3.

Millions of people are very, very good with Photoshop - and digital cameras. Fauxtoshopping of the news isn't a good idea these days for news orgnizations that want credibility.

I don't bother to track ABC, but I do track the NYT and CNN. Their stock is tanking hand over fist - getting right down there close to junk bond. The NYT has cut its size, laid off hundreds and is now trying to rent out 5 of their floors of the brand new Times building still under construction. I hear a rumour the Boston Globe might be bought out. I think you're going to see a lot of media as we know it go poof - and pretty quickly at that.

If the MSM isn't selling advertising, that might be because there is a huge segment of the American public that has lost all trust in organizations like the NYT and CNN. Don't like CNN's position? Write the advertisers and boycott their goods.

You don't have decades. You don't have A decade. Five years tops. And I'll bet you're going to see a big crash or two a lot sooner than that.

What's a heretick?

I hate it when I'm right on these things.

"225 Amalie
A heretick is a person accused of heresy.

#221 Mike C. 10/28/2006 03:21PM PDT

Uh-oh. This does not bode well.

What in particular does not bode well?

#220

It may be as far as you're concerned, but not as far as I am. There is a tremendous difference between symbols and idols. I do not worship the cross; it is a symbol of my faith.

Galloping Granny,

I might be younger than you think. And you're right -- decades was too much. Years is more likely.

Already kids that are 8,9,10 watch their favorite television shows online at their own convenience without even considering turning on the TV.

My point is this: Somebody is producing those shows. Doesn't matter how the kid watches it. Television, online, or some combination -- same old product.

As for newspapers making money: Don't let the fat lady sing just yet. Grocery stores make about a three percent profit. You know how much newspapers make?

Thirty-three percent. It's mad cash.

This week's interim Friday Prayers Leader of Tehran also stated that the US Secretary of State has come to visit the region in a bid to fill all the regional states with the feeling of intimidation about Iran.

He reminded that the Islamic Republic of Iran has never aggressed against any other country in the last 27 years despite its military power, and addressing the neighboring states, said, "You must know that Iran is like your powerful brother who will certainly help you whenever you are in crisis."

You mean the crisis in Argentina in 1994, or in Lebanon for decades, or in Iraq since Saddam's downfall?

227 Jesus Mary Joseph And Christ

And who gets to sit in judgment of these hereticks?

Has Moby been going to church now?

I forget, who is the Lord Of The Riverdance?

JCILOL,

I think you mean heretic, unless you're joking.

And don't let's get started on C.S. Lewis.

# 228 g g

Sometimes when you leave the door open, friends walk in. Sometimes not. Time will tell, but I got doubts already.

I'm the God Of HellFire

I believe that trumps Jesus

Did I hear there's a discussion of Jesus Mary and Joseph?

And why can't we discuss CS Lewis?

(go out with the dogs and I'm outta the loop already)

About the American journalist who was killed in Oaxaca, he was stipped of his clothes by the local Marxicans as he lay bleeding to death on the street. Photos here...

[Link: markinmexico.blogspot.com...]

Hi Mike. Are you still Chinese?

Hi Amalie. Are you still the god of hellfire?

Mama Winger,

I suggested we steer clear of C.S. Lewis because somebody called him a heretic, and I have a hard time taking that sitting down.

Mama Winger

Yes! I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE!

Ohhh . . .open registration. I get it.

#230 Cognito 10/28/2006 03:28PM PDT

Galloping Granny,

I might be younger than you think. And you're right -- decades was too much. Years is more likely.

Already kids that are 8,9,10 watch their favorite television shows online at their own convenience without even considering turning on the TV.

My point is this: Somebody is producing those shows. Doesn't matter how the kid watches it. Television, online, or some combination -- same old product.

As for newspapers making money: Don't let the fat lady sing just yet. Grocery stores make about a three percent profit. You know how much newspapers make?

Thirty-three percent. It's mad cash.

People absolutely have to eat. Grocery stores have a captive market, a market that spends 20-30% of their income at the grocery store.

Once upon a time in the great long ago if you wanted to know what was happening in the world you had to buy a paper. Today you don't. 33% of nothing is not mad cash - it is zip, zilch, nada.

The Gray Lady has royally PO'd a whole lot of the American People. She is going down as surely as the Titanic.

#238 mama winger

Go back to 209 to catch up.

Something about this new preacher makes my mouth hang agape.

Yes! I AM THE GOD OF HELLFIRE!

Darn it! You always get the good costumes, Amalie. Now I have to be Princess again.

Cripes, I thought science had discovered some kinda new bloodsucker for a second there...

===

Heretic was a pretty good underground metal band, back in the late 80's...

===

That top o the line stuff on the desk? It will be obsolete in a matter of months.

This is the opinion of somebody who uses his top o the line stuff in kill or be killed on-line competition.

BIGGER
FASTER
MEANER,
R

238 Brenda,

Those photos are tragic and sad, and back up my earlier opinion that Brad Will was engaged in a very dangerous behavior. I can't say he shouldn't have been there -- heck, the photographer we're linking to was -- but his background seems to indicate an activist bent.

#242 Amalie,

You mentioned Me?

mama winger

Well, I do speak the language as well as your average Innuit.

Welcome Newbies. The candy's in the pumpkin - help yourself.

TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- Tehran’s interim Friday Prayers Leader Seyed Ahmad Khatami stressed that the savage and devilish performance of the US President George W Bush has placed Republicans in a very critical condition.

This from a nation of motherfuckers who authorized the bombing of a Jewish community center for the elderly in Argentina.

fluffy

If that was an intentional pun on "agape," it was brilliant. If it was accidental, it was inspired.

248 mama winger

Damn, I just burned my tongue. Belching hellfire can be hazardous.

#251 Satan 10/28/2006 03:37PM PDT

#242 Amalie,

You mentioned Me?

Could it be Satan?

Hey! How's it going, man?

Satan - Hellfire - Jesus Mary and Joseph

I feel like I'm back at Baptist Youth Camp.

OT

I am a new registrant, but am not new to LGF. I wanted to thank all of you for your posts over the years. I have been reading this blog since I found out about it while in Iraq in 03. There are many of us who took confort in all your words after being called terrible things by Congressmen and the press, most of whom know better.

More than anything, it was great to hear from people who know we are in a fight for our civilization and support us while we fight and build a new country from the rubble of an old one. So thank you from the bottom of our collective hearts.

Sincerely

CPT W
Bronze Star Recipient
OIF

#255 gotClass

Thanks!

I'm just wondering if the new guy in preacher clothes got it.

Dinner time!

#249 Render
That top o the line stuff on the desk? It will be obsolete in a matter of months.

This is the opinion of somebody who uses his top o the line stuff in kill or be killed on-line competition.

BIGGER
FASTER
MEANER,
R

Got to give you that. "Top of the Line" that isn't custom made is out of date before it ever hits the store, to say nothing of the desktop.

Same old same old. I haven't signed up for Ice Skating lessons yet.

:-P

{Amalie}

One of my favorite portrayals of Satan was by Elizabeth Hurley in Bedazzled. Whatever happened to Brendan Frasier? I loved hum.

#259 BSM ENGINEER 10/28/2006 03:40PM PDT

OT

I am a new registrant, but am not new to LGF. I wanted to thank all of you for your posts over the years. I have been reading this blog since I found out about it while in Iraq in 03. There are many of us who took confort in all your words after being called terrible things by Congressmen and the press, most of whom know better.

More than anything, it was great to hear from people who know we are in a fight for our civilization and support us while we fight and build a new country from the rubble of an old one. So thank you from the bottom of our collective hearts.

Sincerely

CPT W
Bronze Star Recipient
OIF

No, Captain. Thank YOU from the bottom of our collective hearts!

#259 BSM ENGINEER

Mama stands - applauds - cheers - cries

Thank you thank you thank you.

Thank you.

259 BSM Engineer

No, thank you! Thank all the men and women who serve this great country, if not for you, we wouldn't be here.

God Bless ~

Is it just me, or did things suddenly get a little weird here?