Bomb the shit out of Libya.

And get Kadaffy Duck this time.

they were tortured by electricity

That's not torture.
Loud rap music
hot female interrogators
panties on the head

now that's torture

The screaming hypocrisy of the leftists will be exposed yet again as not one will end up commenting on this story, or if they do blame it on this "illegal immoral war" they really have no shame

His wiki:

Saif al-Islam al-Gaddafi (Arabic: %u0633%u064A%u0641 %u0627%u0644%u0625%u0633%u0644%u0627%u0645 %u0627%u0644%u0642%u0630%u0627%u0641%u064A, translation: sword of Islam) is a son of Muammar al-Gaddafi, leader of Libya. A painter, he graduated from IMADEC University and from the London School of Economics. Today he heads up the official charity, the Gaddafi International Foundation for Charity Associations, which has intervened in various hostage situations involving Islamic militants and, most notably, the crisis of the HIV trial in Libya and the resulting European Union-Libyan rapprochement.

Saif also performs in public relations and diplomatic roles for his father. He has been mentioned as a possible successor, though he has denied this, claiming that Libya's future lies in direct democracy.

On December 10, 2004, shortly before a trip by Canadian prime minister Paul Martin to Tripoli, Gaddafi requested in an interview with The Globe and Mail a formal apology from the Canadian government, for joining U.S.-led sanctions against Libya after the Lockerbie bombing, and for denying him a student visa to study in Canada in 1997. His request was met with incredulity in Canada, and the Canadian government announced that no apology would be forthcoming.

Gaddafi also introduced the Seif Islam Gaddafi proposal for peace for the Israeli-Palestinian conflict between the Palestinians and Israel based on the creation of a binational solution (sometimes called "Isratine" as a portmanteau of "Israel" and "Palestine").

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi has been romantically linked to the Israeli actress Orly Weinerman.

Torture? Sure, we ethnocentric caucasians call it that... But that's Just Like, Their Culture, Man.™

No doubt the NY Times will have 50 stories about this on the front page comparing it with the horrors of Abu Ghraib and Club Gitmo.

And no one, and I mean no one, will take Libya to task for this.

Life will go on as though the admission never happened. I will find it curious whether HRW or AI will even bother citing this admission when it comes to their next annual report. /filing this away for future posting.

Gaddafi denied his country would face legal action for mistreating them

oh yeah, Mr tough guy. Take this !

Sternly worded letter of condemnation

Hah ! that'll teach you !

/UN

I think they can be trusted with nuclear technology, now.

/

Sick pathetic society. They treat human beings the way Micheal Vick (allegedly) treats dogs.

We have any dealings with them, why?

I truly wish that we could marginalize these morons completely.

Susan

They really don't like Palestinians.

"Orly Weinerman"?

so...will anyone get punished for this?

Ronald Reagan ^{the great one} is rolling over in his grave.

I'm sure the New York Times will run dozens of front page stories on this the way they did with the Abu Ghraib prison "torture" scandal.

The release was made possible by a deal struck in Tripoli on improving Libya-EU ties, following years of negotiations.

"Improving *cough*ransom*cough* Libya-EU ties"?.

I go to Bulgaria every year. The Bulgarians are outraged that Europe did so little to help get their nurses rescued. And yes, they know that the nurses were raped from day 1 in prison.
"Thanks for coming to volunteer your medical services, now we have a foreigner to blame for our own lack of hygeine." Either that, or Arafat came and visited an elementary school.

19 I meant that Europe did so little for so long to help the nurses - Europe did help secure their release.

"We have met the enemy, and he are mainly Muslim..."

/sad and sick

It's a sick world... chinese corpse brides

re: #17 docremulac

I'm sure the New York Times will run dozens of front page stories on this the way they did with the Abu Ghraib prison "torture" scandal.

I like to believe that someday, somehow the perpetrators of the fraud that is the New York Times will have to pay for their sins. I know it is unlikely, but a gal can dream can't she?

Libya 'tortured' Bulgaian medics

Interesting use of scare quotes, there.

re: #22 Ghengis Khan

It's a sick world... chinese corpse brides

Materialism running rampant!

"Palestinian born..."

Once a Palestinian, always a Palestinian.

re: #9 lawhawk

. . . I will find it curious whether HRW or AI will even bother citing this admission when it comes to their next annual report. . .

It may totally unfounded, but I have always had the impression that HRW was a bit left hardcore nut job than AI, and made at least some effort to actually report on legitimate abuses.

Ya gotta love the BBC.

The first paragraph:

Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi's son has said the six Bulgarian medics who were imprisoned for deliberately infecting children with HIV were tortured.

Stated as fact.

And they still refer to the Glasgow Torch as an "alleged" terrorist attack.

Of course the rape, the forced nakedness of both the Dr and nurses in the same room, and the bizarre sex games they forced the women to do are hardly worth mentioning.

I wonder if this is the "Torture" the Quakers are referring to in their "Torture is Wrong" sign outside their Meeting House.

Is part of the deal that these medics cannot speak or write about their experiences? Perhaps it is too soon for them to want to relive their ordeal, but if prisons in other islamic countries are any indication, there was much more than electricity involved in this torture.

Hey he said most of it was lies.. who are you going to believe.. victims or the son of a great Leader like "Ga'coughy" .. besides Bush made them do it. Does the west want oil or trouble with their betters?

re: #12 susanl
They could have been years ago ...
But that hrse is long gone.
The only thing is to probably pick a fight
and bring the bigger stick!
Sad It's come to that!

re: #10 Shug

Gaddafi denied his country would face legal action for mistreating them

oh yeah, Mr tough guy. Take this !

Sternly worded letter of condemnation

Hah ! that'll teach you !

/UN

Shug, you got to say that with a French accent!

Zee sternleee worded leatter of zee condemnat-ion

Watch your blood pressure with this one. Hot Air tried getting Murtha to comment on the dismissal of charges against Marines Stone and Sharrett yesterday.

What they got was a whole lot of no comment and hang up.

Classy.

OT
More on the dhimmitude of Belgium. This is a much broader take, basically it states the Europe is marching towards totalitarianism and freedom of speech is now officially stifled except for the approved text. Like China, but that analogy is mine.
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2007/08/open-let ter-to-fellow-europeans.html

Fox now reporting 57 killed in Southern Philippine clashes with Abu Sayyaf, including 25 Filipino troops.

re: #34 Honorary Yooper

how would they say it in the U.P.?

He did know that they and their visitors over the years had clued us in on the fact that they were tortured, right?
I had already heard about beatings, rapes, being hung by the arms, being threatened with death, with a gun to the side of the head being shot off to another direction and other torments.
Some of the nurses were thus coerced into false confessions.
So, what is he saying that we didn't already know?

re: #38 Shug

re: #34 Honorary Yooper

how would they say it in the U.P.?

Sternly worded letter of condemnation, eh. Ya, read it or else, eh.

Liberal Lefties would rather lower taxes and kiss Bush full on the lips before admitting that their silence on issues such as these boils down to a stealth form of racism. The same reason they say you can't bring democracy to the Middle East. "Well, you know THOSE people just can't be expected to behave any other way..."

Sharmuta (#31),

No.

Here's a BBC article:

One Bulgarian's Libyan ordeal

Zdravko Georgiev is the husband of one of the six Bulgarian medics imprisoned in Libya for infecting children with HIV. He too was held in Libya, and was released with his wife and her colleagues. Shortly before the seven of them were flown to Sofia, Dr Georgiev spoke to the BBC News website about his eight-year wait for freedom.

And once again they state the Libyan lies as fact. Absolutely disgraceful.

It makes me wonder,

When these bastards wake up in Hell, will they be confused as to how they got there?

One of the nurses attended the press conference concerning torture. Three were too traumatized and the fourth was not present without explanation. But I listened to the press conference and I believe the nurse there was basically confirming the Drs description of what happened with the consent of all. From the Drs description, there is every reason to believe that the younger nurses were further abused.

re: #35 lawhawk

Let's send Murtha to Libya to investigate those torture allegations. I'll bet he'd be SHOCKED at the treatment they received, or he'll receive!

Nothing to see here, folks. Move along... move along.

When the barbarians don't evolve at the same pace as the rest of the civilized world, we leave them unreckoned at our own peril.

I wonder how modern media justifies the fact that they almost single-handedly perpetuate every un-PC, tyrannical, genocidal, psychopathic warlord and culture in the world?

re: #39 mean Gene

Quite right. It reminds me of the fanfare with Time's cover announcing "Dan Quayle Was Right!" (Children from intact families fare better than those from broken homes. Duh.). Time found research that proposed what sensible people had known all along.

The torture of these people has been known for years, but now that Ghadaffi Jr. (Improved Terrorist, in a New Concentrated Formula!) says it, it's news. I guess it's not confirmed until the torturers admit it. But, um, that rule doesn't apply to Club Gitmo, or Abu Ghraib.

re: #42 Geepers

That is disgusting.

re: #25 Carridine

seriously I just about vomited when I read that article. I can't stop shuddering. Why isn't this stuff on the headlines?

re: #42 Geepers

I can't think what they did to those women...

/You know they did.

Yes, they were tortured by electricity and they were threatened that their family members would be targeted,” he said. “But a lot of what the Palestinian doctor has claimed are merely lies

So, they were brutally tortured, but it's really OK, because it wasn't as bad as the Palestinian doctor claimed? How can these people live with themselves.

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi needs to be Qussay'ed and/or Uday'ed.

come on bulgaria, ask for some help to accomplish justice!

This "deal" (G-d I hate that word) is such a horrible precedent. Surely they realise that they have now endangered the lives of foreign aid workers everywhere? Want a great new "deal" with the EU? Dreaming about nuclear reactors, political credibility, and lots of money for nothing? Just hold and torture some nurses or doctors on trumped up charges, "try" them and sentence them to death, and voila! Your dreams can come true. Yech!

re: #25 Carridine

re: #22 Ghengis Khan

It's a sick world... chinese corpse brides

Materialism running rampant!

Strange mark-missing morbid corruption: what you get when you mix Capitalism without Liberty.

Torture is listening to Andrew Sullivan.

#53 Kirly

Saif al-Islam Gaddafi needs to be Qussay'ed and/or Uday'ed.
come on bulgaria, ask for some help to accomplish justice!

Hmmm. In this case I have to disagree. The background to this is that Saif is actually working to modernise and democratise Libya. But since he has no actual 'power' (his Dad has it ALL) the best he can do is to play the 'diplomatic' game, and that means publicise, work behind the scenes and build a power base.

His admission that the medics were tortured was designed to place pressure on those in the Libyan authorities who allowed this to happen. Saif has also, in other interviews, stated that his country is beset by corruption and outdated institutions. He wants to bring Libya into the 21st century but he is dealing with centuries of bigotry and competing factions.

I think he should be given cedit for what he did. If you listen to the whole interview it is clear he is criticising - not gloating.

Now, he

re: #10 Shug

Easy, there Shug! Save the big ammunition for later -- that was unnecessarily harsh. According to my shopworn copy of The UN Negotiator's Handbook, a mild rebuke or possibly a simple disagreeable shrug of the shoulders would be more appropriate. Of course, that's only after all other avenues have been thoroughly exhausted and bribes are no longer effective.

Real torture, not Andrew Sullivan-style torture.

You mean like reading the drivel on his blog?

Why is anyone having anything to do with Libya at all. This sets a precident and a bad one at that. The EU are so gutless it's sickening. At least you have the Atlantic between you and these bunch, I only have the English Channel! Europe should make Libya off limits and tell people that they go there at their peril. I don't know why anyone is surprised by Ghadaffi Jr, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree and they tend to get worse generation on generation - just look at Sodits kids.
I did have hopes for the French but now I don't know. Fwench it will have to be for the time being. Keep the Brie in the fridge and hope I suppose.

re: #57 SorenK

ok then, get rid of his tyrant father and put this guy in charge.

#22 Genghis

Let me be the first to say:
Ewww

OT, but Lawyers are really pissing me off today:
Reverse "honor killing"? 20-year Muslim convertee wife kills bigamist husband before trip to Moracco to impregnate 2nd wife. Definitely no virgins for you, pal! (The happy couple were living in a million dollar home from an $8 million lawsuit payout over death of daughter.)

More Lawyer News:
Bruce Tefft, a 21-year CIA veteran with 17 years in clandestine service, made some common-sense statements about Islam w/r/t terrorism. Result? Tefft is being sued by an Egyptian-born NYC police dept. analyst with delicate feelings. Mohammed Doe is supposed to be hunting down terrorists on the Internet, but the Poor Thing, joined an opt-in mailing list and out of thousands upon thousands of comments, read some "hurtful" comments such as:

"a good Muslim ... can't be a good American," "Burning the hate-filled Koran should be viewed as a public service at the least," and "This is not a war against terrorism ... it is against Islam and we are not winning."

and now the poor little analyst wants to sue. Notice he does not claim the comments are wrong, only insulting and hurtful. Yet the NYCPD is paying this joker is to track down terrorists on the internet? I'm not feeling confident. Hells bells, for all we know, he's being paid to surf internet Jihadi sites for his personal fun and intertainment.

Tefft dares say outloud what millions know to be true. The West is afraid to even name the enemy. I fail to find even these cherry-picked comments (chosen from many thousands of messages...) offensive. But then again, I'm not a hypersensitive Egyptian-born Muslim antiterrorism analyst with two attorneys looking for a payout.

For anyone interested in learning more about Mohammed Doe's legal team: Lead lawyer Ilann Maazel's profile: born in London 1971. Speaks Italian. Has a rather smug looking file photo.The junior attorney, Katherine Rosenfeld, just passed the bar last year so she hasn't been able to do too much damage.
If you can avoid vomiting, the legal eagles paint Mohammed Doe as a victim-patriot.

IMO, the "osint" mailing list is a GREAT antiterrorist resource! Tefft has been boots-on-the-ground in the hellholes of the world since these attorneys were in diapers.

I really do despise activist attorneys today.

My only hope left is there is true justice at the end of days...

Obviously, there isn't a leader of the free world with the guts to do the right thing and brutalize these thugs before killing them.

I guess that's one of the tests of someone being a true monster-they think that their actions are normal everyday things because there's no one to tell them otherwise.

re: #37 Ringo the Gringo

Fox now reporting 57 killed in Southern Philippine clashes with Abu Sayyaf, including 25 Filipino troops.

gotta fight those Zionists !.

re: #65 anotherindyfilmguy

I guess that's one of the tests of someone being a true monster-they think that their actions are normal everyday things because there's no one to tell them otherwise.

I've seen this slime ball on TV. He is a monster. Libya is backsliding badly.
Tme to drop one down HIS chimney.

Left out the best line in the BBC article;

"There is negligence, there is a disaster that took place, there is a tragedy, but [But, BUT!] it was not deliberate," he said.

So, it was a tragic case of mistaken genital electricution?

/Islamo-nuance!

Dr Ashraf Alhajouj, the Palestinian-born medic, told Dutch TV last month that Libyan authorities had drugged him, given him electric shocks by attaching electrodes to his genitals, and set police dogs on him.

He also said they had tied his arms and legs to a metal bar and spun him repeatedly, like a chicken on a rotisserie.

Mr Gaddafi also confirmed that some of the children had been infected with HIV before the medics arrived in Libya, something which international scientists say they have proven. One case was reported after their arrest.

"There is negligence, there is a disaster that took place, there is a tragedy, but it was not deliberate," he said.

Libyan courts had based their rulings on conflicting reports implicating the medics, he added.

It is difficult to imagine that a Palestinian doctor with a group of Bulgarian nurses would go to Libya to deliberately spread AIDS. It doesn't make sense. They went there to do their jobs.

What I can imagine is that sterilization techniques were improper, and/or that needles that should have been discarded were re-used, and maybe this caused the HIV infection to spread. Perhaps they used the same needles for taking blood samples from an HIV infected patient as for other patients who did not have any HIV infection. That would be negligence and medical malpractice.

In the US, a hospital that had been performing colonoscopies notified a couple of hundred patients that sterilization techniques were improper, and that the patients might have been exposed to AIDS and/or hepatitis. That's because in a colonoscopy they re-use the same devices, from one patient to another, and a real sterilization is impossible, I read. So they simply should never have done the procedure on any patient that had HIV or that had hepatitis.

If such a mistake could happen here in the US, I can believe that other mistakes could also happen in third world countries.

What is the tale that the Palestinian doctor can tell about how the HIV spread? It might be a lesson that could benefit other doctors. Something was admittedly done wrong, if the doctor admits that there was negligence.

Apparently in Libya, actual or suspected medical malpractice is punished by 8 years of torture, in order to get a confession that the malpractice was carried out deliberately. And there are also threats against the families of those who are accused of medical malpractice, to get the desired confession of malice.

I thought Khadaffi duck decided to skimp on the money and buy some unchecked blood from unnamed European sources? Torture by the allah loving members of the religion of piss? You have to be joking! They were just following standard operating procedure. Why the hell have we normalized relations with these ingrates? They need to see the wrath of Reagan again. Khadaffi's son? A chip off the old blockhead if you ask me. T