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 RetweetMinneapolis Shari'a Watch

Tue, Mar 13, 2007 at 9:15:24 am PDT

Minneapolis is the scene of yet another intrusion of extremist shari’a law into US society, as Muslim cashiers at Target stores are refusing to handle pork.

The other day, I got a call from someone who said that an employee at the Target store downtown refused to run his bacon through a scanning machine. He was mighty upset, arguing that the cashier had “no right to work as a cashier at Target” if she wasn’t prepared to swipe his groceries.

But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a burka looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.

I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her head. “I can’t even touch it,” she said.

Of course, any bacon or pepperoni pizzas for sale at Target would be shrink-wrapped in plastic, then boxed in some kind of cardboard package, so no cashier could ever physically touch the dreaded pork.

But then, this really isn’t about the pork.

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1 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:16:37am

Dont want to ring up the order? OK, you're fired.

Next please.

2 Americain  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:17:11am

I guess no scanning Pigs in a Blanket either, eh?

3 400lb Gorilla  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:17:46am

Simple solution. Everyone who is close should go and get some pork until target has to deal with the issue.

Express and Pork Checkouts?

STOP ISLAMIFESTATION NOW!

4 Ojoe  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:00am

By their own logic, since there are pigs on the earth, they should all jump off into space at escape velocity.

5 mayweed  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:16am

Can anybody explain why the customers are not boycotting this store until it goes out of business?

6 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:21am

TARGET HIRED HER FOR WHAT REASON?

Nuts.

7 ziggy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:31am

Would she ring up a football (you know, a pig skin)?

8 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:38am

Target may not have much of a choice in the matter. Muslims have successfully sued for accommodations in other places. Target may end up banning pork. And alcohol. And...

9 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:40am

How about a Michael Moore movie? The man is pictured on every one - and he is a pig.

10 Mcgyver  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:46am

Time to write another letter that goes to Minneapolis. And one to corporate.

Mcgyver, out

11 Sidney  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:52am

So who is behind this stuff in Minesota and Michigan.
Your average muslim, conditioned to SUBMIT (as Islam means submission) doesn't have a whole lot of get up and go.

Who's the mufti-poofti imam behind this activism?

12 cba  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:53am
But then, this really isn’t about the pork.

Bingo.

13 Northpaw  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:18:55am

So vegetarian cashiers get to avoid all meat products too?

Do vegans get to avoid swiping honey and jello?

Do Atkins dieters get out of swiping bread?

Just curious.

14 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:14am

Time for wallmart

15 DesertSage  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:15am

Pork is like Krytonite to Muslims.
It's their Achilles Heel...

16 Drive_By_Stevia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:21am

Target pork?...ewww...

17 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:23am

Sweet! I'd like to roll through w/ a six pac and a coupla slim jims... Wonder how they manage at the party stores?

18 Black George Bush  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:41am

Must not need that job too bad.

19 Barking Pumpkin  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:44am

Either comply with the demands of the job, resign or get fired. Then kindly go back where you came from.

20 wccawa  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:19:48am

I have this sudden desire to shop. In Minnesota.

21 Merovign  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:20:45am

Too many thread, too many threads! :)

I always though that if you won't perform a basic job function, you shouldn't apply for the job.

I can't imagine applying as a person whose job is to handle the store products for customers if I was unwilling to handle some of the store's products!

But then, I'm not a Perpetual Victim.

22 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:21:07am

What if it was pork sandwiched between 2 Korans? Would she ring it or not?

23 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:21:28am

Noisier and noisier noisy phase of the invasion.

24 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:21:34am

Here's a case where muslims got over $50,000 apiece and their jobs back, with prayer-time priveliges, because they company wouldn't initially give them prayer time off.

They are legally privileged.

25 Pete(Detroit)  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:22:05am

#8 Earth2moonbat
Target may not have much of a choice in the matter. Muslims have successfully sued for accommodations in other places.

Wait until they sue Hooters, or your favorite booby-bar...

26 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:22:10am
a cashier wearing a burka



WTF?

I used to hire and fire. You CAN specify work appropriate dress legally .

27 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:22:13am

Pork? At Target?
Who even knew?

I'm sure Mohammed had this all planned out. Such a forseer of flash-frozen, vacuum-wrapped pork, he was.

28 wccawa  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:22:38am
#22 What if it was pork sandwiched between 2 Korans? Would she ring it or not?

An excellent question. And a most interesting science experiment.

29 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:22:47am

Minnesota keeps this up, we may have to drop them from the Union. 0-:

30 white rabbit  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:23:22am

So pharmacists can get fired for not wanting to hand out day-after pills, but you can't fire a Muslim for refusing to handle pepperoni.

/Makes perfect sense.

31 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:23:41am

Iranian official lashes out at Hollywood movie "300" for insulting Persian civilization

An Iranian official on Sunday lashed out at the Hollywood movie "300" for insulting the Persian civilization, local Fars News Agency reported.

Javad Shamqadri, an art advisor to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, accused the new movie of being "part of a comprehensive U.S. psychological war aimed at Iranian culture", said the report.

Shamqadri was quoted as saying "following the Islamic Revolution in Iran, Hollywood and cultural authorities in the U.S. initiated studies to figure out how to attack Iranian culture," adding "certainly, the recent movie is a product of such studies."

The movie's effort wound be fruitless, because "values in Iranian culture and the Islamic Revolution are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans", said the Iranin official.

32 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:24:01am

If you "can not handle pork" you should not be hired as a cashier in a store that sells pork.

33 Necklace of Shoes  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:24:36am

Th=th-th-th-that's all folks!

34 Stinger McGraw  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:24:58am

Will America wake up before it is too late?
I am getting worried. I have to go clean my 1911.

35 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:03am

I think it's obvious that one or more mosques or jihad front organizations are pressuring their members to force their religious practices on the workplace. If Kroger can force its Christian pharmacists to dispense the morning after pill, surely Target can force its Muslim cashiers to scan bacon and beer. Those who object can find other employment.

36 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:09am

6 Dustoff-507

TARGET HIRED HER FOR WHAT REASON?

Target Corp. is about as multi-culti as they come, as are a number of other large corporations, frankly. Corporate America has bowed to "Diversity for Diversity's Sake" without realizing they are in fact promoting racism.

37 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:15am

#26 BabbaZee

You CAN specify work appropriate dress legally .

Don't be so sure about that any more.

38 LuckyDog  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:30am

Waitaminute. Is there a male relative/husband standing somewhere nearby while she's at work, or will she be honor killed at home when her shift is over?

39 Allahpalooza  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:30am
#15 DesertSage

Pork is like Krytonite to Muslims.
It's their Achilles Heel...

Just make sure its green pork and not red pork. The green pork weakens them, but the red pork makes them turn into crazed lunatics.

40 Gander  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:25:36am

What about my human rights as someone who finds pork delicious? I feel oppressed and disrespected!

41 pegcity  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:26:03am

remind me to steer clear of Muslimapolis.

42 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:26:24am

Love it or leave it, bag lady.

Keep the seventh century back in the sand pit where it belongs.

43 new2thezoo  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:26:37am

Sharia Watch in San Diego... WalMart employees are allowed to wear the veil.

44 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:26:41am
45 so.cal.swede  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:26:42am

i wanna go up to that cashier with a cartload of kosher salt, pork rinds, hot dogs, kosher pickles, matzo ball mix, doggy treats, sausages, pork chops every day until a manager notices she needs someone else to handle every order she rings up, she'll be given the boot.

Now that WILL NOT HAPPEN, because she could probably SUE target for religious discrimination.

46 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:15am

BEWARE THE WRATH OF PORKOPOLIS!

47 SevoGuy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:17am

I'm here to notify all extemist muslims that I am flying out of JKF on March 17th and will be flying with my vial of PIGS BLOOD. So any muslim terrorist that wants to blow up my plane should know that he will never touch a single one of his 72 virgins if he tries to blow up my plane. Even a molecule of pigs blood will bar them from going to the place they call paradise; which we Chistians and Jews really know is HELL.

I personally try not do go to TARGET because of the incident with a cashiers crusifix. We should all boycott Target so they either go out of business or submit to reason.

Your allah is satan.

48 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:19am

#25 Pete(Detroit)

Wait until they sue Hooters, or your favorite booby-bar...

It's coming.

49 Abu Maven  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:21am

Actually, I always wonder if the Muslim guy making my ham sandwich at Subway is freaking out because of the ham. So far, no evidence of that...

50 so.cal.swede  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:45am

#39 Allahpalooza

hahah, "Tar?... well, they're not gonna smoke it!"

51 NoSubmission  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:54am

How does one ring up groceries in a burqa?

Isn't sight required?

52 Cato the Elder  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:56am

Islam = The Religion of Special Treatment.

"Tolerance for me but not for thee" might as well be its motto.

53 looking closely  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:27:58am

#8 Earthtomoonbat.

Rather than caving in to what amounts to an unreasonable demand, let Target fight this in court and see what happens when the issue goes to a jury of its peers.

My tolerance of your religion does not require me to maintain your employ in a job you cannot do. Its not discrimination to fire someone based on their inability to do what they are paid to do. (And its not up to the Target employees to decide what their own job description is, or to arbitrarily decide one day that its changed).

If this woman refuses to touch pork products why can't she wear gloves? Why can't she find a nice Halal grocery to work in?

It would be nice of Target to move her to a non-pork handling job within the same store, though they certainly shouldn't feel obligated to.

NOT incidentally, this whole thing stinks. How come all of a sudden this is an issue? Haven't Muslims been working in these stores for decades? It would be one thing if these people were new hires and legitimately didn't know what was expected of them, but that appears not to be the case here.

54 pegcity  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:28:11am

#44 BabbaZee

I had a muslim caller named Ahmed Mohammed Jallah. And his verbal password was NogodbutAllah.

Wow i couldnt get off the phone fast enough.

I kept checking for Hamas funbucks in his account.

55 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:28:28am

#37 Earth2moonbat
No one has the balls to do whats right anymore.

56 don't be that guy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:28:43am

yeah but, bacon taste good,
pork chops taste good,

57 incrementandexcrement  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:05am

YOU Can't handle the pork!

/Burka clad Nicholson off

58 Drive_By_Stevia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:24am

Kinda puts new hope for the success of those pig races outside of Katy, Texas, eh?
Mosque vs. Pigs

59 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:37am

I'd have opened the damn bacon up and crammed it down the ***'s hole.

60 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:43am

14 Dustoff-507

Time for wallmart

Go read the comments in the link Charles provided:

I had a similar situation at Super Walmart in Shakopee. The cashier mustered up the most condescending look that she could, only to find out that the item was actually made from turkey.

As soon as the cab drivers started, I knew this was coming.

61 Buck  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:48am

Don't EAT the pizza, just scan it...

There is NOTHING in Islam that stops her from scanning a cardboard box filled with pizza.

The no- pork rule is about EATING. It comes directly from the jewish practice. Which does get real squeemish about pork blood as well.

BUT A SEALED BOX? Nope. As the Lizard master says, it ain't about the pork.

62 pegcity  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:29:54am

Religion of Jihad

63 world b. free  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:30:17am

I wonder who the 5th district's congressional representative is.

Actually, I don't wonder.

64 hyphen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:30:33am

This is just insane. What aren't these people not offended about?

65 jehu  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:03am

I scan the pizza myself, pay, go to the manager and very loudly proclaim I will NEVER shop at his fucking Mosque again! These shit better stop before it gets started.

66 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:13am
67 Stuck in california  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:31am

I used to run a meat shop and had a Muslim meat cutter working for me. He could cut pork with the best of them.
Took him out for pizza and beer. Would not eat pork on pizza but sure did enjoy the beer. Good guy too.

68 Ronnie Schreiber  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:35am

Earth2moonbat,

It's not a privilege for Muslims alone.

The Civil Rights Act as amended in 1972 obligates businesses to make "reasonable" accommodation of employee's religious needs.

Typically the courts give the employers a wide latitude and it's hard to win a case, but it is the law.

About 30 years ago I initiated legal action (in my case through the Civil Service) against the Post Office for firing me for refusing the work on the Jewish Sabbath whenthey hired me for a summer position. Since the Post Office works 365 days a year, they could have assigned me to work on Sundays instead of Saturday. Instead they fired me, stonewalled the hearing process, lied, and then two days before the decisive hearing offered me a settlement to keep it from establishing legal precedent.

My favorite part of the incident was a little dog and pony show the regional superintendent put on for my benefit. I was told to report to his office. There were two other summer employees in his office and he kept saying that it was unfair to them to let me have Saturday off. The superintendent was black and when I told him he was violating my civil rights the guy exploded at me and started blustering about his wife being an officer in the NAACP and I had no business talking about civil rights.

69 ratherdashing  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:36am

More Minneapolis Muslim News. The six non-flying imams have filed suit.


MINNEAPOLIS - Six Islamic leaders who were removed from a US Airways flight in November are suing the airline for discrimination.

The imams were returning from a religious conference in November when they were taken off a plane in Minneapolis, handcuffed and questioned. They had prayed on their prayer rugs in the Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport before the flight, and after they boarded, a passenger passed a note to a flight attendant.

When the men returned to the airport the next day, they said, the airline refunded their fare but refused to sell them another ticket.

US Airways Group Inc. has said prayer was never the issue. A passenger reported overhearing anti-U.S. statements, and the men got up and moved around the airplane, the airline said.

The men said they had done nothing that should have been suspicious.

US Airways released a statement saying it hadn't seen the lawsuit, filed Monday, but that its initial position had not changed: that its employees "acted appropriately, and we continue to back the actions of our crew and ground employees in this case."

70 pegcity  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:31:56am

and this is what happens when your muslim population hits 5% imagine 10 or 25.

Oh wait i dont need too ill just look at whats happening in France, oh wait i forgot its illegal to tell the truth there now.

71 RTLM  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:32:31am

Good thing the pizza is wrapped - they might spit in it before giving it to you.

(And I'd rather them not handle my food if their bathroom rules disallow them from washing their hands among the kufar. (sp)

She's a Hepatitis risk. Fire her.

72 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:32:45am

#55 BabbaZee

Look at #24. If they fight it, they'll probably lose, because they have the US government behind them. They don't even have to use CAIR money, they can get your money and mine to hire their lawyers.

Under "equal employment opportunity", some are more equal than others.

73 Poitiers-Lepanto  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:33:05am

#65 Jehu

That is probably the only possible winning strategy.
Hit the wallet of the shari'a enablers.

Yes.

74 realwest  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:33:11am

WHEW! Charles could ya maybe slow down just a little on the posting of new threads? I can't hardly keep up - I can read your posts ok, but haven't had time to read many comments on any of them!
Course, I know I'm older and more tired than a lot of the lizards (hopefully more than 99% of the lizards, LOL!) but I have to think that some others here have the same problem that I do: get a chance to read a post, then the link, then think about it and before you can post a comment, whammo, another post and thread!
Just sayin...

75 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:33:44am

Just think, if Muslims all had jobs at the local hog farm, none of them would ever have to actually work. Just pray all day and bitch about the work environment.

76 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:33:46am

And about that burkha, which was probably just a hijab (most folks don't know the difference). Honestly, as long as her face is showing I don't care if her hair is covered. But if Target requires employees to wear red tops and khaki pants or skirts, does her hijab have to be red?

77 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:08am

Those of us who are able to shop at a Target should head on down today, or in the next couple days, get some pork product, go to a muslim cashier, wait for another cashier, then demand to see the manager. Let Target HQ be flooded with messages from Target managers all over the US. Maybe then they'll get it.

/The customer is always right.

78 pegcity  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:09am

#69 ratherdashing

Good they will get destroyed in Court.

79 oilbertan  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:35am

#7 Thanks for that now I have to wipe the coffee off of my computer screen. Too funny.

80 Merovign  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:36am

#31 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

The movie's effort wound be fruitless, because "values in Iranian culture and the Islamic Revolution are too strongly seated to be damaged by such plans", said the Iranin official.

Yeah, Javad, it's AAALLL about YOU!

#48 Earth2moonbat

Wait until they sue Hooters, or your favorite booby-bar...

It's coming.

Heck, they attack people in Indonesia over dirty magazines, why not?

81 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:39am

#69, ratherdashing

Not news to LGF of course.

82 right wing zephyr  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:35:39am

Muslims suing Mnpls St. Paul

FREEDOM OF FAITH ON COMPANY TIME? MORE MUSLIMS IN MINNESOTA AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY ARE SUING EMPLOYERS, ALLEGING RELIGIOUS DISCRIMINATION. BUSINESSES SAY THEY'RE JUST TRYING TO GET THE JOB DONE.
School bus driver Seham Nabry says her boss confiscated her prayer mats and complained that her ritual hand and feet washing messed up the office bathroom. She also says he blared Christian music and taunted Muslim workers as they prayed. Nabry said giving up her daily prayers - one of the five pillars of Islam - wasn't an option. So she did what more and more Muslims in Minnesota and across the country are doing - she sued her employer. "People told me I should...

83 HeatherRadish  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:22am

#8 Earth2moonbat

Target may not have much of a choice in the matter. Muslims have successfully sued for accommodations in other places.

Sending over a manager to do an employee's job for them is not "reasonable accomodation."

84 jonturner  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:31am

I don't understand al this talk about shopping at that particular Target in order to frustrate the employee and (hopefully) shame the manager into action, as if increasing a store's daily financials were punishment.

Instead, we should be discussing NOT shopping at that Target store, or any other until Corporate has a chance to "clarify" their policy on employees not doing their jobs, disrespecting customers, refusing to follow the dress code (kakhi slacks & red shirt?) and substituting a black sack and face mask. It's important that store managers hear precisely why you, as a customer, are walking out of that store and instead patronizing the competition.

I don't deal well with people in hoods, be they Klan or Muslim or just plain old burglars.

85 looking closely  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:34am

Questions for direct Examination

Ms. Burqa, how long have you been working at Target?

When you took the job, were you aware that handling packaged pork products was part of your job requirement? Did you inquire if this was a job requirement? If so, what was management's response?

When did you find out that handling pork products was part of your job requirement?

How long did you work at Target before you realized that you were handling pork products?

How long did you handle the pork products before you decided not to do so any longer?

Did you ever request that you be excused from that responsibility from management? When? What was their response?

Is there any religious or community figure who has asked you NOT to handle these products? When did that happen?

etc. . .

This would be a fun line of questioning sure to elicit many wonderful answers.

86 whisker away  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:38am

#37 Earth2moonbat
No one has the balls to do whats right anymore.

Nail---Head

87 Drive_By_Stevia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:48am

#70 pegcity 3/13/2007 09:31AM PDT

and this is what happens when your muslim population hits 5% imagine 10 or 25.

LOL pegcity.

I wonder if there's MONEY TO BE MADE in breeding pigs? Maybe a little porker version of the Jack Russell Terrier, that (hopefully) doesn't grow bigger than a sofa. Something to keep the ROP out of the neighborhood?

88 Dar ul Harb  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:37:59am

#82,

Well, then, they'll just have to go on the dole, like in Eurabia...

89 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:38:14am

A lot of Somalians also work on the tax payer subsidized downtown Target also. Not sure if that has been an issue there.

Also this:
[Link: www.startribune.com...]


Imams sue over removal from plane
The six Muslims were barred from a flight after passengers became alarmed.
By Richard Meryhew, Star Tribune
Last update: March 12, 2007 – 11:59 PM

Six Muslim imams ordered off a US Airways flight at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport last November have filed a discrimination lawsuit against the airline and the Metropolitan Airports Commission, claiming they were removed from the plane because of their race and religion.
In a 38-page document filed Monday in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis, the plaintiffs said they were "horrified and humiliated" after police removed them, under pilot's orders, from the plane in front of dozens of other passengers Nov. 20 "as if they were criminals."
...(cut)...
Passenger accounts differ

Pauline Klemmer, a passenger on the flight that day, said Monday that the imams' account of what happened is "a total untruth."

Klemmer said she believes the men deliberately acted out as part of a "repeated attempt" to weaken security and intimidate airline employees.

"They weren't the victim," Klemmer said. "If we had been afraid of them because of their race, or them loudly praying prior to them getting on the plane, we would not have gotten on the plane, and we did. They chose to make an obvious big scene."

Rita Snelson, of Maplewood, who also was on the flight and sitting near several of the imams, agreed.

"I can't explain it, but it was like they were definitely trying to raise suspicion," she said. "The pilot did what he had to do, and we're very honored by that. I told the airline afterward, 'Thank you for watching over us.' "

90 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:39:40am

#68 Ronnie Schreiber

Frankly, I don't think they should have accommodated you, either. Look at the precedent that's been set. Where's it going to stop? I'm not going to feel sorry for you if you end up getting injured by someone who snuck a bomb into a place under a burka that the company had to allow the employee to wear. The problem is that when the word "reasonable" finds it's way into laws, it will eventually end up being applied unreasonably. Guaranteed.

91 easy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:39:52am
a cashier wearing a burka looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a frozen pepperoni pizza.


How do you look uncomfortable in a burka?

92 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:40:13am

#70 pegcity

Oh wait i dont need too ill just look at whats happening in France, oh wait i forgot its illegal to tell the truth there now.

It's not illegal to tell the truth in France, it's just illegal to make video recordings of it.

Note to USAir: I will fly your airline whenever possible if you continue your policy of discriminating against provocative passengers.

Note to Target: I will be cutting up my REDcard.

93 dead sea squirrel  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:40:39am

This little piggy went to market court.

94 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:09am

24 E2M Is that the sausage factory case? Observant extremist muslimas working the line in a sausage factory?

Just so their sisters in the faith can refuse to touch the plastic packaging in a Target checkout?

Send them all home to Shariaville.

95 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:26am

I hear that the shops inside the security hoops and xray
line at LAX are mostly Somalis...
/lax-so screwed...

96 Merovign  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:27am

#68 Ronnie Schreiber

The superintendent was black and when I told him he was violating my civil rights the guy exploded at me and started blustering about his wife being an officer in the NAACP and I had no business talking about civil rights.

I can just see the bug-eyed response, as the supervisor stands up and yells, "Gawd damnit, get off my gravy train! It's mine, MINE MINE!"

I'll bet he believes you have to be white to be racist (or Asian, or hispanic, or...).

97 pat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:45am

Do the MN topless bars have to hire Burka Babes now? What is the world coming too?

98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:47am

#75 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Just pray all day and bitch about the work environment

Sounds like a Union shop.

99 looking closely  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:57am

#84

Spot on.

Target is a spineless corporation. They aren't interested in principle, but in profit.

With enough complaints from customers, Target may come to the conclusion that fighting a few Muslims in court and enduring a few baseless charges of Islamophobia is cheaper than losing customers.

100 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:41:57am
The Civil Rights Act as amended in 1972 obligates businesses to make "reasonable" accommodation of employee's religious needs.

Question is, is this a legitamate religious requirment or a power grab? Other Muslims say that you can drive a taxi with beer in it or handle a pizza, you just can't consume them yourself.

Online poll for the Imams suing Northwest Airlines.

For the Imans 95
For the airline 1493

101 firegeezer  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:42:03am

If I lived in that neighborhood, I'd round up about 20 people and we would all take turns getting in that cretin's checkout line with a pack of bacon...space them out so that she's repeatedly forced to go to plan B. Then we'd go back tomorrow and do it again...and again.

I'd have to violate one of my principles, though...I haven't set foot in a Target since they threw the Salvation Army off the front porch.

102 Lorenska  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:42:40am

There are so many thoughts I had when I read this, many of which are already posted here, but I have to vent anyway...

What bothers me most is that if not for LGF, I would probably never hear this story. This should be front page news anywhere that values American freedoms...can you imagine if the tables were turned? If it were, say, a Catholic who refused to ring up condoms, or meat on a Friday? Or a member of ANY other religion refusing to do ANYTHING their job required, and then blamed it on their faith? It would never be tolerated, the person would be fired - and members of other religions would ACCEPT that, understanding that if they couldn't do the job, they shouldn't be paid for doing nothing...but as was mentioned here several times, a Muslim geting fired for something like this would bring the lawsuits (or worse) down so fast we'd be crushed by them.

#47 SevoGuy- I was trying to remember before I read your post... I THOUGHT there was something in the past about Target punishing an employee for wearing a crucifix, is that what you're referring to? If I'm remembering right and that's what happened, then there should absolutely be shouting from the rooftops over this. Christians can't wear a small piece of jewelry that has no affect on anyone, but Muslims can refuse to perform duties of their job? On what freaking planet is that OK? I know, Planet Islam - but that doesn't make me any less queasy about it.

103 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:42:58am
Do the MN topless bars have to hire Burka Babes now? What is the world coming too?

Not at the King of Diamonds. I mean, not that I've heard.

104 marcusa  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:43:06am

I am okay with this. All they have to do is to ask the neighboring cashier, a manager or whoever to handle it.

Frequently when buying "adult beverages" the cashier has to call for help. Are they Islamic? Nope, they are under 21 years of age.

This is different from the taxi drivers refusing service to those carrying adult beverages. Save the fire for that case.

Now, the cashier tried to prevent the transaction all together then I would have a problem.

105 frankp_63  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:43:19am

I agree; forget the pork. It's a distraction. It's what they want you think this is all about, because it seems to strike at something really primal (BBQ) in a lot of people.

This is about nothing but abusing our democratic laws and institutions to slowly impose an intolerant, racist, totalitarian ideology they want every human being on earth to submit to.

It's called evil and it bugs the hell out of us that more free people don't want to see it that way.

106 buddy06  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:43:49am

I love the taste, good bacon and eggs

good comments amigo's

107 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:44:05am

1 Kragar---right. you can't believe the commentarty on police a lot of us get at work from supervisors, clothes, over-caot color, facial hair, haircuts, plus all the nuts-and-bolts of the business. So these f*cks get a PASS? This is just b.s.
/Your fired.

108 Shr_Nfr  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:44:18am

Hey gang, lets "cluster bomb" Tehran along with their nuke facilities with pork rinds. It won't cause any fatalities, but it sure will depopulate the area...

Look, enough is enough on this I took this job but I won't perform it stuff. If you take the job, you take the job. If you do not want to do the job then don't take the job. It is not a case of religious discrimination. Find a job that does not conflict with your belief system.

109 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:44:47am

1 kragar- commentary, policy...

110 Pawn of the Oppressor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:45:19am

#87 Drive_By_Stevia

and this is what happens when your muslim population hits 5% imagine 10 or 25.

Somewhere between 7-10% is the Domestic Terrorism threshold. That's when you start getting riots and bus bombings.

111 RaiderDan  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:45:22am

Next up, Muslim police officers refuse to guard synagogues or Israeli embassy.

Oops. Already got that:

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

Can't wait for Muslim firefighters to refuse to enter a burning home with reports of people trapped as there's a mezzuzah on the front door.

Why Republicans shop at Wal-Mart and Dhimmicrats will continue to shop at Tar-jet...

112 TS  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:45:36am

I've noticed a Muslim women working in a few different Targets where I live. Wonder if CAIR got to them, and now comes the real agenda.

113 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:00am

Have to say something good about Target...the brougt back "Merry Christmas" this past December.

Their big downtown store even had that hanging over the entrance. I made a point to shop there because of that.

114 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:04am

100 Dave the...

Online poll for the Imams suing Northwest Airlines.

FYI- It's US Airways. Either way- they won't win.

115 Bubbaman  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:12am

My answer to the [bigoted word]s who won't handle pork:

SEE HERE

116 Persistor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:39am

I worked as a cashier part-time to pay part of my college tuition. I was diagnosed with asthma and I get very sick whenever I catch a bad cold. But that did not mean I had the right to refuse service to an obviously sick customer, even though in that case my health was at risk. I knew the risks when I worked there.

117 RAMI1  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:43am

Islam is an aggressive form of cancer to any civilized society. It's beginning to take hold here in America and not many folks realize it.

118 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:47:00am

31 Kragar ROFLOL What? Paranoid much?

"I've met Emperor Xerxes, little man, and you are no Xerxes"

Or Darius or whoever the Persian Emperor was in 300.

Hell, was it Nebudchadnezzer? LOL I don't go to hollyweird movies, even if the mullahs don't like them.

119 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:47:36am

Wanna stop this B*llsh*t?

Don't check-out with any cashier who wears a scarf.

Remember, this is America. You have a choice. You get to decide with whom you want to engage in any commerce.

120 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:48:13am

29-dustoff- yeah, Muslim-sota...

121 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:48:38am

#98 Kragar (proud to be kafir)

Sounds like a Union shop.

Non-Pork Handlers Local #648 A.D.

122 Murqtaad  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:48:42am

rwz,

from yer post,

She also says he blared Christian music and taunted Muslim workers as they prayed.

Riiight, cuz we all know how peacefully muslims react to everything.

/jihad playbook, chapter 19, verse 19.

123 realwest  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:48:55am

#90 Earth2moonbat - Sorry to have to disagree with you on this one, but I think Ronnie Schreiber was within his rights to ask to NOT have to work on HIS Sabbath. He wasn't refusing to work a full work week, nor was he refusing to serve certain customers.
In my experience (admittedly in NYC where there is a very significant Jewish population) it was fairly common practice to allow religious Jews to take what time off was necessary for them to follow their religion's tenets. For example, almost every Jewish person I know (including both of my ex-wives) would not work at least the first day of Rosh Hoshanna, nor after dark on Fridays and not at all on Passover.
I only know two Christians who refuse to work on Sundays, Easter and Christmas and their employers said "OK, we'll just take it (the days/time off) from your personal days or vacation days" and many employers don't do that, either.

124 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:49:08am

Charles, this is a bit disturbing. Your quote from the linked article says:

a cashier wearing a burka

I went to the link and at the moment it says:

But he was a little vague on the details, so I decided to check it out myself. At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a hijab looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a frozen pepperoni pizza. She immediately called for help, and another employee rang up the pizza and placed it in the basket.

There's a substantial difference, and as I mentioned earlier I (and probably most people) don't really mind if someone covers her hair, as long as her face is exposed. Has the original article been changed? Inquiring minds want to know.

125 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:49:27am

Once again Americans are left reacting to events being orchestrated and produced by others with them setting the terms. We are no longer the country that used to say Welcome, now become an American or leave. I remember seeing the bumper stickers when I was a kid saying Love it or leave it. Back then it was source of pride now it something that is supposed to be a shiled of shame. It doesn't matter whether you are addressing the illegal immigrant issue or the stupid practice of shari'a.
I have seen one women wearing a burqua in a store recently. I went up to her and told her I was so sorry she was having to live as a slave. Her eyes showed disbelief or fear but I suggested that if she could contact a civil rights group because slavery is illegal in this country.
She just walked away, puzzled I am sure, but I believe in messing with them before they mess with me.
It is time for those who profess to be Americans to go on the offensive. I am tired of taking the crap. There are means of making a point, just like they do without resorting to physical measures.
Nobody will tolerate a 2 year olds temper tantrum very long without swatting their backside, well most people won't, and we shouldn't be toleranting this behavior either.
Here in GA we have clowns taking pictures of vehicles tags of vehicles that have stickers offensive to Muslims and posting them on the web with notes encouraging other believers to go after us. Mine hasn't appeared on the web yet but it ain't from lack of trying. So far most of them appear to be in Gwinnett County a suburb north and east of ATL proper.

126 RepJ  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:49:27am

Girl needs to try that here in the South where pork rinds are the big deal. She wouldn't be able to check anyone out, period.

127 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:49:31am

119 Hot Rod Kid

Wanna stop this B*llsh*t?

Don't check-out with any cashier who wears a scarf.

I disagree. Go to them, make them do their job and if they refuse, pitch a fit to the manager.

/The customer is always right

128 pat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:50:20am

111 Raider Dan
"Can't wait for Muslim firefighters to refuse to enter a burning home with reports of people trapped as there's a mezzuzah on the front door."

I f they house has females in it, Muslim 'firemen' will simply block the doors because of their improper dress. Sharia calls for them to be burnt alive for such indiscretion.

I think it is about time the government encouraged the dismissal of employees that refuse to serve the public at large. The privileged status of Muslims is becoming a civil rights issue.

129 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:50:56am

Give me a break. We observe Kashrut, and if I were working in Target, and had her job? I would just do what I had to, and handling pork products would not bring down a thunderbolt on my head, fergoodness' sake.

I wonder what members of the cult of islam did when pork insulin was in use..die rather than inject it? In their honor I will pat a cute little piggie on the head when we take any of the grandkids to a petting zoo.

In Judaism? Pork and beef insulin were used by all Jews who needed it to treat diabetes...it is a matter of one's health being the only consideration if there is no alternative. On Yom Kippur? I cannot fast, as I must take 3 shots of insulin/day. I eat only enough to cover the dose. Now insulin is made from recombinant DNA, so there is no problem. That is why when useless tools like Mary Tyler Moore scream out for PETA, I spit..she is a Type I diabetic, and had to use pork or beef insulin until around 1982 or so.

We see more and more cult of islam females working as cashiers at a store called Fairway Market when we go to Brooklyn or LI to see our kids...I will watch the next time we go to see what these snotty cashiers, who have, in general, an attitude problem do...they are so hateful..that dagger look? Feh.

130 jwm  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:51:13am

"I can't even touch it."

You can't even work here then.

Simple.

JWM

131 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:51:35am

dopp

Never seem an employee wear a burka. I'm guessing the story was wrong at first and has been corrected.

132 pat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:51:37am

#127 Sharmuta
Right on. Leave the groceries on the counter and walk out loudly!

133 alpheus  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:51:41am

#38 LuckDog

good point. if there is an honor killing, it will probably be after payday.

134 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:51:42am

122 Murqtaad

/jihad playbook, chapter 19, verse 19.

Ooo- you play down and dirty.

/Love. It. :)

135 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:52:02am

48-E2M...No-o-o-o, not booby bars...what do the Islams have against boobies...?

136 Infidel Pride  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:52:15am

Has the refusal to handle pork got anything to do with some people calling the Moslems the other white meat?

137 Persistor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:52:16am

#110 Pawn of the Oppressor:

Somewhere between 7-10% [of Muslims] is the Domestic Terrorism threshold. That's when you start getting riots and bus bombings.


I prefer to look at the combined percentages of Leftists plus Muslims as an indicator of irreversible decline.

Once the combined percentages of Leftists plus Muslims hits 50% (in any combination), that coalition can't be turned around anymore. Example: Mayor Livingstone of London.

138 Drive_By_Stevia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:52:17am

110 Pawn of the Oppressor 3/13/2007 09:45AM PDT
Somewhere between 7-10% is the Domestic Terrorism threshold. That's when you start getting riots and bus bombings."

Pawn, that's when the second amendment is going to make a WHOLE LOT MORE SENSE to a lot of people...lol.

I find myself wishing for another terrorist attack...hopefully on Hollywood. Does that make me a Democrat?

...Not getting older...just more heavily armed!...lol

139 squarepeg  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:52:45am

#77 Sharmuta

Those of us who are able to shop at a Target should head on down today, or in the next couple days, get some pork product, go to a muslim cashier, wait for another cashier, then demand to see the manager.

Unfortunately I can't do this, because all the cashiers at my local Targets are illegal Hispanics.

/They're starting to look good to me.

140 unstable  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:53:19am

Is it time to start a clearinghouse of bag hag sightings at food markets so we can all go pay a pork-filled visit?

Just like they are organized in their attempts to test our resolve, we should get up off our damn computers and get organized to resist.

We are Americans, dammit. When did we lose our will to live like it?

141 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:53:43am

FYI:

Minnesota has the largest (or 2nd largest) population of Muslims from Somalia.

I know. I live here.

Why do we allow a large population of Muslims into this country instead of let's say, uh, East Europeans who really would like come here a live the American Dream? Thank the Democrats and President Johnson who changed the US Immigration policy to include more diversity in the US population. The concept of "Diversity Is God" goes back to the mid-sixties.

142 Van Impe  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:53:46am

Back when the Minneapolis cab driver story broke I made a joke about Muslims refusing to deliver pepperoni pizza. Who knew that it would become reality so quickly.

143 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:54:00am

In calif, Target banned the Salvation army and the bell ringin kettle-keeper at Christmas time. But the got their head handed to them,iirc.

144 lurx  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:54:39am

i feel safe when i eat ham

145 doppelganglander  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:55:03am

#131 Dave the...: I haven't either, and I'm sure you're right. I wanted to point out the change to Charles because accuracy is important, and there is a significant difference between a burkha and a hijab. Although either way, the cashier's behavior is out of line.

146 X-ray  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:55:20am

Not shopping at Target is the best option but if you do shop there always load the pork first on the belt and if they wont handle the pork walk out the door leaving the full cart to be restocked.

147 godfrey  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:55:34am

Mini-Allahpolis!

148 Drive_By_Stevia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:56:25am

#137 Persistor 3/13/2007 09:52AM PDT

Once the combined percentages of Leftists plus Muslims hits 50% (in any combination), that coalition can't be turned around anymore. Example: Mayor Livingstone of London."

Persistor, you just KNOW that when (not IF) Sharia law is attempted in the USA, it'll go to California first.

I CAN'T WAIT to see Barbara Streisand's reaction to being told to cover herself! (and what a GREAT idea!)

hahahhahahahahhaha

149 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:57:32am

The easiest solution? Change her job to unloading trucks in the back of the store. Sure, honey, you won't have to unload any of those nice light pork boxes. You're working in the furniture warehouse. Here's your back brace.

Problem solved.

150 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:57:37am

72 E2M- Savage said a year ago that we'd have to fight the fed bureaucrats along with the Islams...

151 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:57:59am

#122 Murqtaad 3/13/2007 09:48AM PDT

/jihad playbook, chapter 19, verse 19.

You don't know how prescient you are

152 nyc redneck  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:58:14am

when these con artist moslems w/ their phony bullshit claims start winning alot of court cases how are decent hard working law abiding americas going to keep from going HOG WILD on these scum?

153 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:59:04am

#147 godfrey 3/13/2007 09:55AM PDT

Mini-Allahpolis!


Lizards and Hatchlings, we have a winner.

154 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:59:30am
155 Murqtaad  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:59:36am

Babba,

Heh, pure coincidence, I swear.

156 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:00:01am

69-rather.. I think the objective is to so tick offthe passengers that the creeps get pounded. That is where it is going- to assault charges, criminal charges. They want it and they invite it. They're gonna get it too.

157 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:01:20am

141 Hot Rod Kid Don't forget that GW Bush wants to bring us 7,000 new Iraqi "refugees." I'm not gonna hold my breath that Christians and Jews go to the front of that line, are you?

And the Bush state department is doing a big push as we speak to speed up the student visa process for Saudis.

I wish it was only folks with a D after their name who are screwing us.

158 squarepeg  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:02:12am

#129 NYNana

I wonder what members of the cult of islam did when pork insulin was in use..die rather than inject it?

That is exactly what some of them were doing. They also use inferior synthetic artificial organs rather than use pork-tissue ones that more closely conform to human tissues and have better and longer survival rates.

Many nursing mothers, pregnant women, and newborns also suffer from Vitamin D deficiencies because of the women's insufficient exposure to the sun due to being covered up all the time -- this in desert lands where sunlight is so plentiful that ... oh hell do I even have to finish the sentence.

Can you imagine doing this to your kids? Oh well, Allahu akbar and all that!

159 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:02:13am

Here's one silver lining in this cloud:

We won't have to worry about Muslims taking away even more jobs from Americans in the meat packing plants.

(I know that the illegal immigrants from Mexico are already doing that. But if the wave of immigrant Muslims, who are mostly legal, entered the meat packing plant jobs line, wages in that industry would go even lower.)

160 Irene NYC  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:02:53am

Since when are a cashier's moral judgments allowed to demean a customer, which is what this is. She's saying, "What you put in your mouth is dirty, you dirty kuffir." It's a total lack of respect and civility to the customer and should be dealt with accordingly.

161 stuiec  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:03:24am

Anyone ever hear of a "bona fide occupational qualification"? Sheeze!

162 godfrey  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:03:27am

Black Burka and Bacon

I do not like them in a box.
I do not like them, or hocks.
I do not like them in my house.
I do not like them with my (don't hit me!) spouse.
I do not like them here or there.
I do not like them anywhere.
I do not like bacon, pork, or spam.
I do not like you, Uncle Sam-I-am.

163 X-ray  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:04:03am

151 Babazee
WTH chapter 8 says no

It is narrated by Ibn 'Umar that a woman was found killed in one of these battles; so the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) forbade the killing of women and children.


Chapter 9 says Ok

Sa'b b. Jaththama has narrated that the Prophet (may peace be upon him) asked: What about the children of polytheists killed by the cavalry during the night raid? He said: They are from them.


Great rule book

164 strandedsf  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:04:04am

Does anyone else just want these people to choke to death, crushed and smothered in a vat of pork? Spaghetti carbonara? French pork lardons? Bacon bits? Andouille jambalaya?

Any other suggestions? My imagination seems somewhat limited today. Can anybody think of a soupy pork concoction suitable for drowning moms-in-a-bag?

165 kirche  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:05:12am

"But then, this really isn’t about the pork."

let's assume it IS about the pork - - chuck makes an interesting point in that the pepperoni pizza is well packaged in plastic and cardboard... so, if the packaging doesn't properly insulate a muslim from pork "contamination", then by that logic wouldn't almost every object a muslim could come into contact with throughout a typical kafir day, including infidel monkey people, be treated as if they were permanently contaminated from contact, ingestion or even lust for pork? theoretically and theologically, muslims can never be sure and therefore should not be working ANYWHERE in the western world OR leave their homes upon immigration... for the sake of religious purity; their very souls are at stake.

yes, we should accommodate their pious needs and legislate accordingly.

166 Stinger McGraw  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:05:49am

74 realwest 3/13/2007 09:33AM PDT

Course, I know I'm older and more tired than a lot of the lizards (hopefully more than 99% of the lizards, LOL!) but I have to think that some others here have the same problem that I do: get a chance to read a post, then the link, then think about it and before you can post a comment, whammo, another post and thread!
Just sayin...

I'm in the same boat. Not sure if I fall in the 1% field or the 99%. By the time I see a new thread, go through to make sure I am not going to make a point that 20 other people have made, it is a dead thread.

I hate MeToo posts (Even though this is one.) ;)

167 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:06:31am
168 godfrey  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:07:45am

The comments at the original post are interesting. I love this one:

If she does not want to even touch it, why should anyone eat it? After all, Jesus did not eat pork. If we want to follow him, we should likewise avoid it. Even if you are addicted to pig meat, be a man and ring it up yourself. Stop whining about this.

Not the sharpest scimitar in the razzia posse, this one.

169 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:08:13am

115 Bubbaman- that is sooo funny...true too, Say, lets pack bacon slices when we fly...Can't take that away from us can they.
/just in case..something happens, viz the flying dickweeds, I'm gonna pull my rasher...

170 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:09:30am

I must say, my timing is impeccable. I'm making some nice center-cut boneless porkchops when I get home. When I'm done, I'll fart in the general direction of this hag in a bag.

171 jonturner  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:09:47am

#38 LuckyDog
Good point. I also wonder whether this oh, so "devout" muslim also refuses to swipe credit cards... after all, charging interest is haraam.

[purely rhethorical, of course. As Charles said, it's not about the pork.]

172 -Mozart-  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:10:05am

I once quit a job because managers asked me to do something that I felt was against my Christian beliefs. I respect their right to do the same. If you're going to stand up for your beliefs, quit your job over it.

I'm not surprised Target has surrendered in this case. They are, after all, owned by the French.

173 uptight  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:10:55am

Why is purity such an OCD for Muslims? They don't have to wear jihab, they just have to dress modestly. They can handle pork, they just should eat it.

Taken to a psychotic nth degree, they shouldn't be in the same country as pork. Which is the sort of overall aim of their clerics. Total sharia law - and piece by piece they will get it.

174 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:12:11am

#123 realwest

Let me be clear. It's not a problem to accommodate Jews, and that should be done informally. But look at the machinery that's been set into motion. Do you not think that eventually, with enough muslims running to the EEOC and filing suits and getting settlements, that all of these accommodations, from refusing to handle pork, alcohol, and God knows what else, to wearing full facial garb will become their "civil right"?

It's the machinery that I'm objecting to, not reasonable accommodations for Jews or any other religious minority. I don't think anyone had the slightest inkling of what they were putting in place when they passed these laws requiring "reasonable" accommodation. You know as well as I do that what's absurd and atrocious today becomes reasonable in the courts tomorrow.

You just can't give them that much attitude. These things will all come to pass. Probably within 10 years. I'll bet you any amount of money.

175 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:13:01am

Murqtaad, BabbaZee

Here I thought it was referencing Sura 19:19.

176 HeatherRadish  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:13:25am

#165 kirche

so, if the packaging doesn't properly insulate a muslim from pork "contamination", then by that logic wouldn't almost every object a muslim could come into contact with throughout a typical kafir day

I've read that astonishing percentages of U.S. one-dollar bills have traces of cocaine. I think it's fair to assume that most bills of all denominations have been used to purchase fast food and possibly bacon cheeseburgers, and thus have come in contact with bacon cheeseburgers, or fingers greasy with bacon cheeseburger, rendering (hee hee!) any job involving cash haram.

177 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:13:50am
178 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:14:53am

The Pantsuit is already getting desperate.

Return of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy

Thanks for reminding us of Monica Lewinsky again, you idiot.

She's so stupid, she also unwittingly accuses Democrats if being un-American.

179 "Oh no...Sand People!"  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:15:17am

I will never understand how a burqa trapped prisoner of Islamonazi-ism would be that fanatical...Stockholm Syndrome?

180 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:16:06am
#24 Earth2moonbat 3/13/2007 09:21AM PDT

Here's a case where muslims got over $50,000 apiece and their jobs back, with prayer-time priveliges, because they company wouldn't initially give them prayer time off.

They are legally privileged.

They are not legally privileged. The problem in that particular case is that the employer hired them knowing they were Muslim and agreed from the get-go to accomodate their prayer needs - until he decided not to accomodate it.

Can't do that. There is a generally accepted principle in employment law of past behaviour and behaviour towards others setting a precedent.

181 HeatherRadish  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:16:14am

#169 big L

Say, lets pack bacon slices when we fly

That will get you pulled off to the side for additional searching. Happened to me the last time I tried to take Iowa chops to New England...the TSA swabbed my pork chops for explosive residue.

182 jonturner  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:16:23am

from citypages.com:

In 1994 St. Paul police used the law to ticket a Muslim woman who refused to remove the veils covering her face after police requested that she do so. In the furor that followed, the misdemeanor charges against her were dropped. The following year Sen. Allan Spear (DFL-Minneapolis) authored a bill that modified the existing law to allow people to conceal their faces for religious reasons. According to Spear the law dates to 1923, when it was first enacted to combat the Ku Klux Klan. The senator says that during the 1995 debate about the measure another lawmaker raised the issue of wearing ski masks in winter, which prompted the addition of the weather exemption. Another exemption for people whose faces were obscured because of medical treatments was added that year.


DFL is "Democratic Farmer Labor Party." What a surprise.

183 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:16:34am

#74 Realwest

See Miss Trixie


I know I'm older and more tired than a lot of the lizards (hopefully more than 99% of the lizards, LOL!) but

Realwest said it right here. Now you really want to hang with this young stud right! (me) LOL

/man I'm in big trouble now. 0-:

184 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:17:58am

165 Kirche that's the ticket! They especially should flee the South, since it's hard to drive even a half mile without being "assaulted" by the smell of a pork bbq pit restaurant.

I'd imagine that smoke is just chock full of pork bits.

We must send them back to shariaville...it's for their souls!

185 kirche  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:18:44am

#169 big L


when we have an appearance before sharia court, show-up wearing a suit, shirt and tie made out of bacon...

defense attorney: "your honor, like you, i would love nothing more than seeing my infidel client beheaded..."

immam judge: "case dismissed... next!"

186 mjazzguitar  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:18:44am

It seems to give muslims the right not to do work and have muslims do it for them. Suppose the place is crowded, does that mean other cashiers have to leave their registers to swipe and bag for the muslims? Target is French owned, I believe.

187 wetfun  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:19:17am

If Islam dose not scare you, you just don't know enough about Islam. We must push back.

[Link: www.jihadwatch.org...]

188 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:19:18am

172 -Mozart-

I'm not surprised Target has surrendered in this case. They are, after all, owned by the French.

I'm not seeing that here. Do you have a link?

189 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:19:23am
But then, this really isn’t about the pork.

No it's not...but too many don't understand yet.

190 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:19:27am

#165 Kirche


Congrats on more bird sales...

NOW GET TO work! (-:

191 Mad Al-Jaffee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:19:27am

OT - ACORN is protesting outside my building. I think it's something to do with illegal immigrant rights. I'll have to go outside and check out their signs and flyers.

192 victor_yugo  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:20:36am

OT:

Hillary says the VRWC is back.

I didn't know it ever went away.

193 unreconstructed rebel  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:20:38am

Three cheers for Joe Lieberman

194 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:20:56am
195 Jack hamilton  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:21:08am

This woman should be fired. The death cult is doing what they do every place they go as soon as they get enough people to start making demands. They will start rioting in the future if everyone does not bow down and kiss there nasty backside while they are bent to Mecca. America had better wake up or we will be part of there caliphate and death cult just like the French.

196 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:21:08am
197 MandyManners  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:21:13am
198 strandedsf  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:21:31am

#170 Jammie:

Farting toward Minneapolis? Blasphemer. Guess it's better than farting toward, Mecca, though, in the Sharia hierarchy of sins.

199 LAMF  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:21:47am

I've never wanted to go to go shopping for pork in Minny more in my life.

200 camberwick  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:22:09am

Hit them in the pocket. Boycott the Muslim economy.

[Link: notoislam.blogspot.com...]

201 USArmySpouse  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:22:17am

Hmmm...I think I'm going to make a wallet out of bacon, then go shop at that Target. I wonder how the cashier would react.

202 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:22:31am

#127 Sharmuta

I disagree. Go to them, make them do their job and if they refuse, pitch a fit to the manager.

Maybe, you're right. A letter of complaint would be good, too. I just don't have the patience.

Still, I won't do business with a woman who wears the scarf or the man who wears a gown, if I have a choice. I'm not budging an inch on that.

Want to live in America? Assimilate, darn it.

203 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:23:02am

168 godfrey nice try, ROPer. Golly folks, if muslims won't touch something, you'd better quit touching it too...seeing as how they are the ultimate arbiter of right and wrong and all...

204 cheyennepress  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:24:03am

Anyone get the strong urge to go up to a cashier in Target and poke her with a sausage link?

205 Murqtaad  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:24:05am

I was just referencing their fondness for that beautiful number 19.

206 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:24:54am
#194 BabbaZee

As alway's dead on.

207 ikoiko  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:25:08am

Hey!
That's my Target!
I don't doubt this is happening in Minneapolis, next will be the one on University in St. Paul...
I am so embarrassed by idiots in MN right now -- this is a big news day for the sharia front coming to a block near me.
sniff

208 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:25:19am
209 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:25:51am

OT - I just found out Michael Yon has a column on the Fox News web site now. His first one is up.
There is a disturbing part though.

Afghanistan, too, is nearly forgotten. Our troops are slugging it out over there. I believe we are losing the war in Afghanistan, but I have strong hope for Iraq. Nearly all of America and Europe believe Iraq is a lost cause, but there is hope here and it lives in the thousands of stories about this place that are never told because they have not been witnessed by our media, or at least not reported.

210 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:26:20am

202 Hot Rod Kid

Maybe, you're right.

Nasty little habit of mine. ;)

Want to live in America? Assimilate, darn it.

Yes- which is why we should force them to do their job(s).

211 idkfa  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:26:25am

My wife interviewed a woman for a job who came in wearing a hijab and who stated in her interview that she would not work Fridays. My wife hired her, probably afraid of loosing her job over some discrimination suit, but the lady quit the first day. She was no doubt fishing for discrimination and victimhood.

212 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:26:44am
I'm not surprised Target has surrendered in this case. They are, after all, owned by the French.

Nooo, urban myth. They are a large publically traded company. My 401(k) probably holds some of their stock.

I see several Muslims working in a Target I frequent. They seem like fine employees. The hijabs are red, to match the Target shirts that most employees wear.

213 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:26:49am

#208 Song & Dance


Man that was great. LOL

214 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:27:32am

#207 ikoiko
OOOooo...Go run and buy a whole cart full of pork and report back.
;~}

215 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:27:54am

This clearly qualifies as an anti-bacon hate crime.

If a cashier tried to pull that kind of s**t on me, I would probably respond by asking pointed questions like, "isn't it true that Mohammed had sex with little girls?" and "in Islam, does a goat or sheep count towards the four-wife limit?"

Just to get a dialogue started, you understand.

216 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:28:12am

Hi storagemanager

217 mjazzguitar  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:28:20am

OT and irreverent.

218 mjazzguitar  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:28:51am

Not saying it was right.

219 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:30:01am

I've never even been in a Target before and I probably won't be any time soon with nonsense like this. Though they are building one in my area, right near the Wal-Mart that just sprung up.

220 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:30:40am

#176 HeatherRadish

The dirty little secret is that the second law of thermodynamics requires that there be a little of just about everything in just about everything. Muslims and envirowhackos notwithstanding, there's no such thing as zero concentration. There's no such thing as [fill in the blank]-free anything. Just vanishingly small concentrations.

221 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:31:17am
222 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:31:21am
216 BabbaZee

Hi...hope life is treating you well.

223 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:31:23am

OT:

Kerry Launches Global Warming Book Tour


(CNSNews.com) - Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts kicked off a 10-city global warming book tour on Monday, promoting a cause whose most high-profile advocate, Democrat Al Gore, also lost a presidential race to George. W. Bush.

"This Moment on Earth: Today's New Environmentalists and Their Vision for the Future" by Kerry and his wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, will be released on March 26.

"As a society, we are sliding dangerously backwards in almost every sector of environmental concern," Kerry said in a statement about the book. "Even caring about the environment has been marginalized in recent years by a calculated assault from special interests.

"Teresa and I are writing this book because we share a sense of urgency about the need to reinvigorate grassroots action which takes these concerns into the ballot box," he said. "This book shows what a lot of individuals are doing in common sense, practical and yet visionary ways, in the hope that their example can once again galvanize Americans into action."

Kerry in 2004 lost a presidential election to Bush. Four years earlier, Vice President Al Gore found himself in the same position following the closest and arguably most controversial contests in American history.

Gore has remained in the spotlight since 2000 largely due to his campaigning on climate change, and last month, his documentary on global warming -- "An Inconvenient Truth" -- won an Academy Award.

For Brian Darling, director of U.S. Senate relations at the conservative Heritage Foundation, both Kerry and Gore are "alarmists" when it comes to predictions about climate change and its potential effects.

"[Kerry] talks about the environment and has done so in his Senate campaigns and a little bit during his presidential election battle, but obviously, this is an issue that's very controversial, and Al Gore and John Kerry seem to be on the alarmist side of the global warming debate," Darling told Cybercast News Service.

"They are basically giving the American people the impression that if nothing is done, our world will have cataclysmic climate change, which I don't believe the science proves that theory out," he said.

"If you look at the science and a whole lot of what's been said about global warming is that it will have a minor to [minimal] effect on global climate change.

"Even if it has some sort of an effect, there's not much governments can do to change that," Darling added. "There is only so much human beings can do because human beings only have a certain amount of effect on why there is incremental climate change."

He questioned Kerry's motives in writing the book.

"Maybe he's going in a different direction because he sees he's not going to have a chance to be president anytime in the near future," Darling said. "He had his shot, and maybe he's going to do something similar to Al Gore and work on one issue and trumpet one issue that he cares about.

"Maybe this is an attempt for him to get some high-level position in the next Democratic administration, considering he's not running for higher office," he added.

For his part, Gore praised the Massachusetts senator's book.

"John Kerry and Teresa Heinz have written a book that is a profound challenge to all of us but contains, in the examples of the men and women who are fighting the great fight for a better future for our environment, the clear hope that if we can embrace their resourcefulness, determination and essential patriotism, we will prevail," he said in a statement.

"Both John and Teresa have been long-time leaders in the battle to save the Earth's environment," Gore stated. "Way back when it was not all fashionable, indeed when very few people in the world were even paying attention to it, both John and Teresa were providing outstanding and courageous leadership."

[vomit-SNIP!-vomit]

224 Dustoff-507  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:31:27am

#217 mjazzguitar


Pull that at Target and see what it get's you!
LOL

225 Jeff MacMillan  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:32:33am

I'm sorry sir, I can not scan LAMB products as it goes against my Christian Religion in which Jesus ended the practice of sacrificing Lamb to God.

In fact, the only products I can scan as a cashier are:

Gold, Fracansense, and Mir.

226 LAMF  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:32:44am

204 cheyennepress

That's a whole other topic...

227 galloping granny  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:33:02am
#205 Murqtaad 3/13/2007 10:24AM PDT

I was just referencing their fondness for that beautiful number 19.

No, but I will admit to a very strong desire to drive out to Target, fill up a shopping cart clear past the brim with pork in all guises, deliberately pick out a hijab-wearing cashier... and leave the cart in the aisle if they refuse to ring it.

In that vein, our local WalMart several years back had at least one muslim cashier. (He was from India but his name was mohamed so I guess I can assume he was not Hindu.) He rang up pork pretty regularly.

228 WriterMom  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:33:11am

Did you see this in the comments?

I never stop laughing at the inferior infidels as we cause them anger as we slowly take over their land. And you are so ignorant you don't even see it happening. Seriously, you don't deserve a country.

229 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:33:22am
230 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:34:37am
The superintendent was black and when I told him he was violating my civil rights the guy exploded at me and started blustering about his wife being an officer in the NAACP and I had no business talking about civil rights.

Oops. You told a Black man that his was not the only race in the world that doesn't always get fair treatment. Many blacks don't like to hear that. They've been raised to believe that only their grievances have weight.

231 wargammer2005  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:34:40am

marcusa

i guess you do not see the lie in what the person was told

it is NOT a problem for a muslim to handle something that is in a sealed package.

if that were the case then all pork products would have to cease to exist.

232 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:34:46am

223 BabbaZee

The man is just so...original.

/ROTF

233 big L  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:35:20am

181-Heather-they took your chops...? aw what grinches.
suppose it was one of these high end mail-order outfits like Omaha Steaks?

234 BabbaZee  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:35:38am

Well mah brethren it's been swell.
See ya on the other side of the nap.

235 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:35:50am

#209 Just_A_Grunt

METT-T

It is about terrain. Urban warfare sucks, but dealing with the mountains and the Pakistani "government" make for a long slog in Afghanistan and will always put us at a disadvantage, JMO. All the more reason to win in Iraq.

236 dead sea squirrel  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:36:16am

192 victor yugo

Of course there's a VRWC. Where do you think Charles goes on all those "bike rides"? He's headed for his RNC drop spot, fool.

237 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:36:32am

#200 comberwick

Hit them in the pocket. Boycott the Muslim economy

That's what I'm talking about.

I grew up in a German working class neighborhood. Us kids rejected Polka and leedenhosen (not that there's anything wrong with that) and embraced Elvis, The Beatles and Newport cigarettes.

So, somebody might say, "But being German isn't a religion. Muslim is a religion."

I forgot to mention: I was raised German-Catholic. Which meant no meat on Fridays! But I still worked at the hamburger joint and served burgers every Friday night to the "non-Catholic Protestant heretics who will go to hell for leaving the Church" customers.

American Muslim leaders say, "Agitate, agitate, agitate."

I say, "Assimilate, assimilate, assimilate."

238 roguejew  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:36:38am

It would appear that the Culture War for America is being centalized in Minnesota, all of the battles seem to be taking place there. The Flying Imam Circus of Fools, Taxi Jihad, Congressman Jihad Ellison and now we have Retail Jihad! What's next?

239 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:36:49am

227 galloping granny

No, but I will admit to a very strong desire to drive out to Target, fill up a shopping cart clear past the brim with pork in all guises, deliberately pick out a hijab-wearing cashier... and leave the cart in the aisle if they refuse to ring it

Run with that desire, and don't forget to give the manager an earful.

240 Paul Atreides  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:37:57am
At the Target store on E. Lake Street, a cashier wearing a burka looked uncomfortable when I showed up at the cash register with a frozen pepperoni pizza.

1) Am I to assume that her owner (husband/male relative) stands nearby the entire time that she is working?

2) A cashier wearing a burka?!

241 mjazzguitar  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:39:25am

I read that in WW2 in the Phillipines we were having trouble with the the muzlims and when captured, we wrapped them in pork skin and shot them with bullets dipped in lard. The trouble stopped.

242 Lizard by the Bay  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:39:26am

#200 camberwick

Hit them in the pocket. Boycott the Muslim economy.

If only I could find a way to live without gasoline...

243 DocDublU  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:39:41am

what's next?

Catholic cashiers who won't scan condoms?

Jewish cashiers who won't scan 'non-kosher' hot dogs?

Vegeterian cashiers who wont scan meat?

Taken to these extremes, the cashier's right to refuse the handling of pork products seems pretty clear.

Scan the Jimmy Dean's or don't let the door hit ya' where Allah split ya'.

244 Catttt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:40:01am

OT

I loved this answer, from Yahoo Answers.

Question (from "5cents_worth"): Is '300' a historical film disguising war propaganda? The Spartans (America) holding out against the overwhelming power of the Persian Empire (Iran)

Answer (by "biotch"): Um I dont know but I wish Gerard Butler was naked in the movie.

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:40:44am
246 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:41:12am

#154 buzzsawmonkey

When I was a kid, I thought that Martin Luther King was talking about me, too. A poor white boy.

But when I got older, the black leadership in this country convinced me that I was wrong.

Martin Luther King Day is a black holiday as far as I'm concerned.

247 alteredbeat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:41:33am

considering I live close to that Target, I'm going to see if she'll ring up a toy stuffed animal of the pig persuasion.

248 Yellowbeard  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:41:53am
227 galloping granny

No, but I will admit to a very strong desire to drive out to Target, fill up a shopping cart clear past the brim with pork in all guises, deliberately pick out a hijab-wearing cashier... and leave the cart in the aisle if they refuse to ring it

Take along a blind friend with a seeing eye dog.

249 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:42:14am

#180 galloping granny

No, that's not what happened. They were on an 8-hour shift schedule, which was able to accommodate the prayer time, and they went to a 12-hour shift schedule, that wasn't. This wasn't because the management just decided to change schedules for no reason, it was because the majority of the (non-muslim) workers wanted it.

The majority of non-muslim worker count for something, too, don't they? Maybe not in your world.

250 calcajun  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:42:19am

Uh, a brief historical observation. Anyone heard of the Sepoy Mutiny? Muslims and Hindu soldiers of the East India Company revolted when they confronted with having to load Enfield rifles - they had to bite the end off of a greased paper cartridge before ramming down the rifle barrel. The Hindus had been told it was cow fat - the Muslims heard it was pig fat - anathema to both sects. In reality, it was vegetable shortening. But neither the Hindus nor Muslims believed it. Consequently, this was the spark that set off long simmering anti-British hatred and hundreds were killed (in particularly nasty ways) by the rioting troops and others who joined in the fray.

Sounds a lot like someone is stirring the pot to see if they can get it to boil over.

251 funky chicken  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:42:39am

209 just a grunt Et tu, Mr. Yon? He's been hanging around with too many reporters, I'm afraid.

My husband says that things are going better in both locations in the last few weeks. The opinion from his (all GOP, all O-4 and above) office is that it's a good thing that the GOP lost so much in 2006. Bush seems to finally have gotten the "shit or get off the pot" message.

Let's hope he's just not going for another big show of force before he gets all compassionate and gives them another hudna.

252 lovesusa  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:43:48am

I don't recall Jews unwilling to touch pork. This needs to be stopped right now with these muslims. You come to this country you adapt to OUR ways or leave. If I lived in that area I'd go with pork through her lane and if she called for someone else i'd complain to the manager. If the manager does nothing that store needs protests. I am going to write Target now to complain. people confuse a hijab and burka. Burka is that bee keeper suit they wear in afghanistan. Hijab is that scarf they wear. Most of the bitches are so ugly whose looking at themm anyway.

253 ChenZhen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:44:06am

I've been to that Target many times when I lived in South Mpls. I think half the cashiers were muslim.

Never really had a problem.

254 Paul Atreides  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:44:21am
This is just insane. What aren't these people not offended about?

Killing non-mudslimes.

255 Jeff MacMillan  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:44:26am

#247 alteredbeat

Or better yet, just see if she'll scan a book by Michael Moore.

256 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:44:54am

#223 BabbaZee

Is there a pattern emerging here? Mad at the US for not electing them president, so they want to take revenge with this GW madness?

I really hate rich liberals who won't mind their own business.

257 Greg  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:45:34am

East Lake Street Target is Muslim-Sharia-Central with the Cedar Riverside Towers a mile away to the north...you should see the sex-division between the cloaked and clad woman and the men with their cell phone hipsters...Never seen them jabber so much on the light rail that connects both places...

Maybe it is time to openly start carrying pork rinds or sides of bacon in my travels through the neighbor to keep the mus-critters at bay?

258 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:45:49am
"You Christian pig. You are dead"

[Link: www.theaustralian.news.com.au...]

259 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:46:10am

#25 karmic
It seems to keep going back to the same problem, inability or lack of a national identity. There is loyality only to whomever is in your direct sphere of influence such as the local shiekh or warlord and anything beyond that is mute. I don't have any suggestions for that, the normal tact is to give a group of people some sort of shared goal to achieve with which to build unity but the Middle Eastern or should I say the Islamic mind is incapable of this. Before there was Islam they did have nationalistic pride. I often wonder if renaming Baghdad to Babylon would help turn back the clock to before Islam.
And this should serve as a warning to western countries that this is the fate all will suffer if you loose your pride in your country.

260 Catttt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:46:14am
253 ChenZhen 3/13/2007 10:44AM PDT

I've been to that Target many times when I lived in South Mpls. I think half the cashiers were muslim.

Never really had a problem.

So - did you stock up on Spam?

261 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:46:37am

#250 calcajun

More evidence of what happens when Faith replaces all logical thought.

262 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:48:07am

#223 BabbaZee

There is no goracle but Goracle, and J-F'nKerry is his messenger...

263 American Soldier  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:49:15am

Minneapolis-
Was the cashier this woman?

#241 mjazzguitar 3/13/2007 10:39AM PDT

I read that in WW2 in the Phillipines we were having trouble with the the muzlims and when captured, we wrapped them in pork skin and shot them with bullets dipped in lard. The trouble stopped.

A myth.
Using a plain .45 is more than sufficient.

264 dll2000  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:49:49am

Truly brave journalists risking their lives to get news out about China:

20,000 Riot in China

via [Link: www.americanthinker.com...]

265 Just_A_Grunt  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:50:01am

Are you questioning Kerry and Gores' patriotism?
They were in Vietnam ya know!

266 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:50:38am

A possible scenario:

The Muslim clerk goes home and says, "MOM! I'm not going to wear this stupid scarf anymore. It was so embarrassing at work, today. Gaaah."

(Well, I can dream can't I?)

267 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:51:25am
#261 Hot Rod Kid 3/13/2007 10:46AM PDT

#250 calcajun

More evidence of what happens when Faith HATE replaces all logical thought

SORRY HAD TO FIX THAT.

268 NY Nana  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:53:27am

#158 squarepeg

That is exactly what some of them were doing. They also use inferior synthetic artificial organs rather than use pork-tissue ones that more closely conform to human tissues and have better and longer survival rates.

Many nursing mothers, pregnant women, and newborns also suffer from Vitamin D deficiencies because of the women's insufficient exposure to the sun due to being covered up all the time -- this in desert lands where sunlight is so plentiful that ... oh hell do I even have to finish the sentence.

Can you imagine doing this to your kids? Oh well

I am not the least bit surprised. Off hand, I cannot think of any religion with such requirements...but there are cults. The Scientologists are bizarre, but they don't bring their kids up to be homicide bombers...

Any one of us who posts here would put our kids and grandkids above any other priority, and do whatever we have to, in order to both protect them, and to make sure they are provided with whatever is required to assure their future, be it health or anything regarding thier nurturing.

And now for something completely different..since shrillery says that the VRWC is back, where do I go to get a new membership card?

269 religion of bacon  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:55:17am

#266 Hot Rod Kid

And then Dad says, "you have dishonored our family, you must die!"

270 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:55:38am

#263 American Soldier

Yeah, it sort of looked like her. I can't really say. I didn't get a good look at her face because... it was covered up with a black scarf.

:)

271 storagemanager  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:56:25am
So Easy, a Muslim Could Do It!

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

272 Earth2moonbat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:57:47am

263 American Soldier

I don't believe that it's a myth that they have hams installed in Israeli buses, though. It's been a while since we've had a 'splody bus incident in Israel.

273 realwest  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 9:15:36am

Um, is anyone else having trouble posting or getting the next thread to open up?

274 buddy06  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 10:04:37am

You know i go to the store, to buy meat for my dawgs, and they better darn well be served; I love those dog's

275 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 10:06:09am
276 Bill Amos  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 10:58:27am

Just curious are they against hot dogs as well ?

because thats awesome Pigs are unclean and dogs are filthy so its the double mohammad whama !

277 raven1  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 10:58:30am

Can't the customer sue for harassment and public ridicule? If the jihadis want to live in our great country, they should behave as Americans. When in Rome, do as the Romans do.

278 thinkingmom  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:06:41am

Somalians, and muslims in general, put the lie to the nice Minnesota belief in getting along. They can't tolerate us.

279 Dave the.....  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:06:49am
Martin Luther King probably was talking about you too. He was a man of remarkable vision and heart. Those who came after him were not.

I have no problem honoring MLK--even though making his birthday a holiday ended up creating the bogus "President's Day" to replace observance of Washington's birthday and Lincoln's birthday.

Maybe if he had lived, he would have turned moonbat, but I have to agree, he spoke for all. I have nothing but respect.

I first realized how his legacy has been hijacked when I saw my first MLK day parade. Many moonbats, mostly white, carrying signs bashing Republicans.

280 Van Impe  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:18:09am

#250

Uh, a brief historical observation. Anyone heard of the Sepoy Mutiny? Muslims and Hindu soldiers of the East India Company revolted when they confronted with having to load Enfield rifles - they had to bite the end off of a greased paper cartridge before ramming down the rifle barrel. The Hindus had been told it was cow fat - the Muslims heard it was pig fat - anathema to both sects.

I'm currently reading a book about the Sepoy Mutiny. The Brits got their revenge on the Muslims who revolted (murdering hundreds of British women and children - most by beheading) by hanging the perpetrators but not before making them eat pork or dousing them with pigs blood. As for the Hindus, they were forced to eat beef.

281 EtNorskTroll  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:18:38am

So why isn't anyone smearing bacon grease on their coins and bills before they hand them to this "Bag lady"?

Then let her figure it out on her own once the smell starts to waft up to her nostrils.

Tell her you just finished eating a bacon, lettuce and tomato.

Tough tamales if she doesn't like it.

heh.

~Norsk Troll

282 chaplain  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:21:22am

Clara Peller would be amused... :D... then promptly complain to the management :P

283 calcajun  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:23:39am
#280 Van Impe 3/13/2007 01:18PM PDT

#250

I'm currently reading a book about the Sepoy Mutiny. The Brits got their revenge on the Muslims who revolted (murdering hundreds of British women and children - most by beheading) by hanging the perpetrators but not before making them eat pork or dousing them with pigs blood. As for the Hindus, they were forced to eat beef.

Ah, don't forget how the Brits used mutineers as stoppers for their cannon. They tied the buggers over the muzzles and pulled the lanyard.

Didn't have much trouble with 'em for more than 60 years.

284 crabtree  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:28:29am

Apparently taking a pay check from a store that sells pork, dog food, and other unclean products is a-ok. Principles only go so far.

285 theheat  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:29:27am

Religion in the workplace (and politics) has become very tiresome. Religious advocates cry bloody murder their assorted beliefs are constantly under attack, and are the same assholes that ensure we will remain in a struggle with their personal beliefs in the very public workplace. It isn't about protecting their beliefs, because these people already believe the bullshit they believe in - it's about inflicting their beliefs on everyone they come in contact with.

If any part of practicing your religion compromises your ability to do your public job, then GTFO and STFU. Not everyone else believes in the same horseshit you do. I don't care if it's liquor, pork, porno mags, or morning after pills - all of which are legal. It's pretty goddamned simple.

286 Tempestman  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:30:56am

I thought it was bad enough when even my wife complained to me the other day that she had asked an employee at our local Target for directions to a product she was looking for only to find that said employee couldn't speak English and had to call for another employee to help her.

Understand that my wife doesn't usually complain about these sorts of issues and is rather tired of hearing me rail on about it :) ...

Has anyone verified that this story is true? It almost sounds so ludicrous as to be a possible Internet hoax...

If it is true, this is simply unacceptable...

287 jordash1212  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:32:14am

#5 mayweed

E. Lake isn't the nicest part of town. Tends to attract the impoverished. Although it's outside of Uptown where all the trendy middle class people go for dinner, you're not going to find the people heading into that Target are aware of the implementation of Sharia law into our society, nor do they care. Minneapolis is full of moonbats. Those people that think they're so enlightened but can't seem to understand that we're not the ones victim of cultural and religious intolerance.

288 PeggyU  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:34:44am

So cashiers can make a scene? Customers can too!

Given the opportunity, I'd buy a Bible, a bag of dog food, some rubbing alcohol and some pork rinds (and a dreidel, too, if I could find one!) and attempt to purchase them.
I shop a WHOLE bunch at Target, and I am going to write to them about this! Personally, I find the burka irritating. Other Target employees have to wear uniforms (red shirt with name tag), and would not be allowed to deviate from the dress code. Why should this one be treated as special?

Also, you are right, it is not about the pork. It is about causing a ruckus. If this woman were truly devout, she would not pick and choose which Islamic rules to follow. She'd be home being an observant Muslim. A woman wearing a burka shouldn't be cashiering; she shouldn't even be out of the house without a male relative! How can she tell if a customer is Jewish? Or gay? Allah forbid she should be touched by a gay Jewish man! The world is too fraught with peril for this woman to risk working in retail! Maybe the government should pass a law protecting Muslims from this sort of work ... kind of like a child labor law ... for their own good, of course.

289 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:37:49am

253 ChenZhen

I've been to that Target many times when I lived in South Mpls. I think half the cashiers were muslim.

Never really had a problem.

Oh! So we can disregard this problem because it hasn't happened to you?

290 eclectic infidel  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:38:44am

Much like the cabbies who refuse to give rides to blind folk & alcohol totin' infidels, this employee needs to find another line of work. Period. Odds are, if Target fires her (hopefully), a lawsuit may very well ensue. Of course, my hope is that the lawsuit would be decided in Target's favor, thus diminishing this Shari'a BS that's being used as a weapon of choice by Muslims. I'm surprised this crap isn't being pulled here in Northern California. This region is inundated with Middle Easterners. Every day I see women, both old, young and inbetween with the head gear. Then again, the press here is leftist with a vengeance and it might not be reporting it either, unless a Muslims cries foul, of course.

291 AndyMacOP  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:42:27am

I will write Target and threaten to cancel my Target Card if this is not handled properly. I use that sucker alot.

292 peck  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:43:11am

Greetings Lizard Community.
My first post. Never commented on any blog anywhere. It's a brave, new world I have entered. Proud to have made it here - it wasn't easy. I have a bad sense of timing. Hope to serve this group well with intellectual integrity and honest debate and avoid making an a** of myself.
Peck pauses briefly, wiping away a tear of gratitude and humility. Thank you Charles for opening the register at just the right moment.

Does anyone know whether Target has a corporate policy of accommodation for such exceptional circumstances where employees cannot, by law, or will not, by personal choice, perform their jobs? For example, are cashiers under the age of 21 required to call for assistance to ring up purchases of beer & wine or, are Catholic cashiers exempt from the requirement to ring up contraceptive devices, would Hindus be exempt from the requirement to ring up sales of products containing beef, etc.? Or could it be that the cashier in this case was merely terrified to ring up bacon based on what she understands her religious obligations are and, that her fellow employees helped her out as a personal courtesy or from sympathy? Islam seems to be unforgiving and inflexible when it comes to women. Maybe the significant male in her life beats her for disobeying his commands to do exactly as he says. I wonder if she is even allowed to be in the workplace without her family, male supervision. Sharia rules are sharia rules after all. Maybe this was not another imam-in-the-airport set-up, but then again, maybe it was.
So much for purchasing large quanties of pork 'n beans for the next family picnic at Target.

293 FabioC.  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:45:45am

Test post

294 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:47:58am

#275 buzzsawmonkey

When you're right, you're right. And you, sir, are right.

MLK is the only black leader in my lifetime who made a difference.

295 FabioC.  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:48:04am

I've been to Jakarta, Indonesia, and over there Moslem cashiers do handle alcoholic drinks without problems. I'm not sure about pork products (which can be found in many stores), tho.

In any case, for the Chinese New Year, pig toys were on sale everywhere.

It is about politics, not the pork indeed.

296 Goddessoftheclassroom  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:50:08am

How can she (or any Muslim) be allowed to discriminate against non-Muslims buying pork? If she can't/won't do her job, she should be fired; then she should look for work in a place that doesn't conflict with her beliefs.

297 Confuzed  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:51:38am
I asked her if it was because she was Muslim, and she nodded her head. “I can’t even touch it,” she said.

She's either lying or ignorant of her Fatwas.

Fatwa No. : 91,482
Fatwa Title : Ghusl is not required after touching pork
Fatwa Date : 24 Safar 1427 / 25-03-2006


Pork is impure. Allaah Says (what means): {…or the flesh of swine, for indeed, it is impure.}[Quran 6:145]. If a person touches pork with his hands, he is obliged to wash his hands only in order to remove the impurity from then, but he is not obliged to perform Ghusl (ritual bath) and wash all his body.

Allaah Knows best.

For almost 100,000 fatwas on any subject imaginable, click here to take you to Fatwa Central. Entering "pork" in the Fatwa search engine yields 2 pages of results.

What about coming in contact with Infidel customers such as the dreaded Christians and Jews? Shoot, I forget, am I a pig, monkey or ape now?

298 jenv  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:51:39am

The great thing about the supposed "insult" to Persian civilization is that the Muslims have been destroying it for centuries. It is, after all, the "pre-Islamic period of ignorance", which deserves to be destroyed and forgotten. Muslims have already done a good job destroying the pyramids at Giza by quarrying their limestone outer shells to build mosques, they would have finished the job by now were it not for western tourists.

299 cptham  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:51:46am

Target has food?

300 deportman  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:55:43am

How about books from Francis Bacon? Movies from Kevin Bacon? Mya Hamm posters? The letters BLT in any order?

301 Amy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:59:39am

This pattern repeats itself. Once a small but compact community establishes itself, it starts to try to win accommodations from the majority, probing around the edges and using the media and the legal system to try to force accommodations where possible.

Once the population has grown to a critical mass, the radicals start with imposing strict shari'a law in their own communities, if possible with the blessing of the blissfully ignorant P.C. kufr local governments. They will begin enforcement activities, intimidating secular Muslims into toeing the line: close the liquor stores, don't stock haram foods in your groceries, send your kids to Islamic schools so they are not contaminated, force women to wear the veil, etc., etc.

Once the Muslim community has been brought into line, then the attacks can start on the non-Muslim population - bombing liquor stores, supermarkets, CD and video stores, stores with mannequins wearing bikinis or lingerie in the windows... You name it.

Before you know it, they have run all non-Muslim businesses and institutions out of the neighborhood. Then they move into the next neighborhood and start the process all over again.

302 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:59:56am

What this is about is the primacy of Islam.

In this case, the kafir must be deprived of service, in order to demonstrate the primacy of Islam. Just as with the taxi drivers who won't accept passengers with alcohol. Islam rules. That's what it's about. Same with denying banks in the UK the right to give out piggy banks, and denying kafir customers the right to receive piggy banks. Islam rules. Same with denying the kafir the right to draw a picture -- any picture, no matter how flattering or unflattering or completely neutral -- of Muhammed. Islam rules.

The point is to put the kafir in his place, and show the primacy of Islam.

303 infidel4ever  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:01:11pm

Seems to me there is a simple solution if you run a business: don't hire any muslims...

304 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:03:05pm

#301 Amy
Good post, explaining the process by which Islamization proceeds in kafir country.

305 PeggyU  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:12:12pm

I read somewhere once that businesses often lose money because of employee theft. Also, whenever I have purchased a container at Target, the cashier has always removed the lid to inspect for shoplifting. How much crap can you stuff under a burqua? Just wondering if this presents a problem or not.

306 Lorenska  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:13:46pm

#258 StorageManager:

I especially like the part where the 'prominent Islamic leader' condemns the death threats against Mr. Nile:

"Anybody who thinks of making death threats should cease and desist and anybody who knows anybody who's making threats should call the police," he said.

Mr Trad said many members of the Islamic community had been the victims of threats and verbal or physical abuse. "Now he (Mr Nile) has an idea what it's like for us," Mr Trad said.

They can't just condemn threats of violence against a non-Muslim without turning it around and making it about Muslim "persecution" at the same time...as he grits his teeth through a "it's bad that this man has been harrassed," he immediately has to say, "but not as badly as we have!" Professional victims, they don't know how else to act...and by the way, BRAVO to Mr. Nile, I wish someone in the US govt was this brave.

307 angst  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:14:39pm

In 2006 Target re-insituted "Merry Christmas" over a boycott of their stores in 2005. However, they did not allow the Salvation Army bell-ringers to return- they gave them a $1mil donation. As if they were embarassed to have them in front of the stores. Needless to say, that is a pittance of what the Salvation Army brings in in front of Target stores each Christmas.

So I still boycott Target. I hate Wal-mart, but I go there because they let the Salvation Army folks stay.

Boycott Target. Money is all that matters to them.

308 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:17:32pm

Some people will call such a minority "moderate", because at this stage they are not violent. But there is a process here, and it is not a moderate process, nor is the end result moderate.

From the book Londonistan, by Melanie Phillips:

The essence of a "moderate" attitude in a minority is that it is prepared to live as a minority, to subscribe to the overarching values and institutions of the state while practicing its own culture in the private sphere. British Muslims, however, are increasingly pushing for their culture to be highly visible and given parity in the public sphere. Halal meals and separate prayer rooms are now commonplace throughout British institutions. At the University of Newcastle, the Islamic society persuaded the students' union to back their demand for Friday afternoon teaching to be rescheduled around prayer times in accordance with "right to education without discrimination against religious needs." At the University of Leicester, Muslim students asked for halal food and were told they could have their very own cafe. Elsewhere in the city, municipal swimming pools provide separate women's sessions and even a separate session for women to swim fully clothed in chadors. When sporting or music activities are planned, some Muslim groups say they don't want men and women to sit or participate in the activity togther. Meetings held in public buildings are sometimes divided by screens so that women are separated from men. No other minority group has asked for such privileges. That is because they run counter to the normal relationship between British society and its minority groups. While minorities are free to pursue their own customs, they do not expect public services available to all to be adapted to their requirements, let alone encourage a form of separate development.

It is good to look at what is happening and what has happened in Britain, in order to understand that here in the US we are on a slippery slope when we start to let Sharia intrude on the the laws and customs of our population, particularly in services that are provided for all.

309 Paul  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:28:45pm

Can a devout Muslim work at a Piggly Wiggly supermarket? Is "shopping the pig" haram?

310 ChenZhen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:29:06pm

#289 Sharmuta 3/13/2007 01:37PM PDT

Oh! So we can disregard this problem because it hasn't happened to you?

Well, if it really is a problem, I think it would be Target's problem. Lucky for them, I would think that pork products constitute a small % of their business.

But, hey, I'm all about solving problems. If I were the customer in this situation, I'd offer to swipe the pork thru the barcode reader myself, and be on my way. I think I could do that without thinking that Sharia law was just around the corner here in Mpls., or making a scene. I'd think it was weird , however, and I'd probably make an effort to avoid a muslim cashier next time I was shopping for bacon or something. I don't consider it a cause for alarm.

/lemme guess, that makes me a dhimmi

311 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:29:28pm
In 1980, the Islamic Council of Europe published a book called Muslim Communities in Non-Muslim States, which explained the Islamic Agenda in Europe. [Consider it to be more general, though, since it applies to non-Muslim states, which includes the USA for example -- EE] When Muslims lived as a minority, ti said, they faced theological problems, because classical Islamic teaching always presupposed a context of Islamic dominance. The book told Muslims to organize themselves with the aim of establishing a viable Muslim community, to set up mosques, community centers and Islamic schools. The ultimate goal of this strategy was that the Muslims should become a majority and the entire nation be governed according to Islam.


--Londonistan, by Melanie Phillips.

The reason that I am mentioning this is because we are on a slippery slope here in the US, with Sharia being pushed wherever it can. But the lesson of what happened in the UK stands for us as an example of what can happen if we let it. Also, the statements made by Islamic bodies concerning the strategy that Muslim communities should pursue in kafir lands is educational not merely for the Muslim communities, it is educational for kafirs who then know what to expect. And they can choose to turn a blind eye, or they can resist, knowing something about where the path is leading.

312 beej  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:30:11pm

292 peck

For example, are cashiers under the age of 21 required to call for assistance to ring up purchases of beer & wine

I think most cashiers in places that sell wine/beer/liquor are 21 or over...at least around here they are. Solves that headache.

Goes back to the point of why would you hire someone that can't perform the job in the first place?

313 indigo710  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:36:17pm

If you have no fear of islam then you dont understand it.
The muslims are here and their stated goal is to take over the USA from the inside out, to have the USA under and ruled by islamic ( sharia) law. They know how to use out laws and our civility against us. The P.C liberal idiots are only too willing to help them. They ( muslims) have to be shut down or this country doesnt stand a chance of survival.

314 Lorenska  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:37:52pm

ChenZen: As Amy and EE have so eloquently pointed out (among others, their posts are just the most recent), this one incident at Target really isn't the point...as someone else said, it's not about the pork. It's about the thousands of times this kind of thing is happening every day in America...from taxi drivers refusing to drive passengers carrying bottles of alcohol or guide dogs, to Muslim airline passengers requiring special treatment (being allowed to board after plane doors were closed), to students insisting on prayer rooms being installed at sports stadiums, to women being allowed to cover their faces for driver's license pictures...I could go on, but I'm only allow 3400 more characters, and that would only scratch the surface.

This is the epitome of a 'slippery slope,' and scanning the bacon yourself and calling it a non-problem is PART of the problem. Inch by inch, foot by foot, mile by mile...their religious rules and requirements will slowly take over our rule of law (and basic societal customs), until their way is the accepted way. And their way is nothing NEAR acceptable to my way of thinking.

315 peck  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:41:34pm

If the definition of insanity is an abnormality of the brain or nervous system which produces a diseased mental condition and, radical Islamists meet this criteria, does this mean they are qualified under the Americans with Disabilities Act and therefore eligible for accommodation? If so, Target then has to accommodate the disability, as would any company employing those of the Muslim faith claiming disability by claiming their religious affiliation.
I'll bet a good ACLU lawyer could make a case for a class action suit including all Muslim employees and make a John Edwards type of fortune.

316 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:41:55pm

According to ChenZhen, it's a small thing, so why not accomodate the Muslim community on this? But where do you draw the line? If the creep of Sharia is gradual, it will always be a small thing. The point is that Sharia should not intrude into mundane transactions involving kafirs. Period. Otherwise, we are setting up the stage for a division of the country.

There is no better point at which to say "no".

When the camel puts his nose into the tent, that's when he needs to be sent out of the tent. Otherwise, eventually the tent will come down. Don't say: it's only a nose, what can go wrong.

Should there be identification of those checkers who won't service somebody's purchase of pork? Emphatically no. That's like the proposed, and dangerous, identification of taxi drivers in Minneapolis who won't provide service to customers carrying alcohol. It's an intrusion of Sharia into mundane commercial transactions, and it should not be permitted.

If a person won't go near a pork product, even one that is completely wrapped, and not even one molecule of anything from the pork product can escape into that person -- then that person should not be a checker at a supermarket. And I say that as a person who doesn't eat pork products or any product from a pig.

This issue is not really about pork at all. It's about the primacy of Islam.

317 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:44:00pm

Ever since the Salvation Army, I refuse to shop, albeit, I don't even shop much, at Target.

My wife, OTOH, who is totally out of touch (soft lib) with the things we discuss here, would view this as an isolated incident, etc.

I am totally convinced with respect to liberalism, as we know it by definition today, has no capacity for logical discernment. It is fueled only by emotion, and when the cause & effect relationship exploits the flaw they are unable to see this as their failure.

I am very concerned about our attitudes in this country regarding such behaviour as this employees. It seems we have lost all capacity for logical descernment, and critical evaluation.

I have very grave fears for what my children will be facing in 20 years, seeing the path we are on.

318 J.D.  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:49:21pm

Why don't they just go find a Muslim-owned supermarket/department store that doesn't sell pork, or booze, or any other thing they might find offensive?

What?
There aren't any?

Then assimilate or hit the road.

319 ceemack  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:50:23pm

I suddenly see young woman asking her imam, who looks a little like Jack Nicholson, what to do if someone brings her a pork product to ring up.

He yells "You can't HANDLE the pork!"

320 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 12:54:03pm

Since we are on a slippery slope, it is useful to look ahead. Here is a look that is more long term, provided by a 1978 seminar in London organized by the Islamic Council of Europe, and sponsored by the Organization of the Islamic Conference (quoted in Londonistan, a very important book written by Melanie Phillips):

Once the community is well organised, its leaders should strive to seek recognition of Muslims as a religious community having its own characteristics by the authorities. Once recognised, the community should continue to request the the same rights the other religious communities enjoy in the country. Eventually the community may seek to gain political rights as a constitutent community of the nation. Once these rights are obtained then the community should seek to generalise its characteristics to the entire nation.

The most important thing to recognize is the end result: the entire nation lives under Sharia.

Also, notice the intermediate result of having communities under Sharia within the nation.

It's a slippery slope, and it makes sense to notice where it is leading.

We should have the image of what has happened in the UK before us, and where that is leading to, in order to better understand whether we want to follow that dangerous path that will eventually divide the country, and eventually lead to the rule of Sharia over the country.

321 Paul  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:01:07pm

I'd wager that if this burka wearing cashier were fired or transferred for refusing to scan pork products (or anything remotely related to pork) she'd sue Target and win. A special privlege thus becomes a civil right and non-Muslim shoppers would have to live with it.

322 Lorenska  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:01:45pm

ChenZen:

There is a post on another thread that's discussing a current issue in Australia, where Imams are encouraging their followers not to pay their taxes because it's against Sharia law. Just one excerpt:

"The Australian yesterday revealed that fundamentalist Muslim imams were encouraging their followers to avoid paying tax because they considered paying income tax contrary to Islamic sharia law."

This is exactly what is going to happen, little by little...they believe in ALL aspects of life, that Sharia law trumps everything, including (maybe especially) American Constitutional law. This means they will use this as an excuse to circumvent any and all rules that the rest of us have to live by, and use "freedom of religion" to say we have to allow it. There is no line they won't cross, and once they're allowed to do whatever they want - and the libs allow it because we must be TOLERANT - the next step will be to make sure we ALL live under Sharia instead of the laws of man.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SO MANY DON'T SEE THIS?

323 peck  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:10:09pm

312 beej
In my state (VA) it seems to vary on the beer/wine thing. In some situations, under 21 cashiers can ring it up, in others, they have to call someone. My example here was perhaps not the best. More to the point are the personal choices, i.e., religious or just personal preferences. The beer/wine issue misses the point. There are lots of labor laws that address age. But those are issues an employer can accommodate if the cost-benefit analysis proves to be a positive. In this case the question seems to be whether there is an arbitrary standard or, if Target sets out to give preferential treatment to Muslims. If so, then shame on them and we should all shop elsewhere as Target, along with a long list of others, would be engaging in cowardly acts contributing to the undermining of our democratic, capitalistic society.

324 samhein  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:18:09pm

If the cashier had some sort of injury that was temporarially making her work a bit difficult, fine, I'll scan my stuff for him/her. But for this? Nah...don't think so.

I have to think that she knew what Target sold when she took the job. Had I been the customer, a complaint would have gone to the manager right there and then, with it being known that a letter was also going off to corporate that same day. I would also express that I would like to actually see the FACE of the person waiting on me.

In my humble opinion, when somone is "serving" the public, faces should be seen. If someone insists on wearing their headgear, then put them to work in the backroom somewhere or on loading docks where they do not have to deal with the public. Covering your face like that when dealing in a large public place like that, I'm sorry, is just plain rude!

Now, if a muslim OWNS a store, then, I will submit that it is their right to wear the burqas in their own establishment, but also the public's right to shop there or not.

I'm sure she was fired for not doing her job...

325 EE  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:18:23pm

#322 Lorenska

There is no line they won't cross,

Very good post. You have it exactly right: there is no line they won't cross.

That's because the goal is extending Sharia over the world, so there is no natural break point at which they will, or can, say that they will go no further.

It's important to keep in mind the goal: a caliphate, or Islamofascist empire, that rules the world. And the subgoal: turning each country into a Sharia-ruled country. And the fact that it is a process, step by step, that has no natural lines where a halt can be permitted.

You described the process exactly: there is no line they won't cross.

326 Wookieelips  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:21:30pm

#61 Buck

You are exactly right. As Irshad Manji states (regarding hair styling products): I’ve reviewed Fashion Fatwa #4866 and it simply states, “It is haram to use hair gel that has traces of alcohol in it. Bacon bits are halal, as they will not seep into the scalp.”

327 Ronnie Schreiber  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:22:42pm
#68 Ronnie Schreiber

Frankly, I don't think they should have accommodated you, either. Look at the precedent that's been set. Where's it going to stop? I'm not going to feel sorry for you if you end up getting injured by someone who snuck a bomb into a place under a burka that the company had to allow the employee to wear. The problem is that when the word "reasonable" finds it's way into laws, it will eventually end up being applied unreasonably. Guaranteed.

I'm all for fighting creeping Sharia, but it's a real stretch to go from letting me work an alternate shift so I can observe the Sabbath to hiding a bomb under a burka.

If you don't like the law, lobby Congress, but it's indeed the law.

The law has long used the so-called "reasonable man" criteria. The Civil Rights Act gives employers lots of latitude under the part that says that they don't have to accommodate practices that cost the company significant amounts of money. For the most part, religious discrimination cases under the 1965 CRA (as amended in 1972) lose because the loopholes for the employer are so large.

When I hired in they did not tell me that I'd have to work on Saturdays. The USPS operates 24/7/365 so it wouldn't have been a financial hardship for them to assign me to work on Sunday.

OTOH, having a relatively highly paid manager interrupt their work and do the job of a lower paid cashier might definitely be a financial hardship.

BTW, when the branch superintendent asked me why I couldn't work on Saturday when his other Jewish employees did, I noted his Irish name and asked if he was a Catholic. He answered affirmatively. So I pointed out that there were things the Pope did that he didn't, and there were things he did that the Pope didn't. Somehow he didn't find that as amusing as I did.

328 Ronnie Schreiber  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:25:20pm
The Civil Rights Act as amended in 1972 obligates businesses to make "reasonable" accommodation of employee's religious needs.

Question is, is this a legitamate religious requirment or a power grab? Other Muslims say that you can drive a taxi with beer in it or handle a pizza, you just can't consume them yourself.

Power grab. An attempt to use the machinery of a democratic society to destroy it.

329 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:31:10pm

310 ChenZen

Well, if it really is a problem, I think it would be Target's problem.

Wrong- it's also your problem. What you seem to be endorsing here, with your nonchalant attitude, is customer discrimination by retailers and/or customer service providers where the customer is legally in the right. There is nothing illegal about purchasing bacon at Target. There is nothing illegal about taking unopened wine in a cab. There is, however, something in the legal code about discrimination, and that is what these muslims are actually doing- discriminating against paying customers through their religious intolerance of others. They are saying they don't have to serve the customer based on the items the customer wishes to purchase or transport (in the cases of the cab drivers). You'd scan the bacon for her? Well then, why is she even there if you can do her job for her?

/lemme guess, that makes me a dhimmi

Don't put words in my mouth. It's unbecoming of you.

330 ceemack  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:36:48pm

They wouldn't have dared to try this stuff before 9/11.

331 ChenZhen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:39:58pm

#322 Lorenska 3/13/2007 03:01PM PDT

ChenZen:

There is a post on another thread that's discussing a current issue in Australia, where Imams are encouraging their followers not to pay their taxes because it's against Sharia law. Just one excerpt:

"The Australian yesterday revealed that fundamentalist Muslim imams were encouraging their followers to avoid paying tax because they considered paying income tax contrary to Islamic sharia law."

This is exactly what is going to happen, little by little...they believe in ALL aspects of life, that Sharia law trumps everything, including (maybe especially) American Constitutional law. This means they will use this as an excuse to circumvent any and all rules that the rest of us have to live by, and use "freedom of religion" to say we have to allow it. There is no line they won't cross, and once they're allowed to do whatever they want - and the libs allow it because we must be TOLERANT - the next step will be to make sure we ALL live under Sharia instead of the laws of man.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SO MANY DON'T SEE THIS?

If they're being encouraged to break the law, then I'd say that would be a problem. Hopefully they enforce the law down in Austrailia.

Anyway, even if I accept your argument, I think we're a long way from Sharia here in the States. Any predictions on how long we have, if everything goes according to plan?

I do think it's a little weird to see all this concern over what the Muslim minority could do to the Constitution over the next 100 years, while no one around here seems concerned about what the sitting president might be doing to it* right now.

To borrow your line:
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE THAT SO MANY DON'T SEE THIS?

*If you want the pdf of all 300+ pages, click here.

332 spam spam spam spam  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:40:37pm

The large Persian market near me has a big (4' x 6') banner over the door advertising BOAR'S HEAD MEATS. (A high-end meat producer in SoCalif at least).

The meat dept. is "halal" & they have a sign. I don't know if they carry pork, haven't been in in a year or more. Butchers are Hispanic. But they do carrry a lot of Jewish foods, matzo, etc...

Interesting...

333 Gretchen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:42:57pm

Can Catholics get jobs at abortion clinics and refuse to do any work associated with abortion?

Is this woman aware there are other jobs available - I hear Heavenly Ham is hiring for the Easter rush.

334 Irish Rose  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:45:49pm

Dear Target,

I've been out of work for 9 months... my children and I are eating out of the local food pantries, I can barely keep my basic utilities on and clothes on our backs.

I have NO problem whatsoever with pork products... can I have her job?

335 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:53:09pm

331 ChenZen

Anyway, even if I accept your argument, I think we're a long way from Sharia here in the States. Any predictions on how long we have, if everything goes according to plan?

With attitudes like yours running around? Soon.

336 CowardKerry  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:54:46pm

Put her mopping the floors.

337 KayMichelle  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:56:35pm

Sue.

Please, please, please, please SUE!

We really need to clear this up!

Someone must be offended that a Muslim refused to ring put pork. Someone must be offended that a Muslim refused to give them a taxi ride.

Please people! This is the time to do it!

338 abu_garcia  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:57:13pm

Damn, I wish they'd try this $#!t down here in Alabama! I think I could organize a pork-in in a heartbeat. Just envision hundreds of folks headed to the checkout with ribs, bacon, tenders, fatback, or chops (and not damn thing else, Target).

I believe we could break'em of the habit.

339 Ronnie Schreiber  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:57:57pm

Actually, I could be wrong, but Jewish law might prohibit someone from taking a job when the potential employee knows going in that they will not be able to do the assigned tasks. It involves issues of misrepresentation and possibly theft of wages.

340 packsoldier  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 1:58:51pm

I think Donald Trump says it best:

YOU'RE FIRED!

341 Sabraguy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:00:37pm

There are lots of Muslim cashiers in my local suoermarket. None of them has a problem handling alcohol or pork products. This woman is simply seeing how far she can push the Kuffars, and she should be treated with the contempt she deserves.

342 Outrider  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:08:50pm

Wait a minute. She can serve kufars? She can deal with all these men? There seems to be a lot of other issues here beside this pork.

That said, she probably wasn't wearing the burka. Just the hijab, not that it is real relevant.

It has been pointed out that cashiers sometimes have to come up and ring up the alcohol if the cashier is under 21. That would be a valid point if the alcohol issue wasn't a legal one and the pork issue, a religious one. And apparently not that large a deal, as Muslims everywhere else seem to deal with it alright.

343 Earthwirm  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:09:58pm

Seeing how the pork is hermetically sealed, etc. If she complains about a pepperoni pizza, then isn't working in the same building where Pork, Alcohol, and probably a movie or two in the movie dept depicting nudity also an issue?

Perhaps she should seek employment where she isn't confined to it.

I wonder if she has had a chance to drive down to Spamtown, USA (Austin, MN) and drive in the spring with the windows down. Ahhh. The scent of a commercial pork farm. If she knew such operations existed within a few miles of the metro area, would she flee the land of 10,000 lakes?

344 uptight  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:12:49pm

Okay - please pass this on to any religious Muslim.

Master list of jobs Muslims shouldn't apply for.

1. Dog handler, vet, work in a dog pound, work in a Korean restaurant, working with the blind (especially the "blind drunk") traveling around the country solving mysteries with a guy called Shaggy.

2. Working in any shop, restaurant or factory where you may be required to handle pork products. Probably best to stay away from shops that selling Piggy Banks or pig skin jackets. Avoid working for a TV program featuring a bunch of puppets running a vaudeville theatre.

3. Working in a pub/bar/shop that sells booze, or those chocolates with booze in them, or brandy butter.

4. Working in Hooters (unless they open a Muslim-friendly version called "Hijabbers" or something).

5. Doing any other job which will conflict with your stupendously over-the-top religious rules, forcing the company to bend over backwards to accommodate you, lest they be branded bigots.

345 ChenZhen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:13:07pm

#335 Sharmuta 3/13/2007 03:53PM PDT

With attitudes like yours running around? Soon.

Speaking of Target, I heard they were having a special on torches and pitchforks.

346 Outrider  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:13:55pm

Dang. Lets go further. She won't handle sausage? Bologna? Hot dogs? Vienna Sausages? Most of the meat section in other words. Soups? Pork Raimen? Spam? She won't handle Spam? OK. They are in containers and wrapped. But so was the pork she refused to handle. Not like the butcher just tosses a slab of bleeding meat at the customer.

Just another case of pushing the envelope and seeing what they can get away with. Fire her.

347 angst  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:14:10pm

#318 J.D.
Exactly. For instance, with the Kroger's pharmacy situation, if the pharmacists owned the pharmacy, they could decide not to dispense birth control pills. However, they are employees and as such do not get to choose unless the employer allows it. Which they don't.

Same is true of doctors who don't want to perform abortions. They don't have to if they own their own practice, or if they are employed by a religious institution that forbids it. That is the great thing about the separation of church and state. You can do what you want- but you can't impose your wishes on others. Which is what these cashiers and cabbies are trying to do.

Target needs to be forced to take this little problem to court. I think they would win- the Kroger's pharmacy case is a precedent. What applies to the Christian applies to the Muslim. Period.

348 Daisy  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:15:12pm

Does this person also not ring up products that contain alcohol? Does she not drive a car (alcohol in gasoline) or use any vehicles that are fueled by gas? Why is she working for a store that makes a profit on pork and alcohol infused products?

349 Lorenska  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:23:01pm

#331:

Oh Lord, you're one of those...well, when Mr. Bush tries to tell me that I'm not allowed to go out in public without a male relative escorting me, or unless everything except my eyes is covered, or that I can't vote or drive...or when the US government decides which God I can worship legally or how many kids I can have or which music I'm allowed to listen to (probably none)...or when Congress passes a law saying that my brother is allowed to kill me if I'm raped because I've shamed the family, or my daughters are not allowed to go to school...or when I'm forced by that same government to join a religion that dictates that I must hate and kill anyone who is not a follower of that same religion...maybe when some of THOSE things start happening, I will worry more about the President and the US Government than the Islamofascists who want to force me into their way of life (which includes Sharia law above all else).

Until then, I think I will worry about the true threat, rather than the possibility that some bureaucrat might be tracking the orders I place on Amazon.com. They want to know I'm reading the latest James Patterson? Whatever, I have nothing to hide - except my jugular vein from my friendly neighborhood Muslim Imam.

350 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:25:40pm

345 ChenZhen

Speaking of Target, I heard they were having a special on torches and pitchforks.

You've convinced me. Shari'a isn't a problem.

351 The Monster  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:26:07pm

#130 jwm

"I can't even touch it."
You can't even work here then.

I'd be nicer than that.

If your religion doesn't allow you to touch this package, then you can wear gloves. You can even use your employee discount and buy them here.


I'm such a softie.

352 squeak51  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:27:14pm

#268 - brought to mind- "humulin" was developed in what? the early 80's?
Did those sand-fleas even allow insulin into muslime places?
/ doesn't / mean "do I have to enter a disclaimer?

353 Outrider  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:34:04pm

Once upon a time there were three lizards, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff."

On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll , with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.

So first of all came the youngest Billy Lizard to cross the bridge.

"Trip, trap, trip, trap! " went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll .

"Oh, it is only I, the tiniest Billy lizard, and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the lizard, with such a small voice.

"Now, I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.

"Oh, no! pray don't take me. I'm too little, that I am," said the lizard. "Wait a bit till the second Billy lizard Gruff comes. He's much bigger."

"Well, be off with you," said the troll.

A little while after came the second Billy lizard Gruff to cross the bridge.

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap, went the bridge.

"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll.

"Oh, it's the second Billy lizard Gruff , and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the lizard, who hadn't such a small voice.

"Now I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll.

"Oh, no! Don't take me. Wait a little till the big Billy lizard Gruff comes. He's much bigger."

"Very well! Be off with you," said the troll.

But just then up came the big Billy lizard Gruff .

Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap! went the bridge, for the lizard was so heavy that the bridge creaked and groaned under him.

"Who's that tramping over my bridge?" roared the troll.

"It's I! The big Billy lizard Gruff ," said the lizard, who had an ugly hoarse voice of his own.

"Now I 'm coming to gobble you up," roared the troll.

Well, come along! I've got two spears,
And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;
I've got besides two curling-stones,
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.

That was what the big billy lizard said. And then he flew at the troll, and poked his eyes out with his horns, and crushed him to bits, body and bones, and tossed him out into the cascade, and after that he went up to the hillside. There the billy lizards got so fat they were scarcely able to walk home again. And if the fat hasn't fallen off them, why, they're still fat; and so,

Snip, snap, snout.
This tale's told out.

354 jrausta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:35:26pm

OT: The six flying imams sued the Metropolitan Airports Commission and carrier (I forget which one...like it matters to them) for discrimination. The ABC affiliate noted, suprisingly, the the Christian Broadcasting Network was not allowed to attend the announcement--hosted by who CAIRS--in Washington, D.C.

355 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:36:39pm

#53 looking closely

My tolerance of your religion does not require me to maintain your employ in a job you cannot do. Its not discrimination to fire someone based on their inability to do what they are paid to do.

Absolutely. As a parent of a young adult with disabilities, believe me, plenty of employers try to structure jobs so folks with disabilities don't get hired in the first place.

Stockboy job? Oh, you need to interact with customers, and answer their questions. You have perfect social skills, don't you?

356 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:39:08pm

Glad someone is still around. I was going to post this over on the Digg thread, but it will be better receive here. Besides. You can't digg me down, here. ;p

I live not far from this store. I don't shop there because the place is a f'ing dump. The parking lot is constantly strewn with garbage and you can't find a shopping cart that you don't end up dragging through the store because the wheels don't turn in the same direction. The quality of the help is less than adequate and less than motivated to do their jobs correctly or with any efficiency. That goes for just about anyone working there - many of whom are Somali immigrants.

That being said, this is a result of the bull$#!+, all-inclusive, multi-cultural pablum that pervades Minneapolis, and it is absolute liberal policy. The trouble is, it is not helpful. The liberals believe they are helping the immigrants become part of the community when they don't even recognize that to truly become a part of a new community in a new country you have to assimilate. It doesn't mean you have to leave your culture on the steps of Ellis Island. It means some of your culture doesn't fit in with our culture. Plain and simple. I'm just second generation away from my immigrant grandparents and great-grandparents. Back then, immigrants changed their names to George or Harold in order to sound more American. My family worked their asses off to get ahead here, and they held profound appreciation for the opportunity to do that. Whenever a society lowers the bar for its new citizens, only that bar is reached by most of those immigrants. And when the liberals see that the new immigrants aren't competing as well as, oh, say the Central American immigrants who are erecting businesses by the dozen just a mile to the west, they'll lower the bar again. Just wait and see. Is this fair to Juan, who doesn't seem to have any trouble whipping me up a carne de cerdo burrito?

As local radio personality likes to say when situations like this come up, "Assimilate, or hit the god-damned road."

357 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:39:59pm

354 jrausta

FYI- If you scroll down through yesterday's posts, you'll see that Charles covered it.

358 mean Gene  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:42:10pm

I actually had a worse experience back after the Rodney King riots in Los Angeles.

Our local supermarket (Vons) had a NOI checker, a black man with no smile on the best of days.

After the riots he refused to greet white customers before checkout or thank us when paid.

I used to do weekly shopping there ~$100/week.

I filled the cart, proceeded to checkout and got the "silent treatment."
I held out the money and waited for him to thank me.
He didn't.
So, I said, LOUDLY (the manager's desk was 5 feet away) "if you won't greet me or thank me, I don't need to shop here."

I walked out.
The manager followed.

Later mister nation of Islam was fired, as a "secret shopper" from corporate got the same threatment I got.

359 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:45:26pm

356 Noam Sayin'

Glad someone is still around.

This has been the thread of the day. Where ya been?

I've been suggesting all day that Lizards eveywhere head to Target and take their pork product to a muslim cashier, wait for another cashier to ring up the product, then ask to speak to the manager. Perhaps Target will get the idea when they're hearing from managers all over the country that this will not be tolerated.

360 hiker  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:46:21pm

Come on, folks. ChenZhen is a troll. It's patently obvious.

361 Hot Rod Kid  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:48:23pm

Do the Muslims in Madison, Wisconsin realize that that sweet smell in the air on the east side of Madison is coming from the meat packing plant? Does this mean that they have to stop breathing? Or does Oscar Mayer (Kraft Foods) have to shut down so it won't offend the Islamic culture?

Being from Madison I'd bet that the city council together with the Wisconsin state legislature will pass laws to drive Oscar Mayer out of the state.

362 ibew-con  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:48:48pm

maybe wiping a little bacon grease on your money will help the situation.

that sounds a little weirod.

363 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:50:37pm

From an article mentioned in this thread:

School bus driver Seham Nabry says her boss confiscated her prayer mats and complained that her ritual hand and feet washing messed up the office bathroom. She also says he blared Christian music and taunted Muslim workers as they prayed.

I don't think the boss should've taunted the workers, if that is what he did. However, I think that blaring Christian music might've been his way of hinting that they should quit...and was certainly no worse for the company than Muslim workers taking prayer breaks.

364 hiker  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:50:55pm

I see the pedantic gardener is here, as well.

365 I_Invented_Al_Gore  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:56:05pm

Noam

The liberals believe they are helping the immigrants become part of the community when they don't even recognize that to truly become a part of a new community in a new country you have to assimilate.

As a conservative columnist recently noted, some of these Muslim immigrants are not here to become part of the community. They are here to start a colony.

366 squeak51  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:56:21pm

299 cptham 3/13/2007 01:51PM PDT

Target has food?

LOL - you're precious!

367 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 2:58:59pm

365 I_Invented_Al_Gore

As a conservative columnist recently noted, some of these Muslim immigrants are not here to become part of the community. They are here to start a colony.

Didn't you see? ChenZen said Target has pitchforks on sale, so Shari'a isn't a problem.

368 beej  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:03:01pm

323 Peck

I can't figure out WHY they would take jobs that simply by performing them would be a personal offense to their god/religion/imam etc. That is, unless it was to do exactly what she has done...made a stink about it.

I quit a job once after a month, because selling liquor at the ABC store locally didn't feel right to me, it just seemed to contradict my faith. If she was hired as cashier at Target, she would have to have had an understanding of what she was getting herself into from the beginning.

Observing Sabbath cannot be compared to this issue. In a 24/7/365 workplace, it is reasonable for one to think they could request and receive a day off for worship or practice of their religion. After all, the American work week is traditionally five days. It can be worked around. If you aren't permitted by religion or jeeze...even allergies---to handle certain items, then by golly, find a place where handling those items isn't an issue.

What's missing here is good old common sense.

369 Merovign  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:06:21pm

#353 Outrider

w00t!

:)

370 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:08:47pm

#331 ChenZhen

The Downing Street Memo? That's your proof that Bush is destroying the Constitution?

What's next? The f*cking Truther video?

371 GGMac  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:18:10pm

The most disturbing comment in the Mnpls newspaper link is the one by "Hasarreef Mahogoff": I never stop laughing at the inferior infidels as we cause them anger as we slowly take over their land. And you are so ignorant you don't even see it happening. Seriously, you don't deserve a country."

Sounds like that sentiment came right out of a Friday prayers playbook, doesn't it?

Some kine of eerie irony - what will be our last purchase at a Target was a gift my husband brought me yesterday - to celebrate finally getting registered at LGF: a green rubber lizard, whose nest is atop the computer where he can readily observe the screen.

To #74, Realwest - perhaps with this onslaught of threads Charles is attempting to keep agile the minds of those of us who've entered old cooterdom?!

372 spynverzyon  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:21:00pm

Soon enough, the Muslim grocery clerks will sue for the right to refuse to handle pork without being fired.

But if a Muslim, even while wearing gloves, can't touch a pork-topped pizza that's hermetically sealed in shrink wrap, then wouldn't that same Muslim be unable to touch the shopping cart that held that pizza (or any other pork product)?

So, could the Muslim then sue for the right not to interact with pork in any way without being fired?

But wouldn't that Muslim also be unable, even while wearing shoes, to walk on the floor that supported the cart that held the shrink-wrapped pizza? Or unable even to enter the building that shelters that floor? If touching shrink-wrap violates their religious beliefs, then being in the store at all must be a problem, too.

So, can they then sue for the right to refuse to enter the store without being fired? And when they do, will Target "solve" the problem by removing all the pork from its shelves, so that the employees it can't fire will actually enter the store and do some work?

But then, couldn't any store that stocked pork products potentially be liable for infringing on its employees rights?

How long before Dearborn or Minneapolis passes a local law banning the sale of pork products in any establishment other than, say an explicitly non-halal butcher shop?

And can anyone suggest a suitable name for such a law?

373 squeak51  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:21:06pm

? What happens when a muslime get email SPAM? Do their eyes fall out?

374 lejero  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:21:33pm

Can SOMEBODY please explain why this religion has been handled with kid gloves since 9/11? For CHRIST’s sakes, they slaughter 3000 of our people and WE HAVE to make sure they're not being harassed? WE have to make concessions? It seems they have been playing the WHINE card to a T. Cry harassment when somebody questions their motives. It’s time to make them cry non-stop. I tire of this. I hope we ALL tire of this. They wanna live here? They better integrate into OUR society, or as the ol' cliché' goes, get out. Oh, pass the pork rinds and beer. mmm, good...

375 Dr. Shalit  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:25:35pm

OK -

Enough nonsense - check the package or be fired. My family was in the butcher business, Orthodox Jews dealing with a non-Jewish trade. They cut and sold Pork though they wouldn't eat it themselves. Only one thing - tell prospective employees that there may be things that their religion may frown on as merchandise. If they have a problem with it. Then DON'T HIRE THEM.

-s-

376 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:30:20pm

For the record, a recent purchase at another Target, which included sausage and pepperoni in the pizza, was handled without incident or hesitation. I drive about an extra three miles for this location, largely because their clearance racks are always chock full of stuff.

And on my drive home from work today, a couple cute, young Somali women smiled and waved at me from their car, "Hi, there!"

The smile and wave was returned enthusiastically.

Spring fever.

377 ointmentfly  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:35:14pm

Can we just see what happens when we drop a load of Bubba's Pork BBQ on Mecca? Puleeeaassseee!

378 Ronnie Schreiber  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:36:21pm

The most disturbing comment in the Mnpls newspaper link is the one by "Hasarreef Mahogoff": I never stop laughing at the inferior infidels as we cause them anger as we slowly take over their land. And you are so ignorant you don't even see it happening. Seriously, you don't deserve a country."

It's a spoof.

Hasareef Mahogoff

379 McNug  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:42:17pm

I better eat this pita before it goes stale, and also this ham before it goes bad.

Voila! Thus is the Ham Shawarma born!

Curiously, "Ham Shawarma" returns zero results on google. Could it be perhaps that the thought of desecrating a noble islamic foodstuff with smoked ham is simply too much for civilization to handle?

Not so! In fact, it's delicious!

Boy, am I bored...bored and out of groceries...

380 deacon  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:43:09pm

I had some muslims over to my house the other day. I had a deli meat tray out and of course, there was ham on it. They did not seem to mind, they even ate some. Unfortunately, this type of muslim seems to be in the minority.

381 Luco-Brazzi  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:44:09pm

Ironic that Libs are always screaming about Americans losing rights, and civil liberties being violated. There silence and appeasement on this matter are quite telling, In my opinion.

382 SorenK  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:44:16pm

This morning everyone was discussing pasta recipes. Now we're on to pork. We should start a lizardoid recipe section.

383 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:47:23pm

371 GGMac

Some kine of eerie irony - what will be our last purchase at a Target was a gift my husband brought me yesterday - to celebrate finally getting registered at LGF: a green rubber lizard, whose nest is atop the computer where he can readily observe the screen.

Funny! Welcome to LGF.

370 Noam Sayin'

What's next? The f*cking Truther video?

ROTF. I'm glad we got over our spat, Jerk Amigo.

384 grumpy old codger  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:49:52pm

#374

Sharia

385 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:50:25pm

Late to this thread, but wanting to put in my .2 ...

I can see young muslim teenagers being encouraged by their clerics to apply at McDonalds, Baja Fresh, etc., then refuse to give a sausage mcmuffin to a customer, or ring up a carnitas taco. They'll just start infiltrating fast-food places that serve pork.

Only the beginning folks. It may take a decade, but if we re-read this blog 10 years from now we'll be thinking how prescient we all were.

386 Luco-Brazzi  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:50:46pm

Ironic that Libs are always screaming about Americans losing rights, and civil liberties being violated. Their silence and appeasement on this matter are quite telling, In my opinion.

387 4therecord  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 3:55:03pm

Time to buy pork futures. I sense an impending spike in demand...

388 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:02:08pm

And another thing, which I don't think has been discussed yet, if you can believe that. I wonder if the Muslim American Society - the same group who issued the fatwa on booze in airport cabs - had any influence through this person's mosque.

Glad to see everyone still on topic this late in the thread. Everybody give everybody a hand.

*clapping*

389 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:03:34pm

Noam, I am entering late. Is this in the same community as the taxi issue?

390 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:03:38pm

371 GGMac

Some kine of eerie irony - what will be our last purchase at a Target was a gift my husband brought me yesterday - to celebrate finally getting registered at LGF: a green rubber lizard, whose nest is atop the computer where he can readily observe the screen.

After thinking about this I wanted to add- don't bother boycotting Target- just make these people do their job. Everyone was going to boycott Target after the Salvation Army thing, and Target hasn't felt it. I disagree with any boycott. We need to force their hand here and make them do their jobs. As I've stated- go in and buy some pork. When you have a problem with your muslim cashier, politely ask for the manager afterwards. Hopefully, Target will be hearing from many store managers in the coming days and weeks, but they won't understand the message of a boycott as much as customer complaints.

391 ChenZhen  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:04:07pm

#360 hiker 3/13/2007 04:46PM PDT

Come on, folks. ChenZhen is a troll. It's patently obvious.

I think it depends on who you ask ...;)

392 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:05:37pm

389 St. Pancake

Is this in the same community as the taxi issue?

It sure is.

393 squeak51  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:05:51pm

Maybe wiping a little bacon grease on your money will help the situation. --
Heating up the bacon drippin's right now! Thanks! Great idea.
Will one of ya'll invent a bacon-drippin' spray?
Yea, just gave the farm away didn't I?
SPAM is taken - how about MooslujuiceSquirt?
Hey - get rich -- No cash, just pray for me!
BTW - bus service in Jerusalem considered bags of pig fat hung openly placed in the buses to discourage splodeydopes. I don't eat pork for the most part, but G-d created the things - does islam say allah did not? If yes, why (and HOW if mo was "pure" could he have even "thought" of a porker?, if not and he's g/d - why afterall are they here on 'his' planet? Then again, if allah was so powerful, why do the [bigoted word]s not have their own planet? (That idea came from an earlier post I can't find now.) = allah/islam is a lie and mo is simply a thief, a serial murderer and a (seriously effed up) pedophile.
G-d may have created piggets to just drive me nuts when smelling bacon chooked in the cafe! Just for me, me, me, me, me!
Hey, a burkah is the closest thing to walking around alive in a body bag. . . .
So, if a "man" dressed up in a body bag/burkah gets hit in the road and woman in a burkah/body bag from one of the 'health services' runs out to help - will she face 'honor killing' when she gets home that night when she has defiled his (what could become) nakedness by trying to save HIS nasty, worthless (femalebeating) life?
Okay, time to log off - I'm going around the bend.

394 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:08:41pm

Sharmuta
Are most of the muslims there Somalis?

395 skankyRobot  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:10:17pm

Sometimes there's a hijab-wearing clerk at the Target that I patronize; I never ever go to her register, knowing that she could explode at any moment. I'll gladly stand in another line.

396 spam spam spam spam  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:13:27pm

Mrs. Spam just reminded me of this:

A few months ago she bought a silver crucifix at Macy's. The muslima clerk would not touch the cross. Clerk got another clerk to take it out of the case & make the sale.

Mrs. Spam had a feeling the muslima might refuse to help her, but was still quite suprised when her suspicion was born out.

This was in Orange County, Ca.

397 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:14:20pm

Spam
For Pete's sake.
Bigotry comes in different forms. Jerks...

398 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:19:59pm

#388 Noam Sayin'

If similar incidents begin occuring in more businesses throughout the U.S. and other parts of the globe then one must presume they appear to be orchestrated. That's what happened with all the cabbie drama - refusals here in the States, then the exact same scenarios in Australia, England, etc. Just means they're all getting the same memo.

#390 Sharmuta

Target felt a definite dip in their earnings a year ago Christmas when they prohibited their employees from wishing customers "Merry Christmas". Christmas '06 was quite different, at least in the Target near us - they fell over each other saying it to everyone. Not allowing the Salvation Army also really hurt our local Target.

I agree, tho, that those who live in areas where muslims are employed should put some pork in their basket and head on over to the islamic check-out. We cannot allow this type of behavior here in the U.S. No Christian, Jew, Budhist, Hindu would EVER get away with this sort of nonsense.

I'd be shopping there everyday buying pork (even tho I don't eat it) if we had muslims working here, but we don't.

399 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:20:36pm
400 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:22:45pm

St. Pancake.

Is this in the same community as the taxi issue?

Yes it is.


Noam: Scroll down a bit, Noam. Sharmuta's already answered her.

Noam: Huh? Oh, sorry.

Noam: Now, add something to the conversation, or scratch this post.

Okay,

What I find more interesting is that Somali immigrants have been living and working in Minneapolis for about a decade, yet the issue has only arisen as of late. I wouldn't be surprise that the Muslim American Society has it's influence on her mosque.

Wanna know what's really funny? On 38th and Chicago in S. Minneapolis, there's a mosque located under a convenience store. I've never been there, but I have to think they're moving some pork through that store.

401 skankyRobot  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:24:13pm
#396 spam x 4

I would say a little note to the store head and to Macy's corporate might be in order.

Target doesn't own a department store anymore, they sold Daytons/Hudsons/Marshall Fields several years back.

402 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:25:39pm

Yes, I am now promising to buy more pork. Not sure though if there are any Muslim cashiers.

403 Kosh's Shadow  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:26:39pm

Next, the Mooslims will refuse to serve Jews. Anyone think that isn't a few steps down the road?

Jews, by the way, are only forbidden from eating pork. Handling pork isn't a problem. (OK, handling a dead pig would render one ritually impure, and you'd have to take a ritual bath and wait until sunset before being able to offer a sacrifice at the Temple. But that isn't much of an inconvenience, seeing there is no Temple, and we're all ritually impure anyway)

And medicine derived from pigs would come under the category of something required for health, and would be not only allowed, but required.

404 formercorpsman  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:31:24pm

Noam

Whenever a society lowers the bar for its new citizens, only that bar is reached by most of those immigrants. And when the liberals see that the new immigrants aren't competing as well as, oh, say the Central American immigrants who are erecting businesses by the dozen just a mile to the west, they'll lower the bar again. Just wait and see. Is this fair to Juan, who doesn't seem to have any trouble whipping me up a carne de cerdo burrito?

Noam, this is where I have a problem as well.

I am against all of the problems illegal immigration present, and it does present many.

I can say, unequivocally, those boys and girls from below our southern border that I have come in contact with, are some of the hardest working folks I know.

My perception of the problems facing our country over the next 20 years, is the result of our native born not to repopulate with the pace of the baby boomers who will have a net impact on the government draw, hence, both parties not willing to do anything about the issue.

I don't know, and I mean I just don't know. The majority of my interaction with these folk has been positive, but I realize it is a problem larger than my contact radius.

I think what might happen, or perhaps what I hope will happen, is that the success of the Mexicans, and Central Americans in this country, and subsequent lowering of the bar, angers them to point that they become just another voting block that the liberals feel they can alienate. I think the colleges already do that with Asians.

Sorry for the ramble, your comments just sparked some thoughts.

405 AgentX9  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:35:41pm

Don't know if any of you remember, but Target did remove all its Che merchandise from its web site and stores after a massive, relentless e-mail campaign spurred, without a doubt, by blog entries about the stuff by Michelle Malkin and others.

I'm a former Target associate. I worked the registers and the floor. When you log into a cash register, you are timed as to how long it takes you to ring up an guest's purchases. After the transaction completes, you are graded with either a G (Green, meaning you were quick in ringing up the order) or an R (Red, which meant that you took too damn long). If you have to stop for any reason, or you ring up slowly, that time goes against you and you end up with an R and the end of the transaction. Get enough Rs too many times, you're removed from the registers.

Not only does this cashier slow herself down, but the Guest Services manager on duty at the time has to stop what he or she is doing (and if the store is extremely busy, they're doing a lot!) and run over and scan the "offending" purchase.

I think the store in question may just move her off registers and put her out on the floor in soft goods (folding and hanging clothes). If CAIR or some other organization howls "Discrimination!" the store can just say she wasn't efficient enough at the checkout.

406 uptight  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:35:57pm

356 Noam Sayin said

As local radio personality likes to say when situations like this come up, "Assimilate, or hit the god-damned road."

F.I.F.O (fit in or f*** off) should be put in the constituion

407 deadmanwalking  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:36:55pm

I am a Seventh-day Adventist and as such we observe Friday sundown to Saturday sundown as holy--the same as the jews. Right now I am looking for a job and have been out of work for 11 months and have turned down jobs because of this. In fact, one potential employer wouldn't even allow me to leave work one hour early on Fridays in the winter when sundown is really early. Employers are required by law to make reasonable accomodations for an employee's religious belief although I chose not to pursue it.

That said, why did the cashier accept a job where she had to realize that this may be a problem? I always make sure my needs are presented to the employer as soon as I'm hired. Also, I would hope that this wouldn't fall under "reasonable accomodation" --I can't see that it would be reasonable for Target to be required to have a spare cashier to step in every time someone came up with a pork product.

This is just another attempt by the Muslims to push us to see just how far we'll let them go and to give the ACLU another swipe at our constitution.

408 gromster  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:37:59pm

#22 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Intriguing scenario!

The only downfall I can think of...

The Muslim check-out girl might insist that you descreated the korans.

So you might as well put the whole koran-pork sandwich in between two Piglet coloring books.

409 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:39:31pm

#394 St. P

Are most of the muslims there Somalis?

We have muslims from all around the globe here: Arabs, Persians, Pakastani, Indian, you name it. One of my taekwondo instructors is an Iranian. An old neighbor, with whom I occasionally had drinks with in his back yard is an Iranian (didn't think much about that 10 years ago). Arabs at the tobacco shop I used to go to on University ave.

I wonder if the issues coming from the Somali community might have something to do with the lack of individuality that drove other muslims to the US, away from their restrictive cultures. They didn't just up and come here. They were brought here.

Quite honestly, they've been preyed upon by nearly every facet of society since they got here, too: the local politicians use them for political gain; the local gangs use them as muscle; a large segment of them are packed into a $#!++y relic of HUD days gone-by; and I count this among it - the signs for the light-rail line are also shown in Af Soomaali, not to mention Khmer, Vietnamese and Spanish.

410 shmujew  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:42:12pm

why are they afraid to swipe things? They swiped Judaism and TWisted it!

411 St. Pancake  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:44:52pm

Thanks, Noam
I did read the comments on that article, and it confirmed what you said. To this day I have no idea why they were brought there anyway.

412 Noam Sayin'  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:45:03pm

#404 formercorpsman

Nice finish.

413 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:45:19pm
414 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 4:49:01pm

#407 deadmanwalking

It seems to me you have a lawsuit on your hands! Amazing that we are expected to treat islam with reverence, making every allowance possible for their religion, fasts and rituals but you weren't given one iota of respect for yours.

Maybe, just maybe, it's because I can't remember the last time I read about a Seventh Day Adventist sawing off heads or blowing up buildings.

415 rorschach  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 5:23:45pm

In the same way that Anna Nicole Smith has inspired me to turn off the TV, muslims have inspired me to eat more pork.

/...he says as he wolfs down a pork chop.

416 Tasty Beverage  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 5:35:44pm

#405 AgentX9

When you log into a cash register, you are timed as to how long it takes you to ring up an guest's purchases. After the transaction completes, you are graded with either a G (Green, meaning you were quick in ringing up the order) or an R (Red, which meant that you took too damn long). If you have to stop for any reason, or you ring up slowly, that time goes against you and you end up with an R and the end of the transaction. Get enough Rs too many times, you're removed from the registers.

Thanks for that info.

417 GGMac  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 5:56:18pm

#390 Sharmuta - My initial reaction was to stamp the feets and holler "never again", but you're right - and there are lots of items listing pork/pork by-products in the ingredients, and as someone up the thread said, footballs are 'pigskins'. I wonder if that old magazine "Pigskin Parade" still exists...

#404 formercorpsman - something that's been rumbling around in my head for months regarding the influx of illegals from Mexico being allowed to continue unabated; I mean, it's pretty obvious to anyone with three brain cells that it's lustily encouraged by GWB as well as most other politicians, both Dems and Repls -is that GWB et al see it as the salvation of the social security system: with the Mexicans suddenly (apparently it will happen before too much longer) paying into SS, benefits for the soon-to-be-retiring boomers will be restored from pipedream to reality.
Ya think?

418 Fredtoon  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:08:45pm

Sounds like an opportunity for fun. I would love to live near that Target (if it wasn't in yankee land).

419 Joan Not of Arc  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:08:54pm

Why is any of this occurring? It is a matter of course that Muslims in countries with no Muslim majority will have to deal with dogs, alcohol and pork. Do they really think people will put up with this forever? Now, perhaps, but in the long run there will be a revolt and fellow employees and patrons will just take their anger out on a bunch of emotionally and socially-stunted members of a backward cult.

420 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:14:31pm
421 Blue Chip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:15:46pm

It’s not about the pork

This is, of course, a test.

How Target and the general public respond will determine if the test was successful.

Even if the test is a failure, the woman is fired, quits, or reassigned, we’re being conditioned to expect to make ongoing exceptions to Muslims who would use their religion to rearrange society to suit their needs and goals.

From taxi cabs, to seeing eye dogs, to pork products, to swimming pools, to alcohol consumption, to public calls to prayers; you’re going to be 'asked' to tolerate behavior from one specific group of people against the time honored traditions, commerce, public access rights and requests of the rest of society.

Our motto of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness is being used against us in a game of blackmail (and veiled threats) to test the tolerance of a religious minority against a secular majority.

This isn’t going to go away anytime soon….

422 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:16:29pm
423 Blue Chip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:24:55pm

oops!

#421
"tolerance of a religious minority "
Should be.."tolerence for a religious minority"

424 Wookieelips  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:35:24pm

#382 SorenK

Good idea. I'll share my chorizo quesadilla recipe!

How hilarious would it be to go there and not only buy pork, but load a cart up with all things pig? Pork products, piggy banks, stuffed pigs, plastic pigs, a copy of Charlotte's Web, A DVD of Charlotte's Web, A DVD of Babe, pig ears from the pet department...

425 mattm  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:44:07pm

If scanning customers groceries is the job requirement and you can not do that you need to be fired. I would love to go to that register with some bacon and other items and when she goes to find another person to scan demand the manager. Make a scene about the intolerant employee and walk out leaving them with a carriage full of groceries to put back.

I work for a super market chain part time and they actually have a "diversity department" where they print a yearly calendar among other things with every know holiday they can find. The have denied my request to he my Birthday put on their. They said it is not a religion/special holiday. it is to me, b***. For some reason my store decided to open a Kosher Bakeshop a few years ago. The rabbi did not demand that we stop selling all non-kosher foods in the store. Why should we listen to a even smaller group of people who refuse to follow our way of life in every aspect?

426 Outrider  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:45:45pm

#424 Wookielips

How hilarious would it be to go there and not only buy pork, but load a cart up with all things pig? Pork products, piggy banks, stuffed pigs, plastic pigs, a copy of Charlotte's Web, A DVD of Charlotte's Web, A DVD of Babe, pig ears from the pet department...


Leave us not forget Vienna Sausages and SPAM!.

Lots of SPAM, SPAM, and more SPAM

427 ladycatnip  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 6:56:02pm

#421 Blue Chip

Bingo!

Well said. This is exactly their goal - and as someone else said (Charles or Robert Spencer?) they are a VERY patient people who do not mind waiting. A little demand here, a little demand there, until our country is overrun with muslims demanding shari'a.

It's from their mouths to our ears, but not very many people are listening. Too busy accomodating.

428 Shifra  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:06:24pm

Will our favorite Muslim Congressperson Ellison will refrain from pork barrel politics and adding pork to other bills?

/hopefulness

429 SkyeChild  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:34:08pm

Those who are comparing this bacon thing with teenagers and alcohol are trying to compare apples to oranges. This woman refused to ring up bacon because of a RELIGIOUS belief; the teenagers can't ring up alcohol BY LAW.

There's a huge difference.

430 Sharmuta  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:46:41pm

405 AgentX9


I'm a former Target associate. I worked the registers and the floor. When you log into a cash register, you are timed as to how long it takes you to ring up an guest's purchases. After the transaction completes, you are graded with either a G (Green, meaning you were quick in ringing up the order) or an R (Red, which meant that you took too damn long). If you have to stop for any reason, or you ring up slowly, that time goes against you and you end up with an R and the end of the transaction. Get enough Rs too many times, you're removed from the registers

.

Very insightful- thank you. Another reason to make sure to take your pork product to a muslim cashier at Target.

417 GGMac

My initial reaction was to stamp the feets and holler "never again", but you're right - and there are lots of items listing pork/pork by-products in the ingredients, and as someone up the thread said, footballs are 'pigskins'.

And I think it's a very natural reaction, but I don't think it will get the job done as efficiently as customer complaints in this situation. The cab driver situation, IMO, is the opposite- they need fares to pay their bills, so boycotting them works.

431 mjazzguitar  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 7:48:23pm

The Jehovah's Witnesses won't have blood transfusions because of the prohibition against consuming blood in the Bible. Sometimes hospitals have to get court orders to override the parent's wishes when a child's life is at stake. I remember the one kid in school who wouldn't say the Pledge of Allegiance because the JW's prohibit it. Once a JW girl was stranded on a small island and the only way to survive was play dead and wring the necks of seagulls when they came to investigate and drink the blood.

432 donna quixote  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 8:37:00pm

If Target gives in to this situation, it will soon be a universal American problem.

433 angst  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 9:14:37pm

Sharmuta & GGMac
I agree that complaining to the management is the best way to handle this, but I don't live where there are Muslim cashiers. Boycotting is all I can do, so I do.

The important thing is that folks do something, and not pass this off as "reasonable accomodation," which it isn't, since the whole thing is simply a fabricated problem designed to further the sense of entitlement of this group of people. Even if it were a legitimate religious request, businesses have to draw the line or they will be soon be in a situation where accomodating religious sensibilities will, at minimum, require a full-time management position or at least entirely new staffing software. In the end, it will impede their ability to provide services, raise prices, and put people out of work. Not to mention the cultural disintegration it causes, which is obviously the critical issue at hand.

434 angst  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 9:44:57pm

#431 mjazzguitar
I agree with your general take on JW and blood products, but the seagull thing is off-base, IMHO.
Have you ever seen a JW die from blood loss? I don't have a huge problem with it if they really feel that way about blood products, but usually what happens is the patient is never left alone to make their own choice about it. The room is always full of elders to ensure the JW believer makes the "right" choice. The parallels with radical Islam are obvious.

But many folks who are not JW or Christian Scientists use religious justification to avoid treatments of all kinds in order to reap whatever secondary gain they can. It's just like this Target pork problem, only more serious. They don't really believe what they're doing, they're just doing it for the attention.

The great thing about the separation of church & state is that since my religion doesn't look kindly on suicide, I don't have to take care of these people. I do have to find someone who will, if it's an emergency. The relevant issue being that I am not an employee and the inconvenience is mine, not my employer's and not even the delusional patient's.

435 GGMac  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 10:36:26pm

#443 angst

"...to further the sense of entitlement of this group of people..."


You're spot-on, and are you also frustrated beyond measure at how many people - moonbats and normal folk alike - are so astoundingly oblivious as to the long-term consequences to our country and society from this creeping fungus islamist goal of sharia law?

There's a pretty remarkable book published by St.Martin's Press in 2002: "Inside 9-11 What Really Happened", by the reporters, writers & editors of Der Spiegel magazine. In the appendix are excerpts from the terrorists' manual, Atta's last will, and a primer for terrorists on suicide missions. We have moonbats and dunderheads wanting to coddle the likes of CAIR - have tea parties at the White House - and make nicey-nice at Target, and at the Minneapolis airport, and wherever and whatever else they demand (never a request - always a demand), while the introduction to their al Qaeda manual instructs them: "Islam does not coincide or make truce with unbelief, but rather confronts it"..."paving the road that leads to majestic allah and establishes a caliphate according to the prophecy". (page 265) And of course, if we don't want that future - if we fight figuratively and literally (Iraq/Afganistan), we're to be condemned by the islamists and the liberal moonbats as socially and morally deficient "phobes".

/descends from soapbox, and thanks G-d we have this LGF forum to vent our spleens!

Lizard hatchling now looking for a warm rock on which to have a snooze, as it's 2:30am in my little part of the world - 'night angst - and all...

436 angst  Tue, Mar 13, 2007 11:01:19pm

GGmac
Yes, I am frustrated. Hell, I live in a state that doesn't even have a mosque, but I can see it coming. How folks in the rest of the world manage to ignore the problem is truly beyond me.
Goodnight, sleep tight, don't let the bed bugs...
Wait! I forgot, we're lizards, we bite the bugs.

437 niallster  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 1:36:27am

This may be a bit of an urban myth but its a good tale.

When they built the latest mega mosque in Bradford the builders were all non-muslims. Most muslims in UK live on the dole and promote jihad at the taxpayers expense like old Fat Trevor (who is a qualified electrician).

So every day the builders asked their wives to give them bacon sandwiches and each day they dropped one slice of bacon each day in to the foundations and walls of the mosque.

I wish it was true even if it is not.

438 nilk  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 1:50:47am

I hope this thread's not dead yet - but a suggestion for those travellers amongst us: Hats of Meat.

439 Andrew Ian Dodge  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 3:21:17am

Surely they need to get sacked for not doing their jobs? Target are cowards if they give in to this crap.

440 debee1015  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 3:56:25am

I wish strapping bombs to their chests and building IED's was more Haraam, the world would be a safer place.

441 bnichols10  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 3:58:35am

If you are appalled that this is happening in Target stores in MN I encourage you to take the time to write a letter to Bob Ulrich, who is the President and CEO of Target. I contacted their corporate HQ and they provided me with the following address:
Target Stores, Target Executive Offices
Mail Stop TFS 1A-X
PO Box 9350
Minneapolis, MN 55440
c/o: Bob Ulrich
Chairman and CEO, Target

If you prefer to call them to register your complaint the number is: 800-440-0680. They will want to record your name and address for the call.
I strongly suggest that everyone voice their opinions on this outside of this forum. The reason these practices are allowed to stand is that so far Americans have been unwilling to stand up and take a strong position against this type of behavior.

442 gutneshama  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 4:41:43am

Boycott Target for hiring Moslems with burqas in the first place!

443 GGMac  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 4:51:19am

A bit of sleep sure helps - and brings to light the errors of the wee hours: in my #435, #443 should have been #433.

#436 angst
How fortunate you are to dwell in a place not yet infected - I'm speculating you are familiar with sun-dogs; not asking - just speculating.

#437 niallster
That may be an urban legend, but you have surely and wonderfully planted a seed!

#438 nilk
I'm especially impressed with the Crown of Pig's Feet. Have you approched Target...perhaps they'd like to carry the line.

#438 Andrew Ian Dodge
Yes, she should be fired, which is just what CAIR hopes for - so they and ACLU can bring suit, again, and this time punish Target for allowing a pitiful muslim to be mistreated.
Someone earlier in this thread who is local Mnpls said (paraphrased here) this particular Target is less then a model store; that it presents less than a positive visual impression. Makes one wonder why this particular Target is the target (groan...forgive me). Makes me wonder whether CAIR gets someone in place within to do the prep work - to hire the right person to be at the register. Not difficult to do in a city with 5% muslim population. As much as Target Corp Hdqtrs would probably hope to handle this at the local level, we all know that's not going to happen as logic, normal business procedures, and calm are not on the CAIR agenda - gaining control of this country is what it's all about, and Ellison's Mnpls district is at this point leading the parade.

444 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 5:18:23am

GGMac

#404 formercorpsman - something that's been rumbling around in my head for months regarding the influx of illegals from Mexico being allowed to continue unabated; I mean, it's pretty obvious to anyone with three brain cells that it's lustily encouraged by GWB as well as most other politicians, both Dems and Repls -is that GWB et al see it as the salvation of the social security system: with the Mexicans suddenly (apparently it will happen before too much longer) paying into SS, benefits for the soon-to-be-retiring boomers will be restored from pipedream to reality.
Ya think?

It is an interesting argument. Certainly has some logic to it.

My impression is that, neither political party wants to admit how the road to hell was paved with good intent, by way of the SSA. When you really examine this as a retirement plan, any private plan manager would lose their job over such a concoction.

I also wonder, is the softening of our borders, and security with the south, could be a counter balance to the enormity of China, and the influx of very cheap labor on the global market.

Is it a way for oil companies to have a crack at some futures?

Like I put in my post before, I am against the current policy. I am against the loss of our automonmy, for the sake of diplomatic state inclusion.

The majority of people in Central & South America are decent, moral, hardworking, family folks who have been given a shitty choice for political options as a stake in their future.

Again, I am conflicted, honestly. I think our only chance at stemming the scourge we know in the middle east now, is not by turning a blind eye, but giving those who have the most to lose, by contrast, the most to gain.

I interpret the potential losers as the children of Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. They have to be given a real option at life besides the twisted logic of a martyrdom video bestowed by some fat cleric, and in it's place, the lure of a soccer ball, a classroom, and vaccinations against very treatable illnesses they succumbed to during the sanctimonious UN sanctions.

Parse that with what we know about our nations to the south, I think for our own sake, we need to at least try as hard as we can to facilitate a better American continent, as these folks should be given as much opportunity, as I feel they only want what is best for their families, their futures, etc.

By having a possible soft spot, this does not mean I agree with the current problem of illegal immigration, quite the contrary. I think this country only gets better, when we intigrate better people.

445 formercorpsman  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 5:27:18am

Yes, I see.

Mucho numero typo.

446 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 6:03:29am

442 gutneshama

Boycott Target for hiring Moslems with burqas in the first place!

That's very unhelpful. Target needs to hear from it's customers in a loud voice that this will not be tolerated, and a boycott does not provide that loud voice. The best way to make our voices heard here is to lodge complaints- in-store with the managers, or through letters and emails if you live in an area with a low or non-muslim population.

447 Clutch  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 6:48:07am

Target let the Salvation Army set up its' kettles here in Norcross/Duluth Georgia last Christmas and I made sure to let my daughter stick a few bills in the slot. I wonder if it is a regional thing?

The local BJ's warehouse store has a gentleman of a foreign persuasion (meaning I don't know where he's from)that works behind the deli counter, slicing up ham, beef, turkey and other delicious meats. The funny thing is that he is a vegetarian, but has no problem with cutting up the meat and serving us carnivores with good humor and a pleasant demeanor. Just don't ask him how good anything tastes (unless you are ordering cheese, there he can help you out...)

Another interesting thing is that there is a pizza joint in Duluth GA that has several Muslims working behind the counter, with Islamic calendars on the wall 'n all. They have NO problem with putting bacon, ham, sausage and pepperoni on the pizzas; maybe it is due to the fact that they are wearing gloves and don't touch the meat (or anything else) with their bare hands. Very pleasant bunch of guys, too.

I think that it is either a state law or maybe just a store policy that workers under the age of 18 can't sell alcohol and cigarettes, but those laws/policies sorta make sense. For standard foodstuffs, the cashier should ring it up without question. If pork offends you, go get a job in a non-food-related industry.

448 -Mozart-  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 9:40:22am

#188

Sorry - I forgot my /sarc tag.

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449 fuseman  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 10:16:41am

maybe if the coalition started to put bacon grease on their munitons...

450 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 10:26:49am
451 Sharmuta  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 1:52:04pm

I went to Target today. I selected some diced ham along with a couple other items, and selected a muslima cashier who was finishing up with another customer. The gentleman across from her offered to ring me up, and I politely told him I already had my items to be purchased on the counter, just as another customer went to him, so there was no suspicion.

I placed my ham in front of the other two items to be scanned. When my muslima turned to take care of my transaction she reached for the first item, then looked at what it was. Her hand drew back immediately. She proceeded to scan the other two items, then she anxiously looked around. The other cashiers were busy with their own customers, so she reluctantly scanned my ham, and placed it in the bag while I smiled pleasantly at her. This muslima did not give me the opportunity to ask for the manager, since she performed her job, and that's okay. I still consider this a minor victory. She had to do her job, and I'll be back.

I have since spoken with a grocery manager about this issue. According to him, it comes down to the union's collective bargaining agreement as to how to handle a cashier (or bagger) who does not want to perform their job requirements for a grocer. The store he works for would demote a cashier to a bagger (they make less money) and if it was still a problem it would be grounds for dismissal. The union could not protect a cashier in this situation, since it is not covered in the collective bargaining agreement to which his company is obliged.

He suggests to those of us planning to lodge complaints to stress the time wasted by the muslim cashier as the main point Target would take issue with. Not wanting to argue the finer points, I said I would pass this information on to the posters and readers of this blog.

452 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Mar 14, 2007 3:14:47pm

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