only 249 gazillion?

They would most definitely call for his death.
Islam delenda est.

This is going to get very interesting. Right now Hillary is trying to figure out how she use his Muslim past against him without looking like she is.

Barak Hussein sleeper Obama? How could we ever be sure until it's too late?

then they, the ROP, will hate us even MORE!

wait, that's impossible

Dum da dum dum.

The United Church of Christ is, by the way, a loony-left mainstream church, further left than the Episcopal Church---and that's pretty far left!

I think Unitarians are the only ones even more leftward than they are.

Well, I’m sure we’d end up going to war with radical Islamists. Oh, wait a minute….

As a Christian, I won't call him an "Apostate". That's too young to decide a faith. I know Islam doesn't see it that way.

are you really sure it is only in his past, his church seems to be very anti white

Why don't we ask that madman who prays with the DNC?

You guys are a bunch of osamaphobes islamophobes.

How interesting. Apparently comments that are mere gloating over firsties are now deleted from the number one slot. Thanks, Charles!

I'd vote for a Muslim apostate with a Jewish VP but I won't be voting "progressive" regardless of religion.

I think if I answered your rhetorical question out-loud Charles, I would certainly be banned. However, we all know the written policy for apostates. just sayin´

Who cares?

He'll never win anyway.

anyone remember that book where Islam takes over the west coast?

Sounding way too familiar

So - Obama left Islam - OK by me - Maybe NOT OK for some
twisted moron whose name just might be Mohammed or some variant thereof. Obama watch your back.

-S-

WHo's to say he will repent when taking the oath of office on Jeffersons Koran

Sorry to be off topic, but I just thought I'd mention a somewhat rare event on TV;

A 9/11 hero will be honored on Extreme Make Over Home Edition on ABC this evening.

OT:Iranian celebrate their revolution (pics)
Getty Images:

Iranians carry an Israeli flag reading "expired" during a rally to mark the 28th anniversary of the Islamic revolution in Tehran

Pigs and Apes

Iranians carry a poster portraying US President George W. Bush and former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (L) as chimpanzees

Various Zionist Nazi Posters

What's a party without cartoons and baloons?

I'm sure they'll be nice once the get nukes.

I'm confused about the importance of this. Isn't every current and future American president already under a death sentence by Islam? (with the possible temporary exception of Dhimmi Carter?)

For those of you unfamiliar with the church that Obama takes 'very seriously' - here is their webpage. It reads like a Black Power script from the '70's to me. Maybe The Chicago Seven are on the Board of Deacons.

Now let's sit back and watch the fireworks...and check out who's camp it is coming from...Hillary?...Edwards?...etc

They will say it proves that America is The Great Satan. They will issue fatwas. They will whine to the MSM, who will embrace them. They will whine to the Euroweenies, who will embrace them. They will bomb trains. They will bomb subways. They will bomb restaurants. They will behead schoolgirls. They will shoot children in the back as they try to flee. They will fly airplanes into buildings. They will behead westerners on camera. They will shoot women in the head in soccer stadia. They will bomb embassies, and ships, and hotels, and pizza outlets, and buses.

With that kind of threat hanging over us, we should be very careful about electing Obama.

kilgore

Getty links just bring you to the main search page.

ehn~

forgot the dumb link:

[Link: www.tucc.org...]

MMmm I really can't fathom that a presidential candidate being in a sleeper cell. The truth will get out there.

#13 doppelganglander -

to funny...but just so you know. i wassss firsties...

Truth be known, his "Christian" church isn't anything to get excited about, either:

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

In other words, a bunch of bigots.

I wish just one journalist would ask him why Islam does not suit him now.

Not that the MSM would ever fail to do its research, but the shari'ah penalty for ridda (apostacy from islam), is death:

Umdat al-Salik, s. o8.0- Leaving Islam is the ugliest form of unbelief (khufr) and the worst

s. 08.1- When a person who has reached puberty and is sane volunatrily apostacizes from Islam, he deserves to be killed.

o8.4- There is no indemnity for killing an apostate (O: or any expiation, since it is killing someone who deserves to die).

And who sanctioned this penalty? Why, mo, of course:

Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 9, Book 84, No. 57:

"Whoever changed his deen (ie, Islamic religion), then kill him".

Obama's the walking dead. This AP piece will trigger countless fatwas of death.

So when does he revert? I say two months into his first term. As POTUS or Veep.

I wonder what Keith Ellison thinks about the apostate who wants to run his party?

I'm thinking that Barack is more in the group of "A Little of This, A Little of That" religion.

Not of any one strict faith. That's a growing group. People who "Cherry-Pick" their faith.

He's mixed some Gosphel teaching, some Black Panther tenents, some Islamic stuff, too, I'm sure. Some new age Peace stuff...

#7 TalkinKamel

Not ALL Episcipalians are lefties. Those of us who are orthodox/conservative lean right.

I don't know much about the UCC, though.

When he reverts, is he going to make Hillary wear a burka?

Liberals love him? Why? Because he espouses all of the socialist ideals; universal health care, ending poverty, and energy independence (sound familiar - yes - my name is Hugo)

Liberals really love these clowns because they're obsessed with guilt over Manifest Destiny - a Democratic construct.

#26 Shaken.

Nice plural on th "Stadia". I like seeing people use it right!

#25 Shaken:

What crystal ball are you looking out of that makes you so sure there would be large violent revolts on such a popular scale? If anything it would make the moderates happy.

#4 Adie

Barak Hussein sleeper Obama? How could we ever be sure until it's too late?

There are no end of reasons for why this purdy, platitudinous panderer is not deserving of any consideration for office. There is no reason to invent such outrageously needless bigotry.

#18 Dr. Shalit: That would just suck. Making a martyr out of him and all that. Candidates don't get Secret Service protection until they've gotten the nomination.

#25 Shaken

Leave it to me to misspell, "the".

When are they gonna admit that his ideas are about as vapid as the Hillabeast? With all due respect to both parties, the top folks are not too sharp. I still find that Repulsicans have a slight lead, albeit almost immeasurable. The fact that he and the Hillabeast can talk for yours without ever coming even close to an idea is rather frightening; albeit completely logical for "the party without a brain".

#30 Earth2moonbat

Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"

I wonder what that means; work towards socialism or strive to become wealthly and upper class?

249 gazillion Muslims

Dougie Hooper just called. He'd like that revised up to 275 gazillion.

#44 howyadoin

No, no, no--it was a typo, not a misspelling. It may be a distinction without a difference, but it does matter to me!

OT

You know, its almost like raising the minimum wage causes people to loose jobs;

New wage boost puts squeeze on teenage workers across Arizona

Some Valley employers, especially those in the food industry, say payroll budgets have risen so much that they're cutting hours, instituting hiring freezes and laying off employees. advertisement

And teens are among the first workers to go.

Companies maintain the new wage was raised to $6.75 per hour from $5.15 per hour to help the breadwinners in working-poor families. Teens typically have other means of support.

Mark Messner, owner of Pepi's Pizza in south Phoenix, estimates he has employed more than 2,000 high school students since 1990. But he plans to lay off three teenage workers and decrease hours worked by others. Of his 25-person workforce, roughly 75 percent are in high school.

"I've had to go to some of my kids and say, 'Look, my payroll just increased 13 percent,' " he said. " 'Sorry, I don't have any hours for you.' "

Messner's monthly cost to train an employee has jumped from $440 to $580 as the turnover rate remains high.

But hey, Its Arizona, I'm sure they can just bus in a few loads of illegals to take up the slack.

oops, normal spazmosity.

That's "hours", not "yours". (could be a very stretched pun there..)

Oh, he'd be fantastic for foreign policy. Can't ya just picture him dealing with President Tom, and the ophthalmologist? That would be pure hilarity.

#30 E2m

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Funny. I always thought churches adopted the Bible as their frame of reference. Not some work by a black author written in 1981.

Silly me.

#10 yochanan 2/11/2007 02:21PM PST

are you really sure it is only in his past, his church seems to be very anti white

The only way that he could be accepted by the blacks, is to basically sell off any part of his being white. So, basically he sold his mother. Why not? It's for the "greater" good.

The cat's out of the bag! Where's the fatwa? Or could the muslims KNOW that he's only dern good at lying.... sorry can't recall off hand the name... taqiyya?

#49 goddess

Ah! You show mercy!

I now realize we are all going to be treated to two grinding years of CAIR/AP/Reuters/CNN bulls**t about how "attacks" on Obama's religion demonstrates our intolerance and lack of understanding of Islam.

I bet right now at CAIR headquarters is a working group whose sole purpose is to figure out how to game the Obama story and milk it for the usual mandatory Islam sensitivity sessions at high schools, well-dressed young CAIR PR types fanning out across the news channels to encourage "dialogue" and "mutual understanding" and such.

And when Obama implodes, it is gonna get FUGLY.

Oy.

Off the United Church of Christ site:

Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"

I thought lefties always harp on "the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer". So, no middle class would mean.....?

i cant stand the guy but in a way if he won, it would be fun to outrage the Muslim world /sarc joke

#54 txlady

Good point. What must he think of his mother being so involved in a group that is stridently against her race?

This really pisses me off.

Talking Urinal Cakes Offer Drinking And Driving Advice

New Mexico has taken its fight against drunken driving to men's restrooms around the state.

The state has ordered 500 talking urinal cakes that will deliver a recorded anti-DWI message to bar and restaurant patrons who make one last pit stop before getting behind the wheel.

Now you get nagged before you get home.

BBC attaches a "map" illustrating the relationships of the Israeli excavations and the Temple Mount.

No surprise, the labeling makes it appear that the work potentially undermines the integrity of the wall - which it doesn't. The "Walkway" and "Excavation Work" are superimposed on the wall surrounding the Temple mount with little wires pointing away. Coincidence?

#59 Baldy
How ya doing? Long time, no "see".

I'd also like to know if the media will examine Obama's apparently anti-white church as they will Mitt Romney's Mormonness (Mormonosity? Mormonity?). If Christians supposedly won't vote for a Mormon, will white people vote for a member of an anti-white church? We'll probably never know, because the media won't cover it.

YouTube video showing all x hundreds of calls for violence in the Koran. Stunning to see them all pass by, to see how much hate is inside Islam.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNyw3XjN3Ys
Didn't know the Koran was that evil.

I pray that he survives the primary process and gets a seat on the Democratic ticket.

First, it will piss off every Muslim to hear his rejection of Islam endlessly repeated.

And Second, the Republicans win going away.

One day into his formal bid for the U.S. presidency in 2008, Illinois Sen. Barack Obama slammed Australian Prime Minister John Howard Sunday for suggesting terrorists are awaiting the election of a Democrat — specifically Obama — to the White House.
"I think that it's flattering that one of George Bush's allies on the other side of the world started attacking me a day after I announced" my candidacy for president, Obama said during a news conference in Iowa, the first state to hold party caucuses. "I take that as a compliment."

Being portrayed as a coward isn't anything to be proud of Senator Racist.

And "one of George Bush's allies"? Well I think that tells us who's side your on. Hoping to parlay the koran memorization into a top Taliban position are you?

Obama said pre-war intelligence shows that President Bush was wrong to go into Iraq. He added that "the threat of terrorism has increased as a consequence of our actions in Iraq."

I'd really like to see the "pre-war" intelligence that you have to prove Bush was wrong to go into Iraq, seeings how you've only been in office since January 3, 2005.

this bigoted muslim communist POS must never step into the whitehouse. The media creation that he is may fool a large percentage of the unthinking robots out there.

What the conservative movement needs is a LEADER

If this cat can pull it off, having "Hussein" in his name, and get elected, then he's a freakin' magician, and perhaps that anti-whatever that you can read about in Genesis.

He's got, what, two years of political theater under his belt? Shillary has not much more, but she's been in the game, and she's a ruthless come-upper.

For the fifty percent or so of the nation that is feeling very democratic right now, either one of these candidates is Teflon. Heck, Biden is smoke right now because he called Obama "clean", a statement that really shows Biden is way out of his league in a run. He's the first casualty of the Demo line-up, and we're a couple of years out.

Let your brain braise with this for a few minutes: Hillary Clinton: President, Barack Hussein, Vice President, Speaker of the Botox, Nancy P-word, and President of the Senate, pro-tempore, Searchlight Nevada Boy Reid.

What a sudden and cataclysmic turn. Say goodbye to your gun, your gold and your cojones.

OT:

Defiant Ahmadinejad promises nuclear news in two months

/same ol' song 'n' dance

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family

Who's the pastor, Eldridge Cleaver?

#71 victor_yugo
Is that what his big nreaking news story for Feb 11th was ?

I feel underwhelmed

48 savage_nation

Show me the bigotry in that statement, genius...

The clear implication that muslim = terrorist, of course! Anyone who is stupid enough to ask that question should refrain from sarcasm, it always backfires, genius.

#72 bunker buster

Who's the pastor, Eldridge Cleaver?

No, man. Fittycent.

assuming he is an apostate.

How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

I'm no fan of Obama, but since when do we make decisions based on the reaction of radical Islam?

This is interesting (from HuffPo)...

The Left: It's the New Racist Right!

...the liberal plantation is where modern and accepted racism has taken up residence. And unfortunately Barack Obama will be the target of a campaign that is instigated by the soft bigotry that the worst paternalists of the left wield so well. Obama, different from, say Sharpton or Jackson, isn't beholden to liberal paternalism. And after decades of having blacks under their thumb there's nothing more frightening to the leftist old schoolers than an ascended and independent black man.

see also: The Left: The New Racist Right (Part II)

I don't really know what to make of this. Anyone have an idea?

#74 Mjbrutus

The clear implication that muslim = terrorist, of course!

Well, if you'd do some looking around, you might find that the muslim holy book pretty much gives practicing muslims free reign to lie, cheat and murder as long as the receiver of these noble deeds is a non-muslim.

That makes them terrorists in my book.

Genius.

The Manchurian Islamic Candidate?

Heh.

Yes, Obama should be killed according to Islamic law, as several readers here point out:

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims."

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Volume 9, Book 84, Number 57:

Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"

Ot
CNN has gone too far

Interesting. Americans won't go for this guy, though, so it's the prospect of an apostate president doesn't really loom, I figure. Would they prefer a Jewish president?

Cognito construct :

I am no / not / certainly not

BUT

here's what I really think about why you are wrong

I think I've got this down to a science by now.

And given that he belongs to a certifiably racist organization (the church), I have to wonder what kind of relationship he had with his mom. I'll bet 50,000 quatloos he hates her guts for being white.

imploder,

Say goodbye to your gun, your gold and your cojones

They can take my gold, but that's all they're gettin' out of the three.

#83 Salem

Would they prefer a Jewish president?

I would. Although I'd prefer he or she not be some liberal Jew.

I'd vote for the rabbi that does the Jews For the Preservation of Firearm Ownership website.

As I said on the previous thread:

In his book Dreams From My Father, Obama basically admits he doesn't actually belief in actual Christian religious principles (such as accepting Jesus Christ as his personal savior), but rather that he joined the church as a political ploy to get himself "down with the community" in the district he was trying to get elected in.

So when he says, as he does in the AP article, that he "takes his faith seriously," he's lying.

He's a Muslim apostate who hasn't really adopted Christianity yet.

I seriously doubt he still hews to any Muslim rituals or religious sentiments, but to the extent that he has any religious affiliation at all, I'd say that Muslim was the closest, as his Christian beliefs are just a veneer to impress voters.

#77 Cognito

I'm no fan of Obama, but since when do we make decisions based on the reaction of radical Islam?

Ask the MSM who suddenly decided to enforce medieval blasphemy laws when not publishing some innocuous Danish cartoons. Appeasing Islam is a full-time job for some people.

Nice! I was posting similar information on YouTube a couple of hours ago.

31 McNug

I wish just one journalist would ask him why Islam does not suit him now.

No kidding. Also it would be good if he were asked about his current church's *philosophy*. His church just doesn't seem to be all that *christian* in my book.

#34 billhedrick
Just what I was thinking. Hopefully someone asks him that, so we can watch him struggle with the PC-lying response.

#88 zombie

his Christian beliefs are just a veneer to impress voters.

If the TUCC website is any indication, his Christian beliefs aren't even Christian.

#75 imploder 2/11/2007 02:45PM PST

#72 bunker buster

Who's the pastor, Eldridge Cleaver?

No, man. Fittycent.

ROFLOL!

77 Cognito 2/11/2007 02:46PM PST

How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?
I'm no fan of Obama, but since when do we make decisions based on the reaction of radical Islam?

At least as soon as Nancy Pelosi became speaker of the House. Seriously, I think the point - or part of it - is that electing someone who is marked for death by potentially hundreds of thousands of his (ostensibly) former co-religionists might just be a weensy teensy problem for security.

Manchurian Muslim Candidate, I suspect.

This guy is really strong willed and hungry...what is he hiding?

If he gets too popular in the Hildebeast will drop the boom on him. Probably have pics of him as a kiddy doing his 5 times a day ass in the air routine for all we know already.

#88 Zombie

I seriously doubt he still hews to any Muslim rituals or religious sentiments, but to the extent that he has any religious affiliation at all, I'd say that Muslim was the closest, as his Christian beliefs are just a veneer to impress voters.

Honestly, I serious doubt he has any spirituality at all. He's an avowed post-modern humanist. That's why he want's to give us Cuba and Venezuela style health-care.

He also wants work parties to hack at the sugarcane in south florida and louisiana for the "Americacorps Collectives" he's planning.

OK, that last part I made up. I can still see him hugging Hugo Chavez, of course, only after Hillary gets hers in first.

#79 imploder

Well, if you'd do some looking around, you might find that the muslim holy book pretty much gives practicing muslims free reign to lie, cheat and murder as long as the receiver of these noble deeds is a non-muslim.

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest. One can find writings just about as vile in most holy books. Fortunately, most Christians and Jews in the modern world have come to terms with humanity and political progress to the point where the influence of those religions is almost entirely benign. Many, many Muslims have as well. You're using an overly broad brush to tar millions of people who are of far better character than you will ever achieve!

84 Mama Winger,

I said,

I'm no fan of Obama, but since when do we make decisions based on the reaction of radical Islam?

You said,

Cognito construct :

I am no / not / certainly not

BUT

here's what I really think about why you are wrong

With all due respect, if you don't agree, I'm easy to ignore: Forget about me. Discuss the subject. Or whatever you please.

"How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?"

Ah, let's see - historical actions being the best predictor of future actions - they would feel insulted and humiliated and then would behead him?

#97 MJBrutus

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest. One can find writings just about as vile in most holy books.

Uh-oh.

#46 Killgore Trout

#30 Earth2moonbat

Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
I wonder what that means; work towards socialism or strive to become wealthly and upper class?

This was posted yesterday by bordergal:

Middleclassness is defined as the following in the "Black Values System" referenced at the Church website...and I quote:

Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must keep the captive ignorant educationally, but trained sufficiently well to serve the system. Also, captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjegated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control.
Those so identified are seperated from the rest of the people by:

Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages the to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill jails and prisons.

Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better then others.

And so on...

#42 MJBrutus

There is no reason to invent such outrageously needless bigotry.

With all due respect, I don't see his statement as bigotry.

MJBrutus (#42),

Here's some bigotry for you.

This is the "church" Osama proudly claims he's a member of:

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

Or do you think Jesus Christ had two plans, one for "Blacks" and one for everyone else?

How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

When it comes to invading another country unprovoked , "we dont need a premission slip". But when it comes to simply electing our leaders, we should be concerned about the "global test".

Did I get that right?

#99 still Daisy // Therefore Mr. Obama had better have a damned good running mate.

#85 Earth2moonbat
And given that he belongs to a certifiably racist organization (the church), I have to wonder what kind of relationship he had with his mom. I'll bet 50,000 quatloos he hates her guts for being white.

Read the comments on Amazon about his book.

He was raised by his mother and by his other white relatives, after his African father abondoned him at age two. Yet, in his autobiography, he spends 200 pages talking about how great his father is and his father's realtives are, and hardly even mentions the white side of his family at all. He totally dissed his mother, who devoted her life to helping him.

The book is basically an explanation of how he decided to reject his whiteness and embrace his blackness, and become a real "African-American," as opposed to someone whose half American and half African.

He's also admitted in later interviews that he totally regrets writing that book, because it revealed stuff he wishes now that he hadn't revealed (such as the fact that he's borderline racist against his own mother).

Dumped this in the lower threads, but the topic is still hot so a reprint:
Well, checked the links from the previous O-B thread to Obama's church, Trinity Unitarian. To fully highlight how suspect it is, just substitute "white" for everytime "black" is specified. To extra highlight how suspect it is, I've attended African churches in Africa that didn't have that exclusive an attitude. If a church wants to faithfully use the word "Christian" then everybody of any color or nationality should be able to walk in, baptised Christian or seeker, and be welcomed as an (current or future) equal brother or sister in Christ. I was baptised by a Ghanian pastor in Ivory Coast years ago, at an Anglophone Church in a francophone country that served all English-speaking Christians, mostly African, but many many American, European and British Commonwealth citizens passed thru and worshipped there,too. So, if I find Trinity Unitarian's website put-offish, with my background, how would anyone else feel? Would, say, a Korean Christian feel welcome there?
To add to that concern, there's no explanation as to what "Trinity Unitarian" actually means as a concept, which for discerning Christians is an essential theological issue to clarify. With the huge emphasis on "blackness" or "African" rather than "Christian," it becomes even more critical to find out what the church really means by that. "Trinity Unitarian" could be mean the Triune God or it could actually mean something else, in which case, would actually plop the church solidly in the non-Christian category.
The Church has as a major highlighted point the failure of a pastor to gain a seat on a local school board. Well, that's petty for a church proclaiming to be serving Christ. Sour grapes comes to mind, a spectacularly unChristian response to life's disappointments.
The church offers Swahili, which is a favorite of the Left. Africans would laugh. Swahili is the coastal trader Arabic tongue of East Africa, out of Yemen and Oman. The overwhelming majority of Americans of African descent have their roots in West Africa. Yoruba or Susu or Ashante or Ibo would be more appropriate, if historical accuracy was important. One suspects Swahili is the choice because it is in the Guiness Book of World Records as the language with the fewest irregular verbs. Unlike the West African languages, Malinki, Susu, Folani, Yoruba, etc., etc, (50+ others) Swahili is actually a creation of the colonial British in East Africa. The Brit Whites took the coastal language, standarized it, set out the grammar, created the written form and dictionary. Funny then to see it pushed as the African standard for Left-leaning American Blacks.
In sum, Trinity Unitarian appears to be a church run on charismatic leadership by the current pastor. That's in the classical sense of leadership where a leader leads by force of his own personality, nothing else. (Not referring to the religious definition of charismatic). The cult of personality seems to hold sway there, not the promotion of Christian values. It's nice to encourage people of any nationality to respect their heritage, but it does not come first before Christ. And putting skin color and ethnicity before faith is wrong. If White Churches practiced that discrimination in the past, they were wrong. Two wrongs don't make a right. As Martin Luther King said, it is the quality of one's character that should matter. He based that on solid Biblical foundations, so it's universal to all people and timeless. I have serious doubts that Martin Luther King, though held up at that church as a Black African American role model, would have approved of the insular theology they seem to be preaching

YouTube video showing all x hundreds of calls for violence in the Koran. Stunning to see them all pass by, to see how much hate is inside Islam.

If you read the Book of Judges, you'll see an awful lot of hate in the Bible. The difference, of course, is that Judges is more than 2000 years earlier and is not part of either the Christian or Jewish faiths as practised today.

94 bunker buster,

I think the point - or part of it - is that electing someone who is marked for death by potentially hundreds of thousands of his (ostensibly) former co-religionists might just be a weensy teensy problem for security.

Like I said, I'm no fan of Obama, but if he ticks off the blood-hungry aspects of radical Islam, I think he must have done something right.

#28 jordash1212 2/11/2007 02:25PM PST

MMmm I really can't fathom that a presidential candidate being in a sleeper cell. The truth will get out there.

next season on 24 after obama is picked by the dems to run
with shrillary in the second spot
/just sayin

97 MJBrutus 2/11/2007 02:55PM PST

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest. One can find writings just about as vile in most holy books. Fortunately, most Christians and Jews in the modern world have come to terms with humanity and political progress to the point where the influence of those religions is almost entirely benign. Many, many Muslims have as well. You're using an overly broad brush to tar millions of people who are of far better character than you will ever achieve!

I'm not sure we have enough time to unbrainwash you.

This might be a problem:

Al-Haramain was host to a number of visitors, one of whom was a Saudi cleric named Abdul-Qaadir. He preached that those who leave Islam should be put to death. In defending the execution of apostates, he mused that "religion and politics aren't separable in Islam the way they are in the West... . Leaving Islam isn't just converting from one faith to another. It's more properly understood as treason."

[Link: www.philly.com...]

Geez the Amish don't mess around.

#101 ciaospirit
Wow, very strange. Thanks.

From the sketchy timeline fragments I can put together, it looks like Obama joined his African-centric church either while his mother was dying of ovarian cancer, or just shortly thereafter. Anybody know for sure? Pretty callous and pretty calculating either way.

#97 Mjbrutus

Many, many Muslims have as well. You're using an overly broad brush to tar millions of people who are of far better character than you will ever achieve!

I see you don't refute the point that the muslim holy book is the bloodiest and most brutal document ever produced in the name of modern religion, with perhaps the book of Satan himself running seven or eight lengths behind, and you chose to attack me ad hominem, which is to be expected from someone with no argument (and probably no exposure) to the wicked writings in that book.

Let's couch the debate in these terms without regard to the millions of people I've "tarred": their book is not a book of love, tolerance or benevolence.

Will you give me that?

Based on my reading, Muslims think Obama is a Muslim (whatever he says). Interesting to say the least.

Obama's 'church ' is nothing to do with Christianity. Its 'mission statement' is decidedly racist, Marxist and smacks of the mind control, grievance stance, non-integration and supremacy associated with Islam. There are paw prints all over it of Muslim Brotherhood. I suggest Lizards start posting the Home Page of this 'church' to everyone they know, including newspaper columnists and other bloggers. By now, the Dhimmicrats appear no longer gullible to me, but actually downright treacherous. Ellison, Obama, Carter, islamic invocations at the DNC: time to set up a new party before this one sets up a caliphate.

27 mama winger - in the Akimba Bookstore, under Bible Study, they have a book on Malcolm X... NOT kidding

Making Malcolm
Malcolm X is the thread that stitches together these eloquent, freewheeling essays on hip hop culture black films and the tragic lives of poor black men...The essays...intrigue and illuminate.

97 MJBrutus 2/11/2007 02:55PM PST

#79 imploder

Well, if you'd do some looking around, you might find that the muslim holy book pretty much gives practicing muslims free reign to lie, cheat and murder as long as the receiver of these noble deeds is a non-muslim.

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest.

MJ, if you do even a small amount of study into the koran, the hadiths and the sunnah, you'll find that imploder is correct. Also, the comment you excerpted refers to what muslims are permitted to do, not necessarily what they all openly do. But you don't have to cast about too long or too far to find a lot of examples of bombing, shooting, stabbing, torture and decapitation in the name of mo'.

I'm not sure what percentage of American voters would know enough to be concerned.

But apart from that, Obama doesn't have enough experience in anything to be elected on his own merits - yet.

I could never vote for him. We don't see eye to eye on much of anything.

IIRC, the Gruniad wanted a voice in the 2004 election and was pestering voters in Ohio with unsolicited e-mails imploring them to vote for Kerry for the sake of theplanet.

Well, the Gruniad must be happy now. The 2008 election is shaping up to be a real Galactic affair. We got Obama, the Muslim candidate, McCain, the Manchurian candidate, Hillary, the UN candidate, and Kucinich, the Antares candidate. Wonder who they will endorse?

94 bunker buster,

Just to make myself clear: I'm not advocating for Obama. Not at all. I just think we should dismiss him for the right reasons -- for instance his political positions. But to dismiss him for his involvement with Islam as a child strikes me as not quite right. Some of the people I admire most used to be Islamic.

So let's just smack the guy around for his current, avowed wrongness.

109 Cognito

Like I said, I'm no fan of Obama, but if he ticks off the blood-hungry aspects of radical Islam, I think he must have done something right.

We, as Westerners/Infidels, already accomplish this simply by breathing. Sorry, but Obama can't do anything right. He's a rudderless tool, a straw to be grasped by the desperate left.

#106 zombie

I can't explain why, but without knowing that, I had a strong gut feeling that that was the case. I've seen it happen before; where a white mother sacrifices to raise a bi-racial boy, and he grows up to hate her. I've also seen it turn out the exact opposite, too. But I just got racist, misogynist vibes from this guy.

#98 Cognito

With all due respect, if you don't agree, I'm easy to ignore: Forget about me. Discuss the subject. Or whatever you please.

Oftentimes it pleases me to ignore. Sometimes it pleases me to poke fun. Or other times it tickles me to work up a good argument. That's me - unpredictability all in one neat little package.

#97 MJBrutus

#79 imploder

Well, if you'd do some looking around, you might find that the muslim holy book pretty much gives practicing muslims free reign to lie, cheat and murder as long as the receiver of these noble deeds is a non-muslim.

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest.

Uhm. Where do you see imploder lumping all Muslims into a sterotypical hate-fest? He/she states the book correctly.

#104 ChenZhen
Well, then let's surrender Iraq and Afgahnistan to Al Qaeda, let Iran get their nukes and increase our funding for the Hamas leadership of Palistine. That should work out just fine.

106 zombie

I didn't read the book....

Did his dad leave when he was 2?

And how has no one picked up on this?

#104 ChenZhen

Did I get that right?

Not even close. Charles asked an honest question about Obama. You're assuming there is a clear answer the entire collective is supposed to deduce from the code words. In your case, an honest mistake.

#94

Agreed.

Obama's apostasy doesn't bother me, his ideas (the few I've heard) bother me. Add to that the fact that he doesn't have the guts to admit he renounced islam... then again, maybe he didn't.

I'm sure the mohamheads would love to see the death of Bush and whoever succeeds him. Security of the president will always be a major concern as long as there are moonbats, olbermanns and mohamheads.

103 Geepers

This is the "church" Osama proudly claims he's a member of:

You and fat, drunken Teddy have something in common :)

I'm with you on that. I'm not here to defend or apologize for the loser (Obama). I'm simply saying that tarring all Muslims with the brush of being terrorists is despicable, and the best way to live down to the lowest charicatures that the left paints of right-wing wingnuts.

The charter of the church you cited is an entrely different matter. If those are Obama's values that is far, far more damning than the fact the he practiced Islam as a kid (a fact which is not negative at all). I hope that he is asked his opinion on such "values."

#30 Earth2Moonbat,

Sure seems like he needs some reinforcement concerning his Black identity. Oh yeah,I agree, it appears bigoted. I'm a white woman ... would I be allowed to join? I think I'm going to research that one.

I don't see why a church of black people having as its mission a commitment to the black community and family and the betterment of blacks is bigoted. Self-help is a cherished American tradition; self help by immigrant and other groups has been a key reason for the success of the country. That doesn't mean that I support his views on various issues, it just means that his religion should not be used to tar him.

It is sad that Islamists will want to kill him.

This guy hasn't got a hope in hell of even being Vice President, for starters he looks about 15.

OT
WASHINGTON — Senior U.S. defense officials say they have
evidence linking some of the deadliest weapons being used
against U.S. forces in Iraq to the highest levels of the
Iranian government, but congressional Democrats are
warning the administration to go slow in making its case.
Lurch on the case.

115 imploder

Something isn't right with that guy.

There is so much information out there, yet he chooses to spew what the MSM says and not critically think for himself as to what the muslims are very vocally saying and following up by their actions. Can't paint it more black and white than that.

Looks like another candidate for the *scroll* function.

#66, phoenix.ger

YouTube video showing all x hundreds of calls for violence in the Koran. Stunning to see them all pass by, to see how much hate is inside Islam.

Executive summary: Allah has destroyed many generations, and entire towns. Disbelievers face a painful doom of hell fire.

125 mama winger,

Oftentimes it pleases me to ignore. Sometimes it pleases me to poke fun. Or other times it tickles me to work up a good argument. That's me - unpredictability all in one neat little package.

Well hey, that sounds like good fun. I'm all for that. I'm honest about my positions, and I welcome honest criticism/argument/correction all day long.

#30 Earth2M,

"8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness""

And I just took a second gander at the above .. what the heck is that?

#131 MJBrutus 2/11/2007 03:04PM PST

If those are Obama's values that is far, far more damning than the fact the he practiced Islam as a kid (a fact which is not negative at all).

Are you kidding me? You really have no idea then how brainwashing starts. Those are called very critical ages. I remember things during those ages that form what I am today..more than anything else that happened between then and now.

123 NoSubmission,

Sorry, but Obama can't do anything right. He's a rudderless tool, a straw to be grasped by the desperate left.

Yep, I'm with you on that. I went into more detail in post 122.

Publicly fellating the chinless opthamologist wasn't enough. Here's Diane Sawyer's next trick (via Drudge):

ABCNEWS Diane Sawyer in Iran; exclusive interview with Ahmadinejad... Developing...

I'm savoring the unfamiliar flavor of President Rodham-Clinton, becuase after reading this thread I'm convinced Obama is already toast and would have no chance in a general election.

He's a member of a black supremacist church which a long trail of "hate whitey" paranoia. That fact alone is enough to doom him.

We're still almost two years out from the general election, and almost every single Dem candiadate had already self-destructed!

Only Hillary is left standing. (Forget about a Gore comeback. Somebody just needs to refill the formaldehyde in his jar.)

Hillary vs...who? Giuliani?

Start getting used to the words "Madame President."

#118 Baldy

27 mama winger - in the Akimba Bookstore, under Bible Study, they have a book on Malcolm X... NOT kidding

Under Bible Study, of all things? Since when is Malcolm X a Bible study book? !

I'm headed to that bookstore site. ( Maybe I'll check it out in person next time I'm down in the city too. )

#133 ex-dem

don't see why a church of black people having as its mission a commitment to the black community and family and the betterment of blacks is bigoted.

Are you sure you are an ex-dem?

What about universal emancipation, what about the little kids in Peru, Mexico, Indonesia?

Furthering one's community is noble, and should be pursued, furthering one's community exclusively, with no regard to the rest of mankind is not benevolent, it is xenophobic, and that seems to be the glue that binds this congregation after reading their tenents. They certainly aren't Christ-based.

Well, if Obama would to publicly declare himself an Apostate, and also to recognize and denounce the death sentence that Islam imposes on apostates, my respect for him would increase enormously. (But as we all know, he will NEVER do that.)

109, 122 cognito

Like I said, I'm no fan of Obama, but if he ticks off the blood-hungry aspects of radical Islam, I think he must have done something right.

I read you. Of course, ticking off the blood-hungry aspects of radical Islam is no further away than scribbling a cartoon!

BTW, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There is no shortage of reasons why Obama has nothing good to offer the country. I'm a big fan of certain ex-Muslims - Walid Shoebat comes to mind - in whose shadows Obama is not even fit to stand.

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday he does not think voters have a litmus test on religion, whether evangelical Christianity or his childhood years in the Muslim faith.

“If your name is Barack Hussein Obama, you can expect it, some of that. I think the majority of voters know that I’m a member of the United Church of Christ, and that I take my faith seriously,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.

What a nightmare scenario--how do we know where his real allegiance lies?

#139 Daisy

"8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness""

And I just took a second gander at the above .. what the heck is that?

In other words, don't be "white". Don't be a Cosby. Be a ghetto dweller. There's moral virtue in dysfunction.

#104 ChenZhen,

When it comes to invading another country unprovoked , "we dont need a premission slip". But when it comes to simply electing our leaders, we should be concerned about the "global test".

Did I get that right?

No.

From Obama's church, TUCC

We are an African people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization.

From Teddy Roosevelt

The man who loves other countries as much as his own stands on a level with the man who loves other women as much as he loves his own

And I think I'm being too kind with the comparison "as much as his own" because the mission statement above says nothing about being true to America as well.

At least they dropped the (hyphen)American, if they didn't really mean that part.

wanumba (#107),

Interesting stuff. From an interesting guy. Thanks.

MJbrutis, maybe I haven't been keeping up with current events as well as you. Please identify any terrorist acts of violence by the Christians in the last decade. According to you Christianity is as violent as Islam. Please produce your evidence or STFU.

#60 howyadoin 2/11/2007 02:35PM PST

#54 txlady

Good point. What must he think of his mother being so involved in a group that is stridently against her race?

Not much, since she is just a woman she is nothing more than an incubator. Disposable. Rag. Even if she took the time to raise him and her mujahadeen fled, left, extricated himself. Obama must think of himself as a virtual orphan. I bet he has said that to people before. If he did, then I would not be surprised. Still, I would be sad.
/they are testing the waters with him. His progress will dictate how far they think they maybe able to take this. Take it to the next level or hold their positions for another "opportunity"

144 zombie

I agree that the Hildebeast is the Donk's nominee. There was never any doubt. But there is no way that she can win a general election. Look, whatever one's opinions may be, I think it is a certainty that this country has had a belly-full of people named Bush and Clinton! After the last 20 years, there is simply no way that someone with either name can possibly win.

#131 mjbrutus

I'm simply saying that tarring all Muslims with the brush of being terrorists is despicable, and the best way to live down to the lowest charicatures that the left paints of right-wing wingnuts.

Let us just say that there is potential there:

Such discourse seems less than rare at American Islamic organizations. A recent New Yorker profile of another homegrown radical, Adam Gadahn (a.k.a. "Azzam the American" and one of the FBI's most-wanted terrorists), recounted Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman's visit to the Islamic Society in Orange County, Calif. In his lecture, Rahman, later indicted for helping to plot the 1993 World Trade Center bombing, ridiculed the notion that jihad could be nonviolent and exhorted Muslims to take up fighting against the enemies of Allah. Sitting next to him and translating for the congregation was the local "moderate" imam. The New Yorker reports that "videotapes of the lecture were later offered for sale at the society's bookstore."

This would likely not surprise Gartenstein-Ross, some of whose Muslim acquaintances even disapproved of his decision to go to law school. Their objection was that, as a lawyer, Gartenstein-Ross would have to swear an oath to defend the Constitution. As one Muslim told him, "There are some things in the Constitution I like, but a lot of things in the Constitution are completely against Islamic principles."

This sentiment - not from an al-Qaeda fighter or a fire-breathing radical, but from a normal, devout Muslim - is important. The challenge Islam poses to the West goes beyond mere terrorism.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

A political Christian who is also running to be HRCs running mate. He is A Born Again Muslim.

154 loFlyer 2/11/2007 03:11PM PST

MJbrutis, maybe I haven't been keeping up with current events as well as you. Please identify any terrorist acts of violence by the Christians in the last decade. According to you Christianity is as violent as Islam. Please produce your evidence or STFU.

Yep yep...this ought to be good.

This witch might give The Pantsuit a run for her money.

Socialist candidate in France unveils far-left platform

Ségolène Royal, the presidential candidate of the Socialist Party, on Sunday unveiled a long-awaited, 100-proposal platform, veering sharply to the left on economic policy while also stressing discipline and traditional values.

A Socialist moving to the left?

In a two-hour speech to about 10,000 supporters north of Paris, she pledged to raise pensions, increase the minimum wage to €1,500, or about $2,000, a month and guaranteed a job or further training to every youth within six months of graduating. She also said randomly selected citizens' juries would watch over government policy and that juvenile delinquents could be placed in educational camps run by the military.

64 Killgore Trout - Thanks for asking. My dad died a month ago, my brothers seemingly had the will changed and divvied up the businesses between them, and mom's trust, if any left after she dies. IMO, my brothers are now millionaires (depending on calculations), as is my mom. I got nothing cept a new ugly boss who threatened to fire me (my brother). I called a lawyer, hope to talk to her Monday. Nasty bro also wanted to scare off 86 yr old bookeeper (whom my dad adored), cut off mom's insurance AND keep dad's last poaychecks "cause he's dead and doesn't need em anymore." I hope to destroy him.

#139 Daisy

"8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness""
And I just took a second gander at the above .. what the heck is that?

That, my dear, is a nail in his political coffin.

Maybe the dems could really have a something with a Obama/Carter ticket,,,,,,,,,, It's the Jooooos fault!

#144 zombie

Start getting used to the words "Madame President."

I like Giuliani.
Even my mother likes Giuliani and she is a Democrat. Actually, she has all the traits of a Republican but is a registered Democrat and hasn't vote for a Republican for President since Eisenhower.
I wouldn't write Giuliani off by any means. I think he can attract some votes a strictly conservative candidate could not.

#144, zombie

I'm savoring the unfamiliar flavor of President Rodham-Clinton...

Eww. I wish you'd rephrase that...

#154 loFlyer

MJbrutis, maybe I haven't been keeping up with current events as well as you. Please identify any terrorist acts of violence by the Christians in the last decade. According to you Christianity is as violent as Islam. Please produce your evidence or STFU.

You missed my point entrely. Or more to the point, you have distorted what I said to score some cheap and dishonest debating points. In answer, I'll reply in kind:

AND THE HORSE YOU RODE IN ON.

#161 Baldy

I got nothing cept a new ugly boss who threatened to fire me (my brother). I called a lawyer, hope to talk to her Monday. Nasty bro also wanted to scare off 86 yr old bookeeper (whom my dad adored), cut off mom's insurance AND keep dad's last poaychecks "cause he's dead and doesn't need em anymore." I hope to destroy him.

Damn, I'd just pull up stakes and leave. Don't suffer heat-death due to their nastiness.

mama winger - It makes no sense, UNLESS they didn't have enough space filled on that page with all the Bible Study books on how the Egyptians were really the good guys, and Moses was just a lousy Jew./ sarc

I distrust black nationalists/African power types for so many reasons.

148 bunker,

BTW, I wholeheartedly agree with you. There is no shortage of reasons why Obama has nothing good to offer the country. I'm a big fan of certain ex-Muslims - Walid Shoebat comes to mind - in whose shadows Obama is not even fit to stand.

Yep. Ayaan Hirsi Ali is another. Courageous people, both.

Is it just me, or does Sunday evening seem to have evolved into "trollby (troll/moby) night" here at LGF?

#129 Beagle 2/11/2007 03:03PM PST

Not even close. Charles asked an honest question about Obama. You're assuming there is a clear answer the entire collective is supposed to deduce from the code words. In your case, an honest mistake.

You're right. I assumed too much. Let's start over:

How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

Who cares!

..juvenile delinquents could be placed in educational camps run by the military.

LOL, that'll go down well with the Ummah.

168 imploder - I am disabled with no other skills. I will fight cause I have 10% of one company, and my dead dad's word that he would take care of me and mom.

#162 NoSubmission,

"8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness""
And I just took a second gander at the above .. what the heck is that?"

"That, my dear, is a nail in his political coffin."

LOL. But Obama seems to have throughly disobeyed that church covenant .. I mean the guy was the Editor of the Harvard Law Review for heaven's sake!

Rudy a Hit With California GOP

If it comes down to Rudy against Obama or The Pantsuit, he's winning.

Let the courts squabble over social issues. We've got a war to fight.

OT: they changed the will by my reckoning when dad was near death unable to speak and unconsious.

#174 savage_nation

I will personally wear you down and break you Brutus, you worthless POS...

LMFAO! You're a dull boy.

More from Obama's church's mission statement

...to become agents of change for God who is not pleased with America’s economic mal-distribution!

God isn't pleased unless we're communist. Who knew?

I have been perusing some of the titles in the Akiba Bookstore on the TUCC website. (Obama's church). Some of it I find very disturbing, including this:

Down, Up, and Over Slave Religion and Black Theology

In the first half of the book, Hopkins examines how Protestantism and the Bible were used by Blacks and Whites for opposite purposes. For Whites the Bible was used as a way of validating their enslavement of Blacks and their racial inferiority.

Most of the 'religious' books there I have never heard of, and do not recognize the authors or the publication houses.

#144 zombie

Hillary vs...who? Giuliani?

Start getting used to the words "Madame President."

Not so fast there.

National Poll: Giuliani 49% Clinton 43%

Hillary won't win one southern state and, hence, lose the general election, at least if history is any indication.

/she's also got the highest negatives of any candidate, half the electorate would vote for their neighbor's dog before they'd vote for Hillary and they don't even like that dog

#165 J.D.

Don't underestimate the force of personality, and the power of straightforwardness. It worked magnificently for Reagan. Hair or no hair, I think Giulianni can beat Hildebeast simply because he's a WYSIWYG kind of a guy. That's all it takes to overcome all of the other influences in politics.

People may like you if you say the right things, but people will respect you if you're consistant and straightforward. That's why McCain is a lost cause. He's unreliable. And Hildebeast can't be straightforward, and can't appeal to her entire base at the same time.

Rudy v.s. Hildebeast, no contest.

#85 Earth2moonbat 2/11/2007 02:49PM PST

And given that he belongs to a certifiably racist organization (the church), I have to wonder what kind of relationship he had with his mom. I'll bet 50,000 quatloos he hates her guts for being white.

Why hate her guts when you can use her. Burn her effigy by renouncing her white blood in you. That would make her as useful as a sacrificial goat. Sacrafice your mother (whiteness in you) and become our black savior. He doesn't realize that they lead him on a dog collar. Because the bottom line is, is he's part DOG

Why are we talking a freshman senator for president? If Jack Ryan had been a little less of a perv, B.Hussein Obama would be unemployed.

#97, MJBrutus

You should be ashamed of yourself for attempting to lump all Muslims into your sterotypical hate-fest. One can find writings just about as vile in most holy books. Fortunately, most Christians and Jews in the modern world have come to terms with humanity and political progress to the point where the influence of those religions is almost entirely benign. Many, many Muslims have as well. You're using an overly broad brush to tar millions of people who are of far better character than you will ever achieve!

And thanks for being on the program, Imam Al-Husainy.

It's easy to guess how the muslim world would look at it. They'd be besides themselves with glee that they had done what they promised and put the flag of islam over the White House and would expect him once in office to admit to his faith and proclaim himself muslim. It would be the greatest coup islam had ever attained. If he didn't, he'd be the worst apostate to ever walk the earth and would HAVE to be killed. It would almost be worth it to see him in the presidency to watch what happens, depending, of course on who was VP.

DISAPPOINTMENT WATCH FOR VALENTINE'S DAY BLIZZARD OF THE CENTURY

18Z GFS would turn Big Cities to rain after several inches of snow, lets hope it is a tad too far inland, and I-95 corridor stays mainly snow, because foot plus totals likely if it stays all snow. Winds to near hurricane force on New England coast as well. Well, even if it turns to all rain, the 60 knot winds would still make it exciting.

Not quite as windy further South, but if there is wet snow/sleet and ice in there, tree damage and power outages still possible.

Oh dear, Canadian also sees a change to rain for all the I-95 cities!

Ooops- thats the 12Z GFS again.

12Z Canadian

Bad news when they agree on a change to rain.

Don't give up hope yet, a couple of unfavorable model runs do not mean the Blizzard of the Century (no, really, all in all the worst storm so far of the 21st Century if all works out just right) is lost. But we must be prepared for disappointment.

In other news for exciting weather fans, while not quite as scary looking as a couple of days ago, models still show favorable set up for a least an isolated tornado or two near the I-10 corridor East Texas to Louisiana.

#175 Baldy

and my dead dad's word that he would take care of me and mom.

Well, good luck with that. Sounds like the siblings might have got a one-up on you, so now you have to bring in the lawyers, etc.. Family and the courts, ouch. Makes me glad my Dad is not leaving me anything but my good sense and a 1964 Model 94 Winchester 30-30. People can do ugly things when greed gets a hold of them. Seriously, I hope it works out.

Hillary's thugs should make a big deal about his church and it's racist views. The Muslim thing is more nebulous. He was a kid, BUT

hi charles. hi all. must say i'm so happy to be here. i feel like a pup with two (2) tails. have my dictionary handy. will try to live up to my responsibilities and not show my ass too bad.

#175 Baldy,

Hey there Baldy. Condolences on your Dad's death. It's good to see you back.

88 zombie

I said on the previous thread:

In his book Dreams From My Father, Obama basically admits he doesn't actually belief in actual Christian religious principles (such as accepting Jesus Christ as his personal savior), but rather that he joined the church as a political ploy to get himself "down with the community" in the district he was trying to get elected in.

So when he says, as he does in the AP article, that he "takes his faith seriously," he's lying.

I seriously doubt he still hews to any Muslim rituals or religious sentiments, but to the extent that he has any religious affiliation at all, I'd say that Muslim was the closest, as his Christian beliefs are just a veneer to impress voters.

If I read your post at first blush, a logical conclusion based on my formal study of logic would be that Barack is a Muslim:

A)

In his book Dreams From My Father, Obama basically admits he doesn't actually belief in actual Christian religious principles

B)

I seriously doubt he still hews to any Muslim rituals or religious sentiments, but to the extent that he has any religious affiliation at all, I'd say that Muslim was the closest, as his Christian beliefs are just a veneer to impress voters.

C)

A + B = Barack Obama is a Muslim.

#161 Baldy
Yeah, I just clicked your football and read up on your story. I'm sorry to hear that. Want some unsolicited advice? OK.
Here's my story, when I was 20 I recieved a massive inheritance (we're talking never-have-to-work kinda money). Within weeks, my mother, sister and and uncle (the entirety of my small family) all seperately hired lawyers. They were opening my mail and listening to my phone calls for info that they could use in court. After about a couple months, things got so ugly that I washed my hands of the money and walked away. They continue to this day to fight over that money. It's the best decision I ever made in my life, I live very modestly and work as a craftsman. For me it was the right thing to do, I know your situation is quite different but I just thought I'd share my experience.

#66

Phoenix.ger

Yes, reading the Koran and then reading the Bible is quite a remarkable experience. The Bible is long, difficult, but beautiful and has many stories that require a tough interpretation.

I was expecting the same with the Koran, but its a simple minded track of hate from one end to the other. I really think people should read the Koran... cover from cover, in sequence, word for word. And then Terrorism makes perfect sense; this is the book they're following, and it's been far more effective and deadly than "the Anarchist's Cookbook."

Indeed, I believe there is a Hadith that says Muslims should not bring the Koran with them to Infidel lands or let Infidels read it too easily. It would trump their war strategy.

#192 nyc redneck

Anyone named redneck is OK in my book. Welcome!

#106 zombie 2/11/2007 02:57PM PST

don't have to read the book to see that quite plainly

#191 savage_nation

I will personally wear you down and break you Brutus, you worthless POS...

So much for that personal touch. Another proven lie.

#183 E2m
Uhhhh...where did you get the idea I didn't think Giuliani could beat Hillary?

'The Audacity of Hope'

What the hell does that even mean?

Hey there Baldy.

Hugs.

Personally, I'd love to have a proper theological discussion, on a regular basis, in the MSM, of the real doctrines of the major religions and the disputes within them. But it's not going to happen, not now and not ever.

Quotes from the Qu'ran of the violent bits are interesting, but have you ever read Judges, or I Kings, or the Prophets dealing with the Babylonish captivity? The trouble is that I know the theological context of those - ie that Christians have never been a terrorist movement in that sense, and that Jews stopped after Masada. I don't know Islam as well.

Mind you, the Islamic historical context doesn't seem to show Islam stopping being a religion of universal conquest, where Judaism was never a religion of universal conquest (just of conquest of one piece of land) and Christianity has largely been about conquering people and not land - and has slowly got better about doing it by persuasion and not force.

There is no Islamic tradition of living under a non-Muslim government. Christianity spent its first three centuries like that; Judaism the last 18 centuries.

Hmm, I seem to have rambled. The conclusion I thought I was headed for is that the MSM is never going to talk about theology for the same reason as they will never talk about any other serious intellectual discipline properly (they think we all have lazy minds), but I seem to be headed for another conclusion that Islam has a theological and historical tradition that is wholly at odds with a modern secular world, and neither Christianity nor Judaism do.

#192 nyc redneck (and other newbies too!)

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#25 Shaken

They will say it proves that America is The Great Satan. They will issue fatwas. They will whine to the MSM, who will embrace them. They will whine to the Euroweenies, who will embrace them. They will bomb trains. They will bomb subways. They will bomb restaurants. They will behead schoolgirls. They will shoot children in the back as they try to flee. They will fly airplanes into buildings. They will behead westerners on camera. They will shoot women in the head in soccer stadia. They will bomb embassies, and ships, and hotels, and pizza outlets, and buses.

Yup. It doesn't matter what religion the POTUS practices. Or pretends to practice. Or doesn't pretend to practice.

imploder - Thanks. OH - forget, two of my bros I mentioned earlier are trustees for my mom- and one HATES her. Calls her a "monster" that dad created (by coddling her- she is and has been for decades mentally/emotionally sick - I love her dearly and vice versa). Nasty brother several years back wanted to have her committed upon dad's death... She isn't that sick, just very neurotic.

#172 ChenZhen
Rudy will give you a Purple Nurple.

#106 Zombie

He was raised by his mother and by his other white relatives, after his African father abondoned him at age two. Yet, in his autobiography, he spends 200 pages talking about how great his father is and his father's realtives are, and hardly even mentions the white side of his family at all. He totally dissed his mother, who devoted her life to helping him.

From what I've read, he has so much to thank his white heritage for, but he won't. He thinks being "black" will score him the most points. Disgusting and a closet racist.

#133
I don't see why a church of black people having as its mission a commitment to the black community and family and the betterment of blacks is bigoted

Normally, there shouldn't be a problem with that, if common sense prevails. But when you read the church's statement, what they preach goes waaaaaay beyond that, into an ulgy realm. A true Christian Church is faithful to Christ, not to any color. All good fruits then follow from obedience to Christ, including love of one's fellow man - of any color or nationality.
Please review #30 Earth2Moonbat's & #103 Geepers post & my comments in post #107
I checked the site, #30 & #103 are correct listings of the church's statement. A further perusal confirms the intent. What that "church" is preaching falls into Leftist theology, not true Christian theology. Even the names of the church holds contradictions that require explanation: Trinity Unitarian Church of Christ. Theologically, it is confusing, tho' it sounds "good".
#117 cry of defiance's comment is worth considering:

Obama's 'church ' is nothing to do with Christianity. Its 'mission statement' is decidedly racist, Marxist and smacks of the mind control, grievance stance, non-integration and supremacy associated with Islam.

I would venture that the Nation of Islam may have been an inspiration for the separatist doctrine of Trinity Unitarian, rather than the Muslim Brotherhood as #117 suggests. The Black Value System reeks of Nation of Islam and is decidedly un-Christian. Think, why should Blacks be compelled to hang together any more than Whites? Take a simple example. Why should a Black couple who have three kids to raise, believe in education, hard work and discipline be compelled to stay in the same neighborhood as a bunch of Black crack dealers who think crime is the way to success? They're supposed to hang around and expose their sweet young kids to danger and corruption, just because they're Black? Isn't that stupid? Isn't it racist, making the ultimate determination based on color, not values?
Now that more information is coming out, the history of this particular church will become available.

192 nyc redneck

Always happy to see another New Yorker here!
Welcome to Greater Lizardia.

165 jd,
right. One thing Guiliani could do to help himself is to say his running mate will be a real conservative.

#182 Killian Bundy
National Poll: Giuliani 49% Clinton 43%

Hillary won't win one southern state and, hence, lose the general election,

It might all come down to:

Who will win New York?

They're BOTH New Yorkers now. That's a lot of electoral votes.

Hillary won the Senate Seat there. So she can't be written off state-wide, even against a popular Giuliani.

Luckily, she is a carpetbagger, which in the end will doom her in NY. And without winning NY, no Dem has a chance thsse days in a national election -- that's about 30% of their electoral votes right there.

So -- maybe you're right. Big G has a chance.

Most Christian churches welcome anyone regardless of race, but I have seen some extremely racist churches from black to white and in between. Racism is still a problem in many areas of the country. I have a lot of black friends at work, and they still run into racism at rural communities nationwide. It is disheartening to see blacks treated without respect by fellow Americans, but thats just how things are. America has come far in fifty years of racial integration but still has a way to go. America has done much better than the rest of the world in fighting racism. Little progress has been made lately with racial equality because of political correctness prevents any meaningful dialog between the races. Whites cannot say what they think or believe due to the shrill cry of "racist" when they point out flaws in the black community. The dialog is all oneway, diversity and multi-culturalism rules and whites keep our mouths shut if we know whats good for us. Political correctness or marxist censorship is not good for western democracy in general.

Well if the islamics think Obama is an apostate they will try to kill him, but they will try to kill any US President anyway.

In fact, some of them try to kill any citizen of the United States.

What's the big deal here?

Just life inthe 21st century, but why do we put up with it?

#201 NoSubmission,

"'The Audacity of Hope'
What the hell does that even mean?"

It's a fancy way of bragging about being a victim.

Never underestimate the Clintons. They are politically savvy to the nth degree. They'll pull out every last card trick to win and then surprise you with some you've never even seen before. Ruthless. I worked two primaries against them. They and their "FOB's" were ghastly beyond belief. Lies? The word just does not exist in their universe - unless applied to an opponent. And then there's their rabid supporters. Too gruesome. You don't even want to go there.

Funny thing is, if it comes down to McCain vs. Hillary, I may sit this one out.

The penalty under well-established shari’a law for apostasy—leaving Islam—is death. How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

Funny...I asked this just last night....

Killgore - Thanks for the anecdote. I won't get millions, but just want things written down. My bros could fix up the businesses and sell them (which they both keep talking about, which would leave me up the creek). I have to do this.

#203 po8crg

Personally, I'd love to have a proper theological discussion, on a regular basis, in the MSM, of the real doctrines of the major religions and the disputes within them. But it's not going to happen, not now and not ever.

One other reason I think that will not happen - I do not believe that islam has an exegetical stance. (if I am putting that correctly). By that I mean, there is no systematic theology as in Christianity. There is such a study of Christian apologetics, but in islam I don't think so. There is not a scholarly doctrinal body of thought, compiled by Church fathers and religious thinkers. It is much more seat-of-the-pants type stuff.

#178 Baldy

OT: they changed the will by my reckoning when dad was near death unable to speak and unconsious.

Aside from the obvious fact that you can't execute a valid will or codicil while unconscious, there may be issues of mental/legal capacity, undue influence, or outright fraud.

/if you really believe what you posted is true, it'd be wise to retain a good attorney as soon as possible, however, be forewarned, will contests are almost always ugly, although it looks like you're already anticipating that

#208 ciaospirit

He thinks being "black" will score him the most points.

He's right. That's the disgusting part.

Ed Mahmoud,

This is impossible as Global Warming has shaken this nation to its knees. We will have no snow in D.C. as winter no longer exists. So sez Al "I invented the internet" Snore, Bore, Whore, Gore.

# 2 Macker

Islam delenda est.

With such terms you decry our host Charles Johnson and his site littlegreenfootballs. A lot of antisemites use this term as "Israel delenda est". Both are unacceptable.

#216 Irene NYC

McCain is truly loathsome, but let's face it, a Hildebeast administration is far too horrific to contemplate. I'm hoping that Reps will have enough sense to go with Rudy, Romney or Newt. If they do the wrong thing and nominate McCain, my nose is going to be bleeding and sore for a month, but I'm going to have to pull the lever for him.

133 exdem - In a perfect world, his black centric church would not be bad, but in this USA, it is a bad sign of his beliefs and/or pandering to white-hating whining militants.

#223 zuckerlilly

"Israel delenda est".

I don't know what that means.

#208 ciaospirit

It's hard to know where the opportunism stops and the dysfunction starts. I'd like to believe that he's just using his "blackness" as a political opportunity, but I sense something far more malevolent. I think he genuinely hates his mother and his whiteness.

I'd think more highly of him if he were a mere opportunist.

mjbrutus, you still have not produced any evidence that Christianity is as violent as Islam, I mean with all the violence recorded in the bible you would think that Christians would be murdering people left and right. Could it be that Christianity grew up and Islam didn't?

#216 Irene

Never underestimate the Clintons. They are politically savvy to the nth degree. They'll pull out every last card trick to win and then surprise you with some you've never even seen before.

So you're telling me she's throwin' seven different kinds of smoke...she'll probably have Dupree as a running mate.

/off pop culture reference

I think continuing to make a big deal about Obama being raised a Muslim as a child for a few years may become counter-productive. On the bright side, maybe he can become some kind of a role model for Muslims who want to convert to Christianity.

The biggest problem I see Obama having is a perception that he is all superficial about his political views. Like it all sound good but there is not much there. Like the Peter Sellers character in the movie Being There.

203 po8crg

Mind you, the Islamic historical context doesn't seem to show Islam stopping being a religion of universal conquest, where Judaism was never a religion of universal conquest (just of conquest of one piece of land) and Christianity has largely been about conquering people and not land - and has slowly got better about doing it by persuasion and not force.

The Jewish people having the Nation of Israel is not "conquest."

Oops! Belated welcome to all the new lizards, with a special mention to nyc redneck!

(birds of a feather. . .)

;)

228 loFlyer

you still have not produced any evidence that Christianity is as violent as Islam

That is because I made no such claim. Take your illiteracy to someone more willing to help, I'm not your remedial English tutor.

#227 E2m

I'd think more highly of him if he were a mere opportunist.

A testimony to how low my bar is set, I have to agree with you. In fact, my standards are so low for this next election, I think it may come down to

1) who is least crazy

2) who is less likely to get us all killed

#212 zombie

It might all come down to:

Who will win New York?

Anything's possible, but, so far, no one's ever been elected President without winning at least one southern state.

/I just don't see how Hillary's going to do that

#219 mama winger
I agree, I am a bit of Christian historian and while Christianity has excelled in dialog and reasoned persuasion, winning and losing, it doesn't seem to me that islam cares to discuss. Listening to the Hannity tape lst night it became obvious to me that modern islam is a coward's religion. It's proponent's idea of martyrdom is quite different from the Christian idea. As a Christian I will stand by the tenets of my faith and confess them to my own hurt. islam practices taqiyya and obfuscation. I will give my life to save people, the islamofascists will give their live to kill others. Our God is the God of Abraham, David and Paul, their god is Baal.

220 Killian Bundy - I believe strongly that what I said is true. I even asked the good brother, he didn't deny it. I have not decided on ANY thing yet, except I want a contract with a guarantee I keep salary & health insurance.

That is because I made no such claim. Take your illiteracy to someone more willing to help, I'm not your remedial English tutor.

Urinated Cranky Flakes, anyone?

"The United Church of Christ" church that Obama says that he goes to, has a "Pastor", "Minister", whatever they try and call him, who is a vile, un-Christian viper.

That man spews venomous false doctrine that has nothing to do with the Holy Bible.

The "Pastor" at Obama's curch, is a false prophet, a false teacher, and a teacher of extremely false doctrine.

I hope that several of the "sermons" that I have seen, as well as many others here at LGF, get some national media attention, because one of the episodes that I saw, had Obama's "Pastor" cursing from the pulpit.

The man is a fake, and a viper, and the furthest from from being a Christian, and that is not just my opinion.

#212 zombie

It might all come down to:

Who will win New York?

They're BOTH New Yorkers now. That's a lot of electoral votes.

IMO, it might fall in the lap of my state (Ohio) once again. We recently elected a radically liberal governor, and another to a Senate seat. The state is swelling with retirees and union pensioners who have traditionally voted Dhimmicrat. Younger folks are leaving the state like rats on a sinking barge. If it indeed comes down to Ohio, I firmly believe that The Shrillmeister would comfortably take the state.

I hope I'm horribly wrong, on all counts.

#231 David

The Jewish people having the Nation of Israel is not "conquest."

I don't see it as such. Besides, if it is, than it is prone to conquest, like any other sovereign nation. For example, there were Indians and Mexicans in Texas until we quelled them. Sure, Texas was a conquest, of sorts. And just like the Palis are taking back Israel bit by bit, so are the Mexicans taking back Texas. By deluge.

Nonetheless, in a historical context, I'd answer your question with, "Yes, but so what?"

#227 Earth2moonbat

I think he genuinely hates his mother and his whiteness.

So that's why the Kos Kids love him...they have a lot in common right there.

Eh. Right now, I think he's the 2008 Howard Dean. It's easy to sit around and write online love letters to a candidate; going to the caucus requires logging out, putting on decent clothes, and spending a couple of hours in the company of employed adults.

note that Obama's church declares its allegiance to Africa,not America.

#236 Bill

Our God is the God of Abraham, David and Paul, their god is Baal.

Our God is good and light and love and life. Therein lies the difference. They have only death and darkness to offer. No thanks on that.

#195 Killgore & Baldy,

My Dad, now deceased, was a lawyer. By osmosis, I learned that family inheritance battles were the source material for great numbers of law suits. What's so sad is that when you lift that particular rug, it's usually not solely (or even primarily) about the $$$, but about rivalries for affection etc. - which is why I think it's a good idea to see a religious counselor or psychotherapist before seeking legal help in these sorts of matters. Not many people seem to do that, however. It's all really sad ... but, like Killgore implies, it can be liberating to give up and surrender .. you know, get out of Dodge and into your own, peaceful, life. Just my 12 cents.

A coming war with Iran an ex-Muslim as President......It was on Iran's annual "Jerusalem Day" on October 26,2005,that Ahmadinejad made his famous reference to the need to "wipe Israel off the map." What did not receive the same attention was another part of his speech in whice he said,We are now in the process of an historical war between the World of Arrogance (i.e. the West) and the Islamic world." he then added that "aworld without America and Zionism" is "attainable" Thus Ahmadinejad was talking about a war against the U.S. and its Western allies. DORE GOLD ..The fight for Jerusalem.

He gets it....We are already at war with Iran.

235 Killian - Are you including FL as a Southern state? (I ask cause it has LOTS of Northeasterners now)

#108 po8crg

If you read the Book of Judges, you'll see an awful lot of hate in the Bible. The difference, of course, is that Judges is more than 2000 years earlier and is not part of either the Christian or Jewish faiths as practised today.

You're right, and to go further -- to the extent that the OT God calls for war and destruction against another people it is limited to a particular, historical point in time as God develops His chosen people to implement His plan for the salvation of all. Islam teaches subjection or death of the Other in all places, for all time -- big distinction, that.

#203 mama winger

I do not believe that islam has an exegetical stance. (if I am putting that correctly). By that I mean, there is no systematic theology as in Christianity. There is such a study of Christian apologetics, but in islam I don't think so. There is not a scholarly doctrinal body of thought, compiled by Church fathers and religious thinkers. It is much more seat-of-the-pants type stuff.

Goes with being able to make up shiny new revelations (Hadith) anytime they liked in the early days, which was following in Mohammed's tradition where he pulled a new revelation out of his hat whenever he wanted. If there's any part of Islam where real apologetics and exegesis were done, it would have been Al-Andalus, especially the Caliphate of Cordoba.

So, I set off to look things up and I find Averroes and Avicenna, and serious theological debate. Serious enough that it took Thomas Aquinas to write "Against Averroism".

The Berber invasion of the Caliphate of Cordoba has always seemed the greatest tragedy of Islam to me; it smashed a developing systematisation of Islamic theology.

All those people who talk about Islam needing a Reformation: it needs Scholasticism first.

#234 mama winger

That actually wasn't what I was driving at, but that's also a good point. My point is that I believe him to be a deeply racist and misogynist individual. It wouldn't take much for someone like that to go islamic, because he already has the worst traits of islam.

Baldy

Get yourself a really smart lawyer and do your best to keep your cool. It's going to be tough, but you seem to know that already. Good luck!

#247 Baldy

Are you including FL as a Southern state?

Yep.

/went to Bush twice and he needed it both times

#13

Are you gagging on it? C-8

#229 Imploder

I got the seven kinds of smoke - but not the Dupree reference.

;)

The penalty under well-established shari’a law for apostasy—leaving Islam—is death. How would the world’s 249 gazillion Muslims react to having an American president who is also a Muslim apostate?

Does this mean he'll get my vote...?

/Psyche!

Cartman (#171),

Is it just me, or does Sunday evening seem to have evolved into "trollby (troll/moby) night" here at LGF?

So long as Sunday doesn't become Trilby night, I'm good.

“If your name is Barack Hussein Obama, you can expect it, some of that. I think the majority of voters know that I’m a member of the United Church of Christ, and that I take my faith seriously,” Obama said in an interview with The Associated Press.

He's a member of the UCC? Talk about a moonbatty church. He might as well have told the mullahs that he's gay, and proud of it.

mjbrutus, as a genius and a superior being among us lizards, what exactly is your point? I mean besides acting like an ass?

Thanks Daisy - but I DO own 10% of one company, and currently have a job there (I don;' work much cause I have AIDS and am somewhat disabled) and health insurance. I cannot work anywhere else for a few hours a month and make the living I do. I got paid even when I didn't work for years at a time.

In short,Jerusalem serves as the launching pad for the Mahdi's global jihad at the end of days.Dore Gold...the fight for Jerusalem.

Dore Gold is awake...I wish our leaders were....Obama scares the hell out of me.

#231 DavidJSchwartz

The Jewish people having the Nation of Israel is not "conquest."

I was referring to the conquest in what is known in a Christian Bible as the Book of Joshua from the Canaanites, not any modern event.

I got a syntax error a few minutes ago...not that I understand what that is...and couldn't log on.
Was it something I did wrong?

#254 Irene

I got the seven kinds of smoke - but not the Dupree reference.

From the movie, "You, Me, and Dupree"

Just watched it the other night. Pretty funny. Then again, I like Owen Wilson.

144 Zombie

Start getting used to the words "Madame President."

eeee NO way! Mrs. Clinton will NOT be President. She's already been the co-president.

Can't we all just get along

I'm coming in late to this thread, and someone may have said this before, but I'll say it anyway because this topic drives me nuts.

This article does not say Barack Obama was a Muslim in his childhood. It says he attended a Muslim school. He attended that school for two years. He also attended a Catholic school for two years. These four years of schooling took place between the ages of six and ten. (Has anybody here attended a parochial school w/o being a member of that denomination? Anybody attended a parochial school but is no longer practicing that religion?)

All the rest of his schooling--middle school, high school, college, and law school--took place in schools that either had a Christian heritage (i.e., the high school he attended in Hawaii) or were secular.

The work he did was a community organizer after college was done under the auspices of a group of churches. He chose to become a Christian as an adult.

Is there any evidence that he ever had anything to do with Islam once he left Indonesia at the advanced age of ten?

Sheesh, people. Give it a rest.

And, Charles, I hope you won't be too angry if I say that I believe your headline distorts the contents of the article you cite.

260 Baldy,

Thanks Daisy - but I DO own 10% of one company, and currently have a job there (I don;' work much cause I have AIDS and am somewhat disabled) and health insurance. I cannot work anywhere else for a few hours a month and make the living I do. I got paid even when I didn't work for years at a time.

Gosh, Baldy. Gosh. I can't think of anything to say that wouldn't seem trite.

#93 mama winger

If the TUCC website is any indication, his Christian beliefs aren't even Christian.

I'm with you Mama....Many of the points below do not seem like anything I have ever seen in the Bible. I wonder how much time it will take for

A) Obama to recant the statement he made that he is totally into his church, or,

B) for the Trinity United Church of Christ to change it's web site?

In post #30 above by Earth2moonbat you can read the 12 precepts and covenantal statements (no sense in duplicating them here).

I did copy the Pastor's 10-point vision (right from their web site) here since I do not think anyone else did that above.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Pastor as well as the membership of Trinity United Church of Christ is committed to a 10-point Vision:

1. A congregation committed to ADORATION.

2. A congregation preaching SALVATION.

3. A congregation actively seeking RECONCILIATION.

4. A congregation with a non-negotiable COMMITMENT TO AFRICA.

5. A congregation committed to BIBLICAL EDUCATION.

6. A congregation committed to CULTURAL EDUCATION.

7. A congregation committed to the HISTORICAL EDUCATION OF AFRICAN PEOPLE IN DIASPORA.

8. A congregation committed to LIBERATION.

9. A congregation committed to RESTORATION.

10. A congregation working towards ECONOMIC PARITY

259 loFlyer

mjbrutus, as a genius and a superior being among us lizards, what exactly is your point? I mean besides acting like an ass?

I said it quite plainly that Muslim != terrororist. To you that makes me an ass. That's purely a reflection on you.

241 imploder

The Jewish people having the Nation of Israel is not "conquest."

I don't see it as such. Besides, if it is, than it is prone to conquest, like any other sovereign nation. For example, there were Indians and Mexicans in Texas until we quelled them. Sure, Texas was a conquest, of sorts. And just like the Palis are taking back Israel bit by bit, so are the Mexicans taking back Texas. By deluge.

Nonetheless, in a historical context, I'd answer your question with, "Yes, but so what?"

Yes, I can't argue reality with you. Ownership is determined by force and conquest.

Israel is and was a sovereign nation created by previous ownership, land purchase, self-defense, codification of previous agreements--Balfour, Mandate--et.al.

The Arabs rejected the U.N. Partition plan, inter alia, legally, equitably, chaote, and with International approval the Independence of the Nation/State of Israel.

I guess in degree and kind, yes fighting for what is yours is a form of conquest, if we get extremely technical.

But you're right--Israel is the permanent bone in the throat of the Arabs, Muslims, and Europeans, let them choke on it forever.

267 JustMyView

I'm coming in late to this thread, and someone may have said this before, but I'll say it anyway because this topic drives me nuts.

Aw, come on. You were nuts long before this topic came along.

#21 Killgore Trout

Down with the Israel?

Can just anyone attend a Muslim school?