Genius.

Hey Obama... scratch this!

He's right. We won't be able to use nukes cause they'll nuke us first.

So let me get this straight, first we attack Pakistan, then surrender.

That's a good idea.

Hmmm... so it's like not having them at all.

Hussein Obama.

He obviously read "The Secret."

Positive thoughts!

WOuld he support selling our nooks to India in order to quell the Pakistani threat?

BBL, Dawg.

Hopefully he just nuked his shallow lame-ass campaign

#7 ben hur - thanks for the laugh....you are so right!

Ya gotta have a table first.

This tells me that no matter what he would not fight for the United States. He must really hate the US.

Jump the Shark Moment - perfect

Awwww. Now they'll drop all their hatred and love us. Everybody! Who's for a rowsing round of Kumbaya?

/citizen of the world mode off

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought? What's next, we'll never use any force whatsoever to defend the hard won freedoms of the West because someone somewhere might be offended?

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

I posted this in the last thread, but I think it fits better here.......

'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,' Obama said, with a pause, 'involving civilians' Then he quickly added, 'Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table'...

I remember watching the Bush / kerry debates and kerry came out with the "The first thing I would do as president is dismantle the US Nuclear Weapons Program" and I was OUT on kerry. I don't care about ANYTHING else he said. It would be a cold day in hell before I would even ENTERTAIN voting for him just after that one comment. Nevermind his other idiocies.

Next up:

Obama proposes the creation of the "Human Shield" program, which will be a "watchdog group" designed to reduce the nukes in America.

Their offices will be built in a perimiter around the Oval Office with a satellite office at Camp David.

Next up.

No guns allowed.

There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

Discussions? Who is he having discussions with. Are the visible?

He thinks "My Assured Destruction" is better than "Mutually Assured Destruction."

Obama can't decide out if he should appear weak, clueless, or dangerous to the public. He manages to fit all descriptions.

umm......move along........nothing to see here!

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

Mr. "Arugula is way too expensive" is not real bright. But be sure that the leftward base of the party is eating this up. Frankly, in the primary this kind of talk hurts Hillary.

Hillary will shred this buffoon when the fur really starts to fly.

"Let me scratch that."

Good idea.

Why don't we just scrap the entire DoD and military while we're at it, and just keep enough Coast Guard helos and boats to rescue boaters in distress and nothing more.

That will prove to the entire world we mean peace, and set a good example.

/Not exactly sarc. I am almost paraphrasing some city level politician in San Francisco who said this a couple of years back.

One thing is for sure, if Musharaf loses power in Pakistan we may have to take action to disable their nuclear missles. The last thing we need is jihadists with nukes. And no you don't need nukes to destroy nukes. Cruise missles can take care of it.

What a lightweight. He makes Nancy Pelosi look like a Rhodes scholar.

my y don't work

The more this guy talks, the more he reveals how naive he is and unqualified to be President. Unfortunately, the more he talks, the more he connects with the simpletons who will actually elect the next President. God, help us.

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought? What's next, we'll never use any force whatsoever to defend the hard won freedoms of the West because someone somewhere might be offended?

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

You know, they are arm & arm, like a square dance, Fleetwood Mac in the background.

Jumpin for freakin joy.

I like Obama. He's not quite... the Robopolitician yet. And how boring it would be without those "oops" every now and then.

The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf earlier this week that he would use U.S. military force in Pakistan even without Musharraf's permission if necessary to root out terrorists.

While I support this same idea in principle, does Obama really mean it? I don't think he does. I think he'd pull the U.S. out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Besides (as others have pointed out), you don't publicly state this kind of policy. We should publicly support Musharraf and state that it will never be U.S. policy to send Americans into Pakistan w/o their permission, then you covertly order Spec. Ops. into the "restive" provinces to whack the bad guys.

What is his stand on unclear weapons?

Good to see he stands for something. No, wait. Scratch that.

May not help Osama, er Obama with the general election, but considering the nutroot base of the Demonratic Party, his only shot at the nomination is to act more LLL than Stalin in a Pantsuit.

re: #20 mglazer

I think our enemies agree with him

Does he work for them?

Who doesn't today ?
that is the question...

/hussein obama is just an idiot...

Nobody in their right mind desires a nuclear confrontation, but this guy hasn't a clue as to harsh realities. Keep opening your yap, Obama. Your inexperience and ignorance will eventually leave you an afterthought. At least I hope so. Ya never know, when it comes to the American electorate. Sigh.

re: #29 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
So you support Kucinich ey? Him of the Dept of Peace in the cabinet.
/

re: #34 formercorpsman

Hey if Obama didn't exist Hillary would have had to invent him, thats how useful he is to her.

17 Leonidas Hoplite 8/02/2007 10:37:09 am PDT reply quote

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought?

I don't believe he is clueless at all. I believe he knows exactly what he is saying and that if he is elected President, he would never defend America no matter what the circumstances may be.

Obama's just a bit older than I am, and I think he's waaaay too young and inexperienced to even be in the Senate, let alone president. If I were a cartoonist, I'd portray him in a Little Lord Fauntleroy suit.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick," but our enemies also have to at least THINK you might really use the big stick.

re: #7 Ben Hur

He obviously read "The Secret."

Positive thoughts!

"The Secret". Right. What a load of crap. I guess the people in the WTC had negative thoughts so 9-11 was all their fault.

He probably has read it. Libs love that New Age stuff.

This is after his "warlike" non-threat against Pakistan yesterday.

Obama is being ground down by Hillary's bulldozer so he is trying to seem presidential by speaking on foreign policy- unfortunately this puts on public display his gross inexperience and unsuitability to be Commander in Chief.

If he understood deterrence, he would say simply that any nuclear or major terror attack against the US or one of our allies will have unimaginable consequences for whoever dares to do it and their allies.

This tells China and Russia and nothing they don't know causes them to lose no sleep but puts the Iranians and our other enemies on notice.

That is deterrence. Obama is an utter tyro. He is wimpier that Warren Christopher (the man who protested against any enemy casualties in discussion about liberating the US embassy in Iran).

"There's been no discusion of using nuclear weapons and that's not a hypothetical that I'm going to discuss."
And that's why we're going to scratch what I just said.
And that's real scratching, not the hypothetical kind.

Don't send your daughter or son to Harvard Law School. And that's not a hypothetical, either.

The real question is not whether this novice will get the Democratic party nomination, but if Hillary will ultimately pick him as her VP running mate, as many pundits have mentioned. Of course, either way, America loses if he or she gets elected.

He basically believes President Truman and all POTUS' since are evil based on the USA's nuclear weapons use and capability. He condemns the history of the USA.

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

re: #43 scottthecanuck

Indeed.

This is the reason I'm so glad Fred Thompson is waiting so long to announce his entry into the race (if he even does) and why the rest of the GOP candidates are being quiet...it means less of a chance to say something stupid!

Keep going, Democrats! Keep opening your mouths and saying what you really think! We need more of that...

re: #52 Dianna

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

Yes, I think you have it right.

Uh, no nukes, that's the ticket.

Er, scratch that. I'd use nukes against Usama bin Laden. Yeah, nukes against bin Laden, that's okay. And nukes against uh, wait.

I'd use nukes against the Nazis. Usama and Nazis, but that's all. Really.

This is what happens when a guy who was a marginally qualified dogcatcher a few years ago runs for Leader of the Free World.

This is what you get when politicians think what they say is less important than how they say it, and both of these things are less important than what they actually do. I have no idea if Obama really means this. I think it shows he lacks imagination, but has the association nukes=bad in his head.

Ginn, I agree with you that non-pro politicians are essential to our government, but they're probably better placed in Congress than the White House, where pro executive experience is crucial.

re: #26 Lucius Septimius

Actually, I think you're right about the hard left eating comments like that right up, and you're probably right that it does hurt Hillary too some degree in the primaries. But, the hard, or perhaps the moderate?, left presumably had a dose of bitter medicine after the Lamont fiasco. Is it possible a lesson was learned?

Obama is so finished that the only thing left to do is publish his political obituary. Even my Man, the Reverend Al, well noted for his political views, never screwed up like this pygmy, Barack Hussein Obama. Al says that it's bad enough that Obama is making the race seem stupid, but to set back every gain for the race since Brow VS the Board of Education is beyond the pale.

In the real world, not the one Obama inhabits, just the fact that you have a weapon means that it is on the table.

That is why Iran is building a "bomb".

Besides that, my dad's life was saved by the nukes we used on Japan.
He and all his pilot buddies to a man did not expect to survive the invasion of the home islands.

re: #52 Dianna

Discussions with no pre-conditions.

And this genius wants to lead the free world? Heaven help us.

Keep talking, Obama... please don't ever shut up.

Obama certainly has been the tin-hat warrior, of late. A regular Nannycrat Clasusewitz, I'd say. Commodore Obama it is!
Loser.

Is he running for POTUS or Mayor of Berkeley?

re: #58 godfrey

Exactly! The right approach and the right place to start. We need a new majority party. Push the failed parties out. By 2010 many more will finally understand what I'm saying.

Hmm...
President Obama, Secretary of State Jane Fonda, Surgeon General Michael Moore.
Either a bad sitcom or a very frightening possibility.

It's tough for progressives to distinguish between what they want to say and what they should say. I feel for them.

If you take nukes off the table, you effectively geld deterrence. You are saying "You can hit us as hard as you can, but we won't reciprocate." It is a stupid and ultimately suicidal position.

We should have nuked Afghanistan in 2001. If for no other reason than to reinforce the lesson that we can hit them that hard.

It's never too late for a good demonstration.

Obama's got a blindfold on. He's carrying a pathetically small stick and swinging it wildly.

The pinata that he's trying to hit is A CLUE. And he hasn't gotten anywhere near it.

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Oh sure Charles, just kick a candidate when they are down...

/ :)

Can Hillary chew Obama up and still drag him back for the veep spot?

re: #64 NoSubmission

Keep talking, Obama... please don't ever shut up.

love Hillary

Kos kids say he was mis-quoted.

I haven't gone to the site to check, but I am sure they are saying he has benn mis-quoted....

Pardon me, but your ideology is showing.

re: #50 My 2 Cents

What does he bring to her ticket? She like all defeatocrats needs a strong southwestern element on the ticket. Since she has none herself she'll need a governor, or respected (lol) senator (my guess would be Bill Richardson) or some yet unnoticed dark horse. I think Obama (no blama) has never been under serious consideration by her team, the recent gaffes will wipe out even toying with the idea, he's just not ready.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....
Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Oh isn't THAT special?

re: #64 NoSubmission

Keep talking, Obama... please don't ever shut up.

Exactly.

This is the second major foreign policy verbal blunder he's made in the last couple days. First he announces he's going to invade another country, then he promises our enemies we won't use our arsenal, essentially rendering us a non-nuclear nation.

This guy is so far from being capable of leading, he shouldn't even be running.

A complete amateur.

Can we start asking the hard questions?

re: #66 JammieWearingFool

Is he running for POTUS or Mayor of Berkeley?

LOL!

He'd never win, though. Too far to the right. Kucinich is the man 'round these parts!

keep talking barry! this guy really is an empty suit, but an articulate one nonetheless

re: #61 Ojoe

Besides that, my dad's life was saved by the nukes we used on Japan.

My grandfather, too. My 30 seconds of "We Are the World" liberal activism when I was 11 was squelched by a kindly "without Truman authorizing The Bomb you wouldn't BE HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT."

Another Dhimmicrat feverishly searching for a flavour of the month popular platform to mollify and pander to whatever percolates votes from the great unwashed to bolster his deminishing support numbers --Political campagn whoring at it's best!

re: #61 Ojoe
Japanese lives were saved by the bombs. More of them would have died, too, if there had been an invasion. And Hiroshima and Nagasaki still might have been destroyed. Tokyo was virtually burned to the ground. Other Japanese cities would have suffered similar fates. I don't think the U.S. planned on many prolonged, Stalingrad-type sieges of Japanese cities. I think the plan was to burn most of them to the ground with everybody inside them.

re: #67 Roger

No kidding.

"R" - sells country out to big business.

"D" - pushes division and antagonism in the country to gain power.

Neither is good for the USA

I'm not well-versed in world history, so I ask the wizened lizards...

Is there any example in world history where the dismantling or removal of a key strategic capability (be it weapon, force or stratgey) has led to direct peace?

This is not a rhetorical question.

re: #80 zombie

I hope Shrillary has his speech writer do her stuff.

Rudderless Democrats.....
Hillary: We must not act unilaterally in Pakistan — wait, Barack said what? Okay, then we should

Forward motion by flip-flop?

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

Hillary must be ecstatic.

So weird. I can't figure whether this will make Hillary more likely to pick him for veep, or less.

I wonder if Obomba consulted the Paki's and was assured they wouldn't use nukes if the US attacked Pakistan.

..Just when I thought Pakistan would be nuked ...NOT..LoL

tank moment

Is there video or audio of this exchange?

For any President to take the nuclear option off the table even before pondering the potential threats facing the nation is gross irresponsibility. Even if you have no interest in doing so, you should never take it off the table in this kind of manner because it broadcasts to all enemies of the US that there are some places that the US would not go, even in the face of an oncoming nuclear assault. Obama has clearly indicated that he is more than willing to forgo the nuclear deterrent that the US nuclear arsenal, first built and conceived by FDR and Truman more than 60 years ago. Once again, Obama's naivete is telling.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Also the name of the General selected by Deborah in the bible.... so?

NoSubmission

The article I needed turned out to be at the Free Muslims Coalition as you suggested. And Killgore Trout linked to the exact article. Thanks to you both.

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

He's just bowing to Eskimo pressure. That "No Nukes of the North" is a pretty powerful group.

And the classics just keep on coming!

At least he should get a boost in donations from Iran, green light to nuke Israel with no worries of retaliation if he gets elected.

Look, I don't want someone in the White House I "like". I don't want to think he'd be some i could have a beer with. i don't want to think about how well he'll be hailed the word over. I suppose i want a drill instructor as President. A hard as nails guy you are generally scared shitless of, who you know deep down has you best interests at heart and that you would want next to you in a foxhole.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Really?

I can't understand why anyone takes this guy seriously. I mean, I always knew he was a lightweight, but come on. This is just proving how unserious the Dems are.

re: #70 Iron Fist

Also there was much speculation that the letter the first President Bush delivered to Saddam prior to Operation Desert Storm contained an implied threat that a US nuclear response was possible if the Iraqi's used chemical or biological weapons. This may or may not have prevented the Iraqi's doing so but it is always preferable to have options than not to.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Frack Barack?

Not nice...sorry.

re: #71 Edouard

Obama's got a blindfold on. He's carrying a pathetically small stick and swinging it wildly.

The pinata that he's trying to hit is A CLUE. And he hasn't gotten anywhere near it.

LOL! Perfect!

re: #86 mickthemick

Yes. The Japanese had 5,000 planes fitted and ready for Kamakazie attacks.
They would have used young foot soldiers in similar tactics on the ground.

But let's not look at the real world in this election cycle.

re: #60 gymnast

Oh I don't know. You give a pygmy the option of a nuclear weapon or a blow gun to run the only super power of the world against the sniveling jackals out there running most of the other countries, the pygmy would choose correctly and run the USA better than Obama ever could.

re: #87 Ojoe

There are a lot of people who agree with you.....

Number of Democrats Falls to New Low, Republicans Decline Too

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

wonder if he's named after the horse's head or the horse's ass?

Obama is not going to win the primary. He has no chance as of now.

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

At this rate, tomorrow he'll announce plans to invade Canada.

This clown may be doing standup on BET before long.

Has he been talking public speaking lessons from John Kerry? I've read it about five times and still I'm confused..

re: #59 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #26 Lucius Septimius

Actually, I think you're right about the hard left eating comments like that right up, and you're probably right that it does hurt Hillary too some degree in the primaries. But, the hard, or perhaps the moderate?, left presumably had a dose of bitter medicine after the Lamont fiasco. Is it possible a lesson was learned?

No, they haven't learned. And Obama poses a serious threat to Hillary since he already can count on 15-20% of the core Democrat vote (blacks). If he can draw the moonbats and the anti-Hillary liberals, he's got a strong chance to create real trouble for her.

The LLL plan for the US:
Destroy our nuclear capability;
Open the borders:
Dismantle the military;
Socialize everything (in the name of the children, whatever);
Raise taxes;
Coddle criminals;
Destroy the concept, ideals and the history of the US; and then
Declare the Millennium.

When they get through with us, we'll be looking at the people of Zimbabwe with envy.

An extremely well-placed national security adviser for a certain Western-friendly arab nation that I dated once said that Obama was a rising star--bigger than Hillary, whom he is also good friends with. He also said he had met Dinnerjacket and said that 'he wasn't such a bad guy, he's just pandering to his voter base.'

re: #82 zombie

Kucinich is the man 'round these parts!

Really? I don't know anybody around here who has endorsed him, and I live in S.F. Among my own personal acquaintances, I know plenty of Obama supporters, more than for Edwards or Clinton. I've never personally heard anybody in S.F. claim to support Kucinich.

Is he becoming more stupid as time goes on?

Nukes are there for Americas' defence. You have the psychological advantage in that you have actually used nukes - against the Japanese. That shows that if it became necessary for your ultimate defence or to eliminate an enemy who has nuked you . you have already proved that you will. This might put all but the most lunatic terrorists off using nukes against you (hopefully) if you threaten to take out their home countries/sponsors or even more.
A short time ago Putin threatened to nuke Europe over the defence missiles that the USA wanted to put in Poland. The Brits' attitude was 'whatever' as we've always assumed that they were targetted on us anyway. Now he's trying to lay claim to the Arctic. The Ruskies are getting restless and if they think there will be a weakling in the White House it will only get worse. Lets not bother going near Iran and N Korea.
Dim-wit doesn't seem to understand that there are plenty of people out there who will very happily kill your civilians - and he cavilling at killing a few of theirs! Hellooooo - if it's nuke time you're galloping towards armagedon. Someone wave a reality sensor over that man.

re: #110 Killgore Trout

I registered Independent quite some time ago. From Green.

#112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

It's going to be a squeeker: Giuliani 46% Clinton 45%

OT, this was interesting and frightening:
Four young Americans take a journey into Islam

As any evolved Progressive knows, dialogue is always more effective than weapons.

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

Well, the accords/agreements to limit the size and number of battleships did nothing to deter the Japanese from building aircraft carriers and knocking out our fleet, however temporarily, or the Germans from building the submarines that nearly strangled Great Britain, or the pocket battleships that also savaged allied shipping.

re: #16 beblebrox

Awwww. Now they'll drop all their hatred and love us. Everybody! Who's for a rowsing round of Kumbaya?

Don't sully my name with any reference to this empty suit.

So he'd attack Pakistan, get our troops nuked, and not nuke back?

/Tough! Smart!

So was his first statement a mis-quote or the "scratch that" portion? He doesn't know how far to pander to the left without running into problems like this.

Hillary will show Obama the "proper" way to pander.

/spit/choke/ughhh

Obama further demonstrating his disqualifications to be President.

/amateur, neophyte, pencil neck...

re: #72 Kerfuffle

And with Barack Hussein Obama? We will, G-d forbid, get this...

He would hand out water pistols to defend ourselves.

Obama has a better weapon - The Nuance Bomb.

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Really?

From the Wiki...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and a note to future candidates: just because The Oprah thinks your cool, does not mean you can go from the state senate to the white house, with a short stop in the US senate.

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought? What's next, we'll never use any force whatsoever to defend the hard won freedoms of the West because someone somewhere might be offended?

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

I'm not sure what's more amusing...watching this guy literally blow his campaign out of the air or Dean's "I Have a Scream" Speech

re: #122 Killgore Trout

But does that take into account the Electoral College? Me thinks the states go blueish.

re: #112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy anybody.

Not necessarily "fixed," but I'll take it.

Maybe we can just give them away then, since we would never use them under any circumstance? I'm sure somebody could use 'em.

Maybe the dems could use the $ to reduce the deficit and get the economy back on the right track?

Uh oh, Obama flunked the Global Test.

Guess we're looking at Hillary/Edwards now instead.

LOL! A masculine woman for Prez with a feminine man for VP. A match made in liberal heaven, for sure.

Newsweek said Obama was raised "secular" to avoid the fact he is a Muslim apostate. He was born a Muslim according to Islamic law.

#98, zombie. I have posted my views many times previously on this website as you know. The plans of the Eskimo peoples for world domination are well underway. The CIA is doing everything in their power to hide the truth about global warming and the rise of Eskimo global power. It is no accident that the Russians planted their flag under the ice at the North Pole the other day. If they tried to do that on the surface, the Eskimo's would have kicked their ass all the way back to the Kolyma.

I will also have all Trident Subs cruise on the surface while radioing their locations to Russia, China, Iran, heck even to France. Not fair we have subs that nobody can detect, makes the world too unstable. Also we need to stop making stealthy planes, not fair to the rest of the world. Also I need somebody to sleep with my wife, as it is too much effort to defend her.

Sincerely,

The cool and cute Obama

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

I'm not well-versed in world history, so I ask the wizened lizards...

Is there any example in world history where the dismantling or removal of a key strategic capability (be it weapon, force or stratgey) has led to direct peace?

This is not a rhetorical question.

No.

re: #62 formercorpsman

That would be a disaster, I think we agree.

Why is it that people will not believe what their enemies are saying? It happens again and again in recent history, as if we've lost the simple ability to understand that all too often, people do say what they mean.

That used to drive me nuts, whenever I'd read the work of someone of the "signalling" school of Kremlinology.

re: #135 Roger

No, it's just % of the population. I hadn't though of electoral college implications.

Is it wrong that I want my president to say....

Yes, we have nuclear weapons. We do not want to use them, but are not afraid to if the situation is dire enough to warrant it.

Obama: No brains, evah.

Obama has a better weapon - The Nuance Bomb.

That's funny. :)

re: #82 zombie

re: #66 JammieWearingFool

Is he running for POTUS or Mayor of Berkeley?

LOL!

He'd never win, though. Too far to the right. Kucinich is the man 'round these parts!

True, I didn't consider him.

Actually saw the mayor on FNC last night discussing the Stalinist march toward all things green.

A consequence he hadn't though of was everyone moving out of town due to the outrageously suffocating and expensive lifestyle demands being imposed. People there are realizing how expensive socialism is when actually put into practice. Unfortunately, neighboring areas will likely absorb further influxes of moonbattery.

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

Depends on what you mean by peace? Peace in of itself has no particular moral standing. At Munich the Allied powers removed from Czechoslovakia there strategic defense line in the Sudetenland and handed it over to Hitler. This bought "peace" for a brief period of time even in Czechoslovakia but it soon led to war when the Allies reached a point of resistance to further demands.

I'm sure there have been many other instances but does "peace" in such circumstances equal good?

re: #145 Sponge

Is it wrong that I want my president to say....

Yes, we have nuclear weapons. We do not want to use them, but are not afraid to if the situation is dire enough to warrant it.

Not wrong at all...that's 67% of America...

(Last count had Libs at 33%ish of America) ;)

Just remember we are viewing Obamas' comments through our prism. It may play very well with the liberals and Dems who are based on emotion not reason. Once the topic changes again and it is all about the children, or the elderly, or the least among us this will be forgotten. The typical Dem attention span is about the length of sit com episode. Which coincidentally is the amount of time they allocate to solving any problem.

But it would be so progressive to have a black president.

re: #122 Killgore Trout Hey KT - from your link:
"Giuliani's overall favorable rating has slipped to 50% in the latest poll, with 42% holding a negative view. Those are Giuliani’s weakest numbers so far in Election 2008.

The two Republican leaders are thus neither as popular with their own party as Clinton, nor as unpopular with all voters.
Looks to me like the NYSlimes efforts to make Guiliani look bad are working. Too bad.

Obama is a bi-racial candidate.

Scratch that. He's a black candidate.

Someone's got issues.

I Googled Barack Mohammed's horse and found this rather special thing. It turns out that he's the anti-Christ.

What he meant was, he will only use the nuclear option against Bush's judicial nominees.

re: #125 Leonidas Hoplite

You're referring to the Washington Naval Treaty, which set limits on capital ship size.

WHAT AN IDIOT!

The liberal hag (Ann Quindlen?) who writes about 75% (they let George Will write about one a month) of the last page editorial in News Weak a couple of weeks ago really thought Hillary, (aka Stalin in a Pantsuit) should pick Obama as her VP. Why? Because it would finally prove America had arrived, a women leading the ticket with an African-American running mate. No other reason, really. Just that the ticket would be gender and ethnic diverse.

This clown has no chance at winning the nomination, but I put the odds that he is 50/50 from being one heartbeat/snuke away from being the CinC in 18 months.

Scary.

re: #147 Tupac23X

That was @ #131

not ready for primetime.

re: #155 rappmandu

I thought skin color was not supposed to matter.

I'll bet (Ras)Putin, our ChiCom buddies, and anyone else with anything larger than an X-ray machine is now officially on notice that the future of th free U.S. is in good hands. Good for them. of course.

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

He's just bowing to Eskimo pressure. That "No Nukes of the North" is a pretty powerful group.

/groan

That was very very bad.

(I rather liked it)

I live in a moonbat enclave that just LOVES this guy. (suburb of Boston) It will be wonderful to hear how they wallpaper over this one. If Kennedy call let a girl drown and still be senator for life, a little slip like this will not even be a blip on the radar.....

and Yes, the Hildabeast is ecstatic right now.

WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said Thursday he would not use nuclear weapons in any circumstance.

"What the hell we supposed to use, man, harsh language?"

/Aliens

Barack Hussein is the most stupid Presidential candidate I have ever seen or heard of in my entire life.

Barack Hussein makes Mike Dukakis look like a genius.

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

I'm not well-versed in world history, so I ask the wizened lizards...

Is there any example in world history where the dismantling or removal of a key strategic capability (be it weapon, force or stratgey) has led to direct peace?

This is not a rhetorical question.

Short answer? No.

Long answer? Hell, no. The very closest you come is the (rational) decision by both the Axis and Allied Powers in WWII to avoid first use of poison gas.

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

Actually, Obama isn't doing all that well with African Americans. This article from the New York Times is pretty enlightening.

''When you think of a president, you think of an American,'' said Mr. Lanier, a 58-year-old barber who is still considering whether to support Mr. Obama. ''We've been taught that a president should come from right here, born, raised, bred, fed in America. To go outside and bring somebody in from another nationality, now that doesn't feel right to some people.''

Although it's pretty frightening that someone who's eligible to vote doesn't understand that if you're born in America, you're an American.

Nukes are latent in the very structure of the universe and I think we're supposed to have them.

Obama is going to be anti nuclear? This is not a good way to use nuclear weapons as a deterrent when you say you are not going to use it. This is very stupid!

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

At this rate, tomorrow he'll announce plans to invade Canada.

This clown may be doing standup on BET before long.

Hey we'll kick your non-nuke as*ses.

Ya know, I'm now hoping he wins the nomination. With all these fab quotes that Rudy can use against him in his campain comercials (not to mention debates), it will be a rout.

Rudy: But what if Packistan or Iran uses nukes first?

Obama: Well, I can be for using nukes after I was against using them.

re: #52 Dianna

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

If they nuke us, he will negotiate. If they nuke Israel, he will clap.

B. Hussein Obama, Stinkin' Ijit.

But he's so "articulate and clean".
He should be President just becuase.

re: #154 realwest

There's still plenty of time. I also think that when it really comes down to it people aren't going to vote to raise taxes, increase the cost of gas and abandon the war on terrorism. She has a lot of problems.

Dianna( #52),

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

Ow come on now Diana, He's tough on foreign policy.
He'll send a strongly worded letter.

tupac23x,

Maybe the dems could use the $ to reduce the deficit and get the economy back on the right track?

You forgot the sarc tag.

re: #164 Big_Iron With all due respect, "...now officially on notice that the future of th free U.S. is in good hands. Good for them."
Only if Obama becomes President and even then I wouldn't trust that statement with my life. Neither should they.

re: #122 Killgore Trout

#112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

It's going to be a squeeker: Giuliani 46% Clinton 45%

I think that when people start to think about what (or who) Bill will be doing while Hillary is in office, that people will not want to vote for Hillary. That is crude, but honestly. I don't want a President whose husband is messing around on her all the time. I'm not speculating, I know someone who works closely with one of the Clintons who says that they basically have an open marriage.

Obama can help Americans forget Hillary is also a first term Senator who never before held elective office, whose plans for socialized medicine helped the Republicans win the House of Representatives for the first time in decades, and who is otherwise known only for her amazing ability to turn small investments into huge sums and managing to lose billing records from a small town Arkansas law firm and find them again in the weirdest places.

Buzzsawmonkey. Sorry 'bout that. You are truly on the inside track when you are astute enough to to have knowledge of the subtle mechanizations and front groups of the Eskimo Power Movement.

re: #169 Dianna

& gas not a good weapon anyway because wind shifts can blow it back on you.

And he wants to be my latex salesman...

re: #170 doppelganglander

re: #115 Lucius Septimius

Actually, Obama isn't doing all that well with African Americans. This article from the New York Times is pretty enlightening.

''When you think of a president, you think of an American,'' said Mr. Lanier, a 58-year-old barber who is still considering whether to support Mr. Obama. ''We've been taught that a president should come from right here, born, raised, bred, fed in America. To go outside and bring somebody in from another nationality, now that doesn't feel right to some people.''

Although it's pretty frightening that someone who's eligible to vote doesn't understand that if you're born in America, you're an American.

In Atlanta, all I'm hearing is "Obama," and I wouldn't trust the NYT on this issue, given that they are going to pull out all the stops to convince everyone that Hillary will be president. Let's just say the guys at the barber shop don't read the Times.

This is all a ploy by the Dems, Hillary is trying to pander to the "moderates", while Barack Hussein panders to the lunatic kook left fringe.

It's all being set up for a Clinton/Hussein 08 candidacy.

If America votes these two lunatics in, then America will truly deserve the guarenteed disasterous consequences that result from it.

Gandhi Stinks.....
New Bollywood film shows imperfect side of Gandhi

"It's a brilliantly made film about a tragic episode in our family. I was deeply moved; I cried," said Tushar Gandhi, Gandhi's great-grandson, after a private screening.

"It's easy to do a hatchet job and brand him a failed father, but it's difficult to make a film where you feel the pain suffered by all characters," he said

Reached for comment in reaction to Obama's "no-nuke" policy, former Vermont Governor and presidential candidate Howard Dean said, "yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhwwwhehhharrrrrrgghghhahhhfw!"

====

The sound of a candidacy imploding, 2007: "I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons... Let me scratch that..."

The sound of a candidacy imploding, 2003:"yeeeeeaaaaahhhhhhwwwhehhharrrrrrgghghhahhhfw!"

re: #181 insanity police

I don't know why that should matter, but it does rub me the wrong way. The Dems don't bring Bill up much, but her Republican opposition will not play with kid gloves.

Obama, with that statement, just aced "Confusion 101" at Harvard!

#11 Thanks! Great line! hahaha

He also makes Karzai of Afganistan look like a vassal, as if we could use his country as a platform to attack it's neighbor without his approval.

re: #163 Ojoe

Yep. That's why I say he's got issues. He's bi-racial but insists on emphasizing his skin color.

re: #156 MandyManners

I Googled Barack Mohammed's horse and found this rather special thing. It turns out that he's the anti-Christ.

I guess that's why he would go ahead and invade Pakistan and get Musharaff assasinated. More room in the caliphate.

re: #96 Buck

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Also the name of the General selected by Deborah in the bible.... so?

Buck, note the word in bold in my original post. There is no 'so?'.

re: #173 scottthecanuck

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

At this rate, tomorrow he'll announce plans to invade Canada.

This clown may be doing standup on BET before long.

Hey we'll kick your non-nuke as*ses.

Ironically, he's announced we'll come through via the Peace Bridge.

re: #58 godfrey

Ginn, I agree with you that non-pro politicians are essential to our government, but they're probably better placed in Congress than the White House, where pro executive experience is crucial.

Yes, well of course.

No, wait. I disagree. Pro-politician can mean extreme narcissism and an inability to lead, a la, John Kerry or John Edwards. A pro-politician has his finger to wind, (and other places). Blown this way and that, he's anchored to a Poll.

Where is Representative JC Watts when you need him?

re: #195 jehu

Did you waive to the line as you crossed it?

re: #197 JammieWearingFool

re: #173 scottthecanuck

re: #113 JammieWearingFool

At this rate, tomorrow he'll announce plans to invade Canada.

This clown may be doing standup on BET before long.

Hey we'll kick your non-nuke as*ses.

Ironically, he's announced we'll come through via the Peace Bridge.

Just make sure you bring lots of yummy reconstruction money.

re: #177 Killgore Trout Yup, I agree completely. But I also have no doubt at all that her campaign is keeping a "clippings" file on him (and the other "pretenders to her throne") and I suspect the Dem side of the choosing of a nominee is going to get REALLY NASTY before it's over.

re: #193 rappmandu

The LLLs near me think his skin color is just so cool.
Issues all around.

The thought of this joker as a President is pretty far fetched. However, if he teams up with Hillary, that would be a symbolic pairing would most likely win over a more sober GOP field.

Not liking that thought. This guy needs to be called on the carpet by journalists who actually know how to ask a question - do any exist anymore? .....Correction, do any exist that are not head in the sand moonbats?

re: #160 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

The liberal hag (Ann Quindlen?) who writes about 75% (they let George Will write about one a month) of the last page editorial in News Weak a couple of weeks ago really thought Hillary, (aka Stalin in a Pantsuit) should pick Obama as her VP. Why? Because it would finally prove America had arrived, a women leading the ticket with an African-American running mate. No other reason, really. Just that the ticket would be gender and ethnic diverse.

This clown has no chance at winning the nomination, but I put the odds that he is 50/50 from being one heartbeat/snuke away from being the CinC in 18 months.

Scary.

Sorry, Ed, I don't buy it. That ticket would still be 100% white, so it's just no good. :)

re: #45 doppelganglander

Obama's just a bit older than I am, and I think he's waaaay too young and inexperienced to even be in the Senate, let alone president. If I were a cartoonist, I'd portray him in a Little Lord Fauntleroy suit.

I can visualize John Edwards in a big Lord Fauntleroy suit.

re: #181 insanity police

re: #122 Killgore Trout

#112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

It's going to be a squeeker: Giuliani 46% Clinton 45%

I think that when people start to think about what (or who) Bill will be doing while Hillary is in office, that people will not want to vote for Hillary. That is crude, but honestly. I don't want a President whose husband is messing around on her all the time. I'm not speculating, I know someone who works closely with one of the Clintons who says that they basically have an open marriage.

Well, rumors abound that Stalina is not into men (including a rumor that Bill bragged an actual rape was required in order to conceive Chelsea), appearing to be a family man is important for any political candidate, so she helps him, and how many other people who have never held public office (at least RFK had been AG before carpet-bagging it to NY) get elected to the Senate? So he has helped her. Mutually beneficial arrangement. If she is indeed not into men, why should she be offended if he sleeps around (although I'm sure she'd prefer he were a bit more discrete)?

re: #182 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Obama can help Americans forget Hillary is also a first term Senator whonever before held elective office, whose plans for socialized medicine helpedthe Republicans win the House of Representatives for the first time in decades,and who is otherwise known only for her amazing ability to turn small investmentsinto huge sums and managing to lose billing records from a small town Arkansaslaw firm and find them again in the weirdest places.

Spot on, but (unfortunately) she's now in the first year of her second term.

My, how quickly the nightmare has gone by.

I hope that he and "Big Hills" (take-off on the cleavage kerfluffle of course) ARE the nominees of the Dhimmicrat party. Then we can really find out for sure how many Socialists there really are in this country.

re: #139 Beagle

Every time I read that, I cringe.

The very last thing this country needs is some insane muslim to kill a presidential candidate.

re: #119 mickthemick

We run in different circles, apparently. The people I know grudgingly support Kucinich. He's barely acceptable. If only Mumia abu Jamal could run, we'd have the perfect candidate!

re: #182 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Ed, she won re-election, so technically she's a second term Senator. Not that she's done anything positve for the Nation while she's been a senator, ya understand

re: #211 zombie

It is really that crazy.

This guy is SO READY to be president !

re: #204 Russkilitlover

The thought of this joker as a President is pretty far fetched. However, if he teams up with Hillary, that would be a symbolic pairing would most likely win over a more sober GOP field.

Not liking that thought. This guy needs to be called on the carpet by journalists who actually know how to ask a question - do any exist anymore? .....Correction, do any exist that are not head in the sand moonbats?

This one seems reasonable .......apologies in advance.

re: #196 Kerfuffle

Buck, note the word in bold in my original post. There is no 'so?'.

I see, I thought you might have a point.

No Dem will re: #204 Russkilitlover

No Dem Candidate will ever be asked a substantive or difficult question by the MSM sycophants. Mush less be held to account for stupid, conflicting statements.

Watch for a firestorm of controversy when President Bush fails to get ahead of this story and say that he, too, would not nuke civilians.

Doesn't Obama look like the little brother of the advisor to Geena Davis on Commander-in-Chief?

re: #207 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #181 insanity police

re: #122 Killgore Trout

#112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

It's going to be a squeeker: Giuliani 46% Clinton 45%

I think that when people start to think about what (or who) Bill will be doing while Hillary is in office, that people will not want to vote for Hillary. That is crude, but honestly. I don't want a President whose husband is messing around on her all the time. I'm not speculating, I know someone who works closely with one of the Clintons who says that they basically have an open marriage.

Well, rumors abound that Stalina is not into men (including a rumor that Bill bragged an actual rape was required in order to conceive Chelsea), appearing to be a family man is important for any political candidate, so she helps him, and how many other people who have never held public office (at least RFK had been AG before carpet-bagging it to NY) get elected to the Senate? So he has helped her. Mutually beneficial arrangement. If she is indeed not into men, why should she be offended if he sleeps around (although I'm sure she'd prefer he were a bit more discrete)?

She might not mind...but the voters might mind. I don't want any sexual harassment lawsuits against the First-man, and I don't want Bill's rondevoux pictures all over the rags for the next 8 years.

re: #178 Geepers

Dianna( #52),

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

Ow come on now Diana, He's tough on foreign policy.
He'll send a strongly worded letter.

No, he'll have his attorney send a strongly worded letter. A nastygram with a law firm's letterhead would really make them sit up and take notice, right?

hahaha

OT
Israel's Channel 10 news is reporting that Egyptian soldiers have murdered tonight four Sudanese refugees that were trying to cross the border to Israel.
I imagine the Arab League, the United Nations and CNN will be quick to condemn this war crime.

re: #61 Ojoe

Well then, Ojoe, in the words of Paul Fussell "thank God for the atom bomb." I read and enjoyed his book of the same name, in which he drily notes that those who think dropping the bombs on Japan was "morally wrong" etc are almost entirely far too young to have had to contemplate the invasion of Japan as a cold reality.

While those who were THERE, with that reality staring them in the face, almost universally support having dropped the bomb.

And then there are those of us such as myself, and presumably yourself, who although too young are nevertheless somewhat able to imagine the appalling price they would have had to pay for the invasion. Thank God for the atom bomb, indeed....

BTW I read that up until just a few years ago, our military was *still* awarding Purple Hearts that had been manufactured in preparation for the invasion of Japan. HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS. EVERY Purple Heart awarded in Korea, Vietnam, and every action of the past 60 years was originally earmarked for an American set to become a casualty in the invasion of Japan. I can hardly contemplate that. Your dad and his pilot buddies did not expect to survive? Well, evidently nobody else expected them to survive either.

But he did survive, and thank God for that! Thanks for the post and your story!

daltec

re: #201 scottthecanuckRight after we cross the Peace Bridge, we're going up the road and looting the Brewer's Retail.

We shall come bearing 6.5% beer. Suffering from pangs of consciousness, however, we'll leave the deposit for every beer we steal.

Hey, vote for me!

/I am King of the Assclowns!

I yearn for the day when it was Daffy Duck and not a presidential candidate who went around saying "Shoot me now!"

re: #200 insanity police

re: #195 jehu

Did you waive to the line as you crossed it?

I think what jehu said is spot on, and even further than that, Barack Hussein believes in those very things.

Hussein believes in all of the twisted, dangerous, perverted, immoral things that nearly all of the leftist Democrats believe in.

As a politician he really isn't very political.
Every time he opens his mouth the truth about what he thinks pops out.

re: #142 Cartman

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

No.

re: #169 Dianna

re: #88 SonOfLiberty

Short answer? No.

Long answer? Hell, no. The very closest you come is the (rational) decision by both the Axis and Allied Powers in WWII to avoid first use of poison gas.

I didn't think so, but I thought I'd ask anyway.

re: #208 JammieWearingFool

re: #182 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Obama can help Americans forget Hillary is also a first term Senator whonever before held elective office, whose plans for socialized medicine helpedthe Republicans win the House of Representatives for the first time in decades,and who is otherwise known only for her amazing ability to turn small investmentsinto huge sums and managing to lose billing records from a small town Arkansaslaw firm and find them again in the weirdest places.

Spot on, but (unfortunately) she's now in the first year of her second term.

My, how quickly the nightmare has gone by.

Has she passed Jean Francois Qerie Jon Carry yet in the number of important pieces of legislation she has sponsored yet?

That is my Mendoza Line for Senatorial achievement.

re: #138 NiceLass

Guess we're looking at Hillary/Edwards now instead.

She'll pick a governor for some credibility. I'm guessing vilsack.

200 insanity police

Did I cross a line worse than a Presidential candidate that just announced to the world..."Go ahead an nuke us, we will just wring our hands and cry."

Truly this is the perfect storm of the elevation of worthless cultural values, combined with the perfect ethno-candidate for gutless liberals that think like 12 year old mall-rat girls. It is like a country filling up with Miss America contestants that via a vote can affect the freedom of perhaps the entire earth.

This narcism of the American electorate on the liberal side is IMO one of the greatest evils ever to be upon the earth. For people to have the power to change the course of human history and free perhaps billions, to then squander this upon a self-centered lust to fulfill personal fantasies is sick beyond even the sickness of the Jihadists.

My grandfather, too. My 30 seconds of "We Are the World" liberal activism when I was 11 was squelched by a kindly "without Truman authorizing The Bomb you wouldn't BE HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT."

My great uncle fought at Okinawa. That battle was one of the nastiest in the Pacific and it was considered a prelude for what awaited the allies if they invaded Japan. Estimates were that an invasion of Japan would kill between 5 - 10 million Japanese soldiers and civilians. Both bombs combined killed 330,000 people.

The use of nuclear weapons actually did save lives.

Not that Obama cares.

Obama's and idiot.

First I'll invade an ally.
Then won't use nukes.

Your neighbor might be a scum bag, but when a low life breaks into your house and he comes to help you threaten him? Mussarf might not be the most savory character but right now is better than nothing. Stalin was a monster but the more dangerous monster of the time was Hitler.

There is a reason the diplomatic term "all options" is used. It does mean you will use a weapon, it means all means to defend ourselves will be used if needed.

He's alienated allies, and essentially surrendered in two days.

*spit*

re: #216 Buck

re: #196 Kerfuffle

Buck, note the word in bold in my original post. There is no 'so?'.

I see, I thought you might have a point.

I have several, but not in this particular instance. However, Mandy seems to have unmasked the real Obama

re: #204 Russkilitlover

The thought of this joker as a President is pretty far fetched. However, if he teams up with Hillary, that would be a symbolic pairing would most likely win over a more sober GOP field.

Not liking that thought. This guy needs to be called on the carpet by journalists who actually know how to ask a question - do any exist anymore? .....Correction, do any exist that are not head in the sand moonbats?

I have many, many very staunch Democrat family members who have sworn to not vote for either Hillary or Barack Hussein.

In fact, they are sick to their stomachs at the total Democrat field of candidates.

I wouldn't be too quick to crown them king and queen.

re: #211 zombie

My sister is a hard-Lefty and she loves Kucinich but, because she is also a "realist", she will vote Obama this time around.

She still has her Kucinich sticker on her car from 2004 though.....I guess it would just be too emotional for her to peel it off.

I can't even imagine how badly this guy would deal with Vladimir Putin or Hu Jintao. Who's Obama trying to give hope?!

Barak is remembered in the New Testament as one who "through faith defeated kingdoms in conflict". (Hebrews 11:32-34)

Maybe that is why this Barak thinks he does not NEED weapons?

He is commemorated as one of the Holy Forefathers in the Calendar of Saints of the Armenian Apostolic Church on July 30.

- [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Obama '08!

Scratch that.

re: #210 Dianna

re: #139 Beagle

Every time I read that, I cringe.

The very last thing this country needs is some insane muslim to kill a presidential candidate.

Does the name Sirhan Sirhan rings any bells?

I think he plans to stop terrorists simply by the power of his raised hand and serious "I mean business" face.

re: #186 Lucius Septimius

I didn't know you were in Atlanta. I am too. You may be right about the prevailing local sentiment (frankly, I don't get out that much). But the NYT article quotes a poll they didn't conduct:

His supporters, who note that he carried the black vote in his Senate race, say they are unperturbed by a recent Washington Post-ABC News poll that found that 20 percent of black voters surveyed supported Mr. Obama while 60 percent supported Ms. Clinton. The survey had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus nine percentage points.

That's a big margin of error, but still, 60-20 in Hillary's favor is pretty convincing.

re: #232 jehu

200 insanity police

Did I cross a line worse than a Presidential candidate that just announced to the world..."Go ahead an nuke us, we will just wring our hands and cry."

Truly this is the perfect storm of the elevation of worthless cultural values, combined with the perfect ethno-candidate for gutless liberals that think like 12 year old mall-rat girls. It is like a country filling up with Miss America contestants that via a vote can affect the freedom of perhaps the entire earth.

This narcism of the American electorate on the liberal side is IMO one of the greatest evils ever to be upon the earth. For people to have the power to change the course of human history and free perhaps billions, to then squander this upon a self-centered lust to fulfill personal fantasies is sick beyond even the sickness of the Jihadists.

Spot on jehu!

Ayaan Hirsi Ali has an editorial at Washington Post / Newsweek today: My View of Islam

I really don't see why this comment would cost him in the primaries (which is all that matters now).

The problem with primaries, and particularly for the Democrats, is getting the vote out. Generally speaking, primaries are driven by special interests of the most "special" kind. Such comments could help Obama draw votes from the more radical fringes (kucinich, for example, who won't make it to the end of the primaries anyway) while maintaining his basically white limousine-liberal base. The Code Pinko types can't stand Hillary, and these kind of comments could galvanize them.

As for the Black vote, the key is in the SOUTH. The Democrats are searching for the magical formula that will allow them to retake the south. In the primaries, it's hard to get the Black vote out (I've seen figures as low as 5% turn-out). They'll stay home for Hillary, but enough might come out to vote for Obama to turn the tables. Again -- we're talking primaries, not the general election at this point.

Actually, I think the real winner might end up being Edwards. He has severaladvantages that might be crucial coming into the primaries.

1) He has no record on the continuation of the war. He can say, honestly, that since he's been out of office since the "quagmire" began, he has not responsibility -- he doesn't have to answer questions on the war (which is the primary issue for the Dems) in the way that Hillary or Obama do.
2) He can wave the bloody shirt of "stolen elections," while many of the hard-core Dems still blame the Clintons for 2000. Keep in mind, before the Clintons came around, Gore and Kerry were both considered the rising stars of the Democrat establishment, and the establishment folks haven't forgotten.
3) He knows how to campaign in the "sold South" which the Dems want back so desperately. More than that -- he's the kind of white politician that southern Blacks would vote for (Hillary won't draw them to the polls, even with Bill around). He stands an excellent chance of splitting the crucial Black vote in the Southern primaries.
4) All jokes aside, his strategy with his wife is working to pull more women voters to his side.

All Edwards needs to do is keep his mouth shut, let Elizabeth do the "pathetic woman on the couch" talk-show circuit and let Obama and Hillary pummel each other, and he has an excellent shot of splitting the vote among key constituencies to put him on the platform. Not saying it will happen, but it's not nearly as unlikely as people seem to think.

re: #178 Geepers

Flowers will say it better.

Particularly dead flowers.

re: #78 scottthecanuck

re: #50 My 2 Cents

What does he bring to her ticket? She like all defeatocrats needs a strong southwestern element on the ticket. Since she has none herself she'll need a governor, or respected (lol) senator (my guess would be Bill Richardson) or some yet unnoticed dark horse. I think Obama (no blama) has never been under serious consideration by her team, the recent gaffes will wipe out even toying with the idea, he's just not ready.

What Obama brings to the ticket is absolute media immunity from rational criticism. The media will be able to counter-attack any arguments against either of them by simply asserting the questioner is either sexist or racist. Together, but not separately, these two are a 100% politically-correct ticket. And they will thus receive many, many billions of dollars worth for free support from the MSM, even more than either would individually. Likewise, the MSM will massively support efforts to commit voter fraud, while accusing Republicans of voter fraud (again, playing both the sexism and racism cards to the full extent conceivable -- and beyond.)

re: #233 Dirk Diggler

My grandfather, too. My 30 seconds of "We Are the World" liberal activism when I was 11 was squelched by a kindly "without Truman authorizing The Bomb you wouldn't BE HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT."

My great uncle fought at Okinawa. That battle was one of the nastiest in the Pacific and it was considered a prelude for what awaited the allies if they invaded Japan. Estimates were that an invasion of Japan would kill between 5 - 10 million Japanese soldiers and civilians. Both bombs combined killed 330,000 people.

The use of nuclear weapons actually did save lives.

Not that Obama cares.

I spent half an hour in a history class explaining that very thing. And that the fire bombing of Tokyo killed more people.

They could not get past NUCLEAR WEAPON.

re: #207 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Jealousy -- can't stand the competition or his success rate.

Ed,

Has she passed Jean Francois Qerie Jon Carry yet in the number of important pieces of legislation she has sponsored yet?

That is my Mendoza Line for Senatorial achievement.

I know a trick question when I see one.

They both have zero, correct?

I think her next important piece of legislation will be the Teflon Pantsuit Protection Act of 2007.

#205 Bob's Kid

I've seen a couple of cars running around with Hillary/Obama '08 bumper stickers, so there are rank-and-file Dems out there that would like to see this.

re: #248 My 2 Cents

What Obama brings to the ticket is absolute media immunity from rational criticism.

You hit the nail on the head there.

Soooo... the guy who says he would invade nuclear armed Pakistan says he won't use nukes? Ever... oppsy... well.. maybe not never...
open mouth insert leg...
let him connect with the superficial moronovichs all that he can-when shrillary "steals" the nomination from him it'll piss them all off all the more...

re: #232 jehu

I knew this was coming.

How you been Jehu?

SPEW ALERT!

Obama sings, "Let's Get Along"

No Cukes! Give Peas a Chance!
/graffiti found on my college cafeteria wall.

OT: Must read essay,

Turkey’s leaders plan Muslim Europe by Edward Luttwak

If you thought Turkey was no threat to the West, think again. A new generation of politicians is aiming to Islamise the state by stealth. The AKP - Adalet ve Kalkinma Partisi, or Justice and Development Party - has a stranglehold on Turkey for the foreseeable future. For the AKP, democracy is merely a means to a higher Islamic goal...

Since coming to power, the AKP has done nothing revolutionary, but it does have a revolutionary agenda. For all their suavity, its leaders seek to transform the country into a Sunni Muslim republic. This collides with institutions and laws strictly limiting Islam's role in public life, and with a long-standing security alliance with Israel.

It also collides with democracy itself, for no Koranic state can have a sovereign parliament...

A sinister slogan attributed to the AKP is that democracy is 'a bus we can ride until we reach our station'. Under Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan and his foreign secretary Abdullah Gul, the party has been cautious until now.

...The AKP's apparent ambitions in Europe are its most strategic deceptions. Ostensibly, the aim is simply to accelerate Turkey's climb to prosperity.

However, a key condition imposed by the EU is the army's abrogation of political authority - which suits the AKP just fine, for the military is the greatest barrier to Islamisation. Moreover, the party shares the Islamist belief that Europe will inevitably be conquered by the high birthrates of its Muslim inhabitants - and Turkey's entry would immediately add some 70 million.

...Although the wind is blowing their way, I doubt if more than 15 per cent of the population really want a full-blown Sunni republic. But the AKP is being patient. Gul and Erdogan are clearly willing to defer Turkey's Islamisation if they can advance Europe's.

Kemalism is dead.

re: #232 jehu

I was kidding. I thought your first comment was funny. Not really out of line (although Obama would feel differently).

I am in complete agreement with your most recent comment.

re: #243 doppelganglander

It's a question of whether they'll turn out to vote for her -- Bill Campbell and Shirley "they gonna bring back dogs and fire-hoses" Franklin were both elected by white liberals (especially gays) in Buckhead, Five Points, the Highlands, and Midtown. South Atlanta districts didn't vote, or the five or six people who did vote didn't vote for Bill or Shirley. That's what makes me suspicious of projecting voter results from polls.

What part of the ATL?

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

#205 Bob's Kid

I've seen a couple of cars running around with Hillary/Obama '08 bumper stickers, so there are rank-and-file Dems out there that would like to see this.

This country is plum full of Democrat voters who are sexist, racists and full blown bigots, I have many in my own family, who will never, ever vote for a woman or a black man.

People who love Hillary and Barack Hussein, are lunatic leftists, not rank and file Democrats.

The sexist racist bigoted Democrat voters, are the rank and file Democrats.

re: #236 republic

You must live in that strange, far-off land where democrats will, when the chips are down, stand and be counted on the side of freedom. I didn't know it still existed...

Dianna (#247),

Flowers will say it better.

Particularly dead flowers.

Your are so mean. How will Ahmadinejad ever be are friend if we treat him so badly?

FOr some odd reason, I called a meeting st 2:30 when I should be sitting home in the pool, nursing an adult beverage.

See ya...

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

#205 Bob's Kid

I've
seen a couple of cars running around with Hillary/Obama '08 bumper
stickers, so there are rank-and-file Dems out there that would like to
see this.

I saw an Obama '08 bumper sticker yesterday. I was plastered right over a Kerry '04 sticker. Given Obama's recent comments, it may be prophetic..

re: #184 Ojoe

I know - but that was the only thing that came even close to answering the question. And it's an incredibly weak example.

re: #253 NoSubmission

re: #248 My 2 Cents

What Obama brings to the ticket is absolute media immunity from rational criticism.

You hit the nail on the head there.

Rudy can crush either Shrillery or Barack Hussein, and never utter a word that could be even construed as racist or sexist.

These Dems are going to get buried when the GOP can call them on their insanity in the debates.

Waves to Repulic and formercorpsman.

Doing OK, very busy, school, job change, moved from Calif to AZ, started business, taken up Krav Maga...so very busy, not much posting lately.

This Obama is bad in two ways. One he is an idiot like Einstein was a genius, and two, he makes Hilary look like a good option.

re: #246 Lucius Septimius Excellent analysis my friend!
Well, gotta hop, see y'all later I hope!

On Barack Obama's forced sex education on little kids:

Anyone who wants rows of kindergarteners in front of them as they talk about sex is a weirdo.

Experiment: You teach a boy and a girl respect for each other from little on up without any sexual knowledge; then when they are old enough to handle the responsibilities of having a kid, send them on a island vacation and they'll both come back with smug looks on both their faces as if they have discovered something wonderful that nobody ever knew before them.

re: #223 daltec

our military was *still* awarding Purple Hearts that had been manufactured in preparation for the invasion of Japan.

Wow. That's a bracing fact that really puts things in perspective. Simply amazing.

“I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,”

I think it would be a profound mistake for Americans to elect Obama, or any other Dhimmicrat, to the office of the President.

re: #261 republic

re: #252 Ward Cleaver

#205 Bob's Kid

I've seen a couple of cars running around with Hillary/Obama '08 bumper stickers, so there are rank-and-file Dems out there that would like to see this.

This country is plum full of Democrat voters who are sexist, racists and full blown bigots, I have many in my own family, who will never, ever vote for a woman or a black man.

People who love Hillary and Barack Hussein, are lunatic leftists, not rank and file Democrats.

The sexist racist bigoted Democrat voters, are the rank and file Democrats.

Very, very true.

My family as well, and I often find them being the ones who are saying bush should have just nuked the whole middle east after 911.

Emotion over Intellect.