Murtha will be murthiless!

Insanity, thy name is Democrat

The President has, has no power.

Someone needs to re-read their highschool civics textbook.

We’re gonna say, here’s a plan that we have, and Speaker Pelosi has signed on the plan I have

He has a plan. They all have a plan.

I have no idea what the plan is. But he has a plan.

Redeploy to Okinawa, maybe?

I plan to have a beer.

Abtholutely murthiless!

Murtha isn't worth the spit it would take to spit on him.

what a drunkard

They're heeerrreee!

Lord have murthy on me..

The President has no power? The last time I checked, he was head of the executive branch. And this guy wants to be majority leader?

what a murtha f#@@r he is

Thank you PA geezers. "Just keep the check coming". F##k the "Greatest Generation"

What a dim little bulb he is.

It appears that Murtha's plan is to ignore the Constitution - which, I guess, is about par for the course.

Go for it, Murtha! It'll make the next election that much easier!

I really wonder about our elected representatives - they appear to not know the Constitution. Some of the pronouncements they make on what they will do, want to do, or what can't be done have no basis in even a loose reading of the Constitution. I guess this is why they call it a "living document" - so they can evolve it to support their positions after they take 'em.

#10 schlagerman

Exactly. They control the legislative branch, but the day-to-day running of things is still in GWB's hands...

"Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy."

Well, IF we consider them MEANS or GOALS or STRATEGIC METHODS, maybe you're right.

IF, however, we ABANDON WINNING then THAT is a STRATEGY of LOSS, Murtha!

Fuck you Murtha. You're a curmudgeonous, crusty, dirt bag. Time to retire old chap.

-The Tuna

Diana Irey - what the hell happened?

What is wrong with the voters in this country?
Is everyone a fucking retard?

I thought the bonkies would wait a week or two before saying anything this stupid. What was I thinking?

Is there no one else who wants this job?

#12 jdroll

F##k the "Greatest Generation"

Don't go there. My father is a proud WW2 veteran as independent as he is proud at 86.

Time to redeploy mindless Murtha.

What an asshat.

Let Murtha -the crotchety old buzzard- be the face of the democrat party.

bring it on.

Hey Charlie, does this mean you're going to finally admit that the budget surplus of the '90's belongs to the Republican Congress and not Bill Clinton?

Charlie? Charlie?

#18 FrogMarch

"Is everybody a fucking retard?"

Yes.

-The Tuna

hmmm..seems like murthafockers alzheimers is really starting to kick in. He really is a demented individual.

Doubt that's Hillary Clinton's perception of the presidency. What did her buddy say, "Stroke of the pen, law of the land. Cool."

Why does this remind me of Aslan being led to the slaughter?

Murtha-Focker. Anyone else seen Meet the Parents? I just can't refer to him otherwise...

The president has no power? What kind of statment is that to make? I am so sick of these politicians who think politics is like hockey or football. It's not, it's more like golf. We're supposed to play together, on the same team, towards the same goal. Keeping the motherland safe is not that hard of a concept to grasp.

#21

Don't go there. My father is a proud WW2 veteran as independent as he is proud at 86.

OK F##K the "Greatest Generation" waiting for their Gov't check living in W. Pa.

What an idiot.

Atleast NPR helps contain his nonsense. You know he felt like he was bonding with his tribe when on NPR. Was he on "All things distored"? If I hear someone who is not known as a moonbat they immediatley become suspect.

Don't worry!

All will be OK in the world

Condoleeezzza has appointed a secret weapon

#20 Gin blossom

When I saw your nic I thought you might be Murtha himself...it would surely fit the old bastard. Your post disabused me however.

From 60 Minutes Interview with Bob Woodward:

Mike Wallace: And then, this past March, General Abizaid visited Congressman John Murtha on Capitol Hill.

Bob Woodward: John Murtha is, in many ways, the soul and the conscience of the military, and he came out and said, "We need to get out of Iraq as soon as it's practical." And that sent a ten-thousand volt jolt through the White House.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

We’re gonna say, here’s a plan that we have, and Speaker Pelosi has signed on the plan I have

Plan your work, and work your plan. If you don't have a plan, you don't have to work. So I'm taking the day off to celebrate our victory. Speaker Pelosi is gonna be there, drop by and have a cold one with us!

/Sacasm Grande!

If Murtha's lower intestine would rise up and choke the living hell out of him as he rambles thru this bile, the US would be eternally grateful.

The Few.

The Cowardly.

The EXMarines.

#21 christheprofessor
#12 jdroll

My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer in the Pacific during WWII. He and his friends were truly great guys. He died years ago and I remember him fondly.

stability in Iraq comes from redeployment of our troops

I'm guessing he isnt talking about a redeployment to Iran and Syria.

/sarc

Murtha is one step ahead of federal prosecution.
Some shady deals...
He escaped ABSCAM by the skin of his teeth.

Ariana Huff N Puff is Murtha's bitch..

Don't let the DLC and DCCC spin-meisters fool you. This election was not a mandate for the Democratic Party to run to the middle. It was a mandate for the Democratic Party to do everything in its power to get us out of Iraq -- rapidly and responsibly.

And that's why the next thing Democrats need to do is make sure that Jack Murtha becomes the new Majority Leader of the House. He led the charge to make Iraq the central issue of this campaign, and led the charge to keep pressing the issue when other Democratic leaders wanted to tone down the rhetoric or move economic issues to the forefront.

Jack Murtha's leadership sparked last night's victory and has given Democrats control of Congress for the first time in a dozen years. Now they have to complete the end-the-Iraq-debacle mission the voters have given them. And Murtha's the leader who can take them the rest of the way.

[Link: www.huffingtonpost.com...]

"Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy."

"Depends on what "is" means"

/Bill

26 Tuna

Yes - and seriously--
What kind of idiot do you have to be to vote for this jerk?

Are democrat incumbents our new Oligarchy?

Democrat incumbents who have ruled in congress for decades are untouchable sacred cows.
And it's bullshit.

Murtha is lucky he hasn't sat a spell in the crossbar hotel, (ABSCAM unindicted conspirator)and the fact he is still in Congress says a lot for the voters in his district. Corruption doesn't matter if you are a Democrat it seems. Republicans resign and go home, Democrats are like a Timex watch, they take a licking and keep on ticking.

#22 jetprop

Too bad Murtha wasn't redeployed to retirement. Although I live in NC, as a native Pennsylvanian I'm greatly distressed that Murtha remains and Santorum is gone. Not only that Santorum lost, but he lost to an empty suit who avoided debates like the plague and rode the coattails of his father to victory. I'll wager my next paycheck that 75% of those who voted for Casey cannot explain his postion on any issue.

Murtha off of his meds again said,

The President can say all he wants to. The President has, has no power. The President is a, a perception of power. And he’s lost that power in this election.

Hey, Jackie boy, did you forget everything you learned in history class as a child? You know, the Constitution and all that jazz?

Of course, nada a peep about his little gem of a quote in any of the MSM.

Anyone out there know whether it's possible to recall Congressmen?

Not this old lush necessarily, but those unwitting moderate dupes who won Tuesday, a/k/a/ the useful idiots from red states.

Two days out and they're drunk with power, before the next session of Congress even starts.

Someone needs to pull W aside and remind him he's still in charge. These maniacs have to be slapped down hard.

Wow, is this what Pelosi meant by civility?

#48 skywarner 11/9/2006 06:37PM PST

Hey, Jackie boy, did you forget everything you learned in history class as a child? You know, the Constitution and all that jazz?

Constitution? What's that? Oh wait, thats right, its the document we have to protect enemies of the United States.

/lest I forget

And dont forget Rangle dissed Mississippi

#50 Elric66

Well, its not like they're spitting directly on the President.

The list of democrat committee leadership and comments piling up from these morons should have us speaking another language and praying five times a day in,oh...a few months.

The President Has No Power

...can't you all just feel Al-Quaeda QUAKING IN THEIR BOOTS with fear.
I mean, the leader of the free world has no power.

Murtha belongs at camp Pendleton in leg irons, not those poor marines that were doing their duty

This must be that "New age of bi-partisanism" That pelosi was speaking about.

It's gonna be an ugly two years!

#53 Kragar (Proud to be kafir) 11/9/2006 06:41PM PST

#50 Elric66

Well, its not like they're spitting directly on the President.

Not yet anyway

Scumbag Murtha:

"Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy."

So Murtha voted to send our troops into battle with no intention of winning?

We lost an election to these jackasses?

Shame on Republicans for not running footage of these treasonous idiots as they were voting yes to war in Iraq.  These morons who voted for the war then afterwards spun it into "Bush's War" and the GOP let them get away with it.

They didn't win the election, we forfeited the game by not even showing up to play.
 

#56 Drill_Thrawl 11/9/2006 06:41PM PST

This must be that "New age of bi-partisanism" That pelosi was speaking about.

It's gonna be an ugly two years!

I warned you all

Ariana has the hots for Murtha.. her blog is covered with Murtha stories..

Murtha, 74 and one of the most powerful Democrats in the House, had become a lightning rod because of his statements regarding Iraq.

For the past year, the influential congressman, who previously had been known for working behind the scenes, gained national prominence as a vocal critic of the Bush administration.

The day before the “Boot Murtha” rally at Cambria County War Memorial Arena, a “Veterans for Murtha” event in the city’s Central Park attracted high-profile Murtha allies including retired U.S. Army Gen. Wesley Clark and former Democratic U.S. Sen. Bob Kerrey.

[Link: www.tribune-democrat.com...]

# 40 MacGregor said

"My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer in the Pacific during WWII. He and his friends were truly great guys. He died years ago and I remember him fondly. "

MacGregor, thank you for your father's service to our country. Just like today, your father - and mine - were indeed of the greatest generations.

Just before his passing, I learned that my father was assigned to the 509th Composite Air Group as a grounds crewman on Tinian (yes, that 509th...). The Air Force made sure he was buried with full honors (even though it was the start of the Iraqi campaign at the time). I have to say that I honestly was never as proud of my dad as I was at that time and remain so to this day.

I did my part. I made a contribution to Diana Irey for Congress fund.
ABSCAM Murtha. What a piece of work. Wasn't convicted of bribery because of his honest nature, but because he refused a bribe that wasn't big enough. In 08 I'll send an even bigger contribution to his opponent.

Hey Guys... The Greatest Generation (tm) did great things for this country in their youth. Suffered the depression and won WW2.

Unfortunately, in their old age, they have gotten the entitlment bandwagon and (because of their age) could give a rip about what the results might be in 10 or 15 years.

They figure they paid their dues.

JammieWearingPants

Jammie...

Ariana is pimping Murtha..

How come?

#46 HDrepub

Corruption doesn't matter if you are a Democrat it seems. Republicans resign and go home,

I think Marion barry, Alcee Hastings, Gerry Stubbs would tend to agree. In fact, I'll lay pretty good odds old Jim Trafficant gets re-elected when he gets out of Jail, unless forbidden by election law from running

Democrats are like a Timex watch, they take a licking and keep on ticking.

Leave president Clinton out of this

Hey, Jacko,

Take any money from FBI agents dressed as Saudis lately? Or this time have you managed to find the real thing?

#40

My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer

Here in W.Pa there's many who served in WW II.
But they're 75-85 years old and will vote to keep their check. So to the rest of us they say : " F##k you and the world you live in"

#40 MacGregor

My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer in the Pacific during WWII. He and his friends were truly great guys. He died years ago and I remember him fondly.

God Bless your Dad and his buddies. Those guys had guts!

In a related story;

Boxer pledges shift on global warming policy with new Senate role

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) - Sen. Barbara Boxer on Thursday promised major policy shifts on global warming, air quality and toxic-waste cleanup as she prepares to head the U.S. Senate's environmental committee.

''Time is running out, and we need to move forward on this,'' Boxer said of global warming during a conference call with reporters. ''The states are beginning to take steps, and we need to take steps as well.''

Boxer's elevation to chairwoman of the Senate Environmental Public Works Committee comes as the Democrats return to power in the Senate. It also marks a dramatic shift in ideology for the panel.

The California Democrat is one of the Senate's most liberal members and replaces one of the most conservative senators, Republican James Inhofe of Oklahoma. Inhofe had blocked bills seeking to cut the greenhouse gases contributing to global warming, calling the issue ''the greatest hoax perpetrated on the American people.''

Translation; Fuck the economy, we've got pseudoscience and wackos to suck up to.

Let Murtha run for speaker. Let him win. It will hasten the snapback to the right in 08. Dems under his leadership will do one of 2 things:
1) Fight amongst themselves as the moderates (yes like Hilary) will have no choice but to distance themselves from extremism to remain viable.

2) All but a few will tip so far over to the left so far that even the msm will notice and use the socialist label to describe their positions.

#67 jrdroll 11/9/2006 06:46PM PST
#40

My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer

Here in W.Pa there's many who served in WW II.
But they're 75-85 years old and will vote to keep their check. So to the rest of us they say : " F##k you and the world you live in"

Be glad you aren't saying it in German

;)

It's rather ironic reading the lamestream press telling us the GOP got "trounced". Bull F'ing shit!

Most of these races were so close they were within a few thousand votes of going the other way.

Someone tell this wrinkled old fat tub of goo Murtha-fu*ker he needs to go re-read the constitution.

President Bush's signature alone can (and will) stop dead on the tracks what these 535 elected representatives and senators would like to see, with almost zero chance of being over-ridden by the 2/3's majority needed.

And Murtha insists the President has no power? The guy's a raving lunatic!

Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy.

Losing and defeat is a strategy? Murtha the Menace has a rotten brain.

#47 schlagerman

It's frustrating, I just don't understand why Americans rejected the likes of Santorum and think Madcap Murtha is a keeper.

Pelosi should do the right thing and demand Murtha's resignation.

#75 jetprop 11/9/2006 06:50PM PST

#47 schlagerman

It's frustrating, I just don't understand why Americans rejected the likes of Santorum and think Madcap Murtha is a keeper.

Pelosi should do the right thing and demand Murtha's resignation.

No, let him talk. Let the retarded Americans see what they voted in.

And his buddy Charlie Rangel has some kind words for those in Mississippi.

Drop dead.

Yes, the true face of the party of compassion shines through.

Murtha's a piece of work. Has anyone reminded the public that Murtha was a few steps away from being a convicted felon because of his involvement in abscam?

#67 jrdroll 11/9/2006 06:46PM PST
#40

Here in W.Pa there's many who served in WW II.
But they're 75-85 years old and will vote to keep their check. So to the rest of us they say : " F##k you and the world you live in"

I don't see them thinking in that sort of selfish way. Not too many of them left to support anyway. It's the least we can do for 'em.

58 William

So true.
Enough can't be said about HOW LAME THE REPUBLICAN CAMPAIGNS were this year.
Horrible. Dated. Lame. Week. It's as if they wanted to lose. What a let down.

and the Democrats don't even have a clue about anything but whine blame and complain, ruin our efforts in the war on terror, abandon our troops, raise taxes, promising more bullshit welfare and nanny-state entitlements. Etc…

I am beyond disgusted.

Don't let Murtha get anywhere near Vince Lombardis grave.

We'll have to dig the old football coach back in if he does.

IS
EVERYTHING,
R

Murtha: "The President has, has no power. The President is a, a perception of power. And he’s lost that power in this election."

He is right, from the standpoint of purse strings. Congress controls the purse. The president runs the implementation.

Congess has the right and the power to remove the purse.

Not that I think its the right thing to do - to be clear. However, as much as the partisan in me wishes for a a Speaker Murtha, the patriot wishes for a solid moderate speaker. Even a leftist hawk.

No cut and run.

week = weak.

#58 William: We're not losing to Murtha in particular, but to a decades-long effort by America's enemies to keep Americans ignorant of our human capacity to KNOW and to LOVE.

Not being in touch with our purpose in life (to KNOW and to LOVE) causes us to be out of touch with FUNCTION.

So Socialists, Fascists and Muslims (among others) can easily convince Americans (and others) that THIS (insane, demeaning, hateful, irrational) ACT is a legitimate function...

Hence the idiotarians and their useful enabler-idiots...

Cutting and running is a strategy. . . for defeat and bloodier future wars.

Now that the election's over it's safe to have stories like this on the front page of MSNBC

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

Official: 150,000 Iraqis killed by insurgents

VIENNA, Austria - About 150,000 Iraqis have been killed by insurgents since the U.S.-led invasion more than three years ago, a senior Iraqi official said Thursday.

Don Bailey (D.Pa) saved Murtha's ass during Abscam. Murtha then ran against Bailey after a redistricting

I was, to be honest, critical about how you misled me about ABSCAM where you convinced me you had voluntarily told federal agents about the offer of money to you and I learned later, after I had successfully defeated the ethics charges against you, that you had merely manipulated the system to cooperate with federal agents to avoid prosecution.

Dear Jack,

How long before a few million Independents out there regret their votes last Tuesday?

#72

Be glad you aren't saying it in German

Might be saying it in Arabic in the future. Allah Akbur give me the SS check.

#79 Frogmarch: could there be a method of collective decision-making that equals or surpasses America's?

Is this a good time to rationally examine radically improving the American system?

WHAT IS THEIR PLAN?

Seriously!

I found myself at the Jim Webb acceptance speech today, and I have some awesome tape of me asking him if he's going to vote to defund the troops in Iraq. He looks me right in the eye and answers but it's not an answer.

How did the Dhims win on an agenda of nothingness?

No power. Didn't TR send the Navy half way around the world and then tell Congress, YOU get them back. They had to pony up the dough to follow the CIC's orders.

No power.

Murtha, you have no class. No honor. No sense of duty.

Does Rep. Murtha have a mental problem? I can't see any real use in what he does - politically, it's stupid at this point to go on that way, when everyone else is trying to get something fricking done.

Dissing the Executive Branch is a good way to start.

And since when is "redeploying" any more a fricking "strategy" than "winning"?

Brain damage? God, I wish he had lost.

#73 bob in breckenridge:

Ah, yes the veto power that he hasn't once used, even when such a move would have inspired his base and rallied the GOP conservatives. Will he trot it out now, in his final two years? Who knows.

But Murtha doesn't have any clue about history either. Despite facing a hostile congress, Clinton still managed to send the military on missions, in Bosnia for example; or as a lame duck, dealing with Iraq.

Murtha also fails to realize that if the Democrats want to pen any successes in the next two years, they have to produce. If they don't, they're going to end up right back where they were - in the minority. Bush has already done his two terms.

Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy.

But cutting and running like craven cowards, that's a strategy!

Gather evidence, do them for treason.

Cluelessness,

Thy name is Murtha.

And - someone explain to me how "redeploying" out of a war zone is anything other than cutting and running.

Remember the movie "Advance to the Rear?" Reminds me of Rep. Murtha's "strategy.

#87 Deuce How long before a few million Independents out there regret their votes last Tuesday?

I think alot already do.

Other Les:

Treason?

Treason?

We no longer muster the will.

Why are this man's statements given any credence?

This man was former military? Unbelievable. Simply unbelievable.

#78 mac

I don't see them thinking in that sort of selfish way. Not too many of them left to support anyway. It's the least we can do for 'em.

Do you live in W.Pa? Geezers are in the majority. The least we can do tell 'em to f##k off.

i don't have the numbers in hand, but alot of ww11 vets pass away every week. G-d bless them all.they earned thier check.

The Progressives are coming!

The Progressives are coming!

They're moving in this direction too!

Let's celebrate with a Progressive song!

89 Carridine

I'd love to improve the system.
How?

The elite leftist media (most of whom own second homes in Aspen) along with leftist Hollywood, leftist college professors, the leftist congress Oligarchy etc... all controll everything.
and the Republicans are all out golfing.

got any suggestions?

#71 BamaDad,

Good God! I never thought I'd live to see the day when a reasonable person could point to Hillary Clinton as one of the voices of reason within the Democratic party.

/grabs for Rolaids.

The only thing they can do is refuse to fund the troops. They do not get to decide where and how they're deployed. So let them explain why they're cutting off money for the troops. Go ahead. Make our day.

President has, has no power.

So why is everything his fault?

# 99 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

Other Les:

Treason?

Treason?

We no longer muster the will.

I know...

Murtha is a loon. He is not the problem, the problem lies with those who listen and place value on his opinions.

I still can't believe the margins in the races in PA... The results were hard enough to believe-especially when Rendell essentially endorsed Santorum but Santorum lost with nearly the exact same ratio as Swann. As for Murtha winning... I just can't think of anything to say but abscam part 2 needs to come around...

#100 GeeWiz: his comments are given credence BECAUSE he represents people in America who are unwilling to exert the effort to THINK for themselves; unwilling to learn LOGIC; unwilling to do much more than mouth memes and tropes; unwilling to STUDY American history or world history; unwilling to stand FOR America in any real way...

THAT's why!

#108 legalpad

How dare you bring logic into this discussion?

/s

Other Les:

Thought that might be the case. Actually, was worried it was. :-(

OT:

US citizens face trial in Vietnam

Three US citizens and four Vietnamese are due to go on trial in Vietnam charged with terrorism.

The seven are accused of attempting to set up illegal transmitters to make anti-communist radio broadcasts inside the country.

The case may complicate ties with the US ahead of President George W Bush's visit to Vietnam next week and a Congressional vote on trade relations.

The trial in Ho Chi Minh City is expected to last no more than a day.

Local press reports have linked the seven people to a California-based anti-communist organisation called the Government of Free Vietnam.

Making anti-communist radio broadcasts is terrorism?

#112 carridine

Sorry, I understand that, I should have used the /s, after my post.

#85 luigi:

I noted that on one of the earlier threads. There's not much there there either. They got some Iraqi official to speculate on the figure, and thought that 150k sounded about right.

That's 500,000 less than the Lancet study.

Completely OT:
Oh, and just saw the debut commercial for Spiderman 3... holy jeebus. I think they've got themselves a winner. Nothing quite like a battle between good and evil to whet the appetite.

Rutgers is down by 3 in the 3d quarter: 25-22, Louisville leading. Wow. Just Wow.

#105 FrogMarch: here's a start...

Or another aspect, for Americans...

#102 jrdroll 11/9/2006 07:02PM PST

#78 mac

I don't see them thinking in that sort of selfish way. Not too many of them left to support anyway. It's the least we can do for 'em.

Do you live in W.Pa? Geezers are in the majority. The least we can do tell 'em to f##k off.

True I don't live in W.Pa. In CT these guys came back as enterpreneurs and were very successful. And man, did they like to party!

108 legalpad 11/9/2006 07:04PM PST

"President has, has no power.

So why is everything his fault?"

Bravo!

They are the picture of sore losers.

Here's a good question I'll follow up on.

Who here really thinks this election was stolen by the democrats?

106 Bill

Hillary Clinton is a big fat phony. In my opinion that is more dangerous. Nobody knows where she really stands because she keeps moving the goal posts, while the media happily plays duck and cover for her. One thing is for sure, she has big plans to 'take things away from us for the "common good"'.

Mark my words: Over the next 2 years the DNC/MSM are going to ever so slyly get everyone to feel something positive about Mrs. two-faced fence-dweller. The media are going to drip a steady stream of pro-Hillary pro-Hillary pro-Hillary manipulation and it's going to be breath-taking.

#40 MacGregor 11/9/2006 06:36PM PST
#21 christheprofessor
#12 jdroll

My father flew hellcats off the USS Boxer in the Pacific during WWII. He and his friends were truly great guys. He died years ago and I remember him fondly.

As long as we are throwing family history around here’s what my Dad did during the big one. (This might make an interesting thread for Veterans Day.)

My Dad was one of the cooks that found himself stalking German tanks with a bazooka during the battle of the bulge.

Maj. John P. Murtha, with all due respect, Sir, exactly what part of the second verse of Out Marine Corps Hymn don't you understand, Sir.

First to fight for right and freedom,
And to keep our honor clean,
We are proud to claim the title
Of United States Marines

Under normal circumstances I would wish you a Happy 231st Birthday, but you do not deserve to claim the title of United States Marine, traitor, yes.

Well, I guess it's safe to say that the dems will make fools of themselves over the next two years. The interest for us will be just how much of the foolishness will be reported in the MSM and how much will Joe six-pack absorb. (I use the term Joe six-pack in a most liberal way).

This just in:

Ken Melman is out.

Michael Steele is in.
 

This is gonna be so much fun.

Murtha & Pelosi, along with Howlin' Howard are the brain trust of the Democratic Socialist-Moonbat coalition. Stupidity and lack of imagination are characteristics I value in an enemy.

#125 William

I like it...

They should bury him with full military honors...he does not actually have to be dead either.

We’re gonna say, here’s a plan that we have, and Speaker Pelosi has signed on to the plan I have, stability in the Middle East, stability in Iraq comes from redeployment of our troops, and that’s gonna be what we’ll work for.

I guess we should expect to see an insurgency in Okinawa. You know, because of our occupation.

#123 MarineGrunt

Thank you sir for your service and thank you for calling a spade a spade even if he is one of your own. KUDOS!

118 Carridine

That sounds nice, thanks. I'll read those sometime. right now i'm pissed off, even more cynical than usual and extremely grouchy.
Feeling the love just aint going to do it for me right now.

Maybe in a week or two.

#119 mac

True I don't live in W.Pa. In CT these guys came back as enterpreneurs and were very successful.

Here they came back and fit into the corp/gov't mindset. Here in W. Pa the geezers are doing an eternal "New Deal".

My Dad actually fought against the French in North Africa, for about a week, before they surrendered.

#125

News that Steele really is in (cool) or just hoping for it?

#118 carridine
Grew up within walking distance
Baha'i Temple

Murtha is a disgrace to both the nation and his branch of the US military...

#122 Da_Beerfreak

Showing my lack of age a bit, but my grand-dad was toting a BAR in the Bulge... never talked about it though...

I am loathing Rep. John Murtha more than ever. This guy is a joke to the US Marines and a joke to the nation.

That man is a disgrace...

jrdroll

What is it with you and old people? I value my father and his sibs (all in their 70s and 80s)...

Mr. Murtha,

Winning the war is a great strategy. Running away will not stabilize anything. Concerning the President, go read the constitution again and think about what you've said. While your doing that, think about this. Your not worth the salt in my piss.

Here's what Elmer Murtha really said:

Regarding Iraq

Winning is not a stwategy, victowy is not a stwategy.

What the Dems will do:

We’we gonna say, hewe’s a pwan that we have, and Speakew Pewosi has signed on to the pwan I have, stabiwity in the Middwe East, stabiwity in Iwaq comes fwom wedepwoyment of ouw twoops, and that’s gonna be what we’ww wowk fow.

On the Presidency:

Wisten, this is not a dictatowship. De Pwesident can say aww he wants to. De Pwesident has, has no powew. De Pwesident is a, a pewception of powew. And he’s wost that powew in this ewection, uh-hah-hah-hah.

#56 Drill_Thrawl 11/9/2006 06:41PM PST

This must be that "New age of bi-partisanism" That pelosi was speaking about.

It's gonna be an ugly two years!

The uglier the better. They don’t realize how big of a hole they dug for themselves by winning this time around. The best thing we can do now is give them a bigger shovel (after all that’s what Murtha really wants) and sit back and watch them dig. They are going to implode all on their own. The sooner the better for all of us.

#133 jrdroll

No kidding... I feel as if I've moved to the United Socialist Commonwealth of Pennsylvania-istan...

OT:

Try this link to, like, Michael Moore.

It's like so totally valley girl.

# 134 easy

My Dad actually fought against the French in North Africa, for about a week, before they surrendered.

So the French were for fighting the Allies before they were against it. Non?

#137 Odinist

Showing my lack of age a bit, but my grand-dad was toting a BAR in the Bulge... never talked about it though...

They never do. Not memories they want to relive. I have WWII vets in my family and they are the same, don't want the nightmares to start up again...

#33 Bushleague

Atleast NPR helps contain his nonsense. You know he felt like he was bonding with his tribe when on NPR. Was he on "All things distored"?

Or Morning Sedition?

Is Murthafocker just reciting what passes for civics in the western part of Pennsyltucky?

Murtha versus Lollopelosi for Speaker of the House? The Founding Fathers are spinning.

"Here's a good question I'll follow up on.

Who here really thinks this election was stolen by the democrats? "

OK long enough, nobody jumped on it. Our side lost an election and we don't have ambulance chasers running up and down the halls with injungements in hand. I think that tempered and realistic reaction coupled with Dem's hysteria to elections, win or lose, assures me i'm on the right side of things.

#18

Unfortunately, America appears to have become a nation of parasites. Willing to vote for whomever promises them a bigger piece of the federal pie regardless of how much, if any, ingredients they've put into it. Then you have the so-called republican's who stayed home, or voted other than republican because they wanted to protest spending, immigration, or whatever ball they wanted to play with.

I certainly don't wish Murtha any harm, but it would definitely warm my heart if he, and Pelogosi would go kiss a Semi-Truck grill in the middle of the nearest freeway some dark evening. Then again, I would also encourage all who made a protest vote AGAINST the republican party this past Tuesday do the same.

Thankfully, my Son won't be being deployed anywhere near the middle east for a while. He gets to spend at least a year in relative safety after traversing the sand box over a dozen times these past ten years.

If the Dem's get win again in 08, and take the oval office, I'll be pleading him not to re-enlist as it is readily apparent many of the voters for the winning party this past Tuesday aren't worth losing one hair on his head. I'd much prefer bringing the fight home where we can have some control the field.

#47 schlagerman

Making those bets wouldn't be worth all the grief you would have to go through explaining that "I have a plan, they have no plan" isn't a policy position.

#108 legalpad

Great point, at least moving forward. We need to remember Mothra's words when a few months from now everything is still Bush's fault.

I haven't seen the news today. Since the Dems are in power has peace broke out in Iraq today?

No bombings? No violence?

jrdroll

I should point out that you did qualify your earlier comment by saying in Western PA...

That said, that's not enough. You owe WW2 vets in PA an apology...

# 149 9Iron

"Here's a good question I'll follow up on.

Who here really thinks this election was stolen by the democrats? "

Oh, I don't doubt that there was some cheating going on. Democrats are Democrats after all. But it really helps the other side when our guys are botching the job.

#150

PIMF
we can have some control the field.

S/B

we can have some control 'of' the field.

#93 lawhawk-

Exactly my point! Great minds think alike. The power of the Presidency trumps all others. Clinton proved that.

#146 Other Les:

No, the French are much more nuanced than that:

1) Fought (sort of) against the Germans in 1940. Surrendered formed the Vichy French (German Allied).

2) Colonies in west Africa still under Vichy control when we invaded Morrocco and Algieria in late 1942. Fought for a week (or maybe 15 minutes) to 'assuage honor' (snort)... then surrendered.

3) Handful of French escaped to England in 1940 and fought on as Free French until the end of the war (with the Allies).

Confused? Join the club.

I have to agree.. With demorats in power I'd say leave military.. let them learn what war is in the streets of San Fran and Boston.. then we'll see if america can pull itself outa their mess.

Here's a disturbing piece from the Telegraph:

The next batch of terrorists are still in the classroom

The big concern now is the number of young jihadis on MI5's radar who are linked to plots involving suicide tactics. They differ from people like Dihren Barot, jailed this week for 40 years after admitting a plot to kill thousands of his fellow citizens.

advertisementBarot was a fanatic long before September 11, 2001 and had joined an Islamic group in the mid-1990s in Kashmir. He is proof that al-Qa'eda had its eyes on Britain long ago.

However, the next crop of terrorists are still at school, preparing for their GCSEs or A-levels. They are probably bright, politically interested and easily susceptible to the ideology of victimhood. They receive a daily diet of anti-western propaganda through TV stations and websites.

Almost certainly, they will be of Pakistani background, though some will be white converts to Islam. It is the Pakistan link that makes Britain so important to al-Qa'eda.

What has become increasingly clear to MI5 in recent months is that most of the plots are being run directly by al-Qa'eda leaders based in Pakistan. British Muslims whose families are from the area can travel to and fro to visit relatives without arousing any obvious suspicion.

It means potential jihadis can be identified and recruited in Pakistan or those who have already been radicalised can go to training camps there.

It also means that al-Qa'eda can use Britain as a springboard for attacks on America, as they allegedly tried to in the summer.

In short, Britain has become al-Qa'eda's most important western base and that explains the regularity of warnings about plots. It also explains why there is so much exhortation, resented though it is, of Muslim parents to keep a watch on their offspring for signs that they may have fallen into the clutches of the jihadists.

I think there are some high level people in the UK who are finally getting it.

They are al-Qa'eda's potential recruits. They have already spawned at least 20 suicide bombers, actual or intended. And their numbers are growing.

#101 Cartman-
Benedict Arnold was also prior military.

#150 Afdad

A obviously successful commercial for Jim Webb started out with a woman saying, "My name is Scarlett Moonbeam(whatever)and George Allen has done nothing for me and my family."

Can someone tell me where I am wrong, is a Senator supposed to do anything "for" you? Am I just too conservative. I don't get it.

Sigh

Hey you can't bring up Murtha and ABSCAM.

Remember this election was about throwing out the crooked pols in DC.

I musta missed the small print that said

*except if they are democrats. Your mileage may very. Price assumes a $5,000 downpayment from George Soros and a 24 month term.

I have some really bad news for the Dimocrats tonight. It looks like your first task is to find a new enemy to blame for high gas prices.

Went up 14¢ a gallon here tonight.

My dad was a cannoneer, horseshoer and mule pack driver with Battery A, 605th Field Artillery Battalion of the famed WW2 10th Mountain Division. Won a bronze star medal 04/29/45 for intrepidity in action against German forces at Torbole, Italy. He later died from a self inflicted gunshot wound on Dec. 28th, 1976. Ironic, eh?

#150 afdad

I couldn't blame anyone for wanting to stay out of the military should sHillery become president.

It's the only sensible thing to do. Let the moonbats fight for her.

#61 skywarner

I had an Instructor back in tech school (early 70’s) that was part of the ground crew for the Enola Gay. He told the class that they didn’t know what they had loaded until after the first one was dropped of Japan. They all thought it was going to be a TV guided bomb, they were damn surprised when they found out what it really was!

In the 80’s I worked with a guy who was one of the Boeing engineers’ that was part of the group that designed the B 29. He started at Boeing before WWII working on the B 17.

How would you like to be a military recruiter about right now?

Since Elmer Murtha is such a pal of the military, guess he's got a plan to keep the enrollment up?

Whudda yah say Elmer?

#164 HDRepublic

My sympathies... And my glass is raised to him (clink!) and his comrades. May they all find peace...

#164 HDrepub

Not so much ironic as just a damn shame.

Sorry about your Dad.

#164

Sorry to hear that. That is very sad.

The Iraqi Government may provide the Dems with a 'plan':

Moderate Sunni Muslims, meanwhile, threatened to walk away from politics and pick up guns, while the Shiite-dominated government renewed pressure on the United States to unleash the Iraqi army and claimed it could crush violence in six months.

#153 ctp

I should point out that you did qualify your earlier comment by saying in Western PA...

That said, that's not enough. You owe WW2 vets in PA an apology...

No I don't. These geezers in W. Pa feel that Gov't OWES them. The geezers do not give two shiites about your future problems. So it is nice about your granpa. I say that the geriatric class in W. Pa. are a bunch of whining Libs looking for more Gov't.

Thanks GeeWiz, I consider myself Joe 12 pack! :)

12 pack of steinlager, though...

alright you want murtha as valley girl?

(October 5, 2006) Congressman Murtha is like totally quoted in Bob Woodward's book, “State of Denial” - Pg. 423-424 read more…

The Road to Withdrawal By Kenneth R. Timmerman

The real limiting factor on the new Democratic Party majority, however, will not be the White House, its own left-wing, or the Iraqi government of Prime Minister al-Malaki.

It will be Iran, and Iran’s allies in Europe and the United Nations.

We cannot defeat the insurgency in Iraq and bring U.S. troops home without defeating the regime in Iran, because Iran has been funding, training, and supplying the weapons to the Iraqi insurgents.

And we cannot defeat the Tehran regime without a comprehensive policy to do so - which neither the White House, the Pentagon, nor Congressional Democrats have been willing to craft. ...

But Bob Gates, as Secretary of Defense nominated by the president with the blessing of the new Democrat majority, will not. He will be able to carry out the dramatic shift in policies the Democrats and their allies in the Brent Scowcroft wing of the Republican Party have been clamoring for, behind the fig leaf of bipartisanship.

I have a great deal of respect for Bob Gates. Not only is he personally brilliant; he understands the way government works and specifically, how to cut through huge bureaucracies to accomplish his goals.

And that is precisely my fear.

The last thing we need to do is turn Iraq over to financial, military, and intelligence controllers sitting in Tehran, as the price of bringing the troops back home.

But that a deal I believe Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid are prepared to make, as long as the proposal comes from Republicans or from a bipartisan commission that gives them political cover.

[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

#172 jrdroll

No I don't. These geezers in W. Pa feel that Gov't OWES them.

The government does owe them. And so do you and the rest of us.

Actually, it doesn't bother me a bit if Murtha becomes the House Majority Leader. Bring it on. The more the Dems show their true colors, the more appalled American voters will become. The better the chance for a return to sanity in '08.

Time to make some popcorn.

#164 HDrepub

Sorry also to hear about your dad.

I just got back from a work trip, and besides the local (OH) races, the first thing I see is Freeking Bill Maher on Larry K.

What a tool.

Is outing people you disagree with politically the new debate form of the open minded, liberal left? What's next, finding out if white republicans have a little black in 'em? Is this really where politics are heading?

Larry should have cut his mic and kicked him off the show, but he's just a good dose of penicillin away from being brain dead (med school / vd / vd joke).

Anyway, I'm sure the next 2 years will now be much better. Just super sure of it.

Oh, rubbish! You have no power here. Begone, before somebody drops a house on you, too.

#165 vet..

They won't. We all know that.
When the time comes that we need troops there will have to be a draft.
Then we will see how much the Dems care for the poor and lower class when they start rolling out the college deferments.

muck furtha

163 goodbye_natalie

Went up 14¢ a gallon here tonight.

Bush still controls the gas prices, even though he has no power. He is punishing the voters of America, don't ya see?

/sarc

#172 jrdroll

I'm not speaking of my grandfather, asshole, I'm speaking of my father. World War 2 generation, combat veteran, but would never tell you or me.

So concerned about our future that, at his age, he and his wife (my mother died years ago and he's remarried) are raising my teenage nephews.

Fuck you for referring to my father so derisively as "grandpa".

I honor my father -- your commentary here makes me wonder what you do about yours...

With these elections, the way they worked out and the perceptions being put forth about the Prez, change of Secretary of Defense. I hate to imagine what this can do to enlistment. I believe part of enlistment success is when people have confidence in their leadership, not just the President, but his power and what other branches of government can do to undermine him and send perceptions to many that might make them uncomfortable. We shall see.

#161 CV

Yep! That's the parasitic mindset that's been ingrained by the 'Public' school system these past fifty + years. What's really telling though is the 'rich' liberals always spouting that line about helping poor people, but I've yet to hear of one of those multi-millionaire members of Congress actually taking money out of their pockets.

It's always the taxpayers who foot the bill. I have a quick question since many of these lib scum elitists are so wealthy. Why aren't they donating their salary to the poor? I'm not talking about donating their time either. I mean actual cash. If any are, I've not heard of it. At least not in significant numbers that rise above minuscule percentages anyway.

Buyer's remorse... it's a bitch!

Doesn't Murtha have early dementia?

... and to boot, had to listen to my manager talk about how gas prices went down before the election - just sure that Bush and his cronies did that for the election.

I had to bite my tongue, but my thought was if he had that kind of power, why the hell would he mess with being president? Why let the prices rise in the first place?

#182

Unfortunately, that's when Civil War II starts.

#103 hayseed 11/9/2006 07:03PM PST
... and others

i don't have the numbers in hand, but alot of ww11 vets pass away every week. G-d bless them all.they earned thier check.

Problem is nobody has threatened to take away their checks. But the dems and their willing accomplices in the media have convinced them that even the words, "Social Security Reform" mean that no more SS will be coming their way. Bloody liars and idjits all.

When looking at the fault tree and failure analysis of why this election was lost, one of the root causes is the lamestream media [Yeah, I'm pi$$ed]. We have a strong, yellow journalist, slanted and unabashedly biased mainstream media that controls the news that a huge majority of our fellow countrymen rely upon for all of their news and information. For the past 7+ years, these yellow journalists have produced nothing but shrieking hysteria and a steady stream of attacks against the current president and the Republican controlled congress. Given the number of people who are dependent upon only that media for their news, it's amazing the Republicans have held on as long as they have. Readers of this blog don't need to have examples of the one-sided slanted coverage from the media, there are many here who have dedicated significant effort to documenting that bias. The real question is how this can be overcome in the coming years. There is no doubt that the willing media who has already carried the water and the day for the Dems during the past several years is going to paint the dems controlling the congress as level-headed and reasonable in all of their propositions while painting the minority party and President Bush as obstructionist and obstinate in opposing any and all of the reasonable propositions by the oh-so-intelligent dems. So, knowing the problem, how can this be overcome in the next several years? I'm not so naive as to believe that both houses will be re-captured in the next two years unless something happens due to the policies of the dems that they can't lay at Bush's feet. However, something has to be done to start breaking more people free of the hold of the propagandists in the main stream media.

There are other root causes for this loss, one of the others being that the Republicans gave up their souls in the effort to "get along" and moved left, so I'm not saying that there is only one reason we lost, but one of the hardest to fix is going to be the biased media problem.

Just as an example (I know, I said this wasn't necessary), after every election since 1994, just a couple of days after each election, the media pundits and hosts have always opined on what the dems need to do to win the next election. Show of hands from all who have seen them doing the same thing vis a vis the Republicans. Anybody?

[I could be wrong, but I bet all I hear is crickets]

Just remember kiddies.

Carter begat Reagan.

#166 Da_beerfreak

I have a friend, a retired Boeing engineer, who helped designed the first 747. I bet your co-worker has told you some great stories from his experiences.

stability in Iraq comes from redeployment of our troops,

Iraq was 'stable' before the US arrived.
He really would have liked to seen Saddam remain in power.

188 be the meat

Buyer's remorse... it's a bitch!

Yup, and this ain't Wal-Mart where you can take it back for a refund, no questions asked. Or Sears, satisfaction guaranteed or your money back.

#172 jrdroll

I agree, W.PA has a strange relationship with the Democrat's... on an individual basis, most people's beliefs are conservative... but they still vote straight ticket Democrat because "the Democrats are the working man's party"...

And nothing will change their mind...

#127 maddogg 11/9/2006 07:19PM PST
Murtha & Pelosi, along with Howlin' Howard are the brain trust of the Democratic Socialist-Moonbat coalition. Stupidity and lack of imagination are characteristics I value in an enemy.

LOL
And don’t forget a great big dose of insanity to even things out.

#191 vet

At the very least things will get ugly.

That was such a bunch of crap in Vietnam. Its also why so many in the education field are flaming libs.

193 Hous Bin ...

You are right! Folks, I'm feeling frightened tonight with these guys on the throat of our nation, but this might be strategically GOOD. Now, while we are NOT electing a president, we get this dose of idiocy. By the time 08 rolls in, we'll all be ready for change again.

#185 Chris...Well said.

Oh, and it should be said that all the "blame America first" undermining of patriotism the libs have engaged in since the 1960's has many, many chickens to come home to roost.

Right when President Hildebeast needs a military most (and so do us all).

Yep, give them two years worth of rope...

#192 AZ...

The other big lie they sold seniors is that they are getting the money they paid into it back. That and the SS fund would be fine if the crooks in DC had stopped taking money out of it to fund other things.

Please, someone show me where the Bank of Social Security is.
I think it has the Liberal Money Tree in front of it.

#193 hous bin pharteen
Just for fun Since I don't see another Reagan in the choices given so far in the republican party.
Movie characters I'd like to see as POTUS.
The Terminator Walks into the UN and says simply "I'll be back"
John McLane in die hard on phone to Dinnerjacket "Yippe Kiyay Motherf@#er"

#197 Odinist -- "I agree, W.PA has a strange relationship with the Democrat's... on an individual basis, most people's beliefs are conservative... but they still vote straight ticket Democrat because "the Democrats are the working man's party"...

And nothing will change their mind..."

They vote the way the Union boss says, like a herd of lemmings. The Dems will soon be taking away their firearms and forcing their socialist principles down their throats and by then it will be too late to change things.

#137 Odinist 11/9/2006 07:24PM PST
Murtha is a disgrace to both the nation and his branch of the US military...

#122 Da_Beerfreak

Showing my lack of age a bit, but my grand-dad was toting a BAR in the Bulge... never talked about it though...

My Dad didn’t talk a lot about it either, but from time to time he would tell the story about shooting at tanks with a bazooka. Basically It went something like this, “We would wait for a tank, take a shoot then run like hell!”

#104 The Other Les 11/9/2006 07:04PM PST

The Progressives are coming!

The Progressives are coming!

They're moving in this direction too!

Let's celebrate with a Progressive song!

That link is 15 year-old news, the new progressives will have the following Progressive Song

X-Ray:

We have a Terminator. He's running CA right now. :-)

Good job finding photos of the 1419 and 1413 yesterday. Too bad the examples have such nasty paint jobs (common among the type, though I do have to say _mine_ has the very classy original paint scheme.)

#177

The government does owe them. And so do you and the rest of us.

The Gov't owes them pay for what they did. The Gov't doesn't owe them lifetime benefits. They are not forever part of the GOV'T.

197 Odinist 11/9/2006 07:54PM PST

#172 jrdroll

I agree, W.PA has a strange relationship with the Democrat's... on an individual basis, most people's beliefs are conservative... but they still vote straight ticket Democrat because "the Democrats are the working man's party"...

And nothing will change their mind...

---
That isn't unique to W. PA, I see it here where I live every election cycle. It's a legacy thing I believe. Their daddies were Democrats, so they are Democrats, and refuse to see that what they have now isn't daddy's Democrat Party of yesteryear, the party of FDR, Harry Truman and JFK. It's a generational thing too that will pass with time, I believe.

#203 MacGregor

Yep, give them two years worth of rope...

Two years? Shit, they'll hang themselves before next spring.

hous bin pharteen
vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)

I had a few comments last night regarding a Democrat draft. No, I won't link them, as I was in a pretty dark place and was teetering close to the edge.

But anyone can look them up if they're so inclined.

I'm surprised that the lizards even acknowledge jrdroll. Actually it sounds like a whiny hateful little girl at that time of the month.

And on that point I shall leave the room and not let that hateful B*&ch have the satisfaction of responding to me.

Ding, Ding, Elevator door opens, push button for floor number one, leave this floor totally.

God Bless all of our Vets and soldiers. They earned it. (spit)

jrdroll which branch did you serve in ? Cell Block one in the PA. Aw hell I just left the room

In times like these people like Kerry and Murtha are a gift. They are the instruments to be fine tuned and played for all they are worth, for the song they play is treason and they play the song as he anthem of their party. the last thing they will play is a dirge for themselves and the loony left wing of their party in 08. The dirge will be followed by the Loony Tunes theme and Bug's Bunny saying "thats all Dem's, you're done".

Boy, these Democrats really know how to kick a Man when he's down.

Maximu§
Allons

#185 christheprofessor
#172 Junior Troll

Hey, when you're through punching out Junior Troll... er, sorry, jrdroll, can I have a go?

Let me ask you, Mr. Troll, Junior, exactly how many WWII vets have you actually TALKED TO and heard them express this apres-nous-le-deluge attitude you say they hold? Why are you laying the blame for the rest of Pennsylvania's sins on them?

Both my parents are WWII vets -- guess you can kinda tell. IMHO (and COLLECTIVELY SPEAKING, please) the 2 generations that have followed aren't worth their boot polish. And no, I don't hate myself. Just calling it as I see it.

I guess he forgot about a Veto. Let's see them get 2/3 to vote on one.

How about those Scarlet Knights?

#185 ctp

Fuck you for referring to my father so derisively as "grandpa".

Hey a happy F33k you too. I'm speakin' Granpa MURTHA'S district. A bunch of GEEZERS living off SS and CAT FOOD YOU IDIOT EDUCATION PROFESSIONAL.

#200 mung...

Hey. This stuff sucks. It does. No doubt about it. It means potentialy rough times ahead. But it is not the end of the world.
In truth, the Dems did not do really well Tuesday. If we were not at war it would not be as bad.

For a little perspective, read this. I know its Ann and alot of people hate her but the stats she gives proves the point.

[Link: www.anncoulter.com...]

During eight years of Clinton — the man Democrats tell us was the greatest campaigner ever, a political genius, a heartthrob, Elvis! — Republicans picked up a total of 49 House seats and nine Senate seats in two midterm elections. Also, when Clinton won the presidency in 1992, his party actually lost 10 seats in the House — only the second time in the 20th century that a party won the White House but lost seats in the House.

...So however you cut it, this midterm proves that the Iraq war is at least more popular than Bill Clinton was.

Just remember one other thing peeps.

Any great victory means there has to be hardship and set back. Otherwise it would not be great.

New Dimocratic War Strategy!

Nancy,

Close you eyes and tap your heels together three times. Think to yourself, and say bring our boys home, bring our boys home...

Follow the yellow brick road, follow the yellow brick road...

#209 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Think the Terminator running Cali now has been watered down by politics.
Those are cool planes it always amazes me that people can keep flying aircraft that are that old. I'm guessing it's not rocket science but love that keeps those planes flying.

#213 RickL

That's OK. We all have dark times.

I already told my family (usually the voice of restraint around here) that if it looks like we will have a Donk congress and president in 2008. we arm ourselves.

To my shock, they nodded in agreement.

#157 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret) 11/9/2006 07:33PM PST

#146 Other Les:

No, the French are much more nuanced than that:

1) Fought (sort of) against the Germans in 1940. Surrendered formed the Vichy French (German Allied).

2) Colonies in west Africa still under Vichy control when we invaded Morrocco and Algieria in late 1942. Fought for a week (or maybe 15 minutes) to 'assuage honor' (snort)... then surrendered.

3) Handful of French escaped to England in 1940 and fought on as Free French until the end of the war (with the Allies).

Confused? Join the club.

Don’t forget that all three groups hated each other.

#206 Stop Hillary

That is exactly right... great nic, BTW...

#207 da_beerfreak

It was 'the war to end all wars', our forefathers likely spared us the horror of it all thinking our generations were safe...

Dear God, it's going to be a very painful 2 years. As if the last 6 haven't been painful enough because of these leftwing loons. Oy.

#176 T-Jefferson -

Brilliant article. Somewhere Amadinejad was screaming "YATZEE!" as he read the mid-term results.

The interests of Iran and the U.S. Democratic party have never been so clearly aligned. Timmerman is right that we will pull out of Iraq because the Gates/Baker bi-partisan commission will give them cover.

Then the fun begins as Democrats can begin their investigations into the "mismanagement" of the war (read, crucifixion of Haliburton, Brown and Root, et al). President Bush will plead ignorance as contractor after contractor is called before Waxman. Democrats will expose the true Republican culture of corruption and liberals will cheer with glee the ultimate dismantling of the U.S. military/industrial complex.

Sadly few Americans know of Amadinejad, while those who do likely get their news from the MSM and believe that he has been demonized by Bush for political purposes.

My heart breaks for the people of Iraq. I take it as a given that America will never again fight a war on foreign soil.

Who really wants us as an ally at this point?

DesertSage(212)

1000 quatloos says the Dems hang themselves before Christmas!

Ahem.. I meant to say Winter Holiday.

:-)

220 jrdroll

A bunch of GEEZERS living off SS and CAT FOOD

Classy.

#220 jrdroll

"Geezers" and "idiot education professionals," eh? I think you've got authority issues, pal. Get help.

#223 x-ray

#209 vet_Missing_Parts (1LT, Ret)
Think the Terminator running Cali now has been watered down by politics.

Politically yes, but he is still the Terminator. Original model, even.

Those are cool planes it always amazes me that people can keep flying aircraft that are that old. I'm guessing it's not rocket science but love that keeps those planes flying.

Love and bubble gum sometimes. People don't understand the true meaning of machines having "character" until they take to the air in something built before 1950.

Fuck John Murtha.

#217

Let me ask you, Mr. Troll, Junior, exactly how many WWII vets have you actually TALKED TO and heard them express this apres-nous-le-deluge attitude you say they hold? Why are you laying the blame for the rest of Pennsylvania's sins on them?

Hey bird brain did you know that PA is the 2nd home to the geriatric set after FLA? Did you know that the geriatric Dems in PA are "New Dealers"? Do YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THE POLITICAL COMPOSITION OF THIS STATE?

#220 jrdroll

Are you okay to drive?

realwest? I don't recall ever hearng you say that.
Not that it's unjustified.

#220 jrdroll

It's people like CTP who are the educational profession's only hope!

212 DesertSage

Maybe we can change that to bungee cord or somethin'.

#234 jrdroll

Well, yeah.. I went to college in Pennsylvania. Sounds like that may have been more than YOU managed to do, given your opinion of education professionals.

Twit.

Asians thrown off flight

COPS marched four Asian men off a plane after a passenger said their behaviour made him nervous.

The men — in Islamic robes — were arguing in a foreign language and then all went to the toilet, one after the other.

A fellow traveller on the Luton to Glasgow easyJet flight demanded they be kicked off — just as the plane was to taxi to the runway.

Cabin crew alerted the captain and cops were called, who took the men, all in their 20s, off the plane.

Everyone else on board was then ordered off with their hand luggage while the crew searched the cabin.

The jet took off an hour and ten minutes late at 10pm on Wednesday.

Another passenger said: “A Scottish bloke in his 20s who was sat beside them clearly thought something was up. He was arguing strongly that these lads were up to no good and should be taken off.

“Considering they had just got on a minute before, their behaviour was pretty bizarre. I think other people were worried.

“The men were all wearing jackets over long Islamic robes. They had beards and looked like Muslims.”

#238 jrdroll

Oh and by the way, you haven't answered my question. How many vets have you actually talked to?

I think I can guess...

#227 Stuck-in-CA

Don't be so down. Look at the bright side, the Dems are going to give us plenty of good material to laugh at.

Hell, just hearing Harry Reid's voice makes me burst out in laughter.

Watching Nancy Pelosi's face decompose before our very eyes will be worth an E ticket alone.

#164 HDrepub

{:-(

#225 Da_Beerfreak

Don’t forget that all three groups hated each other.

But... of course!

jrdroll

Our Vets earned that check. And much much more.

Go spew your vitriolic hatred at someone who earned it. Murtha maybe but not our vets.

My $ .02 worth now to check the news

#233 realwest

Hey RW!
Even Murtha's wife refuses to do that anymore!

#233 Realwest!

Fuck John Murtha.

Real, dammit! Get to the point and quit rambling! Haw Haw!

I'm going to ask Charles to post a jab at the good vets such as yourself from some chump every night about 7:00PM EST.

It's more fun when you're here! How you feeling and how is your Mom doing?

Hey Fellas!

Things are getting a little steamy... and late.

Off to bed, night all!

AngryDumbo (228):

I believe the Dems might try that. What happens if these is a another 9-11 type attack? A lot of people who voted (D) are going to need to do some real soul searching.

Just for the record I voted all Repub just as I have been doing since Reagan.

#210 jrdroll-
You don't know what you are talking about.
When you join the military you sign a contract with the government. and it is in that contract where benefits, lifetime or otherwise are stated. You sound like my sister-in-law ragging on my husband, and he is a disabled vet [who works full time after getting a masters degree]

jrdroll

Please attempt to regain control of your bodily functions.

228- Angry Dumbo

My heart breaks for the people of Iraq. I take it as a given that America will never again fight a war on foreign soil.

Who really wants us as an ally at this point?

Right you are. No one could trust us as an ally, we're about to make that clear. Even I wouldn't trust us anymore. And seeing that our borders will now remain open thanks to the unholy cabal of Bush and Pelosi, et al, the only war we will fight most likely will be on our own shores.

#229 T. Jefferson

Aww, come on, don't backpedal! Say Christmas and be done with it... this is a tolerant site with most religions/lack there of representing... enough of this PC BS already!

BTW- November 11th is a heathen holy day of remembrance...

'Fogmoon 11 - Feast of the Einherjar: The chosen heroes who sit in Odin’s Hall are the Einherjar. Today we honor those dead kin who gave their lives for Family and Folk. If you have friends or family who died in battle, visit their graves today, if that is not possible, drink a libation in their memory.'

#236 Jim in Virginia - LOL! He has a special place in my heart - the same place Kerry has - Vets who betrayed other veterans for their own political advantage. Nothing too evil can happen to him or Kerry as far as I'm concerned.
One good thing to come out of this will be the bloodletting between the Pelosi faction and the Murtha faction.

As a Pennsylvanian, I was shocked at the magnitude of the Democrat victory here. I had gotten used to the idea that PA was a 50-50 state. Yes, the state went for Kerry in '04, but the margin of victory was probably within the margin of voter registration shenanigans in Philadelphia.

Basically the rural and suburban counties tend Republican, while the big cities are overwhelmingly Democrat. It's a microcosm of the nation as a whole.

But this year was a wipeout for Santorum and Swann. I'd be curious to see a breakdown of how Swann did in Pittsburgh vs. Philadelphia. Maybe the Eagles fans were being a little vindictive. :)

Vet
Good Night and thanks for your sacrifice for our great country.

#233, realwest. You pretty much described the sum, substance, and epitaph of John Murtha, and in as few word as is possible. Not many Marine Colonels are deservedly promoted to the rank of shitbird. Murtha has achieved that distinction. "Ex Marine", Shitbird, Traitor. How many Marines will die as a result of the actions of this Clusterfuck, Murtha?

#245 DesertSage - Hey Sage! I'll leave Mrs. Murtha out of this. He was the one who betrayed the Marines in Iraq and our troops in general. This is strictly between Murtha and people who support our troops, whether those supporters are veterans or not. Hope you're doing ok, my friend - got any more photos to send me?!

;')

I really hate this guy!

Jr Droll, it aint just seniors.
You have two democratic failed cities at both ends of the state. Philly actually has a higher sales tax then the rest of the state. (home of eddie rendell) The northeast has become a bedroom community for liberal North Jersey and NYC. They screwed those areas up so bad they moved out.

How about north central? The big industry there? Prisons. How does that effect the vote? Well alot of the famalies of the cons have moved there. Heck, they can get their food stamps and welfare there as well. So that area is turning more dem. As well as having a drug and an illegal immigrant problem.
Nothing like seniors and hoods mixing together.

Am I missing anthing?

sorry to go waaay OT but this is sickening to me...

Curt Weldon(R) a senior member of the House Armed Services committee, lost BIG TIME here to ADM. Joe Sestak. They just announced on the local news that the Boeing Plant in OUR district, JUST won a $13B (yes Billion) contract to build rescue helicopters. Now Weldon fought TOOTH AND NAIL, seems like at least every other year, (I have a few neighbors in management) to keep this plant open and functioning.

THAT is the ULTIMATE in "bringing home the bacon" and they announce it 2 days AFTER the election?

Not only that, Weldon was the target of an FBI investigation, that broke about 2-3 weeks ago, into a charge that he helped his daughter secure about $1M in contracts.

I'm telling you this stinks to the high heavens!

I'm not smart enough to figure this all out, but (I think) I know one of two things are going on here:

1) Bush got pissed off about Weldon's squawking about "Able Danger" and directed the GOP to cut him down, and thus decided to sacrifice one of his own.

2) Somehow the Dems got to the FBI and got THEM to launch the ivestigation to coincide with the election.

Neither option is acceptable. I'm just sooo pissed at the electoral process right now.

Someone please talk me down off the ledge.

My gut tells me that Bush and the GOP threw Curt Weldon (one of their loyal own) out the door.

#194 Bob in Breckenridge 11/9/2006 07:53PM PST

#166 Da_beerfreak

I have a friend, a retired Boeing engineer, who helped designed the first 747. I bet your co-worker has told you some great stories from his experiences.

What was real interesting was the little screw ups they caught before they could become major f#$k ups. And there was some real doozys! {;-)

#246 goodbye_natalie - Thanks for the compliment. If Charles post's them anywhere other than on the Dead Thread, I can't guarantee that I'll be around to respond. I'm enjoying spending evenings with Mom.
She and I are doing ok, thanks, how's about yourownself? How are you doing?

Winning is not a strategy, victory is not a strategy.

How could any red blooded American think such a thing, let alone say it.

Murtha you are the worst kind of American. You are an American defeatist.
Joseph Kennedy the greatest American defeatist would be proud.

The goals for Iraq...
Govern itself, sustain itself, and defend itself.

Help get it done or get the hell out of the way so that better men can.

Hey I'm posting some of what Rush was saying having lived here for 40 years.

And a message, from, like, Moore:

You did it. Oh my God! We did it. Oh my God! The impossible has happened: A majority of Americans have soundly and forcefully removed Bush's party from control of the House of Representatives and the Republicans have also, miraculously, been tossed out of running our United States Senate. This was like totally done because the American people wanted to like, make two things crystal clear: End this war, and stop Mr. Bush from doing any more damage to like, this country we love. That is like totally what this election was like totally about. Nothing else. Just that. And it's a message that has sent shock waves throughout Washington -- and a note of hope around this troubled world.

Now the real work begins. Unless we stay on top of these Democrats to like, do the right thing, they will like, do what they've always done: Screw it up. Big Time. They helped Bush start this war, and now they should make amends.

But let's take a day to like, rejoice and revel in a rare victory for our side -- the side that doesn't believe in unprovoked invasions of other countries. This is like totally your day, my friends. You have worked hard for it. I can't tell you how proud I am to like, count all of you as part of the greater American mainstream we now occupy. Thank you for all the time you gave this week to like, get out the vote. Some of you have been at this since the large demonstrations of February 2003 when we tried to like, stop the war before it started. Only 10-20% of the country agreed with us at that time. Remember how lonely that was? Some people were like even booed. Oh my God! Now, 60% of the country agrees with our position. They are like us and we are like them. What a nice, strange, hopeful feeling.

A woman, for the first time in our history, will like, be Speaker of the House. The attempt to like, ban all abortion in the conservative state of South Dakota was like totally defeated. Laws to like, raise the minimum wage were like passed. Democrats were like elected to like, fill Tom DeLay's and Mark Foley's seats. Detroit's John Conyers, Jr. is like totally going to like, be the Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. The Democratic governor of Michigan beat the CEO from Amway. The little township next to like, where I live in Michigan voted Democratic for the first time since... ever. And on and on and on. The good news will like, continue throughout today. Let's enjoy it. Savor it. And use it to like, get Congress to like, finally listen to like, the majority.

I gave up on trying to count the number of time he used the word "like". It started to give me a migrane. This really reads as if a SPED 4th grader wrote it. Now if the dems lost it wouldn't be an admission that the voters rejected liberal values,it would be how the GOP stole the election. The more the libs speak on what they truley stand for, such as the Moore, Pleosi, Lement, Kos, DU Dems the more they will hurt them selve. The Dems that won were "consertative" not liberal.

#256 gymnast - I tried to be as accurate and as succinct as possible in describing my feeling for him. And you are right. Every Marine I've ever met bristled at the idea of being an "Ex-Marine", insisting that they were "former Marines". Murtha is the only Marine I know of who truly deserves the title of Ex-Marine.

#257 realwest

My lumber gets delivered tomorrow, then I start building.

I had a conversation with a Democrat friend of mine today. I mentioned that Murtha wanted to redeploy to Okinawa. He got furious and said that Murtha never said that.

Does anyone know where that quote is archived?

228 AngryDumbo

Who really wants us as an ally at this point?

Oh, I'm guessing there are at least a few Nations left on the planet who want us as "an ally at this point".

Step back from the ledge. Take a few deep breaths... I think the next two years will provide a great opportunity to defend what was accomplished in Afghanistan and Iraq against a backdrop of grandstanding investigations by senile and mentally failing Democrats like John Conyers and John Dingell. Bring it on you bumbling bafoons. And don't assume national coverage will be as friendly as the local newsmen who kindly edit out your inane ramblings and run the 10 seconds where you don't sound incoherent or sedated.

But in all of the political nonsense that goes on in the next two years, we can not allow the Democrats to crap on the graves of our fallen heroes. They want to paint the entire war effort as a failed folly and thats not only just plain wrong its a derisive slander against the US Military, the greatest fighting force in the history of the world. Make no mistake, the Democrats have a real contempt for the US "war machine". From the high tech weapon manufacturers to the grunts in the field.

#259 hous bin pharteen

You are correct... see also #197 and #206, if you haven't already...

#264 jrdroll

The problem is that you are ignoring the facts and blaming it all on the vets... salute the resident WWII vets for their service, even though they are deluded when it comes to voting... their past service trumps their voting record...

267 DesertSage

Here's one source.

#226 Odinist 11/9/2006 08:11PM PST

#206 Stop Hillary

That is exactly right... great nic, BTW...

#207 da_beerfreak

It was 'the war to end all wars', our forefathers likely spared us the horror of it all thinking our generations were safe...

WWI was the “The war to end all wars and make the world safe for democracy.”

Just think. The dems gave us that skank Pelosi.

The Repubs tried to give us her.

[Link: www.post-gazette.com...]

Who would you rather look at on the news shows.

Talk about injustice!

She needs to run for some other office in 08.

#267 DesertSage

Does anyone know where that quote is archived?

IN MURTHA'S OWN WORDS

/transcript and video

#198 Da_Beerfreak 11/9/2006 07:55PM PST

#127 maddogg 11/9/2006 07:19PM PST
Murtha & Pelosi, along with Howlin' Howard are the brain trust of the Democratic Socialist-Moonbat coalition. Stupidity and lack of imagination are characteristics I value in an enemy.

LOL
And don’t forget a great big dose of insanity to even things out.

I know I'm being redundant with this post, but the sad thing is, no matter how stupid those people act or whatever stupid things they say, the media will assure either a) not very many people hear about what is said or b) the comments get spun by the media to make the comments sound absolutely brilliant.

Chris Matthews, after clip of Murtha making an absolutely lame statement "There you have it, Murtha has provided a highly nuanced and carefully couched exposition of the policy of ..."