Never Always draw conclusions!

Re: #496

Darn, that is a scenic canyon. Never been there, I understand rafting is popular.

But what if there were gay inbred Mexicans on the top of the canyons, attempting to shoot campers, and kidnapping Ned Beatty and shouting " ¡El chillido tiene gusto de un cerdo! "?

He's up!

"Gimme the straight scoop, Howie! Stop talking in code!"

I conclude that Kurtz is a boob.

#496 was a reference to flooding on the Devils River and Pecos River, and warnings for campers to flee the canyons, which inspired me to link to a picture of the beautiful Santa Elena canyon on the Rio Grande (Rio Bravo del Norte in Coahuila) which separates Texas from Mexico.

There is nothing for the left to gain by admitting the difference, Charles, and everything to gain if they can simply say, "The other side does it, too!" It's all about being fair, even when there isn't any fairness at all.

It's sickening and annoying.

Charles, don't you realize, the media will always misrepresent this issue. In their minds, lefties are delightful peaceniks, and neo-cons are knuckle-dragging violent hatemongers. No evidence to the contrary will ever disabuse them of that.

I can't picture Howard Kurtz without thinking of a sweaty, obese Marlon Brando lit by dim torches.

Not sure why.

Howard Kurtz be damned, I stand by my comments regarding left-handed, albino, Rh-negative, gay Lutheran Eskimos.

Deception

sorry - OT right off the bat - only because I have to go to work soon. Palestinians uproot 4000 trees planted by Israeli children. Besides stealing cars, sheep, beehives, whatever they can get their hands on, from their Jewish neighbors, the palestinians will uproot Jewish fruit trees and plant olive trees there. The Jews hesitate to cut them down, the army declares it a military zone, and the arabs steal Jewish land.

Just remember nobody protested the Atlanta Braves when they were cellar dwellers year after year. Take a little pride in the back handed compliment that every thing blog wise is being compared to LGF. Charles you are the standard bearer.

Kurtz does this because he and his paper are in the business of propoganda, not truth. His pretense is one of willfully failing to research his topics, week in and week out. The man is an utter failure.

Howard Kurtz: Lazy Media Relic

He clearly gets his information spoonfed to him by far left blogs and doesn't take the time to do basic research. As I note, last week a HuffPost commenter openly declared he wanted to murder Dick Cheney, but he fails to mention it. Nor does he mention the more recent comments about Tony Snow.

in a perfect world Howard Kurtz would be asked to pick which he would prefer- the average pain wished upon Dick Cheney by Huffpo'ers or the average pain wished on Jimmy Carter by LGFers to be inflicted upon him with the sure knowledge it would happen. I bet his equivalence would dry up fast.

Charles,

I think this is another perfect example of the link from a couple of days ago with the Hollywood comedian speaking at the Heritage Foundation. He stated that if a liberal can find "anything" wrong with what is the right position, then the left can say; "See, they are just as bad or worse than the [insert name]" They hate anything that is good.

I really wish you could link it to the front page. It was one of the best video's I have seen.

Lefties can call for the assassination of the President, and no one says a word.

I'll take a double-standard with my double latte, please.

Kurtz.

Howard Kurtz is a hatchet man who works for Wa Po and CNN. This is just more confirmation. His dishonesty here is on a scale comparable to that of Cronkite ("We have lost the Tet Offensive" --false, and Rather (forged documents right before an election).

Gee, I thought we were just a bunch of nice people talkin about stuff and making bad jokes (Ed Mahmoud) and pontificating on everything from global warming to the morons on the left (oops there goes that hate speech again) and then BANG no less than the mighty Howard Kurtz disses us.

You know we jus don get no respect man! I for one am offended by his alleged offense and take it personally - for that I will not read his paper any more (no problem - never did anyway).

Not sure what kind of conclusion to draw from this:

Woman Has Crocodiles Strapped to Body

JERUSALEM (AP) - A woman with three crocodiles strapped to her waist was stopped at the Gaza-Egypt border crossing after guards noticed that she looked "strangely fat," officials said Monday.
The woman's shape raised suspicions at the Rafah terminal in southern Gaza, and a body search by a female border guard turned up the animals, each about 20 inches long, concealed underneath her loose robe, according to Maria Telleria, spokeswoman for the European observers who run the crossing.

"The woman looked strangely fat. Even though she was veiled and covered, even with so many clothes on there was something strange," Telleria said.

The incident, which took place on Thursday, sparked panic at the crossing.

"The policewoman screamed and ran out of the room, and then women began screaming and panicking when they heard," Telleria said. But when the hysteria died down, she said, "everybody was admiring a woman who is able to tie crocodiles to her body."

In her defense, the woman said she "was asked" to carry the crocodiles, said Wael Dahab, a spokesman for the Palestinian guards at the crossing.

Another use for a burkha at least, from the sound of it.

Let's stop attacking the left for a second. Just a second.

If we fix the problems (granted very few problems) with some vile posts on this site, then we don't even have to worry about finger pointing. All fingers will point in one direction - at the left.

Leave the childish hateful comments to the childish hateful side of the debate.

Yeah, but did you note his solution? People should be required to post using their real names.

I wonder if he even knows Malkin gets stalked.

I seem to have missed Kurtz's condemnation of that jackass WaPo blogger calling our troops mercenaries

howard, wanna see bile? Look from within

But each mention of LGF in other venues and outlets beyond the normal sphere of conservative or right leaning sources ensures more traffic. More traffic means some folks may actually read some of what is said and posted here and maybe, just maybe will become more informed or at least see the other side.
/and then again maybe not

#24 Kragar (proud to be kafir) 3
Probably intended to take the crocs to a Jewish nursery.

Here is the link I talked about above:

Evan Sayet at The Heritage Foundation

I find it curious that he's bitching about the comments and not the content of the blog itself. There are always creeps across the political spectrum who inject their pablum into discourse. Whether they're Mobying their way through the 'sphere or simply are outrageous wackaloons, they are not the representative posters here.

Of course, you could say that from the highest towers and it would fall on deaf ears. The problems at places like DKos and HuffPo are far more problematic because it isn't just the posters commenting, but the diarists/contributors who are making such outlandish statements.

Oh, and the WaPo has that same exact problem - note some of the terrorist apologia that has found its way into the op-ed/editorial pages, not to mention the comments area.

Then again, this is really a nonstory since this stuff has gone on as long as there was 'net threads. Kurtz further concedes that the technical capabilities to stamp out the outlandish statements is beyond that of the WaPo at present - and by extension would likely exceed that of LGF or HuffPo or other outlets - so it undermines his argument about the policing of statements here or elsewhere (and as Charles notes - the comments are those of the poster and do not reflect his own thinking on the subject).

Moral equivalence formula:

100 moral outrages from the Left = 1 moral outrage from the right.

Bill O'Reilly knows this formula pretty well:

Ann Coulter = Al Franken, Sean Penn, Michael Moore, Rosie O'Donald, dozens of bloggers, columnists etc.

And this is why it is USELESS to try and clean up your act in regards to these people. If all conservative blogs, reporters, columists, TV commnetators, satirists, never made a personal attack, never violated a P.C. edict, the Left will still paint you as a NAZI-loving fanatic racist. Once this is ever accepted by conservatives we can actually begin to fight and win against these people. It is why Bush always loses...he does not understand this prinicple, the more he tries to please his detractors...the more enraged, and abusive they become.

#32 Jehu

Have you seen the video I linked to at #30? Sayet actually makes the same point. I guess great minds think alike!

The simple fact is that Arianna Huffington deleted hundreds of those comments about Dick Cheney, and when another topic about Cheney was posted there, the exact same thing happened again. At LGF, there were very few such comments about Carter—and Kurtz doesn’t mention that other LGF readers also denounced them.

If Kurtz had mentioned those comments his argument goes out the window. Better to omit that information- it makes it easier to obfuscate the left's hypocrisy.

leftism 101:

"If the left produces 100,000, and the right produces only several, that makes them morally equivelant".

That is really how the left sees things.

Bobbo and others. Here is the video of which you speak.

EXCELLENT

#25

You could not be more wrong. They'll just make them up or falsely attribute, as happened to Charles yesterday using an AOL comment.

Charles,
He's fresh out of the bath of sweat soaked soiled and bloody underwear. Whadda ya expect?

There’s no comparison between the levels of profanity and hateful venom you’ll find at left-wing sites such as Huffington Post and the comments posted at Little Green Footballs.

Also, it's worth pointing out that the foul-mouthed hatred and conspiratorial lunacy at HuffPo can be found on almost every thread - especially those concerning Israel - and they are posted by the HuffPo regulars (people who post comments there every day).

The biggest thing about Kurtzs' analogy is that those type of comments can be found at any moment or time of day regardless of the topic over at HuffPo, not quite the same here.

#36 Pat

Thanks. I found it too and linked it at #32

Charles, you really should consider linking this permanantly on the front page.

SPC mentions chance of brief, weak high based tornadoes along I-5 and CA-99 North of Sacramento today, along with the chance of small hail.

Meanwhile, beneficial rains, (although small stream and flash flooding possible, with more significant river flooding in South Texas) on the way to DFW area.

Bobbo...thanks, I will take a look when I get time. Actually it just takes minimal perception to discern the motives and operating procedure of the Left. What is suprising is how many do not have that minimum perception and discernment.

I believe that Americans are not paying attention to much more than immediate life, kids, mortgages, work etc. They may not wake up until the Mosque goes up next door and their teenage daughters are harrased by the Islamic thugs hanging about.

#26 grayp:

Yeah, here's what he says:

What is spreading this Web pollution is the widespread practice of allowing posters to spew their venom anonymously. If people's full names were required -- even though some might resort to aliases -- it would go a long way toward cleaning up the neighborhood.

Police state, anyone?

If you can't verify that the name is real, then the stipulation of using real names only is useless.

If you insist on verifying the identity of everyone who comes to your site, you're entering China-like police-state territory.

WaPo, if you can't stand the heat, get out of the blogosphere.

Charles,

Just broke a promise to myself that I wouldn't tell (suggest) you what to do. At least since I haven't been posting that long.

And just for the trolls...

I love everyone.

Peace. Out.

MarkX

One other point I would like to make. Sites like HuffPo, DU and DailyKos are blocked when I am at work because of the filtering software we have which blocks them for profanity and violence. On the other hand LGF, Michelle Malkin, Hot Air, Powerline, etc I have no problem with.
Might be part of the liberals problem in getting their message out.

#43 jehu

I believe that Americans are not paying attention to much more than immediate life, kids, mortgages, work etc.

I agree.

I still call it taking hugely for granted, our freedoms.

"Don't know what you've got, till it's gone"

Cinderella

Remember, from the Lefty perspective, just being conservative is considered rude.

#43 Jehu

Completely agree with you. My time in politics showed me that is exactly one of the major reasons. Also the Sayet theorem is a major part, too.

It is a long video but one thing I did was watch it in parts. The argument put forth is so logical that you can watch it it parts and not miss the continuity. Rare. Very rare.

God bless everyone. I gotta get some work done.

#44 zombie

What is spreading this Web pollution is the widespread practice of allowing posters to spew their venom anonymously. If people's full names were required -- even though some might resort to aliases -- it would go a long way toward cleaning up the neighborhood.

He might want to ask the gun owners in VA what they think of such a thing. Somebody decided that since gun registrations are public records it would be a good idea to post them for everybody to see.

What is spreading this Web pollution is the widespread practice of allowing posters to spew their venom anonymously. If people's full names were required -- even though some might resort to aliases -- it would go a long way toward cleaning up the neighborhood.

If aliases were used it's no different than anonymity, so this just smacks of censorship. But then again, some leftists like the idea of censorship- so long as they're censoring dissent.

Carter does a lot of good with Habitat for Humanity,
But he didn't respond forcefully enough during the Iranian hostage crisis, IMHO.

Anyway, God loves everyone.

(sample LGF comment).

We stand against all commenters who make vile statements.

#47 Just_A_Grunt

profanity and violence

That is a perfect, boiled down description of the likes of,

HuffPo, DU and DailyKos.

Very good JAG!

Exactly what we've all come to expect.

If there were a true side-by-side comparison of vitriol (challenged) here vs HuffBlow's or Kos' normal spew, it would be very telling. But no one would print it except perhaps Ann Coulter.

/And who can believe her?!

I still think of Dick Durbin's calling the troops Nazis as the lowest point the conversation can go to. It was orders of magnitude beyond anything I or any other LGFer has said. He is a Senator, and he said it on the floor of the Senate.

His words carry more weight, and he bears a greater responsibility because of it.

#44, zombie

Anonymity, particularly in political speech, has a fine American tradition, dating back to Publius, The Federal Farmer and Poor Richard.

Typical liberal tactic. Divert to bury ones own issues. They have perfected hypocrisy.

#44 zombie
To paraphrase, When free speech is out lawed, only the (MSM) leftist will have free speech.

Ojoe

Well, actually Habitat for Humanity has been a big failure in some places, most notably Chicago.

Foreclosures, gutted homes, folks living like rats...

TEACH a man to fish... wise words.

But what happens when the talk turns ugly, racist and violent?

Glad to see they're still dragging out the venerable racism canard.

52 Sharmuta

Actually using your real name is superflous once you realize that God sees everything.

Big vileness means you don't think ANYONE can see you.

But someone always can.

OT:

Ward Churchill now claims to be black. LOL

Ward Churchill's claims of Indian ancestry were questioned in an extensive genealogy by the Rocky Mountain News in 2005, which identified 142 direct forebears of Churchill and found no evidence that any of them were American Indians. Now the controversial University of Colorado ethnic studies professor says he has black ancestry as well.

Churchill made that claim while answering questions at the Bay Area Anarchist Bookfair in San Francisco on March 17. In a video clip available at tinyurl.com/yvlr9b, Churchill criticized as racist the vote this month by the Cherokee Nation to oust freedmen - descendants of slaves once owned by Cherokees - from tribal rolls. After repeating the debunked claims of his Indian ancestry and membership in an established Indian tribe, Churchill said: "Actually, I do have black ancestry."

One HUGE item that's being overlooked: comments aside, on HuffPo and DKos the essayist's language is often offensive in and of itself! That's never seen at LGF.

63 Buzz

Well, that's a good suggestion for Mr. Carter.

NJD

Oh, thi is gonna just lill his Road Show companion, Billy Jack.

#64 Ojoe

Actually using your real name is superflous once you realize that God sees everything.

Big vileness means you don't think ANYONE can see you.

But someone always can.

Yes, and it's all written down in one of two types of books.

One is a Good thing, and the other is a really, really, infinitely, bad thing.

pimf, kill

66 slarty
Mandy makes sure of that!

/None of that here!

#63 buzzsawmonkey

I would be willing to bet that he could house more people with 1% of the Saudi contributions to the Carter Center than he has with all the hammer-swinging he has done for Habitat.

Oooooooo, nice one!

#51 Just-A-Grunt

From the dead thread, I posted this. I was one of those CHP holders that was outed by the Roanoke Times, name and ADDRESS. Have been receiving silent phone calls since.

Attn: Virginia CHP holders outed by the Roanoke Times 3-11-07

Tonight on CNN, Paula Zahn Hour, 8pm will have a story on the 136K plus Virginia CHP holders whose names and ADDRESSES were published and the aftermath.

To further underscore how lazy and disingenuous Kurtz is, later in that same column he goes on to use a HuffPost piece as a source, as if they're some legitimate news outlet and further on he mentions a recent blogpost by Patterico, but calls him Paterrico.

He'll probably blame some intern.

#65 NJDhockeyfan,

Well, the earliest humans did come from Africa.

Here's my vile attack:

Kurtz and Carter should be stuck in an elevator together.

Admittedly, much worse than anything posted to PuffHost about Cheney.

What I notice here on LFG is the self-policing. Commenters calling for mass murder are always put in their place, and despite some wisecracks about Carter, the prevailing sentiment was that you do not murder POTUS no matter how much is disliked.

lol, Ward Churchill.

As a relative newbie to LGF, I think we can do a lot better at self policing people who say things that are flat out stupid, like advocating harm to President Carter. Yes, he's a douchebag, but you can't cross that line.

Sorry about the bad frame or two in this otherwise beautiful water vapor loop of the lower 48 states.

Check out the intense upper low that could bring tornadoes to Alice, Los Fresnos and La Joya today, along with widespread flooding in the Hill Country, as it rotates out of Mexico, and check out the next disturbance moving into the Pac Northwest!

Note that while there are subtle differences in the next 3 days between the GFS, the NAM-WRF and the Canadian, they all really dig that trough coming onshore.

Slow moving storm, with widespread heavy rain and severe, starting in the Southern Plains Thursday, and slowly spreading East and Northeast into the weekend.

#29 pat

Probably intended to take the crocs to a Jewish nursery.

Do you remember the one Far Side cartoon where a pair of nurses are shooing away a crocodile from a nursery & the one nurse says "Danged if I know how he keeps getting in here, but we better start counting the babies" or something similiar.

OT (as if anyone can get more OT than ED)
Muslim Brotherhood and Mubarrack in a head to head. Islamists oiling the guns.
[Link: www.thepeninsulaqatar.com...]

57 Iron Fist

I still think of Dick Durbin's calling the troops Nazis as the lowest point the conversation can go to. It was orders of magnitude beyond anything I or any other LGFer has said. He is a Senator, and he said it on the floor of the Senate.

His words carry more weight, and he bears a greater responsibility because of it.

I agree with you, but dissent is the highest form of patriotism to the left, unless you're a right winger. Then your dissent is just hate speech. Asking for this comment to be deleted from the Senate record is censorship, you see. To the left Durbin is a patriot, and you are a hater. I believe it's called a "double standard" and they are blind to it.

Why argue against the message, when I can just denigrate the messenger.

/lefty out

A glass of wine by a conservative is the same as alcohol toxicity by a leftists!

I guess that was Kurtz trying to give "equal time" to the left and the right, giving examples from both sides. But I agree with you, even the examples he presents are no comparison in hatefulness. The comments from LGF are pretty tame. The good news is that the discerning reader can see that for themselves.

Sometimes, I guess, it's not quite so much the honor to be so popular, Charles.

#81 pat

re your link: At first I thought that read "the penis ulaquater." I don't even want to know what that is.

75 Ringo the Gringo

Well, the earliest humans did come from Africa.

Ward Churchill may well be the missing link! LOL!

#87 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey
Quatar is a small country where the men have.......nevermind.;)

One more thing: If Kurtz had a shred of decency and credibility, he'd have linked the threads in question. Of course, the HuffPosts have been sanitized and/or removed entirely.

The nasty comments are, most importantly, boring and useless. We would do well to discourage all such wasted bandwidth.

It is obvious to any reader that LGF's comments are written by a more mature, intelligent and thoughtful crowd. Over the long run people will be more likely to read this than junk.

#88 nosubmission

LOL! "Being a moonbat professor. So easy, even a caveman could do it."

#82 Sharmuta

I agree with you, but dissent is the highest form of patriotism to the left, unless you're a right winger.

To which I always reply, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel."

Are the comments at the HuffPo still screened?

If so, wouldn't that mean someone is reading comments, approving them, then posting them?

If some comments don't reflect the view of HuffPo, then how do these posts find their way onto the site?

Sorry if it's been asked already

#25 simonml

Others have already pointed out some complications with your idea, but I think the core point is this:

You are asking us to be perfect, while the left is given a pass.

Which is their standard, or double-standard as you will.

Which is, of course, impossible, especially since not only do they get a pass for mobying and falsely accusing, but they write most of the press coverage.

Think about it this way; how much negative press does Israel get? How much does North Korea get?

How much would that ratio really be affected if Israel was not only perfectly moral but made no errors in enacting their policies fairly and evenly?

You can't please someone whose core contention is that you shouldn't exist.

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised at Howard Kurtz’s lame attempt at moral equivalence though; it’s what mainstream media does, whether the topic is blogs or “terrorism” or the Arab-Israeli conflict.

It really shouldn't be surprising for the msm to engage in obfuscation and moral relevancy- in fact, it should be expected.

Red Meat: psyches terrorized... lonely... ignored... under-attended… DC-area appeaser sobs;

Lies and accusations
by Cyrus Hadadi

Repeat a lie often enough and, sooner or later, people will come to believe it. Saddam Hussein was responsible for 9/11 - when he wasn't busy building nuclear weapons. Iraq is the central front in the "War on Terror." Democrats are abetting terrorists.

These Bush administration lies, repeated daily for most of this past decade, have been wildly, enormously successful in terrorizing the American psyche. Earlier this month, most students on the campus ignored the lonely, under-attended protest marking the fourth year of the illegal war in Iraq...

The Diamondback invites your feedback here.

Now Pat, don't diss my man Ed Mahmoud. Where else could you talk about current events and stuff AND get weather updates? Not radio, tv or the press......only at LGF AND we have humor to boot. What is not to like?

#73, Timequake

What The Roanoke Times did was not unprecedented.

The Memphis Commercial Appeal did the same thing and published a huge data dump of all 1,600 concealed carry permittees names, occupations, business names, and make and model of handgun in the Sunday paper on October 2nd, 1994.

I emailed Michelle Malkin about this after reading her National Review column about the Roanoke Times.

#92 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

LOL! "Being a moonbat professor. So easy, even a caveman could do it."

Thank goodness my workmates are at lunch. I just spewed my drink all over my keyboard. Thanks for the laugh. :)

The WaPo doesn't need to look at blogs to find venom. Just drop by their "Letters to the Editor" office and read what their readers think. I'll bet the ratio is about
1000 Impeach Bush : 100 Bush is the Antichrist : 10 kill Bush : 1 right wing nut of any variety.

#73 TimeQuake

This isn't really a new tactic - it's been done before. I don't know how many times, but I've heard about it being done in Florida, Washington, and I know it was done here in Sacramento, CA, but only the records of a particular police chief who was unpopular with the press.

The left doesn't seem to be able to tell the difference between propaganda and news... which is one reason why they have such antipathy toward "conservative" news sources. It must be twisted, because it's what they do when they have control.

Charles,
Not a day passes in which I am not grateful for your forum. The causes you support, I support. Those with which you take umbrage affect me similarly. The vast majority of the commenters are insightful, articulate (kind of like O.) and witty. I read for years before finding an opening to register.
Thank you for providing a worthwhile forum with integrity.

P.S. Please get faster hamsters.

OT: I posted this yesterday, Brave Troops having fun, can't take them anywhere. LOL!

OK, have both sides remove all messages advocating physical harm.

Compare the remaining messages.

The vitriol, the schizophrenia, the unsupported (and implausible and impossible) "facts", and the sheer volume, are 100x greater on the left, if you even call such insanity "left".

But the oh so clever leftoids these days believe anything to their right is automatically "extreme", so they cannot recognize calm and thoughtful discussion when they see it, which they mainly try never to do, they enjoy and value blindness to alternative opinions.

#99,

One of the things that publishing the names of concealed-carry permittees does, aside from intimidating people from exercising their Second Amendment rights, is to theoretically remove one of the benefits of concealed carry laws for the general population, namely, the deterrence effect on criminals that arises from not knowing who has a concealed gun.

They're doing all they can to post a "Gun Free Zone" sign on everyone not on the list ...with predictable consequences.

#100 NJDhockeyfan

Anytime, even for a Devils' fan ;)

Here are some DU comments about Tony Snow:

2 words...
Lee Atwater

36. Best wishes for a speedy recovery
...so we can continue blasting him and not feel guilty for picking on a sick guy.

You are all way too nice. This guy is aiding and abetting
the destruction of our republic. I hope the anesthesia doesn't work. F*** him

Will they use Snow shovels to dig his grave? Will he melt in Hell?

Fuck him (no best wishes from me)

they should remove that ugly growth on his sholders too

To remove the malignant turd that operates as his frontal lobes?

Moral equivalence is the standard talking point of the hate America/hate Bush liberals

You cant expect a life long lefty like Kurtz to deviate from the script can you?

#109 TMF,

You mean like this POS a$$hole?

Hell, I'd be satisfied - and highly amused - if old Jimmuh got a bad case of larigitis/pharingitis.

As long as the smug asshole shuts his piehole, its good enough for me.

No. I dont want him dead - but I do value the life of my 18 year old cat more.

It's bizarre that Kurtz, one of the many Bush-enabling members of the beltway punditocracy, can be called part of the liberal media by people here. He coyly declines to state a political affiliation and would like to paint himself as some sort of centrist, but anyone who's been watching him carefully will know that he's soft as butter on the Bush administration. He snapped up Charles' original story and dedicated a breathless front pager to it, but after reluctantly admitting that there's angry sentiment to be found on both ends of the spectrum, he's castigated as Another One of Them. Can't you guys show any appreciation? Just like you have limitless reserves of bile for the NYT, but never spend a moment's thought on how they allowed Judith Miller to act as a mouthpiece for the administration and Chalabi in the run-up to the war.

If the media really were as biased as people here claim, Bush wouldn't have been elected to a second term. People like Kurtz who, under the guise of objectivity, muddle the issue until everything is gray, are the ones to blame.

Hey! King Hard-on is back! Give me four minutes to microwave some popcorn before y'all start flamin'.

#112 Priapus,

GFY! I mean that sincerely too, apologist!

99 & 106 Dar ul Har

This was my rant the other day here. Were you the one who brought it to my attention?

OT Sunshine Laws, Commonwealth of Virginia...
I did not give it much thought (I am a Virginia chp holder) when I first saw a LGFer’s link on 3-13-07, (even the NRA didn’t say anything about this until after the LGF link, btw, thank you whoever you are. LGF and commenters always at the forefront of the news) So I went over to the Roanoke Times site and after reading all the comments there on that article, I realized that I might have a problem. Criminals now had an address to look for guns, breaking in to get guns, finding license plate numbers and breaking into cars to get guns, etc. I realize this is public information but criminals want to make their living the easy way and I don’t think they make it a habit of going to the courthouse, paying a small fee and requesting the information. This whacko gave it to them in full for the whole state, name and addresses of 137K plus Virginia chp holders. My point is this, I now have been receiving “silent” phone calls every evening and twice have gotten phone calls from who knows (I can't quite make out the name and no last name) and then a recording comes on saying this is from Prince Georges’s County detention facility. OMG!
[Link: [Link: www.roanoke.com...]...] Original editorial by Christian Trejbal 3-11-07
[Link: [Link: www.roanoke.com...]...] This is the excuse for taking down the site but threatening to repost a sanitized version. Since I don’t fall into any of the “delete” categories, my name and address may be printed again.
[Link: [Link: www.roanoke.com...]...] 3-25-07 Roanoke Times reply. I read over 300 comments to the paper and not one had any threat of violence although some people gave the name and address of Christian Trejbal and the editor of the paper.
[Link: [Link: www.vcdl.org...]...] (about the middle of the page, "The Latest News from VA-Alert", gives the details of the events) This organization will be interviewed on CNN (I know, CNN) tomorrow night, 3-26-07, on the Paula Zahn Hour at 8pm, about the fallout this may have caused law-abiding chp holders in the Commonwealth of Virginia. There is already talk (I wrote my congressman) about introducing legislation to keep this particular kind of information AWAY from the public.

Sorry, had to vent.

Maybe these guys can help pull the wild hair Kurtz appears to have stuck up his ass.

Help me out here boys.

#116 saltmarsh,

That's "foot tappin'" music down here in Texas. ;-)!

Hola!, Nam Grunt!

Hola back atcha' Ed, hows the babies?

Anyone want to bet that Kurtz never even came to this site ?

I think he was on Huff and Puff and saw all the carnage over there and the debate about it. And some of the nutcases over there were using quotes from this site to justify their poison.

Kurtz probably only saw their silly rants and never came here to check the truth of it out.

What a joke.

You know, I despise people like Kerry, Pelosi, Reid, Ms. Clinton, etc. Yet, somehow, I've managed to express my dislike without ever fantasizing about assassinating them. And for that matter, I can't recall any of my fellow conservatives ever doing that (although I'm sure it happens occasionally).

However, you see that ALL THE TIME at liberal sites.

All good, and another bun is in the oven.

Dang Ed, you trying to start a football team? LOL!

#112, Platypus

Yeah, ol' Howie Kurtz ...agent of ZOG!

#122, Ed

Congrats on increasing your carbon footprint!

Kurtz, you're a moron.

/at least i didn't use any profanity

..."The policewoman screamed and ran out of the room, and then women began screaming and panicking when they heard," Telleria said. ...."

OK, so because this woman had 3 crocs tied to her, which were probably taped or tied at the mouth, rendering them pretty harmless at that size (if not, that's another story, and pretty stupid), the POLICEWOMAN screamed?

Um...I'd say they need to rexamin hiring practices if that is all it takes to set off a woman on their force. And who were all these other women who started in? Not more lady cops, I hope!

Hell, I had a pet caimen (like a gator) from age 8 (at the time it was legal). Nothing to scream about. Geesh!

#13 mjazzguitar

sorry - OT right off the bat - only because I have to go to work soon. Palestinians uproot 4000 trees planted by Israeli children. Besides stealing cars, sheep, beehives, whatever they can get their hands on, from their Jewish neighbors, the palestinians will uproot Jewish fruit trees and plant olive trees there. The Jews hesitate to cut them down, the army declares it a military zone, and the arabs steal Jewish land.

Thievin' bastards.

/how's that kurtz?

#122 Ed...

Congratulations, Ed. You're helping to offset the numbers of little jihadis being spawned by the RoPers.

I just wandered over to Huffpo and read some of the comments on Sean Penn's "letter to the president".

Their vile descriptions of all "rethuglicans" are just that, vile.

I think that this blog is far from hate and vitirol. Just the opposite.

Remember what happened to Ann Coulter when she said something silly about John Edwards and all the Kos kids were so proud of themselves for getting her sponsers on her website to cancel their ads? What a fine moment for free speech. (oh, that was just for the left free speech brigade?)

Well the lefty vile comment makers don't get the lesson of community; so I will quote a line from the Spoon River Anthology for them:

Both you know
And I know
There never was any reason
For hurtin'
When our lives were together
From the beginning
In Spoon River

(I might not have remembered it exactly)

#131 hippieforlife

Oh, if I only had a nickel for every person on the internet who seemingly has no clue what "free speech" means. It doesn't mean that anything you say is free from consequence, but in Colter's case that's been the reality for far too long. The fact that you yearn for the "freedom" to call people faggots speaks loads about your character. Hippie? Please.

#133 Priapus,

Your nic sort of describes who you are, FO LOL!

#95 Merovign:

You are asking us to be perfect, while the left is given a pass.

No.
What he is asking, and I agree with, is that we should try harder to a) set a good example for the rest of the blogosphere and b) try to avoid doing anything that would cause us to lose the moral high ground.

Nobody is perfect, but we should always strive to do a better job.

If I see a thousand Lefties shouting a million obscenities and death threats, that does NOT give me the right to shout a few of my own on the grounds that "They're still doing it more than I am."

There's no such moral calculus here.

#136 Persistor

What he is asking, and I agree with, is that we should try harder to a) set a good example for the rest of the blogosphere and b) try to avoid doing anything that would cause us to lose the moral high ground.

1) "Moral high ground" is one of those "key phrases." If you really think a few yahoos can lose one side its "moral high ground," then you have already bought into the leftist trap that the right is "expected" to be morally unblemished, and imperfection is proof of failure, whereas the left is "expected" to be morally blemished, and thus imperfection is proof of "tolerance."

In other words, you have preemptively surrendered your "moral high ground."

2) How hard do you have to try to "set a good example" when your opposition plants fake "bad examples" in your midst and just plain lies about you?

My whole point is that if perfection is your goal, you have already lost. You do the best you can, for yourself, and to set an example for others. The "can do better" trap is ever-present, because you can always do better.

And the point of this discussion is that the MSM in general and Mr. Kurtz in particular are equivocating between unequal things, consistently in the same ideological direction. No amount of comment grooming will solve that problem, because the problem predates the comments.

If I see a thousand Lefties shouting a million obscenities and death threats, that does NOT give me the right to shout a few of my own on the grounds that "They're still doing it more than I am."

So we have to be perfect in order to not be equivalent to the screaming blood-frenzied mob? If not, please try to articulate a little better your point, because it seems to me that you're demanding perfection, which you ain't gonna get anywhere on this planet.

Does kind of explain why some people are never happy, though.

I am not a wackjob. Just ask my elderly priest.

#133
I believe you may have missed my point. What I was saying was that the left wants to say anything they want, no consequences.

They only want consequences for those on the right.

And I certainly did not say I wanted the freedom to call people "faggots". What made you think that? It was a silly comment by Ann but not exactly so vicious that she should be banned from society.

What's up with hippie? ?

Kurtz simply used that as an excuse to bad-mouth LGF. He had nothing else lined up to discuss, apart from usual DNC talking points and the general Left mission to cook up stories that make anyone non-Left look bad. In typical Left modus operandi, he needed to redirect attention away from the nasty Left vulgarblogs, 'cause the truth was, too many of the greater public were getting an eyeful of the ugliness of the unvarnished Left. So, on the pretense of bemoaning the crassness, Kurtz pretends evenhandedness - as if the same levels of potty-mouth are on both sides (shall we refer to the recent survey on poo-poo words per blog - Lefties hands down winners - or just rerun some of Amanda Marcotte's lurid prose - and she a blogger, not a drive-by or regular poster) - by using the Left's phony premise: what can one possibly deduce from this unknowable circumstance, completely disconnected in time from history, current events, etc etc? It's pure dishonesty, and starts with one apparent debate point, but really is about another - the bulk of the complaint is aimed at LGF and such blogs, but the bulk of the crud lies over at the Left blogs. On a positive note, they never do this unless they have to. Guess they needed spin, someone, probably one of their pollsters, discovered damage of the political kind out there.

Mr Johnson
I have visited all the sites you mentioned I was raised in east Tennessee where my parents taught me some basic common decency and not to use off color language in mixed company. Now I served many years in the military where I thought I had heard it all but the foul language I heard in war and peace was mild compared to the vile and degrading comment I have seen on the leftwing websites. It was not simple foul language but vile abject evil wishing the death of another American and for them to suffer I assure you your site is very clean compared to Huffington and DU as well as KOS. Those are some nasty folks. I Just got signed up a couple weeks ago and I appreciate your site very much.

I find it interesting that "progressives" seem incapable of expressing themselves without;

1. Hurling insults

2. Calling non-progressives the "N" word (no, not that one, the one that formerly applied to a certain "progressive" political party in Germany prior to 1945)

3. Engaging in ad hominem attacks of "You disagree with me, therefore you are evil" variety

4. (Please excuse this breach of "Netiquette")
TYPING EVERYTHING IN CAPITALS TO INDICATE YELLING

5. Repeatedly bringing up irrelevant or already-disproven "talking points"

6. And of course, accusing anyone who disses them of being in the pay of the RNC, Karl Rove, Big Oil, the International Zionist Conspiracy, and/or the Rosicrucians (AMORC) and the Illuminati.

Oh, I almost forgot;

They also cannot do any of this without using all of George Carlin's list of "Seven Words You Can't Say On Television". Which I notice that our gracious host, Mr. Charles Johnson, does not filter. But which most Lizardoids rarely use, anyway, considering regular "grammar-school" English to be quite sufficient for all purposes, including approbation and invective.

What I find amusing is that when some of them come here, or to Townhall.com, and begin to act in the manner they have apparently been accustomed to at HuffPo or DU or DK, they are amazed at how quickly they (and their posts) are deleted. (Some friendly advice to any such reading this; don't even bother trying to spew such stereotypical bile on StrategyPage.com. The Sysop Collective will delete thee faster than a Borg Cube can assimilate a shuttlecraft.)

What I like about LGF is that here we can debate, talk, kid around, and even disagree with each other, without calling for anyone's heads. (Well, except maybe UBL's.)

This is why I feel honored to be allowed to be amongst the adults. I'm not sure Howard Kurtz qualifies as such, except in the calendrical sense.

But, just to give him something to chew on;

Thirty-one years ago, when he was running for President, I carefully looked James Earl Carter Jr. over- and concluded he was a dork.

Reality check; Yes, he's still a dork. An anti-Semitic dork.

If I'd known then what I know now-

I'd still have voted for Gerald Ford! :-)

Well, have to run. Movie Night.

Tonight's "feature"; The Legend of Bigfoot
(1976). I can't help it- I just have to see if it really is as pathetically awful as it is supposed to be.

Good-night, all.

cheers

eon

Kurtz also misses the fact that when nasty things are said by the Right, they are typically aimed not at other Americans, but at people like Al Qaeda members, Amidinijad, etc.

#141 Jack hamilton

Welcome to the Lizard Horde - if you read this you'll probably figure out that things move pretty fast around here, and threads drop off people's radar pretty quickly. :)