Death first.

Its raining freaks today.

God forbid.

Can we have Ayaan call him?

I think Charles posted this one so the last one wouldn't peg the comment meter. Keep us moving right along.

What a idiot the bishop is. He should know his prayers should be in Arabic not Indonesian!

Sigh.

What person in their right mind believes this CRAP ?

Perhaps a cartoon would be in order to explain this phenomena !

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

It's always the others that have to compromise for the Jihad.

I am very hypoglycemic right now...I must be hallucinating. Please tell me I am..can not believe what I think I am seeing. Please?

Maybe Muslims should pray to 'God', if that really is the English translation of Allah. Since the Dutch were in the Netherlands first, maybe the Muslims should substitute the Dutch word for God when they say Allah Ackbar.

of course, I'm reasonably sure that Allah, as worshipped by Muslims with conquest and blood sacrifice, and as described by Mohammad himself, is more likely the being described by Jesus as "The Father of All Lies".

Bishop Muskens says it could take another 100 years but eventually the name Allah will be used by Dutch churches.

Correction; with the good Bishop overseeing things, within 100 years, all Dutch Churches will have been converted to Mosques.

Amen to that, Sharmuta!

Outrageous nonsense, but hopefully it will jar a few Euros awake.

re: #8 nose

as a catholic human I feel it's my duty to call bullsh*t on this guy.

Either way.

Allah my ass.

I wonder if Pope Benedict will have anything to say about this.

/am I allowed to say "Pope"?

Alright, I'll paste it here (my words, as a comment on Gates of Vienna, to which I linked on last thread):

Arabic-speaking Jews and Christians have always used, and never had a problem with, "Allah" as the name for God. They tell me it's the exact equivalent of the English proper-name, capital-G God, which in turn has a Hebrew equivalent, while there is another word, "ilah", meaning just "a god" or "a deity"; and "al-Rabb", meaning "the Lord", is often used for the four-letter name.

"Allah", unlike the four-letter name and some others that come up in the Bible, isn't a specific name, just as English "God" isn't. In one of my posts, I actually did a jab at Islam with it, speaking of "the battle for the One True Allah" (here) and "all those who truly worship Allah love life" (here). But I admit that, since I don't write in Arabic, those uses were artificial.

And that's the problem here: while the Arabic-speaking Jews' and Christians' use of "Allah" is a natural result of their language, just as the German uses "Gott" and the Italian uses "Dio", the call for English-speakers to use "Allah" instead of "God" is not. Rather, this call fits in with the Islamic convert's path of learning Arabic, using Arabic terms for religious concepts and changing his name to an Arabic name. This isn't just about speaking a different language, therefore using "Allah" just like a Russian uses "Bokh"--this is about the basic Arab imperialism of Islam.

And that is why this is an insidious move.

can we just pray he goes away and takes his believers with him?

you'd think a dutchman would know better at this point.

Bishop Muskens proposal will undoubtedly receive a warm welcome from the Islamic community in the Netherlands.

They'll probably still riot saying "it's about time!"

re: #15 Sharmuta

re: #8 nose

as a catholic human I feel it's my duty to call bullsh*t on this guy.

Either way.

no, as a human, it's your right...

As a Catholic you may tell the bishop I said-
Yo, bishop-go scratch your ass.
Catholic school girl for 16 years.

All pews in the Netherlands should face Mecca.

Used to be Christians went to their death rather than renounce their faith.

The Dutch should learn to get on spontaneously with different cultures, religions and behaviour patterns

Is that liberalspeak for we should just surrender our own culture to an immigrant minority? Imagine the yelling and carrying on that would occur if we demanded that "God" or "Christ" be used interchangeably in Saudi mosques.

The Dutch should learn to get on spontaneously with different cultures, religions and behaviour patterns

Cool, when does he become polygamous or starts animal sacrifices or hacking on the genitals of women in the name of being spontaneous.

Never Never NEVER!

Death before forced conversions...

WTF...

Has the whole world gone INSANE?

It will be interesting to see if the Vatican opines on this nonsense. As an institution the RC Church has some real credibility issues. Allowing this to go unchecked would not help.

I believe that part of his claim is correct.
Christian churches will not be permitted to use the term of God, except in cursing.
At least after the surrender to the Islamic Supremacist forces now being encouraged by the secular authorities in the EU.
It is like a football team's coach discussing how they will support the opposing team's victory press conference.
Next season, and in perpetuity thereafter (since after next season their team will just surrender without even taking the field as will be codified by secular law).
With the local nature of the Dane-geld example, one would have hoped for better from them.

The "good bishop" should be defrocked instead of retired. Over my dead body I will call YHWH by the name of old stand masquerading as a moongod.

While we're at it, removing all the crosses from the churches will also be welcomed enthusiastically by the Muslim community. Then, to encourage rapprochement between religions, we can re-orient all the pews to face toward Mecca.

While it is true that certain rites in the Catholic refer to God as Allah, it certainly hasn't lessened the persecution of the Christian believers in those cultures. In light of this fact, among other reasons, the bishop has a rather idiotic idea in his head; thinking that changing the name of God is going to bring peace and harmony to the world.

re: #16 MandyManners

Allah my ass.

All of it?

re: #27 Capt_Faust

WTF...
Has the whole world gone INSANE?

Yes.

re: #8 nose

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

As a lapsed Catholic, I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy, as well.

Hells Bells, anyone who considers themselves a civilized human should be calling bullshit on this guy!

re: #23 Killgore Trout

All pews in the Netherlands should face Mecca.

#32 zombie
we can re-orient all the pews to face toward Mecca.

Curse you!

Why would he want Christians praying to the devil?

re: #37 zombie

;)

Call the priests Imams while you're at it .

Wow, holy crap. Some people welcome submission and defeat.

why is it everyone BUT the islamists need to change to accommodate others?

This catholic bishop is a complete idiot. The lack of oxygen to the vacuum between his ears is clearly evident. he has his head so far up his butt that he strangles himself every time he strains.

Tiny Muskens

Is that his name, or a description?

Amsterdam is this century's Rome. Look for the fall soon.

This all points to the view that the stereotypical muslim immigrant is a barely repressed homicidal maniac just waiting to be triggered. It is thus encumbent on non muslims to change in every possible way for fear of what that aforementioned homicidal maniac may do.

As a former missionary kid in a Muslim nation, we distinguished between Allah and God, Ghodah in Farsi. The reason being in Muslim theology there is one god and the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim faiths are on the same line with Mohammed having the final word in the word from the one god.

In order to create the distinction between the God and teaching of Christianity and that of Islam we did not concede that the god of Allah and the God of Christianity were the same. Hence we would not use the term Allah for god.

First they came for the little words like allah for God. Next, they came for my bathroom. Then they came for my dresses and Wonder Hat™ and gave me a burqa garbage bag.

/It's not paranoia, it's da'wah.

The subversives should lead the way.
Instead of Karl Marx they should say "the prophet muhammed".

/Oooops, they already do !

By his own logic, Muslims in the Netherlands should pray to whatever the Dutch church calls God. To promote healing and tolerance. And Muslims in Israel should pray to Adonai. To promote healing and tolerance. Let's please be consistent...and tolerant.

...and the holy water founts shall become footbaths, verily.

Dumbass.

If you want to play the appeasement game, why not have all Catholics pray to Allah, but only after declaring that "there is no other God but Allah and Mohammed is his prophet"?

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

TO: Bishop Tiny Muskens
RE: Okay...

...tell us how dhimmitude works in Indonesia.

Regards,

Chuck(le)

You know what this Cathedral needs? Foot washing stations!*

* maybe a meditation room, some carpet.

I hearby nominate Tiny Muskens as a candidate for idiotarian of the year.

It's only a matter of time before these left wing loonies demand we save trees by using our left hand after we have a dump and people wonder why attendance at Mass has fallen to record lows.

re: #44 maddogg

My thoughts exactly, you beat me to it. The man has tiny muskens indeed.

It seems to me that this bishop has been conversing with a certain Seattle-area Episcopalian "priestess" who says that she is both a Christian and a muslim, and that both are equally valid and not in conflict.

The western world, meet your doom...

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/20 03751274_redding17m.html

How about Muslims start praying to Jehovah?

The Dutch, like other Euros, have long been into just giving in- somehow they haven't learned it doesn't work.

re: #1 Sharmuta
Completely agree.

Is it too much to ask for a Christian church that actually stands for something in its own interests, these days? I would hope this would outrage the Church! (In a perfect world, telegraph from Pope Benedict XVI to Bishop Muskens: "Clean our your desk.") Bishop Muskens is either the most naive fool to ever wear the robes or has has a lobotomy. Praying to Allah? Has he never read his Bible? I don't even know where to begin...

He might as well proscribe proactive Christian beheadings. You know, so that we can all get along.

Muskens says it could take another 100 years but eventually the name Allah will be used by Dutch churches. And that will promote rapprochement between the two religions. ...

100 Years?

Come on, Tiny! Don't be so modest!

With the ever-increasing outflow of native Dutch emmigrants and the high Dutch Muslim birthrate, give it another 25 years at the most.

(I, myself, pray to Allah everytime I am pray and get put on hold...)

The Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, wants people to start calling God Allah. He says the Netherlands should look to Indonesia, where the Christian churches already pray to Allah.

I read a personal testimony from a former Muslim who converted to Christianity by praying to all of the gods he could think of, and after each prayer, he would wait for an answer. No one answered except Jesus. He said Allah didn't answered him, buddha didn't answered him, but as soon as he mentioned the name of Jesus, the Holy Spirit invaded his room and filled him with such love, he wept bittery. He said he heard a man say, "I am Jesus. What would you like to ask me?"

Pray to Allah? Might as well call him satan.

"Tiny Muskens"? Didn't he used to play second base for the Brewers?

re: #17 littleoldlady

I wonder if Pope Benedict will have anything to say about this.

If his track record is any indication, he'll start by doing the right thing--defrocking and/or excommunicating this scumbag--and then quickly cave and promote him to archbishop.

re: #58 dentate

ROTFLROPMAO!

re: #42 trailortrash

why is it everyone BUT the islamists need to change to accommodate others?

Exactly. WHY? This stuff, along with the muslim footbaths, prayer rooms at tax dollar expense, etc. is so maddening! AARGH!

Bishop Muskens proposal will undoubtedly receive a warm welcome from the Islamic community in the Netherlands.

Bishop Muskens proposal will undoubtedly receive a "Get your ass to the Vatican and explain this!" message from Pope Benedict.

Ham & cheese sandwiches and Piglet to be banned in the Netherlands next.

I would just like to say thank you to Charles for not deleting my post at #1.

/I stand by it.

re: #41 Pyrocles

Wow, holy crap.

Precisely -- "holy crap"

I wonder how Muslims would react if we insisted they use the term "Jesus" instead of "Allah"?

re: #71 Sharmuta

delete?
It's not violent.
Just shorthand for "Here I stand".

Who is that 'Mosqued man'^TM?

This is taking appeasement to a whole new level...way to go Bish...a good swift kick in the nonexistants should attempt to remedy things...

Theologically, what this idiot Catholic Bishop is suggesting amounts to blasphemy because Islam denies the Crucifixion and Resurrection of Christianity; it's no surprise to people who know the history of the Middle East that conquered and dhimmified peoples adopted the word 'allah' (which is not Arabic in origin) to refer to a deity.

This little notion is catching on and being pushed in London: after the absurdity of 'proclaiming the 99 names of allah' in Westminster Cathedral, London, I read in the Daily Telegraph's weekly religious piece an attempt to pretend we're all worshipping the same moon god. These are the ways in which I think the real danger of Islam is spread: not from the Moslems themselves, but from the fools who think such word games are part of 'inter-faith' dialogue and the road to 'peace.'

Moslems know quite well what's really going on. Dhimmification.

re: #73 GregInSeattle

Well, if a Muslim religious leader in an Islamic country publically called for that, there would probably be calls for his death.

I wonder how Muslims would react if we insisted they use the term "Jesus" instead of "Allah"?

Or Yahweh.

Hmmm. This 'priest' must not believe in the Divinity of Christ.

I pray to Allah that the good people of the Netherlands reject the advice of Bishop Tiny Munchkin.

"The Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens . . ." Good name. Apropos for this mouse of a man.

Obviously, he has not kept abreast of the situation in Indonesia since his departure 30 years ago. Most Christian communities live in constant fear of jihad, the result of a passive central government, unable (or unwilling) to protect them (e.g., Spice Islands).

re: #71 Sharmuta

'morning sharmuta.

sounds like you were not calling for the death of others...more a death before dishonor comment.

Amon-Ra ?
Zeus ?
The Tathagatagarbha ?
The Orixas ?

Why one name only ? Why an arab name ?

I feel he's a RACIST.

This guy Muskens reminds me of Edward G. Robinson in The Ten Commandments, who, while Moses was away, talked the people into making the golden calf to worship. His soul is in serious mortal danger.

re: #77 looking closely

re: #73 GregInSeattle

Well, if a Muslim religious leader in an Islamic country publically called for that, there would probably be calls for his death.

Probably?
We'd be reading about how said leader had "died of thirst..."

re: #18 ZionistYoungster

Right on!

As a member of a Middle-Eastern Christian Church, I often pray Allah (and to Walidita Alilah, too) but this is COMPLETELY different. Sickening.

Don't people realize that no matter how many concessions you make to these people- no matter how nice you are to them- they won't stop until we're either moslems, slaves, or dead.

re: #56 maddogg

I hearby nominate Tiny Muskens as a candidate for idiotarian of the year.

Seconded.

Tiny Muskens = Giant ASSHAT!

re: #72 jonturner

Yeah, that patch must've been some holy shi-ite indeed.

Oops, wrong thread.

The ignorance and utter cowardliness is amazing. I got to sit down after hearing this tripe. He is another lamb that has gone astray having only a shell for religion and a seared conscience for spirituality it is easy to error in favor of the evil before their eyes.

If Allah really exists he is the devil.

The leaders and shepherds of this world continue to guide us in a spiral down to the new dark ages.

re: #82 dr. akim ullsheetbay

re: #71 Sharmuta

'morning sharmuta.

sounds like you were not calling for the death of others...more a death before dishonor comment.

It's martyrdom in the truest sense of the word, choosing death over betrayal of one's faith.

re: #71 Sharmuta

Appropriate use of the word 'first'.

re: #53 Fjordman

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

incorrect, vatican 2 described that like christianity, islam was monothesitic; in that they worship one god; not that their god and the catholic god were the same. it's a popular assumption that the text was indeed to have that conclusion drawn, but check with someone that's studied v2 and there's plenty of doubt there. it's like saying, hey, we both have faces...we've got stuff in common.

re: #86 downingroove

Don't people realize that no matter how many concessions you make to these people- no matter how nice you are to them- they won't stop until we're either moslems, slaves, or dead.

Or dhimmi. Like slaves only more costly.

re: #59 The Jinxmedic

It seems to me that this bishop has been conversing with a certain Seattle-area Episcopalian "priestess" who says that she is both a Christian and a muslim

Thanks for the interesting link. I just read the whole thing.

Not only is she both a Christian and a Muslim, she's both an idiot and a buffoon.

(Sniff sniff) I smell a lemming.

Ya know, I don't mind if they want to dive head first into the chipper/shredder. I do mind that they insist on dragging me in with them.

Muskens doesn't expect his idea to be greeted with much enthusiasm. The 71-year-old bishop, who will soon be retiring due to ill health

Ain't that a shame. Wonder what the new Bishop will have to say about this. Sadly, he'll probably just fall in line.

#18 ZionistYoungster got it just right.
You may now spike a ball in the endzone, but no dancing.

I wonder if the bishop knows Kent Brockman?

Christians pray to allah? I think not. allah is der teufel.

re: #53 Fjordman

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

All of the above being ironic in the extreme considering The Crusades were fought to protect Europe from the intrusion of Islam and it's adherents I mean heretics.

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #56 maddogg

I hearby nominate Tiny Muskens as a candidate for idiotarian of the year.

Seconded.

Ron Paul will whip his ass!

re: #86 downingroove

It's clear that the Tiny bishop would feel better in Mosquens than in cathedrals.

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Flossie has just dropped below major (category 3) strength, but is still expected to bring sustained tropical storm force winds to much of the island of Hawaii, with hurricane force gusts on the South coast and in exposed locations at elevation.

Flooding rains also possible.

Of course, next week this time y'all will be wishing for neon flashing posts as Hurricane Dean approaches the Bahamas on its way to Florida.

Dean is just a Tropical Storm now, but easterly shear is weakening, and the waters grow ever warmer.

Not sure how they'll manage, with 4 WC-130Js in Hawaii (well, one is inside Flossie) and 3 deploying to St. Croix to start flying into Tropical Storm Dean on Thursday, but I guess they still have an older H model WC-130 Hercules, and should depart to see if this Gulf disturbance is Tropical Depression #5 or Tropical Storm Erin. Assuming it develops, a NOAA WP-3D Orion, a 35 year old relic, will fly a center fix tomorrow as the USAFR 53rd WRS is getting low in assets.

I wonder where The Weather Channel's on air meteorologist Captain Nicole Mitchell and Lieutenant Colonel Warren Madden are. The are both reserve flight meteorologists, and as busy as the 53rd WRS is, I wonder if they've been called to do more than their regular two week summer stint.

Recall that the most senior hurricane forecaster at NHC, CDR Stacy Stewart, was called back to active duty in the Navy, and is now assigned to train Iraqi recruits and escorting convoys outside Baghdad. His reserve duty was with the JTWC in Honolulu, allowing him to claim to be the only man in the world who actively tracks tropical cyclones in every basin in the world.

BTW, check out Stewart's biceps. That dude must lift some serious weights.

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WRF model, on crack, suggests a hurricane tomorrow night near Matagorda Bay.

The WRF has issues, however.

GFS is a TD or barely tropical storm near BRO. While the GFS may be a hair too weak, it is probably closer to the answer with Tropical Disturbance 91L/potential TD #5 or T.S. Erin.

SHIPs model shows a 45 knot minor tropical storm. Which would be a good thing. This streak of 100° F days (over 38&degC) is getting old, even for me. Maybe because the AC was broken over the weekend, and I got my fill.

GFDL model similar to SHIPs, about 45 knots, with landfall South of CRP.

Concerning T.S. Dean, Canadian 12Z run hooks it North so it doesn't commit seppeku over Hispañola, then a turn back West to menace Florida. Dean won't be a hurricane til tomorrow night.

Latest 12Z GFS misses Florida to the South, and hits Matagorda Bay with a big hurricane the end of next week, but I believe that is wrong, and Florida is the target.

re: #95 zombie

"Both an Idiot and Bufoon!" ROTFLMAO!

#59: I generally like Christianity, but I sometimes wonder whether its greatest flaw is that it is quite poor at dealing with Muslims. Islam seems almost perfectly constructed for exploiting the structural flaws of Christianity. I've noticed that Catholics tend to be worst, but many Christians of all denominations, Protestant and Orthodox, and sometimes even Jews, seem to share this idea about "Abrahamic religions," a shared monotheist community with fellow men of faith etc.

I absolutely agree, and Catholics should stop talking so much about Jesus to get along with Jews better.

Look what happened to the thread with all this talking about praying to allah...

“Someone like me has prayed to Allah yang maha kuasa (Almighty God) for eight years in Indonesia and other priests for 20 or 30 years. In the heart of the Eucharist, God is called Allah over there, so why can’t we start doing that together?”

Gee, let me think...because allah(am) promotes raping, pilliaging and murder where the christian God does not.

Someone like you is going to burn for the whole 'false god' thing anyway, so STFU and enjoy your time here on earth.

Gag. When did religion become ala carte?

"I'll take guilt and self-loathing from Column A...and a little woman-hating and superiority complex from Column B please."

It's enough to give me a bad case of "fright".

re: #53 Fjordman

what in the hell were they smoking?

if allah (crap be upon it) is the one true God, then what about the rapist prophet?

reportedly, the Bishop's favorite song is " Allah Along The Watchtower " by Dhimmi Hendrix.

This priest doesn't sound like a very good Catholic.

Er... yep. There's one bishop with a one-way ticket to excommunication. Buhbye, and goood riddance.

Tiny. What an effin' name.

Story of appeasement.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

re: #93 nose

Right. It's the difference between the actual documents of Vatican II, versus the liberal "in the spirit of Vatican II", which amounts to a hijacking of Vatican II, in order to get what they want (like the "Pizza and Pepsi" Masses on the '70s.

re: #55 Peacekeeper

i was thinking maybe some of those catholic schools girls, after all if we are going to now follow allah(crap be upon it), why not all the way.

[Symbiont here, Les is apparently speechless at the moment.]

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

of the '70s.

PIMF

Man I' m almost ashamed to be 100% DUTCH!
But I'm Dutch Protestant...!Nah, Nah , Nah!
That guy's an IDIOT!

re: #111 Fat Tone

woah, christians, muslims, jehovah's witnesses and jimi hendrix all in one blow.

He's going to have to realign the cathedral nave to mecca to pray.

The Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, wants people to start calling God Allah. He says the Netherlands should look to Indonesia, where the Christian churches already pray to Allah. It is also common in the Arab world: Christian and Muslim Arabs use the words God and Allah interchangeably.

Message for this kook Bishop,

Christins don't pray to allah, or they are not Christians.

Add another idol to his collection.

re: #76 Cry of defiance and not of fear

it's no surprise to people who know the history of the Middle East that conquered and dhimmified peoples adopted the word 'allah' (which is not Arabic in origin) to refer to a deity.

Indeed. "allah" isn't the arabic word for "God"- it's "illah".

la ilaha illa-llah- there is no God but allah. So it's not that he wants to use a foreign word for God, he wants allah by name!

From Catholic World News..not his first muck up, and the comments are excellent.

re: #112 Ringo the Gringo

This priest doesn't sound like a very good Catholic.

He's not, he's a touchy-feely "in the spirit of Vatican II" type. IMHO.

I thought , no wait, I didn't.

Wow, even the clergy in post-Christian / secular Europe are post-Christian.

I bet Tiny Muskens would say that Muslim footbaths could also serve as baptismal fonts.

Damn, people from the Netheregions are weird.

Maybe we are mis-translating him? Maybe we don't speak "freaky-deaky Dutch?"

Anywho, it's good that Goldfinger found something to do with his time.

re: #92 NY Nana

That must be it. :)

re: #127 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Wow, even the clergy in post-Christian / secular Europe are post-Christian.

LOL

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

Ward, Vatican II is a double edged sword at best. It brought the Catholic church into the 20th century in some ways, but is still stuck in the Middle Ages in many others.

IMO, I would prefer to go back to the Latin and the stricter rules. There wasn't a huge number of priests quitting the priesthood to marry pre-Vatican II (as far as I know).

re: #101 Peacekeeper

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #56 maddogg

I hearby nominate Tiny Muskens as a candidate for idiotarian of the year.

Seconded.

Ron Paul will whip his ass!

Ohhh~!
Maybe we can sell tickets to Idiotarian OTY like they do WWF or whatever they're calling themselves these days:

RON PAUL!
U-U-U-UJaama!
TINY MUSKENS!
M KOS M!
Nancy "P-Hag" Pelosi!~!

Special Cage Match Featuring:
The Flying Imans!

Saturday!
Saturday!
when?
Saturday!

re: #105 Fjordman

I think that's generally the liberals in the Church speaking (with some exceptions).

re: #129 sifty

Hey!
Lay off the Dutch They used to be an amazing people.
Both grand parents were born there!
LOL

re: #128 Kreuzueber Halbmond

I bet Tiny Muskens would say that Muslim footbaths could also serve as baptismal fonts.

Those are footbaths? I thought they were urinals. Oops. ;)

re: #127 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Wow, even the clergy in post-Christian / secular Europe are post-Christian.

Pope Benedict ain't. And he is the only one that really matters.

Hold me closer Tiny Muskens/count the headlights on the highway/...

ok I'm done cracking myself up. sorry

re: #103 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
No kidding, those are some big guns! and according to the article he's 52 years old? Inspiring!
I loved his quote:

''I am not a warmonger and I don't want people to take this statement wrong or out of context,'' he said in an interview conducted by e-mail. "But as I have told my superiors many times, I am enjoying myself immensely doing what I am doing."

THAT is the spirit of the American soldier.

re: #53 Fjordman

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

The second vatican council will be the death of Catholicism. Many many Catholics have become what we refer to as "The Evil Trads." They attend the old masses in Latin, don't eat meat on Friday, women cover their heads in church, etc, etc. Believe that Vatican II was a horrific mistake replete with heresy and sinful instruction. The priests after V-II are not considered priests, the host (called "the cookie in the paw") and the novus ordo (new order) mass are considered invalid. All of this comes back to haunt the new church when some dimwit bishop says something stupid and clearly wrongheaded. They asked for this and they got it. There are more and more evil trads every week-I have found that the number of trad masses is increasing all the time. (In my parish they have doubled in one year and now are the majority masses, and always jammed.)

If B-16 doesn't come down on this twit like a ton of bricks he should turn in his papal staff and retire.

OT:

Obama: US Needs to Stop Air-Raiding Villages & Killing Civilians...

This guy is a complete tool...

re: #17 littleoldlady

I wonder if Pope Benedict will have anything to say about this.

/am I allowed to say "Pope"?

I wonder too.

/You weren't deleted- I think "Pope" is okay.

Does the Pope know about this?

/the Bishop of Breda is obviously out of his [expletive deleted] mind

I can't pray to allah because I don't believe allah is God--more like a terrorist than God.
Professor Augustus H. Strong makes an accurate assessment in his "Systematic Theology" when he declares that Islam "is heathenism in monotheistic form." 

Mohammad grew up in Mecca in Arabia, belonging to the Quraysh tribe, in charge of idol worship at the Kabah shrine, containing the black stone and at least 360 idols. The word for god or idol in Arabic is "ilah."

According to ancient archeological evidence, Allah was the name for the main idol worshiped in Mecca. The name was probably originally derived from the two Arabic words "al" and "ilah", meaning "the god" or "the idol." therefore, as we can see, Mohammad did not set the foundation for a 'new' religion, he simply took the chief deity within the pantheon in Arabia, and made it the only god, while keeping the original pagan practices associated with this idol worship.

Allah was also used as THE PERSONAL NAME among the Arabs for the moon god.  Its symbol was the crescent moon found on many idols from pre-Islamic Arabia and it has special significance among all of the Arab nations. The symbol is included on their national flags and official stationary even to this day. 

Every year, these early Islamist idol whorshippers made a pilgrimage to Mecca, to worship Allah at the black stone. They were taught to turn and pray towards Mecca several times a day and that for one month every year, beginning and ending with the crescent moon, that month was dedicated to fasting. All of these traditions, and religious duties were "grafted" by Mohammad into the current Islam practiced by Muslims today. 

As stated earlier, Mohammad had built upon and added to all of these already known forms of idol worship. The only thing that was new was that Mohammad declared the pagan moon deity "Allah" to be the only true god and forbade the worship of all the other idols in Mecca. The basic confession within Islam is, "Allah is greater [greater than all the other idols].  There is no god but Allah and Mohammad is his prophet." 

These teachings are of course in complete contradiction to the basic message about the one and true God found in the Bible, both in the Old and the New Testament, where idol worship is strictly forbidden. Abraham was chosen to leave cult worship surrounding the moon god in Ur of the Chaldeans, to go to a different land, in order to give mankind the revelation about the 'One' God. 

To confuse the issue, Mohammad declared that Allah is the god of the Jews and the Christians. Noah, Abraham, Moses and Jesus were all prophets sent by Allah. Since Mohammad's beliefs did not agree with the Scriptures, Mohammad declared that the Jews and the Christians have changed and perverted the Scriptures!

Therefore Allah has rejected them and cursed them and has sent Mohammad to replace the Bible with the Koran; and to replace Judaism and Christianity with Islam. It is therefore the religious duty of Islam to subjugate and destroy the infidels, the Christians and the Jews. Ironicaly, Islam, in Judaic/Christian terms, could therefore be Satan's most powerful and successful plan to destroy the true faith in the God of the Bible.
[Link: www.ccnews.org...]

I often joke that the world will change its views re the Jews and the Temple Mount (to the Jews should indeed level the mosque and rebuild the Temple) once the Muslims lay claim to the Vatican and build a mosque there. Apparently that shift will not occur as priests are actually laying the cornerstone for Al-Imam Peter's (PBUH) Mosque right now.

Well, the Musselman may claim to be descended from Abraham, but even they admit it was by the slave woman Hagar and her bastard som Ishmael.

Going further back than that, I am pretty sure Muslims do not believe that their Creator made them in his image.

Matter of fact, I seem to recall there is an Islamic teaching that "Allah made ginn and Man to be his servants".

Begging the question, why does an all powerful (supposedly) deity need servants?

if God is now allah (crap be upon it)

it is God the Father?
God the Son?
God the Holy Spirit?

the link that Fjordman sent about the 2nd Vatican conf. said muslims pray to the one God, but the Catholic God is made of three parts, Father, Son, Holy Spirit.

If we all pray to Allah, we will all get along fabulously. Why, just look at how well the Shiites and Sunnis get along.

ROPMA!

For what it's worth, the Dutch have an incredibly talented soccer club named Ajax which basically takes kids in from birth and turns them into soccer gods.

re: #130 Sharmuta

Bet it is! You win First Prize!

re: #138 sifty

Just a matter of time before someone queues up Billy Joel's "Only the Good Die Young"...

Death before dhimmitude!

So, let me get this straight: A Catholic Bishop wants his flock to pray to Allah, which is the name of a pre-Islamic moon diety that Mohammed chose for his god to get the Medina priesthood on his side. OK then, the Catholic faith is out of the closet as pagan. Interesting development.

re: #140 mrsoc

re: #53 Fjordman

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

The second vatican council will be the death of Catholicism. Many many Catholics have become what we refer to as "The Evil Trads." They attend the old masses in Latin, don't eat meat on Friday, women cover their heads in church, etc, etc. Believe that Vatican II was a horrific mistake replete with heresy and sinful instruction. The priests after V-II are not considered priests, the host (called "the cookie in the paw") and the novus ordo (new order) mass are considered invalid. All of this comes back to haunt the new church when some dimwit bishop says something stupid and clearly wrongheaded. They asked for this and they got it. There are more and more evil trads every week-I have found that the number of trad masses is increasing all the time. (In my parish they have doubled in one year and now are the majority masses, and always jammed.)

If B-16 doesn't come down on this twit like a ton of bricks he should turn in his papal staff and retire.

You go to Mel Gibson's rejectionist Catholic splinter church, by chance?

OT:

Rizzuto, Yankee Hall of Famer, dies at age 89

PHIL RIZZUTO: 1917-2007

Phil Rizzuto, a baseball Hall of Famer who won seven World Series titles with the New York Yankees, has died at 89. "The Scooter" was the 1950 American League MVP, and followed his playing career with a 40-year stint in the Yankees' broadcast booth.

NAME: Philip Francis Rizzuto.

NICKHAME: The Scooter.

BORN: Sept. 25, 1917; DIED: Aug. 14, 2007

BIRTHPLACE: Brooklyn, N.Y.

PLAYING CAREER: A total of 13 seasons with New York Yankees, interrupted by three seasons when he was in the U.S. Navy. A sure-handed shortstop, prolific leadoff man who helped lead the Yankees to seven World Series titles.

BROADCASTING CAREER: Spent 40 years calling Yankees games. Famous for his attention to birthdays, get-well wishes and his between-innings cannolis. He is most famous for his signature phrase, "Holy Cow!" used whenever a great play was made.
FAMILY: Wife Cora Anne Esselborn, daughters Cindy Rizzuto, Patricia Rizzuto and Penny Rizzuto Yetto; son Phil Rizzuto Jr.; and two granddaughters.

HONORS: Most Valuable Player in 1950. Elected to Baseball Hall of Fame in 1994.

re: #141 WeaselZipper

What a maroon.

Me thinks that Tiny may be properly named (Between the ears...)

Maybe he's got a choice mullah gig lined up and in intrigued with the 72 raisens...

re: #141 WeaselZipper

OT:

Obama: US Needs to Stop Air-Raiding Villages & Killing Civilians...

This guy is a complete tool...

Nah, he knows who votes in early state Demonratic primaries and caucuses (cauci?). Remember, Ned Lamont beat Joe Liebermann when it was just Demonrats voting.

re: #132 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #115 Ward Cleaver

Ward, Vatican II is a double edged sword at best. It brought the Catholic church into the 20th century in some ways, but is still stuck in the Middle Ages in many others.

IMO, I would prefer to go back to the Latin and the stricter rules. There wasn't a huge number of priests quitting the priesthood to marry pre-Vatican II (as far as I know).

Yes, there was more reverence before Vatican II and the Novus Ordo Mass. Also, boys who would grow up to be priests don't get the same kind of support from their families and others to pursue a vocation to the priesthood that they dis, say, 50 years ago. Back then, a mother and father would beam with pride if they had a son who wanted to be a priest. But now, with even many Catholic families having only a couple of children, it's "but what about grandchildren?".

Also, with the increasing materialism, and sexualization of our culture, the pull of "the world" is greater than it used to be.

re: #149 bosforus
What do ya mean for what it's worth?
Study some Dutch history and you'll find they were at
the cutting edge of science,engineering, ship building ...etc..
Need I go on...

re: #105 Fjordman

#59: I generally like Christianity, but I sometimes wonder whether its greatest flaw is that it is quite poor at dealing with Muslims. Islam seems almost perfectly constructed for exploiting the structural flaws of Christianity. I've noticed that Catholics tend to be worst, but many Christians of all denominations, Protestant and Orthodox, and sometimes even Jews, seem to share this idea about "Abrahamic religions," a shared monotheist community with fellow men of faith etc.

Many moonbatty Christians and Jews I know believe, in all sincerity, that "Allah" and "God" are one and the same. It's the most common left-wong religious view.

That's been the thrust of the entuire career of Karen Armstrong as well.

re: #148 bitsy

If we all pray to Allah, we will all get along fabulously. Why, just look at how well the Shiites and Sunnis get along.

ROPMA!

Dear Allah,

Please protect me from your followers,

In the name of Kofi An... Ban Ki-Moon, Amen.

re: #156 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

re: #141 WeaselZipper

What a maroon.

Don't insult the Maroons...

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

re: #17 littleoldlady

I wonder if Pope Benedict will have anything to say about this.

/am I allowed to say "Pope"?

Why on earth wouldn't you be?

Even the most die-hard Atheist or Muslim would still agree that the man actually is "The Pope" (ie fair and square, that's his title).

re: #160 reloadingisnotahobby

Actually, the Dutch are the inventors of Modern Capitalism.
And Amsterdam was the financial capital of Europe during the 1600s.

re: #70 NJDhockeyfan

Ham & cheese sandwiches and Piglet to be banned in the Netherlands next.

No doubt.

I'll meet him halfway and promise to utter Allahdamnit whenever I'm around ROPers.

Did you all see this?

Gaza prison offers unique incentives

Inmates in Gaza's main prison now can shave a year off their sentences if they grow a beard and memorize five chapters from the Koran.

...

The new rules are part of the fast-spreading Islamization of the Gaza Strip since Hamas militants seized control of the territory two months ago.

Is anybody still talking about "two states living side-by-side in peace"?

I think we should use "Adonai Eloheinu melech haolam" to refer to the Creator and Ruler of the universe. "Adonai" alone would suffice. After all, it has been in use longer than "God" or "Allah."

If the Catholics has been as "tolerant" back in 1492 as they now seem to be given the Bishop's statements, I would be living in Spain and speaking Ladino.

Who on earth is this Bishop?
Why doesn't he call on the Muslims to spontaniously worship with the Christians and become all fluffy, warm and tolerant.

I'm waiting...

I'm still waiting...

I said I'M WAITING!

Oh, b*gger it - d*amn reality set in

SEND IN THE BADGERS!

Unbelievable. I think the Muslims should pray to the Christian God as a good will gesture. Why is that everyone but the Muslims are tolerant?

Juan Cole is at it again.

What a tool.

In particular,check out his email exchange with this blogger.

I'm already trying to think of ways to include it when I smash my thumb while doing home repairs...

OUCH ! ... ALLAH daxx it !

It just doesn't roll off the tongue as you might think it would.

Or rather ... Prophet Allah daxx it !

Gee... I'm getting confused... might need to hold back the liquor more when doing home repairs.

Pope Urban II is rolling in his catacomb.

re: #160 reloadingisnotahobby

i wasn't meaning to imply that soccer was the only thing the dutch are or were good at. i apologize for the confusion.

#144 katt

Ironicaly, Islam, in Judaic/Christian terms, could therefore be Satan's most powerful and successful plan to destroy the true faith in the God of the Bible.

Absolutely 100% truth. The god muslims serve, pray to, and kill for, is indeed satan himself. His only greatness is that of enslaving, destroying, stealing and killing.

Meanwhile, Londonistan gears up for Ramadan;

DOCTORS GIVE IN TO MUSLIMS

DOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Health chiefs believe the sight of food will upset Muslim workers when they are celebrating the religious festival Ramadan.

The lunch trolley is also to be wheeled out of bounds as the 30-day fast begins next month.

Apparently, it's aimed at Glasgow doctor confidence building;

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community."

Any chance we can evacuate the masterpieces from the Rijksmuseum and the Van Gogh Museum to America?

re: #18 ZionistYoungster

I agree with you entirely. I can understand Arabic-speaking Christians using an Arabic word for God. I can't understand why any other Christian would voluntarily substitute an Arabic word for God.

There is no Church-based or historical reason to use it, because Arabic is just one of many possible local languages Christians might speak. If any non-local language is going to be used, it should be Latin. Or Greek for the Eastern Orthodox.

To anyone who doesn't speak Arabic as their primary language, the only possible meaning "Allah" can have is the Muslims' idea of god. And their god's demands are nothing at all like Christ's. They can't be the same god.

Jesus Christ: "Turn the other cheek." "All men are your brothers."
Allah via Mohammed: "Kill the unbeliever!" "Steal his goods, lands, and women!"

I pray that this fool of a bishop will be reprimanded and removed from office swiftly.

Has the whole world gone insane?

Well...yes. Maybe this might help some of you in this time:

"Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. As a result, their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they instead became utter fools. And instead of worshipping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshipped idols made to look like mere people and birds and animals and reptiles. So God abandoned them to do whatever shameful things their hears desired."

Romans 1:21-24

Of course, after a little while longer, God came and DESTROYED THEM!

re: #170 XMarine

As an FYI, I know you meant no offense, don't use that name lightly. It is considered a very holy name. When written in languages other than hebrew Hashem ("the name") is used instead.

re: #172 texaschick

Why is that everyone but the Muslims are tolerant?

Welcome. Stick around as we search for the answer...

re: #159 Ward Cleaver

I'm a lapsed Catholic, but I am currently seeking a Cath church that has the Mass in Latin. (I have learned my lessons!)

I used to date an alterboy, BTW. He didn't go into the priesthood, but he seriously considered it.

IMO, if one looks very closely one can see that the world started going to hell in the 1960's...the sexual revolution, Vatican II..the Hippies, etc.

Hopefully more people of my generation (I'm 40) will keep seeking the old values as we get older and wiser.

Islam seems almost perfectly constructed for exploiting the structural flaws of Christianity.

Reminds me of this op-ed by "Ayesha Ahmed" over at Faith Freedom.

re: #184 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Stay away from liberal Protestant churches!

I know that the following idea is very, very hard for liberals to follow, but...here goes.

Let THEM call Allah ...GOD!

There, now all U libs, go back to your public school and figure that one out.

re: #154 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

re: #140 mrsoc

re: #53 Fjordman

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

The Nostra Aetate of the Second Vatican Council establishes that Muslims worship the one God. As long as that is the case, the Roman Catholic Church will be incapable of protecting Europe or the West from Islam. The RCC must repudiate the Islam-appeasing elements of its theology, or it will be a bridge for Islam to enter the West rather than a bulwark against it.

The second vatican council will be the death of Catholicism. Many many Catholics have become what we refer to as "The Evil Trads." They attend the old masses in Latin, don't eat meat on Friday, women cover their heads in church, etc, etc. Believe that Vatican II was a horrific mistake replete with heresy and sinful instruction. The priests after V-II are not considered priests, the host (called "the cookie in the paw") and the novus ordo (new order) mass are considered invalid. All of this comes back to haunt the new church when some dimwit bishop says something stupid and clearly wrongheaded. They asked for this and they got it. There are more and more evil trads every week-I have found that the number of trad masses is increasing all the time. (In my parish they have doubled in one year and now are the majority masses, and always jammed.)If B-16 doesn't come down on this twit like a ton of bricks he should turn in his papal staff and retire.

You go to Mel Gibson's rejectionist Catholic splinter church, by chance?

No not at all. He is a bad example of whatever it is he believes. The local church here is a regular Catholic shrine church. They simply have the traditional mass. Remember that Benedict said the Latin mass deserves respect and is allowed. Further, even V II didn't disallow the Latin mass-and as for the head covering there was never a decision to abandon it. The quote I heard at my old (Novus Ordo) church was that it was referred for later consideration and never decided.
Many Catholics think they can eat meat on Friday-but that was never the case either. You still have to do a charitable act if you can't help eating meat on a Friday. There is a great deal of wishful thinking on the part of modern Catholics-they want a cafeteria approach to religion. This was the main reason the Benedict was greeted with tee-shirts that said "The cafeteria is closed" We had great hope that he would be stricter than JPII. It hasn't actually happened so far. But Mel? No not me, nor any of the trads I know.

Wasn't it a Dutch minister who recently said he wanted to outlaw the Koran? Looks like he has his work cut out for him.

NJ Devils fan,

A friend of mine just sent me the item on the Scooter. He was a piece of work.

Went to HS with a nephew of his, got to meet him on several occasions at the Stadium. Most of us just knew him from broadcasting, but the man could play.

All about the old moon god 'allah' (apparently, things haven't changed all that much: the Moslems still faithfully do all the rituals their pagan ancestors did in worship of it)

null

"Allah-the Moon God"

re: #161 zombie

Many moonbatty Christians and Jews I know believe, in all sincerity, that "Allah" and "God" are one and the same. [...]

Even without getting Islam in the mix, you can easily have two people with totally different concepts denoted by the word, "God".

Example: when a New Age pantheist talks about "God", he is referring to a theology having nothing to do with the Torah, and everything to do with Star Wars and "May the Force be with you".

(I like Star Wars, but Lucas' concept of "The Force" is pure New Age. As long as people recognize that, and don't take the movies for anything other than fiction, then it's OK; but a lot of people believe in the god of New Age.)

re: #186 Joel

re: #184 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Stay away from liberal Protestant churches!

Yes, indeed.

re: #178 Terp Mole

Meanwhile, Londonistan gears up for Ramadan;

DOCTORS GIVE IN TO MUSLIMSDOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Health chiefs believe the sight of food will upset Muslim workers when they are celebrating the religious festival Ramadan.

The lunch trolley is also to be wheeled out of bounds as the 30-day fast begins next month.

Apparently, it's aimed at Glasgow doctor confidence building;

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community."

UMMM! Pork Rinds, munch munch, leaving a trail of crumbs every where I go.

If we do, do we get to lop off heads, rape women, wear splodey vests, and get virgins in heaven? If so, I'm down with it, Allah willing.

re: #140 mrsoc

I think alot of people (especially young people) are tired of the bland, irreverant Masses, with lame music. We have some guy who plays drums at one of our Masses, and I'd compare the tone of the liturgical music (like for the Halleluah, the Sanctus, etc.) at that Mass to the theme music from the TV show Matlock, or a bad imitation of Dixieland, complete with a couple of clarinets. Gah!

Our priest practically freaked out that Benedict was going to give priests more freedom to hold Tridentine Masses. I got a kick out of listening to him opine about that. One of the benefits of Benedict's decision is that it will draw many who had left for SSPX to come back.

re: #103 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

I appreciate your posts, Ed. I'm about 30 miles from the coast in South Central Louisiana, and your info is always ahead of what I can expect from local news.

re: #141 WeaselZipper

He is an idiot! I wonder what Barack Hussein Obama would have to say about a dual religion...

Speaking on the Dutch TV programme Network on Monday evening, Bishop Muskens says it could take another 100 years but eventually the name Allah will be used by Dutch churches. And that will promote rapprochement between the two religions.

It will promote "rapprochement" between the two religions because because it will promote conversion to Islam. Everyone will be Muslim, no one will be Christian, and everyone will be happy.

The Bishop of Breda, Tiny Muskens, wants people to start calling God Allah.

Allah this.

And swivel.

German Muslim teacher fails with Grace Kelly defence

A woman teacher failed on Tuesday in an attempt to persuade a German court that it was allowable to wear a Muslim headscarf if she wore it in the style of the late screen siren Grace Kelly.
The teacher, who was Christian but converted to Islam in the early 1990s, challenged a ban imposed on teachers in June last year by the authorities of the western state of North Rhine-Westphalia.

The woman argued that if she wore the headscarf in the style of Grace Kelly in the 1955 Alfred Hitchcock film "To Catch a Thief", in other words pushed back with hair showing at the front, she was not infringing the ban.

But a court in the state capital Duesseldorf rejected her claim.

The judges ruled that Grace Kelly only wore a headscarf occasionally in the film and mainly in scenes in a convertible car, while the teacher was wearing it every day for religious reasons.

re: #192 ZionistYoungster

but a lot of people believe in the god of New Age.)

Like the man says, "
Everybody has to believe in something."

I believe I'll have another beer...

re: #18 ZionistYoungster

you are absolutely correct. Bishop Muskens is a deluded socialist jackass. At the current rate of Muhammedan infiltration it won’t take even 50 years before all the churches in Holland are converted to mosques or burned to the ground.

* Perhaps Bishop Muskens should ask the Arab Islamo-Christians how ‘Allah’ helped them against dhimmitude and forced conversions...

OT:

What is up with Macon Georgia? Can't they impeach, recall or otherwise tar and feather this idiot mayor out of town? I'm thinking his leftist idiocy is also at the root of his recent conversion, like many American Muslim converts, a leftist anti-American leaning precedes the conversion to Islam, the conversion is more about slapping their own culture in the face then any true belief in Allah or His Prophet (pigs piss upon him).

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

re: #178 Terp Mole

Health chiefs in Lothian and Glasgow will give all employees time off to pray and to celebrate Eid, which marks the end of Ramadan.

But anyone taking time off to pray should show their solidarity by praying to Allah. Lest they offend

Many moonbatty Christians and Jews I know believe, in all sincerity, that "Allah" and "God" are one and the same. It's the most common left-wong religious view. That's been the thrust of the entuire career of Karen Armstrong as well.

Karen Armstrong is an ex-Catholic, btw. I noticed much greater hostility towards Protestant Christian leaders such as Martin Luther in her books than against Muhammad or Muslims, which is symptomatic. Remember: The West lost the greatest Christian city, Constantinople, to Muslims largely because of haggling between various Christian denominations, in that case Catholic and Orthodox.

re: #169 Thom

Did you all see this?

Gaza prison offers unique incentives

Inmates in Gaza's main prison now can shave a year off their sentences if they grow a beard and memorize five chapters from the Koran.

...

The new rules are part of the fast-spreading Islamization of the Gaza Strip since Hamas militants seized control of the territory two months ago.

Is anybody still talking about "two states living side-by-side in peace"?

THOM!

How much good time do they get if they shave their junk, and strap on an explosive vest?

Allah is not a name for God, it is the Arab pagan Moon god, pre-existing long before Muhammad. Simply google "Allah moon god" and you'll find plenty of sites offering proof. Plus, lots if muslim sites fiercely backpedalling, trying to refute it...

Europe is doomed. They are banding over backwards trying to appease them.

re: #8 nose

as a catholic I feel it's my duty to call bullshit on this guy.

As a non-denominational Christian, it's my duty to call bull*** on this guy.
If Corrie Ten Boom were still here, she'd definitely have something about this!

Muslims are moving us like cattle toward their cult of submission. They are successfully making our universities cater to their pseudo-religious demands not for reasons of honest piety but to better fit us for the yoke of submission. They use terror and the constant threat of violence to make us think it is too much trouble to make them follow the established laws of our free nations. They are working feverishly to make us abandon free speech because free speech is the cornerstone of democracy and islam is fundamentally anti-democratic. And no, I am not saying fundamental islam is anti-democratic I am saying islam is anti-democratic.

Now some misguided priest wants us to voluntarily use the language of the taliban to reference the Judeo-Christian deity. Submission, pure and simple.

The West will eventually wake up and stop the islamic tide that is ruining the free countries of the world. What we need to decide is how far we will let the invasion go and how much of a mess we are willing to leave for our children and grandchildren.

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community

."

Well, instead of training the muslhams be tolerant of everyone else on the planet, we should make sure that we don't eat in front of them. Nice move.

Nothing to see here, please dispurse.

re: #193 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

Liberal (actually Left Wing) Protestant Churches are run by atheist neo-Marxists (just check out the World Council of Churches) who seem to spend most of their time trying to economically destroy Israel.

re: #188 mrsoc

So Ed, if I were to take a catechism class (as a refresher) the traditional Catholicism would still be taught? No meat on Fridays (even outside of the Lenten season), confession as opposed to mass reconciliation, etc?

re: #184 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

re: #159 Ward Cleaver

I'm a lapsed Catholic, but I am currently seeking a Cath church that has the Mass in Latin. (I have learned my lessons!)

[Link: web2.iadfw.net...]
There ya go.

re: #188 mrsoc

eating or not eating meat of Friday has no basis in the Bible.

is was a decision by some lame ass pope to help fishermen.

or did i miss that part of the Sermon on the Mount?

re: #123 Sharmuta

re: #76 Cry of defiance and not of fear

it's no surprise to people who know the history of the Middle East that conquered and dhimmified peoples adopted the word 'allah' (which is not Arabic in origin) to refer to a deity.

Indeed. "allah" isn't the arabic word for "God"- it's "illah".

la ilaha illa-llah- there is no God but allah. So it's not that he wants to use a foreign word for God, he wants allah by name!

I stand corrected. Thank you.

Personally, if I were the Pope, I 'd excommunicate this senile old fool for blasphemy. Then tell him to try to get forgiveness from Allah.

re: #194 jcm

re: #178 Terp Mole

Meanwhile, Londonistan gears up for Ramadan;

DOCTORS GIVE IN TO MUSLIMSDOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Health chiefs believe the sight of food will upset Muslim workers when they are celebrating the religious festival Ramadan.

The lunch trolley is also to be wheeled out of bounds as the 30-day fast begins next month.

Apparently, it's aimed at Glasgow doctor confidence building;

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community."

UMMM! Pork Rinds, munch munch, leaving a trail of crumbs every where I go.

I know...I'd eat in front of them on purpose. Perhaps if they spent less time being offended and seething, then they could actually evolve into the 21st century.

Where do they get these dunderheads? Next the Bishop will be recommending that women wear hijabs in Church to further tolerance.

Late to the thread.
/mouth hanging open in shock

re: #206 Fjordman

Karen Armstrong is a complete Islamifascist apologist. She ought to just do what Yvonne Ridley did and convert to the RoP.

re: #196 Ward Cleaver

Yeah, that would be me!

Dutch Catholic Bishop: Christians Should Pray to Allah

American Sharmuta: Dutch Catholic Bishops Should Shut the Hell Up

If God is Allah and Allah is God, where does Jesus fit in the picture?
http://www.thewords.com/gallery/rembrandt-1.htm

I am sorry, but will not take anyone with the name "Tiny Munchkin" seriously.

re: #194 jcm

re: #178 Terp Mole

Meanwhile, Londonistan gears up for Ramadan;

DOCTORS GIVE IN TO MUSLIMSDOCTORS and health workers have been banned from eating lunch at their desks - in case it offends their Muslim colleagues.

Health chiefs believe the sight of food will upset Muslim workers when they are celebrating the religious festival Ramadan.

The lunch trolley is also to be wheeled out of bounds as the 30-day fast begins next month.

Apparently, it's aimed at Glasgow doctor confidence building;

"After the Glasgow attack this is very important. This is about educating people and making them more aware and more confident when dealing with issues surrounding the Muslim community."

Terrorism works.

re: #217 maddogg

Personally, if I were the Pope, I 'd excommunicate this senile old fool for blasphemy. Then tell him to try to get forgiveness from Allah.

Pope maddogg I - does have a nice ring to it.

Email the Vatican.

av@pccs.va

I do all the time but just like the POTUS, I never hear from them.

re: #215 wargammer2005

Lots of things aren't in the bible. That is a very old tradition. The bible isn't the only source for Roman Catholic tradition.

I AM the Lord your God
You shall have no other gods before Me
For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God

I will carry out great vengeance on them and punish them in my wrath. Then they will know that I AM the LORD.

Portents of things to come.

In his argument that other Christians in other places use the word 'Allah' he fails to mention the native language of said Christians. If the Christians speak Arabic then it makes perfect sense that they would use the word 'Allah'. Even if just culturally the word 'Allah' is used more than 'God' then that's not that big of a deal. If the native language is not Arabic, then that's a different story. Why impose something with such obvious controversial cultural and religious implications? And just because you want to not be part of the argument doesn't give you the right to say "God is above such 'discussion and bickering'".

re: #220 NoSubmission

Late to the thread.
/mouth hanging open in shock

Don't be. The Dutch (as well as the Norwegians, Swedes, and alas the British) have been in full appeasement mode for quite a while.

Re: #182 jayzee

"As an FYI, I know you meant no offense, don't use that name lightly. It is considered a very holy name. When written in languages other than hebrew Hashem ("the name") is used instead."

Your point is well taken, and rest assured I did not mean any offense. Thank you for informing me.

#196 Ward Cleaver

I think alot of people (especially young people) are tired of the bland, irreverant Masses, with lame music.

That's what did it for me. No reverence, dignity, or solemnity. But the Church would have me believe that the miracle of Transubstantiation is occurring while some dipshit is strumming his guitar (poorly) singing Kumbaya?!

Yeah ...

re: #206 Fjordman

One of the great disasters of medieval history was the Crusader sack of Constantinople in 1204 . Constantinople was never the same after that and would fall to the Ottomans in 1204.re: #220 NoSubmission

I've got a Golden Calf that that assclown can pray to. After all, what's the difference? They're all 'god" in their own ways.

If, according to this bishop, Allah and God are the same, then why have millions of Muslims converted to Christianity in the Middle East?

re: #202 mondoreb

re: #192 ZionistYoungster

but a lot of people believe in the god of New Age.)

Is that at the First Church of What's Happening Now?

re: #234 Thom

{THOM}

How are you?

This idiot just doesn't get it, does he?

God != Allah

Hovever,

Satan = Allah

...and I will be more'n happy to use Allah's name in vain!

JAFLW

Tiny Muskens, That's a name that leave you with nothing to look forward too

re: #227 xtraBilly

re: #217 maddogg

Personally, if I were the Pope, I 'd excommunicate this senile old fool for blasphemy. Then tell him to try to get forgiveness from Allah.

Pope maddogg I - does have a nice ring to it.

Yeah, buddy! That would get the Muslim's attention PDQ!

#1 sharmuta
Did you sneak in a "firstie"? (kidding) :^)

The anti-christ (stan) is prophesied to come from within the community of the church. (Reference the entire book of Revelations)

The Roman Catholic bishop of Breda in the Netherlands wants Christians to start praying to Allah.

It simply boggles the mind.

re: #226 Spiny Norman

Well put...

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

God (not allah) Bless Phil Rizzuto- the Scooter was my personal favorite. Now we know why he only showed up on the taped greeting on Old Timers Day in Yankee Stadium. So Sad. Now we know our civilization is going into the dumpster. Been on a downward slide since the late sixties with the breakdown of authority, free love, smelly hippies and kooky Chappaquiddick kennedy changing the laws and letting in all the illegal aliens to overrun us and destroy our culture. Adios.

re: #235 Joel

Hi Joel!

So this is what European Catholicism was like before The Inquisition.

Regarding Dutch appeasement - there was recently two Dutch cabinet ministers who thought that Holland would be Islamic in a few decades and that there was nothing wrong with that.

A Judeo-Christian-Muslim State
Minister welcomes sharia if majority wants it

re: #103 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

Thanks, Ed. I was writing a comment when there was some sort of system hiccup and it didn't get posted. My husband is on an oil rig about 200 miles south of Galveston, and he called last night to tell me he would be heading home as the rig was being evacuated. Now I know why (he had to get off the phone before he could tell me).

By the way - why is my local forecast saying it will be 100 in Baton Rouge, when it will REALLY get to 108 at my house? This heat is killing me. How far into November will it be before we get some cool air?

re: #247 WriterMom

Hi WriterMom

How is the droopy dog Prime Minister over there doing?

re: #18 ZionistYoungster

Superb posts.

As a Catholic who is frustrated with church idiots who place collectivism before catechism, your words edify what the problem is exactly.

It is like WWII.

We will only realize we have a real problem, with a real enemy, not on 911, but when we are facing a nuke going off.

Satan, get thee behind me!

re: #246 LEGION

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

God (not allah) Bless Phil Rizzuto- the Scooter was my personal favorite. Now we know why he only showed up on the taped greeting on Old Timers Day in Yankee Stadium. So Sad. Now we know our civilization is going into the dumpster. Been on a downward slide since the late sixties with the breakdown of authority, free love, smelly hippies and kooky Chappaquiddick kennedy changing the laws and letting in all the illegal aliens to overrun us and destroy our culture. Adios.

Rizzuto will be missed because:
1. he was funny (mostly unintentionally)
2. he made no pretense of being impartial
3. the current Yankees announcers (Sterling Waldyn, Kaye) are putrid!

What time is it?

Excommunication Time!

re: #244 rw in san diego

I would rather pray to a swine then pray to "Allah."

re: #224 red satellite

If God is Allah and Allah is God, where does Jesus fit in the picture?

/the Muslim Jesus

re: #233 XMarine

I had absolutely no doubt and no offense taken at all. Which is kind of interesting-that I do not know even ONE person that would've acted violently even if you had tried to offend. Can Ibrahim Hooper say the same?

re: #234 Thom

#196 Ward Cleaver

I think alot of people (especially young people) are tired of the bland, irreverant Masses, with lame music.

That's what did it for me. No reverence, dignity, or solemnity. But the Church would have me believe that the miracle of Transubstantiation is occurring while some dipshit is strumming his guitar (poorly) singing Kumbaya?!

Yeah ...

What did it for me was the nagging feeling that the transubstantiation wasn't happening at all. Not to mention the "Halle-halle-halle-looo-ya" (With clapping in time) That sounded exactly like "Hari hari hari Krishna." Nothing against them, but that aint what I came to hear. Besides which, the whole priest facing us like it's a magic show drove me nutty. Also the women and men coming to church dresses like whores on their way to the beach (halter tops, bippy shirts, men in shorts, flip flops.) Add in the screaming children and the occasional cell phone ringing and I went flying out of there like a bat out of hell.
This is God's house. Once a week can you take 90 minutes to behave like a person. Ugh.

This guy should get officially booted from the Church ASAP if anyone has balls enough to do it.

/Jewish advice.

Haven't we been told for years that violence never solves anything? Apparently they were wrong. It solves any sort of resistance to the death cult that is comprised of the followers of a child molesting a**hole.

Where have the true Christians gone?
You know, the ones who would have rather died than pray to the bust of the emperor of Rome by merely tossing a bit of incense onto it?
There is only one True God and He has a name, it is represented by the Hebrew Tetragrammaton.
He is NOT allah.

re: #188 mrsoc

Many Catholics think they can eat meat on Friday-but that was never the case either. You still have to do a charitable act if you can't help eating meat on a Friday. There is a great deal of wishful thinking on the part of modern Catholics-they want a cafeteria approach to religion. This was the main reason the Benedict was greeted with tee-shirts that said "The cafeteria is closed" We had great hope that he would be stricter than JPII. It hasn't actually happened so far. But Mel? No not me, nor any of the trads I know.

Exactly right about the meat on Fridays thing. Catholics are obligated to either abstain from eating meat on Fridays, or make some other kind of sacrifice or perform a charitable act. In our family we rarely eat meat on Fridays.

re: #123 Sharmuta

"Allah^TM---Ask for it by name"

re: #251 Joel

Joel, unfortunately, his brain has been occupied by the forces of the Environmental Empire and he is not making much sense lately.

re: #246 LEGION

re: #155 NJDhockeyfan

God (not allah) Bless Phil Rizzuto- the Scooter was my personal favorite. Now we know why he only showed up on the taped greeting on Old Timers Day in Yankee Stadium. So Sad. Now we know our civilization is going into the dumpster. Been on a downward slide since the late sixties with the breakdown of authority, free love, smelly hippies and kooky Chappaquiddick kennedy changing the laws and letting in all the illegal aliens to overrun us and destroy our culture. Adios.

I, for one, am not going without a fight.

Do not go gentle into that good night,
Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
Because their words had forked no lightning they
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
Do not go gentle into that good night.

Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

And you, my father, there on the sad height,
Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
Do not go gentle into that good night.
Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

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