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Report from the Hamas Trial in Dallas

Thu, Jul 26, 2007 at 9:24:11 am PDT

Counterterrorism Blog has a report on the testimony of terrorism expert Matthew Levitt at the Hamas funding trial of the Holy Land Foundation, in Dallas: Matthew Levitt Takes the Stand in Dallas HAMAS Trial.

During his direct examination Wednesday afternoon, jurors were shown a videotape from a HAMAS graduation ceremony in the Gaza Strip. Children were dressed in army fatigues holding toy weapons and, in some cases, wearing suicide belts. Several of the children were dressed as well known figures including Sheikh Yassin, a founder and spiritual leader of HAMAS.

Prosecutors used the video to show how HAMAS indoctrinates its followers at the youngest ages. Levitt referred to the ceremony as “typical of HAMAS run schools.”

Levitt, the prosecution’s first witness, testified as a HAMAS expert about the group’s methods of recruitment and their violent attacks. In contrast to descriptions by defense attorneys in Tuesday’s opening statements, where the first Intifadah was described as occasional rock throwing by children, Levitt explained to jurors that “HAMAS’ role in the first Intifadah was much more violent then rock throwing.” “They were involved in shooting attacks,” he said.

Levitt also spent considerable time discussing the charitable Zakat Committees. He called them “HAMAS’ most effective tool... they build grassroots support for the organization...(and) provide a logistical support mechanism to the terrorism wing by providing day jobs to HAMAS terrorists.”

The Holy Land Foundation’s lawyers are using the time-tested “Zionist conspiracy” defense.

In her cross examination, Nancy Hollander, defense attorney for Shukri Abu Baker, focused on Levitt’s employment with the Washington Institute, which was founded by Martin Indyk, as a way of questioning his objectivity. Indyk previously served as U.S. Ambassador to Israel. Hollander also asked Levitt a series of questions about his relationship with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Jewish Federation, both of which have hosted Levitt as a speaker.

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1 pat  7/26/07 9:27:02 am reply quote 0

RT
4 cau[Link: www.breitbart.com...] in Britain, almost exactly like this case.

2 Sharmuta  7/26/07 9:27:31 am reply quote 0
The Holy Land Foundation’s lawyers are using the time-tested “Zionist conspiracy” defense.

I don't see how that refutes the video, but I'm also not on the jury.

3 insanity police  7/26/07 9:27:33 am reply quote 0

CRUSH HAMAS. THEY ARE AN ENEMY OF AMERICA, NOT JUST ISRAEL.

4 pat  7/26/07 9:28:07 am reply quote 0

Hmmm. Caught. I was trying to say 'caught' And sentenced.

5 Rulewriter  7/26/07 9:28:56 am reply quote 0

The "Are you now, or have you ever been a Jew?" card comes out early.

7 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  7/26/07 9:29:44 am reply quote 0
The Holy Land Foundation’s lawyers are using the time-tested “Zionist conspiracy” defense.

and if they doesn't work, they can use the Chewbaca defense.

8 skembo  7/26/07 9:30:08 am reply quote 0

That is possibly the worst writing I've ever read in a real report. Not to mention the fact that they consider the Zionist Conspiracy defense legitimate.

9 Terp Mole  7/26/07 9:31:24 am reply quote 0

OT Update: Kaddafi's hostage extortion price disclosed... Fwance promises nuclear jizya;

Sarkozy: Trust Arabs with nukes

After agreeing to nuclear cooperation with Libya, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the West should trust Arab states to develop such technology for peaceful purposes or risk a war of civilizations.
=====
Sarkozy told reporters in Libya that to consider the Arab world "is not sensible enough to use civilian nuclear power" would, in the long run, risk a "war of civilizations".

"Nuclear power is the energy of the future," he said. "If we don't give the energy of the future to the countries of the southern Mediterranean, how will they develop themselves? And if they don't develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?"

And if we don't submit willingly now, how will we avoid jihad later?

fjordman could not have been more prescient;

...France is now held hostage by the very forces she herself set in motion. The Jihad riots by Muslim immigrants in France in 2005 demonstrated that Eurabia is no longer a matter of French foreign policy, it is now French domestic policy. France will burn unless she continues to appease Arabs and agree to their agenda.

/dhimmitude on stilts

10 Ma Sands  7/26/07 9:31:35 am reply quote 0

(OT
This was linked to in the dead thread, but I'm not sure many saw it:
Southern Illinois College Student Charged for Making Virginia Tech-Style Threat)

11 Kreuzueber Halbmond  7/26/07 9:31:38 am reply quote 0

I'm Christian and Jesus was a Jew. Guess my objectivity is in question too.

12 skembo  7/26/07 9:32:58 am reply quote 0

re:

13 MandyManners  7/26/07 9:33:18 am reply quote 0

I wonder if that video shocked the jurors.

14 akak  7/26/07 9:33:19 am reply quote 0

Is Spencer there? Fred Thompsons campaign manager?

As we've written (and that column was quoted in The Washington Post), Abraham favored pan-Islamists from HAMAS front group CAIR and others from Islamic charities raided by Customs Agents for laundering money to Al-Qaeda. He invited a man tied to one of the Al-Qaeda-related charities to the Bush White House to give out post-9/11 "awards." Abraham also took campaign contributions from Nijad Fares, the son of then-Hezbollah installed Deputy Prime Minister of Lebanon.

debbieschlussel.com

15 opnion  7/26/07 9:33:24 am reply quote 0

What this guy describes is typical Hamas & other Islamist behavior.
What the American public gets is a steady diet of very favorable stories about Muslims. Honestly, I believe that over half of the country believes that Islam translates to 'peace"
The "inconvenient truth" needs to get more exposure. It is not pleasant, but it is what it is.

16 grumpy old codger  7/26/07 9:34:06 am reply quote 0

Don't you see? The evil Zionist conspiracy paid Hamas but tricked them, through the use of some evil Joooo magic, into dressing the kids up like suicide bombers, holding weapons, etc.. I guess Hamas was duped by those sly evil men, who obviously kept Hamas totally unawares that guns, rpgs, etc., are weapons of war.
Oh, I get it! They must have been convinced that fireworks were for celebrating and just used the only available props the Jooooos gave them.
NOT.

17 bosforus  7/26/07 9:34:55 am reply quote 0

re:

18 loppyd  7/26/07 9:35:00 am reply quote 0
Hollander also asked Levitt a series of questions about his relationship with the American Israel Public Affairs Committee and the Jewish Federation, both of which have hosted Levitt as a speaker.

SO. WHAT.

19 loppyd  7/26/07 9:35:54 am reply quote 0

re:

20 insanity police  7/26/07 9:35:57 am reply quote 0

“typical of HAMAS run schools.”

You mean madrasah, or terrorist training camps.

Typical school day in Hamastan:
8:30-12:00- Koran 101
12:00-1:00- UN funded lunch time
1:00-3:00- Rock throwing, suicide bomb belt making, women opressing.
3:00-4:30- Death to America, Israel, Jews and Christians lecture

21 Sharmuta  7/26/07 9:36:30 am reply quote 0

re: #13 MandyManners

I wonder if that video shocked the jurors.

It sounds like this video.

22 funkyfantom  7/26/07 9:36:38 am reply quote 0

Interesting to me to see a lawyer named Hollander making the ole' "antisemitic guilt-by-association protocols of zion" style arguments.

Because I have known MANY people named Hollander and they were all Jews. I would be surprised if this lawyer were not Jewish herself.

23 Ben Hur  7/26/07 9:37:04 am reply quote 0

But Hamas didn't attack us on 9/11.

Now, if they'd attacked Britain...Well...that's a whole other story.

There wouldn't even be a need for a trial.

24 Fasternu426  7/26/07 9:37:23 am reply quote 0

Them danged Jooz! They always do everything!

25 Ben Hur  7/26/07 9:37:45 am reply quote 0

They'd shoot him outright...

26 Kreuzueber Halbmond  7/26/07 9:38:30 am reply quote 0

re:

27 Ben Hur  7/26/07 9:39:01 am reply quote 0
Levitt, the prosecution’s first witness, testified as a HAMAS expert about the group’s methods of recruitment and their violent attacks.

No Israeli terror experts exist.

I know I know.

But still.

Not even on TV.

28 Ben Hur  7/26/07 9:39:58 am reply quote 0

I have his book.

29 insanity police  7/26/07 9:40:07 am reply quote 0

I think the lawyer worked or works for the ACLU. Go figure.

Statement - Nancy Hollander, NSA Lawsuit Client

In the 1960's and the 1970's the FBI, CIA and the Chicago Police Department followed me, kept files on me, wrote about my anti-war and civil rights speeches, made copies of my writings, took my picture. I was not a lawyer then and although their activities were clear attempts to chill my First Amendment rights, they failed.

30 Killgore Trout  7/26/07 9:40:35 am reply quote 0

This one's actually pretty good.....

Crow Says Allah

31 Terp Mole  7/26/07 9:41:22 am reply quote 0
re: #10 Ma Sands
32 insanity police  7/26/07 9:41:24 am reply quote 0

re: #29 insanity police

I think the lawyer worked or works for the ACLU. Go figure.

33 bulwrk  7/26/07 9:42:36 am reply quote 0

re:

34 insanity police  7/26/07 9:43:33 am reply quote 0

re:

35 cbinflux  7/26/07 9:43:51 am reply quote 0

re: #30 Killgore Trout

This one's actually pretty good.....

36 insanity police  7/26/07 9:45:07 am reply quote 0

re:

37 byrule62  7/26/07 9:45:31 am reply quote 0

Anybody see this weeks Newsweek? ([Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]
Lisa Miller who has written openly biased pieces before for Newsweek now has a cover article on muslims in America. Just to give an idea of this article here is a quote "It's impossible to underestimate the emotional nature of anti-Israel sentiment among Arab-American youth, argues Ismael Ahmed, executive director of the Arab Community Center for Economic and Social Services in Detroit. "I think the poll miscaptures what's being said," he says. "There is such a thing as legitimate resistance to oppression, and there is terrorism on both sides. It's wrong, but there's also the right to resist." The poll numbers, in his view, don't point to a threat of homegrown suicide bombers, but to a passionate defense of a resistance movement—the way, 30 years ago, an Irish-American teenager would have supported the IRA."

Sounds like a bunch of crap to me

and then there is "Religious convictions are no less firm or real, but they are less likely to fuel the kind of extremism that can lead to violence. The six imams who were pulled off a US Airways flight last fall after praying openly at a Minneapolis airport gate have sued the airline and the airport commission for civil-rights violations. "I believe in justice in the United States, and that's why we've taken this case to court," says Didmar Faja, one of the imams."

oops there is nothing there on a plane load of people's claims that they were NOT JUST PRAYING

38 Silhouette  7/26/07 9:46:17 am reply quote 0

The crap of this all is that the trial is obviously having to start by proving that Hamas are terrorists, before they can start proving the was material support. Hamas! Ham-friggin-as.

In a sane world, that Hamas is evil is an established fact. The trial should be about proving contributions to Hamas.

39 cbinflux  7/26/07 9:47:35 am reply quote 0
40 Silhouette  7/26/07 9:50:03 am reply quote 0
And if the topic of terrorism were raised, leaders were told to say that they were against terrorism but that jihad was among a Muslim's ‘divine legal rights’ to be used to defend himself and his people and to spread Islam.”

Not only the infamous "terror is wrong BUT", but we also get as an added bonus that Muslims have extra legal right, from Allan himself, to jihad.

41 lefty201  7/26/07 9:52:16 am reply quote 0

Funny, I caught a blurb on the radio this morning from one of the news directors out of Dallas....she said and I paraphrase. That school systems are trying to cater to islamic students for thier prayers, foot washing, and other events, and if it was legal for the school systems to do so. She then went on to say that schools are doing this in order for children to get use to islamic law....:( I don't really know what to think about that, but it kind of startled me.

42 wrathofasma  7/26/07 9:53:08 am reply quote 0

This won't be the last of it. The defense will use this over and over again. And if all that fails, they will use worse. Remember the suspicious U-Haul in front of the courtroom a few days ago? It could have been unrelated, but it makes me go hmmmm....

43 Silhouette  7/26/07 9:54:28 am reply quote 0

re: #41 lefty201

She then went on to say that schools are doing this in order for children to get use to islamic law.

When they're not watching, they come right out with the truth.

Later, when resistance to sharia law kicks in, she'll reword it to be about tolerance.

44 lefty201  7/26/07 9:56:35 am reply quote 0

I pass by the Dallas courthouse everymorning on my way to work. I always see multiple Federal agents vehicals parked out front. Today, I saw an unmarked vehicle there. I think maybe the feds are starting to get the message.

45 Lady Mondegreen  7/26/07 9:58:02 am reply quote 0

#31 Terp Mole

Before anyone freaks, southern Illinois has been known as "Little Egypt" from way back in the 1860s or so due to the confluence of the Mississippi and Ohio and all the grain that moved along them.

46 madisonsfriend  7/26/07 9:58:11 am reply quote 0

now, now, we must accept their cultural/religious mores. If dressing small children up like killers is their way- we should not denigrate their cultural practices. we need to accept the training and education of hatred that makes these children grow up to be killers. Just because we send our children to school to learn to read, write, learn about science, history and literature, to learn skills to become productive citizens- that is just our culture. If another culture wants to raise its children to hate, live off the UN and worldwide dole and murder infidels- well, then we must learn to accept that as their right in a world made up of differences. I think it is time to watch "Nahoul gets a suicide belt and visits Sesame Street. "

47 Dr. Shalit  7/26/07 10:06:09 am reply quote 0

re: #35 cbinflux

re: #30 Killgore Trout

This one's actually pretty good.....

Crow Says Allah

And then he sh*ts.

Poe had it better - "Quoth the Raven - Never 'Moore'"

-S-

48 Ward Cleaver  7/26/07 10:17:33 am reply quote 0
The Holy Land Foundation’s lawyers are using the time-tested “Zionist conspiracy” defense.

Good luck with that. I don't think that will fly with a Dallas jury.

49 Carridine  7/26/07 10:18:42 am reply quote 0

REMINDER: "Abu" is NOT part of the defendant's name. "Abu" is an Arabic-language TITLE of RESPECT, and as such cannot be applied to this bottom-feeding scum-sucker!

"...defense attorney for Shukri Abu Baker..." actually reads,
"...defense attorney for Shukri ...... Baker..."

50 Orde  7/26/07 10:35:02 am reply quote 0

Linking the witness Levitt to Israel or Zionism would only be relevant if trying to show Levitt had a conflict of interest in siding with a party in the case, but since Israel is not a party because this case is not a question of Israel vs Hamas, this conspiracy tactic is a total digression from what I understand is the issue at hand: given that Hamas is a terrorist organization, is the Holy Land Foundation funding Hamas, and therefore terrorism.

51 Sir Lurksalot  7/26/07 10:38:03 am reply quote 0

Wait. The evil Zionists are going after a charity now? The horror.

52 Bearster  7/26/07 11:10:12 am reply quote 0

Wait a sec!

If Hamas is categorized by the US Government as a terrorist organization, then the judge should not permit the defense to present information about why Hamas should be considered OK. Hamas is not on trial. The "charity" and its officers are on trial. The question is: are they guilty of giving material aid to Hamas?

53 ploome hineni  7/26/07 11:27:46 am reply quote 0

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54 ploome hineni  7/26/07 11:28:24 am reply quote 0

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55 Ma Sands  7/26/07 11:38:11 am reply quote 0

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56 tronman  7/26/07 4:47:46 pm reply quote 0

Anyone heard what the cause of the LP/Acetyline gas plant was yesterday morning in Dallas? I'm not putting forward any conspiracy or anything, just saying the place is only a couple of blocks from the courthouse and the jail...coincidence?

57 _Jim  7/26/07 5:42:35 pm reply quote 0

Remember ... The Holy Land Foundation = Occupied Land Fund

[Link: www.humanevents.com...]

ANd:

[Link: www.freerepublic.com...]


Holy Land Foundation history


The government says Hamas' support organization in the United States, known as the "Palestinian Committee," organized the "Occupied Land Fund" in 1988.

The name was later changed to the Holy Land Foundation. First based in California, the foundation moved to Richardson in 1992. Calling itself the largest Muslim charity in the country, it raised more than $13 million in the United States in 2000.

58 _Jim  7/26/07 5:50:34 pm reply quote 0

re: #56 tronman

Anyone heard what the cause of the LP/Acetyline gas plant was yesterday morning in Dallas? I'm not putting forward any conspiracy or anything, just saying the place is only a couple of blocks from the courthouse and the jail...coincidence?

Yeah ... it was a filling accident, and it went down much like the accident in St. Louis in 2005.

Details if you like:

[Link: www.csb.gov...]

Take special note of Figure 3 (picture of a cylinder with a flame-plume coming out of it) in the above document.

Here's how it started in St. Louis:


Praxair operations proceeded normally during the
morning and early afternoon; however, about 3:20 pm,
a technician retrieving cylinders from an outside
storage area saw a ten-foot high flame coming from
a cylinder (Figure 3) and activated the fire alarm.

Security camera video from the facility shows the
release and ignition of gas from a cylinder in the
propylene return area.

As workers and customers evacuated, the fire spread
to adjacent cylinders. Security camera video shows
nearby cylinders igniting in the first minute.

At 2 minutes, cylinders begin exploding, flying into
other areas of the facility, and spreading the fire

After 4 minutes, the fire covers most of the facility's
flammable gas cylinder area and explosions are frequent.


These things happen FAST as you can see ...

59 _Jim  7/26/07 8:25:15 pm reply quote 0

I don't know if a little more elucidation on the 'care and treatment' regarding Acetylene cylinder filling is called for, but here goes. Excerpted from [Link: www.freepatentsonline.com...]


As is well known, acetylene gas is relatively unstable at high
pressures ... acetylene is usually transported in elongate[d] steel
cylinders each containing a porous mass within which a solvent for acetylene is absorbed. The porous mass ... fills the cylinder body, and typically comprises a very porous, concrete-like substance such as calcium metasilicate having an admixture of a suitable fibrous material ... to increase its mechanical strength. The solvent is typically acetone ...

The filling of acetylene cylinders involves problems beyond those normally encountered in filling cylinders with gases other than acetylene. ...

In accordance with conventional filling procedures, an acetylene cylinder which has been checked in the manner described above is refilled first by charging it with the requisite amount of missing solvent, and then by introducing the requisite quantities of acetylene gas. The gas is fed into the cylinder at a relatively low pressure during a period of time which extends for many hours. While cylinders are charged on an individual basis to supply them with the requisite quantities of solvent, a plurality of solvent-replenished cylinders are connected together or "ganged" for simulateous filling with acetylene.

While a cylinder is being filled with acetylene, the temperature of the cylinder is caused to rise due to the high heat of solution of acetylene. Stated in another way, as acetylene gas is dissolved by a cylinder-carried solvent such as acetone, a substantial amount of heat energy is released,


More - see link above.


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