Religion of peace indeed...

Drop a bomb on mullah's palace!

Send Nancy Pelosi. She knows how to dress to keep them happy. Besides, who are we to judge?

Hey maybe we can import them as border patrol agents?

NOW's action alert in 5...4...3.../
I'm perplexed by the lack of reaction from any female I know to this type of abuse.

Now to juxtapose some pictures of protestors arguing for a "no war on Iran" posture.

BOMB, BOMB, BOMB

BOMB, BOMB IRAN

Also see: Sugar, Tea and Police Violence in Iran

Posted by Kamangir on May 10th, 2007

However, in the same country, the Police literally kicks a girl into a car. Her “crime” is to take her veil off in public, according to my understanding of the video.

It's pretty brutal.

"Police, Improperly Clad Women Clash In Tehran"

The title of the article implies that there are two sides engaged in fighting. The reality is far different. The new title should be, "Women beaten by cops - for nothing".

Of course they're beating women. After all, it's in the koran-

As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

surah 4:34

Related, with photos:

ISLAMIC POLICE IN IRAN TORTURING YOUTHS IN PUBLIC

Your showing this actual event that took place in Iran, and was fully sanctioned by the goverment is nothing but further evidence of LGF's bias, racism, and fascist headwinds!

You should be ashamed of yourselves...SERIOUSLY!...Everyone with 1/2 a brain can see that this was done by "Zionist Jews" but made to look like Iran did it...furthermore, this thread is just a Zionazi attempt to take the worlds' attention away from the Apartheid and Genocide going on in Palestine.

There is no country in the Middle East that is a threat to anything other then the Zionist Entity!

FREE PALESTINE...

She's covered in blood, probably isn't wearing any make-up, and she still looks hot.

Persian men are some lucky b*stards.

But I thought the Hijab wasnt forced on the women?

/Libtard Feminist

"The beatings will continue until moral(ity) improves"

/President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Obviously she was dressed inappropriately and is a whore. She deserves this beating.

/They REALLY think this way

fashion police taken too literally

Dang, they bloodied her up good.

I was taught in my raising that you should never smack a member of the fairer sex...

I guess they left that out of their book.

#10 Sharmuta

Of course they're beating women. After all, it's in the koran-

As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

surah 4:34

...just so long as you don't break any bones or teeth... remember that

I don't believe the reports or the pictures.

There were no WMD in Iraq.

Ali Sina and others always claim that the mullahs clamp down on the female dress code whenever they feel powerful. They must feel very powerful now...

And in Pakistan, Islam is offended by a woman hugging a man in public.

Must of been in Friday's sermon that there is not enough of this rigid demeaning control on women. After all there is this dirty jew loving American professor who is here stirring up trouble. We need to teach these dogs women of ours who is boss. Yeah, right on Iman, now your talking. Got any stones, my hands are hurting from pulling out her hair last night.

Apparently "Islamic Dress" means blood.

Many people talk about how many secular people are in Iran, how the internal revolution will take place there and so on.

What they forget is that in less than a month, all those people can be killed/arrested by the islamic regime.

I wonder why it didn't happened yet.

11 Stefania

You have one of the best blogs around.

This behavior, explicitly Islamic, is clearly abnormal, perverse and deviant, and every other human culture says so (and handles the perverts who do these things).

Even baboons, monkeys, dogs and pigs do not do this to the females of their species.

Why are the various militant feminazis in Europe and the US still silent?

Why are the various intellectuals in academia, who make big mouth (Columbia & UC Irvine, to name a few) about Palestinian suffering silent on this?

Where are the Duke 88, now that photographic evidence shows this time we need one of their signed and published petitions?

Mullah Compares Unveiled Women to Buses: "Anyone Can Ride Them"

Ba dum dum.

Bomb Iran

I was in Riyahd in '91 and a "religious policeman", an old bastard waving a stick, was bitching at us because we were afoot during the prayer hour.

I told him to take the stick and shove it. Fortunately he didn't understand me, and I smiled when I said it. Otherwise he might've called in back-up.

It is truly sad to see this Woman get caught up in the crossfire between Israel and the Pakestinians.

3 threads down!

The reaction from the American Left?

Expect "Queer For Iran" march on the Israel embassy.

Just wait until the politically active American femenists get wind of this.

Or the cute perky one on CBS.

They could pitch it as a ratings booster.

Ah yes, a state-mandated dress code for women. Enforced by beatings and jail time, if not stricter methods.

But hey, that's cool. Their culture is no better or worse than ours. We're all the same. Everything is everything, man.

/takes another bong hit

To any liberals reading this...

If you're in favor of equality of the sexes then take notice of this latest example of islamic misogyny.

(Not to forget sanctioned wife beatings, clitorectomys, and honor killings)

Recognize who the real enemy is and get with the program !

Hopefully this will actually help incite the youth against the government, which will obivously be helpful when their nuclear facilities and military installations are bombed.

Teheran = Terroran

feminists

PIMF

$100 that McCain's "Bomb Iran" singing joke gets more copy.

When islamists need to divert their population's attention or make it look as though they're doing something, they crack down on women. Instead of looking critically at themselves or their policies, trhey blame the Jews, the West, and women. Obviously, it's easiest to take it out on the women- so they do.

Western feminists are too busy fighting George Bush to care about their sisters in Iran.

This is what NOW, the National Organization for Women, and similar feminist organizations, refuse to notice, because they prefer to be allied to the islamofascist movements and states. They won't dare criticise their islamofascist buddies, although they continue to pretend that they are for women's rights.

Such a charming gov't.

Why can't they have a nuclear bomb too?

I immediately think "Bomb Iran" and then immediately think "but then we'll bomb these poor ladies too!" Bomb the f'ing religious policemen/women!

Flickr picture of posters on dress code in Iran - " 'It's-our-own-fault' - bad hejab "

Top poster blames women for being raped.

The Flickr link worked for me, but in case it doesn't for you, the pic is by DD/MM/YYY (that is the nick).

But I thought Islam was all about peace?

OT:

22:58 Explosion reported in predominantly Sunni area of Beirut (Reuters)

Ha'aretz newswire.

The left does not get it. Anything but BushCoHaliburtonMcChimpyCheney. The Four Riders of the Apoclypse? Sure. Micheal Moore? Why not? The Antichrist? He's welcome here. Mumia for President? Yeah, that was a long time ago. Hugo Chavez? Amindinenedjad or whatever the hell his name is, he's a powerful orator, we love him. The are down for anything, to include the utter destruction of what we know and love as our Country, our Nation. They are quite patriotic.

on a serious note:

Anyone read "The Case for Democracy" by Natan Sharansky?

He speaks specifically about the question that many in Iran and many here on LGF are asking: Why is the West so complicit and silent about these abuses and the "fear society" of Iran?

Like we defended those in the USSR yearning for freedom, we the "grassroots" of westernism must stand up for those in Iran who cannot speak up for themselves.

If the LLL were truly committed to "Human Rights" and "Peace in the Middle East" they would spend more time freeing the "fear societies" and less time attacking the only free society in the Middle East.

Lebanon levels Phakestinian refugee camp indiscriminately killing scores: silence!

Iran beats women at will, for the "crime" of not wearing special clothing: silence!

Jordan limits the property, social, and political rights of non Hashimites: silence!

Israel responds to terrorist attacks against its civilian population, with pin-point attacks against Terrorists: World outcry, front page news, and U.N. resolutions!

looking closely

Right.

I mean, Israel's got one...

I'm sure Rosie O will feature this on The View, claiming that it's a staged "Gulf of Tonkin" deal, since the kidnapped Brits didn't wind up being a pretext for war.

19 thabo

Of course they're beating women. After all, it's in the koran-

As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them.

surah 4:34

...just so long as you don't break any bones or teeth... remember that

Actually- they are NOT supposed to hit them in the face!

Ha'aretz again:

23:23 At least four people reported wounded in Beirut explosion (AP)

WHY

are we letting the islamic enemy have whole countries as sanctuaries where he may do these things with impunity?

WHY, Mr. Bush?

I am beginning to think of you as Carter lite.

Will the MSM ask Hillary to comment on this?

Now if Sherry Glasser would go to Iran and take off her top, this would stop.

/moron.

There is no compulsion in religion?

Regarding the last thread about the Hamas Mickey Mouse.

You can let Robert Iger know how you feel here:

robert.a.iger@disney.com

All she got was a beating ? What's her gripe, then ?

Why are the various militant feminazis in Europe and the US still silent?

Because Feminism is simply stealth Socialism, and because they have other goals. A feminist culture will eventually end up being squashed, because the men have either become too demoralized and weakened to protect their women, or because they have become so fed-up with incessant ridicule that they just don't care anymore. If Western men are pigs and “just like the Taliban” no matter what we do, why bother? Western women will then be squashed by more aggressive men from other cultures, which is exactly what is happening in Western Europe now. The irony is that when women launched the Second Wave of Feminism in the 1960s and 70s, they were reasonably safe and, in my view, not very oppressed. When the long-term effects of feminism finally set in, Western women may very well end up being genuinely oppressed under the boot of Islam. Radical feminism thus leads to oppression of women.

I wonder whether Virginia Wolf saw this coming. Maybe if she were alive today, she would hail the Islamic veil as an “alternative road to feminism” and write a book called A Burka of One’s Own. With some luck, it might even have earned her a Diversity Scholarship at Harvard.

Young men in sleeveless tee-shirts (even in boys' dorms!) or with spiky hair are also being harrassed.

The newspapers are full of pictures of women being arrested for their un-Islamic clothing, but foreign journalists have been prevented from filming it.

---which is why I look to blogs and Flickr (which involves smuggling the pics out of Iran, since most of these sites are blocked in Iran) for pics.

Where is NOW? Shouldn't have to wait much longer for the islamofascist hooligans enforcers at UCI and other leftard colleges to start beating the femrad lefties because they are immodestly dressed?
Doubt that NOW will get the message even then that the the [bigoted word]fundies are not part of the vanguard ushering in a socsharitopia for all victims of male oppression.

Iran is working for its leaders and/or terrorists [pardon my redundancy] to be able to go anywhere, or to slip away incognito, anytime, under cover of ... cover.

Finally, we have proof of the gross human rights violations directed at women in Iran. At last the feminists in this country, and our pioneering women in government such as San Fran Nan and Shrillary can pass resolutions and petition the UN for hearings on these gross acts of misogyny and government sponsored domestic terrorism directed at women. And I am sure such humanitarian groups as Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch will immediately rebuke Iran's leaders and demand hearings at the Hague. I will await the response of the left to these gross violations...

crickets at night, cicadas during the day...

57 buzzsawmonkey

Actually- they are NOT supposed to hit them in the face!

Why not?

I believe it's a hadith. They're supposed to hit them with a toothbrush.

Y'all remember how the Iranians danced in the streets when our hostages were taken?

All the mass demonstrations where they burned our flag and burned effigies of Uncle Sam?

How they referred to the U.S. as the Great Satan?

How they embraced the Mullahs and Islamic fundamentalism?

Fuck em, they got what they asked for.

The Protocols of the Daily Kos...

WAR CRIMINAL HALUTZ ON THE LOOSE AT HARVARD!
Activists appeal to the community as to his whereabouts

Activists and community members will converge today at Harvard Business School (HBS) in search of notorious war criminal Dan Halutz [dossier], last spotted there attending an executive management course.

The search kicks off today at the Business School. If Halutz is still missing after two days of vigorous searching, activists will reconverge at Harvard Yard on Wednesday, May 16 to declare him a fugitive from justice.

A seasoned war criminal with a long record of human rights abuses in Lebanon, the West Bank and Gaza, Halutz is now rubbing elbows with top CEOs and business leaders at HBS in an exclusive two-month, $56,000 executive training program.

...

...Israel allies with Gemayyel, not once, but over generations & multiple heads of state an defense ministers, a man whose family and it's related militas openly pattered themselves after Hitler, but no, it's Carter or Finkelstein, or go knows whom else that is a holocaust-denying antisemite that is our to destroy Israel and drive us all into the sea; and don't even get me started on the ties between Zionists in the 30's and 40's and the Nazis. It's just mind-boggling.

It's a good old fashioned Jew hunt!

This is obviously the result of our bombing Iraq for the last ten years. Haven’t you ever heard of “Blowback”

Ron Paul

#59

There is no compulsion in religion?

Yeah, Catholics beat the bloody shit out of those that don't find the Pope in Rome compelling.

Is that what you meant?

/obvious

#34 Ben Hur - Yeah right. Crickets chirping is about all you will hear from these folks. What is a little whack on the head compared to the honor killings, hanging 16 year olds, lapidation, and all the rest. Bunch of total f'n hypocrites.

So, blood streaming down a woman's face is OK, but uncovered hair isn't?

I guess the mullahs and I just have absolutely different ideas of what's obscene.

-jcr

Surely all those still whining about their rights allegedly being infringed by police during the GOP Convention in NYC will be leading the charge against these human rights violations.

fjordman

That's the best nutshell of that argument I've ever heard. Spot on.

Missing link: From Lebanon to Palestine/Israel to Harvard; Who are the "Militants/Terrorists?"

67 dhimmishelter

Great point. We touch a couple of korans with bare hands and all hell breaks loose. They beat up their women and nothing...

Today's Feminists are Irrelevant.

The Woman's Movement is dead.

I have a Denis Potvin joke ready, but this really isn't anything to make light of.

#55 Ojoe 5/21/2007 2:07:49 pm PDT

WHY

are we letting the islamic enemy have whole countries as sanctuaries where he may do these things with impunity?

WHY, Mr. Bush?

I am beginning to think of you as Carter lite.

What whould you suggest for Mr. Bush to do about it?

islam

delenda

est.

Since Hillary and Pelosi and Rosie condone such behavior they should be dealt with in the same manner.It would only show they really believe that Islamicnuts are people like us being mothers and fathers and brothers and sisters.
David

Fuck em, they got what they asked for.

I doubt the young lady in the photo was alive then.

#80 hot rod kid

Today's Feminists are Irrelevant.

I'd actually feel better if they'd grow a pair and stand up for the women of the world, but they don't.

The fact is and was that their agenda was hidden in something else. Something a little more sinister.

It was evident in the way they ran Bill Clinton out of town on a rail (not!).

#64 Cattt

"Young men in sleeveless tee-shirts... are also being harrassed."

Damn, if you can't wear a "wife-beater" in Dar-al-Islam, where can you?

Such tough men, beating women.

/spit!

83 ChenZhen

Well for one thing wage a war that moves and take out all the theocracies & tell them their rule is over and religion is private only.

See John Lewis's essay "No Substitute for Victory"

at "The Objective Standard"

Now, we're letting that country build the bomb.

Nuts, completely nuts.

So they're good at beating up girls.

I'm looking forward to seeing how they stand up to the IDF, who have guns.

Y'all remember how the Iranians danced in the streets when our hostages were taken?

All the mass demonstrations where they burned our flag and burned effigies of Uncle Sam?

How they referred to the U.S. as the Great Satan?

How they embraced the Mullahs and Islamic fundamentalism?

Fuck em, they got what they asked for.

The woman in the photo is about 25. That would make her a small child during the hostage era. And given she's obviously had the shit knocked out of her for not conforming to Sharia, I'd guess she's not the effigy-burning type.

And since most Iranians are - roughly - that age or younger, your 'fuck em' is addressed at the children of the people who were adults during the 70s and 80s.

If the CIA/Mossad would STOP PAYING these women to purposely break Iran's laws...

#58 Ojoe

Now if Sherry Glasser would go to Iran and take off her top, this would stop.

If she did that, there would be mass suicide.

I have it on good authority that allah has just decided to quit islam out of disgust.

83 Chen Zhen:

I'm not "Ojoe", but I would suggest that the POTUS immediately call a press conference wherein he openly state the type of Human Right abuses that are taking place in Iran. Thereafter, he will start a campaign against Iran wherein all aid, deals, and agreements would be specifically tied to Iran accepting more Democratic principles.

Like the Phakestinian supporters do against Israel, the call for Freedom of Choice, and Freedom of Speech, and Freedom of Dress, etc., should take place during all public outings by the POTUS.

Iran (and other similar countries) should be forced to, at a minimum, accept minimal forms of self-representation and Human Rights!

The POTUS should take a firm stand against all countries who are not free!

94 Ward C

Like the killer joke, except worse.

#83 ChenZhen
What would Ron Paul do?

Avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord.

Coming soon to a city near you,
If we don't stop it over there/here.

Nancy is a real freaking inspiration,
Her, In her Bee~hive cleaning outfit.

96 WoG

You used the word "forced",

there's the rub.

#69 maddogg 5/21/2007 2:11:16 pm PDT

Y'all remember how the Iranians US citizens danced in the streets when our hostages were taken?

All the mass demonstrations where they burned our flag and burned effigies of Uncle Sam?

How they referred to the U.S. as the Great Satan?

How they embraced the Mullahs and Islamic fundamentalism?

Fuck em, they got what they asked for.

It happens right now in US of A: Pink Code, A.N.S.W.E.R, ACLU, CAIR - [insert any moonbat organization here]

Jimmy Carter could stop this shit if he was out of the Nursing Home..

Free Jimmy Carter!

#95 Cicero05

Now thats just silly.

Nothing is too disgusting or vile for Allah.

C'mon,

It's not like they put panties on their heads.

That would be torture.

#87 imploder

When i was growing up, I remember the Women's Movement. They had some legitimate concerns: equal pay for equal work, opportunity to have a career in some men dominated fields, stop sexual harrassment at the work place. Those issues were real and for the most part the worst of the struggle has passed. Economic opportunities for women are much greater than when my mother was growing up.

Today, it's diferent.
As far as I can see, today's so-called feminists leaders are mostly dykes who have no conncetion with normal working women, especially those women who have a husband and kids. Today's feminism/women's movement resembles a bizarre socialist party who preach that Jesus was a gay communist.

Jimmy Carter is the Father of Islamofascist Terrorism, Estb:1979

Carter's policies in the late 1970's are the root cause of nearly all of this Islamofascist human butcher activity.

I'll not say what I believe in my heart needs to be done.

#63 Fjordman

Yes, but I was sort of hoping that in one of the various open registration periods, a severely militant feminazi (or apologist) would have registered and seized this opportunity to have an intervention and raise my consciousness.

Where's Hillary! when you need her?

Where are the Orange Suit actors? Guys, the Gitmo skit is passe.

There is a real teachable moment here.

Perhaps one or more, or better yet several, of the Duke 88 could explain their failure to comment on this event, to sign a petition or even to act at all.

This time the photographic evidence indicates that something really happened; the perp(s) was(were) within arm's (or truncheon's) reach, not half way across town.

GOod thing Nancy knows to cover herself.

The fact is and was that their agenda was hidden in something else. Something a little more sinister.

Author Daniel Horowitz has written about American feminist Betty Friedan, whose 1963 book “The Feminine Mystique” is widely seen as marking the beginning of the Second Wave of feminism. Horowitz documents how Friedan had for decades before this been a hardened Marxist. It is revealing that she tried to hide her background, presenting herself only as an average suburban housewife. In the early drafts, Friedan quoted Friedrich Engels, but these quotations were cut out before the book was published. She was pushing Socialism by other means, and she was smart enough to hide this fact. In the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels had called for the abolition of family. Friedan denounced the American suburban family household as “a comfortable concentration camp.”

Western women, encouraged by modern talk show hostesses such as Oprah Winfrey, talk about “having it all,” and have been deceived into believing that if they cannot have it all, this is due to male oppression. Men know that nobody can “have it all,” you have to give up something to get something. Maybe women have discovered that working life wasn’t all that it was cracked up to be? Men do, after all, universally die years before women all over the world.

Western women have been taught to view their own men as enemies, yet fail to grasp that they are used as pawns by Socialists, who want to increase state power by breaking down the nuclear family to ease indoctrination of children. Western women also fail to grasp that in the end, only their men can ensure their physical security and protect them from the violence of other men.

appalling. but i suspect this young woman still buys into the anti-Israel, anti-"evil Zionist jooos" propaganda, and still celebrated when Americans died on 9/11

#92 Colt

The woman in the photo is about 25. That would make her a small child during the hostage era. And given she's obviously had the shit knocked out of her for not conforming to Sharia, I'd guess she's not the effigy-burning type.

And why would you guess that? You certainly make a lot of assumptions based on a photo.

And since most Iranians are - roughly - that age or younger, your 'fuck em' is addressed at the children of the people who were adults during the 70s and 80s.

No, my "fuck em" was all encompassing of Iran and Iranians, including the ones who are working on nuclear weapons, with no problems from the nice Iranian people on that issue, as far as I can tell.

And here I thought "fashion police" was just an expression.

Clearly these women need Nancy Pelosi to give them some islamofabulous styling tips.

#21 Fjordman

Ali Sina and others always claim that the mullahs clamp down on the female dress code whenever they feel powerful. They must feel very powerful now...

That's what scares me.

Clashes--When a member of the RoP beats an innocent woman for showing some hair

Abuse-- When a US serviceman plays loud music during an interrogation

got it?

#92 Colt

My thoughts exactly; let's say that childrens are paying their parents sin.

Even if, as in any revolution (involution in case of Iran), I suppose it was an important percentage of population who didn't participate or agreed with islamic rule but just kept aside in order to survive.

There are plenty of good people in Iran who hate Ahmedinajad and everything he stands for.

Unfortunately, the world has abandoned these poor folks to the vicious Islamists and the mad mullahs who rule the country by fear and brutality.

The refusal of the UN, the liberal left, and the feminists to condemn the Iranian regime amounts to criminal complicity.

101 Ojoe:

I don't think there is a problem with the idea I presented. (Natan Sharanky's idea, set forth in The Case for Democracy)

Although we cannot "force" Iran to do anything necessarily, we can stop encouraging and giving "shelter" to their undemocratic society. Iran, despite their claim, is hurting economically and required the assistance of the West to support is undemocratically installed regime.

Although there were many cheers against the U.S. etc., it does not necessarily mean that there are not those who are pretending to like the Iranian goverment out of fear that what happened to this woman (or worse) would happen to them if they exposed their true feelings.

Thus, if the United States were to encourage the West to tie the support, aid, etc., they give to Iran (maybe even their Nuke desires) to TRUE democratic reforms within the country, it would create a massive amount of internal and external pressure on the predominately hated Goverment. Similar to the USSR, the Gov would be forced to either (a) give right to their people or (b) no longer have the external Western support they desperately need.

Like the USSR, they will either be forced to give in to their people by passing some democratic reforms (which would eventually create a brushfire of Democracy within Iran toppling the Mullahs), or cause so much pressure from the Gov on the people that the people will eventually have enough of it.

Also if we accept that the World is doing nothing to stop Iran from getting a Nuke, we could at least tie-in our "support" of them getting nukes with Democratic internal reforms. Thus, when they get a Nuke it will be in the hands of a Democracy vs. the Mad Mullahs!

#111 Durendal
Have some compassion for your fellow human beings.

These episodes won't even crack the msm, with any seriousness.

The femenists, et al, won't ever even be aware that this is going on in the world, and the various "Human Rights orgs", won't have a comment, nor will they attempt to do anything about it.

Being ignorant is no excuse, the people who are in a position of power, are in direct complicity with these various barbaric actions, by their non actions.

Don't worry, America's feminists are on top of the problem. The US will be out of their uteri shortly and Hillary will bare her boobs.

OT, but somewhat related -

I'm sure somebody has already posted this, but:

Fox:Female Pakistani Minister Resigns Over Hug

Pakistan’s woman tourism minister tendered her resignation today after hardline Islamic clerics accused her of obscenity for hugging her instructor after a charity parachute jump.

Nilofar Bakhtiar, the Federal Minister for Tourism, was pictured wearing a brightly coloured jumpsuit and hugging her instructor after a tandem jump to raise money for child victims of the earthquake that struck Pakistan in October 2005.

The images provoked the wrath of clerics in Islamabad, who accused Bakhtiar of posing in an obscene manner and violating the Islamic moral norms...

#105 Ben Hur
That is funny,It would be even funnier if they had gotten a Brittany flash shot of the girl in the car.
David

#117 Sabraguy

Unfortunately, the world has abandoned these poor folks to the vicious Islamists and the mad mullahs who rule the country by fear and brutality.

Those "abondoned folks", are the very people that Jimmy Carter is directly responsible for betraying in the 1970's.

This is exactly why he is lashing out right now, to try and draw attention away from the actions, his very actions, which started to make the world a much more dangerous place from the late 1970's until now.

The Left gives Islam a pass on unspeakable abuses and violence because their hatred for Christians is greater than their fear of Islam. Why? Because the majority of Christians in America are against socialism, abortion and gay marriage. The Left's hatred for Christianity is so fierce that they forget that the opposition they receive from the Christian voters is in the context of a democratic process, where as opposition from Islam is always in the form of inhumane and extreme violence. With such blind hate and narrow-minded vision, the Left is heading towards self-destruction.

#98 Killgore Trout 5/21/2007 2:22:27 pm PDT

What would Ron Paul do?

Hack into Iranian TV, dress up like Mickey Mouse, and declare that only spineless turds beat women like that.

#118: Look, Iran is probably a better candidate than Iraq, but we really have to scrap this idea that we can, or should, export democracy to Islamic countries. Islam is not compatible with democracy. Besides, democracy isn't an all-purpose solution to all problems. The democratic system has for all practical purposes already ceased functioning in Europe, and is under pressure even in the United States, as the latest immigration bill indicates. For the first time in my life, I'm not sure whether the Western, democratic system can survive the 21st century in its present form.

OK, Hannity's playing that damn song again.

No Sean, I can't imagine hundreds of cell phones being held up.

No, your intro song, makes no sense.

Let the weak be strong.

Let the right be wrong.

Does not make any sense as a 9/11 song!

Going home!

#125 Hot Rod Kid

The Left's hatred for Christianity is so fierce that they forget that the opposition they receive from the Christian voters is in the context of a democratic process, where as opposition from Islam is always in the form of inhumane and extreme violence. With such blind hate and narrow-minded vision, the Left is heading towards self-destruction.

Thats right, and guess who gets to go along for the ride.

Now somebody explain to me why American bred women are marrying the Mullahs again?

It's a shame this Mullah didn't meet Mrs. Natalie while in her car. I am positive the first time some "man" busts her in the head while sitting at an intersection, it's going to look like a demolition derby when things are through.

And the Mullah is going to be wearing an oil pan for his keffiyeh if he can get up.

What is ironic, and sheer bravado, is Jimmuh Carter claiming Bush's administration is the worst in US history concerning international affairs...

What was that thing that happened in 1979? What was it again? It went on for like a year and Jimmuh was absolutely impotent (except for Desert One, which was a wake up call for Special Ops, which was woefully underfunded and unorganized in Jimmuh's administration).

Jimmuh was a failed president, and he's turned out to be a World-class @$$hat to boot...

#127 Fjordman

For the first time in my life, I'm not sure whether the Western, democratic system can survive the 21st century in its present form.

I'll help settle your uncertainty.

Western Democracy will not survive the 21'st century, and history will prove that correct.

There is no earthly power that can stop the deception which is traversing the world.

History will prove this correct.

And here I thought "fashion police" was just an expression.

That remark cracked me up, even though Iranian militants consider the burqa Allah's law, not contemporary or traditional fashion.

speaking of muslim mysogeny

Check out this story...

Hey, Jimmuh Carter was a nuclear engineer in the Navy, maybe he could go help the mullahs get their reactors fired up...

It could be his new pet cause: Habitat for Inhumanity

#129 maddog

Thats right, and guess who gets to go along for the ride.

If only we could step aside and let the two factions dyke, er, duke it out.

Now remember boyth and girlth, ALL cultureth are the thame!</liberal mode="politically correct" mindset="orwellian">

Welcome to South Afristan.

Way under the radar, al-Q in South Africa.

So Rosie was correct:

"Radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam in a country like America where we have separation of church and state."

Perhaps she'd like to prance around at Haft Tir Square in Tehran.

islam is a abusive, deceptive, murderous cult.

Don't take my word for it, study the teachings of the bombhead and the quran.

There is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim", there are only those who believe in abuse, deceit and murder.

islam is as much of a euphorian dream, as the left's euphorian dream, neither will ever be acheived, no matter what, but both are going to inflict a world full of pain in their vain attempts.

#119 Killgore Trout

i do have compassion...my comment was not an endorsement by any means. i just worry that the idea that the women and men suffering under the brutal oppression of Islam will embrace American freedom is a case of wishful thinking. (eg Iraq)

iSLam at it's best. But of course, this is not the real iSLam beating women. It is just some radicals that has hijacked it.

yeah right.

#135 imploder

LOL :)

#110 fjordman

Western women also fail to grasp that in the end, only their men can ensure their physical security and protect them from the violence of other men.

Its no coincidence that most serial killers target prostitutes and runaway's (ie; usually women with no men or family to protect them).

No coincidence that you see a lot of rapes in Sweden where the state is the seen as the sole protector. They should be ashamed. I'm ashamed to be ethnically part Swedish when I read about that.

You wont see a girl with 4 brothers and a big family in a midwestern U.S. town being raped too often. There are consequences and repercussions to such actions.

The state is worthless when it comes to deterrence, always has been. Thats the big secret. Its fear of personal reprisal that keeps the peace.

#106 Hot Rod Kid

As far as I can see, today's so-called feminists leaders are mostly dykes

This is an intolerance thread - feeling any dissonance?

#142 missouri boy

Hey, I want to come to Misouri next spring and hunt turkeys.

#107 republic

I'll not say what I believe in my heart needs to be done.

I'll say it. Iran needs to be de-Islamistfied and turned over to Exxon for oil exploitation. 21st century man needs petroleum; 7th century man has petroleum. Take it.

#142 missouri boy

missouri!

It was a genuine typo.

:)

#30 Bomb Iran

The version you posted is actually just an anti-Bush parody song.

I prefer the version done on Rush's show with the voice impersonation of McCain

"We'll turn the rocks into pebbles, the pebbles into sand and bomb Iran, bomb bomb, bomb bomb Iran" Just kinda catchy. :-)

AND she was driving?! surprised she wasn't gang raped first and then had her accelerator foot chopped off. guess she was lucky to just get a warning beating for a first offense...

hey... is that make-up i detect under the blood?

146 republic 5/21/2007 2:54:41 pm PDT

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142 missouri boy

Hey, I want to come to Misouri next spring and hunt turkeys.

Good! I hate those birds crapping all over the place. And, You better be prepared to hit a deer, if you are driving. In my part of the state, one deer hunts everytime you drive a car.

I wonder what her fashion infraction was. She appears to be wearing the all enveloping black chador.

Perhaps she had a "scarf malfunction".

#134 zellmad

I clicked on link. I got to webpage but no photo or video was displayed. Do I need a special plug-in to view it?

OT

Iraq draws up plans if U.S. forces leave

BAGHDAD, Iraq - Iraq's military is drawing up plans on how to cope if U.S.-led forces leave the country quickly, the defense minister said Monday.

The statement by Defense Minister Abdul-Qader al-Obeidi marked the first time a senior Iraqi official has spoken publicly about the possibility of a quick end to the U.S.-led mission.

It was unclear if the remarks were more than routine contingency planning.

"The army plans on the basis of a worst-case scenario so as not to allow any security vacuum," al-Obeidi said. "There are meetings with political leaders on how we can deal with a sudden pullout."

The White House is negotiating with Democratic leaders in Congress over a war-spending bill for Iraq. President Bush vetoed the first version because it set timetables for the withdrawal of U.S. forces.

This would be a desperate situation but it is not a foregone conclusion that the Malaki government would collapse. What is a foregone conclusion is that the civilian death toll would multiply exponentially as the government forces and their ad hoc allies do whatever they see as necessary to destroy their insurgent enemies.
The constitutional government's survival would deny the western left its cherished goal of repeating their iconic triumph in Vietnam. Everything depends on Malaki's ability to put survival ahead of graft, corruption, and tribal loyalty. Right now is the time to take the necessary steps.
For example, the Iraqi Air Force still has no combat aircraft, probably because US planners do not trust Iraqi pilots to adhere to US RoE and targeting policy. Malaki should dip into his oil money and take immediate steps to acquire modernized Russian combat planes; available from from India, Romania, and many others; and train former Saddam air and ground crews to operate them.
Without American precision guided munitions, there is a risk that even a small force of these could turn Iraqi neighborhoods into miniature Dresdens. The media will no doubt report this in loving detail, allowing leftists and peace hypocrites to contemplate the "peace" they have achieved.

#151 missouri boy

Good! I hate those birds crapping all over the place. And, You better be prepared to hit a deer, if you are driving. In my part of the state, one deer hunts everytime you drive a car.

LOL!

Deer are easy to hunt, turkey's are a bit tougher.

If a turkey had the sense of smell that a deer has, nobody would ever harvest one.

Where they crap, is most often where they roost.

You must have roost trees nearby.

No coincidence that you see a lot of rapes in Sweden where the state is the seen as the sole protector.

True. The state becomes a substitute husband. In fact, it doesn't replace just the husband, it replaces your entire nuclear and extended family, raises your children and cares for your elderly.

How the Welfare State Corrupted Sweden

A significant difference between my generation and the preceding one is that most of us were not raised by our parents at all. We were raised by the authorities in state daycare centers from the time of infancy; then pushed on to public schools, public high schools, and public universities; and later to employment in the public sector and more education via the powerful labor unions and their educational associations. The state is ever-present and is to many the only means of survival — and its welfare benefits the only possible way to gain independence.

You can't even call these people barbarians. They are savages.

How soon before we see this type of behavior at UC Irvine or Berkeley?

Although I know women are in fact beaten by the Islamic thugs in Iran, these photos seem fishy to me. A face covered in blood, but no fat lip, bloody nose, or black eye? It looks to me like basically "WWF style" cutting of foreheads for dramatic effect.

I am late to the thread but did not see it mentioned that one of the oddities of these religious police is that when they find a victim they rip of the veil or hajib off the victim. Often this leaves them in their underwear. This bizarre behavior, totally at odds with the stated aim of modesty, reveals a great deal about the sexual insecurity of the Islamic nutcases.

#159 wooga
I suggest you check out Youtube. There are dozens of videos of these arrests

155 republic

Missouri has a fall season too, but the spring turkey season is the big one.
I, personally do not hunt turkeys, but all my buddies usually get at least one a year.(2 allowed)
As far as being hard to hunt- a flashlight and a gun at night is all you need. (lol- i'm joking)

Durendal:

The problem about Iraq has very little to do with the Iraqis not accepting Democracy.

Its about external non democratic forces inforcing their "Fear" on the Iraqi people and the U.S. refusing to stop it from happening.

If you recall after the liberation and before the "insurgency", the Iraqi people WERE with the U.S. willing to accept Democracy. But once external factors and further "fear" came into Iraq, the Iraqi people fell back into what was comfortable...ie: the anti-democratic Fear society mentality!

We do not inforce Democracy by force as was attempted in Iraq but by pressure as was done in USSR.

Fjordman thinks Western Civ won't make it. I think it's 50/50. The main problem is that we continue to focus on Islamism--a symptom of our decadent decline--instead of atheistic leftism, which is the cause of our decline.

Consider Little Mermaid in Muslim garb.

Where is the problem here? Is it the fact that Muslims have yet again issued a not-so-velied threat? I don't think so. If we were less decadent we could fight back.

The problem is the reaction of the leftist (and militanly atheist) degenerates at Boing Boing:

The famous Little Mermaid statue in Copenhagen was spotted sporting a smart-looking Muslim dress and head scarf yesterday.

Smart looking?

Oblivious to reality doesn't begin to describe these people. Until we can deal with the Left it is absolutely pointless to get worked up about Islam. Muslims are simply doing what they have always done.

We've changed. For the worse. That has to be countered, and soon. America is the last outpost of the traditional West, and she is transforming into a bizarre amalgam of Canada and Mexico right before our eyes.

#160 pat

This bizarre behavior, totally at odds with the stated aim of modesty, reveals a great deal about the sexual insecurity of the Islamic nutcases.

I don't believe that it has anything to do with "sexual insecurity"!

It's pure evil, along with everything else included about the ideology of islam.

Pure evil.

STICK WITH US, PLEADS IRAQ DIPLO

May 21, 2007 -- Iraq's U.N. ambassador has a stark message for the American people: Don't abandon us now.

"We have to know we have a partner here, that we have a partner we can rely on," Ambassador Feisal Amin al-Istrabadi told The Post in a rare interview.

"This country is at war. We are at war together. We are allied together at war against a common enemy," al-Istrabadi said. "We have one way forward: together."

Al-Istrabadi's remarks came as he warned that the debate in Washington over the course of the Iraq war is being "poll-driven" because of the 2008 elections.

It's also being closely monitored by a key enemy, he said: al Qaeda.

He also warned, "If there weren't a single American soldier" left in Iraq, al Qaeda members and other terrorists there would be "killing people, massacring them by the hundreds and thousands every month."

"It's a very real threat. It is a clear and present danger," said al-Istrabadi, who is also Iraq's deputy permanent representative to the United Nations.

Rather than a public debate that focuses on American withdrawal, al-Istrabadi said that now is the time to press ahead with the surge in U.S. troops to crush insurgent forces in Iraq.

"We've made remarkable progress, and so it seems to me that this is the time to redouble the commitment, to help us to complete that process," he said.

Maybe we should send some of those "queers for palestine" or the "Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism" over there and see if they come back singing the same song.

Why is this not on the front page of Drudge?

Why not CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews? If this happened anywhere in the "civilized" world, it would be all over the wires!

#168 buzzsawmonkey

Well, as long as it's pure.

OK, islam is evil.

169 ArcherB

Why is this not on the front page of Drudge?

Has Drudge become a sell-out?

Now wait just a cotton pickin' minute...George Bush is sitting by while our military is putting panties on the heads of insurgents - humiliating them - and we should give a damn about a few uppity Iranian women receiving their just due for wearing jeans?

/major,please let the bombing begin now, sarc

And if the West falls to Islam, this is exactly what will become the norm here. The more you learn about the goings-on in Iran, the more you hate the Carter maladministration for not destroying that vicious theocracy after the storming of the US Embassy in 1979. Nobody has caused more damage through doing nothing since Munich in 1938 than this feckless waster of oxygen, who even now continues to haunt and irritate us with his lame bromides. So much trouble could have been saved since that infamous date by affirmative action 27 or 28 years ago. And I perish the thought of this being the future of women in the West through our inaction and the treachery of leftist appeasers of this sort of evil. That violent thugocracy has to go, and its entire leadership given their one way tickets to the bowels of Hell.

#167

HELLLOOO FRISCO ! ! !

#169 ArcherB

Why not CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews? If this happened anywhere in the "civilized" world, it would be all over the wires!

Only if a conservative Republican or Christian did it.

Then it would be all over the wires, and every "Human Rights group" in the world would be outraged.

Fjordman thinks Western Civ won't make it.

I didn't say that. If I thought we were already dead, I wouldn't spend a lot of my time writing essays for free. But right now, our democratic system isn't working very well. Cynically speaking, there are two basic tasks a government needs to perform in order to claim legitimacy for collecting taxes:

1. Keep criminals off the streets and maintain public order, so citizens can go about their affairs and conduct trade in reasonable safety. If this fails, and if ordinary citizens do not feel a minimum amount of security for their lives and property, trade and investments suffer, and the economy breaks down.

2. Uphold the territorial integrity of the country, and defend its borders and its citizens against external threats.

Right now, governments all over the Western world are performing poorly on the former, and failing abysmally on the latter, while still collecting obscene amounts of taxes. This situation simply isn’t sustainable for much longer. Our nations need to regain control over our own borders. The problem is, we are faced with the most massive migration waves in the history of mankind, at the same time as international law and human rights fundamentalism is crippling our ability to maintain our integrity, and while our political and business elites care less and less about their own people.

The global population boom we are witnessing now is so massive and unprecedented that rulebooks written generations or centuries ago no longer apply. Democratic nations will be faced with a permanent migration tsunami, and will break down unless they manage to regain control over their borders.

To give all y'all an insight into the Woman's POV on this: I just got through telling a woman about this. She is VERY into women's issues and equality. Her reply: "But it's part of their culture." Wow! How evil flourishes these days.

#164 Pro-Bush Canuk

You hit the nail on the head.

If the idiot lefties hate us because of our ideology, shouldn't they hate the radical muslims 10 times as much as they hate the right?

#145 jamgarr

One person's dissonance is another person's truth.

Free Speech, baby. Dig it.

#173 SpiritOf1683

And I perish the thought of this being the future of women in the West

Why are the voices of the woman of the West strangely silent?

Woman of power, Pelosi, Clinton, NOW, et al.

They are all blinded in their quest for power.

179 Happygolucky:

Then I expect to see "that woman" at the next Neo-Nazi rally to reinstall Slavery as it was undoubtedly "part of American Culture" (at the time)

one more thing...I 100% guarantee that the female Iranian religious police are absolute train wrecks...They couldn't get laid in a mosque...

maddog #69

Anyone under the age of 28 wasn't even born yet in 1979, and a lot of people who are older than that now were small children then, so I don't think that these young people "deserve" any of this.

When a society begins to enforce purely social "laws" with violence, it shows how completely bankrupt it is. I think that the Iranian regime is rotten, and it will fall. The only question is whether it will succeed in going nuclear first.

#156 Fjordman

From what I have read there arent too many people within Sweden's borders that read essay's like this.

The one's who speak up and try to write things like that against the state are beaten by private thugs much like in Iran.

# 175 Buzz
LOL
You are correct, sir.

# 164 P-B C

I might have chosen a different example, but I do believe your statement regarding root causes and dangers is exactly correct. Internal enemies are the true danger.

# 110 Fjordman

As usual, your analysis is on the mark. I would say, though, that for many feminists, the connection between Marxism and Feminism is less sophisticated than you suggest. At a basic level, all you need to do is take the Communist Manifesto, replace "proletariat" with "women" and "bourgeoisie" with "men," and you've got the ideology in a nutshell. Beyond that, "reproduction" replaces "production." "Keep you laws off my body" is just a variant of "the workers control the means of production." As far as socialism is concerned, it strikes me as (ironically) an extension of the "50s" mentality that the feminists (supposedly) decry. How was a man's worth measured? By the number and value of durable goods he could provide for his wife. Now we've replaced durable goods with "social" goods, which are harder to measure and, not surprisingly, more expensive. And the sort of social goods provided are the kind which would most appeal to upper middle class white folk. Meanwhile, the goal remains Lenin's "paradise of commodities" where at the end of their day of meaningful production, women may choose from the cornucopia of goods produced under the new economic regime. As for men, there will always be enemies of the revolution who must be suppressed. Women of the world! You have nothing to lose but your aprons! Men of the world, welcome to the new Gulag.

OK, the last part is hyperbolic, but the kids have really been getting on my nerves today. Gotta run and put them in bed and finish cleaning up the kitchen.

#186 Amy

The only question is whether it will succeed in going nuclear first.

Iran is already nuclear, and there isn't an entity in the entire world who can investigate or enforce this.

The question should be, when, and who are they first going to try and use it on.

I guess Israel is a no brainer answer, at least in part.

#183 republic

It is the corrosive effects of Leftism again, which has turned their brains to mush. After 40 years of PC multiculturalism, far too many of our population fail to recognise the evil in this sort of thing - much to our cost. And there's no such thing as 'girl power' in Iran, where the women have to spend their lives covered up in hideous sacks.

wooga #159

Scalp wounds are dramatically bloody; the blood can come down in sheets from a fairly superficial cut, because the blood vessels are so plentiful and close to the surface.

But I don't really understand your point. It isn't so bad that she got hit hard enough to make her bleed, because she wasn't beaten up even more?

#177 fjordman

Good posts again! I don't know how far Americans will go , but something will have to break. I want my country back!

Of course, being a snarky bastard at times, my reply to her was: "Oh, so it would be okay for them to kill every third person, if that was part of their culture?" As nearly always, I got blank stares for my fatuous question. Where, oh where, do these people draw the line at being aghast or bland?

Look long and hard at that face.

It could be yours someday.

#180 captain b-1

If the idiot lefties hate us because of our ideology, shouldn't they hate the radical muslims 10 times as much as they hate the right?

Insanity trumps math.

republic #191

They're not there yet. They don't have enough centrifuges going to produce enough fuel for a bomb, and even when they do, they'll only be able to make about one bomb a year for a while.

As for where they'd drop it, I agree that that's a total no-brainer. Then the only questions will be how much of Iran will be turned into glassy parking lots, and whether the means will be by fission or fusion.

#192 SpiritOf1683

#183 republic

It is the corrosive effects of Leftism again, which has turned their brains to mush. After 40 years of PC multiculturalism, far too many of our population fail to recognise the evil in this sort of thing - much to our cost. And there's no such thing as 'girl power' in Iran, where the women have to spend their lives covered up in hideous sacks.

You're right.

I was talking to a fellow hunter from my state, this guy owns an outfitting buisness, and I told him about the newest anti-gun legislation which is pending in the state House, and he wasn't even aware.

Still, ignorance is no excuse, and I am well aware of who my friends are, and who I would be willing to stand side by side with, and who I wouldn't even spit on, when worst comes to worst.

The women of Iran need to unite themselves, disarm their men, and take matters into their own hands. They have more power than they realize.

Where are the women in the West who will rise up in protest? I am one.

I understand all to well what it means to live with domestic violence, because I'm a longterm survivor myself, I lived with an abuser for over 20 years. My abuser was also a religious man... a Christian, who was dogmatic to the point of violence against his wife and children.

When you are being abused it I can be difficult to even recognize that what you are experiencing IS abuse... when you have someone or a lot of someones messing with your head, and beating you down verbally, emotionally, physically and economically. Your basic human rights may have been so perverted that you believe you are actually deserving of this kind of vile treatment.

NO WOMAN deserves this kind of treatment.

Women of Iran, rise up in strength and take back what is yours.

The "religious" nature of the abuse that you are experiencing, makes the crime or your attackers even more insidious and appalling... and yes the supression and subjugation of another human being is a crime by Western standards, and should be a crime everywhere. This is not what the practice of religion should be all about, and I'm sure that in your hearts you know this to be fact.

I know in my heart that it is far more difficult for you to take matters into your own hands than it was for me, because you are born and raised and live in a male dominated culture,... cowed by a fear-based religion that threatens you with humiliation, mutilation and even death if you do not comply. The brutally dogmatic policies of your religious leaders are integrated into, and implimented by, government officials and will be difficult to excise this evil from your society... but it CAN be done. Do not wait for your men to do it, it will never happen. If you are ever to find safety and liberation from evil charading as religious piety, you must find your collective voice.

You are intelligent, loving, vital human beings and you are far stronger than you think you are. Your men feel that they must subjugate you, because they are afraid of you... yes, this is the truth. It is the undercurrent that runs below the surface of all abusive men and all abusive cultures and societies. They know full well what would occur if you all rose up in one strong collective voice... and they know that the only way to prevent that is to separate, confine, punish and subjugate.

Women of Iran, please know that there are women here in the U.S. and in the West who understand your pain and would help you if they could. You must find the strength to start the process yourselves. It will not be easy and it will not be safe, but the brutal human rights abuses charading as acts of religious piety that you are experiencing will never end until you unite as a single and powerful entity to beat off your attackers with a big collective stick.

Do it, and take back what is yours. Take back your basic rights as human beings to pursue knowledge, and live your lives in peace, freedom, and safety. You are strong in numbers... use your collective stick, and your abusers will flee from you in terror.

As for the women who are supporting, promoting and implimenting these vicious policies... helping to perpetrate violence against other women for whatever reason... show no mercy. They are deserving of the SAME treatment as the abusers that they are enabling, and deserve nothing less from you.

Please know that you are not alone, and that there are those of us here in the West who are prayerfully supporting you.

May you be comforted (and encouraged) by this: [Link: heart-2-heart.ca...]

Domestic violence is a scourage against humanity, and I despise it. Domestic violence that is sanctioned by religious leaders and implemented by government officials - violence that goes about disuising itself as religious piety - is perhaps the most vile evil known to mankind.

OT, but one guess what cult he belongs to:

Doctor Convicted In N.Y. Terror Aid Case

NEW YORK -- A Florida doctor was convicted Monday of providing material support to terrorists by agreeing to treat injured al-Qaida fighters so they could return to Iraq to battle Americans.

Dr. Rafiq Abdus Sabir, 52, was convicted in Manhattan federal court after a three-week trial that featured testimony by him and Ali Soufan, an FBI agent who posed as an al-Qaida recruiter in a sting operation that led to four arrests.

When the verdict was read, Sabir just looked straight ahead. Later, as he was escorted from the courtroom, he waved to supporters, who said, "Stay strong."

His lawyer, Ed Wilford, said, "We are deeply disappointed in the verdict."

The charges against the Harlem-born Sabir, including conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, carry a potential maximum sentence of 30 years in prison.

The verdict came after jurors heard audio tapes of a May 2005 ceremony in a Bronx apartment in which Sabir and his best friend, Tariq Shah, a martial arts expert and jazz musician, pledged loyalty to al-Qaida and, the government alleged, Osama bin Laden.

Shah pleaded guilty just before trial to providing material support to a terrorist organization and agreed to serve 15 years in prison, though he has not yet been formally sentenced. A Brooklyn bookstore owner who pleaded guilty was sentenced to 13 years in prison. A Washington, D.C., cab driver has pleaded guilty and agreed to serve 15 years in prison.

Sabir, of Boca Raton, Fla., testified at trial that Shah never told him he was talking with an al-Qaida recruiter. At the pledge ceremony, Soufan mispronounced al-Qaida more than a dozen times, Sabir said. He also said he did not know "sheik Osama" meant bin Laden.

Who did he think it was? Barack Hussein Obama ?

#112 maddogg

And why would you guess that? You certainly make a lot of assumptions based on a photo.

Why would I guess that an Iranian woman who refuses to wear the headscarf isn't the effigy burning, death to America type?

For several simple reasons:

1. Modest dress - the headscarf being a key element - is the cultural norm in Iran since the 1979 revolution.

2. To refuse to obey those norms says several things about her:

2a: She is not culturally typical.
2b: She is willing to risk punishment by the Iranian authorities.

3: Therefore she is willing to risk brutality at the hands of the police in order to display her separation from the outlook of the mullahs.

How likely is it that this person, who obviously hates the mullahs, is hostile to the U.S.? It isn't impossible, but rebelling against the cultural-religious views of the mullahs whilst supporting jihad is so unlikely as to be ridiculous.

No, my "fuck em" was all encompassing of Iran and Iranians, including the ones who are working on nuclear weapons, with no problems from the nice Iranian people on that issue, as far as I can tell.

You seem to be unaware that Iran is a religious police state. Student groups, unions, journalists, etc, are all under massive pressure from the regime. Information is tightly controlled.

But the Iranians aren't 'giving them trouble', so obviously they're bad people.

This is an argument about morality. The argument about necessity is very different. Personally, I accept that - even though large numbers (probably a majority) are decent enough people - many, many of them would lose their lives in any strike designed to cripple the Iranian nuclear program.

#198 Amy

They're not there yet. They don't have enough centrifuges going to produce enough fuel for a bomb, and even when they do, they'll only be able to make about one bomb a year for a while.

The IAEA can't even get in to confirm, and I don't trust the Iranian government to be honest, any further than I could throw them.

Iran is far, far further ahead than anyone knows, and history will prove this.

It's just a question of when and where they will use it.

# 179 Happy Go Lucky

I have a colleague, a very wealthy feminist (drives a Rolls when she's not in the Ferrari) who had convinced some of her students that there was something erotic about the Hijab. Of course this is the sort of woman who wouldn't think of submitting to dress codes of any kind (that's oppressive) but at the same time was willing to put all of her learning and intelligence (and she has both) into crafting an elaborate apologetic for Islamic misogyny.

"A mind is a terrible thing to waste."

#198 Amy

Did you see the NYT last Monday? The IAEA reckons 8,000 centrifuges by the end of the year. IIRC, it was 3,000 to enrich enough uranium for one bomb/year. Having 8,000 would make things a little more immediate.

The IAEA (plus assorted Western senior defence officials) said Iran seems to have overcome various problems with the centrifuges that had been holding them back.

#169 ArcherB 5/21/2007 3:12:36 pm PDT

Why is this not on the front page of Drudge?

Why not CNN, MSNBC or FoxNews? If this happened anywhere in the "civilized" world, it would be all over the wires!

Yea they tend to stick with our own police brutality.

#190 lucius

Makes sense to me. Explains the actions by today's Left.

Wait ... No Aisha on this thread? It seems made to order. Hi republic, killed two merriams in Nebraska last week.

Probably already posted, but HEH anyway.

A really good article on Islamic misogynism and Muslim sexual insecurity.

[Link: drsanity.blogspot.com...]

Democrats surrender, Kos Kidz coming unglued

And just today, we were reading glowing portraits of the netroots and their growing power.

Heh.

#206 ChenZhen

Yea they tend to stick with our own police brutality.

You're an idiot!

Fuck You!

# 196 BabbaZee

Look long and hard at that face.It could be yours someday.

And that goes for both men and women -- I was looking at some of the pictures of the arrests of men for "inappropriate attire."

BTW Nicataseeya.

#190: Many good points. The problem is, reproduction and procreation isn't a "male conspiracy to oppress women," it's the very reason why we exist, even according to Darwinist atheists. If we don't reproduce, we're a biological failure. Western women don't want to be "baby-making machines," but since they want to import immigrants from other countries, doesn't that mean that they want other women to be "baby-making machines" on their behalf? That's kind of racist, isn't it?

#208 lowcountry

Hi republic, killed two merriams in Nebraska last week.

Congratulations!

Good for you!

I killed my second tom last week.

#125 The Left gives Islam a pass on unspeakable abuses and violence because their hatred for Christians is greater than their fear of Islam. Why?

My guess is because they know that christians will not beat, kick, slap, kill, ect., them for speaking their mind. The left are cowarads. This is why they only protest in nations that will protect them from the populace.

AND OUR SO CALLED LEADERS ARE GOING TO TALK TO THESE BASTARDS

BUT ONLY ABOUT WHAT THEY SAY WE CAN SPEAK ABOUT

WHILE THEY BEAT PEOPLE FOR TWO BEERS AND THEY HOLD OUR CITIZENS HOSTAGE

...AND BEAT THE SHIT OUT OF WOMEN IN THE STREET

WARNING - GRAPHIC

as you see above too

/Too pissed off to post

later

#206 ChenZhen
No doubt you mean to be facetious, however we are talking about laws that not only encourage this behavior, but require it in the same way a traffic cop must arrest a speeder. There is a difference, I think.

#202 Colt

And if we don't destroy their nuclear program, many decent people in the West and Israel will lose their lives. And in any case, strikes against Iran will take out a good many of the thugs who repress their women in this fashion. If Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, the rest of the mad mullahs, and anything like 50-75% of the Basij and Revolutionary Guards get eliminated through these strikes, its Goodnight Vienna for that evil thugocracy.

Mermaid in a Hijab

weird

#213 Lucius Septimius
nicetaseeyatoo

Gotta go, unfortunately I have people coming or I would stay a few minutes more despite my self imposed too pissed to post rule

BTW for you turkey hunters there is a turkey war going on in my backyard as I type this over a very cute hen

#193 Amy,
My point? Just pointing out something that seemed odd in the photos. I know of women who were executed in the streets in Tehran in the early 80s because a bit of hair happened to fall loose into view. These people are awful, and as noted above, there are plenty of videos/photos proving the violence.

I just don't want to fall into a 'fake but accurate' deal here. There are plenty of unquestionably real photos to be highlighted.

Babbazee
A comment from your link:
All of you will be skinned one day and that would be very soon...We Iranian promise you that...and we'll do your women in front of you first andt then skin you all...

Now who says Muslims don't have a sexual problem? It always comes down to sex and violence.

#219 SpiritOf1683

If Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, the rest of the mad mullahs, and anything like 50-75% of the Basij and Revolutionary Guards get eliminated through these strikes, its Goodnight Vienna for that evil thugocracy.

The chances of us killing even half of the senior mullahs are small. And the chances of us destroying 50-75% of the IRGC are smaller. I'd be surprised if anything Basij other than their headquarters would be on any target list.

None of that is an argument against bombing their nuclear facilities and doing what we can to kill their leaders and loyal troops, of course. But there are limits to what air power and special forces can do.

#216 Aces...

yes, cowardice and stupidity and... a smorgasbord of mental pathologies.

#217 Babba

Disgusting ,, the way the "men" just walk past with their hands in their pockets while a screaming woman is taken by the police in broad daylight. For what? Her 'crime" was probably that she didn't walk far enough behind her husband, or dared to show her wrists in public.

163 WrathofG-d 5/21/2007 3:10:18 pm PDT

Durendal:

The problem about Iraq has very little to do with the Iraqis not accepting Democracy.

No, it has to do with the Iraqi's not accepting freedom and equality for all. How can that be? It is a Muslim dominated country that's how. Explain to me how Islam and freedom for all are compatible and I'll believe that our guys getting killed in bombings in Iraq due to Shia and Sunnis killing each other is not a misguided approach to warfare.

# 214 Fjordman

The problem is, reproduction and procreation isn't a "male conspiracy to oppress women," it's the very reason why we exist, even according to Darwinist atheists

In a rational world, yes, that objection would make sense. But don't confuse reason with revealed Truth. Lyndal Roper, in her recent book Witch-Craze contrasts the modern and premodern "demographic regime," i.e., the societal approach to reproduction. In the premodern world, (re)production is a result of the labor of individuals; in an advanced culture, (re)production is "socialized," meaning that the responsibility is diffused through society. The analogy would be the craftsman, who obtains the raw materials, often by his own labor, makes all of the individual parts, assembles them, and markets the final product. In more advanced economies, the duties are doled out, with each person contributing his or her part "according to his (her) abilities." If we apply this to children, the obvious idea is this: individuals are not masters of their own reproduction: reproduction belongs to society since society as a whole contributes. Through medical care, schools, child care, etc., the society as a whole "produces" children. At the same time, "reproductive freedom" means that some must be freed from the "need" to reproduce; their contributions to society lay in other directions. Society is best served when each of us contributes to the best of our abilities: if my abilities make me better suited to being a corporate CEO than a brood mare, then it would be oppressive -- and economically inefficient -- to force me to have a baby. Gender roles are socially determined, but in a just society, those roles are assigned in ways that benefit the whole of the society, not just a part.

So, to answer your question, it's not racist; the socialist demographic regime does not discriminate against particular races because society as a whole benefits from a rational distribution of labor. And, as Marx and Engels say in the Manifesto, in the long run, technological advances will ensure that no woman will ever have to carry a baby to term. And they shouldn't be expected to, nor should they want to, provided the appropriate technology and social organization.

It's insane, yes, but seductive.

colt #205

Yes, I believe you're right that it takes 3,000 centrifuges about 9 months to produce enough highly enriched uranium for one bomb. And I did read that Iran has overcome the technical problems (I wonder with whose help).

But I don't know where the IAEA is getting their numbers from, since Iran is not letting them in to inspect, and nobody can take anything that the Iranian regime says at face value.

That said, I didn't intend to be Pollyanna-ish about this. I don't think they're there yet, but I do think they will be soon. And Ahmadinejad has said that Iran wants something like 50,000 centrifuges.

wooga #223

I don't think there is any basis to think that the photo was faked.

#163 WrathofG-d

well i agree it is not a "civil war," been saying that for a while. but i disagree that the Iraqi people have made a good faith effort to embrace civilization. the Kurds seem to have had success, but the rest are too willing to be "pressured" imo.

my trepidation really derives from all the secular Muslims i've met who are eager to denounce the barbarism of the Mid East, but then turn around and decry the "Israeli occupation," Zionists, and American policy in general

215 republic... Congrats to you as well. If you ever go to Nebraska for merriams I can heartily recommend Gobble and Grunt outfitters. They had some of the hardest working guides you can imagine.

Well lets not get all teary eyed for this woman. How about an houner killing.

#225 Colt

Something has to be tried. Amnd once the fear factor of the mullahs, the Basij and Revolutionary Guards gets blown away as they get decimated, hopefully those opposed to the regime will gain confidence at the sight of it being weakened - perhaps fatally - and be more likely to come out of the closet and take them on - like the Kurds, Balouchis, Hazaras etc.

I could have gone all day without seeing that picture.

#177 Fjordman

You left out the other primary role of the state (which is really just the super-category under which crime-fighting falls): Enforcement of contracts.

If government stuck to enforcing conracts and protecting the citizentry against internal and external enemies we would do quite well. We certaily would not have to "tolerate the intolerant" as we do today.

#217 BabbaZee

but it's compromise! diplomacy! we have to be reasonable about this. just ask John McCain

/smh

Where are all those "stong women" in the feminist movement?

#235 SpiritOf1683

I'm not opposed to trying. But I don't think we could destroy 50-75% of the IRGC with air power alone. Basij is even harder because it is basically a militia. Are we going to hit every police station in Iran?

Bomb the nuke sites, sure, but it is cheaper to stir up insurgencies in those regions you mentioned than to try to destroy the IRGC altogether. Tying down Iranian units in insurgency would not only be payback, but effective operations would make the regime seem even less powerful.

Then start the civil protests. Unions, students, academics, etc.

OT

F-22 Raptor won't go to Paris

The F-22 Raptor won't make its European debut at this summer's Paris Air Show, according to U.S. Air Force officials, who say that such a deployment would force them to cancel 40 to 50 pilot-training sorties.

But Maj. Paul "Max" Moga, the service's F-22A demonstration pilot, said the stealthy supercruiser might show up at the Dubai show in November.

Good call. The Iranians need to see this more than the Euros do.
For those who missed it, here is Maj. Moga's astounding demonstration of the F-22 at Langley a few weeks ago.

#241 Shiplord Kirel

wow that plane is cool

#241 ShipLord

Actually, more AMERICANS should see this. They need to more than the Euros or Iranians do, to remind them how amazing our country is, that we educate and produce engineers, scientists, builders and a workforce that is capable of manufacturing anything from an M&M to an F22-A Raptor.

#241 Shiplord Kirel

wow that plane is cool

I second that!

#243 sattv4u2

sadly, half of Americans, when presented with this video, will just decry the BusHitler Military Industrial Complex and Halliburton Blood/Oil schemes

This makes me so angry, I could spit nails.

#245 Duren

You are correct, but my retort to that is always " and Thank God, because of we DIDN'T have the 'BusHitler Military Industrial Complex and Halliburton Blood/Oil schemes", your mother, sisters and daughters would taken in broad daylight like that poor Iranian woman"

I usually get a glazed deer in the headlights look after I tell them that.

#210 pat

A really good article on Islamic misogynism and Muslim sexual insecurity.

Yes.It.Is. Thanks.

#185 Amy

When a society begins to enforce purely social "laws" with violence, it shows how completely bankrupt it is. I think that the Iranian regime is rotten, and it will fall. The only question is whether it will succeed in going nuclear first.

Amy, you gotta be shitting me. This shit is the norm in fundamentalist Islamic hellholes. Its been going on Since Big MO boinked his first goat. It ain't going anywhere any time soon. And the Mullahs won't be packing any midnight bags anytime soon either. Be realistic, there has been no serious opposition to the Iranian Leadership since that evil old bastard returned there from France.

243 sattv4u2 5/21/2007 4:06:54 pm PDT

#241 ShipLord

Actually, more AMERICANS should see this. They need to more than the Euros or Iranians do, to remind them how amazing our country is, that we educate and produce engineers, scientists, builders and a workforce that is capable of manufacturing anything from an M&M to an F22-A Raptor.

That F-22 pilot is the quintessential American fighter pilot. In addition to producing the smartest and toughest men in the world, America produces the best looking men.

Remembering my history a bit I seem to recall the large ruckus in the 1890s over the Brits taking over the tobacco concession. Tell ya what, lets pay Philip Morris and RJR to export lots of free butts to Iran on the condition that they smoke them.

#250 AirForceWife

#1, please thank Hubby for his service

#2, "America produces the best looking men."

I have a mirror ,,, I know !

j/k

#202 Colt

For several simple reasons:

1. Modest dress - the headscarf being a key element - is the cultural norm in Iran since the 1979 revolution.

2. To refuse to obey those norms says several things about her:

2a: She is not culturally typical.
2b: She is willing to risk punishment by the Iranian authorities.

3: Therefore she is willing to risk brutality at the hands of the police in order to display her separation from the outlook of the mullahs.

How likely is it that this person, who obviously hates the mullahs, is hostile to the U.S.? It isn't impossible, but rebelling against the cultural-religious views of the mullahs whilst supporting jihad is so unlikely as to be ridiculous.

Colt, I am stunned. You derive all this from a photo taken through a car window?

I am fully aware of what kind of state Iran is, and I am aware of who put the mullahs in power, and It wasn't the Students For Democratic Action.

I won't try to argue with someone with your phenominal powers of photographic deduction.

and don't even get me started on the ties between Zionists in the 30's and 40's and the Nazis

Sickening trash. And they have reams of it. The NAtVAn is strong in this one.

I have found my gay and feminist friends to be th emost unaware of how much their lifetsyles are protected by the very people they hold in contempt; middle and working class whites and the US army.

It's amazing. The practitioners of the ROP continue to dazzle in their cowardly brutality. The pious Imams in that third world hell hole should be tied inside pig-skinned bags and have the women of Iran give them a savage beating. Then shave half the beards off the surviving Imams and parade them through the streets before placing them on trial for the grotesque injustices these pathetic "holy" men have perpetrated on the Iranian people...of course, I would include the midget president of Iran with his masters.

I have compassion for decent Iranians. But there is no way to save them other than to fuck them up.
It's a conundrum.

I just got around to reading the one about the booby-trapped girl's school, and I felt the need to address it in a live topic.

I have several mideastern girls in the class I'm subbing. Including one little sweetheart. She's smart, hardworking, polite and a general joy to see in class each day.

The idea that someone purpose-built a trap to slaughter dozens of little girls just like her fills me with RAGE!

The motherfucking, slime sucking subvermin that did this should get Ebola and die horribly. The dark places in my heart are aroused to where I could probably give it to them myself.

I consider myself an Humanist, but such as these aren't just inHuman, they're antiHuman. They are more bestial than the most bloody-minded creature that stalks the earth.

This mutated subspecies must be annihilated.

Maybe this is a bit off topic but speaking about women and Islam... the municipality of Istanbul has banned bathing suit ads.

[Link: www.turkishdailynews.com.tr...]

The AKP party is slowy slowly trying to wheasel it's religious agenda into Turkey. I really hope that this upcoming election will change something.

Dirk @ 13:

Okay, that's just...disturbing.

#43 EE

This is what NOW, the National Organization for Women, and similar feminist organizations, refuse to notice

Oh you are SO wrong. "Feminists" DO notice, and they give some grudging admiration

On one hand, these women are pretty badass. On the other, they’re police officers for an authoritarian government in a country rife with human rights violations. So while I think it’s fantastic that these women are working (especially in a traditionally male-dominated occupation) and that this video challenges all kinds of stereotypes about passive women in chadors (or hijabs or burkas or other religious coverings), I wish they were doing it for a better cause. Then again, you work with what you’ve got, so I certainly can’t fault them.

Also interesting is the fact that policewomen in Iran are active members of the “fashion police” — the people who chastise, harass or even arrest women who aren’t sufficiently covered. It’s always depressing to see women promoting the oppression of other women, but so it goes.

Isn't that special?

When I'm calling you ooh ooh ooh
Will you aanswer true ooh ooh ooh.
Is that a B2 ooh ooh ooh ?
or an F-22 ooh ooh ooh ?

The thugs made sure that she will be properly covered once she is bandaged by the ER. Disgusting state of affairs.

If the words "religious [p;iceman" don't strike your heart like an ice dagger, there's something seriously damaged in your mind.

Seriously, just call Butner or Bedlam and check yourself in.

#261 Darleen
Thank you for that post.

Incredible that the harassment and beating up of women on the grounds that they are not Islamicly dressed would actually be applauded by so-called feminists.

The images provoked the wrath of clerics in Islamabad, who accused Bakhtiar of posing in an obscene manner and violating the Islamic moral norms...

A hug is the method by which humans warm each other's hearts. We can actually suffer mental damage from being deprived of touch overlong. Babies especially can become sickly without the infusion of "psyche vitamins" that human contact provides.

That such a basic bit of human interchange is "obscene" just proves that they are not humans, but vicious beasts disguised.

Me @ 264:

"policeman"

Ron Paul would know what to do !
/

Ron Paul (former Libertarian, now just another loser), would talk the Mullahs to death. He would apologize because it was all the U. S.'s fault.
Oh, BTW, in my part of the world (Alabama)it is against the law to be masked.I notice that all the "Brave" secret police have on Mexican wrestling masks. Can't do that here.
There was a famous slogan from the Vietnam era that summed up the answer to the whole Middle Eastern solution. It went, "Nuke'em Till They Glow!"

Really says a lot about a culture who thinks that brainwashing kids and beating women is the right thing to do. Also says a lot about the men. You have to be pretty weak in order to take triumph in that crap.

Nancy pelosi and NOW are going to speak out against this in three, two, one...

Sorry #153
here is the story properly posted
Whatever happened to bagged lunches?

#253 maddogg

Which part do you disagree with?

1. Modest dress - the headscarf being a key element - is the cultural norm in Iran since the 1979 revolution.

Surely not.

2. To refuse to obey those norms says several things about her:

2a: She is not culturally typical.

Obvious since she was targeted for a beating.

2b: She is willing to risk punishment by the Iranian authorities.

Obvious since she is in the back of a police car, bleeding from the head.

3: Therefore she is willing to risk brutality at the hands of the police in order to display her separation from the outlook of the mullahs.

Why else? Given the often reported claim that Iranian young people are secular and Western in outlook, could it not be that this is one of those people?

How likely is it that this person, who obviously hates the mullahs, is hostile to the U.S.? It isn't impossible, but rebelling against the cultural-religious views of the mullahs whilst supporting jihad is so unlikely as to be ridiculous.

Speaks for itself.

There's nothing amazing about my powers of deduction, or anything particularly controversial about what I've written.

Maybe a dead thread by now, but I had to respond to something. I've lived most of the time since 1995 in the Islamic world, mostly Turkey, but also in Saudi, and with trips to Iran and Syria and Egypt, and next week I will be interviewing for a chairman position at a university in Jordan. Islamic women, especially the ones at the age of this woman in the picture, are the kindest, most graceful, and most beautiful people on the planet, in the face of the worst kind of discrimination. I don't know of a single Western man who lives here who doesn't fall into rescue obsessions about the women, including myself. That is the major reason I have resisted my friends' and my family's constant calls to come home. That "fuck 'em," is unbelievable, and could only have come from someone for whom these issues are purely theories from the comfort of one's desk. There are no people on earth who deserve their fates less than women in the Islamic world. Trust me--I've been there, very often quite painfully.

Goodness me, all those progressive Western feminists are going to be absolutely FURIOUS when they see this, aren't they?

Aren't they?

I must confess, I'm really looking forward to seeing them trying to figure out a way to blame it on global capitalism, the war in Iraq, George W Bush and (most especially, of course) the Jews. It's going to stretch their powers of inventive fantasy to the absolute limit. Can't wait!

Mike,
Gotta agree with you. Sometimes I feel that only those of us who have lived in the shadow of Islam can actually relate to the suffering. I spent 6 months in the "Magic Kingdom" during the first Gulf war when they were too lazy to defend themselves... and other places in the Islamic world.
My wife is Turkish. My oldest stepdaughter got baptized last summer. Turkey is very near and dear to my heart. I wonder what the people from the "religion of peace" would have to say about that.

#273 Colt

I don't disagree with anything you said. You could be absolutely right. You could be wrong too. I think you infer too much from a single photo.
The Iranians are no friend to the West, and prove it often.They are striving for nuclear weapons, they harbor known terrorists, they train terrorists to kill our Servicemen in Iraq. Their leaders continuously call for the death of the West and wiping Israel off the map.
That carries more weight for me than a photo of an Iranian woman bleeding in a car.

I'm just saying I will need more information before I bequeath the title of Martyr on her.

In a clash between religious thugs beating up a woman for unislamic dress, versus the victim of such thuggery, political support should go to the victim. Both on the grounds of supporting the freedoms that we take for granted, and on practical political grounds.

#273 Colt
I think that you have very well separated what is likely from what is extremely unlikely. And you have exercised a great deal of common sense. Good for you.

#277 maddogg

I'm just saying I will need more information before I bequeath the title of Martyr on her.

Which is reasonable enough, though it isn't a leap to say she did something brave and got the shit knocked out of her by some medieval coward.

Except, you didn't just dispute her obvious sacrifice (whatever the motivation). You ignored it, and said 'fuck em' to all Iranians.

The Iranians are no friend to the West, and prove it often.They are striving for nuclear weapons, they harbor known terrorists, they train terrorists to kill our Servicemen in Iraq. Their leaders continuously call for the death of the West and wiping Israel off the map.

Sure, but there isn't any sort of democratic mandate for that. The mullahs vet the candidates for every office, so the choice in elections is Jihadist A or Jihadist B.

Virtually everything I've read or heard about Iranians suggests they are fed up of the revolution, and have nothing against the West. There is a large difference of opinion between the regime on the one hand, and most of the people on the other.

None of that makes Iran's conduct any less acceptable. As I said before, the fact that many/most Iranians are decent enough people doesn't mean I'd oppose operations that would kill large numbers of them in order to prevent them developing nuclear weapons.

It would be easier if they were all ignorant, Taliban-style lunatics. But they aren't. Unfortunately, we may have to kill large numbers of them anyway in order to save our own cities.