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Florida Muslim Students Indicted (Video Update: CAIR Spokesman Calls Them 'Victims')

Sat, Sep 1, 2007 at 8:40:21 am PDT

Those two Egyptian students at the University of South Florida who were caught with pipe bombs near a South Carolina Navy base have been indicted, and one of them turns out to have a history of involvement in terrorism.

Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, an engineering graduate student and teaching assistant at the Tampa-based university, faces terrorism charges for teaching and demonstrating how to use the explosives.

According to officials familiar with the case, Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges. He is said to have produced an Internet video showing how to build a remote-controlled car bomb.

Mohamed and Youssef Samir Megahed, 21, also an engineering student, were stopped for speeding Aug. 4 in Goose Creek, S.C., where they have been held on state charges. Police found pipe bombs in their car near a Navy base in South Carolina where enemy combatants have been held. They have been held in a South Carolina jail while the FBI continued to investigate whether there was a terrorism link.

It should be noted that after their arrest, the Council on American Islamic Relations immediately jumped out and defended these two, saying they were just “naïve kids” and the pipe bombs were nothing but “fireworks.”

An Islamic community leader from Tampa, Fla., who’s been in touch with the families of the two detained college students, told The Post and Courier that Megahed and Mohamed are not troublemakers and that they were simply on a weekend trip to North Carolina.

Ahmed Bedier, executive director of the Tampa chapter of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, a civil rights organization for Muslims, said family members have told him they think the materials were leftover fireworks Megahed kept in his trunk since July 4.

“Both of them are really naïve kids,” Bedier said.

UPDATE at 9/1/07 9:37:41 am:

Here’s video of a press conference held by CAIR and the Muslim Student Association immediately following the arrests, in which CAIR’s Ahmed Bedier says the two students are “victims.” (Around 1:52 / 16:41.)

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1 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:41:58am

Are there any terrorists CAIR won't defend?

2 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:44:20am
3 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:45:35am
According to officials familiar with the case, Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges.

Why was he allowed in this coutry? Why was he allowed to attend an American university? Why was he allowed to get a drivers liscence? Open a bank account?
I find it very disturbing that he was walking around free.

4 BeerForMyHorses  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:46:24am

Pipe bombs. Letter bombs. What a dynamic morning.

5 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:47:13am

When do the RICO indictments come down for CAIR?

6 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:47:31am

Kos gets hate mail.

I wouldn't put it past him making this one up.

7 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:47:49am
8 zmdavid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:47:56am
Mohamed faces up to 20 years in prison if convicted on the count of demonstrating how to make and use an explosive device. He and Megahed both face up to 10 years in prison if convicted of transporting explosives across state lines without permits.


I'm surprised "demonstrating how to make and use an explosive device" is crime, given what constitutes free speech.

9 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:48:53am
10 EtNorskTroll  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:49:13am
“Both of them are really naïve kids,” Bedier said.

I'm wondering if CAIR would make this same statement if a beer drinking redneck was caught around a SC mosque with the exact same thing in their trunks...?

My guess is "not".

What lunacy.

~Norsk Troll

11 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:49:49am

Calm down people, it just a coincidence the students happen to be Muslim.
/s

12 Curt  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:49:58am

Oh, and while the CAIR crowd and the MSM tells you to move along, nothing to see here, check this part of the article out (way down the page....):


[...]
Possible Link Found To Sami Al-Arian

Federal court records show Salhab leased the Pampas Place house in the early 1990s to World and Islam Studies Enterprise, a think tank for Sami Al-Arian, the former USF professor who pleaded guilty to assisting an Islamic terrorist organization.
[...]

and the local radio here is saying the USF administrators are denying they have a "hotbed of terrorism" here....

13 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:50:07am

When the kid from Pace "desecrated" the Koran, did CAIR call him naive?

14 JWM  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:50:07am

Naive kids- *whew* that's a relief.

Good thing they weren't islamic terrorists.

JWM

15 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:50:28am

“Both of them are really naïve kids killers-in-training,” Bedier said.

Tried twice- same result. Must be the umlat-thingie.

16 FQ Kafir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:50:37am

re: #6 JammieWearingFool

Kos gets hate mail.

I wouldn't put it past him making this one up.

From the post:

I would recommend they move to Saudi Arabia. That anti-gay, anti-woman, hyper-conservative theocracy fits their ideology to a "t".

Then why do the Kos Kids carry water for Islamic radicals and jihad apologists?

17 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:51:12am
18 Texas Joel  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:51:32am

And we wonder why our science and tech kids score so lowly on tests... just a couple of good kids out for a lark on the beach with a radio controlled car bomb and they have to go to jail before the brig even got damaged. Is there no justice?

Is there a difference between sarcasm and channeling an imam?

19 brakes  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:51:34am

I wonder how many Americans are still enjoying their PC sleep.

20 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:51:35am

re: #14 JWM

Naive kids- *whew* that's a relief.

Good thing they weren't islamic terrorists.

JWM

Bombs built by naive kids don't hurt.

21 FQ Kafir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:51:47am

re: #9 savage_nation

re: #7 MandyManners

We see you!

I KNEW you were gonna pop that video out here.

Good job!

Every time she posts it, I let it play in the background. I wish they would do a live show in my neck of the woods.

22 BeerForMyHorses  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:53:13am

re: #14 JWM

Naive kids- *whew* that's a relief.

Good thing they weren't islamic terrorists.

JWM

They are naive like Michael Vick was immature.

23 Andy Dufresne  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:54:25am

To CAIR, young terrorist sympathizers are just "naive young men". There is no doubt in my mind CAIR would describe most of the nineteen 9/11 murderers as "naive" and "misguided".

What will it take for the government to take down this organization?

24 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:56:15am

When it comes to terror enablers, maybe we ought to be more like the Swiss in some regards.

Swiss deporting black sheep

Of course, some call it racist, but that's to be expected.

25 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:56:44am
26 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:56:49am

re: #23 Andy Dufresne

To CAIR, young terrorist sympathizers are just "naive young men". There is no doubt in my mind CAIR would describe most of the nineteen 9/11 murderers as "naive" and "misguided".

What will it take for the government to take down this organization?

Heroic even, when the pilots died suddenly and mysteriously the attempted to pilot the planes to safety but misfortunetly crashed into some buildings.

27 bjjfiter  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:58:25am

CAIR = the Islamic ACLU

28 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:59:22am

.

“Both of them are really naïve kids,”

I'd say that ALL the islamic imperialists are pretty NAIVE in their trying to mess with a Country in which there are 280,000,000 privately owned weapons.

29 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:59:44am

South Carolina?


Good, they can stay in Padilla's old room at the navy brig. Cheap and easy.

30 blutonazi98  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:00:08am

a history of Terrorism? Really? Really? you don't say, well knock me over with a non-alcoholic beer

31 zmdavid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:00:59am

I just saw a "deleted blink" when I hit the "new comments" button, and I checked and #2's been deleted.

32 FightingBack  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:02:26am
In South Carolina, where Mohamed and Megahed have been held in the Berkeley County jail, U.S. Attorney Reginald I. Lloyd praised state and federal authorities for cooperating in the four-week investigation that initially did not look like a terrorism case.

It did to us, and we're just out here on LGF.

33 GregInSeattle  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:03:03am

I'm at the end of my trip here in Italy. I almost would feel safer staying here... Just kidding, I miss the sweet homeland!

-Greg(temporarily in)Rome

34 brakes  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:03:09am

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

How can they compare deporting the families of criminals with Nazis. Living in Switzerland is a privilege not a right.

35 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:03:48am

re: #32 FightingBack

In South Carolina, where Mohamed and Megahed have been held in the Berkeley County jail, U.S. Attorney Reginald I. Lloyd praised state and federal authorities for cooperating in the four-week investigation that initially did not look like a terrorism case.

It did to us, and we're just out here on LGF.

That's because we don't give a shit about PC.

36 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:03:57am

Probably posted already, but..
Islamist Websites Hosted in Minnesota on How to Join Al-Qaeda, Form a Jihad Cell, and Select a Western Target – '[Is] Assassinating the American Ambassador... Difficult For Someone Who Has Already Crushed America in Her Own Home?'

On August 26, Islamist websites hosted in Minnesota [SiteGenie, LLC, Rochester, MN] posted an item titled "How to Join Al-Qaeda." It is not clear when the item was written; it was produced by the website Al-Thabitoun 'Ala Al-'Ahd, which is affiliated with Al-Qaeda in Egypt and is currently inactive.

The item calls on every Muslim to regard jihad as a personal duty and to take initiative to establish a jihad cell without waiting for recognition from Al-Qaeda. It goes on to elaborate on how to form and run the cell, how to raise funds, and how to select a target, "for example, assassinating the American ambassador," which, it states, "takes no more than a gun and a bullet."

The following are excerpts from the item:

"You feel that you want to carry a weapon, fight, and kill the occupiers, and that it is our duty to call for jihad as much as to call for prayer... All that is required is a firm personal decision to fulfill this obligation, and participation in jihad and the resistance...

"Do you really have to meet Osama bin Laden in person in order to become a jihad fighter? Do you have to be recognized by Al-Qaeda as one of its members to become a jihad fighter? If Al-Qaeda commanders should be killed, would the jihad be eliminated? What would you do if Al-Qaeda did not exist today? How is Osama bin Laden different from you? - [yet] he managed to establish the world jihad organization. Who provided training to Osama bin Laden and Abdallah 'Azzam when they went to Afghanistan to become the first Arab jihad fighters?

"The answers to these questions are the following: I don't have to meet Osama bin Laden to become a jihad fighter. Moreover, there is no need to meet even one jihad fighter to become one. Neither do I need recognition from Al-Qaeda...

"As the first step, imagine that Al-Qaeda does not exist and that you are interested [in waging] jihad - what would you do in this case?... If you know any young people - whether one, two, or more - in your area, mosque, or university who are as dedicated and enthusiastic about jihad as you are, come to an understanding with them, and together form a cell whose objective is to help Islam and only Islam...

"At first, your cell should have no more than five members, all absolutely trustworthy... The cell must have a commander and a shura council... The commander must clearly realize that he is Osama bin Laden to the cell members...

"Each cell should have a source of funding... When you have several members, you will [surely] find the funds for your cell... Then you should buy weapons, make plans, brainstorm, plot your plans, monitor your enemy's important objectives, and study its moves. Set a goal; for example, assassinating the American ambassador - is it so difficult? Is it [indeed] difficult for someone who has already crushed America in her own home?

"What is the difference between you and the hero of the New York attack, Muhammad Atta, who planned an action which even today shakes the world every time it is mentioned? Assassinating the ambassador takes no more than a gun and a bullet. One could disguise oneself as a peddler in order to tail [the target], which shouldn't cost a lot of money...

"The cells must maintain contact among themselves, but by no means in a direct or conventional way. The contact must be spiritual: What will unite you is the love of Islam and the motto "There is no God but Allah." Even if the contact between [your] cell and the rest is indirect, it will be close... You must meet once a month... You must not meet in the same place twice... Personal meetings with a small number of people [must take place] once a week...

37 mjazzguitar  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:04:20am

I remember reading the AP story in the Boston Herald and they didn't print these guys' names.

38 sonia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:04:25am

USF university of saudi funded terrorist,seems to have a knack for hear no evil, see no evi...what a PC,multicultural,diverse group they are.

39 kiwiviv  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:04:57am

...the materials were leftover fireworks Megahed kept in his trunk since July 4.

“Both of them are really naïve kids,” Bedier said.


Yeah, and I'm Mahatma Gandhi with stripes! CAIR is unbelievable! I never cease to be amazed.

40 GregInSeattle  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:05:43am

re: #36 NoSubmission

Those silly Jihadists! Charming to the end.

41 marge45b  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:06:49am

re: #25 Perplexed

Eisenhower Speaks.

42 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:07:01am

Almost every time we hear of a foreign Muslim student studying in America we find they are studying "engineering". Which is about as broad as saying a Berkeley student is studying "literature". Why are we still allowing Muslims to study engineering? At least at USF where there is increasing proof of a radical Islamic tradition? Obviously the wahabbists have found something in the student-engineer that they like.

43 kiwiviv  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:07:12am

re: #33 GregInSeattle

I'm at the end of my trip here in Italy. I almost would feel safer staying here... Just kidding, I miss the sweet homeland!

-Greg(temporarily in)Rome

Have a great time in Italy - I LOVE that place.

44 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:08:05am

re: #40 GregInSeattle

re: #36 NoSubmission

Those silly Jihadists! Charming to the end.


Here's the rest:

"From the moment the cell is established, its members must be divided - into secret members, members who do not [act] openly and are not wanted by the authorities, and members who are wanted (who have been arrested in the past or on whom the intelligence apparatuses have a file)... The secret members must perform intelligence tasks, collect information, raise funds, recruit [new members], and assist in [actual operations]. Those who act in the open must perform the primary military operations, such as assassinations, firing at enemy facilities, etc.

"You must be aware that you have brothers everywhere, and that they are expecting the actions of you and your friends even if they don't know you in person or by name...

"Every jihad cell is a microcosm of the world jihad organization."

45 itellu3times  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:08:16am

Driving While Muslim, merits an automatic search warrant as far as I'm concerned, and a presumption of guilt. Pitiful, but there it is. I'm sure they are just naive kids, as things go, and when they taught twenty other kids how to build bombs, and ten of them decided to carry through on it at various moments of SJS, they'd still all just be naive kids. Nope, Islam is incompatible with western freedoms, they say so, and they are right.

46 rightwinger3  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:09:22am

re: #36 NoSubmission

but...but...but, I thought jihad was an interior spiritual struggle!

47 Killgore Trout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:09:29am

re: #36 NoSubmission

Looks like they've been shut down already.....
SiteGenie Pulls the Plug on Jihadist Web Site
Islamophobia!

48 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:09:37am

Remember this the next time someone says, 'wait, wait, we don't know if they're terrorists or not, don't jump to conclusions...'

I would rather jump to conclusions than be forced to jump from skyscrapers.

49 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:09:46am

re: #41 marge45b

True and accurate. I wonder how many people would even bother to listen to an old clip from Eisenhower?

50 galloping granny  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:10:48am

Would someone mind explaining to me just what the HELL a known terrorist, known to be involved with terrorism in Egypt, is doing studying and teaching at an American university?

If this is an example of just how well our universities are screening the foreign students that they allow to enroll, then perhaps we should send each and every foreign student back to where they came from until a reasonably decent screening job can be performed. There must be somebody, somewhere, that is competent to actually get such a thing accomplished!

51 GregInSeattle  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:06am

re: #43 kiwiviv

It's been a blast, visited Venezia and Roma. A bit of sensory overload for someone who loves great archicteture! I've really enjoyed it, but am ready for a lovely fall in Seattle.

52 Dr. Shalit  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:20am

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

re: #28 Poitiers-Lepanto

"JWF" & "P-L" -

On point in both cases and REMEMBER the SWISS also have firearms, fairly rare in Europe, they too would be a hard nut to crack.

-S-

53 xrayon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:22am

Just a couple of naive Asian kids... nothing to worry about...

54 kansas  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:29am

This is just so unfair...praise be to Allah.

55 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:32am

re: #50 galloping granny

Would someone mind explaining to me just what the HELL a known terrorist, known to be involved with terrorism in Egypt, is doing studying and teaching at an American university?

If this is an example of just how well our universities are screening the foreign students that they allow to enroll, then perhaps we should send each and every foreign student back to where they came from until a reasonably decent screening job can be performed. There must be somebody, somewhere, that is competent to actually get such a thing accomplished!

It's all about the money. Always.

56 Shaky Louie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:11:55am
“Both of them are really naive kids,” Bedier said.

Oh! Well then, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona...

57 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:12:29am
58 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:13:04am

re: #55 cookielady

I used to work at a university and it is all about money and power.

59 GregInSeattle  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:13:13am

OT-

Geraldo wants to spit on Michelle Malkin.

[Link: hotair.com...]

60 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:13:42am

We shout from the rooftops, urging people to wake up, and they call us Chicken Little's.

I may be little, but I ain't no chicken. I WILL defend my family, my home, and my country when the time comes... and it approaches swiftly on clawed feet.

61 rightwinger3  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:13:44am

re: #56 Shaky Louie

“Both of them are really naive kids,” Bedier said.

Oh! Well then, I've got some oceanfront property in Arizona...

Really? I will buy that from you if you're looking to sell.

62 GregInSeattle  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:13:52am

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

You beat me to it!

63 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:14:04am

re: #47 Killgore Trout
Even if the page is shut down, it underscores in blood the true voice of global islamic jihad. You don't have to be linked to any organization of terror to be a terrorist. We will be seeing more and more of this as time goes on and the MSM and the LLL's will continue to say, 'Oh it's nothing, just another "lone nutcase", nothing to worry over.'

64 kiwiviv  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:14:43am

re: #51 GregInSeattle

re: #43 kiwiviv

It's been a blast, visited Venezia and Roma. A bit of sensory overload for someone who loves great archicteture! I've really enjoyed it, but am ready for a lovely fall in Seattle.

Yes...yes...yes! The architecture is AMAZING! Surely you went to Florence and Assisi?

I've lived in Washington State as well, and fall/Spring can be lovely. Summers and Winters are waaaay to dreary for me, however.

65 BeerForMyHorses  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:15:22am

My Jihad = Mein Kampfre: #46 rightwinger3

re: #36 NoSubmission

but...but...but, I thought jihad was an interior spiritual struggle!


My Jihad = Mein Kampf

66 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:15:59am

If I were planning a terror attack and had a car full of pipe bombs, I'd obey the traffic laws, and do nothing to attract attention to myself.


But then again, I'm not a terrorist or a dumbass.

67 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:16:04am

re: #62 GregInSeattle

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

You beat me to it!

Takes a while to transmit from Italy, I guess :D

68 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:16:50am

Actualy, Greg, I linked Michelle's item, so you did get the Hot Air link up first.

69 The Rebbitzen  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:17:05am

Meanwhile (O/T)...Reform Rabbi Eric Yoffie urged the largest assembly of US Muslims on Friday to help "fight the fanatics" in their two religions, marking the first time a major Jewish leader has addressed the group in its four-decade history.Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, said each faith has "a tiny, extremist minority" that misinterprets religious teachings to justify violence. To counter them, moderate majorities in Islam and Judaism must speak out, he said. "It is ... our collective task to strengthen and inspire one another as we fight the fanatics and work to promote the values of justice and love that are common to both our faiths," Yoffie said, at the start of the Islamic Society of North America convention.

We Jews can be our own worst enemies.

70 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:17:38am

I read this stuff here on this marvelous site, and I keep thinking: Why the blank are we slitting our own wrists all the time? Why do we let them in and for heaven's sake why don't we get rid of the ones that are here? Kick 'em out and don't let 'em come back!

Pausing for some snark to say that's not practical... which is code for we are too lazy and pc to do it, not that we are incapable.

71 Roger  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:17:39am

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

Geraldo just bought himself a lot of misery. How people put up with what he says compared to what Imus said is beyond me. He lies about what Malkin said.

72 riverman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:18:34am

Call these people what they really are. Terrorists.

Officially declare what we are truly in. A war.

Bring back the sedition act. Arrest these enemy combatants.

Period end!

RM

73 justamomof4  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:18:51am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

According to officials familiar with the case, Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges.

Why was he allowed in this coutry? Why was he allowed to attend an American university? Why was he allowed to get a drivers liscence? Open a bank account?
I find it very disturbing that he was walking around free.

While we're asking some very important questions . . .let's not forget this gem:

FBI says charges may be false against men in Goose Creek bomb scare
What motivates the FBI to make such ludicrous statements? They have some 'splainin to do! Statements like those in the link above contradict their own mission statement

Mission Statement:

The mission of the Intelligence Program is to optimally position the FBI to meet current and emerging national security and criminal threats by:

* Aiming core investigative work proactively against threats to U.S. interests;
* Building and sustaining enterprise-wide intelligence policies and capabilities; and
* Providing useful, appropriate, and timely information and analysis to the national security, homeland security, and law enforcement communities.


Sounds like there is a contradictory effort within the hallowed walls of the FBI and they have attempted to use our msm to counter effective measures taken by untainted officials who have been successfully targeting terrorist threats .

Perhaps an internal investigation is in order.

74 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:18:59am

re: #69 The Rebbitzen

Does your nic mean you are married to a man of G-d?

75 TimK  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:12am

Whenever I go on a weekend trip I bring my pipebombs.

76 Atman  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:14am

A little weekend reading to remember the game plan.........
/.....I hope that all you Lizards are well. Head Lizard, stay well.....

77 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:20am

re: #73 justamomof4

Several of our initialized institutions have been beyond tainted for a long time. No one has the guts to clear them out and start over.

78 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:23am

re: #71 Roger

re: #57 JammieWearingFool

Geraldo just bought himself a lot of misery. How people put up with what he says compared to what Imus said is beyond me. He lies about what Malkin said.

He's pathetic.

Getting outwitted by someone 30 years his junior just drives him over the edge.

79 gringo  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:41am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

According to officials familiar with the case, Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges.

Why was he allowed in this coutry? Why was he allowed to attend an American university? Why was he allowed to get a drivers liscence? Open a bank account?
I find it very disturbing that he was walking around free.

__________________________________________________ ___
My sentiments exactly. When is our immigration department going to start screening these assholes from the ME? And especially the Student Visas. How many times does it have to be shown that terrorists are entering on Student Visas, with many not even attending school!

80 FightingBack  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:20:49am

re: #35 MandyManners

Even if they were Amish, you'd think that a car carrying explosives in the vicinity of a military installation might have raised an eyebrow. Unless there was intimidation.
And, over on the esteemed University scene, a resume containing an arrest record doesn't seem too difficult to screen out, in the information age. It's a freakin' engineering school; they might have a computer available
I'd fire the Dean of Admissions, with a notation on his resume, too.

81 Shaky Louie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:21:07am

re: #61 rightwinger3
For you, I'll cut a good deal!
;-)

82 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:21:49am

Is naive kids a legal defense or a mitigating factor?

83 The Rebbitzen  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:22:34am

#74 Well, he doesn't think of himself quite that way. Probably would have a coniption if he knew I was doing this on Shabbat, lol

84 Pope Insouciance IV  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:22:35am
He is said to have produced an Internet video showing how to build a remote-controlled car bomb.

Oh, those college hi-jinks!

85 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:22:36am
86 Poitiers-Lepanto  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:22:52am

#70 CookieLady

I read this stuff here on this marvelous site, and I keep thinking: Why the blank are we slitting our own wrists all the time? Why do we let them in and for heaven's sake why don't we get rid of the ones that are here?

That's the only QUESTION.
Who is allowing all this and why.

And why is it happening ALL OVER the Western World, with the same results (= terrorism), and nobody stops it.

I think the Western World is FOR SALE...

87 BeerForMyHorses  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:22:53am

re: #73 justamomof4

Sadly to say, the FBI is crawling with Muslims and Muslim sympathizers. Read Paul Sperry's Infiltration if you haven't already.

88 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:23:09am

re: #80 FightingBack

Of course, you would fire him... you are a normal, sane, thinking human being.

Universities are not known for harboring those. They want the money. They want anybody's money, they don't care how they get it or where it's from or what it will cost in security and decency, they want it.

89 Live4Truth  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:23:27am
It should be noted that after their arrest, the Council on American Islamic Relations immediately jumped out and defended these two, saying they were just “naive kids” and the pipe bombs were nothing but “fireworks.”

And now CAIR is going to immediately jump out to admit how naive they were, apologize for defending terrorists, say that they hope the terrorists receive the maximum penalty, and vow to never again blindly defend Muslims for no other reason than they are Muslims.

90 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:23:28am

American Academia: Whores for the Caliphate.

91 Jeewhiz  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:23:56am
they think the materials were leftover fireworks Megahed kept in his trunk since July 4.

I believe them. This brings back fond memories. Every July 4th as a child we would rig pipe bombs and blow them up in celebration. After we were done, Mom and Dad would put the leftovers in our car trunk and forget about them until next year because that was the safest place to store them, according to my father who was an engineer.

/sarc

92 xrayon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:23:58am

re: #80 FightingBack

re: #35 MandyManners

Even if they were Amish, you'd think that a car carrying explosives in the vicinity of a military installation might have raised an eyebrow. Unless there was intimidation.
And, over on the esteemed University scene, a resume containing an arrest record doesn't seem too difficult to screen out, in the information age. It's a freakin' engineering school; they might have a computer available
I'd fire the Dean of Admissions, with a notation on his resume, too.

That might serve as a sufficient deterrent to other deans

93 mjazzguitar  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:24:17am

re: #7 MandyManners Gee, the way those guys sing in the video, you'd think the muzlems had declared war on us or somethin'. (hee hee)

94 mjazzguitar  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:25:21am

re: #34 brakes

re: #24 JammieWearingFool

How can they compare deporting the families of criminals with Nazis. Living in Switzerland is a privilege not a right.

Not like America, eh?

95 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:25:24am
96 justamomof4  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:25:40am

re: #69 The Rebbitzen

Meanwhile (O/T)...Reform Rabbi Eric Yoffie urged the largest assembly of US Muslims on Friday to help "fight the fanatics" in their two religions, marking the first time a major Jewish leader has addressed the group in its four-decade history.Yoffie, president of the liberal Union for Reform Judaism, said each faith has "a tiny, extremist minority" that misinterprets religious teachings to justify violence. To counter them, moderate majorities in Islam and Judaism must speak out, he said. "It is ... our collective task to strengthen and inspire one another as we fight the fanatics and work to promote the values of justice and love that are common to both our faiths," Yoffie said, at the start of the Islamic Society of North America convention.

We Jews can be our own worst enemies.

Reform Rabbi Eric Yoffie is one very dangerous, fool of a man.

97 cookielady  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:26:09am

re: #86 Poitiers-Lepanto

It's that old anti-christ spirit takin' over.
It's that old anti-christ spirit come to call.

Apologies to anyone who knows the song. ;-)

98 TimeQuake  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:00am

re: #28 Poitiers-Lepanto

And I just got back from practicing with two of them.

99 Jeewhiz  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:03am

re: #64 kiwiviv

re: #51 GregInSeattle


re: #43 kiwiviv

It's been a blast, visited Venezia and Roma. A bit of sensory overload for someone who loves great archicteture! I've really enjoyed it, but am ready for a lovely fall in Seattle.


Yes...yes...yes! The architecture is AMAZING! Surely you went to Florence and Assisi?

I've lived in Washington State as well, and fall/Spring can be lovely. Summers and Winters are waaaay to dreary for me, however.

The view from the hilltops in Assisi is mind-blowing. And I think that you could spend an entire month in Florence and never see everything that there is to see.

Been there once, and would LOVE to go again. Would spend the bulk of my time in Florence, but then again, never got to see Sicily last time...

100 The Rebbitzen  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:05am

Don't forget that Sami al-Arian was a computer engineer. These guys are never business majors.

101 Cap'n DOC  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:21am

re: #31 zmdavid

Uhhh. I guess it would beyond the pale to ask what savage_nation said that got deleted?

102 6pat6  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:37am

I have not heard a single TV or radio news report yet that mentions either their names or their religion. Had it been anyone BUT muslims, you bet the names and perhaps their religious affiliation would be all over the place. Has anyone seen pictures of these two? I haven't.

103 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:28:01am

Off to shower and buy carpet. Home Depost was a disaster, 3 weeks to find out we're 2 weeks away from installation by a third party called Cooper, so we cancelled. Off to I-45 the Gulf Freeway and a place that promises next day installation.


But I need to shower first.

104 mjazzguitar  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:28:15am

re: #66 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet

If I were planning a terror attack and had a car full of pipe bombs, I'd obey the traffic laws, and do nothing to attract attention to myself.


But then again, I'm not a terrorist or a dumbass.


For a while there all the big dope busts around here were made when unregistered cars were stopped for speeding.

105 squarepeg  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:28:51am

I just e-mailed those annoying reporters about describing CAIR as "a civil rights organization for Muslims." There were 3 of them. What always seems to happen is that 2 of them e-mail me back and say "The other guy wrote that part," and I never hear from the other guy.

106 kiwiviv  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:29:33am

re: #99 Jeewhiz

re: #64 kiwiviv

re: #51 GregInSeattle

re: #43 kiwivivIt's been a blast, visited Venezia and Roma. A bit of sensory overload for someone who loves great archicteture! I've really enjoyed it, but am ready for a lovely fall in Seattle.

Yes...yes...yes! The architecture is AMAZING! Surely you went to Florence and Assisi?I've lived in Washington State as well, and fall/Spring can be lovely. Summers and Winters are waaaay to dreary for me, however.
The view from the hilltops in Assisi is mind-blowing. And I think that you could spend an entire month in Florence and never see everything that there is to see.

Been there once, and would LOVE to go again. Would spend the bulk of my time in Florence, but then again, never got to see Sicily last time...

A wholehearted AMEN from me!

107 Caliredst8r  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:30:30am

And all the left over Soviet nukes are just unused fireworks from the May Day celebrations and the Nov 7 Revolution Day celebrations.

108 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:32:19am

re: #3 Killgore Trout

According to officials familiar with the case, Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges.

Why was he allowed in this coutry? Why was he allowed to attend an American university? Why was he allowed to get a drivers liscence? Open a bank account?
I find it very disturbing that he was walking around free.

We are not alone with those feelings and questions. State appears unable/unwilling to answer.

[Link: www.theaviationnation.com...]

Why Does the US State Department Refuse to Answer Important Questions?

I called Maura Harty's office (photo left) at the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs and asked how an Egyptian national with a terrorism-related arrest record could have obtained a US student visa "legally." Harty's office did not have an immediate answer for me, but informed me they would get back to me as soon as they had one.

Ten minutes later, State Department official Chris Richards was kind enough to call — but offered no official comment on the record. Richards promised he'd see what he could find out and would get back to me after the long weekend.

I may be waiting for a while. Three months ago, while I was writing "Ticket to an American University of Ticket to Paradise? The Mysterious Case of Anwar Al—" I called Maura Harty's office at the State Department's Bureau of Consular Affairs and asked how a Saudi national whose name appears on the no-fly list could have obtained a US student visa "legally." Despite repeated promises for an answer, I am still waiting.

109 yenta-fada  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:32:51am

Just posted this at the other thread:

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder: (Sound familiar to any particular global phenom.?)

Feels grandiose and self-important (e.g., exaggerates accomplishments, talents, skills, contacts, and personality traits to the point of lying, demands to be recognised as superior without commensurate achievements);
Is obsessed with fantasies of unlimited success, fame, fearsome power or omnipotence, unequalled brilliance (the cerebral narcissist), bodily beauty or sexual performance (the somatic narcissist), or ideal, everlasting, all-conquering love or passion;
Firmly convinced that he or she is unique and, being special, can only be understood by, should only be treated by, or associate with, other special or unique, or high-status people (or institutions);
Requires excessive admiration, adulation, attention and affirmation – or, failing that, wishes to be feared and to be notorious (Narcissistic Supply);
Feels entitled. Demands automatic and full compliance with his or her unreasonable expectations for special and favourable priority treatment;
Is "interpersonally exploitative", i.e., uses others to achieve his or her own ends;
Devoid of empathy. Is unable or unwilling to identify with, acknowledge, or accept the feelings, needs, preferences, priorities, and choices of others;
Constantly envious of others and seeks to hurt or destroy the objects of his or her frustration. Suffers from persecutory (paranoid) delusions as he or she believes that they feel the same about him or her and are likely to act similarly;
Behaves arrogantly and haughtily. Feels superior, omnipotent, omniscient, invincible, immune, "above the law", and omnipresent (magical thinking). Rages when frustrated, contradicted, or confronted by people he or she considers inferior to him or her and unworthy.

110 Shaky Louie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:32:59am

cookielady,
We are going to 'PC' ourselves into oblivian if someone doesn't put the brakes on soon! We must not lose the will to remain soverign and free!

111 6pat6  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:33:39am

"...unused fireworks..."

CAIR really DOES think we are that stupid. Sad thing is, a pretty sizeable group of America will buy that bullshit story.

112 Jeewhiz  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:34:07am

re: #107 Caliredst8r

And all the left over Soviet nukes are just unused fireworks from the May Day celebrations and the Nov 7 Revolution Day celebrations.


LMAO!

But you've got to appreciate the patriotic aspect of the original comment. 'These are just harmless patriotic Amerikens going about the bidnez of other patriotic Amerikens. Surely you can understand and appreciate just how patriotic and harmless these innocent little boys are...'

Too funny.

113 Killian Bundy  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:34:36am
Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges. He is said to have produced an Internet video showing how to build a remote-controlled car bomb.

Well, boys will be boys. They have a natural curiosity about things that go boom.

/if only they had Estes rockets in Gaza Egypt

114 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:34:56am
#66 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
If I were planning a terror attack and had a car full of pipe bombs, I'd obey the traffic laws, and do nothing to attract attention to myself.
But then again, I'm not a terrorist or a dumbass.


Most criminals ARE stupid. That's how most of them end up getting caught. There are a couple of kinds of criminals. There are the 'organized' ones who are good at what they do because they've been doing for a while evading capture. And then there are the 'unorganized' ones who are sloppy and wreckless. The ones who do stupid things like leave behind evidence and makes stupid moves like traffic infractions. Here we have an example of the 'unorganized' criminal speeding while carrying explosives.

115 rightwinger3  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:37:09am

re: #113 Killian Bundy

Mohamed has been arrested previously in Egypt on terrorism-related charges. He is said to have produced an Internet video showing how to build a remote-controlled car bomb.

Well, boys will be boys. They have a natural curiosity about things that go boom.

/if only they had Estes rockets in Gaza Egypt

KB, lmao you are right. I have a natural curiosity about this.

116 Bobibutu  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:38:12am

re: #49 Perplexed

re: #41 marge45b

True and accurate. I wonder how many people would even bother to listen to an old clip from Eisenhower?

Those who understand that his ego did not get in the way of getting the job done.

Great President
Great General
Great man.

117 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:40:39am

re: #86 Poitiers-Lepanto

#70 CookieLady

I read this stuff here on this marvelous site, and I keep thinking: Why the blank are we slitting our own wrists all the time? Why do we let them in and for heaven's sake why don't we get rid of the ones that are here?

That's the only QUESTION.
Who is allowing all this and why.

And why is it happening ALL OVER the Western World, with the same results (= terrorism), and nobody stops it.

I think the Western World is FOR SALE...

The problem has been 50 years in the making. The privileged and pampered baby boom generation's world was secured by the efforts of the greatest generation. This pampered and secure upbringing result in a world view expressed in the Summer of Love; all will be peace and light if we are just NICE to everyone.

Outside the warm fuzzy bubble of western society trouble never was far away. The baby boom generation and offspring are completely unprepared for the task of confrontation and violence that maintaining peace and security require.

Fortunately for us enough of the the greatest generation passed the lessons learned to their offspring and the next generation, those men and women today are taking the task in hand most ably.

However those of us who learned that the world is not all peace and light need to educate those with that view.

118 panamahat  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:40:49am

re: #48 cookielady

You've said it all.

119 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:41:09am

I'm still of the opinion we should ha ve more eastern european students come as guests than people from the desert. Who had the big idea to let these clowns into the country? Alot of the people I work with here have applied for visas to the US and have been turned down for one reason or another. Ok, I know Turkey isn't exactly Eastern Europe but they do speak English, do have an interest in US culture, and generally would be positive. Why all the Arabs and pakis and somalis? Don't we have enough criminals and beardie weirdes in the country already?

120 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:41:17am

re: #114 NoSubmission

Here we have an example of the 'unorganized' criminal speeding while carrying explosives.

Hilarious!

121 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:41:53am

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #114 NoSubmission


Here we have an example of the 'unorganized' criminal speeding while carrying explosives.

Hilarious!

He was late for one of his virgins?

122 Anna  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:43:20am

I say two more for Gitmo and 24/7 Shakira videos.

123 Charles  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:44:16am

Don't miss the video update, in which CAIR's Ahmed Bedier calls the students "victims."

124 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:44:17am

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #114 NoSubmission
Here we have an example of the 'unorganized' criminal speeding while carrying explosives.

Hilarious!


So funny, the thought of them blowing themselves up didn't even occur to me. LOL The visual is priceless.

125 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:44:37am

Beardie Weirdes. LOL!
/could get deleted, non?

126 LoFlyer  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:45:34am

Don't want to sound like an alarmist, but the feds politically correct doctrines are leading us towards an terrorist disaster of epic proportions. We have all noted the trends of individual Islamic violence towards American citizens, (Salt Lake City mall massacre, the Jewish center in Washington state, Fort Dix conspiracy, etc.) federal Law enforcement, local law enforcement, and the news media all collectively minimize publication of the true nature or motivation of the crime. Law enforcement and judicial proceedings always consider the motive for the crime as the primary driving force of the crime. Every local and federal law enforcement org goes out of way to nullify publication of any motive that can be attributed to Islam. We all know its BS and one of these days a Islamic terrorist is going to get lucky and kill a lot of people in the US. Rest assured that the feds and media will claim no "Islamic influence".

127 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:47:05am

#123 Charles
I'd rather gouge my eyes out than listen to that type of spin. Thanks for alerting us to it.

128 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:48:05am

This thread has been updated with an old video of CAIR stating that these students are "victims" with "alledged" "fireworks" who were singled out because they are "Middle Eastern" and not "Christians" ad nauseum.

129 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:49:35am

Charles?
Any chance we could have a Michelle Malkin thread to express our outrage over Jerry Rivers' comment and show support? It's bad enough the abuse you guys have to take. This is a bad precedent. FNC needs to can his ass.

130 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:50:08am

re: #125 Abu Bin Squid

Beardie Weirdes. LOL!
/could get deleted, non?

I dunno. I"ve used it before. I usually use it when I would prefer to call them something else.

131 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:50:24am
132 rightwinger3  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:52:27am

re: #131 savage_nation

What a Saudi tool Bedier is.

savage, don't usually see a reason to correct your posts but couldn't let this one go.

133 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:52:51am

Bedier, you're another shit-slinging monkey. Think I'll call you "Beedy."

134 Render  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:53:29am

re: #129 EC Marm

I agree. Gerry stopped being mildy amusing for his stupidity when he drew up the battle plans for OIF in the sand, during OIF.

Long time overdue that he was reduced to flipping burgers at Wendy's.

REJECTED,
R

135 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:53:31am

Bedier.. isn' that the thing french people use to clean their hind ends with?

136 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:53:54am

re: #129 EC Marm

Charles?
Any chance we could have a Michelle Malkin thread to express our outrage over Jerry Rivers' comment and show support? It's bad enough the abuse you guys have to take. This is a bad precedent. FNC needs to can his ass.

I just read that

......“Michelle Malkin is the most vile, hateful commentator I’ve ever met in my life,” he says. “She actually believes that neighbors should start snitching out neighbors, and we should be deporting people.

“It’s good she’s in D.C. and I’m in New York,” Rivera sneers. “I’d spit on her if I saw her.”

That man should be fired...we should all write to fox news and demand it.

137 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:54:04am
138 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:56:08am

VICTIMS? I had to stop watching after that. Pounding the shit out of my poor keyboard.

139 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:56:11am

re: #131 savage_nation

What a Saudi tool Bedier is.

When he introduced himself and explained what the mission of CAIR was, why did he leave out the good parts—FBI records CAIR executive director meeting with HAMAS leaders.

140 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:56:21am

I've got to stop watching the video when he says, "whereabouts of the victims" as if the two wannabe jihadists are the victims. CAIR is a bunch of [self-deleted].

141 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:56:33am

re: #136 storagemanager

Why is Geraldo "Broken Nose' Rivera still working in the media? This guy is a clown. I mean after Al Capone's vault.. then broadcasting troop movements live during the Liberation of Iraq. This guy is begging for a good asskicking. I would respect Jerry Springer alot more as a "journalist" than Mister Brokennose

142 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:58:12am

I just noticed that the comments over at that youtube link are moderated. Just look at the ones that got through. Just a few of only twelve:

filistin4life
mashallah, all muslims should support%uFEFF CAIR financially and in any means possible.

Kupo923
I actually met Ahmed Bedier when he visited my school! He's an extremely intelligent, as well as wonderful and kind person. =]

filistin4life
Mashallah, subhanallah, All%uFEFF muslims should support this great brother and CAIR.

143 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:58:19am

ooohhh! CAIR has 33 chapters.... what 4 members each?

144 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:59:30am

pimf
Have no idea how
%uFEFF
got into the text. Sorry.

145 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:59:48am

re: #141 baconeatingkaffir

re: #136 storagemanager

Why is Geraldo "Broken Nose' Rivera still working in the media? This guy is a clown. I mean after Al Capone's vault.. then broadcasting troop movements live during the Liberation of Iraq. This guy is begging for a good asskicking. I would respect Jerry Springer alot more as a "journalist" than Mister Brokennose


Taking on Michelle Malkin is a stupid move...he will regret it.

146 humanity  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:00:18am
147 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:00:44am

re: #142 NoSubmission

I just noticed that the comments over at that youtube link are moderated. Just look at the ones that got through. Just a few of only twelve:


filistin4life
mashallah, all muslims should support%uFEFF CAIR financially and in any means possible. Kupo923
I actually met Ahmed Bedier when he visited my school! He's an extremely intelligent, as well as wonderful and kind person. =]

filistin4life
Mashallah, subhanallah, All%uFEFF muslims should support this great brother and CAIR.

I support CAIR, support jail time for terror support that is.

148 opnion  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:00:53am

Pipe bombs left over from the Fourth of July?That explains it.
Guys named Ahmed & Yousef really go out for the 4th.
The video about car bombS? Why for the 4th, silly

149 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:01:21am
150 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:02:11am

Held with out charges over 24hrs? Most jurisdictions are 48 to 72.
Dickweed.

Not terror acts, okay bombs are okay setting the off is not?

151 EC Marm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:02:50am

re: #145 storagemanager
Jerry Rivers is actually threatening her with assault. A defender of immigrants who choose not to respect our laws, defends them by showing his disdain for our laws? FNC, show him the door.

152 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:03:15am

re: #7 MandyManners

We see you!

MandyManners, try the CAIR remix.

Remember CAIR Cares®.

153 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:03:43am
154 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:04:50am

From CAIR supporter, fillistine4life [who appears to be in Brooklyn!]

YouTube Jihad videos
Do You Know How to Make a Bomb?

Note how the speaker uses the word 'kaffir' like it is nothing.

155 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:04:50am

re: #152 David IV of Georgia

re: #7 MandyManners


We see you!

MandyManners, try the CAIR remix.

Remember CAIR Cares%uFFFD.

I have that one but just wanted to listen to some music this morning.

156 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:05:00am

re: #151 EC Marm

re: #145 storagemanager
Jerry Rivers is actually threatening her with assault. A defender of immigrants who choose not to respect our laws, defends them by showing his disdain for our laws? FNC, show him the door.

Hahahahah! Jerry got beat up by a girl ! What a wuss! He should go back to the Jerry Springer talk show circuit.

157 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:07:43am

Numbers found on terrorist speed dial lists:

AP
Reuters
CAIR

The CAIR spokesman puts forth the straw man that because the two were of Middle-eastern descent that they were singled out; if they had been Christian it would not have made world wide news.

He's right about the world-wide news. BUT... he puts forth that it's prejudice against middle-easterners as cause.

Wrong. It's foresight and caution that makes the world focus on Muslims toting explosive devices -- if it were Christians, there's no world wide worry because it would be an Isolated incident -- Christians haven't bombed thousands of civilians in more than fifty countries over the past six years. Christians don't have cells of terrorists vowing to destroy the western or eastern world. Christians don't produce martyr videos, Christians don't ... well you get the idea.

So if the eyes of the world are on Middle-easterners, and there's more caution displayed then why is that CAIR? They never take the logic far enough to understand that there is emminent good reason for this.

158 buffalo62  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:07:46am

Those guys are just misunderstood.

159 MandyManners  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:08:41am

I have a marvelous idea of what to do with Geraldo's 'stache but, I'd hate to give Stinky extra work today.

160 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:09:19am

re: #155 MandyManners

Stuck Mojo's style is not my favorite, but I agree with the sentiment.

161 LoneSome Journey  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:09:43am

C A I R meeting Friday night

ok, ok, we've got to come up with some good reasons for what our almost martyrs were doing with those pipe bombs near a military base in South Carolina.

Try these two ideas.
The pipe bombs were merely large fireworks the kids were going to explode on the coast. They knew that it would cause suspicion to do so in Florida with the Space Center there. They wanted a really huge explosion so they could enjoy the brilliant flash. Of course they were not aware of the US military base. He, cut the laughing, we have to make this look like the US is hounding two poor innocent muslims.

The video will be harder to push over, but, if we claim the video was not to teach how to make bombs, but was for one of the boys to teach the other how to make videos. He just happened to use the pipe bombs as a tool in this teaching effort. There you go again with the laughter. But I think it will sell, especially to these pigs in the media who will believe any tale we tell and act like victims.

So, then, on Monday we'll have Ellison get up on the House floor and demand these young men be released and for the US to stop hounding poor innocent muslims out for a bit of fireworks fun. Next, later in the week, we'll have Howard Dean charge the Bush Administration with being responsible for the arrest of these kids. Dean will claim that Bush is anti-muslim and wants to see these kids executed. Finally, we'll go for the Edwards trump card. Edwards will go to South Carolina and demand to speak with the boys. He'll come out of the meeting, reach into his pocket and pull out the "Terrorism is just a Bumper Sticker Phrase" sticker. He'll wave this before the audience. Make sure we have a lot of muslims who do not appear to be from the Middle East there to shout the phrase over and over. The media will eat this up. The US media is so easy to manipulate. We almost got away with the 9/11 blast and would have, if bin Laden had given us enough lead time to prepare the media to blame the attack on Bush. But they're in line now and we may yet have that card to play.

162 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:10:28am

re: #161 LoneSome Journey

Are you sure those were bombs those crazy kids were caught with? Maybe they'er CAIR packages!

163 jaybo  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:11:05am

Al Arian is friends with the Bushes:
[Link: www.sperryfiles.com...]

Our ruling elites should all be convicted of treason if they do not shut down this entire Bachelor's of Terrorism program at USF.

164 valkyrie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:11:17am
Rivera, who as a fledgling lawyer in the ’70s counseled the Puerto Rican nationalist group the Young Lords, says he can’t stomach the politicians and pundits who are stoking “anti-immigrant hysteria,” and his antipathy extends to some of his colleagues at Fox.

I never knew this about Geraldo. Explains alot.

165 retentionguy  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:11:46am

Anybody else notice that Bedier vigorously defended Megahed while saying he didn't know much about Mohamed? I'll bet he knew EVERYTHING about Mohamed being arrested in Egypt, but just decided to play dumb about it. And the "victim" card was classic. That's all we ever hear nowadays. I am stationed here in Goose Creek, SC right next to the Naval Weapons Station (right down the street) and believe me, the military is watching this closely.

166 Capt_Faust  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:11:47am

Well, lets see what we have here...

Two young guys from the middle east .....CHECK

Both wearing long beards that may be hippy in fashion...CHECK

Both subscribers to a religion that has fanatical murders rampaging across the globe....CHECK

One of these members has a known background involving terrorism...CHECK

Both in a car recreating Mario Andriette's fame on a local roadway...CHECK

This car contained explosives and/or illegal weapons...CHECK

This car was located near a secured United States Military installation...CHECK

Both "students" arrested and detained...CHECK

The Verdict?

AmeriKKKa is a racist nation that needs to stop racial profiling now before it is too late. The entire country must fall under control of a strong Federal government that will doll out all subsidies of money food and clothing to each according to his needs, with the exception of white males, Christians, Jews, and certain members of minorities who are not minority enough due to there support Israel and capitalism (IE. Walter Williams and the like...) all will report to the Ministry of Love for reeducation and all of the AmeriKKKan military are ordered to shoot themselves in the head post haste...

STOP RACIAL PROFILING NOW!

/ (KK)KOS tin foil hat off...

167 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:12:14am

The if they are not a threat why did the prosecutor file charges?

168 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:12:19am

Needs to be flagged:
Will there be any Islamic Empire?

169 storagemanager  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:13:14am

There is a phone number on the Fox Contact Us if you wish to call.

170 Bob's Kid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:13:57am
Which is about as broad as saying a Berkeley student is studying "literature".

Hey, now...it didn't get to be one of the elite universities in the world by offering only "literature" degrees. The sciences kick butt, as well a whole lot of other science.

I'm kind of partial to science, though...

/no claim to impartiality

171 big L  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:14:28am

41- Marge45-- reminds me of Fred Thompson, in look and cadence and plainness of speech.

172 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:15:04am

All you Texas Lizards, keep an eye out for this one.

Mythical Bloodsucking Beast in Texas

173 OpenTheDoor  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:15:35am

re: #6 JammieWearingFool

Kos gets hate mail.

I wouldn't put it past him making this one up.


Ya know, I have registered at kos, burn me later folks "I ain't got time to die", to make just such a statement.
I keep seeing Ashton hollering "PUNKED".

This letter sounded so much like a Huffpost.

174 justadot  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:17:14am

You know you know you're listening to a mendacious a**hole when he uses the words "so-called" as much as Bedier does in that video.

175 Bob's Kid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:18:03am

Um, I meant a whole lot of other subjects...

Never talk and type at the same time, because one of them will suffer.

176 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:18:34am

re: #173 OpenTheDoor
If you're registered at Kos, add this link and see how long it lasts.

177 big L  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:19:45am

126-loflyer- Michael savage predicted this a year ago. so many people dislike him but even a broken clock is right twice a day and he is way more reight than that. He said iirc, that we'd haveto fight the bureaucrats off first before we fight off the islams.
/we are rotting from within.

178 filetandrelease  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:20:48am

Slightly OT

Wasn't it in the Tampa area, where USF is located, where the 2 adult muslims boarded a middle school bus? It seems they naively thought it was a transit bus.

179 Conserve Liberty  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:21:51am

re: #14 JWM

Naive kids- *whew* that's a relief.

Good thing they weren't Islamic terrorists.

JWM

Fireworks. Heh!

When I was in high school my friends and I cut the ends off Whiffle Ball bats and had bottle rocket wars. Cherry Bombs were fireworks. A string of Black Cats was fireworks.

We weren't naive kids - we knew people who made pipe bombs - they were radicals and Weathermen, and we weren't going there.

s/
Kids today need to learn some judgment.
/s

CL

180 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:21:53am

Is there any more info as to why they needed Megahed's DNA?

181 OpenTheDoor  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:22:18am

re: #176 JammieWearingFool
Heh, heh, heh, I wanna be a good mole General Jammie.
Rut roe, I used the same sig, oh bother.

182 Gmac  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:22:47am

Sheesh, someone tell me another fairy tale.

183 Airedale  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:23:20am

re: #123 Charles

Don't miss the video update, in which CAIR's Ahmed Bedier calls the students "victims."


I want to see the video of "How to make a car bomb".
game
set
match

184 JammieWearingFool  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:24:43am

re: #181 OpenTheDoor
Well, he's claiming to be so pro-gay, but has a paper trail indicating he's not.

Just sayin'...

185 savage_nation[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:25:12am
186 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:26:28am

re: #168 NoSubmission
Done, and commented

187 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:26:45am

But, but , but isn't Islam the Religion of Peace?

[Link: www.blogger.com...]


The Sphinx said...

Hey Anonymous@5:19, please pick up your rubbish and post it elsewhere. Islamic takeover of the world? No such thing. It's all one huge lie that you fell for. And when you come in here and act all militant, vigilant and prophetic, that adds a funny twist to your sad appearance.

And that site of yours is full of crap anyway. You don't have any idea about real Islam, and if you did, you wouldn't be posting all this, and would realize that every post of that site is either heavily flawed, completely false, or terribly one-sided.

Evil death cult? I'm a Muslim, my whole family is Muslim, heck even the country I lived in until a year ago was Muslim. Now I may not be an Islamic scholar, but I know 100 times more than you do, and that you're trying to sell me my religion as a death cult is beyond pathetic.


xylonhexes said...

Anonymous said...

"As I said in another post, my grandchildren will NEVER forgive you for allowing them to become Muslim slaves."

LOL... better to serve Allah than the "god" of money and deceit, the "god" of Zionism.

Islam is a misunderstood religion. The Idiots over at LGF think that Islam is all about violence. Get a clue LGF morons, Islam is in a word, "PEACE".


188 Pvt Bin Jammin  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:26:53am

re: #135 baconeatingkaffir

Bedier.. isn' that the thing french people use to clean their hind ends with?


LOL
Can double as a foot bath.

189 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:29:53am
Anxious lovers, bums in the street
Jackals in waistcoats, men in sheets
Purple mountains, waves of grain
Grace of God, thy will be done

If he really thinks we're the devil...

Muslims Care CAIR

/Special Treatment: Get some kind of lawyer!

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE MODERATE MUSLEM COMMUNITY ARE VERY UPSET ABOUT A COUPLE OF CARTOONS. HOWEVER DON'T BAT AN EYE TO THE BOMBING OF INNOCENT PEOPLE AND MURDER IN THE NAME OF ALLAH. WHY DON'T MODERATE MUSLEMS POLICE THE RADICAL MUSLEMS AND TAKE AN ACTIVE STAND AGAINST THEIR BEHAVOIR?

Posted by Anonymous | 2/02/2006 7:11 PM

To the previous anonymous,

I find it interesting that moderate jews get upsets about people using their right to free speech and protest. Why don't they bat their eyes on radical jews killing palestinians in the name of kosher? why don;t they take an active stand on it

Posted by Benjie | 3/31/2006 8:59 PM

190 OpenTheDoor  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:29:56am

re: #184 JammieWearingFool

re: #181 OpenTheDoor
Well, he's claiming to be so pro-gay, but has a paper trail indicating he's not.

Just sayin'...


Lost me, not hard to do, I am old.

191 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:30:01am

Sorry if this is has been posted already:

CAIR Revealed
By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Posted Friday, August 31, 2007
Trail Of Terror: We've wondered why the Council on American-Islamic Relations director has spurned Senate invitations to answer terror charges. Now we know.

For the first time, evidence in a major federal terror case puts CAIR's current executive director — Nihad Awad — at a Philadelphia meeting of alleged Hamas leaders that was secretly recorded by the FBI.

After the Associated Press last week reported the bombshell, CAIR denied claims of ties to Hamas. "That's one of those urban legends about CAIR," said Parvez Ahmed, CAIR's chairman. "It's fed by the right-wing, pro-Israeli blogosphere."

In fact, the evidence was revealed by an FBI agent who testified at the terror-financing trial under way in Dallas.

192 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:30:19am

re: #188 Pvt Bin Jammin

re: #135 baconeatingkaffir

Bedier.. isn' that the thing french people use to clean their hind ends with?


LOL
Can double as a foot bath.

The French clean their hind ends?

193 looking closely  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:31:33am

In due fairness:

I can see why the parents think their kids were just carrying fireworks, wrongly accused, etc.

I'm sure OJ's mom thinks he was framed too.

With respect to obtaining a history of involvement in terrorism in *Egypt*, that's probably a lot easier for the FBI to do, than a University, especially if the former was actively trying, and there hasn't been a criminal conviction.

194 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:31:41am

CAIR = The Council of Anti-American Islamofascist Radicals

195 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:31:51am

re: #186 Thanos

re: #168 NoSubmission
Done, and commented


Just saw yours and a couple of others. Well done! LOL

196 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:31:56am

I had a feeling the FBI was being a bit on the wierd side to downplay and cast doubt on the local police for having stated that what they found was something more than just mere fireworks.

197 jcm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:32:00am

re: #189 LC LaWedgie

re: #189 LC LaWedgie

Why don't they bat their eyes on radical jews killing palestinians in the name of kosher?


They are eating Palestinians?

198 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:32:01am

re: #187 kreigwagon

Probably not a good idea to link to that -- they get zip for traffic unless someone here links.

199 hippieforlife  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:32:04am

re: #51 GregInSeattle

Greg, it is a beautiful day in the Pacific Northwest! That wonderful fall smell is in the air.

Have a safe trip home.

200 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:32:33am

#184 JWF
I wonder if Kos' back-and-forth on gays is,.. well, proof evidence he's gay evolving? He should run for Congress. He has that "ewwwwwwwww" factor.
/bowl-shaped haircut nevah go out of style

201 valkyrie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:32:49am

re: #177 big L

So true. The other day, my husband was talking to a woman friend about the lone jihadist who carried out the shootings at the Jewish Federation here in Seattle. His friend was perplexed and said, "I didn't know that guy was a Muslim!" The really sad thing is that this woman lives two blocks from where the shootings happened and you'd think she would have followed the story more closely to get the real story behind the story.

The silence on the part of the MSM and our government officials are an incredible disservice to us all.

202 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:34:57am

re: #197 jcm

Yeah, that's them Benjies. Go figure.

203 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:34:58am

re: #191 NoSubmission

I read the "hard copy" this morning. Thanks sharing. IBD "Gets It" and IMHO, IBD offers the a much better view on the world than just about any other publication.

204 xrayon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:35:59am

re: #197 jcm

re: #189 LC LaWedgie

re: #189 LC LaWedgie

Why don't they bat their eyes on radical jews killing palestinians in the name of kosher?


They are eating Palestinians?

They ran out of Christian blessing blood so they are now switching to non-hydrogenated Palestinian.

205 NoSubmission  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:37:39am

Stop The Madrassa Launches National Offensive

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

August 30, 2007, New York, New York — Stop the Madrassa will hold a press conference on the steps of New York City Hall on the first day of school next Tuesday September 4 to announce the launch of a new national organization, as well as an intensified initiative to force New York City to respond to Freedom of Information Law requests concerning textbooks, lesson plans and design documents for the Khalil Gibran International Academy.

The new organization, Citizens for American Values in Public Education, will expand the fight nationwide to stop the imposition of radical Islamist agendas in curricula, Arabic language programs, history classes, textbooks, teacher training, and charter schools.

It will also demand the immediate closing of the Khalil Gibran International Academy in Brooklyn , New York. Stop the Madrassa succeeded in forcing the resignation of KGIA’s controversial founder and first principal, Dhabah Almontaser.

STOP THE MADRASSA
Press Conference
Opening Day of School, Tuesday, September 4
12:15 p.m.
Steps of City Hall, New York City

Note: Our organization will not be holding any events in front of or even in the vicinity of the KGIA, and urge others to respect the safety and well-being of the children and others at the site and refrain from holding any events or activities there.

206 justadot  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:37:45am

re: #178 filetandrelease

Slightly OT

Wasn't it in the Tampa area, where USF is located, where the 2 adult muslims boarded a middle school bus? It seems they naively thought it was a transit bus.

Yes, it was. Saudis to write ending to school bus adventure

Instead of any more jail time, the State's Attorney's Office gave them a writing assignment.

"They have to write an essay in English documenting their experience," said state attorney's spokeswoman Pam Bondi, adding that it would "aid other students from other cultures" by showing them "what is allowable and acceptable in our country."

w-t-f?

207 squarepeg  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:37:52am

re: #168 NoSubmission

Meh, I wouldn't flag it. It's just an uninspiring recitation of the same old Muslim delusions along with pictures that are about as inviting as a root canal. How many non-Muslims around the world want to convert and then wind up in a soldier's uniform bowing to Mecca? Oh, and not a woman in sight in the vid! I thought it was preach-to-the-choir propaganda.

But whatever, I wouldn't defend it against flagging, either.

208 LC LaWedgie  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:38:21am

Palizoan stewed tomatoes.

209 hippieforlife  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:40:11am

This seems like a fairly large story, but neither Kos or Huffpo are even acting like it happened. They are way to busy frothing about the evil Bush_____ (insert your favorite demo talking point here.)

If they would direct even a small amount of that anger where it is deserved, these young men would not be in our country.

But no, they do not want to have "American citizens" spied on!
This type of situation is another example of the agenda of groups of radical Muslims. What a damn shame. They would rather be so angry at GW Bush that they are willing to sacrifice our entire country just so they can say "I told you so!"

210 PeaceBeUponHim  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:40:14am

re: #187 kreigwagon

Poor guy thinks Islam actually means peace.

211 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:40:44am
212 Render  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:41:36am

re: #198 Thanos

...and I, for one, would have appreciated knowing what the link was before I clicked it. (I really got stop trusting blind links on here...)

I noticed Chen over there, as well as a troll last seen getting his ass metaphorically beaten over at Culture For All.

Getting slimier by the second.

GRAINS
OF
SAND,
R

213 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:41:51am

re: #187 kreigwagon

The Sphinx is mad because he was banned from here hehe.

Sharmuta kicked his butt over on another's blog. Was amusing to see him bawl like a baby. I don't go to that blog but I couldn't resist watching The Sphynx bite the big one.

214 Trinitytim  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:43:15am

These guys are terrorists pure and simple. Lock em up!

Great job by Berkely County Sherrif's Department deputies.

215 Thanos  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:44:52am

re: #206 justadot

re: #178 filetandrelease


Slightly OT

Wasn't it in the Tampa area, where USF is located, where the 2 adult muslims boarded a middle school bus? It seems they naively thought it was a transit bus.


Yes, it was. Saudis to write ending to school bus adventure

Instead of any more jail time, the State's Attorney's Office gave them a writing assignment.


"They have to write an essay in English documenting their experience," said state attorney's spokeswoman Pam Bondi, adding that it would "aid other students from other cultures" by showing them "what is allowable and acceptable in our country."

w-t-f?


It's just freaking creepy to read that on the third anniversary of the Beslan Massacre.

216 filetandrelease  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:45:16am

re: #206 justadot

They have to write an essay

Darn it, I was hoping they would have to write on a chalk board "I will not blow up school children" 100 times.

217 Render  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:46:01am

re: #213 Highrise

Sphinx is the badly beaten troll from Culture For All that I was talking about in my #212. This whole innernet thing just ain't workin out so good fer him.

DID
YOU
KNOW,
R

218 Abu Bin Squid  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:46:30am

#211 ploome
imagine if the John the Baptist Society showed up whenever a Catholic was arrested, to see that this Catholics' religious and human rights were abserved

No one would pay attention to the John the Baptist Society. They're all wet.

/had to

219 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:47:52am

re: #217 Render

Are you sure that blow them up was all they wanted to do? I know that Saudi's have a "Bizarre love of children" if you know what i mean.

220 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:51:55am

re: #217 Render

Isn't it amusing to see these types hang out together?

Birds of a feather flock together.

221 Twombley2  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:52:52am

Victims, eh? that's rich!

" Let our poor, mis understood children go! it was just a college prank! they weren't hurting anyone! they meant no harm (even though they posted on the internet about blowing people up)! Just because they had pipe bombs doesn't mean anything! pipe bombs have all sorts of uses! you're just discriminating because you hate islam and muslims!"

Yeah right. reminds me of something I've heard often enough: the greatest trick the devil ever played was to make man beleive he didn't exist. Anyone else here see any parallels to what CAIR, Keith Ellison, and all the other islamic apologists are attempting to do?

You know, Northeast Intelligence Network posts about this often, and Sean Osborne has a great peice up about it at the moment. It's my sincere beleif that CAIR, and other entities like the ACLU don't just support Radical Islam and its goals, but are ACTIVELY AND COVERTLY trying to further that cause. More than that. They are working to destroy the west, with funding of Terrorists, Support for them here and abroad in every way possible (legal and otherwise), and by actively coordinating with Other Radical Home Grown Anti America Organizations. I am SPECIFICALLY talking about the ACLU.

Now, back a few years ago, the london subway was bombed. Just after that, the NYPD started taking precautions to prevent just such an attack. ONE DAY after the NYPD instituted efforts to keep us safe and stop something like that here, THE ACLU SUED. they claimed it was invasion of privacy and other things as well.

They would rather we die then their bags get searched. I can only conclude that they WANT A TERRORIST ATTACK HERE. They represent Terrorists like Jose Padilla, and several high ranking ACLU leaders have been convicted of CHILD PORN related charges.

Are these organizations REALLY the kind we americans should tolerate!? ( organizations like CAIR, MSA, and ACLU) Why do we allow them to exist? why do we continue to tolerate their subversive ways, and their damaging effects on National Security? someone explain that for me. i dont get it.

No those students were Egyptian Terrorists, caught outside a navy base with a computer and Bombs. They have links to terrorists in egypt, and correct me if I'm wrong the biggest terror group there is EIJ (egyptian islamic jihad, run by Al Qaeda's no2), and thus possibly these guys are linked to AQ by a number of degrees, IF NOT DIRECTLY.

And yet, look who comes out of the woodwork to apologize, explain away, and cry fowl. WAKE UP FOLKS.

Its high time we grow some courage and take on the enemy sympathizers and enemy supporters here on our own soil. Daily Kos, Huffpo, are only part of the problem. They are americans who prefer the enemy to their own country. they are, in my book, traitors. The other half of the problem is enemy organizations allowed to grow, flourish and operate unchecked on american soil: ACLU, CAIR, MSA. we have a lot of work to do, and time is running out.

What if Musharraf falls, and Dr. AQ Khan arranges for al qaeda to illicitly acquire a nuclear bomb? or three? or more? do we really want to watch NYC, Chicago, and other cities Evaporate? this is the road we are travelling down, willingly. With NAFTA any Mexican Truck can drive across the border. So, how hard would it be for Al Qaeda to rent a mexican-owned and registered Ryder Truck, and a mexican driver affiliated with them, and truck a bomb north? if that doesnt scare the hell out of you nothing will.

WE NEED TO STOP LISTENING TO THOSE LULLING US TO SLEEP, AND STOP TOLERATING THOSE WHO ARE WORKING TO DESTROY US FROM THE INSIDE.

twombley

222 ploome hineni[deleted]  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:54:09am
223 Render  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:57:48am

re: #219 baconeatingkaffir

BEK maman, I think you wanted #216 there...

COWBOY
HAT,
R

224 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 10:58:03am

re: #221 Twombley2

I agree.

That is why to start with, we need to be able to be honest about what is going on....I'm more than perturbed that it seems whenever something is leaning towards a threat, the first thing out of authorities mouth such as the FBI is *we don't know what it is but it isn't terrorism related*.

Cut the crap, gov't agencies, We The People aren't stupid.

225 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:01:31am

re: #198 Thanos

re: #210 PeaceBeUponHim

re: #213 Highrise

re: #187 kreigwagon

The Sphinx is mad because he was banned from here hehe.

Sharmuta kicked his butt over on another's blog. Was amusing to see him bawl like a baby. I don't go to that blog but I couldn't resist watching The Sphynx bite the big one.

Yeah, sorry about where "that" came from. Just goggled LGF "hate sites and found that.

226 justadot  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:01:50am

re: #215 Thanos

Damn, that's just stomach-turning. I'm sorry to say it, but I expect something like Beslan in America one day . I don't know if this was a "probing" incident just to see what the reaction would be, but there's NO way I'm going to disregard my suspicions for some con-artist like Bedier claiming bigotry. He gave the same canned statement for the two students back then:

"We've said all along this was a mistake and a misunderstanding," said Ahmed Bedier, director of the Central Florida Council on American-Islamic Relations. "They are very naive as to how the system works here. They didn't mean any harm."

227 Trinitytim  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:02:24am

Hey twombley, great post. Right on. I couldn't have said it better myself.

228 justadot  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:10:05am

re: #216 filetandrelease

Ha. Or this:

"When detained by authorities for suspected terroristic activities, I will be cagey and evasive until Ahmed Bedier and CAIR begins baffling them with bullsh** and obtains my release."

Bedier's been real busy lately…

229 uberfasiq  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:10:32am

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

Collectively speaking CAIR is a modern day version of Muhammad bin Maslama who lied in order to gain the confidence of the very man that he assassinated.

You can think of it this way: CAIR is there to make sure that the United States slumbers in peaceful deception, while we are infiltrated by those who want to destroy us for the glory of Allah.

America will not survive if it does not wake up...and soon.

230 mattm  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:13:09am

So when some kid put a Koran in the toilet they will say it was just some "naive kid." Not.

I would live to see the FBI and other law-enforcement agencies raid every CIAR office. I bet their is a treasure trove of information in their.

231 Dustyvet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:19:08am

CAIR-Tampa’s Terror Defense Network and the Media


[Link: www.frontpagemag.com...]

232 insanity police  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:24:13am

CAIR = Caliphate Arab Islamist Representatives.

233 sadhu  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:26:58am

3 days now of Craig's face on CNN

not a peep about this story, the ISNA conference, the Lebanese letter bomber in Ontario, or Hillary and Hsu

typical

234 Blackacre  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:28:01am
“Both of them are really naive kids,” Bedier said.

What's this "kids" crap?

Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, an engineering graduate student and teaching assistant ... Youssef Samir Megahed, 21, also an engineering student ...

Kids they're not.

235 Peter_Wiggin  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:29:37am

Funny, they also call the thousands of qassams that rain on Israel daily "fireworks". CAIR just doesn't seem to know what words mean, anyone want to chip in on a dictionary for them?

236 reine.de.tout  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:37:38am
It should be noted that after their arrest, the Council on American Islamic Relations immediately jumped out and defended these two, saying they were just “naïve kids” and the pipe bombs were nothing but “fireworks.”

"Fireworks" - the new defense du jour?

237 samsgran1948  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:38:28am

re: #117 jcm

The problem has been 50 years in the making. The privileged and pampered baby boom generation's world was secured by the efforts of the greatest generation. This pampered and secure upbringing result in a world view expressed in the Summer of Love; all will be peace and light if we are just NICE to everyone.

Some of us Boomers did not grow up so safe and secure. Some of us grew up with the idea of: when the bomb was dropped, not if the bomb was dropped. I remember standing in school hallways, all of us little kids piled together, hands behind our necks because that was how we were going to survive a nuclear blast. I also very clearly remember the Cuban missle crisis which happened when I was in jr. hi. When I was in college, a friend had to desensitize me to the Nebraska monthly tornado siren tests. (Back in New Jersey, that same siren testing was used for the occasional town wide nuclear bombing warning test.)

This is why I simply cannot understand why so many Boomers are so willing to just prostrate themselves before the Muslim threat. Ahmadenijad's promises to overthrow the west are no different than Khrushchev's pounding his shoe on his desk at the UN and threatening to bury the US.

238 Dustyvet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:47:44am

Indicted USF Student has Terror Past in Egypt


[Link: www.investigativeproject.org...]

239 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:57:35am

re: #234 Blackacre

“Both of them are really naive kids,” Bedier said.

What's this "kids" crap?

Ahmed Abdellatif Sherif Mohamed, 24, an engineering graduate student and teaching assistant ... Youssef Samir Megahed, 21, also an engineering student ...

Kids they're not.

Thank you! I get SOOOOO tired of people being called kids when they are 18 and up. I simply don't get it. While I might have been foolish a little bit at 18, I was NOT a kid. People call our soldiers kids too...and it's completely inappropriate.

240 JohnRC  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 11:58:34am

Mega Dead and Moe Ham Mud

241 Dustyvet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:08:42pm

pipe bomb


NOUN:

An explosive device contained in a metal pipe.

242 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:14:28pm

re: #225 kreigwagon

re: #198 Thanos

re: #210 PeaceBeUponHim

re: #213 Highrise

re: #187 kreigwagon

The Sphinx is mad because he was banned from here hehe.

Sharmuta kicked his butt over on another's blog. Was amusing to see him bawl like a baby. I don't go to that blog but I couldn't resist watching The Sphynx bite the big one.

Yeah, sorry about where "that" came from. Just goggled LGF "hate sites and found that.

Interesting when one googles LGF+Islam, LGF+War on Terror, LGF+Politics. It appers that ther is quite a bit of negativity directed towards LGF and other conservative blogs. Like my father-in-law used to say, "If there slings and arrows directed at you, you must be doing something right" or something like that.

243 kreigwagon  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:17:48pm

re: #242 kreigwagon

Uh, guess I should PIMF before I post and stop posting and working on a project at the same time.

/you know men can't multi-task

244 solomonpanting  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:22:25pm
Those two Egyptian students at the University of South Florida who were caught with pipe bombs near a South Carolina Navy base have been indicted,
CAIR’s Ahmed Bedier says the two students are “victims.”

A constant stae of deNile.

245 sheik yer'mami  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:26:04pm

They are victims of Islam.

They are really naive kidz because they are brainwashed and believe this shit.

The Caliphate is the Solution, folks:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

246 solomonpanting  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:30:15pm

re: #245 sheik yer'mami

state

247 solomonpanting  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:31:14pm

re: #246 solomonpanting

Uh, that was intended for my #244.

248 savetheus  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:32:45pm

Looks like a thread to link to my favorite anti-CAIR video with 100,000+ views and a whine from CAIR in a press release about it to boot.

The anti-CAIR video link
(be patient it really kicks with the music about 1:30)

The CAIR whine
about the video

249 ChipDWood  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:37:38pm

It all hearkens back to the problem being exasperated by a generation simply pampered into thinking that harsh words are as effective as stern action.

The term "victim" here as well is laughable.

Language. All of it about language. We can see how many solutions have been born out of playing with language, rather than doing things about the problems this pampered and political laziness in the head have caused for the west.

Only the insane would call these people 'victims'. That's it.

250 Dustyvet  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:39:10pm

re: #236 reine.de.tout

It should be noted that after their arrest, the Council on American Islamic Relations immediately jumped out and defended these two, saying they were just “naïve kids” and the pipe bombs were nothing but “fireworks.”

"Fireworks" - the new defense du jour?


pipe bomb


NOUN:

An explosive device contained in a metal pipe.

251 LeftJustAintRight  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:44:41pm
"Fireworks" - the new defense du jour?


Sounds like the hood slang

I'm gonna put a cap in your as&


I hope they go to gitmo

252 Highrise  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 12:52:29pm

re: #248 savetheus

Looks like a thread to link to my favorite anti-CAIR video with 100,000+ views and a whine from CAIR in a press release about it to boot.

The

253 Reluctant Democrat  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 1:09:05pm

I work at a university, and I know for a fact their association has lobbied heavily from 9/11 on for easy admittance into the US. Foreign students pay full tuition, so they are highly sought after. It's also my experience that checking up on their attendance is spotty at best.

Two Asian students showed up one day saying they had gone home for a semester and could they please get back in--we had no record that they even left, even tho their record showed an obvious clue, that they had not registered for a single class. I'm sure all the terrorists know this sloppiness full well. Oh, well, our colleges are getting richer!

254 ladycatnip  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 1:16:26pm

#237 samsgran 1948

I remember standing in school hallways, all of us little kids piled together, hands behind our necks because that was how we were going to survive a nuclear blast.

Wow! Memories came flooding back...we had bomb sirens every Friday at 10:00am throughout our city; if you were at home we dove under a table, and at school we had to duck under our desks with our arms folded behind our necks. The things they did in the '50's - sheesh.

255 Friend of USA  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:00:36pm

Some of them wear the fireworks as a vest.

They are very festive people , that is it.

Nothing to see,

Move along.

256 Libs are Mental  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:22:11pm

Damn, Take a weekend trip to S.C get 15 to life. Gotta love those RoP travel agents.

257 kimberly  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:49:52pm

Leftover fireworks?! What the fark?

Fireworks are legal in South Carolina. Thus, law enforcement down there is not going to get too bent out of shape when someone has fireworks in their car. They understand what are and aren't fireworks. These were not fireworks.

258 shanec99  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:51:25pm

re: #256 Libs are Mental
All at the American tax payer no less, including access to gym, college courses, three meals daily and clothing.

The only stipulations were that they:
1. Purchase explosives out of state.
2. Use the explosives to manufacture weapons.
3. Transport the weapons across state line in the vicinity of a Naval Weapons Station with a sensitive Brig.

It seems to me that these fellows are getting more than they bargained for. Can anyone think of a travel agent who could have provided them a longer or greater subsidized vacation?

259 shanec99  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 3:54:42pm

re: #257 kimberly

I am sure that when a suicide bomber detonates his vest it must appear to him as if he had the hottest seat at a fire works show.

So yeah, they did have the stuff to make fire works.

260 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 5:51:45pm

re: #253 Reluctant Democrat

I think some univiersities should offer a "terrorism " major just to recruit those foreign students. Heck, maybe CAIR could even offer scholarships!

261 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 5:58:28pm

re: #237 samsgran1948

re: #117 jcm

The problem has been 50 years in the making. The privileged and pampered baby boom generation's world was secured by the efforts of the greatest generation. This pampered and secure upbringing result in a world view expressed in the Summer of Love; all will be peace and light if we are just NICE to everyone.

Some of us Boomers did not grow up so safe and secure. Some of us grew up with the idea of: when the bomb was dropped, not if the bomb was dropped. I remember standing in school hallways, all of us little kids piled together, hands behind our necks because that was how we were going to survive a nuclear blast. I also very clearly remember the Cuban missle crisis which happened when I was in jr. hi. When I was in college, a friend had to desensitize me to the Nebraska monthly tornado siren tests. (Back in New Jersey, that same siren testing was used for the occasional town wide nuclear bombing warning test.)

This is why I simply cannot understand why so many Boomers are so willing to just prostrate themselves before the Muslim threat. Ahmadenijad's promises to overthrow the west are no different than Khrushchev's pounding his shoe on his desk at the UN and threatening to bury the US.

I remember the duck and cover drills as well. Once a teacher asked us kids if we had any questions and I asked one that got the drills stopped. Since the Soviet Union has this base (Ellsworth AFB) targeted with several megatons of nuclear distruction what good is the duck and cover exercise since if the primary fireball doesn't get us then the secondary radiation surely will? I also vividly remember what happened during the Cuban Missile Crisis (same base) rather scary for a kid to realize that they might cease to exist for no other reason than where they happen to live at the time.

262 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:11:32pm

re: #261 Perplexed

I got issued dog tags and an Id card at the ripe age of 3 when my father got transferred to berlin. THey used to have dependant evac. drills all the way up until I was a teenager when I was a dependant growing up in Germany. Funny how people don't realize that not only were military people but their families were affected bythe cold war.

263 David IV of Georgia  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:21:07pm

re: #261 Perplexed

I used to live in a first strike area where they said the only way to have a chance of surviving a nuclear war was to be sitting on a runway in a supersonic fighter plane with the engine running when the attack began—if you kept the jet at full afterburner you might be able to survive.

Most people there thought the best plan was to get out on the lawn to watch the incoming warheads.

264 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:26:53pm

re: #262 baconeatingkaffir

re: #261 Perplexed

I got issued dog tags and an Id card at the ripe age of 3 when my father got transferred to berlin. THey used to have dependant evac. drills all the way up until I was a teenager when I was a dependant growing up in Germany. Funny how people don't realize that not only were military people but their families were affected bythe cold war.

Yes, and it was no fun. Go to school with civilians and they might as well have been from another planet. Have a cousin who wound up going to a civilian school and the teacher called his parents ans said "there's something wrong with your son. I talk about Europe and he says that he's been there." The funny thing was that the kid really had been there, seen it and done it before he was 12.

M

ost people there thought the best plan was to get out on the lawn to watch the incoming warheads

Cool, a front row seat on your being evaporated by a multi-megaton nuclear blast. Wouldn't have much time to even say "aw shit."

265 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:32:58pm

re: #264 Perplexed

My best friend (from my days in Germany) and I had some pretty funky ideas. We planned on not being evacuated and mixing it up with the warsaw pact forces. Not bad for a couple of 15 year olds who enjoyed watching "Red Dawn".

266 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:39:21pm

re: #265 baconeatingkaffir

re: #264 Perplexed

My best friend (from my days in Germany) and I had some pretty funky ideas. We planned on not being evacuated and mixing it up with the warsaw pact forces. Not bad for a couple of 15 year olds who enjoyed watching "Red Dawn".

That would have really gone over well. I had a brother (Army) stationed just outside of the Fulda Gap. He jokingly said that the life expectancy of everyone around that base, would have been 15-20 minutes after the war started and the best they could hope for was that the base was out on maneuvers when the Soviets/Warsaw Pact attacked, since those folks might have a slim chance of seeing the next day. I suspect though that the Soviets might have had some problems with some of their Warsaw Pact friends doing rear guard attacks against them,

267 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:44:10pm

re: #266 Perplexed

I somehow remember that they predicted alot of the ethnic minorities in the soviet army would revolt against them.

268 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:45:57pm

From my time as a brat in germany and my time as a GI, I never had much respect for the West German army. They seemed like boyscouts with automatic weapons. However, it was cool to go with our "brother unit" and qualify with their weapons. I got the silver shooting cord and PT award. I would have got gold but the MP whatever machine gun they use has a really weird center of gravity to it. It's interesting. Army guys can wear that with their class-a's always, while the AF would only let us wear it while we were in Europe.

269 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:49:20pm

Yeah, the USAF didn't want anyone to handle weapons and to acknowledge that you'd actually shot a foreign military's weapons and were good at it.... Gave the higherups the vapors.

270 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 6:52:08pm

Yeah, but being an SP augmentee was pretty cool. It gave me a break from the hypochondriac dependant wives in the clinic.

271 savetheus  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:11:52pm

I would love if LGFers started getting into these press conferences and asking some good questions.

#1) Since you guys are un-indicted co-conspirators in the ongoing trial up North what group will speak for you when you guys finally get arrested?

#2) Your leaders have stated your organization would like the constitution voided and to be replaced with the soul-crushing Islamic Sharia law. Do you have a forecast on when you think you'll achieve your goal?

Man I'd love to see that.

I wonder if there could be a donation funded organization funded that can dog these Islamists at every news conference. Man I'd pay to fund that!

272 Perplexed  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:14:15pm

One of my coworkers was an augie doggie. He managed to get duty watching the NCO club parking lot. He was chased around the parking lot on more than one night by drunk wives of NCOs. Got to point that he found a hiding spot just to avoid having them bring drinks out for him. One night he had 15 drinks lined up on the curb.

273 baconeatingkaffir  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:16:27pm

re: #272 Perplexed

yeah, I admit sometimes it did have its moments. It was cool in the summer but it sucked in the winter.

274 EE  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:35:13pm

There isn't a jihaditerrorist in America that CAIR doesn't claim is being victimized when it is outted.

In this case, the jihaditerrorists did two important and related things: on-line publishing of a video on building devices for jihaditerrorism; and transporting materials for making a device for jihaditerrorism.

They seem to be practicing what they preach.

The theoretician of radical Islam, Sayyid Qutb, said that all Muslims were victimized by the existence of non-Muslims, and so any non-Muslims were fair game for being killed in jihad.

The Islamists, including CAIR, have twisted the concept of victimization so much that in their hands the concept of victimization cannot even be recognized any more.

275 Farang Kheemao  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:35:13pm

Let me get this straight.
In the U.S. we're taught to, "Say it with flowers."
Islam teaches them to, "Say it with bombs."
But let's not forget, they are just children.
CAIR where are you? I have a bridge I want to sell you.

276 EE  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:37:37pm

CAIR -- a jihaditerrorist's best friend ?

277 cbinflux  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:51:17pm

If you haven't read it, it's still news?

278 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 7:59:24pm

re: #143 jcm

ooohhh! CAIR has 33 chapters.... what 4 members each?

4 members.... That's a good number for a "cell".

279 Shay4l  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:08:30pm

Any time one of these groups starts crying "victim" my BS detector immediately goes off.

Better 2 faux-"victims" than 3000 real ones.

280 ali al-beheshti  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 8:56:05pm

BSD

Yousef Megahed's real name (if you can read arabic) is yousef MUJAHID, like the mujahidin. Since Egyptians pronounce the arabic letter jiim as a soft g, names get transliterated incorrectly. Hmm an egyptian named MUJAHID (bringer of, or participant in JIHAD) schlepping around explosives & teaching others the "gentle art". Quelle Surprise.

281 Cheeseland  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:25:27pm

re: #1 JammieWearingFool

I notice that in the press conference, they are refered, not as suspects, but as victims.

The spokesman expresses frustration that they have not been able to get information from the police about the victims.

They are also very happy that only explosives were found, but no bomb making supplies.

hmmm.

282 J'accuzzi  Sat, Sep 1, 2007 9:27:37pm

South Carolina Navy base? Talk about the silent service.

283 bos  Sun, Sep 2, 2007 6:55:33am

What if the materials are leftover firecrackers and if the video (where is this video, btw? why can't we watch it?) turns out to be a diet-coke-and-mentos bomb, and if this case is thrown out like so many other cases? To cite just one example, did LGF ever update its cellphone terrorists story to make it clear that the all terror-related charges were dropped?

284 Cheeseland  Sun, Sep 2, 2007 3:17:44pm

re: #283 bos

bos, thanks for the update.

The men still face misdemeanor counts of falsification stemming from allegations that they initially gave deputies different names than the names that appeared on their IDs. The men also initially said they were buying phones for a relative’s construction business, then changed the story when deputies asked for contact information, Washington County Prosecutor James Schneider said.

Since they were a confused when first answering the police questions, I guess someone got a bit suspicious. What exactly were they doing with 600 cell phone $11,000 cash and airline passenger lists?

It will be interesting to hear what really went on once this thing makes it out into the open.

285 bos  Mon, Sep 3, 2007 1:38:36am

#284 Cheeseland

you're welcome. According to other reports, they had the phones because they were buying cheap ones from Walmart and then driving cross country selling them to gas station owners. That might explain the cash, too. Haven't read about the other things yet.

Too bad you had to get the update from me. Wonder why doesn't Charles update these stories when the supposed terrorist end up being a couple jocks trying to make some legal money.

286 Hard Right  Tue, Sep 4, 2007 10:03:30am

re: #285 bos

#284 Cheeseland

you're welcome. According to other reports, they had the phones because they were buying cheap ones from Walmart and then driving cross country selling them to gas station owners. That might explain the cash, too. Haven't read about the other things yet.

Too bad you had to get the update from me. Wonder why doesn't Charles update these stories when the supposed terrorist end up being a couple jocks trying to make some legal money.

Ah, so you know for a fact that's what they are doing? Jeez, you are an idiot. Aren't you lkate for a CAIR meeting?


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