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Breaking: Pork Soup Racist Again in France

Sat, Jan 6, 2007 at 8:39:02 am PST

Looks like we spoke too soon last Wednesday, because pork soup is racist in France after all.

PARIS — A top French judge ruled that an extreme-right group cannot serve pork soup to the needy, saying the charitable handouts aim to discriminate against Muslims and Jews who don’t eat pork because of their faith.

Judge Christian Vigouroux of the Council of State, the country’s highest administrative body, said late Friday that such giveaways by the far-right group Solidarity of the French threaten public order. His ruling approved a decision by Paris police to refuse permits to the group on the grounds that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

France is home to more than 5 million Muslims and some 600,000 Jews. Both Islam and Judaism prohibit eating pork, and Vigouroux said the group had shown “a clearly discriminatory goal” with its charity.

Solidarity of the French was just one of several far-fight groups that began distributing pork soup across France over the last four years. Critics contend the giveaway of pork soup is a far-right ploy to draw support for their efforts to defend against perceived threats to European culture.

Far-right groups defend the soup as nothing more than an age-old staple of the rural heartland from which all the French, at least in the national imagination, are said to spring. “Pork-fat soup is traditionally the soup of the poor because it provides complete nourishment,” said Bruno Le Griel, a lawyer for the group.

Le Griel argued that no needy Jew or Muslim was forced to consume the pork soup. But the judge said the group’s Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

If the media characterization of this “far-right” group is correct, I have no doubt that they are indeed targeting their actions against Jews as well as Muslims. The French far right is not just anti-Muslim, it’s virulently antisemitic as well.

But the media and the French are disingenuous to imply that this group is coming under scrutiny because of their attitudes toward Jews and Muslims; they give it away when they say the permits were refused out of fear of “angry reactions.” It isn’t Jews who will riot in the suburbs of Paris over something like this.

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1 JammieWearingFool  1/06/07 6:40:22 am reply quote

Just finished up some bacon. Mmm. Love pork products.

Oink.

2 bigdicksplace  1/06/07 6:41:50 am reply quote

Bacon tastes good, sausage tastes good...

3 ibew-con  1/06/07 6:42:18 am reply quote

Let's drop pork soup on Mecca.

4 Chicken Kiev  1/06/07 6:42:31 am reply quote

Judges throwing Europe away...

5 JammieWearingFool  1/06/07 6:42:46 am reply quote

It must be racist since they call it the other white meat.

6 humanity  1/06/07 6:43:15 am reply quote

so that means i can make whole France a vegetarian country, as there exist Hindus tooo... who are vegitarian

7 Elric66  1/06/07 6:43:17 am reply quote

No surprise. This is what happens when Muslims get a large demographics, they start demanding Sharia law.

8 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:43:21 am reply quote

This ain't about Jews, froggie. Stop lying.

9 shug  1/06/07 6:43:34 am reply quote

The homeless would rather starve on principle

go ahead, ask them

10 lawhawk  1/06/07 6:43:40 am reply quote

Yer cant have any pudding if you wont eat your meat! You, yes you behind the bandstand. Stand still with it... /pink floyd

The French have such a refined sense of morality that they would make it impossible to serve any homeless people because some portion of the homeless population might not be able to eat the food.

11 ParisParamus  1/06/07 6:43:40 am reply quote

Sorry, but depending on the details and specifics, I might have to agree with the Judge. This is not as outrageous as it may seem.

12 Van Impe  1/06/07 6:44:04 am reply quote
it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first

Sounds like my mother had a hand in writing the rules!

13 humanity  1/06/07 6:44:16 am reply quote

#3

infact i also think so, to spray pork blood on all islamic nations to make them holy

14 shug  1/06/07 6:44:57 am reply quote

I wonder if anybody is giving the homeless wine

Would that be racist too because it might offend Jews and Muslims ?

again, I say the homeless would rather avoid all alcohol on principle

15 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:45:41 am reply quote
But the judge said the group’s Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

So now kids can demand dessert without eating dinner first?

16 Old Gobbo  1/06/07 6:46:15 am reply quote

I like the way they keep mentioning Jewish food requirements. I wonder how many Jews have been demanding that this group stop serving pork soup to the starving, in order to spare their feelings? Or, perhaps, just perhaps, is it only Muslims who rank their sensitivities above other people's lives?

Just realised, it isn't only Muslims. Leftists rank Muslim sensitivities above others' lives too.

17 Elric66  1/06/07 6:46:18 am reply quote

So how soon before French Supermarkets arent allowed to sell pork? Dont want to offend the Muslims.

18 Terp Mole  1/06/07 6:46:46 am reply quote

Elsewhere in Eurabia;

FREE BOMBER TO SAVE NURSES

FIVE Bulgarian nurses condemned to death will only be spared if the Lockerbie bomber is freed.

Libyan leader Colonel Muammar Gaddafi has been urged to spare the women, and a Palestinian doctor, who were found guilty of deliberately infecting children with HIV.

But he yesterday pledged their lives would only be saved if Lockerbie bomber Abel Baset Al-Megrahi was released from prison in Scotland.

Gaddafi said: "Abdel Baset Al-Megrahi is innocent. We say, 'Let the Scottish court set him free.' You say, 'No, we won't set him free.'

"He won't be free? Then the medics won't be free."

Libyan Al-Megrahi was convicted in 2001 for the 1988 bombing of Pan-Am flight 103, which exploded over Lockerbie, killing 270.

Last night, the families of the nurses, who claim all five were tortured into confessing, were furious.

Dr Zdravko Georgiev, whose wife Kristiana faces death, said: "It makes me sick. But no matter how wrong it is, I want my wife back."

"Noreiga" Kaddafi NOW!

Nemo me impune lacessit

Carthago delenda est

19 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 6:47:23 am reply quote

No dessert? THE HUMANITY!

/haven't eaten a real dessert in months

20 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:47:51 am reply quote
the charitable handouts aim to discriminate against Muslims and Jews who don’t eat pork because of their faith.
...
that such handouts could spark angry reactions.

I see. The Jews are going to riot......

/Spam wars.....

21 Killgore Trout  1/06/07 6:47:56 am reply quote

OT:Fatah abuses quran...
yahoo pic


Wasfi Kibha from Hamas, the Palestinian Minister for Prisoner Affairs, examines a burned Quran, Islam's holy book, after assailants torched his car in the West Bank town of Jenin Thursday Jan. 4, 2007. Assailants targeted three senior Hamas officials in the West Bank, kidnapping one, torching the car of a second and shooting in the air as a third emerged from a mosque, officials said Thursday. There was no immediate claim of responsibility.


Another pic of the abused quran here

22 Bubbaman  1/06/07 6:48:13 am reply quote

off topic...

The WaPo has convicted the marines at Haditha.

further off topic...

The tragic death of James Kim in the snowy mountains of Oregon, captured the hearts of the nation as rescuers desperately searched for the missing man. His mother writes in today's WaPo - we know who's to blame: the government.

23 kepiblanc  1/06/07 6:48:36 am reply quote

In the German city Flensburg the Deutsche Kriegsmarine serves free pork soup to all and everyone during Christmas. Very delicious, cooked with yellow peas and served with pork sausages.

Wonder how the Germans will react if this French madness spreads ? - I'll tell you : very, very nasty....

24 lawhawk  1/06/07 6:48:45 am reply quote

Meanwhile, down in Gaza, things are coming to a head:

[Link: lawhawk.blogspot.com...]

Abbas thinks that he can take on Hamas - declaring that Hamas' executive force is illegal. Hamas meanwhile, has managed to smuggle in money from Egypt to keep their operations going.

Civil war, this is.

25 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 6:49:48 am reply quote

#11

I am interested in your claim. Can't we both agree that this is a case of the government far overstepping its bounds? Also, I'd like to hear more of why you think that. I can see where the judge is coming from, but all the same, it is a ludicrous decision.

26 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:50:07 am reply quote

As was pointed out on the last pork soup thread, an Orthodox Jew can't eat non-Kosher beef or chicken, either. So this isn't about Jews.

/Show me a Jew in a soup kitchen anywhere in the world...

27 Cognito  1/06/07 6:50:23 am reply quote

What the heck ever happened to "Beggars can not be choosers"?

No one should ever purposefully try to make someone transgress against his religion for a bowl of soup -- think Jacob and Esau -- but for heaven's sake: If people want to make pork soup and distribute it to hungry people, shouldn't the hungry people decide if they want it?

28 Killgore Trout  1/06/07 6:50:25 am reply quote

#14 shug
One of the quaint things about Parisian winos is that they actually still drink wine, unlike US winos who still prefer beer.

29 jooly  1/06/07 6:50:39 am reply quote
Both Islam and Judaism prohibit eating pork,

It was my understanding from an orthodox friend of mine, that a jew can eat nonkosher food in lieu of starving to death. However, I seriously doubt there are any kosher keeping jews eating at soup kitchens. If they did need charity, they take care of their own. God forbid that the muslims divert their charity funds from buying rockets to actually buying food for their poor. Would pork free soup be enough? Aren't there all sorts of other dietary restrictions a practicising muslim most follow? Seems like they are putting an awful burden on charities.

30 jwbaumann  1/06/07 6:50:56 am reply quote

By that logic, French wines are racist - another reason to boycott!

31 yah  1/06/07 6:51:15 am reply quote

Pork soup cannot be served to the poor because it might make certain groups angry - so there is a law against making people angry? So now the way is paved for ANYTHING that might make muslims angry banned in France. I wonder if the French will be willing to give up their wine?

32 The Monster  1/06/07 6:51:23 am reply quote

This is the same crap as the teacher who says you can't bring candy to class unless you bring enough for everyone and SHARE! Socialist bastards would rather have them all starve than have some eat and others not, which would be 'unfair'.

If you don't want the pork, don't eat the pork. Nobody is forcing you to do it.


#8 E2M

This ain't about Jews, froggie. Stop lying.

It's only about the poor Jews in France. There's got to be a couple of them anyway.

33 andreaSF  1/06/07 6:52:09 am reply quote

Seriously, I bet there are no Jews in France with no place to go for food. They just don't live and raise their children that way. It's all about the Islamists.

34 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:52:10 am reply quote

#25 Dr. Manhattan

I think the point is that these groups aren't nice people. They're essentially neo-Nazis. No contest on that point. Which has got absolutely nothing to do with the underlying principle.

35 Van Impe  1/06/07 6:52:18 am reply quote

#18

More nuttiness from Libya re: execution of Saddam:

In Libya, which canceled celebrations of the feast of Id al-Adha after the execution, a government statement said a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected, along with a monument to Omar al-Mukhtar, who resisted the Italian invasion of Libya and was hanged by the Italians in 1931.

NYT

36 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 6:54:23 am reply quote

#11

Charles headline sums it up quite succintly. What they are saying is, serving pork soup is discriminatory.

And for the sake of argument I'll concede the point, let's say it is racist. What about the hindus that can't eat any meat? Should all shelters serve vegetarian cuisine? If you agree with that, all meat is racist in the context of a shelter.

/worked in a shelter for months, this story disgusts me, the prejudice here is from the Koran, and not the shelter

37 JnT  1/06/07 6:54:45 am reply quote

F'n soup Nazis.

/just had to say it

38 Killgore Trout  1/06/07 6:56:08 am reply quote

#32 The Monster
The article says there are 600,000 Jews in all of France. let's suppose 100 of those are homeless. I'd guess only 20 of them live in Paris, maybe 5 in the vicinity of the pork soup shelter. I consider 5 possibly inconinienced Jews to be a very generous estimate.

39 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 6:56:09 am reply quote

#34

Exactly! I will speak up for freedom on behalf of ANY party, offensive or not. Personally I think these nationalists are playing games, but are they the only game in town?

The real question is: What muslim would go to Neo-Nazis for their soup and bread ANYWAY?

40 FredFryInternational  1/06/07 6:57:42 am reply quote

Let me guess, they will now sell the soup for a penny and have someone giving pennies away to the poor. Surely money isn't racist.

41 Mike C.  1/06/07 6:58:20 am reply quote

Comletely OT, but OK ! LGF is now accessible through my local ISP again. I have no idea what was (temporarilly) wrong this AM.

42 Kreuzueber Halbmond  1/06/07 6:58:38 am reply quote

Just tell them it's goat soup. If they are hungry, they won't know the difference.

43 captain b-1  1/06/07 6:58:53 am reply quote

But the judge said the group’s Web site indicated it was a policy to refuse dessert to anyone who did not eat some soup first.

Perhaps they should have offered cracklins for dessert.

44 samhein  1/06/07 6:59:00 am reply quote

These people have way too much free time. This is ridiculous.

But, I don't see any islamic groups opening up food kitchens to help.

The food is being GIVEN to you to keep you from starving you morons. Show some appreciation instead of being the cry baby-victim.

When I was down on funds, I had to eat what I could afford, and sometimes I didn't like it. Hell, I ate stale crackers (which were the pitts) and butter because that's what I had, and had no money for groceries. But it was food and better than nothing.

45 Terp Mole  1/06/07 6:59:19 am reply quote
Van Impe: More nuttiness from Libya re: execution of Saddam:
In Libya, which canceled celebrations of the feast of Id al-Adha after the execution, a government statement said a statue depicting Mr. Hussein in the gallows would be erected, along with a monument to Omar al-Mukhtar, who resisted the Italian invasion of Libya and was hanged by the Italians in 1931

Our Bulgarian NATO ally should be encouraged to erect a 3rd gallows statue of that rapist, torturer, hostage-taking terrorist POS.

/not holding breath

46 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 6:59:41 am reply quote

#39 Dr. Manhattan

Personally I think these nationalists are playing games, but are they the only game in town?

Indeed. This is a lot like the nominal ($250) "whites only" scholarships that are there to make a point. Let them make the point. The alternative is to go down the path of institutionalizing double standards. I don't want to go down that road.

47 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 7:00:22 am reply quote

This story pisses me off because all of the parties are acting badly, the ones protesting this soup (talk about a waste of time and money), the ones playing games by serving this soup, and the frog govt. for once again eroding individual liberty (by assuming no one wants it anyway). All around they are a bunch of dorks.

48 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:02:57 am reply quote

#47 Dr. Manhattan

Yep. Theatre of the absurd. There's not a single player in this drama acting in good faith.

49 marjoriemoon  1/06/07 7:03:24 am reply quote

#11 Paris

I take exception to Jews being mentioned in the article because we have a lot of specific rules in keeping Kosher. Not eating pork is just one of them. In fact, Jews who keep Kosher cannot eat beef that is not Kosher, either. There is also an issue of two sets of dishes and silverware (one for meat, one for dairy) so if the Judge was really interested in being sympathic to religious homeless Jews, we'd have many issues on the table.

Also Jews believe, in a life or death situation, you are allowed to eat non-Kosher foods.

Not being allowed dessert before eating the soup makes sense to me. I would imagine their mission is to get some good nutrition first before loading up on carbs. Not about some discriminatory practice concerning pork.

A good dead never goes unpunished.

50 rockman  1/06/07 7:04:47 am reply quote

I wish I had the recipe for racist pork soup.
I'd make some for dinner.

51 allah this  1/06/07 7:05:49 am reply quote

Merde.

52 realwest  1/06/07 7:06:05 am reply quote

#18 Terp Mole - I wonder if chucking a few Tomahawks through his tent complex would change his mind (again)? I think it's worth a try.

53 shug  1/06/07 7:06:48 am reply quote

Did anybody see Bo Deadle thump that St Paul Imam's ass last night on Cavuto?

oh man was it great.

He told the Imam that he and the somali cab drivers can either Love America or Get the Hell out

54 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:07:22 am reply quote

#49 marjoriemoon

Not being allowed dessert before eating the soup makes sense to me. I would imagine their mission is to get some good nutrition first before loading up on carbs. Not about some discriminatory practice concerning pork.

Considering the players involved, I don't think that's actually true - BUT - you have to assume that, because precidents are being established. This is a bad precident, ruling that because the parties are disingenuous, the principles are different than they would be if they were acting in good faith.

56 shug  1/06/07 7:08:53 am reply quote

55 frogmarch

another RDDB in the making

57 Elric66  1/06/07 7:09:03 am reply quote

Since when did Islam become a race anyway? I wasnt aware someone could convert to a different race.

58 eclectic infidel  1/06/07 7:10:34 am reply quote

#24 --

Just curious, do you think that our govt's funding of Abbas to the tune of $60+ million is a way to fuel a civil war against Hamas?

59 realwest  1/06/07 7:10:59 am reply quote

#57 Elric66 - absolutely spot on post!

60 Beagle  1/06/07 7:15:22 am reply quote

The only way the "far-right" groups will get favorable treatment is if they turn their neighborhoods into no-go zones, burn cars, and torch some bus passengers.

61 Mike C.  1/06/07 7:15:48 am reply quote

Yo, realwest. How's the mouth healing up, dude ?

Did you spot "Baldy"'s post this AM ?

62 Elric66  1/06/07 7:15:57 am reply quote
#59 realwest 1/6/2007 09:10AM PST

#57 Elric66 - absolutely spot on post!


Thanks. :-)

63 lawhawk  1/06/07 7:16:10 am reply quote

#58 eclectic infidel:

I do, but it's shortsighted to the extreme. Neither side should be getting money. If they want to fight, let them do it with their own resources. Because whoever is left is going to simply turn those weapons on Israel.

64 Killgore Trout  1/06/07 7:16:13 am reply quote

#50 rockman
i made a variation of this
French-Style Pork Stew earlier this week. The nutmeg is key and I added about a cup of red wine. Instead of flour based thickening I drained the liquid and made a reduction. Very tasy.

65 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:18:30 am reply quote

Can somebody photoshop a bowl of soup in white sheets?

66 varmint  1/06/07 7:19:29 am reply quote

Yet they have no problems with snails, frogs, or horse meat.

The old rule used to be; Soap, salvation, then soup. The homeless would have to get cleaned up, and listen to an hour of bible thumpin, before they got fed.

67 Dr. Manhattan  1/06/07 7:19:41 am reply quote

#58

I never thought about it that way. I am fairly sure that will be the result of the funds, at least to some extent.

If even 1% of that money goes to fighting Hamas, which I imagine it will, your analysis is right on.

/still not a good enough reason to give them jack shit! We have money issues of our own...

68 Elric66  1/06/07 7:20:59 am reply quote

Hamas says it will double its armed force

9 minutes ago

GAZA CITY (AFP) - The Palestinian ruling Hamas movement has said it will double the size of its armed force to 12,000 men, after president Mahmud Abbas called the troops illegal and demanded their integration into existing security structures.
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"The commanders of the (executive) force, with agreement from the interior minister, decided to raise the number of its members to 12,000," Islam Shahwan, the spokesman for the Hamas-led force, told AFP.

An official in Abbas's
Fatah party said the decision to up the number of Hamas troops was aimed at challenging the president.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]


Great News!

69 livinginfrance  1/06/07 7:21:05 am reply quote

You don't get dessert. That's so French.
Toi, t'es puni!

70 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:21:08 am reply quote

What does the koran say about shellfish? Is it prohibited like it is for Orthodox Jews? What if they serve escargot? Racist snails? Definitely some photoshop potential with racist snails.

71 shug  1/06/07 7:21:28 am reply quote
72 JammieWearingFool  1/06/07 7:21:52 am reply quote

sug,

I like Bo Dietl. He's been in a number of movies, including one of my favorites, Goodfellas.

"Bye bye, dickhead"

73 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:23:21 am reply quote

Hmm....what desserts are harram? I'm sure the French have all kinds of desserts made with lard.

74 marjoriemoon  1/06/07 7:23:56 am reply quote

#54 Earth:

I'm not sure I understand you. I don't know much about the SDF, a "far-right group". In the previous post last Wed, folks have described them as neo-nazis and anti-semites. But despite the fact that the French haven't been good to the Jews in the past, has this soup kitchen actually turned away Jews? Or anyone based on religion? I didn't see that at all. So I don't see where principles, as in who they feed or what they serve, has any bearing. Or maybe I'm missing your point.

Solidarity of the French was just one of several far-fight groups that began distributing pork soup across France over the last four years.

I'd like to hear more from the other groups, too. Has this ruling been made for all? or just the SDF?

75 Elric66  1/06/07 7:24:09 am reply quote
#73 Earth2moonbat 1/6/2007 09:23AM PST

Hmm....what desserts are harram? I'm sure the French have all kinds of desserts made with lard.

Its only the beginning. Trust me.

76 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:24:21 am reply quote

#71 shug

Ok. Racist mutton. You're getting closer.......

77 samhein  1/06/07 7:24:46 am reply quote

#22 Bubbaman

I do have to agree with proper road marking or naming. I myself ran into problems with the same road having 3 different names. Not one road turning into 3 different roads, but, depending on who you talked to or the map you went by, was what the one road was called.

I got totally lost one time, looking for an address I was given. I could not find the road anywhere. Come to find out, when I stopped to ask, I passed it about half a dozen times, only the road sign had a different name than what I was given.

I found out that this particular road was called one thing by the locals, another by the city, and yet another by some of the older locals, who still referred to it by the old name. I was given the "old local" name. When I found it on the map later on, it has yet a different name (although a version of the city's name for it).

Down the road from me (and I'm in the boonies...), there is a little road that is not necessarially closed during the winter, but is not plowed if it snows either, as it is a cut through to another road and no one lives on it. There has always been a simple sign on both ends, placed by the town, stating that it is a seasonal road and not plowed.

78 flamingtoad  1/06/07 7:26:22 am reply quote

#39 seems to me that there could be a significant number of muslims that might be found hanging around with neo-nazis...its not like there isn't any history of cooperation between arab muslims and nazis.

79 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:26:23 am reply quote

#75 Elric66

That thought just dawned on me, too. All they have to do now is serve some subtly harram soup (pork soup was too blatent), with pie with lard crust. They can tie the courts up for years playing these games.

80 marjoriemoon  1/06/07 7:27:32 am reply quote

#70 Earth

What does the koran say about shellfish?

We were chatting about this in the lounge the other day. Someone mentioned that the dietary laws for Muslims and Jews are similar, but not the same. I'm very curious on differences if anyone knows. Lest I be forced to look it up myself :)

81 phoenixgirl  1/06/07 7:28:02 am reply quote

food is food. If your hungry, you'll eat. Pork, the racist white meat.

82 Geepers  1/06/07 7:28:07 am reply quote

So isn't only giving away soup to poor people pretty discriminatory?

Even rich people have to eat. The French should do away with charity.

83 realwest  1/06/07 7:28:18 am reply quote

#61 Mike C. - Hi Mike! No I didn't see his post - you mean on the Dead Thread?
And mouth isn't much better, there's a LOT of work to be done, unfortunately.

84 Elric66  1/06/07 7:29:07 am reply quote
#79 Earth2moonbat 1/6/2007 09:26AM PST

#75 Elric66

That thought just dawned on me, too. All they have to do now is serve some subtly harram soup (pork soup was too blatent), with pie with lard crust. They can tie the courts up for years playing these games.


They can even go as far as getting pork banned in restraunts saying the sight and odor offends them and its done to keep them out. They can play this game for years and win with judges like him.

85 amir  1/06/07 7:29:19 am reply quote

It is my understanding that Muslims can eat shell fish.

86 phoenixgirl  1/06/07 7:29:32 am reply quote

#6 humanity

not all Hindus are vegetarian. And then the vegetarians are in different degrees.

87 rtheyserius  1/06/07 7:32:09 am reply quote

If you're giving away food for free, you should be free to choose the food.

If Jews or Muslims or anyone else prefer not to eat the food, that is their choice.

This is clearly a case of the French Council of State caving in to a standing threat of domestic Muslim violence which represents the true threat to "public order."

The greater the appeasement, the greater the price.

88 Bobblehead  1/06/07 7:33:13 am reply quote

#64 Killgore Trout

Thanks for the link..I was just making my shopping list. The spouse will love .

89 mich-again  1/06/07 7:33:47 am reply quote

Thousands of Peugeots torched in the streets and mobs of yutes attacking police and emergency workers, and yet the French are concerned that hambone soup will spark violence. jeesh. What shitty little people.

90 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:33:54 am reply quote

#74 marjoriemoon

What I'm saying is in agreement with you. I'm just trying to be clear that on principle, they should be allowed to do this, despite who their and what their agenda is.

As I said in #46, this is similar to the "whites only" scholarships being offered in the US by some groups. They're nominal in value (IIRC $250), and there to make a point. And the best way to respond is to not respond at all. The alternative is to either repudiate all race-specific scholarships, or to accept and institutionalize a double standard.

Once you start to accept double standards into law, because you think you're on the winning end of them, don't be surprised if that comes around and back into your face later.

91 samhein  1/06/07 7:34:02 am reply quote

#53 shug

I saw that. He also talked about the availability of alcohol on his visits to Saudi Arabia, which went totally ignored.

92 marjoriemoon  1/06/07 7:35:22 am reply quote

The Wiki has a comparative of Jewish and Muslim dietary laws. I'm still reading through.

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

93 Colt  1/06/07 7:35:30 am reply quote
The French far right is not just anti-Muslim, it’s virulently antisemitic as well.

That seems to be changing, at least at the top.

Jean Marie le Pen is reaching out to the 'youths', in part by meeting with Jew-haters like Dieudonné:

That discussion may depend on how Le Pen reads the electoral intentions of first-time voters, who rushed to register in the last week of December, according to the Interior Ministry. The rush was strongest in some suburbs, where registrations are up 20 to 25 percent since the last presidential election, and where young people overwhelmingly oppose Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy, the leading candidate of the center-right.
Sarkozy's hard line on rioters in the suburbs infuriated youth of North African and black African descent during the November 2005 disturbances; he has since waged a campaign to deport illegal immigrants.

Leftists who sponsored the get-out- the-vote campaign expect anti- Sarkozy sentiment in the suburbs to benefit Ségolène Royal, the Socialist candidate for president. But the situation is volatile.

Le Pen was endorsed recently by Ahmed Moualek, who runs a rabidly anti-Semitic, pro-Dieudonné Web site called "La Banlieue s'exprime" ("The Suburbs Speak"). The day after Dieudonné went to the National Front festival, the site got 40,000 hits, 10 times the norm. The site, like others, is campaigning against Sarkozy, making much of the fact that he is one-quarter Jewish.

Here's another recent example. No Pasaran! comments:

Traditional French Jew hatred, as expressed by the Front National, has found a ready and willing audience among suburban French youth who are hopped up on a second generation, Intifada fueled Jew hatred. A marriage made in French anti-Semite heaven.

94 ec marm  1/06/07 7:37:38 am reply quote

#65 Earth2moonbat

Can somebody photoshop a bowl of soup in white sheets?

I'm thinking a miniture klansman standing on the rim, stirring the soap. Gimme a few minutes...

95 Geepers  1/06/07 7:38:25 am reply quote
Reid's action was surprising ``because a week ago Senator Reid was quoted as saying he would support a surge if there was some plan for withdrawal,'' said Senator John McCain, an Arizona Republican, in an interview on ``Political Capital with Al Hunt'' to air this weekend on Bloomberg Television. ``This is sort of a 180 in a very short period of time.''

Reid told reporters he changed his mind after learning that U.S. commanders on the ground didn't think a surge would work.

Harry Reid himself admits he makes declarative public statements about policy despite his complete ignorance of the subject.

And the best Senator McCain can do is claim he "sort of" did a 180?

Why John McCain will never be President.

96 Airedale  1/06/07 7:39:21 am reply quote

France is a rudderless ship destined to have their last drink on the rocks

97 Beagle  1/06/07 7:40:25 am reply quote

What they're calling "far-right" these days are more like hippies making abstract statements. The government comes down on them for - charity - while they say you can't have your dessert if you don't eat your pork.

Step back from this for a moment. Ignore the obvious heavy-handed media bias. Now ask yourself who is the real fascist? One, the government cracking down on charity? Two, the "far-right" making a statement with traditional French food?

This is the problem with labeling instead of thinking. The government is going far beyond any reasonable limit of government power, and hurting poor people while doing it. But we're supposed to care that some feelings might be hurt through free food. It's nuts.

98 realwest  1/06/07 7:40:35 am reply quote

#61 Mike C. - finally found his post myself. Did he post anything anywhere else? I mean LGF Search is not
infallible. I sent him an e-mail but wish I could do more.

99 Mike C.  1/06/07 7:40:47 am reply quote

# 83 realwest

Yes, he posted on the early dead thread, for the first time in ages. He's not having a good time of things, unfortunately.

100 Earth2moonbat  1/06/07 7:40:53 am reply quote

#92 marjoriemoon

Kashrut states that kosher aquatic animals must have scales and fins. The most prevalent consensus among Muslim scholars is that in order to be dhabiĥa halal, the fish must have scales (nothing is said about fins)

Maybe my coffee hasn't hit yet, but are there any aquatic animals that have scales and no fins? I suppose that gets into what a "scale" is.

101 CanadianBacon  1/06/07 7:41:38 am reply quote

From the Fwench national newspaper classified ads:

"For sale, Fwench assault rifles. Never fired, only dropped once. Complete with cleaning kit, Fwench/Arabic instruction manual, and rifle range (formerly known as Paris). An excellent bargain, yours for the taking."

/I live to see the day.

102 westoner  1/06/07 7:41:57 am reply quote

The authorities, being the cowards they are, are simply following the path of least resistance. In the ever increasing conflict between your freedoms and the “islamic rights” of muslims, guess which one the authorities are going to trade away for a quiet life?

Authorities must be made to fear their non-muslim populations more than their muslim populations, if we want to preserve our liberties that is.

103 NoSubmission  1/06/07 7:42:31 am reply quote

Sounds like France is in desperate need of some Friday Night Pig Races.

104 Mike C.  1/06/07 7:43:23 am reply quote

# 98 realwest

No, just that solitary post, so far as I know. I think littleoldlady and myself were the only ones on who even knew who he was. Sad.

105 Chuck Pelto  1/06/07 7:43:53 am reply quote

TO: Charles Johnson, et al
RE: This....

....is on a par with the Fairfax County, Virginia, decision that you can't give home-baked cookies to the homeless.

I thought that things could not get wackier, but I'm always proven wrong.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. -- George Bernard Shaw]

106 Elric66  1/06/07 7:45:14 am reply quote