AP caught red-handed again!

Hate Christians.

Love muslims.

Not to suggest that politicians might ever lie about something

Are you suggesting -- gasp! -- that politicians might lie?

My faith in mankind is shattered!

Waaaaahhh!

Doesnt matter. Dont trust the guy either way.

Hillary loses: America isn't ready for a woman pres.

Barack loses: America isn't ready for a Black pres.

Barack loses: Islamaphobia.

Anything but the issues.

I don't care if his great grand daddy was John the Baptist, he's still a POS to me.

Why is he so afraid of his Muslim roots?

Who cares, like, what religion he is? He's, like, a totally sexy rock star!

/moonbattress waxing political

He was "never a Muslim" with a Muslim father, Muslim name, while being taught in a Muslim school. That's a strangely consistent not-a-Muslim.

I read somewhere that, a month or so ago, ABC sent a reporter to Indonesia to "investigate" the claims that Obama had gone to a "madrassa," and sent back a report saying that he had just gone to a regular school, and that everyone was up in arms over nothing.

But I've never saw that report. Anyone have a link?

Give AP a break. They're saving him from a fatwa.

If Obama gets elected, America will get what she deserves. Much like Hitler who came to power as a sweet talking reformer, so shall Obama.

I AM NOT, repeat AM NOT (the empahsis is for the Kostards who if they see this post will definetly take it out of context) comparing Obama to Hitler, just pointing out the similarities of both of their ascessions to power i.e. the country was asleep at the wheel and let someone in that eventually destroyed the country.

The headaches are already piling up for this empty suit.

Obama's Blog Problem

The AP thing seems like just a little bit of a clarification to me. Obama wasn't a Muslim, apparently, but he did attend a Muslim school.

I say: Hey, let's get focused. The problem isn't the AP's story. The problem isn't even Obama's background -- some of the people I admire most used to be Muslims -- but the problem is Obama's current viewpoint.

There's plenty of ammunition in what he says now, without having to pick nits from news stories or assert that he's stained because he once was involved with Islam, in whatever capacity.

It's Lincoln's B-Day.

You know, that guy that puts his name on all the schools he builds.

No commemoration?

No nationally televised church service?

Elementary school curriculum honoring?

No "What would Lincoln think today" BS?

zombie

Wasn't that report linked then unlinked to the Clinton camp?

Obama's step-dad was a radical muslim. He wouldn't have married his mom if she hadn't converted.

So, we're supposed to believe that his mom and step-dad were muslims and that they were raising a Christian or an agnostic?

Yeah right.

10 Zombie ... I saw a piece like that on CNN a few weeks ago. Anderson Pooper was crowing that "another cable news channel" (FOX) said B.O. went to a madrassa but the CNN report refuted the "other" report. I'm sure if you search CNN.com, you'll find it.

Contemporary accounts of fellow students claim he was devout in his muslim school.
He may claim he is no longer a muslim, but his father was, his step father was.
Here is a set of blog entries by someone who has been asking people who knew Obama in Jakarta. [Link: laotze.blogspot.com...]

People will have to decide if they think that the Obama camp is trying to soften and change the information on Obama connecting him with islamic principles.

zombie

"Obama madrassa" at ABC. Bottom line: nobody knows for sure. And Obama, like everything else related to this subject, is denying even a hint of anything.

Also, yesterday, I saw some very telling quotes from the Hadith about apostasy by children. Some lefties are claiming that the Islamic apostasy rules don't apply to kids under 13. But someone dug up links showing that the shari'a rule actually is:

If a child under 13 at any point is considered a Muslim, and then that child leaves Islam, then he shall be jailed until he is 13, and then killed.

Such leniency! Because an adult would be executed for apostasy immediately.

"in a largely Muslim country"

...

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Zombie & others ... check this out:

[Link: websearch.cnn.com...]

oh...and when do the endless "admit your past mistakes" questions start popping up from the media?

I'm just saying the media are fucking hypocrites, that's all...

#22 Orbit Rain

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Asked and answered. The problem is that some people don't like the answers so they're trying to cloud the issue.

;)

nothing to see here. move along.

IOWA FALLS, Iowa (AP) — Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday he does not think voters have a litmus test on religion, whether evangelical Christianity or his childhood years in a largely Muslim country. his early childhood years living on a planet where there were Muslim countries.

There ,, I fixed the fix !

Orbit Rain

The press wouldn't want to do anything to tarnish the image of their annointed one....

#20 Beagle
"Obama madrassa" at ABC.

Thanks for the links.

And look what I uncovered! :

In an article at ABC trying to debunk the whole notion that Obama went to a radical madrassa, they let slip this tidbit:

Obama's mother, divorced from Obama's father, married a man from Indonesia named Lolo Soetoro, and the family relocated to the country from 1967-71. At first, Obama attended the Catholic school, Fransiskus Assisis, where documents showed he enrolled as a Muslim, the religion of his stepfather.

The document required that each student choose one of five state-sanctioned religions when registering Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Catholic or Protestant. Gibbs said he wasn't sure why the document had Obama listed as a Muslim.

"Senator Obama has never been a Muslim," Gibbs said

R-i-i-i-i-i-i-i-ght.

AP = Apostate Protectors

Hey, give the dude a break, willya? No one wants to see the muzzonazis whacking him for being an apostate. I'm sure that's what the AP (arab press) was thinking.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and talks like a duck--it's a duck.

Maybe at the DNC he'll pass out freedom scarves...handkerchiefs that symbolize the struggle of his kin to take over the country...I mean, umm...

Help, AP, cover for me!

14 Cognito 2/12/2007 09:55AM PST

The AP thing seems like just a little bit of a clarification to me. Obama wasn't a Muslim, apparently, but he did attend a Muslim school.

I say: Hey, let's get focused. The problem isn't the AP's story. The problem isn't even Obama's background -- some of the people I admire most used to be Muslims -- but the problem is Obama's current viewpoint.

There's plenty of ammunition in what he says now, without having to pick nits from news stories or assert that he's stained because he once was involved with Islam, in whatever capacity.

You have the same mentality that a LOT of others in this country do. Ignore it and it isn't an issue. If this man can't tell the truth about his childhood, belief system and educational background, how the HELL does he thing he can run this country? Believe it or not, religion has a LOT to do with who people vote for, in many cases. If no one really cared about the past, why did GWB's party days in college or clinton's 'puffed but didn't inhale' business get ramped up so damn high?

"Obama madrassa" doubleplus ungood

#22 Orbit Rain

"in a largely Muslim country"

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim, the child is considered a Muslim. Obama's father was Muslim. When his parents divorced his mother married another Muslim man, a Malaysian. The family moved to Malaysia to live and Obama attended a school which has been referred to as "a madrassa". It is certain that Obama was taught to recite the Muslim creed, "There is no god but...etc" Once somebody has recited that creed he or she is considered, under Sharia, a Muslim. Again, under Sharia, the penalty for the crime of apostacy is death. Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ...

#23 _remembertonyc

Thanks.

Here's the direct link to an article saying his school wasn't technically a "madrassa."

Of course, that fact alone doesn't prove anything. He could still have been a Muslim, and have been considered a Muslim, even if the school he went to was "moderate."

A man with nothing to hide hides nothing.

B .Hussein Obama should know better that once you are in RoP, you can't get out. Apostates are hunted down and killed.

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?

The only curiousity I have about the comparisons regarding the original, versus the revision is that the later is actually presented with a byline. I wonder why?

Karzai bids for peace in furore with London

THE Afghan president, Hamid Karzai, will meet Tony Blair in London this week in an attempt to repair relations with Britain which one diplomat described as “in total tatters”.

The row has meant British officials have been unable to get meetings in the president’s office even though the UK is Afghanistan’s second biggest aid donor, spending £250m a year, as well as having 5,500 troops engaged in heavy fighting in the south.

Some of Karzai’s closest advisers have accused Britain of conspiring with Pakistan to hand over southern Afghanistan. The deputy head of mission at the British embassy was in such a heated argument with the president that it was feared he would be expelled. Karzai’s chief of staff, Jawed Ludin, was forced to resign after his attempts to defend Britain led to accusations that he was a British spy.

The row centres on the continued violence in Helmand province, where British troops are based, and London’s refusal to acknowledge publicly Pakistan’s role in supporting the Taliban. Karzai accuses Britain of “compromising” with Islamabad because of its need for cooperation from Pakistan’s security services to infiltrate terrorist groups involving British Muslims.

#15 Ben Hur 2/12/2007 09:55AM PST

It's Lincoln's B-Day.

You know, that guy that puts his name on all the schools he builds.

No commemoration?

No nationally televised church service?

Elementary school curriculum honoring?

No "What would Lincoln think today" BS?

Well, you know, Lincoln was a Republican.
If Hillary and Obama were on the ticket in '08, I wonder how many good 'ole Southern Democrats would 'cross the aisle'?

35 Kenneth 2/12/2007 10:09AM PST

#22 Orbit Rain

"in a largely Muslim country"

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim, the child is considered a Muslim. Obama's father was Muslim. When his parents divorced his mother married another Muslim man, a Malaysian. The family moved to Malaysia to live and Obama attended a school which has been referred to as "a madrassa". It is certain that Obama was taught to recite the Muslim creed, "There is no god but...etc" Once somebody has recited that creed he or she is considered, under Sharia, a Muslim. Again, under Sharia, the penalty for the crime of apostacy is death. Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ

Robert Spencer on this................

So is Obama under a death sentence? Probably not. As far as I know Obama has never explained when he left Islam and became a Christian. This is a crucial point, for according to Islamic law an apostate male is not to be put to death if he has not reached puberty (cf. 'Umdat al-Salik o8.2; Hidayah vol. II p. 246). Some, however, hold that he should be imprisoned until he is of age and then "invited" to accept Islam, but officially the death penalty for youthful apostates is ruled out

[Link: jihadwatch.org...]

Barack "Aloha Snackbar" Obama.

He's probably moderately muslim
AND
moderately Christian.

Moderately white and moderately not white.

And he wants to be moderately Commander in Chief and moderately cut-and-runner.

Is it clear now ?

O/T, Rudy says gun control reduces crime!

[Link: www3.whdh.com...]

#36 Zombie

Of course, that fact alone doesn't prove anything. He could still have been a Muslim, and have been considered a Muslim, even if the school he went to was "moderate."

Guess we'll have to wait for the Diane Sawyer interview to find out the answer

33 Sponge,

No. You're assuming too much. Of course religion is important. Of course the past is important.

But to say that Obama is somehow stained by past contact with Islam -- even if he was Muslim as a child -- is dishonest, in my opinion. He says he converted. All right. What did he convert to? A weird version of Christianity that seems to have little in common with Christianity in its traditional form. So let's go after him for that: For what he says now, not what some imam might say about him due to his childhood.

Again: Some of the finest people to reach our shores -- I'm thinking specifically of Walid Shoebat and Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- are Muslim apostates. But we judge them by what they say now. Let's do the same for Obama. I'm unafraid that he will hold up under such scrutiny.

If I was moved to another country as a child where the schools were religious and I had to go to them and I knew that the children didn't tolerate children of other religions, I'd probably do my best to fit in too.

zombie (#29),

Ask any muslim. Obama was a muslim the minute he was born.

Doesn't matter what Obama communications director Robert Gibbs says.

#36 zombie

If he recited the Muslim creed, as he was certainly taught to do at the madrassa school, then he is considered a Muslim by the vast majority of Muslims.

So if he now attends the UCC, and his "faith is enormously important to" him as he has said, either he is still a Muslim and is pretending to be a Christian, or he is sincerely a Christian and therefore an apostate.

Obama, as a name, would work so well in the "Name Game" song.

There are quite a few issues with the story:

1) Factual accuracy - which version is correct and accurate? If the latter version is correct, where is the proper correction as per the AP rules (do they even care about the rules anymore? /rhetorical I know)

1a) What is Obama's actual biography? Who is doing the current revising of his bio, and why?

2) If Obama was Muslim at some point, would not his conversion to Christianity whether of his own will or that of his parents present the thorny issue of apostacy that under Islamic law result in a death sentence and a fatwa?

2a) If Obama was, and always has been, Christian, then why hasn't the Obama campaign come out and flatly stated his background (or if they have - why is the AP continuing to have a field day with odd phrasing and wording?)

3) Obama's character has not been tested - leadership? What leadership? Slamming a key ally of the US isn't exactly a sign of leadership.

4) Obama's views on the WoT? Geez, setting exit dates to redeploy from Iraq sounds way too much like the John Murtha wing of the Democrats than most folks would be comfortable dealing with, let alone realizing that such a move would gift Iraq to insurgents, al Qaeda, Iran, Syria, and terrorists the world over on a silver platter.

#22 Orbit Rain 2/12/2007 09:58AM PST

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

Why can we not have peace and respect? Jesus hates you Moses hates you - you are the unpeace person!

OT

US provides evidence versus Iran; BBC questions the timing

If you take the claims at face value, the reason is that only now has the evidence become substantial enough to be made public. The number of attacks is said to have grown as well, so that is another explanation put forward for going public now. A trend has been identified about which information should be given.

According to this position, there is nothing sinister about the timing of the claim. It is the result of an evidence-based process which has only now reached the stage of producing a result. And after all, reporters have been asking for this evidence for months.

There are other possibilities as well.

I know this sentiment has been voiced here before, but I personally am not all that concerned with Mr. Obama's candidacy. Despite the ever-growing incompetency that seems to have infiltrated the RNC, I don't see Obama going the distance into 11/08. The man is an apple ripe for the opposition's picking, in terms of personal baggage, credibility and experience.

#35 Kenneth

Obama says he attends the United Chirch of Christ...

He does, but it's not like the traditional New England Congregational churches. His congregation is the Trinity United CHurch of Christ in Chicago. That's the one that teaches the Black Value System, which includes 'Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".'

#50 Kenneth
This seems to be a big issue. Can't see Saudis, Iranis etc. negotiating with an Apostate.

I don't think we need to worry much about Barack HUSSEIN Obama. Luckily, voters are not quite ready for a black, possibly (obviously) former muslim el presidente.

And Hillary? Hillary Smillary. No Repubs will vote for her and ther are enough sexist Dems to do her in also, not to mention all of the relatives of the people she's had done in, etc. . .

#45 MAddog

From your link:

" ...saying his policies as mayor to get handguns off the street helped reduce crime in New York.

"I used gun control as mayor," he said at a news conference Saturday during a swing through California. But "I understand the Second Amendment. I understand the right to bear arms." "

#39 Elric66

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?

No. She's more likely to "out" some nuts and bolts from his airplane engine.

Wow.
the AP never ceases to amaze me...

#60 Who Watches the Watchmen? 2/12/2007 10:19AM PST

#39 Elric66

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?
No. She's more likely to "out" some nuts and bolts from his airplane engine

LOL I wouldnt put it past her.

Hey, Hey Hey. Lets keep our focus here, people. Who cares what he was as a kid. Let’s focus on his leadership experience that qualifies him to be President of the United States!
Like…uhmmm. He… ahhhhhmm… Huh. Damn.

Raised as a Muslim you say?

#56 Who Watches the Watchmen ?

That's the one that teaches the Black Value System, which includes 'Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness".'

Interesting.
Must be a racist group or something like that...
"KEEP THE AFRICAN AMERICANS POOR !"

/s.t.

Well, I wouldn't any longer based on what I learned about him and his performance as SecState, but in 2000, if Colin Powell had sought the Republican nomination I'd probably have voted for him.

His wife was nervous that as the first Black president, he would be an assasination target, but if he had wanted to be president, he would be now.

Video: D.C. Imam Supporting Terror
Does this surprise me? Not. One. Bit. It's actually audio, but it's on Youtube.

[Link: mypetjawa.mu.nu...]

Is Bill Ricahrdson the first hispanic to run for president? Not too much is made of him yet I think he has more experience than either Hillary or Barack.

Irene NYC,

I'm just not aware of what the answers are yet...I haven't read his book...so what is his story age 0-6?

I've been to a number of Christian denominations in my time to know that some have blatantly brainwashed children to division, while others encourage unity and Love..."Muslim" is too generic to automagically assume "brainwashed into hate"...0-6 and not really going to "Church" whatever the faith is interesting...Lefties will read into this too hard and misrepresent what I'm thinking, of course...

...really, the whole point of this thought excursion is to keep the media honest, when it's more profitable for them to do otherwise...

This should be Giulani's internet campaign slogan:

OBAMA...OSAMA.....WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE?

Not to mention the dashikied bongo players coiffed in singed mattress stuffing tending card tables of body oils and incense that will line the entrance of The White House whether Barack Hussein becomes President of Vice-president.

“I don’t lose sleep over it because the realities are that . . . as a black man . . . Barack can get shot going to the gas station,” Michelle Obama said in the interview, set to air Sunday night. “You can’t make decisions based on fear and the possibility of what might happen.”

#19 SkepticalOne
Here is a set of blog entries by someone who has been asking people who knew Obama in Jakarta. [Link: laotze.blogspot.com...]

Those are some great posts at the LaoTze blog. I wonder why they haven't been given more publicity?

To find out some real background info on this, check out these threads at the LaoTze blog:

Tracking down Obama in Indonesia

Obama and the Audacity of CNN

Obama's Years of Living Dangerously

...and so on. There are dozens of similarly excellent posts!

#63 MNRedvsBlue
Hey, Hey Hey. Lets keep our focus here, people. Who cares what he was as a kid. Let’s focus on his leadership experience that qualifies him to be President of the United States!
Like…uhmmm. He… ahhhhhmm… Huh. Damn.

Raised as a Muslim you say?

that and he is over 35 and a natural born US citizen. Oh, and, um, that Harvard Law Review thing too. Isn't that enough?

Ed,

I've done that a few times.

Obama bama bo-bama
banana mana fo-foma
fe-fi-fo fama
Obama!

Sing along, everybody.

#67 extrabilly
Is Bill Ricahrdson the first hispanic to run for president? Not too much is made of him yet I think he has more experience than either Hillary or Barack.

And che Richardson can do for the rest of the country like he has done for New Mexico, which is now poorer than Mississippi.

#59 P-L

The core issue is Mr. G. thinks gun control reduces crime, there is NO evidence of that, in fact, the trend is toward more violent crime rather than less where more gun control is applied. NewsFlash, the criminals don't turn their guns, thats why they are criminals, they don't obey laws.

Gun control has not made New York a safe city, in fact, if a criminal is armed, he can be reasonably assured his victims will not be, thanks to politicians who think gun control reduces crime.
So the rest of his statement is meaningless to me.

47 cognito.

Again: Some of the finest people to reach our shores -- I'm thinking specifically of Walid Shoebat and Ayaan Hirsi Ali -- are Muslim apostates. But we judge them by what they say now. Let's do the same for Obama. I'm unafraid that he will hold up under such scrutiny.

if Barak Hussein Obama rejected his former religion as thoroughly and as publically as Shoebot and Ali, then maybe you'd have a point. But he hasn't. And it certainly doesn't help that he's connected with a highly questionable [by presidential candidate standards] church today.

Would it be Obama for prez and Hil for VP or vice-versey?

The lazy media love to portray this guy as so sweet and lovable. Yet the time will come soon when he loses his cool and we'll see what he's made of.

I suspect after his campaign goes down in flames we'll beging seeing more of the real Obama.

The ridiculous statements by his racist wife on 60 Minutes last night won't endear them to many. It wouldn't surprise if 20 years from now he's the spiritual heir to Calypso Louie

#52 lawhawk

Thanks for that post. I was thinking some of the same things, but I'm posting from work and don't have time to get into it.

#76 Maddog

But he is the only one who can win against the ones who REALLY want to take away our guns from us.

His statements are in the PAST tense, he's speaking about what he DID in the past.

The fact that he declares that he understands the Second Amendment RIGHTS is the important part.

I often wonder at the need these people feel to deny being Muslim. Is it something to be ashamed of? Something to hide?

I would say no to both of those questions. But the fact there is obviously shame, shows that there is something there to hide.

According to a questionnaire one of our Lizards linked to yesterday, my political proclivities lean towards backing a Duncan Hunter candidacy. I've done some research on the guy, but I don't feel I know much more about him that I did before the inquiries. Any Lizards from CA have an opinion?

#76, maddogg, aggressive gun control, the police being able to search those suspected of carrying, all the police have to do is think you're carrying, has worked in Manhattan. Unfortunately, more crime is now across the rivers in North Jersey, Queens, Brooklyn, the Bronx.

It doesn't matter whether we think he's an ex-Muslim, or even whether he himself thinks he's an ex-Muslim. The point is, Muslims will see him as an ex-Muslim, i.e. apostate, and at least a certain percentage of them believe the penalty for that is death. How could he possibly be effective in the War on Terror (a/k/a the war on Islamic extremism) under those circumstances? His policy would be appeasement in an attempt to save his own hide.

Didn't one of the news stories (ABC?) assert that there were/are no radical madrassas in Indonesia?

#77 NoS

Considering that Obama is a member of the moonbatty UCC, he probably wouldn't distance himself from a muslim past.

OT:

Czech president Vaclav Klaus has criticized the UN panel on global warming, claiming that it was a political authority without any scientific basis.

In an interview with "Hospodárské noviny", a Czech economics daily, Klaus answered a few questions:

Q: IPCC has released its report and you say that the global warming is a false myth. How did you get this idea, Mr President?•

A: It's not my idea. Global warming is a false myth and every serious person and scientist says so. It is not fair to refer to the U.N. panel. IPCC is not a scientific institution: it's a political body, a sort of non-government organization of green flavor. It's neither a forum of neutral scientists nor a balanced group of scientists. These people are politicized scientists who arrive there with a one-sided opinion and a one-sided assignment. Also, it's an undignified slapstick that people don't wait for the full report in May 2007 but instead respond, in such a serious way, to the summary for policymakers where all the "but's" are scratched, removed, and replaced by oversimplified theses.• This is clearly such an incredible failure of so many people, from journalists to politicians. If the European Commission is instantly going to buy such a trick, we have another very good reason to think that the countries themselves, not the Commission, should be deciding about similar issues.•

Thank goodness there are some people with their heads on straight out there. I work in the scientific community, and we are supposed to look at things objectively, at all of the evidence, and make an informned conclusion.

So many of my friends and coworkers at the lab just accept what the UN, EC, and Environmental Organizations say without even readung the damn papers!

They sit back and say, "can you deny that the globe is warming?" to which I usually reply, yes, but can you prove we are the cause and that the world will end if the temp goes up a few degrees like the alarmists are saying?

I dont care that they have an opinion on the issue, but what bothers me is that even amongst the scientific community (at least the labs I work in) the absolute anger and shock that they show when anyone questions the global warming agenda.

They never even talk about or read any reports to the contrary. I used to give articles and papers to people with a different take the debate, and they refused to read them and ridiculed me for even questioning the premise.

This truely isnt science.......it is all politics, and the science has been corrupted by the politicans to try and grab more power over the individual.

It is truley sad.....

here is the full interview the guy gave

Marrying a Muslim Man? Read the Fine Print

One of the conditions for a Muslim man to marry a Christian or Jewish woman is that "the Muslim man should be in charge of the family." This includes bringing up their children as good Muslims. What the woman thinks of the choice of religion is completely irrelevant in this regard. She is little more than his servant and a machine for making Muslim babies to expand the Islamic Ummah.

Who are the women of the People of the Book whom Muslims are permitted to marry?

An important condition for marrying a woman of the People of the Book, which every Muslim who wants to marry such a woman in a non-Muslim country should pay attention to. This condition is that he should be in a position where he is not afraid that his child will be forced into kufr.

One of the obvious implications of this in our time is that a Muslim should not put himself in a position where he will be forced to raise his child as a kaafir in a non-Muslim country, where a child may be forced to study something about Christianity, for example, or he may be taken to church on Sundays, or the law may be on the side of the non-Muslim woman, allowing her to take her child wherever she wants and raise him in her family’s religion, etc.

#75 Father_of_10
Oh, are you from New Mexico? I wasn't aware that they were doing so poorly. Tell me more.

#35 Kenneth, thanks for the reply

"Under Sharia, if a child's father was a Muslim"

...yeah, it's funny, the way I've seen it work, women are the drivers of which faith-variant "the children" get brought up in...but your description is as I vaguely recall...if he "spoke the words", some Muslims will consider him an apostate, and use that fact to justify some form of bullshit behavior on their part....

It won't matter anyway...Obama will lose to Giuliani after it's all said and done.

Obama's openly advocating surrender to islamofascists and yet the AP doesn't think its relevant to its readers that he has a muslim background.

Imagine the press hysteria if Mitt Romney were to make an offhand remark that could be interpreted as an endorsement of polygamy. They'd be wringing their panties in mock concern over the prospect of Romney's Mormon faith influencing his policy decisions as president. Yet with Obama, (a) we have an issue that is of central importance to the security of the nation, (b) Obama seems to be in favor of capitulation to our enemy, and (c) he just happens to be a former (?) current (?) never-been (?) muslim and the press doesn't think we need to worry our little heads about it.

Is there any further explanation needed as to why these MSM hacks are hemorrhaging their audience?

When the afghans were fighting the Russians they caught a guy stealing. They decided he'd be worthless as a soldier one-handed so they let him keep it. On the fat chance Obama was made President the musselmen would consider him more useful alive. They issue contradictory fatwas all the time. All mohameddans are supposed to pass through hell, except now for suicide bombers.

What did Obama's wife say on 60 Minutes?

#84 JohnRC
The police search people they suspect, these people are known criminals, for the most part, and cannot own a firearm leagally anyway, that is not gun control, that is plain police work.

Wow you guys sure have a keen eye for AP story corrections.

#56 Who Watches the Watchmen?

Yes, Obama's 'church" seems to be more about "Blackness" than about Christianity.

#44 Poitiers-Lepanto

Obamoderate!

You want issues? I'll give you issues!

2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Immigration Lawyers Association 88 percent in 2006.

2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the U.S. Border Control 8 percent in 2005-2006.

2005 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Federation for American Immigration Reform 0 percent in 2005.

2003-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the Americans for Better Immigration 14 percent in 2003-2006.

#95, Dirk, she played the race card. Hot Air can explain in less time I could report

more: 2005-2006 Senator Obama supported the interests of the American Criminal Communist Civil Liberties Union 83 percent in 2005-2006.

#97 ChenZhen 2/12/2007 10:44AM PST

Wow you guys sure have a keen eye for AP story corrections.

It's known as understanding plain English.

Of course they changed it. Some culturally "sensitive" editor
must have seen it and HIT THE ROOF realizing that their first version alleged "Change of Deen" under sharia law and the possible consequences. They DO NOT want to be responsible for the possible fallout.

-S-

Good day, group -- I'm trying to sort something out, maybe you can help. It seems to me that, according to those in the MSM:

If a Catholic runs for high office, it's ok to ask if he is more loyal to the the teachings of the Church and Pope or to his country and it's laws.

If a Jew runs for high office, it's ok to ask it he is more loyal to Israel or to his country.

If an evangelical or other perceived "faithful Christian" runs for high office, its ok to question how his beliefs and Bible study will impact his policy decisions.

If a Morman runs for high office, it's ok to question -- well, actually, I'm not sure what it's ok to question yet, just that much of the MSM chatter says it could be a problem, so presumably at some point something will be questioned.

If Obama runs for president, it's not ok to question how his upbringing as a Muslim may affect his current worldview? It's apparently not even ok to take a look at the teachings of his current Church -- even though there seems to be plenty there to question -- at least I'm not aware any MSM outlet has done so.

I am, as I often am, very confused.

if Senator B. Hussein Obama gets the democratic nomination in 2008, he might want to consider the fate of Vince Foster if he chooses Hillary as his running mate.

#81 Poitiers-Lepanto

I'll tell you a little secret. All Rudy G. has to do to win the Presidential Election is stop shoveling shit long enough to get NRA endorsement. Its as simple as that.

If not, its gonna be a tough race, IMHO.

#104 ChildOfMary

I am, as I often am, very confused.

Actually, it seems that you understand perfectly.

#96, maddogg, you're right, but, even in the old west didn't they have to check their guns with the sheriff? Check your guns at The Lincoln Tunnel. It's wall to wall people, too many people that can get hit by stray bullets if everyone's packin'. It's a balancing act in the cities. I live outside of Philadelphia, but I must say I feel safer in Manhattan than I do in center city Philadelphia.

I have a question as to if anyone under about the age of 8 can be anything in regards to religion or philosophy. You just go through the actions of what mom and dad do, no more, no less.

Mr. Obama should be judged on his other merits or lack thereof.

Noon Update on DC Disaster

Hard to tell for sure with 12 hour intervals, but I think 12Z UKMET supports general idea that would drop boatloads of ice on DCA, BWI and PHL after starting as snow, maybe with temps briefly rising above freezing, which cuts back dramatic effect, or maybe not, with Cat 2 Hurricane type damage from trees and powerlines down over a 200 km stretch. NYC would go all liquid rain for a while, BOS may briefly change rain, but would change back to snow in time to get at least enough (six inches, 15 cm) for a day off school following day, with inland areas of Westchester County, Connecticut inland from I-95 and areas outside I-495 corridor near Worcester also seeing either enough ice to be fun, or sleet to cut down on snow accumulations, but make the snow extra crunchy.

Canadian is also all over an ice storm for Washington, DC. Both models seem to leave Bay Shore, NY out of the fun, with an extended period of rain with above freezing surface temps, and I do feel sorry for all the kids going to St. John the Baptist High School who may miss out on a snow day, but my elderly aunts might prefer just a rain storm. Looks like NYC itself may mix with sleet and rain, but be mostly snow. If our friends at Environment Canada are correct. Well, even where an extended period of rain falls on Long Island, winds could gust to hurricane force in scattered embedded thunderstorms, so maybe a few school districts will cancel classes. Not the Diocese of Rockville Center, if I had to guess.

GFS isn't that much different than others, but a little weird in the way it stretches out the secondary low, which may be wrong, and a little more liquid, a little less freezing rain and snow for cities, such that this isn't a storm people talk about in 10 years as the Blizzard of '07.

NAM has a wonderful snowstorm with some ice at the Southern edge, but only for people 50 miles or so in from the coast. Entire I-95 corridor quickly goes to rain. But I liked the old ETA model that was the NAM better than the WRF.

Some good news from my subscription to Joe Bastardi

Joe Bastardi believes the US models (NAM and GFS) don't properly resolve the low level, very shallow, but very dense Arctic air behind the surface front, so that instead of a change to liquid rain, there is an extended period in DCA, BWI and PHL, maybe all the way to the coast at EWR and LGA, and up towards BOS, extending inland a ways, where profiles warm enough for liquid rain, except right near the surface, or the snow-ice-snow damage with crippling amounts of snow.

Current axis of severe storms is East of Houston, but it'd only take a little sun to recharge the atmosphere for a second, more devastating, round.

Some breaks in the clouds trying to form ahead of the new area of storms forming in the I-95 corridor.

#108 JohnRC

#96, maddogg, you're right, but, even in the old west didn't they have to check their guns with the sheriff?

Generally, yes, as openly carrying a firearm while drinking and gambling was considered a provocation and a temptation.

Now, wouldn't you feel safer with the friendly weight of concealed revolver in your coat, even in Philly?

I go to gun shows, hundreds of people walking around thousands of firearms, usually 1 (one) cop there, and he's shopping too. Does that imply anything?

#104, Child of Mary, you're supposed to ask a Mormon how many wives will he bring with him. Guilliani/Romney, sounds good to me.

#38 greg. the RoP is kinda like the Mafia like that. once you get in, there is no getting out.

Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth? .YES - AND SHE WILL USE THE RIGHT WING BLOGS TO DO IT!

#103 Dr. Shalit 2/12/2007 10:51AM PST

Of course they changed it. Some culturally "sensitive" editor
must have seen it and HIT THE ROOF realizing that their first version alleged "Change of Deen" under sharia law and the possible consequences. They DO NOT want to be responsible for the possible fallout.

Unless it's the Pope speaking in German somewhere quoting what another Pope said centuries ago.

#111, maddog, you're preaching to the choir. I guess I should only speak of myself, I'm a little quick to anger and have been known to say, 'dam, the people you run into, or run into to you, when you don't have a gun'.

Dial 911, call the police, we have a student exercising freedom of speech!

/Cambridge thought police

#117 Oops, wrong thread.

#93 cicero05 2/12/2007 10:40AM PST

Obama's openly advocating surrender to islamofascists ...

Or, he's confident that we'll achieve glorious victory by March '08.

Welcome to 1984 and the memory slot.

Good thing Charles started this blog.

Thanks, Charles

#114 mjazzguitar
"mjazz"-

True, but Obama is a friend - the Pope, probably not.

-S-

Yeppers, the Barack AND Hilary call for the USA to be completely out of Iraq before "they take office" reminds me of those All-Star Wrestling shows in the 70's touting "A fight to the finish....with a 15 minute time limit..."

77 NoSubmission,

But he hasn't. And it certainly doesn't help that he's connected with a highly questionable [by presidential candidate standards] church today.

Exactly my point -- let's judge him for what he says and does.

Hey - has anyone ever seen pics of Obama's mama?

Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama said Sunday he does not think voters have a litmus test on religion, whether evangelical Christianity or his childhood years in a largely Muslim country.

How are these two even related? One's religion is not geography-dependent. My sister lived in the Middle East as a teenager. It didn't make her a muslim. Many people live in countries where they are not in the religious majority. How would growing up in a Muslim country qualify as a religious litmus test?

If Barack Obama really said what he is quoted as saying here, he's fairly dumb.

Or the AP re-writer is.

Or both.

Asked and answered.

Scroll down - you can't miss it.
[Link: www.pbs.org...]

What I am fumbling arouond trying to say is that only actually being a muslim would get you qualified for the religious litmus test. Not merely living in a muslim country. Either he is or he isn't. Was or he wasn't.

#129 mama winger 2/12/2007 11:46AM PST

What I am fumbling arouond trying to say is that only actually being a muslim would get you qualified for the religious litmus test. Not merely living in a muslim country. Either he is or he isn't. Was or he wasn't.

I'm beginning to believe that if its not spelled out in plain language, you can't expect the majority of Americans to come up with it using their own logic.

We are killing off independant, critical thought.

#83 cartman (if you're still around)

in one of yesterday's threads, a CA lizard said that he was very involved with his constituents and garnered wide support when he got a fence built between san diego and tijuana.

i LOVE this guy! DUNCAN HUNTER

and, by the way, regarding hunter's seemingly slim chances right now:

i had never heard of bill clinton before he ran for president!

hunter is a great candidate because he is very Reaganesque in his beliefs... very appealing to many repubs who have been feeling disenfranchised. his commitment to the common man with his FAIR (not FREE) trade policies, especially in regards to China, should serve him well with the middle class and possibly even the unions.

he IS electable!

"I am an imperfect vessel for your hopes and dreams," Obama told the crowd during a raucous rally at the arena of the University of Illinois at Chicago.

You got that right.

What makes this fraud think that defining himself as imperfect will make us believe he is modest and humble? It's a similar statement to the one in which Obama said he was proud of the fact that he was criticized by "Bush's ally" Australian PM John Howard.

So, if all the Kennedy's won't vote for her, there's no way she wins.

#60 Who Watches the Watchmen? 2/12/2007 10:19AM PS
#39 Elric66
Can we count on Hillary to out Obama's Muslim youth?
No. She's more likely to "out" some nuts and bolts from his airplane engine

#127 mama winger

If Barack Obama really said what he is quoted as saying here, he's fairly dumb.

Well, he didn't sound particularly bright when he responded to Prime Minister Howard yesterday.

Guilliani/Bolton better.

#112 JohnRC 2/12/2007 11:02AM PST

#104, Child of Mary, you're supposed to ask a Mormon how many wives will he bring with him. Guilliani/Romney, sounds good to me.

I thought the whole idea for long lead times for Presidential candidates was to allow the opportunity for serious investigative reporting into their background. I recall in a prior election that a candidate for Vice President had to pull out when it was uncovered that he had previously undergone psychiatric treatment (ah, if only that were a pre-requisite).

With Obama, however, the press seems to be going out of its way to avoid following up on some really serious quetions about his background. The minute they get close to anything remotely critical, the push back begins and that subject suddenly becomes off limits.

We need answers about this guy's real background.

#137
The answers will come when Shrillary decides it's time for the takedown... then we won't be able to turn on the news without hearing the MSM tear him apart like starving wolves over a deer carcass...

I am sick of these people who are trying to run for office getting shouted down by nutbags while they are trying to give a speech they have a right to ONLY to turn right around and say..oh those people have a RIGHT to do that.

Yes, they do have a right to protest, but it is not a right to interrupt and shout down a valid speech. Why do these people who run seem to think it's the cool to grant these guys permission to be nutbags? That is a rhetorical question, I already know the answer..just chaps me.

I am not one who wishes to hear obama speak but I do recognize his right to give a speech as long as it's not inciteful and hateful. Granted his words are stupid and not sounding like democracy imo.

132 blue_like_jazz 2/12/2007 11:58AM PST

and, by the way, regarding hunter's seemingly slim chances right now:

i had never heard of bill clinton before he ran for president!

Yup it is WAY early yet. We still may get other good candidates that come up. Not good to settle just yet.

#49 Geepers zombie (#29)

Ask any muslim. Obama was a muslim the minute he was born.

We are all Muslims, it is our natural state, but there are many apostates claiming to follow obsolete or blasphemous religions. That is why there are no converts to Islam, only reverts.

Google turns up:
[Link: english.islamway.com...]

If Obama would explicitly dismiss that argument, I would gain my first respect for him.

So if Obama was a Muslim and turned away from the Islamic faith to, I dunno... whatever.
Doesn't that make him the very definition of an Islamic Apostate?

Apostates are huge security risks because they are marked for death. Any Muslim in the world would be justified by their own religion for killing him.

It does explain the imam at the DNC, though, if he is a stealth Muslim.

#17 Irene NYC

Obama's step-dad was a radical muslim. He wouldn't have married his mom if she hadn't converted.

What is your source on this? Obama has said that his mother was not religious at all--that he was raised in a secular household.

#132 blue

I agree with you on Duncan Hunter -- he is top notch! He was about a decade ahead of most of his colleagues on the trade issue, being a strong leader against NAFTA. Plus, he takes no prisoners on defense, borders and sovereignty.

Obama is an empty suit with zero ideas and zero balls when it comes to national security.

He would be a disaster for the country

We need leaders who understand the threats facing our nation

Not slick talking hucksters floating on a cloud of their own self importance

Great choice for the DNC: Hillary the Menopausal Witch
or Barack the Stealth Muslim.

I would have no problem with the AP changing the story to protect anyone from a fatwa IF they would also reveal WHY THEY HAD TO CHANGE THE STORY!

One side of the mouth moves to claim that muslims are not a threat while the other side claims they had to break journalistic ethics in order to protect someone from the muslim threat.

/whatever suits their agenda and purpose

#110 Ed of many names

Here in the Shenandoah Valley, they keep changing predictions from one inch and then another inch of ice. Next hour they say three to four inches. Then back to one inch, the next.

And they want me to believe they KNOW what GLOBAL WARMING will do in the next 50-100 years. Still ROTFLMAO

#10 zombie

I read somewhere that, a month or so ago, ABC sent a reporter to Indonesia to "investigate" the claims that Obama had gone to a "madrassa," and sent back a report saying that he had just gone to a regular school, and that everyone was up in arms over nothing.

As others have pointed out, this story was debunked by both CNN and ABC, who sent reporters to the school. It is not a madrassah now and never has been. (Consider: Radical Islam was not really a huge problem in the mid-1960s to early 1970s when Obama was in Indonesia.) I wasn't able to find it online, but there's a picture of his class in circulation. There are both boys and girls in the class, and they are wearing Western clothes. One of his classmates, who is quoted in the ABC story, is also quoted in AsiaMedia as having said that the girls at the school wore mini-skirts.

The original story appeared on a web site called Insight, which is owned by the Washington Times. However, the Times, which is generally a conservative paper, apparently does not have editorial control of Insight, and the Times editors have decried the story and disassociated themselves from it. Moreover, a Fox VP (the Insight story got into the news after it was cited on Fox) has also disassociated the network from the story.

The Washington Times, which is also owned by the Unification Church, but operates separately from the Web site, quickly disavowed the article. Its national editor sent an e-mail message to staff members under the heading ''Insight Strikes Again'' telling them to ''make sure that no mention of any Insight story'' appeared in the paper, and another e-mail message to its Congressional correspondent instructing him to clarify to Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Obama that The Washington Times had nothing to do with the article on the Web site.

''Some of the editors here get annoyed when Insight is identified as a publication of The Washington Times,'' said Wesley Pruden, editor in chief of The Washington Times.

And in an interview, John Moody, a senior vice president at Fox News, said its commentators had erred by citing the Clinton-Obama report. ''The hosts violated one of our general rules, which is know what you are talking about,'' Mr. Moody said. ''They reported information from a publication whose accuracy we didn't know.''

This topic seems to go on and on, even though no one has presented a shred of evidence to indicate that Obama is or ever was a Muslim.

So, yeah. I would say everybody is up in arms over nothing. What is the point?

#22 Orbit Rain

Did his mom raise him as a Muslim or a Christian? Did he go to a Muslim or a Christian place of worship to learn about God? Is it too fucking hard to ask this question?

I don't think he went anywhere. He has said numerous times and in numerous places that he was raised in a secular home and that his mother, in particular, was not religious.

FWIW, here is how the Punahou School, which he attended from the time he left Indonesia at the age of ten until he graduated from high school says about itself.

Founded in 1841, Punahou School was designed originally to provide a quality education to the children of Congregational missionaries, allowing them to stay in Hawai`i with their families, instead of being sent away to school. The first class had 15 students.

Today, this coeducational college preparatory day school enrolls over 3,750 students. We are non-sectarian but retain our Christian heritage.

#150 JustMyView,

As usual, your history is a little misguided:

Consider: Radical Islam was not really a huge problem in the mid-1960s to early 1970s when Obama was in Indonesia.

Tell that to Israelis and the rest of the world who happened to watch a massacre at the 1972 Olympics and have been fighting militant Islam on all fronts since 1948.

Are you asking to believe that Indonesia only adopted "radical Islam" the last few years?

#27 sattv4u

"his early childhood years living on a planet where there were Muslim countries"

Great line. Good for you!

#33 Sponge

You have the same mentality that a LOT of others in this country do. Ignore it and it isn't an issue. If this man can't tell the truth about his childhood, belief system and educational background, how the HELL does he thing he can run this country? Believe it or not, religion has a LOT to do with who people vote for, in many cases. If no one really cared about the past, why did GWB's party days in college or clinton's 'puffed but didn't inhale' business get ramped up so damn high?

What is it that he hasn't told the truth about, and how do you know that he hasn't told the truth? Do you have an unimpeachable source that says he was a Muslim.

#150 JustMyView
no one has presented a shred of evidence to indicate that Obama is or ever was a Muslim.

That's not true. See my link in comment #29 above. ABC News discovered that Obama was listed in the school records as a Muslim.

Osam uh, Oh 'Bama is an empty suit anyway. Who cares what he believed as a muslim child since he believes in nothing now. His beliefs will take whatever circuitous route they need to as he grubs about trying to win the presidential nomination truffle of his party. Fresh slime for the pit!

Maybe the AP should switch to covering the weather where conditions and available information are constantly changing. Revisions to their reporting would / could be more easily justified. Just think we could have a Global Warming Front for hot weather and a Global Warming Disruption event for a cold front.

#87 Ward Cleaver

Didn't one of the news stories (ABC?) assert that there were/are no radical madrassas in Indonesia?

Not the story I read. See the link at #150.

#77 NoSubmission

if Barak Hussein Obama rejected his former religion as thoroughly and as publically as Shoebot and Ali, then maybe you'd have a point. But he hasn't.

Maybe that's because Islam is not his former religion. He has said that he was not a Muslim. Do you have an unimpeachable source that says he was?

#82 Chyon

I often wonder at the need these people feel to deny being Muslim. Is it something to be ashamed of? Something to hide?

Who are "these people"? Are we talking about someone other than Obama?

And what would you have him say if someone is claiming that he was a Muslim, and he wasn't? Seems like denying it is the reasonable thing to do.

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee chaired by Vallmer Jordan in 1981. We believe in the following 12 precepts and covenantal statements. These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They must reflect on the following concepts:

1. Commitment to God
2. Commitment to the Black Community
3. Commitment to the Black Family
4. Dedication to the Pursuit of Education
5. Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence
6. Adherence to the Black Work Ethic
7. Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect
8. Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness"
9. Pledge to make the fruits of all developing and acquired skills available to the Black Community
10. Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions
11. Pledge allegiance to all Black leadership who espouse and embrace the Black Value System
12. Personal commitment to embracement of the Black Value System.

QUestions:
1) What's the difference between the "Black work ethic" and the "White" work ethic or say, the "sorta Yellow" work ethic or the "Reddish" work ethic or the "kinda Brown" work ethic? (See anything twisted about this statement, now?) Or the general accepted community sense of what "work ethic" means? What has color got to do with work ethic, apart from encouraging people to think in pathetic sterotypes?
2) Obama is a member of this church, with this mission statement. So, why isn't he in the Anti-Slavery Party?
The president pro temp of the Senate, Obama's own Party, is a former Grand Kleagle of the Klu Klux Klan. Doesn't that mean that Obama has to defer on a daily basis to a former White Supremacist? How does Obama reconcile that?
The only way it makes sense (ie don't make your brain cells fry from cognitive dissonance) is that the two, Robert Byrd and Obama Barack share the ideology of race supremacy. They just differ as to who ought to be on the top of the heap.

Whether Muslim or not makes little difference to me. What matters is what Obama says he is a member of now and that is United Church of Christ. The only thing "religious" thing about this pseudo christian (small c) denomination is a great affiliation of liberal politics and four walls.

I attended a service a few years back to check them out. While I didn't see evidence of human sacrifice, they had nice Walt Whitman readings if that's your idea of extolling virtues. The rest of the service was talk of our oppression and a presentation by something called the Interfaith Alliance, including a Muslim woman dressed in full garb. A sham, like the candidate.

Here is a current "mission" of the UCC: I believe this tells you all you need to "know"

UCC quite visible at anti-war rally in Washington

If it is a correction then shouldn't the AP issue a formal correction to say that they claimed he was a Muslim, but he isn't? Instead, they just change things as if the blogs didn't see the first version and it makes it look like they're trying to pull one over on us (which I think the latter is true).

MSM bukkake for Obama.

#155 zombie

JMV: no one has presented a shred of evidence to indicate that Obama is or ever was a Muslim.

zombie: That's not true. See my link in comment #29 above. ABC News discovered that Obama was listed in the school records as a Muslim.

Yes, I saw your link, but I don't find that particularly compelling.

Consider this scenario: As noted previously, Obama's mother was not religious. It seems reasonly likely that, since they were in Indonesia, his Indonesian stepfather took him to register at school. Since his stepfather was a Muslim, he probably just checked the box.

I found only one source on this, but it appears that Obama's stepfather worked for Shell Oil. (I think he was an engineer of some sort.) Doesn't exactly seem like that would be a hotbed of radicalism.

So, maybe you have a shred, but it's a pretty small one.

#167 JustMyView
You do realize that you are projecting your cultural assumptions into a realm where they don't apply.
Obama's father was Kenyan. In African society, the father is the owner of the family. Obama's father had total legal responsibility and rights over his family. In Muslim society if the father is Muslim, the children are Muslim. It's very simple. It's not like here in the US.
All this blah blah is irrelevent. This is one of the means that Islam puts hooks into people and forces its dominance over a population. Born a Muslim and if one converts, it's a death sentence, at a minimum, open season on the apostate if people feel like it. It is nothing like Christianity. Nothing.
Obama grew up as an expat kid, beebopping here and there, across the globe, probably not picking up much of anything, except obviously the theology of Leftism which he holds to today.
A lot of Western women marry into African society - educated African men with good international jobs (Shell?) but cultural conflicts rise when children enter the mix. How will they be raised? The values of the father or of the mother? Many - as in many many (majority) of these women file for divorce when they discover that their devoted husbands have a taken up with second wives. They flee the country with their kids (if they can - before the husband gets wind of it and blocks the children from leaving). African culture is polygamous. Muslims are polygamous. Guys who claim they are Christians hide a second wife. It is so pervasive and deep a cultural practice that an African man could take a polygraph claiming he had only one wife, while he had three and wouldn't even budge the needle. I have no idea if that was the driving force behind this particular divorce, but if I had to put a wager on it, I'd wager second wife was the reason.
So say there were family tensions as a result of Obama's parents' divorce is probably putting it mildy.
That Obama's father and his father's side tried to influence Obama to their way shouldn't be any surprise to anyone. It's so typical it's hardly worth mentioning. That's the background. What is going on today? Obama attends an apparently separatist church, with distorted Christian values. His politics are hard Left
Shall we reprint May, 06,2004 Indymedia SF's little missive, posted nationally?

Al-Masakin would like to take this opportunity to remind the American Muslim Muhajedin, and our allies in the anti-Imperialist Left ..."

Allies in the anti-Imperialist Left ?
Well, someone in the radical Muslim camp thinks Lefties are allies to their Wahhabist cause. Wonder why? Given the times, it's good and proper to inspect closely those who desire to hold high leadership positions, espcially the presidency.

#169 wanumba

That Obama's father and his father's side tried to influence Obama to their way shouldn't be any surprise to anyone.

Obama's father returned to Kenya when Barack was only two years old. He only saw him one more time in his life, so whatever ideas of paternal ownership might be involved in Islam couldn't have had much of an effect on Sen. Obama.

#169 wanumba

That Obama's father and his father's side tried to influence Obama to their way shouldn't be any surprise to anyone.

Obama's father returned to Kenya when Barack was only two years old. He only saw him one more time in his life, so whatever ideas of paternal ownership might be involved in Islam couldn't have had much of an effect on Sen. Obama.

#169 Wanumba

Considering that you've actually lived in Africa, and have had dealings with Africans, I'm inclined to take your view rather than, say, JustMyView's.

One thing I do find disturbing---the frequency with which this story changes: he was a Moslem. He was a Moslm, but he converted to Christianity. He never was a Moslem. He went to a madrassa, but he wasn't he Moslem. Well, actually, he was a Moslem, but he only converted to please his dad.

Well the real story please stand up?

a. ROP = religion of prevarication
b. politician = expert in prevarication

c. Obama = convergence?

#171 JustMyView
What was the reason for the divorce?
And if he only saw his father once, how did he manage to write so much about him? Or did he make it up? Maybe, they talked on the telephone? Lots of people do.
We are aware that you are shilling for him. Not just defending, shilling. Must be the talking points for the week. For your benefit, I'm not interested in whether he is currently a Muslim, because he's absolutely a hard Leftist, and he attends a so-called church that preaches racial isolationism and liberation theology along with atrocious African pseudo-history based on multi-culti fantasy, along with the easiest language on the planet to study, which isn't even germane to the backgrounds of most of that congregation (Obama excluded). What is that man proposing to bring to the presidency? Bile and hate? Kinda ironic in this case- Kenya currency is the shilling.