It will be dust by tomorrow...

“The Fascists are taking the Jews to the concentration camps,”

Odd- I thought it was the nazis.

Yes, let's let Memri weigh in first

"Anybody who recognizes Israel will burn in the fire of the Islamic nation's fury."

"Remove Israel before it is too late and save yourself from the fury of regional nations."

"The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land. As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map."

"If the West does not support Israel, this regime will be toppled. As it has lost its raison d' tre, Israel will be annihilated."

"Israel is a tyrannical regime that will one day will be destroyed."

"Israel is a rotten, dried tree that will be annihilated in one storm."

Is the 48-Hour Rule in effect?

"

They have invented a myth that Jews were massacred and place this above God, religions and the prophets."

"We ask the West to remove what they created sixty years ago and if they do not listen to our recommendations, then the Palestinian nation and other nations will eventually do this for them."

"The real Holocaust is what is happening in Palestine where the Zionists avail themselves of the fairy tale of Holocaust as blackmail and justification for killing children and women and making innocent people homeless."

"The West claims that more than six million Jews were killed in World War II and to compensate for that they established and support Israel. If it is true that the Jews were killed in Europe, why should Israel be established in the East, in Palestine?"

"If you have burned the Jews, why don't you give a piece of Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to Israel. Our question is, if you have committed this huge crime, why should the innocent nation of Palestine pay for this crime?"
Threats against Israel

“The Fascists are taking the Jews to the concentration camps,” the man says. The hero, named Habib Parsa, then begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

So islamists can chop their heads off.

I smell bait and switch -- This is probably a short-term public relations stunt designed to give Iran's western leftist apologists some ammunition. I wouldn't at all be surprised if after a short while, Jooos appear as villains.

The Nazi's are probably portrayed as sympathetic villains.

The Germans will buy it.

re: #8 Lucius Septimius

Bingo!

I just smell bait ... rotten fish .. maybe a dead pigs carcass.

This is like the police association holding a hookers and deviates ball. It just sounds too wierd to be real.

...But the series has won support even from hardliners. Some argue that it links the Holocaust with Israel's creation, thus boosting an argument by Ahmadinejad that if the Nazi killing of Jews did take place, the Palestinians who then lived in Palestine should not have had to pay the price for it by the creation of Israel after the war.

"The series differentiates between Jews and Zionism. The ground for forming Israel is prepared when Hitler's army puts pressure on activist Jews. In this sense, it considers Nazism parallel to Zionism," the hard-line newspaper Keyhan said...

Worry not. Or worry. The state of Iran hasn't all of a sudden gone all warm and fuzzy. Just a different spin is all.

On the other hand there are factions in the Islamic world who see the Holocaust as something that is now good for Jews -- from their twisted POV it's a perpetual victim card instead of one of the most horrid periods in history. Not having had the horror of their own holocaust they yearn to be the "new jews" somehow some way. Could this be just more preparation for Jihad? I'm confused... until I know more.

re: #5 Macker

This story has been knocking around for about a week or so. I think I linked to a video report on it a few days ago. It's real.

Just to play Devil's Advocate, if this TV show is sympathic to the Jews, is it fictional or were there any Iranian diplomats in Paris who may have actually done this for real?

Wasn't there some Japanese diplomat who wrote out visas to Jews in WW2 russia?

Wait for the end of the series.

Maybe this is the Iranian version of MSNBC - contrarian viewpoint with a very, small viewership.

re: #7 BignJames

“The Fascists are taking the Jews to the concentration camps,” the man says. The hero, named Habib Parsa, then begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

So islamists can chop their heads off.

You beat me to it. I was going to say "... so they can blow them up with suicide bombers." I'm sure the Jews will turn on their benefactors before the show is over.

Now remember kiddies, this is how to recognize a jew sympathizer.

And the number to call is ...

But of course, being AP, they had to throw in a jab at Isreal:

"to then-Palestine." As if there was a country called Palestine...ever.

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

Just to play Devil's Advocate, if this TV show is sympathic to the Jews, is it fictional or were there any Iranian diplomats in Paris who may have actually done this for real?

Wasn't there some Japanese diplomat who wrote out visas to Jews in WW2 russia?

I am relatively certain thge Iranians put together two divisions worth of SS Troops fighting for Germany in WW II.

That pig is skidding to the ground. The Wall Street Journal had the same story this past week but included details which AP does not. Yes, it is too good to be true. The Holocaust victims are deeply opposed to the creation of the state of Israel. Even one of the rabbis speaks scathingly of "the Zionists". One of the Jews refuses to marry a Jewish woman because she wants to emigrate to Palestine. Pro Holocaust victims, anti-Israel, anti-Zionist.

But the Holocaust is a Zionist lie. I don't believe this at all.

“The Fascists are taking the Jews to the concentration camps,” the man says. The hero, named Habib Parsa, then begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

Hmmm... I smell set up . To the tune of the Jews being ungrateful and turning on their benevolent "rescuers" in the sequel. If this is even for real.

Irans surprising TV smash hit (video)

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

Just to play Devil's Advocate, if this TV show is sympathic to the Jews, is it fictional or were there any Iranian diplomats in Paris who may have actually done this for real?

Wasn't there some Japanese diplomat who wrote out visas to Jews in WW2 russia?

Then they go against Mohammad...and should be beheaded...

Qur'an 2:64 "But you [Jews] went back on your word and were lost losers. So become apes, despised and hated. We made an example out of you."
Ishaq:240 "The Jews are a nation of liars... The Jews are a treacherous, lying, and evil people."

I don't he save them

...Ishaq:245 "Do you love Jews and their religion, you liver-hearted ass, and not Muhammad? Their religion will never march with ours... Jews make false professions about Islam. So Allah sent down: ‘Satan wishes to lead them astray."

I would not trust Iran if they said it was Monday...and it was.

re: #14 Thanos

On the other hand there are factions in the Islamic world who see the Holocaust as something that is now good for Jews -- from their twisted POV it's a perpetual victim card instead of one of the most horrid periods in history. Not having had the horror of their own holocaust they yearn to be the "new jews" somehow some way. Could this be just more preparation for Jihad? I'm confused... until I know more.

Given the distinction between "Jews" and "Zionists" ( a false one, but a useful one for anti-Semites) they might just be using it as a way of saying two things:

1) Jews used to be innocent victims, but now they are just like their persecutors, a pretty common cant among the leftists already.

2) "Jews" are all gone -- the current "Zionists" really aren't Jews, because they were all killed in WWII (a similar argument is used by a particularly odd group of Afro-centrists who claim that Africans are the "real" Jews).

In this movie the 12th Immam shows Anne Frank how to hide from the nazi's in a well.

re: #17 Perplexed

Wait for the end of the series.

I predict that the Iranian's Jewish girlfriend will convert to Islam and the two will live happily everafter in Iran.

re: #24 judithet

Ahah! That confirms my suspicions.

Islam hates...Jews and Christians...in Islam only Muslims are human...the rest are kafir...unclean beast...to be used or killed by humans...(Muslims )

re: #31 Piglet-U93

Or something else equally repulsive along those lines. The furrow's been plowed by muslims and it never deviates very far from the party line.

re: #33 storagemanager

Islam hates...Jews and Christians...in Islam only Muslims are human...the rest are kafir...unclean beast...to be used or killed by humans...(Muslims )

Of those three groups which one is the least likely to take a shower every day?

The flying pig nearly comes out of its hangar for this one, but I can’t help thinking that the Associated Press isn’t telling us the whole story

Any potential flying pig story, by definition, is pretty hard to believe. This one is definitely right up there!

When President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad say's the humanity ..should be for justice and peace...he means Muslims...we are kafir...there is code in Islam...that moonbats fall for.

re: #29 Lucius Septimius

re: #14 Thanos

On the other hand there are factions in the Islamic world who see the Holocaust as something that is now good for Jews -- from their twisted POV it's a perpetual victim card instead of one of the most horrid periods in history. Not having had the horror of their own holocaust they yearn to be the "new jews" somehow some way. Could this be just more preparation for Jihad? I'm confused... until I know more.

Given the distinction between "Jews" and "Zionists" ( a false one, but a useful one for anti-Semites) they might just be using it as a way of saying two things:

1) Jews used to be innocent victims, but now they are just like their persecutors, a pretty common cant among the leftists already.

2) "Jews" are all gone -- the current "Zionists" really aren't Jews, because they were all killed in WWII (a similar argument is used by a particularly odd group of Afro-centrists who claim that Africans are the "real" Jews).

Yes, I just read the full article as well as the WSJ one, and that exactly is the angle. "Jews ok -- Israel BAD"

Actually until the 1970s there was a fairly large Jewish presence in Iran. They did business, they lived under a fairly secular US ally that was overthrown in a revolution that deposed the Shah.

In the 1940s Iran (Persia), was not an Ally of the Nazis, and many Jews actually found refuge in Iran where they became important in preserving the culture. After the Islamic revolution things changed drastically though.

"Reza Shah was the first Iranian Monarch after 1400 years that paid respect to the Jews by praying to the Torah and bowing in front of it, when visiting the Jewish community of Isfahan. An act that boasted the self-esteem of the Iranian Jews and made Reza Shah the second most respected Iranian leader after Cyrus the Great"

The first Iranian Jewish women’s organization (Sazman Banovan Yahud i Iran) was established in 1947. Headed by Mrs. Shamsi Hekmat, the organization provided help to the needy and established branches in several towns. The first Jewish hospital opened in Tehran in 1958

So after the Ayatollah came to power.

The Islamic Revolution of 1979, made Shariat the legal code and therefore gender and religious discriminations are an integral part of the system. Bahai once again are not recognized at all, Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians each have one representative in the Parliament and are not legally forbidden from employment in the government

Read this: [Link: www.cultureofiran.com...]

It's complex but the period between the rise of the Iranian Monarchy and the Islamic Revolution, Iran was a refuge for Jews fleeing intolerance.

Let's wait and see how the series ends.

/and then everyone woke up and realized the jews had induced mass hallucinations and none of it had ever happened

The man they are referring to was Abdol-Hossein Sardari- Head of Consular affairs at the Iranian Embassy in Paris. He saved many Iranian Jews and gave 500 blank Iranian passports to an acquaintance of his to be used by non-Iranian Jews in France.

This has gotten interesting researching this as there are a few more names worth mentioning:
Necdet Kent - Turkish Consul General at Marseille, who granted Turkish citizenship to hundreds of Jews. At one point he entered an Auschwitz-bound train at enormous personal risk to save 70 Jews, to whom he had granted Turkish citizenship, from deportation.
Selâhattin Ülkümen - Turkish diplomat who saved the lives of some 42 Jewish Turkish families, more than 200 persons, among a Jewish community of some 2000 after the Germans occupied the island of Rhodes in 1944.
Namik Kemal Yolga - Vice-Consul at the Turkish Embassy in Paris who saved numerous Turkish Jews from deportation.

But still, this quote gives the entire reason for the film being made,

"..thus boosting an argument by Ahmadinejad that if the Nazi killing of Jews did take place, the Palestinians who then lived in Palestine should not have had to pay the price for it by the creation of Israel after the war..."

So...Iran is still Iran. Nothing has changed.

Linkeee

re: #40 squarepeg

Let's wait and see how the series ends.

/and then everyone woke up and realized the jews had induced mass hallucinations and none of it had ever happened

I think we know what's going on now, it's a subtle attempt to undercut the State of Israel and appear moderate. The second season will probably be a reprise of Exodus from the Balestinian POV.

My point is that prior to the Islamic Revolution in '79 when they took our diplomats hostage during President Jimmy Carter's administration, Iran was a US ally and Jews were welcome in the secular Iran. When the Islamic Theocracy took hold, well all of that changed.

re: #42 Thanos

Agreed. But I think the end of the series will answer a few questions.

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

Wasn't there some Japanese diplomat who wrote out visas to Jews in WW2 russia?

Are you thinking of Chiune-Sempo Sugihara?

I hope the link works. It's from the Yad Vashem website.

re: #38 Thanos

This is actually a much more subtle piece of propaganda than, say, the science fiction movie posted on LGF last year with the little flying guy and the "virtual warrior" thing ripped off from "Big Trouble in Little China." It also strikes me as carefully tailored to fit the prejudices and assumptions of western leftists, just like the Soviet propaganda about Israel did in the 60s and 70s.

OT, looks like the Chargers can't buy a break.

This has to be some AP spin to make Iran look sympathetic.

I think it just a ploy to solidify their little love fest with the leftie moonbats. Said idiots will claim that Iran is fair and unbiased. They will use it as an excuse against Israel because of Israel's present policies of not laying down and playing dead.

Poor President Bush...they all turn on him

...At the White House, the president has got to be muttering "some friend" when he pores over the new autobio from his old buddy Vicente Fox, Mexico's former leader. That's because Fox raps his border pal as stubborn and "the cockiest guy I have ever met in my life." Revolution of Hope, out next month, is a well-written, well-researched book about Fox's political career and presidency, which coincided with George W. Bush's. While he expresses a kinship with W, he breaks with the prez on the war and slams the GOP's immigration platform. He blames Bush's stubbornness on Iraq for bad international relations, calls his Spanish "grade-school level," and admits he didn't think Bush would ever become president. "I can't honestly say that I had ever seen George W. Bush getting to the White House," he pens.

Mr President...I like you...pick better friends. [Link: www.usnews.com...]

re: #42 Thanos

I think we know what's going on now, it's a subtle attempt to undercut the State of Israel and appear moderate.

Yes, and buying more time - hence DinnerJacket's trip to the U.N. It's the same game they play everytime. I recommend we drop the first one on a site the minute Mahmoud's foot hits the U.N. podium. Remember, when Muslims whine is the only time they behave. Put the arm behind the head and when you hear "Uncle Uncle" snap the arm.

Keep your friends close but your enemies closer ~ Don Corleone

re: #41 Outrider

hrmmm "Sardari" derives from "Sardar" or Persian for commander; while not used heavily in Iran proper, it's well used name or title of respect for the ruling class in much of the Punjab of Pakistan and in the Balochi western Iran.

Never trust the Iranian Ayatollahs. This is nothing more than Taquiya.

OT We need some music Good Thing

It's like going to a Google convention, and seeing a bunch of men in neck ties with flags on their lapels.

re: #44 song_and_dance_man

The history of Jews in Iran goes back to Biblical days.

There was a Jewish Queen (Ester) who was married to Azaherus, who did away with his Persian wife to Marry a Jewess (Ester), who had significant influence on policy.

Iran's history with Jews is a complex one, going from friendship to hostility.

There ave been ebbs and flows in this relationship throughout history.

re: #53 SnakeSpit

Never trust the Iranian Ayatollahs. This is nothing more than Taquiya.

They are waiting for a hidden Imam to fly out of a well...on a flying carpet...and you don't trust them?

something smells in denmark

re: #52 Thanos

re: #41 Outrider
hrmmm "Sardari" derives from "Sardar" or Persian for commander; while not used heavily in Iran proper, it's well used name or title of respect for the ruling class in much of the Punjab of Pakistan and in the Balochi western Iran.

Really? You speak Farsi? Would that be a name derivative for the guy or a title of rank?

Ramp up to claiming that iranians are also victims of anti semitism...BTW wheres the show about the pogroms in iran?

re: #54 Thanos
Music thread?
Audio: Ron Paul lands monster celebrity endorsement

Ron Paul!

The hero, named Habib Parsa, then begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

All right; it's a nice thought, and good behavior.

But did it happen? That's the question. I would hope so, given that I'd like to believe in humanity.

re: #46 too-old to-?

That sounds like the guy. At least 3 families he helped rescue would later show up in their own historical footnotes. 1 family name was Lewinsky (yes , that Lewinsky, Monica's grandfather was a child in that family) Another family was named Melamed. Their child Leo was chairman of the Chicago mercantile exchange in the 1980's. The third family was named Zellinsky. Their son Sam shortened his name to Zell and is the owner of Equity Office Properties and soon to be the owner of the Chicago tribune Company

In Zero Degree Turn - The Final Chapter, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad sets things right by blowing Israel of the map with nuclear weapons...

re: #57 storagemanager

You are right, the current hostility to Jews in Iran can trace its genesis to the ascension of the Ayatollah to power and the dissolution of a secular regime (monarchy) that was replaced by a theocracy in 1979.

I wonder of the Jews portrayed in this shlockumentary are all Neturei Karta types.

Y-Net (Israel) has an interesting take on it: 'Zero Degree Turn': An Iranian soap opera

re: #22 Pangloss

To be absolutely fair, that is what the territory was called at that time.

Sorry.

re: #65 shanec99

re: #57 storagemanager

You are right, the current hostility to Jews in Iran can trace its genesis to the ascension of the Ayatollah to power and the dissolution of a secular regime (monarchy) that was replaced by a theocracy in 1979.

Does that mean if we get rid of the Ayatollahs that life would return to something more moderate (read that as normal) for the Iranians?

May Well Have Been True - IN 1940/41 - That was then - this is NOW! the Record of the "West" in the early part of WWII and slightly before was ABYSMAL a/k/a Really Rotten. Since then the "West" has more or less 'atoned', the Muslim Wold HAS NOT - the Nephew of the The Imam of Jerusalem (Yasir ARAFAT - (Please Belch Upon Him) became head of the "PA." That his Uncle did NOT find his end at the END of a British ROPE is "Bloody Amazin" - probably because the UK became tired at the end of WWII, enough so to allow an AXIS ALLY to return and become Spiritual Head of Islamic Jerusalem under the new "Socialist(Labor)" Government of the UK under Clement Atlee, with Ernest Bevan as Foreign Secretary. Same guys that gave the Rolls Royce Nene Jet Engine to the Soviets, purportedly as "winnings" of a card game. Does the designation Mig-15 mean anything to all y'all? For all y'all who want to look it up, the hero Diplomats of the 1930's/40's as far as the Jewish People go were JAPANESE!

-S-

...begins giving Iranian passports to Jews to allow them to flee occupied France to then-Palestine.

So, er, the Iranians were Zionists? Oooo-kay.

Then-Palestine? Nope. Now-Palestine? Ha! Future-Palestine? In a pig's eye.

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

To reach the the face ...of the moon god

...KUALA LUMPUR - Malaysian religious authorities are hopeful that the country's first astronaut will also become the first Muslim to fast in space when he blasts off next month during Ramadan.

Two Malaysian candidates, a doctor and an army dentist who are both Muslims, are undergoing training in Russia with the winner to be selected before the 11-day space mission starts on October 10.

Other Muslims have ventured into space, but none during the fasting month of Ramadan which began last week.

Anan C. Mohd, from Malaysia's Department of Islamic Development, said the astronaut could choose to fast in space or replace his fasting days when he returns to Earth aboard a Russian Soyuz spacecraft.

"It will be great if our astronaut chooses to fast. We are looking forward to having him relate his experience of fasting in space. I'm sure he is equally excited and will find it a thrilling experience," he told the Sunday Star newspaper.

Anan said that the times for beginning and ending the fast should follow the local time in Baikonur, where the launch will take place in Russia.

There is no moon but Allah. [Link: ummahnewslinks.com...]

It's a setup.

The kind, caring, compassionate Muslims of Iran helped the poor, distressed Jews of Nazi Europe escape certain death, only to have those same Jews betray the Muslims by stealing their land, burning their towns, and generally being Zionists.

For that, the Jews deserve to die, and Iran gets to take the moral high ground in the discussion.

re: #41 Outrider

I knew about the Turks; but not the Iranians.

Thanks, much.

re: #72 MandyManners

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

Yes indeed -- it's amazing how many people forget that.

This is funny...
new iranian rifle

this is the kheybar rifle.

What's so funny about that?

This: The IDF's Tavor

Now guess which one works better.

re: #69 Perplexed

I can't answer that. There has always been a group hostile to Jews in Persia, and a group that welcomed them.

And as one group grew more influential the life for Jews either became pleasant and Jews became influential in government or unbearable with death threats and the potential for oppression of the Jewish population that experienced hostility from the central government.

Its hard to predict what will happen if the theocracy is put under pressure or deposed.

re: #59 Outrider

re: #52 Thanos

re: #41 Outrider
hrmmm "Sardari" derives from "Sardar" or Persian for commander; while not used heavily in Iran proper, it's well used name or title of respect for the ruling class in much of the Punjab of Pakistan and in the Balochi western Iran.

Really? You speak Farsi? Would that be a name derivative for the guy or a title of rank?

No, I don't speak Farsi, wish I did. I came across the term used in derision against followers of Nawab Bugti on a Paki forum and had to look it up.

Next, we'll discover Himmler's version of Fiddler on the Roof and a copy of Yentl directed by Arafat ...

It'll prove that they weren't so bad after all ...

re: #72 MandyManners

Well it did create the mentality that enabled the Israeli's to crush 7 nations and win the 6 day war. And thus they were able to create the state of Israel

re: #73 song_and_dance_man

"sadm" -

"Ahm-In-A-Mood-For-Jihad" at the end of a PERSIAN Rope. Food for thought, eh?

-S-

re: #80 shanec99

Why don't we apply pressure and see what happens?

re: #50 storagemanager

Vicente Fox -- what a guay.

re: #72 MandyManners

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

Israel did not stop being a state after the Diaspora. They were just given what was rightfully theirs already. Now there has never been a state of "Palestine" nor a government of, etc. That is just a dirivitive of Phillistia that the Romans named the area as a final insult to a nation that would not sumit!

Everyone needs Four Stone Walls to surround them

#42 hit the nail right on the head .

OT: I've only got about an hour left in me tonight but I'm furious about Fred's tax plan.
I've been thinking about it this afternoon and I've arrived at a strange place; If given the choice between Hillary's repeal of the Bush tax cuts and Fred's flat tax, I have to go with Hillary.
Exit question: How does this affect me on LGF with the new rating system?

You know, sometimes YouTube actually has inspiring stuff to watch. If you like horses, you'll like this. I might add, the greatest athlete that I have ever witnessed in my 47 yrs.

The religion of dead children speaks again

...Palestinian sources report that a 16-year-old youth was shot by IDF forces in Ramallah late Sunday night. Officials from the city's hospital identified the youth as Muhammad Jubrin.

The army confirmed the incident and said troops had shot an armed gunman who posed an immediate danger to the soldiers

.

Islam sends its children to die...and blames Israel... [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

re: #74 storagemanager

the first Muslim to fast in space

Will Ramadan, or even Islam for that matter, work in space? The sun rises and sets more than once a day when orbiting the earth. Must be hell to be praying constantly. And how does that prayer rug stay put in zero gravity. I have questions...

re: #70 Dr. Shalit

Remember Persians are not Arabs. There is a reason that the Iranians have F-14 (US Aircraft) and much of the Arab world had Migs.

Until 1979 Iran was one of two reliable middle eastern allies, all that changed in the Carter Presidency when we failed to support the Shah and he was deposed and our diplomats taken hostage.

President Carter was busy working out the peace deal between Sadat and Begin that culminated with the Camp David accords.

Iran just did not seem like an important foreign policy issue to Pres Carter until our diplomats were taken hostage.

OT: National Banana's Bin Laden tape translation, {LOL!} because Stan hates to be mocked.;^).

Rudy:
"but this war will be long and we are still in its early stages. Much like at the beginning of the Cold War, we are at the dawn of a new era in global affairs, when old ideas have to be rethought and new ideas have to be devised to meet new challenges."

re: #93 Kreuzueber Halbmond

re: #74 storagemanager

the first Muslim to fast in space

Will Ramadan, or even Islam for that matter, work in space? The sun rises and sets more than once a day when orbiting the earth. Must be hell to be praying constantly. And how does that prayer rug stay put in zero gravity. I have questions...

LMAO

Killgore Trout

That was such a great picture you posted earlier from NASA that I passed it along to my rather jaded 12 year old nephew. Here's his response:

wow, that's really cool. the picture almost looks fake. thanks for the e-mail, ill see that site again,

;)

This article might explain what Iran is up to:

Iran's government vehemently denies charges of anti-Semitism, pointing to the peaceful existence in Iran of a 20,000-strong Jewish community, the largest in the Middle East outside Israel.

YET

TEHRAN, Aug 28, 2007 (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday launched a new verbal attack against Israel, accusing Zionists of sowing conflict, publishing offensive cartoons and "lying about being Jewish."

source

re: #19 song_and_dance_man

LOL. Nothin' but net.

Stopping on Rudy a bit, hitting the subcontinent papers. Back in a bit

re: #85 Perplexed

I can't answer that. I am an observer of history, not a policy maker. Just a career military guy who is interested im Middle Eastern history.

I am neutral on politics, absolutely Non partisan, and wont take a position in the politics of it all.

Been in the Navy more than 20 yrs, served in Iraq and in Desert Storm.

re: #87 paxnhymn

pimf...submit

re: #99 EC Marm

This article might explain what Iran is up to:

Iran's government vehemently denies charges of anti-Semitism, pointing to the peaceful existence in Iran of a 20,000-strong Jewish community, the largest in the Middle East outside Israel.

YET

TEHRAN, Aug 28, 2007 (AFP) - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Tuesday launched a new verbal attack against Israel, accusing Zionists of sowing conflict, publishing offensive cartoons and "lying about being Jewish."

source

Twlight Zone...wow...he topped himself...a hand for the new Hitler...to the back of his head.

re: #91 goodbye_natalie

They also have episode 1, episode 2 and episode 3 of 'Zero Degree Turn' available.

re: #99 EC Marm

From the article:

"Zionists are people without any religion," Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly predicted that Israel is doomed to disappear, told a news conference in Tehran.

"They are lying about being Jewish because religion means brotherhood, friendship and respecting other divine religions," he said.

"They are an organised minority who have infiltrated the world. They are not even a 10,000-strong organisation," he said.

So, as I suspected, central to this project is to claim that the "Jews" and the "Zionists" are not the same. Indeed, built into this argument is the idea that the Jews no longer exist -- hence the sudden renewed interest in the Holocaust. The "10,000" number is interesting, because it would make most Israelis neither Jews nor Zionists. So then, the obvious question is what are they?

More on Sardar:

Sardar, in some senses also Sirdar (Persian: %u0633%u0631%u062F%u0627%u0631 ) (Sard%u0101r, IPA: [S%u0250rda:r]) is a Persian word meaning commander. Literally sar means "head" while dar means "holder" in Persian.

interesting...

re: #98 Irene NYC

That's a gem. Science!

re: #87 paxnhymn

re: #72 MandyManners

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

Israel did not stop being a state after the Diaspora. They were just given what was rightfully theirs already. Now there has never been a state of "Palestine" nor a government of, etc. That is just a dirivitive of Phillistia that the Romans named the area as a final insult to a nation that would not sumit!

"P-H" -

Israel was GIVEN NOTHING except the UN Resolution of 1947. Everything they were able to maintain after the 1948/49 was taken/maintained by force of arms - some of which my forebearers just might have helped SMUGGLE there. By the way, had the original Balfour Era "Palestine" become Israel, King Abdullah II of Jordan would be out of a job!

-S-

This could spell the end for Musharraf if PPP follows through with the threat:

PPP may tender resignations, challenge election rule changes: BB

ISLAMABAD: The Pakistan People’s Party (PPP) Chairwoman Benazir Bhutto on Sunday told AP that her party might join other opposition groups in resigning from Parliament and taking to the streets to try to force the US-allied president from office. Talking to Aaj TV, she rejected the amendment to the Presidential Election Rules as “unconstitutional and illegal,” adding that the Constitution could only be amended through the parliament. She said that the amendment would be challenged in court. PPP spokesman Farhatullah Babar said that since President General Pervez Musharraf was disqualified from contesting for the office of president as per Article 63 of the Constitution he had told the Election Commission (EC) to “arbitrarily and illegally tamper with the Constitution,” Babar said. staff report

re: #78 Lucius Septimius

re: #72 MandyManners

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

Yes indeed -- it's amazing how many people forget that.

Selective memory is powerful when creating a myth.

re: #90 Killgore Trout

If given the choice between Hillary's repeal of the Bush tax cuts and Fred's flat tax

Killgore,

Fred only says that a better tax code needs to be adopted, that there are several good ideas floating out there, and that the tax code should allow our companies to compete internationally and that it should easy for all of us to comply because it's currently too complicated. He does not say that he wants either a fair or a flat tax per se.

I also think it's fair to say that no plain-flavored fair or flat tax will ever be adopted without taking into consideration the impact on all the many small businesses because small business is the engine of the U.S. Unless Shrillary gets elected, then all bets are off because she'll tax everyone to death. (That's her idea of equal opportunity.)

Full disclosure: I like Fred but I'm behind Giuliani.

re: #83 SecretInternetDoucheBag

re: #72 MandyManners

Well it did create the mentality that enabled the Israeli's to crush 7 nations and win the 6 day war. And thus they were able to create the state of Israel

What is the name of that book that chronicled the nations and individuals that loaned the Jews the planes/tanks/et cet.?

There are still up to eight episodes left to tie it all in to how the plight of the Jews was exploited by evil Zionists working in league with Hitler to exterminate poor persecuted Muslims.

re: #111 ploome hineni

Ploome, Really?

You know I was active duty USN from 1990-1994, don't you?

lol

re: #94 shanec99

Yup -

And I WISH they were so again. Truthfully, Carter pulled a BIG BONER in allowing Iran/Persia go Islamist. Of all people NIXON had it right. Allow the PERSIANS to be the counterbalance to the ARABS. Kept the area as honest as it could be.

-S-

re: #87 paxnhymn

re: #72 MandyManners

The Holocaust did not create Israel. Israel was on its way to becoming a state before the first yellow star was sewn onto a coat.

Israel did not stop being a state after the Diaspora. They were just given what was rightfully theirs already. Now there has never been a state of "Palestine" nor a government of, etc. That is just a dirivitive of Phillistia that the Romans named the area as a final insult to a nation that would not sumit!

What's that toast Jews have said every year on a certain date? "Next year, in Jerusalem"?

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

re: #104 storagemanager

There has always been some anti-Semitism in Iran, to deny that is to deny what historical records tell us.

But the level of hostility or welcome that Jews endure in Iran fluctuates with the nature of the government.

After WWII some Iranian leaders have actually bowed (yes literally bowed) before the Torah, and there are others including the current President who have considered ordering Jews to wear clothing that identify them as Jews. See the link below.

[Link: www.jewishmag.com...]

The birth of Israel.

Oops -- I accidently posted this on the wrong thread...

Another choice, and ever more revealing, quote from the article:

"Anywhere they are found there is war. Anywhere where there is war they are behind it," Ahmadinejad added.

Echoing his previous predictions about Israel's future, the president said: "If the world is calm, people, Europeans, Germans even, will uproot them."

The old "Jews are warmongers" story -- staple of both the Nazis and the Soviet regime.

The appeal to the Germans to help out is a nice touch -- in the minds of the Islamists Germany is partly to blame for Israel because they have allowed themselves to be manipulated by Jews/Zionists because of guilt over the Holocaust. One version of the argument has the Germans as dupes because their was no "Holocaust," the other has them as dupes because the Zionists are not the Jews. Either argument is based on a very careful, if completely fraudulent, manipulation of evidence.

Dinner Jacket (or his handlers) is amazingly well versed in the full range of western leftist anti-Semitic tactics.

re: #97 storagemanager

really...and if they rotate they earth every ninety minutes during Ramadan, do they have to fast on the sun side, only to gorge themselves like pigs on the dark side? there's gonna be some fat Mohamedonauts!

re: #90 Killgore Trout

How does this affect me on LGF with the new rating system?

Do you really want to know? Because if you're not a fan of the ratings system, the answer won't improve your mood any.

/haven't turned it off yet

re: #114 song_and_dance_man

"sadm" -

And G-d really didn't like Haman - See: Book of Esther - Happy Early Purim!

-S-

re: #111 ploome hineni

Glad to be here.

Pop this up in the background before you head to the next thread, Rory is a Million Miles Away

re: #119 MandyManners

"MM" -

In my best transliteration - Lih-Shanah, Hah-Bah-Ah, Bih - Yerushalayem!

-S-

re: #109 Dr. Shalit

incorrect wording my friend. You are correct. not GIVEN. I should have said , "taken what was already theirs'...

re: #87 paxnhymnI believe you are confusing the concepts of de facto and de iure. Certainly, the roman province destroyed in the revolts of 70 and 138 AD, preclude the concept of any independent state being in existence. There was no independent state, even before that, the area having been subjugated by the Greeks.. There was, however, a claim (e.g., "Next year, Jerusalem".) A state is defined as a political entity. Certainly, in historical and political terms, Israel did not exist as a de facto entity.
By the same token, you are correct in that there has never been a Palistinian state. The Turks, Jordanians and Egyptians exercised both de iure and de facto control.
The establishment of Israel in 1948, granted Israel both de iure and de facto rights of statehood. One could argue that de facto status has been granted to the palis. The question of de iure is still in qiuestion and Israel will have a strong role in that.
Finally, the belief of some religious Jews, who see Israel as eretz, would appear to undercut your claim that Israel is/was after the Diaspora.

re: #67 NY Nana

Thanks for the link. I gave you a + or that.

I think he's trying to not get himself assassinated when he comes to the U.N. next week. Let's pretend we didn't hear about it. ;)

re: #113 Irene NYC

I watched the video again and I'm trying real hard to find the brighter side of this but he mentions fair/flat tax as steps in the right direction. Fair Tax site lists Fred and Ron Paul as supporters. This is bad, very very bad. I think this is a deal breaker for me.

re: #121 shanec99

re: #104 storagemanager

There has always been some anti-Semitism in Iran, to deny that is to deny what historical records tell us.

But the level of hostility or welcome that Jews endure in Iran fluctuates with the nature of the government.

After WWII some Iranian leaders have actually bowed (yes literally bowed) before the Torah, and there are others including the current President who have considered ordering Jews to wear clothing that identify them as Jews. See the link below.

[Link: www.jewishmag.com...]

You are right

...Esther 3 12 Then on the thirteenth day of the first month the royal secretaries were summoned. They wrote out in the script of each province and in the language of each people all Haman's orders to the king's satraps, the governors of the various provinces and the nobles of the various peoples. These were written in the name of King Xerxes himself and sealed with his own ring. 13 Dispatches were sent by couriers to all the king's provinces with the order to destroy, kill and annihilate all the Jews—young and old, women and little children—on a single day, the thirteenth day of the twelfth month, the month of Adar, and to plunder their goods. 14 A copy of the text of the edict was to be issued as law in every province and made known to the people of every nationality so they would be ready for that day.

but...

Esther 95 The Jews struck down all their enemies with the sword, killing and destroying them, and they did what they pleased to those who hated them. 6 In the citadel of Susa, the Jews killed and destroyed five hundred men. 7 They also killed Parshandatha, Dalphon, Aspatha, 8 Poratha, Adalia, Aridatha, 9 Parmashta, Arisai, Aridai and Vaizatha, 10 the ten sons of Haman son of Hammedatha, the enemy of the Jews. But they did not lay their hands on the plunder.

unlike Mohammad.

re: #131 grumpy old codger
PIMF
That Israel was/is a state after the Diaspora prior to 1948.

re: #106 Lucius Septimius

re: #99 EC Marm

From the article:

"Zionists are people without any religion," Ahmadinejad, who has repeatedly predicted that Israel is doomed to disappear, told a news conference in Tehran.

"They are lying about being Jewish because religion means brotherhood, friendship and respecting other divine religions," he said.

"They are an organised minority who have infiltrated the world. They are not even a 10,000-strong organisation," he said.

So, as I suspected, central to this project is to claim that the "Jews" and the "Zionists" are not the same. Indeed, built into this argument is the idea that the Jews no longer exist -- hence the sudden renewed interest in the Holocaust. The "10,000" number is interesting, because it would make most Israelis neither Jews nor Zionists. So then, the obvious question is what are they?

According to conspiracists I've read on-line, they are Khazars.

re: #124 paxnhymn

"pax" -

The way Ramadan Works - that is already true! Folks tend to gain weight during the Ramadan Month. Starve yourself all day - as I did today on the Fast of Gedaliah - same Hours as Ramadan - and you will eat and drink "BIGTIME" at night. Do it for a month and see what happens!

-S-

re: #132 Beobachter

:) Here is is again, with the 3 episodes available from YouTube...

Flying pig teased further:

France warning of war with Iran

French foreign minister Bernard Kouchner says the world should prepare for war over Iran's nuclear programme.
"We have to prepare for the worst, and the worst is war," Mr Kouchner said in an interview on French TV and radio.

Mr Kouchner said negotiations with Iran should continue "right to the end", but an Iranian nuclear weapon would pose "a real danger for the whole world".

[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]

re: #137 MandyManners

Yet another bit of Czarist lore recycled by the Soviets and their Islamic minions.

re: #129 Dr. Shalit

re: #119 MandyManners

"MM" -

In my best transliteration - Lih-Shanah, Hah-Bah-Ah, Bih - Yerushalayem!

-S-

Thanks!

re: #141 Lucius Septimius

re: #137 MandyManners

Yet another bit of Czarist lore recycled by the Soviets and their Islamic minions.

Does it come from the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism in the 7th/8th century?

re: #140 Jimmah

hehe, I just finished emailing Charles the same story, and then I come back to read the updated thread, and here you are.

I think this is meaningful, too !

re: #143 MandyManners

"MM" -

For what it's worth - under that timeline - they converted about the same time Islam came to be. The Kurds weren't so lucky.

-S-

re: #143 MandyManners

re: #141 Lucius Septimius

re: #137 MandyManners

Yet another bit of Czarist lore recycled by the Soviets and their Islamic minions.

Does it come from the conversion of the Khazars to Judaism in the 7th/8th century?

That's the "historical fact" used as a foundation, but the real basis, as I understand it, is nineteenth century Russian nationalism -- easier to justify the pograms (especially to western critics) if the subjects are really wicked people of the steppes. Either way they have no "nation" in the classical sense -- not Jews (if they are by blood Khazars) and not Khazars (if they were blood Jews). Besides Khazars were Turks, and "real" Turks are Muslims. Triple whammy.

We are dealing with a government that likes public hangings, stonings, honor killings, and other depraved forms of crowd control. This series is sort of a Jewish petting zoo. Jews on display...aren't they cute? OK, time's up. Let's have them for lunch.

/sarc

re: #79 Killgore Trout

This is funny...
new iranian rifle

this is the kheybar rifle.

What's so funny about that?

This: The IDF's Tavor

Now guess which one works better.

It looks like a bull pup with a Kalashnikov action. If that is true then is is very robust and reliable. The M16 is more accurate but the action is not as reliable plus many are falling out of love with the 5.56. I would not say the IDF stuff is more reliable, perhaps not less but not more without more information. If they "improved" the Kalashnikov then it may be a pile of junk.

re: #145 Dr. Shalit

re: #143 MandyManners

"MM" -

For what it's worth - under that timeline - they converted about the same time Islam came to be. The Kurds weren't so lucky.

-S-

I thought of the creation of Islam as I was typing my post. Strange coincidence.

re: #144 me

re: #140 Jimmah

hehe, I just finished emailing Charles the same story, and then I come back to read the updated thread, and here you are.

I think this is meaningful, too !

I think it's flying pig worthy!

re: #146 Lucius Septimius

I thought that the pogroms went after Jews and not steppe peoples.

re: #152 MandyManners

re: #146 Lucius Septimius

I thought that the pogroms went after Jews and not steppe peoples.

Sorry -- I didn't make my point clear.

Yes, the pogroms were directed against Jews, but (just like the Iranians with the threats against Israel) the Russians could repackage them to critics by saying "oh no, these people aren't really Jews -- they're lying. The real Jews are all gone. These people are bloody hordes, not the kind of folks you need to be worried about. They are our traditional enemy, don't forget."

It's totally disingenuous, of course, but no one ever gave the various Russian regimes points for honesty and good-will.

This is Iran's theory. Iran helped the Jews fleeing Nazis get to Palestine. Then the Jews turned around and stole Palestine away.

I'm sorry Ground Control, we're having trouble getting the experiment done ... Capt. Abdul is stuffing himself on the freeze dried pureed lamb again just like he did thirty minutes before ... oh, here's the sun again—we'll try to continue ... Capt. Abdul, you look ill ... NASA, we're continuing the experiment without Capt. Abdul ...

Here's a plausible explanation.

Iranian leadership realise that not all the Iranian people can be made to deny the holocaust, no matter how much propaganda. It's just a too well known historical fact for that. Banging on about it alienates a portion of the public. Well, if they thought they could do convince everyone this at least seems to suggest they've recognised they've failed.

So for those Iranians who don't deny the holocaust there's a vegetarian option: the other big myth that Israel was "stolen" from the "Palestinians".

This could mop up the support from the Daily Kos moonbat Iranian who probably already believes the Joos control global capitalism, and who would happily accept all-roads-lead-to-wiping-Israel-of-the-map if presented in robin hood terms.

Tasty bait for moonbats.

If Iran would only stop threatening another holocaust, then maybe Israel could be friends with it.

If only Iran stopped killing Americans in Iraq and supporting terrorists all over the world. Then the U.S. and Iran could be friends.

In a perfect world...

Flying pig, my ass. This more of a 'ya gotta be shittin' me' moment, Charles. That is one tv show I might watch just to see the absolute and unbelievable irony.

God Bless Cyrus the Great. If only this series were a reflection of that sort of greatness!

/not holding breath

It is partially sympathetic. As #24 pointed out, the WSJ covered this. One interesting quote was the producer saying (paraphrased) "The Nazis did things to Jews that are as bad as what the Zionists are doing to the Palestinians." I would imagine being taken away in trucks is the worst the Jews get. They are obviously undermining Israel. On #22, there was no country Palestine, but you could still get a Palestine passport from the Brits.

Global amnesia
David Horovitz
Sep. 12, 2007

. . . . As first reported in The Wall Street Journal earlier this week,
Iranian TV is currently screening the most costly drama it has
ever produced, Zero Degree Turn, improbably centered on the
romance between a French Jewess and the Iranian-Palestinian
Muslim who saves her from the Nazis. The writer and director,
Hassan Fatthi, has said he was inspired by reading about the
activities of Iran's World War II-era head of consular affairs
in Paris, Abdol Hussein Sardari, who saved numerous European
Jews from the death camps by issuing them with Iranian
passports.

Part of the drama's thrust is to distinguish between Jews, who
are officially permitted to practice their faith in Iran, and
their sovereign state of Israel, which official Iran reviles.
Thus while humanizing Jews, the series subtly delegitimizes
Israel and those who support it. In one scene described by the
Journal, for instance, a rabbi opines that it is "a bad idea for
Jews to resettle in Arab lands"; in another, the French Jewish
heroine rejects an offer of marriage from a suitor-cousin who
supports the establishment of Israel. Writer Fatthi, meanwhile,
used the platform of an interview with the Journal to try to
parallel genocidal Nazi behavior with Israeli treatment of the
Palestinians. "The murder of innocent Jews during World War II
is just as despicable, sad and shocking as the killing of
innocent Palestinian women and children by racist Zionist
soldiers," he said.

Nonetheless, the lavish series, which was researched with input
from Iran's Jewish Association, stands strikingly at odds with
the Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's position on the
Holocaust. While Zero Degree Turn features a local heartthrob
moved to heroism by his love for a Jewish woman threatened by
the Nazi mass-murderers, and makes role models out of Iranian
diplomats saving Jews, Ahmadinejad would have his countryfolk,
and the rest of the world, doubting that the Holocaust ever
happened. Monday night after Monday night across Iran, Fatthi is
broadcasting an unmistakable challenge to his own president's
efforts at historical revisionism. State TV is essentially
telling Ahmadinejad to shut up.

...

re: #90 Killgore Trout

OT: I've only got about an hour left in me tonight but I'm furious about Fred's tax plan.
I've been thinking about it this afternoon and I've arrived at a strange place; If given the choice between Hillary's repeal of the Bush tax cuts and Fred's flat tax, I have to go with Hillary.
Exit question: How does this affect me on LGF with the new rating system?

Well, as some might know, I'm a Rudy supporter and have some issues with Thompson. That said, my problem with the video is that he spoke in inevitably popular generalities without offering even the inkling of a solution or viable plan (as Irene suggests in #113). I find this in keeping with his current campaign of friendly vagueness. That said (and I do not purport or pretend to be a tax expert), I am generally in favor of a modified flat tax for individuals (e.g. everything over a basic sustenance amount (say, for example, $15,000) is taxed at the same rate for everyone) and have been for decades. I'd be interested to know what your specific objections might be.

They love dead Jews, I don't see what the surprise is here...

Update at Hot Air:

Mohammed Reza Kazemi cleared up the matter in a recent SPIEGEL article (link in German only, sorry). Main points:

* the major point of the series is that it was allegedly the German Jews themselves who collaborated with Hitler to kill those Jews who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine
* for example, a plot line shows that a Jewish researcher is in possession of documents that prove the connection between Hitler and Zionists
* the credits of each episode feature the work of anti-Semite Roger Garaudy as a “historical source”
* “historical adviser” to the series is Holocaust denier Abdollah Shahbazi who openly admits in his blog that he’s a denier
* director and screenwriter Hassan Fatthi alleged to SPIEGEL that according to “historical evidence” a majority of Hitler’s victims were those who opposed the re-settlement of Palestine

Maybe that pig just needed a flight check and can go back in the hanger until the annual inspection.

Here is Part 1 of the series.

Part 2

Part 3

It's not complete, but see how it is so far.

I think it's awesome, way to go Iran.
WLJ write-up:[Link: online.wsj.com...]

re: #167 Orde

It's best to watch the whole series before cheering on Iran. I wonder how they will manage to tie this to Israel. What is the plot turn?

No doubt this series will end up demonizing Israel by trying to draw a parallel between what happened to the Jews of Europe and the mythical displacement of the "Palestinian" nation by the Jewish state.

The sad thing to me is that at the time of the Holocaust, Iranians were in fact sympathetic to the Jews, and I would not be surprised if they tried to help save Jews in such ways. Remember, the governments of Israel and Iran were close prior to the Islamic Revolution.

re: #16 chicagodudewhotrades

[Link: www.myhero.com...]

"Top UN human rights official says Iran should stop executing children (AP)" (Haaretz Breaking news today).
What happened to the AP?! to the UN?!
I think this is only and wrong spelling of the word Israel or USA instead of Iran.

Later they will replay it backwards so it has a "happy" ending.

It's for propaganda purposes.

One of the big things coming out of islamic supremacists these days is how much nicer muslims treat Jews than Christians do - "after all", they say, "Did not the Holocaust (which they suddenly start admitting happened, oddly) not happen in the Christian world?" It's a tool dating back to Maimonides and all that "Golden Age" nonsense - sure it was a "Golden Age", in the same sense that being urinated on is a "Golden Shower"; golden for the ones doing it (muslims), not so golden for those who it was being done to (everyone else). Anyway, the new meme is that islam was so much better, and all the Jews ran to the Middle East to be "protected" by islam again - like how Q 9: 29 indicates they should be protected - and how there was never a Holocaust there, conveniently forgetting that the states neighbouring Israel attempted a holocaust not once but three times.

Propaganda.

HOT AIR HAS AN UPDATE:

turns out the AP got it wrong.

re: #139 NY Nana

Thank you.

Fact: Israel came first. This is the fact that the Islamists most want to crush. They can no longer keep denying the Holocaust quite as effectively as in the past (the rest of the world has a way of intruding on this useful delusion).

My guess? Iran (along w/the rest of the mullahcrats) would now, in a mad PR dash to cover for dinner-jacket, like to create the impression of having been benevolent pardoners/helpers of the criminal monkey/satan Jews (whom the Nazis understandably wanted to exterminate) who then turned around and bit the hands that helped them.

If I'm correct, this has the potential of being a much more effective piece of hate mongering than Holocaust denying: it will run well with a largely illiterate mob of mobsters in the ME.