The MSM is finally starting to wake up. They couldn't ignore this forever.

This parallels the Nazi efforts, pre-1939!

See "Divide & Conquer" at Internet Archives

The MSM is finally starting to wake up. They couldn't ignore this forever.

It's about time too. This is Dug, so go get it before the bury brigades do...

But note that the narrator says the split is between "conservatives" and "moderates".

It would be nice if they stopped calling these freaks conservatives.

It would be nice if they stopped calling these freaks conservatives.

Yea Literalist Islam is closer.

Dam my spastic inner'nut connection! I only get a little into each clip before it stops... Then it wont play again past that point.

Curse you comcast!

What?

you don't think the Islamists want:

(1) lower taxes
(2) smaller governement
(3) individual state rights
(4) less governmental intrusion into the personal lives of citizens?
(5) A robust war on Terror
(6)
(7)
(8)

Still waiting on examples of why islam is so "peaceful".

Everyday we see examples of why it is not. And the apologists scream "that is not true islam". Ahh, yes it is.

Islam is a violent cult.

Ditto on the misuse of the term "conservative". Now back to the show ..

OT: 2 got in N.Y. get 15

But note that the narrator says the split is between "conservatives" and "moderates".

Yeah, just your basic struggle between conservatives and moderates, the moderates being the ones who stress separation of church and politics of course...

Liberal media just can't help themselves, they must give everything the proper spin.

Who would have suspected? /

A conservative wants to turn the clock back to 632.

a moderate would settle for 1000.

Islam delenda est statim.

I expect to see this on CNN any minute now...

on Nightline just after that

or not

wrath
"The informant asked Hossain to launder $50,000 from the sale of a shoulder-fired missile from China that would be used to kill a Pakistani diplomat in New York City, authorities said"

The Pizzeria owner , tho, professed confusion as to why this was a crime. Safety tip. Do not frequent Muslim businesses.

#10 Racer X

Hear Hear! Where are all the examples that Islam is a "religion of peace?" When example after example can be shown that not only does their writings promote violence and intolerance, their actions do to!

#3 Carridine

This parallels the Nazi efforts, pre-1939!

Do a Google search and google two words:
"Banna Nazi" and find out why...

19 Pat:

You ever been to N.Y.? There are Arab (middle eastern) men with kiosks (food trucks) on practically every corner, blaring out middle eastern arabic music.

I feel sorry for the tiny minority of moderates in Islam. It's impossible to watch that story and conclude the majority of Muslims are anything approaching ready for democracy and freedom. The beard laughs at his ability to use 'freedom' to intimidate people.

And now I realize that Bedier was threatening the hell out of the participants at the Secular Islam Summit by saying they don't practice Islam. That's the shrewd taqiyyalope way of calling them apostates and unleashing the hordes to do the dirty work - another CAIR death fatwa.

John Inman Died today...RIP...

OT:

[Link: www.thelocal.se...]

Two Muslim mothers in Sweden on Wednesday lost a discrimination case against an indoor swimming pool where the lifeguards had asked them to remove their veils and body-covering clothing.

The Gothenburg court ruled the municipal pool had not discriminated against the women.

Both women arrived at the court shortly after the verdict was announced. Houda Morabet explained that she took great offence when asked to leave the swimming pool.

"Now it is even worse. Most of all I am disappointed by how the justice system has worked," she said.

Fjordman:

Ok I know what the woman meant but her wording is hillarious. LGF'rs should have a field day with this one.

"Now it is even worse. Most of all I am disappointed by how the justice system has worked,"

Reminds me of that old saw about the 98% of lawyers ruining it for the good ones.

I do believe that the majority of Muslims don't espouse or engage in violence, but until such time as they take an ACTIVE stance is stopping the ones who do, they are not much more than enablers. . .part of the problem, not the solution.

I might have to change my mind about the CBC. When did they get almost sensible?

That "Imam" does EXACTLY what CAIR does - insists only they speak for All Muslims, and only THEY can interpret the koran, and only they are to define what is "islamic" and what is not ...

OT: The History Channel has a documentary on now about the battle of Thermopylae.

Having viewed these, it is much easier to understand WHY Muslims killed the One Promised by Jesus, when He came at the time Jesus said He would; May 23, 1844.

Muslim clergy called Him apostate, NOT the Forerunner of the Glory of God, NOT the One promised as the Qa'im, the Point round Whom circle all the Messengers of God, NOT a good human and definitely NOT A MUSLIM!

So they killed Him, July 9, 1850; by firing squad; the SECOND 750 riflemen who fired on Him at point-blank range, because the FIRST 750 were Armenian Christians, and their musket-fire only freed Him!

Muslims "have the right, the obligation to warn & kill, if necessary" when they think somebody is DEVIATING from the one true path, and if (Baha'is) claim that the Glory of God HAS come, that is saying The Mahdi HAS come, and WE do not acknowledge that, THEREFORE He has NOT come, therefore we kill Baha'is!

...and moderate Muslims, rational Muslims, Christians, JEWS, homos, albinos, retards, polocks, beaners, geeks, nerds, dweebs and, uhm, ANYBODY that humiliates me!

Clearly the sympathy of the reporter was for the
"moderate" Muslims.
However, for every 100 moderate Muslims who speak out against the "conservatives", there is probably 1 Muslim who agrees with the "moderates" but remains silent. For every "conservative Muslim" who disagrees with the moderates, there are probably 100,000 Muslims who agree with the "conservatives".

The report should have traced the funding for these "conservative" Imans". It's a sure bet that their money comes from the Saudis.

Re those Swedish mothers, how is it it goes? "All pigs are equal but some pigs are more equal than others?"

26 Fjordman 3/8/2007 06:21PM PST

"Now it is even worse. Most of all I am disappointed by how the justice system has worked," she said.

I suppose sharia would have been more acceptable. I suppose she is starting to realize that the free world's justice system is not ALL about her.

36 highrise:

I'm just happy that she was big enough to admit that the justice system worked. :)

#20 Gozer the Carpathian
You didn't see any examples in that video?

"Now it is even worse. Most of all I am disappointed by how the justice system has worked," she said.

Go back to your muslim country. You'll be "happy" there.

Good the story is beginning to be told by the Msm. However, could CBS have listened to the 'moderate's' description of the thugs? I heard, Islamists and Fundamentalists. Why didn't CBS hear the same thing .. and what gives them the right to co-opt the 'moderates' own definition? Also, wonder what the 'moderates' call themselves?

#21 Atman: Roger that! I am well aware of the nature, depth and severity of this racist, supremacist ideology, Sir...

"Mein Kampf" is a BIG SELLER in Muslim/Arab nations today!

38 WrathofG-d

HAHA I didn't catch that little nuance. Now I see it. TOO funny.

Sayyid Qutb's neat little rhetorical trick of defining "apostates" as those who disagree with you, thereby neatly circumventing the ban on killing other Muslims, continues unabated, apparently.

The bottom line is: those who argue the more extremist take on Islam have the right of it according to the Koran and hadith.

#39 Killgore Trout

Some are blind to reality- happens on both sides of the aisle, unfortunately...

Remember folks, it's not that Islam is being hijacked by the "tiny minority of extremists"; rather, it's that Islam is being hijacked by a "tiny minority of moderates".

The Muslim Canadian Congress web page. Interesting.

It's not a religion, it's a cult.

:::SHAKING ROOFTOPS AND RAFTERS:::

#45 Odinist
Conservatives.
*rolling eyes*

The young mouthy "imam" is an ignorant, hypocritical, wanna be - osama little punkass bitch.

#6

Hear hear. The correct word is "fundamentalists."

SemiOT: Difference between Christian fundamentalists and Islamic fundamentalists? You stop being a Christian, you're not in any danger of them chopping your head off...

I might have to change my mind about the CBC. When did they get almost sensible?

Don't worry. They will back to their promoting Islamic terrorism and slamming Israel in very short order. These occasional outbreaks of sanity from CBC are always short lived.

This video reminds me of all those times that orthodox Jews threaten to murder the reconstructionists...

oh wait, never mind that never happened...

Oh right I remember now...

This video reminds me of all those times the Priests have threatened to murder all of the non church going Christians...

oh wait, that never happened either...

Ok now I'm just confused because we all know that all religions are equal, and their are "extremists" in all religions.

anyone? help?

#22 WrathofG-d

I don't know about you, but I never eat from those things no matter how good it smells.

#37 Taxfreekiller. (re #28)

I wrote the correct thing.

If you can't figure it out by yourself, I'm not going to explain.

But I'll give you a clue:

"There are skid marks in front of the snake".

"Do you know how many of them we have to kill to get a pound of brains"?

#49 Killgore Trout

Nah, not just conservatives- those that wish to remain ignorant, in general...

/a centrist on some issues, but conservative on most...

I dislike the way the reporter uses the word "conservative" as if it is a catch-all phrase... She's trying to link Christians with the islamoterrorists, and it pisses me off...

Pretty soon Muslims in the West will have to clearly define their cherished term "good Muslim". When they emphatically oppose wars against "Muslims" in Iraq and Afghanistan, are they implying that the Taliban, Sadaam, and the murderous death squads roaming Iraq that are being fought by Western forces are "good Muslims"?

Muslims must clearly state if they think that "good Muslims" are those that engage in beheadings, suicide bombings of markets, intentional mass slaughter of unarmed civilians, and utter contempt, violence, and hatred towards non-Muslims as long as they adhere to absolutist and literal interpretations of centuries old religious dogma.

These are bad Muslims, and any "good Muslim" should stand up and say so, and be thankful that non-Muslims are fighting them.

Homicidal suicide and wanton hatred is far worse than the separation of church and state and the tolerance of beliefs other than your own in your midst.

Islam needs a civil war.

Until that time, exposing and ridding the planet of those that bad Muslims call "good Muslims" is required.

Absolutely and literally.

54 EastVillage:

You couldn't pay me to eat from those things...but what shocked me about it was how "tolorant" and wonderful Americans/New Yorkers are.

Despite the fact that Muslims attacked us on 9/11 and in N.Y., none the less, these individuals are able to blare Middle Eastern music across practically every corner on Manhattan, right after the attacks themselves.

The Mother Ship (Communist Broadcasting Corporation) will throw a wet blanket over this the moment Citoyen Dion and Taliban Jack Layton utter the magic word: Islamophobia.

Interesting use of the word "conservative" though, I can understand the logic. If Western Liberals can hate Western Conservatives, then why can't they hate Islamic Conservatives?

#52 Judith

Don't worry. They will back to their promoting Islamic terrorism and slamming Israel in very short order. These occasional outbreaks of sanity from CBC are always short lived.

You mean there's been another one? When? I must have blinked and missed it. Has it ever happened in the Toronto Star? I might die of shock...

Pay attention, everyone -- the "moderates" featured in this video actually seem moderate.

They're anti-sharia, pro seperation of church/state, and have been threatened and beat up by the extremists.

They tried to get legislators to classify "apostate killing" as a hate crime.

It's rare to find true moderate muslims, so catch them while you can.

I have devoted much time and effort to pointing out the CBC's bias and mindless pro-Islamic stance in the past. I must congratulate them on their willingness to air this piece. I am extremely, and happily, surprised.

conservative: tending or disposed to maintain existing views, conditions, or institutions.

Don't get so hung up on the convative thing, they used the word porperly.

#60 Doug

Because they see western conservatives as more of a (immediate) threat than islamists... The hypocritical western liberal will sell out his children on the alter of America-bashing, even at the expense of his children...

Somebody needs to tell that smug asshole with the hat that Islam, historically, has been tolerant of others from time to time. It's not without precedent. I wonder what he would say if he was told that the current strain of radicalism in Islam was originally funded and organized by Nazi Germany.

None of what's happening in this report is news to LGF readers. Love the deflections from the fundies too: "I never said that", "We never threatened anybody", yadda yadda. The usual dosage of lies and deflections from the Islamists.

(I had somebody in a chat room try to tell me once that "Islamists" wasn't a word - funny, somebody should tell those folks meeting in the restaurant).

#62
Dammit. Just after I post something nice about these moderates, I find some of their views on israel.

And they're speaking Canadian. Conservative does not have the same meaning in many Canadian circles as among Americans. It can also be a fundamentalist but said "politely".

#64 Killgore Trout

They might want to "maintain existing views, conditions or institutions", but those views are radically different from those of the society around them and their methods of maintaining them are radical. I think radical would be more accurate in this case.

#69 eastvillageinfidel

Exactly! They're not conservative for the other guy.

You mean there's been another one? When?

They did a balanced piece on Israel back in 1967.

Somebody needs to tell that smug asshole with the hat that Islam, historically, has been tolerant of others from time to time. It's not without precedent

Oh my. Now you've done it! Don't yoou know you aren't allowed to imply anything good about any form of islam at any time or place anywhere in the universe? That's one of the "rules". As soon as yoou do, some people around here will jump all over you and label you as a terrorist enabler (and other less pleasant terms) while insisting every single Muslim in the world falls in to one of three categories evils, idiots, or apostates and you're also an elitist. Islam is, to some here, as evil as the Mossad who brought down the Twin Towers is to the Saudis, dontchaknow.

#67 eff

Dammit. Just after I post something nice about these moderates, I find some of their views on israel.

I'm beginning to think we should just take what we can get with these people. First priority is to shut down this Sharia bullshit cold, and choke off the Saudi petrodollar-funded Wahabbization cancer; we can deal with the Judenhass later.

The dude with the black beard and the green beenie is an evil son-of-a-bitch and a lying bastard.

That is exactly the type of individual that needs to die if we are to defeat islamism and survive as a country. Or, we could continue to turn the other cheek while he incites hatred and murder among his mentally feeble flock.

71 Judith,

LOL - I know. Believe me, I know. I still have some hope that Muslims can Westernize. You'd have to tear out half the Koran, as Geert Wilders said, but I read another saying once too:

"Don't ever take away somebody's hope. It may be all the have."

Of course, in my case, I have hope, and ammunition and guns... With a nod to Teddy Roosevelt. Something about speaking softly and carrying sticks.

72 Pawn 67 Eff:

Well did you read the articles/letters? Its no wonder they haven't gotten any results...they are asking thier federal government to deal with a city government.

They keep asking Canada to deal with Tel Aviv.

Silly Canadian "moderate" Muslims, Tel Aviv is for drinking and beaches...Jerusalem is for Governence

I couldn't watch the second video in its entirety, but Big Beard with the skullcap came off as real ass. He pretty much copped to using the "free society" (complete with hand jiving and googly eyes) of Canada against itself. He also seemed to lament the fact that the umma there wasn't enfranchised to do more coercing and strong-arming. I hated him.

Make that " I hate him". I still definitively do.

Since when did Canadian Muslim Congress get labeled as moderate? Oh I see. There is that CBC insanity again, before they even got through session.

CMM and CIC are aboutas far apart on the moderate scale as Fatah and Hamas

There is no other religion in the world that warns you for not following the code. I had pork spareribs today, did a rabbi come knocking on my door threathening to circumsize me again? Not Greeks, not Italians, etc., no matter how far they stray are ostracized like these fascist muslims. If they want to practice their sick Sharia laws, they should board a plane leave and go back to their fun-loving camel-humping countries. It's that simple. If a moderate muslim wants to speak out in a democratic country, he/she has every right. This whole issue should be a no-brainer. Our laws should be tightly enforced and any signs of Sharia should be dealt with the full force of our laws. We should be sending these muslim extremists a bold message. Get the f**k outta here.

The laws, and the judiciary, should be prepared to punish someone who publicly calls a self-described Muslim an apostate, because those are murder-inciting words. Since it is an incitement to murder, it should be a criminal offense.

CMC and CIC ...too many 8:30 am classes to teach this week.

#78 Judith
See #47. They seem nice enough.

72 Pawn 67 Eff:

Well did you read the articles/letters? Its no wonder they haven't gotten any results...they are asking thier federal government to deal with a city government.

They keep asking Canada to deal with Tel Aviv.

Silly Canadian "moderate" Muslims, Tel Aviv is for drinking and beaches...Jerusalem is for Governance

Wasn't Tel Aviv the capitol at one point? I don't know for sure. I'm only a Potential Jew, not an actual one. :D

Killgore trout-go read what they say about Israel. You'll get what I mean about Fatah versus Hamas.

I have another early start tomorrow. have to be availabe for 7:15am so ecuse me whiel I crawl into bed. Praise the Master of the Universe for Shabbot. Have a good one all.

The cultural divide is huge between traditional Islam and the modern world, depressingly so.

What amazes me is the blissful ignorance of the bearded asshat, sitting in a free country being allowed to say it shouldn't be free. THAT kind of 'divide' is just breathtaking, and what can you do about it? You have to support the moderates, and protect them - yes, it's worth doing fellow Lizards, no matter how difficult it is and how long it takes. Suck it up.

Hope the Canadians are keeping a close eye on the proto-dumbomb and his kkkommunity, sounds like there's a lot folks trying to take 'pilot' lessons...

83 Pawn:

Yes, but the Jerusalem was made the capital of Israel in 1980. All of the articles critisizing Israel were written in the 2005/2006s.

I agree, the bearded git in the green beanie goes like this

"takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, fatwa, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, fatwa, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, fatwa, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, takkiya, fatwa, takkiya, takkiya."

OK, I got it.

Gotta love Canada.

What many of you Non Canadians may not realize is that CBC is radical left...and that is no hyperbole...run by socialists and marxists and is state owned...it is much hated here in Canada save for your most looney leftists types..

That being said, this is why this report is quite shocking...CBC has never met an islamic issue that they wouldn't defend...

Good stuff!

CBC National: Why We Don't Hear From Moderate Muslims

Because they have heads on their shoulders and want to keep them there (avoid the beheadings).

A minority of Muslims ≤ 49% who are violent and view death as a reward to an eternal whorehouse, intimidate and commit atrocities against the non-radical Muslims and Infidels.

The sins on earth these Muslims so readily condemned and killed for are now their rewards in heaven.

Unfortunately, this fanaticism is validated in their holy book the koran and there is the problem.

For the statistically challenged: Should only 1% of mos worldwide be considered extreme, we're still looking at more than 1 million Islamic soldiers who want to kill us for not believing as they do. I suspect the figure of 1% to be conservative.

As this is my 500th post, a little Infidelic self-congratulatory devil's brew (beer) is in order:). Can anyone out there recommend a good Jewish beer please?

62 eff
Pay attention, everyone -- the "moderates" featured in this video actually seem moderate.

That's the part I like. Any muslim denouncing sharia law and wanting to live under the rules set up by Western societies gets my attention. It may seem like a small step but looking back over the last 5-6 years, I think this kind of news is big.

Any idea when 60 Minutes will air a similar segment in the US?

#93 marsouin

Probably a long, long time after Hell freezes over.

NEWS OF THE FUTURE

CBC NEWS 2015 Public beheadings made legal today at the behest of our jihaid masters

Mainstream Islamic: "We are the experts, no one else is qualified to voice an opinion. We don't have to debate moderates. They are simply wrong, do not represent mainstream Islam, and are beneath notice. Are you trying to tell us we don't have a right to silence them?"

Wow, they sure are compelling advocates for their side of the non-debate! That is if you admire arrogant a**holes with weird beards.

Hi all,

I am attempting to enlighten a friend who claims to be mostly apolitical. I am looking for a couple of websites that are in my bookmarks in my other computer, and I am unable to remember them precisely.

One is the site that lists all terrorist attacks worldwide ...its the older site, not the latest one that Ginn posted with the map and the flashing points. I believe it is somethingortheother religionofpeace.com? The other is an online version of the Quran ...an .edu site, IIRC.

Appreciate your help!

#97 pink freud 3/8/2007 09:57PM PST

[Link: www.thereligionofpeace.com...]

[Link: www.usc.edu...]

Thanks for posting those Charles.

Watched both - I feel for the moderate Muslims in that they are under pressure - but more power to them for voicing their opinions and persisting. I wish there was something more I could do to help people like this, so they'd know they are not alone in this quest.

88 The flying Kiwi 3/8/2007 07:44PM PST
... the bearded git in the green beanie

OK, I'll admit it - I was picturing myself giving his beard a good hard yank.

Abertanator, same for me.
I was shocked that it was CBC that actually aired this.
Wonder what happened there?
At first glance really thought it was a typo in the headline and was suppose to be CBS.

Ratherdashing also agree here.
Good to see and need to see lots more of this.
Banishment of 'sharia law' is a key point of moderate Muslims.

In regards to the smirky, extremist iman, something about him is seriously wrong besides the words spilling from his mouth. He's one to keep the eye on, his supposed 'good guy' role in the recent terrorist plots has me wondering just how involved he was. Did he set this all up? After watching him interviewed a couple of times now, I don't doubt he's capable and motivated.

I should say, it would make more sense to hold a strict libertarian line. I'm all for a robust WoT, but hate crime laws are a bunch of double-standard BS which serve as tools to create different codes of conduct for different levels of society. Using them in the capacity suggested by the moderates necesssarily welcomes their abuse against far more innocent targets.

My solution: let them call each other apostates or whatever the hell they want. If Islam is really represented by the "conservative" factions, all the better that they become more overtly prolific to undermine the standard "religion of peace" apologism.

And besides, as long as we maintain the value of freedom - freedom to portray whatever religious figure we want being just one tiny portion - we'll win this. Freedom has always trumped fascism, and it will, so long as we maintain the will to keep it.

Besides, if it comes down to a choice between oppressive orthodoxy on one hand and a Saturday nights on St. Catherine's Street in Montreal, we'll whittle away against the Islamofascist base in no time flat. :)

Why don't we hear from moderate Muslims?

Why doesn't Katie Couric ever interview one of those extraterrestrials that we all know the government is hiding in Area 57?
Why don't we ever hear from all the members of Code Pink who made the finals of the Miss America pageant?

#76, eastvillageinfidel

I couldn't watch the second video in its entirety, but Big Beard with the skullcap came off as real ass.

That guy, Mubeen Shaikh (or however it's spelled), came across like the thug he is. But I'll admit, he's just following the sterling example set by his prophet...

This did not even go near the truth of Islam and the fundamentalism that goes with it. CBC, as usual, skirts around the issues with its usual multicultural, liberal spin which they confuse as objectivity and fairness. As was posted before, they will be right back to defending this death cult.

Many, many years ago when I was a kid in college I heard an Eastern Indian guru say somethng like, "The longer the beard of the holy man, the more suspicious you should be of him."

After observing Islam the past 10 years I'd add to that, "The more they cover their faces with hair and clothing, the more they are filled with intolerance for others outside their tribe."

The woman interviewed in the report, Haideh Moghissi. a professor at York University, is a critic of some aspects of fundementalist Islam, but she has also said & written some less than "moderate" things.

Asked for comment about a recent poll of Muslim Canadians what she thought about the 12% of respondents who agreed the people arrested in the "Toronto 18" terror plot to bomb public buildings and behead the PM, were "at least somewhat justified in their actions" Moghissi answered,

"It's really negligible that 12 percent feel that the attacks would be justified," said Moghissi. "I don't think it even warrants attention."

Personally, I don't see how ignoring reality is a wise response to the problem.

#100 leap_frog

In regards to the smirky, extremist iman, something about him is seriously wrong besides the words spilling from his mouth. He's one to keep the eye on, his supposed 'good guy' role in the recent terrorist plots has me wondering just how involved he was. Did he set this all up? After watching him interviewed a couple of times now, I don't doubt he's capable and motivated.

That man, Mubin Shaikh , is not well regarded by the police who used his services. He has been described as dishonest and motivated only for money. He is not a "good guy", but he is more likely a rival extremist who wanted to eliminate a rival group, make some money and give himself some cover.

#97 pink freud
You might want to try the Skeptic's Annotated Quran. There's a menu on the right for categories such as, injustice, Intolerance, Cruelty and Violence, etc. But be warned, the skeptics who put this project together are pretty anti-religion, there's a Skeptics Bible and a skeptic's Book of Mormon too.

They are getting dissent voices! And the dissenters claim to be muslims. Islam seems not to be immune to internal discord.

"For every action, there is an equal and opposite reaction." The more they confront us, the more dissent they'll get in their midst.

71 Judith

Don't yoou know you aren't allowed to imply anything good about any form of islam at any time or place anywhere in the universe?

So disingenuous. Did you watch these videos?

The islamists view deviation from the koran as a sin, punishable by death. The islamists use the koran to call these "moderates" apostates. The islamists use the koran to justify threatening and harming these "apostates". The islamists use intimidation to silence these "apostates". These "apostates" are the very people I stated I hoped would be liberated from their islamic hell, Judith. I would consider getting death threats for opposing shari'a as a form of this islamic hell. You use your post to attack me when I'm not even here, while distorting my position on islamic apostates and the evils of islam. You've squandered this opportunity to enlighten yourself to the very real danger islamists pose to moderate muslims (such as your friends) who, if you'd open your eyes, you'd realize I support.

Every fiber in the Islam Preacher's being represents hostility. His body language, tone of voice, slick verbage, and glares all represent a potentially menacing dude.

That stupid woman near the start said that she didn't think the extremists were silencing those trying to be moderate as part of an "organized campaign."

Unbelievable. It most certainly is organized. It goes by many names, for example wahabbism. And it is a LARGE part of Islam -- in fact, it's devout Islam that just follows the koran literally. It's well funded by our "friends" the Saudis. To say it's not organized is just plain denying the facts.

How can a so-called expert be so daft?!

#112 moonbatbane
How can a so-called expert be so daft?!

An "expert" can be so daft the same way our wackademia and MSM and intelligentsia can be marching lockstep with totalitarianism (Chavez, Ahmadinejad, Al Qaeda, Taliban) and consider crazy any who disagree (President Bush and all who support fighting such totalitarians secular & jihadist).

Until these fundamentalists are treated as the Mafia that they are, we will continue to have problems. I could care less what anyone believes or does not believe. I have read the Koran and and slowly working my way through Al-Bakari's Hadith. But when any group uses physical coercion to enforce its believe system it is no longer a religion. It is best a cult. I am glad that this was aired. Its about time some of the MSM in America put this sort of stuff on the air too so that the ignorant among the American public understand what they are up against. This is Mafia omerta in religion, no more. no less. Not unique to Muslims either. Other cults have practiced it. But for the most part those cults are past tense. Islam as practiced by these Nazi cultists is not.

Hopefully, people will start to get pro-active in suing CAIR. Granted CAIR has deep pockets, but the are advocates of what constitutes hate crimes.

#71 Judith 3/8/2007 07:07PM PST

Somebody needs to tell that smug asshole with the hat that Islam, historically, has been tolerant of others from time to time. It's not without precedent

Oh my. Now you've done it! Don't yoou know you aren't allowed to imply anything good about any form of islam at any time or place anywhere in the universe? That's one of the "rules". As soon as yoou do, some people around here will jump all over you and label you as a terrorist enabler (and other less pleasant terms)...

nextstopmars was and is factually correct. From you're response, it looks like you think that you are posting on Daily Kos or somesuch, where dissent is first attacked and then banned. We don't demand groupthink here -- we leave that to the brain-dead left...

#114 ShrNfr

This is Mafia omerta in religion, no more. no less.

Rudy Giuliani during the Reagan Administration helped vigorously prosecute the Mafia using the newly enacted RICO (racketeering influenced crime organization) statutes--something Bobby Kennedy never did!

Rudy! Rudy! Recognizes a RICO religious cult when he sees one.

#113 alegrias 3/9/2007 08:01AM PST

You are absolutely correct, of course...

Interesting to note that the response of "moderate" Muslims is to ignore the hate-filled rants from the minbar, rather than standing up for their principles.

Sins of omission will get you sins of commission (beatings, beheadings, etc.)

#118 stockman

the response of "moderate" Muslims is to ignore the hate-filled rants from the minbar, rather than standing up for their principles.

Who among us didn't do likewise--bite our tongues--in our own Western culture when we were young & foolish & wanted to "fit in" with secular "progressives" who seemed to be the mainstream in school, work, place of worship? I wasn't always brave (or foolish) enough to stand up for my 180 degree more traditional values.

Luckily the "silent" majority in this country was able to vote by secret ballot and elect Non-McGovern, non-Carter presidents despite the pressure to go with the go-go candidates our media minarets called on us to bow down before.

112 MonnbatBane

I think Judith's real problem is she didn't have a means to refute me in a previous thread (and she still doesn't) so she's turned to the "victim" ploy. She was "jumped" (because posters have never disagreed with each other before on LGF) and called names (I called her tactic elitist) and then she distorts what I posted (which I why I linked to my comments) because she cannot grasp what it is I'm trying to tell her.

She states her muslim friends practice a form of islam. The islamists would consider this zandaqa (heresy), and when I try to inform her of this, I become the bad guy instead of the islamists hell bent on silencing, intimidating, and threatening her friends. In her mind, I'm a bigot for calling moderate muslims by the name the islamists give them- apostates, and she fails to realize my support of islamic apostates is in fact support for moderate muslims such as her friends and the people in the video above.

I wonder when the Canadian TV series Little Mosque on the Prairie will have some smiling, fun loving jihadis infiltrate their mosque.

Think of how much fun that would be! The jihadis could bumbling idiots who fumble around with their bomb vests and then blow themselves up. Then the kindly imam could suggest that maybe self-martyrdom is not their style but maybe threatening to behead Prime Minister would work better.

I was shocked that it was CBC that actually aired this.

Me too, Like did the sun come up in the west?

And 12% of Canadian Muslims think decapitation of our prime minister and blowing up the Parliament buildings are ok.
[Link: calsun.canoe.ca...]

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Muslims are losers
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#107 Kenneth, thanks for that link.

Real piece of work isn't he?
This quip says it all for me not to mention he's a former druggie who injested -who knows what else, is now a cult leader in fine robes speaking for all Muslims in this country? (also a self-proclaimed Muslim expert?) Bull shit on every level. You're right Kenneth and others above he reeks of it.

Shaikh said he was ideal for job of informant because he was born and raised in Canada, but also has a solid foundation in Islam.
"Toronto's home, so I understand what concerns they have, but at the same time as a Muslim, I understand what concerns Muslims have. So I felt that I could be a link between the two sides," he said.

Religious bigotry on his part. Not suppose to be 'us and them' in when we question their requests on us, but they are allowed to rule over all other voices and all other Muslims?

We also hold moderate Muslims voices in better standing than he claims they have. They and we have a right to speak up as much as any 'fundamental' religious zealot, we get to question him and his religion, we get to object and demand answers to any religion in this country that prohibits our rights afforded to us in our laws, and we get to do so publicly, so get a grip there boys it's gonna be a bumpy ride.

Sharia law should be outlawed, outright.
Maybe that's the toe-hold into Islamic reformation born of the 'West's' reaction to terrorist attacks and attempts to push sharia law in anywhere possible by 'islamofascists' ha, the ultimate irony if that could be the result.

yet a Canadian judge considers Sharia law a month ago...nary a whisper is heard

"For the statistically challenged: Should only 1% of mos worldwide be considered extreme, we're still looking at more than 1 million Islamic soldiers who want to kill us for not believing as they do. I suspect the figure of 1% to be conservative."

You have problem with numbers. Even 1% of Ummah means there are 15 Milion murderers.

But it is not 1%, not even close. All polls of British and other EU Moslems indicate 20-50% active or passive supporters of militant Jihad.

It means that in these USofA there could be 500K potential jihadis.

Aren't immigration wonderful?

For anyone still following these posts...

Mubin Shaikh (the guy in the beard with the wife who converted to Islam in the black bag) is a key informant in the alleged terrorist plot (the plot to blow up the Parliament buildings, behead the Prime Minister, etc.). CSIS (that's Canada's spy agency has paid Shaikh, according to an L.A. Times article 250,000 dollars. Shaikh claims that CSIS still owes him 300,000.)

I have yet to read anyone who thinks that Shaikh looks in the least bit credible...imagine this fellow taking the stand (I'd be slightly more than concerned if I were a prosecutor.) (There's an article on Mubin Shaikh at Wiki)