Well, duh!

I wonder whose "state" the State Department is really protecting?

So our State Department is complicit in the Murder of US Citizens. Now how screwed are we really?

Amazing and we can't get rid of these clowns?

Can you say Constitutional Convention?

Now we have to protect ourselves from our own government again?

State, is an independent fiefdom, and needs not to be overhauled, but dismantled, and built anew.

Exactly how many times was Arafat a guest in the Lincoln bedroom?

Our government has known this for 33 years, but covered it up to avoid angering US “friends” in the Arab world.

What friends?

While I understand the need to stretch/color/twist the truth at times for the sake of diplomatic relations, I am at a loss over this lie.

I don't think I'll be waving any flags anytime soon.

State Dept Document Admits Arafat Ordered Killings of US Diplomats

Foggy Bottom's latest nonsense: looking for the "back channel".

But didn't he win the Nobel Peace Prize?

Everyone who knew of this coverup should be fired, possibly prosecuted, and definitely subject to civil lawsuits from the families.

Appeasers.

33 years of politicians betraying America ?
Not bad, not bad indeed.

spit

Well, imagine that. The next thing that they will say is that Arabfat was sending millions of dollars to his wife in Fwance every month or so.

What a friggin surprise!

Jimmmaaah 'the cricket' Carter, care to respond? (didn't think so)

How bout you Bubba? As I recall YA was the most frequent visitor to the WH during your administration.

The State Department isn't complicit in the murders. It just stood in the way of justice being done, which would have involved watching Arafat perpwalked and brought to justice. The coverup is almost worse than the crime.

Instead, he was feted at the White House and given the Nobel Prize for peace for signing a piece of paper that has never been implemented by the Palestinians as far as their obligations to stop terrorism against Israel was concerned.

Picture Madame All-Dumb chasing Arafat at Camp David, insisting he make peace.

Whores of the Caliphate

The State Department is so vile that they covered up not only the murder of American citizens, but ambassadors themselves.

Arafat following orders from Al-Mumit-The bringer of Death,The Destroyer..The Pgan god of Islam.

'There can be no greater achievement than for the USA to assist in the creation of a Palestinian State.'

'We in America understand the benevolence that lies at the heart of Islam.'

'Did you know I once had an oil tanker named after me?'

-Condofuckingleeza Rice,
Secretary of State of the United States of America

Some heartwarming pictures to accompany this article:
[Link: www.censurecarter.com...]

[Link: theunpopulist.blogs.com...]

#21 Maine's Michael

A re-run

Diplobabbling Whoredoms of Doom

Wonder what else the govt. knows about Arab killers and terrorists that it chooses not to share with us, for one reason or another.

#11 Scaramouche

FROM YOU LINK

CAIRO (Reuters) - The U.S. secretary of state will visit the Middle East next month, Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday, adding he would discuss with her the idea of a "back channel" for negotiations with Israel.

I cannot post what we all think.

Notice that they wanted Sirhan Sirhan freed. But he was just a lone nut, right?

"Our government has known this for 33 years, but covered it up to avoid angering US “friends” in the Arab world."

AND, CONTINUED TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE MAN AS IF HE WERE TO BE TRUSTED.

We the people have been duped.

How much worse is a terrorist than a terrorist appeaser and sympathizer.

The President should issue a FORMAL APOLOGY to the families of the murdered State Department employees for this country's atrocious conduct!

#5 BIG

Exactly how many times was Arafat a guest in the Lincoln bedroom?

Never mind that. How much American taxpayers money have the Palestinians had in 'aid' over the last 33 years?

#25 Myself

But I can post this:
do we really need to know these details of the meetings between condi and abbas ?

Don't forget that when Bill Clinton was president, Yasser was his most frequent house guest.

Not just a leader of a country we've had conflicts with, but the hands-on planner of a delibrate murder of official American representatives. We knew it then, and not only was nothing done to Arafat, he was treated with respect by us.

This document is merely declassified now. We the government have known this without a doubt for decades.

And yet Clinton invited this man into our country, into his home, into OUR home, the White House, to dine, socialize, and lay his murdering little head beneath our roof.

Not just once, but more than any other person.

#29 bweep

Not "aid"; jizya.

'The good cause of the Palestinian People.'

'You're either with us, or against us (unless you're really, really against us, in which case we'll just lean on the Jews a bit to get you to like us a little bit more, maybe, how 'bout it? Please?).'

-George W. Bush, 43rd President of the United States of America

#27 Pastorius

We the people have been duped

.

Richly, abundantly, continuously, continually, repeatedly...

As usual, zombie, very clear and precise.

Your discussion of the evidence presented is better than that presented by Human Rights Watch, and the discussion of provenance is instructive.

Thank you.

I'd call State a bunch of fucking whores, but it would insult the whores.

The State Department is a SWAMP. Drain the swamp! Condi, clean the damn place OUT!

#34 Maine's Michael

#@*&*!

back channel! LOL!

Would be nice if our govt could say something like "The Road Map starts with a demand to END terroristm and incitement. When that has happened we can all talk, including front, rear, and side channels."

Unfortunately, as we all know, there has been a huge change of view and sentiment in the White House following Israel's failure. That will not soon be undone. You have to win if you want allies and friends. Nobody but a charity sticks with losers for long. Listening, Olmert?

Noel was a diplomat, one of State's own people. I guess they didn't mind him 'taking one for the team'.

#28 LaMano

The President should issue a FORMAL APOLOGY to the families of the murdered State Department employees for this country's atrocious conduct!

I'd go a hell of a lot further than that. The families need to bring suit against the U.S. Government due to this hindrance of justice. They could have brought suit in a world court against the bastard but it was covered up. For who, for what?

It's Springtime for Hitler... again.

the problem is that government likes everything to be status quo

government fears change

and frankly, who can blame them, with our fickle population? We just cut the legs out from under W, didn't we?

#38 LaMano

Condi, clean the damn place OUT!

I would say that she is the best arabist ever.

cONDI GO HOME, play the damn music and shut up !

Nuke the State Dept.!
/Really folks, the State Dept. is not a sovereign entity.

At least GWB played much harder ball with YA than his predecessors.

They ought to exhume YA and hang his dead ass. Just for kicks.

#27 Pastorius

We the people have been duped

ya been had
took
hoodwinked
bamboozled
led astray
run amuck

#47 Killgore Trout 12/28/2006 09:36AM PST

/Really folks, the State Dept. is not a sovereign entity.

AMEN

If I were the president, I would have invited Arafat to the White House also. I would wine him and dine him. Then, after a nice gourmet meal and after Arafat had retired for the night, I would have sent a couple of brawny Secret Service agents into his bedroom and had them suffocate the bastard with a pillow. Then I would issue a pardon to the Secret Service agents the next morning.

You know what's going to happen if they manage to find a "back channel"? Israel will get shtupped in the arse.

been dazed and confused for so long it's not true...

They could have brought suit in a world court against the bastard but it was covered up. For who, for what?

For the sake of some wealthy men in flowing robes drinking illicit whiskey in palaces bathed by desert breezes.

Rumor is, Condi actually did quit the govt to go home and become a concert pianist. But a week later, she was spotted at a rally where people were chanting "We HATE pianos! Kill the piano makers!" So she returned to the govt. The story has been kept out of the mainstream press, for obvious reasons.

Wonder what they are still covering up... And how badly that will come to bite us in the back channel.

Meanwhile, is Syria working on a clandestine nuclear program based on materials from Iraq?

Big (#5),

Exactly how many times was Arafat a guest in the Lincoln bedroom?

Well, Yasir was the single most invited guest to the White House during the Clinton administration.

When soon-to-be-billionaire Suha accused Israel of deliberately poisoning palestinians, Hillary hugged her.

#45 Friarstale

We just cut the legs out from under W, didn't we?

The media did, the media did, with an unrelenting campaign of lies that went on from one month after September Eleven.

You can't blame common people, who work hard and have little time to get informed, for being THE VICTIM of brainwashing.

We are the ones who must do better: inform and explain and spread the true news.

Don't attack The People.

Especially when this President doesn't even take the tame to learn to speak properly.

Clinton wasn't the worst. Let's not let Jimmah off the hook here. He admired Arafat, open and unapologetic murderer.

From Carterpalooza:

Arafat, for his part, railed against the Reagan administration and its alleged “betrayals.”

Rosalynn Carter, taking notes for her husband, interjected, “You don’t have to convince us!” Brinkley records that this “elicited gales of laughter all round.” Carter himself, according to Brinkley, “agreed that the Reagan administration was not renowned as promise keepers” (this, to Arafat).

If you are sickened by the thought of a former U.S. president and a former First Lady of the United States and the career terrorist Yasser Arafat all sitting around bashing Ronald Reagan . . . you and I think alike.

Carter decided to help Arafat with his taqqiyah, re-wording his usual speech to Arabs or Arabist UN members for American audiences deliberatly to sway sympathies toward the PLO and away from Israel.

After Carter had that first meeting with Arafat, he went home and promptly served the PLO head as PR adviser and speechwriter. What do I mean? Listen to Brinkley: “On May 24 Carter drafted on his home computer the strategy and wording for a generic speech Arafat was to deliver soon for Western ears . . .” Said Carter, “The audience is not the Security Council, but the world community. The objective of the speech should be to secure maximum sympathy and support of other world leaders . . . The Likud leaders are now on the defensive, and must not be given any excuse for continuing their present abusive policies.”

tame/ time

The scary part is that I am not surprised.

Their GOD is money

Off-topic, but one of the looniest eco-idiot pieces I have read in quite some time...

"Researchers: Baking impacts Puget Sound

Researchers at the University of Washington say all that holiday baking and eating has an environmental impact — Puget Sound is being flavored by cinnamon and vanilla. "Even something as fun as baking for the holiday season has an environmental effect," said Rick Keil, an associate professor of chemical oceanography. "When we bake and change the way we eat, it has an impact on what the environment sees. To me it shows the connectedness."

Keil and UW researcher Jacquelyn Neibauer's weekly tests of treated sewage sent into the sound from the West Point treatment plant in Magnolia showed cinnamon, vanilla and artificial vanilla levels rose between Nov. 14 and Dec. 9, with the biggest spike right after Thanksgiving.

Natural vanilla showed the largest increase, "perhaps indicative of more home baking using natural vanilla," Keil and Neibauer wrote.

"This conjecture is weakly supported by a verbal communication between Rick Keil and an employee of the Wallingford QFC (supermarket) who felt that natural vanilla peaked during the holiday seasons," the scientists' preliminary report says. "This will be investigated more thoroughly."

So far, the research has turned up no evidence that snickerdoodles are harming sea creatures, but their research does lead to some serious environmental questions. Fish rely heavily on their sense of smell to locate food, for example, and, in the case of salmon, to find their way back to their home stream to spawn.

"All the spices have odors associated with them, so it's interesting to ask whether they are there in sufficient concentration (for fish) to smell them," Keil said.

Using benchmarks from a published scientific study, they were able to estimate that people in Seattle and a few outlying areas served by the sewage plant scarfed down the daily equivalent of about 160,000 butter- or chocolate-chip-type cookies and about 80,000 cookies containing cinnamon during the Thanksgiving weekend.

The county did not spend any money on the study, but officials at King County's Wastewater Treatment Division said they were happy to cooperate because they expected the results to reinforce their message: What goes down the drain has to come out somewhere.

That goes both for pesticides and industrial chemicals as well as vanilla and cinnamon.

"It's an ability to look at a whole population's behavior through one pipe," said Randy Schuman, a county science and technical support manager who helped arrange the wastewater testing.

Keil's findings present a light side of what scientists say is potentially a serious situation. Scientists at the U.S. Geological Survey and other agencies have documented that antibiotics, contraceptives, perfumes, painkillers, antidepressants and other substances pass through the sewage system into waterways.

King County researchers several years took caffeine measurements to try to learn whether the city's coffee drinking habits had any effect on the sound. Caffeine was found in more than 160 of 216 samples in water as deep as 640 feet.

"It was everywhere," Schuman said. "There's an effect (from) humans on the sound and it's almost ubiquitous. It's not just at the end of the (discharge) pipe."

___

Information from: Seattle Post-Intelligencer, [Link: www.seattle-pi.com...]

Just another lesson from the vaunted Nixon/Kissinger School of Realism.

Of course some context is important (and applicable to today). When this happened the US was on it's way out of Vietnam thanks to the 'peace' movement and Democrats. And yet our 'redeployment' from Vietnam only seemed to embolden our enemies.

Skip ahead 30 some odd years and the same people (literally in the case of people like Ted Kennedy) are still trying to bring down America. How many lives will it cost us this time if they get their way again?

And by keeping this "secret" what was to be gained? Contempt from every Islamist, Muslim, and opportunist in the Middle East to whom this story was common knowledge the day after Noel was killed.

Another thing that most people do not know is that Saudi Arabia does tax one "Nationality" of expatriate that works in the Magic Kingdom. Palestinians are assessed a 15% with-holding tax, on income, which is remitted to the PA (Originally the PLO)

they probably thought it might offend the moderate muslims of the world.

There is no "revelation" here.

Arafat's personal role was known from the time of the dastardly event onwards. It was even known that directed the beating and murder of the three kidnapped diplomats (2 U.S., 1 Belgian) over the telephone.

And the State Department has all along had tapes of the telephone calls all along.

It tried to hush up the daughter of one of the victims, and tried to coerce her into not revealing the truth.

Right after this happened, the facts were published in print in many sources. Later on, they were also on many internet sites.

So the State Department did not succeed in keeping any secrets -- Least of all the secret of its own unconscionable malfeasance.

When Secretary of State Albright publically embraced Arafat she KNEW that he had murdered two high ranking diplomats of her own Department.

Yasir Arafat, the Father of Modern Terrorism.

Medals and Honors:

"Noble Peace Prize" for his distinguished record mass murdering Jews

The BBC's "Barbara Plett Tears Award" for being poisoned by the Jooos

The "Haj Amin al-Husseini was my uncle and a dear friend of Mr. Hitler" medal

The "I-was-a-Palestinian-pay-no-attention-to-my-birth -certificate" award

The "War is Deceit" award

The "I like young boys" prize for followers of the Pedophile Prophet

Jimmy Carter, apologist for Arafat

Doesn't that make Abbas an accomplice?

He was Arafat's bag man in those days.

Dubya on Abbas:

'A man of peace. . . I can work with him.'

Jimmy Carter's words about Arafat upon his death:

He said that while Arafat provided "indispensable leadership to a revolutionary movement" and played a key role in forging a peace agreement with Israel in 1993, he was excluded from negotiations in recent years.

Straight from the Marxist's horse's mouth. I don't think Hugo Chavez could have put it any better, Jimmuh!

Poiters

do we really need to know these details of the meetings between condi and abbas Babbalouie ?

Fits.

#71 Maine's Michael 12/28/2006 09:43AM PST

Doesn't that make Abbas an accomplice?

He was Arafat's bag man in those days.

Dubya on Abbas:

'A man of peace. . . I can work with him.'

Abbas is one of those moderates some lizards have been talking about. :-)

#71 Maine's Michael

#69 ibrodsky

Arafat sure enjoyed using the "back channel".

An Amoral weakness in US goverment policies.

Here is little quote from Iraq The Model.

The ideology of the extremists believes in "either victory or martyrdom" and now they think they are closer to the former and this will be used to attract more of the reluctant to the camp that considers itself close to victory and we'll see intensified media efforts invested in this field.
What I want to say here is that now I believe more that I must disagree with those who claim that wrong American policy breeds extremism, and now I believe more than ever that wrong signals that might be interpreted as weakness are what can be exploited by the enemy to give more credit to extremism especially under the current circumstances.

But but ...Israel needed a peace partner --someone to come to terms with, to negotiate with, to reach agreements with, you see.

Foggy Bottom But Spit.

State Department diplomats, worried that murder charges against Arafat would anger the United States' friends in the Arab world, are urging the Justice Department to drop the investigation.

Disgusting to see that the State Department covers up for terrorists who murder State Department employees.

I hope the Families of the Victims will now sue the arafart family for two zillion dollars and make a mess in condi's plans.

#50 BabbaZee
There's plenty of blame to go around on this: Administrations of Nixon though Dubbya could have declassified this anytime they wanted to. the State Dept. couldn't have declassified this earlier if they wanted to and the only reason we're seeing it now is becuase it hit the 20 year expiration date.

This is what they call Realpolitik. Yes and it has worked out so well- we can see Arafat's legacy today. Death, despair and hatred.

More on Jimmuh's sentiments in regards to Arafat.

I would hope their relatives will sue the Pally government and get assests from the ones the USA holds.

#81 Killgore Trout
This merely is the tip of an iceberg that no one wants to see.

/Isn't the ice cream delicious?

P-L is deeply disgusted.

Official announcement.

When you think they have reached the bottomEST bottom, they make you puke with new politician porn arts.

Make that two deeply disgusted warriors.

I always wondered why he won the Nobel prize. Now I know.

OT: Judging from jersies and sweats, there is about a 5 to 1 K-State to Rutgers fan ratio at the mall. This may not mean a 5 to 1 ratio at the bowl game, as people from Manhattan, KS, where there is absolutely nothing to do are more likely to flock to a shopping mall than people from the Garden State, which while far from perfect, does have malls.

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

Hang on.

James J. Welsh, then the National Security Agency's Palestinian analyst, saw a communication intercepted from Arafat to his terrorist commandos in Sudan ...

Welsh believes the initial cover-up of the communications breakdown and the role of Arafat was launched to prevent embarrassment to the State Department and White House. President Nixon was in the death throes of the Watergate scandal at the time. The last thing he needed was an international scandal.

After Nixon was gone, the whole matter of the Arafat tapes was kept quiet to protect the future viability of signals intelligence intercepts of this kind. The cover-up persisted to foster Arafat's role as a "peacemaker" and leader of the Palestinian cause.

So it wasn't all for the sake of our friends the Arabs.

#90 Ward Cleaver 12/28/2006 09:50AM PST

With friends like that, who needs enemas?

Who do you mean? Araft or the State Department?

After reading Mark Steyn's America Alone (excellent book, by the way!) and hearing stuff like this, I am very sad and angry about the West rolling over and peeing on itself instead of growing a pair and fighting.

What possible motivation does this agency have to reveal something like this now...in this day & age?

I think I smell a rat.

Doesn't it strike anyone else as queer that such a damning, inflamitory scandal would be revealed 33 years after the fact? Does anyone else think this is strange or am I the only suspicious Norwegian Troll on this blog? Seems like it was designed to ruin the average American's faith in it's country...just like Nixon's actions did.

Very, very curious indeed.

~Norsk Troll

#87 BabbaZee
The next few years are going to turn up some really interesting declassifications. The Carter stuff is reaching it's 20 year expiration.

Who was that reporter chick who cried reporting Arafat's funeral?

#93 GregInSeattle 12/28/2006 09:51AM PST

After reading Mark Steyn's America Alone (excellent book, by the way!) and hearing stuff like this, I am very sad and angry about the West rolling over and peeing on itself instead of growing a pair and fighting.

Better watch out. Pointing out the course we are following and saying its a losing stategy will get you vilified on here. :-)

#95 Killgore Trout
The days of the Torches and Pitchforks approacheth...

Found this via Michelle Malkin:

CNN is marketing the sniper video showing our troops getting shot.

Traitors

Gee, I wonder why the NYT did not disclose this classified information?

#101 big-dog 12/28/2006 09:55AM PST

Gee, I wonder why the NYT did not disclose this classified information?

They only disclose classified information that will hurt our country and aid or enemies.

#92 Elric66

Well, mainly our "friends" in the Arab world, but State, too.

#97 Elric66

unsolicited Babba Advice:

Make your face like flint

and stop whining about being vilified ...

yes, torches and pitchforks are what I was thinking about...

and the role of the Army to defend the Constitution maimed and offended by one hundred years of goodfellas and subversion...

gatling-spit

So Bill and Hillary Clinton both knew these facts, for their entire presidency.

This would make a good question for Hillary in her run up to the Presidency.

It seems more and more, that the State Dept. is a government inside our government, separate from the 3 branches of our government, with autonomy, and the ability to make blunders of astronomical proportions, with no discipline, no consequences, no investigation, no reprocussions.

No wonder people want to work there!

Why is it, that the President and his Administration can be investigated, the Congress can be investigated, the Supreme Court can have justices removed from it, yet, the State Dept. has the ability to do whatever it wants, and does, with no authority over them?

#103 Ward Cleaver 12/28/2006 09:56AM PST

#92 Elric66

Well, mainly our "friends" in the Arab world, but State, too.

Can treason charges be brought forth for hiding the fact that someone hid facts showing that a foreign "leader" ordered hits on our diplomats?

OT- Ethiopia kick-butt update

In Ethiopia, Prime Minister Meles Zenawi vowed to inflict total defeat on the Islamic movement and said he hoped the fighting would be over "in days, if not in a few weeks."
...
In the south, meanwhile, the Islamic militants vowed to continue their fight against the government and Ethiopian forces, saying they had fled Mogadishu to spare civilian deaths.

Because, you know, Islamic "militants" are all about sparing civilian deaths.

And I suspect the government back then was cleaner than today. Today's hidden evils are probably even greater than this by far.

ooops/duh...
FOI has a 30 year time limit...
Background on Declassification

The new regulations provided that all classified information more than 30 years old was to be systematically reviewed for declassification by the Archivist of the United States, and all newly classified information was to be automatically declassified after 30 years except for specifically identified information which the head of the originating agency determined to require further protection.

Me not good with facts 'n' math.
/blushing

Our State Dept. is infested with liberals, socialists, AKA Democrats - top to bottom. Conservative appointees choose the easy road - consensus - in a false belief that going along will at least get some Presidential objectives accomplished.

Career executives at State routinely leak classified intelligence, strategic planning, and even imminent legal action to media, other governments in a clear effort to undermine Executive Branch goals (translated as citizenry imperatives). Consistently - even to the point of 'shopping' their treason to anyone, for free.

The only effective strategy is a house cleaning at State, coinciding with a serious, effective (ala Rumsfeld) Secretarial appointment. Condi is already compromised, retire her.

Honorable Senator Santorum,
I think you should thank G*d for having been busted: now stay away from these clowns, and at the same time get ready for the future.
I have heard you are preparing a book about the incoming storm. Good.
The People will gladly call you when the time of the clowns will end.

Best regards

P-L

Kilgore

Me not good with facts 'n' math.

LOL ~ thanks... I needed to smile at something.

See you all later.

#104 taxfreekiller
Yeah,,, my bad.

George Bush should admit he lied...

...about moving the US Embassy to Jerusalem.

The US covered up for one of the grandfathers of the modern terrorist hijak.

And look how the artform has progressed since then.

#112 wvobiwan

Thank you.

That clears things up for me a bit.

This is just insane...

Egypt sent a large shipment of weapons to the Gaza Strip on Wednesday to shore up embattled Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israeli security officials said Thursday.

A Palestinian Resistance Committees spokesman is now reporting that these weapons will be used to kill Israelis.

Muhammad Abu al-Aal, the spokesman, told Ynet: "We promise to show the Israelis very soon how the weapons they have given to the presidential guard and the security forces are turned against the occupation."

The weapons were meant to strengthen Palestinian security services affiliated with Abbas' Fatah movement, engaged in a violent struggle for power with the Islamist Hamas group, which controls the Palestinian parliament and Cabinet. The shipment was a clear signal of Israeli and Egyptian support for Abbas over Hamas.

Until now, Israel had been reluctant to send weapons to the Palestinians, fearing they would be used against Israelis. But due to a recent warming of contacts between Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, and Israel's desire to see Abbas prevail against Hamas, Israel aided in the transport from Egypt to Gaza.

The shipment, consisting of 2,000 automatic rifles, 20,000 ammunition clips and 2 million bullets, was approved by Israel and sent through Israeli territory in four trucks accompanied by a military police escort, the officials said, speaking on condition of anonymity because the shipment had not been officially confirmed by Israel, the Palestinians or Egypt.

The trucks then crossed into the Gaza Strip through the Karni checkpoint, the officials said.

TO: Charles Johnson
RE: This Document...

...is it evidence that would be sufficient to convict in court?

Or is it an intelligence analysis of what they thought had happened?

If the latter, I can see why it was not made public.

If the latter, then to the devil with the bat-rastards who concealed it and every administration, Dhimcan or Republicrat, that knew.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

#119 NJDhockeyfan 12/28/2006 10:07AM PST

This is just insane...

Egypt sent a large shipment of weapons to the Gaza Strip on Wednesday to shore up embattled Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, Israeli security officials said Thursday.

A Palestinian Resistance Committees spokesman is now reporting that these weapons will be used to kill Israelis.

We need regime change in Israel.

Elric66 says:

Pointing out the course we are following and saying its a losing stategy will get you vilified on here.

oh gawd.

Cuz you're such a badazz muslim fuckin' mofo you can't handle to be "vilified"?

I'm SHOCKED, SHOCKED ! ... that such treachery exists - and is covered up by our Dept. of State.

#122 Geepers 12/28/2006 10:08AM PST

Elric66 says:

Pointing out the course we are following and saying its a losing stategy will get you vilified on here.
oh gawd.

Cuz you're such a badazz muslim fuckin' mofo you can't handle to be "vilified"?

Oh I can handle it. Actually I welcome it because he guys never offer a counter arguement on how to handle islam. You guys are rather amusing. :-)

I've taken the time to transcribe the full document, verbatim:

___

DECLASSIFIED
PA/HO Department of State
E.O. 12958, as amended
May 4, 2006

SECRET
NO FOREIGN DISSEM / CONTROLLED DISSEM

THE SEIZURE OF THE SAUDI ARABIAN
EMBASSY IN KHARTOUM

In the early evening hours of 1 March 1973, eight Black September Organization (BSO) terrorists seized the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Khartoum as a diplomatic reception honoring the departing United States Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) was ending. After slightly wounding the United States Ambassador and the Belgian Charge d'Affaires, the terrorists took these officials plus the United States DCM, the Saudi Arabian Ambassador, and the Jordanian Charge d'Affaires hostage. In return for the freedom of the hostages, the captors demanded the release of individuals, mostly Palestinian guerillas, imprisoned in Jordan, Israel, and the United States.

The Khartoum operation was planned and carried out with the full knowledge and personal approval of Yasir Arafat, Chairman of the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO), and the head of Fatah. Fatah representatives based in Khartoum participated in the attack, using a Fatah vehicle to transport the terrorists to the Saudi Arabian Embassy.

Initially, the main objective of the attack appeared to be to secure the release of Fatah/BSO leader Muhammed Awadh (Abu Da'ud) from Jordanian captivity. Information acquired subsequently reveals that the Fatah/BSO leaders did not expect Awadh t be freed, and indicates that one of the primary goals of the operation was to strike at the United States because of its efforts to achieve a Middle East peace settlement which many Arabs believe would be inimical to Palestinian interests.

Negotiations with the BSO terrorist team were conducted primarily by the Sudanese Ministers of Interior and of Health. No effort was spared, within the capabilities of the Sudanese Government, to the secure freedom of the hostages. The terrorists extended their deadlines three times, but when they became convinced that their demands would not be met and after they reportedly had received orders from Fatah headquarters in Beirut, they killed the two United States officials and the Belgian Charge. Thirty-four hours later, upon receipt of orders from Yasir Arafat in Beirut to surrender, the terrorists released their other hostages unharmed and surrendered to Sudanese officials.

The Khartoum operation again demonstrated the ability of BSO to strike where least expected. The open participation of Fatah representatives in Khartoum in the attack provides further evidence of the Fatah/BSO relationship. The emergence of the United States as a primary fedayeen target indicates a serious threat of further incidents similar to what occurred in Khartoum.
 

#119 NJDhockeyfan

Insane.

Future historians will scratch their heads, no matter who will write history, at ALL the idiocy we are capable of.

Confirmation that the State Department is nothing but a bunch of Arab ass-kissing bureaucrats. They attempt to win the hearts and minds of the enemy while losing the hearts and minds of the American citizens, whose interests they are supposed to serve.

#127 Kreuzueber Halbmond 12/28/2006 10:11AM PST

Confirmation that the State Department is nothing but a bunch of Arab ass-kissing bureaucrats. They attempt to win the hearts and minds of the enemy while losing the hearts and minds of the American citizens, whose interests they are supposed to serve.

I thought the jooos ran US policy. :-)

#125 William

Thank you!

One last song appropriate for the thread before I go [CLUNK]

I will see you all tomorrow
I need to sleep for a while...

Information acquired subsequently reveals that the Fatah/BSO leaders did not expect Awadh to be freed, and indicates that one of the primary goals of the operation was to strike at the United States because of its efforts to achieve a Middle East peace settlement which many Arabs believe would be inimical to Palestinian interests.

*Peace* is inimical to Middle Eastern autocrats and those who aspire to such positions. Terror, murder, lies and enslavement are some of an autocrat's tools.

Maybe the USA should teach the Ayrabs a lesson in blowback?

"Our government has known this for 33 years, but covered it up to avoid angering US “friends” in the Arab world."

Do you think our 'friends' would be upset or angered by G. Wahabi Bush and Condosleeza and State revealing Abbas' involvement in the Munich massacre as well ?

Think about this next time GWahabiB coddles his 'good friend' and 'man of peace' Abbas, sends weapons to Fatah and twists Israel's arm to make concessions to prop up his moderate regime.

Of course Arafat's right hand man for 20 years had no knowledge of what Arafat was up to and didn't aid him in any way, or have any direct involvement in murderous terror attacks.

The names have changed but the game remains the same.

#126 P_L

Future historians will scratch their heads, no matter who will write history, at ALL the idiocy we are capable of.

My friend, it is going to get immensely worse, in a very short time.

Immensely worse!

#134 republic 12/28/2006 10:16AM PST

#126 P_L

Future historians will scratch their heads, no matter who will write history, at ALL the idiocy we are capable of.

My friend, it is going to get immensely worse, in a very short time.

Immensely worse!

No its not. Everything is going great. We have the winning stategy to win this war. Right Geepers? :-)

never offer a counter arguement on how to handle islam

How about not bowing to their demands here in the West? The more we give, the more the take and become emboldened.

For starters,
Ban the burka in public.
No special treatment for school kids during Ramadan.
Full Islamic profiling in airports.
Stop being afraid to publish Mohammad cartoons.
No special treatment in locker rooms or swimming pools.
Don't stop serving pork in hospitals and schools.

The list could go on and on.

WRATH SAYS:

When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain Executive, Legislative, and Judicial Branches, including the State Department is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

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#22 - ec marm:

Coddling dictators and terrorist thugs... Clinton/Arafat, Clinton/Jong-Il, Carter/Chavez, Carter/Castro, Assad/Nelson, Assad/Kerry... you would think the Democrats would have started to detect some sort of pattern... click my sig for a "Friends of Terror Scrapbook".

Bottom line: the history of Democratic appeasement of these thugs goes back a long, long way. And now, in the nuclear age of terrorism, the worst outcomes are downright catastrophic.

I almost think we can stop the searches at the airports. The regular people of the world aren't going to take hijacking anymore and will stop any future attempts, up to and including giving their own lives.

A passenger claiming to have an explosive device tried to hijack a Russian airliner over Europe on Thursday, but was subdued by other people on board, authorities said.

#107 republic

So Bill and Hillary Clinton both knew these facts, for their entire presidency.

This would make a good question for Hillary in her run up to the Presidency.

YESSS! This perhaps is a silver lining to this black cloud engulfing Foggy Bottom.

#128 Elric66

I thought the jooos ran U.S. policy.

They do. At least according to these guys.

#136 GregInSeattle 12/28/2006 10:18AM PST

never offer a counter arguement on how to handle islam

How about not bowing to their demands here in the West? The more we give, the more the take and become emboldened.

For starters,
Ban the burka in public.
No special treatment for school kids during Ramadan.
Full Islamic profiling in airports.
Stop being afraid to publish Mohammad cartoons.
No special treatment in locker rooms or swimming pools.
Don't stop serving pork in hospitals and schools.

The list could go on and on.

So basically ban Islam in the US?

#141 scaramouche 12/28/2006 10:20AM PST

#128 Elric66

I thought the jooos ran U.S. policy.
They do. At least according to these guys.

The Jooos are doing a pretty damn poor job then. :-)

The emergence of the United States as a primary fedayeen target indicates a serious threat of further incidents similar to what occurred in Khartoum.

Serious under-estimate on the threat, imho, you foggy-bottom dolts !

Will jc (jimmah carter) come to the defense of his buddy's stained memory ? Perhaps a retrospective book on how jc turned Arafat into a man of peace ...

/gag

#137 W_o_G

Very good!

The 2nd and 14th Amendments keep jumping out at me!

:D

150 million firearm owning/ Bill of Rights loving Americans do have power!

Disinter William Rogers from Arlington and dump his remains in the Potomac.

NOW!

So basically ban Islam in the US?

Holy crap dude, you think that is the logical end of my list? The list basically says "treat them like everyone else is treated" If they can't handle that, they shouldn't be in the West. No, banning Islam isn't required.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit, huh?

Elrick:

Stop giving away the Jews' secret here in public.

Or maybe, you are a Zionist propagandist sent by the Elders to confuse LGF & its readers by purposeful MIS-information. Or maybe what I just said was said purposefully to confuse the readers by making them think that you are trying to confuse the readers & then they will believe me & I can propagandize them to be consumed by Zionist thought...but now that I have said that purposefully, they will now believe you because I said I was trying to force them to believe me & maybe that is really what I wanted in the 1st place.

#140 Mandy Manners

YESSS! This perhaps is a silver lining to this black cloud engulfing Foggy Bottom.

Mandy, I thought it was Soggy Bottom?

:D

#147 GregInSeattle 12/28/2006 10:24AM PST

So basically ban Islam in the US?

Holy crap dude, you think that is the logical end of my list? The list basically says "treat them like everyone else is treated" If they can't handle that, they shouldn't be in the West. No, banning Islam isn't required.

Critical thinking isn't your strong suit, huh?

But to do those things would basically take away being a Muslim. But then, I like that idea.

And will it be 30 years before we find out that Colin Powell 86ed the documents revealing Arafat's and Abbas' complicity with the murder of three more State Department employees in 2003 handing out Fulbrights to Gazans?

Elric66 (#128),

I thought the jooos ran US policy.

Oh that's so clever, spelling out Jews, as "jooos".

You do that out of respect?

or comedy?

Yer funny,

like Mel Gibson.

#147 Greg in Seattle

Holy crap dude, you think that is the logical end of my list? The list basically says "treat them like everyone else is treated" If they can't handle that, they shouldn't be in the West. No, banning Islam isn't required.

You are spot on!

That is one of a very, very small list of solutions, which will actually work.

So, our govt has been sleeping with the enemy for 33 years then.

#137 WRATH
"...[T]hat whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

How do The People achieve these ends, when a lack of support for this Administration's policies is sometimes met with accusations of being unpatriotic?

#150 Elric66

I misunderstood you. Sorry.
I still think that banning Islam is required. Yet. Maybe Islamic-based political parties should be banned, but I don't think they've risen in the West yet.

#142 Elric66

So basically ban Islam in the US?

I'd say treat it the same as other cults. Heaven's gate, Branch Davidians or People's Temple come to mind.

Geepers

So the lance repair shop was open then ?

#152 Geepers 12/28/2006 10:27AM PST

Elric66 (#128),

I thought the jooos ran US policy.
Oh that's so clever, spelling out Jews, as "jooos".

You do that out of respect?

or comedy?

Yer funny,

like Mel Gibson.

I do it to mock the jew haters, moron. Funny how you are the only one that didnt get that.

#155 GregInSeattle 12/28/2006 10:29AM PST

#150 Elric66

I misunderstood you. Sorry.
I still think that banning Islam is required. Yet. Maybe Islamic-based political parties should be banned, but I don't think they've risen in the West yet.

They dont have to. Islam is politics, politics is Islam in the Muslim world.

#154 electric infidel

How do The People achieve these ends, when a lack of support for this Administration's policies is sometimes met with accusations of being unpatriotic?

The first step, is voting all leftist wacko kooks out of public service.

If that doesn't work, 150 million firearm owning Americans may have to get their hands dirty.

Back to banning religions ? Yeah, eff that pesky first amendment.

Just sad.

#156 Kragar (proud to be kafir) 12/28/2006 10:30AM PST

#142 Elric66

So basically ban Islam in the US?

I'd say treat it the same as other cults. Heaven's gate, Branch Davidians or People's Temple come to mind.

Amen to that.

#162 Mike C. 12/28/2006 10:33AM PST

Back to banning religions ? Yeah, eff that pesky first amendment.

Just sad.

Why should we classify Islam as a religion? Because Muslims say it is?

#159 Elric66

I do it to mock the jew haters, moron. Funny how you are the only one that didnt get that.

He set you up, with #152

If he didn't realize that you were sarcing a moonbat, then he needs a nap.

Back to banning religions?

I meant to say I don't think that Islam should be banned. It is a very political religion, however, and political parties can be banned I believe. That point may need to be addressed in the future in the US (hopefully the far, far future)

145 Republic & Eclectic:

:)

Eclectic:

In reading Theadore Hertzls book "Der Judenstaat" one thing stuck out to me. He repeated a particular theme: If all the people of this generation are not up to the job then the goal will be accomplished with those who are...some will go...others will stay. The goal will be accomplished by those who want it & not until they want it enough.

Point being: if you try to wait till you have everyone, well then you will wait forever. Some people will always be stuck on stupid...that is why there are leaders & followers. Nobody at first believed in Jesus...but that didn't stop him from preaching...& noboday at first belived in Moses (including himself) but that didn't stop him either. (in fact even Moses didn't believe in Moses at first...additionally about 3/4 of the Jews in Egypt stayed).

#162 Mike C.
Islam's not a religion, silly.
/

Elric66

Please supply (with links) any widely-recognized definition of 'religion' under which Islam does not qualify. Then read the damned first amendment again. Moron.

#165 republic 12/28/2006 10:36AM PST

#159 Elric66

I do it to mock the jew haters, moron. Funny how you are the only one that didnt get that.

He set you up, with #152

If he didn't realize that you were sarcing a moonbat, then he needs a nap.

I think most everyone here knows I support the Jews and Israel. Why do you think I bash Olmert so much? Because he is selling the Jewish state down the river. I was mocking the tinfoil moonbats who hate the jews. I have also seen others spell it joos when mocking them too. I guess he is desperate and trying to paint me as an antisemite. :-)

#148 WrathofG-d

Elrick:

Stop giving away the Jews' secret here in public.

Or maybe, you are a Zionist propagandist sent by the Elders to confuse LGF & its readers by purposeful MIS-information. Or maybe what I just said was said purposefully to confuse the readers by making them think that you are trying to confuse the readers & then they will believe me & I can propagandize them to be consumed by Zionist thought...but now that I have said that purposefully, they will now believe you because I said I was trying to force them to believe me & maybe that is really what I wanted in the 1st place.

Ah, man. You win the Pretzel Award for Satire. Beautiful.

K T

Oh. Well, that's different, then.

/

Is it Groundhog Day?

Good Grief...

May I offer this to those who may be in need of it?

#168 Killgore Trout 12/28/2006 10:37AM PST

#162 Mike C.
Islam's not a religion, silly.
/

Bravo. You are finally learning.

It's almost amusing to see the outrage over the cover-up of Arafat's dirty deeds while the current campaign by Bush and company to paint Yassir's right hand man as a 'moderate' and 'man of peace' continues unabated.

I'd laugh if it wasn't so sad.

Completely missed the "/". Pathetic.

#169 Mike C. 12/28/2006 10:38AM PST

Elric66

Please supply (with links) any widely-recognized definition of 'religion' under which Islam does not qualify. Then read the damned first amendment again. Moron.

Its a religion thats goal is domination, by force if neccessary. I would say that would disqualify it as a religion.

#162 Mike C

Back to banning religions ? Yeah, eff that pesky first amendment.

Do you believe that the framers of the Constitution meant that there is religous freedom, even if a certain religion destroys the Constitution, the people and the country?

I can prove, as a Christian, that I can live side by side with anyone, regardless of their religion, sexual orientation, etc, without ever acting like I am "above" them, in any way!

Can islam say the same, and can they actually live that, or do I then have to live as a "lesser" citizen because I don't practice islam?

If that is how I am expected to live, then I am for banning anything and everything like it!

from Wikipedia:

Religion is the adherence to codified beliefs and rituals that (generally) involve a faith in a spiritual nature and a study of inherited ancestral traditions, knowledge and wisdom related to understanding human life. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to faith as well as to the larger shared systems of belief.

If the "personal practices" of your "religion" includes blowing up non-believers, then, yes, that "religion" should be banned. The law against murder trumps your "religion"

Spelling Jews like this:

Jooos

is a way of sarcastically mocking anti-semitic Lefies. Let's move on...

#149 republic

#140 Mandy Manners

YESSS! This perhaps is a silver lining to this black cloud engulfing Foggy Bottom.

Mandy, I thought it was Soggy Bottom?

Their brains are soggy.

#179 republic 12/28/2006 10:44AM PST

#162 Mike C

Back to banning religions ? Yeah, eff that pesky first amendment.

Do you believe that the framers of the Constitution meant that there is religous freedom, even if a certain religion destroys the Constitution, the people and the country?

Our forefathers were men of vision but they couldnt envision Islam taking root on our side of the ocean. If they did, I am sure they would have frames the Constitution more clearly so that Islam couldnt take root here. They wouldnt have wanted a "religion" that would gain hold and destroy our liberty and our Constitution.

Not only would the State Department wormtongues sell their mothers if they thought it would make the Arab world happy, they'd send them C.O.D.

Frankly nothing the State Department does suprises me anymore. This is an organization that, for all intents and purposes, is a wholly owned subsidiary of the House of Saud.

171 Mandy:

Thank you. I'll try not to choke on it.

#166 GregInSeattle

It is a very political religion, however, and political parties can be banned I believe.

Political parties can be banned in America? Under which amendment?

#180 GregInSeattle 12/28/2006 10:45AM PST

from Wikipedia:

Religion is the adherence to codified beliefs and rituals that (generally) involve a faith in a spiritual nature and a study of inherited ancestral traditions, knowledge and wisdom related to understanding human life. The term "religion" refers to both the personal practices related to faith as well as to the larger shared systems of belief.

If the "personal practices" of your "religion" includes blowing up non-believers, then, yes, that "religion" should be banned. The law against murder trumps your "religion"

Thats what Islam advocates.

/why did Bush release this report now?

#169 Mike C

Please supply (with links) any widely-recognized definition of 'religion' under which Islam does not qualify. Then read the damned first amendment again. Moron.

There is no right, in the 1st Amendment, nor anywhere else in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, to destroy the US Constitution, the USA and the people of the USA!

If ANY entity, religous, or not, intends to, which islam has said it intends to do(CAIR), and through their actions, destroys the US Constitution, the USA, and the people, there is NO Constitutional freedom, religous or not, to do that.

Elric66 #62, 74, 92, 97, 102, 108, 121, 124, 128, 135, 142, 143, 150, 159, 160, 163, 164, 170, 178, 183, ad nauseum

The last poster who gave me this kind of urge to say "Shut up!" was a bc-m-xyz i.

Arafat and Carter are both Nobel Peace Prize winners.

What does that say about the nature of the "Peace" Prize and what does it say about attributes/values shared by Carter & Arafat?

Theme for this thread.

Since Islam mandates the advent of Sharia law and the replacement of our constitutional republic with an Islamic theocracy, it is clearly unconstitutional and it's practice should be banned as such.

... one of the primary goals of the operation was to strike at the United States because of its efforts to achieve a Middle East peace settlement which many Arabs believe would be inimical to Palestinian interests.

How revealing.

This has not changed.

I don't care what anyone says...we DO NOT have any friends in the Arab world...nor, sorry to say, in the State Department.

We don't need to ban anything, just actually enforce the laws we have now.

Things like no masks on adults in public, no open calls for the overthrow of the government, no slavery, no FGM, no monetary support of known terrorist groups, no refusal of public transport, no yelling fire in the proverbial theater, but mostly equal treatment as actual equal treatment not 'to be equal we require special, superior status.'

#186 Mandy Manners

Political parties can be banned in America? Under which amendment?

2nd Amendment!

It actually says they can be more than "banned"

# 179 republic

I like to think that the Founding Fathers meant exactly what they wrote. It's in very plain English, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to read it. If you just don't like what the constitution says, and you don't like the principles upon which the country was founded, just say so. And if you feel we need to amend the constitution, please tell us of your efforts to do so.

Some days this place feels like some sort of extreme rightist Beavis and Butthead episode.

Is anyone surprised?

#185 WrathofG-d

I forgot to tell you that the Pretzel comes with a year's supply of beer.

Enjoy!

#183 Elric66

They wouldnt have wanted a "religion" that would gain hold and destroy our liberty and our Constitution.

Those Gentlemen couldn't even imagine that anyone could have construed the Constitution to destroy the Constitution itself, honorable men don't think like that.

Now the apologists for islam LOVE to look super-libertarians, but in so doing they help the islamic invasion and the only goal that islam has is to establish a WORLWIDE dictatorship (THIS is the only "religion", the cult part is to drug the masses of idiots).

Jews, Fatah-- it's the BICYCLISTS that are behind it all. Can't anyone see it? Bwahahahahah!

#8 MandyManners:

While I understand the need to stretch/color/twist the truth at times for the sake of diplomatic relations, I am at a loss over this lie.

This seems to be an interesting mirror-image to the Qana ambulance controversy that we've been discussing in another thread.

Israel officially denies that any ambulances were targeted. Someone in that discussion thread asked me why isn't that enough to satisfy me. You now have a good answer: Because the governments of even democratic countries lie. And lie and lie and lie. So official denials are far from conclusive. NEVER fall into the habit of giving the governments of Israel (or America) a free pass just because you support them overall.

Elrick:

I actually disagree (as much as I wish I were wrong).

I think the founding fathers would have wanted the Government to reflect the values of the citizenry. So, if that citizenry were to become predominantly Muslim then the system itself would change. There are some underlying things that would stay constant, but much would change to reflect the desires of the populace, be them Muslim or Christian.

The United States reflect Judeo-Christian values because that is who founded it and that is who has dominated it so far...however, if those groups get out BORN, & out IMMEGRATED, or out converted, then the system would relect the majority of the populace.

The only problem that would come up would be if the Muslim majority attempted to instill Sharia, as this completely contridicts some underlying principles of the Amendements to the Constitution. However, being that they were the majority the Muslim citizens could probably just LEGALLY instill Sharia into the Constitution as additional amendments or by voting to eliminate the amendments they don't like.

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On a side note: (IIRC) the "founding fathers" didn't write the Bill of Rights. They are after thoughts, and AMENDMENTS!

#91 squarepeg

"...After Nixon was gone, the whole matter of the Arafat tapes was kept quiet to protect the future viability of signals intelligence intercepts of this kind. The cover-up persisted to foster Arafat's role as a "peacemaker" and leader of the Palestinian cause.

How totalitarian and like the hypocritical Washington Post to nail Nixon for secret tapes but LIONIZE Arafat for his secret tapes detailing murder of Americans, and nominate him for a peace prize.

Bring down the most powerful nation on Earth's leader in perilous times BUT elevate a manifestly murderous maniac who shares none of our common values.

Preserve the privacy of murderers and psychopaths for a buck and a twisted totalitarian ideology.

Elric66, you did not need to qualify your response. Everyone realizes the intent.

Mike C. did our government not go after the religious adherents in waco? I realize your argument will engulf the whole child abuse issue, but that argument is weak in light of the whole honor killing thing adhered to in islam.

#181 DesertSage

Spelling Jews like this:

Jooos

is a way of sarcastically mocking anti-semitic Lefies. Let's move on...

And spelling Jews like this:

J.E.W.S.

is a way of sarcastically mocking anti-semetic Lefties whose daughters run for office and lose in Georgia.

Do I really want to chime in?

Elric66 (#159),

I do it to mock the jew haters, moron.

Mocking the "jew" haters by spelling out "jooos" huh?

And then so do you run around mocking racists by calling people "n*****s"?

PS. I think you forgot to capitalize "jew", you funny mocker you.

#201 Poitiers-Lepanto 12/28/2006 10:55AM PST

#183 Elric66

They wouldnt have wanted a "religion" that would gain hold and destroy our liberty and our Constitution.
Those Gentlemen couldn't even imagine that anyone could have construed the Constitution to destroy the Constitution itself, honorable men don't think like that.

Now the apologists for islam LOVE to look super-libertarians, but in so doing they help the islamic invasion and the only goal that islam has is to establish a WORLWIDE dictatorship (THIS is the only "religion", the cult part is to drug the masses of idiots).

Islam wasnt even an afterthought in those days. They couldnt imagined Islam on these shores. But not regonizing Islam as a religion would settle the Constitution issue and clean house.

#189 Republic

There is no right, in the 1st Amendment, nor anywhere else in the Constitution, or the Bill of Rights, to destroy the US Constitution, the USA and the people of the USA!

If ANY entity, religous, or not, intends to, which islam has said it intends to do(CAIR), and through their actions, destroys the US Constitution, the USA, and the people, there is NO Constitutional freedom, religous or not, to do that.

This is clear.

But be sure the the apologists will not accept it, because they DO want to help islam.

The fact that Arafat murdered in cold bllod some of our fine statesmen, makign their children fatherless, is excusable via the "Realist Politics" advanced by such luminaries as Harvard Professor asshat Walt and Univ. of Chicago Professor asshat Mearsheimer.

/what's a few dead diplomats to America, anyway? We have a lot where they came from!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Is that so bloody fucking difficult to understand ? If you don't like it, get off the blog, get off your fat asses and change it, if you can. And stop annoying the rest of us with your un-American whining.

Open thread!

#198 Mike C

I like to think that the Founding Fathers meant exactly what they wrote. It's in very plain English, and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to read it. If you just don't like what the constitution says, and you don't like the principles upon which the country was founded, just say so. And if you feel we need to amend the constitution, please tell us of your efforts to do so.

Some days this place feels like some sort of extreme rightist Beavis and Butthead episode.

I like to think that the founding fathers meant exactly what they wrote, that there is nothing higher than our Constitution and the FREEDOM of the people who abide by the Constitution and the laws of the land.

If the Catholics went on a crusade to take over America, to destroy the Constitution, to take freedoms away from the people, etc, I would want them then banned, also.

There is no religous freedom in the Constitution, to destroy the Constitution, America, and the people.

The framers were very specific, and said it often, of what to do, to protect America, and the Constitution, from outside enemies, and enemies within.

No entity on this earth is immune from that!

That is exactly what the framers said, and meant!

Religous "freedom" to destroy my country, my Constitution?

Over my dead body!

#197 republic

The Second Amendment in its entirety:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

Nowhere does it address politcal parties. I don't even know of a single case which construes it that way. Can you cite one? (I won't hold you to the standard of the Bluebook's Uniform System of Citation.)

And yet State ACTS as if Israel is the villain.

When you have Arab $megma on your breath, you are evil, plain and simple.

A free world starts with Flattening Foggy Bottom.

#206 formercorpsman 12/28/2006 10:57AM PST

Elric66, you did not need to qualify your response. Everyone realizes the intent.

Not everyone. :-)

that was the case, when the United States "were"; but after Mr Lincoln, the U.S. "is".

republic

2nd Amendment!

I don't see that in the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I'm not being snarky, but am I missing something?

#177 Mike C.
Heh.
Well, I gotta get some work done. I'm thinking of attempting soomething along the lines of Nakemas Troll hammer for the "islamisnotareligion" and "nicemuslimsaren'treallymuslims" arguments. Maybe someone could comeup with something.
In the meantime...
Circles

I dont need to walk around in circles
walk around in circles...
walk around in circles...
walk around in...

#204 WrathofG-d

I think the founding fathers would have wanted the Government to reflect the values of the citizenry. So, if that citizenry were to become predominantly Muslim then the system itself would change. There are some underlying things that would stay constant, but much would change to reflect the desires of the populace, be them Muslim or Christian.

The problem being that while the First Amendment is compatible with islam generically, it's incompatible with sharia. If a majority became muslim, and wanted sharia, the First Amendement would have to go. Which is possible.

#213 Mike C

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

Is that so bloody fucking difficult to understand ? If you don't like it, get off the blog, get off your fat asses and change it, if you can. And stop annoying the rest of us with your un-American whining.

Un-American?

FUCK YOU MIKE!

Please supply (with links) any widely-recognized definition of 'religion' under which Islam does not qualify. Then read the damned first amendment again. Moron.

(Sigh) This is not difficult.

Islam is a religion that effectively abrogates the U.S. Constitution (including your sancrosanct 1st Amendment). Islam dictates that Sharia is the only law that Muslims have an obligation to obey. It is very much a subversive political ideology.

#203 Right Side

#8 MandyManners:

While I understand the need to stretch/color/twist the truth at times for the sake of diplomatic relations, I am at a loss over this lie.

This seems to be an interesting mirror-image to the Qana ambulance controversy that we've been discussing in another thread.

Israel officially denies that any ambulances were targeted. Someone in that discussion thread asked me why isn't that enough to satisfy me. You now have a good answer: Because the governments of even democratic countries lie. And lie and lie and lie. So official denials are far from conclusive. NEVER fall into the habit of giving the governments of Israel (or America) a free pass just because you support them overall.

Right Side, communists, leftists and Islamists believe the ends justifies the means, so lie as a natural thing.

How do we know every post you've made is not a lie?

#79 Cornholio:

Disgusting to see that the State Department covers up for terrorists who murder State Department employees.

Things like this also feed the paranoia in this country among the disaffected.

Because unfortunately, as we can see, the U.S. government really does lie sometimes. As they say, "Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean that someone isn't really out to get you."

So the next time someone comes along charging that the U.S. Government is lying about something (e.g., "Bush lied, people died"), it makes it harder to dismiss such a wild charge out of hand.

# 206 formercorpsman

No, they went after folks in violation of the Federal Firearms Act who had also fired on federal officers.

#223 republic 12/28/2006 11:02AM PST

#213 Mike C

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..

Is that so bloody fucking difficult to understand ? If you don't like it, get off the blog, get off your fat asses and change it, if you can. And stop annoying the rest of us with your un-American whining.

Un-American?

FUCK YOU MIKE!

You should also ask him his view on freedom of the press. :-)

and there is is again folks...Mike C and Geepers with their answers to it all! ( paperback coming in '07 ) :)

When the Founding Fathers gave the new Republic Freedom of Religion, I doubt they could have envisioned two things - that a group would use their religious beliefs to murder innocent people by the thousands and tens of thousands...and that there would be Americans that would support the right for such a "religion" to exist, regardless of it's evil tendencies.

If thousands of Christians all over the world suddenly began to kill innocent people by terrorist means - like say, slamming airplanes into skyscrapers or bombing buildings(like MCStupid did)in the name of Jesus, banning Christianity wouldn't be a bad idea either. But then that would bring us back to the original argument that you refuse to acknowledge - would that really be Christianity? I say no. You say it's relative. maybe you've been spending your time on the worng type of blog. I hear kos has openings for the "open-minded." btw - pick up your brains out of that open-minded head of yours before someone in here trips on them. thanks.

#220 loppyd

2nd Amendment!

I don't see that in the 2nd amendment:

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

I'm not being snarky, but am I missing something?

There is more to read.

#224 Dirk Diggler 12/28/2006 11:02AM PST

Please supply (with links) any widely-recognized definition of 'religion' under which Islam does not qualify. Then read the damned first amendment again. Moron.
(Sigh) This is not difficult.

Islam is a religion that effectively abrogates the U.S. Constitution (including your sancrosanct 1st Amendment). Islam dictates that Sharia is the only law that Muslims have an obligation to obey. It is very much a subversive political ideology.

But its American to support that right. :-)

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

Especially when this President doesn't even take the tame[sp] to learn to speak properly.

Yep, I agree with that. If W could actually articulate his leadership message, he could stem the flow of disinformation from the enemedia. But he can't or won't so the beat goes on.

And he comes across publicly as either clueless or arrogant, and since the election he seems to have folded, big time.

I voted for him twice, but we need a Reagan or a Churchill or somebody. Else when the next "defing moment" comes, it may be too late.

Ok, about 10% (the really devout) Muslims want to replace our current sytem of government with the sharia. The rest are basically cultural Muslims, born that way but not serious. Like 'cultural Catholics- Ted Kennedy, Jean Francois Qerie and Nancy Pelosi come to mind- still go to Mass on Christmas and when campaigning, but believe in abortion on demand, at taxpayer expense, and abhor most of the other teachings of the church as 'old fashioned' and square.

You don't ban an entire religion, or deport them, even if the religion borders on being a political movement.

You strictly limit immigration, such that the Muslims don't wind up in 'Muslim ghettos' where the radicals members can spread their teachings of jihad, you make no special concessions to Muslims (like drivers license pictures in a burkha, or prayer rooms in public facilities), and you strictly prosecute calls to violence, monitor the mosques, and crack down on jihadi conspirators.

Only legal way to do it, because once you say "I choose to define Islam as not being a religion", what is to stop someone else from applying that to Mormons (their theology is pretty seriously messed up, although they are close to model citizens) or Gaia worshippers or whatever?

Rightside, I'm running your posts through a sophisticated computational linguistics parser and comparing to posts on various blogs and sites across the internet. It detects linguistic fingerprints to a specific degree of probability.

If it amuses me, I may shortly post a probability analysis on your other identities.

#203 Right Side

I've studied the issue as closely as I can. I come down on the side of Israel, and not on that of an organization which strives to enable those who would push it into the sea.

#161 Republic:

"The first step, is voting all leftist wacko kooks out of public service."

This could take a very long time and even if it was accomplished to some degree, the people would have to make sure that right-wing isolationists weren't voted into office as well. Ignoring the threat of Islam won't help the U.S. become a secure state either.

"If that doesn't work, 150 million firearm owning Americans may have to get their hands dirty."

The idea of organizing that many people, or even ten percent of that number is challenging. Given that such an action amounts to insurrection how many would actually be willing to go through with it and actually kill (murder?) government officials?

I'm not trying to be negative, but when all is said and done, it seems that the only way to break free from our corrupt government is to vote them out of office. Sadly, it's a very slow process, and in the meantime, our ever-tolerant society will continue its downward spiral as it embraces more Muslims, open borders and bungled foreign policy decisions.

Thirty-three years, seven Administrations, even more Secretaries of State, and all chose to kiss the oil ticks asses to placate them at the expense of the victims.

Doing The Right Thing means nothing.

Just remember that the same folks who make seemingly "reasonable" arguments for banning Islam in its entirety today, will most likely be the same people trying to come up with "reasonable" arguments for banning Christianity, or whatever other belief system they personally don't like, tomorrow.

230 republic

There is more to read.

Where?

#233 Ed Mahmoud abu al Qahool Martyr Brigades 12/28/2006 11:05AM PST

Only legal way to do it, because once you say "I choose to define Islam as not being a religion", what is to stop someone else from applying that to Mormons (their theology is pretty seriously messed up, although they are close to model citizens) or Gaia worshippers or whatever?

When other religions start enforcing its religion with its own jihadists, I would support banning those too. But so far, Islam is in a class of its own.

#68 Clio:

When Secretary of State Albright publically embraced Arafat she KNEW that he had murdered two high ranking diplomats of her own Department.

I'm sure that Reagan and Bush 41 knew all about it too. The 33 year time frame covers every president since Ford, in fact.

Those UFO nutcases do have a point: It really is possible for the U.S. Government to attempt to cover up something for 30+ years. It's even possible for Administrations of both political parties to participate in the coverup.

So, with that said, do folks here believe that the Aurora project was real or just a figment of a paranoid's imagination? To cover that up would take only 18 years.

#213 Mike C.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof...

Is that so bloody fucking difficult to understand ? If you don't like it, get off the blog, get off your fat asses and change it, if you can. And stop annoying the rest of us with your un-American whining.

There's a legitimate question, that we as a nation, haven't addressed before: what do you do when the "free exercise thereof", implies theocracy? You can't have that one both ways; either their "free exercise thereof" has to be limited by the "free exercise thereof" of the unbelievers, or their "free exercise thereof" trumps that of the unbelievers.

One way or another, one of the systems has to give.

Did Dhimmi Carter know this when he gave arafish a tongue bath at Camp David? Probably.

Did Bill Clinton know this when he made arafish the most frequent state visitor to the White House? Probably.

# 223

If the shoe fits, asshole, if the shoe fits...

Earth2Moonbat:

"which is possible"

That is kind of my overall point. The Constitution is just a piece of paper, followed by a population. If that population wished to change that document to reflect their desires and viewpoint...that it is "possible".

I do believe however that this WAS the intent of those who wrote the Constitution. Its funny however how everyone speaks of "The Consitution" then only mentions the Amendments which IIRC weren't even considered by the "Founding Fathers".

As for the Consitution not being compatable with Sharia (ie: one religion being established), well I disagree. The 1st says that no Federal Religion can be established. The States can however! There could also be an argument that Sharia doesn't actually "establish" a religion as it accepts the Abrahamic faiths...(ie: "Jews & Christians lived as part of the Caliphate")

In the end one could argue that saying that Jews & Christians can live under a Sharia-esq America is really no different than saying that Muslims can live under a Judeo-Christian America.

#215 Republic

If the Catholics went on a crusade to take over America, to destroy the Constitution, to take freedoms away from the people, etc, I would want them then banned, also.

There is no religous freedom in the Constitution, to destroy the Constitution

What the apologists want to support is that America is first of all a "democracy", instead America is first of all a REPUBLIC, whose principles CAN (Second Amendment)and MUST (citizenship) be defended by the People EVEN IF a majority supports opposite principles.

It is disheartening to see posters here
confused about this MAIN POINT of what America IS and WILL BE.

No majority has the right to abolish the principles of the Constitution , because those RIGHTS are G*d given, men are not free to change them.

This reveals the deepest ignorance of all the debate of the Seventeenth and Eighteenth Centuries about the "RIGHT TO KILL THE DICTATOR" for a CHRISTIAN subject (who, formally, is forbidden TO KILL anyone).

But of course the apologists for islam have repeatedly shown that their talking points come from the mud of ideology and not from a serious knowledge of history, philosophy, theology and jurisprudence.

#230 republic

Both he and I provided the full text of the Second Amendment. Do you have a copy that says further? If so, please be so kind as to share.

#197 republic

2nd Amendment!

It actually says they can be more than "banned"

What?

I guess you're not what we in the industry call a "strict constructionist".

#235 MandyManners

It be a llort.

# 224 Dirk Diggler

Islam is a religion...

Ah - thank you for agreeing with me.

I am amazed at how many people in the USA talk about the 1st amendment without understanding it.

#250 Mike C. 12/28/2006 11:12AM PST

# 224 Dirk Diggler

Islam is a religion...

Ah - thank you for agreeing with me.

A "religion" that seeks world domination, by force if neccessary.

I guess I'd just like to point out that for some of you who feel that The US Constitution is a "living, breathing" document that includes provisions for the abrogation of basic principles regarding "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" might want to revisit the text. I do not wish to engage in further debate on this, but I would submit that there is no proviso in our Constitution that condones or permits anarchy or theocratic dominance. Our misguided legislators can advocate and vote for "progressive change" until they're blue in the face. Once the boundaries of the original freedoms afforded through the drafting and ratification of this sacred document have been breached, rest assured that there will come a day of reckoning.

If a US soldier can be removed from Arlington National Cemetery for having committed crimes, why can't Arafat be stripped of any nobel peace prizes and other phony honoraria bestowed on him by Clinton and the phony peacemakers?

Topple their false idols in 2007; expose them and their enablers for all to mock.

Mike C.

You know, I find it amazing when I see the condescending remarks of someone like yourself, and I will take a wild guess, and assume you might be employed in government, or law.

What you would recognize in my statement, is not the defense of branch davidians, but the logical response of our justice department, and the aftermath.

I, for one, find it amazing, that our federal government responded to this threat the way they did, (tanks) armor, especially when aspin would not supply the likes of our military trapped in a firefight in mogadishu.

You are splitting hairs.

Certainly, with all the manipulation over the years by our judiciary, and the interpretation of the constitution, you would provide that the constitution's literal interpretation does not serve as a suicide pact.

Quite frankly, it is amazing, someone like yourself would not see that, an enemy of our republic would not exploit an avenue like the first amendment to weaken our ability to defend ourselves.

Of course, it is us who has the problem.

You know, the ignorant ones. wink, wink.

#205 alegrias:

How totalitarian and like the hypocritical Washington Post to nail Nixon for secret tapes but LIONIZE Arafat for his secret tapes detailing murder of Americans, and nominate him for a peace prize.

Wait a sec. How did you conclude that the Washington Post knew about Arafat's secret tapes? The report makes clear this was a U.S. government secret.

They wouldn't have known about Nixon's secret tapes either, if that hadn't been revealed at the Senate Watergate hearings.

Just a question: what do all these islam-lovers do on LGF ?

Are they the moderate muslims ?

Or they are here simply to defang LGF ?

Owl (#229),

I'm guessing the fonding fathers were far more well informed than you on the history of the world and the use of "religion" to instigate mass murder.

In fact, that is the very reason the founding father's forbid a state sponsored religion, or any type of religious test for public officials.

Go back to deciding who is and isn't Jewish Owl.

# 229 Owl

So, are you working to ammend the constitution ? Or are you just recommending ignoring it ? Or are you just bloviating for the fun of it ? Pick one, please, as there really isn't a fourth option.

#249 Earth2moonbat

Huh? Please, explain. I know I've been here just about five months but, I've yet to see that word used.

#245 WrathofG-d

As for the Consitution not being compatable with Sharia (ie: one religion being established), well I disagree. The 1st says that no Federal Religion can be established. The States can however! There could also be an argument that Sharia doesn't actually "establish" a religion as it accepts the Abrahamic faiths...(ie: "Jews & Christians lived as part of the Caliphate")

Oh, fercryingout loud. So Buddhists are chopped liver? and what about equal protection? Doesn't dhimmihood violate that?

/Details...

Goodness! Did all the batteries stop working in our Christmas toys today? What a bunch of cranky lizards. Nap-time anyone?

#239 loppyd

from #137 up above; W_o_G

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

I understand the 2nd and 14th Amendments, as well as the Bill of Rights, to mean exactly what was written about the power of the people and the reason for common people to own firearms.

If the political left, and certain leftist judges don't understand that, I don't care.

#241 RightSide --- Actually, since Nixon. He left office in August 1974.

#260 MandyManners

Spelled backward.

#234 ErislDysnomia 12/28/2006 11:06AM PST

Rightside, I'm running your posts through a sophisticated computational linguistics parser and comparing to posts on various blogs and sites across the internet. It detects linguistic fingerprints to a specific degree of probability.

If it amuses me, I may shortly post a probability analysis on your other identities.

This has to be the most interesting post I've read in quite some time. On several levels.

Islam is a sick cult, not a religion.

#253 Cartman

there is no provison in our Constitution that condones or permits anarchy or theocratic dominance. Our misguided legislators can advocate and vote for "progressive change" until they're blue in the face. Once the boundaries of the original freedoms afforded through the drafting and ratification of this sacred document have been breached, rest assured that there will come a day of reckoning

And for that day the Founding Fathers have written the Second Amendment, just to be sure that the People CAN defend the G*d given Freedom (from Popes and Kings, shari'as and communisms and nazisms etc etc).

#257 Poitiers-Lepanto 12/28/2006 11:16AM PST

Just a question: what do all these islam-lovers do on LGF ?

Are they the moderate muslims ?

Or they are here simply to defang LGF ?

I dont think they are Islam lovers. They just dont recogize the danger Islam poses to the West. I guess 1400 years of history isnt enough for them. They are just praying the "moderates" reign in the "radicals". But as we have seen, when Muslims do have the right to vote, they vote in the true Islamists, not the "moderates"

#262 Daisy

Goodness! Did all the batteries stop working in our Christmas toys today? What a bunch of cranky lizards. Nap-time anyone?

I got a great nights sleep, am wide awake, and actually in a good mood, not that that matters, as far as my behavior goes, because it doesn't.

I lose my cool on occasion, though.

I repent through the day, and at the end of every day.

I'm good.

Thanks

#267 6patrick6 12/28/2006 11:19AM PST

Islam is a sick cult, not a religion.

But some here think its should be allowed to be practiced here, no matter what.

#45 friarstale:

We just cut the legs out from under W, didn't we?

Who the heck is "we"?

The American people are to be commended on their common sense for having stuck it to the corrupt GOP in Congress. The GOP deserved to lose that election. They gave us, the voters, no positive reason to vote for them. Fear of Pelosi isn't a positive reason. Indeed, they used that fear as a dodge to avoid committing themselves to doing a better job in the next Congress if the American people rewarded them with continuing majority rule. The one thing I wanted to hear from the GOP leadership was "If you return us to power again, we promise to change our ways." That they didn't say.

And as for Bush, the public perceived that Bush wasn't winning the war in Iraq and were right to kick him in the ass for refusing to admit it until AFTER the election was over. (If he had admitted it, it might have forced him to start looking around for a better strategy, which would have been a good thing for the country and the world.)

I've been a political conservative most of my life and I felt totally betrayed by both Bush and the GOP in the last couple of years. Screw them.