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Plame Case Tossed

Thu, Jul 19, 2007 at 12:38:59 pm PDT

In the latest episode of one of our longest-running trumped up political scandals, the lawsuit by Valerie Plame has been tossed out.

This is going to drive the Nutroots insane. (It’s a short drive.)

WASHINGTON - A federal judge on Thursday dismissed former CIA operative Valerie Plame’s lawsuit against members of the Bush administration in the CIA leak scandal.

Plame, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had accused Vice President Dick Cheney and others of conspiring to leak her identity in 2003. Plame said that violated her privacy rights and was illegal retribution for her husband’s criticism of the administration.

U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the case on jurisdictional grounds and said he would not express an opinion on the constitutional arguments. Bates dismissed the case against all defendants: Cheney, White House political adviser Karl Rove, former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

Plame’s attorneys had said the lawsuit would be an uphill battle. Public officials are normally immune from such lawsuits filed in connection with their jobs.

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1 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:40:55pm

About frigging time....

2 Omega  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:41:13pm

Awww, thats really too bad.....

LOL!

3 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:41:21pm

Whatev-irst.

4 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:41:24pm

MR. PRESIDENT: PARDON SCOOTER!

5 ElderZionist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:42:07pm
This is going to drive the Nutroots insane. (It’s a short drive.)

That's walking, maybe crawling, distance.

6 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:42:44pm

No no no...don't look for the real criminal...**cough cough Armitage cough cough**

But go after those evil bushhitlerneoconmasterminds...

7 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:42:51pm

No Fitzmas for you! Still, I'm just a wee bit disappointed that the suit couldn't proceed so that the defense team could get to cross Wilson and Plame directly. Instead, we'll get treated to lots of footage of Wilson saying how he knows that the Administration lied, covered up, and otherwise sought to destroy his family, when the truth is quite different.

Armitage leaked the name. Not Cheney, Rove, or even Libby. Libby's conviction was because he couldn't keep his facts straight (and neither could Russert or some of the other witnesses).

8 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:43:05pm

Suck it, Wilson! BWAHAHA

9 LouisianaLightning  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:43:22pm

This is going to drive the Nutroots insane. (It’s a short drive.)

Actually it's not a drive, just a short putt

/Golfing reference

10 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:43:37pm

Pardon Ramos and Compean !

11 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:43:40pm

Hehe. Sweet! Thanks for that...

12 jamgarr  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:44:09pm

Joe Wilson is one of very few people who make me want to punch the TV when I see him - my lovely Senator, Mr. Durbin being another.

13 kpom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:44:19pm

But, but, an evil Republican judge made the decision!

When is Armitage going to be indicted, BTW?

Democratic Underground will be a lot of fun today...

14 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:44:36pm

Crazy was two exits back .

15 Jack Reacher  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:45:22pm

The Plame/Wilson web of lies continues to unravel, while LLLs repeat the same talking points, thinking that repetition makes them true.

BTW, on that Vanity Fair cover photo of the covert CIA agent Plame, was Plame wearing a Euro Scarf ™ ? Inquiring minds want to know.

16 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:45:50pm

re: #10 RedPepper

Bless you.

17 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:46:02pm

Looks like the commutation wasn't such a bad idea after all?
In 6 Months, Libby will be exonerated completely, and there will be much frothing at the mouth and gnashing of teeth. Oh Joy!

"Just look, you mentioned the word "Power" and it just leaped up!, That's Shoes for Industry for ya.."

18 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:46:13pm

So the Dems have been ragging on Scooter's jail-pass non-stop. Were they not expecting this? The spin is only being furiously woven right now? I think we're dealing with some unusually simple-minded people, here.

19 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:46:35pm

Quick! Somebody get out the straight jacket for Chris Matthews ...

20 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:46:59pm
21 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:47:27pm

This only proves that there is a conspiracy!

They're silencing us all. Camps are next!

/

22 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:47:33pm

re: #16 NY Nana

Bless you , Nana !

23 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:47:43pm
24 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:48:09pm
25 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:48:27pm
26 Tricky Dick  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:48:54pm

The Koslings will soon resemble whirling dervishes.

27 kpom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:49:21pm

I question the timing.

/snark

28 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:49:28pm

Joe got his yellowcake, and now he can go ahead and eat it, too.

So the case is tossed on jurisdictional grounds instead of the ass-chewing Plame and Wilson deserved for their BDS. I'll take a technicality at this point in the farce. As the #1 bureaucrat on "Futurama" said:

Bureaucrat Conrad, you are technically correct - the best kind of correct.

OldLineTexan

29 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:49:34pm
30 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:49:47pm

re: #12 jamgarr

Seriously how are the crops doing in Illinois. My wife is a farmer's daughter from central Illinois and she has lost contact with the state since both of her parents died.

31 Rogue198  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:49:49pm

The real question is, will Ubermoron finally blow a blood vessel?

32 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:50:18pm

re: #29 taxfreekiller

then move the frogs to the ice....

33 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:50:21pm

So the judiciary is finally growing a pair. About friggin' time.

34 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:50:24pm
This is going to drie the Nutroots insane

Yes, it is.

Of course they already were insane to begin with.

Here too.

35 TimeQuake  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:50:31pm

A little bit of good news.

36 wvobiwan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:50:59pm

re: #14 eastvillageinfidel

Crazy was two exits back .

Excellent! Correct, "Crazy" was just past the on ramp for the Ignoramus Bypass.

37 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:51:01pm

So Charles, are you going to dumpster dive the "progressives" for us?

38 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:51:02pm

Breaking: Valerie Plame's Civil Suit Dismissed

Komments...

Now I'm no lawyer, but that "reasoning" sounds like frank bullshit to me. If I’m hit by a truck, it’s an accident. If a truck deliberately runs over me, and the government encourages the driver to back up and squish me again, well, that’s another matter entirely.


Fools.

39 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:51:25pm

Wow, I had first....


/ Sweet...now to piss off some lurking moonbats...

40 kpom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:51:26pm

re: #21 Silhouette

This only proves that there is a conspiracy!

They're silencing us all. Camps are next!

/

You laugh. From Democratic Underground's "FrustratedLady":

"WHAT is going on? This is insane. Our justice system is dead, plain and simple. Added: Our justice system is dead, until THE ADMINISTRATION tries to put us in prison.

Anybody ever learn the actual location of the KBR prisons, or even if they were built? Too many things are falling into place to be a coincidence. We have 17 more months?"

41 ElderZionist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:51:30pm

re: #23 taxfreekiller

Ya, "It all started with the chads".

Blessed be the chads, may they hang in there forever.

42 zmdavid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:52:05pm

If the suit went forward, the damages would have to be a negative amount. Wilson and Plame are wealthier and much more famous than they were, so they made money on the deal.

43 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:52:14pm
Public officials are normally immune from such lawsuits filed in connection with their jobs.

Yeah right. It was because they were officials.

Not because there was no crime, the non-crime was done by someone other than those accused, etc.

(eye roll)

44 jamgarr  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:52:29pm

re: #30 david e

As far as I can tell the corn is doing fine in Central IL. The soybeans were hurt more by the earlier lack of rain and still look pekid.

/anyone with more agrarian savvy please feel free to comment

45 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:52:31pm

Give Valerie Plame a lie-detector test !

Waterboard Joe Wilson !

Use Patrick Fitzgerald for a Christmas tree angel !

/(I'm kidding! I'm kidding ...)

46 MrMom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:53:29pm

If you believe it, it's not a lie.

/George Costanza

47 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:53:38pm

More komments.....

Torches. Pitchforks. (13+ / 0-)

Just sayin', is all.

response....

every time that gets mentioned (7+ / 0-)

it seems less and less extreme...more and more appropriate.

i think its almost come to that. and i just taped up the handle of my pitchfork...so no more splinters!

Revolution!

48 Daisy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:53:50pm

Is this the same Valerie Plame that regularly outted herself as a minor CIA employee at dinner parties, the gym, the grocery store etc. etc. etc. ? Thought so. Good riddance to her and her equally awful mate.

Her social equivalent, Paris Hilton, is much more amusing and tons more honest.

49 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:53:53pm

Silhouette, you expect moonbats to actually use logic in their arguments?

50 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:54:11pm

re: #45 RedPepper

So you are now "RedPepper the Impaler"?

51 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:54:36pm

Isn't there still going to be an investigation of the Plames? And does Libby get his $$ back, or has that already been spent?

52 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:55:04pm

Logic is to moonbats as garlic is to vampires.

53 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:55:10pm

Dropping Plames suit is somehow arousing to me.

54 RTLM  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:55:13pm

"Its a Neocon Conspiracy - a cover up! The judge was paid off! And its NOT FAIR"

heh

55 Iron Fist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:55:25pm

I blame Canada.

56 MrMom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:55:48pm

RON PAUL!

57 RTLM  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:56:07pm

I think Plame is sort of hot though...

58 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:56:37pm

This is just another sign of global warming.

59 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:01pm

re: #50 david e

david e: if you say so ... I used to be a smoker, but I had to quit, so I am no longer the Inhaler, at least ...

60 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:07pm
61 wvobiwan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:20pm

re: #57 RTLM

I think Plame is sort of hot though...

I've always been curious about what her so-called clandestine job history was about...honey trap?

62 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:26pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

Can't you see 'em with pitchforks and torches, trying to find the power cords, or holding them upside down?

63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:36pm

re: #47 Killgore Trout

I love when people who try to tear down the 2d amendment and scorn the military all the time talk about revolution.

Pitchforks, how quaint.

64 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:57:59pm

re: #49 dadofseven

Silhouette, you expect moonbats to actually use logic in their arguments?

I was quoting the AP article.

But, I am repeating you.

65 spikester  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:58:05pm

She's now a legal martyr.

66 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:58:07pm

Huffpo comments....
Judge Dismisses Plame Civil Suit Against Cheney, Rove, And Libby

I HOPE THE CIA GETS REVENGE.

PAYBACK'S A BITCH.


.....

You would think someone in the CIA would stand up, and take the law into too their own hands. Alledgedly the CIA are not to me messed with, but in this case, they wet their panties and slither into their closet weeping for some tittie, from their mother. PATHETIC, where are the PATRIOTS of America ?

...etc

67 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:58:39pm

re: #59 RedPepper
Congrats on quitting. I quit in seventh grade (I kid you not)

68 Dasher  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:58:57pm

re: #13 kpom

When is Armitage going to be indicted, BTW?

There is/was no need to indict Armitage or anyone else.. no crime was committed. Valerie Plame was just a slug sitting behind a desk.

69 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:59:10pm

re: #63 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #47 Killgore Trout

I love when people who try to tear down the 2d amendment and scorn the military all the time talk about revolution.

Pitchforks, how quaint.

Yes, a revolution without evil gunz will be...short.

OldLineTexan

70 wvobiwan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:59:33pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Huffpo comments....
Judge Dismisses Plame Civil Suit Against Cheney, Rove, And Libby


I HOPE THE CIA GETS REVENGE.

PAYBACK'S A BITCH.


.....


You would think someone in the CIA would stand up, and take the law into too their own hands. Alledgedly the CIA are not to me messed with, but in this case, they wet their panties and slither into their closet weeping for some tittie, from their mother. PATHETIC, where are the PATRIOTS of America ?

...etc

Actually, moonbat scum, they're either in uniform, formerly wore one, or are right here at the Lizard nest.

71 mean Gene  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 12:59:34pm

Good.
Now it makes Hillary look worse than she already did to have Joe W. Plame on her team.
Hee hee.

72 Gmac  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:00:45pm

re: #14 eastvillageinfidel

Crazy was two exits back .

Heh, 'short drive' was two exits back if you count it by presidential elections which is what really started the BDS syndrome.
I really hope the door leaves a bruise on her when the court house door slams shut.

73 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:00:53pm

re: #34 Ringo the Gringo

the neighborhoods you hang out in...

74 OldLineTexan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:01:01pm

re: #71 mean Gene

Good.
Now it makes Hillary look worse than she already did to have Joe W. Plame on her team.
Hee hee.

Hillary will just have them play the badger game on Obama.

OldLineTexan

75 alegrias  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:01:49pm

Richard Armitage and his boss Colin Powell are "unofficial" advisors to the McCain campaign, now also going down in Pflames.

All these folks undermined our War on Terror, undermined Vice President Cheney and President Bush's ability to focus on their jobs instead of worrying about their employee Scooter Libby being burnt at the liberal stake for over three years.

Vanity Pflame can't rot in Hades enough for this act of war against her country.

76 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:01:53pm

While it is fun to watch the nutroots seething, this gives the MSM yet another chance to have publicity-hound Joe Wilson on CNN and MSNBC and the weekend shows playing the victim for the ten-thousandth time....

When will his 15 minutes of fame be up?

...and speaking of that court case, Plame and her attorneys should be grateful that the court didn't sanction her for filing a bogus lawsuit.

77 jamgarr  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:01:58pm

Val and Joe - what a lovely pair
Photoed artistically in Vanity Fair
Public servants so dedicated
With qualities so rare
But at feigning indignity
I'd rate them just "fair"

78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:02:01pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

I'm guessing they decided not to take into account that the CIA might actually be more busy with their actual job than petty BS involving an inactive agent.

79 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:02:09pm

re: #67 david e

david e: Like I said, I had to. Stroke ... actually, to be precise, I had two ... so looks like maybe you got out while the gettin' was good ...

80 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:03:39pm

Psssst....guys got the word...they're gonna start the pick-ups tonite..02:00 e.s.t...the "rest areas" are now open....


/making moonbats feel at home....

81 zulubaby  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:03:57pm

Whereohwhere is HULUGU?

82 MrMom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:04:19pm

re: #61 wvobiwan

re: #57 RTLM


I think Plame is sort of hot though...

I've always been curious about what her so-called clandestine job history was about...honey trap?

Sharon Stone in 'Total Recall'

83 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:04:39pm

re: #66 Killgore Trout

Umm, so they thing Valerie Plame is a beloved figure in the CIA? I should think they are more interested in getting the stink of the whole affair off of them, not assasinating someone who didn't make the leak in the first place.

I guess it's just cheaper to have these HuffPo's self-detained in their own little fantasy worlds. At least until the great interstate deprogramming facility has been completed.

84 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:05:06pm

re: #82 MrMom

I will say she is easy on the eyes

85 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:05:44pm

re: #83 Salem

salem...see my 80...shhhhhhh....

86 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:05:46pm

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most of the CIA and NSA people I've known are very politically moderate and have no patience for partisan zealots.

87 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:06:14pm

re: #79 RedPepper

Well I wish you the best of health and a long happy life.

88 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:06:24pm

If my dog rams it's head into the wall once he knows not to do it again.

I guess my dog is smarter then the Democrats.

89 Buck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:07:00pm

Any other lizards out there holding Microsoft (MSFT)?

I am, and with earnings out tonight and todays run, I think someone knows something...

90 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:07:30pm

re: #88 bulwrk

bulwark,your dog is smarter than most polititians period...

91 paint-right  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:08:32pm

# 80 and #83 LOL

92 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:08:38pm

re: #87 david e

And I the same to you, sir.

93 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:08:48pm

re: #88 bulwrk

I'd say your dog is smarter than about nine-tenths of Congress.

94 wvobiwan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:09:11pm

re: #86 Killgore Trout

re: #78 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

Most of the CIA and NSA people I've known are very politically moderate and have no patience for partisan zealots.

My drummer is at NSA, a staunch and sensible conservative. Former military. The leftist, PC mindset is general found in civilian management, executive levels.

95 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:09:37pm

re: #48 Daisy

Her social equivalent, Paris Hilton, is much more amusing and tons more honest.


I heard Paris was going to play her in the movie. "Paris in Plames"

96 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:09:43pm

Yeah, I think most in the CIA know the score, here. They won't be throwing any parties for the Plames.

97 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:10:21pm

re: #95 easy

BOOOOO

98 sadatoni  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:10:30pm

Common sense prevails.... refreshing.

99 RTLM  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:12:10pm

re: #95 easy

I heard Paris was going to play her in the movie. "Paris in Plames"

LOL - can I use that later?

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101 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:13:04pm

Another in a long list of Mama Ass Sheehan wannbees. Joe Wilson's narcissistic routine will have finally run its course after we have to listen to him whine a few days on the lib stations.

102 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:14:17pm

sadatoni #98: "Common sense prevails.... refreshing alarming ! ...

103 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:15:55pm
U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the case on jurisdictional grounds and said he would not express an opinion on the constitutional arguments. Bates dismissed the case against all defendants: Cheney, White House political adviser Karl Rove, former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

So they could find another court and try again. I wonder if they will, though.

104 FriarsTale  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:17:45pm

OT
Michael Moore the Sick-Hole
[Link: cruxy.com...]

the Plames get a cameo in this slideshow about Nutroots
[Link: cruxy.com...]

105 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:17:58pm

Sorry for this everybody it's tremendously off-topic but... Ed will enjoy this,...

I was in a meeting with a conference room with windows and I believe I saw snow falling in NYC for about 5 minutes before a major T-storm passed by...

106 Richard Romano  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:18:24pm

Haha, I love it :) What a joke this "scandal" was -- and I hope the Kos kidz go bananas, er, crazy ;)

107 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:18:28pm
108 RTLM  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:18:36pm

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

Any lawyers in the house?

109 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:19:02pm

Update on the Oak Ridge nuclear secrets case:

He just pled not guilty. If convicted, he faces what I consider a small punishment of 10 years or fines to $250,000.

110 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:19:04pm

Sorry for my moaning on the last thread. Maybe there's not actually much more to be said about this case at this point. The fun will be in watching the melt-down on the left in the next three weeks. And the looks on the Plame's faces when they realize their little show has been cancelled and the hungry worm has turned and taken notice of their foolish commotion.

111 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:19:12pm

re: #14 eastvillageinfidel

Only two? LOL

112 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:19:56pm

re: #94 wvobiwan

re: #86 Killgore Trout

My drummer is at NSA, a staunch and sensible conservative.

So that means you also live in the Metropolitan area...shhhhhhh the "rest stops are now open" and our glorious leader all hail...I mean Bush said that "the moon barks at the dog"

/ Moonbat filter off...

113 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:21:25pm

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Suck it!

114 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:21:55pm

re: #26 Tricky Dick

tasmanian devils

115 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:22:01pm

re: #105 tfc3rid

There was a tornado that touched down in CT..we are under alert for severe thunderstorms and possibly heavy rains in Mamaroneck..the storms are coming from Boston...not raining here yet. Orange and Rockland are getting hit, but not as bad as CT. Get home safe!

Big airport delays for a change.

116 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:22:38pm

Follow the money trail. This whole affair had two ideas.

1: Get someone in the Bush Administration, preferably Karl Rove, and possibly a perjury trap for Cheney and impeachment for Bush, but they had to settle for Scooter Libby, and whether he stays permanently in the gotcha column remains to be seen with appeals coming forthwith.

2: Money for Val and Joe. Not nearly what they wanted but their bank accounts have been bolstered nonetheless. Never mind Libby's life has been put on hold and he's 250,000 dollars poorer because of these two who have been encouraged in their quest by powers behind the curtains.

117 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:23:07pm

re: #113 Hard Right

I have a great comeback but Charles might have a cardiac.

118 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:23:51pm

re: #103 Ward Cleaver
They are going to have to go up the food chain. Early reports said the Judge had no standing, but that clearly is not the case. The judge is saying that even if Plame was to win they could not receive any redress.
Next up would be a panel from the First Circuit, I think. And if I am not mistaken at this point the suit could be quashed by Justice Roberts unless a majority of SCOTUS wants to take it up.

119 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:24:24pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

done

120 Steffan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:24:29pm

re: #51 Salem

Isn't there still going to be an investigation of the Plames? And does Libby get his $$ back, or has that already been spent?

Naah. Dingy Harry used it to buy pizza for the campout night in the Senate. You remember that, the one that he called for but didn't stay for?

121 kalel666  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:24:30pm

No Frog March for you!

Come back, Never!

122 Dr. Shalit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:24:39pm

Hopefully, this case will be taught in Law Schools as a prime example of the reason for what I recall as being R. 12(b)(6) FRCP - Failure to state a cause of action upon which relief may be granted - with Valerie's picture next to it.

-S-

123 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:25:18pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

done
147753 Signatures Total

124 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:25:46pm

re: #118 david e

It only takes 4 Supreme Court justices to accept a case.

125 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:26:24pm

re: #105 tfc3rid

hail?

126 Sabraguy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:26:38pm

OT

BBC Refuses to Delete Antisemitic Lies (previoulsy on LGF)

Well, I complained, and they've now deleted it. Here's what they emailed me.

Dear BBC Reader,

Further to your complaint about some of the content on a BBC community site (reference number P16083408), we have decided that it does indeed contravene the House Rules and have removed the offending material. Thank you for pointing this out to us.

Best wishes,

The BBC Moderation Team

Keep reminding them of their responsibilities. Let them know you won't put up with casual anti-semitism. Eventually they'll get the message. Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom!

127 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:26:43pm

re: #117 MandyManners

ahhh...go for it,don't leave us in suspence....

128 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:27:27pm

re: #124 Mike C.

Thanks

129 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:27:31pm

Speaking of Leftist liars, Kerry is a busy bee. His latest lies, or rather a misstatement, or gaffe, or lapse, or failed joke, depending on how Kerry will seek to clarify it going forward:

Sen. John Kerry said during a C-Span appearance that fears of a bloodbath after the US withdrawal from Vietnam never materialized. He says he’s met survivors of the “reeducation camps” who are thriving in modern Vietnam. An award-winning investigation by the Orange County Register concludes that at least 165,000 people perished in the camps.

Then throw in a couple million more killed in Laos and Cambodia and you get the picture. Just hit the ignore button....

130 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:27:34pm

re: #115 NY Nana

Keep your eye on the sky!

131 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:27:38pm

So, is Valerie's next move a little talk with Hugh Hefner ?

132 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:27:58pm

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the case on jurisdictional grounds and said he would not express an opinion on the constitutional arguments. Bates dismissed the case against all defendants: Cheney, White House political adviser Karl Rove, former White House aide I. Lewis “Scooter” Libby and former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage.

So they could find another court and try again. I wonder if they will, though.

I don't think so, just because it means that they get to be forever aggrieved as being hamstrung by the evil BusHitlerCo.

133 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:28:26pm

re: #124 Mike C.


but they have to really want to. Ba dum

Thank you. I'll be here all week.

134 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:28:29pm

re: #122 Dr. Shalit

No fair! You're not allowed to bring actual law and the FRCP into this! L3

135 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:28:29pm

re: #117 MandyManners

re: #113 Hard Right

I have a great comeback but Charles might have a cardiac.

Come on Mandy, do it. No time to be shy.

136 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:28:44pm

re: #129 lawhawk

why doesn't he just S T F U....

137 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:29:25pm

re: #127 Boondock St. Bender

I've been deleted only twice. I don't wanna' push it.

138 Peacekeeper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:29:42pm

BIG BUSH IS RIPPING US OFF!

139 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:29:43pm

re: #131 RedPepper

nah...larry flynt....

140 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:29:50pm

re: #91 paint-right

# 80 and #83 LOL

Oh yeah, well if they haven't gotten started on it yet, their inevitable headache will only grow more Jupiter-massive. We need serious psychological proffesionals working on this right now. We have a heap to swiftly, almost magically, learn about the human psyche in the next few years if we want to be able to handle the fallout of this mass-psychosis. And lets hope we don't have any other issues to deal with in front of it. Like survival.

Psychology is the future, but the field has a lot of dead flesh to cut out to seriously proceed. The clutter-fuck of it now is breath-taking. It's like the science of Ecology after a hundred years of political-media ravages.

141 Endangered in MASS  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:30:31pm

re: #137 MandyManners

I think I saw both of them.

142 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:30:31pm

re: #135 HDrepub

I'll just say this: it involves the words "suck" and "what."

143 CAD Daddy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:30:33pm

OT but Undersecretary of Defense Eric Edelman has taken a shot at Hillary.

Edelman: "Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda that the United States will abandon its allies in Iraq, much as we are perceived to have done in Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia,"

"such talk understandably unnerves the very same Iraqi allies we are asking to assume enormous personal risks."

Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines called Edelman's answer "at once outrageous and dangerous," and said the senator would respond to his boss, Defense Secretary Robert Gates.

YIKES!

Linky.

144 tappin52  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:30:40pm

I guess I should read the entire article, but with the judge claiming not to have jurisdiction, does this mean that this case could resurface somewhere else?

145 commander_vimes  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:30:49pm

re: #132 vxbush

I don't think so, just because it means that they get to be forever aggrieved as being hamstrung by the evil BusHitlerCo.


Yeah, but they only need to keep it going til nov 2008

/ questioning the timing in advance

146 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:31:10pm

re: #131 RedPepper

So, is Valerie's next move a little talk with Hugh Hefner ?

Probably not, Playboy doesn't have air brushes for stretch marks, and she is a little too mature for Hef's taste.

147 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:31:15pm

re: #141 Endangered in MASS

*blush*

148 Steffan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:31:17pm

re: #84 Boondock St. Bender

re: #82 MrMom

I will say she is easy on the eyes

There are a lot of women that are easy on the eyes. Doesn't make the sludge between their ears any less toxic.

Kirsten Dunst and her "freedom" "peace" scarf is a prime example.

149 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:31:33pm

Don't know if this was linked earlier...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

150 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:31:50pm

Plame's the name,
Blame's the game
Anything, for a piece of fame

151 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:32:26pm

Damn it.

Our arguments hold up so well when we teach classes, write articles, or hold up signs at rallies, but when we have to face opposition arguements, like in talk radio or in the court rooms, we keep failing.

I just don't understand why!

/LLL

152 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:32:44pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Pol Pot has been avenged. It didnt happen

153 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:32:47pm

re: #125 Eowyn2

Could have been hail but it was flying around like snow...

154 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:33:06pm
I've always been curious about what her so-called clandestine job history was about...honey trap?

It certainly wasn't actually "intelligence".

Let's see the time line here....

Valerie sets up Joe on the mission.
Joe goes on the mission.
Joe lies about the mission in an editorial (a breach of security).
Armitage (known war critic) tells Novak the name of Plame.
Novak publishes name.
Joe and Plame accuse Bush admin of leaking name.
Investigation.
Novak immediately tells Fitzgerald Armitage gave him name.
Fitzgerald wastes money and candy asses around.
Fitzgerald realizes he can't get Bush, Cheney, or Rove.
Fitzgerald charges Libby with obstruction of justice (never once considering why would he lie to protect Armitage).
Libby is convicted.
Plame's Civil suit is dismissed.

Exactly how big a waste was this? And how big of a setup of the Bush admin was this?

What a keystone farce orchestrated by Wilson, Plame, the CIA, Armitage, Powell, and the former CIA people who the current CIA people are beholden to.

155 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:33:16pm

re: #144 tappin52

That's what I'm wondering.

156 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:33:28pm

professionals proffesionals Man, what a common, stupid typo for me. I can't get it out of my head that there's two "f"s in that word.

157 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:33:35pm

Can Libby, Rove, or Cheney sue for defamation of character if the Wilson's pursue their biopic and finger them as the villians?

No crime has been committed in the Plame case. Hell, it appears no wrong doing of any kind has been committed in the Plame case.

158 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:33:59pm

Stock market = Yowzah!

159 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:34:33pm

re: #148 Steffan

re: #84 Boondock St. Bender


re: #82 MrMom

I will say she is easy on the eyes


There are a lot of women that are easy on the eyes. Doesn't make the sludge between their ears any less toxic.

Kirsten Dunst and her "freedom" "peace" scarf is a prime example.

Don't remind me! I loved her in "Bring it On." She epitomized "perky."

160 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:34:43pm

re: #97 david e

re: #99 RTLM

Pretty weak I admit.

161 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:34:47pm

re: #152 Eowyn2


Eowyn, can you e-mail me? I've got something to tell you....my nic is blue.....thanks, if you could! :)

162 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:34:53pm

Valerie Plame is not an unpleasant-looking woman... I mean, she beats most of Bubba's conquests, let's say... but she ain't pinup material, either.

Naturally, though, in the movie she'll be played by Angelina Jolie or some such thing.

163 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:35:00pm

I always thought it would be fun,to dress in a dark suit,dark sunglasses,go to a L3 rally....bring mycamera,talk into my wrist alot...take lots of pics.let the paranoia run from there....

wouldn't want to screw things up for zombie or her/his compatriots though....

164 Thor-Zone  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:35:22pm

Awesome....let the seething begin!

165 RedPepper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:35:38pm

re: #139 Boondock St. Bender

True ... after all, he is a Democrat operative in his other life ...
dunno about his photo style tho ... I mean, how would that look in Vanity Fair?

166 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:35:50pm

re: #154 cpuller

You forgot to add Val lied about Joe's "mission" when she testified before a Congressional hearing committee.

167 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:35:58pm

re: #142 MandyManners

No "swallow"

168 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:36:03pm

re: #162 Occasional Reader

Valerie Plame is not an unpleasant-looking woman... I mean, she beats most of Bubba's conquests, let's say... but she ain't pinup material, either.

Naturally, though, in the movie she'll be played by Angelina Jolie or some such thing.

Yes well, this is true ... but you still made me laugh

169 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:36:51pm

re: #148 Steffan

oh, agreed...give me a woman w/a brain over over an airhead any day(irespective of looks in either direction)

170 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:37:09pm

re: #107 NY Nana

re: #95 easy

Speaking of movies and timing? First Plame Case Film Set to Roll -- With Kate Beckinsale as Judy Miller?


Dang, I though you were kidding.

171 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:37:17pm

#159 Mandy:

"perky."

If this turns into a boob thread, you'll have only yourself to blame.

172 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:37:40pm

re: #154 cpuller


where there's smoke there's someone rubbing two sticks together in an ice storm.

173 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:38:02pm

re: #166 HDrepub

Yeah, I knew I'd miss some things. I also missed Wilson testifying before Congress on documents he wasn't cleared for and being asked to rephrase his answer because if he didn't he could be prosecuted.

Just WHO leaked secrets to Wilson that he wasn't cleared for, HMMMMM?

174 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:38:03pm

re: #167 Eowyn2

Nope. My face is burning hot.

175 GreenDroll  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:38:49pm

When will Mr. Wilson's investigation be made public? The interviews, the visits, the stake-outs, the painstakingly reviewed records, the informants, the contacts, ... I'm betting no investigation took place at all.
I would love to see his expense account for the trip published, I am sure that exists.
It is my belief that if Mr. Wilson had seen a tanker sporting radioactive warning stickers and signs reading "Caution! Lots of yellow-cake on board" leaving port flying the Iraqi flag with Saddam himself at the helm, he would have covered his eyes.

176 Steffan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:02pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Speaking of Leftist liars, Kerry is a busy bee. His latest lies, or rather a misstatement, or gaffe, or lapse, or failed joke, depending on how Kerry will seek to clarify it going forward:

Sen. John Kerry said during a C-Span appearance that fears of a bloodbath after the US withdrawal from Vietnam never materialized. He says he’s met survivors of the “reeducation camps” who are thriving in modern Vietnam. An award-winning investigation by the Orange County Register concludes that at least 165,000 people perished in the camps.

Then throw in a couple million more killed in Laos and Cambodia and you get the picture. Just hit the ignore button....

Kerry has never, to my knowledge, set foot in the Little Saigon area of Orange County. He doesn't dare go near the place... no one would ever find his body.

There's a Vietnam War memorial in Garden Grove that flies the South Vietnam flag, 24/7. A local video store nearly caused a riot by displaying the Viet Cong flag. People in that area have long memories, and they definitely know how to hold a grudge long past its sell-by date.

177 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:07pm

re: #171 Occasional Reader

I think I'm gonna' hide in the closet.

178 myspamhere  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:08pm

As you have seen from my comments, I am far right on most issues, but in this case, an active CIA agent's identity. This is a crime, and no one has been charged with this crime.
First Novac should be charged because he is the one who made the name public.

179 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:20pm

Boob = dumb guy

180 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:48pm

Saw the biggest water spout I have ever seen on lake Ponchitrain earlier. Pretty close to the UNO campus but I don't think it made land.

181 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:39:51pm

Wilson and Plame lied,
Thousands died.

182 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:40:04pm

Gatuitous boob pic.

183 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:40:22pm

re: #169 Boondock St. Bender

re: #148 Steffan

oh, agreed...give me a woman w/a brain over over an airhead any day(irespective of looks in either direction)

Ah, if only more men would think along these lines...

184 Paul  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:40:34pm

re: #129 lawhawk

I heard Kerry this morning, what a lying scumbag. He basically stated that the Vietnamese "re-education camps" were about as tough as four weeks with Outward Bound and no mention, of course, of Pol Pot.

185 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:41:35pm

re: #178 myspamhere

As you have seen from my comments, I am far right on most issues, but in this case, an active CIA agent's identity. This is a crime, and no one has been charged with this crime.
First Novac should be charged because he is the one who made the name public.

Was she an active agent at that time or had she been one within the statutory time?

186 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:41:51pm

Yet another update on the Oak Ridge nuclear secret case.

Here is Roy Lynn Oakley's lawyer, revealing his defense strategy.

"All I can tell you is that we're dealing with 3 to 5 pieces of broken pipe that were going to be thrown away," Moncier said. "Broken rods that were going to be thrown away, that's what we're dealing with. And we're dealing with a friendly nation and a government undercover agent that was buying these for the enrichment of an energy, to a friendly nation. Y'all make your conclusions."

First of all you have to believe that we never destroy or throw away anything secret (remember the video last week on the F-14 destructions to keep parts from falling into the wrong hands?) so that if the pipes were being thrown away, they can't be harmful secrets.

Secondly, I just wonder who that "friendly" nation is that needed the enrichment technology for "energy." Now remember, he wasn't actually dealing with someone from this "friendly" nation, but he thought he was.

187 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:41:56pm

Court: Verdict sticks to 'Teflon Imam'
[Link: www.philly.com...]

He lost his wife - to jail.
He lost his power to rub elbows with movers and shakers. And he lost his position as resident imam at a West Philadelphia mosque and director of an Islamic school.

And yesterday, Imam Shamsud-din Ali, 69, of Melrose Park, lost his federal appeal.

Ali must now face the inevitable: Go to jail.

"We're at the end of the road," said attorney, James "Jimmy" Binns, who represented Ali at the nine-week trial, and, with attorney Thomas Schneider, appealed his conviction two years ago.

Binns argued that drug testimony prejudiced the jury because Ali was not charged with drug offenses, but the appellate court found otherwise.

In a 15-page opinion written by Chief Judge Anthony Scirica, a three-judge panel found that the drug evidence against Ali was warranted to prove the racketeering charges, and the trial judge properly warned the jury that Ali was not charged with drug offenses.

For two years while awaiting an appeal, his onetime supporters say, Ali acted like he was the "Teflon imam," and that nothing could touch him.

"He was going around as if there was no day of judgment, and it's come," said a Muslim leader with the Philadelphia Masjid, which Ali had run for 30 years.

188 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:41:58pm
U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the case on jurisdictional grounds

What does this mean?

189 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:42:06pm

Speaking of Vietnam, has anyone visited the Midway in SD and heard some of the stories of the evacuation of Saigon?

Really eye-opening. They said they had a prop plane with an SV Major and his family land on the carrier and a bunch of our guys stood out on the deck to stop it since he wasn't set up for carrier landings.

190 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:43:18pm

re: #186 Silhouette

Hasn't that asshole ever heard of a false-flag?

191 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:43:52pm
192 cbinflux  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:05pm

re: #178 myspamhere

BS! She told all of her neighbors, party guests, and even was profiled in a magazine.

193 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:06pm

LOL! Heads are poppin' over @ DU!

194 myspamhere  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:06pm

re: #185 MandyManners

re: #178 myspamhere

As you have seen from my comments, I am far right on most issues, but in this case, an active CIA agent's identity. This is a crime, and no one has been charged with this crime.
First Novac should be charged because he is the one who made the name public.

Was she an active agent at that time or had she been one within the statutory time?

I am not sure of that, in all honesty. but my understanding is that she was a field agent, and to disclose that means that all of the countries she visited knows they had an active CIA agent at the time, and this is a danger to the US

195 yochanan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:11pm

i know how to find osama bin laudin Just put a t.v. cam in front of him and chuck shurmer would lead the charge.

196 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:28pm
Secondly, I just wonder who that "friendly" nation is that needed the enrichment technology for "energy." Now remember, he wasn't actually dealing with someone from this "friendly" nation, but he thought he was.

There are no friendly countries when it comes to enrichment tech, in my opinion.

197 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:44:31pm

I'm laughing my BUTT off. Went to HUFFPO and read many of the "yellers" words. Man talk about BDS. (-:

198 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:45:12pm

re: #161 Ma Sands

Done

199 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:45:23pm

re: #193 sngnsgt

c'mon that place always sounds like jiffy-pop!

200 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:45:30pm

Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

201 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:45:48pm

re: #191 taxfreekiller

Well, it sure was strange... Doubt there would be a tornado in Midtown Manhattan...

202 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:46:33pm

re: #194 myspamhere

If someone broke the law, she/he should be prosecuted but, that's not been proven to my knowledge.

203 sngnsgt  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:46:40pm

#197 Dustoff-507

I think that's, "yeller-bellies."

204 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:46:48pm

Someone here on LGF went back and found out her history from looking at Who's Who, as I recall. Or maybe that was Rich Galen. Let me see if I can find a link.

205 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:46:53pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

i signed it at 147829, so why is it still there? deliberations i'm guessing

206 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:46:55pm

re: #194 myspamhere

When I interviewed for the CIA years and years ago, I was told flat out that only my immediate family could be aware of whom I worked for. Therefore, Armitage should be charged with something, I just dont know what.

207 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:47:01pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

lol!

208 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:47:03pm

re: #195 yochanan

chuck shumer knocks starry eyed children,and wheelchair stricken old ladies out of his path when he even sniffs a camera....

209 kansas  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:47:13pm

Larry Flynt...............Please contact Valerie at once.

Your Pal
Joe

210 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:47:30pm

re: #174 MandyManners

sorry.

211 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:48:15pm

(Kate Beckinsale is certainly looking awfully, er, "perky" in that pic... I cut n' pasted rather quickly, heh, so I hope I'm not corrupting any morals out there)

212 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:48:44pm

re: #26 Tricky Dick

That Sufi order is much more sane thank you than the Kos types.

213 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:48:52pm

re: #210 Eowyn2

'Sokay.

214 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:48:52pm
215 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:06pm

re: #203 sngnsgt

#197 Dustoff-507

I think that's, "yeller-bellies."

LOL works for me buddy. My guts hurt from lauhging so hard.

I've never seen this much cusing since I in was in the Army.

216 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:11pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

I'm guessing that means I would have to be played by Ray Stevenson then.

217 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:15pm
218 jamgarr  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:16pm

re: #195 yochanan


You know what they say - the most dangerous place in D.C. is between Chuck Shumer and a camera.

219 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:18pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

hmmm.if i'm deemed imortant enough for a part....jason stratham....yeah,that works......

220 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:18pm

North Korea agrees to give up any nuke weapons and processes.

With Congress stymied on their infantile stop the war votes and plummeting approval ratings, Bush is having a pretty good week.

The unstated thing about the Red Mosque incident in Pakistan is Musharraf's very life depends on taking the fight to al Qaeda- expect the US and Musharraf to coordinate some lovely raids in the tribal areas.

221 witwwats  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:29pm

Valerie Plame had been off of the "active" covert roster for YEARS. Stating that she was (at one time) a covert agent is not a crime as long as it is not within 2 (?) years of her covert service. THAT is why there was no crime. It doesn't matter who said what, as long as the when was post 2 years of covert service.

222 FQ Kafir  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:32pm

The Blotter: Iraq/US Smuggling Ring Busted

A criminal ring attempting to smuggle Iraqis into the United States has been busted in Lima, Peru, U.S. law enforcement officials tell the Blotter on ABCNews.com.

At least 10 Iraqis have been arrested over the last month there, some as they prepared to board flights to Los Angeles.

223 Leatherneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:49:51pm

LOBSTER STICKS TO MAGNET!

224 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:50:25pm

re: #211 Occasional Reader

Her headlights are on "bright."

225 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:51:01pm

re: #206 Eowyn2

re: #194 myspamhere

When I interviewed for the CIA years and years ago, I was told flat out that only my immediate family could be aware of whom I worked for. Therefore, Armitage should be charged with something, I just dont know what.

I wish they would let this die. I am sick to death of the Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson Traveling Flea and Tick Circus...

226 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:51:14pm

I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

227 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:51:30pm

Peacekeeper will be portrayed by...

[factoring in Hollywood beautifying]


...

...

... Danny DeVito.

228 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:51:50pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

and according to Alexa Google is the #2 search site (#3 if you count msn as a search site).

229 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:51:58pm

re: #154 cpuller
You missed one:

Armitage lies to grand jury.

230 Dave the.....  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:05pm
Valerie Plame had been off of the "active" covert roster for YEARS. Stating that she was (at one time) a covert agent is not a crime as long as it is not within 2 (?) years of her covert service. THAT is why there was no crime. It doesn't matter who said what, as long as the when was post 2 years of covert service.

Correct. She had a desk job at Langly for sometime with the events in question happened.

She had such a low level job that the person who said "Wilsons wife works for the CIA and recommended him for the job", didn't realize she considered herself covert.

231 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:15pm

Hi Buzz!

232 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:37pm

re: #227 Occasional Reader

Peacekeeper will be portrayed by...

[factoring in Hollywood beautifying]


...

...

... Danny DeVito.


OOOOOOOO-man how could you. Anyone but Danny. 0-:

233 Steffan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:38pm

re: #189 cpuller

Speaking of Vietnam, has anyone visited the Midway in SD and heard some of the stories of the evacuation of Saigon?

Really eye-opening. They said they had a prop plane with an SV Major and his family land on the carrier and a bunch of our guys stood out on the deck to stop it since he wasn't set up for carrier landings.

I'd suggest you get a copy of the book No Place to Hide by Gerry Carroll. It's a novel that focuses on the last four weeks of the Republic of Vietnam's existence, including the evacuation of Saigon just ahead of the invading NVA.

Some of the scenes in the book are horrific. Unfortunately, they're also true.

234 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:42pm

re: #225 Ginn

the Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson Traveling Flea and Tick Circus

I LOVE it!

235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:52:50pm

re: #227 Occasional Reader

LOL,

The part of the Nodrog will be played by Steve Buscemi

236 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:09pm

re: #229 easy

I missed a few! I'm glad I have others to back me up. Thanks!

237 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:11pm

re: #225 Ginn

I think we can blame Plame & Wilson for keeping it going and going and going. Its a pink bunny case. If they can get it into a superior court (like the 9th circuit) they can do some damage to reputations.

If a lie is repeated over and over and over, it becomes the truth.

238 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:13pm

re: #208 Boondock St. Bender

Are you in NY by any chance? :) I hate Chucky Cheese. His only virtue is being a friend of Israel, but otherwise? That smirk of his..so self-righteous. Feh.

[My Mum zt"l always told me to find one nice thing to say about a person.]

239 Dominic Yeso  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:19pm

re: #41 ElderZionist

LOL

The curse of the chads.

240 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:49pm

re: #233 Steffan

Will do, thanks!

241 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:54pm

re: #226 david e

I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

Don't besmirch nipples!

242 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:53:55pm

re: #234 MandyManners

re: #225 Ginn

the Valerie Plame and Joe Wilson Traveling Flea and Tick Circus
I LOVE it!

If the Flea And Tick Collar fits!

/hi Mandy!

243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:54:02pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

Beer Drinking Victory Monkey will be played by Matthew Perry (from Friends). I've been told I look like him - even once had someone on the train ask me if I was him. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

244 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:54:28pm

You know, I never thought Bush was anywhere near presidential material. But shit like this has made him far worse in the position than he otherwise would have been. The crushing flood of treachery sent against him from the beginning has made his survival this long a thing of wonder and amazement. From the Democrats, from the UN and EU, from Hollywood and the media, even from within his own administration. From all sides! No Honeymoon whatsoever. Look at the Clinton administration. That was ALL honeymoon. From the start he was accused of stealing the election, up to today, where he's apparently become so dizzy from it that he failed to notice the immigration issue was losing him what little support was left on his own side. He's been slowly brainwashed into thinking that catering to the media and his global and national foes in power is actually in his best interests, even as they feed the fire and turn his spit.

How could any leader be expected to put up with shit like the Plame Game?

245 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:54:56pm

re: #237 Eowyn2

re: #225 Ginn

I think we can blame Plame & Wilson for keeping it going and going and going. Its a pink bunny case. If they can get it into a superior court (like the 9th circuit) they can do some damage to reputations.

If a lie is repeated over and over and over, it becomes the truth.

This is true. What is that saying.. By the time a lie goes around the world truth doesn't have it's pants on?

/lol

246 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:55:33pm

re: #242 Ginn

'Sup, Ginn?

247 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:55:40pm
Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

I want to be played by Colin Farrel.

248 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:55:48pm

OT
from LGFWatch
Charles Johnson, Fashion Fascist
You gotta check out the green football undies on that blog!
lol!

249 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:56:39pm

Zuckerlilly,

Done. In taking a look at the Jew hater website, I don't know if I have ever seen a more pitiful looking old man. What's a certified librarian? There's a certification test for the Dewey Decimal System, or something?

I guess if you're certified, that means you're a real professional! I think I'll add that to my resume.

Interviewer: Natalie, I see that you are a certified librarian?

Natalie: Yes, I consider myself an professional filer and a certified expert of the Dewey Decimal System!

Interviewer: YOU'RE HIRED! Our rocket science lab and super conductor thermonuclear facility will be child's play compared to your previous experience but you will know you are appreciated...

250 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:57:04pm

re: #243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

It's a good thing.

251 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:57:09pm

re: #241 MandyManners

re: #226 david e


I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

Don't besmirch nipples!



MANDY... you didn't say that! 0-:

252 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:57:21pm

re: #244 Salem

You know, I never thought Bush was anywhere near presidential material. But shit like this has made him far worse in the position than he otherwise would have been. The crushing flood of treachery sent against him from the beginning has made his survival this long a thing of wonder and amazement. From the Democrats, from the UN and EU, from Hollywood and the media, even from within his own administration. From all sides! No Honeymoon whatsoever. Look at the Clinton administration. That was ALL honeymoon. From the start he was accused of stealing the election, up to today, where he's apparently become so dizzy from it that he failed to notice the immigration issue was losing him what little support was left on his own side. He's been slowly brainwashed into thinking that catering to the media and his global and national foes in power is actually in his best interests, even as they feed the fire and turn his spit.

How could any leader be expected to put up with shit like the Plame Game?

Reads Salem's post. Falls out of chair in shock.

253 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:57:42pm

...

254 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:57:54pm

re: #244 Salem


I need to also find this current book about how the CIA has been leaking throughout the Bush years purposely undermining him. And this has all been orchestrated by former high officers retired from the CIA and by the current CIA officers beholden to this group of former CIA people.

Bush definitely has had very little support from the rest of the institutional administration.

255 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:58:05pm

#243 BDVM:

Beer Drinking Victory Monkey will be played by Matthew Perry

I can see the resemblance.

Actually I've been told that my Hollywood beautified-up counterpart would be Keanu Reeves, but I think they're way off. My wife gets Penelope Cruz, hands down.

256 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:58:22pm

re: #246 MandyManners

Just a gettin a little of my LGF fix in today. How bout yourself?

257 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:58:57pm

Black George Bush will be played by Ben Affleck.

258 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:59:09pm

re: #251 Dustoff-507

re: #241 MandyManners


re: #226 david e

I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

Don't besmirch nipples!


MANDY... you didn't say that! 0-:

Yep. I sure did.

And, it's not even Friday.

259 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:59:12pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader


Bill Murray to portray me. I've been told I look like him. Makes me feel sorry for ol' Bill.

260 David Simon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:59:20pm

re: #235 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #227 Occasional Reader

LOL,

The part of the Nodrog will be played by Steve Buscemi

Or Gilbert Gottfried.

261 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:59:55pm

re: #224 MandyManners

re: #211 Occasional Reader

Her headlights are on "bright."


Her headlights are on "bright" high beam. (Well that's the way I've always heard it spoken.)

262 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 1:59:57pm

re: #170 easy

Oh, how I wish I was! Are you really surprised, considering the crap Hollywood puts out? And since the super L3 cretins rule? It will be a pure hit job. How come MM didn't think of making it a mockumentary?

263 formercorpsman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:16pm
243 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey 7/19/2007 1:54:02 pm PDT reply quote

re: #200 Occasional Reader

Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

Beer Drinking Victory Monkey will be played by Matthew Perry (from Friends). I've been told I look like him - even once had someone on the train ask me if I was him. I don't know if that's a good thing or not.

Hey, did you ever see that episode where everyone thought Chandler was gay?

264 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:26pm

re: #244 Salem

that's because most of the criticism against him turns out to be lies or irrelevant. IMO, his biggest failure is Katrina.

265 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:26pm

re: #255 Occasional Reader

#243 BDVM:

Beer Drinking Victory Monkey will be played by Matthew Perry

I can see the resemblance.

Actually I've been told that my Hollywood beautified-up counterpart would be Keanu Reeves, but I think they're way off. My wife gets Penelope Cruz, hands down.

LOL. Good night, all.

266 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:27pm

The LLL is smelling turd blossoms.

U.S. District Judge John D. Bates is a Bush II appointee, and therefore prone to the abuse of his position (and the law) in order to assist his "asshole buddies" (an old Texas expression). OnDec. 9, 2002, for instance, he ruled that Congress lacked the standing to sue Cheneyover access to the records of the latter's energy task force. And in August of 2006,Bates ruled very helpfully that it was okay for the president to sign a bill that had notbeen passed by Congress. (See [Link: www.buzzflash.com...] if youthink I'm kidding.)

267 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:40pm

re: #256 Ginn

re: #246 MandyManners

Just a gettin a little of my LGF fix in today. How bout yourself?

I'm barely hanging on to my last nerve. My mom took The Kid to Wally World and supplemented his cash to buy a Naruto sword. It has sound effects.

268 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:45pm

re: #258 MandyManners

re: #251 Dustoff-507


re: #241 MandyManners

re: #226 david e

I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

Don't besmirch nipples!


MANDY... you didn't say that! 0-:

Yep. I sure did.

And, it's not even Friday.

LOL and where is your son right now?

269 Quintus_Arius  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:46pm
Valerie Plame had been off of the "active" covert roster for YEARS. Stating that she was (at one time) a covert agent is not a crime as long as it is not within 2 (?) years of her covert service. THAT is why there was no crime. It doesn't matter who said what, as long as the when was post 2 years of covert service.

I believe she was not covert for 6 years, riding a desk at Langley. Everyone knew she was a CIA employee. The whole thing was a travesty. I haven't paid much attention to Novak since.

I still believe Libby will be exonerated or a mistrial declared.

270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:49pm

re: #260 David Simon

No, Gilbert gets to play Kos

271 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:55pm

re: #248 NoSubmission

OT
from LGFWatch
Charles Johnson, Fashion Fascist
You gotta check out the green football undies on that blog!
lol!

Ah Submission... from your link:

Legalize said...
At least 335 posts ABOUT A SCARF. There is something pathetic going on at LGF.

And yet you can't seem to stay away, Legalize... LGF Watch...

Why is that?

272 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:00:55pm
273 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:01:04pm

re: #258 MandyManners


So you're sober ;)

274 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:01:25pm

re: #261 HDrepub

That sounds better.

Man, you could bounce a quarter off those things.

275 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:01:32pm

#247 Dirk Diggler:


I want to be played by Colin Farrel.

Shouldn't Marky Mark be the more obvious choice?

For Charles, I'm thinking... hmm, maybe John Voight, but they'd have to get creative with the makeup to knock a bunch of years off him.

276 windybon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:01:43pm

re: #200 Occasional Reader

Okay, if Kate Beckinsale is going to play Judith Miller in the Plamegate movie, and Vera Farmiga is playing Plame, then I demand that in any upcoming LGF: All The Lizardoid's Men blockbuster, the part of Occasional Reader by played by, I dunno, maybe Daniel Craig. I mean, he's my spit n' image, by Hollywood standards at least.

OR, why didn't you link to that Craig person? (I've never heard of any of them.)

277 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:02:14pm

re: #198 Eowyn2

Alright, thanks. Got it, and responded. :)

278 Kostya Lotz  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:02:34pm

re: #34 Ringo the Gringo

This is going to drie the Nutroots insane

Yes, it is.

Of course they already were insane to begin with.

Here too.

AND DANGEROUS...
(from thinkprogress)

Where the hell are the Oswalds of the world when you really need them?

I guess it is going to be up to the American People to march by the MILLIONS down to 1600 Pensylvania Ave. and take our country back by force?

I will grab my gun when this happens and GLADLY be part of the country that cares enough to do this......

Don’t worry your little hearts out trolls......... I will even give my life to ensure that you get your freedom and country back to what the founding fathers created....


Comment by RemoveBush — July 19, 2007 @ 3:09 pm

Good thing we don't enforce sedition laws in this country...
Shoes for Thought, Chucko.

279 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:02:49pm

re: #253 Silhouette

Hiding behind the shade?

280 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:03:27pm

re: #257 Dirk Diggler

Black George Bush will be played by Ben Affleck.

Ed Begley, Jr. isn't available?

281 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:03:28pm

re: #266 LC LaWedgie

I think you read that wrong...

The LLL is smelling turd^s blossoms.

282 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:03:28pm

re: #268 Dustoff-507

Jumping around downstairs, fighting imaginary enemies with his sword.

283 NoSubmission  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:03:50pm

re: #271 Ginn
They are truly obsessed!

284 Charles  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:03:53pm

Testing...

285 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:09pm

(no offense, BGB, I was just trying to think of the most quintessentially white actor I could imagine)

286 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:18pm
287 Outrider  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:19pm

Like Col North, Libby was nailed on obscure charges in the Democrats efforts to nail a Republican administration on nebulous and invalid charges.
In the meantime, the perpetuaters of this particular hoax walk and the "charges" will continue to rear up and become yet another bogus mantra such as "The Stolen Election", "Blood for Oil", etc...
Perhaps the judge should have let the trial proceed merely so the truth would have been exposed and Democrat hypocrisy revealed yet again.

288 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:27pm

re: #284 Charles

Damn, pop quiz

289 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:38pm

re: #273 david e

Unfortunately....

290 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:04:56pm
Plame’s attorneys had said the lawsuit would be an uphill battle.

...which is legal euphemism for "has no merit whatsoever."

291 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:29pm

re: #281 goodbye_natalie

"Turd Blossom" is KRove's nickname. heh

Whatever they're smelling, it ain't success.

292 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:37pm

#276 windybon:

OR, why didn't you link to that Craig person?

Okay. Anyone who's met me will see the startling resemblance instantly!

293 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:42pm
294 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:44pm

Hey, I'll play myself. Why give Clooney another job?...

295 David Simon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:44pm

re: #270 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #260 David Simon

No, Gilbert gets to play Kos

Yeah, you're right. How about Harvey Fierstein for Sully? Or is Harvey too butch for the role?

296 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:05:52pm

Well, I guess there aren't any "attorneys" here who could answer my question about why the case was dismissed on "jurisdictional" grounds.. and what that means.

Charles!

Why are you always testing us?

297 Abu Al-Poopypants  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:06:33pm

Forget yellowcake, there are going to be a lot of people making browncake in their hemp undies over this one.

Suck it, libs.

298 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:06:35pm

re: #194 myspamhere

re: #185 MandyManners


re: #178 myspamhere

As you have seen from my comments, I am far right on most issues, but in this case, an active CIA agent's identity. This is a crime, and no one has been charged with this crime.
First Novac should be charged because he is the one who made the name public.

Was she an active agent at that time or had she been one within the statutory time?

I am not sure of that, in all honesty. but my understanding is that she was a field agent, and to disclose that means that all of the countries she visited knows they had an active CIA agent at the time, and this is a danger to the US


I have heard Plame was not under cover for years and any time protection had passed.

She and wilson ran a covert op against POTUS and lied about it. The CIA is a rogue clintonista agency which no one seems to be able to fix.

299 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:06:37pm

re: #284 Charles

I give you an A++ ..... :)

300 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:06:42pm
301 david e  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:00pm

I hate pop quizzes

302 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:06pm

Speaking of boobs.

303 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:08pm

re: #292 Occasional Reader

#276 windybon:


OR, why didn't you link to that Craig person?

Okay. Anyone who's met me will see the startling resemblance instantly!


OOOOOOOOO-brother.

This thread is getting way out of hand.. thanks OR. (-:

304 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:23pm
305 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:23pm

re: #300 taxfreekiller

no case no jusrisiction

Thank you, tfk!

306 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:07:49pm

re: #274 MandyManners

Being a sometimes frequenter of the biker society, I consider myself somewhat of an expert on "high beamness".

307 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:08:08pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Speaking of Leftist liars, Kerry is a busy bee. His latest lies, or rather a misstatement, or gaffe, or lapse, or failed joke, depending on how Kerry will seek to clarify it going forward:

Sen. John Kerry said during a C-Span appearance that fears of a bloodbath after the US withdrawal from Vietnam never materialized. He says he’s met survivors of the “reeducation camps” who are thriving in modern Vietnam. An award-winning investigation by the Orange County Register concludes that at least 165,000 people perished in the camps.

Then throw in a couple million more killed in Laos and Cambodia and you get the picture. Just hit the ignore button....

I saw that over a Freep earlier. Geez, 'hawk, someone needs to be kind to this stumblebum and explain to him he's not relevant. I think he's delusional enough to believe that the Dummocrats will come begging him to run for President in 2008 when we've tired of the current crop of candidates surrender monkeys.

And about Plame - Ya gotta love those 12(b)(6) motions, doncha?

308 Eowyn2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:08:21pm

re: #248 NoSubmission

I thought it said "Love Not Glowing Green Balls" but I found it it means Love not Hate:)

309 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:08:33pm

re: #302 easy

LOL. I thought that read "Out of my wife please..."

310 NYexpat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:08:48pm

OT but: ROP watch:Red Mosque

311 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:27pm
312 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:34pm

re: #307 Carolina Girl

Kerry is such a jerk...

313 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:46pm

Bah. Can't find it. Darn. It will be time to go home, soon.

314 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:46pm

OT -

The Thai guy with the RoP surname arrested in Washington state in the kidnapping and murder of a child? He may be a suspect the 1996 murder of Amber Hagerman (the Amber for whom the Amber Alert is named).

Arlington PD investigate tip in Amber Hagerman case

315 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:48pm

re: #291 LC LaWedgie

re: #281 goodbye_natalie

"Turd Blossom" is KRove's nickname. heh

Whatever they're smelling, it ain't success.

What they are smelling is their upper lips, a result of perverted sexual activity no doubt.

316 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:09:50pm

I wonder if cia is clandestinely working for the state dept.

317 BigDana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:11:18pm

So now the beauteous Valerie can go back under the covers...

/isn't that what her "undercover" status was all about?

318 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:11:20pm

re: #296 Ginn

In my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.

319 windybon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:11:24pm

re: #292 Occasional Reader

320 Dustoff-507  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:11:50pm

re: #314 Ward Cleaver


Ward.

From what I've heard. It just keeps getting worse. Why this guy was still in the US is way beyond me. )-:

321 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:11:53pm

these people are white trash

322 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:12:09pm

re: #306 HDrepub

LOL!

Been to Frog Jump lately?

323 MeanMrMustard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:12:37pm

re: #296 Ginn

Link to the ruling

not an atty but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

The "jurisdictional" grounds:

. . the Court finds that, under controlling Supreme Court precedent, special factors — particularly the remedial scheme established by Congress in the Privacy Act — counsel against the recognition of an implied damages remedy for plaintiffs’ constitutional claims. The Court also finds that it lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over the tort claim because plaintiffs have not exhausted their administrative remedies under the Federal Tort Claims Act, which is the proper, and exclusive, avenue for relief on such a claim.
324 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:12:46pm
325 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:12:57pm

sorry, they're less than white trash. (apologies to my relatives and friends)

326 FlyingTigress  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:13:53pm

re: #36 wvobiwan

re: #14 eastvillageinfidel


Crazy was two exits back .

Excellent! Correct, "Crazy" was just past the on ramp for the Ignoramus Bypass.

And no Magellan/TomTom/Garmin GPS unit for them!

327 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:09pm

Nam Grunt can be played by only one man: R. Lee Ermey.

328 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:10pm

re: #322 MandyManners

Nah, and there was no Skullbone this spring either. Supposed to be one in October. Should be "high beam" weather hehe.

329 mahatma coat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:45pm

havent a clue what movie you're talking about Rowan Atkinson always plays me

330 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:49pm

re: #298 MacGregor

Yes, Plame was a paper-pusher at Langley, and her covert days had long passed. And anyway, it was apparently common knowledge on the Beltway cocktail party circuit that she worked at the CIA.

331 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:50pm

re: #318 MandyManners

re: #296 Ginn

In my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.

Thanks Mandy...

Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

332 g3n3r1c  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:14:53pm

Looks like Israel will be attacked soon--Ahmadinejad, Nasrallah meet in Damacus today

hmadinejad, Nasrallah meet in Damascus

Iranian leader meets Hizbullah secretary-general during Syria visit. In meeting with President Assad, he says Iran and Syria 'are united against the enemies of both countries.' Ahmadinejad also set to meet with leaders of terror organizations residing in Damascus

Dudi Cohen
Latest Update: 07.19.07, 21:18 / Israel News

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad met with Hizbullah Secretary-General Hassan Nasrallah in Damascus on Thursday evening, according to the official Iranian news agency IRNA.

Ahmadinejad said during the meeting that "the Lebanese nation can thwart any plot through unity, solidarity and resistance."


Assad Signals:
'New country mediating between Syria, Israel' / Roee Nahmias
In parliament speech following his reelection, Syrian president says, 'Israelis must remember that the cost of peace is lower than all wars. But if they are only sending messengers to us, this is not serious. They must provide us with guarantees that all of the Golan will be returned'
Full story

He congratulated Nasrallah for the anniversary of Hizbullah's "victory" in the Second Lebanon War, saying that "thanks to the victory, while the Zionist regime is becoming weaker every day, Lebanon is enjoying internal serenity."

333 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:15:20pm

re: #323 MeanMrMustard

And there you have it.

334 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:15:49pm

re: #314 Ward Cleaver

OT -

The Thai guy with the RoP surname arrested in Washington state in the kidnapping and murder of a child? He may be a suspect the 1996 murder of Amber Hagerman (the Amber for whom the Amber Alert is named).

Arlington PD investigate tip in Amber Hagerman case

Wouldn't that be something...

335 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:16:01pm
336 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:16:19pm
337 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:16:22pm

re: #315 HDrepub

From the article:

(See [Link: [Link: www.buzzflash.com...]...] if youthink I'm kidding.)

It's a busted link.

(Now that's funny right there.)

338 MeanMrMustard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:16:32pm

re: #323 MeanMrMustard

Try again - A working link to the court ruling

[Link: ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov...]

(my link function not working too well)

339 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:17:01pm

re: #328 HDrepub

re: #322 MandyManners

Nah, and there was no Skullbone this spring either. Supposed to be one in October. Should be "high beam" weather hehe.

Either that or a tornado.

340 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:17:30pm

re: #336 Occasional Reader

And Jerry Mathers as the (Ward) Cleaver

341 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:17:33pm

re: #331 Ginn

re: #318 MandyManners


re: #296 Ginn

In my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.


Thanks Mandy...

Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

If they want to try. That's the $64,000 question.

342 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:17:41pm

#331 Ginn:

Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

That last sentence of Mustard's quote in #323 would indicate "no"... at least, not yet.

343 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:17:49pm

re: #331 Ginn

re: #318 MandyManners


re: #296 Ginn

In my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.


Thanks Mandy...

Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

Maybe. From what I read, the court did not toss it based on the merits.

344 windybon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:18:01pm

re: #319 windybon


Don't know where my last post went.

OR, even though I've never met you, I've always pictured you as looking like that?

345 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:18:05pm

re: #238 NY Nana

New Jersey,in Carteret,a stones throw (literally)across the Aurther Kill.

346 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:18:08pm

re: #323 MeanMrMustard

re: #296 Ginn

Link to the ruling

not an atty but I did stay in a Holiday Inn Express last night.

The "jurisdictional" grounds:

. . the Court finds that, under controlling Supreme Court precedent, special factors — particularly the remedial scheme established by Congress in the Privacy Act — counsel against the recognition of an implied damages remedy for plaintiffs’ constitutional claims. The Court also finds that it lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over the tort claim because plaintiffs have not exhausted their administrative remedies under the Federal Tort Claims Act, which is the proper, and exclusive, avenue for relief on such a claim.

Mr Mustard! Thank you!

/I knew you weren't that mean..
:D

347 Revka  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:18:14pm

re: #330 Ward Cleaver
And this, after Libby's life is ruined. Someone ought to put the Wilson's in jail for their trumped up political pursuit of the Bush admin.. What they did was flat out wrong.

348 Occasional Reader  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:19:05pm

#344 windybon:

OR, even though I've never met you, I've always pictured you as looking like that?

Then my Rovian Mind Control Machine is doing its job.

350 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:19:43pm

re: #330 Ward Cleaver

re: #298 MacGregor

Yes, Plame was a paper-pusher at Langley, and her covert days had long passed. And anyway, it was apparently common knowledge on the Beltway cocktail party circuit that she worked at the CIA.

Armitage "leaked" the name anyway. No laws broken. 'Cept the conservative sent to jail for not remembering a moment in time.

When will Plame, Wilson be charged for treason?

351 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:20:19pm

re: #314 Ward Cleaver

I hope he will found guilty and be executed. Sadly, it can only be once.

re: #320 Dustoff-507

Excellent question that is asked again and again and again...this might explain the idiocy that still prevails:

In reversal, feds agree to accept skilled workers' green card applications.

352 Steffan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:20:42pm

re: #312 Dustoff-507

re: #307 Carolina Girl

Kerry is such a jerk...

The best photo I've ever seen of him was of him moping in the background while the new Congressional leadership was doing the photo-op parade.

That's the true proof of his being a jerk.... they actually had to tell him in as many words to butt out of their photo op. Clueless doesn't begin to describe him.

353 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:20:51pm

re: #347 Revka

Treasonous.

354 yochanan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:21:16pm

re: #332 g3n3r1c


YES THIS IS IMPORTANT AND ISRAEL AND AMERICA NEED STRONG LEADERSHIP

Nidfok otchah inshallah

355 Hard Right  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:21:49pm

re: #142 MandyManners

re: #135 HDrepub

I'll just say this: it involves the words "suck" and "what."

I think I just heard Charles keel over!

356 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:21:49pm

Well, wait a minute. It isn't really as simple as re-filing, is it? Won't they basically have to rebuild the case. What happens with Libby?

357 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:22:03pm

cia not working for us anymore.

358 tfc3rid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:22:15pm

But this quote from Ahmadinejad is NOT in the ynet posting...

We hope that the hot weather of this summer will coincide with similar victories for the region's peoples, and with consequent defeat for the region's enemies," Ahmadinejad added, in an apparent reference to Israel

359 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:22:23pm

re: #272 taxfreekiller

then do it again so they know the first one was no accident...

360 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:22:56pm

re: #327 Dirk Diggler

'Nam is much better looking, seriously...

361 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:23:04pm

re: #338 MeanMrMustard

Just logged on. Long time no hear! How ya doin'?

362 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:23:35pm

re: #349 POLAR WIND

Blech.

363 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:24:05pm

The nature of Fitzgerald's case means that it'll be past it's expiration date by the time the case is re-filed, regardless of the conditions.

364 cadetwithchips2  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:24:26pm

remember that chick in high school who wore low-cut shirts and always threw an attitude when she caught you looking? that about sums up the wilsons

365 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:25:47pm

re: #350 MacGregor

re: #330 Ward Cleaver

re: #298 MacGregor

Yes, Plame was a paper-pusher at Langley, and her covert days had long passed. And anyway, it was apparently common knowledge on the Beltway cocktail party circuit that she worked at the CIA.

Armitage "leaked" the name anyway. No laws broken. 'Cept the conservative sent to jail for not remembering a moment in time.

When will Plame, Wilson be charged for treason?

MacGregor... don't hold your breath.

Treason was specifically defined in the United States Constitution. There have only been 40 federal prosecutions for treason and even fewer convictions.

People generally thought of as traitors in the United States, such as Jonathan Pollard, the Walker Family, Robert Soblen, and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, were not prosecuted for treason, but rather for espionage. John Walker Lindh, an American citizen who fought with the Taliban against the U.S.-supported Northern Alliance, was convicted of conspiracy to murder U.S. nationals rather than treason.

366 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:27:11pm
367 twh  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:27:12pm
Armitage and Rove were the sources for that article

Quoted directly from that article.

Now, as I understand it Armitage was the source of the leak.
He was anti-war.
How did Roves' name come in there?

368 g3n3r1c  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:28:03pm
369 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:28:44pm

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #331 Ginn

re: #318 MandyManners


re: #296 GinnIn my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.


Thanks Mandy...Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

Maybe. From what I read, the court did not toss it based on the merits.

In my opinion the judge's ruling said "The court doesn't have jurisdiction until you have exhausted all administrative avenues of redress. When you have done that then a court can hear your case, maybe. In other words come back to see me in about five years when you have gone through all the red tape instead of taking a shortcut to my court. *gavel down* Court is adjourned.

I l

370 Ben Hur  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:29:04pm

[Link: www.kosher.com...]

Enjoy.

BBL

371 dadofseven  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:29:22pm

Maybe it's just me, but every time I hear or read something about the Plame non-issue, the phrase "much ado about nothing" echoes through my head.

372 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:31:29pm

re: #189 cpuller

Speaking of Vietnam, has anyone visited the Midway in SD and heard some of the stories of the evacuation of Saigon?

Really eye-opening. They said they had a prop plane with an SV Major and his family land on the carrier and a bunch of our guys stood out on the deck to stop it since he wasn't set up for carrier landings.

When you watch the footage of the Fall of Saigon, or talk to a few V Vets and get their stories it breaks your heart...my own family fled Communism but from Europe, and the Soviets held death warrants on my grandparents until the day it collapsed. I can't imagine what some of the vets, and the Vietnamese endured...

Imagine if you would, leaving everything you had at your house knowing that a military force is closing in on your homestead...you pack your small belongings and flee toward the city, encountering thousands on foot fleeing with you. Once your in the city you rest, but then you are told of your impending doom and see the rising smoke from the suburbs... As you take to the streets they fill up, making all vehicular traffic impossible...you take a few possessions and run with the crowd trying to flee a panic stricken city, where the streets are jammed shut with human and vehicle traffic. Refugees are running in every direction, panic written on each face, children screaming and crying in mothers arms... sleeper teams of VC are off attacking government installations and executing officials (police, ARVAN, city officials). In the distance you hear automatic rifle fire, and you see American choppers circling, landing, and taking off at what seems to be at random. Fire rampages through a shop that was hit by an artillery shell and the smoke burns your eyes...you sprint down the street hoping your not hit by another shell, all your possessions left behind dropped in your mad panic to survive...Running with the fear of G_D in you, hoping that you can make it out before the NVA makes it in...people are panicked as rumors of this street and that street are closed due to VC activity...as you run further your lungs ache for breath and you slow to stop, just to see where you are...nearby in an alley the bodies of people lay heaped upon the ground, bleeding and broken...the death squad that did the damage is on the roof of a small cafe, taking shots at a low flying helicopter that is hovering a few blocks away...

Sounds like hell...

When I see the footage of people desperately grabbing on to skids, or hear the tear choked stories of pilots that knew they were leaving people to their death it makes me angry. But to the moonbats it was a unjustified war, and all their rhetoric about helping the Vietnamese people by getting the murderous Americans out of there was just that...rhetoric. They turned a blind eye as thousands (and eventually millions) screamed for mercy...as their death rattles faded out, the millions of hippies that "cared" for the people turned to one another and started talking about how nice the weather was...

South Vietnam had problems yes, but we let an entire country slide into oblivion. And the NVA made sure that people would pay the ultimate price for ever questioning them.

/ Makes me mad...sorry didn't mean to bring out the blues...just wanted to share a thought...

373 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:31:55pm
374 MeanMrMustard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:32:35pm

re: #361 Cartman


Hey Cartman, SOSO, been working too much. I haven't been posting much lately, can't read all the comments either, too many.

375 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:32:44pm

I still maintain that Plame was never a "covert" agent. Ever.

376 DJSchreffler  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:32:59pm

twh@#367:

As I understand it one of the reporters asked Rove about Plame's identity and if she was covert, and his response (essentially, "I can't talk about CIA employees) was taken as confirmation. But Armitage is the one who did this and who should be taking the blame, felony convictions, fines, and jail time.....unless no crime was committed (in which case the investigation should have halted quickly).

377 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:33:59pm

re: #374 MeanMrMustard

Good to see you drop by, MMM!

378 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:34:25pm

re: #367 twhI read it that the article written by Novak contained info he got from Armitage and info he got from Rove.

But the specific info about Plame, "outting" her, he got from Armitage only.

The ambiguity of that statement, IMHO, is intentional. While technically true, the way it is stated raises confusion exactly like you had.

It is meant to leave the impression Rove outted her also.

379 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:34:27pm

re: #369 HDrepub

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #331 Ginn
re: #318 MandyManners

re: #296 GinnIn my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.


Thanks Mandy...Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

Maybe. From what I read, the court did not toss it based on the merits.
In my opinion the judge's ruling said "The court doesn't have jurisdiction until you have exhausted all administrative avenues of redress. When you have done that then a court can hear your case, maybe. In other words come back to see me in about five years when you have gone through all the red tape instead of taking a shortcut to my court. *gavel down* Court is adjourned.

I l

Cool!

380 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:35:35pm

re: #343 MandyManners

re: #331 Ginn


re: #318 MandyManners

re: #296 Ginn
In my limited experience, I think it means that the court did not have the power to hear the case.

Thanks Mandy...
Does this mean Plame can refile in the appropriate jurisdiction?

Maybe. From what I read, the court did not toss it based on the merits.

They're probably waiting for another cash infusion from George Soros.

381 Carolina Girl  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:35:42pm

re: #352 Steffan

re: #312 Dustoff-507


re: #307 Carolina Girl

Kerry is such a jerk...


The best photo I've ever seen of him was of him moping in the background while the new Congressional leadership was doing the photo-op parade.

That's the true proof of his being a jerk.... they actually had to tell him in as many words to butt out of their photo op. Clueless doesn't begin to describe him.

And the "hey! let me play dodgeball too!" expression. Now he's all over the airwaves, looking and acting like the empty (Armani) suit he really is.

Back on topic, it will be interesting to see if Plame avails herself the administrative remedies - my guess is ....nope.

382 Killian Bundy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:36:18pm

Show neither a hit nor a drag

Like marijuana, "Reefer Madness: The Musical" produces a temporary buzz that's fun while it lasts. Yet the musical is essentially a one-toke experience, two acts that draw on the same stoner material.

/some things are better left undone

383 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:38:56pm

re: #365 Ginn

Thanks. What would/should the charges be for running a covert op against the government?

re: #373 taxfreekiller
wtf is right.

384 Dom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:39:03pm

OT From the BBC:

'I hoped to be a glorious martyr'

A woman who was inside Islamabad's Red Mosque when it was stormed by Pakistani troops on 10 July has given the BBC one of the first accounts of the final hours of the siege. Unwilling to be named, the survivor said she was not held hostage by militants inside.

More than 100 people died in the army operation - she was one of only 30 women to walk out alive after soldiers went in. Following are excerpts from the interview with Rafia Riaz of the BBC's Urdu service.

(NB note the BBC, which gives a decent enough headline, begins by describing her as a survivor and says the "militants" did not hold her hostage, as if this is a positive. But then see what she has to say:)

I was not in contact with my family. The last time I contacted them, I told them that the army would not start an operation.

They asked me to come back home, but I said that I would never come back as I wished to be martyred. My brother said that he would force me to return, but I told him that he could be beaten up if he came near the seminary...

A girl who came with us was taken home forcibly. She was crying and told the teacher that she didn't want to go back. The teacher asked her to go back with her parents.

We felt sorry for her as we came here with the passion of jihad [holy war] and to preach Islam, and now because there was a problem the girls had gone back. We did not appreciate the parents behaviour. (ie the girls should have been martyred)

The teacher said that no one was being stopped from going home, and she asked parents to go and find their children to take them home. Very few girls left because they were afraid - those who left were either minors or they were forced to leave by their parents...

We were shocked that they cut off the electricity and also cut off the water and gas supply. What could we do? We were only praying to God to show them the right path.
...
We wanted to carry out suicide attacks. We didn't have enough ammunition to fight face to face. We had a small number of arms with which our mujahideen brothers were fighting.

We asked the teacher to provide us with arms necessary for suicide attacks. She said that we didn't have sufficient explosives.

We had been told by our teacher that they had put explosives in the building and that we shouldn't die in this manner, but that we should come outside to face the bullets or even surrender. It was better to come out rather than die under the debris...

We came outside with our hands raised and saw that the doors were closed and they were on the roof. There was no way to leave. We told them that we had surrendered and they should not shoot at us. A policeman showed us the way out and finally, we were taken outside...

They took us to another room and gave us food. We were crying a lot because Korans were burning inside the Red Mosque which was on fire.
...
Now they've attacked the Red Mosque and Jamia Hafsa [the seminary attached to it], I hope the whole country will have Red Mosques. I will work for jihad, and open a madrassa and train people for jihad.

And the BBC broadcast this interview on its Urdu service.

385 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:39:10pm

What stoner doesn't enjoy going to musicals?

386 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:40:39pm

re: #372 Capt_Faust

You have a way with words. I got tense just reading that.

387 Shanimal1918  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:40:51pm

This must really be a devastating blow to the Kos-tards! It's 17:40 here and they still haven't posted anything on this news. I was hoping for some entertainment when the tards start flinging feces over this one!

388 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:41:05pm

Imagine the sales at the concession stand.

389 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:41:34pm

re: #384 Dom

Dom!

390 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:42:05pm

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

391 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:42:24pm

re: #383 MacGregor

re: #365 Ginn

Thanks. What would/should the charges be for running a covert op against the government?

Sadly it's not up to me. And no one in the government seems to want to investigate Plame or her hubby, Wilson.

Why is that?

392 Sihlus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:42:46pm
This is going to drive the Nutroots insane. (It’s a short drive.)

It's a 4-inch putt.

393 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:44:00pm

re: #390 North95

SHE WASN'T A COVERT AGENT!

394 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:44:07pm

re: #382 Killian Bundy

Was he stoned when he saw it?

395 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:44:51pm

re: #384 Dom

384 Dom

Thanks Dom! What's up over there in the UK lately? You're actually getting some real news..

396 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:45:06pm

re: #392 Sihlus

there was a link earlier in the thread,it was full of gnashing of teeth ,rending of garments...and cries of the camps are next!the camps are next!

397 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:45:27pm

She was a covert agent in a child's-game-of-hide-and-seek sort of way.

398 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:45:36pm

re: #391 Ginn

Perhaps the cia has too much power? Ideologies match state dept, EU socialists, and MSM?

Damn good question.

399 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:46:32pm

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

Nice try, troll. Plame wasn't a covert agent, and she was outed by the gossipy Armitage at State, who's not exactly a Bushbot; not by anybody at the White House.

400 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:46:35pm

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

I'll go you one further. If this Republican administration had outed a covert CIA agent, we'd be upset.

But that isn't what happened.

401 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:46:47pm

KOS is really having a slow day today. Their last 5 headlines/complaints are, in a nutshell:
Pentagon refuses to Tell Al-Qaeda what we're going to do next in Iraq
Open Thread, i.e. a whole lot of crying and whining
Diane Sawyer is not a robot incapable of typos
Katrina
and a story about education money that's so out of the blue that the KOS summary of the story ends in telling the KosKids how to vote because they know no one there can think for themselves

402 Salem  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:46:52pm

You know what's better than going to a musical? Going to a musical STONED! (movie reference)

403 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:47:11pm

re: #372 Capt_Faust

US coalition mulls fate of Iraqi helpers

Others don't seem to care much; or worse, they gloat, as the despicable NBC media-pig Garrick Utley did over the fate of South Vietnamese "collarborators" left behind in 1975.
As a sensitive, caring liberal once told me about Hong Kong Chinese who didn't want to be handed over to the Reds: "That's their tough shit." The latter moonbat, incidentally, is a state department official in Thailand
these days.

404 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:47:21pm

re: #386 MandyManners

re: #372 Capt_Faust

You have a way with words. I got tense just reading that.

Thanks, I kind of zoned out for a min. on the thread, did some work here in the office, then quickly typed in a thought...too bad I missed the rest of the actor/ stuff...

I do appreciate it...I just can't imagine what stories will die with the aging boat people...and how college professors will scoff and say, it was never that bad...

405 g3n3r1c  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:47:45pm
406 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:48:20pm

re: #401 bosforus

oh, the dirty things you do for us.

407 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:49:10pm

re: #390 North95

Again, the real question(s) is during what time frame and in what theater was ever Plame in covert status?

Covert types generally don't flaunt their job title and agency around, and use it to score their washed-up significant others mercy f^cks jobs.

408 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:49:35pm

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other
foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent,
you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

You're missing the whole point. No crime was committed here, Ms. Plame/Wilson was not a covert agent. Fitzgerald knew this and only got a perjury rap on Libby for all his time spent. What part of that do you not understand troll?

409 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:50:41pm

re: #406 Boondock St. Bender

you can't fight the current without gettin' in the river

410 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:51:10pm

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

Okay, after reading back through your past comments, I apologize for the troll remark.

411 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:51:39pm

re: #404 Capt_Faust

I wish their kids/grandkids would get them to talk about it on tape. Their memories need to be saved.

412 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:51:40pm

re: #400 Silhouette

re: #390 North95


I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North


I'll go you one further. If this Republican administration had outed a covert CIA agent, we'd be upset.

But that isn't what happened.

Not only that, they lied about Niger, creating the NYTimes grass roots "Bush Lied" movement to undermine the country.

413 g3n3r1c  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:52:11pm
414 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:52:12pm

re: #409 bosforus

I'd rather swim in the east river than that one.....(now i feel all buggy)

415 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:52:18pm

Anyone up for writing a wiki MediaMythBusters account on Plames' lapsed covert status complete with US Code cites and a timeline?

/like that page will remain intact

416 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:52:24pm

re: #405 g3n3r1c

Clinton spokesman Philippe Reines called Edelman's answer "at once outrageous and dangerous," and said the senator would respond to his boss, Defense Secretary Robert Gates.


I'm going to tell your mommy.

417 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:53:09pm
418 g3n3r1c  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:53:31pm

re: #416 bulwrk

How dare you tell a Clinton something they don't want to hear-

419 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:54:02pm

re: #414 Boondock St. Bender

great point. if i stay there too long my lgf armor starts to sizzle.

420 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:54:31pm

re: #375 Cartman

I agree.

421 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:55:00pm

re: #418 g3n3r1c

Yeah!don't you know that they're smarter than everyone else?!of course you don't!

422 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:55:18pm

re: #418 g3n3r1c

they is scary

423 Render  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:55:32pm

re: #390 North95

#390 Wrong.

The Clinton admin outed numerous real covert agents over an eight year period and nobody said a damn thing.

===

#129 One wonders how J F'n Kerry manages to explain The Killing Fields.

Until one remembers that Kerry still hasn't explained how he got all those medals, or released his DD180 like he promised us all he would do.

===

#143 Charles! You might wanna check into this one. It's already made it to the all news radio (WTOP) in DC this afternoon. complete with all the typical MSM/LLL talking points and lies.

===

WHO ARE
THESE GUYS?,
R

424 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:56:15pm
425 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:57:54pm

re: #405 g3n3r1c

What we have here is the ongoing struggle of the past two decades about what branch of government controls foreign policy. The Donks have been trying with the legislative branch when a Republican is in the White House since before Iran/Contra.

I'm just a dumb ol' country boy but in my opinion the Congress has no jurisdiction on when to withdraw/retreat/surrender troops, but only controls the purse strings. The LLLs are saying the Donks want a controlled and orderly withdrawal, but to me that is not in realm of Congress to decide. If Congress wants to stop the war, cut the money out. The Donks don't want to do that though, as they are enjoying switching Bush on the legs everyday for the next 17 months. Never mind they are playing with national security with their games.

426 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:58:12pm

heh, I wouldn't be surprised if the cia and the clintons are owned by china.

427 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:58:15pm

re: #419 bosforus

At least we have some fun,those characters are nothing but gloom/doom,idle threats,whining...Whoever said that "liberals have more fun "ain't ever visited that loony bin.

428 eschew_obfuscation  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:58:42pm
423 Render 7/19/2007 2:55:32 pm PDT reply quote

re: #390 North95

#390 Wrong.

The Clinton admin outed numerous real covert agents over an eight year period and nobody said a damn thing.

===

#129 One wonders how J F'n Kerry manages to explain The Killing Fields.
Until one remembers that Kerry still hasn't explained how he got all those medals, or released his DD180 like he promised us all he would do.

IIRC, the Killing Fields were in Cambodia where JFnK "never was".....remember? (wink, wink ;-)

429 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:58:58pm

So the Paris Hilton of the spy game is done with her current media campaign?
When is she going to show up on MTV's the Real World.

430 Sizzlack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:59:24pm

Im late to the discussion but I think its a bit pathetic that I was able to guess what their comments would on the DailyKos before I went to check....HE WAS A BUSH APPOINTEE!
Because last time I checked all judges appointed by Presidents owed them something and therefore disregarded law in favor of helping out the person who put them there? Give me a break. These people have such bad BDS that its ultimately irrelevant what happens, because in the end no matter what its always Bush's fault. I mean I knew back in '87 that GWBush was going to be responsible for global warming, cmon how could you not? It was soooo obvious blah blah blah

431 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:59:52pm

re: #417 buzzsawmonkey

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

a) Plame's position was not covert;

b) therefore, she could not be, or have been, "outed";

c) if she had been covert at one time, she was long past any holdover secrecy period;

d) her place of employment was an open secret in Washington, so any accusation of "outing" should be evaluated in light of such public knowledge;

e) if any "outing" can be said to have taken place, the person who actually did it (Armitage) got off scot-free;

f) accordingly, her suit against people who (i) did not "out" her, and (ii) were legally protected from her suit on grounds of having acted in performance of their duties, was entirely bogus, and rightfully dismissed.

I suspect that if an actual covert CIA agent had in fact been outed while engaging in covert activity, most of the people here--despite the deservedly low esteem in which the CIA is held--would be calling for the head of the person who did it, regardless of the party affiliation of the administration in power. But that did not happen here; the entire thing was a media firestorm over even less "nothing" than the Seinfeld show.

Buzz...

And yet... one man was sentenced to do time in prison. Not for "outing" her but for "lying" to the investigators.

Why didn't the Bush admin get tough with Plame or Wilson? Why have they been given carte blanche to run amok?

432 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 2:59:56pm

It looks as though the AP report saying that the case was tossed for jurisdictional reasons is wrong. The details are in comments in a t5hread at HotAir - but in fact the judge tossed the case for lack of merit. I think the last part of the Fox report has a better summation of the decision :

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

At HotAir down in the comments there is chapter and verse text from the main paragraphs of the judgment. Plame/Wilson argued that the defendants were acting outside their responsibilities. The judge states that they were acting WITHIN their responsibilities - it was their DUTY to rebut the public criticisms that Wilson had made.

[Link: hotair.com...]

(And a delicious part of this is that the judge cites a precedent involving a case CAIR had brought being tossed.)

433 SusanL  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:00:35pm

re: #126 Sabraguy

OT

Eternal vigilance is the price of freedom!


We live near the Portland Air Base (Nat'l Guard). When they fly over, I tell my grandkids that that is the sound of freedom.

SL

434 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:00:53pm

re: #423 Render

re: #390 North95

#390 Wrong.

The Clinton admin outed numerous real covert agents over an eight year period and nobody said a damn thing.

===

#129 One wonders how J F'n Kerry manages to explain The Killing Fields.

Until one remembers that Kerry still hasn't explained how he got all those medals, or released his DD180 like he promised us all he would do.

===

#143 Charles! You might wanna check into this one. It's already made it to the all news radio (WTOP) in DC this afternoon. complete with all the typical MSM/LLL talking points and lies.

===

WHO ARE
THESE GUYS?,
R

I wonder who these guys are too.

/hi Render

435 cpuller  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:00:57pm
I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

If an outing had actually occurred, this might be a good point. Unfortunately, it didn't. Unfortunately, it wasn't the administration that even told the name to a reporter. It was done by a known critic of the war.

Ask yourself this. Why was no one ever charged for an actual crime of leaking, if there was an "outting"? I think you'll realize where I'm going with this if you answer truthfully.

436 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:01:09pm

re: #432 JohninLondon

(And a delicious part of this is that the judge cites a precedent involving a case CAIR had brought being tossed.)

Icing.

Cake.

437 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:01:40pm

re: #403 Shiplord Kirel

re: #372 Capt_Faust

US coalition mulls fate of Iraqi helpers

Others don't seem to care much; or worse, they gloat, as the despicable NBC media-pig Garrick Utley did over the fate of South Vietnamese "collarborators" left behind in 1975.
As a sensitive, caring liberal once told me about Hong Kong Chinese who didn't want to be handed over to the Reds: "That's their tough shit." The latter moonbat, incidentally, is a state department official in Thailand
these days.

That is terrible...but no one wants to talk about it (Vietnam that is).

At least someone is trying to help the interpreters if the S*&t hits the fan...

/ Moonbats have no clue as to how their silence proves that they really DON'T give a Damn...

438 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:02:01pm

Breaking news

Work on Texas border wall to begin soon: Chertoff

Tissue paper futures soar!
Spanish as a second language classes fill with native borns trying to stay competive in new fangeled just invented 'global economy'* within US borders.

*Cain traded Able for some mutton, Able traded Cain for some potaoes, thus began the global econmy.

439 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:02:36pm
440 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:03:14pm

re: #372 Capt_Faust

An unbelievably awesome recounting. Thank you for that. Way too many have forgotten what the left did to destroy families and generations of people abroad. Not to mention their very own...

441 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:03:44pm

re: #390 North95

Asshole.

Here is it's LGF Info:

North95

Registered lizardoid since: Oct 29, 2006 at 5:38 pm

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 125

Show comments within last 7 days

Probably saved..to use after other nics were blocked.

Dinner time.

442 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:03:45pm

Sometimes it gets frustrating. 400 comments on how all the many things wrong with the case, including multiple posts that she wasn't outted, and then someone says, "Yeah, but an agent was outted. Aren't you upset?"

Arrrrrrgggghhh.

443 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:04:13pm

re: #411 MandyManners

re: #404 Capt_Faust

I wish their kids/grandkids would get them to talk about it on tape. Their memories need to be saved.

Yeah, but many never want to engage that part of their life again, like my parents and grandparents fleeing from the Soviets...

/ I'll BRB Lizard Army...the boss calls

444 bigzy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:04:36pm

Get the flying pig ready!

445 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:04:42pm

re: #427 Boondock St. Bender

yeah, it was pretty obvious that the left was going to take congress back in '06 and i thought that when they did a lot of them would shut up. boy was i wrong, they just got louder. i guess you have to be loud to cover up an approval rating lower than the great satan. or maybe complaining's just in their nature. or maybe it's both. yeah, that must be it.

446 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:05:04pm

Outing CIA agents?

Hmm.
Seems to me there was a guy did that and became a liberal media darling.
Phillip Agee. More than a few of our agents ended up dead.
But since liberals idea of history consists of what they had for dinner last night, I could see where this would be forgot.

447 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:06:00pm

re: #405 g3n3r1c

In a stinging rebuke to a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, Undersecretary of Defense Eric Edelman responded to questions Clinton raised in May in which she urged the Pentagon to start planning now for the withdrawal of American forces.

"Premature and public discussion of the withdrawal of U.S. forces from Iraq reinforces enemy propaganda that the United States will abandon its allies in Iraq, much as we are perceived to have done in Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia," Edelman wrote.

He added that "such talk understandably unnerves the very same Iraqi allies we are asking to assume enormous personal risks."


What a frigging dingbat.

Vote for Hillary and get a 4 pound cabbage head in your pot.

448 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:06:19pm
449 SusanL  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:07:19pm

re: #430 Sizzlack

Boy, you sure are not kidding about BDS. Right after the Indonesian Tsunami I read where a "scientist" was certain that Bush and the Zionists had detonated an atomic bomb in exactly the right place to cause the wave.

In the aftermath of Katrina I heard more than one commentator blame Bush for everything, including the huricane itself. I had visions of George in a raft a 100 miles out to sea huffing and puffing and blowing the Gulf Coast down. (I know that it has been terrible for those living there, but...)

How can he be the most diabolical, evil genius of our time, and the village idiot at the same time?

I will be glad when Jan 2009 gets here so I don't have to hear "its is all Bushes fault" any more. Of course, they will be saying that long after he is dead and gone.

Yikes, I had better get back to work.

SusanL

450 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:07:51pm

Doesn't the lefties still love the agent outings by Anderson back in the day?

451 GregInSeattle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:08:12pm

re: #438 BenZacharia

From your link:

Washington aims to have "operational control" of the border by 2013

Wow, that's only 12 YEARS since 9/11/2001!

452 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:08:48pm
453 Ojoe  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:09:32pm

re: #448 buzzsawmonkey

I too think there's some dirt on Bush somewhere, probably drug related (he's a slow speaker) but his side has dirt on others too, so the mutual dirts do not see the light.

454 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:10:03pm

Over here in Britain the Plame Game is of nil interest to most Brits - too arcane.

But the BBC has frequently mentioned it, has several times had Wilson on TV, has misreported the Scooter Libby judgment implying that he had leaked the Plame Name. All done without the other side being put, all done with BBC gusto as it has seen it as another stick to beat Bush with.

Luckily the BBC is now seen as pretty untrustworthy by most Brits, especially since the Big Lie about the Queen and now a whole series of BBC cheating on phone-in competitions. There were banner headlines in today's UK press about the shaming of the BBC.

455 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:10:32pm


Breaking: Dems seek to pull “John Doe” provision Updates: Dems kill John Doe provision

Update: It’s just breaking that the Democrats actually spiked the John Doe proposal in committee. They have exposed to Americans to more terrorism and the threat of lawsuit at the same time. They really ought to reap the whirlwind for this.

Success!

456 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:10:33pm

North95.

Like I said. It is kind of hard to "out" a CIA agent who acts like Paris Hilton. Hitting the DC social scene and telling everyone she was a CIA agent. Then gets "outed" by her husband in national media.

How about you get a clue?
These two are celebrity whores hoping to cash in on her activities.
They did it for the money.

457 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:11:11pm

Is anybody else getting tired of reading the same post or posts over and over and over again ?

Folks, if you look real close, next to that "quote" button, there's another button - "reply." Give it a whirl. If your response needs a quote, try quoting just the part required, not a whole damned string of stuff everybody has already seen.

458 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:11:23pm

re: #452 GregInSeattle

That's only 27 years since the 1986 Amnesty/Immigration bill was supposed to secure the borders.

459 Obsidiandog  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:12:07pm

Now if the new CIA director can just keep Plame's book bottled up in red tape over her "covert status", maybe it will finally be released in the middle of the next administration.

460 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:12:31pm

re: #458 Mike C.

thank you, i was waiting for someone to say something. i was just hoping for a new thread.

461 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:12:41pm

re: #458 Mike C.

I think it should be taken away. It's a handy feature but it's too easily abused.

462 GregInSeattle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:12:53pm

re: #458 Mike C.

Is anybody else getting tired of reading the same post or posts over and over and over again ?

Folks, if you look real close, next to that "quote" button, there's another button - "reply." Give it a whirl. If your response needs a quote, try quoting just the part required, not a whole damned string of stuff everybody has already seen.

No. (Kidding, kidding!)

463 Trumanite  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:13:17pm

Democrats actually spiked the John Doe proposal in committee.

This should be the next thing shoved high and hard up the backside of congress.

Harry Reid needs to wake up tomorrow to find this lodged somewhere near his transverse colon ("graphic" graphic warning).

This is as big a deal as shamnesty.

464 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:14:03pm

re: #457 hous bin pharteen

You get it too hous don't you? See my #116 post

465 MandyManners  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:14:35pm

Time for swimming lessons. Later, lizards.

466 commander_vimes  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:14:39pm

re: #458 Mike C.

Folks, if you look real close, next to that "quote" button, there's another button - "reply." Give it a whirl. If your response needs a quote, try quoting just the part required, not a whole damned string of stuff everybody has already seen.

Or, they could trim the quote to just the relevant portion....but something needs doin'

467 oilbertan  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:14:57pm

If there is to be a "LGF the Movie" I would suggest that only conservative actors be chosen (I know it will be tough but ...) and that Dennis Miller plays Charles.

468 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:15:51pm
469 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:16:00pm

Didn't the NYT/Democrats out CIA pilots doing rendition flights?

470 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:16:30pm

Ahmadinejad says we're in for a HOT SUMMER!

471 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:16:53pm

re: #446 hous bin pharteen

Outing CIA agents?

Hmm.
Seems to me there was a guy did that and became a liberal media darling.
Phillip Agee. More than a few of our agents ended up dead.
But since liberals idea of history consists of what they had for dinner last night, I could see where this would be forgot.

Can they remember what was for dinner last night?

Lets see,

Chad salad,
Gore Bull, and
Baked Kerry.

472 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:17:09pm

I found a very sane post @Huffpo

expand collapse RedGeorgia (See profile | I'm a fan of RedGeorgia)


The judge was doing the Wilson's a favor.
If it goes to trial they will be held accountable for the lies and the cost of the attorney's for both sides.

Then they might even go to jail for perjury.
(that would be a good thing)

473 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:17:12pm

re: #447 ibmkeyboard

...abandon its allies in Iraq, much as we are perceived to have done in Vietnam, Lebanon and Somalia,...." Edleman

Percieved? Whenever the US bails it does just that.

Long list of shifting political priorities starting with the Czechs, Hunkys* and the Poles at the end of WWII, add Greece to that list too.

Tribes in Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia ring a bell?

Iraqi Shi'ites in '91-92. Pres Bush says, "Rise up and will cover yer asses." they did, we didn't.

The US has been trying to bail on Israel since '48. Gaining steam under Pres Bush.

*Failed them twice, one Dem one Rep.

474 zmdavid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:17:19pm

LGF the Movie would be done with CGI.

475 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:17:39pm
476 stranded conservative  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:17:40pm
#466 Conservative Academic
OK. WHo's going to make the badges that say "Nancy Pelosi says I cannot report suspicous behavior" for people to wear at airports?

I want a badge!

477 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:18:36pm

[Link: www.democracynow.org...]

They still love Philip Agee on the left as you can see here.
He was just a misunderstood patriot who now lives in Cuba.
No. He didn't change sides. I mean just because he is living in one of the last communist countries in the world.

Last I heard. Val is still alive. That can't be said for those Agee sold to the Soviets.
More left wing Stalinist bullshit.

478 HDrepub  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:18:43pm

re: #474 LeftJustAintRight

Wonder how long that poster will last at HuffPuff Po?

479 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:19:03pm

re: #458 Mike C.

Is anybody else getting tired of reading the same post or posts over and over and over again ?

Folks, if you look real close, next to that "quote" button, there's another button - "reply." Give it a whirl. If your response needs a quote, try quoting just the part required, not a whole damned string of stuff everybody has already seen.

Spot on Mike C.

:)

480 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:19:15pm

OT, but it's time for serious politics !

481 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:00pm

LGF the Movie would be one big montage.

Person typing...takes a drink...smiles...flash to another person laughing...typing...switch to another person typing...quickly hits their mouse to change the screen to a spreadsheet...looks behind them as someone walks past office door...back to typing...

482 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:01pm

re: #472 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It won't be hot enough in Iran until it reaches at least 300,000 C

483 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:17pm

re: #472 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

Ahmadinejad says we're in for a HOT SUMMER!

Tisha b'Av is looking a bit scarier

484 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:25pm
"The enemies of the region should abandon plans to attack the interests of this region, or they would be burned by the wrath of the region's peoples," the hardline Iranian leader said at a joint press conference with Assad.

He met with Nasrallah, Islamic Jihad (an al Qaeda company), Assad and Nasrallah.

Just a bunch of terrorists who will kill until they are stopped dead.

485 sifty  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:26pm

This calls for humming happy songs and a big stupid grin all damn day!

Now is the time to prosecute this pretentious snot for perjury and obstruction. Let's give her the Fitzgerald right where it hurts!

And her wife Joe too!

hehehehehehehehehehe

486 J.S.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:20:32pm

CNN's Lou Dobbs is having an interview with the author of a new book. The title is "Sabotage: America's Enemies withing the CIA" by Rowan Scarborough. The Amazon.com website has the details also about the book, suggesting that "Bush-hating CIA bureaucrats are sabotaging the War on Terror." Guess that's thanks to the Bush Derangement Syndrome.

487 Shaky Louie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:21:01pm

Secret Agent Plame
Secret Agent Plame
They've given you a number
and taken away your name!

I don't understand why the MSM kieeps refering to her as being "outed". She wasn't an undercover operative! (I have to keep telling people that, but all they say is :"lalalalalalla!")

488 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:21:35pm

re: #472 Ayatollah Ghilmeini


Maybe he just wants to be a weather girl.

489 J.S.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:21:44pm

oops. that's "Sabotage: America's Enemies within the CIA"

490 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:22:11pm

#446 hous bin pharteen
Philip Agee, forgot about than asshole. Can't believe he is still alive.

Oleg Kalugin, former head of the KGB’s Counterintelligence Directorate, states that in 1973 Agee approached the KGB's resident in Mexico City and offered what Kalugin called a "treasure trove of information." But the KGB was too suspicious to accept his offer.[6]
Kalugin states that:
“ Agee then went to the Cubans, who welcomed him with open arms...The Cubans shared Agee's information with us. But as I sat in my office in Moscow reading reports about the growing revalations coming from Agee, I cursed our officers for turning away such a prize.[6]
...........................
Inside the Company identifies 250 CIA officers and agents.[3]
...........................
Agee told Swiss journalist Peter Studer that “The CIA is plainly on the wrong side, that is, the capitalistic side. I approve KGB activities, communist activities in general. Between the overdone activities that the CIA initiates and the more modest activities of the KGB, there is absolutely no comparison.”[13]
.......................
Agee's US passport was revoked in 1979.[14][15] In 1980, Maurice Bishop's government conferred citizenship of Grenada on Agee, and he took up residence in that island. The collapse of the Grenada Revolution removed that safe haven, and Agee then was given a passport by the Sandinista government in Nicaragua. After a change of government there, this passport was revoked in 1990, and he was given a German passport, the nationality of his wife, the ballet dancer Giselle Roberge. They now live in Germany and Cuba. Agee has since been readmitted to both the USA and United Kingdom.[16] Agee's own description of his odyssey was published in his autobiography, On The Run, in 1987.


Sorry about the long quotes but it is a long article.

491 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:22:14pm

Carl....

Looking fer a booky to take a little action on next tues/weds.

492 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:22:33pm

........................and if you are wondering about Democracy Now.
They get funding from George Soros.

[Link: www.discoverthenetworks.org...]

493 Ginn  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:24:26pm

re: #458 Mike C.

Is anybody else getting tired of reading the same post or posts over and over and over again ?

Folks, if you look real close, next to that "quote" button, there's another button - "reply." Give it a whirl. If your response needs a quote, try quoting just the part required, not a whole damned string of stuff everybody has already seen.

It's called scroll over, Mike. Give it a whirl.

494 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:25:06pm

re: #490 Shaky Louie

I don't understand why the MSM kieeps refering to her as being "outed". She wasn't an undercover operative! (I have to keep telling people that, but all they say is :"lalalalalalla!")


Maybe she was the Head Undercover Agent Appointed by Clinton

495 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:26:08pm

re: #494 BenZacharia

bookie

496 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:26:10pm

re: #497 LeftJustAintRight

Maybe she was the Head Undercover Agent Appointed by Clinton

Head mole, perhaps.

497 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:26:48pm

re: #467 MandyManners

Time for swimming lessons. Later, lizards.

Is Mandy still learning to swim? ;)

498 Shiplord Kirel  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:26:56pm

re: #446 hous bin pharteen

Outing CIA agents?

Hmm.
Seems to me there was a guy did that and became a liberal media darling.
Phillip Agee. More than a few of our agents ended up dead.
But since liberals idea of history consists of what they had for dinner last night, I could see where this would be forgot.

About time someone mentioned that traitorous swine, and the left's near-uniform defense of his murderous betrayal. Some of the same media beasts who defended Agee are holding forth in righteous, if fabricated, outrage over the Plame affair.
Their complaints about "their" agent being "outed" are vile hypocrisy. They are probably getting a good laugh out of the craven double-standard they get away with applying.

499 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:27:38pm

re: #475 BenZacharia

Tribes in Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia ring a bell?

Iraqi Shi'ites in '91-92. Pres Bush says, "Rise up and will cover yer asses." they did, we didn't.

The US has been trying to bail on Israel since '48. Gaining steam under Pres Bush.

*Failed them twice, one Dem one Rep.


You cant discuss that Shiite,
That is Democrat history.

Well, a couple of Repub. have rans also.

Lets beat the piss outta them, no wait, Lets withdraw and let them beat the piss outta each other.

500 Dom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:27:46pm

Hey MandyManners (#389), Ginn (#395),

I wouldn't say we're getting real news, although it hasn't all been about a burst pipe either. Nothing yet on Syria's intrusion into Lebanon or Ahmadinejad's trip to Syria. Also apparently JK Rowling is upset by the Harry Potter leaks. But the message of the ex-Hizbis is starting to get an airing, which is overdue good news, sadly tempered by the likes of Bukhari.

501 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:28:24pm

vxbush
I was making a Lewinsky joke
Maybe i should have explained more

502 FreeIowa  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:28:25pm

re: #497 LeftJustAintRight


Maybe she was the Head Undercover Agent Appointed by Clinton

Bill or Hillary?

503 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:28:34pm

#493 easy.

Thats the dude.

So George Bush "exposes" Valerie Hilton, who now is making mega bucks and is a national celeb and a darling of the left. Bush is hated.

Agee exposes real agents who don't end up rich, they end up dead.
Is Agee hated by the left? Nope. He is a hero.

So what have we learned from all this?
What we always learn. Liberals always support the enemies of this country over their own country.
This is not impersonal either kiddies. They are not stabbing in the back the abstract idea of a country. It is you and I and our kids they are stabbing in the back.
Remember that.

504 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:28:44pm

re: #496 Ginn

These threads are getting really long these days and much of it is repeated material. It's annoying to many of us.

505 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:29:34pm

re: #502 ibmkeyboard


The US has been trying to bail on Israel since '48. Gaining steam under Pres Bush.


example please

506 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:30:27pm

re: #496 Ginn

re: #458 Mike C.


Is anybody else getting tired of reading the same post or posts over and over ....

It's called scroll over, Mike. Give it a whirl.

Mike C. has a valid point. The reply button is under utilized except by Mike and me. ;)

See one of myposts above where I trimmed down the quote to the area I wished to comment on, instead of leaving the wholed damned post intact and just bolding the section like the lazy asses do that love to chew up bandwidth.

Scroll over should be yer first chioce instead of posting, lead by example noob.

507 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:30:29pm

re: #485 bosforus

re: #472 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It won't be hot enough in Iran until it reaches at least 300,000 C

Does that turn sand into glass?

ULULULULULLULUL

508 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:32:31pm

Yes the nested comment over-use is getting tiresome.

#1 John

#2 Mary
#3 John
#4 Mary
#5 John
#6 Mary
That is great

I agree

I knew that you would.

We always do.

Heh.

Heh to you, too.

509 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:32:36pm

re: #508 bulwrk

re: #502 ibmkeyboard


The US has been trying to bail on Israel since '48. Gaining steam under Pres Bush.


example please

Whoa, That wasn't me,
That jewish guy, Benzack did it.. lol

510 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:32:43pm

Work on Texas border wall to begin soon: ChertoffHOUSTON (Reuters) - Construction on a border wall in southern Texas is expected to begin by this autumn, despite strong local opposition, U.S. Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said in an interview published on Thursday.
Work on Texas border wall

511 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:32:49pm

re: #489 J.S.

The Amazon.com website has the details also about the book, suggesting that "Bush-hating CIA bureaucrats are sabotaging the War on Terror."

Add that to the DOS subterfuge, and the POTUS lost the battle before it started.

512 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:32:57pm

re: #503 Dom

Nothing yet on Syria's intrusion into Lebanon or Ahmadinejad's trip to Syria

makes me remember that the US has yet to develop an "international awareness" that involves more than just "the rest of the world hates the US".

513 Shaky Louie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:33:02pm

re: #497 LeftJustAintRight
/rim shot

514 LSD  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:33:16pm

Any news on Peter Kings "Flying Imam" bill?

515 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:33:22pm

OT

Its been a good day for schadenfreude. The BBC is just like Joe Wilson - a stranger to the truth. So it has been fun to see headlines like these today :

Business Week : BBC suspends some senior editorial staff

Reuters : Members of Parliament summon BBC deputy chief over fake competitions

Independent :.......Scotland Yard revealed the BBC may face a criminal prosecution....

Telegraph : The guilty BBC programmes

Telegraph : Do you still trust the BBC ?

Scotsman : BBC in fresh deception row

Financial Times : BBC staff to have ethics training

Mirror : LieTV from the BBC

Herald : BBC a "hornets' nest of deception"

Guardian : The Beeb's list of shame

etc etc etc


Meanwhile in Australia we had :

The Australian :BBC exposed as serial fakers

Sydney Morning Herald : deceit plunges BBC into darkest days

and BAD HEADLINES all round the world.

516 vxbush  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:33:42pm

re: #504 LeftJustAintRight

vxbush
I was making a Lewinsky joke
Maybe i should have explained more

Oh, I figured you were making some kind of joke. I just didn't care. But I could definitely see Plame letting certain, ah, things get to certain MSM folks to damage the Bush Administration.

517 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:34:00pm
518 pat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:34:36pm

So she will file her next lawsuit in 5..4..3..2..

I also am tired of the requotes.

519 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:34:45pm

re: #518 JohninLondon

Who would have ever thought that state-controled media could decend into dishonesty?

/sarc

520 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:35:21pm

re: #512 ibmkeyboard


My bad

521 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:36:16pm

re: #513 LeftJustAintRight

i'm so happy that the border is getting as much attention as it is nowadays (relatively speaking). here in AZ, in case you didn't know, we're trying to pass legislation that would punish businesses for employing illegals (revoking business licenses after a few infractions) . of course, illegals and construction companies alike are trying to stop it, but i have high hopes.

522 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:36:19pm

re: #512 ibmkeyboard

Whoa, That wasn't me,
That jewish guy, Benzack did it.. lol

Thats the ticket,
Blame it on the Jews..


Bwha.

523 Outrider  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:37:10pm

re: #497 LeftJustAintRight

Maybe she was the Head Undercover Agent Appointed by Clinton

And maybe she was merely a paid society snitch. From all the descriptions of her "assignments", that is the impression I come off with.

524 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:37:37pm

I believe most of us are in agreement. The quote function was a nice enhancement initially, but it would seem that it has become somewhat of a monster. Maybe Charles can tinker with it.

525 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:37:59pm
The most basic glass is produced from melting sand (silica and quartz) - and - wood-ash (alkaline) together, at temperatures of about 1000 C.

That is 1832 F. Lets get it right.

526 Boondock St. Bender  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:38:30pm

re: #483 Mike C.

If only we could.....

527 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:38:46pm

re: #527 Cartman

How about pay-per-quote?

528 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:39:24pm

re: #241 MandyManners

re: #226 david e


I get it now, "Look at the pair of Kerrys on that woman".

Don't besmirch nipples!


Is besmirch what they're calling it now?

529 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:39:49pm

#521 Pat

She has to.
How else will she stay in the lifelight and get invited to Shrilerys Hollywood fundraising parties.


For god sake Scooter,out me please!
I wanna be rich and famous and party with Green Day!

530 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:40:14pm

re: #526 Outrider

Maybe she was the Head Undercover Agent Appointed by Clinton

Was she on the Oval office carpet, or in the covert closet?

531 kawfytawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:40:18pm

re: #524 bosforus

re: #513 LeftJustAintRight

of course, illegals and construction companies alike are trying to stop it, but i have high hopes

unfortunately, all you need is some left leaning judge to put a stop to any sanity...look what they did in Farmers Branch, TX

532 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:40:44pm

re: #527 Cartman

agreed. i don't need to be reminded of what i said. i can follow a conversation, especially if it's one that i'm having.

533 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:41:03pm

re: #531 bikermailman

Besmooch nipples don't besmirch them.

534 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:42:00pm

re: #518 JohninLondon

The Beeb, gorged on political correctness, may have finally coughed up a hairball!

535 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:42:05pm

re: #507 Killgore Trout

Let's see, please find a map and see how many square miles Israel had in, oh, say November '73. How many square miles do they have now? Did it get smaller from pressure from the Chinese? Nope, US.

We just gonna make go away slower than the slimes.

They'll outlast the US though.

Pres. Ronald Reagan has been the only true friend of Israel since '48, he was better than several of Israels own PM!

536 pat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:42:26pm

Nick Nolte in the local airport waiting area. My friends tell me he was in the bar for a few hours. Said nhe was very nice. But drunk. LOL. He should have gone to the LGF lounge.
[Link: www.tmz.com...]

537 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:43:19pm

Val Plame as a letter-day Mata Hari ? Really ?

Come to think of it - why does she have blonde hair and black eyebrows ? Curious ?

538 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:43:56pm

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Into the tip jar?

539 legalpad  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:44:58pm

re: #509 BenZacharia

The reply button is under utilized except by Mike and me. ;)

I use it, but I have to hit the reply button first, then go back to the post I am replying to to copy part of the text. The copy function doesn't seem to work before I hit reply.

540 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:45:12pm

Re the BBC- of all of the BBC's worst sins, its contemptible bias and inaccurate reporting about Israel far outstrip the current imbroglio of some little contests. Anti-Israel bias is far more outrageous because it represents deviation from actual reporting.

In a democracy, press protection is extended precisely because of the importance of an informed body politic. As a direct result of years of systemic bias and inaccuracy, Israel has be relegated to near pariah status in the UK. Israeli academics are denied positions and Jewish cemeteries and institutions are being attacked, on a regular basis (IN THE UK!) to the utter silence of the BBC.

This is evil; it is craven and immoral. It is the world's oldest hate, packed in a nice smiling BBC smarmy happy talk, but deep down indistiguishable from the ideas and feelings of the greatest of Jew haters.

541 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:45:13pm

re: #538 BenZacharia

Pres. Ronald Reagan has been the only true friend of Israel since '48, he was better than several of Israels own PM!

May she get another one SOON!

542 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:45:21pm

Balding blowhard Dimwit to "attack" Dkos again tonight....
JetBlue backs away from Kos


Just got word that JetBlue has asked the YearlyKos organizers to remove its name from the nutroots convention’s website. For its sponsorship deal, JetBlue apparently donated 10 travel vouchers to YearlyKos. I understand that there are no plans to revoke the vouchers. O’Reilly will be reacting to the decision tonight.

In a letter to O’Reilly, JetBlue says it is “an airline” not “a political organzation.” Glad to hear it.


....prepare for further dissapointment.

543 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:45:40pm

re: #311 taxfreekiller

20 miles on the trek last
evening after the wheat
combining, and hauling

the HHH this year will
be hell hell hell due
to no time to get in
shape and the age
thingey

Man...you're one tough crazy effer.

544 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:05pm

re: #530 Killgore Trout

Along those lines, pay-per-post might be a good idea.

A yearly fund raiser, for LGF maintenance (a la the tip jar) or maybe we could pick a charity (some nice Support our Troop groups out there).

But the voluntary formula would be this:
1) Hit your football.
2) Note you total number of posts
3) Divide by 100
4) Write a check for that amount

I'd have to write almost a $70 check, but if it was only once a year, I think I could handle that.

Yes, some of the more chatty may have posted themselves beyond their financial ability, but since nothing is required, it would all be in good fun.

545 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:12pm

re: #542 legalpad


It does for me

546 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:14pm

Poles decry priest's remarks on Jews

I'll reserve comment till the Vatican response as been issued.

Except Yea! for the Ploes! Kick his ass!

547 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:16pm

re: #538 BenZacharia

Let's see, please find a map and see how many square miles Israel had in, oh, say November '73. How many square miles do they have now? Did it get smaller from pressure from the Chinese? Nope, US.
And now that Fata has the West Bank and Hamas has Gaza.
In order to get more land,

Israel is going to have to invade New Jersey and put up some greenhouses.

548 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:19pm

re: #540 JohninLondon

Val Plame as a letter-day Mata Hari ? Really ?

Come to think of it - why does she have blonde hair and black eyebrows ? Curious ?

cmon john, dontcha know she is undercover?

549 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:21pm
550 Dom  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:39pm

A new game from The Sun. Basic but vital.

Chuck cat food at Galloway

EVER felt like pelting tins of cat food at 'Pussy Prat' MP George Galloway?

Well, now you can – with our fantastic online game!

Galloway – who pretended to be a kitten on Celeb Big Bro in 2006- is already set to be evicted from the Commons.

But if you don’t feel that’s enough, why not chuck stuff at him by clicking the link below?

Link

551 mahatma coat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:46:58pm

re: #543 Ayatollah Ghilmeini
and whats worse you're forced to pay for it whether you watch the BBC ,or not

552 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:47:05pm

re: #541 Cartman

Sure, a buck will buy 10 quotes.

553 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:48:38pm

In the meantime, more US soldier blown up in Iraq - try to keep us safe from the www.michaelyon-online.com...] target="_blank">

"charcol-broilers of little boys."

Guys, if Allah wante you to win, you'd be presiding over the caliphare by now. Allah has abandoned you...Allah beleive in your outlandish cause.

554 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:49:07pm

543 Ayatollah

Some detail out today about biased Middle East reporting by the BBC :

[Link: www.honestreporting.com...]

555 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:49:15pm

re: #542 legalpad

Use the quote button then trim it down in the comment window.

556 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:49:53pm
557 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:01pm

re: #552 buzzsawmonkey


A real Mata Hairy

558 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:26pm

re: #549 BenZacharia

Ugh, I really hope this doesn't become a trend. Good for the poles for speaking up.

559 spikester  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:44pm

The lizards are irritable. Must be post-4-millionth syndrome.

Remember, there is more than one thread in this tapestry.

Everybody go on Semi-auto-moderate.

560 docremulac  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:47pm

The dhimmicrats aren't having much luck with their new plan to throw their enemies in jail or destroy them without any crimes having been committed.

561 LSD  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:53pm

CAIR after Neal Boortz
(From CAIR Email Alert - no link yet)

INCITEMENT: RADIO HOST NEAL BOORTZ CALLS ISLAM A 'CULT,' THREATENS TO 'ERADICATE' MUSLIMS - TOP

The following are excerpts from a dialogue between radio host Neal Boortz and a Muslim caller to his program. (SEE: [Link: boortz.com...] An audio clip of the program is circulating on anti-Muslim Internet hate sites. It is not known when the program aired.

Caller: Sir I'm calling because of some statements you been making in the past week about the religion of Islam and. . ."

Neal Boortz: It's a cult it's not even a religion. . .

Boortz: You don't have a word of condemnation in you until the non-Islamic world rises up and starts to make it clear that we are fed up with your damned religion. We've had it up to here.

And somebody, like I said yesterday, somebody needs to grab the Muslim world by the shirt collar, backhand it a good one, knock it into the damn corner and say straighten up or we're gonna eradicate you beetles from the face of the Earth. . .

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO CLIP:
[Link: www.cair.com...]
(Click twice on start button.)

(Note: Please DO NOT attempt to contact Neal Boortz. Mr. Boortz can and will use any comments to further defame Islam and Muslim. This clip was offered only to demonstrate the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in our society.)

562 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:50:53pm
563 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:51:21pm

re: #560 bulwrk

A real Mata Hairy

LOL

564 DistantThunder  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:51:43pm

Wow - my post was messed up - Ihad a link and everything - and it didn't show up.

Correction: Allah - does not beleive in your cause.

565 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:52:18pm

re: #550 ibmkeyboard

Israel is going to have to invade New Jersey and put up some greenhouses.

Think State would like that kind of land fer peace deal?

BTW, make that Foggy Bottom.

566 LSD  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:52:43pm
567 pat  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:53:32pm

Democrats kill John Doe immunity bill. Huh? Are these people nuts?
[Link: hotair.com...]

568 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:54:00pm

Going a little OT here, but has anyone else seen this bullsh!t?

Huge underground lake could end Darfur conflict

"The recent discovery of a huge underground lake in Sudan could spell an end to four years of conflict in the drought-stricken region of Darfur, a US geologist said Wednesday. "

Who knew that underground water was the key to defeating jihad and making arabs play nice with others? I've got a garden hose in my back yard, think I can fight crime with it?

569 americanpundit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:54:03pm

Democrats killed the John Doe measure. You can be sued for reporting suspicious activity. Just a little note.

570 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:54:24pm

re: #564 LSD

Note: Please DO NOT attempt to contact Neal Boortz. Mr. Boortz can and will use any comments to further defame Islam and Muslim. This clip was offered only to demonstrate the growing level of Islamophobic rhetoric in our society

Stop talking to Boortz on the air. We keep getting our asses handed to us. Save the rhetoric for a forum where no one can respond.

571 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:55:26pm

Joe Wilson has a prettier hairstyle than John Edwards, I reckon. And prettier than his wifey.

572 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:55:31pm

re: #568 BenZacharia

BTW, make that Foggy Bottom. Ha.

Pre- dug tunnels.
Greenhouses for peace.

Olmert for Governor.

is he gay?

573 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:55:43pm

re: #561 Killgore Trout

Waiting for the new Fr. Coughlin to pull his wang out of an alter boy and start bitching about the Joooos.

574 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:57:11pm

re: #575 ibmkeyboard

Don't know if he's a gay, but he is playing butte boy to Abu.

575 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:57:22pm

re: #571 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

Who knew that underground water was the key to defeating jihad and making arabs play nice with others? I've got a garden hose in my back yard, think I can fight crime with it?

Yes, as a result of global warming.
/U.N.

576 BenZacharia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:58:16pm

TTFN, critters to feed, then off to the fire works.

577 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:58:18pm

re: #574 JohninLondon

Joe Wilson has a prettier hairstyle than John Edwards, I reckon. And prettier than his wifey.

He conditions it with kozkids drool.

578 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:58:41pm

re: #441 NY Nana

re: #441 NY Nana

re: #390 North95

Asshole.

Here is it's LGF Info:

North95

Registered lizardoid since: Oct 29, 2006 at 5:38 pm

No. of comments posted (since July 26, 2004): 125

Show comments within last 7 days

Probably saved..to use after other nics were blocked.

Dinner time.

I'm not registered under any other names, ask Charles. Feel free to read all you want.

I only post when I have something I feel is worthwhile to say.

Namecalling doesn't really add to your argument.

579 spikester  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:59:37pm

any bets the new thread will be John Doe?

580 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 3:59:54pm

re: #536 bulwrk

re: #531 bikermailman

Besmooch nipples don't besmirch them.

Besmoochin', besmirchin'...all that, and much more! :D

581 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:00:20pm

re: #581 North95

Hi North- Has the issue become clearer to you after reading the comments?

582 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:00:43pm

re: #577 BenZacharia

Don't know if he's a gay, but he is playing butte boy to Abu. Bwhahahahaha.

Arfart has to be looking down grinning.

Or is he looking up through the smoke?

583 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:00:51pm

Protocols of the Daily Kos...
Problems in Paradise: Bush's I/P Strategy on the Ropes


Ever since Hamas won free and fair elections in January 2006 giving it control of the Palestinian Legislative Council, the neo-cons in Washington have been pursuing a single-minded strategy to undermine its government, isolate the movement, and ultimately destroy it as a political force. Last month, when Hamas struck back against a long string of provocations and expelled Fatah security forces from the Gaza Strip, the initial reactions in Washington and Jerusalem were of undisguised joy -- the time for the endgame had arrived.

...the neo-cons might have "pulled the plug" on a number of black ops they were running throughout the Near East, specifically the anti-Hezbollah op utilizing Fatah al Islam in Lebanon (that one was first revealed by Seymour Hersh in the New Yorker), the Mohammad Dahlan op targeting Hamas, and an alleged Omar al Baghdadi op directed against al Qaeda in Iraq.

Fatah al Islam is a Neocon front group? Add another layer of tinfoil to that hat, buddy.

584 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:01:31pm

re: #571 YourTaxDollarsAtWork

They weren't committing genocide....they were just thirsty!

585 legalpad  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:01:41pm

re: #564 LSD

Good 'ole Neal on the front lines.

586 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:01:41pm

re: #582 spikester

we should bet our ability to use the 'quote' feature. i bet that the next thread will be the john doe story

587 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:02:12pm

re: #38 Killgore Trout

Breaking: Valerie Plame's Civil Suit Dismissed

Komments...

Now I'm no lawyer, but that "reasoning" sounds like frank bullshit to me. If I’m hit by a truck, it’s an accident. If a truck deliberately runs over me, and the government encourages the driver to back up and squish me again, well, that’s another matter entirely.


Fools.


Lol. and that's why he/she/it is not a lawyer.

588 FightingBack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:02:24pm

re: #543 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

The BBC is beneath contempt, and not because of fraudulent, frivolous contests, either.

It's nice to see them getting slammed, though. Sometimes, giants' positions can be hurt by making them look ridiculous; and you never know where this will lead.

So, snicker on.

589 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:02:35pm
590 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:03:12pm

re: #572 americanpundit

Democrats killed the John Doe measure. You can be sued for reporting suspicious activity. Just a little note.

My name ia Jane Doe

591 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:04:03pm

re: #589 bosforus

Can we quote one liners and little bits just for reference?

592 so.cal.swede  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:04:23pm

re: #511 Silhouette

Yes the nested comment over-use is getting tiresome.

#1 John


#2 Mary
#3 John
#4 Mary
#5 John
#6 Mary
That is great

I agree

I knew that you would.

We always do.

Heh.

Heh to you, too.

I like kittens

593 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:04:25pm

re: #592 song_and_dance_man

the case goes down in plames

I just knew we could depend on you!

594 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:04:49pm

re: #570 pat

I noticed that earlier too. However, i think this is a rare case where Hot Air got it wrong.....
Score one for John Doe

A Senate Republican aide says they scored one victory when the chamber's parliamentarian ruled this morning that the "John Doe" protections are within the scope of the legislation and can be included by amendment.

"Combine that with the public outcry and Democrats may be forced to cave," the aide said.

595 FightingBack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:06:09pm

re: #593 Wishing

They never met a lawsuit they didn't love.

596 JeffinSac  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:06:33pm

Okay the AP is not just in accurately reporting on what the Judge ruled but outright lying to the public now. The AP is stating:
"U.S. District Judge John D. Bates dismissed the case on jurisdictional grounds and said he would not express an opinion on the constitutional arguments", but is that was the judge REALLY ruled?

[Link: ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov...]

CONCLUSION
For the reasons given above, plaintiffs have failed to state a claim upon which relief can be granted with respect to their four causes of action asserted directly under the Constitution. Furthermore, this Court lacks subject-matter jurisdiction over plaintiffs' claim for public disclosure of private facts. Accordingly, defendants' motions to dismiss are granted. A separate order accompanies this memorandum opinion.

So in fact the Judge did look at 4 Constitutional claims and dismissed them. The one claim he stated he could not rule on was a tort claim that was not in his jurisdiction.

This is a perfect example of why the Media is loosing the publics trust.

597 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:07:13pm
598 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:07:54pm

re: #597 Killgore Trout

I don't know. Even that statement is a little ambiguous. We'll have to wait and see for sure which amendments make the final draft.

599 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:07:58pm

#583 macgreagor


Crickits chirping.

600 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:08:38pm
The lake may have contained up to 2,530 cubic kilometers (606 cubic miles) of water in the past and was discovered using images from three satellites, one belonging to NASA, another to Canada and a third from the Pentagon.

Gee, why didn't the Sudanese government use their own satelite?

Or maybe the 'charity' wing of Al Qaeda, the one that built all those roads and schools. Surely, an advanced group like that, chock full of "masterminds", has a satelite.

601 americanpundit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:08:55pm
#597 Killgore Trout

That was earlier on today. The victory you're talking about was leading up to this defeat. The Washington Times has since reported the Democrats have killed it.

602 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:09:10pm

re: #602 hous bin pharteen

yep, I'd say.

603 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:10:41pm

So the democrats have sided with trial lawyers and terrorists over John Q Public once again? The pro-slavery party strikes again.

Hmmmm.

Why do I keep feeling like I am living in 1859 with these fools.

604 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:10:46pm

re: #594 MacGregor

yes. a one line maximum will be allowed.

605 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:11:15pm

BenZ, Wth are they talking about?

The message was posted on the BBC Radio Web site message board following a discussion about a television program on anti-Semitism that screened on the UK's Channel Four network last week.

The offensive message, left by someone using the alias "Iron Naz," reads: "Zionism is a racist ideology where jews [sic] are given supremacy over all other races and faiths. This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews. Many pro jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it, hey frip, jla and co [the aliases of other people taking part in the discussion]. The Law of Baba Mezia! Tsk tsk tsk! It's in the Talmud."

A number of Jewish community members, including a community organization, appealed to the BBC to remove the posting. They all received a standard response: "We have decided that it does not contravene the House Rules and are going to leave it on the site..."

606 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:11:31pm

re: #584 MacGregor

re: #584 MacGregor

re: #581 North95

Hi North- Has the issue become clearer to you after reading the comments?

Well, I'll say one thing that I agree is unclear, is whether she was a covert agent. I just read the wikipedia article about her. It's obviously a murky subject, as the CIA doesn't talk about such thing. The wikipedia article is here: [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Here's one quote: In the February 15, 2005 ruling on the issue, the court's opinion states:
As to the leaks’ harmfulness, although the record omits specifics about Plame’s work, it appears to confirm, as alleged in the public record and reported in the press, that she worked for the CIA in some unusual capacity relating to counterproliferation. Addressing deficiencies of proof regarding the Intelligence Identities Protection Act, the special counsel refers to Plame as "a person whose identity the CIA was making specific efforts to conceal and who had carried out covert work overseas within the last 5 years"—representations I trust the special counsel would not make without support. (8/27/04 Aff. at 28 n.15.) (Italics added.)[19]

607 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:13:07pm

re: #604 americanpundit

You're right, in fact they just updated the title in the latest version of that article: Democrats cut 'John Doe' provision

608 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:13:33pm

re: #593 Wishing


Democrats killed the John Doe measure. You can be sued for reporting suspicious activity.


When the first person dies because someone was afraid to report suspicious activity, everyone who voted to kill the measure should be brought up on manslaughter charges.

609 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:13:35pm

Looks like AQ won.
Mark Levin is covering it and he is pissed.

610 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:13:47pm
This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews. Many pro jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it,


Has BabaZee been lying to me all this time? LO

611 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:14:58pm

re: #609 North95

Wikipedia? got anything better?

612 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:15:01pm

re: #604 americanpundit

Is there a Date/Time stamp to that article? Killgore's was posted at 14:35, and I remember reading verbiage almost exactly as the WTimes' early this morning.

613 GregInSeattle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:15:32pm

OT-

Musharrif getting serious in Waziristan? Seems like he has to, really...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

614 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:15:48pm

re: #611 bulwrk

so bul...if i see something suspicious...i should say that a man with a blue shirt told me thus and thus happened? Or should i just let ppl maybe get blown to bits? Which would Nancy prefer?

615 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:15:51pm

#609 North


You wanna comment on the Val Hilton/Philp Agee thing?

616 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:16:09pm

re: #613 ibmkeyboard

they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it,

They lie about the rule that says you can lie?

So if they deny it, that PROVES that such a verse exists!

/

617 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:16:59pm

re: #616 GregInSeattle

OT-

Musharrif getting serious in Waziristan? Seems like he has to, really...

[Link: www.washingtonpost.com...]

ut oh...that pesky restive northwest

618 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:17:29pm

NOW. TIME TO COUNTER SUE.

Joe Wilson is a liar.

619 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:17:46pm

re: #22 RedPepper

Thank you. It just makes me furious to see that 2 good men are still in prison for the crime of doing their job, while untold numbers of illegals are all over our country, commiting crimes. Never mind that they are illegal; too many of them go to prison, get out, and are never deported, and then go on to commit an even worse crime..murder comes to mind..

President Bush should be ashamed.

620 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:17:50pm

re: #614 MacGregor

re: #609 North95

Wikipedia? got anything better?

How dare you question Wikipedia?

Charles is listed as a rebel.

621 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:18:24pm

re: #614 MacGregor

re: #609 North95

Wikipedia? got anything better?


I just got home. Still checking, but I'm fairly sure none of my friends are in the CIA, so I'll keep looking on these internets.

622 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:18:38pm

re: #129 lawhawk

Speaking of Leftist liars, Kerry is a busy bee. His latest lies, or rather a misstatement, or gaffe, or lapse, or failed joke, depending on how Kerry will seek to clarify it going forward:

Sen. John Kerry said during a C-Span appearance that fears of a bloodbath after the US withdrawal from Vietnam never materialized. He says he’s met survivors of the “reeducation camps” who are thriving in modern Vietnam. An award-winning investigation by the Orange County Register concludes that at least 165,000 people perished in the camps.

Then throw in a couple million more killed in Laos and Cambodia and you get the picture. Just hit the ignore button....

Good grief. I've talked to holocaust survivors, therefore there was no holocaust?

Hey, I never talked to anyone who was killed in WWI, have you? I guess that means there weren't any casualities.

Not to mention hundreds of thousands of boat people who ran from Vietnam to avoid the camps. Not to mention hundreds of thousands of Iraqis who ran from Saddam, and have run from al Qaeda now. Not to mention it might "only" be a few tens of thousands who would be seen as collaborators with the cowardly, unreliable infidel Americans.

Anyhow, it wasn't a bloodbath, it was ketchup, and they should have just married it, right? Gawd, but Kerry makes Algore like like a geniass.

623 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:18:49pm

re: #608 ibmkeyboard

BenZ, Wth are they talking about?


The message was posted on the BBC Radio Web site message board following a discussion about a television program on anti-Semitism that screened on the UK's Channel Four network last week.

The offensive message, left by someone using the alias "Iron Naz," reads: "Zionism is a racist ideology where jews [sic] are given supremacy over all other races and faiths. This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews. Many pro jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it, hey frip, jla and co [the aliases of other people taking part in the discussion]. The Law of Baba Mezia! Tsk tsk tsk! It's in the Talmud."

A number of Jewish community members, including a community organization, appealed to the BBC to remove the posting. They all received a standard response: "We have decided that it does not contravene the House Rules and are going to leave it on the site..."

I saw that the other day, was wondering myself. I did a search, the only sites that had anything on it were the muslim sites and the david duke-type sites. But of course it would be that way, do you really think the joooooos would put out their real intentions about being the master race where they could be seen? Like the way the muslims do? But wait...if it's in the Talmud, like they insist, wouldn't it show up with a search for 'baba mezia + talmud'? hmmmm...

624 spikester  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:19:10pm

re: #589 bosforus

I called and left a voice message for NP for all the good it will do.
Next The Fairness Doctrine.

625 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:19:11pm

#617 wishing...............

How about the glaring stoopidity of the Dems to begin with.
I seem to remember them fleeing Capital Hill when some airliners heading their way.
I seem to remember them running out of Capital Hill when some white powder was found.

I am sensing a Darwin moment here with these fools.
...too stoopid to survive.

626 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:19:12pm
627 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:19:52pm
628 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:21:43pm

re: #617 Wishing


I'm so pissed I'd like to see them all in orange jumpsuits.

629 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:21:44pm

re: #603 Silhouette

Screw finding water. I'm sure that if AQ or any other imam-driven group had satellites, they'd find a way to fly them into buildings, and make IED's and suicide vests out of the launch vehicles as well.

The West- using technology to solve the world's problems and ease the suffering of our fellow man.

Islam- using technology to create the world's problems and enhance the suffering of our fellow man.

630 FightingBack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:21:54pm

re: #613 ibmkeyboard

Thou shalt not bear false witness.
That's the law.( #9)

"Baba Meizes" means "Grandmother Tales" or, "Fairy Tales." It's often used as a retort against fanciful liars.

631 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:22:32pm

re: #619 Silhouette

They lie about the rule that says you can lie?

So if they deny it, that PROVES that such a verse exists!

I figure he has never read the book, and if he did he doesn't know what it means..

Like Clinton reading the Constitution.
Deny Deny Deny.

632 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:23:02pm

re: #631 bulwrk

re: #617 Wishing


I'm so pissed I'd like to see them all in orange jumpsuits.

Well it is just so STUPID Leave to da dems

633 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:23:12pm

There's this article: [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
By Joel Seidman
Producer
NBC News
Updated: 4:24 p.m. ET May 29, 2007
WASHINGTON - An unclassified summary of outed CIA officer Valerie Plame's employment history at the spy agency, disclosed for the first time today in a court filing by Special Counsel Patrick Fitzgerald, indicates that Plame was "covert" when her name became public in July 2003.

The summary is part of an attachment to Fitzgerald's memorandum to the court supporting his recommendation that I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, Vice President Cheney's former top aide, spend 2-1/2 to 3 years in prison for obstructing the CIA leak investigation.

The nature of Plame's CIA employment never came up in Libby's perjury and obstruction of justice trial.
Undercover travel
The unclassified summary of Plame's employment with the CIA at the time that syndicated columnist Robert Novak published her name on July 14, 2003 says, "Ms. Wilson was a covert CIA employee for who the CIA was taking affirmative measures to conceal her intelligence relationship to the United States."

Plame worked as an operations officer in the Directorate of Operations and was assigned to the Counterproliferation Division (CPD) in January 2002 at CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

The employment history indicates that while she was assigned to CPD, Plame, "engaged in temporary duty travel overseas on official business." The report says, "she traveled at least seven times to more than ten times." When overseas Plame traveled undercover, "sometimes in true name and sometimes in alias -- but always using cover -- whether official or non-official (NOC) -- with no ostensible relationship to the CIA."

Criminal prosecution beat national security
After the Novak column was published and Plame's identity was widely reported in the media, and according to the document, "the CIA lifted Ms Wilson's cover" and then "rolled back her cover" effective to the date of the leak.

The CIA determined, "that the public interest in allowing the criminal prosecution to proceed outweighed the damage to national security that might reasonably be expected from the official disclosure of Ms. Wilson's employment and cover status."

The CIA has not divulged any other details of the nature of Plame's cover or the methods employed by the CIA to protect her cover nor the details of her classified intelligence activities. Plame resigned from the CIA in December 2005.

Plame and her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson have filed a lawsuit against four current or former top Bush administration officials, including Vice President Dick Cheney, accusing them and other White House officials of conspiring to destroy her career at the CIA.

634 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:23:37pm

re: #619 Silhouette

re: #613 ibmkeyboard


They lie about the rule that says you can lie?

So if they deny it, that PROVES that such a verse exists!

/

That reminds me of a CAIR type of guy Michael Medved has on every so often. One time MM had him and Robert Spencer on, and Robert mentioned taquiiya (the rule that says you can lie), and Sadiqi (sp?) went nuts, denying it completely. Robert was able to quote verses, 'rulings' by islamic scholars through the years, and Sadiqi just kept on lyin' about the rule that lets you lie to kufirs.

635 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:24:39pm

re: #626 bikermailman

Here is a response to that shit on al-beb. It is a blood libel.

636 Thanos  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:24:47pm

Evening all, it's appropriate to rededicate this song now to Joe an Valerie:
This is Not America

A little piece of you
The little peace in me
Will die
For this is not america

Blossom falls to bloom
This season
Promise not to stare
Too long
For this is not a miracle

There was a time
A storm that blew so pure
For this could be the biggest sky
And I could have
The faintest idea

Snowman melting
From the inside
Falcon spirals
To the ground
So bloody red
Tomorrows clouds

A little piece of you
The little piece in me
Will die
For this is not america

There was a time
A wind that blew so young
For this could be the biggest sky
And I could have the faintest idea

This could be the biggest sky
This could be a miracle

-- David Bowie, the theme song to "The Falcon and The Snowman"

637 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:11pm
Fury said to the
mouse, that
he met in the
house, "Let us
both go to law.
I will prosecute
you. Come, I'll

take no denial,
we must

have a trial,

for really this

morning I've

nothing to do."

Said the

mouse to the

cur, "Such a trial,
dear Sir, with no
jury or judge,
would be
wasting
our breath."
"I'll be
judge,

I'll be

jury,"

said

cunning

old Fury.

"I'll try the

whole cause

and condemn
you to death."


-- the Mouse's Tale, Lewis Carroll, "Alice in Wonderland."

638 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:26pm

re: #633 FightingBack

re: #613 ibmkeyboard

Thou shalt not bear false witness.
That's the law.( #9)

"Baba Meizes" means "Grandmother Tales" or, "Fairy Tales." It's often used as a retort against fanciful liars.

I am going to quote that.
First sane answer I have heard on three different sites.

Thank you.

639 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:38pm

Democrats Kill 'John Doe'

Going out of their way to endanger you.

640 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:43pm
“We promised you answers, and we promised you a safer America. Hopefully, this legislation will fulfill the rest of the promise,” Mrs. Pelosi said.


As 180 degrees as it may seem, this was Pelosi's response to the fate of the John Doe provision. is there something wrong with me? am i the only one that thinks that not including that provision will have the EXACT OPPOSITE EFFECT? would it even be worth the effort to try to smack some sense into that lady?

641 Geekasaurus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:49pm

FIRST POST!

I've been a lurker for many, many years. I FINALLY GOT REGISTERED! YEAH ME! I feel validated, confirmed, EXISTING!

Somebody mention to Charles that I am a senior Unix geek....been doing various Unix flavors for 24 years. I will gladly help out on some of the technical aspects of LGF. I cannot help with SQL code, but can for anything to do with shell scripting, disks, memory and all that lot stuff. Right now I'm doing HP-UX, but my resume includes a couple of Linux flavors, along with AIX, Solaris, and some really rare and out-of date stuff as well.

In my spare time, I am [correctly: was] chaplain at a Texas county jail. So I'm serious about Christianity and moral/ethical and legal issues. I post regularly over at my buddy Decurion's blog: [Link: www.castrorum.blogspot.com...]

About Plame: has there ever been a greater waste of legal resources? Has there been ANY redeeming value to her and her claims?

642 zmdavid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:25:49pm

re: #632 YourTaxDollarsAtWork
Too Late
Iran has had a satellite for 2 years. (Thanks, Putin)

643 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:26:06pm

re: #636 North95

Oh crap msnbc that settles it then

644 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:26:12pm

How's that, buzz?

645 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:26:29pm

re: #638 NY Nana

al-beeb Too pissed to type straight, and I did preview.

646 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:27:14pm

re: #640 Silhouette

I just got dizzy scrolling past your post

647 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:28:21pm

626 bikermailman

The BBC has FINALLY, after many many protests, removed those antisemitic remarks from a comments page :

[Link: www.somethingjewish.co.uk...]

648 wrathofasma  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:28:46pm

re: #646 bulwrk

re: #636 North95

Oh crap msnbc that settles it then

Sadly, everyone here sees anything that's not Fox news as part of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

649 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:29:04pm

re: #640 Silhouette

Yikedoodle, with blockquotes?!

650 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:29:14pm

Welcome, geek! I'm sure Charles will be open to ideas. For now, comment wisely, padawan! Oops, that's for mypetjawa's site. (a good blog, btw)

651 Silhouette  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:29:26pm

re: #649 bulwrk

Sorry. I almost never play with the html tags, colors, fonts, etc. or do anything silly with asterisks and so on.

But buzzmonkey asked if I could make the curving poem. So I thought I'd try.

652 Thanos  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:29:58pm

Regarding Musharraf -- one thing that western journos fail to get is that Musharraf must go out of his way to make peace with the extremists even when he knows attempts will fail. If he doesn't he loses moderate and clerical support from non-deobandi mosques and groups -- it's an islamic thing, journos don't understand. When all is said and done there will be an offensive against the extremists, and they will find their support melted over the past two years. It's going to be interesting -- he bent over backwards to work a peace deal with the Bugti before the squashing.

653 YourTaxDollarsAtWork  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:30:13pm

re: #645 zmdavid

Snap... your right.

Speaking of that crazy little man Putin, any predictions on the fall-out of all the suspended diplomats today?

654 itellu3times  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:30:30pm

re: #651 wrathofasma

re: #646 bulwrk
re: #636 North95
Oh crap msnbc that settles it then
Sadly, everyone here sees anything that's not Fox news as part of the Vast Left Wing Conspiracy.

And your point?

655 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:30:47pm

re: #644 Geekasaurus

welcome! take a seat and join in the action.

656 spikester  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:02pm

re: #629 buzzsawmonkey

Is that Ted K or Fred F?

657 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:04pm

re: #650 JohninLondon

626 bikermailman

The BBC has FINALLY, after many many protests, removed those antisemitic remarks from a comments page :

[Link: www.somethingjewish.co.uk...]

Imagine, if it were something untrue like that said about the muslims. If it ever made it past the editors, it would only be to show the world how horribly they are treated, then would be taken down immediately. Right after the protests threatening to kill the beebsters.

658 Sponge  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:22pm

The truth means NOTHING to these....um....words escape me right now......

BLOGGINGBITCH (See profile | I'm a fan of BLOGGINGBITCH)
NO FINES? NO JAIL TIME? NOTHING?


SO MUCH FOR A REAL WAR ON TERROR.

IF BUSH WANTS TO TERRORIZE YOU, HE'S GOING TO!

Log in | Parent | posted 03:33 pm on 07/19/2007
lindamart60 (See profile | I'm a fan of lindamart60)
Maybe all of you liberals should have another internet protest or two?

Wait, I know.

Call your Senators.

Tell them you want the Senate to have another pajama party.
Log in | Parent | posted 03:38 pm on 07/19/2007
Abycat (See profile | I'm a fan of Abycat)
Well, linda, aren't we smart? Cheney and Rove
commit the act of treason by exposing a covert
CIA agent and others who were in contact with
her and you want a pajama party? So smart.
Just because a Reagan or Bush appointed judge
dismisses the case it doesn't mean it's over.
Back to your 'culture war', linda. Ignore
the fact that your president is a liar and
a traitor.
Log in | Parent | posted 03:46 pm on 07/19/2007
Skandal (See profile | I'm a fan of Skandal)
You forgot to mention the "original and primary" leaker; i.e., Armitage.
Log in | Parent | posted 03:55 pm on 07/19/2007
revoltnow (See profile | I'm a fan of revoltnow)
Your president and vice president are both liars and traitors. You can't escape that fact, no matter how much shit you fling to try and cover it up.
Log in | Parent | posted 04:06 pm on 07/19/2007
Swift2 (See profile | I'm a fan of Swift2)
The original leaker was Dick Cheney, and probably Geo. W. Bush. It was on his orders that it all happened. It did not happen all by itself. You should study the timeline of the leaks. By the time that Armitage told Novak, it had already been leaked to Judy Miller by Libby, but for once, she didn't publish it.
Log in | Parent | posted 05:14 pm on 07/19/2007
eddiejoe (See profile | I'm a fan of eddiejoe)
Thanks swift2! You beat me to it. Leaks were originated out of the VP office and from a State Department classified memo requested by the same. The fact that Armitage's statement and Rove's confirmation got to the press through Novak's article does make him the "real" leaker. They were all leaking at around the same time frame. As for Plame's status, Fitzgerald submitted a document to the court indicating her covert status and it is part of the court's permanent record. Why would the CIA take this to the justice department if she were not covert?
Log in | Parent | posted 05:41 pm on 07/19/2007


Can't you just SMELL the stupidity?!?

659 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:46pm

re: #646 bulwrk

re: #636 North95

Oh crap msnbc that settles it then

Yeah, but it's not NBC saying this, they're quoting a court filing by the (I believe Republican) Special Counsel. Maybe they just made it up, but I doubt it.

660 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:51pm

#636 North

from your link.

No one was ever charged with the leak of Plame's name itself, which would have been a crime only if someone knowingly gave our information about someone covered by a specific law protecting the identities of covert agents.

Well that settles it then huh.
This is a huge wast of time.

You wanna explain why these same people love ol' Phil Agee?

661 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:54pm

re: #644 Geekasaurus

Welcome to the rock.

662 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:31:56pm

re: #644 Geekasaurus

Welcome Geekasaurus.

663 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:32:42pm

re: #651 wrathofasma

Anything not lgf is part of the leftwing conspiracy

Is that better for you.

664 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:32:51pm
665 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:33:12pm
666 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:33:49pm
667 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:33:51pm

re: #641 ibmkeyboard

IIRC, in Yiddish, it is 'Bubba Meises'. 'Bubba' and 'Bubbe' are both grandmother, depending on where your family is from..different pronounciations.

It does mean what was said. I don't think it has any connection to the Tractate Baba Mezia...

668 Thanos  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:34:09pm

Welcome new lizards -- hope you enjoy your new powers as part of the vast zionist conspiracy. Just remember it's not polite to ask about your checks until you actually accomplish something ....

About to board here, so I am checking out soon, at the Tampa airport returning home now. The security here btw is impressive, three layers that I detected plus some new layers I noted that I won't speak of.

669 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:34:43pm

OT: I went to see what the DUmmies were saying about the Plame thing, and ran across a post where they were in a snit about msnbc's poll on the LiveAl event. Seems a majority were not looking on it too well, so the DUmmies were sure the freepers were spiking it. Go and vote, just to have a laugh, and hack them off even more.

670 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:35:37pm

re: #668 buzzsawmonkey

Thanks, buzzsaw..you did a much better job of describing it than I could..it just made me livid to see this blood libel.

671 LSD  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:35:50pm

#643 Jammie

It's up to the cities and states now ...

672 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:35:57pm

re: #636 North95

Then they should prosecute Armitage.

#651 wrathofasma

Sadly, everyone here......


Generalize much?

673 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:36:26pm

re: #410 Ward Cleaver

re: #390 North95

I hate to disagree, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot, if a Democratic administration had outed a covert CIA agent, you'd all be calling for treason charges and the death penalty.

I'm on the road, will check back later.

North

Okay, after reading back through your past comments, I apologize for the troll remark.

Thanks, Ward. Even trolls have feeling.
/sarc

I'm really not a troll, I swear.

674 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:36:39pm

re: #655 Thanos

Difficult for me to understand, too..........there actually are non-movement clerics & mosques? That will remain that way? Or, is it that they are the pickle in the middle, forever....?

675 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:36:45pm

re: #663 hous bin pharteen

No one was ever charged with the leak of Plame's name itself, which would have been a crime only if someone knowingly gave our information about someone covered by a specific law protecting the identities of covert agents.

Years before Bush ever heard of her.
Her husband ratted her out at several parties.

My wife is with the CIA, I need a better job.

Yellow cake, is that Duncan hines, or Martha White?

676 bosforus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:37:12pm

there should be a page of commandments that the newcomers have to learn before posting. like, thou shalt quote only that which thou wisheth to respond to

677 Cartman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:37:24pm
This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows jews to lie as long as its to non-jews. Many pro jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it...

I'd very much be interested in some clarification, here.

678 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:37:30pm

re: #662 North95


If NBC prints it it's NBC sayin it.


It's easy to spin using quotes

679 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:38:39pm
680 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:38:47pm

re: #636 North95
What should be done about Plame and Wilson lying to undermine POTUS?

re: #651 wrathofasma
Reputable centers of education do not allow wikipedia for reference. Why should we?

681 Thanos  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:39:05pm

re: #677 Ma Sands

re: #655 Thanos

Difficult for me to understand, too..........there actually are non-movement clerics & mosques? That will remain that way? Or, is it that they are the pickle in the middle, forever....?

There are several councils of mosques in Pakistan, the one on the outs right now is the Saudi deoband division -- the Wafaq Madaris. They were overly sympathetic to the Red Mosque, and during negatiations they blew a possible peace at the last moment by declaring that the land should go to them. After that the shooting really started, as they were still getting in their cars.

Well boarding now, so unplugging to get on the plane.

682 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:39:15pm

re: #654 Silhouette


It's OK I had my seatbelt on

683 JohninLondon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:39:45pm

Harry's Place exposed the BBC's refusal to delete the antisemitic comments :

[Link: hurryupharry.bloghouse.net...]

This was then given wider coverage by the estimable Melanie Phillips - author of "Londonistan" :

[Link: www.melaniephillips.com...]

It has taken two weeks for the BBC to finally back down.

There is abundant evidence that anti US, anti-Israel, anti-business, anti-British values stuff is allowed to be posted on BBC message boards by the moderators - but opposing views are seldom allowed through by the moderators.

684 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:40:21pm

re: #670 NY Nana

re: #641 ibmkeyboard

IIRC, in Yiddish, it is 'Bubba Meises'. 'Bubba' and 'Bubbe' are both grandmother, depending on where your family is from..different pronounciations.
blockquote>

As opposed to 'bubkis' (sp?), which as I understand, literally means 'goat sh*t', which, coincidentally, is about what these dipsticks on the left have to complain about on the Plame thing.
There: brought it back OT.

685 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:40:24pm
686 Beagle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:41:00pm

#608 ibmkeyboard
#626 bikermailman

That's a standard Talmudic slur of the Jews. I think it's a Russian classic like the Protocols. It's controversial because the BBC refuses to delete it while deleting any comment critical of Islam.

A search for Talmud at Google will turn up hundreds of thousands of hits, a depressing number of which are to anti-Semitic sites. However, to our knowledge this is the first extensive English translation of the Talmud to be posted on the Internet.

There's a Baba Metzia...

Don't see anything remotely like the anti-Semitic slur at the BBC website.

687 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:41:59pm

wow I had post 666

/ gulp

688 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:42:10pm

re: #48 Daisy

Is this the same Valerie PLame that regularly outed herself as a
minor CIA employee at dinner parties, the gym, the grocery store etc.
etc. etc. ? Thought so. Good riddance to her and her equally awful
mate.

Her social equivalent, Paris Hilton, is much more amusing and tons more honest.


Yes. & at least Paris is beautiful. Mrs. PLame is dried up. Although, Mrs. ssshhhhhh it's a secret was more than likely air-brushed for her Vanity Fair cover shots.

689 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:42:33pm

#675 easy

.................and I am still waiting for the investigation of Joe Wilson on why this idiot was sent over there to begin with and why he came back and lied about what he found out over there.
Who was he really working for. Who was paying him? Who is paying him?
Why did he go public to hurt the war effort?

690 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:42:56pm

re: #676 North95

Thanks, Ward. Even trolls have feeling.
/sarc

I'm really not a troll, I swear.


I don't think anyone else said you were?

But if they did, flush it.

Gordon is the only true troll,
he has pink lips.

691 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:43:59pm

re: #689 Beagle

Thanks, Beagle

It is a blood libel against the Jews.

692 FightingBack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:44:40pm

Uh, oh. The "new comments" button is placing a quote of the latest post into my comment box.
This sort of thing sometimes happens before LGF goes down. So, remember

FallbackLGF

693 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:44:47pm

re: #690 bulwrk

wow I had post 666

/ gulp

Ahahahahahahaha....don't worry you just get the bonus check from Charles this week...after all, being part of the Zionist conspiracy has some privileges.

/ BUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA (that one is for all the Kos lurkers...)

694 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:44:59pm
695 realwest  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:45:08pm

Test!

696 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:45:20pm

re: #689 Beagle

#608 ibmkeyboard
#626 bikermailman

That's a standard Talmudic slur of the Jews. I think it's a Russian classic like the Protocols. It's controversial because the BBC refuses to delete it while deleting any comment critical of Islam.

A search for Talmud at Google will turn up hundreds of thousands of hits, a depressing number of which are to anti-Semitic sites. However, to our knowledge this is the first extensive English translation of the Talmud to be posted on the Internet.

There's a Baba Metzia...

Don't see anything remotely like the anti-Semitic slur at the BBC website.

I saw somewhere up the thread that they had finally taken them down.

697 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:45:42pm

re: #696 Capt_Faust

sweet

698 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:46:32pm

re: #693 ibmkeyboard

re: #676 North95

Gordon is the only true troll,
he has pink lips.

But, you forgot Nodrog!

699 neverquit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:46:46pm

re: #48 Daisy

Is this the same Valerie Plame that regularly outted herself as a minor CIA employee at dinner parties, the gym, the grocery store etc. etc. etc. ? Thought so. Good riddance to her and her equally awful mate.

Her social equivalent, Paris Hilton, is much more amusing and tons more honest.

ROFLMAO! Well, Plame/Wilson signed a "consulting" deal with Warner Bros. for a movie about all this shit.......I bet Paris Hilton's movies are better! OK, I'll stop, this is a family board.

700 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:47:14pm

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

♥ buzzsaw. Very well done!

701 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:47:25pm

re: #698 realwest

Test!

Flunk!

702 Geekasaurus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:48:56pm

To all who welcomed me.....thanks. I feel at home here. I was a member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy for many, many years before it became fashionable. Now the real question is: can we make it even MORE fashionable?

Actually, there is a difference between 'fashionable' and 'popular'. NASCAR is popular, but it isn't fashionable. Congress is neither fashionable NOR popular. LGF has its own, unique kind of fashion.

Ya know? I think thats where a lot of the left-wing comes from: fashion. Lets face it: fashion trends are set by a very few--whether in clothing or in politics. But there are a few of us (lizardroids all) who don't give a wet slap about fashion, regardless of genre. We think and care deeply about Universal Truth® and not about todays fashions. Thats what separates lizardroids and Plameologists.

703 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:49:04pm

re: #674 LSD

#643 Jammie

It's up to the cities and states now ...

It's up to us. This cannot stand.

Congress switchboard: 202-224-3121

704 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:49:08pm

re: #702 neverquit

re: #48 Daisy

ROFLMAO! Well, Plame/Wilson signed a "consulting" deal with Warner Bros. for a movie about all this shit.......I bet Paris Hilton's movies are better! OK, I'll stop, this is a family board.


Actually, Paris' movie wasn't so 'hot'. Kinda sucked, actually. Well, it was good for a laugh, that is.

705 Beagle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:49:10pm

It reads like UCC Article II... The Talmud isn't quite as zany or madcap as I thought it would be.

706 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:49:25pm

re: #680 Cartman

This is found in the Talmud. There is a law called Baba Mezia which allows Jews to lie as long as its to non-Jews. Many pro Jewish supporters will cringe at this being exposed because they know it exists, yet they keep quiet about it...
I'd very much be interested in some clarification, here.

I've read many of these "quotes" and they are certainly lies. I'm a Jew who went to Hebrew school for six years. It was held for 2 hours three days a week as I remember. That was after regular public school in New York City, in the 60's and 70's.

With that level of education, which is very limited compared to what Orthodox Jews normally do, we didn't get to the level of studying Talmud. We did study the Old Testament in the original Hebrew.

All these quotes from the Islamonazis are totally against what I was taught and are just ridiculous.

Here's a page that refutes many of them: [Link: www.rense.com...]

North

707 ibmkeyboard  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:50:14pm

re: #699 bikermailman

Don't see anything remotely like the anti-Semitic slur at the BBC website.

I saw somewhere up the thread that they had finally taken them down.


Damn Zionists Conspiracy.

Plame was really ratted out by Olmert.

/

708 neverquit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:50:23pm

re: #707 bikermailman

re: #702 neverquit

re: #48 Daisy

ROFLMAO! Well, Plame/Wilson signed a "consulting" deal with Warner Bros. for a movie about all this shit.......I bet Paris Hilton's movies are better! OK, I'll stop, this is a family board.


Actually, Paris' movie wasn't so 'hot'. Kinda sucked, actually. Well, it was good for a laugh, that is.

Yeah, I thought she it sucked pretty well....See, I wanted to stop....

709 Born Again Republican  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:51:10pm

re: #569 LSD

JihadWatch Link to Neal Boortz AUDIO

I wonder if that's why Boortz took a week off? Hannity was just warning him on his show that he has to watch what he says, these were dangerous times to just let it fly. Boortz didn't seem concerned.

710 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:51:16pm
711 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:52:00pm

re: #711 neverquit

re: #707 bikermailman


re: #702 neverquit
Actually, Paris' movie wasn't so 'hot'. Kinda sucked, actually. Well, it was good for a laugh, that is.

Yeah, I thought she it sucked pretty well....See, I wanted to stop....

Yeah, but you can 'neverquit'...hahahhahhahaha

712 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:52:02pm
713 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:52:11pm
714 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:52:12pm

It's not whether you win or lose, but how you gay the Plame.

715 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:53:01pm

re: #716 NY Nana

Re Google? Good news: Google's 2Q Profit Misses Expectations

HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

716 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:53:15pm

Re: Thanos' #671....

...About to board here...at the Tampa airport returning home now. The security here btw is impressive, three layers that I detected plus some new layers I noted that I won't speak of.


Am so curious, what those "new layers" might be.....though I see it is quite well, not to speak of it.....

Posted this in the wee hours this a.m. .......wonder what the dramatic increase in anti-terror assistance to Minnesota is being spent on.....?

717 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:54:13pm

re: #705 Geekasaurus

Ya know? I think thats where a lot of the left-wing comes from: fashion.


Fashion is a status statement. It identifies the elite. That is why the LLL and Continental Europeans are obsessed with it. Must identify the elite.

718 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:54:57pm
719 bulwrk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:55:27pm

re: #713 song_and_dance_man


Great just after Capt_Faust made me feel better.

720 Born Again Republican  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:56:17pm

re: #712 Born Again Republican

re: #569 LSD

JihadWatch Link to Neal Boortz AUDIO

Listening to Boortz hear gave me a charge that reminds me of listening to Stuck Mojo

Well done, Neil!

721 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:56:26pm

Speaking of trumped-up BS stories...

From The Weekly Standard:

The New Republic runs a piece in this week's issue titled "Shock Troops" (sub. req.) and authored by Scott Thomas--described by the magazine as a "pseudonym for a soldier currently serving in Baghdad." "Thomas" is the author of two previous dispatches from Iraq for the New Republic, both of which recount deeply disturbing anecdotes (in one, an Iraqi boy who calls himself James Bond has his tongue cut out for talking to Americans; in the other, dogs feast on a corpse in the street). His latest piece is even more disturbing. It recounts several instances of gross misconduct by the men in his unit, some of which are, to echo the title of his piece, deeply shocking--If they are true--a big if, according to several people with experience in Iraq.

More here, including comments from Michael Yon.

722 Pro-Bush Canuck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:56:26pm

re: #718 bikermailman

Lot's more of that to come. Google cannot possibly ever achieve results to match their current valuation. They would have to become the world's largest corp. by a factor of 4 or more. That simply won't happen.

I've been preparing to short Google for some time.

723 Right Brain  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:57:10pm

She had her day in court and lost.

No surprise to those not trying to hang the Bush administration with this strange saga of career politicians gone haywire.

We know that she was outed 1993-94 by Aldrich Ames, along with virtually every other agent at the time. She was outed by accident a second time in 1997 when a package with her identity was sent by the CIA to the Swiss embassy in Cuba and it was intercepted. (I know, I know!)

Under oath in Congress she declined to claim that she was currently an undercover agent or covert operative, this was the only time she has been asked this question where a misrepresentation would have repercussions. Suffice to say, she was not.

Hopefully this odd person and her very odd husband will now fade from public eye.

They have contributed nothing.

724 therewaslight  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 4:59:16pm

An International Call To Academics and Professionals From Nobel Laureates and University Presidents To Stand In Solidarity With Our Israeli Academic and Professional Colleagues

We are academics, scholars, researchers and professionals of differing religious and political perspectives. We all agree that singling out Israelis for an academic boycott is wrong. To show our solidarity with our Israeli academics in this matter, we, the undersigned, hereby declare ourselves to be Israeli academics for purposes of any academic boycott. We will regard ourselves as Israeli academics and decline to participate in any activity from which Israeli academics are excluded.

725 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:00:29pm

re: #718 bikermailman

I wish it were more! Here's hoping!

726 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:05:17pm

re: #726 Right Brain

Hopefully this odd person and her very odd husband will now fade from public eye.

They have contributed nothing.

Well, if my guess is correct she'll follow mama moonbats' steps and show up again and again....and again. Much like a bad penny.

Your wrong about contributed nothing though...our tax dollars just paid for an entirely useless legal case, not to mention the power bill for all those white house press briefings...and so on and so on... :D

/ Can I sue her for wasting my tax dollars?

728 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:06:50pm

Interesting.

Valerie Hilton.
The lawsuite was brought by some group called CREW according to Mark Levin.
They are tied to Hilary Clinton

Why that is strange.
Maybe not.

Joe Wilson
1985–1986: Congressional Fellow, offices of Senator Al Gore and Representative Tom Foley
1997–1998: Special Assistant to President Bill Clinton and Senior Director for African Affairs, National Security Council, Washington, D.C.

In retrospect, I was naïve in thinking that a mature democracy like ours would naturally embrace the rule of law and engage in polite discourse instead of the law of tooth and claw I had seen operate abroad. In this case, the shameless lust for power, and the genuine hatred among the right wing for Bill Clinton, just overwhelmed the Democrats. I was appalled by the gutter tactics of the out-of-state rabble that bullied public servants and intimidated them into stopping the recount of ballots in Miami-Dade County. I had railed against such conduct in flawed elections in Africa, and disliked it just as much in my own country.

Wilsons politics

Although I had voted for the candidate who ultimately lost the election, I assumed hopefully, and naïvely again, that once in office George W. Bush and his experienced team would curb the excesses of the extremists, and that the country would be in good hands. Valerie and I even attended a swank inauguration reception on Pennsylvania Avenue where we looked down on the president's parade route and celebrated with Bush supporters the peaceful transition of power that is the hallmark of our democracy.

In 2003 Wilson began to support and formally endorsed John Kerry for president, donated $2,000 to his campaign, and served as an advisor to and speechwriter for the campaign in 2003 and 2004. He has made contributions to the campaigns of Democratic candidates, such as Senator Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts and Congressman Charles B. Rangel of New York, and to Republican Congressman Ed Royce of California

729 Paratrooper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:09:36pm

Bottom Line: She was never "covert".

She's was a glorified secretary .... case closed!

731 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:11:38pm

I'm sure this has gone around. I just wanted to get in my 2 cents.

FUCK JOHN KERRY

732 Earthwirm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:11:47pm

I wanted to bring this to Charles' attention.

Youtube (the leftist and jihadi hangout) claims to be impartial, etc for the You Choose edition of their site. Yet the Youtube debates are for Democrats only / first etc. But I digress. I am a big fan of Rudy Giuliani as are others. But you go to his section and click his videos they are rated very low and comments that praise Rudy are marked as spam and hidden. What's up with that?

733 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:13:23pm

re: #731 hous bin pharteen

Not sure if this is it: Hillary Clinton's CREW? Watchdogs Mimic Judicial Watch, Hound GOP

734 Kreuzueber Halbmond  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:13:51pm

re: #729 Capt_Faust

/ Can I sue her for wasting my tax dollars?

Tax $ Wasted = Salary × Years of Bureaucratic Employment + Cost of Congressional Hearings + Cost of Justice Dept. Investigation

I'd say the b**ch owes us plenty.

735 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:14:04pm

re: #731 hous bin pharteen

That is interesting. I think it was Drudge which had a link to Wilson's web page dedicating full support to the hillary campaign. He mentioned working with hill for a decade.

736 Beagle  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:14:48pm

re: #697 buzzsawmonkey

re: #689 Beagle

This antisemitic slur had an entire thread devoted to it last week.

My own comments begin here.


Figures Charles caught it. So we learned the Internet is full of fake Talmudic slurs against the Jews. This particular section deals with various aspects of commercial and civil law. And, shocka, the BBC was carrying the anti-Semitic torch as long as possible.

737 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:15:12pm

John Kerry wants to change history to suit his selfish needs. I see a trend here.

738 FrogMarch  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:16:33pm

re: #735 Earthwirm

I wanted to bring this to Charles' attention.

Youtube (the leftist and jihadi hangout) claims to be impartial, etc
for the You Choose edition of their site. Yet the Youtube debates are
for Democrats only / first etc. But I digress. I am a big fan of Rudy
Giuliani as are others. But you go to his section and click his videos
they are rated very low and comments that praise Rudy are marked as
spam and hidden. What's up with that?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

I think you answered your own question. Leftists want to shut down free speech. Leftists want us all dead.

739 RightOfAtilla  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:16:41pm

This war on two (minimum) fronts, the islamnazis on one front and their comrades, the local partisans/democrats/LLL on the other is wearying. May we take the fight to them and may justice and truth prevail.
That Plame/Wilson ever made "news" is just as frustrating that Cindy Sheehan ever made "news".

740 Render  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:16:56pm

re: #709 North95

Do you really know who and what you just linked too?

WISE
UP
QUICKLY,
R

741 Earthwirm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:17:16pm

#741

Rhetorical question more than a real question.

742 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:17:58pm

re: #731 hous bin pharteen

Just found this one too...

Clinton teases the press again
Using a DVD mailer on Iraq Democratic candidate avoids the airwaves

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

...With this week's DVD, she presents a more thorough explanation of her plan for Iraq. The DVD features former presidential candidate and Iowa Gov. Tom Vilsack (D), who is likely to carry some weight with voters in his home state; former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, who is popular with Democrats opposed to the war; and an "anti-war caucus-goer," whose presence in the video could be a particular boost to Clinton given Edwards' antiwar message and his popularity in Iowa...

743 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:18:37pm

re: #731 hous bin pharteen

In this case, the shameless lust for power, and the genuine hatred among the right wing for Bill Clinton, just overwhelmed the Democrats. I was appalled by the gutter tactics of the out-of-state rabble that bullied public servants and intimidated them into stopping the recount of ballots in Miami-Dade County.

Although I had voted for the candidate who ultimately lost the election, I assumed hopefully, and naïvely again, that once in office George W. Bush and his experienced team would curb the excesses of the extremists, and that the country would be in good hands. Valerie and I even attended a swank inauguration reception on Pennsylvania Avenue where we looked down on the president's parade route and celebrated with Bush supporters the peaceful transition of power that is the hallmark of our democracy.

This man is a grade A tool...one more hate-filled partisan bureaucrat filling the positions in Washington. I hate it when "big" hoity-toity elites somehow decide that only they know how to view the world. This putz and his wife have sidetracked millions from the war effort, and have added nothing but aid and comfort to the enemy. In the words of KOS, "screw them"...

/ I hope this elitist former bureaucrat gets what he deserves...a fading into the nothingness of elite history...all his narcissistic jaunts and uncontrolled outbursts are forgotten, and he joins the many in the ash bin of history.

744 Paratrooper  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:20:24pm

re: #740 FrogMarch

John Kerry wants to change history to suit his selfish needs. I see a trend here.

Congratulations .... you just defined the mission statement for the democrat party

745 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:23:02pm

Did you'all see the update, at the bottom of the comments,on the scarf post below....? :) --the scarf has been utterly pulled out of the catalogue, with an apology! :)

746 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:23:08pm
747 tankdemon  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:23:48pm

The only real question is "What took the judge so long?"

748 gymnast  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:24:15pm

Joe Wilson, one of the UC Santa Barbara Arabists. Do a web search and see for yourself.

749 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:25:05pm

Did anybody see the moron on the O'Reilly Factor? The Reverend Uni? What's she reverent of - that's a frickin' oxymoron if I've ever heard one.

What stupid parent but a lib would let that idiot who wants the word "uterus" taught to kindergarteners? I wouldn't let that crazy bitch within 10 miles of my children.

I absolutely hate what we are doing to young kids in America. We don't even let small children have fun anymore. No wonder so many kids are so screwed up, so many good teachers frustrated, and so many public schools down the toilet.

750 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:25:33pm

re: #737 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I'd say the b**ch owes us plenty.

Indeed...

Now if you and I ran the news...

Perhaps someone can call the NY Post and have that quote placed on the front, coupled with an unflattering pic of the unhappy people...

/Hey, a Lizard can dream right?

751 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:25:42pm

Obama continues to push sex education onto Kindergarteners (no doubt including homosexual normalization exercises like "Why Johnny has Two Daddies")! And what is the natural end result? Why, children taking hormones to postpone puberty for their pre-teen sex changes! Yup, that's the latest trend in the city by the Gay. If you liberals wonder what we conservatives mean when we say "San Francisco values", well, this is it. Now do you understand why we don't want you perverts in power or anywhere near our children?

752 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:26:22pm

'Hary Potter'? Harry Schmotter! Here is the real best seller..Nancy Pelosi to Publish Memoir

Bet she will equal Mother Sheehag in popularity, as Sheehag tries to take her seat in the Senate..either way, it's a lose-lose proposition...but maybe the Demonrats will make it required reading. Lovely ladies./

753 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:27:26pm

re: #740 FrogMarch

John Kerry wants to change history to suit his selfish needs. I see a trend here.

he's utterly useless, except for marrying for his supper. he was ask once by some media person, to describe himself in 5 words. his reply was " the sexiest politician in america" absurd, pathetic and ridiculous.

754 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:27:42pm

re: #743 Render

re: #709 North95

Do you really know who and what you just linked too?

WISE
UP
QUICKLY,
R

Ummmm, no, not really. Just quickly found and read that first page, which seemed reasonable enough.

Following another link, I see something different. Something weird.

755 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:27:42pm
756 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:28:39pm

re: #752 goodbye_natalie

You, too? She actually also used the word 'vulva'. Bet she has an autographed copy of Shrillary's 'It takes a village'

757 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:28:53pm

re: #748 Ma Sands

hey ma, how are you doing?

758 Geekasaurus  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:28:58pm

re: #720 easy

re: #720 easy

re: #705 Geekasaurus


Fashion is a status statement. It identifies the elite. That is why the LLL and Continental Europeans are obsessed with it. Must identify the elite.

And once having been identified, then what? OH THATS RIGHT....they believe themselves SIGNIFICANT. They are fashionable because they are significant, and significant because they are fashionable.

This is what Plame is all about. She is fashionable amongst the chattering people. And whatever a fashionable person says or does is significant. Evidently, this is her own way to promotion...self-promotion. Lets face it: she married a loser. Evidently, this is a case of 'sweets for the sweet' or 'loser for losers'. The only way this sad, underperforming woman could advance her career and social status is by becoming a victim.....A VICTIM OF THE BUSH CONSPIRACY!

How sad. How very sad. Most of the rest of us succeed by our talents and abilities. She and Wilson can only succeed by being victims.

Does anyone else see how SAD this woman is?

759 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:32:55pm

re: #743 Render

re: #709 North95

Do you really know who and what you just linked too?

WISE
UP
QUICKLY,
R

Oops, apparantly that's a truly wacky source.

760 Earthwirm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:32:57pm

It does look like indeed a republican version will be held in September.

Anyways. Watching a preview of the questions out there. Makes me sick. Democrats are all about gimme gimme gimme. As if the Gov't is supposed to force banks to operate branches in low income areas...

761 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:33:39pm

re: #758 buzzsawmonkey

LOL. You know, I have a real beef with libs but I got an even bigger beef when it starts concerning their manipulating somebody else's kids.

Everything the libs touch turns to shiite - from public schools to economics. Why anybody would vote for libs continues to astound me.

762 neverquit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:35:25pm

re: #720 easy

re: #705 Geekasaurus

Ya know? I think thats where a lot of the left-wing comes from: fashion.


Fashion is a status statement. It identifies the elite. That is why the LLL and Continental Europeans are obsessed with it. Must identify the elite.

Well put. All about the look and not the substance.

I lived, worked and traveled Europe. I engaged in many discussions with the natives on dozens of occasions. When confronted with their arrogance, I always sought refuge in the sordid history of Europe - the very thing they are most proud of, I used against them, time and again. I'll say this, most of the time, after these discussions, I always departed on friendly terms.

763 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:36:11pm

If you ask me the whole Wilson/Niger/Plame thing looks way more like a political stunt by the Clintons to help her presidential run than it does any conspiracy to get even with Wilson. I guess it did not work to well. She chickened out to wait for 08 It is telling that it was his wife at CIA who pushed for him to go to Niger, yet she lied about it being her.

Where is that investigation?

NY NANA.

That looks like it.
I was just listening to Levin and he explained it.
I did not read it on the web.

764 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:37:28pm

re: #752 goodbye_natalie

What stupid parent but a lib would let that idiot who wants the word "uterus" taught to kindergarteners? I wouldn't let that crazy bitch within 10 miles of my children.

I absolutely hate what we are doing to young kids in America.

I don't think you're angry enough yet. Follow my second link in post #754.

765 Render  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:37:33pm

re: #762 North95

Wacky doesn't begin to describe the veiled hatred of Jews that is Jeff Rense and company...

[Link: rensewatch.blogspot.com...]

If you found something on that site that was positive in favor of Judaism, then Rence screwed something up.

WANNA
MULLIGAN?,
R

766 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:38:18pm

re: #759 NY Nana

I tell you Nana, maybe I am just square or something but I didn't know what vulva or uterus was when I was five and I didn't seem to have problem with sex when I became an adult.

If we keep listening to libs, we will lose an entire generation of children.

767 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:38:35pm

OT, but heh.

Money quote ?

"They don't even try," says Prof. Segalstad. "They simply dismiss evidence that is, for all intents and purposes, irrefutable. Instead, they substitute their faith, constructing a kind of science fiction or fantasy world in the process. The IPCC postulates an atmospheric doubling of CO2, meaning that the oceans would need to receive 50 times more CO2 to obtain chemical equilibrium. This total of 51 times the present amount of carbon in atmospheric CO2 exceeds the known reserves of fossil carbon – it represents more carbon than exists in all the coal, gas, and oil that we can exploit anywhere in the world."

768 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:38:46pm

North95

So you don't even know the credibiliyy of the sources you are using, but you post them here as fact?

Hello?

Anybody home?

769 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:40:55pm

re: #767 Lizard by the Bay

Oh, I read this earlier today. Along with his proposal for universal health care abortion. I say we start with Obama retroactively.

But remember safe, legal and rare! A liar, a lightweight and a hypocrite all in one.

770 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:41:38pm
771 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:41:42pm

re: #754 Lizard by the Bay
And what is the natural end result? Why, children taking hormones to postpone puberty for their pre-teen sex changes! Yup, that's the latest trend in the city by the Gay. If you liberals wonder what we conservatives mean when we say "San Francisco values", well, this is it. Now do you understand why we don't want you perverts in power or anywhere near our children?

What in HELLS name is THAT! This is a small child who has no idea about basic arithmetic, and has no clue as to how the world works, and somehow the child needs to...I can't even say it.....and NOW its gender disorder? WTF?

/ Seriously WTF? WTF? WTF? WTF? This is some Bull S*#T and a half!

772 Earthwirm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:42:41pm

Wow. Watching the first couple dozen questions that are being submitted looks like hardball and not so much gimme gimme. Of course there will be gimme gimme questions and those will probably be the ones that will be asked.

773 Lizard by the Bay  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:44:03pm

re: #772 goodbye_natalie

Yes, but my second link wasn't about Obama, it was about parents who seek a "transgendered" lifestyle for their small, pre-teen children, including giving them drugs to prevent puberty! And if we dare call it what it is (the sickest child abuse known to man), we're the ones labeled intolerant.

774 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:45:08pm

re: #761 Geekasaurus

re: #720 easy

re: #720 easy

re: #705 Geekasaurus

They are fashionable because they are significant, and significant because they are fashionable.

This is what Plame is all about. She is fashionable amongst the chattering people. And whatever a fashionable person says or does is significant.

Well said...

And Welcome aboard new hatching...I think you'll fit in just fine here in the Lizard Army...

775 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:47:05pm

Here's a direct link to the ruling. Mighty illuminating and Armitage is featured, though he's not in jeopardy of being sued by Plame and Wilson despite having leaked the name. Heh!

776 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:47:10pm

re: #760 nyc redneck

I am doing just great --the dentist is making my teeth look as white and strong, and, most importantly --all there! -- as much as my young son's did when he got married six months ago & his bride's sister made him strive for whitening..... :) Well, you asked.... :)

777 zmdavid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:47:34pm

re: #755 NY Nana

The book, currently untitled, will be written with a collaborator "yet to be determined," according to Doubleday.


How about:
The Bug Eyed Woman by Nancy Pelosi with Stephen King?

778 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:48:04pm

OT-

SiCKO patients got VIP treatment in Cuba

HAVANA (Reuters) - Three New York rescue workers injured in the September 11 attacks got the best treatment Cuba can offer in Michael Moore's film critique of U.S. health care, the Cuban doctors who attended them said this week.

The 9/11 responders spent 10 days on the 19th floor of Cuba's flagship hospital with a view of the Caribbean sea, a sharp contrast to many Cuban hospitals that are crumbling, badly lit, and which lack equipment and medicines.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

779 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:48:07pm

Sorry, made a mistake. Probably won't be my last.

780 LC LaWedgie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:49:21pm

re: #768 Render

In North95's defense, that Jeff Rense page actually does have a posted rebuttal.

Here's a link to the actual page at Geocities.

Whodathunk?

781 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:49:26pm

re: #769 goodbye_natalie

Same here. The one thing I did teach my kids was the proper terms for bodily functions, and was actually thanked by the teachers and the school RN (I am a retired RN, and remembered what it was like during my 3 months of pediatric nursing as a student...oy!) because the kids would thus be able to explain if there was a problem. And they were amused at the terms their classmates used.

This has ensued because Barak Hussein Obama wanted sex education to start in kindergarten..and you will see how his shills tried to retract in the article..aka damage control.

If this is where we are going, as a society? G-d help us.

782 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:50:17pm

re: #776 Lizard by the Bay

Oh, you're right. I didn't see it? So can somebody explain to me how this isn't the most severe form of child abuse? Why don't the parents wrap a suicide vest around them?

This is why I don't own a gun. But I'm getting much closer to purchasing one.

783 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:50:22pm
784 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:52:08pm

i love all this talk and speculation abt. FASHION. lol. this is my line of work and you all have it so figured out. this is what i'm up against. shallow, pathetic people who just want to follow trends and fit in. it's all surface, nothing deep going on for the most part. they also follow the easy liberal line of bull shit, because their thinking is done for them. and they wear what they're told to wear because they can't look in a mirror and see how bad they actually look because the dope that produced their garb doesn't give a shit abt. how they look. and don't get me started on quality construction. please.

785 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:52:09pm

re: #773 buzzsawmonkey

Buzz, LOL. I'm telling you, you're missing you're true calling.

786 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:52:30pm

re: #781 Odinist

I'm very happy to see the MSM reporting that.

787 MacGregor  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:52:40pm

Welcome Geekasaurus!
And popular fashion is driven by the media. That is why I will pre-emptively declare my self a transgenderednonpubescentophobe.

788 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:53:14pm
789 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:54:50pm
790 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:55:38pm

re: #780 zmdavid

ROTFL!

The Bug Eyed Woman by Nancy Pelosi with Stephen King™?

There you go! Perfect!

791 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:55:56pm

re: #789 Killgore Trout

Yeah, I never expected it either... Especially from Reuters!

But stranger things have happened, I guess!

792 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:56:31pm

Jet Blue Capitulates To Bill O'Reilly -Update: yKos Investigating


This was a bitterly disturbing spectacle to watch. By giving in to O'Reilly's bullying, JetBlue has validated his tactics and provided him with an opportunity to don his smug face and declare victory. This capitulation also implies that O'Reilly was correct about his assertions that DailyKos is a hate-filled smear site that is comparable to the KKK and the Nazis (which he repeated this evening).
....
Update II: Hold your fire.

Kos comments:

Not true

O'Reilly is wrong.

If O'Riley weren't inept this would all be over.

793 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:56:33pm

re: #709 North95

North please do not link to Rense as a source. They are a notorious antisemitic site.

Nothing in the page you point to supports anything other than the opposite side of the argument in your comment

794 zmdavid  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:57:47pm

re: #786 buzzsawmonkey
Actually, it will be written by a collaborator about a collaborator and for an audience of collaborators.

795 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:57:53pm

re: #783 LC LaWedgie

re: #768 Render

In North95's defense, that Jeff Rense page actually does have a posted rebuttal.

Here's a link to the actual page at Geocities.

Whodathunk?


The page I sited had the same quotes and the same rebuttals as the above link. The page I cited had the rebuttals all the way at the bottom.

796 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:57:59pm

re: #791 buzzsawmonkey

Good point, sadly. But with so many libs polluting the schools and universities? I am seriously concerned for kids today, and for my 3 grandkids...I would not put it past the teachers to show videos....

797 Killgore Trout  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:58:21pm

re: #794 Odinist

They almost have to now, these facts are too easy to check and the blogs reported all this stuff last month. It really effects their credibility if they don't report that stuff.

798 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:59:12pm

re: #785 goodbye_natalie


This is why I don't own a gun. But I'm getting much closer to purchasing one.

You don't purchase a firearm because you get angry (unless you intend to cool off at the range, which I've done on occasion)...you purchase a firearm (or 2 or 3...) because there are strange people out there and your family needs your protection from them. Strange irrational people like these negligent parents, or the moonbats who advocate the overthrow of the west for isLAm. Imagine if somehow an entire bureaucratic system was filled with the same asinine group-think of these child abusing parents...and somehow they want to take your kids for their "proper" education...

That is when the weapon becomes the great equalizer against the tyranny of the insane.

/ Then you hop into the jeep, head to the mountain, and join the other smart Lizards already there...

799 nyc redneck  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:59:17pm

re: #779 Ma Sands

re: #760 nyc redneck

I am doing just great --the dentist is making my teeth look as white and strong, and, most importantly --all there! -- as much as my young son's did when he got married six months ago & his bride's sister made him strive for whitening..... :) Well, you asked.... :)

it's nice to have all your teeth, i watched so many of my relatives teeth fall out due to neglect. i do have all mine tho and i think i'll try whitening too. why not? oh my god, my dentist is at 41st and park ave. well, she's a block away from the explosion i better call her.

800 Tin Man  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 5:59:35pm

re: #536 bulwrk

Thank You. I needed the smile that generated.

801 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:00:20pm

re: #796 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I think that it is a prime candidate for banning. Check it's LGF. It is not a newby..so far, we seem to have a great bunch of hatchlings!

He is getting on my last nerve.

802 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:00:58pm
803 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:01:38pm

re: #792 buzzsawmonkey

Missed a few of them myself friend. Still say you can write much better than 99.99% of the folks calling themselves journalists. Ever thought about picking a subject you feel passionate about and taking a shot?

804 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:01:38pm

Hannity and girly man?

They will be discussing sex education for little kids....

805 FightingBack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:02:31pm

re: #785 goodbye_natalie

This infantile "gender identity disorder" is a very rare thing. Isn't it highly coincidental that the child was raised by two Mommies? Could some sort of psychological conditioning have influenced this?

806 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:02:32pm
807 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:02:52pm

re: #790 MacGregor

I will pre-emptively declare my self a transgenderednonpubescentophobe.


? A HAHAHAH LOL...nice.

Add that to the list of other "phobias" the quacks can diagnose me with...apparently I can store up a lot of hate, against a whooooollle lot of people (according to the moonbats mentality)

808 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:03:20pm
809 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:03:28pm

re: #800 Killgore Trout

Now if it would only effect M. Moore's 'credibility' as well...

I still can't see why people flock to the guy's movies after he has been discredited so many times... BDS and a base hatred of all the USA stands for is all I can think of...

810 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:03:57pm

North sorry for piling on the thread was so long I did not check to see you had set things right.....
as Jar Jar Binks would say meeesah sorry

811 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:04:09pm

re: #785 goodbye_natalie

re: #776 Lizard by the Bay

Oh, you're right. I didn't see it? So can somebody explain to me how this isn't the most severe form of child abuse? Why don't the parents wrap a suicide vest around them?

Seems to me that it's the next step of devolution, after we let deaf "parents" select for embryos with congenital deafness so as to preserve "deaf culture."

(And no, I'm not making that up, either.)

812 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:05:13pm

re: #805 buzzsawmonkey

There have already been attempted rapes and molestations of and by kids around 9 years of age....

What a world we are making for the future leaders of our country.

Our universities are frightening, and it is leaking down to the public schools.

813 lawhawk  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:05:47pm

re: #800 Killgore Trout

It was reported on blogs last month, and going back years now actually. Every time some big media outlet heads to Havana to do some stock reporting on how nice things are down there, they always throw in a few lines about the health care system without actually noting where the locals are going for their health care.

814 Tin Man  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:06:26pm

re: #404 Capt_Faust
I was in a collage class with one of the Boat People (quite a while ago). It was a public speaking class and he spoke about leaving Vietnam. The only dry eyes in the house were the Loony Liberals who thought he was making it up, because "things like that really don't happen". Most of his family was killed or "reeducated" He watched his sister and uncle get gunned down on the beach while waiting for the next boat out to the freighter. He was on the boat out as the freighter left when the shooting started. His entire family were all teachers or farmers.
He got an A from the professor.

815 easy  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:07:04pm

I think people are beginning to tire of Al Mikey.

816 Mike C.  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:07:12pm

re: #801 Capt_Faust

/ Then you hop into the jeep, head to the mountain, and join the other smart Lizards already there...

I'm sorry, but that is just wrong in so many ways. No, you don't run off and hide in the wilderness. You stand your ground and fight. Many folks do important stuff that just isn't done in the wilderness, so what are they to do ? Give up ? Bullshit.

817 Ma Sands  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:09:02pm

re: #802 nyc redneck

Well, I'm glad I brought to mind there might be a contraindication.....I hope it turns out your dentist was not affected, at least physically, by the accident.....

818 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:09:37pm

re: #808 FightingBack

re: #785 goodbye_natalie

This infantile "gender identity disorder" is a very rare thing. Isn't it highly coincidental that the child was raised by two Mommies? Could some sort of psychological conditioning have influenced this?

I note with some interest that it was a couple of deaf lesbians that wanted to select for deafness in the article I linked to above.

(Can we please leave the breeding to us "breeders", hmm?)

819 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:09:40pm

re: #796 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

re: #709 North95

North please do not link to Rense as a source. They are a notorious antisemitic site.

Nothing in the page you point to supports anything other than the opposite side of the argument in your comment

Well, besides that, there are the ads for the mind-bending paranormal experiences, the What Nasa isn't telling you About Mars Book, UFO's over British Columbia etc.

So, no, I promise, I will never quote from Rence again.

820 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:10:43pm

re: #814 Dar ul Harb

A deaf lesbian couple in the United States have deliberately created a deaf child. Sharon Duchesneau and Candy McCullough used their own sperm donor, a deaf friend with five generations of deafness in his family. Like others in the deaf community, Duchesneau and McCullough don't see deafness as a disability. They see being deaf as defining their cultural identity and see signing as a sophisticated, unique form of communication.

So where do I start to sigh and shake my head about this article?

821 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:10:46pm
822 Wishing  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:10:49pm

wow...same thread!

823 Tin Man  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:11:32pm

re: #799 NY Nana

Check out the education system in Oregon, they did show videos in a Portland High School (very clinical from what I was told). It's really a weird State on that subject. My High school required a Health / Sex ed course, but they were not allowed to discuss any birth control methods (not even abstinence) and we were not allowed to read or discuss certain parts of the text in class. I am talking from a late 70's point of view here, but I don't think it has changed much.

824 Carridine  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:11:52pm

re: #819 Mike C.

Second Mike C's observation:

It takes courage, dedication to principle and real patriotism to stand and fight, even if only online or at the checkout stand or in the commute to work...

Running to the hills, either figuratively or literally, is GIVING UP the battlefield!

825 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:12:27pm
826 GeeWiz  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:13:15pm

re: #437 Capt_Faust

I agree with Mandy on her assessment of your post @372. Reading it drew me into the situation as if I was there. Thank you for a most excellent post. If that was zoning out, as you claimed, please do it more often. Kudos!

827 kevinmumaw  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:14:06pm

re: #40 kpom

haha. KBR Prisons. That is hillarious. Out of the mouth of babes. KBR can't even feed troops properly, let alone set up prisons.

828 Roger  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:15:00pm

#827 Carridine

Without a new, inclusive majority political party, the hills are all we got:-)

829 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:16:09pm

re: #819 Mike C.

re: #801 Capt_Faust

/ Then you hop into the jeep, head to the mountain, and join the other smart Lizards already there...
No, you don't run off and hide in the wilderness. You stand your ground and fight. Many folks do important stuff that just isn't done in the wilderness, so what are they to do ? Give up ? Bullshit.

Originally it was meant as a tung in cheek comment but I did not label it as such and for that I apologize...but if the s*#t hits the fan, it would be better to fight in a group...as individuals a group just needs to track you down and eliminate you one at a time. Fighting in well coordinated small groups is another question and statement for another time, but a group is needed nonetheless, for support, moral, etc...

I happen to be stuck working in a major metropolitan area, and yes it would be tough to leave to the wilderness, but think of the idea of fleeing in the jeep as an analogy to finding a proper group to fight with.

830 ec marm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:20:14pm

re: #809 buzzsawmonkey

Constantly. I'm just trying to figure out who to submit to.

If you ever want to start your own blog, just to test the waters, let me know. I'd be glad to help, gratis.

831 Roger  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:21:51pm

#832 Capt_Faust

Preparation at this stage is accomplished as in #832. Push the current two failed parties to the point they start the fight; not us. Without organizing a new political party as our form of government not only allows but encourages as the way forward, we show we aren't serious about fixing our government.

832 Roger  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:22:28pm

# 834 ed: as in #831.

833 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:22:31pm

re: #827 Carridine

re: #819 Mike C.

Second Mike C's observation:
Running to the hills, either figuratively or literally, is GIVING UP the battlefield!

See my other post...

Tactics people, Tactics...rushing headlong into battle with no support, and no one at your side in will get you killed in a heartbeat...

/ Next time I'm labeling all my final "bottom" comments...

834 Render  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:22:43pm

re: #822 North95

Hang in there North, this is a tough room and a very tough crowd.

FACTS WILL
BE CHECKED,
R

835 Tin Man  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:24:46pm

re: #828 buzzsawmonkey

OH WOW! That explains so much! I went to school in the predominately Red-Neck Southern Oregon, so there wasn't a lot of "sissy" stuff tolerated. This meant lots of practical classes (shop, cooking, broadcasting, Sports, More Sports, etc.) and only a few College prep classes (History, English, ). Every thing else was dedicated to sports. I got hit by a bunch of changes to classes and courses as I went through High School. They dropped 2 History classes in favor of Latin American culture, they dropped Latin Language and cut back on German Language to add Spanish classes. They cut back on all the Science classes for other stuff.
Thank you for that info. it really explains a lot. That and SPORTS above all made High School rough for a Navy Brat and Geek (er. back then I was called a Nerd).

836 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:25:04pm

re: #824 buzzsawmonkey

I am saving your post to go over later..excellent, and you do write beautifully. It is a gift.

837 Carridine  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:25:29pm

re: #831 Roger

You may be correct, Roger...

That's one reason I investigated the Baha'i Faith... a functional, inclusive administration that WORKS, in every nation of the human world, today.

And HAS, since the 1960's...

838 Roger  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:25:31pm

Marcus Luttrell for President, 2008!

839 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:26:04pm

re: #833 ec marm

I agree with you...and you ain't chopped liver yourself!

840 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:26:41pm

re: #829 GeeWiz

Why thank you very much...

It is unfortunate that I am presently at work, so I manage to type quickly and then run off for a moment (and that seems to get me in all kinds of trouble, misspellings and all). There were many details in my thought that could have easily fleshed out my earlier post, but I neglected to put them in due to time constraints. But if people like it, who knows what the future will bring...

/Cheers :)

841 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:29:45pm

re: #823 Capt_Faust

So where do I start to sigh and shake my head about this article?

Perhaps with the fact it's from 2002.

Happy 5th birthday, little guy.

(Sorry, I don't know sign language.)

842 Tin Man  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:30:04pm

re: #824 buzzsawmonkey

My wife loves the old black and white movies. There was just as much Sex (actual or implied) in some of them as in some of the current batch of films. The were just very discrete about it, and often subtle enough that you were allowed to interpret the events how you wanted.

843 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:30:04pm

re: #804 NY Nana

re: #796 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

I think that it is a prime candidate for banning. Check it's LGF. It is not a newby..so far, we seem to have a great bunch of hatchlings!

He is getting on my last nerve.

The truth is, I have disagreed with the group before, and haven't been banned. I hope that's not Charle's only criterion. I don't think it is.

If it is, then I suppose I will be banned.

844 NY Nana  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:31:17pm

re: #826 Tin Man

Ouch! What is it with the Left Coast?

BTW, I am talking from the perspective of someone who's youngest kid graduated from High School in 1990. :) I did, in 1955.

A different world. IIRC, my 4 kids did get a very PC education in gym class..1 or 2 classes, and they were in male and female groups. What they do now? Not a clue!

845 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:31:31pm

re: #834 Roger

Well we better start doing something soon, even if it is just stockpiling ammo...

This is a conversation for a beer, and a nice 45 min cigar (perhaps a hand rolled Dominican...)

/ I detest the fact I'm stuck at work sometimes...no laptop to take outside and smoke a stogie...

846 Capt_Faust  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:33:14pm

re: #844 Dar ul Harb

re: #823 Capt_Faust

So where do I start to sigh and shake my head about this article?
Perhaps with the fact it's from 2002.

Happy 5th birthday, little guy.

(Sorry, I don't know sign language.)

Ouch...thats for me not looking at the date...and LOL at your comments for the kid...

thanks for the laugh (albeit most of it was at myself...)

847 North95  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:33:22pm

re: #837 Render

re: #822 North95

Hang in there North, this is a tough room and a very tough crowd.

FACTS WILL
BE CHECKED,
R

Thanks, Render

848 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:34:21pm
849 infidel4life  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:36:50pm

This lying traitor bitch can kiss my patriotic ass.

850 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:40:36pm
851 neverquit  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:40:51pm

Mis-informative headline of the day:

Outed spy Plame may not sue White House: US judge

gotta love the AFP.

852 ec marm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:43:29pm

re: #851 buzzsawmonkey

re: #833 ec marm

Thanks--I may take you up on that.


I may have goaded Babba into starting. I sent her the p/w to my blog and let her fool around for a while and see how simple it really is. But there are ways, based on a decent readership, to make more than a little pocket change. Which may not be anyones primary motivation, but can be a nice little reward.

853 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:50:10pm

re: #855 ec marm

Is setting up a blog time consuming? Or does it depend on the complexity of the blog?

854 ec marm  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 6:56:29pm

re: #856 Odinist

re: #855 ec marm

Is setting up a blog time consuming? Or does it depend on the complexity of the blog?

All I can tell you is that WordPress adds something like 100,000 new blogs to its rolls every month. Most of them are pretty pathetic because a lot of people can't write. I'm sure that would not be the case with Buzzsawmonkey. There is an initial learning curve which requires some time. After you get past that point it's no worse than sending an e-mail to a friend.

855 strandedsf  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:00:32pm

I think this might be the longest thread I've ever seen on LGF.

856 GeeWiz  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:05:23pm

re: #698 realwest

Damn, that's the second test on this thread. I guess I should study more.

857 Odinist  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:06:01pm

re: #857 ec marm

Really? Interesting...

I'll have to look into it- thank you!

858 bikermailman  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:06:56pm

Nah, it's hit over 1,000 recently.

859 wanumba  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:15:40pm

See that the media is holding up their end of the fraud.
CIA "Operative" rather than CIA "employee."

"Plame, the wife of former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, had accused Vice President Dick Cheney and others of conspiring to leak her identity in 2003. Plame said that violated her privacy rights and was illegal retribution for her husband’s criticism of the administration.

Plame’s attorneys had said the lawsuit would be an uphill battle. Public officials are normally immune from such lawsuits filed in connection with their jobs."

What are we to make of that? The Wilsons knew from the get-go the suit had no sleeves or pants. So, was the purpose just to create material for the media to use to attack the Bush administration?

Maybe the former Mlle Plame IS covert after all. For the shadow government.

860 abu_garcia  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:15:44pm

re: #770 Mike C.

OT, but heh.

Money quote ?


"They don't even try," says Prof. Segalstad. "They simply dismiss evidence that is, for all intents and purposes, irrefutable. Instead, they substitute their faith, constructing a kind of science fiction or fantasy world in the process. The IPCC postulates an atmospheric doubling of CO2, meaning that the oceans would need to receive 50 times more CO2 to obtain chemical equilibrium. This total of 51 times the present amount of carbon in atmospheric CO2 exceeds the known reserves of fossil carbon – it represents more carbon than exists in all the coal, gas, and oil that we can exploit anywhere in the world."


Thanks, Mike C.. The bit at National Review is worthwhile, but brief. Based on your lead, I did a little search and found Segalstad's site. I'll be reading a lot.

861 GeeWiz  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 7:43:38pm

re: #843 Capt_Faust

No, cheers to you sir. In reading that post, I actually felt the fear and panic you so eloquently described. It could be a result that I was in my 20's when that event occurred (and lost close friends over there) that made it so chilling but I suspect it was due to your prose. Your post like those of others on this site continue to make it #1 on my list of sites to visit. Thank you!

862 really grumpy big dog Johnson  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 9:30:08pm

Charles should have shut down registration for good about five years ago. Now I have one third of the comments by complete lunatics, and half of the rest of the posts pointing out to two-year-olds that potty mouth is bad.

Plame and Wilson are folk heroes to the radical left. This "setback" in court will be one more banner to raise of the oppressive regime of President Bush.

You reap what you sow, kiddies. I'm bookmarking this thread, so that I can come around and run you post-nuclear waste dumps back to your glow holes.

Don't think I can't.

You worry about repression? It won't be Bush you have to worry about.

863 skree  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 9:40:00pm

re: #100 zuckerlilly

Done - 149072 Signatures Total

864 Zack  Thu, Jul 19, 2007 9:48:21pm

Judge Bates misread what he thought were subtle signals from Plame as she repeatedly tossed her blonde hair during court sessions.

865 Zebra  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 1:56:01am

re: #12 jamgarr

Gawd.....Durbin is my Senator also. What a disgusting moron.

866 warnergt  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 6:20:37am
867 TMF  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 7:01:52am

That Free Frank Warner post is probably the most cut-through-the-bullshit chronology of the affaire Plame/Wilson Ive seen yet

868 Geekasaurus  Fri, Jul 20, 2007 8:06:50am

re: #790 MacGregor

Welcome Geekasaurus!
And popular fashion is driven by the media. That is why I will pre-emptively declare my self a transgenderednonpubescentophobe.

I sometimes go for weeks without turning on the TV. When I do, its usually to the Military Channel or History Channel (I know the scholarship SUCKS but its fun to criticise). Last night my relatives came over for dinner and turned on the TV. They watched some super-model who was married to some soccer star and her move to America. Every few minutes, the announcer said "But will she be ready when her husband and the kids come to America?".

Gag me with a spoon...but is THAT the most significant issue in the world today? Sure she's beautiful, but then so is my dog (he IS a handsome fellow!). But with the GWOT and our Congress flushing our armed services down the political toilet.....this is a big deal? They have to make a prime-time show about it?

I'd rather see a prime-time show about one of the Medal winners, or about an obscure Afghan or Iraqi shopkeeper trying to get and sell goods. Or about a school opening in Anbar.....or any of a thousand TRULY SIGNIFICANT topics--topics of war and peace. I just can't find that I give a damn about some blonde bitch and her expensive shoes.

I don't CARE about fashion OR popularity. I care about what is right and wrong. Hunting down and killing murderers, torturers, and bomb-tossers is the proper and appropriate (IOW: "right") function of a legitimate government. I will go further to say that these are the activites that MAKE a government legitimate.

Do I need to say that the family members who found this program interesting are also Dems? They are not strong Dems, though. They have never really heard that there is another side to the narrative put out by the MSM. The more they are around me, however, the more their viewpoints are challenged. They won't change easy or fast. But they are considering the POV that I'm offering.

Maybe I can hatch some new lizards in a few months/years!


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