the West should trust Arab states to develop such technology for peaceful purposes or risk a war of civilizations.

Little does he know- there's actually no difference.

Sarkozy said preventing Arab states from developing nuclear power risked stoking a “war of civilizations.”

Note to Sarcrazy; breathing the same air as them stokes the “war of civilizations” in their book.

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Mon Dieu!

At least we know who we can/can't count on.

I think I would rather risk a war of civilizations, thank you.

With the direction Europe is going, we're gonna have to.

I have long feared that Sarkozy, far from being the new Charles Martel as some seemed to believe, is actually a passionate Eurabian.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the West should trust Arab states to develop such technology for peaceful purposes or risk a war of civilizations.

Trust our peaceful intent or zer vill be var!

Yeah. Let's try war before nukes for $200.

Pssst! Mr. Sarkozy- the War of Civilizations is here.

France agreed on Wednesday to help Libya develop a nuclear reactor to supply drinking water from desalinated sea water.

Uhhh...what?

Israeli companies have been building those water plants around the world without Nuke plants.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the West should trust Arab states

so does this mean that France is no longer a part of the West? i hope so.
seriously, what the f is he thinking?

Sarkozy said preventing Arab states from developing nuclear power risked stoking a “war of civilizations.”

and what does giving them nuclear power do? bring us all together?

It's one thing to be a cheese-eating surrender monkey, but even a regular monkey has more sense than this.

France is the one main cause of the "nuke'd" up world we live in.
Screw France and the loon moon they live under.

Sarkozy said preventing Arab states from developing nuclear power risked stoking a “war of civilizations.”

We already have one of those, Frenchie! Giving them nukes just proves that we want to lose.

CFR member?

If you Google ‘French military victories’ and hit the ‘I’m feeling lucky’ button, it says, ‘No standard web pages containing all your search terms were found.’ It also says, ‘Did you mean French military defeats?’

Shall we this fond pageant see? Lord, what fools these mortals be!

sure! why not? wonder if we can get russia to design the plants?
can you spell chernobyl?

re: #12 Kreuzueber Halbmond

It's one thing to be a cheese-eating surrender monkey, but even a regular monkey has more sense than this.

I'd say he's more of a cheese-eating surrender skunk...

In 2006, Spencer Abraham was named director of Areva Inc., the US subsidiary of the French nuclear energy company [1].

And if they don’t develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?”

Well with better weapons and training, obviously. But if we let them arm themselves with nukes the advantages of having well-trained marines and soldiers come to naught since the war will come to North America in a suitcase.

French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the West should trust Arab states to develop such technology for peaceful purposes or risk a war of civilizations.

There are so many things wrong with that sentence that it's hard to know where to begin.

...and I was just starting to enjoy French Bordeaux again.

In what universe does it make sense to say, “We need to trust their peaceful intentions, or they’ll declare war on us?”

This is France dude. What did you expect?

-ron

The Frog, Sarkozy, has just hopped into a pot of hot water that should rapidly come to a boil. Hope he enjoys the swim.

Memo to Sarkozy: This isn't a "war of civilizations," because that would mean that Islam would have to be a civilization in he first place, which it isn't. This is a war for civilizations. It's already started, and France is currently losing.

correct me if i am wrong, but they dont seem to have developed themselves with the fuel of today

“If we don’t give the energy of the future to the countries of the southern Mediterranean, how will they develop themselves? And if they don’t develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?”And if that doesn't work, how will we know?

FRANCE

Total population: 62.3 million

Muslim population: Five to six million (8-9.6%)

Background: The French Muslim population is the largest in western Europe. About 70% have their heritage in former north African colonies of Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia. France favours integration and many Muslims are citizens. Nevertheless, the growth of the community has challenged the French ideal of strict separation of religion and public life. There has been criticism that Muslims face high unemployment and often live in poor suburbs. A ban on religious symbols in public schools provoked a major national row as it was widely regarded as being a ban on the Islamic headscarf. Late 2005 saw widespread and prolonged rioting among mainly immigrant communities across France.

Too many contradictory terms in that statement. Makes me laugh.

The article mentions the deal would include having the French nuclear firm Avena controlling the entire nuclear fuel cycle. They would produce the reactor fuel, manage it's use, and then take the spent fuel for disposal. If an Arab state is going to have nuclear power stations, this would certainly be the preferable scenario.

The big problem with this particular deal is Qaddafi!

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The French wouldn't have any problem working for the leader of any future world caliphate and declaring France a province of a muslim empire. Just like they had no problem being good little productive nazis after they got the sh*t kicked out of them by Hitler.

These are guys you really don't want on your side.

In what universe does it make sense to say, “We need to trust their peaceful intentions, or they’ll declare war on us?”

Maybe in Bizzaro universe, and maybe not even there.

Thanks for posting this Charles... Kaddafi has more jizya to collect. Just wait and see.

As I wrote earlier, fjordman could not have been more prescient;

...France is now held hostage by the very forces she herself set in motion. The Jihad riots by Muslim immigrants in France in 2005 demonstrated that Eurabia is no longer a matter of French foreign policy, it is now French domestic policy. France will burn unless she continues to appease Arabs and agree to their agenda.

/dhimmitude on stilts

Since we're on the subject of leaders who are deluded by diplomacy, I give you Olmert's gambit.

The Death of France?

The reports that France helped Iraqi officials escape to Europe were not surprising, because France is now the European leader of the Arab world and of Arab interests.

re: #14 Lizard by the Bay

We already have one of those, Frenchie! Giving them nukes just proves that we want to lose.

Let's keep our facts straight here: the deal is about providing a nuclear power station, not about providing nuclear weapons.

TRUST ARABS WITH NUKES? I THOUGHT RUSSIANS, NOT THE FRENCH, WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE WORLD'S BIG DRINKERS.

Never forget that we gave nuclear technology to France lock stock and barrel after WWII, presuming without question that France would forever be a loyal ally and never ever ever ever even dream of giving that technology to our enemies.

Amazing what can happen in a few short decades.

This only confirms my belief that the US should NEVER give key technology or weapon systems to ANY foreign government -- EVEN OUR ALLIES. Because one never knows if those allies may one day turn on us.

It's happened so many times in the past, we should have learned by now.

The reactor might be supplied by French atomic energy firm Areva - short for arevaderci arrivederci

#30, Kenneth. Would you trust the French with the security of yourself and your family? Please answer.

Let's not jump the cheval, here. The French love nuke power, they want to sell some reactors, and some of the safer designs with hi-tech fuel pellets, are pretty safe to operate even by savages. This could be just a bit of business and nothing more.

#32: The French were the original inventors of the Eurabia policy, and they are now trying to drag the rest of Europe down with them.

re: #36 BabbaZee

The Death of France?

The reports that France helped Iraqi officials escape to
Europe were not surprising, because France is now the European leader
of the Arab world and of Arab interests.

They did love all things Arafat.

MUSLIM POPULATION WORLDWIDE

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Now back OT:

Diane Feinstein (dipshit D Calif.) and
Larry Craig (dipshit R of Idaho)

Now say they will offer an "AgJOBS" aka Amnesty bill of their own.
It will grant amnest to millions and millions more later to enter to
"work" in agriculture jobs, then sneak into construction and then into
the hospital for the anchor baby, the into the SS system and then
into your former home.

go to
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and send the fax and call them and your own Congress Critter and unSenator, tell them "BS" on We the People starving to death without
cheap slave labor from Mexico, until we get this bunch of traitors out
of our Senate and Congress each day they lurk to shoot us in the back,
it is clear, them or us, what will you do "We the People".?

How many ways can France figure out how to say , "I Surrender!"?

I gave the asshole nextdoor my gun because I was afraid he would beat me up.

/numb

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re: #19 loppyd

Ah yes, Pepe LeNuke.

ROFL!

Sarkozy told reporters in Libya that to consider the Arab world “is not sensible enough to use civilian nuclear power” would, in the long run, risk a “war of civilizations”.

If we offend them, they'll try to kill us. So best not offend them by implying we're concerned they want to kill us.

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Later Lizardia

Verrry Strange, perhaps Sarko has gone off the rails. One thing though, would he were offering Nuclear Power Plants to us, we could use them and MAINTAIN THEM.

-S-

No surprise- he's a member of the nation that gave the world the Euro-Arab Dialogue and the EU. And he recognizes france's restive, youthful, unassimilated Muslim population and those 751 shari'a-ruled "no-go" zones throughout france.

If you can trust Israel with nukes........

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re: #30 Kenneth

The article mentions the deal would include having the French nuclear firm Avena controlling the entire nuclear fuel cycle. They would produce the reactor fuel, manage it's use, and then take the spent fuel for disposal. If an Arab state is going to have nuclear power stations, this would certainly be the preferable scenario.

The big problem with this particular deal is Qaddafi!

Yes, but one never knows what could happen in the future when Qaddafi dies and/or is overthrown and Islamists seize control of the country. They'll kill or kick out the unarmed Avena employees and start cranking out the weapons-grade uranium on their own.

Remember all those jet fighters we gave to our strong ally the Shah in the '60s and '70s? Who's flying those planes now?

Let's see, where did Ayatollah Khomeini hideout for years before 1979?

TRIPOLI, Libya (Reuters) — After agreeing to nuclear cooperation with Libya, French President Nicolas Sarkozy said the West should trust Arab states to develop such technology for peaceful purposes or risk a war of civilizations

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Oh man...

Another fine example of Fwench exceptionalism.

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Yes, give them nukes.

Oh, goody. Another excuse to bomb Libya!

The Fwench must support their lazy, free-loading society somehow. Being the world leader in industrial espionage alone won't pay the bills.

Will France have a hand in the future "pie" of supplying the technology?
Is this money related?

#34: Which is why we will have to kill the EU. Maybe we can't save France, but we should try to prevent the French from dragging the rest of Europe down with them.

The EU is to European civilization what Lord Voldemort is to Harry Potter: One of them has to die if the other is to live.

re: #39 zombie

Never forget that we gave nuclear technology to France lock stock and barrel after WWII, presuming without question that France would forever be a loyal ally

And maybe because we were sick of having to go over there every thirty years and pull their butts out of the fire. "Here. Hold this, and point it at the enemy if anyone else tries to invade. Now stop bothering me; I'm busy."

why don't we just drop a few nukes on 'em and see how good they are at reverse engineering

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re: #49 Grok the Fullness

How many ways can France figure out how to say , "I Surrender!"?

I gave the asshole nextdoor my gun because I was afraid he would beat me up.

/numb

Seriously... is this over fear or over making money?

re: #59 Grok the Fullness

Let's see, where did Ayatollah Khomeini hideout for years before 1979?

...And write huge tomes on bestiality and misogyny. Currently the Brown Standard of Muslim sex.

re: #71 Ginn

re: #49 Grok the Fullness

How many ways can France figure out how to say , "I Surrender!"?

I gave the asshole nextdoor my gun because I was afraid he would beat me up.

/numb

Seriously... is this over fear or over making money?

The latter. They do not fear surrender; it's a way of life for them.

Off to get some lunch.

Guess I'll have to rethink getting fwench fries.

Later, Lizards!

All I can say is "Holy Shit"! This guy must be Sarkozy.

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

It looks like Sarkozy believes all the enemy propaganda that the Arab Muslim countries are poor and hostile because we have kept them down. What evidence is there that poverty leads people to become terrorists? History teaches me that unchecked preaching of hatred + appeasement leads to people becoming terrorists.

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BTW, the Fwench are the leader in breeder reactors.

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Speaking of bestiality... the news from Norway and Denmark is frightening.

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It's all part of the grand Western plan, isn't it? You know, like when we fooled the Germans into thinking we'd attack Pas De Calais. These nuke plants will be built with remote detonators so they can be set off when things get out of hand.

That's it, isn't it?

Right ... ?

?

It is not their ethnicity. It is not their religion.

It is the trustworthiness of their despotic leaders.

A fully attended meeting of the Arab League is a world-class collection of lunatics, losers, halfwits and brutal murderers. Not one these leaders reflects the interests of their people, only the interests of the leaders.

If there was some reason that the Arab world need fear nuclear annihilation, one might be sympathetic to their need to defend themselves. But the fact is they can not effectively govern themselves, pray why would anyone want to put the most dangerous weapons in their hands- but as bad as any current Arab leaders is- every single one of them had shadow Islamist governments in waiting (who we most definitely never want to see have nukes, because, they like, Saddam or Bin Laden, would use them or hand them to terrorists). As bad as these leaders are, only worse ones are in the immediate wings of their Islamic world's political stage.

The Arab world needs to focus solely on their biggest problem- human development and not waste any more money on palaces and weapons they don't need.

Meanwhile the raped, tortured, blackmailed ungrateful EU nurses just won't move on;

Libya protests pardons for nurses

...The medical workers are seeking legal action against the people they say tortured them while they were held in prison in Libya.

"We can forgive, but we cannot forget what has happened to us," Nasya Nenova, one of the workers, said Wednesday at the first news conference since arriving home.

Nenova, Kristiana Valcheva and Ashraf al Hazouz said they were ready to testify in an investigation of 11 Libyan police officers, which Bulgaria started in January for alleged torture of the medics.

Recalling the first months in prison, Nenova said, "it was horrifying."

"They tortured us, they did not allow us to have a lawyer. It was only after 13 months that we could meet with our lawyer and try to whisper what they were doing to us," she said.

The Libyans will be investigated for allegedly using coercion, torture and threats -- between February and May 1999 -- to extract false confessions from the medical workers, which subsequently led to their death sentences, prosecutor Nikolai Kokinov said.

However, there has been no indication Libya will let the officers go to Bulgaria for any trial.

There's no indication Libya would ever pay up either.

Sarkozy's new name is Stircrazy.

re: #73 cbinflux

re: #71 Ginn

re: #49 Grok the Fullness

How many ways can France figure out how to say , "I Surrender!"?I gave the asshole nextdoor my gun because I was afraid he would beat me up.

/numb

Seriously... is this over fear or over making money?

The latter. They do not fear surrender; it's a way of life for them.

Excellent point.

Sarkozy told reporters in Libya that to consider the Arab world “is not sensible enough to use civilian nuclear power” would, in the long run, risk a “war of civilizations”.

Sounds like the usual arab/muslim "thinly veiled threat" at work here. Kinda reminds me of the Danish cartoon thing - don't call our religion violent or we will be forced to kill you.

This is exactly why you can't give in to hostage takers. Yes, the consequences would be awful for the doctors and nurses, but their freedom now threatens the entire world.

re: #37 Kenneth

Let's keep our facts straight here: the deal is about providing a nuclear power station, not about providing nuclear weapons.

Kenneth,

Part of having nuclear power is the means to produce nuclear fuel. That fuel doesn't have to be used in a peaceful reactor once made. Are you getting the concept yet?

In what universe does it make sense to say, “We need to trust their peaceful intentions, or they’ll declare war on us?”

It makes no sense. But I challenge anyone on this board to show me any leader in the free world anymore whose intentions do make much sense.

If you're so gutless you won't even challenge the patsies at the U.N. with the truth, what makes you think you've got the rocks to challenge ruthless dictatorships?

I say for the record again France should never be considered an ally. If my memory serves, it was France that sold Saddam a nuclear reactor. Thank God the Israelis had the good sense to do the world a favor and get rid of that one. Apparently, all it did was postpone the inevitable. How pathetic we have become...

Some things never change...maybe Libya will name their first Atomic Bomb "Lil' Sudatenland."

#90 Lizard by the Bay

Also Nicolas Sarkozy claims the Muslims need to be trusted; otherwise war of civilizations. Yet he would not trust them with the know how? If not, why not, Nicolas Sarkozy?

Not all of Europe is sleeping;

Times (UK): Don’ t play Gaddafi’s little game — it stinks

Naturally, the last thread comment reads;

The only solution to save the nurses and the doctor was unfortunately to yield to him as there was no other alternative for the moment.
pelletier, paris, france

/quod cowardice demonstrandum

Pick apart this logic:

“Nuclear power is the energy of the future,” he said. “If we don’t give the energy of the future to the countries of the southern Mediterranean, how will they develop themselves? And if they don’t develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?”

Nuclear power = energy of the future. Without Energy of the Future, no country can be expected to Develop. Without Development, no country can be expected to fight Terrorism, which strives to use Nuclear weapons. So lets give them Nuclear energy and Nuclear Material in the hopes that the convoluted process mentioned above happens in less time than the terrorists need to obtain the very thing we're giving them.

Here's what will happen when other oil-rich Muslim states get nuclear power:

The price of oil will go through the roof but the standard of living will stay the same or continue to deteriorate for the majority of the population.

So even if you swallow the poverty breeds terrorism myth, giving despots nuclear power will not benefit the average Muslim on the street.

Sarkozy said preventing Arab states from developing nuclear power risked stoking a “war of civilizations.”

He didn't really say that, did he?

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France is engaged in pre-emptive surrender ... why am I not surprised.

It is not their ethnicity. It is not their religion.

It is the trustworthiness of their despotic leaders.

A fully attended meeting of the Arab League is a world-class collection of lunatics, losers, halfwits and brutal murderers. Not one these leaders reflects the interests of their people, only the interests of the leaders.

If there was some reason that the Arab world need fear nuclear annihilation, one might be sympathetic to their need to defend themselves. But the fact is they can not effectively govern themselves, pray why would anyone want to put the most dangerous weapons in their hands- but as bad as any current Arab leaders is- every single one of them had shadow Islamist governments in waiting (who we most definitely never want to see have nukes, because, they like, Saddam or Bin Laden, would use them or hand them to terrorists). As bad as these leaders are, only worse ones are in the immediate wings of their Islamic world's political stage.

The Arab world needs to focus solely on their biggest problem- human development and not waste any more money on palaces and weapons they don't need.

any chance we can have the old french government back?

“Nuclear power is the energy of the future,” he said. “If we don’t give the energy of the future to the countries of the southern Mediterranean, how will they develop themselves? And if they don’t develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?”

Baloney. It's all about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

re: #30 Kenneth

The article mentions the deal would include having the French nuclear firm Avena controlling the entire nuclear fuel cycle. They would produce the reactor fuel, manage it's use, and then take the spent fuel for disposal. If an Arab state is going to have nuclear power stations, this would certainly be the preferable scenario.

Not really. If it's on Libyan soil, the Libyan military will confiscate it, just like the Saudi military confiscated western oil faciliities.

Speak of the devil... I work in the rare book field & we just now got in a document dating from Napoleon's invasion of Egypt, from the Sheiks of Cairo to the Sheiks of Mecca, assuring them that the French are friends of islam.

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Ho-kay...Charles, the article says "The reactor might be supplied by French atomic energy firm Areva".

I came across that name - Areva - just this morning, while hunting info on Spencer Abraham. The Spencer Abraham whom Fred Thompson has just named to be his campaign manager. Seems that in 2006 Mr. Abraham was named a director of Areva. His main gig since leaving (2/05) the Bush administration appointment as ENERGY secretary has been as head of The Abraham Group ([Link: abrahamgroupllc.com)...] - an "international strategic consulting firm". One of his partners is one Majida Mourad, "former Senior Advisor at the U.S. Department of Energy and MIDDLE EAST specialist"..."Prior to joining the Dept. of ENERGY, Ms. Mourad served as a member of President Bush's Transition Team Staff, assisting Spencer Abraham during his confirmation process as Secretary of ENERGY".

Spencer Abraham also has an interesting backgroung relative to IMMIGRATION. When running for re-election to the Senate in 2000 (from Michigan, and the only Arab-American in the Senate) the ..."Federation for American Immigration Reform ran ads asking: "Why is Senator Spencer Abraham trying to make it easier for terrorists like Osama bin Laden to export their war of terror to any city street in America?" "Abraham was a consistant advocate of large-scale immigration and worked relentlessly to lessen controls and regulations. In 1997 he received the 'Defender of the Melting Pot' award from the NATIONAL COUNCIL OF LA RAZA." This is from Wiki, so it can be discounted if distrusted, though these things are referenced in the article. (emphasis mine)

Whatever - seems possible Spencer Abraham could be involved, at least as having inside knowledge, since he's a director at Arvada, which is the US subsidiary of the French nuclear energy company.

All I know for sure now is that Fred Thompson taking on Spencer Abraham as his campaign manager means Rudy looks better and better - today, at least - and it's "BYE BYE, FRED"...or perhaps that should be an Abrahamaic "Adios".

*SPIT, DOUBLE-SPIT, and SPIT SOME MORE*

#102 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

It is not their religion.

You state this as fact. Twice.

And to think that just a short while back, we were celebrating Sarkozy's election.

/*spit*

re: #90 Lizard by the Bay

Part of having nuclear power is the means to produce nuclear fuel.

Not necessarily.

That fuel doesn't have to be used in a peaceful reactor once made.

The fuel rods would have to be re-processed to upgrade the uranium to weapons grade.

Are you getting the concept yet?

Yes I do get the concept. Are you getting this: the deal the French are proposing involves Avera controlling the entire nuclear fuel cycle from start to finish, hence the presumption of safeguards. Avera would produce the fuel rods and dispose of the spent fuel in France. The valid point Zombie makes is that at any point down the road, the Libyan gov't could break the deal and take over the technology (at least those operations which are on Libyan territory).

While this plan is worrisome, it is at least considerably less dangerous than the alternative plan -let the Russians build them the nuclear plants.

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re: #108 GGMac drooled:Whatever - seems possible Spencer Abraham could be involved

What's this 7 degrees of Kevin Bacon Fred Thompson?

Yeh, Fred Thompson is in cahoots w/ Spencer Abraham and Nicolas Sarkozy to give Kaddafi nukes.

Take your Haldol, dude.

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#114 Kenneth

That's the plan this month.

“Nuclear power is the energy of the future,” he said. “If we don’t give the energy of the future to the countries of the southern Mediterranean, how will they develop themselves? And if they don’t develop, how will we fight terrorism and fanaticism?”

The intellectual 'Maginot Line'

Sarkozy, putain.
Allez vous faire enculer chez les Libiens.

One of the points made in the book "Eurabia" is that France has ambitions of global supremacy and that the easiest way for them to achieve that is through deals with the Arab world. It seems that the French are still living in the days of Napoleon and don't realize that the metaphorical ship of world domination has sailed without them.

Well Kenneth, here's my problem with the whole "the Arab world needs nuclear power" assumption that leads to this nonsense: It's just not true.

Iran sits on perhaps the worlds largest natural gas supply. With modern, efficient natural gas power plants, they could fill the electricity needs of the entire Middle East for 100 years, and cleanly. There is no need for nuclear power in the most oil and gas-rich region in the world.

On the other hand, there is a dire need for more nuclear power in this country, but the powers that be who thin