Good. Take the mask off. You're uglier that way.

Misery loves company.

Yup, comic boy boy in his mom's basement has all the answers once again, tell us all how it shoul work .

Does anyone care about what the cretins at Kos say? I don't anymore. Kos is sooo 2004.

Speaking of those who wants us to lose in Iraq:

A ban on victory.

The NY Times is the enemy.

I question their patriotism.

"You, the military, are the servants of the people. That is what you signed up for. We send you to war and we bring you home. We tell you when to wake up and when to go to bed. If you do not like that, GET OUT. But, that is the life you chose."

WRONG, THUMBDICK!

"I, ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Markie needs a clue-clobberin' desperately!

You, the military, are the servants of the people. That is what you signed up for. We send you to war and we bring you home. We tell you when to wake up and when to go to bed. If you do not like that, GET OUT. But, that is the life you chose.

Well. That's interesting. And here I'd been thinking the poor saps in the military were victims of an imperial administration.

Which is it? Servants? Or victims?

Fine. Fine. Just live in your pretty little world with no military to protect you. After all, mankind is inherently good and it's just the influence of the evil right wing conspiracy that makes those poor muslims strap on the bombs and splodey themselves. So when the mercinary minions of the Hitlerburton empire are all gone, it will be Kumbayah for everyone.

Just keep telling yourselves that.

They do seem to forget the difference between a democracy and a Democratic Republic, now don't they?

Yeah,yeah, "Stop the War". try getting that point accross to the hordes looing to kill you,m'kay?

So, folks are chicken hawks if we don't serve in the military, but the moment you're in the military, you must listen to the civilian population because they know better.

If I didn't know better, I'd say that the left are afflicted with cognitive dissonance, a touch of bipolar, and quite a bit of schizophrenia.

#6 3 wood

Patriotism? Patriotism?

These pople despise the United States and everything it stands for. Kos and his Leftist devils are the purest distillation of anti-Americanism, and if left unchecked the hard Left will bring down America far more quickly than Muslims ever could (Islamism is a symptom of Leftism).

#7 Gunsniper

Exactly. And what these clueless twits don't get is that a lot of us who took that oath never 'untook' it. We still consider it to be in effect. And I consider them to be domestic enemies, period.

#12 lawhawk

So, folks are chicken hawks if we don't serve in the military, but the moment you're in the military, you must listen to the civilian population because they know better.

But parents shouldn't tell the experts in the educational system how to do their jobs...

The only way to get people to go was to pay them a lot more - the definition of a mercenary.

Um, no. A mercenary is someone who,

1) Fights solely for money, not the sake of his or her country, and typically,

2) Fights for a foreign military.

Be a maroon if you must, Kos person. But don't start assigning new definitions to words.

Hey, Kos. Skippy has something to say to ya'll.

You know I could have gone at least one day without reading something like this. Welcome to the "New Normal"
I am not going to get mad I am just going to feel pity for those who have never had anything in life valuable enough to die for. Without having something you are willing to give your life for you have nothing worth living for.

Quite apart from this individual's lack of understanding of the role of the military, he clearly never got past First Grade English. I get the impression he's trying to write in English, but I'm finding it difficult to understand, though English is my mother tongue.

For example, if someone could explain what he's trying to say in the following sentence, I would be grateful.

This, of course, is a point I have brought up many times and the Milblogs when crazy then.

#7 Gunsniper

all enemies, foreign and domestic

Now I wonder who that "domestic" part could refer to?

So Arkin is saying it is OK for me to criticize you, but it is not OK for you to criticize me. Sounds like a typical bully.

This, of course, is a point I have brought up many times and the Milblogs when [sic] crazy then.

People should listen to the freak who couldn't even put together this minimally literate sentence because...?

19 Deb,

Not that it brings anything resembling sense to the situation, but I think he or she meant "went" instead of "when."

But a typo is a splinter in the finger, compared to the baseball bat this person has swung in the face of common sense.

#14 Killer Tomato

Exactly. And what these clueless twits don't get is that a lot of us who took that oath never 'untook' it. We still consider it to be in effect.

Amen brother!

Arkin called our Military a mercenary force. Well, guess what, it is!

Yeah, I remember the big bucks I was making back in '91 as a 19K (M1 Tanker). I'm still spending money I made back then.

(The statement above is 100% true if you replace spending with paying-off and money with debt. I made a whopping $600 a month!)

The good news: when Shrillary takes office in 2009, I can resign from all formal service.

/drive-through comment

Wolverines!

From the komments...

But the fetish around "our troops" is a recruiting tool for an all volunteer army, nothing more. If you can't pay "our troops" enough, than you can weave some sort of bogus untouchable social status around them.
...
Put a draft back in and you'll have both conservatives and "reality based liberals" speaking of "our troops" in exactly the way people in most highly stratfied, oligarchic societies do.

They really are demented.

I heard Mike Gallagher interview this geek Arkin.
The guy is nothing short of a traitor - plain and simple; and a lying one at that. He tried several times to backpedal about what he wrote but Gallagher wouldn't let him.

The man needs to be ostracized.
NBC and the Washington Post SHOULD FIRE HIM immediately.

Til then, I personally will refuse to use their services, and will not support their advertisers.

Gallaghers interview can be heard over at Town Hall.

OK, I am confused. The Left says that non-veterans have no right to support the war, since their lack of service is a sign of their hypocrisy. How then do they justify their criticism of the military, since they haven't served (with some exceptions) and lack the courage of their convictions and refuse to fight against the forces of the US.

#14 Killer Tomato

Exactly. And what these clueless twits don't get is that a lot of us who took that oath never 'untook' it. We still consider it to be in effect.

I second that Amen.

I think we should all listen carefully to Arkin, because he is a war hero himself, a professor of military history, a 4-Star General and an Admiral, too.

I will offer my services to the Washington Compost to act as a counterweight. Especially in keeping with the spirit of the "Fairness Doctrine".
/

#24 Just_A_Grunt

Sister.

"I, ___, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God."

Nope, nothing about "slaves of the people" in that oath.

#21 yah

If you ask me it is typical leftie free speech thinking. Remember the dixie chicks? They said thier first amendment rights were violated, yet they said what they wanted and then got pissed when they had to face the consequences. Same thing with comrade Arkin, He said his peice now he doesn't want to live with the consequences! Remember free speech is not always free!

#17 MandyManners

That scared the hell out of me... Good thing I had set the coffee down, or I would have spilled it all over my keyboard...

On the use of the term "mercenary" If you take money for anything you do you are a mercenary. So it the broad sense it's a meaningless term.

The point about calling troops mercenaries is that it is simply another way to say that they don't believe in the mission they are just in the service for the big bucks they get.

Hey, don't be so hard on Kos. He's right. I know for a fact that the only reason my son joined up was to get Tri-Care.

RE # 13:
These people despise the United States and everything it stands for.

No, these people Love their idea of the United States. They despise what the United States really is. They think that All Men Are CREATED Equal means All Men are MADE TO BE Equal. They think that Freedom of Speech only applies to them.

This same koskid has a few good anti-troop diaries...
10 Steps To Fix The United States' Militaristic Policies

...the soldiers of this Country are far removed from society. They believe they are better than the average citizenry and they do not understand the Country they are defending. They even live in conclaves called "forts" which serve absolutely no purpose anymore (A holdover from outposts fighting Native Americans?). We do not have an "All Volunteer Force", rather we currently pay pretty handsomely for their services. It currently is far more mercenary than it is "citizen soldier".

Unfourtunately, these ideas are far too common on the Left. It's just plain sad.

35 Deadbackpacker

Remember free speech is not always free!

The lefties believe EVERYTHING should be free for them.

#19 Deb

For example, if someone could explain what he's trying to say in the following sentence, I would be grateful.

This, of course, is a point I have brought up many times and the Milblogs when crazy then.

Well, I take that to mean that he tried to bring the point up when off meds.

36 christheprofessor

Awww. Don't be scared of Skippy. He's a sweetie-pie.

#40 Killgore

We do not have an "All Volunteer Force", rather we currently pay pretty handsomely for their services

I think what they are saying is that soldiers should be paid in bushels of wheat, with an occasional chicken thrown in.

On the other hand, I often hear the left's lament that our soldiers have to struggle along on food stamps. It's hard for me to keep up.

mer'ce-nar'y: 1. working or acting merely for money or material reward. [I'd like to know how the Kos-sters are able to read the minds of our military in order to determine that they are doing just that.] 2. a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army. [Serving in the U.S. military is somehow serving in a foreign army? If anyone can explain this to me, please draw me a map.]

/some people just need to grow a brain.

From TFA:

Arkin dared to cross the line and say that the Military is out of line when it criticizes the American Public for being against the war

This is a slippery piece of work.

If, in fact, the military had criticized the American Public for being against the war, well then it would in fact be out of line.

But the author assumes
1) "the military" has said anything
2) the American Public is against the war
3) criticism is directed at the Public for its supposed "against the war" stance.

1. "the military" hasn't said anything about this, and won't. Some members of the military (who are citizens, and retain their First Amendment rights, as circumscribed by the UCMJ) have criticized Arkin. At this point, Arkin should be counting his blessings. General Petraeus and others, on the other hand, have been REQUIRED by Congress to state their opinions as a matter of public record. At that point, nothing they say is out of line, and at any rate, anything uttered on the floors on Congress is off-limits. Look it up.

2. The American Public is not against the war. Some are against winning it (Ds), and some are against losing it (Rs), so lots of Americans are unhappy about the up and down fortunes. But America is not against this war.

3. There is little criticism of those whose position is that they are against the war. I know a few folks who are "against the war". Some of them are in the military. This is the slipperiest part of this nonsense. What Arkin and his cohorts are criticized for is not "being against the war", but sedition. There is a great difference. The concept of "loyal opposition" is no longer to be found on the left. If the left in general were willing to carp about the war and "be against it" while simultaneously allowing that any time their country is in a war, we should win it, then there would be a lot less criticism.

The problem is that Arkin and his host of DailyKos sisters are not "against the war". They are rooting for America to lose. And frankly, we could do with a bit more criticism of that position.

#43 Mandy

LOL! HA!

So when the Dems bring back the draft, are they going to cut the pay?

46 haakon,

Yes to all that. Great post.

#43 MandyManners

My speakers were up high -- wasn't expecting the sound... I'll try not to be a-skeered of Skippy in the future... ;)

Um, it looks to me like this is a moonbat diarist and not Kos himself. Naturally, it's brought all the nuts out in the comments.

"Milblog?" That's just so lame.

To repeat my post on today's Dead Thread about
"To get people to fight this war we have had to add all sorts of additional benefits, bonuses, insurance etc. The only way to get people to go was to pay them a lot more - the definition of a mercenary" -

"No, we don't. We could do what that great Democrat, Charles Rangel has suggested and have a draft! C'mon kidz, if we all try real hard, maybe we can stage this war!" (very vauge reference to the "lil rascals" show).

It is well known fact that mercenaries do not join the military for the money. They do because they love killing people.

I wish somebody..anybody..would catch this arrogant little prick on the street and administer a good dose of street justice to his sorry ass. I'll admit I don't pray much but I am going to make this a priority in his case.

#46 haakondahl -Hawk, another great post! Thanks.

47 mama winger

:-)

Skippy's feline Carl the Cat sends you an early Valentine Day's note.

Basic pay for an E-1 with less than 4 months of active duty is $1,203.90.

Well hell, if you're living in Mom's basement and collecting an allowance, I guess that IS a small fortune.
2007 Military Pay Tables

We do not have an "All Volunteer Force", rather we currently pay pretty handsomely for their services.

Of course we have an all volunteer force -- no one is conscripted to serve. Volunteering = choosing to act. The fact that those serving are monetarily compensated does not change this fact. To suggest otherwise is high-level sophistry (or unmitigated ignorance.)

This, of course, is a point I have brought up many times and the Milblogs when crazy then. You, the military, are the servants of the people. That is what you signed up for. We send you to war and we bring you home. We tell you when to wake up and when to go to bed. If you do not like that, GET OUT. But, that is the life you chose.

The left is trying to play it both ways again. Here it is stated that the military forces are mindless robots, but when they just 'follow orders', the left freaks out. So which is it? You want robots or citizen soldiers with a brain?

50 christheprofessor

Skippy apologizes.

"For it has been said so truthfully that

it is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us the freedom of the press.

It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom of speech.

It is the soldier, not the agitator, who has given us the freedom to protest.

It is the soldier who salutes the flag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, who gives that protester the freedom to abuse and burn that flag".

FORMER SENATOR ZELL MILLER (D) GA
RNC CONVENTION, 2004

#56 Mandy

Oooo! Fish-net tank top! I likey :)

#7 Gunsniper
Let's see how long it'll take for me to get banned by Kos...

58 StinkHammer 2/4/2007 08:39AM PST

We do not have an "All Volunteer Force", rather we currently pay pretty handsomely for their services.

Mr. Arkin, So would you be happier if we did not pay them?
Would that satisfy you?

#61 RobCon

I love that quote. Just love it.

#57 Killer Tomato,

Damn--you're right. 1200 bucks for a Pvt is crazy.

#40 Killgore Trout

I have to give you credit KT, you have more guts than I, to venture into to La-La Land and look at what these idiots are saying. Do you shower frequently? I guess I'm a lock-step neo-con cause I am no longer interested in what the other "side" says (only interested in what the elected dems say and do). But I'm glad others keep tabs on the inmates at the various insane asylums.

#46 haakondahl

Well put.

I think what the left forgets sometimes is words have meaning. If it requires any more words than would fit on a bumper sticker, they're lost.

#63 Macker

Go Macker!

#46 haakondahl

2. The American Public is not against the war. Some are against winning it (Ds), and some are against losing it (Rs), so lots of Americans are unhappy about the up and down fortunes. But America is not against this war.

That's a point that the MSM ignores. I have this discussion with the LLL all the time and they just can't understand that of the 60% who dissapprove of Bush's handling of the war not all of those people are ant-war. Some of them actually want to win.

#60 MandyManners

HA! Thanks, I feel better now...

#67 TimeQuake
It doesn't bother me much. I live amongst moonbats and debate them in the meat world all the time. My Dkos reading is just prep work for real world debates.

#40 Killgore Trout - Hah, and you thought Charles wouldn't catch your comment on the Dead Thread about this!
Again, thanks to you for going over there and finding this, um, whattocallit, expression of political
feelings (no I won't dignify it by calling it "thinking").

I'm getting whiplash from this sudden (at least, sudden from my perspective) reversal in how the left thinks about the majority of us who don't do military service.

For decades now, the dominant trope has been the "chickenhawk": if you haven't served, then how dare you voice an opinion about military action of any kind!

Apparently overnight, in the eyes of the left, the non-serving citizenry have morphed from a group whose proper decorum is meekness and silent humility, into a bunch of angry badasses who are entitled to voice opinions about military action whenever they damn well please, and woe be to anyone who dares try to "shut them up" (i.e., disagree with them).

I know, the main difference in the two memes lies in whether the military action in question is being advocated or opposed. But, each one characterizes the same segment of the population. So, which is it?! My head is spinning...

From notanamerican at dailykos:

Put a draft back in and you'll have both conservatives and "reality based liberals" speaking of "our troops" in exactly the way people in most highly stratfied, oligarchic societies do

I gotta look that one up.

#57 Killer Tomato

Well hell, if you're living in Mom's basement and collecting an allowance, I guess that IS a small fortune.

Hey! I don't give him an allowance anymore. He has to take the garbage out just because. :)

Besides, he does need beer money. LOL!

But I thought they supported the troops, not the mission? What's going on here?

Never bought that "support the troops, not the mission". That's like saying you are going to cheer for the Colts today but you don't want them to be in the Super Bowl.

If the Dems were on the coaching staff of the Indy Colts they sure wouldn't be in the Super Bowl today. They would have "redeployed" in about half of their games this year at halftime.
/I knew I could work that in somehow.

#44 mama winger

I think what they are saying is that soldiers should be paid in bushels of wheat, with an occasional chicken thrown in.

That would only work if we still allowed them to rape, pillage and wear horned helmets.

I think this would the best way to deal with the Kos Kidz

#78 Just a Grunt

Beat you to the super bowl reference!

#79 Killgore Trout

That would only work if we still allowed them to rape, pillage and wear horned helmets.

According to the Left, they do. (except the part about the horned helmets)

#78 Just_A_Grunt
Not only that...they'd have redeployed the Colts back to Baltimore.
GO BEARS!

What exactly to they "owe" a bunch of pseudo-intellectual, spoiled little rich kids pretending to be radicals?

A damn good kicking, perhaps.

Oligarchy (Greek Ὀλιγαρχί& #945;, Oligarkhía) is a form of government where political power effectively rests with a small, elite segment of society (whether distinguished by wealth, family or military prowess). The word oligarchy is from the Greek words for "few" (ὀλίγον óligon) and "rule" (ἄρχω arkho).
notanamerican is really not an American

#79 Killgore

That would only work if we still allowed them to rape, pillage and wear horned helmets.

But of course you know that they are doing that already. At least the raping and pillaging part. Sheesh. Keep up, will ya?

LGF pulled the mask of Daily Kos a long time ago, they never supported the troops and never will.

Kos Kids would be wise to remember, alot of us soldiers that they attack behind their computers are trained killers who excell in explosives, heavy and light weapons and hand-to-hand combat.

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

Hell less then 1% of Americans have worn the uniform of their country so it ain't no big deal for those that do wear the uniform to listen to those that haven't. It is just a statisical fact. That being said that doesn't mean either side has any type of "moral high ground" in making their arguments. In fact in most cases I don't weigh a persons military service or lack of into what they say. What I do take exception to, like what has sparked all of this debate, is when one side or the other tries to say that those who do serve in the Armed Services should have their opinions or views dimished because they chose that life. I think what is fueling a lot of the vitriol from the left is the fact taht we place members of the military on a slightly higher pedestal then the wacademics in this country of which so many of them claim membership in. What I call Professional Students. They move from being students to professors and have never experienced life outside of an academic setting and quite frankly are scared to death to try.

#72 Killgore Trout

Well, you keep it up. It must be like those wonderful people who work for Hospice, it's a "calling".

#14 Killer Tomato

Exactly. And what these clueless twits don't get is that a lot of us who took that oath never 'untook' it. We still consider it to be in effect.

Yep

#25 ArcherB Hah! 13 years ealier I was making more money than I had ever seen - As a FNG Lt on flight status, I was making the princely sum of... $666.00 per month (nice numbers, hunh?

Mcgyver, out

Go Bears!

88 Just a Grunt,

An excellent post.

People are on a roll today.

We send you to war and we bring you home.

Note: Women without service-age children may not offer an opinion about war--B. Boxer

The military’s place is to do the bidding of the United States citizenry...

Sounds very much like the Clinton's philosophy, where military officers were considered stewards at White House events.

Kos' twisted distortions of the language are enough to make me embarrassed for him. Perhaps he needs to read this, and see if it rings a bell:
soph·ist·ry
1.a subtle, tricky, superficially plausible, but generally fallacious method of reasoning.
2.a false argument; sophism.

#88 Just_A_Grunt 2/4/2007 08:56AM PST

They move from being students to professors and have never experienced life outside of an academic setting and quite frankly are scared to death to try.

I can state from experience that you are correct. The other characteristic of these people is that they look down on those outside of academia and have contempt for those in the military.

I have seen it in large and small schools, both on the east and west coast.

#83 Macker

/chirping

Chirping indeed. Koskidz cower when confronted by someone who actually served. Well done.

#87 Maximu§

alot of us soldiers that they attack behind their computers are trained killers who excell in explosives, heavy and light weapons and hand-to-hand combat.

Oh well sure. But they're smart, dontcha know. Hell, they could probably talk you to death...

heh

This has become my standard response to those whom I converse with, who claim to want to support our troops by bringing them home. They are always 'concerned about the troops'. They will inevitably say something like "5 more troops were killed yesterday in Iraq - we have to bring them home now!"

So my response has become, "I can see you are concerned for those killed in Iraq. Where were they from? Do you know how old they were, or their names? Did they have children? What kind of mission were they on? Was it successful? What were they doing when they died? How long had they been in the service? Why did they join?"

I always get silence. They know nothing about these men. The thing is it is so easy to find most of the information on the web, anyone truly concerned could do it.

They use the numbers as a tool. They could care less for the person. It's all a ruse.

Oh and no offense meant to christheprofessor. In case you are lurking and to others who are in the teaching profession.
/except goddessof theclassroom who is always correcting my Engrish

#88 Juat-A-Grunt

Dan Aykroyd to Bill Murray in Ghostbusters, just after they've been fired from the university..."you've never had to work in the private sector, they expect RESULTS". LOL

88 Just_A_Grunt

What I call Professional Students. They move from being students to professors and have never experienced life outside of an academic setting and quite frankly are scared to death to try.

They live in a pretend world, protected by our military, and funded by people who actually produce something.
They have nothing to fear as long as they stay in their pretend world.

#88 Just_A_Grunt

Well put, everyone listen. This statement proves that not all 11B's are Dumb. Most of em, but not all.

KillerTomato, I don't even think these punks are smart or they would'nt take a position like that.

#4

Does anyone care about what the cretins at Kos say? I don't anymore. Kos is sooo 2004.

Indeed. I want Hillary and the democrats to feel comfortable with the KOS and his jackass statements.
Please! Democrat Party! Use KOS - he can help you!

I've ventured into the strange world of Daily Kos on a few occasions, to see what makes these people tick. Each time I do I feel like I'm in that sequence in "Apocalypse Now" when Martin Sheen goes upriver in search of the infamous, insane Colonel Kurtz (played by the infamous, insane Marlon Brando). Surreal. Totally surreal.

Kos envisions himself as a kind of Colonel Kurtz, fighting his imagined savagery of the West with the real savagery of his unkempt, teeming tribe of real savages. His initiating posts are posed like commandments to his followers. It's truly insane.

The horror. The horror.

#101 Maximus
Oh now you dun made me go and *blush*
Listen folks take care I need to go do some family things. Y'all don't let this kind of nonsense get ya down. Stay in the fight and I 'll see y'all later.

#101 Maximu§

KillerTomato, I don't even think these punks are smart or they would'nt take a position like that.

Sorry - I forgot the sarc tag. To quote Bugs, they're a bunch of "maroons".

#97 mama
DING, DING, DING!

You can't comment on military matters unless you are in the military. Otherwise, you are a chickenhawk.

But if you're in the military, you don't have an opinion.

So who exactly is allowed to comment on the military and their mission?

Again with the "Mercenaries!" screed...

I prefer to think of our volunteer military as professional specialists who do a critical job in the maintenance of a civilized society; like cops, firefighters, heart surgeons and teachers (but not their NEA overlords).

Would a-holes like these Kos Kidz congregate around a massive fire and criticize the firefighters with bullhorns and placards? Probably, if they could be enticed out of their surburban basements with the promise of media coverage.

Spoiled, pampered children of all ages throwing a simultaneous hissy-fit for the past 6 years... that's all I think of the anti-war crowd.

Well, I'm off. Got a million things to do before the pre-pre-pre-game, and the pre-pre-game, and the pre-game and the game and the post-game and the post-post-game and...

I forgot to mention one more thing I find charmingly delusional at Daily Kos, the little "liberal scriptures" that each poster appends to his/her/its post. These little gems apparently are meant to either deliver a message of timeless liberal wisdom, or perhaps even to capture the very philosophical essence of the poster.

Like what? Well, like the following:

"The sunshine bores the daylights out of me" --Keith Richards

Perfect.

More typical liberal spew. They never ever let the fact and reality ever get in the way of their hate filled verbal onanism.

the Military serve the commander in chief and the US Constitution.

Same for all these phone baloney politician. They serve the Constitution, although most of them hardly act like they do.

Interesting, all this time they claim to support the troops and in one felled swoop, they just blew up that blatant lie. They hate the military, they hate anything that is remotely connected to the military and the very fact that the twit living in Dad's basement just called our volunteer military mercenaries, just said it all. they wouldn't have the guts to serve, they are far too cowardly to ever serve.

A Pox on you and your house, and your family Markos. May your toxic gene pool be wiped from this earth.

Jack Burton (#106),

You can't comment on military matters unless you are in the military. Otherwise, you are a chickenhawk.

Unless: You're a veteran against the war.

You're the mother of a soldier, then you have unquestionable moral authority.

But if you're in the military, you don't have an opinion.

Unless:

You are in the military and have an opposing view. (This one is really biting the "we need more troops" crowd right now.)

So who exactly is allowed to comment on the military and their mission?

Well, anyone that agrees with them.

#106 Jack Burton 2/4/2007 09:09AM PST
You can't comment on military matters unless you are in the military. Otherwise, you are a chickenhawk.

But if you're in the military, you don't have an opinion.

So who exactly is allowed to comment on the military and their mission?

Why, anti-war liberals, of course. How convenient.

Clearly, we have a big problem here.

It requires an appropriate solution.

This is reassuring:

Russert displayed a two-part graphic of Obama's 2002 statement, which concluded with the words:

"I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars."

This guy has foreign policy down.

From Semper Gratus!, this video shows how they support the troops
Semper Gratus!

#114 Geepers, I actually agree with that sentiment! Of course I define a dumb war as one we are not committed to win. The battle for Iraq, and the War on Terror is quickly becoming a dumb war.

#103 THX-42

Kos envisions himself as a kind of Colonel Kurtz, fighting his imagined savagery of the West with the real savagery of his unkempt, teeming tribe of real savages.

Wow -- what a beautifully apt simile. Hats off.

/will appropriate for future use

#46

The concept of "loyal opposition" is no longer to be found on the left.

Which is what makes them so completely useless.

from the article:

The military’s place is to do the bidding of the United States citizenry

No, the military's bidding is that of our Commander in Chief that we voted to put in regardless if some do not like him/her. PERIOD.

Stupid Congress trying to muddy the constitution for their political needs. Unfortunately a majority of liberals are too stupid to have paid attention in civics class and know what the constitution says.

Look, let's be fair here. Of COURSE our soldiers appear to be living high on the hog. $600 a month to a Koskid could buy a LOT of damn weed. Probably a whole month's worth!

#40 killgore

"the soldiers of this Country are far removed from society. They believe they are better than the average citizenry and they do not understand . . ."

There is a big part of me that thinks our soldiers are better than the average citizen (us), in many ways.

Didn't the KosKook say he was in the military?
Does that make him a mercenary also?

114:

That is why we have smart bombs

Note to Kos: More exclamation points. They just scream serious analysis.

Although, if I recall right, my freshman (high school) English teacher said they were lazy. I'm sure that is excusable if your point is super-important, so maybe I'm just being picky.

From koskids that kilgore pointed out:

We do not have an "All Volunteer Force", rather we currently pay pretty handsomely for their services.

This is absolutely retarded. Handsomely? Every service person I've known has lived on a very humble salary if you could call it a salary. I think it's a disgrace they aren't paid more. I would submit that we should cut congress' paycheck in half and give it to our military. Congress people could use some "humble pie" with their low rating..oops that is right, they only believe in ratings if it serves their political purpose.

george ford

Kos never saw combat. . . . yet still thinks he is qualified to comment because he served.

#109 THX-42

. . . the little "liberal scriptures" that each poster appends to his/her/its post. These little gems apparently are meant to either deliver a message of timeless liberal wisdom, or perhaps even to capture the very philosophical essence of the poster.

Your anthropoligical skills are superb. Please feel free to don the hazmat suit and venture into the unkempt hordes on my behalf anytime. I'm satisfied to accept your reportage over having to step into the toxic fray myself -- don't have the mettle for that sort of nausea-inducing expedition.

#127

anthropoligical = anthropological

/PIMF

but in this article he says nice things about the army. But it seems his version of the Army doesn't involve combat:

There’s a reason most vets running for office this year are running as Democrats. The military is perhaps the ideal society -- we worked hard but the Army took care of us in return. All our basic needs were met -- housing, food, and medical care. It was as close to a color-blind society as I have ever seen. We looked out for one another. The Army invested in us. I took heavily subsidized college courses and learned to speak German on the Army’s dime. I served with people from every corner of the country. I got to party at the Berlin Wall after it fell and explored Prague in those heady post-communism days. I wasn’t just a tourist; I was a witness to history.

The Army taught me the very values that make us progressives -- community, opportunity, and investment in people and the future. Returning to Bush Senior’s America, I was increasingly disillusioned by the selfishness, lack of community, and sense of entitlement inherent in the Republican philosophy. The Christian Coalition scared the heck out of me. And I was offended by the lip service paid to national service when most Republicans couldn’t be bothered to wear combat boots. I voted for Bush in 1992, but that was the last time I voted Republican.

Lest this sound like an ad for the Army, those were different times, when our men and women weren’t treated as expendable pawns in a neoconservative’s game of Risk. One of the many tragedies of the Iraq War is that the military is no longer a viable option for those needing a boost up the socio-economic ladder, making college a possibility, granting people the confidence and experience that has paid such huge dividends for countless veterans.

Killgore Trout: Reading DKos, So I don't have to.
Thanks.
F3

I only wish the military could give them what they are really owed.

Duane,

One of the many tragedies of the Iraq War is that the military is no longer a viable option for those needing a boost up the socio-economic ladder, making college a possibility, granting people the confidence and experience that has paid such huge dividends for countless veterans.

Me thinks Kos forgets (or hasn't accepted) the primary purpose of a military.

Of course, that was a different time, a different Republican Party. And I was a different kind of Republican -- always socially liberal, . . .

When was the Republican Party socially liberal? I'm having trouble remembering all thos republican's voting for gays in the military.

The Kos Kids, Democrats, and John Kerry didn’t like John Kerry and company to be called a “Waffle”, “Pancake”, or a “Flip-Flopper” when it came to the issues but damn can they prove us right.

1. We need more troops. = We cannot support the troop surge because it’ll escalate the war.
2. You’re a “Chicken Hawk” to send troops off to war if you’ve never served. = We need to phase redeploy our troops (retreat). The military are servants with no say over their predicament. Plus our private transport.
3. We support our troops. = Our troops are nothing but mercenaries.
4. We are a democracy………..Ok they never flipped-flopped on this one but failed to understand that we’re a Democratic Republic.

The funny thing is mercenaries have been a vital part of military operations throughout history. George Washington hired such troops from France and Poland to help train up the Continental Army, Teamsters to move supplies, and Professional Hunters to act as scouts and form free companies of sharpshooters. The British Army did the same with Hessians. While mercenaries did fight for money, to develop a rogue reputation through looting, raping, and desertion was counterproductive to business and such criminals were hunted down and dealt with an appropriate manner through execution. Mercenaries like regular soldiers were loyal so long as they were paid and treated reasonably well and not sent on suicide missions or given horrible conditions of service. Besides without Mercenaries terms such as freelancer and company would have never have become part of the language but then again some of our friends over at Kos hate the idea of capitalism.

I love their idea that they can withdraw support for the military at any time. The KosKids are pathetic.
Liberate Iraq! (Moonbats 1998) Abandon Iraq (Moonbats 2006) Invade Darfur! (Moonbats 2007) Abandon Darfur! (Moonbats 2008)

I think I get it. The true purpose of the military is to provide access to education, housing, medical and travel benefits for young Americans. It's purpose is not to defend the country, but to provide another avenue to redistribute wealth.

/spew

#121

There is a big part of me that thinks our soldiers are better than the average citizen (us), in many ways.

One of the interesting things that came out of Kerry's botched joke is that I saw some statistics on the average military person and the average citizen and on many indicators, except for pay, obviously, the miltary came out pretty well against the averages.

Now, the Kos crowd averages vs. the military averages would be the "apples to apples" comparison, but from what I've read, Kos skews older, more white and more educated than the national averages. With the exception of the education piece, I don't see a compelling reason to listen to the opinions of Kos' typical commenter. Even then, education is such a nebulous concept with all the "diploma mill" humanities/social science degrees being given out.

I'm pretty sure a thorough analysis of the qualifications of our military against the Kos crowd would show that the military has more intellectual horsepower overall. Kos' commenters haven't a leg to stand on in this argument, so they are displaying their own ignorance when they make it.

Though the army is still composed of citizens of the land (and legal aliens who just want to become American citizens (since, you know, it's still the best country on the face of the earth)) it does not turn to its citizenry for advice about the war. They simply have not put forth the time, effort, training, blood, and sweat, to gain the experience necessary to make the right decisions, both tactically and strategically.

The comparison would be like letting the fans call the plays at this afternoon's superbowl. People who have no clue about the intricacies of a slot receiver option route, who have no idea what the defense should do with their cover two in light of a bunch formation, and other parts of the game that are way out of their depth because they haven't spent hours in the film room, haven't made a 5 or 7 step drop muscle memory, and are basing their knowledge off of years of playing Madden Football, have no business calling the plays on a football field.

How much bigger are the stakes in war, that some citizen, whose only knowledge of war is playing Battlefield II online, feels like he can call the shots?

So to say that we, the military, have lost touch with the citizenry is almost certainly an accurate statement. But only because said citizenry thinks that they've "been there" by playing first person shooters and watching Saving Private Ryan. So why in hell isn't the military seeking to better understand the military mindset? Because us GIs, the enlisted, we're the dumb ones, too stupid to get an education, too unmotivated to stay in school, and thus, stuck in Iraq.

Ghostmaker
305th MI

#130 FireFireFire,

You in the Navy? Your nic reminds me of being on a boat with the 1MC right over my rack.

#129
Thanks Duane.

I just hate the contorted use of progressive. The speaker using this knows precious little what it really means. Its a verbal condescension that "I know better so I don't need facts."

So what has the left "progressed" recently? Nothing, they argue for the status quo, their mushy, relativistic and valueless existence. Why act when we can just talk about progress!

#132,

In reading that whole article, I have this thought of Kos:
Once a little wuss, always a little wuss

Duane,

I concur. Although, your words are nicer than mine.

What I enjoy about the Kos Kidz is how they take everything out of context to illustrate their point of view, but when Joe Biden called Obama "clean" he was taken out of context. Bah!

I work with the military every day and have for the past 25 years. They are people, like you and me. Yes, they have people who love them. They have a job to do and they do it. Our military deserves respect because they are on the front lines protecting the right of some jerk like Arkin and his supporters to say totally stupid things about them. It is really too bad that stupidity is not painful. Must be the tin foil hats!

My husband is a Vietnam vet and won't even look at these stupid statements. I guess he is smarter than I.
Or maybe he felt so rich when he was getting an additional $60 a month for combat pay. Or maybe it was spending 19 months in a stinking rice paddy that brought him this insight. War is hell, but the soldiers did not start the war and do have the ability to end it with the support from their country.

#115 alibey

After watching that video from Semper Gratus I can just feel the love and support for our troops just oozing out of the anti-war crowd. Can you say " do as I say, not as I do?" The African-American gent needs to be reminded that it was armed soldiers that freed the slaves and Republicans who backed the civil rights acts.

#136 venividivici:

I saw some statistics on the average military person and the average citizen and on many indicators, except for pay, obviously, the miltary came out pretty well against the averages.

The average education level in the reserve components is even higher, which is something the average person would never believe based on media accounts.

Most of the NCOs in my unit are college graduates (from real universities, not diploma mills). Several (including myself) have graduate degrees. All but one or two of our officers have graduate or professional degrees, and most are graduates of the Command & General Staff College. My commander has a PhD, and is a graduate of the Army War College.

#142 Iron Fist

Oops, I forgot about that little detail. You are correct, the votes matter only when they win not when they loose.

This is the most sickning example of semi-intelligent people having too much time on their hands.

I for one was in the military when the draft was still on. The common thread of the draftee was "let's get this thing done so I can go home sooner". This attitude is not all bad. It's the "git-er-done" mentality that does a lot of things. The generals all knew that as war became more sophisticated that they would need a smarter troop. Well that got them. The problem that I see is that the enemy isn't that necessarily smart. Our "kill ratio" is fantastic. The KOS kids and the "Arkin's" of this world wouldn't want us to mention that. It would seem "not making nice" using a term from the ever intelligent Natalie Maines.

OKay, Arkin, lets bring back compulsory military service. Your son is first. He has to only survive against an enemy with the ethics of the 6th century. Think he will survive?

You know, now, while I think of it, perhaps the draftee is the way to to go. With a "git-er-done" attitude all he has to do is just kill a lot of Jihadist Muslims and we won't have to do it in New York or some other large American city.

The military’s place is to do the bidding of the United States citizenry .. period!

Crap. The US military does not take its orders from the citizenry. It takes its orders from its Commander-in-Chief, the President of the USA, who is democratically elected by the citizenry.

You'd think the Kos Kidz would know this. Even I know it, and I'm not American.

#145 lobo and #136 venivedivici

Soldiers are stronger, healthier, smarter and quicker than the average American.

I think they are better than us simply because they choose to serve. They choose to run into battle when most of us would run away--crying for a soldier to protect us.

When I was 18, the military is the last career option I would have chosen. And that is probably for the best. I don't think anyone would want me in the position of defending the country.

I am in awe of those who can and do.

I don't for a minute think that Kos would have enlisted if our country was at war when he was of age.

#145 lobo91,

Yeah I agree. Everyone of my younger Marine reservists were going to college when I was on I&I, and the older ones were all graduates.

#57 Killer Tomato
Basic pay for an E-1 with less than 4 months of active duty is $1,203.90.

Well after you pay off the payday-loan sharks that are right outside the base gates, you end up with about $950...:(

I heard a rumor that the 1st Sergeants owned all those shops...course the Army is full of rumors.

You just can't fix stupid.

#151 Maximu&sect:

When I joined in 1979, basic pay for an E-1 was $419.40 a month.

#153 lobo

What were your expenses in 1979? In 1984 my rent was $300 a month and I didn't have a car payment. After taxes I was eating beans and rice.

Thank you for Serving!

Am I to infer then that the Koz Kids would prefer a return to the draft? That way, presumably, service would again be a matter of duty, not mercenary interest?

#145 lobo91

Plus, while the US military "mind" has built the greatest fighting force in the history of the human race, Leftist liberals have built what? What have those who are Arkin's and Kos' "intellectual ancestors" ever built? I know Arkin is alleged to have some connection to Communist groups and even Communists, the most organized of Leftists, have never been able to build a war machine to rival the US over the long-term. Or an economy, but that's another story.

#154 ggt:

What were your expenses in 1979? In 1984 my rent was $300 a month and I didn't have a car payment. After taxes I was eating beans and rice.

I was single, lived in the barracks, ate in the mess hall, and didn't have a car (nobody would finance an E-1 back then). Basically, I had no expenses, so I couldn't really complain.

Having said that, though, I do remember how hard it was for some of the married lower enlisted Soldiers in my unit. I was stationed at Ft. Ord, which was an extremely high-cost area. As I recall, rent for a small apartment in a lousy neighborhood in Seaside was about $400 a month, and the housing allowance was around $250.

I propose adapting a disgusting tactic from the mad anti-war crowd: All people of good character should spit upon any and all anti-war protesters.

Don't worry, I'm sure the recipients of your show of love will handle the situation as nicely as the veteran who had lost a leg who was spat on by the Fonda-Penn antiwar protest group.

If this occurred once there would be a massive outcry, arrests, jail terms, monetary damages, etc., etc., etc. The antiwar zealots would not see the irony of their past actions, just the “evil” of your current action.

Sauce good for the goose, is sauce good for the gander. Let the games begin!

But is okay for the Government to pay for their college education. And for alot of them it is a freebie because many do not bother to pay those loans back.

lobo91,

When I joined in 1979, basic pay for an E-1 was $419.40 a month.

Privates today have it made.

#160 rightwinger 3:

Privates today have it made.

Well, to be fair, nobody was shooting at me back when I was a private.

Even including the time I spent in Iraq in 1991, the only time I was ever shot at during the 12 years I served on active duty was when I was in Italy (1981-82).

lobo91,

I should have included a sarc tag with that. Nothing in military life is ever easy, even when you are not getting shot at. Tell me about Italy.

commie subversives, SCREW THEM

Hey Kozzie, why dont you bring youre punk ass here to Joisey and call my father, a WWII Marine Corps veteran, a mercenary to his face for going to war against the Japanese.

After all he must have been a merc. according to you.

He dropped out of high school, gave up an education, to go to war. Joined up after he turned 16. Yea, why else would he join the USMC?

Couldnt possibly have anything to do with WANTING to defend his country of birth. With being an American PATRIOT. Right, Kozzie? You are all knowing and all wise, isnt that what you are saying?

Come on, it should be easy for you. My dad is nearly 80 and youre just so young and tough. I promise he will only use one arm.

Punk ass leftist Koz.

Come out and play.

And bring friends. Lots of em. Cause youre gonna need em. Believe me.

Punk. Coward.

And that just barely, barely scratches the surface of what i could call you. But i wont. Youre not worth anymore of my time and effort beyond what it took me to type this comment.

Where did the spirit of the costumed Indians that comprised the Boston Tea Party go? Crushed by modern day political correctness?
Arkin and his kindred spirits at the Daily Kos should be made to contribute to an "Epic of Gilgamesh" style pile.

Of course the truth is that the military is now totally professional rather than part professional, part amateur (draftees). Mercenary my ass.

These Kos kommies keep pushing for a civil war.
Are they going to hire people to fight it for them?

I also like the way both that shithead Arkin and the Kos morons do not even understand the meaning of the word.

hired professional soldier who fights for any state or nation without regard to political interests or issues. From the earliest days of organized warfare until the development of political standing armies in the mid-17th century, governments frequently supplemented their military forces with mercenaries.

[Link: www.britannica.com...]

A mercenary traditionally fought for a foreign government, not their own. Being paid does not make one a mercenary. It makes one a professional. You would think a journo would know this. But I forget. He is not a journalist but a Bolshevik propaganda tool. But since Arkin is paid to take the side of foreign powers (Syria, Iran, and stateless Al Queda) he is more a mercenary than the troops he insults.

I'm beginning to get the impression that Killgore reads more Kos than the Kossacks themselves.

#164 JoiseyMafia,

Couldnt possibly have anything to do with WANTING to defend his country of birth. With being an American PATRIOT

You lost every leftard out there with this part of your comment. They have no clue. Even the Hardly Boys wouldn't be able to help them.

#162 rightwinger3:

Italy in 1981-82 was a mess. That was the height of the Red Brigades terrorist activity. Plus, in the far north, where I was, there was a good bit of activity from local separatist groups. That area was part of Austria until after WWI, and the local residents were ethnically Austrian/German, not Italian.

I was assigned to a warhead detachment back then. We had control of 2 dozen 8" nuke rounds that were earmarked for the use of the Italian army unit we were attached to.

I was on duty the night General Dozier was kidnapped, which was interesting. It didn't take long for us to figure out that if they could snatch a general out of his apartment, one of us could be next. I spent the remainder of that tour armed.

The incident where I was actually shot at is still classified, but it involved a "recon by fire" at our storage site. Someone tried to probe our security to see what would happen.

the leftards think the military is good when they can use it for social experimentation, bad when it is used TO KILL THE ENEMY.

How come they never complain about those in the Military who are against the war on terror?

No, those they make hero's of the proletariat.

Kind of shoots your whole argument down you Kos fool.
Anything to destroy this democracy for your socialist aims.

/still love that Stalinist header they have up over there. Surprised the flag does not have one red star on it.

#167 chen zen

No thy enemy.

Oh wait.
They have their one little star ovet to the right.
My bad.

lobo91,

I wanted to be an 0211 (CounterIntel weenie) real bad during the 80's (never did get to be one, never got the chance to make an MOS change) and so studied a lot of terrorism stuff especially the General Dozier kidnapping. And you were there. Cool.

It always sucks to be shot at, but at least you were armed. Probably with this.

pimf

know thy enemy

#174 rightwinger3:

While I did have an M-16A1 assigned to me, I rarely carried it.

My trusty .45 was rarely out of arm's reach for the remainder of that tour, though.

Was not the commie shithead kos in the service itself?
IIRC, it yakked about having an honorable discharge and yada-yada, that no could question its patriotism and so on and crap (you still a traitourous letch kos). It never did post up a DD214 as proof, so it talked shit without backing it up.
If true, then it (commie kos) os just another brick in that wall. It is also a mercenary. So, that makes it a big time hypocrite and double talking shit bag. Its still a lowlife mercenary, currently taking money to propogandize the LLL commie cause and the freaks the moonbats want to put into politocal office!

Also, since it served as a military mercenary, it now owes us, the american citizens.
Pay up you commie piece of shit. Follow the party lines, give up the money and property to the poor you double talking shithead. The commie democrat party line and the poor of this nation demand it, you second rate, goldbricking mercenary!

#167 ChenZhen
I probably do, I komment there too if they'd let me.

#178 Killgore Trout
PIMF
I would komment there if they'd let me.

Kossackistani ingrates have no clue to the blessings that have been bestowed on them by America, its values, and its strong and brave military.

I can't help but view this from an historical perspective. When Rome could not longer fund and maintain its military, Visigoths began to challenge the Imperial authority. After the sack and conquest of Rome by Alaric in 410 AD, The government collapsed along with the other benefits conferred by civilization. Without government the military, the aqueducts, the roads, and the other benefits of civilization disappeared. Without water supplied by the aqueducts and grain supplied by regional commerce, Rome’s population fell from its peak of approximately one million to between thirty and forty thousand inhabitants after 410 AD.

The centuries of great building projects like the Pantheon and colosseum came to an end. The great public baths could no longer be sustained. Commerce and prosperity disappeared. Without commerce, grain to feed the million inhabitants of Rome was impossible.

Kossackistanis are to America as Visogoths were to Rome. Alaric I was actually employed as a soldier in the Roman army and yes we can question his patriotism.

If liberals and Multi-culturalists win the day our future could be described by this excerpt from The Christian History Institute:

On this day, August 24, 410, the city of Rome, once master of the Mediterranean, fell to Alaric and his Visigoth armies. Apparently someone opened the city gate from within. The Medieval historian Procopius says this may have been done by slaves that Alaric had treacherously given as a token of friendship to the Senators or by the servants of an aristocratic woman who felt the city had suffered long enough.

Afterward, refugees showed up all around the Mediterranean world. In Palestine, Bible translator Jerome described formerly haughty women who would now be happy to work for a crust of bread. He wrote letters lamenting the fall of the imperial city. Like everyone else, he could not avoid the symbolism of the event. "My voice sticks in my throat; and, as I dictate, sobs choke my utterance. The City which had taken the whole world was itself taken..."

Misguided ingrates like those who post at DailyKos unwittingly seek to pull the building in which they live down upon their own heads.

#177 Lateral:

Was not the commie shithead kos in the service itself?
IIRC, it yakked about having an honorable discharge and yada-yada, that no could question its patriotism and so on and crap (you still a traitourous letch kos). It never did post up a DD214 as proof, so it talked shit without backing it up.

He was reportedly in the Army for 4 years (1989-1992), during which time he rose to the exalted rank of Specialist (E-4).

Not quite sure how that makes him an expert on anything in the military beyond cleaning latrines, though.

#180
Misguided ingrates like those who post at DailyKos unwittingly seek to pull the building in which they live down upon their own heads.

Only problem is they are NOT misguided, they WANT to cause the fall of the Republic.

The military’s place is to do the bidding of the United States citizenry .. period!

not the citzenry [sic] you moron, they follow the orders from the elected government!

We send you to war and we bring you home. We tell you when to wake up and when to go to bed.

behold everyone...the new CIC!

what this pos seems not to understand is the concept that even though a citizen chooses to serve in the military, they do not give up their rights as citizens. rights that they have sworn to defend. heck, they even get the chance to vote in elections! (i imagine that is something that the lefties can't come to accept)

#153 lobo91

Maximu&sect:
When I joined in 1979, basic pay for an E-1 was $419.40 a month.

No wonder I was always broke, I served from 80-84 and my beer drinking in Germany easily totalled $400 per/mo.

The nerve of these Liberal MFer's telling us how well paid our troops are...IMO, the starting pay for an E-1 in a combat MOS should start at $75,000 per/yr.

Link for post #180
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#184 Maximu&sect:

The nerve of these Liberal MFer's telling us how well paid our troops are...IMO, the starting pay for an E-1 in a combat MOS should start at $75,000 per/yr.

While everyone would like to make more, military pay today is much better than it used to be. Those stories the LLL like to drag out about Soldiers qualifying for food stamps are extremely rare cases, and they're generally the result of poor judgment on the part of the Soldier. The only military members who qualify for food stamps are E-1s or E-2s who are married and have several kids (usually not their own, in my experience).

In other words, while unfortunate, these are the military version of people who complain that they can't raise a family on the minimum wage they make at McDonalds.

Personally, I can't complain about what I make. As an E-8 with 27 years of service, my basic pay last year was about $52,000, on top of which I received another $20,000 or so in tax-free allowances for meals and housing.

#182 Duane 2/4/2007 12:07PM PST
Good point Duane. There are most certainly more posters at Kos who consciously want to overthrow America and get on with world socialist government via the UN then I want to admit.

Incoherent crapola written by a high school sophmore,
not to be taken seriously by anyone except, possibly, a fellow Kossite or a DUmmy.

...At this point, I'd so LOVE to 'chute up and stick a bunch of like minded kossuckers on a C-130 and drop thier azzes over Bagdad, Iraq or Ghazni, Afghanistan... And see their demise on You Tube ...

Do you think this guy cops the same kind of attitude with waiters and waitresses?
If so, there's some satisfaction to be had in considering the amount of sputum he consumes annually.

And that stuff that looks like cracked pepper?
It came in on the cook's shoes.

#190

I think he is only brave behind a keyboard, he'd be afraid some waitress with more testicular fortitude than him would bitchslap him

That's okay. Let them rant against the military, let them hate, and let them continue making excuses when others do so. The more people with guns grow to hate these vermin, the better.

Maybe we could give the left their own fantasy state to rule the way they want, in the middle of Saudi Arabia.

The only way to get people to go was to pay them a lot more - the definition of a mercenary.

No, asshat, the definition of a mercenary is "one who fights for a country that is not his own."

#192 Pickle

My feelings toward those on the left of the Kos/Du ilk, and those who enable (MSM) these cockroaches is beyond hatred. In fact, I hold cockroaches in higher esteem than any of them.

I haven't had many encounters with cockroaches of the insect variety in my life, but I really do hope to have the opportunity, in the not too distant future, of providing their homo sapians brethren with the same treatment I give to any common household cockroach. The only determinate is the methodology used for removal of the pests. The time is fast approaching!

What will happen when the soldiers ask the question, "what do we really owe the politicians?" and by extension the anti-war loons that the democrat left supports.

The democrats better stop and realize that the soldiers may not appreciate being stabbed in the back the second time around. It is that kind of betrayal that results in military coups.

What will happen when George Soros and the rest of the academic and cultural leftists that have polluted our culture and body politic are hauled before military tribunals prior to their executions for treason?

#189 scorched earth

...

At this point, I'd so LOVE to 'chute up and stick a bunch of like minded kossuckers on a C-130 and drop thier azzes over Bagdad, Iraq or Ghazni, Afghanistan... And see their demise on You Tube ...

The 'chutes, functional or non-functional? >:-) 'Cuz if they were non-functional, we wouldn't need to fly all the way to the ME, save the taxpayer some dough, y'know...

BTW, if you know someone whose kid is a Girl Scout and you want to do something nice for the troops, you can buy a box of cookies to send to the troops (at least here in GA). So far, my daughter has 20+ boxes sold (and she didn't try to sell the cookies all that hard). Deadline for orders is today or tomorrow, so act now!

I don't recall Arkin or Kos being elected to anything. As Markos would say screw both of 'em.

For the good of my fellow Lizards, I've edited this comment for content:

"The Kos Kidz are disgusting pond scum, and so is Arkin."

And that's the cleaned-up version.

personally, the KOS idiots have it backwards.

it is they who have lost touch with the US Constitution, with the reason for a military and with sanity.

you do not send people on a mission and then not let them carry it out.

you do not send them on a mission and then stab them in the back.

All Liberal arguments could be conducted in an highschool lunchroom because their logic-level is around age 14.

I think this writer misunderstands the debate completely.