I wonder if they'll do a Charlie Manson or O.J. memorial when the time comes.

This has got to be some kind of sick joke.

That is officially the sickest website I've ever seen

Mourn away you idiot.

That post is beyond the pale. Do they have any judgment at all?

If you think this is sick, youre gonna toss your cookies by what the kos kids do when we kill bin ladin.

Just when you think these filthy idiots have hit rock bottom... They go lower.

I mourn that guys life...I mourn that he was ever born. Miserable piece of human detritus.

Hard to feel sorry for someone who let his sickness turn him into a mass murderer, rather than let the people around him help fight that sickness.

sunsabitches

It happens every single time...the evil murderer becomes the victim.

Sorry, I'm usually a little more eloquent, but this is beyond words.

I'm loggin' off and going to bed. This thread has made me sick beyond description.

Whacko.

Anybody who can't have fun on a University Campus has a lot of problems with social skill!

Dumb@$$ muthaf*ckas.

I wish Charles hadn't put that picture up there. I'm really sick of looking at him.

Not surprising that lefties identify and sympathize with deranged lunatics.

I wonder how many female kostards would have offered to marry him if he had lived.

No words to describe this at all.
As Trout said, will there be a memorial thread for Manson?
Bundy?
Bonnie and Clyde?
and many others who have slaughtered the innocent without remorse.

Kos, please rethink your insensitivity to the families of those devastated by this jackass.

I can't seem to get to bed. :)

There is a misguided compassion at work on the left. I am trying to figure out why that is. Perhaps its the never-ending battle for the seeming underdog? The value of the losers as opposed to the achievers? The plight of the 'dis-enfranchised'?

Surely it is NOT born of the compassion for souls found within the religious community, because this value of the life of the soul is missing in other debates, notably life issues such as abortion and euthanasia. These souls are disposable, and un-mourned on the left.

So it is something else. Perhaps it is an identification with evil, and the recognition within themselves that they too are unhinged, they too are enraged, they too are outsiders and losers and under-achievers.

The left is the culture of grievances, and who is more aggrieved than a kid that was bullied and laughed at? How many on the left do you think were bullied and laughed at and picked last for dodge-ball? My guess is quite a large percentage.

So in Cho, they see themselves, and see how close they themselves are to the very dangerous line that he crossed. His life is their life, and so they mourn it. And admire it.

It was only a matter of time.

Birds of a feather...

Maybe this can be used in the 2008 Election when the Dems show solidarity with that site.

No excuse for this inexcusable crime, period.

Get a life, and assist the real victims.

His pathetic doomed and dead ass has my sympathy, for part of a single heartbeat.

Tiny violins doesn't express my disgust for this loser. Sure, he was insane, but he wasn't without the ability to know right from wrong, and he's in hell.

And I'm not. I hope he burns for eternity. It's (I'm sure) exactly what he wanted. We shouldn't deny anyone their destiny.

Whatever Kos - wallow in it.

The KosKidz have so much sympathy precisely because so many of them are losers like Cho. End of story.

Seung-Hui Cho,[Adolf Hitler, Charlie Manson, Pol Pot, Jeffrey Dahmer, Dean Korl] as he called himself, was a young man locked in Hades for decades. His death began long before the day of infamy. He longed for comfort and company. All he received was chiding. Even in death, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned. I am forlorn.

...lovable and fragile..."

That's supposed to be satire, right?

Betsy, get a grip!

Idiots like that are just trying to demonstrate they are better then us because they don't share our "primitive" impulses such as anger. They are above it. Until their eleven year old turns her cell phone off.

I hope that KT girds his loins, gets prayed up, etc. He goes into the belly of that beast a lot.

How much did NBC redact of the writings he sent? They've chopped it up quite a bit. Seems they've released only the Leftie push-buttons: poor, poor, pitiful me.
This stuff sounds like the "Tolerance" workshops favored by the NEA-types.
I don't know where his guy went to school, but Americans are far more tolerant of "different" than say, the Koreans or Japanese.
As usual, the Left will construct an aritficial personnage with the name of the real one, but fabricate/discuss/debate the phoney creature, just a vehicle for Leftie ideas, and ignore the grossness of the original.

MW:

There is a misguided compassion at work on the left. I am trying to figure out why that is. Perhaps its the never-ending battle for the seeming underdog? The value of the losers as opposed to the achievers? The plight of the 'dis-enfranchised'?

The left's never seen a loser they didn't love, because when they stare in that face it's a mirror they see.

What number 15 said.

I happen to agree with this koskid "Mia Dolan" when she writes in response to the kiddies' disagreeing with the picture at the top of the diary:

What it needs

is flames around his head to show the special place in hell where this monster is right now.

Seung-Hui Cho, as he called himself, was a young man locked in Hades for decades.

All two of them?

Idiot.

WTF is wrong with those people?

This is the thought-process of Liberals -

Even in death, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned. I am forlorn.

This is the thought-process of Conservatives -

Because of his actions, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned. I am sympathetic to his victims.

/get your victims straight here, please

From something posted on the other thread about a woman forgiving her husbands' murderer...I just can't get my mind around this. As I see it the only one who can forgive the murderer for his act is the victim. His wife can forgive him for causing her heartache, pain brought on by the loss of her husband, but not for the murder...that right to forgive rests with the victim, and G-d.

#19 mama winger

The Left defines itself by being against "the Establishment," whatever the Establishment of the hour is to them. I'm frankly surprised that more of them haven't lauded Cho for "taking a stand" against:

- The White Establishment
- The Wealthy Establishment
- The Christian Establishment
- The Traditional Higher Education Establishment

Not that his chaotic mind was actually able to take a real stand on or against anything. All he could do was grasp at straws in an effort to create some semblance of order in his head. But gosh, the rhetoric he used about privileged "brats" and "snobs" sure sounded like traditional Leftist class envy to me.

#29 cbinflux
I drink, there's no need to gird thine loins.

your forlorn?

Go fuck yourself asshole

I'm sorry. But this needs to be said and I really don't give a damn who it offends.

Many of those pukes at KOS are about one step below Cho. It's not that they're anti-American. They're anti-anything worth any redeeming value. Anybody that would post something as vulgar and repulsive as this is way beyond hope. Can you imagine if one of the family members gets wind of this picture? How would you feel if you were the mother of one of the victims and logged on to see this?

Most of the KKKos crowd is no different that Fred Phelps and his ilk. They are of no redeeming value to anyone, including their own families, and they ought to be destroyed.

The drinking thread was better.

Screw 'em

Charles,
The past few screenshots you've done have included the Dkos banner across the top. I think it helps drive the point home.
/Just a humble sugestion

I have to forgive him.

It's now official and irrefutable: Kos is psychotic.

Didn't the Kos Kiddies get their panties in a wad when Saddam was executed?

Expect the same from them when we kill Osama Bin Laden also.

16 rw

Ditto.

Someone on the thread below suggested that these same people might feel sorry for Manson. Well, they do. I have met people who defended him with "He never actually killed anybody, man". I'm not too suprised by this, actually. Any horrific insanity can be distorted into an indictment of our government or our society by these idiots. They would also (and basically sort of do) defend Qutb for his homicidal rage over the haircuts. (from the thread even further below)

#42 mama winger
Sorry 'bout that.

#47 Sage

Didn't the Kos Kiddies get their panties in a wad when Saddam was executed?

That's right! Misplaced compassion. Evil loves the evil, and hates the good.

I drinketh, there's no need to gird thine loins.

You compare Alec Baldwin's kid to this guy? What the hell is wrong with you?!

/that's only slightly rhetorical

My heart aches. Of course I mourn the passing of the thirty-two Virginia Polytechnic University students, as do we all throughout the globe.

She obviously has not consulted the Virginia Tech Muslim Students' Association.

Those people at that hatefilled site make me sick.

No doubt Hillary is calculating how to make money off this tragedy.

Eh...

Sounds like someone is just trying to jerk people's chains.

I wouldn't pay any attention, Charles.

Let sleeping dogs lie.

~Norsk Troll

#50 Spoiler

That's okay - you can't help it that you stink. It's not your fault. You were an outcast as a child. No one ever picked you for their team. No one invited you to birthday parties. It's not your fault that you bring stinkiness wherever you go.

well long day, and it's a release weekend, so I'm going to try to get some sleeps before the inevitable call. G'nite all.

Goodnight Thanos. Have a good rest.

#54 abolitionist
WOW!
Charles, the bell is ringing. Link to that!

One of the saddest elements is that the killer, who sees himself and beseeches us to see him as a victim, was so self-absorbed that he failed to see the dozens of true victims that day.

And while we follow his story, it goes beyond foolish to identify with it and buy into these sensitivities of a sociopathic mas murderer.

#3 godwrestler

Wow. What a nic...are you a Jacob...? :)

Seung-Hui Cho, as he called himself, was a young man locked in Hades for decades. His death began long before the day of infamy. He longed for comfort and company. All he received was chiding. Even in death, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned. I am forlorn.

Jesus H. Christ!

I love it when I get to coin a new term.

How about this: Stockholm Syndrome by Proxy

This is progress for kos; a whole diary and nobody's blamed the Jews for anything.

/yet

He should have begun his morning with the shot to his head.

Instead of murdering 32 good people and then doing it.

Funny - not a word (yet) about the Iraq war from the Cho. I trust the LLL'i have looked but come up empty.

#45 experienced traveller

I have to forgive him.

Why? What did he do to you?

Sorry...I'm just not eloquent at all.
I salute you Betsy

Clinton campaign goes 'carbon neutral'

"We all must act — and that includes our campaign," the Democratic front-runner said in a statement Friday.

The campaign said it would take several steps to conserve energy, such as buying 100 percent recycled paper products, installing motion-controlled lights and purchasing carbon offsets through Native Energy, a Vermont-based company that produces renewable energy.

/well now, isn't that just special

#15 Noam Sayin'
Dumb Murthafuckers. Corrected.

#14 dak 4/20/2007 8:55:44 pm PDT

Whacko.

Anybody who can't have fun on a University Campus has a lot of problems with social skill!

Uhm...dak?

I didn't have fun while on my University Campus.

.../'course, I'm an engineer, so that should explain a lot.

Lots of work and no play make Jack...and plenty of it!

~Norsk TRoll

#52 cbinflux
I stand corrected.

Sick scum. Kos, you suck, and so do your sheeple followers.

#19 mama winger

I hereby declare you a soul of common sense, insight and virtue. "The left is the culture of grievances..." Now that is a truism if ever there was. Wonderful writing!

Of course I mourn the passing of the thirty-two Virginia Polytechnic University students

This Kosack moron doesn't understand the difference between 'passing' and 'murdered'. But I guess that's the least of its problems.

Perhaps, America has let the Cho family down. They expected so much, all Americans do.

I guess giving these people a chance to live their lives in the freest country in the world wasn't enough. No, somehow 'America' should have done something about their deranged son.

(BTW-I have tremendous sympathy for the killer's family, they have lost a son/brother and will likely live with the shame of what he did and guilt for what they might have done for the rest of their lives).

But of course, in the warped world of the Kos Kids everything is America's fault.

It's hard to believe there are people this stupid in the world, but there they are.

Even in death, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned. I am forlorn.

This really is a deranged individual. Is there some kind of contest over there to see who can come up with the most "liberal" way to distort this?

Mother Shoots Toy Gun at Kindergarten Class
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

CHURCH HILL, Tenn. —

A mother of a kindergarten student was charged with assault Thursday and banned from a school after officials said she walked into a classroom, pointed a toy gun at students and pulled the trigger several times.

The incident happened Tuesday, a day after the shootings at Virginia Tech, and scared teachers and students.

Church Hill police and Hawkins County school officials met with Heather Nicole Berg, 26, earlier Thursday before charging her with misdemeanor assault. She was already banned from Church Hill Elementary School for one year.

Berg had a "silver toy cap gun," police said.

"A staff member and several children initially thought the gun was real and were fearful," police chief Mark Johnson and detective Dustin Dean said in a press release.

Police said they could not release details of Berg's statement about why she had the gun at the school.

"Nevertheless, Berg's actions constituted a monumental lapse in judgment," the release said. "After completing the interview and consulting with the DA's office, we have charged Berg with assault. It is our contention that her actions caused others to 'reasonably fear imminent bodily injury."'

School officials said the woman and another small child went to her student's classroom to pay for an upcoming field trip [but she was banned, remember]?, and the incident happened when the teacher turned around to log in the payment.

"The mom walked in toward the middle of the classroom, and the teacher heard this click, click, click, click -- like four to six times," school principal Jean Heise said. "A teacher's assistant witnessed her take a gun and point it directly toward four to five kids. With everything that's happened the last couple of days, she (the assistant) was just in shock."

She then left with the small child and took the gun with her.

Heise immediately called the police. Later, she apologized to the principal and said, "I didn't mean any harm," Heise said.

Berg was set to appear in Hawkins County General Sessions Court in Rogersville on April 30. If convicted, she could face up to a year in prison and a maximum fine of $2,500.

Church Hill is about nine miles west of Kingsport, along the Virginia border.

I might have felt somewhat sorry for him if he hadn't gone and killed 32 innocent people but got help instead.

So, sorry, no sympathy here.

I take that back...I'm not sorry.

I wish none of this happened. I wish Cho were still alive today along with the other 32. They were all humans, and the loss of their life is equally saddening.

Crap!

My heart aches. Of course I mourn the passing of the thirty-two Virginia Polytechnic University students, as do we all throughout the globe.

BUT...

She follows perfect leftist format:

quick blurb to show I'm human--> big but (tehe)-->what I really want to say

#28 Europhobe

Idiots like that are just trying to demonstrate they are better then us because they don't share our "primitive" impulses such as anger. They are above it. Until their eleven year old turns her cell phone off.

Frankly, you are right on target, so to speak. It is all about me ... how Cho felt and how Baldwin felt, what Cho would do to gain control and what Baldwin is about to do to gain control ... really, imho, very very similar. Obviously at a different level but, when you are only thinking about yourself and that the world revolves around you, humanity and fatherhood get lost in the confusion of your own needs. No SHAME or RESPONSIBILITY here... only self.

/prayers strength for Cho's family and all the victims at VT. And prayers for the family re: Baldwin/Bassinger and most importantly their daughter.

Something smells weird about this...

...and I'm a troll!

I think this was put up to goad people and Charles is one of the sensitive people who fell for it.

It's nice to see that you have feelings of a normal human, Charles.

I wouldn't take it to heart, though.

~Norsk Troll

I got beat up a lot in middle school...chased up and down the stairs on my way to class...usually by the same kids that were my friends in elementary school.

Odd that I was able to go on and get an MBA and become a successful businessman, not a notorious asshole who snuffed lives with promise in a heinous act of selfishness and deranged self-gratification.

This bullcrap about longing for "comfort and company" is just a bunch of hooey. The Columbine kids were not "scorned" either. They were unmonitored and enabled. This crappy-headed Cho is currently burning in hell for his crimes. I'm sure the company of demons is all the comforting to which he's entitled.

My prayers are with those who've lost loved ones. May they rest in peace, and may their survivors be comforted.

Who are we to judge?

Bcgntn -- The person who wrote this drivel that I've excerpted some below...is about as dumb as a rock.

Of course I mourn the passing of the thirty-two Virginia Polytechnic University students, as do we all throughout the globe. Nevertheless, I cannot forget how my heart hurts for the thirty-third victim, the one the media never seems to count among those killed, Seung-Hui Cho. On April 16, 2007 thirty-three lovable and fragile individuals passed.

Unreal garbage. You mourn for perps who take out the innocents.

The system or lack of social services in the United states let this man slide through many a crack.

Why is it the system that fails the perp? This victim mentality is just killing our country...it's all up to someone else when it comes to the perp who planned a crime and carried it out.

Seung-Hui Cho and his parents were hoping to find streets paved in gold in America.

Actually, his parents were hard workers from what I read and I somehow do not think they expected streets paved with Gold, unlike some of the liberals born with a gold spoon in their mouth. The murderous perp had every opportunity to live the life his parents came here to give him...he chose NOT to. Yes, he made the choice.

Some say he was paranoid, obsessively anxious, or unreasonably suspicious. Perhaps he was.

Perhaps? Why don't you take some time and read what these people experienced first hand? He didn't belong in a university setting period. Going to school and college is a priviledge not an absolute right.

That's one hell of a way to start a debate, that's for sure.

Wow, that is absolutely amazing. I'm speechless. Every day, stories on this site discuss feminists who defend Muslim wife-beating, peace-and-tolerance liberals defending religion-based defending, and every Jew in America supporing the second holocaust. But this one takes the cake. Those Kos people are absolutely 100% off their collective rocker.

Well, some of them, anyway. I looked through their comments until I couldn't stomach them any more, and it seemed like nearly half were along the lines of "WTF."

Nope, I just love God, i used to be a wrestler and then I read the Bible, learned about Jacob/ Israel and the story struck me Although I eventually submitted to HIM

#79 St P

Crap!

Nicely put. Not too wordy and straight to the point.

I am forlorn to hear that, before Cho shot at a group of students, their professor, also holocaust survivor, dove in front of the bullets and gave his life. Anyone that sides with this man, even with his mental illness, should suffer the same fate he did.

Koskid quotes Slate siting the Asian American Journalists Association:

"The Asian version of the name - Cho Seung-Hui - appeared to be more widespread, in part because of its use in the ubiquitous wire stories from Reuters and the AP. As a result, some Korean-Americans felt media groups were playing up Cho's foreign-ness, according to the Asian American Journalists Association, which advised reporters to use the American order."

We're so racist that when we follow other culture's name order customs, it must mean we're drawing attention to their "foreign-ness." Good frakin' gravy. I've worked with people from all over the globe, even recommended and helped bring aboard a Korean-American coworker from a former employer to my then-new employer (he earned more than I). I'll be the first to admit that my reaction would have been different if this had been a Pakistani, but after a few days of "notes" from the AAJA, I want to ask:

Can someone from the Asian American Journalists Association please dry clean my frakin' suit? Thank you.

Sympathize with mass murders...

It's the Kos way!

Betsy's heart hurts for the assassin. A whole diatribe on the poor little misunderstood, unloved foreign guy, just trying to be an American and nobody'd let him.

But according to her he's the Most American Of Us All. Just expressing his hatred for this racist, uncaring society we have here in America.

I hope Betsy grows up someday, or visits a foriegn country and begins to figure out why people die trying to come here.

USA!

Much as I have issues with my parents, I thank the stars nearly every day that I wasn't raised as a "progressive" kook.

#67 rw in san diego

He offended my humanity.

I usually don't cross-post, but I just posted about this blogger on a below thread after gathering some info.

I did a little research on the writer, since she is over the top. That story is posted all over the place on left-wing sites, and most of the comments are of the "are you insane" variety, I'm happy to see.

Public information - not revealing anything, as she posts under her full name. Betsy L. Angert, age apx 52. Appears to reside in Boca Raton, FL - posts as such on Florida political blogs - is against the state song (I hate it when people pick on Stephen Foster). Is all touchy feely and smug about it. Here is an example:

This morning, as I rose, I was reminded, of racism and how prevalent it is in America. I have been aware of this all of my life.

! I can see Kate Hepburn reciting that in her "the calla lillies are in bloom again" voice.

Posts all over the place.

A society that is this morally inverted will not long survive. Something will survive, but it will not be a world that thinks such thinking is "advanced."

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

#88 Godwrestler

Ah! Thank you. :)

89 rw in san diego
Lol! So true.
Why waste too many words on these infantile Kozkiddie threads?

Let's elevate everyting that is evil and devalue everything that is good and then we never have to make a judgement, discriminate, or think rationally ever again.

Ohferchrissakes.

Now I've seen everything. Empathy for a sociopath who never felt any for anyone his whole life. Kosland is DEFINITELY a "evil Spock with a goatee" alternate universe.

All who are made to be compassionate in the place of the cruel 
in the end are made to be cruel in the place of the compassionate

The Talmud

OT- here's another ugly mug they can feel sorry for. You've been warned.

#97 Bill Whittle
Where do you see it now?

No doubt this gun blasting people killing piece of shit will be a hero to some...

In the blog world you should keep track of who likes him, and who doesn't.

16 RW in SD

I too am sick of his face & I don't even have a TV.

#94 William

Thanks for posting that link to the Dan Rather vid. I put it up as a thread topic over at Powerline.

Good Lord in Heaven above, those people are truly sick twists. They're actually engaging that a$$clown in a conversation about the MERITS of his diary entry.

And to think they make up half of the electorate . . .

The Holocaust survivor who saved a classroom

Raanana, Israel and Jerusalem - Liviu Librescu had faced danger before. He survived the Holocaust to be persecuted under the regime of Romanian dictator Nicolae Ceausescu for requesting to immigrate to Israel.

On Monday, the professor was confronted with another kind of threat.

#100 kite_eating_tree 4/20/2007 9:31:25 pm PDT

Let's elevate everyting that is evil and devalue everything that is good and then we never have to make a judgement, discriminate, or think rationally ever again.

uhhh...

Let's not and say we did, hmmm?

#96 Nice work Cattt - she's © everything too. Kinda dumped it in there like a grenade. Didn't really stick around to chat either.

#97 Bill Whittle

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

There is a bottom, we just ain't ther yet. Stay tuned.

I hope we know where he will be buried at so I can make a trip to piss on this monsters grave.

"All he received was chiding."

Yes, because of the mean and uncaring students' childing of Mr. Cho for his anti-social behavior, school administrators and counselors should have counteracted this meanness and incivility by simply giving Mr. Cho a big Time Out and Group Hug, as if he were just another troubled and rambunctious 'lil youngster. That behavioral modification and display of affection would have surely snapped Mr. Cho out of his funk, and back into the VT campus community.

/dripping wet sarcasm
/Kos Kidz Moral Compass

#96 Cattt

I usually don't cross-post, but I just posted about this blogger on a below thread after gathering some info.

I did a little research on the writer, since she is over the top. That story is posted all over the place on left-wing sites, and most of the comments are of the "are you insane" variety, I'm happy to see.

Thanks Cattt -

KARL " you magnificent bastard", you did it again !

/pssst - you know, the Rove man ... havin' fun on Friday ! Giving KOS hell again 'eh ?

No, not forlorn, turdy-ass disgusting...

I wonder if they would have the same sympathy if it were them staring down the barrel of his weapon.

Even in death he is scorned...
The Kostard lunatics find this surprising? Killing 32 people before offing yourself is pretty much a 100% goddam guarantee.

Some of the little children are projecting again:

speaking of Republicans... (1+ / 0-)
Recommended by:Mia Dolan

this is, in a funny way, the mirror image of what some of them are saying.

"Us": Sorry about the kids who got shot but the killer, now there's someone who needs sympathy. Let's honor him in death.

Them: Sorry about the kids who got shot but the killer, now there's someone who had guts and wasn't a scared sissy.

by Shahryar on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 09:13:37 PM PDT

WTFF? Ah, Shahryar, you're a lyin' sack of shit.

That is all.

Ms. Angert no doubt feels vastly superior to the killer's own grandfather, Cho Seung-Hui, who called the killer a son of a bitch and said he was glad he is dead, or his great aunt, Kim Yang-Sun, who expressed similar feelings (using similar terms) and who also said Cho had always been cold and emotionless, even as a child. And silent.

Basically, we've got a bad, bad seed here.

#86 ChenZhen
St. P and Mamma Winger (among others) can attest to the fact that the komments were 90%-95% positive before this became a thread on LGF.

#103 mjazzguitar

What a terrible story. Unfortunately, I don't think it's all that rare. These incidents are the products of a really sick society.

I guess the victims had it comin'

121 Killgore Trout
Yep, and the first picture was a real doozy too.

I still cannot stand the Dalai Lama pose on this one.

#97 Bill Whittle

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

The Left is a bottomless pit of malignant narcissism.

Glad to see you back, by the way.

#97 Bill Whittle

I like to think that only half of us are morally inverted. Albeit the loud half.

Whittle!

Love your work, dude.

Can't wait for part III.

#124 St. Pancake
I really don't see this one as any less offensive as the original. Do you?

#122 rw in san diego
Not rare at all. Honor killings are common in the middle east.

#19 Mama,

Excellent post.

97 Bill Whittle

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

Could it be that their thinking is so vacuous that there is no bottom, just an eternal abyss?

#112 Killgore Trout 4/20/2007 9:38:04 pm PDT

#97 Bill Whittle

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

There is a bottom, we just ain't ther yet. Stay tuned.

Uhhh...Captain Killgore?

We're approaching terminal velocity, sir.

Shoud I fire the retro rockets now, sir?

Sir?

Trout
Just as offensive.

#5 rw in san diego 4/20/2007 8:52:56 pm PDT

That post is beyond the pale. Do they have any judgment at all?

Nope!

Cho was a sociopath...I read somewhere that he even had the pyro criterion. He missed on the "lack of planning", but he doesn't have to hit 100&

I suspect that the KOS kidz have a soft spot for sociopathy

#121 Killgore Trout

Do Charles' hamsters run faster on the wheel, in an attempt to escape, when they detect that you have so valiantly gone dumpster diving yet again ? :)

The koskids are demented.

Crap, now they will be wearing Che and Cho t-shirts.

#97 Bill Whittle

I keep waiting for the bottom. But there is no bottom.

Oh, there's a bottom all right.

My problem is I keep thinking we've already hit it, and then BOOM! Another one!

After we've been going uphill for a couple of decades, then we'll have the perspective to see where the bottom was.

Trust me, I know bottoms. :)

Good night, all. Every time I refresh I have to see that psycho murderers face and I've had all I can take.

I am forlorn.

Hi Forlorn, I'm Murqy, and I'm sorry he didn't commit suicide. I find it disgusting he had to spread his life locked in Hades for decades with those other kids.

Now go back to posting death wishes on the POTUS and the VP, fuckwit.

I think the Kos Kids are instinctively drawn to the dark side. What else could explain the affection and affinity for Cho - the mass murderer?

132 EtNorskTroll
Wait for the Dilithium crytals to cascade into the Overhotlz simulator array. Charge photon toredpoes and hold until the negative ions reach at least 2 parts per millioin; then unleash hell.

If the KosKid who wrote that nonsense wants to do something meaningful, they should volunteer to be a mentor for some other mentally disturbed young person. Or at least stop bemoaning why no one else ever befriended Voldemort.

I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor.

What was that video clip awhile back? "Progressives" hate discrimination. You discriminate when you make decisions between good and evil, right and wrong, honorable actions and selfish, ect.
Thus, for the Progressive, the good must be torn down and the bad uplifted, the line between right and wrong must be blurred into meaninglessness. To take a stand means (for the L3's) that you think you are better than those who choose otherwise or not at all. They cant stand that. That is why Progressives will always stand by the side of evil and attack the good, why they will mock honorable actions and make excuses for cowards.

And its why we MUST vote in the next election. In the end Progressives are more dangerous than the Jihadi's. The Jihadi's want to kill us, the Progressives want them to succeed.

The author of that is a genuine peice of shit.

Cho t-shirts on the way? Maybe Che on the front and Cho on the back.

#121 Killgore Trout 4/20/2007 9:41:46 pm PDT

St. P and Mamma Winger (among others) can attest to the fact that the komments were 90%-95% positive before this became a thread on LGF.

Was there some sort of standard I wasn't aware of? LOL

Charles..please take this photo off. I cannot stand looking at this evil man. Couldn't even watch the news the other day...he is the epitome of evil. Don't give him, or the Kos kids, what they want.

#82 ETNorsktroll,

Something smells weird about this...

...and I'm a troll!

I think this was put up to goad people and Charles is one of the sensitive people who fell for it.

What difference does it make whether done in "jest" or some idiot? Either way, is shows a sociopathic personality and is incredibly hurtful to the remaining victims. We're not talking politics or even a difference of ideas here. Who is the culprit and who are the victims doesn't need definition in this case and should be abundantly clear to all. And if done in jest or to bait as you suggestion, it shows a vicious, empty soul.

Oh damn. My glory is stolen by carbon footprint.

#141 Killgore Trout 4/20/2007 9:49:17 pm PDT

132 EtNorskTroll
Wait for the Dilithium crytals to cascade into the Overhotlz simulator array. Charge photon toredpoes and hold until the negative ions reach at least 2 parts per millioin; then unleash hell.

"Aye, Captain~!"

*Norsk Troll gets ready to turn on "The View" with Rosie O'Donell*

Wow. I have a comment adjacent to a Bill Whittle comment. Neato!

Mr. Whittle, you rock.

Noam

I know you got something strong you cann pass down the way. This shit calls for somethin heavier than my 12 pack.

/Bill Whittle is in the house!

You know, there's a Gnostic / Buddhist / New Agey idea that's been around a while that everyone is here to perform some vital function, either in their own small circle or in a larger sense. That makes all those terrible people "teachers" rather than simply evil.

It's an odd mindset, but there is a certain sense to it.

Especially since most of the people I've known who hold that philosophy think the lesson is to fight evil, and not to just hope someone else will do it for you - thus the suffering. The lesson to take a away from VT is the same lesson as 9/11 - passivity enables evil.

It's like some all-powerful entity is slapping it's forehead and saying "HELLO! What is so DIFFICULT about this idea?!?!"

As to memorializing a spree killer, well, that's just sick, but it's the kind of thing we expect (or should expect) from the nutroots. I mean, they've already genuflected to Islamic terrorists and neo-NAZIs.

#82 EtNorskTroll 4/20/2007 9:22:34 pm PDT

Something smells weird about this...

...and I'm a troll!

I think this was put up to goad people and Charles is one of the sensitive people who fell for it.

It's nice to see that you have feelings of a normal human, Charles.

I wouldn't take it to heart, though.

~Norsk Troll

Ms. Angert may be passive/aggressive, but trust me - she is quite serious. I just spent 45 boring, eye-rolling minutes researching her in depth. She has left snail tracks all over the Internet.

OT time, sorry ... a junior college in Minnesota is putting in special prayer facilities for Muslim students ...

Is college using a double standard on 'entanglement' with religion?

Cultural clashes involving Islam have recently made headlines in Minnesota. At the airport, some Muslim taxi drivers refuse to transport passengers carrying alcohol; at Target stores, some Muslim cashiers won't scan pork products. Now there's a new point of friction: Minneapolis Community and Technical College.

Its officials say the college, a public institution, has a strict policy of not promoting religion or favoring one religion over another. "The Constitution prevents us from doing this in any form," says Dianna Cusick, director of legal affairs.

But that seems to depend on your religion.

Where Christianity is concerned, the college goes to great lengths to avoid any hint of what the courts call "entanglement" or support of the church. Yet the college is planning to install facilities for Muslims to use in preparing for daily prayers, an apparent first at a public institution in Minnesota.
...
Muslim prayer is an increasingly controversial issue. Many Muslim students use restroom sinks to wash their feet before prayer. Other students have complained, and one Muslim student fell and injured herself while lifting her foot out of a sink.

Some local Muslim leaders have advised the college staff that washing is not a required practice for students under the circumstances, according to Davis. Nevertheless, he says, he wants to facilitate it for interested students. "It's like when someone comes to your home, you want to be hospitable," Davis told me. "We have new members in our community coming here; we want to be hospitable."

Now I am excited and all over this. Just think, new foot basins for everyone to use!

[also: Ritual-washing area for Muslims at MCTC may be only the beginning and Public Minnesota College to Install Foot-Washing Basins for Muslim Students.]

}:)

#149 goodbye_natalie 4/20/2007 9:51:49 pm PDT

#82 ETNorsktroll,

Something smells weird about this...

...and I'm a troll!

I think this was put up to goad people and Charles is one of the sensitive people who fell for it.

What difference does it make whether done in "jest" or some idiot? Either way, is shows a sociopathic personality and is incredibly hurtful to the remaining victims. We're not talking politics or even a difference of ideas here. Who is the culprit and who are the victims doesn't need definition in this case and should be abundantly clear to all. And if done in jest or to bait as you suggestion, it shows a vicious, empty soul.

I agree, Goodbye~!

It's just that I don't want to give this guy who wrote it the payoff he so desperately wants: attention.

Same for Cho: I don't want him getting what he wanted so badly, either (i.e. attention from NBC).

In the case of Cho, however, I have a twofold reason--if Cho gets lots of coverage, it will encourage another nut to do the same.

I say we focus on the families and the courageous man like Mr. Libieu Librescous and forget about Cho.

Cho is now SINCERLEY sorry for what he did on Monday. Let's leave him with his Judge and focus on those who merit our attention.

Just my $0.02

~Norsk Troll

Good article from the NY Sun re Cho.

Privacy and anti-discrimination laws have meant paralysis in the face of the scarily insane.

You could blame the Blacksburg, Va., massacre on many things. You could blame it on too many guns, or not enough guns. You could blame it on school security officials who, after two lay dead in a campus dormitory, failed to warn anyone that a murderous killer was on the prowl. You could blame it on the lonely misfit himself, that perennial sociological figure who carries around his heavy heart of darkness until he can't keep it inside any longer.

You could also blame a legal juggernaut that adds up to paralysis in the face of the deranged and dangerous. Consider: Cho Seung-Hui was so clearly mentally disturbed that just about everyone who looked him in the eye all but ran screaming in the other direction. The twisted, blood-soaked essays he wrote for his English class scared the bejesus out of his fellow students — and remember that these are kids suckled on video games like Grand Theft Auto and movies such as "Reservoir Dogs."

The poet Nikki Giovanni, one of Cho's teachers, says that students were so terrified of him that many stopped coming to class. Classmates wondered aloud if he'd turn out to be a school-shooter; a professor called the campus police to tell them that they had a homicidal maniac on their beat. Another English teacher who decided to work alone with him was scared enough that she and her assistant devised a secret code in case she needed help.

He didn't talk to his roommate. He didn't talk to friends, but then he didn't have any. He sat at his computer staring into space. According to the New York Post, some of his suitemates didn't even know his name.

The only "person" with whom he communicated was an imaginary girlfriend, "Jelly." Nor were Virginia Techies alone in having a sense of foreboding about Cho. In December 2005, after stalking two female students, Cho wound up in a district court in Montgomery County, Va., which declared him "mentally ill" — and "an imminent danger to self and others."

These weren't just the proverbial "warning signs;" more like a billboard hung around Cho's neck with the words "Stop Me. Please," in big rainbow letters. As Cho himself wrote in the manifesto he sent to NBC during a pause in the carnage: "You had a hundred billion chances and ways to avoid today.

So what prevented anyone from taking this creature out of the dorms and off the streets? For starters, as the New York Times reported, privacy and anti-discrimination laws make it almost impossible for school officials to protect students from crazed classmates. If they try to expel a student from a dorm because they think he's dangerous, they can be sued under the Americans with Disabilities Act. Recently, CUNY officials had to pay $65,000 to forestall a lawsuit by a student barred from her dormitory after her suicide attempt and hospitalization.

The only people who might be able to take some action when a student shows signs of trouble — family members — are kept deliberately out of the loop. A 1974 law, known as the Buckley Amendment in tribute to its architect, former senator, James Buckley, makes it illegal for administrators to tell parents almost any details about their child's college life — including serious medical problems — without the student's permission.

Some years ago, when my daughter was starting out at Amherst, the college president explained the terms of the Buckley Amendment to the parents of incoming freshmen. One parent asked in disbelief, "You mean, if my kid were to disappear to California with a drugged-out nut, you wouldn't even tell me she was missing?" The president smiled with just a hint of condescension. "That's right," he said.[...]

see rest of article...

#155 Cattt 4/20/2007 9:56:30 pm PDT

#82 EtNorskTroll 4/20/2007 9:22:34 pm PDT

Something smells weird about this...

...and I'm a troll!

I think this was put up to goad people and Charles is one of the sensitive people who fell for it.

It's nice to see that you have feelings of a normal human, Charles.

I wouldn't take it to heart, though.

~Norsk Troll

Ms. Angert may be passive/aggressive, but trust me - she is quite serious. I just spent 45 boring, eye-rolling minutes researching her in depth. She has left snail tracks all over the Internet.

If that is the case, cccatt, then this is the MOST disgusting thing I have ever seen on the Internet....and I do not say that lightly.

/No words.

#157 ETNorsktroll,

I say we focus on the families and the courageous man like Mr. Libieu Librescous and forget about Cho.

Cho is now SINCERLEY sorry for what he did on Monday. Let's leave him with his Judge and focus on those who merit our attention.

With that, I agree. I've been furious with national news that this murderer's name hasn't been stricken from the record. I will not grant him the noterity he sought. He was a loser in life. He's the ultimate loser now.

Enough said. Have a good evening...

"Nevertheless, I cannot forget how my heart hurts for the thirty-third victim, the one the media never seems to count among those killed, Seung-Hui Cho.  On April 16, 2007 thirty-three lovable and fragile individuals passed."

Whew boy. Sick sick sick.

"The system or lack of social services in the United states let this man slide through many a crack."

No. No. No. It's the Koz Kids & Kompany - and their Krazy interference in allowing any sort of natural consequences (thank you ACLU) to transpire .. lest they disturb the PC fantasies of the Koz Kids Klan.

" Perhaps, America has let the Cho family down.  They expected so much, all Americans do.  However, little is received. The rewards are few."

Now we are down to the brass tacks of the KKK belief system: Hate America First, Second and Last. Do Not Take Any Personal Responsibility - Instead Blame Blame Blame.

Sickening.

It's just a picture of a guy's face. Master your emotions. If it was pictures of his bloody victims, revulsion would be more than understandable. But in today's world, if a person can't even bring themself to look at a normal face, how beaten down that person must be by their gift of sight, and that is a personal problem. After all, if you didn't know what he'd done, he wouldn't look any different than a half a billion other earthlings.

#145 Hey, Jeepthang!

Fellow Jeeper, here.

#153 Murqtaad

I know you got something strong you cann pass down the way. This shit calls for somethin heavier than my 12 pack.

/Bill Whittle is in the house!

Maybe this shit calls for some of DesertSage's Mezcal.

G'nite, y'all.
/Will I dream?

148 dammad

I'm with you. I don't want to see his face again. But this is one lesson from it, maybe.

He became the monster that demagogues like Hugo Chavez, Michael Moore, and Ken Livingstone create out of stupid people. A wild-eyed, out of control, "its all the rich guy's fault" citizen full of rage on a mission to destroy the status quo. The purest leftist cause run amok.

I for one think that Harry Reid is a disgraceful, despicable piece of crap.

OT
Iranian Navy Cmdr: Persian Gulf Fully Controlled by Iranian Navy

Iran's Mehr news agency reported that Iranian Army Navy Cmdr. Adm. Sajjad Kuchaki said April 17 that "the Persian Gulf and Strait of Hormuz are under the Iranian Navy’s full control."

He added that the navy was "in a unique and perfect situation and able to win any irregular and attrition warfare," and that the slightest provocative action would meet with a "serious and unpredictable" response.

He asked, "Why should a country that is 8,000 kilometers away from region want to establish security in the region? Enforced security brings about captivity, but a security that is established by the regional states will bring about (permanent) peace." He said that Iran would soon produce a unique[ly short-lived] destroyer.

/Cmdr. Kook, you may rule Brittania, but you DO NOT rule the waves.
~~~
A long, long time ago in a proud land...

When Britain first, at Heaven's command
Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sung this strain:
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

The nations, not so blest as thee,
Must, in their turns, to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free,
The dread and envy of them all.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Still more majestic shalt thou rise,
More dreadful, from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies,
Serves but to root thy native oak.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame:
All their attempts to bend thee down,
Will but arouse thy generous flame;
But work their woe, and thy renown.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

To thee belongs the rural reign;
Thy cities shall with commerce shine:
All thine shall be the subject main,
And every shore it circles thine.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

The Muses, still with freedom found,
Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crown'd,
And manly hearts to guard the fair.
"Rule, Britannia! rule the waves:
"Britons never will be slaves."

When Britain first at Heav'n's command
Arose from out the azure main;
Arose, arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter, the charter of the land,
And guardian angels sang this strain:
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never,* never will be slaves!
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
Britons never, never,* never will be slaves!

There is a bottom, and preparing range cards for its precincts is not imprudent.

I am fully expecting some bunch of moonbat dipshits to perform one of Cho's plays.

#167 cbinflux
Now that is damn interesting. Hmmm

Abu Hamza Hijji, responded, writing that Allah the Most Merciful forbids praying for mercy for the non-Muslim dead, or even for the non-Muslim living, and that it is only permitted to pray that they be rightly guided [DS: convert to Islam]. He added that what happened was a sad occurrence, but that does not give Muslims the right to transgress the laws of Allah the Most Merciful.

According to Aafaq, Hijji answered Chris, saying that there is no problem with praying that non-Muslims be kept safe and not be killed, if there is hope that they might be guided [to the right path] [DS: conversion to Islam]; but one cannot pray for the non-Muslim dead, since there is no chance of their being guided.

#163 Noam Sayin'

Bill Whittle can have my Mezcal anytime he wants.

Harry Reid should resign IMMEDIATELY!

142 Mich-again 4/20/2007 9:49:25 pm PDT

If the KosKid who wrote that nonsense wants to do something meaningful, they should volunteer to be a mentor for some other mentally disturbed young person.

That is exactly what the loony leftists are missing. All they know how to do is bitz and self america hate. If they truly felt the way they do, they'd do what you said.

Even in death, Seung-Hui Cho is scorned.

Gee, I wonder why?

/maybe because he was a mass murderer?

#167 cbinflux

Yeah cb,

Britannia used to rule the waves but Admiral Fallon rules them now.

Ms. Angert appears to have moved - she used to live in Irvine, California and is still in their online phone book. She's posted about "fascinating" Orange County. She likes Rage Against the Machine.

Okay, Whittle.

*criminy, mind your manners, Noam*

Excuse me, Mr. Whittle. I know you're a busy man, but how much longer for Seeing the Unseen, Part III?

I've been engaging in the global warming discussion with a half-moonbat at work (she's actually pretty sane, and will listen to well-reasoned argument). We're on the same page that we need to keep the world clean, recycle, that sort of shit. She's read a couple of your posts, and likes your writing. I'm sure she'll appreciate your point of view. I'm just trying to keep her out of the moonbat realm.

So NBC is being excoriated for airing Cho's idiotic rants. Where is the news in quoting from the Kos site? That post would be excruciating to see if your child or friend was killed by that @sshole.

They pull him (Kos) out often enough when it suits them (like in an article about how Rich Little, the comic, is going to be the entertainment at the Press Corps Dinner and Kos claims it's pandering to Bush), but amazingly (not!) I haven't found a mention of this Kos Diary entry eulogizing (and practically sainting), a mass murderer.

Putting the killer on equal footing with the victims; a patented Democrat move. Sick doesn't even begin to cover it.

162 Salem

It's just a picture of a guy's face...After all, if you didn't know what he'd done, he wouldn't look any different than...

But we do know. So he's up there with all the other psychotic mass murderers. Which is why his face should go away.

#71

Sorry about late reply. I was in engineering too. Lotsa work, i had to pass up a lot of parties.

Man, the girls...

But I did manage to have a bit o' fun too. Thursday nights, Fri and Sat.

My friends in arts had a lot more fun.

But I have career today. Can't say the same for my old artsy buddies.

#155 Cattt

I just spent 45 boring, eye-rolling minutes researching her in depth. She has left snail tracks all over the Internet.

Congratulations on your persistence and eeewww.

#164 Killgore Trout

...of electric sheep?

I was picked on as well in high school, and I got angry, but I never in a moment considered bringing firearms to school and killing the kids who gave me crap, let alone elderly professors or strangers.

Cho also seemed drawn to the pre-death video the way Pali and al Qaeda suicide killers were. I do suspect Ismail Ax was an Islamic reference, although in this case I think this turd was a homidical nutjob long before exposure to Islam, and just found Islam, along with the loser that claimed Jon-Benet Ramey's murder and the two Columbine suicide losers, as attractive role models for hateful and empty insane rage. I heard the term, describing the possible Ismail Ax/Islam connection, forget where, as part of the evil this amoral 'vacuum cleaner' picked up, and I agree with it.

I sounds to me like Noam is using Bill Whittle's essay's to pick up chicks.

:')

#167 cbinflux 4/20/2007 10:06:50 pm PDT

OT
Iranian Navy Cmdr: Persian Gulf Fully Controlled by Iranian Navy

You just can't make this stuff up...it's that funny!

Still, I'd REALLY like to see the *cough* esteemed Iranian Navy try to take a group of US Marines inspecting a boat.

Oh, man!

That would get really bloody...and I don't mean American blood.

~Norsk Troll

173 Highrise

All they know how to do is bitz and self america hate.

From a safe location.

96 Cattt

Public information - not revealing anything, as she posts under her full name. Betsy L. Angert, age apx 52.

A middle-aged female Baby Boomer.

Didn't see that one coming!

/not really.

#96 Cattt

Thank you for posting that. Betsy writes like an idealistic kid. When I read that crap all I could think was "if your not a liberal when you're young you don't have a heart, if you're not conservative when your old, you don't have a head." paraphrasing...Winston Churchill. Distressing that she has learned so little in 52 years.

Betsy, you saw the face of evil. You can call it what it is. Once you do that an amazing thing will happen. You will also be able to recoginize goodness. And then you can begin to feel compassion for people like Liviu Libresco who died protecting his students from the Assasin's bullet's.

Compassion for the murderer will rot your heart. Compassion for the innocent will lift it.

Seung-Hui Cho and his parents were hoping to find streets paved in gold in America. Unfortunately, they discovered what many of us do, life is good if you are among the fertile few.

Is the writer implying if you are among the rich? How empty a life must be to think this way! She must be one who constantly waits for the gubmint to bail her out of all harsh situations because hard work is just to...uh...hard.
Maybe Cho's parents were merely looking for opportunities not available in Korea, but this writer must have a greater insight.

Kindness and love can't solve all the world's problems.

/the LLL moonbatici don't seem to understand this concept

one of the Bush Administrations largest failures has been to manufacture weapons. Rumsfield cancelled a lot, but also stopped current production lines in the bizarre belief that his lighting fast light force could fight with weapons that were not yet made. We are now retiring more ships than we make, and replacing large ships with pygmies. Some of the older hull should have been retrofitted . Watching the pervious armor that the Cole sported makes one wonder whether the added 4 knots of speed was worth it. Could you not have mixed deployments? The hull of the JFK is irreplaceable. We could have saved a billion dollars by turning it into a Marine carrier. Now the Dems have cut all replacement spending as well as repair. Bush is an idiot. He had a chance to arm us and instead turned us over to an arm-chair chess player.

The Kos poster “HollywoodOz”, on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 08:31:34 PM PDT, accurately writes of the Kos comments:

“Apparently there are a bunch of concern trolls having a good cry, however”

After wading through the diary (is the post, perchance, actually a translation from the original, written in Cat, possibly the Tabby dialect?) and comments, the poster “tomjones” sums the entire disaster up quite nicely:

“troll rate if you must (5+ / 0-)
but this is a bull shit diary. i know Bcgntn means well, but this is bull shit.”
by tomjones on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 08:31:01 PM PDT

Interesting Google Vid Recommendations

This is from Malcolm X.

God himself must first destroy this evil Western world, the white world...a wicked world, ruled by a race of devils, that preaches falsehood, practices slavery, and thrives on indecency and immorality. The hour of judgement and doom is upon White America for the evil seeds of slavery and hypocrisy she has sown; and God himself has declared that no one shall escape the doom of this Western world, except those who ...

Ismail Ax sounds a lot like that.

Eulogizing a mass murder is travesty.

I suppose if I were a moonbat, I’d say:

“If you took a way the fact he killed 30 people, stalked women, started fires, and what emotional problems he had, underneath he was just a sweet kid with a hang up.”

Obliviously, the parents of the murdered students would feel quit differently.

The real problem with this whole episode is that could be duplicated by clever terrorists manipulating a troubled individual. If done correctly, an intelligent terrorist would use a proxy to kill on American soil and not blame it on somebody else.

It's April 20th. Does the Kos have an entry memorializing Hitler?

And the Dodgers win! 10-2... HA-HA! Pittsburg sucks!

190 Killian Bundy

Kindness and love can't solve all the world's problems.

Not true. All you need is love.

Ahh this is an interesting quote from the idgit harry reid..from over at Malkin's site in response to Liebermann:

"No one wants us to succeed in Iraq more than the Democrats. We've proven that time and time again since this war started more than four years ago. We take a back seat to no one in supporting our troops, and we will never abandon our troops in a time of war."

Bwuhahhahahhha..come again?

I[t] sounds to me like Noam is using Bill Whittle's essay's to pick up chicks.

Actually, I tell them I am Bill Whittle. Works every time. I just tell 'em that pic on my website is really some Mezcal-drinking, gun nut from southern California who goes by the name of DesertSage.

Thanks for getting me laid, Bill!

Well, the little battery indicator is down to about 17%, so I'm going to sign out.

Catchya in the morning, Lizards.

Rich kids problem eh?

Lemme tell ya. Anybody in University better STFU about being "poor". If you can afford tuition, STFU. I don't mean it has to be easy. Lots of students work their asses off and pile up debt. Kudos. You don't have to feel guilty because you can afford education - your parents help you? Then they are great.

What about this Cho guy? Did he work MCDonald's in his off time, was he Natinal Guard or ROTP? Did he pick up trash in the summer or do the municipal work?

So this jerk off didn't have a car and ate Kraft dinner? Boo-hoo. Man I can't eat KD to this day.

What was his financial situation anyway? I bet you he had a Mom and Dad that saved their last penny to get him through university, sacrificing everything to see their offsprings have a better life, life countless immigrants.

He screwed it all up.

172 DesertSage

Harry Reid should resign IMMEDIATELY!

Yep

[correction to #195]

If done correctly, an intelligent terrorist would use a proxy to kill on American soil and blame it on somebody else.

181 Merovign

You can tour her home (from when she had it on the market). She posted this on her blog.

She writes in depth about herself, and she draws all kinds of detail in about herself. She is an open book with boring pages full of over-written stilted prose and too many commas.

#187 kateca

I like that Winston Churchill remark - man, but he was wise.

I have a feeling Ms. Angert has been keeping herself in a bell jar. She writes in a disconnected way. It's impossible to really know, but I get the feeling she is an old innocent - someone who hasn't really experienced - you know - life.

#189 solomonpanting

Here is info on the family, and there are also references to the father living and working sodding Saudi Arabia...

The media is the enemy take #452342:
From Yahoo news photos

Elizabeth Lineberry of Hillsville, Va., talks about the slayings that took place on the campus of Virginia Tech in Blacksburg, Va., Friday, April 20, 2007. Lineberry was visiting the makeshift memorial to the 33 victims and gunman in front of Burruss Hall on the campus during a State Day of Mourning. (AP Photo/Mary Altaffer)

Leftists oddly feel somehow ennobled by the vastness of their love which can even include a poor misunderstood mass murdering loser (while, oddly enough, hating the truly noble and good). Nothing new here, just the characteristic Mein Kampf-ish fellow feeling of the evil narcisist.

Thoughtful Islamic discussion on how best to do away with us

Notice that they are at war with us. We can't call our response "war", but we all know that the police actions, democracy building, etc. do not work.

Call it what it is, and then fight to win it. Oh, and quit inviting the Fifth Column over for PC parties.

OT

New 24Z WRF soundings looking rather favorable for tornadoes in Panhandle/West Texas as seen in this Childress, TX forecast sounding

#189 Solomanpanting

I have avoided most of the covrerage of the killer but heard his parents were quite comfortable, despite his railing against the rich kids. I think they had dry-cleaning stores? At any rate, they could afford to send him to a good college.

#192 Arbalest

the poster “tomjones” sums the entire disaster up quite nicely:

“troll rate if you must (5+ / 0-)
but this is a bull shit diary. i know Bcgntn means well, but this is bull shit.”
by tomjones on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 08:31:01 PM PDT

Bless his heart. He sums up her whole persona: i know Bcgntn means well, but this is bull shit.”

One comment:

Some of these people remind me of Republicans. They only care about people when it is convenient or easy for them to do so. Maybe if more people had cared sooner, this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

Dear Lord!

---

more from the same blog:

Quote:
"Look... I had a friend at VT that had to jump out of a window to survive. HE even feels sympathy for the guy. People act as if Cho wasn't even a life form. I am seriously disturbed by the way people are reacting here to Cho. Honestly, he was a human...he died...I feel sympathy because of that.
I feel sympathy for any living creature that dies. I don't know what scares me more...Cho, or the people here who don't even care about his fate. Who are we to judge?"

John Edwards - 2008
by floridadude on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 09:08:48 PM PDT

For this DailyKos contributor, it's Bush's fault - or at least Bush must be Choo's role model :

Quote:
"George Bush. He had a tough childhood. He had substance abuse problems. Obviously, he didn't get the help he needed. So the next time you complain about all the people he killed in Iraq, you need to be more compassionate and think of what Bush has gone through. Love him; he needs to feel safe and secure and only your authentic fondness can fill his heart and provide stability.

by Mia Dolan on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 08:12:26 PM PDT"

...and somehow another loon manage to blame it on Republicans:

Quote:
" Thanks roger. Some of these people remind me of Republicans. They only care about people when it is convenient or easy for them to do so. Maybe if more people had cared sooner, this whole thing wouldn't have happened.

by rogerdaddy on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 10:10:34 PM PDT"

It's minboggling, folks... Oops! I need another barf bag.

201 dak

Rich kids problem eh?

Daughter had probs with feelings at the private H/S, btw, that we all selected, with her H/S classmates driving their own BMW's, SAAB's, etc. ... also heading off to warmer climates for Easter vacation, etc..

We said, "honey, we care for you and your EDUCATION and the other things are extra dressing that we cannot afford."
End of story.

/no murders yet ! (XXX)

Let's Declare Stuff

Since Harry Reid is declaring things such as that the war is lost (Hear that, terrorists? You won! Yay!), I'd like to declare some things.

I declare that Harry Reid has no penis and is, in fact, a little girl.

I declare that Ted Kennedy is nothing buy the giant Jabba the Hutt puppet from Return of the Jedi placed in a suit.

I declare that Nancy Pelosi is nothing but an animatronic made by stretching an old piece of leather on a plaster skull.

Posted by Frank J.

#191 pat

It's not too late to refit the Missouri. Improved point defenses, about 500 more tomohawks and 50 more launchers. Keep the 15s, of course. Nuclear power.

Mwuhaha, mwuhahaha.

:)

#205 NY Nana

Thanks for the info. So far, I don't see any sinister family/Arab connections.

I was in the Navy in college, and I still was poor enough to spend a lot of dinner times eating ramen noodles, mac & cheese, and, my favorite, ranch style beans and rice.

I wish I had enough money to hang with the frat boys and do Spring Break in Cancun, but I did ok, I wasn't the only guy in college not exactly affluent, and we all did ok without killing anyone.

This sympathy for the killer displayed at DailyKos is NOTHING compared to what is going on elsewhere in the leftosphere. Mild, I tell you.

For example, over at Soft Skull Press, a "progressive" publishing house, they issued this press release, that echoes the very attitude I mentioned recently (a trait that I myself as a moonbat used to possess) of purposely inverting the self-evident moral structure of any scenario.

To wit -- according to the good folks at Soft Skull, the Virginia Tech shootings were a righteous revolutionary act:

"Schoolyard massacres are rebellions against oppressive and bullying environments by students who can't take it anymore" NOT "Cho Seung-Hui did it because he was crazy and evil"
...
Alternet just had the author in question, Mark Ames, do a piece on the shootings. An excerpt from that follows, with the link and more information on the book and the author right after that...The excerpt gives you a good sense of Mark's argument in the book...

Media: "Cho Seung-Hui did it because he was crazy and evil."
History: "Schoolyard massacres are rebellions against oppressive and bullying environments by students who can't take it anymore."

Another rampage massacre, this time the worst ever. Which means another fake attempt at trying to understand this uniquely American crime—these interminable rage killing sprees in our workplaces and our schoolyards.

What makes the Virginia Tech massacre more horrifying isn't just the body count but the reaction of the living: The official fake soul-searching is more idiotic than ever, revealing, if anything, a culture that is so insanely delusional and incapable of self-reflection that it almost makes these rampage massacres seem relatively natural.

The footage from Seung-Hui's "media manifesto" has played on cable news on an endless loop for days now, and no one has considered the merits of his grievances—except to cast them as proof positive that Cho Seung-Hui was one sick guy.

etc.

#136 carbomb footprint---che --cho--what's the difference--mass murderers the lot of them--fighting injustice by the cleaning use of violence --how frantz fanon with a twist of ali shariati it all is--rejected of the world unite--you have nothing to lose but your shame

175 exp traveler

Unless they possess some Sizzlers and the expertise needed to use them, Adm. Fallon would make very short snack of their Navy. Not enough to work up a good burp.

IF they have the Russian Sizzlers, we might have some nasty surprises like Britain suffered in the Falklands War when a French Exocet rocked their world. They'd still suffer a world-class ass whupping; and we'd meet some of their college recruits over here...

#213 ElKafir

Quote:
"George Bush. He had a tough childhood. He had substance abuse problems. Obviously, he didn't get the help he needed. So the next time you complain about all the people he killed in Iraq, you need to be more compassionate and think of what Bush has gone through. Love him; he needs to feel safe and secure and only your authentic fondness can fill his heart and provide stability.

by Mia Dolan on Fri Apr 20, 2007 at 08:12:26 PM PDT"

If they weren't such hypocrites that wouldn't be satire.

219 Zombie -

except to cast them as proof positive that Cho Seung-Hui was one sick guy.

but ... HE IS WAS SICK !

I'm not sure if this is on topic, but here's the Virgina Tech English Dept.'s take on the tragedy:

We are Virginia Tech

We are sad today
We will be sad for quite a while
We are not moving on
We are embracing our mourning

We are Virginia Tech

We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly
We are brave enough to bend to cry
And we are sad enough to know that we must laugh again

We are Virginia Tech

We do not understand this tragedy
We know we did nothing to deserve it

But neither does a child in Africa
Dying of AIDS

Neither do the Invisible Children
Walking the night away to avoid being captured by a rogue army

Neither does the baby elephant watching his community
Be devastated for ivory
Neither does the Mexican child looking
For fresh water

Neither does the Iraqi teenager dodging bombs

Neither does the Appalachian infant killed
By a boulder
Dislodged
Because the land was destabilized

No one deserves a tragedy

We are Virginia Tech
The Hokie Nation embraces
Our own
And reaches out
With open heart and mind
To those who offer their hearts and hands

We are strong
And brave
And innocent
And unafraid

We are better than we think
And not yet quite what we want to be

We are alive to imagination
And open to possibility
We will continue
To invent the future

Through our blood and tears
Through all this sadness

We are the Hokies

We will prevail
We will prevail
We will prevail

We are
Virginia Tech

Nikki Giovanni, delivered at the Convocation, April 17, 2007

It can be found here.

Somehow the tragedy isn't about the kids who died now, it's about environmentalism and the war in Iraq. Actually, it sounds kina like some of the crap that the dead jackass put in his "manifesto."

58 mama winger 4/20/2007 9:10:44 pm PDT

#50 Spoiler

That's okay - you can't help it that you stink. It's not your fault. You were an outcast as a child. No one ever picked you for their team. No one invited you to birthday parties. It's not your fault that you bring stinkiness wherever you go.

If he acted like a possessed demon the way he did in his video, I'm sure he did get laughed at and made fun of. It's not surprising to me that he wasn't well liked. Maybe if he had found some Kos Kiddies to play with, he would right now be spewing hate and vile in their playground and 32 innocent people would still be alive.

I agree with the shooter's grandfather.

It's good the SOB died.

Missouri, like all the Iowa class, had 16" main guns.

Just an FYI.

S
Maybe the BB-61s are a little too expensive and all for modern operation, but 5" main guns as the biggest Naval artillery for Marine shore fire support doesn't cut it.

If I were POTUS (and this would come in handy for an Iran invasion) a ~20,000 ton Aegis equipped battle cruiser with 144mm, maybe even 254 mm main guns throwing a 100+ Kg round at least 35 km, with at least a 10 round/minute sustained fire rate. Not to mention, besides the Aegis system and attendant vertical launch anti-air missiles, Tomahawk Land attack missiles, both conventional and nuclear.

Back in the day, the USS Chuck Wagon (CVN-70) carried special weapons like the B-57, but I understand early in the Clinton years, all special weapons were removed from Naval surface vessels. I hope Bush has rectified that mistake.

#219 zombie

OOO--MMM---FFF---GGG

Thanks for posting that.

I'm otherwise speechless.

#210 kateca

I have avoided most of the covrerage of the killer but heard his parents were quite comfortable, despite his railing against the rich kids. I think they had dry-cleaning stores? At any rate, they could afford to send him to a good college.

Yes, of course. From NY Nana's link:

"They thought they would be able to educate their children well in the U.S".

And they did, but their son had other intentions. As I said, they came here for opportunities. For many, the streets are "paved in gold in America", to quote our little schvookster.

#71 EtNorskTroll 4/20/2007 9:15:04 pm PDT

#14 dak 4/20/2007 8:55:44 pm PDT
Anybody who can't have fun on a University Campus has a lot of problems with social skill!

Uhm...dak?

I didn't have fun while on my University Campus.

.../'course, I'm an engineer, so that should explain a lot.

~Norsk TRoll

Yep, know exactly what you mean. The five least-fun (I was working while going to school) years of my life were college. On the other hand, getting that orange tassel did generate a certain feeling of achievement.
/think of it as 5 (or 4) years of marine corps boot camp, but with summers off to work

and no one has considered the merits of his grievances—except to cast them as proof positive that Cho Seung-Hui was one sick guy.

Well, atleast our kids will know what to do now if they ever get laughed at, teased, or bullied.

There wouldn't be anybody left alive in America if every time someone was laughed at, they went on a killing spree.

#2: I don't think it's a joke. I forced myself to go to the DK and read the article.

Care for a double bourbon?

How many poor white Appalachian babies in Virginia, West Virginia, heck, even Ohio, Pennsylvania and Tennessee have been killed in coal mining accidents in the last two or three decades?

Is that a hidden epidemic or something?

OT
Cheerleading during Iranian Soccer Match of the Season

They're a cinch as an Olympics venue!

#217 solomonpanting

Thanks for the info. So far, I don't see any sinister family/Arab connections.

Nor do I, but who knows? What I cannot understand is how on earth his parents and sister were not aware just how much he needed help. I wonder if sibling envy had anything to do with it, as his sister is a high achiever.

There just has to have been signs from a fairly early age that he was not like other kids, and his behaviour seems to border on the psychotic from at least high school if not far sooner. Hindsight is 20/20, and if this massacre has at least awakened some parents that they have a child exhibiting the same or similiar behaviour, perhaps one more horrific incident like this might be prevented. I think they took his computer to examine. I hope they will reveal what was found.

There seems to be something about the month of April and mass murders..Waco, Columbine, and at least one more...*itler's birthday (may his name and memory be obliterated)..

my head is starting to hurt with this. Let me see if I can get it straight.

The KosKids do not like Bush because he killed all those innocent Iraqi's.

The KosKids like Cho because he killed all those innocent students.

Damn, I still don't get it. I am going to take some aspirin, get some sleep, and try again in the morning.

#226 guzziguy

Excellent article...thanks!

OT
Musical "Comedy" on Iranian TV

45 experiencedtraveller 4/20/2007 9:07:24 pm PDT

I have to forgive him.

Forgiveness, like everything, has its limits.

#234 cabinflux...

thanks for posting that. seriously. A soccer match is no place for that kind of stuff..but it just shows everyone how gone (and desperate) the Iranian regime is.

wow...just wow

Maybe a bit late for wishes, but I sure hope this vile insect isn't the FNDT topic. His loathing for humanity voids his membership. His vain, bloody outburst merits him no attention. And I'll comment no further but my wish he'd eaten his first bullet, rather than his last.

Sure wish there was a real topic.

Charles? Stinky?

While I understand that his family has something to mourn, and the fact that they have to deal with what their son did...there may be "reasons" for what he did, but no excuses. There are people who have rough lives, tough times in their lives, who do NOT go on a "shooting spree" because they feel so threatened in any matter.

I mourn for his family and their loss, yes, and what they will have to deal with...but he chose his own path, he chose this end for himself. He killed all those people, and tore up their families, because he hated his own life that much. He destroyed their lives because he didn't like his. It's not an excuse, and given that he chose this way out...his family may deserve our sympathy for their loss, for what they may feel in regards to responsibility, but he doesn't.

#224 29Victor

...A child in Africa, a baby elephant, a Mexican child, an Appalachian..."

students slaughtered in their classrooms.

It's all the same. All the fault of Western Imperialism...

#218 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet 4/20/2007 10:46:47 pm PDT

I was in the Navy in college, and I still was poor enough to spend a lot of dinner times eating ramen noodles, mac & cheese, and, my favorite, ranch style beans and rice.

Reminds me of my college. I had 2 roommates and we were all putting ourselves through college. Multiple part-time jobs, lots of Raman Noodles and kroger generic mac and cheese. The highlife was when my one roommates parents visited (about once a month). His dad worked for Dinner Bell and they would bring us meat. That was great. The sad news, only one of us graduated. I am still in college some 20 years later working on my BS.

#216 Merovign
#227 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
There are actual architectural plans to refit the Missouri and the Wisconsin with modern weaponry, including reloaders that could shell 9 rounds a minute per turret. The cruise missile launchers are already there. There is no need for nuclear, it would be a Marine cover weapon. There is not a ship at see that has the hull depth. The electronics would have to all be replaced. And modern armor could be added an. Cost for 2 ships: $1 Billion. Rumsfield said no. Bush is too stupid to realize that we may need the Marines one day.

Harry Reid should resign IMMEDIATELY!

Hung at dawn a la Abe Lincoln.

240 soccerdad

I'm not worried about the cheerleading or anti-American/Israel TV in Islamic countries. PBS is countering that; they've got (a knife in) our backs.

//

215 DesertSage 4/20/2007 10:43:30 pm PDT

Let's Declare Stuff
Since Harry Reid is declaring things such as that the war is lost (Hear that, terrorists? You won! Yay!), I'd like to declare some things.

I declare that Harry Reid has no penis and is, in fact, a little girl.

I declare that Ted Kennedy is nothing buy the giant Jabba the Hutt puppet from Return of the Jedi placed in a suit.

I declare that Nancy Pelosi is nothing but an animatronic made by stretching an old piece of leather on a plaster skull.

LOL...thanks for that. Laughter really is the best medicine. Seems like the Democrats haven't changed any since the Vietnam war. They loved to talk about how the war was a lost cause while we still had our military fighting over there too. As tough as those are who fight for us, they don't want to die. I can't imagine what it must feel like to be fighting and risking everything while policy makers of my country were saying that it's all for a lost cause. Nobody wants to die for a lost cause. Our military toppled the regime they went over to fight. That is victory. That people don't see this just boggles my mind.

boo hoo.

I took a LOT of shit in school, and I'm willing to bet that it was way worse than what this kid endured. The one thing that pulled me through was my dad telling me, "if you get in a fight, I'll whip your ass. If you get in a fight and lose, I'll whip your ass twice." I started winning fights and the bullying stopped. The ass beatings at home prevented me from becoming a bully. Gotta love dad.

Yeah, bullying is wrong. Yeah, it leads to depression. Yeah, it it's a sad case. But here's the kicker -- we must take responsibility for our own actions. Grow a pair, be a man, defend yourself, and above all else, show some dignity. Killing a bunch of innocent, unarmed people is cowardice.

The ones I feel for are the victims, their families, and the family of that child. Not him.

#224 29Victor

What a conceited little wench THAT one is - no, it's not about the honored dead, it's about a chance to make a policy statement.

I'd have got up from the audience and taken her damned microphone away. It's just RUDE to turn a wake into a chance to make political wisecracks.

Though I'll bet she'd be "shocked" that people would "interpret" her grandstanding that way.

#227 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Sorry. Eet was typo, honest! :)

#245 pat

The point of nuclear power is 1) more space for stores / weapons, and 2) no string of refueling ships trailing you around like ducklings.

Obviously duration is less important for a battleship sent to smash things than a carrier that patrols, but the fuel is still a weakness and an expense.

Anyone ever design a 16" diameter (sorry!) gyrojet shell?

One wonders what the reach of the Mo's (ironic nickname) main guns would be with rocket-rounds?

Ahhh, what's a billion between friends?

Does anybody question the fact that this murderous little shit is considered a hero by the moonbats?

He:

1- Hated Christians and rich people.
2- Was an incompetent, useless idiot that blamed his failures on a world that was out of step with his un-appreciated genius.
3- Worshipped death.
4- To some extent, he hurt America.

Haven't you ever asked yourself who these hatefilled liberals actually respect? Well, here ya go.

#235 NY Nana

I heard Cho's professors expressed concern for his ideas as exemplified in his writing, but I wonder if these concerns were passed on to his parents. Moreover, I wonder if, due to privacy laws and the fact that he was an adult, how difficult it is and how long it must take to have someone institutionalized.
Also, it must be extremely disheartening for parents to admit that their child is severely twisted to point of requiring this type of help.
Also, some people are quite devious and can state, in Cho's case, he was merely writing for a future screen play or book of horror stories, etc.
After Sept. 11, I predicted a hugh increase in the surveillance and security industries. We have air marshalls on planes. Short of a loosening of C&C permits, I see "campus" marshalls, and, as the targets shift, "mall" marshalls, "commercial enterprise" marshalls, and more whever there exist large numbers of soft targets. It's not a pretty picture.

219 zombie

Great, just what we need. Now every friggin playground Che psycho can rationalize an excuse to begin a rampage in the name of 'la revoltion.' It isn't like it isn't already bad enough with the Reid crowd initiating their own 'Counter-Surge' and sending a clear message to every tyrant and jihadi, 'Your winning! Continue, continuing on - we've got your back bro's! Together we will defeat King Bush and the Imperial minions!'

#252 docremulac
5. He was continually passed in classes for achievements unattained.

I am appalled.

That is all.

Cho is rotting in hell, right now. Rotting is too gentle.
He is roasting, getting his eyes gauged out repeatedly with hot pokers.
He must be, if there is justice.
None of this is tongue in cheek, I just really do not wish him well. In hell.

C-stan-i
VT class of '92

Typical ... left wingers would sooner spoon with a psychotic killer than live in a world where they have to take responsibility for their own actions. It's always society's fault. Always. If some retarded Kos Kid robs a bank 'coz he really, really needed a new BMW to feel good on the inside - blame "society".

To expand on this (#257), Cho is the worst of human nature. People who work too hard to understand him are not working very hard at lamenting the best among us who were taken from us by Cho.

"This didn't have to happen. If only you had all loved me and treated me respectfully! Now you will pay! Do you hear? PAY! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!"

Only a leftard would watch Cho's video rant and agree with what he was saying.

Beyond outrageous. I like how you keep documenting the depravity on that blog, Charles. Keep it up.

This is the result of 40 years of moral relativism taught in our schools. Kids are not taught to think, rather the emphasis is on how they feel about things.

A VT professor recites her poem equating the gravity of those kids' murder to that of baby elephants being killed in Africa; Barak Obama compared the violence of their murders with the "violence of outsourcing jobs" or "the violence of remarks by Don Imus" -- How insulting to those bereaved parents who would take an insult any day over having their child be violently killed. Stupid, stupid, vapid, shallow remarks by these people who are running our universities and our country.

Idiots.

This entry in Kosland will only serve to convince people of the utter moral bankruptcy of the left.

They could volunteer to help out in psychiatric hospitals so every freakoid loner can be checked out.

Ugh.

I'm honestly disgusted beyond words.

Sounds like it was written by Azreal Abyss

Whoever said it, they hit the nail right on the head. The KKKos Kids really are just one step below Cho. They really are just piles of cow flop that somehow managed to become animated. They are purely reactionary, Their own versions of Clockwork Orange with no original thought or ideas.

I certainly could use a little love, empathy, compassion and understanding... is it all as simple as taking out 32 Koslings to get it?

TO: Charles Johnson, et al.
RE: Bad As It May Seem...

...this is hardly what I'd call the worst thing we've seen on DK.

I think suggesting the murder of the vice president is by far worse.

RE: The VT Massacre

Personally, I feel sad about this guy. That's just my christian ethic. I feel sadder for his victims; the murdered and all the survivors.

MY anger is kindled against the the politically correct judges, medicos, politicians and school administrators who set the stage on which this tragedy took place. Not for revenge. Revenge is not a christian ethic, Rather for preventing it happening again.

I lived and worked four miles from Columbine. Members of my church went to that school. I've driven through Baily, Colorado, past the high school there numerous times. Where I live now, I can go into the middle school a few blocks away and find doors chained shut. [Note: Unless they took my complaint to heart.]

And I'm getting PO'd about it all, because we're just setting ourselves up for ANOTHER such event. And yet the same PC cretins are doing NOTHING to correct the problem. Neither preparing to defend the children nor allowing them to defend themselves. Let alone the idea that these so-called 'teachers' should actually TEACH children things that would help prevent them from becoming the monster that Cho became. Heaven forefend they teach honest-to-God morals in their 'there is no evil' environment.

We've gone beyond C.S. Lewis' compliant...

We make men without chests and expect of them virtue and enterprise. We laugh at honour and are shocked to find traitors in our midst. We castrate and bid the geldings be fruitful. -- C. S. Lewis

We are now in the process of turning out narcissistic little monsters as well. And these little monsters turn upon society and tear it to pieces, leaving a bloody trail of bodies and shattered lives in their wake.

And yet, the NEA sees nothing wrong with their hammer-lock on the vaunted public education system. Indeed, they insist on doing everything they can to block other approaches to education; charter schools, home schooling, etc.

I'm reminded of the Pharisees that Christ railed at in the Temple, when He said...

Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in. -- Mt 23:13

I think it quite accurate. These educational Pharisees shut up knowledge from those they are supposed to teach. And neither do they go into understanding themselves.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[The more things change, the more they remain the same.]

"... the one the media never seems to count among those killed, Seung-Hui Cho."

Well, that's because he wasn't killed – passive voice – but instead killed himself – reflexive. When the kids can't even get that thing right ...

Or maybe they're deliberately changing the meaning of words in anticipation of the next suicide bomber – the next "victim" "killed" in the "incident".