Just finished up some bacon. Mmm. Love pork products.

Oink.

Bacon tastes good, sausage tastes good...

Let's drop pork soup on Mecca.

Judges throwing Europe away...

It must be racist since they call it the other white meat.

so that means i can make whole France a vegetarian country, as there exist Hindus tooo... who are vegitarian

No surprise. This is what happens when Muslims get a large demographics, they start demanding Sharia law.

This ain't about Jews, froggie. Stop lying.

The homeless would rather starve on principle

go ahead, ask them

Yer cant have any pudding if you wont eat your meat! You, yes you behind the bandstand. Stand still with it... /pink floyd

The French have such a refined sense of morality that they would make it impossible to serve any homeless people because some portion of the homeless population might not be able to eat the food.

Sorry, but depending on the details and specifics, I might have to agree with the Judge. This is not as outrageous as it may seem.

it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first

Sounds like my mother had a hand in writing the rules!

#3

infact i also think so, to spray pork blood on all islamic nations to make them holy

I wonder if anybody is giving the homeless wine

Would that be racist too because it might offend Jews and Muslims ?

again, I say the homeless would rather avoid all alcohol on principle

But the judge said the group’s Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

So now kids can demand dessert without eating dinner first?

I like the way they keep mentioning Jewish food requirements. I wonder how many Jews have been demanding that this group stop serving pork soup to the starving, in order to spare their feelings? Or, perhaps, just perhaps, is it only Muslims who rank their sensitivities above other people's lives?

Just realised, it isn't only Muslims. Leftists rank Muslim sensitivities above others' lives too.

So how soon before French Supermarkets arent allowed to sell pork? Dont want to offend the Muslims.

Elsewhere in Eurabia;

FREE BOMBER TO SAVE NURSES

FIVE Bulgarian nurses condemned to death will only be spared if the Lockerbie bomber is freed.

Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has been urged to spare the women, and a Palestinian doctor, who were found guilty of deliberately infecting children with HIV.

But he yesterday pledged their lives would only be saved if Lockerbie bomber Abel Baset Al-Megrahi was released from prison in Scotland.

Gaddafi said: "Abdel Baset Al-Megrahi is innocent. We say, 'Let the Scottish court set him free.' You say, 'No, we won't set him free.'

"He won't be free? Then the medics won't be free."

Libyan Al-Megrahi was convicted in 2001 for the 1988 bombing of Pan-Am flight 103, which exploded over Lockerbie, killing 270.

Last night, the families of the nurses, who claim all five were tortured into confessing, were furious.

Dr Zdravko Georgiev, whose wife Kristiana faces death, said: "It makes me sick. But no matter how wrong it is, I want my wife back."

"Noreiga" Kaddafi NOW!

Nemo me impune lacessit

Carthago delenda est

No dessert? THE HUMANITY!

/haven't eaten a real dessert in months

the charitable handouts aim to discriminate against Muslims and Jews who don’t eat pork because of their faith.
...
that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

I see. The Jews are going to riot......

/Spam wars.....

OT:Fatah abuses quran...
yahoo pic

Wasfi Kibha from Hamas, the Palestinian Minister for Prisoner Affairs, examines a burned Quran, Islam's holy book, after assailants torched his car in the West Bank town of Jenin Thursday Jan. 4, 2007. Assailants targeted three senior Hamas officials in the West Bank, kidnapping one, torching the car of a second and shooting in the air as a third emerged from a mosque, officials said Thursday. There was no immediate claim of responsibility.

Another pic of the abused quran here

off topic...

The WaPo has convicted the marines at Haditha.

further off topic...

The tragic death of James Kim in the snowy mountains of Oregon, captured the hearts of the nation as rescuers desperately searched for the missing man. His mother writes in today's WaPo - we know who's to blame: the government.

In the German city Flensburg the Deutsche Kriegsmarine serves free pork soup to all and everyone during Christmas. Very delicious, cooked with yellow peas and served with pork sausages.

Wonder how the Germans will react if this French madness spreads ? - I'll tell you : very, very nasty....

Meanwhile, down in Gaza, things are coming to a head:

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

Abbas thinks that he can take on Hamas - declaring that Hamas' executive force is illegal. Hamas meanwhile, has managed to smuggle in money from Egypt to keep their operations going.

Civil war, this is.

#11

I am interested in your claim. Can't we both agree that this is a case of the government far overstepping its bounds? Also, I'd like to hear more of why you think that. I can see where the judge is coming from, but all the same, it is a ludicrous decision.

As was pointed out on the last pork soup thread, an Orthodox Jew can't eat non-Kosher beef or chicken, either. So this isn't about Jews.

/Show me a Jew in a soup kitchen anywhere in the world...

What the heck ever happened to "Beggars can not be choosers"?

No one should ever purposefully try to make someone transgress against his religion for a bowl of soup -- think Jacob and Esau -- but for heaven's sake: If people want to make pork soup and distribute it to hungry people, shouldn't the hungry people decide if they want it?

#14 shug
One of the quaint things about Parisian winos is that they actually still drink wine, unlike US winos who still prefer beer.

Both Islam and Judaism prohibit eating pork,

It was my understanding from an orthodox friend of mine, that a jew can eat nonkosher food in lieu of starving to death. However, I seriously doubt there are any kosher keeping jews eating at soup kitchens. If they did need charity, they take care of their own. God forbid that the muslims divert their charity funds from buying rockets to actually buying food for their poor. Would pork free soup be enough? Aren't there all sorts of other dietary restrictions a practicising muslim most follow? Seems like they are putting an awful burden on charities.

By that logic, French wines are racist - another reason to boycott!

Pork soup cannot be served to the poor because it might make certain groups angry - so there is a law against making people angry? So now the way is paved for ANYTHING that might make muslims angry banned in France. I wonder if the French will be willing to give up their wine?

This is the same crap as the teacher who says you can't bring candy to class unless you bring enough for everyone and SHARE! Socialist bastards would rather have them all starve than have some eat and others not, which would be 'unfair'.

If you don't want the pork, don't eat the pork. Nobody is forcing you to do it.

#8 E2M

This ain't about Jews, froggie. Stop lying.

It's only about the poor Jews in France. There's got to be a couple of them anyway.

Seriously, I bet there are no Jews in France with no place to go for food. They just don't live and raise their children that way. It's all about the Islamists.

#25 Dr. Manhattan

I think the point is that these groups aren't nice people. They're essentially neo-Nazis. No contest on that point. Which has got absolutely nothing to do with the underlying principle.

#18

More nuttiness from Libya re: execution of Saddam:

In Libya, which canceled celebrations of the feast of Id al-Adha after the execution, a government statement said a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected, along with a monument to Omar al-Mukhtar, who resisted the Italian invasion of Libya and was hanged by the Italians in 1931.

NYT

#11

Charles headline sums it up quite succintly. What they are saying is, serving pork soup is discriminatory.

And for the sake of argument I'll concede the point, let's say it is racist. What about the hindus that can't eat any meat? Should all shelters serve vegetarian cuisine? If you agree with that, all meat is racist in the context of a shelter.

/worked in a shelter for months, this story disgusts me, the prejudice here is from the Koran, and not the shelter

F'n soup Nazis.

/just had to say it

#32 The Monster
The article says there are 600,000 Jews in all of France. let's suppose 100 of those are homeless. I'd guess only 20 of them live in Paris, maybe 5 in the vicinity of the pork soup shelter. I consider 5 possibly inconinienced Jews to be a very generous estimate.

#34

Exactly! I will speak up for freedom on behalf of ANY party, offensive or not. Personally I think these nationalists are playing games, but are they the only game in town?

The real question is: What muslim would go to Neo-Nazis for their soup and bread ANYWAY?

Let me guess, they will now sell the soup for a penny and have someone giving pennies away to the poor. Surely money isn't racist.

Comletely OT, but OK ! LGF is now accessible through my local ISP again. I have no idea what was (temporarilly) wrong this AM.

Just tell them it's goat soup. If they are hungry, they won't know the difference.

But the judge said the group’s Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

Perhaps they should have offered cracklins for dessert.

These people have way too much free time. This is ridiculous.

But, I don't see any islamic groups opening up food kitchens to help.

The food is being GIVEN to you to keep you from starving you morons. Show some appreciation instead of being the cry baby-victim.

When I was down on funds, I had to eat what I could afford, and sometimes I didn't like it. Hell, I ate stale crackers (which were the pitts) and butter because that's what I had, and had no money for groceries. But it was food and better than nothing.

Van Impe: More nuttiness from Libya re: execution of Saddam:

In Libya, which canceled celebrations of the feast of Id al-Adha after the execution, a government statement said a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected, along with a monument to Omar al-Mukhtar, who resisted the Italian invasion of Libya and was hanged by the Italians in 1931

Our Bulgarian NATO ally should be encouraged to erect a 3rd gallows statue of that rapist, torturer, hostage-taking terrorist POS.

/not holding breath

#39 Dr. Manhattan

Personally I think these nationalists are playing games, but are they the only game in town?

Indeed. This is a lot like the nominal ($250) "whites only" scholarships that are there to make a point. Let them make the point. The alternative is to go down the path of institutionalizing double standards. I don't want to go down that road.

This story pisses me off because all of the parties are acting badly, the ones protesting this soup (talk about a waste of time and money), the ones playing games by serving this soup, and the frog govt. for once again eroding individual liberty (by assuming no one wants it anyway). All around they are a bunch of dorks.

#47 Dr. Manhattan

Yep. Theatre of the absurd. There's not a single player in this drama acting in good faith.

#11 Paris

I take exception to Jews being mentioned in the article because we have a lot of specific rules in keeping Kosher. Not eating pork is just one of them. In fact, Jews who keep Kosher cannot eat beef that is not Kosher, either. There is also an issue of two sets of dishes and silverware (one for meat, one for dairy) so if the Judge was really interested in being sympathic to religious homeless Jews, we'd have many issues on the table.

Also Jews believe, in a life or death situation, you are allowed to eat non-Kosher foods.

Not being allowed dessert before eating the soup makes sense to me. I would imagine their mission is to get some good nutrition first before loading up on carbs. Not about some discriminatory practice concerning pork.

A good dead never goes unpunished.

I wish I had the recipe for racist pork soup.
I'd make some for dinner.

Merde.

#18 Terp Mole - I wonder if chucking a few Tomahawks through his tent complex would change his mind (again)? I think it's worth a try.

Did anybody see Bo Deadle thump that St Paul Imam's ass last night on Cavuto?

oh man was it great.

He told the Imam that he and the somali cab drivers can either Love America or Get the Hell out

#49 marjoriemoon

Not being allowed dessert before eating the soup makes sense to me. I would imagine their mission is to get some good nutrition first before loading up on carbs. Not about some discriminatory practice concerning pork.

Considering the players involved, I don't think that's actually true - BUT - you have to assume that, because precidents are being established. This is a bad precident, ruling that because the parties are disingenuous, the principles are different than they would be if they were acting in good faith.

OT - More class reporting at Huffpo

55 frogmarch

another RDDB in the making

Since when did Islam become a race anyway? I wasnt aware someone could convert to a different race.

#24 --

Just curious, do you think that our govt's funding of Abbas to the tune of $60+ million is a way to fuel a civil war against Hamas?

#57 Elric66 - absolutely spot on post!

The only way the "far-right" groups will get favorable treatment is if they turn their neighborhoods into no-go zones, burn cars, and torch some bus passengers.

Yo, realwest. How's the mouth healing up, dude ?

Did you spot "Baldy"'s post this AM ?

#59 realwest 1/6/2007 09:10AM PST

#57 Elric66 - absolutely spot on post!

Thanks. :-)

#58 eclectic infidel:

I do, but it's shortsighted to the extreme. Neither side should be getting money. If they want to fight, let them do it with their own resources. Because whoever is left is going to simply turn those weapons on Israel.

#50 rockman
i made a variation of this
French-Style Pork Stew earlier this week. The nutmeg is key and I added about a cup of red wine. Instead of flour based thickening I drained the liquid and made a reduction. Very tasy.

Can somebody photoshop a bowl of soup in white sheets?

Yet they have no problems with snails, frogs, or horse meat.

The old rule used to be; Soap, salvation, then soup. The homeless would have to get cleaned up, and listen to an hour of bible thumpin, before they got fed.

#58

I never thought about it that way. I am fairly sure that will be the result of the funds, at least to some extent.

If even 1% of that money goes to fighting Hamas, which I imagine it will, your analysis is right on.

/still not a good enough reason to give them jack shit! We have money issues of our own...

Hamas says it will double its armed force

9 minutes ago

GAZA CITY (AFP) - The Palestinian ruling Hamas movement has said it will double the size of its armed force to 12,000 men, after president Mahmud Abbas called the troops illegal and demanded their integration into existing security structures.
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"The commanders of the (executive) force, with agreement from the interior minister, decided to raise the number of its members to 12,000," Islam Shahwan, the spokesman for the Hamas-led force, told AFP.

An official in Abbas's
Fatah party said the decision to up the number of Hamas troops was aimed at challenging the president.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Great News!

You don't get dessert. That's so French.
Toi, t'es puni!

What does the koran say about shellfish? Is it prohibited like it is for Orthodox Jews? What if they serve escargot? Racist snails? Definitely some photoshop potential with racist snails.

65 E2M

here.

aged mutton stew in sheets

sug,

I like Bo Dietl. He's been in a number of movies, including one of my favorites, Goodfellas.

"Bye bye, dickhead"

Hmm....what desserts are harram? I'm sure the French have all kinds of desserts made with lard.

#54 Earth:

I'm not sure I understand you. I don't know much about the SDF, a "far-right group". In the previous post last Wed, folks have described them as neo-nazis and anti-semites. But despite the fact that the French haven't been good to the Jews in the past, has this soup kitchen actually turned away Jews? Or anyone based on religion? I didn't see that at all. So I don't see where principles, as in who they feed or what they serve, has any bearing. Or maybe I'm missing your point.

Solidarity of the French was just one of several far-fight groups that began distributing pork soup across France over the last four years.

I'd like to hear more from the other groups, too. Has this ruling been made for all? or just the SDF?

#73 Earth2moonbat 1/6/2007 09:23AM PST

Hmm....what desserts are harram? I'm sure the French have all kinds of desserts made with lard.

Its only the beginning. Trust me.

#71 shug

Ok. Racist mutton. You're getting closer.......

#22 Bubbaman

I do have to agree with proper road marking or naming. I myself ran into problems with the same road having 3 different names. Not one road turning into 3 different roads, but, depending on who you talked to or the map you went by, was what the one road was called.

I got totally lost one time, looking for an address I was given. I could not find the road anywhere. Come to find out, when I stopped to ask, I passed it about half a dozen times, only the road sign had a different name than what I was given.

I found out that this particular road was called one thing by the locals, another by the city, and yet another by some of the older locals, who still referred to it by the old name. I was given the "old local" name. When I found it on the map later on, it has yet a different name (although a version of the city's name for it).

Down the road from me (and I'm in the boonies...), there is a little road that is not necessarially closed during the winter, but is not plowed if it snows either, as it is a cut through to another road and no one lives on it. There has always been a simple sign on both ends, placed by the town, stating that it is a seasonal road and not plowed.

#39 seems to me that there could be a significant number of muslims that might be found hanging around with neo-nazis...its not like there isn't any history of cooperation between arab muslims and nazis.

#75 Elric66

That thought just dawned on me, too. All they have to do now is serve some subtly harram soup (pork soup was too blatent), with pie with lard crust. They can tie the courts up for years playing these games.

#70 Earth

What does the koran say about shellfish?

We were chatting about this in the lounge the other day. Someone mentioned that the dietary laws for Muslims and Jews are similar, but not the same. I'm very curious on differences if anyone knows. Lest I be forced to look it up myself :)

food is food. If your hungry, you'll eat. Pork, the racist white meat.

So isn't only giving away soup to poor people pretty discriminatory?

Even rich people have to eat. The French should do away with charity.

#61 Mike C. - Hi Mike! No I didn't see his post - you mean on the Dead Thread?
And mouth isn't much better, there's a LOT of work to be done, unfortunately.

#79 Earth2moonbat 1/6/2007 09:26AM PST

#75 Elric66

That thought just dawned on me, too. All they have to do now is serve some subtly harram soup (pork soup was too blatent), with pie with lard crust. They can tie the courts up for years playing these games.

They can even go as far as getting pork banned in restraunts saying the sight and odor offends them and its done to keep them out. They can play this game for years and win with judges like him.

It is my understanding that Muslims can eat shell fish.

#6 humanity

not all Hindus are vegetarian. And then the vegetarians are in different degrees.

If you're giving away food for free, you should be free to choose the food.

If Jews or Muslims or anyone else prefer not to eat the food, that is their choice.

This is clearly a case of the French Council of State caving in to a standing threat of domestic Muslim violence which represents the true threat to "public order."

The greater the appeasement, the greater the price.

#64 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the link..I was just making my shopping list. The spouse will love .

Thousands of Peugeots torched in the streets and mobs of yutes attacking police and emergency workers, and yet the French are concerned that hambone soup will spark violence. jeesh. What shitty little people.

#74 marjoriemoon

What I'm saying is in agreement with you. I'm just trying to be clear that on principle, they should be allowed to do this, despite who their and what their agenda is.

As I said in #46, this is similar to the "whites only" scholarships being offered in the US by some groups. They're nominal in value (IIRC $250), and there to make a point. And the best way to respond is to not respond at all. The alternative is to either repudiate all race-specific scholarships, or to accept and institutionalize a double standard.

Once you start to accept double standards into law, because you think you're on the winning end of them, don't be surprised if that comes around and back into your face later.

#53 shug

I saw that. He also talked about the availability of alcohol on his visits to Saudi Arabia, which went totally ignored.

The Wiki has a comparative of Jewish and Muslim dietary laws. I'm still reading through.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

The French far right is not just anti-Muslim, it’s virulently antisemitic as well.

That seems to be changing, at least at the top.

Jean Marie le Pen is reaching out to the 'youths', in part by meeting with Jew-haters like Dieudonné:

That discussion may depend on how Le Pen reads the electoral intentions of first-time voters, who rushed to register in the last week of December, according to the Interior Ministry. The rush was strongest in some suburbs, where registrations are up 20 to 25 percent since the last presidential election, and where young people overwhelmingly oppose Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, the leading candidate of the center-right.
Sarkozy's hard line on rioters in the suburbs infuriated youth of North African and black African descent during the November 2005 disturbances; he has since waged a campaign to deport illegal immigrants.

Leftists who sponsored the get-out- the-vote campaign expect anti- Sarkozy sentiment in the suburbs to benefit Ségolène Royal, the Socialist candidate for president. But the situation is volatile.

Le Pen was endorsed recently by Ahmed Moualek, who runs a rabidly anti-Semitic, pro-Dieudonné Web site called "La Banlieue s'exprime" ("The Suburbs Speak"). The day after Dieudonné went to the National Front festival, the site got 40,000 hits, 10 times the norm. The site, like others, is campaigning against Sarkozy, making much of the fact that he is one-quarter Jewish.

Here's another recent example. No Pasaran! comments:

Traditional French Jew hatred, as expressed by the Front National, has found a ready and willing audience among suburban French youth who are hopped up on a second generation, Intifada fueled Jew hatred. A marriage made in French anti-Semite heaven.

#65 Earth2moonbat

Can somebody photoshop a bowl of soup in white sheets?

I'm thinking a miniture klansman standing on the rim, stirring the soap. Gimme a few minutes...

Reid's action was surprising ``because a week ago Senator Reid was quoted as saying he would support a surge if there was some plan for withdrawal,'' said Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, in an interview on ``Political Capital with Al Hunt'' to air this weekend on Bloomberg Television. ``This is sort of a 180 in a very short period of time.''

Reid told reporters he changed his mind after learning that U.S. commanders on the ground didn't think a surge would work.

Harry Reid himself admits he makes declarative public statements about policy despite his complete ignorance of the subject.

And the best Senator McCain can do is claim he "sort of" did a 180?

Why John McCain will never be President.

France is a rudderless ship destined to have their last drink on the rocks

What they're calling "far-right" these days are more like hippies making abstract statements. The government comes down on them for - charity - while they say you can't have your dessert if you don't eat your pork.

Step back from this for a moment. Ignore the obvious heavy-handed media bias. Now ask yourself who is the real fascist? One, the government cracking down on charity? Two, the "far-right" making a statement with traditional French food?

This is the problem with labeling instead of thinking. The government is going far beyond any reasonable limit of government power, and hurting poor people while doing it. But we're supposed to care that some feelings might be hurt through free food. It's nuts.

#61 Mike C. - finally found his post myself. Did he post anything anywhere else? I mean LGF Search is not
infallible. I sent him an e-mail but wish I could do more.

# 83 realwest

Yes, he posted on the early dead thread, for the first time in ages. He's not having a good time of things, unfortunately.

#92 marjoriemoon

Kashrut states that kosher aquatic animals must have scales and fins. The most prevalent consensus among Muslim scholars is that in order to be dhabiĥa halal, the fish must have scales (nothing is said about fins)

Maybe my coffee hasn't hit yet, but are there any aquatic animals that have scales and no fins? I suppose that gets into what a "scale" is.

From the Fwench national newspaper classified ads:

"For sale, Fwench assault rifles. Never fired, only dropped once. Complete with cleaning kit, Fwench/Arabic instruction manual, and rifle range (formerly known as Paris). An excellent bargain, yours for the taking."

/I live to see the day.

The authorities, being the cowards they are, are simply following the path of least resistance. In the ever increasing conflict between your freedoms and the “islamic rights” of muslims, guess which one the authorities are going to trade away for a quiet life?

Authorities must be made to fear their non-muslim populations more than their muslim populations, if we want to preserve our liberties that is.

Sounds like France is in desperate need of some Friday Night Pig Races.

# 98 realwest

No, just that solitary post, so far as I know. I think littleoldlady and myself were the only ones on who even knew who he was. Sad.

TO: Charles Johnson, et al
RE: This....

....is on a par with the Fairfax County, Virginia, decision that you can't give home-baked cookies to the homeless.

I thought that things could not get wackier, but I'm always proven wrong.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. -- George Bernard Shaw]

#102 westoner 1/6/2007 09:41AM PST

The authorities, being the cowards they are, are simply following the path of least resistance. In the ever increasing conflict between your freedoms and the “islamic rights” of muslims, guess which one the authorities are going to trade away for a quiet life?

Authorities must be made to fear their non-muslim populations more than their muslim populations, if we want to preserve our liberties that is.

Whats to fear from the Muslim population? The majority are moderate and want to get along with everyone and will keep the small fridge element of Islam in check. Right? :-)

#93 Colt

Therein lies an important difference between parlimentary election dynamics and the American two-party system. In France, you can get these strange bedfellows, because they can actually enhance a far-right politician's numbers. In the US, it's a lot harder for those kinds of alliances to be effective. It would be like Pat Buchanan trying to get support from the islamic segment. All it would do is vacuum democrat support away.

It's hard to guess at intent. But... some free food programs distribute what is available and that varies with circumstances. I know that's the case in my town. Our community food bank, run by a coalition of churches (no mosques or synagogues near here, in the very rural cornbelt) relies on donations of food, not funds. It's "pot luck" in the original meaning of the term. If the organizations mentioned have suddenly switched to pork products, that seems suspicious. If, on the other hand, they've been serving the same thing for years, or if it's traditional (like the Kriegsmarine example above) anyone who isn't contributing to the charitable effort should simply STFU. Even better, go start a soup kitchen that serves their own favorites. Better to light a candle than curse the darkness. Easier to sit back and bitch indignantly, though.

#97 Beagle

What they're calling "far-right" these days are more like hippies making abstract statements.

Careful. That's an accurate statement in the American context, because the US really doesn't have a far right. Haven't for decades. In France, though, as in the rest of Europe, there are organized and politically significant neo-Nazis.

Next thing we will see is that the stuff has to be Halal for it to be given away. Fwance doesn't have the balls God gave a sow. Wurst to be banned in Germany too I suppose...

Ohhhhhhhhhh....that makes me crave some split pea & ham soup!

Terror nuke rocket attack plotted

By James Madden and Simon Kearney

January 06, 2007 12:00
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NUMEROUS Sydney buildings, including the Lucas Heights nuclear reactor and others housing US companies, were terrorist targets for illegally-bought Australian rocket launchers.

The Saturday Daily Telegraph can reveal alleged terrorists who obtained five of the launchers – believed to have been stolen from the Australian army – discussed using them on the US targets.

One of the targets was a high-rise building near Hyde Park which is the base for American Express.

Another was the nuclear reactor at Lucas Heights, NSW Assistant Police Commissioner Nick Kaldas said today.

Yesterday, a 28-year-old unemployed Leumeah man was in Central Local Court, charged with illegally obtaining and selling seven of the stolen rocket launcher

[Link: www.news.com.au...]

Allowing Islam to flourish in the West is worth the risk of a few nukes here and there. Right?

#107 Earth2moonbat

I'm not sure about that. The 'strange bedfellows' situation in France (and elsewhere in Europe) is due to the lunatics that have popular support there, rather than the system. Israel has a parliament, with proportional representation, too. But the far-left and Arab parties are a tiny minority. In France, though, the far right nearly had a president. Austria has had Nazi ministers. Italy regularly has communist ministers. It ain't the system, but the people.

TO: All
RE: So....

....if pork soup cannot be fed to the needy, I guess then a lot of other French cooking can't either, as it often mentions such things as bacon, ham, lard, etc., which all contain body parts of pigs.

I guess the purpose of this decision is a direct attack on the following:

[1] The poor.
[2] Those farmers who raise pigs.
[3] Common sense.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Let them eat cake. -- Marie Antoinette]

OK, they're making a statement by serving pork. Let's take that as a given. They serve free pork meals with the full intent to exclude people who can't eat pork.

Now tell me how that's worse than government coming in and shutting them down, thus ending the program? Last I checked, targeted charity to particular ethinc-religious groups is alive and well in both private and public institutions. Obviously the argument is governments and approved charities target correct groups for help while excluding others. Some pigs really are more equal than others.

France should stop producing wine and cognac.
Champagne makes muslims sad.
Sausages too.
CaSSoulet is clearly racist-nazi.

The Brits should stop eating bacon.

The italians should avoid offending muslims with porchetta.

Germany, with its twenty thousands qualities of sausages is clearly back to NSDAP.

CONGRATS to French Judges,
ALLONS ENFANTS DE LA SHARI'A

Every once in a while, reading about France, I feel like shouting, "A plague on both your houses!"

Of course, I feel like my head is stuffed with cotton wool this morning, so naturally I'm impatient and irritable.

The far-right groups were trying to make a nasty point, but charity is charity. This ruling is out to lunch.

#21 Killgore Trout - Oh the humanity! Are they sure they didn't squat on the car before they torched it? Who do these guys think they are anyway? Fwench?

#100 Earth

Maybe my coffee hasn't hit yet, but are there any aquatic animals that have scales and no fins?

Heh, I was wondering about that too. Ummmm Turtles have scales on their shells, but have no fins. I know because we have two red-sliders which have grown very large! and they seem to molt their scales as the shell grows. They have little shiny spots on their back that look like scales.

Probably the most important part of that Wiki article, in relation to the subject matter is this:

"Strictly observant followers of either religion will not eat in restaurants not certified to follow its rules."

Which is why this ruling is ridiculous.

It's a pity Muslims can't get along with Jews seeing as we have so many similiarties.

And the French should stop walking around with their white skin. It's clearly a plot to offend the third world immigrants.

Earth2moonbat
Soups on!

#97 Beagle

The government is going far beyond any reasonable limit of government power, and hurting poor people while doing it. But we're supposed to care that some feelings might be hurt through free food. It's nuts.

An excellent description of modern Europe.

#113 Colt 1/6/2007

Israel has a parliament, with proportional representation, too. But the far-left and Arab parties are a tiny minority.

That's because (Neturei Karta notwithstanding) there's no real common ground between the right-wing Jews and islamics. If there were, they'd be joining forces.

As opposed to the American system where if you can't get the attention of one of the two major parties, you're out in the cold. And neither party will entertain the Buchanan wing and the islamic wing at the same time.

Um, I'd be curious to know exactly how many Jews in France are in need of free pork soup and other handouts. I would wager very few.

#119 marjoriemoon 1/6/2007 09:55AM PST

#100 Earth

Maybe my coffee hasn't hit yet, but are there any aquatic animals that have scales and no fins?

Heh, I was wondering about that too. Ummmm Turtles have scales on their shells, but have no fins. I know because we have two red-sliders which have grown very large! and they seem to molt their scales as the shell grows. They have little shiny spots on their back that look like scales.

Probably the most important part of that Wiki article, in relation to the subject matter is this:

"Strictly observant followers of either religion will not eat in restaurants not certified to follow its rules."

Which is why this ruling is ridiculous.

It's a pity Muslims can't get along with Jews seeing as we have so many similiarties.

Muslims cant get along with Jews because Muslims think Jews are descendant from monkies while Muslims are superior. Sounds like another group we all know.

Is there even one Jew in the whole of France who gets his lunch at a soup kitchen?

This whole debate is as pointless as the one about the veil.

Of the numerous objectionable things Muslims/French racists do, is wearing the veil/handing out pork soup anywhere near the worst?

#119 marjoriemoon

It's a pity Muslims can't get along with Jews seeing as we have so many similiarties.

You know what they said about Ishmael.....

#109 E2m

In France, though, as in the rest of Europe, there are organized and politically significant neo-Nazis.

This is getting to be like oral surgery!

Wouldn't you rather have the "far-right" "neo-Nazis" serving pork soup than following the lead of the approved fascists in France? To wit, the Muslims, who actually act like the Nazis did in their formative years. These sorts of rulings make the point of the "neo-Nazis": they've become a targeted, discriminated-against minority in their own country, while immigrants can get away with anything.

I know "equal justice" is just an ideal for which to strive, but applying wildly divergent approaches to different groups, solely based on the labeling of said groups, is not that difficult to comprehend.

Muslims hijack busues and torch them... Give them jobs.

Frenchmen serve pork soup... Take them to court and shut them down.

Hey Y'all - I know many of you are too new to remember LGF poster "Baldy" but he is one of the oldest posters out here and a really great guy. He posted a very poignant comment at #435 on the Dead Thread (Thomas Jefferson's Koran) and for those of you who "know" him, it'd sure be nice to see some more posts to him on the DT and/or have y'all e-mail you're best wishes and sympathies to him.

Let's get real. How many Jews in France (or anywhere, for that matter) are homeless? I do volunteer work with the homeless in NY (in a largely Jewish community). The Jewish population is distinctly underrepresented (not absent, mind you .. just very low numbers) amongst the homeless. Something (my rational mind?) tells me it's most probably the same in France.

This does not negate the fact that there could be duel going on in France between native French Fascists (who also hate Jews, Muslims etc.) on one hand, and Islamofascists (who hate everyone, including themselves) on the other. It's just that the food served will not have any really substantial effect upon the few Jewish homeless, so it's a bogus issue.

Basically, I think we are witnessing a major Fascist Food Fight.

Jews are permitted to eat pork if they're starving. Life comes first. A sound doctrine, especially in comparison to the doctrine on offer from the guys who say ``we love death''. It's great when those guys slip up and tell the truth.

Scratch 123. Didn't read that right. Hurry up, coffee......

/It's still 10 on the left coast......

#127 Colt 1/6/2007 09:59AM PST

This whole debate is as pointless as the one about the veil.

Of the numerous objectionable things Muslims/French racists do, is wearing the veil/handing out pork soup anywhere near the worst?

Wearing the veil is important unless you think hiding your face in the public square is a good thing. Already there have been reported cases of Islamic terrorists getting away by hiding as Muslim women.

#130 realwest

Hi, realwest... :)
Goin' over there, to check it out....

How the hell can police and a judge have power over anything a charity gives out(provided it is legal)?

Now nobody gets soup.

What's next,the Red Cross can't give out blood because the cross offends moslems and infidel blood could end up in a muslim?

No wonder fwance is going down the shithole of history.

When I think of "pork soup" the closest things I come up with are Chinese: Hot and Sour and Wonton with those little strips of pork.

Are Islamists in France going to start targeting the local Wo Hops...

Where's Marie Antoinette when we need her?

#129 Beagle

Wouldn't you rather have the "far-right" "neo-Nazis" serving pork soup than following the lead of the approved fascists in France?

Absolutely. That was exactly the point I was making upthread. It doesn't matter who they are, or what their agenda is. That doesn't affect principles.

#123 Earth2moonbat

That's because (Neturei Karta notwithstanding) there's no real common ground between the right-wing Jews and islamics. If there were, they'd be joining forces.

There have been a few anti-Zionist joint left-Arab parties. Mostly they had an MK or two, before being rolled up in to other parties or breaking up.

As opposed to the American system where if you can't get the attention of one of the two major parties, you're out in the cold. And neither party will entertain the Buchanan wing and the islamic wing at the same time.

No, but the Democrats will certainly entertain the far-left and Muslim voters at the same time. The two-party system is not a greater check on extremist ideas gaining political power than a sane electorate.

Pork soup is race neutral!

As usual, it takes Melanie Phillips to sort it all out..

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

...those who seek to protect their country from the nuclear genocide that is being openly prepared for it [by Iran]... are to be blamed for ‘trigger-happy’ aggression, rather than those who are planning such a holocaust. ..Iran has directly threatened America, has for years attacked America and in Iraq is currently waging war on America, which all might be thought to constitute a somewhat overdue reason for a response by America. But no, it’s those wretched Jews again. What moral and intellectual sickness is this?

Alas, it is the default position in British media and political circles. It is also rampant in the US, but there at least there is now an argument going on. On the outcome of that argument the course of this war — and the fate of the free world — now depends.

#135 Ma Sands - Thank you. It may not seem like much, but sometimes some notes or words of sympathy can mean a lot and Baldy has been one of us longer than hardly anyone else I know.

#137 frankp_63

Where's Marie Antoinette when we need her?

I'm sure they use lard in their cake.

#137 FrankP_63

Where's Marie Antoinette when we need her?

Always beheaded, like yesterday.

TALK ABOUT KARMA !

The Country that invented systematic beheading is now in the hands of the beheadists.

#134 Elric66

Wearing the veil is important unless you think hiding your face in the public square is a good thing. Already there have been reported cases of Islamic terrorists getting away by hiding as Muslim women.

I don't think it is a 'good thing', and I'm aware of the potential (and actual) use of the veil as a disguise by terrorists and criminals.

My point wasn't that it isn't important, but compared to preaching hatred, supporting terrorism, ghettoisation, antisemitism, etc, going after the ~5% of Islamic women who wear the veil is a waste of time.

#139 Colt

No, but the Democrats will certainly entertain the far-left and Muslim voters at the same time.

They're already doing that. They've been hoodwinked by CAIR's bogus demographic data, to wit, 7 million muslims in the US. Realistic estimates are in the 2-3 million range. Suckers. And when they don't get 7 million muslim votes, they claim the election was stolen by Diebold.....

The French far right is . . . [is] virulently antisemitic . . . .

As is the French left and middle class.

#145 Colt

My point wasn't that it isn't important, but compared to preaching hatred, supporting terrorism, ghettoisation, antisemitism, etc, going after the ~5% of Islamic women who wear the veil is a waste of time.

Not if they're getting on airplanes without being properly IDed. We have only begun to see the perniciousness of the vail/PC conspiracy.

#145 Colt 1/6/2007 10:09AM PST

#134 Elric66

Wearing the veil is important unless you think hiding your face in the public square is a good thing. Already there have been reported cases of Islamic terrorists getting away by hiding as Muslim women.

I don't think it is a 'good thing', and I'm aware of the potential (and actual) use of the veil as a disguise by terrorists and criminals.

My point wasn't that it isn't important, but compared to preaching hatred, supporting terrorism, ghettoisation, antisemitism, etc, going after the ~5% of Islamic women who wear the veil is a waste of time.

The veil is a means to the end, just like this pork soup issue.

OK, I read the coverage in Le Monde, and it would appear that the organization, SDF, doesn't only offer pig soup. So, we're down to the issue of whether you only get dessert if you eat said soupe. If there's a mandatory tieing arrangement between the soup and dessert, that's offensive and wrong. If its just any soupe, or and real food before dessert, that's fine. So, we need to know more facts here before there's some real threat of endangering the public order.

#22 bubbaman

A wrong turn on a poorly marked wilderness road need not have resulted in the ordeal of James's wife and two daughters, nor his death while trying desperately to find help.

I hate to seem unsympathetic to a family's tragedy, but "poorly marked wilderness road" is an oxymoron to me.

This pork soup thing is a fun one, in a pure shadenfreudistic "Look at France digging its own grave" kind of way. But Charles is right. Those French far right groups are much more anti-Jewish than anything else. And when the s***t eventually hits the fan and the Right takes power to deal with the Islamic onslaught, the first and main victims will be the Jews. Oh, and the Moslems will just fight back and, if need be, either go someplace else or blend into the scenery for a few centuries to wait for it to pass. So let's not revel in this one too much...

Hey, look, the French state is odious enough in so many ways; lets vut them some slack on this one...

#116

If they try taking our bacon sarnies and beer, the 'slims will have more grief than their slimy arses can handle.

Since a high proportion of French 'slims are the losers in the banilieus, it would be reasonable to assume they would be the ones patronizing the soup kitchens, not the Jews who have more class than to expect everyone else to solve lifes little problems.
Any policy which is designed to cause grief or offense to r@gheads has my wholehearted support.

WAIT A MINUTE!...Where are all the muslim charities! Why is this an issue? Don't muslims give a large percentage to charities? Where is the money going? Why are poor muslims forced to go to unbelievers' soup lines? Again. Where is the money going?

Not if they're getting on airplanes without being properly IDed. We have only begun to see the perniciousness of the vail/PC conspiracy.

The veil is a means to the end, just like this pork soup issue.

That's true, but it wouldn't be a struggle to get airport security people to properly ID anyone wearing a veil. But unlike supporting terrorism, hating Jews, supporting Sharia, etc, people who wear the veil is a tiny minority.

Imagine if the veil were banned tomorrow. A small fraction of the less violent half of a community in which large numbers support terrorism and sharia wouldn't be wearing veils any more. Given how much effort it would require, there are more important things that could be done.

#150 ParisParamus

I read the coverage in Le Monde

Well, instead of the ultra-leftist propaganda, you could try this:

THE VOICE OF THE NOT RACIST FRENCH RESISTANCE

Somebody wanted to know what KOSHER food is?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods

Another win for the Muslims in their ongoing struggle to have things that offend them declared unlawful.

find your violent jihadi on ebay! (#152),

But Charles is right. Those French far right groups are much more anti-Jewish than anything else. And when the s***t eventually hits the fan and the Right takes power to deal with the Islamic onslaught, the first and main victims will be the Jews.

Pay attention to the "deport the muslims" crowd here at LGF. They don't/won't express support for Jews or Israel.

And more often than not, they don't even support Christians who don't live up to their standards.

Funny how once the proscriptions start how always more and more groups get added to the list.

#152

Yeah, if anything this story shows how much of a clusterfuck France really is at this point. Bad for Jews, bad for liberty, bad for us.

#130 realwest

Thanks. That was kind and helpful.

Heads up - if you've missed realwest's post re: Baldy on #130 .. do check it out and then follow your heart .. real west has provided the directions.

161 geepers

I think the deport the muslims crowd are more kook than anything else more sinister

tinfoil hat crowd

best ignored

#161 Geepers 1/6/2007 10:29AM PST

Pay attention to the "deport the muslims" crowd here at LGF. They don't/won't express support for Jews or Israel.

Wow, thats a load of crap, even for you. Congrats.

#161

I for one, do not support the deportation of muslims flat out. I do, however, support the deportation of ANY party who has declared war on the US or provides material support for those that do.

/the proof is in the pudding though, where are the "islamophobic" street attacks in the US? Non-existent.

#26 Earth2moonbat

With all due respect, you don't understand the French. We've had anti-Semitism in Quebec for more than 100 years. Europe is festooned with ultra-right wing groups (which have nothing to do with what you and I would understand as conservatism) for whom the Jews are AT LEAST as much of a problem as Muslims. These groups are all that hostile to Islam per se, they are hostile to blacks. Nazis actually got on quite well with Arab ultra-nationalists.

The bottom line is that you and others here are projecting American values on an alien culture (again). America's far-right luniatic fringe is so vestigial as to be almost non-existent. This is NOT the case n Europe, where the malingering spirit of der Fuerher seduces many to this day.

This is very much about Jews, and wishing it away won't help.

#86 phoenixgirl 1/6/2007 09:29AM PST

#6 humanity

not all Hindus are vegetarian. And then the vegetarians are in different degrees.
-----

I also know pork eating Muslims... one example is a good friend of mine...

its a game of respect for religion. i am just asking, either French court will ask all free kitchens (including that run by muslims on idul-fitar) to become vegitarian, or start again the free french pork kitchens...

i don't know, what is Jewish prospective on it... but i am against this Muslim blackmailing on name of religion....

i am sure, that the name of Jews is been dragged in this article..

#158, that link goes to what is, at best, an editorial that doesn't offer any facts.

By the way, we're talking here about, apparently, publicly-supported charity, not a private foundation (although almost no charity in France is wholly private, if memory serves.

As for the kosher thing, there's certainly a hierarchy of kashrut: dining on a non-kosher chicken and/or on non-kosher dishware eating /= a pork chop.

And I do think it is wrong for Geepers to say that those advocating a blanket deportation of muslims are anti-semites. They are loons, and need to learn a thing or two about liberty, but they are not anti-semites. I think that is a paranoid charge.

#164 shug 1/6/2007 10:30AM PST

161 geepers

I think the deport the muslims crowd are more kook than anything else more sinister

tinfoil hat crowd

best ignored

As kookie as saying Islam is an evil religion but those whose practice it can stay? That's ok, because as Muslims get a larger demographic here in the US, you will see the same thing here thats happening in Eurabia. You can ignore our side but you wont be able to ignore the facts. Have fun burying your head in the sand.

PIMF These groups are not all that hostile to Islam per se

Remember that photo of pigs competing in a beauty contest in Russia that Charles posted? I think the pigs were wearing bikinis.

elric66

come on. you can't deport millions of people. get real.

I favor the bugging of all moaques. tap em. tap em tap em

round up the bad ones.
severe punishment.
set a message to all those that think we are weak.

You are an American. become an American, a loyal patriotic American.....or else. Try to harm America, you get harmed

but mass deportations? Yes that's a kook idea

#170 Dr. Manhattan

Americans really do not understand Europe any better than Europeans understand Americans. Having lived in Europe, been married to a European whose grandfather was in the SS, and travelled extensively there for many years I can tell you without a shred of doubt that:

1. Anti-Semitism is widespread and deep in Europe;

2. Generally speaking, the ultra-right are more against blacks a Jews than they are against Arab Muslims per se;

3. These groups represent millions of people;

4. There is no corresponding ultra-right in America (which is why Americans have so much trouble grasping what is going on here).

#167 Pro Bush Canuck

America's far-right luniatic fringe is so vestigial as to be almost non-existent. This is NOT the case n Europe, where the malingering spirit of der Fuerher seduces many to this day.

Can you elaborate on this distinction a bit? Thanks

#169 ParisParamus

If you would stop a moment with YOUR leftist propaganda, you could have the time to read the page I linked to and see that they are the ORGANIZERS of the distribution of soup and you could read (scrolling down to yesterday articles) that they call for a large action of ALL French People against the islamonazis and openly attack any racist organization.

THE VOICE OF THE NOT RACIST FRENCH RESISTANCE

#163 Daisy - You're more than welcome. I suspect posts and e-mails to Baldy expressing sympathy and, for many, prayers will be of some benefit for him. Just hope other LGFer's have done the same.

#171 Elric66

It is quite possible to believe that it may become necessary to deport many or most Muslims from the West, without simultaneously being a white supremacist ultra-nationalist who also wants to get rid of the Jews, blacks, Indians--everyone.

There are rational reasons why many people feel that Islam is incompatible with the West. There are no rational reasons to feel the same way about Jews, or say Vietnamese.

#174 shug
Some people can't see what they've become. Part of me wants to say "don't bother" but it is important to speak against against paranoid zealotry.
Good luck.

#174 shug 1/6/2007 10:38AM PST

elric66

come on. you can't deport millions of people. get real.

I favor the bugging of all moaques. tap em. tap em tap em

Why would you need to tap all the mosques unless something is wrong with the "religion"

Sounds like the same argument as for illegal immigrants. We cant deport them all so lets let the illegals stay. Sounds like a quitters strategy.

No non Kosher food, except in the case of saving a Jews life, may be eaten by a Jew. All kosher foods, except fresh fruit and vegetables, must have what is a called a heksher from a Jewish Rabbi who specializes in determining kosher from treif, that is non kosher.
Thus no observant Jew would ever even eat from any non kosher restaurant or free food kitchen did not have a certificate of Kashrut.
Of course, this issue is a non starter in the context of this court ruling. The judge who made this ruling did so out of fear of Moslems and their well know record of physical violence, not to make Jews equal, or to take Jewish interests into account.

#179 Pro-Bush Canuck 1/6/2007 10:43AM PST

#171 Elric66

It is quite possible to believe that it may become necessary to deport many or most Muslims from the West, without simultaneously being a white supremacist ultra-nationalist who also wants to get rid of the Jews, blacks, Indians--everyone.

There are rational reasons why many people feel that Islam is incompatible with the West. There are no rational reasons to feel the same way about Jews, or say Vietnamese.

Exactly. He just doesnt like me so wants to paint me as a Jew hater, which Im not. I am very pro Israel, I just cant stand Olmert because he is selling out Israel.

shug (#164),

best ignored

I agree for the most part.

The problem is, by not challenging them, you leave yourself open to accusations of tacit approval.

And if Charles were to ban them, he'd be accused of censorship (and by letting them continue to post he gets accused of supporting their position by giving a platform to them, one of those wonderful lose-lose "prizes" you get just for playing.)

THIS IS FROM AN ARTICLE PUBLISHED IN THE LAST FEW DAYS ON THE WEB PAGE OF THE FRENCH RESISTANCE I LINKED TO:

(I am doing too many things and I haven't the time to translate now, sorry)

Je constate malheureusement que 2 maux viennent affaiblir la résistance française :
- le racisme ;
- les querelles intestines.

Le racisme est une question cruciale.

...tous les racistes que comptent la France , homme au cerveau étroit, incapable d'aucune nuance, sont les premiers à mettre en danger la résistance.

D'ailleurs qu'est-ce que la résistance si ce n'est le combat contre le racisme, assassin et dominateur que véhicule les islamistes, par leur lecture littérale du Coran et de la Sunna.

Pourrions-nous accepter un certain type de racisme, pour en combattre un autre ?

Pourrions-nous accepter un certains type de dictature, pour en éviter une autre ?

Nous n'avons que faire du soutien des racistes, ils ne peuvent que miner notre lutte, et anéantir notre espoir, en faisant les jeux de nos ennemis.

elric66

1.tap all mosques because that's where the bad ones are at some point. If you want to find blackjack players, tap the casinos. ;)

changing gears if you must

2. Deport 10 million illegals. Sure I'd love to.........but I don't have hundreds of thousands of buses.
give up? Nope.

change things here to make it less attractive for them to stay? Sure. ( end welfare, arrest employers that hire them. etc yes! ) They'll see themselves out.

arrest and hang islamofascists in our country that mean us harm. Yes. Each and every one we can catch.
But ship out millions of people, well it's
#1 impossible
#2 insane

God bless

#169, link or name of piece, please? There is nothing remotely "Leftist' about what I wrote. I repeat, if they are only serving pig soup, the injunction is likely just; if its only one thing on the menu, its wrong. Why is that Leftist?

#176 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

There are a handful of far right groups in the US, typified by Stormfront, the American Nazi Party, the KKK, etc. While the KKK once had significant traction it does not today. None of these groups is even remotely respectable to anyone save themselves, and their membership is probably 0.0001% of the US population or thereabouts.

In much of Europe there are similar groups which enjoy widespread support. Despite the misconception that Europeans are all "liberals", they are not. They are Leftists for the most part, and to a lesser extent they are the mirror-image Fascist/Racists like the group behind the pork soup story.

America has Leftists galore. Evil scum like Ramsey Clark, Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore are on CNN regularly. However America lacks the mirror image, and leftists often try to tar us--libertarian/conservatives--with this brush when in fact we are nothing of the sort.

We are against Islam because Islam is against the very foundations of Western civilization. European right-wingers are not all that upset about Islam, as long as they aren't black. They are upset with Jews, just as they have been for centuries.

I for one do not want to be associated with either side of the scum-spectrum--left or "right".

#174 shug

24/7 live feed in their mosque. I'm for it. Expose the cockroaches to light and they run.

elric66

PS: I agree w/ you in spirit and by that I mean, I love America and want to see our way of life continue

it's the methods where we disagree

A French judge issues a perfectly reasoned judgement against the far right in France (like Le Pen's FN) and it gets turned into a muslim bashing exercise.

Isn't there anyrhing better to discuss?

Perhaps the Golan could be returned to Syria in return for a peace settlement like the Sinai?

Dr. Manhattan (#170),

Watch how quick, the "commies", "traitors", "homos", Gypsies, and Christians In Name Only get added to the purists "list of unacceptables".

This isn't about anti-Semitism, it's about labeling people for deportation. And who gets to put that label on who.

You don't support communists do you? Or do you?

Hmm....

From Wikipedia:

Most agree that frogs are haraam due to the prohibition of killing it in hadith.

Maybe that's why they burn cars and kill Jews? Can't kill frogs?

#190 shug ~ doesn't seem to matter to him. You will now be referred to as one of the lizards that "doesn't get it" - "head in the sand" blah, blah, blah.

Better than kook though.

#188 Pro-Bush Canuck...

Thanks for the insight. I've been wondering lately where, in Europe or elsewhere, the equivalent is of the American who is:

- libertarian
- "moderately" conservative, certainly not a member of the KKK or Stormfront
- national security oriented
- very concerned about the rise of Jihadism all around the world
- rooted fundamentally in the culture of civil liberties, freedom of expression, innovation, and progress

It seems like there are many of us here, perhaps 1/3 of the population, but in Europe, it's either lefty goofballs or kill-the-Jews.

#196 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

Then there is a 1/3 that doesn't even realize we are in the fight. When they figure it out, and Bubba realizes they'll take his beer away- it's on.

#167 Pro-Bush Canuck

No, it doesn't have anything to do with Jews in the sense that it isn't the Jews who are kicking up the fuss. What the groups are doing may very well have to do with that, but it wouldn't be controversial if there wasn't a concern for the sensibilities of the group that fit's this claim:

such handouts could spark angry reactions

That isn't about the Jews.

#145 Colt:

My point wasn't that it isn't important, but compared to preaching hatred, supporting terrorism, ghettoisation, antisemitism, etc, going after the ~5% of Islamic women who wear the veil is a waste of time.

Many cultures have religious dress codes besides Jews and Muslims. The Amish, the Mennonites, Indians. Aside from hiding yourself in a sheet in order to do someone evil, the idea is based on modesty and to some degree not flaunting wealth. And as to that, I have no problems, if that's what you so believe and choose to do.

American Muslim women do not cover their face and their typical dress, whereas it covers the skin and hair in the same way as Orthodox Jewsish women cover their skin, is not form-fitting. They were robes, I don't know the term, I'm sure there is one. Orthodox Jewish women wear typical Western wear (besides pants).

Also important to note, Jewish men also were religious garments, as does both sexes of the Amish. Muslim men do not. I'm talking about in primarly Western societies, although that isn't always true. The Arab men in the WB and Gaza wear street clothes and the women do not.

This is my bone of contention where Muslims are concerned, particularly as represented in a full-on burqa, the basic black variety. It's not about modesty or flaunting wealth because then, why aren't the men doing it? It's about suppression of women. And though you're right, it's a waste of time, my heart goes out to these Muslim women, because their compliance is out of force, no matter how compliant they are.

FWIW, the Le Monde article quoted an organization person as saying that no Islamic or Jewish group was complaining...

168 humanity

its a game of respect for religion.

Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner.

#196 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

The only countries that contain significant populations which are similar to freedom-loving Americans (i.e., not leftists) are the other Anglosphere countries: Australia, Canada and the UK (probably in that order).

That is not to say all Europeans are either leftists or fascists! Some are apolitical, and there are many who are in fact lovers of liberty and quiet admirers of the American model. The same is true virtually anywhere--you will find some good people.

The problem is that the vast majority of the world's population thoroughly misunderstands America due to:

1. The depredations of Western Leftists (the most pervasively evil force on earth);

2. Cultural ignorance and blame-casting (mainly within Islam)

America's worst enemy by far is roughly 10% of her own population, who are depraved leftists bent on destroying America and everything she stands for. The most difficult question your nation has ever faced--by far--is what to do about the Left.

A little bit of translation from the PORK SOUP page:

D'ailleurs qu'est-ce que la résistance si ce n'est le combat contre le racisme, assassin et dominateur que véhicule les islamistes, par leur lecture littérale du Coran et de la Sunna.

What is then the resistance ? The fight against the murderous and dominating racism spread by the islamists with their literal reading of the Koran of the Sunna.

COMMENT : THEY DON'T EVEN SAY THAT ISLAM IS THE ENEMY !

Pourrions-nous accepter un certain type de racisme, pour en combattre un autre ?

COuld we accept one kind of racism to fight against another kind of racism ?

COMMENT: scil. NOT

Pourrions-nous accepter un certains type de dictature, pour en éviter une autre ?

Could we accept a certain kind of dictatorship to avoid another dictatorship ?

COMMENT: scil. NOT

Nous n'avons que faire du soutien des racistes, ils ne peuvent que miner notre lutte, et anéantir notre espoir, en faisant les jeux de nos ennemis.

We have nothing to do with the support (offered by) the racists, they can only weaken our fight, annihilate our hope and play the game of our enemies.

As you all can see, no FN here...

Should be some fireworks in Gaza.

Get the popcorn ready.

#200 marjoriemoon

This is my bone of contention where Muslims are concerned, particularly as represented in a full-on burqa, the basic black variety. It's not about modesty or flaunting wealth because then, why aren't the men doing it? It's about suppression of women.

That's one issue, and it's valid. The other issue, and we haven't even begun to see the ramifications of it, is they way that little by little, they're being excused from having to identify themselves in situations where us mere kufr are required by law to do so. It's an equal protection issue. Slowly but surely, they're establishing a privliged status. You have to furnish ID unless you're a bag lady.

If we don't resoundingly nip this in the bud, some very, very bad things await us down the road.

If they care so much for the hungry , what's to stop Muslim groups serving halal meals to the homeless if they are so inclined ?
Or is charity an alien concept to the RoP ?

#203 Pro-Bush Canuck

The only countries that contain significant populations which are similar to freedom-loving Americans (i.e., not leftists) are the other Anglosphere countries: Australia, Canada and the UK (probably in that order).

While that's generally true, I think that the former Warsaw pact countries still have enough memory of totalitarianism to where a significant segment of the population at least appreaciate freedom. Despite that, antisemitism runs deeper there than in the West. So while you have a certain resistance to socialist utopianism there, they're just as likely, if not more so, to be antisemetic. They may be the most resistant part of Europe to islamofascism, but they're no place for Jews.

#182 beni:

Of course, this issue is a non starter in the context of this court ruling. The judge who made this ruling did so out of fear of Moslems and their well know record of physical violence, not to make Jews equal, or to take Jewish interests into account.

Exactly right.

As to Paris:

On the surface, the ruling "appears" to be under the idea of even-handedness, fairness and non-discrimination. But does it really? If you read Beni's post above or my own, or others who have commented on dietary laws among Jews and Muslims, serving pork is only a fraction of what those laws contain. So it can't possibly be any kind of issue to anyone who would be truly offended. The proof in that, as AS YOU STATED YOURSELF no Jew or Muslim complained about it, meaning no Jew or Muslim eating there is religious enough to care about it. That is why this is a form of appeasement to head off a possibly riot, instead of putting their sympathies where they belong. Cold, homeless people who won't get a favorite soup.

Ah France, more concerned about not offending Islam than they are about free food for the poor.

While out kicking some footballs and doing some bird watching this morning I came across some Irish Whiskey at #191. Perhaps someone is familiar with the website that is revealed by clicking on Irish Whiskey at #191?

#207 jammie:

Yeah, things are definitely heating up.

#214 Gymnast

THERE FOR YOU:

The primary aim of Gush Shalom is to influence Israeli public opinion and lead it towards peace and conciliation with the Palestinian people, based on the following principles:
Putting an end to the occupation,
Accepting the right of the Palestinian people to establish an independent and sovereign State of Palestine in all the territories occupied by Israel in 1967,

Condi-moonbatists.

"That is why this is a form of appeasement to head off a possibly riot, instead of putting their sympathies where they belong. Cold, homeless people who won't get a favorite soup."

And heading off a possible riot is a bad thing?

200 marjorimoon: your comments on Moslem female apparel are naive. True, Moslem organisations pay families of Moslem women and girls (Euros 500 per month) in Europe to force them to wear this gear and, true, both Moslem and non-Moslem women living in Moslem 'enclaves' wear it to avoid being raped, beaten or killed by Moslem men and, true, it is a disguise used by Moslem men and Moslem women to carry out crimes (suicide bombings, escapes, shoplifting, etc).

However, as a top Al-Quaeda official stated a week or so back, women who wear this are 'warriors in the war against the West' and many of the younger ones are certainly aware of its value as a psychological tool. The day Western women realise this will be the day they start ripping these face masks off these 'warriors.' This apparel is pushed by the Moslem Brotherhood in the Middle East and has been since the 1920s.

Being a non-person in wearing such gear also helps to absolve the wearer from the moral responsibility for her personal behavior and her duty to be part of human society.

Are they not going to hand out beef soup either because of fear of Hindus? Are they not going to hand out non kosher chicken soup because the Jews and Muslims in fact share the rules about kosher products? What about vegetarian homeless? Maybe it should be vegetable soup so that the Christians, Hindus, Muslims, kosher Jews, vegetarian homeless can eat it? But they better not serve it during the daytime during the month of Ramadan when people are supposed to be fasting. Personally I never heard of pork soup and it sounds yucky, sort of like pig milk.

#206 Poitiers-Lepanto

Here's the dilema: They say that. They may or may not actually mean it. Go to David Duke's webpage. What's he talking about? How he hates the Jews? No. He's too disingenuous to come out and say it. He talks about Zionism as seperate and distinct from Jewish identity. He talks about free speech vis-a-vis the Holocaust. A naive reader would think he's a libertarian. The extremists of both ends never advertise their true thoughts. They put their words in terms that resonate with the intended audience.

That's why you have to not give them an issue. The judge in this case is actually playing right into the neo-Nazi's hands, because now they can rant on about freedom. The best thing to do in a case of provokation like this is nothing. They were banking on that not happening.

#22 Bubbaman

The tragic death of James Kim in the snowy mountains of Oregon, captured the hearts of the nation as rescuers desperately searched for the missing man. His mother writes in today's WaPo - we know who's to blame: the government.

The article linked at #22 ("The Lessons In My Son's Death') is great example of the liberal mindset. All the "lessons" learned require government legislation to childproof the wilderness. Now there are lessons to be learned from this tragedy:

1. Always check the weather before going on a long car trip, especially in winter.

2. Be prepared for an emergency.

3. Never rely on one(online) source for directions, if you can, ask some one who has driven the route.

4. If you're not used to driving in snow, don't try to drive through a major storm.

5. Never leave your car if it gets stuck.

Again, assuimng porc soupe is only one thing on the menu, I disagree with the decision--OK?

taxfreekiller (#192),

So, what is back stabing any way, is that a poor looser at work or what.?

Gosh I hope that's a rhetorical question.

Coming from someone who likes to run around calling people back stabbers, I can assume so right?

And for someone who ran around having a little fit calling another poster a "back stabber" for "stealing" the rightfully your post 1,000 I can also assume that you call anyone and everyone a back stabber for no better reason than to type out the letters "back stabber" on your key board also right? So it doesn't really mean jack shit.

You didn't think I just forgot about how you followed me from thread to thread calling me such did you? Or were you really that pissed off that you called me a "back stabber" for something so absolutely trivial?

And you talk about "poor losing"?

Preach to someone else "prophet".

Oh, and learn how to actually spell "stabing" if you are going to be accusing people of it.

And "looser" too.

#220 GreenSoccer

In San Francisco, the group that calls itself "Food, Not Bombs" (don't get me started, I have a long and furious rant about them) serves vegetarian meals to the homeless.

The consequences are somewhat less than uplifting from a public health standpoint.

Anyone who serves vegetarian fare should be required to supply port-a-potties.

#221 Earth2moonbat

You are being misguided by how the story is presented here: the FN has nothing to do with the French Resistance as organized around the France-echos page. You say "the neo-nazis" as if we were talking of the far-right.

That language is the same used by the moonbats talking about LGF.

These guys are exactly like the United American Committee, no link to any traditional far right group.

In the article I translated, they say they DON'T want to get mixed with the racists of the FN.

OT

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Allah be praised

#210 Earth2moonbat

During my sojourn here in cosmopolitan Toronto (probably the most diverse city in North America--and I mean diverse, not Muslim saturated as with London UK) I have had occaision to converse with a Pole, a Russian and a Ukranian.

Poles in particular are very anti-Semitic. I'm sorry, but it is simply the case. My Polish acquaintence admiitted as much, and is not at all proud of the fact (he now has a close Jewish friend, so things change once people get to Canadan). The Ukranian and Russian women are not fooled by Leftist bullshit for one second. Both of them are highly scornful of North American leftists, yet also quite pessimisstic about Russis'a prospects of avoiding collapse and/or oblivion.

I'm no Leftist, but I am not against having plenty of immigrants as long as they are from lots of different backgrounds, religions, races, etc. Europe's HUGE problem is that they have selected immigrants almost exclusively fromt he Muslim world. Although our Canadian leftists (being inherently Satanic) go out of their way to tip the scales in favor of jihadists, Palestinians and Pakistanis whenever possible, they still have not managed to create the utter nightmare that threatens Western Europe.

Canada still has a LONG way to go before we pull our of our long leftist decline (this week an activist judge "redefined the family" to permit three parents) but we have some hope and some chance of succeeding.

#214, P-L. I thought that #191,Irish Whiskey was packaged in a feather covered, shitbird shaped bottle. It's posting history goes back over two years, but only 9 posts total. Most similar in nature to the one at #191

Come on, just serve spare ribs and everything will be okay.

Ask any Jew, they don't count

Poles in particular are very anti-Semitic.

It's in their blood.

And dem der blackies, dey be stupit.

#230 gymnast

Everybody's history goes back to 2004, no matter when they joined. Nine posts indicates a newbie.

#33 andreaSF 1/6/2007 08:52AM PST

Seriously, I bet there are no Jews in France with no place to go for food. They just don't live and raise their children that way. It's all about the Islamists.

~~~~~~~~

What you think there are no needy Jews in the world? They're all doctors and lawyers living in Malibu beach houses, right?

Gimme a break

#229 Pro-Bush Canuck

this week an activist judge "redefined the family" to permit three parents

Interesting. This reminds me that I never told you Folks anything about my planet here.
We have seven different sexes and the possible combinations (N!) are 5,040.

You People from Earth are amateurish...

/if a judge can mix himself with which soup is in the pot, I can post this, it's insanity all the way ahead.

#232 Geepers

Not sure what you meant but that. If you are trying to tell me that Poland does not have serious problems with anti-Semitism then you're wrong, plain and simple.

#222 Van Impe

I agree with this one, though:

Unfortunately for James, aviation authorities acquiesced to media requests to relax restrictions and allowed low-altitude media flights in the area while the aerial search was still underway. This untimely and irrational decision caused many rescue helicopters to abandon their operations for one full afternoon due to dangerous conditions created by media airplanes. It took personal pleas to Washington to get restrictions reinstated. The search, not media interest, should be the top priority.

One more time, just like in Iraq, the media get in the middle of things where there are serious people with serious work to do, and the end result is the serious work doesn't get done. The media aren't special people, who should be granted any privlidges. Period.

A very simple question is my only comment on this (for now..... time prohibits me):

What business is it
of the State
Any State
to tell ANYONE
what they can
GIVE AWAY
FOR FREE?

/not really here, carry on
see you tomorrow

#235 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'm sure our leftoids are working overtime to catch up. Judging by the personal advertisements in the back pages of the leftist rags here in Toronto, I'd say we're already close to six or seven sexes.

#238 BabbaZee

Exactly. Even if the pork soup nazis are in fact Nazis, the fact that the heavy-handed state can stop them from handing out soup is plenty frightening in its own right.

Let me tell you about Canadian "Human Rights Tribunals" some time, BabbaZee. Your hair will stand on end.

TFK
are these people going back perm or weekend jaunts?
auntie

#229 Pro-Bush Canuck

Europe's HUGE problem is that they have selected immigrants almost exclusively from he Muslim world.

That's it in a nutshell. The UK has a significant number of Indian Hindus and Sikhs, and while those cultures have issues such as mysogyny, they're not a problem, because 1) they're generally not violent, and 2) they aren't impervious to assimilation. Those people will by fully assimilated in a generation or two. Not so with the muslims.

#239 Pro-Bush Canuck

I'd say we're already close to six or seven sexes.

That's better. But look at the USA: a woman Speaker of the House ! A woman !

A quadrisexual would be the index of some real progress. A woman is so...neanderthalian...

And I am told she is a grandmother, which brings back terrible memories of "viviparity".

Insanely fascist.

Hemp fest.

#233, Pro Bush Canuck. I thought the same until I checked the post dates. Some go back over 2 years. Irish Whiskey is not a newbie.

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

Toss'em a can of sardines.

#243 Earth2moonbat

London has had a substantial Indian population for close to a century. Their were sporadic conflicts here and there over the decades, but nothing remotely approaching the situation today, when the Met feels the need to quietly purchase 8,000 body bags.

Those Jooosss are going to start chopping heads any second.

#246 gymnast

OK, I stand corrected. Good to know.

#244 P-L

A quadrisexual would be the index of some real progress. A woman is so...neanderthalian...

And I am told she is a grandmother, which brings back terrible memories of "viviparity".

Thank you!

My laughing at that may have triggered one heck of a coughing fit, but it was so worth it!

#239 Pro-Bush Canuck

Judging by the personal advertisements in the back pages of the leftist rags here in Toronto, I'd say we're already close to six or seven sexes.

Right, but there are exclusion rules. Not all combinations work. Instead of seven factorial, it's more like maybe a few hundred permutations.

Pro-Bush Canuck (#236),

If you are trying to tell me that Poland does not have serious problems with anti-Semitism then you're wrong, plain and simple.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to tell you.

No you moron, I'm trying to tell you that the Canadian person I talked to admitted that Canadians are slack jawed idiots.

Thanks for proving my point.

Is my subtly just to nuanced for you?

#244 Poitiers-Lepanto

Well, how many restrooms do you have in your high schools? We have three: Men, Women, Transexuals.

In college we collapse this down to one, however. Plus we put the men, women and trannys in the same dorm room. It is essential to teach kids at a young age that sex is for frivolous entertainment ONLY.

#251 Dianna

You are welcome. :-)

Although I am very sorry for the coughing fit.

Have a HALLS !

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#219 cry of defiance

your comments on Moslem female apparel are naive. True, Moslem organisations pay families of Moslem women and girls (Euros 500 per month) in Europe to force them to wear this gear

I am quite naive on many issues, I readily admit and paying women to wear a burqa, I had no clue about!

However, as a top Al-Quaeda official stated a week or so back, women who wear this are 'warriors in the war against the West'

But, you see, this is all declared by men, not women. Western woman are also entrapped by it, but to a lesser degree then their sisters in the M.E.

Charles posted a Afghani video last week or so where a young boy was talking about the necessity of his sisters to wear a hijab. The women, on the other hand, very vocally expressed their dismay about it. You may also recall numerous stories about the "make-up parties", religious Muslim women gathering in secret together to apply make-up, hairstyles and the like.

Being a non-person in wearing such gear also helps to absolve the wearer from the moral responsibility for her personal behavior and her duty to be part of human society.

I still contend it's an issue put upon them that they have no way out, other than their own death. Psychologically applied, absolutely, brainwashed, in fact, but the root is still true.

#253 Geepers

I have nothing to say to you.

#254 Pro-Bush Canuck

Well, how many restrooms do you have in your high schools? We have three: Men, Women, Transexuals.

Tell me you are kiddin'.

I can't believe that !

Pizza with Canadian Bacon and pineapple, and tomato sauce and mozzarella cheese.

I have nothing to say to you.

This post is written in English.

How can you smile at a child and radiate motherly love, if you have a burka on?

All the kids see are scary men with beards.

#253 Geepers

Except this:

Poland's Century: War, Communism and Anti-Semitism

-- London School of Economics

I seem to have hit a nerve with you. Not sure why; don't care. But kindly know what the f%^$ you are talking about next time.

#254 Pro-Bush Canuck

What?

Transexual restrooms in high school? I can't formulate exactly why that seems so out of place, but it surely does.

ploome (#258),

well, then France should ban all non kosher meat to be served to homeless, because all meat is not suitable for Jews.

Pork is not more forbidden than non kosher lamb or beef or chicken

Oh, and now you're bringing logic into the argument?

What are you? Some sort of "back staber"?

#261 Geepers

"It takes less time to do a thing right than explain why you did it wrong." -- Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

):

What's happening here ?

Are we in for paradoxes ?

Here I go:

THIS POST IS NOT WRITTEN IN ENGLISH !

/the pork soup story is demential, the thread must keep up with it.

#254 Pro-Bush Canuck

Well, how many restrooms do you have in your high schools? We have three: Men, Women, Transexuals.

So the men's room has urnals, and the woman's room has toilets. That's the tranny room have, this?

I could go for some Goats Head Soup right now.

#265 Dianna

I was exaggerating a bit. But only a bit!

#269 Earth2moonbat

Well that seems right, but so far I haven't had the pleasure of entering one.

BAM! BAM! BAM! Pork fat rules!

Once again, everyone must suffer because poor think skined, sensitive souled Muslims dont like something and are offended by it.

Muslims better pray to their meteor that they never get offended around me. Ill show them what offense means.

Im sick and tired of these fake antics that Muslims throw the way a 4 year old does.
They just cant seem to make the connection or do they.

I say punish them SEVERLY.

Break out the old whippin stick.

SNAP!

#271 Pro-Bush

Whew!

My cold is killing me, so I'm irony-impaired. And humor impaired. Heck, I'm reason impaired today.

I'm relieved that it's an exageration for humorous effect.

263 Ojoe

How can you smile at a child and radiate motherly love, if you have a burka on?

Its the obliteration of full expression. What is smile if it is not seen? Or even a frown or a look of confusion?

The French judge added:

In France, beggars can be choosers.