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 RetweetHamas Destroys Christian School and Church

Mon, Jun 18, 2007 at 8:02:24 am PDT

Now that there are no Jews in Gaza and Hamas is in control, they’re beginning the process of driving out the remaining Christians: Gaza’s Christians fear for their lives.

Christians living in Gaza City on Monday appealed to the international community to protect them against increased attacks by Muslim extremists. Many Christians said they were prepared to leave the Gaza Strip as soon as the border crossings are reopened.

The appeal came following a series of attacks on a Christian school and church in Gaza City over the past few days.

Father Manuel Musalam, leader of the small Latin community in the Gaza Strip, said masked gunmen torched and looted the Rosary Sisters School and the Latin Church.

“The masked gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church,” he said. “Then they destroyed almost everything inside, including the Cross, the Holy Book, computers and other equipment.”

Musalam expressed outrage over the burning of copies of the Bible, noting that the gunmen destroyed all the Crosses inside the church and school. “Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

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1 # 17  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:08am

The reason this hasn't appeared in the MSM is thta they are still trying to work out how Israel can be blamed for this.

2 Meryl Yourish  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:38am

Don't worry, they'll find a way to blame this one on Israel, too. They'll say Israel drove out the "moderate" Muslims.

3 DarthBrooks  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:42am

This won't play well on the "Come Visit Gaza for the Christmas Holidays" travel brochures.

4 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:50am
5 cybermonk  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:51am

What Muslim/Christian relations. Muslims rule, Christians are Dhimmmis who don't complain about their betters.
When are these people gonna realize that Muslims consider themselves superior to every other religion. Period

6 stoker  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:04:56am

Can't be Israel so it must be Global Warming!

7 gander  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:05:34am

Sorry, Christians don't count in the eyes of the "International Community".

8 Hankmeister  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:05:54am

Obviously this is Great Satan America's and the Jooos' fault.

9 experiencedtraveller  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:05:55am

Lets send Jimmy Carter!

10 sadatoni  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:06:53am

Nothing like the worlds most peaceful and tolerant religion... What's next, orphanages?
Hospitals (oh, wait, they've already done that)?
Little old ladies crossing the street (better have their burqas on).

How much longer will the world tolerate this type of violence?

11 jcm  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:06:55am

The RoP is so very tolerant.

12 rockman  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:06:55am

Yet they claim to worship the same God as Christians and Jews and claim Christ as a prophet. I have a message for Hamas:
Repent you F***ing SAVAGES!

13 Hankmeister  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:07:30am

Hamas isn't "destroying" Christian enclaves, they and their religion of peace are simply engaging in a Palestinian urban renewal program.

moonbat mode/off

14 stevezilla  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:07:39am

are these the same democratically elected Hamas folk that Jimmah Carter wants us to have dialogue with? 'cos, I don't think he'd want them anywhere near his church picnic.

15 Carridine  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:08:10am

Christians, Jews, Baha'is, rational and responsible people, doctors, teachers...

GOTTA let us Muslims DOMINATE YOU, or you MUST CONVERT TO OUR WAY, or YOU MUST DIE!

Is there ANY PART OF THIS you kffirs do NOT understand?

16 DANEgerus  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:08:23am

Lebanon was set up as a "Christian enclave" and 200,000 Christians have been slaughtered there in the last few decades. They are now a vanishing minority.

17 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:09:51am

Photo of the day.

18 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:10:05am

It must have been spontaneous combustion brought on by Global Warming.

19 bolivar  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:10:12am

#9

Yeah, let's send jimmuh and maybe they will keep him!

20 Dirk Diggler  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:10:22am
“The masked gunmen used rocket-propelled grenades to storm the main entrances of the school and church,” he said. “Then they destroyed almost everything inside, including the Cross, the Holy Book, computers and other equipment.”

The nuns at the Catholic high school I attended, Our Lady of Joe Pesci, were so tough they wouldn't have been intimidated by RPGs.

21 Dar ul Harb  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:10:52am
“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations”

Ya think?

22 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:06am
“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

Respect from our perspective. From the koranic perspective, it's very respectful.

23 Killgore Trout  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:20am

#6 stoker
You beat me to that joke.

24 savage_nation[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:26am
25 Buck  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:34am

If only the Israelis had given Fatah those Tanks they asked for, this could have all been avoided...


/seriously, do I need to sarc tag this?

26 tedzilla99  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:35am

Isn't 'muslim extremist' a redundant term? Just askin

27 Ben Hur  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:11:52am

Moderate Fatah LOVES CHURCHES!

28 EC Marm  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:12:39am

They're doing what to one of the three great "Abrahamic" faiths?

/Even though sarcasm that was painful to type.

29 Judith  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:13:16am

Waiting for the Mennonite Central Committee to stop condemning Israel and start condemning Hamas for abuse for Christians...

waiting...

30 Greg  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:14:12am

Can we dig up Richard The Lionhearted and clone or dig up Ronaldus Magnus...even zombie forms of them need to start kicking jihadi/HAM-as/Hez-EBOLA ass right about now?

31 Carridine  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:14:46am

#17 No Submission: Hah!

"Senior Fatah LOSER Hamid Wozzisnem..."

He looks SCARED, Kiddo!

32 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:14:52am

Wonder what the Episcoplians, Methodists, and Presbyterians, you know, the folks who think Israel is the bad guy and the pooor Paleostinians are innocent victims, will have to say about this.

“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,”

No, they don't. DUUUHHH

33 loppyd  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:14:55am

# 17

The reason this hasn't appeared in the MSM is thta they are still trying to work out how Israel can be blamed for this.

Exactamundo.

34 Terp Mole  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:15:12am

First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people...

35 Cato the Elder  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:15:13am

This is truly awful.

But, because it's only some Christians we're talking about, I doubt there will be much outrage or even coverage in the media.

"What are Christians doing there in the first place, anyway?"

36 simonml  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:15:15am

Is it really necessary to use an RPG to gain entrance to a Church?!

37 uncle_monkey  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:15:24am

Good thing that Bush and the EU are expressing support for these clowns.

38 loppyd  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:17:31am

Lucius Septimius

Wonder what the Episcoplians, Methodists, and Presbyterians, you know, the folks who think Israel is the bad guy and the pooor Paleostinians are innocent victims, will have to say about this.

Not all Methodists.

The Methodist church in my community proudly bears a banner that reads

WE STAND WITH ISRAEL IN HER QUEST FOR PEACE

39 ointmentfly  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:17:33am

How many mosques can a B-2 eliminate with one load of precision bombs? Maybe showing these idiots a taste of what a religious war between the west and Islam would look like would be a solid idea.

They must feel some consequences.

40 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:17:33am

Ad Majorum Gloriam Dei...Hamas Style.

Hey Pope Benedict, please declear the Crudase while we still out number these Son's of Stan...pump up the volume before they get nukes.

41 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:17:51am

#34 Terp Mole

GAAA. You beat me to it.

42 Wisenheimer  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:18:23am

G-d help us if we ever have to appeal to the international community for anything.

43 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:18:47am

#33 loppyd

LOL. Is that a Fonzerellism?

/Happy Days rocks

44 lawhawk  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:19:16am

killgore:

I'll go with this picture instead. Gunfire at and near civilians at the Erez crossing. Palestinians who can't wait to get out of Gaza and into the friendly confines of Israel. Figures.

45 RTLM  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:19:28am

The Hamas monkeys desecrate Christian churches while simultaneously stocking their Mosques with all the new found weapons, ammo and who knows what else. And we worry ourselves with THEIR reaction to nary a scratch on their filthy Mosques.

If guns are stockpiled in a Mosque - it stops being a Mosque.

Those Mosques should be reduced to burning rubble.

46 ctrlL  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:20:17am
#7 gander

Sorry, Christians don't count in the eyes of the "International Community".

Let's test that ... Reuters appears to be watching/reading LGF intently this morning ...

Do your readers want the tough truth, Reuters ?

It's not so hard to write ... try it, you'll like it !

47 Lucius Septimius  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:20:19am

# 38 Loppyd

Glad to hear it -- the Methodist seminary I used to work at has some of the most vociferous Israel-haters I've ever encountered.

48 Sharmuta  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:20:58am
“Then they destroyed almost everything inside, including the Cross, the Holy Book, computers and other equipment.”

Christians everwhere will now seethe to the point of riots- thousands of cars will burn, hundreds will be injured in and by the mobs of fanatic Christians chanting "Death to hamas!" in the streets.

/don't wake me up

49 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:21:16am

There will be a brief period of looting and killing until the organized looting and killing can begin. Thank you for your patience.
-HAMAS

50 loppyd  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:21:22am

WriterMom

I hadn't meant it to be, but yes!

Sit on it,Potsie.

LOL

51 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:21:25am
Is it really necessary to use an RPG to gain entrance to a Church?!

They were consecrating the Church in the name of Stan...I guess you have never heard the Islamic invocation/blessing: May Allah's ever benevolent rocket launcher of love blast..er um..bless you.

52 loppyd  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:22:25am

Lucius Septimius

Don't get me started on the UCC, though.

53 mj  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:22:55am

Silly people.

In the grand scheme of things, for NGO's such as Christian Aid and Oxfam, it's more important to support those groups dedicated to killing Jews, then in helping Christians. In fact, they have no problem when Christians are killed either as long as it's in support of their goal-the eradication of israel.

54 NoSubmission  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:23:28am

#31 Carridine
They all look scared. Look at their eyes.

55 friarstale  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:23:30am

gosh...
not very diverse of them

does Hamas not value diversity?

does Islam not value diversity?

56 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:23:32am

RPG=
Real
Palistinian
God

57 loppyd  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:23:55am
58 MJ  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:24:57am

#47 Lucius Septimius

"Glad to hear it -- the Methodist seminary I used to work at has some of the most vociferous Israel-haters I've ever encountered."


Rosemary Ruether

59 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:25:03am

First they drive out FATAH and then they turn on the smaller threats, like the Rosary Sisters .

60 HECTORUBALDO  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:26:19am

Being an atheist all religions are the same to me. But I find it absolutely abominable that the MSM gave so much publicity to Newsweek's lies about the koran being mistreated at Guantanamo or the Mohammed cartoons in Denmark but not a peep about crosses and bibles being burned.

What is this double standard? I haven't seen this disrespect reported even in that alleged puppet of the neocons, Fox News. What are they waiting for? Some Christians going on a rampage and killing other Christians like muslims did muslims over the stupid cartoons?

Oh, wait, that won't happen...

61 jcm  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:26:34am

Churches in Muslim lands is a remnant of the Crusades. It is oppression and imperialism and the free people of Palestine are exercise their prerogative in expunging any trace of a millennium of oppression.

/moonbat

62 Peacekeeper  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:28:01am

All atheists are the same to me.

63 Edward Halper  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:28:16am

This story is the tip of the iceberg: The PA has pushed out Christian Palestinians for years. Bethlehem used to be a majority Christian town and there were significant numbers of Christian Palestinians in the West Bank. It is a mystery to me why this has been so rarely covered in the MSM, and why it has not provoked outrage.

Abuse of Palestinian Christians gives the lie to claims that Palestinians would be able to live with a Jewish minority in a "one state solution"--not that anything is needed to discredit this claim, or that those who believe it would be swayed by any evidence.

64 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:28:45am
65 jcm  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:28:51am

#54 NoSubmission
#31 Carridine

Bullies are always scared, their power ends when someone stands up to them.

And in some place the end of power means your corpse gets dragged around as a trophy.

66 BingoBunny  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:30:45am

A Bible was destroyed.. the world braces for millions of Christian radicals to storm middle east owed factories and stores,

/wait only one religion acts like monkeys and apes. Guess who?

67 Judith  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:31:44am

The problem is the Christian Community of Gaza is made up of occupying forces left from the Crusaders era who stole the land of the Peace Palestinians and Hamas is only doing it because of their frustration with the occupation. The assorted Prostestant churchs such as the Mennonites don't give a rat's hind end about them because they are the wrong kind of Christians, Greek Orthodox, Coptics and that sort of quasi Pagan not true religion of Jesus kind of thing.

68 jordash1212  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:33:12am

maybe now the UN will intervene?

69 BabbaZee  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:34:05am
#47 Lucius Septimius >6/18/2007 8:20:19 am PDT

# 38 Loppyd

Glad to hear it -- the Methodist seminary I used to work at has some of the most vociferous Israel-haters I've ever encountered.



GWB claimed to be a methodist in a 2005 press conference which made me throw a plastic apple at the TV which conked off his third eye and scared the crap out of the cat. I will try to find it on video and if I do I'll post it at the Spleens house...


See you all later, keep the Faith

70 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:38:39am

Good Morning to All the Good Lizards,

“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

Well, "duh!".

I'm sure that Pope Benedict XVI, is composing a no holds barred, strongly, STRONGLY worded statement as we speak(so to say).

This is what they have in store for ALL!

Soon, the standard offer will be made, Submit and pay up for the privilege of living, Convert, or Die.

"Which door will it be Johnny!?"

Diz iz it boyz! Diz be da Ham azz! Diz be da A-'rabz. Diz be da Mooz-limbz. Take a good look!

71 Dave the.....  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:40:05am
Wonder what the Episcoplians, Methodists, and Presbyterians, you know, the folks who think Israel is the bad guy and the pooor Paleostinians are innocent victims, will have to say about this.

Yeah, and related are those Palestinian Christians who work with big western Protestant churches in Israel bashing.

72 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:40:17am

#69 BabbaZee

Say Hey Babe,

How ya doin' today?

73 Buck  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:42:00am

#63 Edward Halper

It is a mystery to me why this has been so rarely covered in the MSM, and why it has not provoked outrage.

Is it really a mystery to you? I might be jaded, and think you are being sarcastic.

If you really don't know, then stick around, the mystery will be revealed to you.

74 BabbaZee  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:45:46am

#72 M. Bensson-Levi
For you I come back to answer, not so good, started off OK but careening downhill fast, it's the heat I think - I'm punking out now to go occupy the couch like a Zionist Entity for a couple of hours.


BBL

75 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:45:53am

No worry.
I'm sure Condi will spring into action.

76 Poitiers-Lepanto  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:47:54am

Plus, all this is caused by global warming.

77 Buck  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:48:13am

THIS IS BIG!

Last we heard from this particular Father he was worried that Muslim religious emotions aroused against the Jews might subsequently be turned against them."

IN 2002 Father Manuel Musalam, head of the Latin Church in Gaza, told Palestinian Authority Television:

Therefore I, the Christian Palestinian, say in all rage and daring to the Christians of the world: You are loathsome! You are contemptible!...[We Palestinian Christians] are facing the filthy Christians of the West...What kind of Christianity is this? This is not Christianity; it is not even paganism. This is Christianity of the jungle. Our New Testament is not their New Testament, our Jesus is not their Jesus...I will say still more: Our God is not their God.

[Link: zionsake-holyland.tripod.com...]

78 Ackomanyuki  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:48:25am

Nothing new. Mo set the example when he betrayed the Jews of Medinah. The most blatant modern example of Moslem piety is the razing during the Jordanian occupation of Jerusalem of what is known as the Hurva Synagogue. .

It seems we have Islamists moving forward in their liturgy of conquest and destruction with the modern advent of Hurva (destroyed) Churches.

First the Saturday people then the Sunday people indeed.

Stan has a plan.

79 Hard Right  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:49:42am
“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

DUH! They want you dead.

80 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:50:20am

Father Musalem should have expected no better from the children of Ishmael, seeing how they desecrated the Church of the Nativity. This is exactly what "Christian-Muslim relations" have looked like since mohammed first preached his satanically inspired false gospel.

In other "Christian-Muslim relations" news, the Episcopal Church in Seattle (shocka, I know) has its first openly muslim Reverend. (no, this is not a parody!)

Maybe this has been posted before (Mark Steyn linked to it on NRO), but this thread seemed like the best place to link to it.

81 Craig Abu Al-Boo-Boo  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:50:33am

That's what happens when you're a dhimmi. Even if you pay the tribute and practice the fealty, you'll still get your ass kicked whenever some Muslim is in a bad mood, and there's nothing you can do but lie down and take it.

82 WriterMom  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:51:36am

#76 P.L

You ignoramus. It's Climate Change.

{OINK}

83 American Soldier  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:51:53am
“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

Nominated for Understatement of the Year.

84 mollyshark  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:54:10am
Being an atheist all religions are the same to me.

That makes absolutely no sense! Even on a surface level. Now if you said "being an atheist I wouldn't join ANY of the religious groups" that might make sense. Or say since they revolve around a supreme being you reject that commonality. But all of them the same? That is totally illogical!

85 tfc3rid  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:55:18am

Why do I hear nothing but crickets? Hmmm...

As a Christian, I'm offended that these thugs are doing this... How can we as members of the human race watch this crap happen and not get pissed off beyond belief...

When will it be admitted that this really is a clash of civilizations?

86 MJ  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:56:55am

"Bishop: Stop Internal Hamas-Fatah Fighting 'for God's Sake'" so that you can do the really important things like killing Jews...

[Link: www.christianpost.com...]

87 cookielady  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:01:34am
“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

Stupid comment. The only 'relations' wanted between Muslims and Christians is when the Muslims take little Christian boys as sex slaves and rape all the females before killing them.

Submit! Convert or die!

What part of this is so hard to grasp?

88 Joan Not of Arc  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:02:23am

It's high time the Christians in the land of Christ's birth have a little reconquista of their own.
Yea, God approveth not of savages.

89 M. Bensson-Levi  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:03:14am

#74 BabbaZee

Sorry to hear that. As you said, Keep the Faith.


#83 American Soldier

Say hey,

Astonishing comment, isn't it?

I owe you an e-mail...I've been thinking about your son, and have a couple of cents worth of input.

Soon.

90 sadatoni  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:04:01am

#80 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

She does both, she says, because she's Christian and Muslim.

What's wrong with this church? First the allow
women priests, and now a women/Christian/Muslim
priest/Rev.

What I'm really wondering is how she can serve two masters, Christ and Stan.

"I am both Muslim and Christian, just like I'm both an American of African descent and a woman. I'm 100 percent both."

That's like saying "I'm an Washington Red apple and a Granny Smith apple, and I'm a peach and a peach-pit." Mixed metaphors. They don't go together.

“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

I know, let's ship over that lady quoted above, she'll set them straight. Of course, they won't pay attention to her, she's not wearing a burqa.

91 cookielady  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:05:14am

#84 mollyshark

He just meant they are all the same in importance or value to him. He was commenting on the double standard in reporting so-called religious outrages. That's all. He did not mean that all their tenets were the same to him.

92 Treesarie  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:09:29am

Redding knows there are many Christians and Muslims who will not accept her as both.

"I don't care," she says. "They can't take away my baptism." And as she understands it, once she's made her profession of faith to become a Muslim, no one can say she isn't that, either.

It's about me

Redding is 55 and single, with deep brown eyes, dreadlocks

Has tangled uncombed hair, and thinks being a minister is about her.

Sounds like every other malignant narcissistic murdering mullah.

93 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:10:05am

#90 sadatoni

Of course, they won't pay attention to her, she's not wearing a burqa.

Well, she does carry a headscarf with her at all times, so that's a start!

94 400lb Gorilla  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:12:21am

That is because people think that you Christians are as dangerous as islamists. Let's give them a state

95 lurking faith  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:14:39am

#80

How did such a moron get to be a reverend? She understands the tenets of neither Christianity nor Islam.

Either Jesus was/is Lord, or not. You can't have both. Mutually exclusive religions.

The Espicopalian church should excommunicate her forthwith, or at a minimum strip her of her leadership role, and if her bishop won't do it, he should go, too.

This isn't some minor, debatable point of Christianity. It's THE central idea, and she has it wrong.

96 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:15:18am

uh huh

97 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:19:31am

How can one be a Christian and a Muslim. Christians believe Jesus is God, Muslims believe Jesus is a second tier prophet.

Let alone the little things like Jesus praching that whole "Love Your Enemy" stuff, or telling the Samaritan woman that 'Salvation is from the Jews'.


Little stuff not exactly in the Koran.

98 Who Watches the Watchmen?  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:21:47am

#95 lurking faith

How did such a moron get to be a reverend?

Maybe she was a normal reverend until she had a mid-life crisis and found a hot NOI bow-tie daddy.

/sorry

99 Venezuela lover  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:22:46am

Well, it looks like Jimmie-the Southern Baptist- Carter was right about aparthied in the occupied palestinian Gaza territory. A look today shows that Hamas are the bloody military occupiers and Hamas has no respect for any other religions.

100 kynna  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:23:21am

Isn't this exactly the kind of thing that sparked the crusades? I mean, the conventional wisdom states that the crusades were simply a violent conversion movement, but I don't buy that anymore now that I know more about Islam.

The thing that makes me incredibly angry is that the Western Christians of the mainstream denominations don't have a clue about this and the churches don't make any effort to inform them or to provide relief for the suffering.

101 PatrioticNaturalizedAmerican  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:25:05am
Musalam expressed outrage over the burning of copies of the Bible, noting that the gunmen destroyed all the Crosses inside the church and school.

I wonder why Newsweek isn't reporting it. If a dust particle sat on a Koran in Guantanamo Bay, this would be on their front cover.

Oh, I forgot that the mainstream media is in bed with Islamofascists. How silly of me!

102 Mr Spiffy  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:30:12am

“Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

This is an insult to Islam.Kill the infidel!
/

103 gymnast  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:42:24am

Anyone doubt that the War for Western Civilization is on?

104 phoenix.ger  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:49:41am

Oh yes, a German broadcasting station already found a way to blame it on Israel.

Not the actual looting, BUT the border closing.

Short: Israel is partly responsible for murders and injuries committed by Hamas, because it closed the border crossings. Fatah members, intellectuals, artists and Christians are now in grave danger because Israel trapped them in Gaza.

/evil Joos don't waste any opportunity to harm the poor Balestinians, see?

105 cygnus  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:52:17am

#80

A Christian/Muslim 'reverend' at St. Marks? Doesn't surprise me in the least. A long time ago, St. Marks was a good Bible-believing Episcopal church, but now they're so far out in the ozone I wouldn't be able to find them with my telescope! They have a gay 'pastor' and sponser every 'interfaith' event under the sun. I've often wished somebody would write the word 'ICHABOD' (the Glory has departed) right on their front doors. Nauseating!

I just hope that poor woman gets her head on straight and sees that Christian and Muslim beliefs are mutually exclusive.

106 Sceptic Tank  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:52:23am

Even when Christians tow the anti-Israel line like the Lebanonese or Palestinian-occupied territory Christians; they are still slated for destruction after subjugation when feasible.
When not done physicallly it is being done with relative ease culturally worldwide with this zeitgeist-dhimmitude.
With that blessed exception of the truly faithful believers in Christ whose importance cannot be understated.

107 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:54:05am
108 theheat  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:02:53am

In all these years Christians persist, trying to maintain a peaceful presence in the middle of a thousand year shitstorm.

Two words: Get out. Don't set up camp in the middle of a sewer and complain about the smell.

109 Cygnus  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:07:13am

The Christians were there before the sewer was installed. It's time to clean out the s**tstorm.

110 threecoloursblue  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:11:41am

Nothing new here. My wifes godmother had a small wooden cross on her wall in India made from all that was left of a church in East Bengal - now Bangladesh - burned to the ground while filled with Christians and Hindus sheltering from the Pathan brutes flown from Pakistan by General Ayuub Khan.
And shock horror the " West " had the cheek to criticise India for moving her army in to stop the slaughter. And that was in 1971.
Never believe the " people of the book" meme. Sufi's excepted.

111 Buck  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:12:20am

This christian father has been appeasing Islam for years.

In 2002 he went on PA TV and denounced Western Christians. He called them the "Christianity of the jungle".

Today he is the victim of that same Islamo fascism, and all the "Christian-Muslim relations" he tried to foster by being a Dhimmi is lost.

I don't feel sorry for him at all.

112 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:12:23am
113 ploome hineni[deleted]  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:16:05am
114 docrambo  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:24:08am

For the life of me, I cannot understand how "Christians" can be living in Gaza. Now they are surprised that they have chosen to live in a den of rattlesnakes and the snakes have turned on them and bitten them. Wake up people, simple appeasement does not work with cowardly, unprincipled members of the Religion of Peace" tm.

115 PalsyClown  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:40:20am

"Masked gunmen"? That has jooos written all over it! It's the zionists dammit!

116 Mr Scientist  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:54:17am

I have placed a Koran (pardon my french) in my toilet as a response, and as a sign of my support for the christians of gaza.

117 Ward Cleaver  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:57:26am
Musalam expressed outrage over the burning of copies of the Bible, noting that the gunmen destroyed all the Crosses inside the church and school. “Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations,” he said.

Guess he doesn't know much about islam.

118 Dom  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:07:19am

Telegraph:

The BBC has failed to promote proper debate on major political issues because of the inherent liberal culture of its staff, a report commissioned by the corporation has concluded.

The report claims that coverage of single-issue political causes, such as climate change and poverty, can be biased - and is particularly critical of Live 8 coverage, which it says amounted to endorsement.

It warns that celebrities must not be pandered to and allowed to hijack the BBC schedule.

After a year-long investigation the report maintains that the corporation’s coverage of day-to-day politics is fair and impartial.

But it says coverage of Live 8, the 2005 anti-poverty concerts organised by rock star campaigners Bob Geldof and Bono and writer Richard Curtis, failed to properly debate the issues raised.

Instead, at a time when the corporation was renegotiating its charter with the government, it allowed itself to effectively become a promotional tool for Live 8, which was strongly supported by Tony Blair and Gordon Brown.

Geldof, Bono and Curtis were attempting to pressure world leaders at the G8 Summit in Gleneagles, which was taking place at the same time, to help reduce poverty in developing countries under the banner 'Make Poverty History’.

Mr Blair said the campaign was a “mighty achievement”. The huge Live 8 concerts across the world were its culmination and the BBC cleared its schedules to show them, with coverage on BBC One, Two and Three and Radio One and Two.

Around the same time it also screened a specially-written episode of Curtis’s popular sitcom The Vicar of Dibley that featured a minute long Make Poverty History video and saw characters urged to support it. And it aired another Curtis drama, The Girl in the Café, in which Bill Nighy falls in love with an anti-poverty campaigner - even giving Gordon Brown an advance copy.

The BBC also ran a week long Africa special featuring a series of documentaries by Geldof and a day celebrating the National Health Service, prompting Sky News political editor Adam Boulton to tell a House of Lords select committee it was in danger of peddling government propaganda.

The report concludes BBC staff must be more willing to challenge their own beliefs.

It reads: “There is a tendency to 'group think’ with too many staff inhabiting a shared space and comfort zone.”

A staff impartiality seminar held last year is also documented in the report, at which executives admitted they would broadcast images of the Bible being thrown away but not the Koran, in case Muslims were offended.

During the seminar a senior BBC reporter criticised the corporation for being anti-American.

The report was jointly commissioned by BBC managers and the board of governors and will be published by the BBC Trust, which has since replaced the governors.

119 looking closely  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:16:28am

Being thrown out of Gaza is bad, but Christians are being forced out in the West Bank too, including in traditionally sacred Bethlehem.

The one silver lining here, is that supposedly new Defense Minister Barak has as his first priority the disinfection of Gaza. Hopefully he'll do it sooner rather than later.

120 jwbaumann  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:25:55am

I'm thinking Gaza would make a very good parking lot about now.

#35 Cato the Elder
"What are Christians doing there in the first place, anyway?"

Actually, they can probably trace their ancestry and faith roots back to Jesus' time.

I think you meant to ask why they hadn't gotten the hell out of there already?

121 SpiritOf1683  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:27:01am

Didn't you know it's all down to global warming?

/Ban-ki-Moonbat

122 mjazzguitar  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:34:57am

#32 Lucius Septimius 6/18/2007 8:14:52 am PDT


Wonder what the Episcoplians, Methodists, and Presbyterians, you know, the folks who think Israel is the bad guy and the pooor Paleostinians are innocent victims, will have to say about this

They'll figure out a way to blame Israel.

123 Catttt  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:35:24am
#111 Buck 6/18/2007 10:12:20 am PDT

This christian father has been appeasing Islam for years.

In 2002 he went on PA TV and denounced Western Christians. He called them the "Christianity of the jungle".

Ahem. Someone perhaps can direct my good Christian brother to Matthew 7 1-5.

I like "The Message" version of this:

Don't pick on people, jump on their failures, criticize their faults— unless, of course, you want the same treatment. That critical spirit has a way of boomeranging. It's easy to see a smudge on your neighbor's face and be oblivious to the ugly sneer on your own. Do you have the nerve to say, 'Let me wash your face for you,' when your own face is distorted by contempt? It's this whole traveling road-show mentality all over again, playing a holier-than-thou part instead of just living your part. Wipe that ugly sneer off your own face, and you might be fit to offer a washcloth to your neighbor.

124 gymnast  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:36:48am

#121, Spirit. Global warming proponents-the new Weather Underground! Pretty soon you will be able to identify these people by the double lightning bolts on their collar insignia.

125 AZDave  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:38:31am

[Father] Musalam expressed outrage over the burning of copies of the Bible, noting that the gunmen destroyed all the Crosses inside the church and school. “Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations"

Gee, what a surprise! Who knew?

126 mjazzguitar  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:39:12am

#104 phoenix.ger 6/18/2007 9:49:41 am PDT

Oh yes, a German broadcasting station already found a way to blame it on Israel.

Not the actual looting, BUT the border closing.

Short: Israel is partly responsible for murders and injuries committed by Hamas, because it closed the border crossings. Fatah members, intellectuals, artists and Christians are now in grave danger because Israel trapped them in Gaza.

They should airlift them to Germany then.

127 mjazzguitar  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:49:51am

Sometimes the Israeli politicians are just as stupid as ours are:
Justice Minister Offers Opinion: Open the Gaza Gates

128 Biff  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 11:56:55am

How could hamas be accused of destroying a church if it has already been declared a mosque?

129 Beholden  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 12:01:08pm

The religion of p...

I'm sorry. Let me try again.

The religion of...

I can't say it.

I...JUST...CAN'T...SAY...IT!

130 mjazzguitar  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 12:03:30pm

The video here blames Gaza's troubles on Bush.

131 at night  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 12:17:35pm

#128 Biff 6/18/2007 11:56:55 am PDT

How could hamas be accused of destroying a church if it has already been declared a mosque?

Just a simple demonstration of " PIMP MY HOUSE "

They were only redecorating... give it a rest.
/sarc

132 Richard Romano  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 12:19:46pm

Do you think there'll be any rioting, deaths, or destruction over the burning of the Bible?

The answer seems almost ironic, given how these Muslim crazies riot at the drop of a hat, er, Koran.

133 Barbara Skolaut  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 12:23:30pm
Those who did these awful things have no respect for Christian-Muslim relations

Nothing gets by him, does it?

134 Paul  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 1:50:59pm

If there aren't Jews around to harass, brutalize and murder, Muslims can always find an acceptable substitute.

135 joan  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 2:31:48pm

Compassionate opinion must support the path of tolerance, of acceptance, even in the face of perceived offense, not allowing the most lurid and egregious landmarks on the path to peacemaking to be the arbiters of attitude, of action.

No, rather than the easy judgment and crude labeling of "the other," a nuanced understanding of a volatile regional dynamic and the historic cycles of oppression and resistance is called for in order to truly contextualize phenomena.

Matters must be lensed through the Internationalist perspective, with commitment to visioning for peace. Simplistic responses of vengeance, of narrow sectarian loyalties, can do no good and indeed, cause much harm to the process of conflict resolution.

/progressive doublethink off

Nauseatingly easy to generate this mental vomit, actually. Here's the message in placardspeak:

"...bring back the lions."

136 Carridine  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 4:52:07pm

#135 Joan: Concur yr analysis.

Compare such specious double-speak with the words and deeds of the world-wide Baha'i World Community, this world's ONLY world community, raised up by The Glory of God, Baha'u'llah, and functioning with health and vigor in virtually EVERY NATION of the world...

...albeit very circumspectly in the Muslim nations!

137 Maine's Michael  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 5:05:32pm

"First, they came for the Jews, blah blah blah . . ."

Another one of those useless little parables we tell each other but never learn from or follow thru on.

Kind of like 'Never Again'.

138 jayzee  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 5:57:36pm

Yeah but Darrel Issa says that Muslems and Christians really get along. There must be some mistake.

Next you'll be telling me that Syria had something to do with that Katusha attack on Israel the other day. Things just make less and less sense.

139 Bay54  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 7:27:26pm

Christians have never been safe under Muslim rule. I have found that Main stream media have been paying more attention to this than in the past. I hope the coverage continues.

140 siiras  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 8:55:43pm

The double standard has got to be called.

Even false rumors of any Westerner showing disrespect to the Koran, the book inspiring terrorist attacks on us is given great play by our leftist atheist MSM and the disrespect has been ludicrously defined by Muslims as even touching it with our dirty infidel hands (white gloves required while presenting it to the worst of our enemies in prison). This is complete dhimmitude. We are not only providing the enemy with their manual and inspiration for our destruction but we are bowing and scraping before it and them.

Meanwhile, the Holy Bible is routinely treated by Muslims with flagrant disrespect, confiscated, used as toilet paper (in the Church of the Redeemer occupation in Bethlehem) or blown to bits. This never excites our liberal atheist press who prefer to see excrement on Christian icons as art.

Finally, Muslims show their holy book less respect than infidels do when they routinely attack each other's mosques and blow them up along with their content of Korans. Our liberal atheist press never sees anything contradictory in the demand that infidels who do not believe in the Koran treat it with the utmost respect (without receiving reciprocity for the Bible) while Muslims who claim belief in the Koran feel free to shred them with bombs.

We have the most brain dead media in the world.

141 Ariun  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 9:24:18pm

#105
Ann Holmes Redding, leading prayer:
"Our fatwa, who art in havana..."

142 mrcaniac  Mon, Jun 18, 2007 10:54:30pm

#80 BeerDrinkingVictory Monkey

In other "Christian-Muslim relations" news, the Episcopal Church in Seattle (shocka, I know) has its first openly muslim Reverend. (no, this is not a parody!)

What are the odds she has one of those fancy shmancy little "coexist" bumper stickers on her car. Whenever I see one of those I want to knock on their window and say shouldnt it be "oexist" because the "c" doesnt seem to work.(The "c" in it being ROP(tm) crescent).

Moonbats trying to act religious and not quite understanding the religions irks me.

143 Andrew Ian Dodge  Tue, Jun 19, 2007 5:53:32am

Kind of makes the Church of England types who defend Hamas look a bit stupid? I mean what happened to the thought that Hamas has nothing against Christians just the horrid Jews...er...I mean Isrealis?


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