AP caught red-handed again!

Hate Christians.

Love muslims.

Not to suggest that politicians might ever lie about something

Are you suggesting -- gasp! -- that politicians might lie?

My faith in mankind is shattered!

Waaaaahhh!

Doesnt matter. Dont trust the guy either way.

Hillary loses: America isn't ready for a woman pres.

Barack loses: America isn't ready for a Black pres.

Barack loses: Islamaphobia.

Anything but the issues.

I don't care if his great grand daddy was John the Baptist, he's still a POS to me.

Why is he so afraid of his Muslim roots?

Who cares, like, what religion he is? He's, like, a totally sexy rock star!

/moonbattress waxing political

He was "never a Muslim" with a Muslim father, Muslim name, while being taught in a Muslim school. That's a strangely consistent not-a-Muslim.

I read somewhere that, a month or so ago, ABC sent a reporter to Indonesia to "investigate" the claims that Obama had gone to a "madrassa," and sent back a report saying that he had just gone to a regular school, and that everyone was up in arms over nothing.

But I've never saw that report. Anyone have a link?

Give AP a break. They're saving him from a fatwa.

If Obama gets elected, America will get what she deserves. Much like Hitler who came to power as a sweet talking reformer, so shall Obama.

I AM NOT, repeat AM NOT (the empahsis is for the Kostards who if they see this post will definetly take it out of context) comparing Obama to Hitler, just pointing out the similarities of both of their ascessions to power i.e. the country was asleep at the wheel and let someone in that eventually destroyed the country.

The headaches are already piling up for this empty suit.

Obama's Blog Problem

The AP thing seems like just a little bit of a clarification to me. Obama wasn't a Muslim, apparently, but he did attend a Muslim school.

I say: Hey, let's get focused. The problem isn't the AP's story. The problem isn't even Obama's background -- some of the people I admire most used to be Muslims -- but the problem is Obama's current viewpoint.

There's plenty of ammunition in what he says now, without having to pick nits from news stories or assert that he's stained because he once was involved with Islam, in whatever capacity.

It's Lincoln's B-Day.

You know, that guy that puts his name on all the schools he builds.

No commemoration?

No nationally televised church service?

Elementary school curriculum honoring?

No "What would Lincoln think today" BS?

zombie

Wasn't that report linked then unlinked to the Clinton camp?

Obama's step-dad was a radical muslim. He wouldn't have married his mom if she hadn't converted.

So, we're supposed to believe that his mom and step-dad were muslims and that they were raising a Christian or an agnostic?

Yeah right.

10 Zombie ... I saw a piece like that on CNN a few weeks ago. Anderson Pooper was crowing that "another cable news channel" (FOX) said B.O. went to a madrassa but the CNN report refuted the "other" report. I'm sure if you search CNN.com, you'll find it.

Contemporary accounts of fellow students claim he was devout in his muslim school.
He may claim he is no longer a muslim, but his father was, his step father was.
Here is a set of blog entries by someone who has been asking people who knew Obama in Jakarta. [Link: laotze.blogspot.com...]

People will have to decide if they think that the Obama camp is trying to soften and change the information on Obama connecting him with islamic principles.

zombie

"Obama madrassa" at ABC. Bottom line: nobody knows for sure. And Obama, like everything else related to this subject, is denying even a hint of anything.

Also, yesterday, I saw some very telling quotes from the Hadith about apostasy by children. Some lefties are claiming that the Islamic apostasy rules don't apply to kids under 13. But someone dug up links showing that the shari'a rule actually is:

If a child under 13 at any point is considered a Muslim, and then that child leaves Islam, then he shall be jailed until he is 13, and then killed.

Such leniency! Because an adult would be executed for apostasy immediately.

"in a largely Muslim country"

...

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Zombie & others ... check this out:

[Link: websearch.cnn.com...]

oh...and when do the endless "admit your past mistakes" questions start popping up from the media?

I'm just saying the media are fucking hypocrites, that's all...

#22 Orbit Rain

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Asked and answered. The problem is that some people don't like the answers so they're trying to cloud the issue.

;)

nothing to see here. move along.

IOWA FALLS, Iowa (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday he does not think voters have a litmus test on religion, whether evangelical Christianity or his childhood years in a largely Muslim country. his early childhood years living on a planet where there were Muslim countries.

There ,, I fixed the fix !

Orbit Rain

The press wouldn't want to do anything to tarnish the image of their annointed one....

#20 Beagle
"Obama madrassa" at ABC.

Thanks for the links.

And look what I uncovered! :

In an article at ABC trying to debunk the whole notion that Obama went to a radical madrassa, they let slip this tidbit:

Obama's mother, divorced from Obama's father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.

The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim.

"Senator Obama has never been a Muslim," Gibbs said

R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.

AP = Apostate Protectors

Hey, give the dude a break, willya? No one wants to see the muzzonazis whacking him for being an apostate. I'm sure that's what the AP (arab press) was thinking.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck--it's a duck.

Maybe at the DNC he'll pass out freedom scarves...handkerchiefs that symbolize the struggle of his kin to take over the country...I mean, umm...

Help, AP, cover for me!

14 Cognito 2/12/2007 09:55AM PST

The AP thing seems like just a little bit of a clarification to me. Obama wasn't a Muslim, apparently, but he did attend a Muslim school.

I say: Hey, let's get focused. The problem isn't the AP's story. The problem isn't even Obama's background -- some of the people I admire most used to be Muslims -- but the problem is Obama's current viewpoint.

There's plenty of ammunition in what he says now, without having to pick nits from news stories or assert that he's stained because he once was involved with Islam, in whatever capacity.

You have the same mentality that a LOT of others in this country do. Ignore it and it isn't an issue. If this man can't tell the truth about his childhood, belief system and educational background, how the HELL does he thing he can run this country? Believe it or not, religion has a LOT to do with who people vote for, in many cases. If no one really cared about the past, why did GWB's party days in college or clinton's 'puffed but didn't inhale' business get ramped up so damn high?

"Obama madrassa" doubleplus ungood

#22 Orbit Rain

"in a largely Muslim country"

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim, the child is considered a Muslim. Obama's father was Muslim. When his parents divorced his mother married another Muslim man, a Malaysian. The family moved to Malaysia to live and Obama attended a school which has been referred to as "a madrassa". It is certain that Obama was taught to recite the Muslim creed, "There is no god but...etc" Once somebody has recited that creed he or she is considered, under Sharia, a Muslim. Again, under Sharia, the penalty for the crime of apostacy is death. Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ...

#23 _remembertonyc

Thanks.

Here's the direct link to an article saying his school wasn't technically a "madrassa."

Of course, that fact alone doesn't prove anything. He could still have been a Muslim, and have been considered a Muslim, even if the school he went to was "moderate."

A man with nothing to hide hides nothing.

B .Hussein Obama should know better that once you are in RoP, you can't get out. Apostates are hunted down and killed.

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?

The only curiousity I have about the comparisons regarding the original, versus the revision is that the later is actually presented with a byline. I wonder why?

Karzai bids for peace in furore with London

THE Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, will meet Tony Blair in London this week in an attempt to repair relations with Britain which one diplomat described as “in total tatters”.

The row has meant British officials have been unable to get meetings in the president’s office even though the UK is Afghanistan’s second biggest aid donor, spending £250m a year, as well as having 5,500 troops engaged in heavy fighting in the south.

Some of Karzai’s closest advisers have accused Britain of conspiring with Pakistan to hand over southern Afghanistan. The deputy head of mission at the British embassy was in such a heated argument with the president that it was feared he would be expelled. Karzai’s chief of staff, Jawed Ludin, was forced to resign after his attempts to defend Britain led to accusations that he was a British spy.

The row centres on the continued violence in Helmand province, where British troops are based, and London’s refusal to acknowledge publicly Pakistan’s role in supporting the Taliban. Karzai accuses Britain of “compromising” with Islamabad because of its need for cooperation from Pakistan’s security services to infiltrate terrorist groups involving British Muslims.

#15 Ben Hur 2/12/2007 09:55AM PST

It's Lincoln's B-Day.

You know, that guy that puts his name on all the schools he builds.

No commemoration?

No nationally televised church service?

Elementary school curriculum honoring?

No "What would Lincoln think today" BS?

Well, you know, Lincoln was a Republican.
If Hillary and Obama were on the ticket in '08, I wonder how many good 'ole Southern Democrats would 'cross the aisle'?

35 Kenneth 2/12/2007 10:09AM PST

#22 Orbit Rain

"in a largely Muslim country"

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim, the child is considered a Muslim. Obama's father was Muslim. When his parents divorced his mother married another Muslim man, a Malaysian. The family moved to Malaysia to live and Obama attended a school which has been referred to as "a madrassa". It is certain that Obama was taught to recite the Muslim creed, "There is no god but...etc" Once somebody has recited that creed he or she is considered, under Sharia, a Muslim. Again, under Sharia, the penalty for the crime of apostacy is death. Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ

Robert Spencer on this................

So is Obama under a death sentence? Probably not. As far as I know Obama has never explained when he left Islam and became a Christian. This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. 'Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246). Some, however, hold that he should be imprisoned until he is of age and then "invited" to accept Islam, but officially the death penalty for youthful apostates is ruled out

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

Barack "Aloha Snackbar" Obama.

He's probably moderately muslim
AND
moderately Christian.

Moderately white and moderately not white.

And he wants to be moderately Commander in Chief and moderately cut-and-runner.

Is it clear now ?

O/T, Rudy says gun control reduces crime!

[Link: www3.whdh.com...]

#36 Zombie

Of course, that fact alone doesn't prove anything. He could still have been a Muslim, and have been considered a Muslim, even if the school he went to was "moderate."

Guess we'll have to wait for the Diane Sawyer interview to find out the answer

33 Sponge,

No. You're assuming too much. Of course religion is important. Of course the past is important.

But to say that Obama is somehow stained by past contact with Islam -- even if he was Muslim as a child -- is dishonest, in my opinion. He says he converted. All right. What did he convert to? A weird version of Christianity that seems to have little in common with Christianity in its traditional form. So let's go after him for that: For what he says now, not what some imam might say about him due to his childhood.

Again: Some of the finest people to reach our shores -- I'm thinking specifically of Walid Shoebat and Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- are Muslim apostates. But we judge them by what they say now. Let's do the same for Obama. I'm unafraid that he will hold up under such scrutiny.

If I was moved to another country as a child where the schools were religious and I had to go to them and I knew that the children didn't tolerate children of other religions, I'd probably do my best to fit in too.

zombie (#29),

Ask any muslim. Obama was a muslim the minute he was born.

Doesn't matter what Obama communications director Robert Gibbs says.

#36 zombie

If he recited the Muslim creed, as he was certainly taught to do at the madrassa school, then he is considered a Muslim by the vast majority of Muslims.

So if he now attends the UCC, and his "faith is enormously important to" him as he has said, either he is still a Muslim and is pretending to be a Christian, or he is sincerely a Christian and therefore an apostate.

Obama, as a name, would work so well in the "Name Game" song.

There are quite a few issues with the story:

1) Factual accuracy - which version is correct and accurate? If the latter version is correct, where is the proper correction as per the AP rules (do they even care about the rules anymore? /rhetorical I know)

1a) What is Obama's actual biography? Who is doing the current revising of his bio, and why?

2) If Obama was Muslim at some point, would not his conversion to Christianity whether of his own will or that of his parents present the thorny issue of apostacy that under Islamic law result in a death sentence and a fatwa?

2a) If Obama was, and always has been, Christian, then why hasn't the Obama campaign come out and flatly stated his background (or if they have - why is the AP continuing to have a field day with odd phrasing and wording?)

3) Obama's character has not been tested - leadership? What leadership? Slamming a key ally of the US isn't exactly a sign of leadership.

4) Obama's views on the WoT? Geez, setting exit dates to redeploy from Iraq sounds way too much like the John Murtha wing of the Democrats than most folks would be comfortable dealing with, let alone realizing that such a move would gift Iraq to insurgents, al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, and terrorists the world over on a silver platter.

#22 Orbit Rain 2/12/2007 09:58AM PST

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Why can we not have peace and respect? Jesus hates you Moses hates you - you are the unpeace person!

OT

US provides evidence versus Iran; BBC questions the timing

If you take the claims at face value, the reason is that only now has the evidence become substantial enough to be made public. The number of attacks is said to have grown as well, so that is another explanation put forward for going public now. A trend has been identified about which information should be given.

According to this position, there is nothing sinister about the timing of the claim. It is the result of an evidence-based process which has only now reached the stage of producing a result. And after all, reporters have been asking for this evidence for months.

There are other possibilities as well.

I know this sentiment has been voiced here before, but I personally am not all that concerned with Mr. Obama's candidacy. Despite the ever-growing incompetency that seems to have infiltrated the RNC, I don't see Obama going the distance into 11/08. The man is an apple ripe for the opposition's picking, in terms of personal baggage, credibility and experience.

#35 Kenneth

Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ...

He does, but it's not like the traditional New England Congregational churches. His congregation is the Trinity United CHurch of Christ in Chicago. That's the one that teaches the Black Value System, which includes 'Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".'

#50 Kenneth
This seems to be a big issue. Can't see Saudis, Iranis etc. negotiating with an Apostate.

I don't think we need to worry much about Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Luckily, voters are not quite ready for a black, possibly (obviously) former muslim el presidente.

And Hillary? Hillary Smillary. No Repubs will vote for her and ther are enough sexist Dems to do her in also, not to mention all of the relatives of the people she's had done in, etc. . .

#45 MAddog

From your link:

" ...saying his policies as mayor to get handguns off the street helped reduce crime in New York.

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms." "

#39 Elric66

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?

No. She's more likely to "out" some nuts and bolts from his airplane engine.

Wow.
the AP never ceases to amaze me...

#60 Who Watches the Watchmen? 2/12/2007 10:19AM PST

#39 Elric66

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?
No. She's more likely to "out" some nuts and bolts from his airplane engine

LOL I wouldnt put it past her.

Hey, Hey Hey. Lets keep our focus here, people. Who cares what he was as a kid. Let’s focus on his leadership experience that qualifies him to be President of the United States!
Like…uhmmm. He… ahhhhhmm… Huh. Damn.

Raised as a Muslim you say?

#56 Who Watches the Watchmen ?

That's the one that teaches the Black Value System, which includes 'Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".'

Interesting.
Must be a racist group or something like that...
"KEEP THE AFRICAN AMERICANS POOR !"

/s.t.

Well, I wouldn't any longer based on what I learned about him and his performance as SecState, but in 2000, if Colin Powell had sought the Republican nomination I'd probably have voted for him.

His wife was nervous that as the first Black president, he would be an assasination target, but if he had wanted to be president, he would be now.

Video: D.C. Imam Supporting Terror
Does this surprise me? Not. One. Bit. It's actually audio, but it's on Youtube.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Is Bill Ricahrdson the first hispanic to run for president? Not too much is made of him yet I think he has more experience than either Hillary or Barack.

Irene NYC,

I'm just not aware of what the answers are yet...I haven't read his book...so what is his story age 0-6?

I've been to a number of Christian denominations in my time to know that some have blatantly brainwashed children to division, while others encourage unity and Love..."Muslim" is too generic to automagically assume "brainwashed into hate"...0-6 and not really going to "Church" whatever the faith is interesting...Lefties will read into this too hard and misrepresent what I'm thinking, of course...

...really, the whole point of this thought excursion is to keep the media honest, when it's more profitable for them to do otherwise...

This should be Giulani's internet campaign slogan:

OBAMA...OSAMA.....WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Not to mention the dashikied bongo players coiffed in singed mattress stuffing tending card tables of body oils and incense that will line the entrance of The White House whether Barack Hussein becomes President of Vice-president.

“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that . . . as a black man . . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station,” Michelle Obama said in the interview, set to air Sunday night. “You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.”

#19 SkepticalOne
Here is a set of blog entries by someone who has been asking people who knew Obama in Jakarta. [Link: laotze.blogspot.com...]

Those are some great posts at the LaoTze blog. I wonder why they haven't been given more publicity?

To find out some real background info on this, check out these threads at the LaoTze blog:

Tracking down Obama in Indonesia

Obama and the Audacity of CNN

Obama's Years of Living Dangerously

...and so on. There are dozens of similarly excellent posts!

#63 MNRedvsBlue
Hey, Hey Hey. Lets keep our focus here, people. Who cares what he was as a kid. Let’s focus on his leadership experience that qualifies him to be President of the United States!
Like…uhmmm. He… ahhhhhmm… Huh. Damn.

Raised as a Muslim you say?

that and he is over 35 and a natural born US citizen. Oh, and, um, that Harvard Law Review thing too. Isn't that enough?

Ed,

I've done that a few times.

Obama bama bo-bama
banana mana fo-foma
fe-fi-fo fama
Obama!

Sing along, everybody.

#67 extrabilly
Is Bill Ricahrdson the first hispanic to run for president? Not too much is made of him yet I think he has more experience than either Hillary or Barack.

And che Richardson can do for the rest of the country like he has done for New Mexico, which is now poorer than Mississippi.

#59 P-L

The core issue is Mr. G. thinks gun control reduces crime, there is NO evidence of that, in fact, the trend is toward more violent crime rather than less where more gun control is applied. NewsFlash, the criminals don't turn their guns, thats why they are criminals, they don't obey laws.

Gun control has not made New York a safe city, in fact, if a criminal is armed, he can be reasonably assured his victims will not be, thanks to politicians who think gun control reduces crime.
So the rest of his statement is meaningless to me.

47 cognito.

Again: Some of the finest people to reach our shores -- I'm thinking specifically of Walid Shoebat and Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- are Muslim apostates. But we judge them by what they say now. Let's do the same for Obama. I'm unafraid that he will hold up under such scrutiny.

if Barak Hussein Obama rejected his former religion as thoroughly and as publically as Shoebot and Ali, then maybe you'd have a point. But he hasn't. And it certainly doesn't help that he's connected with a highly questionable [by presidential candidate standards] church today.

Would it be Obama for prez and Hil for VP or vice-versey?

The lazy media love to portray this guy as so sweet and lovable. Yet the time will come soon when he loses his cool and we'll see what he's made of.

I suspect after his campaign goes down in flames we'll beging seeing more of the real Obama.

The ridiculous statements by his racist wife on 60 Minutes last night won't endear them to many. It wouldn't surprise if 20 years from now he's the spiritual heir to Calypso Louie

#52 lawhawk

Thanks for that post. I was thinking some of the same things, but I'm posting from work and don't have time to get into it.

#76 Maddog

But he is the only one who can win against the ones who REALLY want to take away our guns from us.

His statements are in the PAST tense, he's speaking about what he DID in the past.

The fact that he declares that he understands the Second Amendment RIGHTS is the important part.

I often wonder at the need these people feel to deny being Muslim. Is it something to be ashamed of? Something to hide?

I would say no to both of those questions. But the fact there is obviously shame, shows that there is something there to hide.

According to a questionnaire one of our Lizards linked to yesterday, my political proclivities lean towards backing a Duncan Hunter candidacy. I've done some research on the guy, but I don't feel I know much more about him that I did before the inquiries. Any Lizards from CA have an opinion?

#76, maddogg, aggressive gun control, the police being able to search those suspected of carrying, all the police have to do is think you're carrying, has worked in Manhattan. Unfortunately, more crime is now across the rivers in North Jersey, Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx.

It doesn't matter whether we think he's an ex-Muslim, or even whether he himself thinks he's an ex-Muslim. The point is, Muslims will see him as an ex-Muslim, i.e. apostate, and at least a certain percentage of them believe the penalty for that is death. How could he possibly be effective in the War on Terror (a/k/a the war on Islamic extremism) under those circumstances? His policy would be appeasement in an attempt to save his own hide.

#66 storagemanager,

POS immam musa/spit

It was during this period that he also came to know H. Rap Brown (Imam Jamil Al-Amin), who also later converted to Islam. After evading the authorities for several years, Imam Musa was forced to leave the US for Algeria, where he came in contact with several exiled Black Panther leaders such as Eldridge Cleaver and Pete O'Neal, as well as many prominent figures active in the decolonization struggles of African countries. After returning to the US, he turned himself in as a wanted fugitive and was sent to prison. While incarcerated, Imam Musa accepted traditional, orthodox Islam before his release. For many years after his release, the Imam continued his studies of Islam and was a keen observer of the political and social events taking place in the Muslim world

.

Didn't one of the news stories (ABC?) assert that there were/are no radical madrassas in Indonesia?

#77 NoS

Considering that Obama is a member of the moonbatty UCC, he probably wouldn't distance himself from a muslim past.

OT:

Czech president Vaclav Klaus has criticized the UN panel on global warming, claiming that it was a political authority without any scientific basis.

In an interview with "Hospodárské noviny", a Czech economics daily, Klaus answered a few questions:

Q: IPCC has released its report and you say that the global warming is a false myth. How did you get this idea, Mr President?•

A: It's not my idea. Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.• This is clearly such an incredible failure of so many people, from journalists to politicians. If the European Commission is instantly going to buy such a trick, we have another very good reason to think that the countries themselves, not the Commission, should be deciding about similar issues.•

Thank goodness there are some people with their heads on straight out there. I work in the scientific community, and we are supposed to look at things objectively, at all of the evidence, and make an informned conclusion.

So many of my friends and coworkers at the lab just accept what the UN, EC, and Environmental Organizations say without even readung the damn papers!

They sit back and say, "can you deny that the globe is warming?" to which I usually reply, yes, but can you prove we are the cause and that the world will end if the temp goes up a few degrees like the alarmists are saying?

I dont care that they have an opinion on the issue, but what bothers me is that even amongst the scientific community (at least the labs I work in) the absolute anger and shock that they show when anyone questions the global warming agenda.

They never even talk about or read any reports to the contrary. I used to give articles and papers to people with a different take the debate, and they refused to read them and ridiculed me for even questioning the premise.

This truely isnt science.......it is all politics, and the science has been corrupted by the politicans to try and grab more power over the individual.

It is truley sad.....

here is the full interview the guy gave

Marrying a Muslim Man? Read the Fine Print

One of the conditions for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman is that "the Muslim man should be in charge of the family." This includes bringing up their children as good Muslims. What the woman thinks of the choice of religion is completely irrelevant in this regard. She is little more than his servant and a machine for making Muslim babies to expand the Islamic Ummah.

Who are the women of the People of the Book whom Muslims are permitted to marry?

An important condition for marrying a woman of the People of the Book, which every Muslim who wants to marry such a woman in a non-Muslim country should pay attention to. This condition is that he should be in a position where he is not afraid that his child will be forced into kufr.

One of the obvious implications of this in our time is that a Muslim should not put himself in a position where he will be forced to raise his child as a kaafir in a non-Muslim country, where a child may be forced to study something about Christianity, for example, or he may be taken to church on Sundays, or the law may be on the side of the non-Muslim woman, allowing her to take her child wherever she wants and raise him in her family’s religion, etc.

#75 Father_of_10
Oh, are you from New Mexico? I wasn't aware that they were doing so poorly. Tell me more.

#35 Kenneth, thanks for the reply

"Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim"

...yeah, it's funny, the way I've seen it work, women are the drivers of which faith-variant "the children" get brought up in...but your description is as I vaguely recall...if he "spoke the words", some Muslims will consider him an apostate, and use that fact to justify some form of bullshit behavior on their part....

It won't matter anyway...Obama will lose to Giuliani after it's all said and done.

Obama's openly advocating surrender to islamofascists and yet the AP doesn't think its relevant to its readers that he has a muslim background.

Imagine the press hysteria if Mitt Romney were to make an offhand remark that could be interpreted as an endorsement of polygamy. They'd be wringing their panties in mock concern over the prospect of Romney's Mormon faith influencing his policy decisions as president. Yet with Obama, (a) we have an issue that is of central importance to the security of the nation, (b) Obama seems to be in favor of capitulation to our enemy, and (c) he just happens to be a former (?) current (?) never-been (?) muslim and the press doesn't think we need to worry our little heads about it.

Is there any further explanation needed as to why these MSM hacks are hemorrhaging their audience?

When the afghans were fighting the Russians they caught a guy stealing. They decided he'd be worthless as a soldier one-handed so they let him keep it. On the fat chance Obama was made President the musselmen would consider him more useful alive. They issue contradictory fatwas all the time. All mohameddans are supposed to pass through hell, except now for suicide bombers.

What did Obama's wife say on 60 Minutes?

#84 JohnRC
The police search people they suspect, these people are known criminals, for the most part, and cannot own a firearm leagally anyway, that is not gun control, that is plain police work.

Wow you guys sure have a keen eye for AP story corrections.

#56 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Yes, Obama's 'church" seems to be more about "Blackness" than about Christianity.

#44 Poitiers-Lepanto

Obamoderate!

You want issues? I'll give you issues!

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Immigration Lawyers Association 88 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the U.S. Border Control 8 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Federation for American Immigration Reform 0 percent in 2005.

2003-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Better Immigration 14 percent in 2003-2006.

#95, Dirk, she played the race card. Hot Air can explain in less time I could report

more: 2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Criminal Communist Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.

#97 ChenZhen 2/12/2007 10:44AM PST

Wow you guys sure have a keen eye for AP story corrections.

It's known as understanding plain English.

Of course they changed it. Some culturally "sensitive" editor
must have seen it and HIT THE ROOF realizing that their first version alleged "Change of Deen" under sharia law and the possible consequences. They DO NOT want to be responsible for the possible fallout.

-S-

Good day, group -- I'm trying to sort something out, maybe you can help. It seems to me that, according to those in the MSM:

If a Catholic runs for high office, it's ok to ask if he is more loyal to the the teachings of the Church and Pope or to his country and it's laws.

If a Jew runs for high office, it's ok to ask it he is more loyal to Israel or to his country.

If an evangelical or other perceived "faithful Christian" runs for high office, its ok to question how his beliefs and Bible study will impact his policy decisions.

If a Morman runs for high office, it's ok to question -- well, actually, I'm not sure what it's ok to question yet, just that much of the MSM chatter says it could be a problem, so presumably at some point something will be questioned.

If Obama runs for president, it's not ok to question how his upbringing as a Muslim may affect his current worldview? It's apparently not even ok to take a look at the teachings of his current Church -- even though there seems to be plenty there to question -- at least I'm not aware any MSM outlet has done so.

I am, as I often am, very confused.

if Senator B. Hussein Obama gets the democratic nomination in 2008, he might want to consider the fate of Vince Foster if he chooses Hillary as his running mate.

#81 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'll tell you a little secret. All Rudy G. has to do to win the Presidential Election is stop shoveling shit long enough to get NRA endorsement. Its as simple as that.

If not, its gonna be a tough race, IMHO.

#104 ChildOfMary

I am, as I often am, very confused.

Actually, it seems that you understand perfectly.