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Unbelievable Leftist Hate of the Day

Fri, Aug 10, 2007 at 9:12:17 am PDT

Here’s our jaw-droppingly sick 2-minute leftist hate of the day, at the Guardian’s “Comment is free” pseudo-blog, where journalist Neil Clark argues that Iraqi translators working for UK forces are “traitors,” and should not be allowed asylum in Britain.

Instead, Clark hopes they’ll be slaughtered by the “true heroes” of Iraq. Yes, really.

Comment is free: Keep these quislings out.

The interpreters did not work for “us”, the British people, but for themselves - they are paid around £16 a day, an excellent wage in Iraq - and for an illegal occupying force. Let’s not cast them as heroes. The true heroes in Iraq are those who have resisted the invasion of their country.

As Seumas Milne wrote in yesterday’s Guardian: “More than any other single factor, it has been the war of attrition waged by Iraq’s armed resistance that has successfully challenged the world’s most powerful army and driven the demand for withdrawal to the top of the political agenda in Washington.” If more Iraqis had followed the example of the interpreters and collaborated with British and American forces, it is likely that the cities of Iran and Syria would now be lying in rubble.

Before you rush to condemn Iraqis who feel ill disposed towards the interpreters, ask yourself a simple question: how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded? History tells us that down through history, Quislings have - surprise, surprise - not been well received, and the Iraqi people’s animosity towards those who collaborated with US and British forces is only to be expected.

Those who cheered on a brutal, murderous assault on a third-world country that was always going to result in mass loss of life would now like us to believe they are concerned over the fate of 91 people. But what I suspect worries the pro-war brigade most is not the future of the interpreters but that future military “interventions” may be jeopardised unless Britain promises citizenship rights to locals who collaborate.

“Let’s not overlook a practical military issue here: who will ever work for the British army in a war zone if they know that later they will be tossed aside like a spent cartridge?” asks Adam Lebor.

There is a simple answer to that “practical military issue”: let’s do all we can to keep the British army out of war zones. And in the meantime, let’s do all we can to keep self-centred mercenaries who betrayed their fellow countrymen and women for financial gain out of Britain.

If that means some of them may lose their lives, then the responsibility lies with those who planned and supported this wicked, deceitful and catastrophic war, and not those of us who tried all we could to stop it.

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1 Esther  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:13:22am

The Flying Terrorist

The movie

The explanation

How do we know he's a terrorist? Because according to the world media, in the Nahr El Barad camp there are no civilians. Though Doornbos admits he's only seen a militant 'for a fraction of a second' in the 100 hours he was there, he knows this is not a civilian and definitely not a Palestinian. For this same reason the Lebanese army is not being accused of using undue force shooting rockets into what is essentially a packed Palestinian refugee camp.

Anyone want to guess what the media would be saying if this was the Israeli army firing at Nahr El Barad?

2 doppelganglander  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:13:29am

Just when I thought I'd heard it all. Disgusting.

3 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:13:57am

Bizarre

4 zombie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:14:35am

Neil Clark is a traitor to Britain.

Plain and simple.

5 MandyManners  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:14:56am

Oh, for fuck's sake. Up is down. Left is right. Bad is good. Night is day.

6 blue_like_jazz  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:15:08am

idiot.

//mental disease indeed

7 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:15:17am
8 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:16:05am

They really need to stop projecting their revolutionary ideology onto the Iraqis.

It's widely known that the "Insurgents" aren't Iraqis.

9 astronmr20  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:16:12am

o/t but timely;

Man dodges past security at Charlotte Douglas International...


Anyone have the story?

I was supposed to fly out of there today.

10 maddogg[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:16:33am
11 joncelli  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:16:40am

He's not even trying to hide his hatred and viciousness. Un-freakin'-believable. Oh, and what if -- and here's a thought that may never have occurred to this tool -- the translators did what they did because they wanted to assist those who liberated them from oppression?

[Shakes head at the insanity on display here]

12 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:17:20am
13 Shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:17:22am
how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded?

well if Gordon Brown and his government had been murdering , torturing, raping hundreds of thousands of British citizens for the last several decades, I would feel pretty good about the people that were working for the "foreign occupier" who deposed, tried and executed Mr Brown

you douchebag

14 zombie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:17:51am

I know for a fact that these journalists are writing these "counter-intuitive" ideas just because they can. They think it's clever.

One could have just as easily sat there during WWII and concocted Nazi propaganda as an intellectual exercise. Just to razz the authorities.

Clark needs to learn that there is no social approval for his naughty bad-boy contrarianism. He's a grown-up now. And grown-ups face real consequences.

15 aunursa  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:03am

Is anything jaw-dropping anymore? Is anyone still shocked at the depths to which ...?

16 brent  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:14am

Sick, effete, useless tool.... Makes no mention (that I will bother to read) of the invaders from Saudi Arabia, Iran, and England (via Saudi Arabia, Egypt, etc) - as long as the US and UK get it but good.

Sick POS.

I wonder who he'll want to work for when London finally falls?

17 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:23am
Analogies with the 44 Gurkha veterans who fought for Britain in the Falklands war and who are yet to receive citizenship rights are absurd. In that conflict, Britain was responding to an illegal act of aggression by Argentina;

Because the Falklands are off the coast of Britain.

18 Abdullah al-Libi  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:29am

Does this mean that Clark wishes that the Werwolf units had killed his relatives who were in Germany in 1945?

What a self-loathing fool.

19 mean Gene  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:30am

Aren't these translators also forced to wear masks and sneak home by various routes lest they be followed by murderous killers?
Nah!
They're not heros!
I don't understand people like this Neil Clark character.

20 Shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:50am

what did Hirsi ali say to that twit in Canada.......

Only a person who has always known freedom can make such a statement and spit on freedom

.

she said it better than that

21 Roger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:18:51am
those of us who tried all we could to stop it.

- Neil Clark

Your could just wasn't good enough. You failed.

22 easy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:19:11am

It is amazing how these people can live on the same planet as us and still inhabit different worlds.

23 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:20:07am

re: #15 aunursa

Is anything jaw-dropping anymore? Is anyone still shocked at the depths to which ...?

Sadly, no.

24 BingoBunny  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:20:20am

Neil Clark should join the names of real traitors as he joins the Islamist war machine as propagandist.

25 Largecanine  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:20:56am

IMO, part of this guy's problem with granting asylum to Iraqies is that he is an old fashioned racist. Pretending to be a high minded moralist is his mask.

26 Call me Infidel  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:21:00am

I have been debating with a similar half wit on a local blog. Where do they get this mental illness from?

27 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:21:17am

Too late to comment. From the link:
Comments have now been closed on this entry.

28 lobo91  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:21:40am

I'm sure the jihadis consider Clark a "real hero" for their side.

Maybe he should go live with them.

29 Shug  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:21:54am

Unbelievable Leftist Hate

redundant

30 jdun  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:22:12am

Leftist are evil and traitors to their own country. I personally don't understand why they live in a country that they hate so much. If this guy dislike the UK that much why don't he move to Saudi Arabia? A country that he thinks that is better then the current one he live in. No one is stopping this moron from doing so.

31 Tasty Beverage  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:22:33am

Neil Clark would prefer that the UK import the brave non-Iraqi mujahideen and give them asylum instead, since they may also face reprisals from the Iraqis. He luurvs freedom fighters.

32 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:23:17am

I'm not suprised by anything the left can say anymore. Their vileness knows no depth.

33 Julio Jurenito  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:23:30am

One of the consequences of freedom is that scum rises to the top and becomes visible.

Neil Clark and his ilk couldn't care less about the Iraqis. Iraqis, and really the rest of the world, are simply the sacrificial material in their hatred of freedom inherent in America.

Julio

34 wvobiwan  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:23:33am

I just posted this on the last thread, it's appropriate here too:

When the barbarians don't evolve at the same pace as the rest of the civilized world, we leave them unreckoned at our own peril.

I wonder how modern media justifies the fact that they almost single-handedly perpetuate every un-PC, tyrannical, genocidal, psychopathic warlord and culture in the world?

35 mean Gene  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:24:16am

re: #25 Largecanine

The irony.
He doesn't rail against some true islamists living in his home country, nope.
He rails against those few, brave men and women who are educated, bi-lingual, progressive, easily assimilated Iraqi's instead.

36 maddogg  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:25:52am

I'd like to introduce Neil the milksop leftist to this guy, or a facsimile.

37 Just_A_Grunt  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:26:34am

Scanning through the comments that were left I don't see a lot supporting the writers position, in fact hardly none.
This guy needs some of that free professional help that is a stalwart of the British medical care.

38 Iron Fist  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:27:00am

No beating around the bush here. This guy is crystal clear on which side he supports. He is for the terrorists, 100%.

39 Lauraf  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:28:47am

Well the next time Britain finds itself to BE a war zone, they can stuff themselves. No more Canadian blood to save British a**.

40 Sharmuta  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:29:33am
it has been the war of attrition waged by Iraq’s armed resistance that has successfully challenged the world’s most powerful army

If I listened to these people I would have no idea there was a US surge going on, and that it is the US that is successfully challenging neil's heroes. neil would rather promote his view of the way the world should be instead of allowing facts to dictate reality.

/Typical

41 brent  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:29:55am

I would just like to ask a guy like this one question, was it OK to leave Sadaam in power, where "quislings" like these translators were thrown into woodchippers foot first. Is it better to support an "armed resistance" made up of jihadists from a dozen countries than support your own country in a war that arguably has democracy for Iraq as an endgame?

Ask yourself, would you rather have British / American soldiers patrolling your neighborhood or jihadists from Saudi Arabia patrolling it?

Ask yourself where did you go so dreadfully wrong that an intellectual exercise, pretending that is what this is, could put you into such a morally reprehensible position as this has.

Then maybe take a shower with a blow dryer, take one for the team, thin the herd...

42 dr. akim ullsheetbay  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:29:57am

jebus, just when you think the world could not be more stupid this guy finds another new low.

43 J.S.  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:30:08am

Neil Clark -- a Quisling extradinaire. Should be KEPT OUT OF BRITAIN! Strip the Quisling of citizenship and ship it off to Pakistan or S. Arabia...sans return address.

44 Sizzlack  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:30:37am

im suprised i didnt see him blame an international zionist conspiracy somewhere in that bullsh*t babble

45 Ojoe  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:31:55am

This is from Blackfive a few weeks ago:


I got your letter a while ago. Thanks for writting. It's always great to read letters from home. How's everything going? We're doing ok out here. Not much going on at all really...

...So, a while back I told you to remind me about a story I needed to tell you. I suppose everyone who's been here has stories just like this, but this is mine and I'll share it. I met a gentleman who shall remain nameless. He is an Iraqi citizen who owns and operates a crane for the government. I needed a crane, and since I don't know how to use one ... I needed an operator for the crane. This gentleman worked harder for me than three of my own Soldiers. I shouted orders at him all day long and he did nothing but the finest work. He simply would not tell me no. At the end of the day I shook his hand and said "Shukran" which is thank-you in Arabic. He very humbly said you're welcome, he touched his heart and said goodbye. The next day was more of the same, eight hours out in the burning sun and he would not quit or say no. That day, my Soldiers brought him and his worker lunch. We went inside where the sun wouldn't get to us, and I let him eat his lunch in the cool quiet sanctuary. After he finished his meal, I finally got to introduce myself in arabic. I said "ismee John, shismek?" He gave me his name and that opened the door for more conversation, and this was the moment that I'd been waiting for since I was told that I'd be leaving for Iraq.


He said "Sir, when we come here to work we feel safe. It is when we go home at night that we are afraid."


Not only did now I understand why this gentleman, who was twice my senior, would work so hard for me, I finally understood my purpose, my directive, my mission. It is simply to make this man feel safe if only for a little while. If my presence here brings five more minutes of peace to this man, I'll feel I've done something worth while...

46 Geepers  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:32:29am

"Quislings" were Nazi sympathizers.

So that tells you what Neil Clark thinks of Britain.

47 Sizzlack  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:32:35am

nothing says true Iraqi hero more than a jihadi who indiscriminately carbombs an outdoor market

48 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:33:32am
History tells us that down through history, Quislings have - surprise, surprise - not been well received

Something tells me this guys Irony meter isn't working.

49 brent  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:36:15am

Actually, I just had a thought - shouldn't this cat be in a room with an infinite number of other monkeys working on the collected works of William Shakespeare?

Get back to it, slappy! There's random keys to be hit!

Nazi references, it's evidently been too long since Britain was being attacked by the real thing. I'm not wishing for that, but it's clear this kind of writing would have been unimaginable in 1950.

50 Ben Hur  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:37:01am

It's nice to see that even people on the Left are aghast by this fool.

There really is intelligent life out there.

51 Leonidas Hoplite  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:37:57am

Every time I read garbage like that I start to think the West is doomed, if only because of the total lack of common sense and complete blindness to the threat we face.

"Keep British forces out of war zones" basically just invites the enemy to attack even more aggressively. Get ready for another Dunkirk, limey's.

52 lobo91  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:38:22am

Speaking of "unbelievable leftist hate," the DCCC is now openly running radio ads advocating the surrender of our forces in Iraq:

Democrats’ Summer Recess Iraq Ads Target 12 Swing District Republicans

Despite frequent statements by President Bush and his political allies that U.S. troops are making progress in the Iraq war, the conflict remains highly unpopular among most Americans. A CBS News-New York Times poll conducted July 20-22 showed 69 percent of respondents disapproved of Bush’s handling of the war, and 66 percent said the war was going somewhat to very badly.

And Democratic strategists for the 2008 congressional elections clearly believe Iraq is an issue that works to their party’s benefit — as underscored by radio ads, calling for a “new direction” in Iraq, that the Democrats’ national House campaign organization is running during the August congressional recess in 12 districts represented by Republicans who are being targeted for defeat next year.

The Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC) on Wednesday began airing radio ads during “drive time” in the 12 districts. These include Connecticut’s 4th, where veteran Republican Rep. Christopher Shays narrowly survived tough races in 2004 and 2006 against Democrat Diane Farrell in which the incumbent’s support for Bush’s Iraq policy was a central issue.

Given the fact that our forces are currently kicking jihadist ass and taking names all over Iraq, the only meaning I can gather from the phrase "new direction" is that we should surrender.

Can we start holding treason trials now? Please?

53 Mostly Annoyed  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:38:31am

Doesn't the UK have sedition laws?

Or is this "journalist", and I use the term lightly, exempt from that?

And IF he was doing "everything he could do" he would be in Iraq very briefly fighting against the British troops before they killed him.

54 runrabbitrun  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:38:37am

He doesn't care that countries do not reflect the will of the people, nor that genocidal egomaniacs can shoot their way into power and remain there by use of murder, torture, genocide. To Clark it's no different than a swath of red-staters voting in a cowboy Christian in a democratic election.

All that these leftist elites really want is for the the family to deteriorate to an inviable institution, and the world to eventually deteriorate into an anarchic condition, so that liberal elites like him can muscle the UN into running the global show.

That'd be fine by Clark. Understand; he likes dictators: he can't wait till he becomes one himself.

55 Kirly  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:42:32am

re: #34 wvobiwan

I just posted this on the last thread, it's appropriate here too:

When the barbarians don't evolve at the same pace as the rest of the civilized world, we leave them unreckoned at our own peril.

I wonder how modern media justifies the fact that they almost single-handedly perpetuate every un-PC, tyrannical, genocidal, psychopathic warlord and culture in the world?

heh. justify it? the simply ignore it!

kirls

56 MoonbatBane  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:43:13am

re: #13 Shug

Updated for the near future:

well if Gordon Brown and his government had been when the new Caliphate in Eurabia is murdering, torturing, raping hundreds of thousands of British and other Eurabian citizens for the last several decades, I will NOT support intervening because that would make us would feel pretty good about the people that were working for the "foreign occupier" who deposed, tried and executed Mr Brown you in these douchebags view...

57 reine.de.tout  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:43:35am

Some people just insist on having a head-in-the-sand philosophy of life. This guy's one of 'em.

58 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:44:40am
59 Aylios  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:45:22am

I wanted to give this %$*( a good piece of my mind but so many beat me to it that this disgusting and cowardly piece of offal has predictably closed comments on article his piece of sh** AND closed access to his blog.

60 Master Shake  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:48:55am

Next thing you know, that blogger at the NYT will ask his readers for ideas on how to torture and kill the translators. You know, so the British will know what to look for when trying to protect them.

61 Tricky Dick  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:49:26am
Before you rush to condemn Iraqis who feel ill disposed towards the interpreters, ask yourself a simple question: how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded?

Britian's already been invaded by islamofascist immigrants and this twit is nothing more than the exact type of collaborator and traitor as he portrays the interpreters. He'll fare no better than any of the rest of the infidels if theyever take over.

62 wargammer2005  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:51:17am

mr asshole clark

the ONLY reason there are still terrorists in Iraq is that we do not wish to do to them whatwe did to Japan and Germany.

if the gloves EVER come off, iran, syira, north korea will be smoking holes in the ground.

you pathetic, unthinking, TRAITOR.

63 MoonbatBane  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:51:45am

re: #54 runrabbitrun

That'd be fine by Clark. Understand; he likes dictators: he can't wait till he becomes one himself.

Yup, typical leftscum.

Had a friend whose family escaped from Cuba shortly after the revolution. He was a toddler, they got him out packed in a suitcase. Anyway, they had a family friend, a professor, who was all for the revolution. Obviously stayed behind thinking he'd get some of that power. Wasn't long after that he tracked my friend's parents down by phone to beg for help or a way out. You see, things didn't turn out like he planned -- he was on the receiving end of the whip, not the wielding end. Friend's parents just hung up on him.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that this asshole (sorry, Charles, lighter terms just don't fit) Clark is the same type of useless lowlife self-important worthless dictator-wannabe scumbag, and he'd end up the same way -- begging for help from those he helped oppress when he found out that he wouldn't be holding the whip...

64 wargammer2005  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:52:32am

Before you rush to condemn Iraqis who feel ill disposed towards the interpreters, ask yourself a simple question: how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded?

perhaps we should asj the Irish?

65 cravin4racin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:53:39am
how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier


Hell, we have an entire political party that has been doing this very thing for years now, except they are not allowed to be called traitors. They call it progressive.

66 socalinfidel  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 9:54:21am

re: #45 Ojoe


Wow....Its stories like that which make me feel good about what were doing

67 SaneInMN  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:00:25am

Neil Clark, Paul Pillar and Crew(i.e. a significant portion of the CIA), Jay Rockefeller, Sandy Berger, etc. need to be tried for treason. Until that happens, and one of them is convicted, these slugs will continue to sell out their respective countries to the barbarians. Fortunately, an investigation regarding the leaked NSA surveillance program is progressing....

From [Link: www.powerlineblog.com...]

FBI On Trail of Leaker

I don't know how I missed this, but Monday's Washington Post reported that the FBI had executed a search warrant on the home of former Justice Department lawyer Thomas Tamm in an effort to identify the person or persons who criminally leaked information about the administration's international terrorist surveillance plan to al Qaeda and other terrorist groups in 2005. Let's hope similar investigations are underway for the other leaks that have compromised national security in recent years.

It isn't clear from the Post's story whether Tamm himself is suspected as the source of the leak (Sane, according to other blogs, he most certainly IS suspected as the source). If so, we will finally have a genuine scandal involving the Department of Justice. Not one, however, that Congressional Democrats will be interested in holding hearings on.

However, Tamm is a small-time stooge, not a high profile elected official, cabinet member, or high-ranking CIA agent. We cannot defeat Islamic terror without simultaneously defeating the Left (as opposed to patriotic liberals, wrong on many issues, but still lovers of America).

68 The Dajjal  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:02:14am

The Leftist wackos refuse to let the facts skew their view of reality.

They continually use the phrase "illegal war" when referring to the war in Iraq (Gulf War II). There is nothing illegal about it precisely for the following reasons.

In exchange for Coalition Forces ending hostilities against Saddam in Gulf War 1, Saddam signed a Ceasefire Agreement wherein he contractually agreed to a set of terms and conditions. Quid pro quo. Provisions in the Ceasefire Agreement permitted the resumption of hostilities should Saddam breach any of the agreed-upon terms.

Lo and behold! Saddam breached the agreed-upon terms! Two breaches stand out in particular. One, he threw out the weapons inspectors and refused to 'fully cooperate' with them further (say what you will about his reasons for doing so but it still constituted a breach of the agreement). Two, he repeatedly fired on coalition aircraft patrolling the no-fly zone (again, say what you will about his reasons but it still was a breach of terms).

Since Saddam breached the terms of the agreement, there was a legal basis in 'contract' to resume hostilities against him. Ergo, the resumption of hostilities against him (otherwise known as Gulf War II) was not an illegal act.

You can call it many things but it was not "illegal."

69 crown_of_feathers  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:04:34am

The Guardian long ago lost its ability to surprise me, as far as how low it can get.

This rag is beyond a doubt the most loathsome, cowardly, dhimmi, Jew-hating, America-hating filth coming from the filthy Left.

I occasionally, now, click on the Guardian link, but most of the time I just go up a bit and click on Frontpage. Infinitely more intelligent and sane than the Guardian, which has become the home of the psychotic hyper-left/islamist coalition.

70 lurking faith  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:04:57am

Treasonous git.

71 Kirly  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:05:59am

re: #68 The Dajjal

and the fact that the clintoon admin failed to smack him down for 8 years just adds to the mindset of the fools who can't/won't believe the historical truth that you state.

72 runrabbitrun  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:15:15am

re: #63 MoonbatBane

heh.

I'm never surprised when leftists recommend any strategy that will lead to the destruction of the western world, only when righties and moderates express that they are 'confounded' by what seems like suicide.

Doesn't happen much on LGF, happily.

Then I debate with myself whether leftists really believe that they might not be cracking the whip themselves, as you say,, because they don't understand that to triumph over barbarians, even those who see themselves as more culturally/socially/spiritually evolved must sometimes use similar tactics to survive.

Or maybe when they see an opening to absolute rule, the left will show its true colors and use murder, torture, and genocide themselves. Or substitute the thought policing, silencing and banishing that are the subtler equivalents.

73 pingjockey  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:15:33am

I am truly surprised that the UK hasn't tipped over yet. The speed at which Winston Churchill must be spinning in his grave should have changed the orbit of this planet.

74 George Bruce  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:17:20am

"Before you rush to condemn Iraqis who feel ill disposed towards the interpreters, ask yourself a simple question: how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded? History tells us that down through history, Quislings have - surprise, surprise - not been well received, and the Iraqi people’s animosity towards those who collaborated with US and British forces is only to be expected."

How ironic. Britain is being invaded and the folks at the Guardian are working for the forces of a foreign occupier.

75 Whammo  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:17:43am

The interpreters did not work for “us”, the British people, but for themselves - they are paid around £16 a day, an excellent wage in Iraq - and for an illegal occupying force. Let’s not cast them as heroes. The true heroes in Iraq are those who have resisted the invasion of their country.

Yes, but the heros of Iraq resisted the invasion by the insurgents, not the US forces you twit.

76 Dartmouth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:20:12am

THIS POST IS ON HIS PERSONAL BLOG AND IS OPEN I strongly suggest everyone heading over and finishing what most 180+ people started on the Guardian site!

77 Slumbering Behemoth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:23:50am
how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier

Good question, Mr. Clark. How do your fellow Britons view you?

78 Trippin  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:27:13am

This is the vilest load of hateful fucking rubbish I have ever read. The interpreters risked life and limb to PROTECT their fellow Iraqi's from murderers with one ambition only - to relegate Iraq to a Islamic slave camp. Fuck you, Neil Clark, you piece of shit.

79 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:28:59am

Not "anti-war"... On the Other Side.

/dusting off an old favorite

80 Roger  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:31:24am

I wonder if Neil Clark read An Iraqi Interpreter’s Story[Michael Totten] and was inspired.

81 Is it me?  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:35:56am

I have never been able to bring myself to read The Guardian in my life. In fact it's been notorious for years. People who read it are known as "Guardianistas" and are lumped in with the chattering classes.
Even for them this is jaw dropping. In fact sickening. I was going to ask how to get hold of this a**wipe so I could exert my right to free speech but another poster has said he's done a runner. Just as well too. A kick up the bum is in order. In fact I would happily declare him persona non grata and chuck him OUT.
He needs to go to Iraq and get some perspective on things but he seems beyond help.

Stop assuming these sorts of Meeja idiots are representative of the British people. You don't get to hear from us. It's like my saying that Obama and that Murtha bloke are the same as ALL of you. Not on people.

While I'm at it, what sort of a name is Seumas Milne? There should be a good anagram in it but I'm so angry my brain is seizing up. Any takers?
6.35pm

82 Richard Romano  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:36:07am

Complete. Utter. Derangement

This is yet another reason why we must not leave our security in the hands of such people; their moral idiocy will be the death of them, and us!

83 Peeved  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:36:52am

On the bright side, however, most of the commenters were strongly opposed to his point of view.

84 goodbye_natalie  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:37:28am

Sounds like status quo Keith Olbermann...you sure this isn't off MSNBC?

85 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:41:10am

re: #63 MoonbatBane


I'd bet my bottom dollar that this asshole (sorry, Charles, lighter terms just don't fit) Clark is the same type of useless lowlife self-important worthless dictator-wannabe scumbag, and he'd end up the same way -- begging for help from those he helped oppress when he found out that he wouldn't be holding the whip...

They never learn, do they?

The first to go in Revolutions are always the "intellectuals" and journalists - anybody who can stand up and speak, and maybe even be respected. Any newly minted dictator's To-Do List is going to have "Imprison or kill those who might criticize me" in the top five.

"But this time will be different", they think. "Socialism hasn't really been tried yet". Yes, it's only failed in Afghanistan, Albania, Angola, Bolivia, Cambodia, China, Cuba, Czechoslovakia, East Germany, Estonia, Ethiopia, Hungary, Laos, Latvia, Mongolia, Nicaragua, North Korea, Poland, Romania, Russia, Slovakia, Venezuela, Vietnam, Yemen...

86 DIAMONDMASC  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:41:39am

I agree with zombie and several other posters, this intelluctually bankrupt moron is writing these things just because HE CAN!, convienently forgetting if he wrote something that was actually provocative (criticising islam maybe) he would be hunted down and killed in the most vile ways by his beloved "freedom fighters". god forbid that he actually go to iraq and interview some victims (oops, i mean collaborators) of the brave resistance, maybe he and the guy from the NYT should get together and start an anti war bridge club or something

87 Wishbone  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:43:48am

re: #81 Is it me?

Stop assuming these sorts of Meeja idiots are representative of the British people. You don't get to hear from us. It's like my saying that Obama and that Murtha bloke are the same as ALL of you. Not on people.

You're banging your head against a brick wall with that one fella. To those you feel your point applies to, objectivity and perspective are anathema. Leave them in their little bubbles of pseudo reality and save your breath mate; they don't want to listen.

88 Peeved  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:48:57am

His response to the comment are better than the article.

A sample:

dan hardie: don't accuse me of lack of concern for Iraqis, I went on several anti-war marches and risked arrest in protests against the war, as well as writing articles against the invasion. I care passionately about Iraqis, which is why I was so passionately against the war. But once the war starts, the idea that we all rally round and support the illegal invasion is preposterous. In short, it's an intellectual cop out to say that we oppose the war, but that we hope Britain and America are successful.

emp: mine

Wow, he is really a brave soul, is he not? What a complete and total *^%*^&!

89 Strike Hornet  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:51:05am

I am so tired of self-loathing leftist's...if you hate yourself that much, just jump off the nearest bridge for Kryss-sakes....such drama-queens...

90 bwohlgemuth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:51:44am

A little tidbit I posted on Mr. Clark's website....doubt it will be published, but I just had to ask...

Neil, where does the "Intervening in the internal matters of a foreign country" begin? Before you dismiss me as some sort of kook, I really want to understand this point.

Would Iranians who are providing information on the nuclear ambitions of that country to Western intelligence groups fall under the same category?

How about foreign workers who ignore their assigned censors and provide a different view of conditions within a "hostile" country?

In both cases, those people are taking risks to bring information to the world. While I do believe in national sovereignty, there has to be a line where internal issues become global humanitarian concerns.

I would like to hear your viewpoints on these matter.

91 Colt  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 10:54:51am

Given how Iraqi civil society is at best backwards and at worst barbaric, being called a traitor to that is hardly an insult.

Except, of course, when it is used by someone who fetishises that barbarism and their continued killing of British and American troops.

History tells us that down through history, Quislings have - surprise, surprise - not been well received, and the Iraqi people’s animosity towards those who collaborated with US and British forces is only to be expected.

Fortunately for Clark, Milne and others, Britons seem to buck that trend by not stringing up Guardian columnists.

92 wanumba  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:02:30am
The true heroes in Iraq are those who have resisted the invasion of their country

.
Well, that's true enough on its own. Resisting the imperialistic Iranians and Saudis who are making up a good number of the people trying to invade, to impose their own totalitarian governing, not bothering with the hard work of construction a viable Iraqi government, OF the Iraqis and FOR the Iraqis.

History tells us that down through history, Quislings have - surprise, surprise - not been well received.

A Nazi-sympathizing traitor would be either a Baathist-lover or Islamofascist fellow-traveller, which more closely parallels the Norweigian Quisling's aid to the overlord Nazis.

If that means some of them may lose their lives,
then the responsibility lies with those who planned and supported this wicked, deceitful and catastrophic war,


Nope, you tool, it'd be YOUR fault for bailing when it wasn't necessary NOR strategic NOR humane NOR sensible. Go back and look up the definition of "catastrophic." THe only true catastrophe was suffered by Saddam and his sons. ANd rightly so.

and not those of us who tried all we could to stop it.


"Us" ... "who tried all we could to stop it" ...?
WHat'd ya do to stop it? A sit in at your local expresso shop? Earnest wringing hands, furrowed brow? Whinging at a cocktail party? The time to have stopped SOME of this was to have REFUSED to RECOGNIZE Saddam Hussian's illegal government when he first took over Iraq in a COUP. Or maybe when Saddam invaded Iran, or when he invaded Kuwait. The other was to have pushed for the International Criminal Court in Brussels or whatever it is to arrest Bin Laden in what 1998? for declaring war on everyone.
That all would have helped.

93 Cygnus  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:20:35am

re: #70 lurking faith

Treasonous git.

What a wanker.

94 Joel  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:44:26am

The malignant depths that the British Left is capable of sinking is astounding. This guy is one sick motherless S.O.B.

95 bwohlgemuth  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:05:40pm

This guy is a real conservative!

Anti-War/Anti-Globalization
Anti-Privatization
Protect Rural England

He wants to keep things the "way they were". Isn't that the definition of "conservative"?

I want the "liberal" name back for those of us who want to world as a whole to prosper...

96 oilbertan  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:09:41pm

Stalin knew what to do with asshats like this moron; take him to the cellar and put a bullet in the back of his head. But then this idiot is probably a fan of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot et al. Just hates all anglos, himself included I imagine.

97 Daisy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:09:52pm

"... how would you view fellow Britons who worked for the forces of a foreign occupier, if Britain were ever invaded?"

Briton has been invaded by foreign forces ... and this guy is working for them.

BTW, Al Guardian has closed comments for this article.

98 Mardukhai  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:28:59pm

I liked the comments on the Neil Clark rant. Even Guardian readers hated this jerk. Check this one from dionesusreborn:

When Clark first started blogging here I just regarded him as naive fool, a Stalinist Colonel Blimp who longed for the bygone days of the Soviet Empire. It was amusing for a while but the joke really isn't funny more. He has no brains and he has no heart, please take him away.

Precisely.

99 Dirk Diggler  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:49:45pm

I wonder how Mr. Clark feels about the "true heroes" of Iraq in al-Anbar province and their cooperation with American forces?

Are they Quislings too?

100 armaros  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:57:48pm

Neil Clark is a Communist,
he regularly writes about how much he regrets communism left eastern europe and how they should have kept their systems and how much they re eroding as societies due to capitalism.
He even claimed that behavior of Hungarians has worsened due to the lack of communist dictatorship.

He is a lunatic and a delusional idiot.

just look up his other comments @ the guardian by looking here:

[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

101 Ezekiel2517  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 12:59:44pm

Time to pull the Tower of London out of mothballs. There's a gate into the tower by way of the river that has gone unused for far too long.

102 Strike Hornet  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:22:46pm

What is it with Moonbats with the last name Clark?

Richard Clark
Wesley Clark
Neil Clark

Geeez...

103 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:27:40pm

fellow lizards - please look the comments on that Guardian article. Neil Clark is certainly not representative of the entire left in Britain. He's part of the extreme Stalinist left (George Galloway is another example...)

104 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:30:07pm

re: #95 bwohlgemuth

i totally agree. as a free market libertarian , i really dont like the term "conservative" - it implies wanting to "conserve" the status quo, whereas i dont - i want flat tax, free markets, free speech and less government.

that in my view is "liberalism" in the classic sense of the word. it about bloody time we reclaimed that word.

105 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:32:34pm

re: #68 The Dajjal

indeed. the moonbats in the UK keep using the term "illegal" when PARLIAMENT VOTED ON THE DAMN THING!

so , in effect , they disregard parliaments final say on the matter - and thus parliamentary democracy.

106 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:38:18pm

michael totten interviews an iraqi interpreter

well worth reading - especially the bit where the iraqi says that nuking iraq is a possible solution! but it is truely heart wrenching in places - these guys are doing one hell of a dangerous job, all because they love America.

(when the war is over, we should do the decent thing and give guys like that full citizenship)

107 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:41:10pm

Neil Clark: what a PoS.

108 code red 21  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:42:14pm

How in the world can someone be that blind to what is happening around him? Maybe he thinks he'll rise to the top of the turd pile when the mooslims finish taking over England. And he shows his bravery by participating in anti-war marches, protected by the Bobbies no doubt in case someone says something mean to him, to show the Iraqis how much he cares. What a foolish little man.

109 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:43:10pm

re: #105 buzzdroid

so , in effect , they disregard parliaments final say on the matter - and thus parliamentary democracy.

Moonbats only recognize "international law" as promulgated by the tinpot hat wearing majority of the UN General Assembly.

110 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:45:39pm

re: #109 abu_garcia

dont i know it. and who the hell elected the UN?

111 buzzdroid  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:49:01pm

re: #107 abu_garcia

he'd better watch himself - the article is tantamount to "incitement of terrorism" or "aiding and abetting terrorism" - all of which carries a life sentence in the UK.

(i'm not in favour of those laws, being a ultra-free speecher, but that is the law in the uk right now)

but at the very least, i wouldnt like to be Neil Clark if he ever bumps into a bunch of British army squaddies in a pub. i'm sure they'll make their feelings very obvious to him....

112 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 1:52:24pm

re: #111 buzzdroid

but at the very least, i wouldnt like to be Neil Clark if he ever bumps into a bunch of British army squaddies in a pub. i'm sure they'll make their feelings very obvious to him....


I'd love to buy them a few rounds afterwards.

113 abu_garcia  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 2:00:28pm

re: #110 buzzdroid

dont i know it. and who the hell elected the UN?

Here's a good article on that line.
Snip

If the existence of a nation state is guaranteed by some external authority - whether by the United Nations or the United States - then it means that one of the chief incentives to a realistic policy, both domestic and foreign, has been removed from play.

To see this, think back to the old chaotic world in which the law of the jungle operated: here, if a state pursued a domestic or a foreign policy that was too grossly unrealistic, it would inevitably pay the price for doing so - it would be invaded, or annexed, or partitioned. And this meant that the price of any nation state's survival was the cultivation of a heightened sense of realism.

But this is no longer the case. Indeed, the current international arrangement might be compared to an economic system in which each business enterprise was assured of not going broke by a guarantee of a government subsidy in the face of financial insolvency. Would such a system be inclined to produce hard-nosed realism among the operators of these business enterprises, or would it rather induce them to pay less attention to the complaints of their customers, or the innovations of their competitors? And which kind of company would you prefer to work for? Or buy a product from?

The principle of self-determination in a world of perpetual peace may not in fact be the panacea for mankind's ills, but rather a means for prolonging these ills unnecessarily, by sanctioning a status quo of despotism and tyranny, by virtually underwriting the brutal caprice of petty dictators and by furthering the fantasies of ruthless fanatics. Self-determination at the level of the nation state may entail complete loss of freedom and dignity at the level of the individual - and all in the name of liberalism.

Harris points out that the liberal democracies have guaranteed existence and power to states that have not earned it. In my words, in the UN we have created a representative parliament controlled by a majority of fools and knaves.

114 Mohawkdaddy  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:01:44pm

Wow! That's a lot of bitterness and hate. All because Algore didn't win in 2000.

115 NeoKong  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 3:43:36pm

Wow...what a little ass-wipe that Clark guy is.
I understand guys like him and why they are so angry.
It's because there are many people willing to risk everything for a greater good and he could never have that courage.
He is jealous and furiously hates anyone who reminds him of his cowardice.
The truth about guys like him is there will never be a cause for which they would risk it all.

He is another Ward Churchill or a Paul Krugman from the New York Times.Flaming leftie.

I want to give this guy a super wedgie.

116 Ma Sands  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 4:48:20pm

That is not the first time the British have treated their friends in that manner......they did it to the Karen tribe, after WWII......

117 armaros  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 6:31:51pm

Wanna see something really foul from the Guardian s comment section?

Check out Johnathan Cook s little piece of Iranian propaganda.
This maggot asserts (in other writings) that Israel is orchestrating the "clash of civilizations" by promoting the "falsehood" of Antisemitism increase in Europe.
He uses this piece to illustrate how happy Jews are in Iran and how much they oppose Zionism.

then read the comments and see that even among the Left, this extreme bile no longer flies unless of course one is from the total extreme.
Iranians are regularly posting there with machine like methods propagating the nonsense their crazy president is parroting.
[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

Over here is Ian Williams a leftist journalist whom I exposed for having been on the UN payroll, my post was deleted but later others spoke out for me and i was allowed to post it back. Williams was denouncing Tony Blair for having been partially funded by the US SD ...that making him less credible as ME peace envoy.
[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

The discussion continued on his next thread where some brought up the issue.
[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]
He really didn't like being exposed for being a propagandist and childishly attacks all who dare bring it up.
There are a few of us monitoring this site, and as a liberal (in the classical sense) I used to like the Guardian until they got in bed with Islamists and Anti Semites like Ron Paul and Justin Raymondo to name a few.
There are also Canadians and Americans posting there in ways that the KOSists would be put to shame.
Myself and a couple of others constantly denounce the Anti Semitism present at this paper and to my surprise I have managed to inform some ignorant but well meaning souls.
It is really frightening how blatant and extreme the antisemitism can be on these pages and feel that it should be denounced at all times.
Jewish conspiracy theories, libels and alike are reminding me of what I only knew from history books.

118 armaros  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 7:20:11pm

here s another classic from Clark
[Link: commentisfree.guardian.co.uk...]

He wants revenge on those who supported the war.

119 EE  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:00:37pm

Neil Clark, of the Guardian, is expressing a view that is indistinguishable from that of the jihadis and their supporters. Those who are our allies, and the allies of the UK, are enemies as far as Neil Clark is concerned. And those who are our enemies, and the enemies of the UK, are the real heros as far as Neil Clark is concerned.

It appears that Neil Clark is, in effect, part of the political wing of the global jihad, spreading his agit-prop to support the goals of our enemies. Too much afraid to strap on a suicide vest himself, he nevertheless seeks to have the public idolize these terrorists.

120 siiras  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 8:55:40pm

Well, one doesn't have to imagine a hypothetical invasion. Britain is being invaded by Islamist type Muslims (who intend to colonize, terrorize and promote foreign sharia law rather than assimilate) and the entire government is acting as their "translators" and bum wipers. The general citizenry is not threatening either group.

The leftist Brit's pretence is tiresome: that Americans are imperialists (the most reluctant invaders ever who are longing to leave the armpit of the world, the Mid-East) and that the terrorist killers in Iraq are defenders of their nation, (when half are at least are as foreign to Iraq as the Americans and the other half are Hussein's dregs who want to regain their power and plunder).

The sickening Brit ignores the fact that his "freedom fighters, Iraqi and foreign, are managing to kill more Iraqi civilians, including women and children than Americans. Gee, can't remember American colonialists blowing up their own women and children in an effort to get the Brits to leave. No freedom fighter worthy of the name does such things.

121 norar  Fri, Aug 10, 2007 11:16:06pm

11 joncelli
" Oh, and what if -- and here's a thought that may never have occurred to this tool -- the translators did what they did because they wanted to assist those who liberated them from oppression?"

Don't you know that in the leftist universe liberation only comes from such crips, emmm .... freedom fighters, like Che, Arafat, Iraqi 'insurgents" or somesuch gloriouse murderers, but never from the volunteer based army of the democratic state?

122 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 2:49:11am

Didn't the UK hang Axis Sally and Lord Haw Haw after the second world war? I would suggest this douchebag needs some stretched neck therapy as well.

123 drk  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 3:55:28am

Funny how "collaborators" become "quislings" now that the sun has set on the British empire that had a policy of hiring "quislings" in all parts of their ex-empire.

In India for example - Sikhs, Gurkhas and other "warrior" castes were hired on by the British to fight and die for them.

Funny how comments are "normally closed after three days" but this one is closed today - I was going to say this on CiF and add my indignation to that that has poured out already ...

124 jaydee  Sat, Aug 11, 2007 5:23:30am

Bring back hanging, beggsee Neil Clark is first!


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