We're not doomed, Charles.

He is Risen, just as He said.

Are they considering merging?

Nothing that the Democrats do surprises me anymore.

Sheesh!

"...we may be doomed."

"Fear not.", says the All Supreme Master Lizard of them all. :)

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

Doomed, you say?

Shadow Government. Disgraceful.

#1 Ma Winger:
INDEED!

I agree with #3, nothing surprises me anymore

What, the devil was too busy so he had to settle for el-Katatni?

The Democrats really don't get it.

I thought, surely, they comprehend the evil that we face as a nation, that they just operate however they will, purely for political gains of power, but it is clear that the Democrats really don't get it.

The Democrats may be negotiating the death of America!

While the Brotherhood is fundamentalist, it at least is in opposition to that almost-octogenarian dictator Mubarak, who is now greasing the skids so his son may succeed him as "president." Sheeeit, this cat's been "president" for what, a quarter-century?

How much money does our government give these guys per year?

As stated before, only Osama has not been consulted with yet.

Inverted universe here.

#1 mama winger 4/07/2007 6:35:08 pm PDT

We're not doomed, Charles.

He is Risen, just as He said.

Personally, I'm not into the "End of Days" bit. The decline of our civilization has no silver lining for me.

Time was, we presented on face to the rest of the world. Now we have American foreign policy and Democrat foreign policy. The intrusion of the legislative branch into the Executive is a clear violation of the separation of powers and should be prosecuted under the Logan Act.

“It’s our diplomatic practice around the world to meet with parliamentarians, be they members of political parties or independents,”

Independents?

this get sadder by the day.

NO sweat Charles, Things HAVE to get worse before they get better. We are like the guy with an arrow in his chest. ONly way to fix it is to push it all the way through and do a little more damage. Until America starts looking like "a victim" again (like on 9-11) we will continue this parade.
The world Loves a victim.

And God knows what was discussed. Used to hope it was our intelligence services that would be in "the know," but alas, they've seem to have wandered off and created a new mandate for themselves that doesn't seem to include information that would be used by people who respect their oaths of office to protect the United States of America.

*wildly waving arms around and wide eyed*

Danger! Danger Will Robinson!

We're not doomed. This is a re-run. Things might have to get worse before they get better. People are confused. The Evil will clarify things.There will be a lot of suffering.

Ah. What do I know?

Anyway this is touching:

Marine's Mom Views Son's Last Hours in HBO's 'Baghdad ER'

#12 St Pancake

As stated before, only Osama has not been consulted with yet.

Inverted universe here.

The Democrats and the most brutal Islamofascist terrorists in the entire world, share the identical talking points.

You'd think that would wake the great majority of Americans up.

Can we question their patriotism now?

#11 poorman
While the Brotherhood is fundamentalist, it at least is in opposition to that almost-octogenarian dictator Mubarak

,
There's nothing to find that is reassuring on any level in that statement.

Recall Ambassador John Berry for instructions. Seems like the dipshit is in need of a clue.

We're doomed (in a sense) if President Bush doesn't start invoking the Logan Act and prosecuting these traitorous idiots.

This shit should NOT be going on. At all! It's against the law, and the law was written, and affirmed twice by the Supreme Court, for a very good reason. We only have ONE Federal Government here.

This bullshit will not stand, man. ...Unless our president allows it to stand.

And BTW, if anyone posts here that it's naive to expect the Logan Act to be enforced, I refuse to accept that -- just as I would refuse to accept that it's hopeless to expect other criminal laws to be enforced.

We must INSIST that they be enforced.

If some Republican doesn't step up to the plate and show some cahoonahs in the next election, they can kiss my vote good-bye. Might as well give my vote, by default, to the dems -- because Bush is already doing that!

I'm fed up with this shit.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

I rarely say this, but I feel like the real fight has yet begun.

#13 Globular

Personally, I'm not into the "End of Days" bit.

I understand your point, although I didn't have that perspective in mind when I made my statement.

I'm just so happy it is Easter, and I don't live my life in vain. That's kind of where I'm going with that. :)

We get the representation we ask for. How these clueless idiots get elected is beyond me. All this does is embolden the islamists. They see the west coming to meet their leaders and give them a big PR coup. Great! What tools!

#22 wanumba 4/07/2007 6:46:19 pm PDT

#11 poorman
While the Brotherhood is fundamentalist, it at least is in opposition to that almost-octogenarian dictator Mubarak

,
There's nothing to find that is reassuring on any level in that statement.

Yeah, I was wondering whether I was supposed to derive comfort from that fact.

Jon Alterman, a Mideast specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said Bush administration officials may have avoided meeting Muslim Brotherhood members because it could strain relations with the secular Egyptian government, one of the closest U.S. allies in the Arab world.

"The difficulty when it gets to Egypt is that the Brotherhood is not a legal group within Egypt and the U.S. government is wary of violating laws in countries in which it operates," he told The Associated Press on Saturday.

Apparently, the Dems aren't as wary.

"our allies in the anti-imperialist Left"Guess we can start listing by name the allies of the American Muhajedin that SF Indymedia had alluded to.

#16 el matamoros

Until America starts looking like "a victim" again (like on 9-11) we will continue this parade.
The world Loves a victim.

I don't believe that America will ever again wake up.

If there is a serious terrorist attack, or attacks here, the Democrats will impose Martial Law, and abolish the Constitution.

Then they'd have their complete control.

Let's get a list together of all the Dhimmicrats' middle names.

Hmmm...

Nancy "Peace in Out Time" Pelosi. Or is it Nancy Chamberlain Pelosi. (A slur on Neville, as at least he was for rearmament when he saw through Herr Hitler.)

Steny "Mr. Logan Act" Hoyer. Or perhaps, Stney "Traitor"...

I'm too disgusted to even think about Obama and Ellison. I mean, which will be (not is, as they'll cover their tracks) their committment in the future, especially if the Dhimmis get control of the country.

#11, poorman. Seems you could use a couple of clues also.

'Hoyer's meeting came just a day after Democratic Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi drew sharp criticism from the Bush administration for meeting with Syrian President Bashar Assad in Damascus.'

. Those Democrats are looking more and more like great big old seed pods. Somebody ought to call the police.

'Bennel, Matthew: [dials his phone] I'll get the police.
Telephone Operator: Operator.
Bennel, Matthew: Operator, get me the police.
Telephone Operator: Wait right there Mr. Bennel.
Bennel, Matthew: How do you know my name?
Jack Bellicec: [Jack's eyes widen with fear] Hang up, Matthew.
Bennel, Matthew: [into the phone] I didn't tell you my name.
Jack Bellicec: Hang up!
Bennel, Matthew: [hangs up the phone] I didn't tell them my name!
Nancy Bellicec: That's because they're all part of it. They're all pods, all of them!'

// Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)

We are doomed I fear, unfortunately.
We may need an orderly exit from this morass.
This is a Physics problem ,where it appears we cannot exert an equal an opposite force to this unparalleled lunacy.
Perhaps I and others are wrong, perhaps soldiers of the good will arise and fight the good fight... perhaps ,,,perhaps

11 poorman

I'd rather deal with Mubarak than the M.B. any day of the week. Mubarak just wants to maintain secular power. The M.B. wants to conquer the earth.

I'm being optimistic. Not only the Democrats aren't holding the real power in Congress (if they did, they'd be able to override a veto), but also those recent actions by Democratic leaders are showing the American people what would happen if they really did hold this power. It's like the Repubicans don't even need to create any negative campaign ads for '08, the Democrats are doing all the work for them.

Plus, this is drawing Joe Lieberman closer and closer to joining the GOP. When he does, the Senate is ours again.

Here, a feew threads ago, we were pretty much slamming the British in their handling of the incident with their sailors and marines, and now here we are, watching our Democratic "leadership" breaking bread with an sworn enemy (Muslim Brotherhood) of an allied nation (Egypt...well, they get a buttload of our money, anyway!). The Democrats never progressed mentally and psychologically beyond first grade, when we were all expected to "share" things. They want to "share" intelligence, nuclear technology, and other information because they have that ridiculous "guilt" over our nation being the lone superpower and, well, that just isn't fair, now, is it? They can stuff "fairness" up their asses! Victory is the only thing the enemy understands! But the Dems want the victory to belong to the friggin' Islamists! WTF, over?

#1 Mama Winger
He is Risen, indeed!
Amen, sister

#1 Mama Winger

He is still in control! Amen

#24 rtheyserius

Man you nailed it right on the head. I work everyday in the Pentagon with people who don't even think we are at war! Now the Legislative branch is doing executive work and we don't even know how it will effect the overall plan because we don't know what was said.

Amazing!

Rush is 100% right! The Dhimmicrats are the party that owns defeat.

You didnt get to the analysis of said article.

Here is some interesting things

Steny Hoyer is the #2 of the democratic party in the house. He is just one step below Pelosi.

And love this analogy as to why this is happening. From same article

"Jon Alterman, a Mideast specialist at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington, said Bush administration officials may have avoided meeting Muslim Brotherhood members because it could strain relations with the secular Egyptian government, one of the closest U.S. allies in the Arab world.

"There's been a growing sense in Washington over 20 years that Islamic politics are here to stay, and the U.S. interest in promoting democracy around the world means we should be engaging with a growing number of actors," Alterman said.

#29 solomonpanting

Apparently, the Dems aren't as wary.

Oh they're aware, they simply do not care.

I've had enough Democrat party foreign policy for one lifetime.

#40 bsm engineer
I work everyday in the Pentagon with people who don't even think we are at war!

That's about the scariest thing I've ever read.

If the Democrats were around in the Roman Empire, they would be the people the barbarians would bribe to open the gates.

44 rickl -- Same here. I work on a military installation and wonder every day if people there realize or think we really are at war.

What the hell is going on down there? I live in Canada and can't even believe the Democrats are trying to run a shadow government. Is this almost a pitchfork moment?

Mama Winger,

For an example of America's confusion, I can only show you this:

See anything wrong with this picture

And we wonder why we can't figure out why we struggle and have no leadership? And what would the God of Israel and of all mankind think of that sign?

My dad's a pretty wise ol' cuss and his take on all this contact between Pelosi, et al., is that they're handing the next elections to the G.O.P..

#42 Bill Amos

"There's been a growing sense in Washington over 20 years that Islamic politics are here to stay, and the U.S. interest in promoting democracy around the world means we should be engaging with a growing number of actors," Alterman said.

Not the "actors" who want to destroy America, or want to see America destroyed, or who are contributing monies to the elements who want to destroy America!

That's like inviting the "Trojan Horse" into this country.

Next the Democrats will want to bring Bin Laden into Washington, to "engage" him and his band of butchers.

This is getting more and more insane by the day!

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

Doomed are we?

If that's the case, I'll have a hot pastrami sandwich on a club roll, a side order of potato salad, and a Dr. Brown's cream soda.

After I finish that, I'm gonna go out and kill them all.

Doomed. Feh.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

I'm not so sure. I think we will have our answer after the next election. That will be the clarifying moment.

Anybody still having a hard time seeing a difference between Republicans and Dhimmicrats?

#48 goodbye natalie

For an example of America's confusion, I can only show you this:

His god is way too little.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

Wait until after the election of 2008. Your opinion will solidify Charles.

The last gasp before the plunge. The world will face trying times.

so in the past week, Dhimmocrats have met with

1) Syria
2) Saudi
3) Muslim Brotherhood
4) North Korea

way to use the holiday productively, guys. brunch with Osama?

rofl at the Body Snatchers refs

Oh Hell, I've thought we were doomed since I first began to learn about the RoP, for the simple reason that only those who have a voice get their arguments heard. And I mean a voice that almost everyone hears, say, like Communist News Network, or the rest of the MSM "news" services. Even Fox gets its material only after it has been filtered by AP (or, what's the raw news derivative, er senior moment, was it AFP?) or Al Reuters. A tiny fraction of the populace isn't too lazy to educate themselves, or to find news sources like LGF. Even Rush doesn't spend any time on the [bigoted word]s, when he could turn at least 20M "skulls full o' mush" into active learners on the subject. Hell, I think Glen Beck has said more truths about RoP than Rush, and Beck is on Commie News Network!

I fully believe that, unless many more people, especially those with a voice, get involved in spreading the truth, in cutting through the taqiyyah (sp?), nothing will stop the spread of this toxic, murderous meme. The best we can hope for then is to go down fighting, because life as kufar in a [bigoted word] world won't be worth living.

When I first started reading this post I figured it had to be Baghdad Jim McDermott that had meet with the Muslim Brotherhood. It just sounded like his style.

I also think it is time to recall a certain ambassador (of course that would lead to even more pointless investigations).

#53 Ak oilfield worker

Anybody still having a hard time seeing a difference between Republicans and Dhimmicrats?

Ask someone why he/she is a Dem and often times the response is "The Democrats are for the little guy."
An alliance of Dems with Islamicists is a good fit. In Islamic societies everyone is a little guy.

Not only are we going to Syria, Tom Harkin, we're going to Egypt and Iran and Somalia and Sudan and Yemen, and we're going to Russia and China and North Korea, and we're going to Saudi Arabia and Jordan and Libya and France, and then we're going to Washington, D.C. to surrender the White House! Yearrrghhh!
Peace in our time
One piece at a time

"There's been a growing sense in Washington over 20 years that Islamic politics are here to stay, and the U.S. interest in promoting democracy around the world means we should be engaging with a growing number of actors," Alterman said.

"The Republicans and their neo-conservative friends say some of these snakes are SO DANGEROUS that we can't meet with them to determine policy or negotiate a win/win outcome or two, but since I am NOT a Christian or crippled by any form of 'religious' faith I can handle these snakes without fear!

I met twice today with the Muslim Brotherhood, and-

What?

I've ALREADY BEEN BITTEN? Oh, God! No! I mean, those marks are, uhm, well they're NOT viper-bites..."

To show you how CLOSE this is to treason we only need look at one of the Muslim brotherhoods most infamous members

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Ayman al-Zawahiri was born to a prominent middle class family in Maadi, Egypt, a suburb of Cairo, and was reportedly a studious youth.

He grew more religious than his relatively secular family, and by fourteen joined an Islamist group called the Muslim Brotherhood (al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin), and had become a student and follower of Sayyid Qutb.[3]

This should certainly wake people up, to the thought that Hillary Clinton may be our next President.

She hasn't done a positive thing as a Senator, and she failed completely as co-President to her husband, poor Algore.

Or Barack Hussein Obama.

I wonder what he'd appoint Keith Ellison to?

One thing for sure, it'll be interesting.

doomed? probably not, unless all that there is to this life is the here and now.
Our country on the other hand..., people need to wake up and smell the crap flowing out of washington these days and get involved in the process. we are, as a nation, way too satisified with the mess we are in (status quo) and I'm not sure we can rise up and defend liberty with the price she demands.

The problem is, the spoiled, selfish brats of the lay down and stink up the university president's office are now "the establishment." A bunch of people, many of whom curiously have spent their entire lives in "law" without any concept of "obeying" the law. David Horowitz called them, "The Destructive Generation," and boy, did he pick the right appellation.

59 snakespit
Er... where do you live?

#59 snakespit

The Catholic church in my town burned this morning under strange circumstances. Everyone is waiting to find out the cause. I suspect Islamists. We'll see.

Islamists, leftist, what's the difference?

They all hate Christians.

#59 where was the church burned?

Leftists have a thing for getting cozy with the enemy. All of this is going to come back and bite them in the ass come election time.

U.S. Embassy spokesman John Berry would only confirm that Hoyer, who represents Maryland, met with el-Katatni at U.S. Ambassador Francis Ricciardone’s home at a reception with other politicians and parliament members.

Compare this Ambassador, who allowed Muslim Brotherhood leaders into his home, with previous U.S. Ambassador to Egypt David Welch. Here's him responding to journos about Saddam's supposed humiliation from our video'ing his medical tests:

Khalil: Then why were the Americans up in arms when the Iraqis showed US POWs on TV? You said POWs should not be treated this way. Why are you doing that now -- isn’t he a POW?

Welch: Yes, there is a difference. Look at Saddam Hussein. I cannot believe you guys are defending this guy.

Shukrallah: We don’t accept it, and if you’ve been reading the Weekly carefully, you’d have found out that we never found it justifiable that someone who is arrested for the most heinous terrorist acts in this country should be mistreated or tortured. And if you’ve read the Weekly you would have seen how much the Weekly has exposed and given coverage to a whole range of mistreatment and abuse.

Human rights conventions are very clear on this. The criminality of a criminal does not justify his abuse and mistreatment by a state, or this would mean that we would say goodbye to all human rights and all due process of law. Americans should hear themselves talking -- you are flaunting the very principles on which the American Revolution was based.

Welch: There is a basic difference in the facts. Implicitly, your position is that we are abusing this person, and I say we are not. So we have a difference of views. You interpret videoing while he’s getting his teeth checked as abuse, and I don’t.

Nyier Abdou: Whether or not you want to call it abuse, there certainly is a distinction between showing somebody in this manner and showing them in a more dignified way. I think what makes people angry is that the US fails to see how this kind of imagery will inflame people, and that they do it anyway, and that’s what really makes people angry. It is a misunderstanding of what is going to convince people.

Welch: I think your moral compass has gone crazy. I think you should be looking at the Iraqi people and their reaction to this. Your reaction puzzles me to be honest. Can we move on because this is boring...

Has there been another time in history when a significant portion of government has operated in such a conspicuously subversive manner and gone unchallenged?

It's bad enough we've been declared open enemies by Islamic regimes worldwide, but I'm concerned how effectively we'll be able to deal with that threat, unless we first neutralize the enablers here at home.

#51 M. Bensson-Levi 4/07/2007 7:00:06 pm PDT

I'm eating Hummus and Pita at my reloading bench as I post.

News is that its New Castle Indianna where the church burned

I take it back was another church in Macon Georgia that burned also

As much as I hate to write this, I am beginning to agree more and more with Charles.

It seems to me that all people (with the exception of those of us who actually pay attention to events) are too busy debating about that Sonji (sp?) guy on American Idol or watching Oprah or The View to really give a damn about what is actually happening.

The ironic thing is that they will be the first to bitch and moan about having to submit to Sharia law.

Fire destroys New Castle church

The fire is believed to have started in the basement of the church, New Castle fire authorities said.

I've said it before, I'll say it again. Here's how to translate English into Democratspeak:

Terrorism = Opportunity to increase Democrat managed cash flow from American taxpayer to domestic and foreign anti-American groups under the guise of buying peace. Just watch, all these "negotiations" with Muslim groups turn to the question of "How much should we pay you?" eventually.

Islam = A peaceful and benign religion that only turns deadly when activated by Americans voting for Republicans.

America = The repository of all the world's evil.

Judaism / Christianity = Evil religions that must be banned.

Communism = A great idea that suffered a little "glich" with all the tens of millions of people murdered in it's name. Still something we should try here.

60 solomonpanting

An alliance of Dems with Islamicists is a good fit. In Islamic societies everyone is a little guy.

Agreed, but I hate to talk about their manhood, you never know what barnyard animal that little thing has been in.

#73 brickthruplateglasswindow

Has there been another time in history when a significant portion of government has operated in such a conspicuously subversive manner and gone unchallenged?

It's bad enough we've been declared open enemies by Islamic regimes worldwide, but I'm concerned how effectively we'll be able to deal with that threat, unless we first neutralize the enablers here at home.

It's like there is a great deception making it unable to challenge what is going on.

We just watch, read, listen and go, "unreal".

I won't be deceived.

Untangling this, then, we have:

Muslim Brotherhood = killers of Anwar Sadat = Arab leader who made peace with Israel = too radical even for Mubarak.

Our new friends.

Anyone else unable to digg this?

What don't the (R) run with this stuff? Let the American people know just what the (d) is up to.

republic

The Democrats may be negotiating the death of America!

It's what they've been working on since the 60's. There's just something about that generation -- certainly not all baby boomers are alike, but it seems there are enough to make a difference.

I'd like to think that future generations will do better for America, but the influences of the baby boomers will last for decades, unfortunately.

I probably wouldn't be so pessimistic about them if my own mother wasn't such a ditzy moonbat. Argh!

From the AP article:

“ Visiting House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met with the head of the Muslim Brotherhood's parliamentary bloc . . . ”

So does this constitute a violation of the Logan Act?

I can’t tell whether :
a) the Leftists, in their belief that they have a mandate from the 2006 elections, are simply attempting to usurp the powers of the Presidency (and probably self-destructing, if the publicity can be maintained and used next year),
or
b) they have been asked to do things that the Administration is unable to do.

If the former, then Republicans and Democrats need to remember these events, and USE them in ads, speeches and debates during the next election.

Some Leftists, like Rep, Pelosi, are probably guaranteed re-election to Congress, but this doesn’t mean that they have to be given powerful positions within Congress.

If the latter, then something is wrong with our government, or, at least, the people we elected.

This is a big deal. We've got to push back against this because it looks like the first step toward the possibility that the Dems will be literally allying themselves with the jihad.

#68, #69, #70
I'll go so far as to say Central Indiana.

#83 wildcatfan 4/07/2007 7:27:00 pm PDT

"Anyone else unable to digg this?

What don't the (R) run with this stuff? Let the American people know just what the (d) is up to."

they can hardley get a response put together before these idiots do something else i bet

"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood

Eactly what kind of a conversation can Steny Hoyer have with people like that? Ask them about fund raising tips?

Another story to file under "...we may be doomed..."

From [Link: www.hotair.com...]

This was too good not to post the whole video. Alan Colmes and Jane Fleming found every which way to defend the Iranians’ capture of fifteen British sailors. Fleming said “violence was not the answer.” That comment was almost as bad as the guy who joined the Marines but objected to killing.

Fleming was all about giving the “benefit of the doubt” to the Iranians but wouldn’t even give it to her own country. The Democratic strategist blasted the Bush administration for speaking out against the torture of these soldiers, when our soldiers have tortured prisoners. Not the same thing, unless you’re suggesting Bush and Rummy sanctioned torture. Are you suggesting that Jane?Never mind that Iran and the UK aren’t even technically at war.

Iranian apologist Alan Colmes said this was “possibly” a response to the US arresting several Iranians over 5 months ago. Colmes added it was a “foreign policy mistake.” Once again, it’s America’s fault. Republican strategist Amy Holmes laid Alan out, explaining the difference between capturing Iranians in Iraq and British sailors in Iraqi waters. D’oh. I guess when your mission is to blame America first, making crazy comparisons doesn’t matter. Soon after, guest co-host Rich Lowry jumped in to summarize Alan’s thoughts with this zinger: “Oh, Gosh! We tried to stop some Iranians from killing our guys, therefore in some bizarre, moral reasoning the Bush administration is responsible for what the Iranian’s did.”

Then this nugget slipped out from Jane Fleming’s mouth: “Alan was not condemning what the Iranians did to the British soldiers, nobody would.” Did she mean “condoning?” Freudian slip?

After getting backed into a corner with Lowry, Fleming changed the subject to how terrible things are going in Iraq and why John McCain is the reason for a terrorist attack. Here’s what she said (emphasis mine):

McCain took a hundred of our soldiers, who should have been doing their normal duty, to tour a marketplace. A CIA agent went on that day and said what he did was wrong because he was sure that those people who were shown in the marketplace would be targeted and killed and that is exactly what happened. Twenty-one [unintelligible] were killed on the hands of McCain’s visit to Iraq.

Jane Fleming just blamed John McCain for an insurgent attack. Can we question her patriotism now?

Doss #72
Well done. Where is Welch now...when we REALLY need him?

#79 DocRemulac: excellent linguist, Sir! Fine translation...

"Peace in our time!
One piece at a time!"

These clowns are going to mess around until it gets way out of hand, and a lot of innocent Americans are going to die.

That's not fear-mongering; that's a promise that the Izzyfascists have been making for 20 years. I can believe we're going to climb into the suicide vest along with them.

Vote Democratic: It's cheaper than living.

I just cannot believe everything that has happened in this past week. I certainly can see the connection to "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" ! Get these people back from "vacation" PLEASE!

An observation of the Dems' vacation:

1. Pelosi pisses off one of our best allies, Israel
2. Hoyer meets with a terrorist group
3. With all that happening, the MSM reports NOT on #1 and #2 but on the "sneaky" appointment of an ambassador to Belgium

Doomed? i don't know but for sure: "Beware of wolves in sheep clothing"

I wonder if Hoyer is familiar with The Project.

At least it wasn't my congressman who met with the MB.

Trying to get my liberal friends to understand...

And they won't even listen.

#31 republic

If there is a serious terrorist attack, or attacks here, the Democrats will impose Martial Law, and abolish the Constitution.

Then they'd have their complete control.

No. Then they will find out what a real insurgency looks like.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

Quite possibly. At this point, I'm afraid it's going to get much, much worse before it can get any better.

US Muslim Rep Ellison: Mideast can find peace if US acts

Gag

#40 bsm engineer -- I work everyday in the Pentagon with people who don't even think we are at war!

#46 6patrick6 -- I work on a military installation and wonder every day if people there realize or think we really are at war.

Jeez, that is the most discouraging news I've heard. How did a bunch of liberal ninnys ever infiltrate the Pentagon and military like this? It's time to CLEAN HOUSE!

But here's one little ray of hope. It's been my opinion for a long time that things will have to get worse before they get better. The world, not to mention the U.S., is not ready to confront Islam. In classic style, the West, just like England in the 1930s, will wait until it's ALMOST too late to confront the enemies who would do it in. Why this is so, I don't know. But it's a historical pattern and it's playing out again.

That doesn't mean we're doomed, it just means we have to be on the precipice of doom before we'll unite against the forces that would destroy us.

Damned stupid strategy, but that's the way it seems to work.

So expect a whole lotta really stupid shit to come down the pike in the next few years. It'll take a nuclear strike in the US, and then some, before the forces of wimpiness are drowned out by the sheer drive to survive.

It's hard to watch, as I'm sure Winston Churchill would confirm.

I thought Steny Hoyer was one of the level-headed Dems.

I will repeat a comment I made when LGFer Atman first posted this.
Normally I attribute such behavior to BDS. The Libs feel that they must communicate their love to the haters of America and ensure them that if Democrats are elected/ re-elected they will surrender as long as they are not beaten. But this appears to be sedition plain and simple. And speaking of Simple Minded, I think this entire episode can be attributed to Bush's failure to go after the spies and leakers that infest his government. Bush's open war policy and inarticulate defense of America and American culture will be remembered for generations. he has already dismantled the GOP and seems perfectly willing to deconstruct America in favoe of cheap labor and drugs and international crimminals who apparently know they can break the law with impunity and need pay no taxes. Bush will be remembered as the President that tried to destroy America with compassion. Spit

#97 hous bin pharteen 4/07/2007 7:47:05 pm PDT

#31 republic

If there is a serious terrorist attack, or attacks here, the Democrats will impose Martial Law, and abolish the Constitution.

Then they'd have their complete control.

No. Then they will find out what a real insurgency looks like.

Agreed. At that point, the people in charge would likely receive some very personal tutoring in the meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment. Just sayin'.

we are not going down the drain. every day our country awakens to the danger. let the dems show their asses. already the wapo is calling nancy a foolish person. think of that. so the idiot hoyer meets w/the mb. the dems are looking so unstable to every one. and we are growing in our resolve to push back the cave dwellers. young and old alike. buying guns and flying the stars and stripes and the stars and bars and we will NOT go down the drain. ( unless they are swirling below us, our boots pushing on their heathen heads. ) THEY WILL NOT WIN.

we may be doomed.

Nothing a little prayer won't fix:

Through you, God (Allah), we unite. So guide us to the right path. The path of the people you bless, not the path of the people you doom.

#99 St. Pancake

Nice catch. Unfortunately (hanging head in shame), Ellison is a Congressmen from my state and when the Dem Congressman, Martin Sabo, retired...it opened the door to this buffoon. It's interesting to note that Martin Sabo did ALL he could to see that Ellison did NOT win the Dem Primary for this vacant seat.
Watch out for this guy, seriously...watch out for him.

106 ornery elephant
Yep, and many others are watching.

NOAM!
Are you around, dear?

"Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood

But do they have the courage to investigate the One, promised by their Prophet? No.

Do they have the integrity to seek the Will of God in the outpouring of the Knowledge of God given humankind by Baha'u'llah? No.

Do they recognize the Quran's successor in the Book of Certitude? No.

Do they have a jihadi's courage to look into themselves? No!

So they are not dying "in the way of God" and are missing their highest hope.

Baha'u'llah is the Glory of God IF you trust Christ.

#102 pat -- this entire episode can be attributed to Bush's failure to go after the spies and leakers that infest his government.

I hate to say it, but I agree.

How Bush rationalizes this in his mind is beyond me.

The left and islamists have one thing in common: they both want Jews and Christians dead.
It does not surprise me that democrat leaders visit terror leaders. This is the beginning of the unholy alliance between the left and islamists.

I put my trust in Jesus Christ, for these things must come to past before His coming.

Daniel 11:32 (New King James Version)
32 Those who do wickedly against the covenant he shall corrupt with flattery; but the people who know their God shall be strong, and carry out great exploits.

What a time we live in!

#100 rtheyserious

You are probably right in what you say, about the precipice of doom.
And unfortunately when the European and American killing machines wake up to the threat, what comes next will certainly dwarf the carnage that was WWII. The jihadis think they know how to kill? Ha, just wait and see what a properly equipped and trained professional army can do when it is set free.

#111 redshirt
Of course you ar making a small jest at the expense of the British Navy.

#56 durendal:

so in the past week, Dhimmocrats have met with

1) Syria
2) Saudi
3) Muslim Brotherhood
4) North Korea

Do you mean Bill Richardson's North Korea mission? Endorsed by the Bush administration:

.[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

#102 Pat

I think this entire episode can be attributed to Bush's failure to go after the spies and leakers that infest his government. Bush's open war policy and inarticulate defense of America and American culture will be remembered for generations. he has already dismantled the GOP and seems perfectly willing to deconstruct America in favoe of cheap labor and drugs and international crimminals who apparently know they can break the law with impunity and need pay no taxes. Bush will be remembered as the President that tried to destroy America with compassion. Spit

Absolutely, brillliantly on target. A lot of people have been killed but the administration has not prosecuted this war with anything like the necessary vigor or strategic vision.

The tentative success of the new strategy in Iraq, in the face of a desperate situation that almost amounts to a last stand, begs the question: Why wasn't this done 3 years ago, before the insurgents had infested the entire country and gained the acclamation of every dupe and media slave on the planet? It is a damning indictment of Rumsfeld and, of course, of President Bush and his administration.
Add this to the open borders policy, and we can only assume that cheap labor and Arab investment capital superceded every other consideration for this administration. The so-called conservative movement in this country has lost its compass.
Barry Goldwater is rolling over in his grave.

So many people don't want to face the reality of evil in the world and just want to think that we can just talk to bad people and they will become nice guys. Women especially think this. HEY, WAKE UP! PEOPLE WHO WANT YOU DEAD are not interested in co-existing wtih you. THEY WANT YOU DEAD! That's it. Period. End.

There is one thing lizards can do.

Write to Bush and Cheney. Here's what I wrote tonight:

To: comments@whitehouse.gov
Subject: STAND UP and FIGHT!
Cc: vice_president@whitehouse.gov

Dear President Bush,

I voted for you, and I've supported you all these years. You've done a GREAT job.

Now I want to respectfully, but very strongly, request that you STAND UP to the current infringements on the separation of powers by Democrats such as Pelosi, Ellison, and Hoyer, as they attempt to take foreign affairs into their own hands by visiting with, and virtually negotiating with, state sponsors of terrorism.

Sir, with all due respect, you MUST take a stand against them!

PLEASE invoke the Logan Act and get aggressive about defending and enforcing the Law!

I know you need to work WITH the Democrats in many respects. But these actions of theirs are over the line.

I don't know a single person I communicate with who is not adamantly opposed to their actions and almost desperately hoping you will STAND UP and enforce the law.

PLEASE... STAND UP, Mr. President. We need you to LEAD.

Respectfully,

---

Democratic Congressman Joe Sestak appeared at the First Annual Banquet for the Philadelphia office of CAIR, today.
It is inappropriate and offensive for a sitting United States Representative to be participating in a function sponsored by a group with direct ties to Hamas.

#112 pat
Actually, I think that when push comes to shove, and the bullets start flying, they will get their act together real fast. Sometimes fighting back is the only option!

Thank God for LGF. I feel sometimes as if I'm serving a congress that is actively trying to get me and my friends killed, and it is only the constant comments and insight from everyone on LGF that keeps me from becoming totally cynical about what our country stands for. Well, not totally cynical.

#114 Shiplord Kirel
Thanx. If only I could type and had a sense of spelling. I can confuse spellcheck.

#107 St. Pancake

NOAM!
Are you around, dear?

In the poker room, hun...

brb

#91 panamahat

Where is Welch now...when we REALLY need him?

US Assistant Secretary of State. Here's a few other threads where he's referenced.

I've never understood why our talking to someone, whoever it is, is going to cause 'doom.' I mean, I can see the harm if we were handing out cash and guns to marginal people, but simply sitting down and having a chat doesn't hurt anything.

There's the argument that for US officials to talk to opponents gives these opponents credibility, but I think that that fear is overblown. Maybe people like the President of Syria will be given cause to strut around a bit because US officials deign to talk to them, but does that translate into an increased chance that Syria will nuke us off the face of the planet?

I think not. I really think that the potential harm from talking to non-allies is outweighed by the potential benefit. Bush should be following the recommendations of the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group, which include diplomacy with Syria.

I also find the argument that Pelosi is undermining the President to be overblown. Congress has a Constitutionally endorsed significant role in foreign affairs-- they approve treaties and they alone can endorse wars and military actions. The reason that countries tend to pay attention to the President is because, well, the President has -more- power.

When Newt Gingrich went to China and said that the US would defend Taiwan no matter what, he was actively contradicting US foreign policy. But what is Pelosi contradicting with her visit? The policy version of the silent treatment?

114...

Yeah, and FDR should be blamed for that useless Island hopping campaign my great uncles were involved in, and the mess at Normandy, and for not sending fighter escorts along with long range bombers during the first 2 years of the WWII. As for open borders, there has not been a president since Teddy Roosevelt that took that issue seriously...and that inlcudes President Reagan. That does not execuse President Bush, but it also does not single him out.

102...

Um, Pat...So, since you suffer from terminal BDS, I guess you completely let traitors off the hook, such as Jay Rockafeller? Or a DNC chair that calls the President "evil", or Democrats who meet with terrorists, an incompetent CIA that is at war with the President and not our enemies, or a terrorist-enabling media who has not stopped bashing the President and his policies since 2000? Yeah, all Bush's fault.

#106 ornery elephant

Said it myself not long after he was elected. I'm going to make Ellison my bitch (metaphorically speaking, of course).

I'm working on it...

Start here.

Contains links to other stuff I've posted over at Powerline.

#11 Poorman

Krikey, at least understand what you are talking about before commenting. Just because MB holds some seats in Egypt doesn't make them legitmate -- HAMAS is elected in Lebanon and Palestine if you remember right. Here's the brief Global Security Org write up on MB, and it's just the tip of the iceberg, some argue that all fundamentalist terrorism was birthed originally at this org (sweeping statement I don't agree with since Islamic states were practicing terrorism before there was a muslim brotherhood.)

Allah is our objective. The Prophet is our leader. Qur'an is our law. Jihad is our way. Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope."—Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood was founded in 1928 by Hasan al-Banna, a 22-year-old elementary school teacher. The Brotherhood asserted itself as an Islamic revivalist movement following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire and the caliphate system of government that had united Muslims for hundreds of years. Al-Banna emphasized the comprehensive nature of his faith. Islam was not only a religion, but a fundamental force in society and politics.

The Brotherhood grew as a popular movement over the years. It blamed the Egyptian government for being passive against "Zionists" and joined the Palestinian side in the war against Israel (1948). The Muslim Brothers also performed terrorist acts inside of Egypt, which led to a ban on the movement by the Egyptian government. A Muslim Brother assassinated the Prime Minister of Egypt, Mahmud Fahmi Nokrashi, on December 28, 1948. Al-Banna himself was killed by government agents in Cairo in February, 1949.

In 1954, Abdul Munim Abdul Rauf, a Brotherhood activist, attempted to assassinate the widely popular Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser and was executed, along with five other Brothers. Four thousand Brothers were also arrested, and thousands more fled to Syria, Saudia Arabia, Jordan, and Lebanon.

Although officially banned by the Egyptian government since 1954, the Muslim Brothers have captured 17 seats in the Egyptian Parliament running as independents in recent years, in addition to holding important offices in professional organizations (syndicates) in Egypt.

And a voice from heaven said, "This is my son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

i think it's useless to grovel at the feet of our elected officals and beg them to protect us. if the dems can have a "shadow gov't" to destroy our country thru their ignorance how abt we patriotic americans start getting ready for the sthtf. we need to organize and prepare. it's already happening. the uprising is inevitable, it will leave politicians in the dust.

#124 Sane(?)inMN

Yeah, and FDR should be blamed for that useless Island hopping campaign my great uncles were involved in, and the mess at Normandy, and for not sending fighter escorts along with long range bombers during the first 2 years of the WWII. As for open borders, there has not been a president since Teddy Roosevelt that took that issue seriously...and that inlcudes President Reagan. That does not execuse President Bush, but it also does not single him out.

Got anything but ignorant strawmen and your own opinion?
FDR didn't take four years for the entire war, the island hopping campaign was not useless, the D-Day landings broke through the strongest defense in the world in a single day, the long-range escorts were deployed as soon as they were available, and Eisenhower deported 11/2 million illegals in a couple of months.

Hypothetical question: What is the penalty if one is found guilty of viciously kicking a congressman to the curb such that he loses several teeth and suffers a broken nose and two black eyes while calling said MC a Dhimmi traitor for the duration of the assault?

Just wondering, okay?

-- gunjam

#125 Noam Sayin'

Great Stuff! Thank you - I feel better already : )

123...

Bush should be following the recommendations of the bi-partisan Iraq Study Group, which include diplomacy with Syria.

Yes, lets sit down, face to face, with the man who has personally ordered hit-jobs on a least two Lebanese officials, in an attempt to destroy their young democracy and force Israel into a protracted war.

Lets sit down with Iran, whose nut-ball figure head has called repeatedly for the destruction of Israel, and who holds international conferences focused on Holocaust denial. Not to mention his funding, training, and delivery of terrorists who have killed at least 170 American soldiers and untold thousands of Iraqi citizens.

I've never understood why our talking to someone, whoever it is, is going to cause 'doom.' I mean, I can see the harm if we were handing out cash and guns to marginal people, but simply sitting down and having a chat doesn't hurt anything.

Here are two words that should help you understand why talking to animals can "cause doom".

Neville Chamberlain

All this talking that the Democrats do reminds me of the "Wonder Years" Fred Savage spent the show saying to his little girl friend or his other friend: "Let's talk." or
"We have to talk"...
/Great, a foreign policy based on teenager angst.

#123 leoniceno

I've never understood why our talking to someone, whoever it is, is going to cause 'doom.' I mean, I can see the harm if we were handing out cash and guns to marginal people, but simply sitting down and having a chat doesn't hurt anything.

Would you apply that same reasoning to Neville Chamberlain? Did it really do no harm to talk to him? I know trotting out the example of him and hitler is overused, but in this case it really does apply. These countries, like syria and iran are not merely "non-allies" they are our enemies sworn to our destruction. Yes, talking to them does hurt, unless it is to tell them to straighten up or get smacked, anything less is appeasing, which does great harm indeed.

Bush has failed us. There is more to it than partisan politics and the value of some desperate chickenshit's little retirement portfolio.
There are forces in the world who will enslave us and millions in this country who will gleefully support them.

Failure puts the Dems in charge, not just the Dems but the radical left of the Democratic Party, CO2 restrictions, health nazi coercion, massive aid to dictators, totalitarian schools, "hate speech" laws, gun confiscation, multicultural brainwashing, fast-food rehab...
Shall I go on?

#124 SaneInMN
Jay Rockefeller should be investigated for several violations of the Logan Act, as well as the apparent leak of the NSC program. He has not even been interviewed, altho he seems to be in hiding. The CIA is under Bush and he has done nothing to deal with their incompetence, thereby doubling up the problem. Bush is a fool as his entire administration when it comes to International matters. he gets complements for understanding domestic tax policy. We are lucky he attended thoses classes.

#131 ornery elephant

Great Stuff! Thank you - I feel better already : )

Hasn't exactly gotten any play in the media, though, has it?

What does it frickin' take?

PIMF
My 134 i meant to say did it do no harm for Chamberlain to talk to hitler. Stupid fingers hit post instead of preview...

Its sad and rather scary just how deep the Democrats are pandering to Islamic terrorists groups for Muslim votes in future elections the same way they've been pandering to illegal aliens to garner the Hispanic vote. Expecting the world to see the Muslim Brotherhood as a legitimate source of political resource on Near/Middle Eastern affairs and international relations is the same as consulting the KKK on ways to promote multicultural diversity.

Nice bunch of guys the Dems are hanging with these days.

[Link: www.tkb.org...]
[Link: www.nizkor.org...]

Someone tell me again why, as a Jew, I should be a Liberal Democrat.

U.S. government policy does not bar meetings with Brotherhood members of parliament

It would be silly to expect similar diplomacy with Kahane Kach - eh?

OT but related:
The Justice Department launched it's first event in Kansas City, The First Freedom series & is drawing special attention from the Muslim pressure groups. Mr. Green’s report at The Gates of Vienna blog will help readers figure out why the Islamist lobby is so interested in these DOJ sponsored seminars.

Here is why: It is an exercise in bureaucratic empire-building that will enable Islamic activists to advance their agenda in the United States — in particular, to enhance, at taxpayer expense, their portrayal of Muslims as victims in the court of public opinion. The first presenter, Special Counsel for Religious Discrimination Eric W. Treene of the DOJ Civil Rights Division, was quite open about his agency’s view of religious discrimination complaints as a growth market. He frankly stated that “we want to increase the number of cases we bring,” and that “we can’t bring cases we don’t know about.” Hence this seminar (the first of several), whose objective is “to educate the public.” Treene further noted that while the number of racial and ethnic discrimination cases — once his agency’s bread and butter — had flattened out in recent years, the number of religiously based cases it handles has risen by some 70 percent since 1992. Moreover, he added, cases involving Muslim complaints have doubled since the 9/11 atrocity.

The next speaker, also of the Civil Rights Division, was Steven H. Rosenbaum, Chief of the agency’s Housing and Enforcement Section. He described his shop’s efforts against “religious discrimination in land use” — such as zoning decisions that might preclude the establishment of a house of worship in an area where local residents don’t see it as a good fit — and noted that “we’re working with a developing area of the law.” As mosque construction in the U.S. accelerates in coming years, undoubtedly it will be.
- - - -
The panel then heard questions from those present, which is when I took issue with U.S. Attorney Bradley J. Schlozman’s assertion in his opening statement that “before freedom of speech and the press, the Founders put freedom of religion.” I maintained that this was unsupported by either legal precedent or historical fact, and buttressed my argument with a quote from James Madison’s Jan. 7, 1800 Report to Congress on the Alien and Sedition Acts, which I had fortuitously chanced upon while preparing a statement to be delivered to the panel (under the mistaken impression that the event’s format provided for this): “Both of these rights, the liberty of conscience and of the press ... are equally secured by the supplement to the constitution, being both included in the same amendment, made at the same time, and with the same authority.” To Treene’s rejoinder that this was a mere rhetorical point, I retorted that it was certainly at odds with a rhetorical point on this very subject made by the First Amendment’s author. (It may be found on page 657 of Library of America’s “Madison: Writings.”)

Read further...

Quote: "Exactly WHY are the DOJ, schools, courts, law enforcements, government, the press, etc. promoting and protecting Islam?"

It was ok for Chamberlain to talk to Hitler. Chamberlain was the lawful head of government and there was no war at the time. What was not ok was for him to give Hitler permission to take over Czechoslovakia. "Peace in our time" should have been "Stay out or else."

Glad Noam showed up. I want you to notice in a big way what Ellison is doing.

Anybody who wants to know about the REAL nature of the Brotherhood needs to read this analysis by Alain Chouet, former head of the DGSE:

Everything you needed to know but were too uninformed to ask

#141 justamomof4

"Quote: 'Exactly WHY are the DOJ, schools, courts, law enforcements, government, the press, etc. promoting and protecting Islam?'"

Venture capital, recycled oil loot.

OT

Look at this POS letter attacking Elie Wiesel posted in the Boston University alumni magazine -

As someone who got an undergraduate degree at Boston University and had two parents who also graduated from BU, I was deeply saddened to see Elie Wiesel being featured in the recent Bostonia. Along with Wiesel’s picture were the words, “A Nobel Prize Winner Teaches Literature — and Moral Responsibility” (emphasis mine).

Why isn’t BU ashamed to have a professor who teaches moral responsibility but refuses to practice it? Wiesel refuses to condemn Israel’s war crimes, its brutal crimes against humanity, and all its other flagrant violations of international law, some of which go back as far as Israel’s establishment in May of 1948. (In December 1948, the UN ordered Israel to allow the dispossessed Palestinians to return to their homes and lands.)

Wiesel’s hypocrisy is well known, though denied by many Jews — and uninformed Americans. Distinguished Jews like Noam Chomsky and Norman Finkelstein and Christopher Hitchens, who is not Jewish, have vehemently criticized Wiesel’s hypocrisy.

President Carter’s book Palestine: Peace Not Apartheid, the work of the American Friends Service Committee and statements by Archbishop Desmond Tutu and the World Council of Churches are gradually informing Americans about Israel’s profoundly immoral practices. I would expect that BU would become increasingly embarrassed by its professor who refuses to practice what he teaches.

Edith Cacciatore (SON’60)
Novato, California

Did Rachel Corrie get psychotherapy from this moonbat?

I'm trying to figure out why the surprise and shock. Since after Truman left office when haven't the Democrats sided with the enemies of the United States and freedom in general?

China murders millions: Pthhhbt, who cares? Amerika sucks!

Soviets enslave most of Europe: Phtthhhbt, who cares? Amerika sucks!

Vietnam and Cambodian communists murder millions: Phtthhhbt who cares? Amerika sucks!

Communists take over and enslave Cuba, various African countries and try to take over Central America: Phtthhhbt, who cares? Amerika sucks!

Jihadis try and take over the Middle East, control the world's oil supply, push the Israelis into the sea and export terrorism into Europe and the US: Phttthhhbt, who cares? Amerika sucks!

We've survived these bufoons so far and I think we will in the future too...but it doesn't make it any eaiser to stomach.

Pancake, is that a Lebanese pub you linked at #99?

I'm not sure this is true:

The Bush administration has promoted Ellison's status as the first Muslim in Congress around the world, even though the freshman Democrat disagrees with many of the president's policies and often has preached the importance of negotiating with all sides.

And I have a sneaking suspicion Ellison might be fibbing, here:

When the delegation walked into the eighth-century Omayyad Mosque in Syria's capital, he [Ellison] said, the women inside turned and waved at Pelosi and followed her outside to be photographed with her. "The people felt like a world leader was demonstrating humanity toward them," he said.

I could be wrong. I'll have to do a little research in the morning.

#137 Noam Sayin'

What does it frickin' take?

All I can say is have hope and patience. Rome wasn't built in a day and The Land of 10,000 Taxes won't be turned red in a day. : )

Ellison will be his worst enemy - he's playing it "cool" now but give it six months, this guy has no control over his mouth. The more he talks, the more we win. I'm betting on it.

#103 brick...

Agreed. At that point, the people in charge would likely receive some very personal tutoring in the meaning and intent of the 2nd Amendment. Just sayin'.

This government was set up to serve the people.
Not the other way around.
There is no way a bunch of 5th century thugs or modern day Stalinists are going to take that away from us. Vote the bastards out.
If they think they are going to trash the constitution and take over, then we will force them out.
Too many brave men and women gave their all for our freedom and I will be damned if I am going to stand by and watch it pissed away.
Enough of this loosing talk.
Doomed my ass.

Someone on Rantburg once wrote, "I feel like it's 100 million red-staters holding off the world."

#123 Leoniceno

Congress has a Constitutionally endorsed significant role in foreign affairs-- they approve treaties and they alone can endorse wars and military actions.

It's not the job of the House to make foreign policy.

The reason that countries tend to pay attention to the President is because, well, the President has -more- power.

He is the Commander-in-Chief.

129...
Regarding "strawmen"

Mistakes involved in the planning and execution of long range bombing raids detailed here...
[Link: www.usaaf.net...]

The Island Hopping campaign was not useless, but not without its critics...
[Link: www.historycooperative.org...]

On mistakes made at Normandy...
[Link: www.nationalreview.com...]

Your correct on Ike, so only the last 9 Administrations have been incompetent regarding illegal immigration. That still leaves President Bush with a lot of lame company.

148 Noam Sayin'
Sorry, I am late.
Yes, it is Lebanese.

#149 ornery elephant

Ellison will be his worst enemy - he's playing it "cool" now but give it six months, this guy has no control over his mouth. The more he talks, the more we win. I'm betting on it.

I agree. And because he's the "First Muslim Elected to Congress" it's more than just me waiting for him to f*ck up. My hope is that it takes the DFL down a few pegs when he does.

#147 Norm Chumpsky

The trick that the libs use to justify the genocide their side has caused, is causing and will cause in the future is to say America has done something bad that renders that somehow ok. What's purposefully left out of their logic is the concept of measure. It works like this:

Sane person: "Communists have murderd about a tenth of a billion people over the decades."

Liberal: "That's ok, because the Contras in El Salvadore killed hundreds."

To a liberal, there is no difference between cutting off a kids allowance and cutting off the kid's head, depending on who's doing the cutting.

136...

Bush is a fool as his entire administration when it comes to International matters.

The "fool" has done a fairly decent job of preventing another 9-11. On 9-12-01, would you have taken a bet that the US would have not suffered a major terrorist attack as of 4-7-07? Be honest. As for the CIA, President Bush should have shit-canned Tennet on 9-12. However, the damage done by the various " Valerie Plames", "Paul Pillars", etc. occurred over several decades of incompetence and will not be undone by this President, or even the next Administration, assuming its Republican. If Democrat, the damage just gets that much worse.

#151 SandyP

Well, see how long the blue zones (they are not entire states) survive without food, water, electricity, etc. They need red states.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

Come on now buck up. I have a feeling a new political party will be formed in the next 10-15 years for this very reason. Neither political party is dealing with the central problems of today...

(1) The preservation of Western Civilization
(2) The Islamic threat

This party will rally those disatisfied into a new coalition to defeat the enemy. The Republican party in the 1850s appeared because nobody was dealing with slavery and the threat "slave power" of the south was to "free soil" in the north.

Today we are in a similar situation. The current political elite will not talk about it. In fact just like the 1830s-1850s many tried to gag "slave talk" just like elite today try to gag those that speak out against Islam and in defense of Western Civilization.

Some will say the current Republican will do it again. I doubt it. They have become "Bushized" and have lost their manhood. They will not name the enemy and that should tell you all you need to know. Most of the foot troops in the Republican party are confused and lost. They are just begging for a new way.

Perhaps a Neo-Republican party or a Reborn party of Lincoln. It is time the republicans find their roots...their real roots. It is time to go beyond the last 50 years and find men like T.R. and Lincoln again.

Hell, toss in some "Give em Hell" too.

Someone on Rantburg once wrote, "I feel like it's 100 million red-staters holding off the world."

Don't forget all of western Canada also! Well, except for Vancouver...

161 canadianally
Of course, and I do believe the "exceot for Vancouver" bit too.

#111 redshirt -- You are probably right in what you say, about the precipice of doom. And unfortunately when the European and American killing machines wake up to the threat, what comes next will certainly dwarf the carnage that was WWII.

Unfortunately, I think you are right.

The carnage doesn't have to be what it will, just as the carnage of WWII didn't have to be what it was, were it not for the appeasers who postpone dealing with events before they get far out of control.

In 1942, George Orwell wrote this of Great Britain's pacifists:

"Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help out that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, 'he that is not with me is against me.'"

England's pacifists howled, but Orwell's logic was implacable. The Nazis wished the British to not fight. If the British did not fight, the Nazis would conquer Britain. The British pacifists also wished the British to not fight. The British pacifists, therefore, were on the side of a Nazi victory over Britain. They were objectively pro-Fascist.

An essentially identical logic obtains now. Organized terrorist groups have attacked America. These groups wish the Americans to not fight. The American pacifists wish the Americans to not fight. If the Americans do not fight, the terrorists will attack America again. And now we know such attacks can kill many thousands of Americans. The American pacifists, therefore, are on the side of future mass murders of Americans. They are objectively pro-terrorist.

By Michael Kelly
Wednesday, September 26, 2001; Page A25
The Washington Post

I live in Maryland. I pay taxes to the state of Maryland.

An elected official of the state I live in just met with people who have sworn to kill me and will not negotiate on that point.

How much longer before Steny Hoyer comes up with law that all Maryland Jews must wear a yellow star of David, for their own protection?

===

Fuck you Steny Hoyer, you do NOT represent me in any way shape or form. If it was in my power to impeach you or remove you from public service in any legal manner, rest assured it would be done so before you got off the plane from Egypt.

ACHZARIT,
R

I would never propose opposition to the government of the United States, but since it seems our officials are actively working to undermine the framework of the founding fathers; is it time for the sane people left in the Nation to start forming some sort of revolt?

"I would never propose opposition to the government of the United States"

Correction: That should read "I would never propose violent opposition to the government of the United States"

#123 Leoniceno

Wow, that's a lot of misconceptions to pack into one post so early in your career here.

You might want to start taking things in smaller bites.

Usually one starts by letting people know something about one's self, so we can see where you're coming from.

#146 ErisLDysnomia
Edith Cacciatori wrote that. Shit, I'm having that for dinner! Cool. Moonbat for dinner!

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

(My apologize to Oh Susanna )

The Junket Yard Dog...

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is " wacky"

You took a trip to the Middle East
Your intentions were "SO PURE"
However every word from your mouth
Was nothing more than MANURE

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is " wacky"

Your multi-country visits
Really didn't go so great
Haven't you ever wondered
Why you weren't made Head of State

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is " wacky"

Your well documented visit
With Bashar Assad
Has only made our fight for Peace
More difficult... you "tard"

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is " wacky"

Some may think you are weird
Or like a really "odd" Aunt
I have another opinion
You are nothing but a "Dilettante"

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is " wacky"

You may think you're crafty
A politician sly as a fox
The leader of a Shadow Government
Disguised with BOTOX

No ! San Fran Granny
You don't speak for me
You come from California
Where everyone is a " LEFTY "

#165 Meatrocket

Short answer: no.

The successful revolution that results in something better than it started with is a historical freak - we've been lucky once.

Besides, there's nothing structural that can't be fixed, our constitution is still in place, if poorly observed.

All we need to do (difficult though it may be) is to stop putting up with the lies and misbehavior of the left, in a coordinated, realistic and honest way.

They will either come around and begin honestly advocating their position and negotiating with us, or their constituencies will abandon them en masse and they will be marginalized.

I don't mean to understate the difficulty of this, but honesty must be brought in a meaningful way to the public sphere, and penalties (at least social penalties) for repeated lies.

I don't expect perfect honesty, that would be unrealistic.

But right now the political world is buried in lies, and there's definitely a political imbalance to them.

The biggest obstacle to achieving that is the monolithically leftist media corps that can be relied upon to back the lies of the left. If it wasn't for them, we wouldn't be in as much of a mess.

The blogosphere has engaged the MSM, but that will take a while, perhaps a generation. Right now, the Democrats can lie with impunity and be backed by the press (the sixteen words, tax cuts for the rich, no WMDs, blah blah blah).

It ain't gonna be easy.

#59 snakespit 4/07/2007 7:06:29 pm PDT

"Our nation WILL awaken, but it won't be until after something worse than 9-11.
I've said it before, and I say it again:
Buy guns and lots of ammo. The time draws near when rough men will again have to stand watch and fight. The Catholic church in my town burned this morning under strange circumstances. Everyone is waiting to find out the cause. I suspect Islamists. We'll see.

We don't have the luxury of trusting our government to handle these things. Our leaders are sucking up to the Jihadists. We must prepare---prepare---prepare."

Who are the ones that want to push GUN CONTROL...
are they the Dem-OH-crats ! Making the country safer for terrorists

What the fuck are the Democrats waiting for? Why don't they just convert to Islam and get it over with?

This news is more evidence that supports my theory that Democrats are a big steaming piles of dumbshit!

#173 Hot Rod Kid

What the fuck are the Democrats waiting for? Why don't they just convert to Islam and get it over with?

They don't want to convert to Islam. Heck, they don't like Islam. They're just doing what's expedient at the moment to gain power so they can fight their REAL enemy.

Which, unfortunately, happens to be reality.

You may have caught the brouhaha lately over the Evan Sayet video on YouTube. Go search for it and watch it (at least the first 35 minutes) if you haven't seen it yet.

It's not a complete explanation of leftism, but it sure helps explain the nuttier behavior.

Buy guns? WTF do you think you're going to do with them? Fight the U.S. government? Some people here need to seriously get real. That kind of talk belongs on Kos. And it's way out of line.

There ain't gonna be no conservative revolution except at the polls. And that's exactly where it needs to take place.

We are a nation of laws. Wanna have an effect? Organize, peacefully, under the laws of this country.

America is extremely resilient and our system of government has survived worse than this. So don't frickin panic. Get determined.

#59 snakespit: Buy guns and lots of ammo. The time draws near when rough men will again have to stand watch and fight. ...We don't have the luxury of trusting our government to handle these things.

Snakespit, in case you're wondering, I'm talking directly to you.

Get a fucking grip. It's posts like yours that discredit LGF.

We ain't fomenting no violent revolution here, and if you think that's what's happening, I'll have no part of it.

I haven't done any research on your previous posts, but I'm half inclined to guess you're a moby posting crap like that for the specific purpose of discrediting LGF. Either that or you need to grow up, fast.

Sheesh.

#175 rtheyserius
" That kind of talk belongs on Kos. And it's way out of line."

Thank you very much for becoming the "BLOG MASTER"
we would be lost without you...

Well now I am "DETERMINED" !
Determined to hummm "Kum By Ya" as I purchace more .45 ammo.

#175 rtheyserius

Read my #171 for context, then take a fragging chill pill.

Nothing lasts forever.

That being said, I sure hope the system of bitchin' and votin' keeps up for at least a couple more centuries.

Besides, the point of #59 seems to be not fighting our own government, but being prepared to fight real enemies if the government loses the will. Let's hope that doesn't happen either.

#174 Merovign

I know. I was being sarcastic.

Thanks for the heads-up on the video clip on You tube.

Here's where I'm coming from:
I understand the motivations of the Dems. I understand the history and politics of their party for the past 4 decades. (I was once an organizer helper-bee in the Dem Party on the state and local levels.) I understand their lunacy.

I could go on and on, but I'm keeping this short.

Basically, I like to mock liberals because they deserve it.

One last thing:
#123 Leoniceno

What you wrote sounds sensible...except.. the Bush administration has been talking to all the players in the Mideast since 9/11, mostly behind closed doors. Nancy knows that. She is going over there with much fanfare in order to score political points back home. She's into power. Dems want power.

Democrats are a big steaming pile of donkeyshit!
Other than that, they're fine people.

Gotta go. My wife just told me that if I don't get to bed right now, the easter Bunny won't leave me any candy in the basket downstairs.

Happy Easter!

G'nite...zzz

Now representatives from every district can implement their own foreign policy on behalf of The United States. Hooray.

America needs an exorcism.

I think the Lizardoid Master is optimistic. But we all have our duties.

Wow - whatever happened to American pride? I guess you should hang your collective heads in shame as your once great nation falls headlong into cowardly dhimmi servitude and becomes the laughingstock of the world.

Nothing wrong with snakespit's post. I agree with it. Nothing wrong with arming yourself as much as you think you need to legally. I think after this british thing and pelosi's get up...I'll be buying more ammo.

We don't know what the future holds..period.

nuff said.

#123 Leoniceno

Your very first post establishes your undisputed credentials as anabsolute moron. Citing the Iraq Study Group as an authority for anything other than the osculation of Saudi posteriors, marks you as a fool, and a disseminater of disinformation.

In short, get lost. Go back to your L3 blogs, where your asinine views are welcomed, and encouraged.

We do not suffer fools, of you ilk, kindly.

Unfortunately...

This may be the only way to "change the tone in Washington"

Pelosi's Syria diplomacy a felony?
Former State Department official sees possible violation of Logan Act

Gonzales could easily get out of his partisan hearings.
Hoyer could be exposed for who he is.

The lefts goal is to bring down President Bush (and they will not stop).

It's time the Republicans started facing reality (and fighting back).

Democrats smile real pretty and they talk a good game.
But they are lying.

They don't have a goal to free people from oppressive regimes.

Their goal is to regain power. At all costs.

How many women and children will die in Iraq and the Middle East if we leave?

How many Democrats care?

The United States fights for freedom.
There is no greater cause.

Seriously, it's time we start fragging these assholes!

We may not be doomed, but when there is alot more suffering on the part of the American people, when a blue state city or two have been turned into big smoking craters, then maybe the American people will get their heads out of their asses and realize just exactly what they elected.

And speaking of the right to bear arms...would someone knowledgeable please recommend what sort of side arm would be suitable for a mature newbie to go take lessons on? A Glock something? Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, as the saying goes. Now I'm beginning to understand.

#171 Merovign,

I agree with you.

Really, I don't anticipate fighting masses of Islamic jihadists in the streets and homes of America any time in the foreseeable future.

A popular call to arms in response to Islam is premature and reactionary, and it gives an impression, I expect, of a rather hot-headed participant group here on LGF -- which has not been my experience of most of the posters here.

I have no argument with the right to bear arms or with defending one's home and family. In fact, I support it.

Let's keep our heads. That's my point.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

The official WLGF Dhimmi Anthem goes out to
Steny Hoyer

Fear no man
Countenance no evil
Never abandon hope.

Gird yourself Charles!
I got your back.

#185 M. Bensson-Levi
Amen.

And here's a Muslim Brotherhood linkfest from the Spleen files:

The Muslim Brotherhood "Project"

Hamas, Islamic Jihad and the Muslim Brotherhood:
Islamic Extremists and the Threat to America

al-Ikhwan al-Muslimin

Ikhwan Web

Ikhwan on line

The Muslim Brotherhood's Conquest of Europe

Discover the network: MB

Legalizing the Muslim Brotherhood

The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda

MAS's Muslim Brotherhood Problem

The Muslim Brotherhood's Propaganda Offensive

that's enough for now, I'll give you more later.

JEWHAD!

#189 once and future angeleno
When you see poster Occasional Reader, ask his advice about a "starter gun".

#181 LaMano 4/07/2007 11:42:24 pm PDT

America needs an exorcism.

I'm working on it...
;~}

#176 rtheyserius
You are completely wrong about Snakespit,
among other things.
I know him.

#175 rtheyserius 4/07/2007 10:49:01 pm PDT

Buy guns? WTF do you think you're going to do with them?

keep them in the house
and GOD forbid the day comes you ever need to use them you dont have to find a way to have them smuggled in to you in potato sacks like they did..

One of the first things Hitler did when he took power was disarm the population.

There is a reason for the 2nd amendment.

This is still America
where we have the right to keep and bear arms for now. Don't you understand that this is the only thing that keeps us as a population from being as vulnerable to this invasion as they are in Europe?

You saw what happened after Katrina?

Imagine a suitcase nuke going off in 6 cities, one of them yours.

You may need to defend yourself for a couple of weeks or months
or years

There is nothing insane with seeing what's coming, and preparing for it.

I have mentioned before (maybe not here),the T.V. program 24 has become reality T.V.
A scary thought.
As for buying guns,I think of it as Insurance,Something we all need ,but hope we never have to use.
Everyone should always plan for the worst,and pray for the best.
Libs must be Dyslexic,They are Praying for the worst and expecting the Best.
As for the Dems takeing Foreign Policy into their own hands,they had 8 years to do it.
If the Admin does not blast this treasonous behavior with all the power of the Executive Branch,he should be Impeached for not upholding the Constitution and protecting the American People.
Happy Easter everyone
David

My G_d. In any time, and any othedr place, these Dems would be swinging from a tree or having their backside placed against a wall. It really, truly appears that they are actively working with enemies of the country. And not just this country. They are either completely cluelesss, over medicated, or they are indeed traitors promoting our demise.
It ain't funny no more and I ain't laughing. 2years people, 2 years and we will determine the fate of western civilization.

BTW the article says he met with them on Thursday, twice, and as I type this it is Sunday. Anybody heard a peep of it on the news? That is how the Americans are being led to the slaughter. The liberal propaganda machine is in full force. What they don't outright lie to us about, they promote by the act of omission. If it ain't reported it didn't happen.
There are going to be some surprised people in Des Moines when the Wal Mart® goes up in flames.

I rarely say this, but we may be doomed.

With everything I read these days, I am afraid I agree with Charles.

DEM DUMB DEMS!

#24 rtheyserius
"We're doomed (in a sense) if President Bush doesn't start invoking the Logan Act and prosecuting these traitorous idiots..."

And if Bush DOESN'T do something, at least try, then that will be making me wonder a few things as well...like are the Dems doing something that he would secretly like to do himself?

I don't know, but if Bush doesn't make a move, something is very, very wrong!

goodbye_natalie 4/07/2007 6:58:58 pm PDT

And we wonder why we can't figure out why we struggle and have no leadership? And what would the God of Israel and of all mankind think of that sign?

---

At the risk of earning my "dead threader" credentials here, my wife and I were discussing the end time Biblical prophesy last night, and the requirement of the "one world government" to lead the world into the end days.

It's truly frightening to see the effects of Godlessness unfolding and unbelievers lapping up the increasingly sour milk of "tolerance" and "diversity", in order to justify the take-over of entire cultures. Many former Christian strongholds are now entirely muslim. And they were taken by force, not by faith.

So we were wondering to ourselves... Is the new rise of the islamic death cult, the fulfillment of the Biblical prophecy of a one-world government ?

Hard to say, but the almost SUPERNATURAL way that it is accepted among the non-Christian population, and the rabid intensity and HATRED of anything related to God (10 Commandments, Crosses in cemeteries, mentioning God in public schools, etc.) certainly seems unnatural and strange to me.

And in (the book of) Romans, the Bible speaks of the Lord giving over the unrepentant to their sin and letting them follow their own ways.

Is this what God's judgment looks like? A separate and parallel society that is so crazy, that everyone in it appears to have lost their minds?

I hope not, but we're on our way to Church and day's prayer for ourselves and our country.

Like any horror movie, we know the ending of this one...it's just not real pleasant being stuck in the middle of the plot. :)

Happy Easter, all...He is risen.

Dhimmi Dems who dabble in dubious diplomatic doublespeak despite denouncement do disastrous damage to democracy.

#86 indythinker
This is a big deal. We've got to push back against this because it looks like the first step toward the possibility that the Dems will be literally allying themselves with the jihad.

The jihadists will lay low until their Dem allies are in power and from then on they will use soft pressure here and there to get the concessions they want. There will be no next 9-11 because the jihadist won't need it. The west is already crumbling, thanks to their "leftist" allies.

2 St. Pancake 4/07/2007 6:42:11 pm PDT

As stated before, only Osama has not been consulted with yet.

Inverted universe here.

I think even Osama would see that as a bad PR move... Pelosi and company might not...

#31 The oath taken by every servicemember (an arcane little thing that some/many don't/can't appreciate the significance of) and, IIRC public servants - such as the POTUS etc is to defend the Republic versus all enemies, foriegn and domsetic... They would have a civics lesson that starts something like this maybe:
Background;
1. The POTUS cntrols the Military.
2. The POTUS and the Military don't like them.
3. They have just angered narly the entire population of the US and made the biggest power grab ever inthe history of the revolution...
This will amount to:
A. The glorious new age of the peoples republic of earth.
B. The caliphate uniting mankind before god.
C. The biggest mistake ever by one political party before their leadership is dragged out into the streets and hung from lampposts or otherwise removed from office/positions of responsibility.

Defend your answer with at least 100 words.

Charles, we are doomed only if we allow the Left to prevail.

#102 pat

"Bush will be remembered as the President that tried to destroy America with compassion. Spit."

I think he'll be remembered as the president who surrendered the sovereignty of the United States to Mexico. His ass-kissing to Mexico takes one's breath away.

#189

It all depends on what you want the firearm for. Personal defense at home? Assuming you are of average size and strength, I'd recommend getting a 20-gauge pump shotgun (such as a Remington 870) and loading it with 00-buck.

In a handgun I'd go with a revolver, as they are much simpler to operate and maintain, and they get the job done. In a handgun I'd recommend a .357 Magnum, because you can shoot three different cartidges out of it: .357 Magnum; .38 +P; and regular .38 Special.

#171 Merovign wrote:
"All we need to do (difficult though it may be) is to stop putting up with the lies and misbehavior of the left, in a coordinated, realistic and honest way.

They will either come around and begin honestly advocating their position and negotiating with us, or their constituencies will abandon them en masse and they will be marginalized."

The only thing you addressed was the MSM. The one big obstacle that you missed was the public school system. Those lefties are pumping out graduating class after graduating class of indoctrinated DEMObots. We have lost the ability to effectively educate our youth en masse with the principles of our democracy. They're now being indoctrinated to hate our democratic principles in favor of submission to the "good of the collective". The incident in the Oregon school where they took away the Legos is a great example of how the left is undermining the US on a grand scale with our children.

I'm thinking it's going to take another major terror attack and the threat of a call to arms by the people for this government to right itself. So, like many others here, I think I'll just stock up on ammunition and food and wait for the inevitible.

and the beat goes on as OUR elected officials are trying to APPEASE the one enemy that use lies, deception, double-speak and hudnas to defeat any foe stupid enough to trust their word...

and the MSM simply yawns at these 'Chamberlain' type efforts...

APPEASEMENT/APATHY/IGNORANCE...it all equals the mindset of the left wing democrats in todays America and spells a real uphill battle against the Armies of Mohammed.

I too fear the worst.

#211 Meatrocket

Yup. I'm armed and stocked, and have been for quite some time. And I know a hell of a lot of others who are, as well. When the SHTF, I will "not go gently into that good night."

Ban them from returning to the country and take their citizenship

#203 samhein

"...if Bush doesn't make a move, something is very, very wrong.!"

The dems capers of these past few days have been astounding, to say the least. Hoyer meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood ( the parent organization of modern-era wholesale slaughter of non-Muslims), and this with the active participation of the U.S. Ambassador to Egypt, and on the heels of Pelosi's blatantly anti-administration activities, is making my flesh crawl. I just don't know how else to describe it as anything other than a coup-in-progress.

Please - somebody show me I'm wrong on this!

#215 GGmac

I have to agree with you. These actions by the dims are the stuff coups are made of.

#190 rtheyserius

Really, I don't anticipate fighting masses of Islamic jihadists in the streets and homes of America any time in the foreseeable future.

Then you will be caught unprepared. I won't be. And those who object to me being prepared, and stating that fact, will most likely be begging me and those like me to help protect them, all because they are afraid of the words causing trouble with leftists... but the leftists are the reason we need to prepare. You may be willing to leave your fate and that of your family up to them; I am not, and neither is snakespit and several others here.

#12 St. Pancake 4/07/2007 6:42:11 pm PDT

As stated before, only Osama has not been consulted with yet.

I am expecting this to happen next week.

#190 rtheyserius

Glad to hear it. :)

#211 Meatrocket

Though it may be unpopular to say to, I don't care about the public schools. They're a lost cause, get your kids out. Because you'd have to reform the ENTIRE government before you could even GET at the public schools, we don't have time to do it.

The list of problems with public schooling is impossibly long.

#180 rtheyserius

I agree with cookielady's #217. For example, I went to the local dump a few months ago to leave some stuff, and the guy at the check in gate was a beard-and-crochet-cap wearing, pajama-and-vest clad middle aged man of shall we say middle eastern appearance. He gave me lousy directions as to where the pay station was, and I started to go out the wrong way -- he came screaming at me, thinking I was skipping, and anybody who hollers at me like that gets hollered back at. Once we got the directions straight, he turned eastward, bowed slightly, and looking upward, said a quiet, reverent and smug "Thank you." As though he were pleased to have received some sort of justification...the hair on the back of my neck stood up, and I've been in the middle east so it wasn't his appearance that alarmed me.

Another story: a friend who works in a high rise nearby told me that the new nightly cleaning service guy on his floor is (recite all together now) pajama-and-vest-clad, beard-and-crochet-beanie-wearing fellow straight out of the news stories from you-know-where. This fellow, who gives no indication of speaking English and acts jumpy all the time, was noted several times behind the electonic console in the lobby that the building guards use to monitor security, the elevators, etc., and he was inspecting the control panel closely. This is not necessary for simply emptying trash cans, folks.

There was a reason the Founders put the second amendment in the Bill of Rights. So we can protect ourselves. My thanks to those who gave advice on appropriate protection devices with which to guard home and family.

Stop Terrorism! Surrender Now!

#189 once and future angeleno

Sure, I'll jump on that one:

First gun: Shotgun, 12ga pump or 12ga auto if you're small-framed, not very strong, or disabled.

I want 20 gauges to disappear, personally, but that's a long story. The 12ga can literally do everything a 20 ga can do, only better - INCLUDING low-recoil loads (Fed Tactical or others). If you buy a 20ga now, you'll probably buy a 12ga later, so skip the middleman.

On the other hand, don't start shooting with magnum loads right away. :) Buy quality - Remingon, Winchester. I like Mossberg but the safety system is non-standard, so it's one or the other.

Handguns - I am SO off the revolver bandwagon, but if you want one you can hardly beat the Taurus 357s for options, quality or price. They even have an 8-shot 357 revolver.

Semi-autos do take a little more training. Glock is good. Your first should probably be a 9mm because it's cheap, plentiful, and easy to shoot. If you were only going to ever have one gun it should be a 45. Here again I break my own advice - my favorite caliber is 10mm auto, but it's not as common as 45, though it has a slight power edge even on the 357.

FIRST get training. Sign up for a class. Ask them if they have rental guns. Probably train first with a revolver, then with a semi-auto - it's not that expensive.

THEN go to a range that rents guns - try out as many as you can get your hands on.

THEN worry about which one to buy.

THEN get more training. :)

Probably conspiring on how to ensure Iraq is a failure.

Here is the theme of the Muslim Brotherhood movement

Theme

Allah is our objective.
The messenger is our leader.
Quran is our law.
Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

[Link: www.ummah.net...]

Some day, when historians seek to piece together the story of how the Salafist jihadists acquired legitimacy in the Western world, they should be sure to take notice of the leadership of the Democrats in Congress visiting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Jihad is our way.
Dying in the way of Allah is our highest hope.

Why is our Democrat leadership helping this jihadist movement make inroads into gaining influence in Western civilization? Why is our Democrat leadership helping this movement gain legitimacy and more power?

re #224, herer are the stated goals. Look at the last three goals to see what is eventually in store.

Main objectives

A huge tree of "sub-goals" branches from these main objectives which are derived from the Quran and the tradition of the prophet (pbuh) [3,4]:

1- Building the Muslim individual: brother or sister with a strong body, high manners, cultured thought, ability to earn, strong faith, correct worship, conscious of time, of benefit to others, organized, and self-struggling character [3].
2- Building the Muslim family: choosing a good wife (husband), educating children Islamicaly, and inviting other families.
3- Building the Muslim society (thru building individuals and families) and addressing the problems of the society realistically.
4- Building the Muslim state.
5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states).
6- Mastering the world with Islam.

Go to the last three to see what support of the Muslim Brotherhood means in terms of ultimate goals:

4- Building the Muslim state.
5- Building the Khilafa (basically a shape of unity between the Islamic states).
6- Mastering the world with Islam.

Building the Muslim state. This is a state where, according to the Ikhwan, book and sword are united, and mosque and state are united. It is an Islamofascist state.

Building the Khilafa. That's the Caliphate. It's an integration of the Islamofascist states, an Islamofascist union. The Caliph is the one who will declare Jihad, that will be binding on all Muslims.

Mastering the world with Islam. That is, Sharia will rule the world, and the Islamofascist Caliphate will conquer the world.

What has gotten into the heads of the Democrat leadership in the House that they should be helping to give legitimacy to a movement with these goals?

"Would you apply that same reasoning to Neville Chamberlain? Did it really do no harm to talk to him? I know trotting out the example of him and hitler is overused, but in this case it really does apply. These countries, like syria and iran are not merely "non-allies" they are our enemies sworn to our destruction. Yes, talking to them does hurt, unless it is to tell them to straighten up or get smacked, anything less is appeasing, which does great harm indeed."

Yeah, I would apply the same reasoning. In fact, you admit the same reasoning. The simple act of talking to Hitler didn't cause the harm. The harm came when the result of those talks was Chamberlain's appeasement, giving up Czechoslovakia, etcetera. That's an -action- that causes harm.

By the way, I know that you acknowledged how overused the Hitler, Chamberlain, Churchill, comparisons are, but that doesn't change the fact that they are overused, and here you're overusing them again. Not everything comes back to H, C, and C. The situation today is not at all similar, except perhaps that they both involve violent conflict and dogmatic thinking--traits that are characteristic of all conflict.

Lordy, the hits keep on coming... A Republican campaign commercial to be aired following the Pelosie misadventure titled "How to lie to a terrorist enabeling chinless dictator and look like a tool": "How I became BFF with the MB" starring Steny 'who me' Hoyer.
"You can't *pay* for entertainment like this" but if the Republicans utilize YouTube they can sure make the Democrates pay, large.

In 185:

"Your very first post establishes your undisputed credentials as an absolute moron. Citing the Iraq Study Group as an authority for anything other than the osculation of Saudi posteriors, marks you as a fool, and a disseminater of disinformation.

In short, get lost. Go back to your L3 blogs, where your asinine views are welcomed, and encouraged.

We do not suffer fools, of you ilk, kindly."

I understand that it might be appealingly easy for you to call me a 'moron,' claim that the conclusions of the Iraq Study Group are irrelevant because of sympathy to the Saudi's (at least that's what you seem to be saying), and then tell me to go back to my L3 blogs, whatever those are.

But you didn't address the substance of my criticism, or provide any basis for your own claims.

I also find it amusing that I'm asked to provide some background so that people will know where I'm 'coming from.' In other words, I should declare association with the hated 'liberals,' and then my arguments can be dismissed out of hand.

The AP is reporting today Steny Hoyer did not arrange a meeting with the Muslim Brotherhood guy. Hoyer says he didn't know Mohammed Saad el-Katatni was going to be at the reception. Both el-Katatni and Hoyer had been invited to the reception by the speaker of Egypt's parliament (a guy from Mubarak's party).

People can draw their own conclusions, but Charles owes it to his readers to post notice of Hoyer's reax to the original story.