I wonder if Al-Jazeera will embed with the Ethiopian military.

This is the most important new front in the Global Jihad. Unfortunately, few of the good guys' team even realizes it has any significance.

"Full retreat." Sounds good. Keep on drivin'.

At this rate the infidel will be able to watch World Cup soccer by the New Year. I hope someone TIVOed it.

Kick ass!

Watch for news of 'splodydopes very soon. What else do they have?

Maybe they can help us in Iraq and Afghanistan. They seem to have the right approach.

Show them no mercy, for they shall show you none...

Squash 'em.

A mere blogger was proved right about this roughly five days after the LA Times predicted otherwise.

Let's hope the Islamists not rally and beat Ethopia back.

So what ? the islamics will do what they always do. They never could fight toe to toe.

They will retreat and hide and start suicide bombings and the left will ooohhh and aaahhh about how they are winning.

From today's New York Times, a lesson for Americans:

As the situation in Somalia began to shift, it seemed that the Islamists may have overplayed their hand. Just a few months ago they were the most powerful force in the country and popular in many areas for restoring order after 15 years of anarchy. The transitional government, which is internationally recognized but weak and divided, was urging the Islamists to return to peace talks to discuss sharing power.

But all that changed last Wednesday at dawn when the Islamists attacked Baidoa from two directions. Witnesses said that their waves of young fighters were summarily mowed down by the more experienced (and older) Ethiopian-backed troops. On Saturday, the Islamists announced that Somalia was now open to Muslim fighters across the world who wanted to wage a jihad against Ethiopia, which has a long Christian history though it is actually about half Muslim.

The next day, Ethiopia struck.

With warplanes and tanks, the Ethiopian military pushed deep into Somalia and began uprooting the Islamists from their positions. Meles Zenawi, Ethiopia’s prime minister, said his country had been forced into war by the Islamists and that Ethiopia would try to neutralize the threat as quickly as possible.

The toll is rising in Mogadishu. At Benadir hospital, crowds of women pushed at the gates to get inside to see their wounded sons and husbands. Witnesses said the hospital’s courtyards were stacked with dozens of corpses buzzing with flies. Some of the women even threw stones at the Islamist commanders visiting the hospital and shouted, “Why have you done this to us?”

The day Iraqi women throw stones at jihadists and wail to them about their cruel fate is the day we begin winning. Period.

To the extent Ethiopia has just shown us, yet again, that war never changes and the ancient rules have not been suspended just because we build schools for children, the lesson is clear and beyond debate.

If we're going to fight, let us fight. Only by understanding the lesson that Ethiopia has just helpfully provided do we stand a chance of extracting ourselves from the self-inflicted mire of defeat.

8 Ron,

I think we're the ones doing the helping, in Ethiopia. I suspect there's a fine contingent of SF working in Ethiopia, and likely secretly in Somalia itself.

The difference, of course, is that the Ethiopians have a certain force of will behind them.

Willfulness + American expertise = winning.

Debka Reporting:

the UN Security Council has been called into emergency session Tuesday, Dec. 26.

and

U.S. signals support for Ethiopian attacks on Somali Islamists

Two feelings mixed in me now:

1. Jubilation at Ethiopia's fortitude and the hope it sends.

2. Shame, in comparison, at my own country's failure in Lebanon last summer.

And...when (not choice of words), I'm sure some MSM bonehead will want to know if they have a plan for after they topple the leaders of the SICC...

But, it's great to see someone can roll on without the ball and chain of an nation hating media on their ankles.

Three Cheers for the descendants of the Lion of Judah!

Don't let the UN get involved, and if they do I hope Ethiopia ignores them or at least checks the caller ID before answering the phone.

Were any museums looted?  There can be no victory if any museums have been looted.

I welcome the Ethiopian actions, and hope they destroy the Islamist crazies of Somalia.

The reason the Ethiopians have "the will" is that their national survival is at stake. Our national survival is not at stake in Iraq, no matter how many lies about WMD's and al qaeda connections are believed by idiots on this site.

It's nice to see someone is fighting the good fight. I also have a feeling that the Ethiopians are more concerned with winning the battles than collateral damage and world opinion.

In equipment, training, and doctrine, the Ethiopian forces are of course a pale shadow of their American counterparts.

Nevertheless, the possession of artillery, tanks, and planes, however inadequate, is a crushing advantage when not handicapped by American style PC rules of engagement or the need to kowtow to a hostile media.

Another front in the this world war.

17 taxfreekiller,

Aw! That's almost a haiku!

I'm fond of you too, friend.

#22 Their old shit looks JUST like their NEW shit...so LEVEL it all..who cares?

I wonder if the Ethiopans went to war with the army they had or the one they wished they had?
/apologies to Donald Rumsfeld for stealing his line

#23 Nodrog

I welcome the Ethiopian actions, and hope they destroy the Islamist crazies of Somalia.

Are you trying to get on our good side?

idiots on this site.

Guess not.

Finally, some good news concerning the defeat of Muslims. I've given up on any such news out of Iraq, Thailand, Indonesia, etc.

#4 chowdog 12/26/2006 01:20PM PST

"Full retreat." Sounds good. Keep on drivin'.

Could be a new slogan for the Dems. Heh.

30 Fluffy,

23 Gordon,

Yeah, Gordon. You were sounding reasonable there until you got to the juvenile line about "idiots on this site."

It would be an amazing oversight if the Ethiopians were not also getting some covert help from Israel.
Unfortunately, with Olmert, amazing oversights seem to be the norm.

They need allies don't they? And I bet they don't even have an exit plan. I can see another Viet Nam coming- destroy Somalia in order to save it.

Quagmire, grim milestone, mounting casualties, etc, ...

[end sarcasm]

#29 Just_A_Grunt 12/26/2006 01:34PM PST

I wonder if the Ethiopans went to war with the army they had or the one they wished they had?

Actually this is something very Ethiopian that before any war they prepare for months to do the attack. While the MSM has really given it too much notice but Ethiopia has been fighting these guys for a long time, basically all this past year I believe. It's just that they kept it low key until they could bring in the high amount of ammunition, heavy weapons, and forces to the border, while advisers were sent up front to help setup the situation.

However you can't compare Ethiopia to the US, where it takes the Ethiopians months to move ammunition, the USAF can do it in days.

Yet the primary reason for Ethiopia's success is quite simple and already stated. They just don't give a shit. When they fought against Eritrea they didn't accept a cease-fire until they had broken Eritrean lines and forced them to sign on there conditions. And you know what, this is what Ethiopia is going to do again.

OT...

via Orbusmax:
But France didn't invade Iraq!

I just hope their fellow Somalis in Europe, Canada and the US rush to defend their former homeland!

#30 and #34

Actually, Gordon lost it with his "WMD lies" mantra. We're still waiting for his proof of those lies.

#37 manker
I agree. I sometimes wonder how much different the situation in Baghdad would be today if we had sent the Blood and Crips in instead of the 3ID and 1st Cav.

Let's see, Ethiopia is "kicking Islamist but".

And the Main Stream Media (and possibly CAIR) doesn't have a word of criticism.

Either we need more friends like the Ethiopians, or American servicemen need to change their skin color and passport.

OT Michael Ledeen at National Review is reporting a wave of arrest in Syra. Military and civilians. They are apparently not Islamists/ Muslim Brotherhood.
The chinless wonder strikes again.

I'm sure I speak for many here when I say that I never imagined the day would come when I would envy the fortitude of Ethiopia's government and politicians as compared to those of the United States.

37 Manker,

Yes, exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if the UN tries to make some milquetoast attempt to stop the Ethiopians, but the US and all right-minded countries will do their best to help the Ethiopians.

It's a perfect, situation, really. The US would love to whack Somalia, but the political whoopty-do over the world's greatest power invading a poor African country would make a real mess of it. So Ethiopia makes a perfect proxy: One African country whipping another one.

Go 'opians!

Gordon said:

I welcome the Ethiopian actions, and hope they destroy the Islamist crazies of Somalia.

So you support Ethiopia's unilateral actions against another sovereign state? I don't think that would pass the Global Test.

And calling Somalis "Islamist crazies" also sounds like Islamophobia to me.

#23 nodroG

The reason the Ethiopians have "the will" is that their national survival is at stake. Our national survival is not at stake in Iraq, [...]

In Iraq no--no argument there.

From Islam, however--that's a different story.

This war is difficult to even begin waging because our enemy has an ideological base that can use any geographic location as its physical base. For Ethiopia, it's Somalia right now. For Israel, it's the fake nation called the Palestinians. For Europe and the USA, it's every Muslim concentration on their soil.

And I suspect the Ethiopians have it better than the West, because in the West the Muslims have a supporting army of, to quote today's article on the NY Sun by Daniel Pipes, auxiliary mujahideen.

Therein is a great irony: an African non-Muslim country, with less sophistication, less self-skepticism, less secularization and less TreasonMedia inside it, is in a much better position than the countries of the West are.

Halie Salassie (sp?) would be proud! IIRC he claimed a Jewish connection.

I'll be interested in seeing how the evening news treats this. Their support or lack thereof won't matter, however. They're going to do whatever it takes to win. We need to mimic that spirit.

#23 Gordo

Your comparison to Iraq is like comparing apples and watermelons.

A more apt comparison would be Israel/Lebanon.

What is your stance on that?

Greetings from Eretz Yisroel my friends!

I am sure that Ethiopia has recieved any and all assistance requested of the US. Just as I am sure the soon to be finished Islamic Courts of Somalia were funded by al Qaeda.

The Ethiopian armed forces seem to be using the proper methods for dealing with fascists: in the late stages of WWII, SS and Gestapo were immediately shot upon capture. This amazing method was 100% effective in preventing fascist recidivism. It seems to work just as well today.

I will say a special prayer for the people of Ethopia that they be granted strangth and victory.

I can't wait for CAIR's response, they were the only one's who thought the thugs of the Islamic courts were legitimate; yes, they thought the same way about the Taliban in 2001 too.

I wonder what their rules of engagment are? I doubt they are not allowed to fire unless fired upon, or cannot return fire at a mosque or cemetary. I also doubt that the Ethopians would hesitate the kill an Islamic court member using a human shield.

Maybe, thats a reason human shields arent being used there.

Maybe, thats why its possible for them to win.

See this article on winning. [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

#49 bill

The Emperor was a Zionist Coptic Christian.

The Islamists also claim to have killed hundreds.

yeh you can bet that they are defensless women and children. Those brave islamists

Bob Marley was a Rastafarian/Zionist Coptic too...

Live if you want to live
(rastaman vibration, yeah! positive!)
Thats what we got to give!
(ini vibration yeah! positive)
Got to have a good vibe!
(iyaman iration, yeah! irie ites!)
Wo-wo-ooh!
(positive vibration, yeah! positive!)

If you get down and you quarrel everyday,
Youre saying prayers to the devils, I say. wo-oh-ooh!
Why not help one another on the way?
Make it much easier. (just a little bit easier)

Say you just cant live that negative way,
If you know what I mean;
Make way for the positive day,
cause its news (new day) - news and days -
New time (new time), and if its a new feelin (new feelin), yeah! -
Said its a new sign (new sign):
Oh, what a new day!

Pickin up?
Are you pickin up now?
Jah love - jah love (protect us);
Jah love - jah love (protect us);
Jah love - jah love (protect us).

Rastaman vibration, yeah! (positive!)
Ini vibration, yeah! (positive!) uh-huh-huh, a yeah!
Iyaman iration, yeah! (irie ites!) wo-oo-oh!
*positive vibration, yeah! (positive!)

Pickin up?
Are you pickin up now?
Pickin up?
Are you pickin up now?
Pickin up? (jah love, jah love -)
Are you pickin (protect us!) up now?
Pickin up? (jah love, jah love -)
Are you pickin (protect us!) up now?
Pickin up? (jah love, jah love -)
Are you pickin (protect us!) up now?
Pickin up?
Are you pickin up now?

55 taxfreekiller,

Your flattery knows no bounds, my friend! But to be honest, I do wonder if your time couldn't be better applied by fixating on something other than little old me.

How many Muslim nations' armies would fight to preserve a Christian nation's government? Answer: None. Its dar al Harb, all the time, as when it comes to Islam, its always about the ummah.

Take that phrase, dar al Harb, and ram it down the throat of every lying Muslim apologist. The rest of the public needs to become familiar with it.

God Bless the Ethiopians! May victory be yours!

Waiting for the MSM to cast Ethiopia as aggressor, noting the christian elite oppresses the muslim and animist majority. At least some of the moonbats, with smoke seeping from their red-green-gold SUVs, may come over to our side...

The next few months should be interesting here in Minneapolis-St.Paul. The strong immigrant community has both Somali and Ethiopians. The Somalis are pretty fervently Muslim.

"Ethiopia says they’re kicking Islamist butt in Somalia: Ethiopia predicts victory against Somali Islamists."

Hell yeah. Send a Hellfire on my behalf.

I wish the Ethiopian Army happy hunting.

#46 Spiritualized

Agreed.

Having worked closely with some LLL's in the past two years, I have noticed a couple of things about them:

1) If a conservative doesn't give proper 'respect' (read: moral equivalence or even superiority) to the 'other' (read: enemies of America) then the conservative is being racist or islamophobic; but if one of the 'others' does something to tick off a LLL (such as threaten, harm, or kill someone they care about), then the (Truly) racist invective comes out with a vengance and the LLL calls it patriotism and thinks he earns the conservative's respect.

When it comes to 'other' cultures, LLL's are all hugs and kisses as long as it doesn't cost them anything...
But when it costs them something, they are 100 times more hateful, bigoted and racist than any conservative I have ever met.

2) It is the strangest thing that LLL's, when debating conservatives, say that there is no such thing as 'Evil' and ridicule it as an 'outdated religious concept.' Yet they are the ONLY ones who routinely denounce their political opponents as 'Evil.'
Also, LLL's of the postmodernist persuasion don't believe in Truth, yet they routinely call Bush a liar (it is fun to watch them stammer when you ask them how someone can be a liar if Truth is relative).

It Makes No Sense. Until you realize that they are just as hateful and narrow-minded and intolerant as they accuse conservatives of being - that THEY DON'T EVEN BELIEVE THEIR OWN RHETORIC!. They use it as a weapon and make no apologies for being caught in hypocrisy.

Also,
Here is a Three Question Quiz to help you see that the LLL's have an AWESOME marketing department (A.K.A. the Moonstream Media)

1. Was the ONLY president to EVER use Atomic Weapons on civilians a Republican or a Democrat?

2. Was the ONLY president to EVER put American Civilians in Concentration Camps based soley on their race a Republican or a Democrat?

3. Was the ONLY president to EVER free slaves a Republican or a Democrat?

...And yet the public-school generated perception of the attitudes of the two parties is exactly the opposite of the facts on these issues...

Nodrog and his ilk are victims of terminal short-sightedness and also of Liberalism; but I repeat myself.

I sure as heck hope that the US (and Canada for that matter) is funnelling arms and materiel to the Ethiopians.

This is a good chance to wipe out 10s of thousands of Islamists at once--maybe a million for all I know.

The Ethiopians will not be hobbled by any "hearts and minds" rubbish. Which is why there should be a nonstop flow of daisy cutters and similar munitions clandestinely provided to our proxy allies.

#47 ZionistYoungster

Therein is a great irony: an African non-Muslim country, with less sophistication, less self-skepticism, less secularization and less TreasonMedia inside it, is in a much better position than the countries of the West are.

Exactly.

The problem, though, isn't just auxiliary mujahedeen on the Left but a "my way or the highway" attitude toward politics that has infected both the Right and the Left. We need to win over the constituencies of the Left and not simply assume that they will always be the enemy. Many of the early neo-conservatives were originally came from the Left.

Halfway to Mogadishu? Do you think the Ethiopians are going to spend a lot of time or money 'rebuilding' Somalia?

We need to focus the War on Terror more on killing terrorists and less on building democracies in the Mideast, at least until a critical mass of Muslims show they are capable of living in pluralistic societies.

Voting is nice but it's not the only (or most important) part of a civil society.

#23 Gordon

I welcome the Ethiopian actions, and hope they destroy the Islamist crazies of Somalia.

Gordon,
I don't think this Ethiopian attack will pass the John Qerry United Nations World Opinion test..
This shit needs to end,

No More Vietnam's...

/have you seen Qerrys navy discharge papers..?

just asking?

#49 bill and #54 TotallySirius

As the article mentions, the Solomonic dynasty, of which Haile Selassie was the last reigning member, claimed direct descent from Solomon and the Queen of Sheba.
This could never be verified, of course, but, unlike many dynastic claims around the world, it is not impossible.

The Ethiopian church is a holdover from the earliest days of Christendom, claiming to have been founded by the Apostle Philip:

"Then the angel of the Lord said to Philip, Start out and go south to the road that leads down from Jerusalem to Gaza. So he set out and was on his way when he caught sight of an Ethiopian. This man was a eunuch, a high official of the Kandake (Candace) Queen of Ethiopia in charge of all her treasure." (Acts 8:27)

The passage goes on to describe how Philip converted and baptized the eunuch.

Archeological and historical evidence dates the Ethipian church at least as far back as late Roman times.

How do we donate bullets or money to these guys?
(The Somali's of course)

Haven't read the thread so sorry if somebody has already expressed this though but...

Can we swear in the Ethiopian leaders instead of the democrats? They seem to have their fingers on the pulse of jihad...

The only bullets I want to donate to the Somalis are traveling at 1100fps

GO ETHIOPIA!

Bush: Take a lesson from Zenawi.

For Christendom to survive, we must accept nothing less than unequivocal victory.

Today is a great day for Ethiopia and all kafirs.

Our so-called "leaders" in our country and the stupid bastards in the UN will figure out a way to dick this up for the Ethiopians.

Meanwhile, we continue to lose another crucial battle...

Iranian enrichment marches furiously ahead

#40 Semper Gumbi: As usual, you have it backwards. When someone asserts that there are WMD's in Iraq and that we must invade to destroy them, the proof is on THEM to justify their claim, not upon others to DISPROVE their claim.

And the Bush Administration's claims have, to put it mildly, never been proven.

Back to the topic at hand - I would note that Ethiopia was ruled, in the 1980's by a dictator as bad or worse than the Islamic idiots destroying Somalia today.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Proof that misrule, defeat, and death in Africa do not have an exclusively Islamic character to them.

#68 Sasquatch

We need to win over the constituencies of the Left and not simply assume that they will always be the enemy.

I agree we must not assume they will always be the enemy, but I don't agree we can do much to win them. They can be won, but it's usually by being mugged by reality.

For example, In Israel the Peacenik Left was the majority for the whole of the 1990's (including yours truly). Its decline started after October 2000 (the outbreak of the Second Intifada), and now the believers in the efficacy of land concessions are a minority, shrinking with every passing month. What did that? The assassination of Rabin in 1995? The explanation efforts of the Yesha Settlers? The dire warnings screamed by right-wing columnists like Uri Elitzur? No to all. It was the enemy. Nothing convinced a peacenik better than a Kassam rocket on his house or a boycott of his art exhibition by his fellow Leftists abroad.

As always, the question is if it'll happen in time. In Israel it definitely did, and all that's left to do is chuck Olmert out and replace him with a better leader. In Europe, on the other hand, there is the danger that the Anti-Dhimmi constituency will still be a minority even when it's already too late (when demographics force the rule of shariah law on their countries).

#51 Totally Sirius: I fully supported the Israeli attack upon Hizbullah in Lebanon, and I am disappointed that it did not go better for the Israelis.

Ok...wikipedia is proof...

#54 Totally Sirius

The Emperor Haile Selassie was lifelong an Ethiopian Orthodox Christian, not "Rastafarian" (Ras Tafari was one of Haile Selassie's titles) or "Zionist Coptic." Bob Marley was formerly the latter, but converted after the privelege of having met the Emperor to Ethiopian Orthodox, as well. Undoubtedly the Emperor disabused him of the notion that he was God or earth, and whatever other nonsense the Rastafarians claimed about him.

All riiight!

Now, Obama back to Africa to Heal the Rift with a speech on the New Politics of a Different Way and a Path to Understanding!

#73 christheprofessor
Haven't read the thread so sorry if somebody has already expressed this though but...

Can we swear in the Ethiopian leaders instead of the democrats? They seem to have their fingers on the pulse of jihad...

Chris you probably heard my opinion..

I still have visions of those young naked peace keeping Marines being dragged through the streets..With low-life coward Clinton's non-support

And those young, and now fighting age Somalia ass holes jumping up and down on their (Marine) dead white bodies..
I hope we have to send Bulldozers to dig mile wide trenches to bury all the motherfuckers..

#79 Gordon

We found 500 WMDs in Iraq... Or course, it doesn't meet your leftard agenda, so you ignore it...

isn't there an SF group that focuses on africa? you can bet your bootie that they have been there, training ethiopian forces.

#84 squarepeg

If Obama went to Africa, they'd say "what you lookin' at, white boy?".

Ethiopia says they’re kicking Islamist butt in Somalia...

Has the State Department heard about this yet?
(Shhh!)

Gordon

The most costly battle of WW2 to the US Navy (which I imagine you hold in contempt) was the last one -- Okinawa. Five thousand dead to kamikazes (whom, like others who strap bombs to themselves, you hold in high esteem). If this were 1941, you'd be tarred and feathered. Just so real men could fight the war that allows you to spew your pablum now...

Fuck off, Swampie...

On WMD's It was incumbent upon Saddam to prove that they had been destroyed. You will remember this if you think back or look at the UN resolutions. He failed to do so. Also the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 and the resolution of force following 911 made it irrelevant whether we actually found any. And we did find some, they were old, but still deadly.

89 Zack...

Has the State Department heard about this yet?

Yes they have and SHOCKINGLY! they are urging Ethiopia to exercise 'maximum restraint'

I'll have to check with the girlfriend, but I think there is no word in Ethiopian for "collateral damage" or "surgical strike" or "innocent bystander".

That probably has alot to do with their success.

Never forget that Zenawi is a dictator. And despised in the expat community. I'm willing to cheer him on in this one endeavour. But can't lose sight of his ultimate nature.

#90 Christheprofessor: An incoherent, profane ramble is your only reply. Unfortunately, all too common on LGF. #91 Bill Hedrick has a much more plausible, rational response. Maybe you, and other LGF illiterati like you, can learn something from him.

Yes, there are THINKING Conservatives. They're just not very prevalent on LGF.

#85 ibm

Hi -- missed your post for a minute...

Yes, we should be providing all manner of all weapons to Ethiopia to thwart the people who did what they did...

Let's hope we have the political will to do it...

/Not sure with John Murtha in charge of things...

#93 To paraphrase Kennedy, Zenawi may be an SOB, but he's OUR SOB.

On LGF, anyone who kills Muslims is exalted.

#81 Gordon 12/26/2006 02:40PM PST

#51 Totally Sirius: I fully supported the Israeli attack upon Hizbullah in Lebanon, and I am disappointed that it did not go better for the Israelis.

Gordon..

I agree..Wait a minute..Are you really Gordon?

Chris are you screwing around with the comments?

Yes they have and SHOCKINGLY! they are urging Ethiopia to exercise 'maximum restraint'…..Ferris

I’m sure the Ethiopians will get a good chuckle out of that. In honor of our State Dept the Ethiopians should change those 500 lb bombs to 1000 pounders. They can tell the sniveling bed-wetters at the State Dept, “oh, we thought you said use maximum force. Sorry for the mix-up, have a nice day.”

#94 Gordon

Yes, there are THINKING Conservatives. They're just not very prevalent on LGF.

oh brother

Gordon

The Ethiopian dictatorship in the 80s was a communist regime in full solidarity with the Palestinians, the Soviet Union, Cuba, Iran, Libya, and of course, the American left which currently demonizes the Bush administration. Ethiopian Muslims had a large role in that government. It is in no way connected to the current Ethiopian government.
You are way out of your element here.

It appears that the Land of Prester John will not be an Al Qaida Haj gift to the Grand Mufti of Mecca this year. In fact there may be a few less Haji's this year. About a half million fewer than the two million claimed for each of the past few years.

I am eagerly awaiting the arrival of the Iranian Shia delegation to Haj kickoff this year. Should bring new meaning to the Stoning of the Devil if that sawed off Iranian Dictator shows up. The last time a self proclaimed Mahdi showed up, the King of the Magic Kingdom had to pay his executioner overtime before it was all over.

#79 Gordon

As usual, you have it backwards. When someone asserts that there are WMD's in Iraq and that we must invade to destroy them, the proof is on THEM to justify their claim, not upon others to DISPROVE their claim.
And the Bush Administration's claims have, to put it mildly, never been proven.

WRONG! The point of the UN weapons inspectors was for Saddam to be given the opportunity to explain what he had done to dispose of his WMDs. It was not for him to play cat and mouse and tell lies. The UN program was supposed to be like the verification program carried out in South Africa, and the one quietly going on in Lybia now. When Saddam failed to come up with the details of what was destroyed where, how, by whom and when, then he was in breach of the UN resolutions. Of course the likes of you have rewritten that inconvenient history, but it is nevertheless the case.

You are also living in a post 9/11 world. When suicidal maniacs start committing mass murder in downtown New York, and there is even the remotest chance that Saddam could be deposed by an Islamist coup. If there is even a tiny chance that nerve gas, which he was known to have used, may fall into hands hostile to us. Then Gordon, the burden of proof is on people like you.

#23 Gordon:

"...idiots on this site."

Always heard that it takes one to know one...

#94 Gordon 12/26/2006 02:55PM PST

#90 Christheprofessor: An incoherent, profane ramble is your only reply. Unfortunately, all too common on LGF. #91 Bill Hedrick has a much more plausible, rational response. Maybe you, and other LGF illiterati like you, can learn something from him.

Chris,
You are screwing around with the comments,
Gordon is your sock puppet..

Charles I am telling on Chris,
he is screwing with the comments...

Chris you probably heard my opinion..

I still have visions of those young naked peace keeping Marines being dragged through the streets..With low-life coward Clinton's non-support

And those young, and now fighting age Somalia ass holes jumping up and down on their (Marine) dead white bodies..
I hope we have to send Bulldozers to dig mile wide trenches to bury all the motherfuckers..

I had just gotten out the service within days of that.

I felt rage, guilt, and sadness all at once.

The first incident that proved Clinton was not fit for the job, was 02/26/1993.

What followed in October, with the denial from Aspin for the armor, should have been a legal issue.

And by the way Gordon, try hitting yourself in the thighs with atropine injectors.

Gordon

Incoherent? How so?

Profane? Only one word, in the last, three word paragraph, and that was "fuck"... You haven't responded to my #86 about the fact that we found 500 WMDs...

I brought up the figure of 5000, because the media keeps harping on the fact that we have had more killed in Iraq than 9/11 - I should have been more clear.

All conservatives are thinking.

Let me ask you -- with age and experience comes knowledge and wisdom. Doesn't it disturb you that so many more people become conservative than liberal in their old ages? What does that say about your viewpoint?

#94 Nodrog

I notice that you held up #91 Bill Hedrick as a 'plausible, rational response.'

Just wanted to remind you that you forgot to admit that you were in error in your earlier post - or were you just blowing smoke at Bill to get in a shot at christheprofessor?

Please admit that your earlier post was in error and that we DID find WMD's and that it was SADDAM'S responsibility to prove he had gotten rid of them, or bring the proof that we found NONE and it was not SADDAM'S responsibility to prove that he didn't have any.

If you are a THINKING person, you must admit Bill is right and your earlier post was wrong, or you must prove him wrong.

Please hurry up and do one or the other...

I would hate for this to be an example of someone who didn't believe his own rhetoric - meaning that you are only using the "We didn't find WMD's" line as a club to beat up on Bush and don't really care that we REALLY DID find them and that they were only one of 19 reasons why we invaded.

#104 ibm

Heh. That was good, wasn't it? If I had a sock puppet, it wouldn't be Nodgrog, though... I'd go for spohC bmaL!

PIMF: Libya...sheesh

#107 Truth Junkie

He's just twisting in the wind, sorta like Sean Penn in a sinking bass boat after a hurricane...

Let me ask you -- with age and experience comes knowledge and wisdom. Doesn't it disturb you that so many more people become conservative than liberal in their old ages? What does that say about your viewpoint?

Wow..Chris..
What a come back comment..
I just Plagiarized that one.. yo

A story on MSNBC quotes Francois Lonseny Fall of Guinea, Secretary-General Kofi Annan's special envoy for Somalia:

In an emergency meeting held on Tuesday, a U.N. envoy urged the Security Council to call for an immediate halt in the fighting in Somalia or risk a broader conflict and greater instability in the chaotic Horn of Africa nation.

Failure to reach a political settlement through resumed talks between Somali Islamists and interim government forces "would be disastrous for the long-suffering people of Somalia and could also have serious consequences for the entire region," said Francois Lonseny Fall of Guinea, Secretary-General Kofi Annan's special envoy for Somalia.

In other words... no, you can't fight them! You have to negotiate, so they get at least half of what they want (each time).

Sigh. Why does the UN have to be so consistently asinine?

Gordon, Get your shit together boy. Every time you show up, you allow your chronic proctological problems to override the topics of the thread. Either get your head out of your ass or get your ass out of here. I ain't in the mood for shitbirds today.

#112 WorriedAboutTheFuture

African Union's response to the UN: bite me. Well, ok, not exactly - they've backed Ethiopia's right to intervene and have called on Somalians to stop fighting. The Arab League has called on Ethiopia to stop intervening, so that the Islamists can continue to smite the enemies of Islam work toward a negotiated settlement.

/loving it, and feeling guilty about loving it.

The problem with egomaniacs is that when clearly proven wrong, they might allow that the contradictor is "plausible" but they will not admit they are wrong, they will change the subject, thus it is with Gordon. He is clearly and obviously wrong. Gordon, let me repeat that you haven been proven wrong. You should either acknowledge that or to quote the "idiots" of LGF, STFU.

#105 formercorpsman
Chris you probably heard my opinion..

I still have visions of those young naked peace keeping Marines being dragged through the streets..With low-life coward Clinton's non-support

And those young, and now fighting age Somalia ass holes jumping up and down on their (Marine) dead white bodies..
I had just gotten out the service within days of that.

I felt rage, guilt, and sadness all at once.

The first incident that proved Clinton was not fit for the job, was 02/26/1993.

What followed in October, with the denial from Aspin for the armor, should have been a legal issue.

And by the way Gordon, try hitting yourself in the thighs with atropine injectors.

Me also Bro..I have no shame from Vietnam..We killed the Vietnamese and left..The Cong put up a good fight..But the Somalians handed Bill Clinton his ass in a cigar box and he sucked on it...Bastard..

No Offense to the Brave Marines that were out numbered 2000 to one..They killed thousands..

#102 bweep . . .

You are also living in a post 9/11 world. When suicidal maniacs start committing mass murder in downtown New York, and there is even the remotest chance that Saddam could be deposed by an Islamist coup. If there is even a tiny chance that nerve gas, which he was known to have used, may fall into hands hostile to us.

(Nevermind Gordon. He's a blockhead.) But I just want to point out that what you said is so screamingly obvious.

Why don't these silly "no WMD LLLs" use their imaginations for one tiny minute? I've had too many conversations with people who I once thought had brains. It turns out they don't. They've bought the "no WMDs" line like fish on a hook.

Nerve gas in a subway system? Is that so hard to imagine? Bio weapons spread through an air conditionning system? Can't imagine it?

Duh!

More people should watch "24," if they need lessons in WMD. And that's fiction. There's enough actual "reality" to supply examples too, if one spends a small amount of time paying attention.

The enemy of my enemy, and all that.

And what #44 said.

KevinV etc.

Exactly who would you have us attack and where are they (and leave the term "carpet bomb" out of it)? I'm sure our forces in Iraq would be anxious to know.

:Boy Yogi, look at gordon's nose and ass. Have you ever seen such a bloody mess?

:Heh, yea BooBoo, maybe next time the farkwark will remember to bring the vaseline with him.

:and his momma, too.

I'm certain the Ethiopians have strict Rules of Engagement forbiding them to shoot a jihadi taking cover in a mosque.

Surely they must...

Back again -- ran out to the store real quick (God, I love AMERICA!)...

#114 Cattt

/loving it, and feeling guilty about loving it.

Stop feeling guilty, just purr as you read what happens when someone actually fights back. I only wish that we and other countries would do more of the same.

Someone (I can't find the message right now) wondered what the Ethiopian Rules of Engagement are. I agree with the assumptions in that message, and that's exactly how they should be. Similar rules have governed Israel's response to hijackings, which goes along with the rarity of such hijackings. Anyone who demonstrates that they will stand up for themselves gets respected.

Ethiopian Rules of Engagement (according to me):

1. Pick your targets carefully.
2. Don't miss.

I think that covers it, don't you?

# 119 easy

Exactly who would you have us attack and where are they (and leave the term "carpet bomb" out of it)? I'm sure our forces in Iraq would be anxious to know.

All Sunni militias and mosque bases.

All Shi'ite militias and mosque bases.

All members of the "Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq".

All confederates of Iranian agents.

All confederates of Syrian agents.

Any foreign fighters found in country.

Any group or sub-group which comes out in public to support any of the above.

Now that I've answered your question, easy, answer mine: If there is no one to attack in Iraq, why is the US military there?

124 Worried

If only...

Looks like Santa left nothing but dogs#it in the Nodrog's sock AGAIN! Naughty, naughty Nodrog... just 'cuz you got what you deserve does't mean that the adults on this site want to hear your moans of dissapointment. So go make a poo-man in the backyard with it, just don't eat it again this year...

“We have already completed half our mission, and as soon as we finish the second half, our troops will leave Somalia,” Meles told a news conference in the Ethiopian capital.

He said a force of between 3,000 and 4,000 Ethiopians had “broken the back” of the Somalia Islamic Courts Council (SICC) around the government’s south-central outpost Baidoa, and that the Islamists were now in “full retreat.”

This sounds very reminiscent of Idi Amin's declaration of war against Tanzania in 1978, and the having the previously unregarded Tanzanian army retaliate by deposing him with little effort.

Dumbass jihadis.

*and then*

The left and the MSM will not sit by and let the Ethiopians win.

Expect a full court press on Ethiopian "atrocities", invasion of a neighboring free country, yada, yada, yada. Expect all the trimmings.
Then the push for a pull out of Somalia and UN peacekeepers.
The left has not had time to get out the "peace marchers marxists" yet.

You read it here first.

/and Gordons (plural)? Once again you show your complete ignorance of geopolitics. Have you been out protesting Iranian soldiers fighting in Iraq as “insurgents” yet? Didn’t think so asshat.

Ethiopia now has the State Dept as an ally.
State Department: U.S. supports Ethiopian military

WASHINGTON (AP) -- The U.S. State Department signaled Tuesday that it will support the Ethiopian military operations against Somali Islamist forces.

Ethiopia has had "genuine security concerns," stemming from the rise of Islamists in its eastern neighbor, department spokesman Gonzalo Gallego said.

Um, OK. Does that mean they're gonnna let them kill the Islamic enemy or burden them with asinine rules of engagement?

#125 KevinV
I'm sure you heard about the UK attack on an Iraqi Police station on Monday. If we do nothing then it's our fault the Iraqi Police are running death squads. If we do something, then there's a backlash against us for killing Iraqis.

Until we're stacking them like cordwood in Iraq, we will not win ours. Perhaps Ethiopia would like to deploy to Iraq.

You forgot the second part;

All Sunni militias and mosque bases.

All Shi'ite militias and mosque bases.

All members of the "Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq".

All confederates of Iranian agents.

All confederates of Syrian agents.

Any foreign fighters found in country.

Any group or sub-group which comes out in public to support any of the above

Where are they?

You will not find a single Air Force, Navy, Marine or Army pilot that will indiscriminately bomb anyone or any thing.

Now that I've answered your question, easy, answer mine: If there is no one to attack in Iraq, why is the US military there?

We do atttack, when we find them, on a daily basis.

bweep -

Well, yes. And that is because the US and its allies are playing by an absurd set of rules that require us to get something up and running in Basra that has never existed before, i.e. a non-sectarian professional police force that will dispassionately enforce the laws.

Instead, it's just yet another power base by which the warring Stone Age tribes engage each other in sectarian warfare.

The point I'm trying to make is that this is exactly the kind of problem we have self-created by holding a delusional view of the state of the culture in Basra and elsewhere in Iraq.

If we are to rule, *we* must rule. If we are not, then we're just mucking about and should leave.

Did you see that we arrested Iranian government agents hob-nobbing with insurgents and that the head of the Iraqi Govt rushed to explain that they were his invited guests?

What do you call a policy that requires the US to put troops in harm's way for a government held by a pro-Iranian member of the "Society for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq" when Iran is waging war against the US and has for decades?

(Hint: It starts with a "M" and ends with "adness")

easy -

If that is your view you might as well pack it in, because the bad guys aren't going to put on uniforms so long as the American view is that if you blend in with "civilians" you are untouchable. If that is your strategy, we literally cannot win. So why bother?

#94 Nodrog

Yes, there are THINKING Conservatives. They're just not very prevalent on LGF.

Yes, there are THINKING liberals. They're just not very prevalent anywhere; in fact, they are extinct.

There, fixed that for ya...

Go Ethiopia!

#79 gordon --- Let's not forget that the Soviet Union had a very large military presence (as did Cuba, to a much smaller extent) in the Ethiopian capital and in Eritrea, before it gained its independence from Ethiopia, all during the '70s and '80s. Communist buddies of yours, perhaps?

Gordo -

It is very well documented by the Duelfer Report that Saddam had every intention of fully reconstituting his WMD stockpiles after UN sanctions collapsed. It was recently revealed by the NY Times (for reasons of trashing the administration) that Saddam was much closer to nuclear weapons than anyone thought. Or, you could read "A Bomb in My Garden" by an ex-Iraqi nuclear scientist. Saddam was the WMD you friggin' idiot.

Oh, and nodrog, notice how the Ethiopian people became enlightened in the REAL sense, and kicked the Communists OUT?

#137 Clutch -

Speak for yourself.

Islamists countered that they were ready for a long war

It depends on the definition of "until the end of days."

Clutch -

Sorry, didn't realize you were referring to a comment Gordo made. My bad.

#131 -

Our State Dept. shouldn't have said anything about Ethiopia. NO COMMENT would have been fine. Now the Jihadists will claim the Great Satan is fully supporting the infidel Ethiopians and they will be able to play the whine factor at the UN. Damn our government!

#131 RTLM

Hell yeah! American guns + Ethiopian guts= mountains of smoking jihadi corpses.

Ethiopia's army is largely composed of experienced guerrilla fighters that helped overthrow the Derg in 1991 as the Ethiopian Peoples' Revolutionary Democratic Front (EPRDF).

Mix this guerrilla know-how with an interesting and not-all-bad mix of combined-arms tactics and semi-recent vintage Soviet-made air power, and it may just be enough to do the trick quickly and decisively.

If anything, the Ethiopians may have an edge in anticipating their enemies' "tactics," if they deserved to be called that.

Our relationship with Ethiopia has been a long and often close one. The State Dept. link (above) is a fairly interesting read.

#144 Classic Conservative

No problem, "blue on blue" happens here from time to time. You did have me scratching me bald head, trying to figure out where the disconnect came between your #141 and #142 posts. I thought you swapped sides on us for a minute there...

Nodrog messes up everything, it is just its' way...

#80

Agreed.

#148 -

Ya, trolls really do know how to get in the way. But Gordo is fun, need "the other side" for kicks sometime.

Somalia Sheik Sharif Sheik Ahmed: Poor Us

“The fighting has now entered into new phase since the Ethiopians are using heavy weapons, tanks and fighter jets and bombed on several locations, we have decided to order our fighters to draw back from the towns for military techniques,” Sheik Ahmed giving reasons to their retreat and loss of towns said. “Since we have no heavy weapons we would start endless hit and run fighting against the Ethiopian invaders... We are again telling the international community that we (ICU) have no links with Al-Qaeda and there are no terrorist members in our country, here we have Somalis who stoop up for restoring their peace and security nothing else,” said Sharif.

Thank you Bill Roggio

The accursed Nodrog appears to have slithered back to its lair, for a while at least, its masochistic lust to be pummelled, abused, and humiliated sated for the time being.

Like any other creature of instinct, though, its urges will return, itch by itch, the old self-loathing will re-assert itself and it will return for more.

ummm . . . not trying to be difficult here, but I believe that the US soldiers killed in Mogadishu were not Marines, but Army. Either way, the Somali buttwipes who committed the desecration of the dead raised barbarism (or lowered it!) to a whole, new and terribly disgusting level.

Frankly, I am with Ethiopia on this one. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

I wonder what the response will be from the Europeans and American leftists who condemned the Israel reprisals in Lebanon. Will we soon be treated to stories of innocent Somalians hurt by Ethiopeans? Or about the horror of Ethiopean jets bombing civilian targets? I say don't hold your breath - the left does not support Muslims so much as it hates Jews. The self-righteous critics of Israel will sit this one out.

Ethiopia kicking Islamist butt in Somalia

KevinV.

If that is your view you might as well pack it in, because the bad guys aren't going to put on uniforms so long as the American view is that if you blend in with "civilians" you are untouchable. If that is your strategy, we literally cannot win. So why bother?

Our rules and actions allow for, and take into account, non-combatant causalities . We just try to minimize them.

It is easy for you and I to sit here and dispassionately discuss killing people. We don't have to do it.

perhaps Africa is our last hope.

I'd wager that the Ethiopian army/air force could probably kick the respective French/German forces in any dogfight.

I hope U.S. military equipment/funds are being dropped in Ethiopia *in the middle of the night*.

#158 Sagamore Gal

Hope and pray

"Out in the ocean in the middle of the night/grease gun, Ka-Bar by my side"

that's what we pay them for

"ummm . . . not trying to be difficult here, but I believe that the US soldiers killed in Mogadishu were not Marines, but Army. Either way, the Somali buttwipes who committed the desecration of the dead raised barbarism (or lowered it!) to a whole, new and terribly disgusting level."

Army Troopers from the 3rd Ranger Bn, SFOD-Delta, and the 160th SOAR "Nightstalkers". Delta snipers Shugart & Gordon were martyrs on that day defending the Durant crash site... Troopers from the 10th Mountain were part of the relief element to extract the beseiged Spec Ops Troopers...

The somali ass whipes returned the corpses they mutilated CHARRED AND DECAPITATED...

#151 RTLM

we have decided to order our fighters to draw back from the towns for military techniques to hide amongst women and children.

we would start endless hit and run fighting against the Ethiopian invaders...

Didn't Baghdad Bob say something like that.

At least 54 Iraqis died Tuesday in bombings, officials said, including a coordinated strike that killed 25 in western Baghdad. Separately, the U.S. military announced the deaths of seven American soldiers, raising the death toll significantly in one of the bloodiest months for the military this year.

Q. Whats the fastest land animal?
A. A muslim in Ethioipa!

Baw haw!

Maybe the ETHIOS could loan us a brigade or two for Iraq duty. The ETHIOS have been fighting the [bigoted word]s since the days of the Christian state of Nubia was over-run by the moon worshippers sometime in the 7th or 8th century.

The Corps got blooded before in Somalia, too, but the famous images from Mog were Rangers/Nightstalkers/Delta troopers. God bless Gordon and Shugart, and all our blessed martyrs.

"Two Delta snipers are again requesting permission to secure the second crash site"

No greater love than this.

Maybe the Ethiopians will teach us how to actually finish a war. I suspect their rules of engagement will be a bit looser than those our fighting forces are subjected to.

AP reports that Islamic forces are in retreat in Somalia
[Link: www.cnn.com...]

re #166

MOGADISHU, Somalia (AP) -- Somalia government and Ethiopian troops advanced toward the country's capital Tuesday as Islamic fighters retreated, bloodied by a week of artillery and mortar attacks but promising a "new phase" in the war -- a chilling pronouncement from a movement that has threatened suicide attacks.

#153 Jefiner

Frankly, I am with Ethiopia on this one. The enemy of my enemy is my friend.

As much as I agree in this case, we have to be very careful with that sentiment. That's what led us to support a series of people, in Central/South America and the Mideast, that we later regretted. Sometimes the proper sentiment is "a pox on both their houses". It takes careful thought and lots of guessing.

Go Ethioplia!

I hope they have a plan to win the peace.

when will Clinton give his Fox interview that he was the one that did the most out of anybody for peace in Somalia?

surprised that the Clinton machine has not come out against Ethiopia yet...they hate when someone succeeds at something they fail...so they do what comes natural to them...attack the successful and rewrite history

the world (specifically the US of A) needs to wake up before 2008 - if the Clintons come to power again we will be a muslim country before too long...

Bill made a deal that he does not have to convert or die to get 72 virgins...

and Hilary gets to put abortion as a reimbursable expense in her health care system.

Gordon is using play 1 from page 1 of the liberals handbook...

when put on the defensive or if someone attacks you - attack them back for the same thing (even if there is no truth there) and attack them more with more viciousness than you received.

1) Gordon suffers from proctocranial insertion

2) Gordon takes his own ailment and turns it around

3) Gordon attacks conservatives for not thinking

Gordon - I wouldn't wipe my own ass with the paper your birth certificate is printed on...

oh and Happy Holidays!

"A joint Somali government and Ethiopian force has broken the back of the international terrorist forces... These forces are in full retreat," Meles told reporters in Addis Ababa, adding that up to 1,000 Islamist fighters had been killed.

"A few are Somali but the majority are foreigners," he said of the dead.

Works for me.

I take back all the jokes I told back in the '80's about fast Ethiopian fowl.

So Eithiopia is doing what the rest of the world must do, yet doesn't have the will.

Go Eithiopia, show us all how it is done. Just kick as, bomb them to Hell and show no mercy. They wouldn't show mercy toward you and they aren't interested in reconciliation. They earned the Hell that you are giving them. Let them have it!

Ethiopia has an army? Who knew?

Let's hope they don't know the meaning of the word "reloa...er, truce".

I bet the Eithiopians cut off a few heads, and pour pig blood on them. That would send a shiver to all of these Muslim slime! And there's no CNN "reporters" out there to condemn their actions! I say where do I sign up? I would love to take a few of these Muspigs out, saw off their heads, pour pig blood on them, and then go look for some more that need their 72 virgins! An "eye for an eye?" I say a "head for a head!" These Muslim savages understand one thing and that's more force and butchery than they could even imagine.

The Ethipian Air Force has a pretty capable, if not eclectic, selection of aircraft in their inventory. As usual, a mixture of Russian and Western hardware; some old, some relatively new. Nothing terribly cutting-edge, but all quite capable. Here is some of what the EAF has available in it's inventory:

Russian-built: MiG-21, Su-25, Su-27, Mi-6
US-built: DC-3 (yes, DC-3!), T-33, F-5
Other: Alouette III, Aero L-29 Albatros

The MiG-21 and T-33 are ancient, by fighter aircraft standards, but were built for many years and are capable in their assigned roles.

The Somailis, OTOH, have several Soviet-era aircraft, but likely have no qualified pilots and the aircraft themselves are probably not flyable. Sucks to be them, as they say!

"Our military is skirting the towns and attacking only military bases,"

Lets just hope that they go back and clean out the towns that they are skirting!

Here's how the Arab media portrays this little war:

"After fifteen years of murderous chaos, Somalia was on the brink of peace. The Union of Islamic Courts (UIC) had achieved what the squabbling warlords had failed so signally to do. They had brought stability and an end to violence in the capital Mogadishu and large areas of the country."

"Washington is backing the warlords and their Ethiopian protectors because they are certain that the UIC is another Taleban that will harbor and foster Al-Qaeda terrorists. There is once again no attempt to analyze the real nature of the UIC or their outstanding success in a country for so long driven by internal conflict. The Bush White House is yet again driven by a simplistic and racist rationale to confront a Muslim party. The bigotry is reinforced by the fact that the Ethiopians are Christian.

Such dunderheaded foreign-policy assessments by Washington have already cost tens of thousands of lives. Thanks to this learn-nothing US administration, the price in blood seems set to rise yet further."

From Arab News: [Link: www.arabnews.com...]

I wonder about the follow-through. Is the current operation going to be enough?

The question now is whether Ethiopian forces will try to seize Mogadishu.

At the United Nations on Tuesday, the special envoy for Somalia, François Lonseny Fall, urged the Security Council to call for a cease-fire, saying that although the interim government’s forces were advancing toward Mogadishu, they were “still facing stiff resistance” in several areas. Speaking at an emergency session, he said he feared that continuing violence could have “serious consequences” for the entire region.

Ethiopia’s deputy foreign minister, Tekeda Alemu, said taking Mogadishu was not part of the plan.

Islamists Retreat in Somalia

Wa'ta'alla'ah!

The mighty army of Allan can't stop the stick figures from rolling into the holy city of Mogadishu? Oh Allah (SAW), break their backs 1 million times and pull out their brains...

Yes, there are THINKING Conservatives. They're just not very prevalent on LGF.

Halp us, O Nogrod! Weer stuck hear in LFG!

While retreating before conventional Ethipopian forces, the Islamists plan to lure them into a protrated insurgency.

Anyone see a pattern here?

The "lesson learned" should be to destroy them utterly at the first opportunity.

On LGF, anyone who kills Muslims is exalted.

Wa'salla'am, bitch!

#183 NamDoc67

Agreed. If the Ethiopians actually do blast the slammos, then pop smoke, it will be instructive to see if the population swings with the new wind, as it were. Is it better to squash the terrorists, then GTFO?

I'm not second-guessing US Policy, by the way, just looking for some free lessons learned for the next time we do this. For there will be many more times. One way or another.

Sufferin' succotash, it must really suck to be an Islamist, Al Quaida, Muslim Brother, a Sunni Islamist fanatic and fight a battle during the Haj time and Loose. Oh, the ignominy and humiliation of it all.

What is that sound? That "popping noise"? Oh, that is the sound of Islamist heads exploding. For various reasons and from various causes.

Go Ethiopia!

Maybe the stick figures can teach the clintonistas how a war is fought.

T -33s? Go, T-Birds. I just spoke to a T-33 driver. And those Sukhois should prove a potent Yankee Air Pirate brew, for the camel-copulating Sunnis of the Courts.

if only we'd ACTUALLY fight them...muslim armies are hopeless

A victory for Ethiopia would be a blow against global Islamism.

According to the United Nations, the Somali Islamists are supported by Djibouti, Egypt, Eritrea, Iran, Libya, Saudi Arabia, Syria and the Lebanese militia Hezbollah ...

Somalia Islamists Retreat (Kuwaiti Times)

Anyone know where I can get an Ethiopian flag?
I would love to see a rally in support of Ethiopia, with thousands chanting "We are all Ethiopians".

Fascist Ethiopian neo-cons at it again? I've read about these guys and their so-called "Project for a New Ethiopian Century".

They are only invading Somalia for the BANANAS!

Zenawi and his cohorts at Banaburton will be made rich beyond their wildest dreams while the Ummah gets hoofed in the stones again.

No Blood for Bananas!

---paging mama moonbat---

Best of luck to Ethiopia and our good wishes go woth you. I've been to Addis Ababa on a few ocassions and the Ethiopians are a fantastic people. Warm, generous and good natured. A far more pleasant people then many of their more hostile neighbours...

I fear though that they really are alone i that area of North/North East africa. They are surrounded by agressive Muslim ****s.

Good news is hard to believe. But it is welcome.

On LGF, anyone who kills Muslims is exalted

Who said this? Someone that thinks we should have tea and cakes with them instead?

If those that defend Liberty are praised here then it is as it should be. islamonazis are the enemy of Liberty and of America.

Death to America they chant...and you cannot find reason to praise those that fight and kill the enemy for freedom's sake? You cannot find reason to rejoice at the demise of America's enemies?

We require neither your council nor your arms...

Long Live Liberty

#182 haakondahl

Yes, there are THINKING Conservatives. They're just not very prevalent on LGF.

Halp us, O Nogrod! Weer stuck hear in LFG!

Bwaaahahahahahahaahaaa!

POST OF THE YEAR! hahahahahahahahahahaa

Ethiopia, um Ethiopia...didn't they have a problem with famine recently? We should never let an Ethiopian go hungry again (as long as they're willing to kill islamists that is). After they've been fed we could outsource the retaking of Baghdad to them.

The international Anti-American press are going freaking nuts over this.

"Supporting a dictator to remove the only stabilizing force (islamic courts) in Somalia" blah blah blah.

When Bush made the comment about bombing al jazeera's headquarters, lefties got mad. The press is a propaganda tool for the enemy, and therefore is a legitimate target in my opinion.

You can't ever win hearts and minds while that rabble continues to exist to spread opposing views much easier.

I know what would win the middle east over: #1 getting off their oil, #2 using military force to keep them from obtaining WMD's, #3 letting them rot on their own

Of course, in the course of military action against an ally of ours...we then will call open season on that nation.

I'd say "we'd send them back to the stone age" but I believe they are already there.

Go Ethiopia. You know you were next once Somalia could be organized under an Islamic government.

*** Last note: All the press makes little mention of the fact that the UN recognized somalian government is helping Ethiopia. The press is instead make it appear as if the Islamic courts are the best thing since sliced bread and Ethiopia is the evil one.

New York Times & LA Times are no better than the international press. No wonder they get so many threats and anthrax sent to them.

Ethiopia (such a wonderful sounding name) is showing the cowards of the world how to act against bullies.

You threaten me, you threaten to kill my family, I take your head off, kabish?

Brilliant Ethiopia!

Follow the lead US - in Iraq. Islamists are just cowards and besides bombs and bullshit are no match for a fight. Take the lead from a dirt poor African country on how to get it done right.

Next time, I will donate even more to the people of that country. Wow!

A few thoughts in order -

1. Gerald R. Ford - and yes this is ghoulish -
has done his nation and Western Civilization a great favor by dying at this time. His death, remembrance and funeral will suck all of the oxygen out of what would otherwise be coverage of the Ethiopian/Somali war. Out of sight, out of mind, with Ethiopian troops surrounding Mogadishu by the time the late former president is buried.
2. 300 captured jihadis WITH BRITISH PASSPORTS.
Hope the Ethiopians retain all of the passports.
Send copies of them to the appropriate UK authorities. I'm sure there is a treasure trove of information to be gleaned. UK passports would tend to be held by ethnic Pakistanis. As for the Jihadis themselves - OH WELL - under Geneva Conventions
they can be tried in the field and shot should the Ethiopians care to do so.
3. And the idea of Ethiopian troops "sub-contrcted" to control Baghdad does have its appeal. It would be a great humiliation for a Muslim nation to be occupied by armed
Christian Black Africans with loose rules of engagement. -S-

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"Somalia Conflict Sparks East Africa Terror Fears"
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com Managing Editor
December 28, 2006

ARTICLE SNIPPET: "(CNSNews.com) - Islamic radicals wanting to bring international pressure to bear on the fighting in Somalia -- where Ethiopian forces are trouncing Islamists -- may target Western facilities in East Africa for suicide bombings, a U.S.-based Somali campaigner warned Wednesday.

Terrorists hoped such attacks would "engulf the whole region" and increase the likelihood that bodies like the Arab League and European Union would intervene and cut short the rout of the Islamists, said Omar Jamal, executive director of the Somali Justice Advocacy Center.

Jamal said by phone from Minnesota that many Somalis desperate for stability after 16 years of conflict had welcomed the arrival of the Islamists known as the Islamic Court Union (ICU) when they seized control of Mogadishu last June by ousting an alliance of warlords and businessmen."

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