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Thursday Overnight Thread

Thu, Aug 9, 2007 at 9:40:50 pm PDT

As day turns to night, and the lonesome yell of the coyote echoes over the high desert, here’s an overnight open thread...

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1 Caliredst8r  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:42:24pm

Just in time for bed

2 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:43:11pm

Hell, the coyotes echo over my back fence, never mind the high desert.

3 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:44:50pm

I like the high desert!

4 RTLM  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:45:22pm

Wolves make much better howlers. Coyotes just sort of "yipe yipe yipe" as a group.

5 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:45:28pm

The high desert?

Dude take the mothership back to the beach please!

6 Caliredst8r  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:45:28pm

Meep, meep!

7 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:46:46pm
As day turns to night

Time.

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:46:51pm
As day turns to night, and the lonesome yell of the coyote echoes over the high desert, here’s an overnight open thread...

Can we round that out some more? We have starlight and campfire too, yes?

/Let's make smores!

9 psaturn  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:47:12pm

You are in the high desert ?

I am in the LOW desert !

Let me know ! I can take you to a treat !

10 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:47:13pm

And the coyotes around here don't seem very lonesome. They frequently sound, uh, much more involved then lonesome. And there sure are a lot of pups come spring.

11 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:48:28pm

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,,,,,,,

there

made a few more commas for tfk and sat?

/can't remember the nics of all the comma addicts

12 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:48:43pm

re: #2 Dublin(CA)Dude

Hell, the coyotes echo over my back fence, never mind the high desert.

WELL, They are across the road in the 600 acre pasture in front of the house, and packs of them running and yelping on the back 40 here in the deep South... Dublin Dude, my dogs going nuts when they start yelping at the trains in the distance,...heh heh...they get unbelievably loud...

13 bosforus  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:48:53pm

And if you're looking for some coyotes for target practice, might I suggest these?

14 itellu3times  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:49:21pm

Open Doctor Memory!

15 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:50:07pm

Oh, that reminds me of the nutty woman in the line ahead of me at Wal*Mart the other day. She went on and on about my need to get batteries for The Kid's new, big-ass, brass clock. I told her a few times (then, I just ignored her--she really was obsessed) that I had the "C" batteries at home.

Dagnabit. I was wrong. Wrong. WRONG. WRONG. WRONG.

16 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:50:54pm

re: #8 Sharmuta

Weenie roast!

17 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:51:47pm

re: #12 BODYGUARDEAGLE

I grew up in NYC, so living here in suburban San Francisco, I'm just amazed at the wildlife that exist amid so much development. A few hundred acres of open space and the coyotes and turkeys just thrive. And I'm talking about packs of coyotes and 70-80 turkeys at a time invading the local residences.

When I was growing up, my idea of wildlife was pigeons and rats. Nice change.

18 Akiva Tzippor  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:52:27pm

Ron Paul!

19 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:52:31pm

Saturday is the Murder, She Wrote marathon on the Hallmark Channel.

Heaven!

20 FQ Kafir  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:52:44pm

Is Charles channeling Art Bell?

21 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:53:16pm

Here Chen, Chen, Chen!

22 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:53:27pm

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

I heard one of the towns in the area was thinking of having a turkey hunt.

/parents live in Concord

23 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:53:28pm

I number 22

24 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:53:51pm

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

There are turkeys in San Francisco?

25 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:53:55pm

High desert?
Carlos Castaneda?
Stay away from mirrors!

26 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:54:10pm

re: #23 coquimbojoe

Miss

27 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:54:20pm

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

Keep your cats inside. I lost a cat to a mountain lion near Denver a while back.

28 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:54:47pm

re: #26 unclassifiable

re: #23 coquimbojoe

Miss

That's Mister to you

29 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:55:05pm

re: #24 DesertSage

Yeah

Grand Gobbler Pelosi fer one

30 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:55:09pm

re: #25 IslandLibertarian

High desert?

High Island.

31 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:55:16pm

re: #26 unclassifiable

re: #23 coquimbojoe

Miss

Miss? Ah, you sexist pig! It's Ms.

32 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:56:13pm

re: #22 unclassifiable

The turkeys have become a problem equal to the Canadian geese. The population has exploded in recent years and they are everywhere. Nasty, dirty birds, the roast on cars and houses, eat everything in sight and have no fear of man.

And of course, some people just have to feed them, like the do the racoons.

If you think geese leave a mess, you see what the turkeys leave. People back east laugh when I mention it, but it has become a very serious problem in the area.

33 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:56:39pm

Is this the coyote thread?

Oh, boy! Where's the lamb shish-kabobs?

34 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:56:50pm

re: #24 DesertSage

I don't live in SF, I live in Dublin, 25 miles SE of SF and 25 miles NE of San Jose.

35 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:56:57pm

re: #28 coquimbojoe


No no

you said "I number 22"

I said "Miss" 'cause your not 22

not cause you are a miss

or something is amiss

hmmm

36 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:58:12pm

re: #16 MandyManners

And tequila! Where's Sage?

37 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:58:51pm

re: #27 MandyManners

I don't own a cat here, but people who do try to keep them indoors. A loose cat frequently becomes "coyote chow". And we do see the occasional mountain lion, usually in the fall, when, after six or seven months of dry weather, the deer come down from Mount Diablo to feed in the irrigated yards and the mountain lions follow them.

38 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:59:06pm

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #12 BODYGUARDEAGLE

I grew up in NYC, so living here in suburban San Francisco, I'm just amazed at the wildlife that exist amid so much development. A few hundred acres of open space and the coyotes and turkeys just thrive. And I'm talking about packs of coyotes and 70-80 turkeys at a time invading the local residences.

When I was growing up, my idea of wildlife was pigeons and rats. Nice change.


************************************************** *********

Dublin Dude, I grew up in the Deep South,[Alabama], and wild Turkeys were for hunting, and the Coyotes had actually just started migrating BACK in to our areas, they had all been killed as predators and pest in the late 40's and early 50's..
After 20 years or so of unchecked breeding and cross-breeding with loose pets and wild dogs, they are getting HUGE in our rural area. I've shot two in the last year as big as big German Shepherds, that looked more like wolves. One had just killed a baby calf in the big pasture across the road as I watched, and then ran to get my rifle to dispatch it.

39 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:59:30pm

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #26 unclassifiable

re: #23 coquimbojoe

Miss

Miss? Ah, you sexist pig! It's Ms.

I'm old fashioned.

40 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 9:59:43pm

The songdog lurks on the periphery of the flock. He is hungry, but he is patient.

He watches to see who falls behind.

41 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:00:06pm
42 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:00:09pm

re: #32 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #28 coquimbojoe


OK OK Is this the coyote, pig, turkey or friggin gender title thread?!

Dammit people make up yer mindz!

43 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:00:16pm

re: #34 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #24 DesertSage

I don't live in SF, I live in Dublin, 25 miles SE of SF and 25 miles NE of San Jose.

But...they do have turkeys in SF?

44 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:00:46pm

re: #30 DesertSage

wusss hap'nin dude.........?.......
Maui Wowie?
Kauai Electric?
Elephant?

That was long long ago and far far away........

Power to the Correct People!
(The sober ones too.)

45 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:01:10pm

re: #36 Sharmuta

He's present and accounted for.

46 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:01:20pm

re: #27 MandyManners

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

Keep your cats inside. I lost a cat to a mountain lion near Denver a while back.

Mandy, I've lost some really good rural country farm cats to the coyotes, and I mean these cats were domestics, but big Thoms, that were the killers of the farm rodents themselves.

47 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:01:46pm

re: #38 BODYGUARDEAGLE

The local coyotes are still rather small, and still very shy and avoid contact with humans as much as possible. I hope that doesn't change.

48 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:01:59pm

Hear that lonesome whipporwill...

I was tempted to put up the Hank Sr. version, but LeAnn is much purtier.

Okay, here's Hank.

49 Beagle  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:02:06pm

Libya admits torturing nurses...
BBC puts "torture" in scare quotes even though it's the younger Gaddafi admitting they used electricity.

50 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:02:41pm

re: #43 DesertSage

I seldom go into SF, but somehow, I don't think they do, unless you consider wacked out lefties as turkeys, in which case they are overwhelmed with them.

51 Magalaga Ding Dong  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:02:41pm

Bluuuuue shadows on the traaaaaaaaail....
Soft wind blowin' through the treeeees abooooooove...

/Martin Short, 3 Amigos

Night, Lizardz

52 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:03:14pm

re: #37 Dublin(CA)Dude

After my initial outrage, I didn't blame the mountain lion.

Hell, we were intruding on HIS property.

53 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:04:03pm

re: #41 MandyManners

Only moose I've ever seen were in Yellowstone Park.

54 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:04:16pm

re: #33 SgtSongdog

Is this the coyote thread?

Oh, boy! Where's the lamb shish-kabobs?

************************************************** *******
SGTsongdog, we're just discussing the aggravations of another pest such as the Leftist and 'Troofers' lol

55 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:05:20pm

re: #44 IslandLibertarian

Elephant?

Elephant you say?

Yes, an elephant...
An elephant is a majestic, noble, feeling, intelligent animal.
A donkey...is just a jackass!

56 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:05:39pm

Disturbance near Jamaica could threaten Western GOMEX coast mid-week, probably neat Tampico, but South Party Island, TX not 100% in the clear.

Environment Canada model forecasts biggie in the Gulf. However, as a caveat, the Canadian model was programmed by crack smokers.

57 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:05:58pm

re: #7 MandyManners

Time after time

Good luck today. Bet you cry when The Kid goes to school!

58 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:04pm

re: #47 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #38 BODYGUARDEAGLE

The local coyotes are still rather small, and still very shy and avoid contact with humans as much as possible. I hope that doesn't change.

************************************************** **********
Dublin Dude, thats the way i remember them when i was a kid, but they have progressively gotten bigger....and less afraid of humans and Guard dogs, and the herd dogs,

59 abolitionist  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:17pm

More victims found in US bridge collapse
10 Aug 2007 01:39:50 GMT

MINNEAPOLIS, Aug 9 (Reuters) - Authorities said on Thursday that searchers have found the remains of more victims in the wreckage of the bridge collapse in Minneapolis, raising the total death toll so far to at least eight.

One of the victims was identified as 47-year-old Peter Hausmann of Rosemount, Minnesota, who had been among the eight listed as missing and presumed dead following the Aug. 1 collapse of the Interstate 35W bridge into the Mississippi River.

Remains of other victims besides Hausmann were also found, Minnesota Department of Public Safety spokesman Christine Krueger said, without being more specific.
[snip]

Peter Hausmann + more victims. That's as specific as this story gets. Doesn't the public have a right to know how many?

60 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:24pm

re: #52 MandyManners

Mountain lions not to be messed with but they are majestic.

I stood about 50 yards from one at Big Bend. Felt like my heart was about to pound out of my chest.

/bbbig kitty

61 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:32pm

re: #39 coquimbojoe

So am I. To a point.

BTW, how does one pronounce your nic?

62 Beagle  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:49pm

Yale expert: Not enough known about anti-Semitism

.....
Across 10 European countries, Small and Kaplan conducted a telephone survey of 5,000 respondents, asking them about issues of classical anti-Semitic stereotypes and about anti-Israeli views. "There were questions about whether the IDF purposely targets children, whether Israel poisons the Palestinians' water supply - these sorts of extreme mythologies," Small says.

The study found that Europeans who are extremely anti-Israel are also disproportionately anti-Semitic. "The people who believed the anti-Israel mythologies also tended to believe that Jews are not honest in business, have dual loyalties, control government and the economy, and the like," Small says. The correlation is an astonishing 56%. That is, an Israel-hating European is 56% more likely to be anti-Semitic as well than the average European.

"This is extraordinary. It's off the charts," says Small. "If a food or a drug was 56% more likely to cause cancer, it would be taken off the shelf."
.....

63 MikeySDCA  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:56pm

Fox ran a clip from Cindy Sheehan announcing her run against Nancy Pelosi. Cindy cited the U. S. Constitution regarding impeachment. I did a little research on her citation. She got it wrong, really wrong.

I realized that I had misappreciated this bitch. I had thought her garden-variety suburban dumb with a lot of falling in love with the camera. I was wrong.

She is STUPID!

64 IslandLibertarian  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:06:58pm

re: #55 DesertSage

and then there is Thai-Stick Elephant Gras........ahh, you had to be there.......

PTTCP!

65 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:07:17pm

re: #42 unclassifiable

re: #32 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #31 MandyManners

re: #28 coquimbojoe


OK OK Is this the coyote, pig, turkey or friggin gender title thread?!

Dammit people make up yer mindz!

All of the above.

66 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:07:57pm

re: #59 abolitionist

There could be trouble identifying some victims, and DNA testing is required, and/or family has to be located...

67 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:08:44pm

re: #65 MandyManners

Ms.

That's a miss. It's now the mountain lion thread.

68 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:08:56pm

re: #54 BODYGUARDEAGLE

Hmm. Hope this works -- first time I've tried the new "reply" feature.

Agreed about all three pests, but someone has to defend my namesake!

/indignant

69 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:09:00pm

re: #57 NY Nana

One of my favorite Cindi Lauper songs, thanks so much!

70 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:09:29pm

on local Fox affiliate, re-run of "Cops", Tarrant County constables and Mansfield PD arresting D&D redneck in trailer park. Man has empties of MD 20/20.

Why the same people that make Mogen David Kosher Blackberry wine in Upstate NY would also make the preferred beverage of rural North Texas T.T., is just beyond me.

71 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:09:55pm

re: #69 Dublin(CA)Dude

You are most welcome. Same here. Enjoy!

72 Student of Objectivism  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:10:07pm

Dear Lizards,

You may be interested in this:

Neoconservative Foreign Policy: An Objectivist Perspective

From The Objective Standard, entitled Neoconservative Foreign Policy: An Autopsy by Yaron Brook and Alex Epstein

Thanks

73 Poimanester  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:10:08pm

I live in the high desert. It's my property. Mountain lion couldn't hold it. Too bad, so sad.

74 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:10:28pm

re: #56 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Disturbance near Jamaica could threaten Western GOMEX coast mid-week, probably neat Tampico, but South Party Island, TX not 100% in the clear.

00_054_G1_north@america@zoomout_I_4PAN_CLASSIC@012_144.jpg" target="_blank">Environment Canada model forecasts biggie in the Gulf. However, as a caveat, the Canadian model was programmed by crack smokers.

That link should have worked. Well, I'll just paste URL. Maybe Canadian programmers also on crack when designing EC website.

[Link: www.weatheroffice.gc.ca...]

75 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:10:46pm

re: #70 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

A finely tuned marketing machine.

76 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:11:00pm
77 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:12:04pm

re: #70 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

BTW I have been drunk on MD 20/20 in Dallas

78 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:12:09pm

re: #68 SgtSongdog

re: #54 BODYGUARDEAGLE

Hmm. Hope this works -- first time I've tried the new "reply" feature.

Agreed about all three pests, but someone has to defend my namesake!

/indignant

************************************************** *********
SGTSongdog......many on here will get your back, and help defend the SGT's namesake, i'm sure... lol

79 Noam Sayin'  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:12:15pm

G'night, all!

80 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:12:26pm

re: #46 BODYGUARDEAGLE

The one I lost found me the night that Lt. Col. Oliver North spoke in Seattle back in the late 1980s. This cat had survived in a nasty urban environment.

81 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:13:10pm

Maybe the ampersands in the URL mess up the linkage.

Go here, [Link: www.weatheroffice.gc.ca...] , and pick your own forecast time.

82 MrArchieBunker  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:13:38pm

I was overjoyed to hear about the reputations of those 2 Marines being restored today. The Haditha 'massacre' was a fraud and a hoax from day 1, brought to you by the very same vermin who brought you the Jenin 'massacre'. Just when all the PC garbage begins to get on your nerves and your Psyche, good news arrives. I am self deleting comments about Murtha and Tim McGirk.

83 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:13:56pm

re: #71 NY Nana

Did you ever hear her "At Last" CD from about three years ago? Great work.
Underappreciated artist.

84 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:13:57pm

re: #2 Dublin(CA)Dude

Hell, the coyotes echo over my back fence, never mind the high desert.

I will take coyote's any day than frogs.

/snicker

85 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:14:00pm

re: #70 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

on local Fox affiliate, re-run of "Cops", Tarrant County constables and Mansfield PD arresting D&D redneck in trailer park. Man has empties of MD 20/20.

Why the same people that make Mogen David Kosher Blackberry wine in Upstate NY would also make the preferred beverage of rural North Texas T.T., is just beyond me.

************************************************** *********
LMAO..........ED>>>>>>>> IT's Redneck CHEAP ! lol............

86 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:15:05pm

re: #49 Beagle

Libya admits torturing nurses...
BBC puts "torture" in scare quotes even though it's the younger Gaddafi admitting they used electricity.

I wish we would bomb the fuck out of them on behalf of those victims.

87 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:15:28pm

re: #80 MandyManners

re: #46 BODYGUARDEAGLE

The one I lost found me the night that Lt. Col. Oliver North spoke in Seattle back in the late 1980s. This cat had survived in a nasty urban environment.

************************************************** *********
Mandy, Thats a shame, made it in the hard city, but in the WILD, it IS a different story altogether....

88 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:15:47pm

re: #42 unclassifiable

re: #61 MandyManners

re: #39 coquimbojoe

So am I. To a point.

BTW, how does one pronounce your nic?

Coe-kim-boe Joe

89 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:16:04pm

My dad recently forwarded an email newsletter from Dick Armey's blog, that said their online poll showed Ron Paul with 56% of the vote.

The RonPaulistas are legion! And spamming!

I told dad to disregard all online "polls".

90 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:16:28pm

re: #57 NY Nana

re: #7 MandyManners

Time after time

Good luck today. Bet you cry when The Kid goes to school!

HA! Not at all.

91 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:17:04pm

re: #88 coquimbojoe

Where's the accented syllable?

92 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:17:20pm

re: #84 Highrise

Highrise, I love the frogs, can't wait for that first rainy night when the tree frogs burst into song. Amazing how much noise a tiny little (less than a inch long) frog can make.

93 Steve  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:17:47pm

I used to go coyote hunting when I was a kid. They were very fast learners.
We would build a fire and wait in the shadows against a tree until we say the glow of their eyes.
We would then shoot between their eyes.
This worked fine for about the first 4 hours.
After that we kept coming up shy with carcasses.
Stumped at why this was happening we decided to get a portable spotlight and see what was going on.
When their beady little eyes appeared again we immediately put the spot light on them. Much to our surprise they had bee putting their heads close together and then closing their outside eyes.
We had been shooting between them.
Smart little critters.

94 coquimbojoe  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:18:08pm

re: #91 MandyManners

re: #88 coquimbojoe

Where's the accented syllable?

Kim, I guess. I have been called that since '84, so I haven't really thought of it.

95 Salem  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:18:21pm

re: #53 Dublin(CA)Dude

Funny story: my Dad and I went on a trip to see all the sights in Wyoming; Jackson Hole; Devil's Tower; Grand Tetons; lots of mind-numbing prairie in between, taking pictures all the way. At Yellowstone lake I spotted a Moose on the other side and, seeing that I only had one shot left in my camera, I elected to snap a picture of this moose, not really concerned that with the moose so far off, it wouldn't make for a impressive picture because we were about to get in the old scout and head back home. The moment I snapped the picture, this moose starts to amble across the lake and, to my astonishment made a line straight to me. This moose was three feet away, looking me right in the face, and I had snapped my last picture when he was a dot on the horizon. He sort of snorted at me once, and then moseyed off along the trail.

Disappointing, but kind of magical at the same time.

96 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:18:22pm

re: #63 MikeySDCA


Fox ran a clip from Cindy Sheehan announcing her run against Nancy Pelosi.

I saw that..and man did she look bad. I'm not just saying that. Her shoulders were hunched, her face had the actual look of depression on it, she was pale and kind of sickly looking....not candidate material for sure.

While I passionately dislike her, I would bet she sticks to her true self more than pelosi...but pelosi is a millionnaire. Not only is it a fat chance for sheehan to win in that district due to pelosi's money and history of reelections there and the fact she IS the 3rd in line which does have an impact on decision vote making, she just doesn't look confident enough as a leader to make it. But if you look at most green party types, none of them look healthy that try to run.

97 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:18:51pm

re: #89 SgtSongdog

My dad recently forwarded an email newsletter from Dick Armey's blog, that said their online poll showed Ron Paul with 56% of the vote.

The RonPaulistas are legion! And spamming!

I told dad to disregard all online "polls".


TOO funny.

98 Beagle  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:18:51pm

#86 MandyManners

Or at least not reward them with nuclear power and other goodies like France.

99 Poimanester  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:19:22pm

#93

Steve,

How much you want for that bridge?

100 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:19:31pm

Earlier today it was 9, then 20, now it's 50: Over 50 killed in southern Philippines fighting

MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine troops shelled Muslim rebel positions and raked them with helicopter fire overnight on the southern island of Jolo after a day of intense fighting in which at least 54 people, including 26 troops, were killed.

The fighting which broke out on Thursday morning is the heaviest in the volatile Philippine south for almost three years, but the military said it suspended operations at daybreak on Friday following a request from the provincial governor.

"We got a call from Governor Abdusakur Tan to suspend operations because of the Muslim holiday," said Major-General Ruben Rafael, the local military commander. "We have agreed."

101 MandyManners  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:19:51pm

Sandman's calling.

102 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:19:57pm

re: #92 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #84 Highrise

Highrise, I love the frogs, can't wait for that first rainy night when the tree frogs burst into song. Amazing how much noise a tiny little (less than a inch long) frog can make.


Well 10 frogs..ok...1000 plus...not so much.

103 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:20:20pm

re: #101 MandyManners


rest well :)

104 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:21:03pm

What holiday are the Musselmen celebrating?

105 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:21:38pm

re: #95 Salem

I remember the moose at Yellowstone to be somewhat aggressive. Fortunately, I had a serious telefoto lens on my cam, so I could keep a good distance and still get some great shots. The buffalos were another story, totally unpredictable.

106 BODYGUARDEAGLE  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:22:19pm

Well, It's time to say "Goodnight all", I've got to leave early in the morn, on a drive for Chesapeake,Virginia, from Alabama. [long drive]-sigh-... enjoy the Wild animal thread fine folks
....catch you all later...

107 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:23:07pm

re: #49 Beagle

Libya admits torturing nurses...
BBC puts "torture" in scare quotes even though it's the younger Gaddafi admitting they used electricity.

Beagle..how awful. I really want to know what hand our state dept has in their release. I'm a bit angry that they have not come out and pressured and condemned them as much as I'd like to see.

108 Salem  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:23:25pm

re: #95 Salem

Forgot to mention: I was about nine at the time.

Got a picture of a black bear cub in the Lake City (CO) cemetery while visiting my grandfather's grave about ten years ago. Never did see the momma bear.

109 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:23:39pm

re: #102 Highrise

They do get VERY loud. But they are so small and cute, with those little sucker tipped fingers, get them in my fountain and bird bath all the time.

110 unclassifiable  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:24:04pm

yes yes time for the grave yard shift

yabba dabba do

sliding down the brontosaurs' tail

and onto bed

aloha

111 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:26:46pm

re: #109 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #102 Highrise

They do get VERY loud. But they are so small and cute, with those little sucker tipped fingers, get them in my fountain and bird bath all the time.

I'm an animal lover to a normal extent anyway...and I lived near a pond when I was in college. I swear during the spring time there were over 1000 frogs croaking ALL night, I never slept that entire quarter in college. Needless to say, I stayed awake at night contemplating how to kill them without doing it by my hand..like maybe bags of salt :P . I ended up moving it was so bad.

Now with that said, I nearly cried the other night when my daughter 2.5 yrs old started hopping around like a frog saying ribbit ribbit...now that was cute!

112 Beagle  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:27:43pm

Florida: Padilla Judge Says No to ‘Defensive Jihad’

Jurors in the trial of Jose Padilla and two other men cannot consider whether the men’s actions were justified by Islamic law, a federal judge ruled. The judge, Marcia G. Cooke of Federal District Court, agreed to a request from prosecutors to instruct the jurors that each of the men could be convicted even if they “may have believed that the conduct was religiously, politically or morally required, or that ultimate good would result.” A cornerstone of the defense during the nearly three-month trial has been the idea that Islamic teaching provides for legitimate “defensive jihad.” Mr. Padilla and his co-defendants, Adham Amin Hassoun and Kifah Wael Jayyousi, are charged with being part of a North American terrorism support cell.


Whew!

Florida not a sharia state this week.

113 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:28:54pm

Even at 1:30am local time (EST) the thread is going to fast for me. Back to lurking around the perimeter.

I love this blog. Reading the comments always gives me a chuckle, gives me insight, renews my faith, and sometimes even teaches me something.

And Ed-of-the-many-names *Songdog waves across the Internet* Don't you ever stop giving us the weather reports! Tell me one other blog that has their own weatherman!

G'nite, all.
Songdog out.

114 Salem  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:28:56pm

re: #105 Dublin(CA)Dude

re: #95 Salem

I remember the moose at Yellowstone to be somewhat aggressive. Fortunately, I had a serious telefoto lens on my cam, so I could keep a good distance and still get some great shots. The buffalos were another story, totally unpredictable.

My Dad said at the time that it's a good thing I didn't try to take a picture of the moose when he was so close up because he might have charged me. But this one just came right up to me like "Hey, how ya doin'? You folks having fun at the park? Well, good. Don't forget to visit Old Faithful. Ciao!"

115 DesertSage  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:29:45pm

Cindy Sheehan is a Sissie.

Why is she wasting her time running for an office that makes her only one of 535. She should set her sights a little higher, she should run for president!

Sheehan/Kucinich '08

116 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:30:11pm

re: #82 MrArchieBunker

Yes if we truly believe in innocent till proven guilty..especially in this case with a he said he said eye witness scenerio and not a hard paper trail crime....

why call it a massacre?

Shame on you press...damn you for doing this to our Marines!

117 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:30:51pm

re: #111 Highrise

Maybe I'm weird (hell, I know I'm weird) but I find the tree frogs lull me to sleep. When the first fall rains come I try to keep the bedroom window open so I can hear them.

BTW, met Dianna and Carolina Girl last month at Dianna's house warming in San Jose. As I recall, you're local too.

118 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:33:46pm

re: #117 Dublin(CA)Dude


No you aren't weird, I just doubt you have a pond right outside your window like I did with 1000 frogs haha.

/smiles

Actually, when I lived in the middle of 20 acres with the pond about 1000 feet away with about 100 frogs maybe, I agree completely with you..it is really cool actually.

119 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:34:47pm

I went to a reunion that had fireflies..aren't those one of the most cooliest bugs ever? I think this was in iowa..we don't have them in wa or calif..too bad :( .

120 SgtSongdog  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:35:49pm

Hey! I just noticed. . .

I just went over 100 comments!

Do I get a doggie treat. . .

Or a swat with a rolled-up newspaper?

Okay, now I'm really going to bed.

121 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:36:03pm

re: #119 Highrise

Sad isn't it? Fireflies are only to the east of the Rockies. I see them whenever I go back to New Jersey in the summer to visit my mom. Neat insects, kids love them.

122 Highrise  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:37:54pm

re: #120 SgtSongdog

Hey! I just noticed. . .

I just went over 100 comments!

Do I get a doggie treat. . .

Or a swat with a rolled-up newspaper?

Okay, now I'm really going to bed.

You should know better than to give LGF posters a multiple choice list...some of us would choose the newspaper :P

kidding :) . Nite to you!

123 Beagle  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:38:10pm

Speaking of sharia...

Mauritania law promises jail for slavery

Human rights campaigners praised the law as a signal that a long-awaited cultural shift might finally be taking hold in Mauritania, where slavery has existed for hundreds of years and is ensconced in traditional proverbs, songs and poems. The new law prohibits many of these as pro-slavery propaganda.


Not to mention fatwas saying slavery is still as Islamic as ever, but AP would never let that slip past their filter. It's a total whitewash of the Islamic foundations of modern slavery.

Nice they reported the event as slavery in Mauritania without mentioning the war in Iraq as a possible cause.

124 Stallion  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:40:41pm

I remember my days serving in Germany under Reagan. We used to run over coyotes by lurching our Mercedes to the left so that the tail swung toward the coyotes, who would then bolt into the street just in time for us to jerk our Mercedes to the right...and the coyotes were just a chalk outline.

/

125 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:41:07pm

re: #115 DesertSage

It's a spat with nancy. They were once so close.........

126 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:41:15pm

re: #124 Stallion

FOTFLMAO

127 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:41:36pm

PIMF
ROTFLMAO

128 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:43:33pm

re: #90 MandyManners

HA! Not at all

Ha...cya later, with virtual Klennex™

G'nite all!

129 MrArchieBunker  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:43:33pm

re: #116 Highrise
Amen highrise, the pinko press and their Arab allies were looking for another My Lai massacre in order to complete the 'Iraq is Vietnam' paradigm. Tim McGirk of Time magazine is the real villain here. He bought a stinking kettle of fish from professional anti-American liars who are very skilled at this sort of thing, and who know they will always have allies in our twisted media. Where is Ernie Pyle when you need him?

130 boocat  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:47:07pm

Wish I was back in the Mojave Desert.
One of the books I'm currently reading is Michel Digonnet's Hiking Death Valley: A Guide to its Natural Wonders and Mining Past.

131 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:48:14pm

re: #116 Highrise

Highrise, you can send one of the Marines a message at this [Link: www.justinsharratt.com...] site

132 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:50:01pm

Time to turn in, 5 am comes early.

Later lizards, its been fun, as usual.

133 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:50:26pm

re: #15 MandyManners
Don't be so hard on yourself...batty women in a Wal-Mart line have that same effect on me sometimes.

Sometimes.

re: #19 MandyManners
I think I'll wait for the Hallmark She Wrote marathon on the Murder Channel.

re: #115 DesertSage
If she were President, the struggle between her Love of Impeachment and her Will to Politically Survive would create a terrific BUZZ in her brain.

Actually, maybe a buzz would have done her more good than all of the protesting.

134 BenZacharia  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:51:15pm

Highrise

We live in the middle of 151 acres, the pond is about 150' feet south of the house and I'll we've got left after a cropduster hit us on 7/23 is bull and leopard frogs.

135 Racer X  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:51:24pm

Speaking of coyote, this is pretty funny:

Dog on a rope.

Good stuff.

136 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:52:20pm

re: #115 DesertSage

And Thugo could be our First Lady!

137 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:52:48pm

re: #124 Stallion
PRICELESS!
Mad me almost spew my Coke.

138 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:59:02pm

re: #135 Racer X
Wow!
This gets in my Top 3 of the Day for Video Clips.
Excellent!

139 Beddgelert  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:59:26pm

Like most of the reporting from the ME, stringers rule the context and content for 'frugal' (cheap) and lazy reporters who only add words like ~ "pretty" ~ before words like ...awful, ...bad, ...wrong, ...scary, ...much, ...confused, ...tired, ...nasty and so on... they can't read or write English anymore let alone tell the truth. Hell I remember reading the inventive word heighth in the NYT's. They sure have gone into hiding lately though...

Bedd

140 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 10:59:29pm

The Border Patrol had better leave those coyotes alone!

141 Americain  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:00:44pm

Submitted for Lizardoid analysis-


Obama's Church: Cauldron of Division

Several prior remarks by Obama's pastor have caught the media's attention:

Wright on 9/11: "White America got their wake-up call after 9/11. White America and the Western world came to realize people of color had not gone away, faded in the woodwork, or just disappeared as the Great White West kept on its merry way of ignoring black concerns." On the Sunday after the attacks, Dr. Wright blamed America.

Wright on the disappearance of Natalee Holloway: "Black women are being raped daily in Africa. One white girl from Alabama gets drunk at a graduation trip to Aruba, goes off and gives it up while in a foreign country and that stays in the news for months."

Wright on Israel: "The Israelis have illegally occupied Palestinian territories for over 40 years now. Divestment has now hit the table again as a strategy to wake the business community and wake up Americans concerning the injustice and the racism under which the Palestinians have lived because of Zionism."

Wright on America: He has used the term "middleclassness" in a derogatory manner; frequently mentions "white arrogance" and the "oppression" of African-Americans today; and has referred to "this racist United States of America."

With role models like this, Obama would make a great Prez!

142 Yankee Division Son  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:01:42pm

I can often hear the call of the Coyote at night... I've seen them a few times in my backyard, and even had one attempt to attack my dog. (a 90 lb Labrador)

Once, I heard an awful noise in the woods behind the house, and out sprang a deer, at least a full year old, with a Coyote on it's back who had a vice like grip on the deer's neck. Another Coyote was attacking from the rear. They downed it and killed it before myself or my neighbors could scare it them off.

Sound like an episode of "Wild Kingdom"? It sure looked like it. Here's the kicker, I live about 50 miles southwest of Boston. Not exactly the high desert.

143 Racer X  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:02:16pm

LOL at this one!

"Coyote's are conservatives" - Ugly plus ugly = Diane Fienstien

144 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:10:54pm

re: #124 Stallion

I remember my days serving in Germany under Reagan. We used to run over coyotes by lurching our Mercedes to the left so that the tail swung toward the coyotes, who would then bolt into the street just in time for us to jerk our Mercedes to the right...and the coyotes were just a chalk outline.

/

Coyotes are not in Europe. Perhaps the Gray Wolf?

145 cbinflux  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:19:20pm

Is this thing on..?

146 Beddgelert  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:19:46pm

hilarious, dog on a rope...though I cringed at the end of Ugly plus Ugly, cant stand to see an animal shot with a high power riffle with a scope, thank god he got away. coyotes are important to keep around for the Eco system, yet I am no farmer and livestock culling by the dog usually happens to the weakest, part of the peril of raising livestock.

147 Racer X  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:21:04pm

88 logged in CB. Just you and me watchin talkin' coyotes.

148 Racer X  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:22:08pm

Yeah I cringed too. But it was damn funny up to that point.

149 Beddgelert  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:23:39pm

sure was...those guys sure have a lot of time on there hands

150 Racer X  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:35:33pm

re: #141 Americain

Shhhh! We're supposed to keep that stuff under wraps until September '08.

151 mondoreb  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:36:17pm

Just one more

152 BenZacharia  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:37:47pm

Did Mike C. self ban?

153 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:39:03pm

re: #152 BenZacharia

No.

154 BenZacharia  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:40:27pm

re: #153 Sharmuta

I saw a warning, did he jump froggy with Charles after that?

155 NY Nana  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:42:26pm

re: #152 BenZacharia

Nope. He is banned. Check his LGF on this comment.

G'nite for real!

156 Sharmuta  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:43:13pm

re: #154 BenZacharia

You could search what Charles said about it. To me, it's not worth the time or effort.

157 Malatrope  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:43:49pm

Ok, OT, but this is an OT thread.

This picture of a "sign" is photoshopped. No doubt. The perspective (and even paint density) is all wrong for a sign seen at this angle.

Question: why? Isn't there enough sympathy going around for these miners?
Why craft such an obvious fake for a pedestrian story like this, CNN?

158 BenZacharia  Thu, Aug 9, 2007 11:54:59pm

re: #157 Malatrope

Send it Charles so he can add it to his fauxtography folder.

159 Malatrope  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:00:50am

re: #158 BenZacharia

Done. I presumed he would read the thread, but he's a busy guy. (Not sure he reads all the mail, either!)

160 willtay73  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:03:04am

If you have time, check out this nonsense.

161 pbird  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:08:20am

Ed, its cheap.

162 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:18:34am

re: #155 NY Nana


All I can say is, you won't see a tear from me.

/smiles

163 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:20:15am

re: #152 BenZacharia


Its one of those things...that one pushes the envelope on purpose..yet hopes to never get called out.

I'll leave it at that..hehe.

164 FlyingTigress  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:21:06am
As day turns to night, and the lonesome yell of the coyote echoes over the high desert, here’s an overnight open thread...

I have seen the future, and it is Lancaster!

165 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:21:23am

some people like to test the waters..others like to push the waters..and then play innocent.

it's interesting as an observer to see who is doing what....hehe.

166 squarepeg  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:23:30am

re: #164 FlyingTigress

Tigress, seriously, you're not thinking of moving to Lancaster, are you? It's a hellhole.

167 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:23:59am

Anyone wanna buy Elvis' army fatigue shirt? Bids start at jus5 50 grand!

[Link: cgi.ebay.com...]

168 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:26:31am

re: #165 Highrise

Continuing to give hat tips to that 46 year old arrested adolescent Rich was annoying.

169 Salem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:30:57am

Water is wet. Hat tip--Rayra

170 WrathofG-d  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:32:08am

You know you get to a point where you realize that all of it and none of it matters. Everyday its really just all the same. The only thing that can change is the perception of the reality.

/nothing

171 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:32:21am

re: #169 Salem

LMAO!

172 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:34:50am

re: #169 Salem

I found them to be not quite as interesting as that.

173 WrathofG-d  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:35:15am
174 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:36:43am

re: #173 WrathofG-d

before I click, how many megs?
/Dial up

175 WrathofG-d  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:37:36am

re: #174 BenZacharia

Its a youtube link.

I dunno.

176 Salem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:41:40am

Yeah, Mike never went after me, really, but that frequent channeling of Rayra was pretty daft. You'd think he'd have bigger fish to fry.

177 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:48:46am

re: #176 Salem

Daft? It was straight up rude.

/But your 169 was hilarious.

178 Salem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:52:23am

Ty. Gn!

179 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:54:12am
180 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:56:00am

Yo Mama! Ok, very good. Now, stay calm - breathe-in, breathe-out - squeeze the trigger slowly as you exhale.

But Achmed, your standing....

That looks like Irans newest RPG, the worlds only RPG fitted with a rear-view mirror for the caddie. The Iranian's are really quite savvy in their design & manufacturing techniques. They build the only self-igniting auto and I believe they've just introduced a new passenger jet. Yesterdays Gulf News Daily's PDF version carried a story that Iran's Air Fright from Tehran to Bahrain had to make an emergency landing after the plane catching fire mid-flight. And to think we let the SOB's fly their own planes and enter NY-US airspace so Ahmad could attend UN meetings while hallucinating.

Let'em develop a nuke or two....

Mornin folks, lookin to be another great day in zee zones.

181 markie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:58:09am

re: #24 DesertSage

re: #17 Dublin(CA)Dude

There are turkeys in San Francisco?

They run San Fransico.

182 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:58:32am

Howdy Carl - how about that samaH Navy...

183 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:59:55am

Can a tired night time lizard say hello?

184 markie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:00:05am

re: #173 WrathofG-d

That looked disturbingly like R O'D....brrrrrrr

185 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:05:01am

So its still 2am?

186 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:05:45am

... til Dead Thread

187 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:05:53am

4 am

188 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:06:44am

re: #185 RTLM

4:06 edt

189 markie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:09:21am

It's exactly 7:35. Somewhere.

190 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:10:38am

re: #183 Resistance Girl

Can a tired night time lizard say hello?

Yep - (waves)

191 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:12:21am

Hiya litttleoldlady :)

Could I have a short stack with banana - please

192 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:15:17am

re: #190 RTLM

Don't even need a fruit cup here...night crew saying a last hello the morning gang.

193 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:16:01am

RTLM! :-)

I'm cooking as fast as I can!

/seem to have lost my assistant...

Resistance Girl! :-)

194 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:19:34am

re: #193 littleoldlady

Indeed ;)

195 RTLM  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:24:07am

Here's a Supersized IED. (not graphic)

196 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:25:01am

re: #193 littleoldlady

RTLM! :-)

I'm cooking as fast as I can!

/seem to have lost my assistant...

Resistance Girl! :-)


Black coffee is good enough for me AND I brought my own. :)

197 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:26:22am

re: #196 Resistance Girl

You're drinking coffee and intend to go to sleep?

/how do you do that?

198 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:26:45am

Pulls a chair out (with an ottoman) and brings the lady a fruit cup to the small table I have set by her hand.

199 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:29:06am

re: #198 Resistance Girl

This is good. I intend to have a "needy" day. Starting off great!

:-)

200 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:30:56am

Two fruit cups and a brandy?

201 tuchja  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:32:34am
202 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:32:36am

morning Little Old LAdy

203 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:34:57am

Jewels! :-)

How've you been?

/busy, I bet! :-)

Resistance Girl,

Hold the brandy, please. I'm still in wake-me-up-with-coffee mode...

204 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:45:35am

Here's a real confidence building piece of news coming out of Londonstan, I understand Iran better now - MP

Newark Mp Patrick Mercer says he has learned a lot from a visit to Iran.

He travelled to the country - ostracised over its nuclear programme and alleged links to Iraqi rebels - on behalf of the Conservative Middle East Council.

The council wants to get an "objective view" of what is happening there.
[...]
"It's fairly clear a number of things we're doing in the west are seriously irritating the Iranians," said Mr Mercer.

I'm sure ya'll will enjoy the whole story.

re: #183 Resistance Girl

Can a tired night time lizard say hello?

Hello Resistance Girl .

205 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:46:55am

I like marinated fruit cups...that's why I'm on nights or early mornings.

Your best morning food coming up when you have an appetite.

Keep your feet up. I'll do the running.

206 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:48:47am

re: #205 Resistance Girl

You're too kind!

/I knew that someday, somehow I'd find the upside to being old.

;-)

207 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:51:56am

Foot rub, too?

Anyone who works as hard as you could use one. :)

208 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:53:43am

re: #204 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

'Morning, aboo! :-)

He went with an open mind...so his brains fell out.

"I went with pretty blinkered vision, and whilst I still am in no doubt there are elements who are jolly dodgy, I think I understand the problems a lot better."

...and obviously read all the Harry Potter books before he left.

209 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:54:21am

Heh, missing my mom and thought I'd offer a virtual foot rub.

Wishing I could give her one. :)

210 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:54:25am

re: #207 Resistance Girl

YOU'RE HIRED! :-)

211 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:55:16am

sorry....making dinner here

212 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:56:07am

No one...and I mean no one..

can pass on a good foot rub. :)

213 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:56:10am

Resistance Girl needs a Jewish mother?

How convenient for both of us that meannastyteenager leaves for college in less than 3 weeks!

/oy
//oy oy
///oy oy oy

..."I thought we agreed not to talk about our children."

214 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:59:07am

I'm all grown up, need no money and a minimal amount of attention.

Put a food and water bowl outside.

I'm almost a chea pet.

215 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:00:14am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup* is on the buffet ------------------------->
Help yourselves!

*loving made by Resistance Girl
/now go away while I enjoy my foot rub!

216 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:01:19am

re: #214 Resistance Girl

I'm all grown up, need no money and a minimal amount of attention.

Put a food and water bowl outside.

I'm almost a chea pet.

I already have a cat. I'm in pre-missing my daughter mode. You'll do just fine.

GREAT, in fact! :-)

217 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:01:45am

Here's a nice cool cloth for your forehead, too.

They all know where the food is.

Sit down. :)

218 0321  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:02:56am

Crap, I am drinking tonight maybe I should see everyone in the morning?

219 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:04:16am

re: #218 0321

Crap, I am drinking tonight maybe I should see everyone in the morning?

Here's a cool cloth for your forehead, too.

Don't tell my new mom I am having a drink too. Sssh.

220 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:05:29am

Kids.

/sigh

221 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:06:28am

I'm not driving anywhere. It's ok.

222 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:09:24am

"Everything in moderation."

/Cliches 'R Us

223 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:12:54am

Sitting in my kitchen and having a wee nip.

224 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:14:12am

Ah...the tolerance of Islam & those faithful adherents of the Religion of Body Pieces™ shines through: I have never come face to face with death like this: Taslima

'For half an hour death stared at me from close as I locked myself in a room and those men tried to break in and kill me....'
[...]
'I was wondering how they would kill me. Would it be with a knife or a gun! Or would they simply beat me to death.
225 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:15:18am

A "wee nip"? Oh boy! Do I get another Irish daughter?

/better and better!

226 0321  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:15:34am

re: #219 Resistance Girl

Don't tell my new mom I am having a drink too. Sssh.

I won't say anything.

227 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:18:52am

re: #225 littleoldlady

A "wee nip"? Oh boy! Do I get another Irish daughter?

/better and better!

Irish and Jew.

Scary.

228 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:19:25am

Lol - Good morning to you also. Slipped right-by your post, so how are the Flakes© this fine mornin? Might need a bowl, even three, to give the day a real kick-start. ;-)

229 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:20:35am

re: #226 0321

re: #219 Resistance Girl


Don't tell my new mom I am having a drink too. Sssh.

I won't say anything.


I won't tell anyone else about you, either.

230 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:23:28am

Is it safe? May I come in?

231 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:24:31am

re: #230 Fearless Fred

Is it safe? May I come in?

Your name is fearless. :)

232 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:24:35am

re: #230 Fearless Fred

Is it safe? May I come in?

Yes you fascist!

/kidding

233 0321  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:25:48am

re: #229 Resistance Girl

re: #226 0321

re: #219 Resistance Girl


Don't tell my new mom I am having a drink too. Sssh.


I won't say anything.


I won't tell anyone else about you, either.

Well as long as desertsage understands. I will be gone for about 18 months but take care of desertsage and RTLM, would you?

234 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:25:56am

re: #227 Resistance Girl

re: #225 littleoldlady


A "wee nip"? Oh boy! Do I get another Irish daughter?

/better and better!


Irish and Jew.

Scary.

Aha, so you know!

Drink all night - wake up riddled with guilt. ;-)

For aboo, and anyone else who needs them: Urinated Cranky Flakes™

/© Shiplord Kirel

235 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:26:15am

LGF...serving insomniacs around the globe.

236 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:26:50am

You guys kept me up wayy to late last night..it's all your fault..never mine.

/LLL thinking

237 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:27:10am

re: #233 0321

re: #229 Resistance Girl


re: #226 0321

re: #219 Resistance Girl

Don't tell my new mom I am having a drink too. Sssh.

I won't say anything.

I won't tell anyone else about you, either.

Well as long as desertsage understands. I will be gone for about 18 months but take care of desertsage and RTLM, would you?

How do I take care of them? Let me know...

238 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:27:39am

The racists and fascists are here! YAY!

239 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:28:36am

re: #231 Resistance Girl

re: #230 Fearless Fred

Is it safe? May I come in?

Your name is fearless. :)

Can we ... lol ... just play like we didn't see that then?

Hey -- you registered here at LGF on my birthday. What do you think that means?

Good morning.

240 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:29:07am

Moms with attitude...I love it. :)

241 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:31:14am

re: #239 Fearless Fred

I saw nothing. I remember nothing. Not even my registration date. :)

242 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:32:10am

re: #232 Highrise

re: #230 Fearless Fred

Is it safe? May I come in?

Yes you fascist!

/kidding

he he ... should I study my physics texts to review the concept?

Okay, sorry --- that's enough.

243 0321  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:32:41am
How do I take care of them? Let me know...

Desertsage give him a drink, tell him its on me 0321 he will understand. RTLM, I still don't know.

244 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:33:15am

re: #233 0321

Give an addy and if you're going to the sandbox I'll keep in touch with you and look in on anyone you want me to.

245 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:33:56am

re: #241 Resistance Girl

re: #239 Fearless Fred

I saw nothing. I remember nothing. Not even my registration date. :)

You were deep in your cups ... it was a wild party!

246 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:35:17am

/averts eyes.

Some things moms just don't want to know...

247 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:35:32am

re: #238 littleoldlady

stop it ... laughing so hard I can't deal properly w/ my fruit cup ...

248 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:36:38am

Can't give information here. My bad.

If I can get it somehow, I'll be more than happy to take care of anything for you. :)

249 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:38:27am

re: #247 Fearless Fred

re: #238 littleoldlady

stop it ... laughing so hard I can't deal properly w/ my fruit cup ...

Here's a napkin, Fred. Wipe it up.

Don't make mom upset again.

250 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:39:08am

re: #247 Fearless Fred

re: #238 littleoldlady

stop it ... laughing so hard I can't deal properly w/ my fruit cup ...

Well, I can't help it. Most of the people I hang around with are - like me - boring.

You guys have PANACHE!

251 Carridine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:39:17am

re: #212 Resistance Girl

No one...and I mean no one..
can pass on a good foot rub. :)

I don't know about that...
had a friendly girl-student in college who invited me over for chat and "a foot rub"...

...where, after pleasant chat and chamomile tea, she cheerfully and intensely began on my feet, quite pleasant, but halfway thru my second foot, she shuddered uncontrollably, broke into a sweat, slumped down...

...then looked at me with a strange, guilty face... and excused herself, to 'tidy up'...

/I'll pass on THESE

252 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:39:49am

You missed a spot. Right there.

253 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:40:48am

That was for Fred and the giant mess he made.

I didn't want to have to take care of it in the morning.

254 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:40:49am

(peeking in window before coming in)

Hello everyone!

One fruitcup, please.

/Wha...? No arguments?!?! I even wore my protective gear, just in case!

:D

255 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:42:18am

re: #251 Carridine

Was she epileptic? Or a foot fetish type?

257 jim in virginia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:46:21am

Morning all.
gettinby: You're ugly and your momma dresses you funny.
/do I need to?

258 Carridine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:46:35am

re: #255 Resistance Girl

I suspect the latter. Heh!

259 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:47:26am

re: #257 jim in virginia

I DO NOT DRESS FUNNY!

LOL

260 Carridine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:47:46am

re: #255 Resistance Girl

I know petit mal and grand mal seizures... hers was neither.

/but it WAS a good rub...

261 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:48:30am

re: #250 littleoldlady

re: #247 Fearless Fred

re: #238 littleoldlady

stop it ... laughing so hard I can't deal properly w/ my fruit cup ...

Well, I can't help it. Most of the people I hang around with are - like me - boring.

You guys have PANACHE!

Oh yes indeed ... I'm even wearing an ornamental ploome of feathers this good morning!

262 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:49:21am

re: #258 Carridine

That's not my scene, baby.

/Austin Powers

That made me laugh a little and cringe a little.

263 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:49:48am

re: #259 gettinby

re: #257 jim in virginia

I DO NOT DRESS FUNNY!

LOL

ooops .... removing ploome of feathers ...

264 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:50:27am

re: #257 jim in virginia

Morning all.
gettinby: You're ugly and your momma dresses you funny.
/do I need to?

I dressed myself 24 hours ago and I AM dressed funny.

So?

265 0321  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:50:51am

re: #248 Resistance Girl

Can't give information here. My bad.

If I can get it somehow, I'll be more than happy to take care of anything for you. :)

Just make sure you get Desertsage a drink on me one night. One of the only people who remembers me from way, way, way, back when (he is also a Marine). I have posted more tonight than I ever have, must be the drinks. Good night all.......

266 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:51:38am

re: #265 0321

Good night and STAY SAFE, 0321! :-)

267 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:51:50am

re: #265 0321

Does he have an address or email or something? Or she?

268 zuckerlilly  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:51:55am

Am I to late with this story?

Levy son hits back at ‘slurs’

By Barry Toberman

The son of Lord Levy has issued a spirited riposte to JC columnist Melanie Phillips, who last week accused him of being “dangerous” and “naive” for supporting engagement with

Hamas as part of a peace strategy.

In an exclusive article, Daniel Levy — a former adviser in the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office who has been tipped to advise Middle East envoy Tony Blair — makes a considered argument for his position.

He points out that, having lived abroad for 15 years, “the name Melanie Phillips is unfamiliar to me”, and that his response addresses “substance, rather than ugly personal slurs”.

He stresses that he and like-minded Israeli leaders are neither “Hamas enthusiasts nor sympathisers”, adding: “It is worth trying to reach an accommodation with mainstream Islamists, including Hamas and the Muslim Brothers, who are in their own struggle with al-Qaeda and reject the latter’s nihilism”.

For any arrangement to have broad legitimacy, he says, “Hamas should be brought inside the proverbial tent”.

269 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:52:52am

re: #254 gettinby

(peeking in window before coming in)

Hello everyone!

One fruitcup, please.

/Wha...? No arguments?!?! I even wore my protective gear, just in case!

:D

No trolls available today from rentatroll.com website. They send their condolences to LGF for letting us down. They did tell me they were upping their rates because they would have a hard time besting last nights episode.

Off to bed..have a good one :) .

270 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:53:47am

Did I just come up with a business venture? Rentatroll?

/nahhh

back to bed...

271 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:53:58am

re: #253 Resistance Girl

That was for Fred and the giant mess he made.

I didn't want to have to take care of it in the morning.

Now even my dog has had an elegant sufficiency.

272 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:55:16am

re: #252 Resistance Girl

You missed a spot. Right there.

hm ... thanks mom.

he

273 Highrise  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:55:18am

I had to look because I got all curious..they seriously have a rentatroll website.

[Link: www.rentatroll.com...]

I always think of these things last :( .

274 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:57:07am

re: #273 Highrise

Too funny!

275 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:57:40am

re: #272 Fearless Fred

re: #252 Resistance Girl


You missed a spot. Right there.

hm ... thanks mom.

he

Someone has to take care of these things and it doesn't always have to be me.

(See, I am a mom! But a nice one.)

276 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:58:12am

re: #265 0321

'nite

277 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:59:15am

Just when chores start, Fred disappears.

278 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:59:39am

OK..I'll stop. :)

279 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:59:41am

re: #270 Highrise

Did I just come up with a business venture? Rentatroll?

/nahhh

back to bed...

that's too funny!

280 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:01:14am

re: #277 Resistance Girl

Just when chores start, Fred disappears.

it is 0321 who is disappearing .... calm yourself.

281 Carridine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:01:15am
For any arrangement to have broad legitimacy, he says, “Hamas should be brought inside the proverbial tent”.

And, Mr Levy, if you think Hamas or the Muslim Brotherhood WANT to anything other than DESTROY & REPLACE your 'proverbial tent' with mullah-driven Shari'a Law, then you are naive, no matter how long you've lived overseas!

Melanie was right!

282 infidel4ever  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:02:25am

Good morning everyone!

Here something that gives a whole new meaning to: "flying while muslim" :

[Link: harryzzz.blogspot.com...]

283 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:02:54am

I was gonna have a Muslim free night.

Damn them and the camels they rode in on.

284 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:03:52am

re: #275 Resistance Girl

re: #272 Fearless Fred

re: #252 Resistance Girl


You missed a spot. Right there.


hm ... thanks mom.he

Someone has to take care of these things and it doesn't always have to be me.

(See, I am a mom! But a nice one.)

The sailors say "Brandy, you're a fine girl" (you're a fine girl)

285 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:04:38am

re: #284 Fearless Fred

What a good wife you would be...

286 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:04:48am

No parachute for you!

/no raisins, either.

287 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:06:33am

re: #286 littleoldlady

Me?

Gets ready to run into room and slam the door.

Heh..you said you were beginning to miss ms.teen drama mama :)

288 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:08:34am

Sorry! That was for re: #282 infidel4ever

289 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:09:09am

re: #288 littleoldlady

Keeping you real, Mom. :)

290 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:09:25am

Goodnight/morning Highrise and 0321.

Highrise - you could start a Renta2ndHandTroll business?

re: #263 Fearless Fred

No, no! I love ploomes. They go well with my Friday pajamas. ;)

Some good news...

Charges dropped against 2 Marines in Haditha case

291 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:12:26am

The clock says it's 3:15.

This is the insomniacs decision point.

Try to sleep (pointless) or stay up?

292 littleoldlady  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:13:47am

re: #289 Resistance Girl

Awake would be good, too. Also if you could send a little energy this way...

/sigh

Real.Life.Intrudes.

Good day, ALL!™

Any requests or complaints will be handled by my *new* daughter Resistance Girl.

BE NICE TO HER OR I'M COMING AFTER YOU!

293 infidel4ever  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:16:02am

re: #286 littleoldlady

No parachute for you!

/no raisins, either.

I don't think he'll need any fruitcup either! Hehehe.

I'll have some though. Thanks, littleoldlady!

294 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:16:22am

Good-day to you littleoldlady!

As always, thanks for the fruitcup.

/you take such good care of we lizards.

295 Resistance Girl  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:18:23am

Energy, good thoughts, your favorite song playing in the background and may your children be GOOD to you tomorrow, Lady. Blessings on you.

I'm going to try and sleep now.

Nite all.

296 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:19:54am

re: #282 infidel4ever

Good morning everyone!

Here something that gives a whole new meaning to: "flying while muslim" :

[Link: harryzzz.blogspot.com...]

He ... I "can't be that sad either".

297 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:22:55am

Is it just me who shudders with worry for them when these fine folks just do their job?

U.S.Border Patrol Agent Kills Man

A Border Patrol agent shot and killed a suspected smuggler at a fence that separates the U.S. and Mexico after the agent felt threatened by the man, authorities said Thursday.

That 'headline' was written poorly, imho.

And, of course, Mexico is complaining.

Mexico criticized what it described as an "excessive use of force" against immigrants and demanded an investigation.

298 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:23:04am

Now this is not only smart, it's brilliant in that it could also be the kick-off point in tearing-down this beast that's become our MSM:

Republicans will retain the White House in 2008 only if they copy conservative Nicolas Sarkozy's victory strategy in France — circumventing the traditional media, running as agents of bold change and cornering Democrats{ed: the MSM} as protectors of the status quo.

Gingrich to GOP: Follow France - I wish he/the editors would have been a tad-bit clearer. The thought of following Fwance is absolutely terrifying..to say nothing of its being suicidal.

Later all.

299 infidel4ever  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:24:36am

re: #296 Fearless Fred

Another one bites the dust...

300 zuckerlilly  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:25:33am

Karl Rove, neo-cons, Powell.....

Book Reveals Details of Iran’s Diplomatic Outreach to Israel

In “Treacherous Alliance,” Trita Parsi, an adjunct professor at John Hopkins University and president of the National Iranian American Council, contends that shortly after Iran proposed a “grand bargain” to the United States four years ago, Tehran made a similar offer to Israel during an academic meeting in Athens.

The terms of Iran’s offer to the United States — which included stabilizing Iraq, curbing support for Hezbollah and Hamas, and addressing concerns over its nuclear program, in exchange for an end to sanctions against Iran and the disbanding of an anti-Iranian militant group — have been known for some time. But as Washington and Tehran now hold official talks for the first time in more than a quarter-century, the book’s revelation of alleged Iranian outreach to Israel opens a revealing window on the last serious attempt at diplomatic reconciliation with the Islamic Republic.

During a May 2003 conference in Athens attended by several prominent Israeli analysts and ex-officials, Mohsen Rezai, a former commander of Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, presented what Parsi describes as a bold strategic shift to a group of Israelis. Rezai’s proposal at the conference, which is organized annually by the Greek Foreign Ministry and the University of California, Los Angeles, entailed a more moderate Iranian stance on the Palestinian issue in exchange for Israel dropping its opposition to rapprochement between Washington and Tehran.

Parsi quotes an anonymous senior Israeli analyst as saying that the Iranian message had been consistently relayed to Israelis at the time, and as such appeared to reflect official policy. Parsi told the Forward that the analyst was Zeev Schiff, the recently deceased senior military correspondent for the Israeli daily Ha’aretz.

Parsi’s version of events, however, was disputed by a senior Israeli who attended the session but refused to be identified in keeping with the meeting’s off-the-record protocol. The Israeli stressed that Rezai’s pitch focused only on finding a modus vivendi on Iraq with the United States and did not touch upon the Israeli-Palestinian issue.

(...)

301 anat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:27:16am

Meanwhile,

The mayor of Brussels this morning rejected an application for a peaceful demonstration in Brussels, organized by a group called Stop Islamisation Of Europe (SIOE), and symbolically scheduled for 9/11.

The mayor gave his reason as security, despite the fact that the Brussels police had already given their OK. The mayor is a socialist, and his constituency depends much on Brussels Muslims. See the site of the Danish branch of SIOE, with further links to sister groups in England, Germany, Italy, France and others.

302 Fearless Fred  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:30:25am

re: #293 infidel4ever

re: #286 littleoldlady

No parachute for you!

/no raisins, either.

I don't think he'll need any fruitcup either! Hehehe.

I'll have some though. Thanks, littleoldlady!

But who is "he"? .... I'm mixed up.

303 ZionistYoungster  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:39:42am

Good afternoon lizardim!

I asked about hosting for my presentation. I managed to make do with a Geocities account, which unfortunately is limited to 4 megs per hour (it's unavailable right now because I exceeded my bandwidth by downloading my files as a test). TANSTAAFL.

The presentation, "Anti-Zionism is a form of anti-Semitism", is there in three formats, for a total of over 6 MB, so you won't be able to download them all. I recommend the PDF, because it's the smallest and failsafe, though without the transition effects.

Save this link for later, when the site is available again:

[Link: www.geocities.com...]

304 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:43:03am

Shiite Pilgrims Mark Saint's Day

BAGHDAD - Tens of thousands of Shiite pilgrims converged on a golden-domed shrine in northern Baghdad, some beating their heads and chests with their hands and others dancing in a circle to honor an eighth century saint known for his ability to hide his anger.

(bolding is mine)

Now why does this make me laugh and cry at the same time!?!

305 ZionistYoungster  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:50:54am

re: #304 gettinby

This is on the same vein as, "Stop calling Islam a violent religion or we'll kill you!" There is no one who, having acquired the habit of reading the news from the Muslim world, can end up with his irony meter intact.

306 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:57:07am

re: #305 ZionistYoungster

irony meter

Should probably buy several to have as backups, because mine keep melting down everytime I read or see things like this.

/plus more headache medicine.

307 gettinby  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:58:24am

Off to work.

Great day to all.

308 jim in virginia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:58:32am

The Baghdad Fabulist
Krauthammer does lit crit on Beauchamp and TNR

the New Republic seems not to have understood how the Kuwait "detail" undermines everything. After all, what made the purported story interesting enough to publish? Why did the New Republic run it?
Because it fits perfectly into the most virulent narrative of the antiwar left.
We already knew from all of America's armed conflicts what war can make men do. The only thing we learn from Scott Thomas Beauchamp is what literary ambition can make men say.
309 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:05:34am
310 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:23:18am
the lonesome yell of the coyote

I found some of their den's.

311 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:26:04am
ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.
What kind of a sick bastard would write such a thing?

A bastard so sick of how splintered we are politically - thanks mainly to our ineptitude in Iraq - that we have forgotten who the enemy is.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their hideous sins, including blowing up women and children.

Iraq has fractured the U.S. into jigsaw pieces of competing interests that encourage our enemies. We are deeply divided and division is weakness.

Most Americans today believe Iraq was a mistake. Why?

Not because Americans are "anti-war."

Americans have turned their backs because the war has dragged on too long and we don't have the patience for a long slog. We've been in Iraq for four years, but to some it seems like a century. In contrast, Britain just pulled its soldiers out of Northern Ireland where they had been, often being shot at, almost 40 years.

That's not the American way.

[Link: www.philly.com...]

312 JohnConnor  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:27:03am

#301 anat

Thanks for posting about the 9/11 rally banned by Brussels' own Red Ken-type socialist mayor. 20,000 concerned citizens from across the EU were expected to protest the Islamisation of Europe, and the rally's suppression (because it might offend muslims and make them violent!) dramatically proves the seriousness of the problem.

This decision has enormous implications for free speech issues in Europe and the counterjihad movement in particular. Future historians may look back at this as a turning point: when you deny people the right to peaceful protest you inevitably put them on the road to more direct confrontation.

I can't believe that Charles has been ignoring this important story. Fortunately other bloggers like Baron Bodissey at Gates of Vienna -
[Link: www.gatesofvienna.blogspot.com...] - are on the case.

313 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:29:04am

re: #311 storagemanager

Mornin' All

I saw that this morning and was wondering if any Lizards had commented on it. It's a sort of weird piece, and I'm not sure I agree with a good number of his generalizations, but I was curious what people made of it --

What did you think?

314 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:32:10am

re: #313 lucius septimius

re: #311 storagemanager

Mornin' All

I saw that this morning and was wondering if any Lizards had commented on it. It's a sort of weird piece, and I'm not sure I agree with a good number of his generalizations, but I was curious what people made of it --

What did you think?

He is wrong....when they hit us again....it will be big...no time to unite....we wasted that time.

315 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:34:57am
Visiting North Korean Foreign Trade Minister Rim Kyo'ng conferred on Thursday with First Vice-President Parviz Davoudi on expansion of mutual relations and on major global developments.


According to the Public Relations Department and Press Bureau of the Presidential Office, at the meeting Davoudi said volume of trade exchange between the two countries could play a key role in promoting bilateral ties.

Commerce, trade, industry, technological know-how, scientific activities and implementation of joint projects are among suitable grounds for broadening mutual ties, he said.

The oppressed nations would someday get rid of tyrannical powers, he said, adding that the Iranian nation and its government by adopting logical stands and through resistance have brought the global arrogance to its knees.

The North Korean minister, for his part, highlighted Iran's development and success in various fields under leadership of its leader and its president and said North Korea is determined to consolidate ties with Iran.

There are ample untapped grounds for expansion of mutual ties and North Korea is to take advantage of Iran's valuable experiences and achievements in various sectors, he said.


I guess President Bush knew of what he spoke. [Link: www2.irna.com...]

316 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:36:57am

re: #314 storagemanager

Agreed --

I found his comment that "Bush I did everything right, Bush II did everything wrong" absurd. Daddy left Saddam in power -- obviously the author thought the subsequent purges and massacres were "right."

Quiet around here this morning ... how are you feeling?

317 born again republican  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:38:27am
America likes wars shorter than the World Series.
Americans are impatient.

This author proves his own point. He is impatient with the war Americans are having with each other right now and is willing to do have something drastic happen to quickly change this war and shorten it.

318 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:38:27am

re: #268 zuckerlilly

Am I to late with this story?

Levy son hits back at ‘slurs’

By Barry Toberman

The
son of Lord Levy has issued a spirited riposte to JC columnist Melanie
Phillips, who last week accused him of being “dangerous” and “naive”
for supporting engagement with

Hamas as part of a peace strategy.

In
an exclusive article, Daniel Levy — a former adviser in the Israeli
Prime Minister’s Office who has been tipped to advise Middle East envoy
Tony Blair — makes a considered argument for his position.

He
points out that, having lived abroad for 15 years, “the name Melanie
Phillips is unfamiliar to me”, and that his response addresses
“substance, rather than ugly personal slurs”.

He stresses that he
and like-minded Israeli leaders are neither “Hamas enthusiasts nor
sympathisers”, adding: “It is worth trying to reach an accommodation
with mainstream Islamists, including Hamas and the Muslim Brothers, who
are in their own struggle with al-Qaeda and reject the latter’s
nihilism”.

For any arrangement to have broad legitimacy, he says, “Hamas should be brought inside the proverbial tent”.

I never realized he was Lord Levy's son.

Daniel Levy.

319 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:38:29am

re: #316 lucius septimius

re: #314 storagemanager

Agreed --

I found his comment that "Bush I did everything right, Bush II did everything wrong" absurd. Daddy left Saddam in power -- obviously the author thought the subsequent purges and massacres were "right."

Quiet around here this morning ... how are you feeling?

I agree with you. I think Bush I was deeper in bed with the oil people than II. I know alot of people at that time (including myself) who were pissed off we didn't proceed further with the war.

320 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:42:31am

re: #316 lucius septimius

Better....The Doc called....COPD is getting bad....but no cancer....happy about that.

321 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:45:44am
Philippines: 'Over 50 killed' in clashes between military and Islamic militants

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

322 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:46:36am

re: #315 storagemanager

Good morning, as usual you're chock-full-of links today...

I'm guessing the Iranians aren't importing kimchi from North Korea. IT is well known that the Iranians got their missile technology from NoKo, & it is possible they would buy either plutonium or enriched uranium from them too. So while the West thinks they're still a couple years from finishing the bomb... they take the short cut and have a couple ready next month. Far fetched? Maybe... but possible and given the character of the people involved, probable.

323 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:32am
In Jewish folklore, there is a city called Chelm, where the "Wise Men" who run the town are extremely stupid and illogical. Whatever would make sense, they do the exact opposite.

It appears that Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak's ancestors hail from the mythical city and descended from "The Wise Men of Chelm." His logic sounds a lot like John Kerry's "I voted for it before I voted against it
He's saying that Israel must have a missile defense system in place to protect is from Palestinian rocket fire before Israel can give away to its enemies the strategically important so-called "West Bank." That's like saying, "We need chemotherapy on our stomach first to prepare for the cancer we'll get tomorrow by cutting off our legs." It simply makes no sense. He's basically admitting that he knows that the rocket fire Israel is getting from Gaza will continue and will probably happen from the "peaceful," favored Fatah terrorists in the "West Bank," too.

So, to solve the problem, first let's develop a system to shoot down the rockets, then let's give them the base from which to shoot the rockets at us, then let's try to shoot the rockets down and hope we succeed in saving innocent lives targeted by terrorists. It's absurd

[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]

324 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:41am

re: #305 ZionistYoungster

re: #304 gettinby

This is on the same vein as, "Stop calling Islam a violent religion or we'll kill you!" There is no one who, having acquired the habit of reading the news from the Muslim world, can end up with his irony meter intact.

"Stop calling Jews comedians or we'll make you die laughing!"

BTW, wasn't the irony meter a Jewish invention?

325 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:56am
326 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:47:56am

Good morning, Lizards.

327 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:48:58am

re: #319 baconeatingkaffir

Exactly -- most of the people I talk to who make the "Bush I was right" case are either ignorant or moonbatish. Bring up the cash for suicide bombers, massacres of Shiites, attacks on the Kurds, etc. and you get the deer in the headlights look.

As for the war thing, this idea that wars are supposed to be short is a relatively recent, and erroneous view.

Textbook: The Civil War lasted four years.
Reality: No, you had about three years of shooting before 1861 in Kansas, Nebraska, Missouri, and a few other places, and then a decade of Reconstruction (military occupation) afterwards.

Textbook: World War I ended on the Eleventh hour of the Eleventh day of the Eleventh month in 1918.
Reality: Tell that to the Poles, the Greeks, the Turks, the Armenians, the Kurds, the Ukrainians, the Hungarians and everyone else east of the Weser. Eastern Europe, the Balkans and Anatolia were as effed as you can get until at least 1923.

Textbook: World War II began in 1939.
Reality: Only if you forget the Japanese invasion of Manchuria in 1931. Plus there's a good argument that the Chinese Revolution and the Korean War should be considered part of the conflict in Asia. So shooting continues unabated until 1953, just in time for trouble to start in Indo China, etc.

Reality tells us that wars are not "short" and "decisive" but essentially endemic and largely continuous. What we now call "wars" are what historians writing about events centuries ago would call "campaigns."

328 Thanos  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:26am

re: #41 MandyManners

re: #32 Dublin(CA)Dude

What about the MOOSE at Eielson AFB?


Did someone say Moose?

329 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:49:49am

re: #320 storagemanager

Glad to hear about the "no," but unsure what the COPD is ..

330 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:50:15am

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning, gotc!

331 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:50:17am

re: #325 MandyManners

Wake-up!

Love this part!

332 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:50:31am

re: #327 lucius septimius

Do you think that sometime in the future the first and second world wars will be somehow run together my the "historians of tomorrow". My favorite was always "The civil war was about slavery". ahahaha.

333 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:50:48am

re: #325 MandyManners

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning ladies! And how are both of you this fine hot sweaty steamy morning. Going up to 100 here again today.

334 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:51:19am

re: #322 Kenneth


TEHRAN -- Iran and North Korea Wednesday agreed to step up cooperation in the energy sector, as the reclusive Asian state's trade minister paid a visit to the fellow arch-foe of the US.

"Both nations can cooperate in the fields of exploration, production, and other fields of the energy sector," Iranian oil minister Kazem Vaziri Hamaneh said after the meeting with North Korean foreign trade minister Rim Kyong Man.

The oil ministry's Shana news agency said the North Korean minister said Pyongyang wanted an expansion of cooperation in energy and also to swap refined petrol with crude oil from OPEC's number two producer.



[Link: www.metimes.com...]

335 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:51:53am

We've had a shortage of rain. So, now we have no water until the evening. I'm glad I'm not in Ankara. Peple there are having to truck water in. Istanbul has 90 days of water left. I really hope we get more rain soon.

336 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:52:04am

re: #328 Thanos

Oh, dear me. That poor moose!

337 HR Guy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:52:35am

re: #331 luzbone

Hey, Luzbone, hope you're doing better today! Good to see you. :)

338 infidel4ever  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:52:38am

Re-posted from an earlier, now dead, thread

According to a recent poll:

19% of the Dutch want the Koran banned, nearly 75% is against it.
31% thinks that Wilders should not have written his letter (no mention of the other 69%)
29% thinks Wilders should be prosecuted for writing the letter (no mention of the other 71%)
68% thinks there is not enough open discussion about Islam in this country
51% sees Islam as a threat, 13 % sees Islam as an enrichment for our culture

Meanwhile the leader of the leftist party PvdA has said he does not think the way his party member Ehsan Jami (the one who was beaten up) points out the wrongs within Islam is effective. "The PvdA will not support a committee that thinks it can reach its goal by insulting and hurting people because of their religion".

In other words, they are dropping Jami like a hot potato so as not to lose their Muslim voter base. I wonder if he will leave the party and where he will go. Wilders' party maybe?

Introduction of hate crime laws?

In another development the CDA (Christian-Democrats) and the PvdA (Socialist Party) want harsher punishments to stop crimes against gays, ostensibly to combat discrimination. Sound familiar? Yes, they are trying to create laws against HATE CRIMES! Such a noble goal! And we all know who will take these laws and use them for their own ends, don't we?

Just imagine. Start with beating up gays and end up by getting your socialist buddies and the useful idiots in this country to make laws that will enable Muslims to achieve super-protected status.

339 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:53:36am

re: #338 infidel4ever


Yeah, but how many of the voters had toked before taking the poll? Gotta love a country where the crime rate is so low because almost everything is legal. :)

340 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:53:56am

re: #329 lucius septimius

Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) is a term referring to two lung diseases, chronic bronchitis and emphysema, that are characterized by obstruction to airflow that interferes with normal breathing. Both of these conditions frequently co-exist, hence physicians prefer the term COPD. It does not include other obstructive diseases such as asthma.

[Link: www.lungusa.org...]

341 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:54:37am

re: #331 luzbone

Hugh Laurie rocks!

342 HR Guy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:12am

re: #333 lucius septimius

re: #325 MandyManners

re: #326 goddessoftheclassroom

Good morning ladies! And how are both of you this fine hot sweaty steamy morning. Going up to 100 here again today.

In addition to possibly being kin, we must live within spittin' distance of each other. We hit 102 here yesterday...looking at about the same today. I had a free round of golf on tap for yesterday up at the Walker Course at Clemson. I never turn down free golf!

343 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:38am

Wesley Morgan is a young college student from Princeton who has embedded with a Cavalry unit in Iraq to write for the Daily Princetonian. He is a feature "guest blogger" at THe 4th Rail.

Go now and read his dispatch. It's detailed, accurate and balanced. He describes well the successes and challenges. Wow. Somebody should tell the MSM how to do that!

Task Force Warhorse

344 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:55:57am

re: #333 lucius septimius

I'm out of the bed.

345 Carl in Jerusalem  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:57:21am
346 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:19am

re: #337 HR Guy

Thanks. kinda sorta better.

347 goddessoftheclassroom  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:58:50am

re: #333 lucius septimius

Yuck! (not you, the weather you describe!)

We've had lots of rain for the past few days with associated mugginess, but no really high temperatures.

storage manager

The article you cite refers to Chelm. I'm the coach for my school's forensics (public speaking, not dissecting bodies) team. A few years ago, one of my students competed with one of the Chelm stories.

Here's the REALLY cool thing: students in my District are proud to display their faith, and they show respect to those of other or even no faith. Before a competition, the kids like to get into a circle, hold hands, and pray before competitions (I have NOTHING to do with this; I join the cirlce after it's organized; the kids who don't want to join in can sit at the table). Anyway, each student is welcome to speak. The one who did the Chelm story was Jewish, and he offered a prayer in Hebrew. One of the students was Hindu; she offered a prayer in her faith.

My students showed more real tolerance and mututal respect than most moonbats I've encountered.

348 WeaselZipper  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:59:54am
349 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:59:57am

re: #332 baconeatingkaffir

re: #327 lucius septimius

Do you think that sometime in the future the first and second world wars will be somehow run together my the "historians of tomorrow". My favorite was always "The civil war was about slavery". ahahaha.

There are already a couple of historians who've been pushing to put WWI and WWII together as "The Thirty Years' War of the Twentieth Century." Makes a great deal of sense.

Good book on the German side of the equation is Fritz Fischer's Germany's Aims in the First World War -- the original German title was better "Griff nach der Weltmacht." Basically argued that Hitler's war aims (leaving aside the Jewish question) were essentially a warmed-over (and not as well thought through) version of the German plan in the first world war. Needless to say, the book pissed a lot of people off, especially because it implied that the EU was basically the same idea.

There are also those (myself among them) who would see the American Civil War, the Mexican War, the Revolution of 1848, the Italian Wars of Unification (1859-73), and the German Wars of Unification (1866-72), as part of a larger phenomenon of "Wars of National Unification." There are interesting interconnections between the various conflicts. The US Congress actually passed a resolution in support of the Hungarian secession from the Austrian Empire in 1849/50, and there were speeches calling for armed intervention.


Oops ... I'm lecturing again. This is what happens when you're out of the classroom too long.

350 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:00:34am

re: #341 MandyManners

re: #331 luzbone

Hugh Laurie rocks!

He is an awesome talent.

351 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:00:52am

Animal Planet has this fascinating show. It's just a camera recording dawn/early morning on a farm. Amazing.

Fox has the story I linked to last night about the dipshit suing that florist for sending the bill of a husband's flowers to his mistress. Guess what, jerkwad? Your wife was gonna' divorce you anyway. She had your cellphone information.

352 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:12am

re: #349 lucius septimius

I heard that. When do you think people will say that the war on terrorism began? 1948 with the founding of Israel? 1979 with the Iranian revolution?

353 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:36am

re: #336 MandyManners

At least the hung one survived, but I sure wouldn't want to have been one of the guys cutting it down.

354 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:38am

re: #350 luzbone

I really miss Bertie.

355 HR Guy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:01:44am

re: #311 storagemanager

ONE MONTH from The Anniversary, I'm thinking another 9/11 would help America.
What kind of a sick bastard would write such a thing?
A bastard so sick of how splintered we are politically - thanks mainly to our ineptitude in Iraq - that we have forgotten who the enemy is.

It is not Bush and it is not Hillary and it is not Daily Kos or Bill O'Reilly or Giuliani or Barack. It is global terrorists who use Islam to justify their
.
.
.
That's not the American way.


[Link: www.philly.com...]

I don't have time to read the article, so I am commenting only on the excerpt.

Speculation like this is easy when it's only theory. After the fact it sounds utterly abhorrent. Consider someone saying "9/11 was really good for America".

Times of trial do bring people closer. Who wants to offer up his/her family so that the nation can come together?

356 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:02:13am

re: #348 WeaselZipper

I just copied that link to paste here...
ya beat me again ya wascally Weasel.

357 whatfur  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:02:47am

A bit slow...

but as I started to read... there was mention of a "weenie roast" and it
reminded me of what may be a common quip although it was not common to me when I saw in used in a Mike Adams article...

it went something like...so and so was "as nervous as a blind lesbian at
a weenie roast".

A howlin good morning. (and I prefer the howl of a couple dozen sled dogs)

358 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:13am

Who half-Rogered the thread?

359 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:40am

Good Morning Lizards.

I keep getting asked about what is going on in the financial markets lately and what does this all mean. I tried several times yesterday to post about this but I think the hamsters were acting up so it never went through. As briefly as I can make it, this is the situation:

Over the previous last several years, some lending institutions and mortgage comapnies made a lot of questionable loans to shaky borrowers while interest rates were very low. These companies would then either resell the loans to other investors, or package them up and sell shares in them to the public. All that seemed well and good, until interest rates started creeping up. Now, many of those loans are failing. A large mortgage company declared bankruptcy last week as a result.

So now, there is a move in the market for people to dump their holdings in these types of investments. The fly in the ointment is these investment companies are not sure what the underlying loans and morgages are worth anymore, so they do not know at the moment how to price the shares. This is the equivalent of a "run" on the bank going on in the investment market. That is what they mean when they say there is no liquidity in that market, everyone wants to sell, no one wants to buy becasue they are not sure what the underlying assets are worth at the moment.

That leads to the situation where some investment companies are putting holds on redemption orders so they can have time to figure out what their assets are worth so they can recalculate the value of their shares.

The fact that there are holds on redemptions are leading to some further concern and resulting volatility in the market. You have to understand though, this hold on redemption thing is nothing new, your local bank can do the same thing with any deposit you have that is not in a "demand deposit" account. Also, the financial market intentionally puts these "circuit breakers" in place to stop panic selling from happening. The last thing you need right now is for some computer program to kick in and start dumping stocks.

Here is my take:

1. Look for more volatility in the market over the next few days as people take time to figure out what is going on. Some will panic and sell out of fear. If you are going to sell, make sure you are doing it for a sound buiness reason and not just out of panic. I think the stock market will drop some more as some people head for the sidelines and take their money off the table. But they have to put their money somewhere, and therin lies a profit opportunity. You can do all kinds of things with options right now to protect yourself or even make a nice profit.

2. Unless you had your money in these high risk "subprime" loan investment funds (in which case, you should have known what you were getting into), you probably don't have much to worry about in the long run. Some of those folks in the mortgage investement funds will lose their investments, and I see the market bouncing around for a little while in response.

3. Beware of rumors floating around today and over the weekend of various companies going bankrupt or the Fed doing some emergency move to bail out the market. I guarantee you will hear these rumors going around "the Street".Most of those stories will be false, floated by people trying to manipulate the market to make a short sell position they took work out. I've been hearing all kinds of rumors since I woke up at 4 am central time. I won't repeat the specifics, but suffice it to say they are designed to panic you.

Remember the scene in It's A wonderful Life where the town panics and a scared crowd fills the room at the Bailey Savings and Loan wanting all their money out at once? Well, that's sort of what is going on now. And George Bailey is saying to keep your head and don't panic

360 infidel4ever  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:40am

re: #339 baconeatingkaffir

:))

361 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:03:51am

STORAGE

what happened?

362 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:04:47am

re: #352 baconeatingkaffir

When Issac got the blessing that Ishmael wanted.

363 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:05:25am

re: #362 BabbaZee

Even before that.
When Sarah pimped Hagar to Abraham out of unbelief and fear.

364 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:12am

re: #352 baconeatingkaffir

1936 when the Mufti and his posse decided to start popping caps and doing the whole gangsta thing.

Hannah Arendt wrote a whole series of essays (never translated into English, though still available in German -- originally written for a German-language paper for refugees in the US) that show the continuity between the prewar and post war struggle against the Arabs, both for Jews and the Western Powers. She also divined the Arabs goals as the recreation of the Caliphate, albeit at that time without the religious overtones.

365 HR Guy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:17am

re: #346 luzbone

Glad to hear. I'll keep up my part on your behalf.

Saw your web site & tried to leave you a comment, something less public.

Cya

366 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:22am

re: #362 BabbaZee

Forgot about that one Babba. Unfortunately, alot of people neglect ancient history. Heck, I had girls in my US history class (when I was in college 11 years ago) asking me if the second world war or vietnam came first. Gotta love blonde sorority girls.

367 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:06:44am

re: #320 storagemanager


but no cancer

I am so glad to hear that.

368 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:07:17am

re: #359 3 wood

China is the wild card.

369 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:07:48am

re: #354 MandyManners

Agreed -- some of my students who watch "House" had never seen Jeeves and Wooster. I turned them on to it and they started having "Jeeves and Wooster" parties. Very different part, but damn if Hugh Laurie is not a brilliant actor. And he plays all the piano parts himself!

370 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:07:49am

re: #353 lucius septimius

That must've been dangerous.

371 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:08am

re: #361 BabbaZee
COPD is getting bad...but no cancer....I am happy with the call.

372 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:34am

re: #371 storagemanager

Does that mean medicinal marijuana prescriptions?

373 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:36am

re: #320 storagemanager

PTL
and
PTA

374 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:08:37am

re: #366 baconeatingkaffir

re: #362 BabbaZee

Forgot about that one Babba. Unfortunately, alot of people neglect ancient history. Heck, I had girls in my US history class (when I was in college 11 years ago) asking me if the second world war or vietnam came first. Gotta love blonde sorority girls.

They have their uses.

375 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:09:03am

re: #374 lucius septimius

re: #366 baconeatingkaffir


re: #362 BabbaZee

Forgot about that one Babba. Unfortunately, alot of people neglect ancient history. Heck, I had girls in my US history class (when I was in college 11 years ago) asking me if the second world war or vietnam came first. Gotta love blonde sorority girls.


They have their uses.

True. I did love the beer bongs now and then.

376 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:09:15am

re: #371 storagemanager

I saw 320 (finally )
I'm a bit slow today

Thank GOD, good news.
Mazel Tov.

377 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:09:34am

re: #372 baconeatingkaffir

re: #371 storagemanager

Does that mean medicinal marijuana prescriptions?


Not with my lungs....lol

378 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:09:54am

re: #369 lucius septimius

Hugh's aged pretty well.

379 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:11:06am

re: #376 BabbaZee

re: #371 storagemanager

I saw 320 (finally )
I'm a bit slow today

Thank GOD, good news.
Mazel Tov.


Thank you.

380 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:11:10am

That was weird -- I hit "new comments" and my screen went black and nothing happened.

381 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:12:07am

re: #377 storagemanager

Forgot about that one. Sorry! I need to stop smoking again but at this stage i'm not ready for it. I stopped for like 5 years before coming here. It's really a smoker's paradise. There are few no smoking areas here and smokes are cheap (less than $3 a pack .. even cheaper if you buy turkish smokes). I was smoking a pack of marlboro red a day before I quit the first time. Now, I'm at a pack or two of Davidoff lights a week. My wife is a heaver smoker than I. That makes it more difficult.

382 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:12:13am

re: #366 baconeatingkaffir

Yea I know all about it.
Farking people cant even remember 2001.
So called "educated" "sophisticated" people. People that are convinced they are SO SMART
much smarter than us dontcha know
[spit]
But it does not change the facts on the ground.

I don't argue with these people anymore.
You wanna be blind, be blind.
Free will is a bitch, MFers.

383 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:12:33am

re: #365 HR Guy

re: #346 luzbone

Glad to hear. I'll keep up my part on your behalf.

Saw your web site & tried to leave you a comment, something less public.

Cya

Nobody knows who you are if you post.

I am thinking that I am going to have to invent dozens of socklike puppets to get any action in the comments.

Hey! It's August. For the rest of August it's half price to leave a comment!

Save money!

384 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:13:59am

re: #382 BabbaZee

re: #366 baconeatingkaffir

Yea I know all about it.
Farking people cant even remember 2001.
So called "educated" "sophisticated" people. People that are convinced they are SO SMART
much smarter than us dontcha know
[spit]
But it does not change the facts on the ground.

I don't argue with these people anymore.
You wanna be blind, be blind.
Free will is a bitch, MFers.


Like.. did you realize Paul Mccartney was in a band before he went solo? It's like so cool! My favorite in college was "I didn't know there used to be two germanies!" No wonder why the moonbat population is so big. Stupid people abound!
As an ESL teacher, I can definitely tell you that
"STUPIDITY IS UNCOUNTABLE"! hehehe.

385 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:14:36am

Babbazee, do you think that depression is kind of like "Rage vs. Woe"?

386 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:15am
Al Qaeda Chatter of Radioactive Attacks in US
DEBKAfile
The threat was picked up by DEBKAfile's monitors from a rush of electronic chatter on al Qaeda sites Thursday, Aug. 8. The al Qaeda communications accuse the Americans of the grave error of failing to take seriously the videotape released by the American al Qaeda spokesman Adam Gaddahn last week. "They will soon realize their mistake when American cities are hit by quality operations," said one message. Another said the attacks would be carried out "by means of trucks loaded with radio-active material against America's biggest city and financial nerve center." A third message mentioned New York, Los Angeles and Miami as targets. It drew the answer: "The attack, with Allah's help, will cause an economic meltdown, many dead, and a financial crisis on a scale that compels the United States to pull its military forces out of many parts of the world, including Iraq, for lack of any other way of cutting down costs." There is also a message which speaks obliquely of the approaching attacks easing the heavy pressure America exerts on countries like Japan, Cuba and Venezuela. DEBKAfile's counter-terror sources and monitors say there is no way of gauging for sure how serious these threats are, how real, or whether they are part of a war of nerves to give the Gaddahn tape extra mileage. But it is important to note that the exchange of messages took place over al Qaeda's internal Internet sites and that they contained the threat of radioactive terror and specific American cities for the first time after a long silence on these subjects.

[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]

387 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:18am

re: #383 luzbone

Po-jama people special
take one home with you
save a dollar today!

388 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:25am

re: #385 luzbone

Yeah, but luzbone who would be afraid of "Islamic Woe Boy" ?

389 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:27am

Keep it in your pants, dipshit.

A Texas man is suing 1-800-Flowers for $1 million, saying the company is to blame for his pending divorce.

After Leroy Greer's wife filed for divorce in January 2006, he began seeing another woman and sent his new girlfriend a dozen long-stemmed roses. But a few months after the flowers were sent, Greer reconciled with his wife, and she moved back in to his Missouri City home, according to Greer's lawyer, Kennitra Foote.

That was, until his wife received a thank-you note from 1-800-Flowers.

Confused about the purchase, Bernice Greer called the company, and they faxed her the receipt.

"Just wanted to say that I love you and you mean the world to me!" read the greeting from Greer to his girlfriend, whose name and address were included in the receipt for more than $100 in roses.

Bernice Greer promptly moved out again, continued with the divorce and is now asking a court to give her more money because of her husband's now-documented infidelity, according to the lawyer.

Along the bottom of the fax, Greer's wife apparently added her own comment, according to a copy included in the suit. "Be a man!" it began. "If you got caught red handed then don't still lie. Your tmobile has her number so why still lie."

390 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:15:48am

re: #385 luzbone

ROTF

yes... as a matter of fact I do!

391 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:17:08am

re: #384 baconeatingkaffir

[deep sigh]

My people die from lack of knowledge.
~ Somewhere in Hosea, I think in 4

/too ornery to look it up a the moment

392 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:17:15am

re: #384 baconeatingkaffir

Like.. did you realize Paul Mccartney was in a band before he went solo? It's like so cool!

Yeah. Uh. Wings, right?

/end stupid

393 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:17:50am

There is nothing quite like being attacked by a dust-rag with legs, a/k/a a Yorkie. Gotta' run.

394 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:17:59am

re: #392 luzbone

Yeah, and John Lennon was a guy who had a dream and got shot.

395 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:18:00am

So I am going to have a 3 year old
and 1 year old all weekend
and I just quit smoking.

They better behave if they wanna see Monday.

lol

396 JammieWearingFool  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:19:10am

Muslim Gunman Shot Dead in Jerusalem

AFP goes out of their way to portray the Israelis as the bad guys.

Textbook case of shoddy, biased propaganda masquerading as journalism.

397 born again republican  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:19:35am

re: #394 baconeatingkaffir

Like John sang, life if what happens while you're busy making other plans.

398 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:19:44am

re: #368 storagemanager


China is the wild card.

How so? Not challenging, just curious as to your thoughts on this.

399 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:20:24am

re: #397 born again republican

Yeah.. but Yoko Ono is what happens when you've had one too many.

400 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:20:35am

re: #394 baconeatingkaffir

re: #392 luzbone

Yeah, and John Lennon was a guy who had a dream and got shot.

Right. By the CIA, right? Lennon was the Black Baptist Beatle I think.

401 ErislDysnomia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:21:58am

Making the headlines in the City of Brotherly Love

One woman's solution to Islamic polygamy - shoot the bastard

Is Islamic polygamy now legal in America, I ask?

Will this woman be subject to Sharia beheading?

Will CAIR claim she is just another victim of Islamophobia?

402 anat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:22:06am

re: #352 baconeatingkaffir

I don't know when the war ON Jihadi terrorism began, but the Jihad itself had begun in 1921, with the British appointment of Amin al-Husseini as Mufti of Jerusalem.

403 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:22:07am

re: #393 MandyManners

I call our pup four legs and teeth.

404 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:22:10am

re: #400 luzbone

re: #394 baconeatingkaffir


re: #392 luzbone

Yeah, and John Lennon was a guy who had a dream and got shot.


Right. By the CIA, right? Lennon was the Black Baptist Beatle I think.

Yeah. I loved that SNL skit with Eddie Murphy where he claims to be the "Fifth Beatle"

405 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:22:19am

#395 BabbaZee

Get a pile of rocks and keep an eye out for the squirrels.

day 3....grumble, grubmble, grumble....

406 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:23:15am

re: #405 BulgarWheat

When will all this death and woe END?

lol, I saw it, that cracked me up

407 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:24:08am

re: #395 BabbaZee

So I am going to have a 3 year old
and 1 year old all weekend
and I just quit smoking.

They better behave if they wanna see Monday

.

They will keep you going so much you won't have time to think about it.

408 ErislDysnomia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:24:18am

#401

Myra and Jereleigh Morton's 27-year marriage spiraled out of control this year after the former North Philadelphia handyman-turned-millionaire met a young Muslim woman from Morocco on the Internet and married her in concert with Muslim law that allows men to have multiple wives, Montgomery County prosecutors said yesterday

At one point, as the couple's relationship deteriorated, Jereleigh told his American wife, "If you don't like polygamy, get a divorce," according to his Moroccan bride, Zahra Toural.

Instead, Myra allegedly fired two .40-caliber bullets from her husband's Glock semiautomatic handgun into his head early Sunday morning on the eve of his scheduled trip to Morocco, where Toural waited to give Morton the son he yearned for. She was ovulating, investigators were told.

409 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:24:27am

re: #389 MandyManners

"Your tmobile has her number so why still lie."

D'oh!

410 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:24:50am

re: #398 3 wood

re: #368 storagemanager


China is the wild card.

How so? Not challenging, just curious as to your thoughts on this.


They have threated to unload their dollars and flood the market.

411 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:25:55am

re: #409 lucius septimius

re: #389 MandyManners


"Your tmobile has her number so why still lie."

D'oh!

Don't they have prepaid cell lines in the US? A few of my businessmen students have two lines. They claim one is for work and the other is personal. hehehe. Gotta love the Turkish male mentality.

412 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:26:55am

re: #400 luzbone

re: #394 baconeatingkaffir

re: #392 luzbone

Yeah, and John Lennon was a guy who had a dream and got shot.

Right. By the CIA, right? Lennon was the Black Baptist Beatle I think.

No, no no. The "Paul McCarthy" who's there now is the fake one, they guy who after the real Paul died had all the plastic surgery and then went insane and has been killing off all the others. He hasn't gotten Ringo yet because he knows that Ringo has ordered that the secret safe deposit box with the truth and the evidence will be opened if "Paul" kills him.

413 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:26:59am

#406 BabbaZee

death and woe indeed! Gallows humor is the only thing that I can handle right now.

DEATH TO THE INFIDEL SQUIRRELS!

414 storagemanager  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:27:26am
Judge orders Your Black Muslim Bakery to liquidate

U.S. bankruptcy Judge Edward Jellen said the bakery’s management problems are getting worse, not better, and that Chapter 7 liquidation was the best way for the bakery to repay the IRS, its mortgage company and other creditors.

[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com...]

415 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:27:38am

re: #408 ErislDysnomia

I was actually wondering about how polygamy works out in a society. I saw a picture of a Mormon fundamentalist family - husband, 5 wives, 29 children.

Doesn't polygamy create a shortage of women?

416 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:28:13am

re: #412 lucius septimius

Yeah, and John Lennon, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Elvis, and Bruce Lee had enough of fame, faked their death and living on a tropical island someplace!

417 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:28:15am
418 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:28:58am

"Your Black Muslim Bakery to liquidate"

Where the heck am I going to get my Seething Strudels now? How 'about the moslem moonbat muffins?

Guess I'll just have to go to Starbucks, eh?

419 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:29:21am

re: #407 3 wood

I'm not worried about thinking about it
I am worried that I am not my usual
placid, patient self

lol

420 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:29:29am

3 Wood

The mortgage company that you mentioned but did not name, American Home Mortgage, hasn't the first thing to do with the sub-prime market, as they don't/didn't make sub-prime loans.

Sub-prime in and of themselves are not the problem. The dollar amount of the sub-prime loans was. If the loan qualifier had received less money, for a smaller house, they at least had a shot at maintaining their payment schedule. This only applies if they were able to maintain their employment.

/used to have a 4.5% APR, 30 year fixed mortgage *sigh

421 Killian Bundy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:29:42am

re: #413 BulgarWheat

DEATH TO THE INFIDEL SQUIRRELS!

/or you could just send 'em flying

422 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:30:32am

re: #411 baconeatingkaffir

That is not a Turkish thing
I know a few men here who do that
Women too

all cheaters

423 BulgarWheat  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:31:07am

#421 Killian Bundy

Now that was funny! Karl the Flying Squirrel! Excellent!

424 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:32:02am

re: #412 lucius septimius

I buried Paul

425 baconeatingkaffir  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:32:05am

re: #422 BabbaZee

re: #411 baconeatingkaffir

That is not a Turkish thing
I know a few men here who do that
Women too
all cheaters



For this reason, I waited until age 30 to get married. If I can't commit, I aint gonna quit. :) Anyhow, cheating here is accepted amongst the male population. It's only a problem if women do it.

426 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:33:10am

re: #410 storagemanager


They have threated to unload their dollars and flood the market

Understood. Could be, but that won't impact domestic holdings of investments. And it would make our exports very attractive.

China's problem is they would then have to shift the wealth into something else. Their own currency is inflating out of value and the Euro banks will not be able to handle well that kind of pressure.

To me, the key is what will the Federal Reserve do? My guess is they will quietly expand the money supply through open market operations.

427 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:33:11am

re: #413 BulgarWheat

ULULULULULLULULULLULU!

428 luzbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:34:19am

re: #412 lucius septimius

re: #400 luzbone

re: #394 baconeatingkaffir
re: #392 luzbone

Yeah, and John Lennon was a guy who had a dream and got shot.

Right. By the CIA, right? Lennon was the Black Baptist Beatle I think.
No, no no. The "Paul McCarthy" who's there now is the fake one, they guy who after the real Paul died had all the plastic surgery and then went insane and has been killing off all the others. He hasn't gotten Ringo yet because he knows that Ringo has ordered that the secret safe deposit box with the truth and the evidence will be opened if "Paul" kills him.

That was the Paul McCarthy era when all those people in the entertainment industry had to admit they were community oriented. Some killed themselves and many lost their jobs.

Ringo sold his rings and did very well for himself.

It is my firm opinion that, based on scientific facial recognition techniques, it can be proved that Ringo was really a communist.

History is so cool.

429 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:34:25am

Good morning Babba!

Storage,

Who knew the North Koreans were so good at oil filed exploration & developement, and who knew the Iranians were so fond of kimchi?

lucius septimius,

Excellent historical perspective on the real start and finish of wars. Add to that list the false view that the Vietnamese War ended when the US pulled out. In fact, more Vietnamese died in fighting after the US left than during the US involvment. And the same stupid people want to do the same stupid thing in Iraq.

A Canadian "historian", Gwyn Dyer, recently argued that the US should withdraw as soon as possible. Don't worry about a bloodbath, since the insurgency will loose it's incentive to fight, which is the US occupation. He also claimed Mookie al-Sadr is an Iraqi nationalist.

Educated fools are the most dangerous.

430 3 wood  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:43am

re: #412 lucius septimius


The "Paul McCarthy" who's there now is the fake one, they guy who after the real Paul died had all the plastic surgery and then went insane and has been killing off all the others. He hasn't gotten Ringo yet because he knows that Ringo has ordered that the secret safe deposit box with the truth and the evidence will be opened if "Paul" kills him.

LOL. Good impression of a moonbat rave. For a second there I thought I'd popped over to HuffPo.

431 BenZacharia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:35:54am

non-Bible believers only

Re; Plural marriage/polygamy*

What's wrong with it?

*either multi-females or multi-males

432 BabbaZee  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:36:35am
433 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:37:00am

Hadn't seen anyone post this yet (Nonic usually beats me to it), Kimberly Strassel's piece this morning: Democratic Dustup
The far left isn't the path to a governing majority.

This was one of my favorite parts:

this newly energized left is directing inordinate firepower on the DLC itself, in a crazed, purist drive to purge any group that would exert a moderating influence on the Democratic Party. New Republic scribe Noam Scheiber let loose a few weeks back in a New York Times hit piece, calling the DLC "radioactive" and "quaint," gloating that its "fading influence was good news for the entire party," and arguing that it should just get lost. Markos Moulitsas, chief flogger-blogger on the Daily Kos, this week slammed the DLC as a group that wants to "blur distinctions with the GOP," and reveling that Democrats had won in 2006 because liberals like himself had "forced" Americans to pick sides.

The real target audience for these pronouncements is the Democratic presidential field, and the threat is clear: Touch the DLC, and you will be (to use a favorite, medieval Kos word) "punished."

If you read that last part aloud with the "Big Boss" voice from "Star Wars I: The Phantom Menace" it sounds a lot better.

Brian Blessed is cool.

434 lucius septimius  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:38:17am

re: #424 BabbaZee

Exactly -- what more proof do you want?

Troof! Troof! Troof!

435 Kenneth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 5:38:54am

re: #402 anat

1921? I go back further than that, to 622 AD, the year Islam was founded by Mohammad. Jihad has ebbed & flowed since then, but it has never stopped.

436