Gaddafi strikes again.

The mafia used to call it a shakedown.

If this were on an episode of 24, it would be called unrealistic.

Wow a shakedown that even Jesse Jackson couldn't top.

By sheer coincidence, shortly after Libya freed the Bulgarian nurses, Bulgaria is going to waive $57 million of Libyan debt.

Ahunh. Yes, it is a "sheer" coincidence. What other kinds of coincidences are there?

Just curious.

Why go to all the expense of building nukes for extortion, when you can just kidnap people for ransom?

When are these fool European countries going to learn that this only enables these insane monsters?

OT but, I wanted to bring this to everyones attention. Not something likely to get noticed by the media...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"Egyptians kill four Sudanese trying to cross border [into Israel]"

But Egyptian troops also discovered the refugees. They fired upon them, immediately killing two and wounding a third. A fourth refugee ran towards the fence and an IDF soldier stretched out his hands, trying to help him cross the fence.

At that point, the soldier recalled, two Egyptian soldiers arrived and started pulling at the refugee's legs.

"It was literally like we were playing 'tug of war' with this man," the soldier said. He eventually loosened his grip on the man, fearing the Egyptians would shoot him.

"They were aiming loaded weapons straight at us, I was afraid they were going to shoot us," he said.

The Egyptians then carried the man several meters away from the border fence, and proceeded to beat him and another wounded refugee to death with stones and clubs.

8 years in a Libyan prison. Think of it.

$57 million of Libyan debt.

No oil in Libya?

This whole thing was a set up from the beginning.

Complete coincidence.

Nothing to see here folks, move on.....

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

What did Bulgaria sell Lybia?

re: #6 zmdavid

Why go to all the expense of building nukes for extortion, when you can just kidnap people for ransom?

Well, this "money" extortion. The nukes.. that's a whole different kind of extortion.

Hey - he needs that money.

He is paying for a new spelling of his name and new uniforms for his female body guards.

re: #13 zombie

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

Are woman worth that anymore?

re: #13 zombie

Trojans burst under pressure.

/Old Pac-10 taunt.

re: #17 Ginn

Only you Ginn!

The funny part is someone actually owes Bulgaria money.

I don't understand this: how the hell did Libya become indebted for $57 million bucks to BULGARIA in the first place?!

I think in the official definition of ransom payment, it says ransoms must be paid in response to a note made completely from newspaper and magazine clippings.

re: #8 Extra Z's

"Egyptians kill four Sudanese trying to cross border [into Israel]"

The IDF should release the tapes.

Terp Mole posted it:

Medic Recalls Eight Years in Libyan Jail

...Sometimes we were tortured in the same room. I saw them half-naked and they saw me completely naked when I was being given the electroshocks. We heard each other whimpering, crying and screeching. Kristiana was hung up on a window while they put me on an iron pallet and applied the electroshocks. I am ashamed to talk about all the things they did to the women. They were raped. Kristiana was forced to put a bottle in her vagina. At one point Nasya, who couldn't stand it anymore, broke off a piece of window glass and slit her wrist. They took her to the hospital, under a false name, and then they brought her back to our torture chamber...

wouldnt it be easy to take a sample of what they were giving the libyan people and do a quick test to show there was no HIV anything in there.....who purposely infects children with HIV....this whole thing bothers me....8 years in a libyan prison for trying to help people......no good deed goes unpunished

Instead the money will be diverted to an international fund for the victims and their families, officials said.

They've misused the word "victims" here. I think the real victims in all this were the Bulgarian nurses and the Palistinian Dr. What did they get as compensation? This is an outrage that Europe is caving to Khaddafi's extortion racket! To Hell with Libya!

Let us hope the nurses have the courage to tell the world of their treatment.

re: #21 realwest

In the first successful direct mail marketing campaign in modern history
BulgarianExpress Platinum Credit Cards were sent to every member of Libyan civil service, with no credit limit and 28.5% annual interest rate things soon got out of hand.

And while I'm taking a short break to be on LGF, while in the hell is Khaddifi, or howerver he's spelling his name these days, still only a colonel?! You'd think being able to hustle $57
million bucks out of Bulgaria ought to be at least a one star general, no?

#21 realwest

I don't understand this: how the hell did Libya become indebted for $57 million bucks to BULGARIA in the first place?!

Medical services perhaps?

re: #18 karmic_inquisitor

/Old Pac-10 taunt.

Carfeful

re: #24 zombie
Holy shit.

re: #31 bulwrk

careful

re: #24 zombie

Someone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombie

Someone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Unfortunately Bulgaria ain't up to the task.

re: #21 realwest

That tells you just how pathetic Libya is.

re: #19 scottthecanuck

re: #17 Ginn

Only you Ginn!

:blush:

More lovely behavior on the part of the Libyan captors:

Months of torture

I was locked into a room with three dogs during the first few days. They ordered the animals to attack me. My leg is covered with scars from their bites. I had a large hole in my knee. I was served my meals in the bowl they used for the dogs. The five Bulgarian nurses were also being kept in this torture building. Every day our tormentors told us: "We will make you suffer until you confess." The torture periods were carried out between 5 p.m. and 5 a.m.. This went on for months.

One of the things they did was to wrap bare wire around my penis. Then they would drag me around a room that was at least 40 by 40 meters. I screamed and cried.

One of the most excruciating things was their electric torture machine -- a manually operated box that works like a generator. They would attach the negative cable to a finger and the positive cable to one of my ears or my genitals. The most painful part of it wasn't the current but the fact that they could change the rate at which it was applied. When I became unconscious they would pour cold water on my naked body and continue the procedure.

During the torture with electrical shocks, they would show me the passports of the five Bulgarian nurses and say: These are Kristiana, Nasya, Valentina, Valya and Snezhana. The nurses suffered the same fate as I did.
...

But the worst thing was that they threatened to torture my family and rape my sisters in front of my eyes. After God, my family is the most sacred thing I have, and I am the only brother of four sisters. At one point they brought in a girl, and all I could hear was her voice, screaming: "I am your sister. I am being raped."

I gave up. Tell me what you want me to do, I said, I will sign anything -- even that I confess to being responsible for the Lockerbie plane bombing.
...
The guards brought the other prisoners Libyan newspapers, which accused us of being child murderers. The Arab papers also spread these lies, picking up their stories from Libyan sources. Instead of defending me, the Palestinian envoy claimed that I had confessed to him that I was a Mossad agent and had deliberately infected the children. Many of the prisoners believed this. We Arabs are hypocrites. We know the truth and yet we believe the lies.

re: #34 MandyManners

Maybe after Iran.

How in the world can debt be diverted to a fund? Is this a promise from Libya to pay into the fund?

Anyway, this is the reward Bulgaria gets for loaning money to Libya. Lesson: Don't help them, ever.

re: #24 zombie

Important to note that they never had underwear placed on their heads or forced to hear Harry Potter.

Heck, I will:

Libya held innocent Christians (who were SERVING the Libyan people with healthcare, by the way) hostage, under threat of a gruesome execution (hanging), for crimes they did not commit. Bulgaria caved and paid the RANSOM, the fools.

I'm glad the nuns are freed, but I bet Bulgaria could have found SOMEONE to help with a more Reaganesque response...

Jihadist stick with what works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I have no doubts the S Koreans are doing the same ransom bargaining with the Taliban right now. It is a sad state of affairs that the Muslim world can continue to poke it's finger in the eye of the rest of the world with absolute impunity.
Can anybody ever recall an instance of when a group of people were held hostage, whether by bank robbers or terrorists and it didn't receive wall to wall coverage? Yet here this case with the S Koreans has gone on for 2 weeks and barely a mention.
Wonder if I can get that kind of deal if I start kidnapping people?

I question the timing.

re: #38 zombie
You must have this confused with Abu Grab a**
/

re: #42 wvobiwan

Heck, I will:
Libya held innocent Christians (who were SERVING the Libyan people with healthcare, by the way) hostage, under threat of a gruesome execution (hanging), for crimes they did not commit. Bulgaria caved and paid the RANSOM, the fools.

I'm glad the nuns are freed, but I bet Bulgaria could have found SOMEONE to help with a more Reaganesque response...

I like that.. a "Reaganesque" response.

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

re: #45 Just_A_Grunt

re: #38 zombie
You must have this confused with Abu Grab a**
/

If it weren't for the **, that would make a good nick.

I blame Ronald Reagan. He didn't finish the job...[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

re: #38 zombie

Sorry it has to be said,at least they didn't put panties on his head.

It's a credit.

/ransom by omission

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

re: #35 RTLM

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombie

Someone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Unfortunately Bulgaria ain't up to the task.

Maybe we should.

re: #39 insanity police

Nope. Now.

re: #38 zombie

But Abu Ghraib was much worse. Pink undies.

Le Monde: Bulgarian nurses "had to vow not to make torture claims"

The five Bulgarian nurses and one Palestinian doctor released from Libyan custody last week had to sign a document in front of European diplomats that renounced all future legal claims of torture, France's Le Monde reported online Thursday.

The pledge not to pursue the Libyan authorities for torture during the eight years the six medics served for allegedly infecting children with HIV was contained in a letter drawn up during negotiations to have the prisoners released.

re: #51 zombie

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Senile Dementia?

re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

re: #51 zombie

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

re: #57 scottthecanuck

re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

Obama would've bombed em. Just not with nukes!

/

re: #52 MandyManners

re: #35 RTLM

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombieSomeone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Unfortunately Bulgaria ain't up to the task.

Maybe we should.

Has anyone noted that both Somalia and Libya -- two of the worst hell-holes on that continent and biggest pains in our side -- were both Italian colonies? Learned fascism from the source, they did.

re: #24 zombie

interesting.

I hope all starry-eyed idealists hoping to "give back" via the Peace Corps, Doctors Without Borders, etc, in a predominantly moslem country see this story-and think better of it.

Let countries in which the majority of the citizenry belong to a "religion" that teaches them that that have the right to kill, mutilate, or enslave nonbelievers stew in their own juices.

No nonmoslem should enter these countries for any reason, if it can possibly be avoided-not for tourism, not for business, not for charitable work (which those who receive the aid almost certainly regard as jizya anyway).

No monetary aid. No humanitarian aid. Nada, zip, zilch.

The leaders of such countries WILL do this again, so prospective hostages need to stay far away.

More ransom as France is shipping military equipment to Libya.

re: #58 Ginn

Yes.......but currently all are paper prototypes.

Can we make $57 mill worth of ordnance?

re: #53 MandyManners

re: #39 insanity police

Nope. Now.

Ok. The lady always gets her way. But someone please bomb Iran ASAP.

re: #62 Pajama Person

I hope all starry-eyed idealists hoping to "give back" via the Peace Corps, Doctors Without Borders, etc, in a predominantly moslem country see this story-and think better of it.

Heh. The only way to "give back" is through the USMC.

re: #58 Ginn

Yes, though I wonder how many of these are being stripped for parts.

re: #55 Killgore Trout

Le Monde: Bulgarian nurses "had to vow not to make torture claims"

The five Bulgarian nurses and one Palestinian doctor released from Libyan custody last week had to sign a document in front of European diplomats that renounced all future legal claims of torture, France's Le Monde reported online Thursday.

The pledge not to pursue the Libyan authorities for torture during the eight years the six medics served for allegedly infecting children with HIV was contained in a letter drawn up during negotiations to have the prisoners released.

Would that even hold up in court? Presumably they would have been tortured further if they had not been released.

If Obama went after Libya:

A thousand paper cuts from harshly worded letters and then spitballs made from Resolutions.

The Horror!

re: #57 scottthecanuck

re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

I wouldn't ask that bonehead for the time of day.

What a shame. I wouldn't lift a finger to help any of those people in Libya. No good deed goes unpunished...I can't remember off hand who made that statement but in this case it fits.

Israelis send food to Gaza....
Yahoo pic

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007. A group of young Israeli left-wing activists developed a home-made launcher made from recycled materials, to protest the Israeli government's helplessness in dealing with rocket attacks from Gaza.

More pics of this humanitarian effort here and here and here.

Incoming!

re: #60 Lucius Septimius

Good point!

re: #68 Lucius Septimius

re: #58 Ginn

Yes, though I wonder how many of these are being stripped for parts.

I don't think I want to fly Bulgarian.

re: #58 Ginn

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Bulgarian Air Force

re: #71 MandyManners

re: #57 scottthecanuck

re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

I wouldn't ask that bonehead for the time of day.

OsamaObama would tell you time a racist invention of white people, designed to keep blacks down. The only card up Obama's sleeve is the race card.

re: #69 MandyManners

In a european court it will hold up because the nurses would be trying to make a post-colonial nation state and arms client look bad.

re: #63 tuchja

Isn't that condoning torture and rape?

re: #78 scottthecanuck

re: #69 MandyManners

In a european court it will hold up because the nurses would be trying to make a post-colonial nation state and arms client look bad.

Which is one of the few capital offenses in the EU nowadays.

And what liberal/progressive groups are/have been expressing "outrage" about the torture of these COMPLETELY INNOCENT women and men?

.........................................

The silence of liberals in these instances in contrast to the hysteria they generate over HYPOTHETICAL torture of MASS MURDERERS is telling isn't it?

They don't care about people. They care about their cause and will simply flog any emotional issue WHEN it suits their needs not when it conflicts with their vaunted, superior, "morality"

Sounds like ransome to me.

re: #79 MandyManners

Yes....since Europens leave their greatest hatred for themselves and their own culture they believe they are fully deserving of such treatment.

Later, lizards. I'm fuming. Steam's coming out of my ears.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Israelis send food to Gaza....
Yahoo pic

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007. A group of young Israeli left-wing activists developed a home-made launcher made from recycled materials, to protest the Israeli government's helplessness in dealing with rocket attacks from Gaza.

More pics of this humanitarian effort here and here and here.

Incoming!

Holy crap that's funny! Hezbollah, Hamas, and Fatah send rockets, idiotic Israeli's send smashed, dirty food back. Put a damn grenade in that thing moron!

re: #76 bulwrk

re: #58 Ginn

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Bulgarian Air Force

From your link:

As a result of the Conventional Forces Europe (CFE) treaty the Bulgarian Air Force was obligated to scrap or dispose off 152 fighter planes. This was completed in November 1995 when the scrapping of a large number of MiG-17's was completed at Bezmer and MiG-21's of various types at Graf Ignatievo. In addition also some MiG-23MF's and BN's were involved. Other aircraft were disposed of for preservation and instruction purposes. An offer by Russia for the purchase of 14 MiG-29SM, 10-12 Su-25TK and a batch of 12 second hand Mi-24D's was rejected in the mid 90's.

In 1997 it was announced that another four bases were to be closed being 2IAB Gabrovnitza, 6IAB Baltchik, 11UAB Shtraklevo and 21 IBAB Uzundzhovo. All operations had ceased by the end of 1998 and the bases were downgraded to reserve status.

I'd have to say no, they don't have an Air Force.

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombie

Someone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Maybe Someone will.
Libya = Put (Ezekiel 37-38)

Unfortunately the Western world is still rolling around in the dirt with these throwbacks to the stone age.

re: #58 Ginn

re: #51 zombie

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Instead the money will be diverted to an international fund for the victims and their families, officials said.

I'm taking it they dont mean to give the money to the medics who suffered under the Libyan's crap for so many years.

I wonder if we can start selling Gitmo detainees on ebay®?
It would be interesting to see who would bid on them.

re: #88 NoSubmission

Its all in the nuance m'boy.

tsk tsk. Don't you know that torture is culturally appropriate in the Umma?
This criticism is just due to Islamaphobia in the extreme.
But panties on the head of prisoner done by a US guard. Shocking!
I know, a lot of us did that in college but this is different. They do not like kafir panties.
Clearly we need to go through forced sensitivity training.
For the RoP it is permissable to perform beheadings, stonings, honor killings, fornicating with female camels (as long as they do not drink the milk), wife beating and the ever popular car swarm.
That does noyt give any of us a right to criticise.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007.

This looks like something out of a zombie report. These idiots. Thank god they're not topless.

re: #62 Pajama Person

Interesting theory BUT, many of the starry eyed people in the peace corps et al truly believe that "once they get to know me, they'll know I'm not like the rest of the westerners they hear about"

Also, an old navy friend of mine spent two years in the peace corps after his 20 year naval career. He didnt take much for granted though. he knew going in that he wasnt going to change many minds about the US or westerners.

OT

This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

re: #69 MandyManners

The WORLD COURT will not convict a Muslim nation of torture as it is a religious rite.

re: #96 turn

OT

This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

What took them so long?

re: #38 zombie

This is horrible beyond words. And now those torturers are being rewarded. It's disgusting.

re: #38 zombie,

But, but, but...Abu Ghraib! Panties on the head!

Torture! It is America that is evil.

[/Moonbat]

re: #95 Eowyn2

re: #62 Pajama Person

Interesting theory BUT, many of the starry eyed people in the peace corps et al truly believe that "once they get to know me, they'll know I'm not like the rest of the westerners they hear about"

Also, an old navy friend of mine spent two years in the peace corps after his 20 year naval career. He didnt take much for granted though. he knew going in that he wasnt going to change many minds about the US or westerners.

I honestly don't think the US HAS to change all that many foreign opinions about US citizens. Leftist world media, NGOs, and politicians get their jollies trashing Americans, but I really believe the average normal foreigner likes us just fine, better than most.

re: #94 justnobody

Eggs and tomatoes? yeah, thats pretty cool. splat splat. have a carrot. you'll put someone's eye out.

And the whole time he could be doing a nude protest among the cacti.

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #58 Ginn

re: #51 zombie

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

We could loan the 509^th to the Bulgarians for a day.

I wouldn't put it past the Bulgarians to plan something special for Libya. Call it a thank-you gift for the "hospitality" their citizens received there.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

They were firing eggs? Hard-boiled, I assume. Otherwise, it'd be like the battle scene in Hook.

re: #38 zombie

Dems do not think this is torture. We must go after real forms of torture, panties on the head.

re: #98 Just_A_Grunt

Maybe they needed enough time to convince themselves terrorism wasn't a possibility ...

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Sorry for the OT. I just listened to the Dennis Prager interview with Charles Johnson. It was excellent.

re: #104 rappmandu

I wouldn't put it past the Bulgarians to plan something special for Libya. Call it a thank-you gift for the "hospitality" their citizens received there.

One can only hope. It might be that since the Bulgarians 'forgave' Libya's 57 million debt, they never really expected to see that money anyway. So maybe in fact they got something for nothing?

But yes, the Bulgarians are not strangers to violence and retribution.

re: #108 Ginn

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

re: #111 wvobiwan

re: #108 Ginn

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

re: #96 turn

OT

This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

Guess they never heard of the deficit.

re: #85 wvobiwan

That is funny. These are left wing activists mad at ISRAEL for not figuring out a way to stop pali rockets (please remember that it MUST be done with the entire Israeli's military hogtied - completely by diplomatic skills.)

Somebody really needs to introduce a playground bully into their midst and watch how they deal with him/her.

re: #111 wvobiwan

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Those decals care be really tough to apply! I've been repainting a Jaguar in Ecuador Air Force markings for over a week now!

re: #111 wvobiwan

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

This is not the way to solve this "problem." We have to see that there are two sides to this "issue." This is why diplomacy and paying extortion are important tools in the long term plan of surrendering to those who wish to rule us.

/

re: #113 Lucius Septimius

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

Ha!

re: #113 Lucius Septimius

re: #111 wvobiwan

re: #108 Ginn

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

I can just see it - rather than spend billions on modern fighter and bomber aircraft, the Bulgarian Air Force spends 5 grand on those magnetic "Bulgarian Flag/Air Force" truck signs.

Libyan General: "That Bulgarian stealth fighter looks suspiciously like the American F-22!"

Watch out, Mohammar, someone might spike the Soul Glo you use for your afro.

re: #96 turn

OT

This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

They started that garbage last night, just a couple hours after the fact. The thread was quite disgusting to read.

Damn!
Now I have to start all over.
I stenciled in "Vulgarian" Air Force instead of Bulgarian.

#13 Zombie

I don't think Bulgaria has what you might call a "formidable" military.

It probably couldn't handle the job.

Then again, for $57 million, it probably could have rented someone who could, or at least made a pretty good showing.

You'd think Vladimir Putin might want to do something nice on behalf of his former Soviet satellite.

Putin could have bombed Libya on behalf of Bulgaria, if he weren't courting the jihadists.

Instead, to show Russia still has muscles, Russia threatens to cut off Belarus' gas supply.

Putin's a worthless gasbag when it comes to wanting to be a major player on the world stage. He's still on the bad side.

Who is really footing the bill, here?

Condoleezza Rice hails Bulgarian medics release

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice hailed the release of the five Bulgarian nurses and the Palestinian doctor holding Bulgarian citizenship. The United States has repeatedly urged Libya to find a way to allow the medics’ return home, Rice recalled. She termed the release of the six health workers an important step in the process of reunion of the North African country with the international community. We hail this solution, Rice has told Bulgarian Foreign Minister Ivailo Kalfin shortly after the medics arrived to Sofia. In the meantime she has also said that the United States is still worried about the Libyan children infected with HIV, and will continue to provide assistance for their treatment.
[Link: www.bnr.bg...]

Heh, those threads and shades aren't cheap!

re: #124 alegrias

Putin is tracking to be their next commie dictator.

re: #119 wvobiwan

re: #113 Lucius Septimius

re: #111 wvobiwan

re: #108 Ginn

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

I can just see it - rather than spend billions on modern fighter and bomber aircraft, the Bulgarian Air Force spends 5 grand on those magnetic "Bulgarian Flag/Air Force" truck signs.

Libyan General: "That Bulgarian stealth fighter looks suspiciously like the American F-22!"

Quick converison Kit.
Print on Large adhesive label.
Affix to aircraft.

re: #29 realwest

And while I'm taking a short break to be on LGF, while in the hell is Khaddifi, or howerver he's spelling his name these days, still only a colonel?!

IIRC, the old joke was that he had everybody above the rank of colonel shot after he took power. But, there is something romantic about colonels. Hell, Harlen Sanders kept that rank even after he'd made millions sellin' fried chicken! ;)

I can just see it - rather than spend billions on modern fighter and bomber aircraft, the Bulgarian Air Force spends 5 grand on those magnetic "Bulgarian Flag/Air Force" truck signs.

Libyan General: "That Bulgarian stealth fighter looks suspiciously like the American F-22!"

Nah

Libyan General: "What the hell was that?"
Libyan Corporal: "A thunder storm? no, something just streaked across the......"

re: #123 looking closely

#13 Zombie

I don't think Bulgaria has what you might call a "formidable" military.

It probably couldn't handle the job.

Then again, for $57 million, it probably could have rented someone who could, or at least made a pretty good showing

.

What about Big Al's Military Rental Equipment?

re: #123 looking closely

#13 Zombie

I don't think Bulgaria has what you might call a "formidable" military.

It probably couldn't handle the job.

Then again, for $57 million, it probably could have rented someone who could, or at least made a pretty good showing.

Heck, I would have done it for 57m! Even if I had to deliver the LGB via my Sportrac, (give me a LONG fuse please?)!

re: #123 looking closely

#13 Zombie

I don't think Bulgaria has what you might call a "formidable" military.

It probably couldn't handle the job.

Then again, for $57 million, it probably could have rented someone who could, or at least made a pretty good showing.

IIRC, they had some pretty good assasins back in the Soviet Bloc days. Mebbe some of those guys could be brought out of retirement for one more fling?
/Yes, leftards, I am advocating that. If Charles would like to delete my comment for obvious reasons, please do so.

And those private concerts/testimonials by Lionel Ritchie, "Cha-ching!"

re: #124 alegrias

Soul Brother Putin is too busy making Russia the most sinister gas&electric company in the world for that.

re: #122 Ginn

I stenciled in "Vulgarian" Air Force instead of Bulgarian.

The "Vulgarian" Air Force - while we sleep, they're out there defending our right to have naughty dreams.

******Mini Tropical Update ******

Curacoa weather radar shows apparent cyclonic turning in Tropical Disturbance 99L, but WC-130J mission, while finding storm force winds, can't close off a circulation (ie, no West winds at the surface South of the lowest pressure), partly because system is moving to the West at 20 knots.

My Dad has been at least mildy buzzed in Curacoa, but I was only 10 or 11 years old, so I have not been drunk in the Netherland Antilles. He kept asking the hotel band to play "Daniel", the Elton John song. Come to think of it, Elton John must be old, that was over 30 years ago now.

Lovingly hand-crafted satellite loop of Tropical Disturbance 99L.

Even if it does develop, probably crosses Central America, main US threat (and a remote one)- Hawaii.

Meanwhile, Southern Japan already working on second Cat 2 Typhoon landfall of the season. Some people have all the excitement.

Meanwhile, any sub-tropical or tropical development South of Alabama will be slow. Satellite loop.

Aircraft recon cancelled today. But another is scheduled for tomorrow. Potential for big wind is low, but already big dent in Florida drought.

it's not that far from Bulgaria to Libya.

And the Bulgarian Air Force has some planes that could make it that far.

Spread rumors among Qaddafi's female bodyguards that he's decide to go "straight."

Problem eliminated.

re: #129 mickthemick

Hell, Harlen Sanders kept that rank even after he'd made millions sellin' fried chicken!

He was already outranked by General Tso...

Imagine what a crapcan the Libyan economy must be, if they have to go $57 million in the hole to Bulgaria.

Libel Suit Leads to Destruction of Books

Cambridge University Press has agreed to destroy all unsold copies of a 2006 book by two American authors, "Alms for Jihad," following a libel action brought against it in England, the latest development in what critics say is an effort by Saudis to quash discussion of their alleged role in aiding terrorism.

In a letter of apology to a wealthy Saudi businessman, Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz, Cambridge University Press acknowledged that allegations made in the book about his family, businesses, and charities were "entirely and manifestly false." The publisher wrote, "Please accept our sincere apologies for the distress and embarrassment this has caused."

The press also published a separate apology on its web site ([Link: www.cambridge.org...] and wrote that it would pay substantial damages and contribute to legal costs. A press release by Sheikh Mahfouz's London-based law firm, Kendall Freeman, said Cambridge University Press was also writing to over 200 libraries around the world asking them to withdraw the book from shelves. The total press run was about 1,500 copies.

/our friends the Saudis

re: #137 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I've always wanted a go on the "hurrican hunters" mission.

re: #135 justadot

re: #124 alegrias

Soul Brother Putin is too busy making Russia the most sinister gas&electric company in the world for that.

* * *
You'd think if Putin were serious about resurrecting Soviet Russia's glory days, he'd do bold things to endear him to his former satellites such as Bulgaria. Why not weigh in on behalf of your former allies against Qaddafi and other jihadists? Why not earn back the respect of your former colonies?

Putin has missed a big opportunity to make Russia a respected player on the side of the good guys. Putin has military leverage he could use to Russia's advantage, and the free world including former Soviet satellites would be grateful if Putin stood up on their behalf against the moslem hordes.

re: #129 mickthemick

I think "Colonel" Sanders was just an honorary thingy.

re: #13 zombie

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

Bulgaria? Bomb Tripoli day and night? With what? Goat cheese?

I'm sorry. I wish Bulgaria could have done it a different way. That said, though, we need to be aware that Bulgaria did everything it could to get its people back, with an absolute minimum of help from anybody.

Sean Penn Praised by Venezuela's Chavez

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has praised Sean Penn for his critical stance against the war in Iraq, saying the two chatted by phone and soon plan to meet in person.
Chavez said Penn traveled to Venezuela this week wanting to learn more about the situation in the country and walked around some of Caracas' poor barrios on his own.

"Welcome to Venezuela, Mr. Penn. What drives him is consciousness, the search for new paths," Chavez said Wednesday in a televised speech. "He's one of the greatest opponents of the Iraq invasion."

Chavez read aloud from a recent open letter by Penn to President Bush in which the actor condemned the Iraq war and called for Bush to be impeached, saying the president along with Vice President Dick Cheney and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice are "villainously and criminally obscene people."

The socialist president, who shares those views, said he and Penn talked by phone—"with my bad English but we understood each other more or less."

Chavez said the two plan to meet Thursday. He called the actor "well- informed about what is happening in the United States and the world, in spite of being in Hollywood."

What's more, Chavez said, "he's made great films." The Venezuelan leader said he recently watched Penn's Oscar-winning performance in the film "Mystic River."

For his part, Penn on Wednesday toured Venezuela's new film studios on the outskirts of Caracas. Penn, whose visit was unannounced, did not speak publicly.

/Hotel managers continue to note the missing sink and tub stoppers in his rooms.

re: #145 Cobra

re: #129 mickthemick

I think "Colonel" Sanders was just an honorary thingy.

You, Suhr, are no gentleman!

Run, Vick, Run!

re: #137 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

What's happening with Erick?

re: #145 Cobra

re: #129 mickthemick

I think "Colonel" Sanders was just an honorary thingy.

I know, Cobra! That post was a joke! But thanks for keeping me honest!

re: #24 zombie

Isn't this exactly why we have Delta, SEAL 6/DevGru, GSG-9, SAS, Sayeret Matkal and the like? Isn't this why we have JDAM and SDB? Isn't this what the F-22 and Osprey were developed for... blasting the living hell out of an area's defenses and taking back, at the tip of an expert CQB assault, our innocent hostages from inhuman conditions of torture and rape? Raid on Entebbe Airport, anyone?

When in the hell will Western leaders do their jobs of providing for the safety and human rights of those who elected them to office, instead of pandering to the world's murdering thuggish dictators? So what if another 40 billion Middle-East Muslims hate us as a result... the vast majority are already so far behind in terms of cultural development that this 1400-year-old clash of ideologies and civilizations is nearly a temporal paradox.

I strive to think that we have the resolve to defend our culture... and I'm saddened at the concept that it may take many more deaths and moments of oppression of Western culture (never mind Hindu and Asian culture) before we finally find the intestinal fortitude to treat people like this as enemies. The way things are going, things will get much worse, and many in the West and East will die who didn't have to, before this barbaric mentality is eliminated. I'm for seeing it done now, and not leaving it to later generations to fix.

re: #148 cbinflux

re: #145 Cobra

re: #129 mickthemick

I think "Colonel" Sanders was just an honorary thingy.

You, Suhr, are no gentleman!

Ha! Like I aint heard that one before.

re: #147 cbinflux

Chavez said the two plan to meet Thursday. He called the actor "well- informed about what is happening in the United States and the world, in spite of being in Hollywood."

/How refreshing! A Hollywood actor with Liberal/Progressive/Socialist views. Rare indeed!

re: #136 mickthemick

re: #122 Ginn

I stenciled in "Vulgarian" Air Force instead of Bulgarian.

The "Vulgarian" Air Force - while we sleep, they're out there defending our right to have naughty dreams.

/lol!

re: #140 christheprofessor

re: #129 mickthemick

Hell, Harlen Sanders kept that rank even after he'd made millions sellin' fried chicken!

He was already outranked by General Tso...

LOL! But the general didn't have any side dishes!

Yeah, it was just a sheer coincidence.

re: #147 cbinflux

Evidently Juan Carlos II has missed a few of Penn's films.

bong hits for sean.

re: #151 mickthemick

In hindsight, I realised that.
Sitting down.
Shutting up.
Carry on.

re: #146 Dianna

re: #13 zombie

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

Bulgaria? Bomb Tripoli day and night? With what? Goat cheese?

I'm sorry. I wish Bulgaria could have done it a different way. That said, though, we need to be aware that Bulgaria did everything it could to get its people back, with an absolute minimum of help from anybody.

In response to Libyan terrorism/terrorist support, the US bombs Libya, stifles their economy, and isolates them diplomatically. Libya eventually turns over their nuclear program, agrees to reparations.

In response to Libyan terrorism, Bulgaria pays the ransom. Payment must NEVER be an answer, ask the Israelis.

re: #153 Cobra

Wristicuffs at dawn, you Scoundrel!

re: #138 zombie

it's not that far from Bulgaria to Libya.

And the Bulgarian Air Force has some planes that could make it that far.

They have the planes. But obviously, not the fortitude.

re: #144 alegrias

Ain't ever going to happen under Putin...

/He's too busy selling arms to Syria, Iran, ect, ect...

re: #142 Killian Bundy

Libel Suit Leads to Destruction of Books

Cambridge University Press has agreed to destroy all unsold copies of a 2006 book by two American authors, "Alms for Jihad," following a libel action brought against it in England, the latest development in what critics say is an effort by Saudis to quash discussion of their alleged role in aiding terrorism.

In a letter of apology to a wealthy Saudi businessman, Sheikh Khalid Bin Mahfouz, Cambridge University Press acknowledged that allegations made in the book about his family, businesses, and charities were "entirely and manifestly false." The publisher wrote, "Please accept our sincere apologies for the distress and embarrassment this has caused."

The press also published a separate apology on its web site ([Link: www.cambridge.org...] and wrote that it would pay substantial damages and contribute to legal costs. A press release by Sheikh Mahfouz's London-based law firm, Kendall Freeman, said Cambridge University Press was also writing to over 200 libraries around the world asking them to withdraw the book from shelves. The total press run was about 1,500 copies.

/our friends the Saudis

I managed to find a copy of Alms For Jihad at Tower.com. Snagged it right up. Most of the usual outlets, it's already been pulled.

re: #156 mickthemick

re: #140 christheprofessor

re: #129 mickthemick

Hell, Harlen Sanders kept that rank even after he'd made millions sellin' fried chicken!

He was already outranked by General Tso...

LOL! But the general didn't have any side dishes!

King Crab outranks them both.
/I should be severely pun-ished for that, I know.

re: #161 cbinflux

re: #153 Cobra

Wristicuffs at dawn, you Scoundrel!

Pistols! Ahh say!

re: #149 christheprofessor LOL! Things don't look too good for old Ron Mexico in that photo!

re: #152 Seraphym

#152 Seraphym

China won't go quietly into that great Caliphate I suspect. It would be great if China AND Russia pulled their weight against jihadism NOW instead of later.

It's unconscionable that liberals and the EU are sitting on the sidelines whistling Dixie while Rome burns at the hands of the moslem hordes.

re: #147 cbinflux
Don't forget Sean Penn supports Hillary too! Peas in a pod

re: #138 zombie

And the Bulgarian Air Force has some planes that could make it that far.

/And back?

re: #156 mickthemick

LOL! But the general didn't have any side dishes!

Egg rolls, Dude. Egg rolls.

re: #166 Cobra

Charles has got the banning stick at the ready... frowns at Lizard-on-Lizard killings.

re: #167 mickthemick

re: #149 christheprofessor LOL! Things don't look too good for old Ron Mexico in that photo!

The Vick indictment is just a Federal set-up to distract us from Bush's failed war in Iraq.
/The story is getting more airplay than the war

re: #170 cbinflux

re: #138 zombie

And the Bulgarian Air Force has some planes that could make it that far.

/And back?

No need to come back right away, Libyan airports would have plenty of room and fuel if planned properly.

/SOG fan

re: #125 Kreuzueber Halbmond

Who is really footing the bill, here?

Condoleezza Rice hails Bulgarian medics release

US Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice hailed the release of the five Bulgarian nurses and the Palestinian doctor holding Bulgarian citizenship. The United States has repeatedly urged Libya to find a way to allow the medics’ return home, Rice recalled. She termed the release of the six health workers an important step in the process of reunion of the North African country with the international community. We hail this solution, Rice has told Bulgarian Foreign Minister Ivailo Kalfin shortly after the medics arrived to Sofia. In the meantime she has also said that the United States is still worried about the Libyan children infected with HIV, and will continue to provide assistance for their treatment.
[Link: www.bnr.bg...]

Why doesn't she raise hell about the torture and rape? If she doesn't she is just as bad as those who paid the ransom.

re: #165 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

re: #156 mickthemick

re: #140 christheprofessor

re: #129 mickthemick

I'm kinda partial to Emperor Penguin....

Hell, Harlen Sanders kept that rank even after he'd made millions sellin' fried chicken!

He was already outranked by General Tso...

LOL! But the general didn't have any side dishes!

King Crab outranks them both.
/I should be severely pun-ished for that, I know.

Has this now become the chicken thread? "None Dare Call It Ransom" Maybe it's appropriate, given the title.

Tradition! Tra-di-tion!
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]

re: #144 alegrias

It would be nice, but Putin's been so dead set on consolidation of resources, so he won't. Just not in the Bear's interest. I've read papers from a couple of years ago about Russia not being able to hold onto the Far East and Siberia in the coming years w.r.t. China. It makes me laugh now, but it's not funny. Putin's not giving an inch anywhere. No help to be found there.

The only time he's cares about jihadis is if they're inside the old Russian Empire, like Chechnya or the numerous -stans. Otherwise, they're potential clients.

re: #176 christheprofessor

My comment, buried in the middle of all that, was:

I'm kinda partial to Emperor Penguin...

And who says Arabs make bad businessmen? Extortion and the "international community" slaps you on the back. How can I get in on this action?

re: #172 cbinflux

re: #166 Cobra

Charles has got the banning stick at the ready... frowns at Lizard-on-Lizard killings.

Gotcha.
.

.
.
^{He started it Charles}

re: #144 alegrias

You'd think if Putin were serious about resurrecting Soviet Russia's glory days, he'd do bold things to endear him to his former satellites such as Bulgaria. Why not weigh in on behalf of your former allies against Qaddafi and other jihadists? Why not earn back the respect of your former colonies?

That's an excellent question. Bulgaria and Russia have long ties going back to czarist times. The Bulgarians were plus royalist quand le roi during the Soviet era.

Hey, Bulgaria is a member of NATO, so maybe they can get some help from Italy? no, how about Spain?, no, Greece? Turkey? Yeah, sure. Oh forget it then ... they're on their own. Some alliance.

re: #183 The Sanity Inspector

re: #144 alegrias

You'd think if Putin were serious about resurrecting Soviet Russia's glory days, he'd do bold things to endear him to his former satellites such as Bulgaria. Why not weigh in on behalf of your former allies against Qaddafi and other jihadists? Why not earn back the respect of your former colonies?

That's an excellent question. Bulgaria and Russia have long ties going back to czarist times. The Bulgarians were plus royalist quand le roi during the Soviet era.

Bulgaria probably still claims Constantinople as their own - they nearly captured it in The Balkan Wars. Faded glories die hard.

During the cold war Bulgaria was fairly well equipped with the standard Soviet era crap. Most of the cold war era Bulgarian army sat on the Greek/Turkish border, praying it would not have to fight either of its most likely adversaries.

Bulgaria also manufactured a fair amount of its own military equipment along the lines of small arms and ammo for everything up to tank guns, artillery shells and rockets.

At one point Bulgaria had a small MiG-25 unit. That unit was rumored to have given/rented/loaned its first aircraft to Libya, complete with pilots and ground crew, under Soviet orders. I don't know if that was ever confirmed.

I would imagine that is where the bulk of that $57 million debt came from. Ammo and spare parts.

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Currently Bulgaria has no ability to attack Libya directly, nor is it likely to gain that ability anytime soon. Even if the handful of Mig-29's they currently operate had the range, they would never get fly-over permission from Greece or Turkey to do so.

Qdaffi Duck choose his extortion victim carefully.

ANY
QUESTIONS?,
R

That's how bad it is in Libya.

They even owe BULGARIA money.

re: #160 wvobiwan

Where, besides LGF, were these Bulgarian nurses and the doctor front page news?

When Khadafi (or however he's spelling it today) gave up his nuke program, those nurses were in his power, and we could have got them back for the Bulgarians. After all, the Colonel was running scared right then. But we didn't lift a finger.

Europe? Don't make me laugh.

Russia? Again, don't make me laugh.

So, who was doing anything to assist the Bulgarians, who are not precisely the world's greatest military power, to get their people back?

No one.

So, since they couldn't do something properly violent, were receiving no assistance from those who could, and their people were conspicuously innocent and being horribly mistreated, forgive me if I think that $6,333,333.33 per hostage is a reasonable trade.

This is the fault of the West, not Bulgaria.

Again, we talk a lot, but we consistently betray those who count on us.

Yes, I'm irritated.

Where's the big shout from Amnesty International? I must have missed that.

If everybody is home safe and sound, then it seems to me there is one last unfinished piece of business for Bulgaria - level Moammar's home(s) as a warning, take out a few of his in-laws for good measure, and tell the madman this will continue without warning until the people who committed the acts of torture are delivered with payment of $57MM plus interest due payable to those who were tortured.

Then carry thru with the threat.

Once again it's time for Rudyard Kipling...

Dane-Geld

IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That you’ve only to pay ’em the Dane-geld
And then you’ll get rid of the Dane!

It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”

And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But we’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.

It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to say:—

“We never pay any-one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost;
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”

re: #189 goodbye_natalie

Lovely idea.

Unfortunately, I don't think the Bulgarians have the ability to do so.

They probably do have the will. But not the wherewithal.

re: #24 zombie: Terp Mole posted it:

Medic Recalls Eight Years in Libyan Jail

Thanks for the post cred, zombie.

NYSlimes reports their version of Der Speigel's torture piece today.

What? no Gitmo comparisons?

/Abu Ghraib in 4... 3... 2...

re: #191 Dianna

Unfortunately, I don't think the Bulgarians have the ability to do so.

They probably do have the will. But not the wherewithal.

Then you are very correct. It is time for the West to step up and assist them. We sent Moammar a message once before - we should do it again. And this time, with stealth, they won't even know we've been there until the bombs are ringing in the ears. Let the madman get a taste of that.

More importantly, the old communist bloc has proven to be a reliable ally since the cold war and they deserve to be accommodated. I'd much rather befriend them than I would the House of Saud.

F-16 buzzing my office again. A couple of weeks ago one flew over so low that I could have seen his face had he been angled right. I'm on the 16th floor, downtown New Orleans.

Probably practice runs for bombing the levees during the next hurricane.

re: #150 Eowyn2

re: #137 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

What's happening with Erick?

Dies from shear before it hits Hawaii, best I can tell.

re: #193 goodbye_natalie

Spot on.

This is a sore point with me; to the point where discussing it isn't really a good idea. I get awfully hot under the collar.

So I'm leaving this subject.

re: #196 Dianna

But you're so cute when you're angry!

So let's add up the jizya so far;

EU $400 million (includes Bulgaria's $57M ransom)

French nuclear reactor deal (+ military hardware)

EU free trade (+ political normalization)

Brand new US Ambassador (+ a date w/ Condi)

Possible release of the Lockerbie mass murderer;

Lockerbie convict 'will soon be home in Libya'

Libya believes it has reached a deal with Britain that could see a Libyan convicted for the Lockerbie bombings extradited home in return for last week’s release of six foreign medics, Muammar Gaddafi's son was quoted as saying today.
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He also told Le Monde that he hoped Megrahi would soon be sent back to Libya.

“We will soon have an extradition agreement with Britain,” he said, referring to a memorandum of understanding on an extradition deal signed with Libya during a visit by Tony Blair in May.

Naturally, UK denies any deal.

"Any decision on Mr Megrahi would be a matter for the Scottish courts and the Scottish authorities. There is no deal being done," the spokesman said.

Naturally, it's all just coincidence the Scots are hearing Megrahi's 2nd appeal.

/nausea

They should have sent over 57 million in bombs, targeting every city.

This should teach people, especially Americans or Christians (or both) to stay the hell out of Muslim countries. I've been to several and shan't return ever again.