Genius.

Hey Obama... scratch this!

He's right. We won't be able to use nukes cause they'll nuke us first.

So let me get this straight, first we attack Pakistan, then surrender.

That's a good idea.

Hmmm... so it's like not having them at all.

Hussein Obama.

He obviously read "The Secret."

Positive thoughts!

WOuld he support selling our nooks to India in order to quell the Pakistani threat?

BBL, Dawg.

Hopefully he just nuked his shallow lame-ass campaign

He's just bowing to Eskimo pressure. That "No Nukes of the North" is a pretty powerful group.

#7 ben hur - thanks for the laugh....you are so right!

Ya gotta have a table first.

This tells me that no matter what he would not fight for the United States. He must really hate the US.

Jump the Shark Moment - perfect

Awwww. Now they'll drop all their hatred and love us. Everybody! Who's for a rowsing round of Kumbaya?

/citizen of the world mode off

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought? What's next, we'll never use any force whatsoever to defend the hard won freedoms of the West because someone somewhere might be offended?

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

I posted this in the last thread, but I think it fits better here.......

'I think it would be a profound mistake for us to use nuclear weapons in any circumstance,' Obama said, with a pause, 'involving civilians' Then he quickly added, 'Let me scratch that. There's been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That's not on the table'...

I remember watching the Bush / kerry debates and kerry came out with the "The first thing I would do as president is dismantle the US Nuclear Weapons Program" and I was OUT on kerry. I don't care about ANYTHING else he said. It would be a cold day in hell before I would even ENTERTAIN voting for him just after that one comment. Nevermind his other idiocies.

Next up:

Obama proposes the creation of the "Human Shield" program, which will be a "watchdog group" designed to reduce the nukes in America.

Their offices will be built in a perimiter around the Oval Office with a satellite office at Camp David.

Next up.

No guns allowed.

There’s been no discussion of nuclear weapons. That’s not on the table.”

Discussions? Who is he having discussions with. Are the visible?

He thinks "My Assured Destruction" is better than "Mutually Assured Destruction."

Obama can't decide out if he should appear weak, clueless, or dangerous to the public. He manages to fit all descriptions.

umm......move along........nothing to see here!

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

Mr. "Arugula is way too expensive" is not real bright. But be sure that the leftward base of the party is eating this up. Frankly, in the primary this kind of talk hurts Hillary.

Hillary will shred this buffoon when the fur really starts to fly.

"Let me scratch that."

Good idea.

Why don't we just scrap the entire DoD and military while we're at it, and just keep enough Coast Guard helos and boats to rescue boaters in distress and nothing more.

That will prove to the entire world we mean peace, and set a good example.

/Not exactly sarc. I am almost paraphrasing some city level politician in San Francisco who said this a couple of years back.

One thing is for sure, if Musharaf loses power in Pakistan we may have to take action to disable their nuclear missles. The last thing we need is jihadists with nukes. And no you don't need nukes to destroy nukes. Cruise missles can take care of it.

What a lightweight. He makes Nancy Pelosi look like a Rhodes scholar.

my y don't work

The more this guy talks, the more he reveals how naive he is and unqualified to be President. Unfortunately, the more he talks, the more he connects with the simpletons who will actually elect the next President. God, help us.

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought? What's next, we'll never use any force whatsoever to defend the hard won freedoms of the West because someone somewhere might be offended?

The guy is a hack. Or a clown. Maybe just both. Hillary must be ecstatic.

You know, they are arm & arm, like a square dance, Fleetwood Mac in the background.

Jumpin for freakin joy.

I like Obama. He's not quite... the Robopolitician yet. And how boring it would be without those "oops" every now and then.

The Illinois senator warned Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf earlier this week that he would use U.S. military force in Pakistan even without Musharraf's permission if necessary to root out terrorists.

While I support this same idea in principle, does Obama really mean it? I don't think he does. I think he'd pull the U.S. out of both Iraq and Afghanistan. Besides (as others have pointed out), you don't publicly state this kind of policy. We should publicly support Musharraf and state that it will never be U.S. policy to send Americans into Pakistan w/o their permission, then you covertly order Spec. Ops. into the "restive" provinces to whack the bad guys.

What is his stand on unclear weapons?

Good to see he stands for something. No, wait. Scratch that.

May not help Osama, er Obama with the general election, but considering the nutroot base of the Demonratic Party, his only shot at the nomination is to act more LLL than Stalin in a Pantsuit.

re: #20 mglazer

I think our enemies agree with him

Does he work for them?

Who doesn't today ?
that is the question...

/hussein obama is just an idiot...

Nobody in their right mind desires a nuclear confrontation, but this guy hasn't a clue as to harsh realities. Keep opening your yap, Obama. Your inexperience and ignorance will eventually leave you an afterthought. At least I hope so. Ya never know, when it comes to the American electorate. Sigh.

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Is it possible that he is even more clueless than first thought?

I don't believe he is clueless at all. I believe he knows exactly what he is saying and that if he is elected President, he would never defend America no matter what the circumstances may be.

Obama's just a bit older than I am, and I think he's waaaay too young and inexperienced to even be in the Senate, let alone president. If I were a cartoonist, I'd portray him in a Little Lord Fauntleroy suit.

"Speak softly and carry a big stick," but our enemies also have to at least THINK you might really use the big stick.

re: #7 Ben Hur

He obviously read "The Secret."

Positive thoughts!

"The Secret". Right. What a load of crap. I guess the people in the WTC had negative thoughts so 9-11 was all their fault.

He probably has read it. Libs love that New Age stuff.

This is after his "warlike" non-threat against Pakistan yesterday.

Obama is being ground down by Hillary's bulldozer so he is trying to seem presidential by speaking on foreign policy- unfortunately this puts on public display his gross inexperience and unsuitability to be Commander in Chief.

If he understood deterrence, he would say simply that any nuclear or major terror attack against the US or one of our allies will have unimaginable consequences for whoever dares to do it and their allies.

This tells China and Russia and nothing they don't know causes them to lose no sleep but puts the Iranians and our other enemies on notice.

That is deterrence. Obama is an utter tyro. He is wimpier that Warren Christopher (the man who protested against any enemy casualties in discussion about liberating the US embassy in Iran).

"There's been no discusion of using nuclear weapons and that's not a hypothetical that I'm going to discuss."
And that's why we're going to scratch what I just said.
And that's real scratching, not the hypothetical kind.

Don't send your daughter or son to Harvard Law School. And that's not a hypothetical, either.

The real question is not whether this novice will get the Democratic party nomination, but if Hillary will ultimately pick him as her VP running mate, as many pundits have mentioned. Of course, either way, America loses if he or she gets elected.

He basically believes President Truman and all POTUS' since are evil based on the USA's nuclear weapons use and capability. He condemns the history of the USA.

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

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This is the reason I'm so glad Fred Thompson is waiting so long to announce his entry into the race (if he even does) and why the rest of the GOP candidates are being quiet...it means less of a chance to say something stupid!

Keep going, Democrats! Keep opening your mouths and saying what you really think! We need more of that...

re: #52 Dianna

And what does he propose to do when Iran attempts to nuke us? Or, heaven forfend, Israel? Send flowers?

Yes, I think you have it right.

Uh, no nukes, that's the ticket.

Er, scratch that. I'd use nukes against Usama bin Laden. Yeah, nukes against bin Laden, that's okay. And nukes against uh, wait.

I'd use nukes against the Nazis. Usama and Nazis, but that's all. Really.

This is what happens when a guy who was a marginally qualified dogcatcher a few years ago runs for Leader of the Free World.

This is what you get when politicians think what they say is less important than how they say it, and both of these things are less important than what they actually do. I have no idea if Obama really means this. I think it shows he lacks imagination, but has the association nukes=bad in his head.

Ginn, I agree with you that non-pro politicians are essential to our government, but they're probably better placed in Congress than the White House, where pro executive experience is crucial.

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Obama is so finished that the only thing left to do is publish his political obituary. Even my Man, the Reverend Al, well noted for his political views, never screwed up like this pygmy, Barack Hussein Obama. Al says that it's bad enough that Obama is making the race seem stupid, but to set back every gain for the race since Brow VS the Board of Education is beyond the pale.

In the real world, not the one Obama inhabits, just the fact that you have a weapon means that it is on the table.

That is why Iran is building a "bomb".

Besides that, my dad's life was saved by the nukes we used on Japan.
He and all his pilot buddies to a man did not expect to survive the invasion of the home islands.

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And this genius wants to lead the free world? Heaven help us.

Keep talking, Obama... please don't ever shut up.

Obama certainly has been the tin-hat warrior, of late. A regular Nannycrat Clasusewitz, I'd say. Commodore Obama it is!
Loser.

Is he running for POTUS or Mayor of Berkeley?

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Hmm...
President Obama, Secretary of State Jane Fonda, Surgeon General Michael Moore.
Either a bad sitcom or a very frightening possibility.

It's tough for progressives to distinguish between what they want to say and what they should say. I feel for them.

If you take nukes off the table, you effectively geld deterrence. You are saying "You can hit us as hard as you can, but we won't reciprocate." It is a stupid and ultimately suicidal position.

We should have nuked Afghanistan in 2001. If for no other reason than to reinforce the lesson that we can hit them that hard.

It's never too late for a good demonstration.

Obama's got a blindfold on. He's carrying a pathetically small stick and swinging it wildly.

The pinata that he's trying to hit is A CLUE. And he hasn't gotten anywhere near it.

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Oh sure Charles, just kick a candidate when they are down...

/ :)

Can Hillary chew Obama up and still drag him back for the veep spot?

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Kos kids say he was mis-quoted.

I haven't gone to the site to check, but I am sure they are saying he has benn mis-quoted....

Pardon me, but your ideology is showing.

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re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....
Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Oh isn't THAT special?

re: #64 NoSubmission

Keep talking, Obama... please don't ever shut up.

Exactly.

This is the second major foreign policy verbal blunder he's made in the last couple days. First he announces he's going to invade another country, then he promises our enemies we won't use our arsenal, essentially rendering us a non-nuclear nation.

This guy is so far from being capable of leading, he shouldn't even be running.

A complete amateur.

Can we start asking the hard questions?

re: #66 JammieWearingFool

Is he running for POTUS or Mayor of Berkeley?

LOL!

He'd never win, though. Too far to the right. Kucinich is the man 'round these parts!

keep talking barry! this guy really is an empty suit, but an articulate one nonetheless

re: #61 Ojoe

Besides that, my dad's life was saved by the nukes we used on Japan.

My grandfather, too. My 30 seconds of "We Are the World" liberal activism when I was 11 was squelched by a kindly "without Truman authorizing The Bomb you wouldn't BE HERE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT."

Another Dhimmicrat feverishly searching for a flavour of the month popular platform to mollify and pander to whatever percolates votes from the great unwashed to bolster his deminishing support numbers --Political campagn whoring at it's best!

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I'm not well-versed in world history, so I ask the wizened lizards...

Is there any example in world history where the dismantling or removal of a key strategic capability (be it weapon, force or stratgey) has led to direct peace?

This is not a rhetorical question.

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Rudderless Democrats.....
Hillary: We must not act unilaterally in Pakistan — wait, Barack said what? Okay, then we should

Forward motion by flip-flop?

re: #17 Leonidas Hoplite

Hillary must be ecstatic.

So weird. I can't figure whether this will make Hillary more likely to pick him for veep, or less.

I wonder if Obomba consulted the Paki's and was assured they wouldn't use nukes if the US attacked Pakistan.

..Just when I thought Pakistan would be nuked ...NOT..LoL

tank moment

Is there video or audio of this exchange?

For any President to take the nuclear option off the table even before pondering the potential threats facing the nation is gross irresponsibility. Even if you have no interest in doing so, you should never take it off the table in this kind of manner because it broadcasts to all enemies of the US that there are some places that the US would not go, even in the face of an oncoming nuclear assault. Obama has clearly indicated that he is more than willing to forgo the nuclear deterrent that the US nuclear arsenal, first built and conceived by FDR and Truman more than 60 years ago. Once again, Obama's naivete is telling.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Also the name of the General selected by Deborah in the bible.... so?

NoSubmission

The article I needed turned out to be at the Free Muslims Coalition as you suggested. And Killgore Trout linked to the exact article. Thanks to you both.

re: #11 buzzsawmonkey

He's just bowing to Eskimo pressure. That "No Nukes of the North" is a pretty powerful group.

And the classics just keep on coming!

At least he should get a boost in donations from Iran, green light to nuke Israel with no worries of retaliation if he gets elected.

Look, I don't want someone in the White House I "like". I don't want to think he'd be some i could have a beer with. i don't want to think about how well he'll be hailed the word over. I suppose i want a drill instructor as President. A hard as nails guy you are generally scared shitless of, who you know deep down has you best interests at heart and that you would want next to you in a foxhole.

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Really?

I can't understand why anyone takes this guy seriously. I mean, I always knew he was a lightweight, but come on. This is just proving how unserious the Dems are.

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re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Frack Barack?

Not nice...sorry.

re: #71 Edouard

Obama's got a blindfold on. He's carrying a pathetically small stick and swinging it wildly.

The pinata that he's trying to hit is A CLUE. And he hasn't gotten anywhere near it.

LOL! Perfect!

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Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

wonder if he's named after the horse's head or the horse's ass?

Obama is not going to win the primary. He has no chance as of now.

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

At this rate, tomorrow he'll announce plans to invade Canada.

This clown may be doing standup on BET before long.

Has he been talking public speaking lessons from John Kerry? I've read it about five times and still I'm confused..

re: #59 Leonidas Hoplite

re: #26 Lucius Septimius

Actually, I think you're right about the hard left eating comments like that right up, and you're probably right that it does hurt Hillary too some degree in the primaries. But, the hard, or perhaps the moderate?, left presumably had a dose of bitter medicine after the Lamont fiasco. Is it possible a lesson was learned?

No, they haven't learned. And Obama poses a serious threat to Hillary since he already can count on 15-20% of the core Democrat vote (blacks). If he can draw the moonbats and the anti-Hillary liberals, he's got a strong chance to create real trouble for her.

The LLL plan for the US:
Destroy our nuclear capability;
Open the borders:
Dismantle the military;
Socialize everything (in the name of the children, whatever);
Raise taxes;
Coddle criminals;
Destroy the concept, ideals and the history of the US; and then
Declare the Millennium.

When they get through with us, we'll be looking at the people of Zimbabwe with envy.

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An extremely well-placed national security adviser for a certain Western-friendly arab nation that I dated once said that Obama was a rising star--bigger than Hillary, whom he is also good friends with. He also said he had met Dinnerjacket and said that 'he wasn't such a bad guy, he's just pandering to his voter base.'

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Is he becoming more stupid as time goes on?

Nukes are there for Americas' defence. You have the psychological advantage in that you have actually used nukes - against the Japanese. That shows that if it became necessary for your ultimate defence or to eliminate an enemy who has nuked you . you have already proved that you will. This might put all but the most lunatic terrorists off using nukes against you (hopefully) if you threaten to take out their home countries/sponsors or even more.
A short time ago Putin threatened to nuke Europe over the defence missiles that the USA wanted to put in Poland. The Brits' attitude was 'whatever' as we've always assumed that they were targetted on us anyway. Now he's trying to lay claim to the Arctic. The Ruskies are getting restless and if they think there will be a weakling in the White House it will only get worse. Lets not bother going near Iran and N Korea.
Dim-wit doesn't seem to understand that there are plenty of people out there who will very happily kill your civilians - and he cavilling at killing a few of theirs! Hellooooo - if it's nuke time you're galloping towards armagedon. Someone wave a reality sensor over that man.

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#112 insanity police

God willing Hillary will get trounced by Rudy.

It's going to be a squeeker: Giuliani 46% Clinton 45%

OT, this was interesting and frightening:
Four young Americans take a journey into Islam

As any evolved Progressive knows, dialogue is always more effective than weapons.

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re: #16 beblebrox

Awwww. Now they'll drop all their hatred and love us. Everybody! Who's for a rowsing round of Kumbaya?

Don't sully my name with any reference to this empty suit.

So he'd attack Pakistan, get our troops nuked, and not nuke back?

/Tough! Smart!

So was his first statement a mis-quote or the "scratch that" portion? He doesn't know how far to pander to the left without running into problems like this.

Hillary will show Obama the "proper" way to pander.

/spit/choke/ughhh

Obama further demonstrating his disqualifications to be President.

/amateur, neophyte, pencil neck...

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Obama has a better weapon - The Nuance Bomb.

re: #101 MandyManners

re: #72 Kerfuffle

Oh by the way, some trivia....

Barack was the name of the winged horse that took Mohammed on his 'Night Flight'

Really?

From the Wiki...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

and a note to future candidates: just because The Oprah thinks your cool, does not mean you can go from the state senate to the white house, with a short stop in the US senate.