Gaddafi strikes again.

The mafia used to call it a shakedown.

If this were on an episode of 24, it would be called unrealistic.

Wow a shakedown that even Jesse Jackson couldn't top.

By sheer coincidence, shortly after Libya freed the Bulgarian nurses, Bulgaria is going to waive $57 million of Libyan debt.

Ahunh. Yes, it is a "sheer" coincidence. What other kinds of coincidences are there?

Just curious.

Why go to all the expense of building nukes for extortion, when you can just kidnap people for ransom?

When are these fool European countries going to learn that this only enables these insane monsters?

OT but, I wanted to bring this to everyones attention. Not something likely to get noticed by the media...

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

"Egyptians kill four Sudanese trying to cross border [into Israel]"

But Egyptian troops also discovered the refugees. They fired upon them, immediately killing two and wounding a third. A fourth refugee ran towards the fence and an IDF soldier stretched out his hands, trying to help him cross the fence.

At that point, the soldier recalled, two Egyptian soldiers arrived and started pulling at the refugee's legs.

"It was literally like we were playing 'tug of war' with this man," the soldier said. He eventually loosened his grip on the man, fearing the Egyptians would shoot him.

"They were aiming loaded weapons straight at us, I was afraid they were going to shoot us," he said.

The Egyptians then carried the man several meters away from the border fence, and proceeded to beat him and another wounded refugee to death with stones and clubs.

8 years in a Libyan prison. Think of it.

$57 million of Libyan debt.

No oil in Libya?

This whole thing was a set up from the beginning.

Complete coincidence.

Nothing to see here folks, move on.....

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

What did Bulgaria sell Lybia?

re: #6 zmdavid

Why go to all the expense of building nukes for extortion, when you can just kidnap people for ransom?

Well, this "money" extortion. The nukes.. that's a whole different kind of extortion.

Hey - he needs that money.

He is paying for a new spelling of his name and new uniforms for his female body guards.

re: #13 zombie

I read the other day that the nurses were raped repeatedly and tortured horribly while in custody.

The Bulgarian government, instead of giving the Libyans $57 million, should have simply bombed Tripoli night and day until Libya surrendered. Then confiscated the national treasury.

Touch our women, pay the price.

Think Trojan War. How did that start? One woman.

Are woman worth that anymore?

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The funny part is someone actually owes Bulgaria money.

I don't understand this: how the hell did Libya become indebted for $57 million bucks to BULGARIA in the first place?!

I think in the official definition of ransom payment, it says ransoms must be paid in response to a note made completely from newspaper and magazine clippings.

re: #8 Extra Z's

"Egyptians kill four Sudanese trying to cross border [into Israel]"

The IDF should release the tapes.

Terp Mole posted it:

Medic Recalls Eight Years in Libyan Jail

...Sometimes we were tortured in the same room. I saw them half-naked and they saw me completely naked when I was being given the electroshocks. We heard each other whimpering, crying and screeching. Kristiana was hung up on a window while they put me on an iron pallet and applied the electroshocks. I am ashamed to talk about all the things they did to the women. They were raped. Kristiana was forced to put a bottle in her vagina. At one point Nasya, who couldn't stand it anymore, broke off a piece of window glass and slit her wrist. They took her to the hospital, under a false name, and then they brought her back to our torture chamber...

wouldnt it be easy to take a sample of what they were giving the libyan people and do a quick test to show there was no HIV anything in there.....who purposely infects children with HIV....this whole thing bothers me....8 years in a libyan prison for trying to help people......no good deed goes unpunished

Instead the money will be diverted to an international fund for the victims and their families, officials said.

They've misused the word "victims" here. I think the real victims in all this were the Bulgarian nurses and the Palistinian Dr. What did they get as compensation? This is an outrage that Europe is caving to Khaddafi's extortion racket! To Hell with Libya!

Let us hope the nurses have the courage to tell the world of their treatment.

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And while I'm taking a short break to be on LGF, while in the hell is Khaddifi, or howerver he's spelling his name these days, still only a colonel?! You'd think being able to hustle $57
million bucks out of Bulgaria ought to be at least a one star general, no?

#21 realwest

I don't understand this: how the hell did Libya become indebted for $57 million bucks to BULGARIA in the first place?!

Medical services perhaps?

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re: #17 Ginn

Only you Ginn!

:blush:

More lovely behavior on the part of the Libyan captors:

Months of torture

I was locked into a room with three dogs during the first few days. They ordered the animals to attack me. My leg is covered with scars from their bites. I had a large hole in my knee. I was served my meals in the bowl they used for the dogs. The five Bulgarian nurses were also being kept in this torture building. Every day our tormentors told us: "We will make you suffer until you confess." The torture periods were carried out between 5 p.m. and 5 a.m.. This went on for months.

One of the things they did was to wrap bare wire around my penis. Then they would drag me around a room that was at least 40 by 40 meters. I screamed and cried.

One of the most excruciating things was their electric torture machine -- a manually operated box that works like a generator. They would attach the negative cable to a finger and the positive cable to one of my ears or my genitals. The most painful part of it wasn't the current but the fact that they could change the rate at which it was applied. When I became unconscious they would pour cold water on my naked body and continue the procedure.

During the torture with electrical shocks, they would show me the passports of the five Bulgarian nurses and say: These are Kristiana, Nasya, Valentina, Valya and Snezhana. The nurses suffered the same fate as I did.
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But the worst thing was that they threatened to torture my family and rape my sisters in front of my eyes. After God, my family is the most sacred thing I have, and I am the only brother of four sisters. At one point they brought in a girl, and all I could hear was her voice, screaming: "I am your sister. I am being raped."

I gave up. Tell me what you want me to do, I said, I will sign anything -- even that I confess to being responsible for the Lockerbie plane bombing.
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The guards brought the other prisoners Libyan newspapers, which accused us of being child murderers. The Arab papers also spread these lies, picking up their stories from Libyan sources. Instead of defending me, the Palestinian envoy claimed that I had confessed to him that I was a Mossad agent and had deliberately infected the children. Many of the prisoners believed this. We Arabs are hypocrites. We know the truth and yet we believe the lies.

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How in the world can debt be diverted to a fund? Is this a promise from Libya to pay into the fund?

Anyway, this is the reward Bulgaria gets for loaning money to Libya. Lesson: Don't help them, ever.

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Heck, I will:

Libya held innocent Christians (who were SERVING the Libyan people with healthcare, by the way) hostage, under threat of a gruesome execution (hanging), for crimes they did not commit. Bulgaria caved and paid the RANSOM, the fools.

I'm glad the nuns are freed, but I bet Bulgaria could have found SOMEONE to help with a more Reaganesque response...

Jihadist stick with what works. If it ain't broke don't fix it. I have no doubts the S Koreans are doing the same ransom bargaining with the Taliban right now. It is a sad state of affairs that the Muslim world can continue to poke it's finger in the eye of the rest of the world with absolute impunity.
Can anybody ever recall an instance of when a group of people were held hostage, whether by bank robbers or terrorists and it didn't receive wall to wall coverage? Yet here this case with the S Koreans has gone on for 2 weeks and barely a mention.
Wonder if I can get that kind of deal if I start kidnapping people?

I question the timing.

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Heck, I will:
Libya held innocent Christians (who were SERVING the Libyan people with healthcare, by the way) hostage, under threat of a gruesome execution (hanging), for crimes they did not commit. Bulgaria caved and paid the RANSOM, the fools.

I'm glad the nuns are freed, but I bet Bulgaria could have found SOMEONE to help with a more Reaganesque response...

I like that.. a "Reaganesque" response.

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

re: #45 Just_A_Grunt

re: #38 zombie
You must have this confused with Abu Grab a**
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If it weren't for the **, that would make a good nick.

I blame Ronald Reagan. He didn't finish the job...[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

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It's a credit.

/ransom by omission

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

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Le Monde: Bulgarian nurses "had to vow not to make torture claims"

The five Bulgarian nurses and one Palestinian doctor released from Libyan custody last week had to sign a document in front of European diplomats that renounced all future legal claims of torture, France's Le Monde reported online Thursday.

The pledge not to pursue the Libyan authorities for torture during the eight years the six medics served for allegedly infecting children with HIV was contained in a letter drawn up during negotiations to have the prisoners released.

re: #51 zombie

re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Senile Dementia?

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re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

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re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

Obama would've bombed em. Just not with nukes!

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re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombieSomeone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Unfortunately Bulgaria ain't up to the task.

Maybe we should.

Has anyone noted that both Somalia and Libya -- two of the worst hell-holes on that continent and biggest pains in our side -- were both Italian colonies? Learned fascism from the source, they did.

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I hope all starry-eyed idealists hoping to "give back" via the Peace Corps, Doctors Without Borders, etc, in a predominantly moslem country see this story-and think better of it.

Let countries in which the majority of the citizenry belong to a "religion" that teaches them that that have the right to kill, mutilate, or enslave nonbelievers stew in their own juices.

No nonmoslem should enter these countries for any reason, if it can possibly be avoided-not for tourism, not for business, not for charitable work (which those who receive the aid almost certainly regard as jizya anyway).

No monetary aid. No humanitarian aid. Nada, zip, zilch.

The leaders of such countries WILL do this again, so prospective hostages need to stay far away.

More ransom as France is shipping military equipment to Libya.

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Can we make $57 mill worth of ordnance?

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I hope all starry-eyed idealists hoping to "give back" via the Peace Corps, Doctors Without Borders, etc, in a predominantly moslem country see this story-and think better of it.

Heh. The only way to "give back" is through the USMC.

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re: #55 Killgore Trout

If Obama went after Libya:

A thousand paper cuts from harshly worded letters and then spitballs made from Resolutions.

The Horror!

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What a shame. I wouldn't lift a finger to help any of those people in Libya. No good deed goes unpunished...I can't remember off hand who made that statement but in this case it fits.

Israelis send food to Gaza....
Yahoo pic

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007. A group of young Israeli left-wing activists developed a home-made launcher made from recycled materials, to protest the Israeli government's helplessness in dealing with rocket attacks from Gaza.

More pics of this humanitarian effort here and here and here.

Incoming!

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re: #58 Ginn

Yes, though I wonder how many of these are being stripped for parts.

I don't think I want to fly Bulgarian.

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re: #57 scottthecanuck

re: #52 MandyManners

I don't know ......lets ask Obama!

I wouldn't ask that bonehead for the time of day.

OsamaObama would tell you time a racist invention of white people, designed to keep blacks down. The only card up Obama's sleeve is the race card.

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re: #69 MandyManners

In a european court it will hold up because the nurses would be trying to make a post-colonial nation state and arms client look bad.

Which is one of the few capital offenses in the EU nowadays.

And what liberal/progressive groups are/have been expressing "outrage" about the torture of these COMPLETELY INNOCENT women and men?

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The silence of liberals in these instances in contrast to the hysteria they generate over HYPOTHETICAL torture of MASS MURDERERS is telling isn't it?

They don't care about people. They care about their cause and will simply flog any emotional issue WHEN it suits their needs not when it conflicts with their vaunted, superior, "morality"

Sounds like ransome to me.

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Later, lizards. I'm fuming. Steam's coming out of my ears.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

Israelis send food to Gaza....
Yahoo pic

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007. A group of young Israeli left-wing activists developed a home-made launcher made from recycled materials, to protest the Israeli government's helplessness in dealing with rocket attacks from Gaza.

More pics of this humanitarian effort here and here and here.

Incoming!

Holy crap that's funny! Hezbollah, Hamas, and Fatah send rockets, idiotic Israeli's send smashed, dirty food back. Put a damn grenade in that thing moron!

re: #76 bulwrk

re: #58 Ginn

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Bulgarian Air Force

From your link:

As a result of the Conventional Forces Europe (CFE) treaty the Bulgarian Air Force was obligated to scrap or dispose off 152 fighter planes. This was completed in November 1995 when the scrapping of a large number of MiG-17's was completed at Bezmer and MiG-21's of various types at Graf Ignatievo. In addition also some MiG-23MF's and BN's were involved. Other aircraft were disposed of for preservation and instruction purposes. An offer by Russia for the purchase of 14 MiG-29SM, 10-12 Su-25TK and a batch of 12 second hand Mi-24D's was rejected in the mid 90's.

In 1997 it was announced that another four bases were to be closed being 2IAB Gabrovnitza, 6IAB Baltchik, 11UAB Shtraklevo and 21 IBAB Uzundzhovo. All operations had ceased by the end of 1998 and the bases were downgraded to reserve status.

I'd have to say no, they don't have an Air Force.

re: #34 MandyManners

re: #24 zombie

Someone should bomb the living shit out of Libya.

Maybe Someone will.
Libya = Put (Ezekiel 37-38)

Unfortunately the Western world is still rolling around in the dirt with these throwbacks to the stone age.

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re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Instead the money will be diverted to an international fund for the victims and their families, officials said.

I'm taking it they dont mean to give the money to the medics who suffered under the Libyan's crap for so many years.

I wonder if we can start selling Gitmo detainees on ebay®?
It would be interesting to see who would bid on them.

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tsk tsk. Don't you know that torture is culturally appropriate in the Umma?
This criticism is just due to Islamaphobia in the extreme.
But panties on the head of prisoner done by a US guard. Shocking!
I know, a lot of us did that in college but this is different. They do not like kafir panties.
Clearly we need to go through forced sensitivity training.
For the RoP it is permissable to perform beheadings, stonings, honor killings, fornicating with female camels (as long as they do not drink the milk), wife beating and the ever popular car swarm.
That does noyt give any of us a right to criticise.

re: #73 Killgore Trout

An Israeli man prepares to fire eggs and vegetables towards Gaza Strip using a home-made launcher near Kibbutz Nir Am, just outside the northern Gaza Strip, August 2, 2007.

This looks like something out of a zombie report. These idiots. Thank god they're not topless.

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This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

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OT

This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

What took them so long?

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re: #62 Pajama Person

Interesting theory BUT, many of the starry eyed people in the peace corps et al truly believe that "once they get to know me, they'll know I'm not like the rest of the westerners they hear about"

Also, an old navy friend of mine spent two years in the peace corps after his 20 year naval career. He didnt take much for granted though. he knew going in that he wasnt going to change many minds about the US or westerners.

I honestly don't think the US HAS to change all that many foreign opinions about US citizens. Leftist world media, NGOs, and politicians get their jollies trashing Americans, but I really believe the average normal foreigner likes us just fine, better than most.

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re: #46 Ginn

Did Reagan ever bomb anyone? Just wondering.

Reagan bombed Gaddafi personally. How soon they forget.

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

We could loan the 509^th to the Bulgarians for a day.

I wouldn't put it past the Bulgarians to plan something special for Libya. Call it a thank-you gift for the "hospitality" their citizens received there.

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Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Sorry for the OT. I just listened to the Dennis Prager interview with Charles Johnson. It was excellent.

re: #104 rappmandu

I wouldn't put it past the Bulgarians to plan something special for Libya. Call it a thank-you gift for the "hospitality" their citizens received there.

One can only hope. It might be that since the Bulgarians 'forgave' Libya's 57 million debt, they never really expected to see that money anyway. So maybe in fact they got something for nothing?

But yes, the Bulgarians are not strangers to violence and retribution.

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re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

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re: #108 Ginn

re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

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This just in a Dkos ... bridge collapse due to Bush tax cuts.

Are these kids predictable or what?

Guess they never heard of the deficit.

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re: #111 wvobiwan

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Those decals care be really tough to apply! I've been repainting a Jaguar in Ecuador Air Force markings for over a week now!

re: #111 wvobiwan

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

This is not the way to solve this "problem." We have to see that there are two sides to this "issue." This is why diplomacy and paying extortion are important tools in the long term plan of surrendering to those who wish to rule us.

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re: #113 Lucius Septimius

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

Ha!

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re: #89 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Does Bulgaria even have an Air Force?

Dude (or dudette), are you serious (or just young enough to make me feel old?) 1986 wasn't that long ago!

And, yes, Bulgaria has an air force, but nothing in the inventory that can fly to Libya & back.

Dudette.

If they have nothing in their inventory that can reach Libya.. then bombing Libya is kind of out of the equation. (which is what this whole thing was about)

Nonsense, it takes about half a day to repaint an Israeli, UK, or US jet with Bulgarian colors...:>D

Probably less -- how many people would even know what Bulgarian colors are?

I can just see it - rather than spend billions on modern fighter and bomber aircraft, the Bulgarian Air Force spends 5 grand on those magnetic "Bulgarian Flag/Air Force" truck signs.

Libyan General: "That Bulgarian stealth fighter looks suspiciously like the American F-22!"