It looks like a middle eastern urn.

So how did officials decide it wasn't terror related?

What's a middle eastern Urn?

Well they definitely weren't sight seeing.

24-hour rule before we start speculating who it is.

oh, no. never terror related, never a 'dry" run...

For all we know, could be MIT students testing out a new class project.

Or a prank.

Names? We need names...

Of course it's not terror related, they were lobster fisherman. Doh.

What were their names I wonder?

Amos?

Where they yooths?

what's their names? whose their daddy?

We were heading upstream to spawn officer, honest.

It looks like the bomb on Mo's head in the Danish cartoon.

re: #3 schwaje

What's a middle eastern Urn?

A bunch of virgins, if he lives right.

Smith?

One if by land... two if by sea... - Paul

re: #11 AmeriDan

Where they yooths?

Nope. Asians. ;)

re: #5 zombie

Agree, and I wish the MSM had something longer than a 12 nano-second rule before declaring that something is not terror related.

Would one of you very smart people out there please explain to me why, 30 seconds after something happens, they are shouting from the roof tops "it wasn't terrorism". Why don't they investigate first?

Is it moonbat wishful thinking? Deliberate lying? What?

I don't get it.

Susan

Finklestien?

it looks like it's been in the water for a while. wonder how long they've been using that thing.

That's an old-fashioned diving bell.

A century-old design.

Strange.

re: #2 havapilot

So how did officials decide it wasn't terror related?

re: #5 zombie

24-hour rule before we start speculating who it is.

Yeah, this is one of those "wait and see" events. I hope it was just some local inventor/engineer types who built there own submersible just to see if they could do it. Still, this looks fishy (no pun intended).

Balasubramanian?

re: #15 mazeman

You mean if he dies right...

don't worry, probably just some of our 'friends' from the Balkans...

russians planting flags maybe fresh from the arctic.

Part of some historical re-creation?

Documentary?

Rove.

What color was the sub? Might they have been looking for the Sea of Green?

re: #20 SusanL

Would one of you very smart people out there please explain to me why, 30 seconds after something happens, they are shouting from the roof tops "it wasn't terrorism". Why don't they investigate first?

Is it moonbat wishful thinking? Deliberate lying? What?

I don't get it.

Susan

They are desperate for people to believe there is no terrorist threat so stupid people will vote Dem.

Terror Dry Run Gets All Wet

Submersible Subversives Seem Stuck in Sandbar

just some suggested titles for the thread...

re: #15 mazeman

re: #3 schwaje

What's a middle eastern Urn?

A bunch of virgins, if he lives right.

LMAO! Less than he's worth if he's working for those $%#^& Zionists!

John Jacob Jingleheimer

re: #21 Harry Tuttle

naw, finklestein is afraid of water.

Sneaky Submersible plot sunk.

What are their names?... that would be telling.

re: #18 Hard Right

I think that the "Asians" are out to get us too.

Weird.

False alarm. It's just the SS Jimmy Carter.

re: #39 AmeriDan

re: #18 Hard Right

I think that the "Asians" are out to get us too.

Naw. They just keep building Play Stations etc. to keep our kids fat, stupid, and lazy. ;)

Wolfeschlegelsteinhausenbergerdorff?

(look it up)

re: #41 Gagdad Bob

False alarm. It's just the SS Jimmy Carter.

Is it rabbit proof?

drug smugglers maybe, or they where treasure hunting, haha...

reminds me of that Civil War submarine, Turtle? or something like that...

re: #23 zombie

That's an old-fashioned diving bell.

A century-old design.

Strange.

This is clearly the flagship of the Al Quaeda Navy.

Or maybe its Obama's Pakistani attack vessel.

Or it's Murtha's Okinawan withdrawal force?

The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!

re: #46 Rogue198

Revolutionary War.

Is that a toilet seat for the hatch?

re: #20 SusanL

In our current climate, they need to reassure people until all the facts are straight. I myself get paranoid about cover-ups and white-washes (esp. in those cases of "sudden individual jihad" that have occurred the last few years). But, for a variety of reasons, it's better for all of us not to jump to conclusions.

I bet it was one of these...

[Link: www.getafreemonkey.com...]

I ordedered one off the back page of a Sgt Rock comic book back in 69...it never showed up...hey that belongs to me!

re: #50 RJ_in_Reno

re: #46 Rogue198

Revolutionary War.

gotcha...thanks!

re: #41 Gagdad Bob

LOL

Not a dry run. Definitely very wet.

re: #49 littleoldlady

The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!

Yeh, maybe they got lost and just planted that Arctic flag in Brooklyn.

Jeez. The things some people flush down their toilets.

re: #12 dr. akim ullsheetbay

what's their names? whose their daddy?

EGGS - ZACK - LEE!

-S-

East River jihad!

/maybe

re: #48 Iron Fist

My bet is drugs.

Hi Fist! Your bet is safe, considering the historical evidence of drug gangs using submarines. Drug smugglers makes more sense at this point than terrorists.

Could they have been in this? [Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Where there any Korans soaked or handled by infidels during this.

Priorities People!

Offtopic:

OAKLAND, Calif. — A veteran journalist and newspaper editor who was shot to death on his way to work reportedly received threats before he was murdered in what police are calling a premeditated hit, according to The Oakland Tribune.

Chauncey Bailey, 57, editor of the Oakland Post and a former reporter for The Oakland Tribune, was shot about 7:30 a.m., police said.

Click here to read the full story in the Oakland Tribune.

According to the Tribune, witnesses say a masked man ambushed Bailey and shot him at least three times. The man then fled to an awaiting van and drove away. At least one of the shots hit him in the upper part of the body.

The Tribune reported that the killer knew Bailey's routine in the mornings and shot him before the news editor had any time to react.

Publisher of the Oakland Post, Paul Cobb, said both he and Bailey had received many threats over time but police have asked him not to comment in detail, the Tribune reported
Oakland Police spokesman Roland Holmgren said police don't have a motive for the killing, but it did not appear to be random.

He also said it's not clear whether the attack had anything to do with Bailey's journalism work but investigators would be looking at that angle.

Early Friday police surrounded an Oakland eatery, Your Black Muslim Bakery, which Bailey reportedly had been researching before he was killed.
It remained unclear whether the police activity, a yearlong investigation resulting in more than a dozen being detained, was connected to the killing.

"All of those possibilities will have to be definitely explored and explored thoroughly," he said.

Bailey was shot multiple times in daylight near the county courthouse, Holmgren said. Witnesses to the shooting were cooperating in the investigation, but there were no suspects yet, police said.

Holmgren said the weapon used was not a handgun, but he would not disclose the gun's caliber.

Bailey was a familiar fixture on the local news scene, working at the Tribune for more than a decade and at other area media outlets, including KDIA-AM radio and cable channel Soul Beat TV. Before that, he worked for 10 years at the Detroit News.

In June, Bailey was named editor of the Post, a weekly publication geared toward the Bay Area black community.

Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums said Bailey will be missed.

"It is a tragedy when any person loses his or her life by an act of violence. The crime and violence on Oakland streets presents me with the most painful and difficult challenge I've ever faced," Dellums said in a statement.

In a statement, Oakland Tribune managing editor Martin Reynolds called Bailey "a friend, a valued colleague and a loving father" whose coverage of Oakland's black community was "a tremendous asset" to the newspaper.

Reynolds said he saw Bailey only last week wearing his trademark suit and tie and "we chatted as we always did when we saw each other, and I congratulated him again on being named editor of the Post."

Bailey's death "has left all of us at the Oakland Tribune shocked and deeply saddened," Reynolds said.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292011,00.html

Van Gogh anyone?

curly, larry and moe-hammed?

damn uncocumented workers will go to great lengths to get into this country...even under water...

Diving bells are NOT maneuverable.

Can't see how they would serve much of a purpose in regards to terrorism.

Gee ... Maybe it is a Chinese manufactured yacht.

They don't even have to tell us names, but for cripes sakes tell the truth:

"The men were asian"

"The men were amish"

"The men were from the planet bolton"

The truth shall set you free!

re: #63 AmeriDan

Where there any Korans soaked or handled by infidels during this.

Priorities People!

repost

Restive Jersians?

Jooos

Hi Little Old Lady!

They should have made the left turn at Albuquerque.

Bah... probably union delegates looking for Jimmy Hoffa.

/Lucabrazzi sleeps with the fishes.

Who knows what this is, could be a million things. But it did make me laugh for some strange reason.
48 hour rule is in effect.

re: #67 zombie

Diving bells are NOT maneuverable.

Can't see how they would serve much of a purpose in regards to terrorism.

We didn't think 737's would be effective either not so long ago.

re: #72 AmeriDan

Jooos

Definitely. They are trying to occupy the Western Bank of the river.

sorry, I'm an idiot. Didn't see the other thread.

/oops

I'm thinking Mo-something, Al-something, combined with some sylablage that makes you think you might be coughing up a loogie...

but hey that' s just me...

Likely Pace University Officials looking for missing pages of the Koran.

re: #15 mazeman

re: #3 schwaje

What's a middle eastern Urn?

A bunch of virgins, if he lives right.

Don't you mean dies right?

this just in...they are a retrieval unit of koran international, a division of gideon bible international, a subsidiary of sony international...all backed by a zionist conspiracy to make islamist look stoopid...

It was Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, and Hussein Obama looking for their sinking approval ratings.

re: #5 zombie Agree completely with 24 hour rule here. I think I heard the ABC announcer on the video tape provided at Charles link (after you listen and watch an annoying ad) say that it was "homemade" out of wood!

AmeriDan! :-)

Where you been?!

re: #77 faraway

re: #72 AmeriDan

Jooos

Definitely. They are trying to occupy the Western Bank of the river.

They want to occupy the World!

Use that quote CAIR!

...the owners of the SS Jihadi, Mohammed, Mohammed and Mohammed, have no comment other than "death to the infidels. You will burn in Hell while we establish the Caliphate."

CAIR spokesman Ibrahim Cooper tell this MSM reporter there is no indications that terrorism is involved. Stay tuned

re: #85 {littleoldlady} Where have you been?
Sleeping in again?! LOL!

re: #64 Karole

Oakland Mayor Ron Dellums said Bailey will be missed.

"It is a tragedy when any person loses his or her life by an act of violence. The crime and violence on Oakland streets presents me with the most painful and difficult challenge I've ever faced," Dellums said in a statement.

That must present quite a conundrum for the idiot Dellums. I imagine that he supported the bakery, too, right?

It is McCain, Kyle and Graham looking for their political careers after the Amnesty and Open Border Bill fiasco.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #88 realwest

{realwest!}

No time for a nap today. ;-(

/better watch out! CrankyOldLady on board...

Lurking. But I'm slowing getting the hang of keeping up with posting.

Not an easy thing around here, at least for me.

Hope all is well with you.

re: #84 realwest

re: #5 zombie Agree completely with 24 hour rule here. I think I heard the ABC announcer on the video tape provided at Charles link (after you listen and watch an annoying ad) say that it was "homemade" out of wood!

Maybe it was one of those cardboard "submarines" that used to be advertised in magazines like Boys Life. I think James Lileks wrote about ordering one of those when he was a kid.

The MSM is useless with their press release reprints that they pawn off as reporting. Aren't there any Jimmy Olsen types anymore that could go get some pictures and take some names? Terrorists or not, this is an interesting story and inquiring minds want to know what the heck is going on.

re: #61 mickthemick There's historical evidence of drug gangs using submarines?!

I can't beleive "Terrorism has been ruled out" wasn't in the second sentence!

Since it was made out of wood, maybe it was a barrel.

(guy at abc reads this, slaps forehead)

Nothing to see here, move along. Names, why do you want the names?

re: #92 AmeriDan

Lurking. But I'm slowing getting the hang of keeping up with posting.

Not an easy thing around here, at least for me.

Hope all is well with you.

Slowing=slowly. Bady steps I quess. PIMF

re: #15 mazeman

re: #3 schwaje

What's a middle eastern Urn?

A bunch of virgins, if he lives right.

If he dies right

re: #92 AmeriDan

Lurking. But I'm slowing getting the hang of keeping up with posting.

Not an easy thing around here, at least for me.

Hope all is well with you.

Yeah, after a few minutes my eyeballs start rolling around in my head.

/old. sigh.

I'm good. Hope you are, too!

re: #90 pat

It is McCain, Kyle and Graham looking for their political careers after the Amnesty and Open Border Bill fiasco.
[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

I had to laugh when a caller to Hugh Hewitt's said that Lindsey Graham was sitting shiva for his career.

re: #101 littleoldlady

I'm good.

I watched the clip, and it seems to be a non-story to me. I agree about the 24 hour rule. Last names will shed much light on the event.

#90 pat

whenever you talk about dead (career wise) Republicans, it always amazes me that Hagel's name is left out. As of 1/1/09, he is an ex-Senator. McCain, Kyl and Graham will still be there.

Kyl and McCain are probably safe but Graham may well go the way of Hagel in a primary with someone more in tune with his electorate.

re: #103 AmeriDan

re: #101 littleoldlady

I'm good.

Except for the IslamicFascist that dream of my death, of course. That's a bummer.

We good.

/We bad! ;-)

Good to see you, Dan! Don't be such a stranger, y'hear?

I'm going to go and give the eyeballs a rest...

re: #74 Hard Right

They should have made the left turn at Albuquerque.

WLGF out

Sweet sleep Dear Lady. You deserve it for putting up with the dead threaders :) I'll see ya around.

I don't know there are 7 pics in the news story and I'm sitting here trying to think of any good reason I'd get into that thing all by myself let alone wiht two other dudes.

What the heck are they doing in there tooling around the Brooklyn Cruise Terminal?

ABC says they were trying to "set sail" in this thing. I don't know anything about subs, but my guess is this thing doesn't move at all.

Ot: San Jose man arrested in terror probe

[Link: www.mercurynews.com...]

re: #111 faraway Except perhaps with the tide - East RIver is notorious for incredibly rapid currents.

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

Since it was made out of wood, maybe it was a barrel.

(guy at abc reads this, slaps forehead)

If the guys were white, would that make it...a Cracker Barrel?

re: #114 Hard Right Throws flag, blows whistle - "personal foul - unnecessary and racist roughness"!
LOL! Good one, Hard Right!

What's the big deal? The Queen Mary 2 is a massive cruise ship that can hold 2600 passengers. It's a major tourist attraction, and these men were merely tourists who though it would be neat to have a look at its undersurface. Everyone knows the most interesting part of a cruise ship is the rudders.

/MSM

Anyone voluntarily doing anything in, on or under the East River is displaying a level of fanaticism I find disturbing.

Plus wasnt there a general watch issued recently by DHS to the scuba community to keep an eye out for suspiciousness.

I'm calling this suspicious.

I'd say it's either terror or a group smuggling drugs.. or a Bush plot to make river rafters lose their rights.

Maybe just a bunch of history buffs? This looks like its out of the Revolutionary War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turtle_%281775%29

Let's see...

The same folks that determined this vessel was:
1. shaped like a barrel
2. about to set sail

also determined that this was not terrorist related.

re: #112 usajihad

can't view without signing up

Uh huh:

[Link: www.allegancounty.org...]

re: #5 zombie

can't we just go with "stupid"

It's Kramer!

I've searched pretty extensively and so far only ABC is carrying this. Wierd.

Even the other local affiliates aren't covering it. And WABC appears to be downplaying it more than the national ABC NEWS... Something very odd about this.

My office also looks directly at the East River and Brooklyn, and I don't see any unusual brouhaha.

I would have to guess tho that if there was any legitimate reason for this (research, documentary, ship maintenance, etc) that would have all been sorted out by now, and they would have posted a false alarm.

We need names so we can apply the nodroG Brown test:
diverse people engaging in activities.

/

Which of these is the most likely candidate?

ROPers?
Hindu extremists?
Joos?

re: #128 wildcat84

Which of these is the most likely candidate?

ROPers?
Hindu extremists?
Joos?

RONPAUL

That thing looks like some sort of upside down diving bell. One has to wonder what the deal is with this...If this is terrorist related, they could pack one of those things full of explosives and take out bridge supports without anyone seeing in coming.

re: #120 stevedecatur

The confraternity of Continental Navy re-enactors is a small one. However, with the 30th anniversary of the supposed death of Elvis coming up, Mojo Nixon and I remind you:
Elvis needs boats
Elvis needs boats
Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis needs boats

#120: That was my first thought.

It looks like the TURTLE of revolutionary war fame. It was found in a harbor with large ships. What could they have been up too...

Image:
[Link: www.mayflowerfamilies.com...]

I'm betting all my money that they were Methodists.

re: #115 realwest

re: #114 Hard Right Throws flag, blows whistle - "personal foul - unnecessary and racist roughness"!
LOL! Good one, Hard Right!

I'm half white. Don't I get to make fun of 1.5 of the 3 men?

re: #3 schwaje

What's a middle eastern Urn?

A-rab urn, not Middle Eastern one. It's like a Grecian urn, I think. Only not much truth in it, or beauty. Matter of fact, the two are kind of competing to see which there will be less of.

3 men in that thing.

Who had falaffel for breakfast?

Ickkk.

re: #13 Hard Right

We were heading upstream to spawn officer, honest.

All righty, that made me spray coffee.

San Jose man arrested in terror probe
ACCUSED OF AIDING `WANTED' BROTHER IN THE PHILIPPINES
By Sean Webby
Mercury News
Article Launched: 08/03/2007 01:31:26 AM PDT

Related document
Read the indictment (PDF)

One brother slipped through jungle dragnets, battling army troops with spy planes circling overhead. The other lived quietly in San Jose, tapping away at a computer, Googling about faraway places and making a few visits to the bank.

One brother, Zulkifli Abdhir, 41, remains a wanted terrorist flush with aliases and a $5 million bounty for his leadership role in an Al-Qaida-affiliated terror group called Jemaah Islamiyah.

Jemaah Islamiyah is blamed for most of the major attacks in Indonesia, including the 2002 Bali nightclub bombing that killed more than 200 people.

Federal authorities swooped into Sunnyvale on Thursday morning, arresting Rahmat Abdhir, 43, a.k.a. "Sean Kasem," for allegedly helping his younger brother do some of his bloody work from here.

The elder Abdhir is charged with conspiracy to provide material support to terrorists, providing material to terrorists, contributing goods and services to a "specially designated global terrorist" (his brother), and false statements, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

Using false names, Rahmat Abdhir allegedly sent his sibling about $10,000 for guns, coded e-mails helping him avoid capture, news stories of his bloody exploits and finally a care package filled with chocolate, a rifle scope and ammo, according to the indictment.

"With today's arrest and indictment, we have closed off a channel by which an American citizen was allegedly funding and supplying a

con'td fugitive designated terrorist with two-way radios and other materials for his operations overseas," said Assistant Attorney General for National Security Kenneth L. Wainstein in a statement. "As this case demonstrates, we will bring the full force of the law against anyone who uses the resources of our economy to support overseas terrorism."
If convicted, the San Jose man could face decades in federal prison.

Rahmat Abdhir's attorney could not be reached for comment.

A 40-page indictment filed by the U.S. Attorney's Office shows a portrait of brotherly love that went toward bullets and bombs.

They are two of 11 siblings of Malaysian descent, according to court documents. And they did most of their talking across the distance by coded e-mail using Malaysian language. They called guns "iron" and government agents "dogs." Bombs were called "prizes" or "presents."

And the younger Abdhir's group was allegedly setting them off in 2006 all around southern Philippines, with deadly results.

Meanwhile, "Sean" in San Jose was creating an electronic clip file of news stories from the United States, news stories that told of troop movements and U.S. spy planes. He was sending these by e-mail to his brother, the indictment alleges.

Soon his brother wanted more than news.

"If I had extra money, I would buy more `iron' . . . because the occupants in the house in front of mine do not have any," he allegedly e-mailed his stateside brother in 2006.

Later that year, after more e-mails talking about the need for weapons, the San Jose Abdhir wire-transferred $5,500 from a Bank of America account to a Malaysian bank account that used their mother's name, according to the indictment.

He later allegedly sent 30 two-way radios.

In October, Zulkifli Abdhir sent an e-mail saying he needed money for a friend who needed "iron" (guns) for protection from "dogs" (government agents). His friend, the e-mail said, had "given away prizes" and was planning on giving away others, the indictment said.

He suggested his brother check out the news.

The next day powerful bombs exploded at a celebration in the Philippines, killing five and injuring 29.

Later, the two exchanged casual e-mails talking about how Zulkifli Abdhir was now a hunted terrorist with a bounty on his head. The San Jose brother e-mailed a news photograph of a Philippine military commander standing in front of a wanted poster for his brother.

And just last month, according to the indictment, "Sean" sent his brother a package that included a rifle scope, manuals for shooting assault rifles, Fruit of the Loom briefs and some bite-size Snickers candy bars.

The package, according to the indictment, had a San Jose return address.

Contact Sean Webby at swebby@mercurynews.com.

...but the initial indication is that it did not appear to be terror-related.

Why do they do make these stupid pronouncements when there clearly hasn't been enough time to investigate? Is the American public that stupid? Oh! Wait. The Dems hold the House, don't they?

Never mind.

re: #5 zombie

24-hour rule before we start speculating who it is.

May I speculate that they're not Amish?

Has anyone here identified the vessel? This doesn't look homemade to me? Get busy people.

I recall watching a program on the History Channel about the Revolutionary War (1776). George Washington was fighting the Brits, and he had been forced into a retreat. He was trying to stop the British from occupying New York City. There was a genius of an engineer named David Bushnell. Bushnell had designed a submarine. It had a hand-cranked propeller, steering devices, and could be submerged. The idea was for the "pilot" of the submarine to go underwater and affix explosive charges to British war ships tied up in harbour. (An ingenious idea). (The sub was called or nicknamed, The American Turtle -- due to its shape...although it was upright (the "pilot" sat in a chair). Anyway, history buffs (part of the History Channel program) wondered if they could re-make The Turtle. They did indeed...it worked well. (The original "turtle" never actually sank any British battleships, btw.) Anyway, the news report picture of this "sub" in Brooklyn looks like "The Turtle" or a replica.

A sub in the East River?

Looking for skeletons wearing cement overshoes?

In the comments section posted at Charles' link there are a couple points worth repeating . . .

While we now have every news agency in the country saying that hundreds of bridge's are ready to collapse under our feet any moment, and that's considered responsible journalism, even though only 2 bridges have suffered structural failure in the past quarter century IN THE ENTIRE US, resulting in less then 60 fatalities total, let's not worry about terrorism in NYC, which has suffered 2 successful attacks killing thousands in the past 14 years, and several attempts that have been thwarted. Nothing to see here...

and this:

the USS Turtle was an operational submarine in the American Revolution. It tried to plant bombs on British vessels in New York harbor but got lost in the currents. that havin g been said, heading out in New york waters in a home made submarine is unbelievabley stupid.

Did they find Jimmy Hoffa inside?

[Link: www.defensetech.org...]

LATEST PICTURE HERE!

OK, so, the pic is a little old, but, hey, it could be them!

;)

A quick look at diving bells do not show any hatch on top. That is where the cable is attached that is used to lower and raise the bell. So I think we can rule out someone finding an old diving bell laying around and thought it might be fun to try it out.

Was it a Yellow Submarine?

Maybe they all live in it...

This looks close:

[Link: www.wtec.org...]

These look like fun:

[Link: www.diseno-art.com...]

re: #38 new2thezoo

What are their names?... that would be telling.

Maybe one of the mini-subs from the Pearl Harbor attack that went missing on December 7, 1971 has turned up, how old where the guys removed from the mini-sub? Guys your way off course and the wars over!

More here:

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

The vessel, with one person inside, and an inflatable boat carrying two people, were spotted near a security zone around the luxury ocean liner docked at the cruise ship terminal in Red Hook, Brooklyn.
...
The sub, piloted by a Greenpoint man, came within 100 feet of the luxury cruise liner.

So one person in the vessel and they apparently weren't trying to hide.

I don't know a thing about boating or scuba but you don't have to tell me to keep my submarine more than 100ft away from the cruise ships.

Freakin brain surgeons here.

Awww come on, anyone can see that it's not a diving bell...it's a void ship.

The Daleks are coming! The Daleks are coming!

/only Dr. Who fans will get this.

But seriously, I don't think it's terrorist related (at first blush anyway). I think it's just a bunch of stoopid kids or college students. Besides, don't diving bells weigh alot?

re: #144 arf

A sub in the East River?

Looking for skeletons wearing cement overshoes?

Or Judge Crator?

My money is on eccentrics experimenting. That happens a lot around NY Harbor. I know one person who has a sailboat made of steel and another who bought an old tug and uses it like a yacht.

Never attribute to malice what can be adequately ascribed to stupidity.

re: #148 neverquit

Watch out, CAIR's going to hear about this!

rikki tikki tembo no sa rembo cherry berry ruchi pip perry pembo
//yes, i have 4 kids

Picture of "sub":

[Link: abclocal.go.com...]

Picture of "turtle" circa 1776:

[Link: www.thehunley.com...]

[Link: ledger.southofboston.com...]

Forbes, now says "authorities arrested three men". Probably not Michael Moore doing a documentary then.

I think we saw this ship as it was coming in - we were crossing the Verrazano bridge at 6am Wedn - and looked out and saw this enormous white ship - cruise ship.

I was already panicking while crossing the bridge - for some strange reason - having vivid thoughts of the bridge collapsing - which I chalked up to my vivid imagination although I had never felt this kind of panic before. On a scale of 1-10, it was an 8-9, full fledged panic. Luckily my husband was driving.

Later, I wondered if it wasn't a premonition. Now this.

re: #163 DistantThunder

I panick two when I cross the V-Z, but mostly it is anticipation of the traffic on either the Gowanus or the SIE.

"I panick two?"

Geez...how humiliating...

re: #154 Harry Tuttle

More here:

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

The vessel, with one person inside, and an inflatable boat carrying two people, were spotted near a security zone around the luxury ocean liner docked at the cruise ship terminal in Red Hook, Brooklyn.
...
The sub, piloted by a Greenpoint man, came within 100 feet of the luxury cruise liner.

So one person in the vessel and they apparently weren't trying to hide.

I don't know a thing about boating or scuba but you don't have to tell me to keep my submarine more than 100ft away from the cruise ships.

Freakin brain surgeons here.

Perhaps "Greenpoint" provides a hint . . .
Greenpoint masjid center

I'm starting to think these were just three whackadoos out for a day of fun. With two floating above in a dinghy, it wasn't exactly covert.

re: #20 SusanL

They ask an official 30 seconds after an event whether it was terrorists, and the official repsonse is an accurate one, such as: "At this time we have no conclusive evidence that this was a terrorist act."

What you usually hear from the reporter is: "FBI officials have confirmed that this incident is not terrorist related."

Just like asking: "Senator, is it true you beat your wife?"

News story: "Senator X denies beating his wife."

True it is too early to reach any conclusion but one of the men was identified as being from Greenpoint.

Full article is quite interesting.

Brooklyn Terrorist Safe House Raided by FBI and DEA

Dean Loren | 27.09.2001 05:58
NY reporter exposes terrorist safe house and drug network operating in Brooklyn, NY. FBI and DEA raid safe house arresting family members for WTC bombing activities and drug trafficking.

Brooklyn Terrorist Safe House Raided September 19, 2001 by FBI and DEA

On September 2, 2001, one week prior to the World Trade Center Incident,
Dean Loren reported Brooklyn's Green Point Islamic Mosque on 602 Leonard Street and Safe House/Candy Store on 87 Norman Ave. as the underground railroad and financing network for the WTC bombers of 1993. The terrorist network was in full operation and currently moving heroin and ammunitions. Sheik Raman had been sheltered in the Norman Avenue Safe House prior to his arrest in New Jersey for the first WTC bombing. See License Plates and Drug Distribution Properties below.

Loren notified Condolezza Rice's NSA Office in Washington on Thursday Sept 6th with the heroin and arms trafficking report with a specific warning of a terrorist attack.

On September 19, 2001, FBI and DEA officials raided the owners of the Norman Avenue Safe House, the Quhshi family, for terrorist activities connected to the WTC incident.

The white mitsubishi observed at the Boston Airport is believed to be owned by "Sammy" the son of the livery car owner on McGuiness Avenue across from Key Foods in Brooklyn. Sammy lives on North Henry Street.

Three women of the Greenpoint Islamic Mosque admitted to having to leave the country prior to September 11 WTC incident. Their husbands and others are still at large in the country.

re: #163 DistantThunder

I was already panicking while crossing the bridge - for some strange reason - having vivid thoughts of the bridge collapsing - which I chalked up to my vivid imagination...

Now this.

Off your meds again, D.T.?

re: #166 saywhat?

Nothing to see here. It is common for Islamic centers to have submarines near security zones. Are you people Islamiphobes?

/CAIR

re: #163 DistantThunder

The Queen Mary 2 looks like this. I think you probably saw one of the Noreweigan Cruise Line Ships, The Noreweigan Dawn, which are largely white and are quite large in their own right.

The captain has been issued two violations - for entering restricted area and an unsafe vessel.

Here's an update.

[Link: wcbstv.com...]

re: #166 saywhat?

This is the strangest article I have ever read.

What is a Greenpoint man?

Well an unarmed cruise ship full of tourists is just the kind of target the brave warriors of the mujahadeen prefer.

Rub-a-dub-dub
Three men in a tub
And who do you think they be?
The butcher beheader, the baker flaming jihadi, the candlestick roadside bomb maker,
Turn them out, knaves all three.

re: #174 faraway

Greenpoint is a neighborhood in Brooklyn. Kinda hardscrabble, but in the process of being gentrified as it has water views.

The Queen Mary docks in Red Hook, which also has commanding views of the Upper and Lower NY harbor.

Yeah yeah yeah. Its too early to start speculating what this is but its not too early to declare what it's not. BS.

The vessel bears a striking resemblance to the "Bushnell Turtle," the first American submarine, invented around 1775 in Connecticut by David Bushnell. That sub was designed as a naval weapon, and it was meant to drill into a ship's hull and plant a keg of powder, which would be detonated by a time fuse.

Gee sounds like something the followers of Mo would like:

1. Really old technology.
2. Capable of blowing stuff up.

While giving this the 24 hour rule, I think it worth pointing out that this "submersible" was 100 yards or so from the QE 2, a BRITISH ship.
Hmmm.

Authorities are questioning three men after pulling them from a submersible vessel in the East River in Brooklyn, N.Y., according to reports from ABC affiliate WABC.

Probably just the butcher, the baker and the candlestick maker, out for a wee Friday cruise.

/rub-a-dub-dub.

re: #49 littleoldlady

The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!

The Russians are already here. There are thousands of them already in Brooklyn annoying the general public. They were either going after the ship or one of the subway tunnels under the river.

re: #131 Pullus Iulius

re: #120 stevedecatur

The confraternity of Continental Navy re-enactors is a small one. However, with the 30th anniversary of the supposed death of Elvis coming up, Mojo Nixon and I remind you:
Elvis needs boats
Elvis needs boats
Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis Elvis needs boats

Elvis-lution!

re: #30 Poitiers-Lepanto

HAHAHAHA

re: #77 faraway

Dummies. The Jews already control New York-we are setting our sights MUCH HIGHER NOW!

re: #38 new2thezoo

Yes. We will have to see if this passes Steyn's "Mohammad Test".

re: #171 ProUSA

re: #166 saywhat?

Nothing to see here. It is common for Islamic centers to have submarines near security zones. Are you people Islamiphobes?

/CAIR

aka Masjid Ar-Rahman (Greenpoint Islamic Center, Inc.)

Yellow Submarine?

Where are the LGF operatives? They should be on scene filming and finding out names. LOL

#182 Mojo Jojo:

They were either going after the ship or one of the subway tunnels under the river.

Or bridge supports.

A little (illogical) phobia of mine: I've always been a bit nervous driving over bridges... and the tragedy in Minnesota is one of my worst nightmares. Whenever I approach the Tappan Zee, I pray there are no traffic jams and try to get across as fast as I can.

re: #182 Mojo Jojo

re: #49 littleoldlady

The Russians are Coming! The Russians are Coming!

The Russians are already here. There are thousands of them already in Brooklyn annoying the general public. They were either going after the ship or one of the subway tunnels under the river.

Walt Whittaker: Look, can I give you some advice? You'll never make it down to the harbor. Why don't you all give yourselves up? Either you'll kill somebody, or you'll get killed. Either way - you could start a war!
Lieutenant Rozanov: What is your name?
Walt Whittaker: Whittaker. Walt -
Lieutenant Rozanov: Remark to this, Whittaker Walt. We must have boat. Even now may be too late. This is your island, I make your responsibility you help us get boat quickly, otherwise there is World War III, and everybody is blaming YOU!

Maybe they didn't have any cell phones or bricks of cheese with them.

Flickr.com has these photos

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

It's the same guys. Someone posted it on the comments section of the article.

re: #189 avspatti

Done. And Done.

There are ONLY a few possibilities

Low probability possibilities we don't rule out until we know more:

Enthusiasts wanted to see if they could fab a sub, however all states require all watercraft to be registered and it does not appear to have any certification.

They could be American citizens and they either did not want their wives to know they were out of town, wanted to skip the long lines at immigration or were protesting the US government intrusion into their private right to travel

They could be UN employees certifying the international nature of the East River

High probability possibilities:

Could be illegal immigrants and they were dropped from a ship as part of a high dollar alien smuggling ring

They could be smugglers or drug dealers but there is no report of drugs being found.

Or they are terrorist scum up to no good.

re: #190 Logic

#182 Mojo Jojo:

They were either going after the ship or one of the subway tunnels under the river.

Or bridge supports.

A little (illogical) phobia of mine: I've always been a bit nervous driving over bridges... and the tragedy in Minnesota is one of my worst nightmares. Whenever I approach the Tappan Zee, I pray there are no traffic jams and try to get across as fast as I can.

The Tappan Zee. Not my favorite bridge. I try to avoid that as much as possible unless heading up to the Moheegan Sun. Unfortunately, you don't need a submersible for that bridge. It's going to fall down by itself.

re: #44 Hard Right

re: #41 Gagdad Bob

False alarm. It's just the SS Jimmy Carter.

Is it rabbit proof?

Maybe it's some weird cure for hemorrhoids.

re: #68 XMarine

Gee ... Maybe it is a Chinese manufactured yacht.

No - a Chinese yacht would be equipped with a screen door below the waterline.

I know, 24 hour rule, but the whole thing just don't seem like a good old fashioned "dumb-ass attack".

That is an antique UFO...It looks like a bong with the top bowl left off. I saw one just like it when I was on a class tour of Area 54 thirty years ago.

An eyewitness to the Brooklyn incident say it fly in "kind of like something that is flushed down the toilet, then it splashed".

Obviously the reason they will not identify the "men" is because they are ALIENS.

The newer model UFO's that I have heard about about are a lot more streamlined...They have gotten away from the bong design and now use a design that looks like a big rolled up joint. This new design is made to fly faster and use a lot less gas. It's amazing the technology the aliens have been developing!

In the town where I was born,
Lived a man who sailed the sea,
And he told us of his life,
In the land of submarines.

So we sailed on to the sun,
Till we found the sea of green,
And we lived beneath the waves,
In our yellow submarine.

re: #196 Mojo Jojo

We avoid the TZ like the plague...

And this from today's local paper:

It is only "Adventures With an Egg"

See the photos here:

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

Oooops

Here is a link directly to the photo page of Adventures With an Egg

[Link: www.flickr.com...]

re: #194 lawhawk

My picture's bigger that yours! :) Nya, nya!

Have we got their names yet?
Because two 13-year-old boys slapped a couple of girls' butts in Oregon and we got THEIR names right away![Link: www.examiner.com...]
Oh, and they could get 10 years in prison plus a lifetime as registered sex offenders if convicted.

re: #29 zombie

Part of some historical re-creation?

Documentary?

That's kind of what I was thinking. It looks alot like what David Bushnells Turtle would have looked like.

Wikipedia already has the story:

"On 3 August 2007 three men were arrested while piloting and escorting a replica of the Turtle within 200 feet of the Queen Mary 2 without authorization at New York City's cruise ship terminal. The replica was created by New York artist Philip "Duke" Riley and two men from Rhode Island, one of whom claimed to be a descendant of David Bushnell."

Article

Arrgh. I see that I'm a day late and a dollar short, again. Apologies.

re: #179 ProUSA

The vessel bears a striking resemblance to the "Bushnell Turtle," the first American submarine, invented around 1775 in Connecticut by David Bushnell. That sub was designed as a naval weapon, and it was meant to drill into a ship's hull and plant a keg of powder, which would be detonated by a time fuse.

Gee sounds like something the followers of Mo would like:

1. Really old technology.
2. Capable of blowing stuff up.

Darn it man, you beat me to it.

#207 Elmira Viking

Are you from Elmira, Viking?