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Australian Hizb Ut-Tahrir Leader Espouses Violent Islamic Revolution

Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 9:19:31 pm PDT

Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir, as a leader of the radical Islamic supremacist group drops the mask: Islamist ‘leader’ wants revolution.

THE mysterious sheik behind the Australian chapter of Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir has revealed the organisation’s support for military coups and revolutions to overthrow non-Muslim governments worldwide.

Ismail Al Wahwah, who was little known until last month when he was banned from a Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in Indonesia, spoke out on an Arabic radio program that revealed him as the “active member” of the group in Australia.

In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values and backed the use of suicide bombings in Iraq and Palestine, even if they killed Australians. “I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country,” he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

Sheik Wahwah is understood to be the unofficial leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia. The Australian has obtained the first pictures of the man widely known in the Muslim community as Abu Anas. Hizb ut-Tahrir’s media spokesman, Wassim Doureihi, denied the sheik was the group’s leader in Australia, saying Sheik Wahwah was a senior member and that his brother, Ashraf, a civil engineer at North Sydney Council, was the official leader.

But Sheik Wahwah is sent to address senior members of the Islamic community in Sydney on behalf of Hizb ut-Tahrir, and he was Australia’s representative for the Indonesian conference. On the radio program, he was introduced as the “active member” of the party - a statement he did not correct.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a secretive organisation known as the Party of Islamic Liberation, which advocates the destruction of Western civilisation and the overthrow of governments and their replacement by Islamic rule. The group is banned in Europe, China and Saudi Arabia, but remains legal in Britain and Australia, actively pushing the idea of a Muslim rule. It has been investigated by ASIO but there is not enough evidence to proscribe it as a terrorist organisation. Five years ago, most Western observers did not consider Hizb ut-Tahrir a serious threat, but its influence has grown and it now has a presence in about 45 countries.

Sheik Wahwah has refused to speak to the mainstream media in Australia. In his radio interview, he said the allegations that the failed London bomb plotters were linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir was another example of the clash of civilisations and the West’s dropping of one of its most basic values - the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Sheik Wahwah expressed support for violent means to overthrow governments to achieve the group’s aim of a caliphate. He said if nations did not respond to the wishes of their people, the people should use all the powers they had, including the army, to usurp the rulers.

“It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner,” he said. “It could be such as a public revolution, public disobedience or a military coup. We are in the front line with the Ummah. We don’t engage in militant activities. Our case is to make the case of Islam the case of the Ummah.”

Now would someone please wake up the Department of Homeland Security?

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1 m  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:21:43pm
It is statements such as this that have prompted experts, including those at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, to label Hizb ut-Tahrir as a conveyer belt for terrorism.

Ya think?

2 Angel  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:24:02pm

wake up the DOHS?..naw they need a much needed rest from frisking all the nuns and Baptists at our local airports ya know.

3 Pro-Bush Canuck  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:24:31pm

Revolution.

That's what the Left wants.

4 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:25:15pm

I'm not sure that a such a clear expression of intent will be obvious to whole populations and governments in denial. We might give him a human rights award in Canada for standing up for the oppressed. I'm not kidding.

5 JHW  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:26:12pm

" he attacked the wests lack of values"
Eventually creeps like him will find out the hard way just what the west`s values are and he wont like it one bit.

6 rabidsquirrel  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:26:19pm

In other news, water is wet, and the sun rises in the East.

/At least the islamists are predictable.

7 Jimmy The Clam  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:26:33pm

Who says Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir?
They are as asleep as we are, it's just that neither of us are in a coma like Europe.

8 bikermailman  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:29:00pm

re: #3 Pro-Bush Canuck

Revolution.

That's what the Left wants.

Funny. I was having that very thought just this morning. Not that they would up and start one, but in with the Perfect Day scenario, if things went FUBAR, I think the professors would be leading a Bolshevik type thing.

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:31:41pm
10 Deseeded  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:33:26pm

Bow chicka Wahwah?

So, Hizb ut-Tahrir is laying the groundwork for declaring Australia an "occupied" country and justifying possible future terrorist acts.

11 xenophobic  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:34:02pm

Charles:
I find myself logged out 8-10 times a day just recently, sometimes when I refresh a thread after a few hours I will have to log back in.
Is this by design? more aggressive garbage collection?

12 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:34:41pm

#9 song_and_dance_man

Is there any country on Earth where the Muslims have completely assimilated to the practices of the host nation? I can't think of any.

13 rem1776  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:36:35pm

Shocking. How did he get so out of step with Islams mainstream? I'm sure he was misquoted.

14 JHW  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:38:27pm

I`m finding a lot of interesting links from the good people at FaithTreedomInternational

Canadians Want Limits on Accomodating Minorities

15 JHW  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:40:53pm

Er, that`s FaithFreedomInternational

faithfreedomIntrnational

16 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:42:05pm

The insurgency is in full swing, Downunder also.

This scum just keeps coming...

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

17 Racer X  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:43:42pm

I just do not get it. The left eagerly embrace muslim religious fanatics, but Christian Americans are labeled bible thumpers and demonized.

/Shakes head.

18 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:44:19pm

OT: Police examine Morocco 'photo of Madeleine' - report

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are examining a photo that could show the British girl in Morocco, Sky News has reported.

The photo of a blonde child being carried on an elderly woman's back was taken by Spanish tourist Clara Torres in the northern Moroccan town of Zinat on August 31, the station said.

White slavery anyone?

19 Buckeye Abroad  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:44:47pm
20 SnakeSpit  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:45:12pm

the man widely known in the Muslim community as Abu Anas.

Shouldn't that be Abu ANUS?

21 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:45:23pm

Armageddon tired of Islam

22 goodbye_natalie  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:46:16pm

Well, what is he waiting for. Revolt...

23 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:46:47pm

Anyone with sense, and so that does not include any Australians but a few, who has read the blogs and information boards of Australian Muslims, realizes that Muslims, particularly Hezbollah related Muslims, feels that they can make Australia part of the ummmah within a generation. Muslims have recently claimed that Australia was initially inhabited by Muslim progenitors and was rediscovered by Muslims, prior to Cook. Further, there is much on the Lebanese webs about the inability of 'whites' to fight back and the ease of rape and burglary. There are instruction manuals (these exist for Canada also) on the the ease of asylum claims and the reticence of the government to deal with Muslims.

24 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:53:44pm

Sheik Wah Wah?

It is the ultimate name for seething and whining. No wonder he is their leader.

25 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:54:30pm
26 new2thezoo  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 9:55:17pm

The Izlamo's are on a roll and can smell blood in the barrier reef. Better get a bigger boat... (insert jaws theme)

27 yenta-fada  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:01:01pm

Re #24 karmic inquisitor

"Sheik Wah Wah"

Who put the rop in the rop sha bop sha bop
Who put the wah in the wah ma mama ding dang

I'm showing my age. No making fun of Wuslims. Bad infidel. Bad.

28 Psaturn  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:01:30pm

How come the Aussies are so smart? Just to think they were descendants of English criminals...

29 rusta  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:02:16pm

After traveling to the south Pacific and having acquaintances with my share of them, most Aussies I know, know how to handle these vermin
BBC: Australians repelled Iranian attempt to abduct sailors in Persian Gulf in March

"The Australians ... to quote one military source, 'were having none of it'."

The actual wording was something to the effect of #&*% Off!

These are the Aussies I know and love

30 FQ Kafir  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:04:13pm

Yep, he dropped the mask, alright...

Behind it was pure ugly.

31 big L  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:06:54pm

I thought foreigners had to have a plane ticket home before being allowed to visit Australia.
/where is this guys ticket back and can it be punched.

32 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:07:36pm

Damn.. Charles is on FIRE today.


Australia is one of those few places I long to visit.

Anyone want to host a yank? I'm potty trained and cook quite well.

33 new2thezoo  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:07:58pm

OT: (but this is an interesting bit of info about the 'little man's' speech at Columbia...)

...it's curious how Ahmadinejad began the speech....rather than end with a prayer that Allah would hasten the coming of the Islamic Messiah known as the "Mahdi" or the "Twelfth Imam" or the "just and promised One" as he did in 2005 and 2006 in his speeches at the U.N., the Iranian leader actually began the speech this way.... "Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness"....why has he moved the prayer to the front of his remarks?....it's not yet clear, but it's important to note that in 2005, Ahmadinejad was telling colleagues that the end of the world was just two or three years away, and that the way to hasten the coming of the Mahdi was to annihilate Israel and the U.S....that was two years ago....now, he's no longer burying the lead....yet much of the American media is....they don't seem to realize how central Ahmadinejad's Shiite Islamic eschatology (end times theology) is to Iran's current foreign policy....and that's why they are missing how dangerous this regime really is....when the Mahdi arrives on earth, Shiite scholars say he will appear in Mecca and Medina, but where does he go then?.....not to Iran....not to Jerusalem....not to Europe or Russia....he supposedly heads for Iraq -- Kufa, to be specific....that's what Shiite leaders have taught for centuries....and this helps explain why Iran is sending insurgents, weapons and money into Iraq, to create the conditions of chaos and carnage into which the Mahdi can arrive, finish off the U.S. and Israel, and set up a global Islamic caliphate headquartered in Iraq....who's the leading Shiite insurgent in Iraq?....Muqtada al-Sadr....what's the name of his militia?.....the Mahdi Army.....and now you know the rest of the story.

34 towerclimber37  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:08:09pm

am I reading this right? sheik wah wah?
ahahahahahahahahahaha
someone put a bullet in his ass and be done with this farce...please?

35 BignJames  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:10:23pm

He said if nations did not respond to the wishes of their people, the people should use all the powers they had, including the army, to usurp the rulers.

What if the people decide they don't like a certain segment of society and take matters in their own hands to rid themselves of that segment? Happened before.

36 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:11:20pm

Still looking for an image for this c*nt:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

37 astronmr20  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:12:26pm

re: #33 new2thezoo

I had heard this before.. he is mirroring the teaching and beliefs of the Supreme Leader.

They do seem to beleive the destruction of Israel is what will bring about their end times... and that they should instigate it.

The rest of the world laughs at the suggestion that their religious belief requires them to blow Israel off the map.. even though they state this is the case.

Sorry to beat a dead horse... but the similarities to 1939 are unmistakable.

38 SnakeSpit  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:14:03pm

re: #33 new2thezoo

Speaking of Islamic eschatology, here is a great link that compares Islamic and Christian eschatology side by side. Easy read and simply explained. Lots of knowledge here:
[Link: answering-islam.org...]

39 towerclimber37[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:14:17pm
40 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:17:21pm

re: #33 new2thezoo

That was very good. Would you mind forwarding or even expanding upon that at?:
[Link: babbazeesbrain.blogspot.com...]
There are some that would be willing to take a look at that kind of analysis.

41 Live4Truth  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:19:50pm
In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values and backed the use of suicide bombings in Iraq and Palestine

If it weren't so evil, it would be funny:

"You have bad values, so I'll cause as much pain, murder, destruction, and chaos as possible".

Oh yeah, that's an improvement. Thanks a million, sheik. It's really great how much you care about humanity.

Or how about this radical, wacky, craaaazy idea I just came up with, sheik: Create a culture somewhere on the face of the earth where you can live out your new & improved values to the fullest. By your vision, it should be a wonderful place for everyone to live, and then everyone else will eventually adopt that lifestyle (and religion) after seeing how great it is. Call me crazy, but I'd find that a whole lot more persuasive than murdering men women and children who are actually trying to build more civil societies (and succeeding at it, no thanks to you).

42 new2thezoo  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:20:55pm

#40 pat

I visit Babbazee often. Babba would find this interesting.

43 Globular Cluster  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:21:08pm

Very funny take on Achmedinajad:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

44 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:21:42pm

re: #7 Jimmy The Clam

Who says Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir?
They are as asleep as we are, it's just that neither of us are in a coma like Europe.



...ahem...
WE are not asleep. Maybe some pinheaded members of our government are...

45 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:22:56pm

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

46 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:23:10pm

It just seems tacky..sorry.

47 leepro  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:25:22pm

I don't understand this...

Here is an article I posted last week on another thread. It's from "Moriel Ministries" (whatever that is). I saved an html copy, but the original is no longer cached at their site. It's long, but pretty interesting:

Australian PM Takes A Stand Part 1
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the Government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer, Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. 'If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you', he said on National Television.

'I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option', Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should 'clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off', he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.' 'However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.' 'However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.'

/Part 2 next...

48 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:25:49pm
49 leepro  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:26:35pm
Australian PM Takes A Stand Part 2
'This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

50 rtheyserius  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:26:35pm
“The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

That is precisely correct. Which is why, one day, Mecca will be nuked.

51 RTLM  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:29:36pm

Anyone planning a trip to Australia,
I recommend Sydney as your destination. The rates are low at the Gleeb Point area, plus its close to downtown and Kings Cross. Has lots of good restaurants and several pubs too.
Go to the Blue Mountains Nat'l Park and descend the ~800 steps to the valley floor. The town of Katoomba is there and its good for more consumption.

At least it all was in 1991.

52 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:33:18pm

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

Lessee, you been here less than a year, and how did you find this blog? It was promoted on someone's else's blog, wasn't it?

Lighten up, dude.

53 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:37:33pm

re: #52 Spiny Norman

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,
can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

Lessee, you been here less than a year, and how did you find this blog? It was promoted on someone's else's blog, wasn't it?

Lighten up, dude.

No, I found this blog because I searched a news entry.

I think the constant calls to go for other blogs is a bit much..sometimes. Yes, even to people who are babbazees.

that isn't a need to lighten up..it just seems a bit blogwhorish imo.

If you feel diffently..so be it...I feel differently than you and think it's whorish.

54 SnakeSpit  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:37:51pm

re: #49 leepro

I received a copy of this in an e-mail 2-3 days ago. It didn't have a link so that I could check it out. I loved it, but was almost afraid it was too good to be true. I even checked it out on snopes. There was nothing there. I'm glad to see it again. I wonder where one might find a link.

55 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:38:26pm

re: #52 Spiny Norman

besides, the only people I know who are bitching about what I said are on the stalker blog 2.

56 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:39:52pm

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

I think it's not wrong to promote. It's done by this blog owner. Look to th right. There's tons of em.

57 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:40:36pm

re: #52 Spiny Norman


Oh I've been reading MORE than a year.

Just because I've been posting LESS than a year doesn't mean I haven't been reading Charles' blog.

I hope you aren't implying anything by that as I'm a faithful poster here.

just sayin'

58 pink freud  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:40:45pm

re: #54 SnakeSpit

FWIW Snopes does an entry on this, listing it as true.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

59 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:41:26pm

re: #56 John Schneider

No but at times I think it seems a bit much.

Just my observation.

If you are cool with it..it's ok. But I personally don't mind speaking my mind when I think it's a bit on the pimpish side.

60 Cognito  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:41:37pm
"It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner."


I read this quote a couple of times before I could put my finger on which aspect of it bothers me so much. It's the default assumption that people require "rulers."

Even though the guy is espousing various public revolutions, it's clear he has no true understanding of public will.

61 DesertSage  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:41:44pm

re: #52 Spiny Norman

Spiny, Highrise is not a "dude".
She's an Amazon Warrior who can pinch a mans head off at the neck using just one hand!

62 pink freud  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:42:26pm

re: #58 pink freud
More info here:

[Link: msgboard.snopes.com...]

63 SnakeSpit  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:43:58pm

re: #58 pink freud

Toooo Kewl! The rest of the write up at snopes even gives further info. Thanks.

64 pink freud  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:44:36pm

re: #63 SnakeSpit

65 Spiny Norman  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:44:51pm

re: #55 Highrise

If Charles didn't want people to post links to other blogs, he'd disable the link feature.

Like I said, lighten up dude. We don't need thread nannies. People like you chased Rusty Shackleford off this forum. That was a damn shame.

66 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:45:27pm
67 Bobibutu  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:45:56pm

re: #58 pink freud

re: #54 SnakeSpit

FWIW Snopes does an entry on this, listing it as true.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

[Link: 72.14.253.104...]
Cached ... original took some hits I guess.

68 pink freud  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:47:33pm

re: #63 SnakeSpit

You're welcome, snakespit.

Whenever I am searching for an article/source with no clue as to the origin except the text I am reading, I cut and paste a substantial portion of it, in quotes, (in this case, the entire first paragraph) into a search engine.

69 John Schneider  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:47:45pm

re: #59 Highrise

re: #56 John Schneider

No but at times I think it seems a bit much.

Just my observation.

If you are cool with it..it's ok. But I personally don't mind speaking my mind when I think it's a bit on the pimpish side.

I'm definitely ok with it. I have no opinion with you speaking your mind about it. I was mainly making an observation that "pimping" other blogs is done even here by the owner. I'm the free speech guy, after all. I don't worry about what other people say, unless they can't have an informed opinion. Otherwise, they're just making noise.

70 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:47:46pm

re: #65 Spiny Norman

there is no need to lighten up.

I'm not a thread nanny.

I thought it was tacky.

Deal with the opinion..dude. Yes, it's REALLY that simple.

71 x-ray  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:47:49pm

re: #53 Highrise

Not that I have any weight but I have seen that blog whoring is generally not accepted here but is tolerated for a few posters. Their blogs may be wonderful but if the only traffic they generate is from here, are they really doing anything but preaching to the choir/ masturbating . On the other side if Charles don't care why should I.

72 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:48:29pm

re: #64 pink freud

Hi pink Freud, best nic ever. lol

73 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:48:48pm

re: #66 song_and_dance_man

Then defend her.

I just merely stated my opinion.

I felt it was overdone.

Go to her.

Do what you want.

I call pimping when it looks like it.

74 pink freud  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:49:57pm

re: #72 pat


My biggest nick-fan, Pat! Hello! :)

/hiya highrise!

75 RTLM  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:50:30pm
Sheik Wahwah has refused to speak to the mainstream media in Australia. In his radio interview, he said the allegations that the failed London bomb plotters were linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir was another example of the clash of civilisations and the West’s dropping of one of its most basic values - the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Sheik Wahwah. Calling Captain Irony

76 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:51:17pm

re: #71 x-ray

I just call it the way I see it. I thought it was misplaced. If that earns me enemies..so be it.

I think people just need to think before they post...is all. Not everyone likes their blog pimping..and a few have admitted to me they really didn't realize that others didn't care for them much. Speaks volumes.

77 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:51:31pm

re: #74 pink freud

/wave

78 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:56:29pm

re: #70 Highrise

Some have their specialties. BabbaZee's is very importantant. Like Mandy can swear at the right time (lol), Babba studies religious endgames. Not so much to know her own future, but to know what the cultists think. This is important stuff. Babba is not a mere commentator, she is a scholar. People try to understand what she and others are saying. Because crazy people can cause catastrophe.
And this is all I have to say on this subject.

79 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:58:26pm

re: #78 pat


Maybe so, but we don't all feel that way..so expect dissent.

Pave your own way..is a good way to go if you are making your own blog.

80 x-ray  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 10:58:30pm

re: #76 Highrise
Highrise I was going to write some thoughtful BS but in the end I just agree sometimes the pimping is tacky, and if it's never called out it will never end.

81 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:00:06pm

re: #80 x-ray

/agreed

Plus sometimes, some of those blog owners have done some damage that others do not know about....

having them constantly linked here....gets laughs..by some of us by the way they treat the blog owner, especially at lgf fallgback.

82 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:01:03pm

re: #78 pat

You need to read some lgf fallback..and some back logs....

then we'll talk, pat. Seriously.

83 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:03:25pm

re: #78 pat


Pat, I just went into the lounge, didn't see you. We need to have a chat about this.

Let's get together soon. Please.

84 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:03:42pm
85 x-ray  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:04:44pm

Highrise
I hope this isn't really raising your blood pressure the way it comes across in the writing. life's to short.

86 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:06:06pm

re: #85 x-ray

Highrise
I hope this isn't really raising your blood pressure the way it comes across in the writing. life's to short.


haha my blood pressure is fine :)

I'm a sharp writer. I often have to apologize for my curtness :) .

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:06:25pm
88 Highrise  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:08:01pm

re: #87 song_and_dance_man

I think both of us just merely stated our opinion.

There is no dogs in no fight..on either side. I assure you.

89 x-ray  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:08:37pm

re: #86 Highrise

Curtness, well at least your vocabulary is still high. Goodnight I'm out.

90 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:10:09pm

Back

91 She-ra  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:11:34pm

OT:
I'm on the east coast trying to sleep but Ahmidinejad keeps waking me up, so I posted this article. What do you all think?

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:12:01pm
93 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:12:47pm

re: #74 pink freud

I was talking to someone the other day. Real talk. They said " I saw Pink Freud, best nic ever, the other night." LOL They agreed.

94 ratman  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:16:12pm

Abu Anas

LOL

95 marwan's daughter  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:17:26pm

A question for all of you, even Charles-

Ever get the feeling that we here at LGF are nothing more than witnessing the death by a thousand cuts?

Sorry to be so negative, but I was just wondering. Because even after 9/11, Bali, 7/7, Madrid etc, HuT and other groups like it still operate.

96 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:19:54pm

re: #38 SnakeSpit

re: #33 new2thezoo

Speaking of Islamic eschatology, here is a great link that compares Islamic and Christian eschatology side by side. Easy read and simply explained. Lots of knowledge here:
[Link: answering-islam.org...]

but here is the side by side comparison of the mahdi and the anti-christ its chilling especially since i did my best to fact check the islamic side using muslim websites [Link: answering-islam.org...]

97 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:22:04pm
In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values

I suppose those values lacking include Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

98 victor_yugo  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:24:20pm

re: #95 marwan's daughter

Ever get the feeling that we here at LGF are nothing more than witnessing the death by a thousand cuts?

You're not being negative, and you're not the first person to put it into those words. The word is getting out, I promise you. LGF is not simply preaching to the choir.

99 RTLM  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:34:00pm

re: #95 marwan's daughter

Ever get the feeling that we here at LGF are nothing more than witnessing the death by a thousand cuts?

But turn tables. If you were an active Jihadi in any hot theater (channel), or any anti-Western Imam in the West, you'd be as desperate and delusional as this enemy.

I understand your point. But there is a lot happening right now - mostly good things for our side.

100 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:36:22pm
101 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:37:42pm

re: #100 Sharmuta

LOL

102 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:38:08pm
103 Sharmuta  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:38:43pm

re: #101 pat

Hey!

/meet me in the lounge?

104 pat  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:39:38pm

re: #103 Sharmuta

done

105 JimmyTheClaw  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:42:51pm

minuses for all those that wasted my time by reading blog pimping flame war

106 RTLM  Tue, Sep 25, 2007 11:47:16pm

Islamic Fascists are fighting this war like its their Armageddon. We're fighting this war to secure peace, security and the continuance of our way of life.
Islamic Fascism can have its own private end time, just have it by itself.

God Bless our Troops that they fight sand sacrifice to secure my way of life.

107 marwan's daughter  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:00:08am

Sorry for the pessimistic post above. I'm just worried about a lot of things now.

Here's an OT subject-Looks like Michael Scheur has shown his true colors. Read this POS he wrote for antiwar.com.

108 Cognito  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:07:54am

re: #84 song_and_dance_man

re: #60 Cognito

"It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner."

I read this quote a couple of times before I could put my finger on which aspect of it bothers me so much. It's the default assumption that people require "rulers."

Even though the guy is espousing various public revolutions, it's clear he has no true understanding of public will.

Since you are a mincer or words, you may have missed a more nuanced and subtle aspect of what is communicated here.

Can we see a difference between 'these rulers' and 'their rulers"? It seems as though they are saying that the newly removed rulers are not to be bound to the rules of those whom the public once looked to for rules. In other words, new rules are the dominion of those who become new rulers and with that the old rules are tossed out while new rules are replaced by those that previously ruled in a public manner.

If you could, please clarify what you meant by espousing 'various public revolutions'; I think we are on the same page, but I want to be sure before I agee with you. Shirley you must know the detriment of that qualification from where I sit.

Man, to be honest, I have no idea what any of that means. Maybe I'm just too sleepy, which is a sign it's time to head out. :)

109 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:08:21am
110 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:10:26am

Afghan clash 'kills 60 Taleban'

/oh, sorry, I forgot, we've already been defeated

111 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:12:23am
112 pat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:15:09am

re: #111 Killian Bundy

After years of drinking beer my Dr has concluded it has no deleterious effect on the liver whatsoever. And he has missed out on the best of times.

113 Killian Bundy  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:20:33am

re: #106 RTLM

And we continually kick their asses, much to their perpetual, self-inflicted, we finish what they start, humiliation.

/and yet their 'god' does not help them, instead sending earthquakes and tsunamis that kills hundreds of thousands, if not millions of them, because they are so ardently backward, go figure

114 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:23:37am

re: #110 Killian Bundy

I hope they bag another sixty. The Taliban killed one of ours yesterday.

[Link: www.canada.com...]

115 JWM  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:23:55am

re: #106 RTLM
It is their Armageddon. And that makes it ours, as well, by default. From what I've seen, people who have deep Jewish/Christian, religious faith have a deeper loathing for islam than those for whom religion is a casual, or non-existent factor in their lives. And that's because the believers understand the power of Faith. And they understand that the jihadist is a creature of faith. S & D man has given us the skinny about what the jihadists have faith in.
By the way- I'm not saying that the secular, or non religious don't appreciate the threat. But I do think that coming from a perspective of Faith gives one a little deeper appreciation of the gravity of it.

JWM

116 Nadnerb  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:25:24am

Sheik Wahwah!?!

Wonder if he plays the guitar? Perhaps he's a fan of Judas Priest!

117 Piglet-U93  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:28:20am

At least its not Taqiyya (lying for Islam).

In a sane world this man would be quickly tried for treason.

118 StarsandStripesForever  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:29:01am
Five years ago, most Western observers did not consider Hizb ut-Tahrir a serious threat, but its influence has grown and it now has a presence in about 45 countries.

45 countries!. 45. Wake up, America! Homeland Security, FBI, CIA. Hello?!

119 StarsandStripesForever  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:30:20am

re: #117 Piglet-U93

In a sane world this man would be quickly tried for treason.

I've got to wonder how many innocents will die because he wasn't tried and convicted of treason? Authorities?! Hello?! We are at WAR.

120 Nadnerb  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:32:40am
The group is banned in Europe, China and Saudi Arabia, but remains legal in Britain and Australia, actively pushing the idea of a Muslim rule

They aren't banned here though! Why don't we welcome this group of loving, peaceful tolerant individuals. I'd love it if my kids went to school with them......

121 iraqihere  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:42:50am

Where are the Brits? aren't they going to look after their taxes?

BBCArabic reject any comment I post that says Ahmedinejad lied to Americans when he said there is no homosexuals in Iran, so how we can believe him on his nuclear programs? BBCArabic apparently does not want to let Arabs know, acting in a way more suitable for an Iranian media. IRI-BBC.

Notice they do allow comments accusing Americans of lying, Bush being fool, and the west is fool, but they are right, the west is fool if gonna let their taxes being spent on propaganda for the enemy.

Here

122 blackpajamas  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:59:20am

According to RAND,

"U.S. forces can prevail over the conventional forces of any nation, provided the full panoply of U.S. capabilities can be brought to bear."

"Recognizing this, regional adversaries are focusing their military investments on capabilities that can be used to impede U.S. forces from getting to the fight."

They mean China. They say as much. But by regional adversaries my first thought was Michael Moore; at least in terms of sheer throw-weight. However, that is not to discount the Hillary Voters, a spastic gibbering communist voting block unto themselves, but they would certainly never impede our armed forces, now would they?

Clinton: I won't fund Iraq war without withdrawal plan

123 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:20:28am

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

124 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:37:54am

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

The Worldwide Jewish Conspiracy strikes again!

125 blackpajamas  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:39:40am

"in RAND Corporation war games featuring conflict with Iran, we do not identify substantial roles for ground and amphibious forces."

That reminds me of at least one that will heed the call,... Tod Von Oben.

126 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:43:11am

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

Good morning Carl. I 'hate' (heh, sorry) the way you trickily drag me repeatedly and somewhat blindly onto your blogsite. On the other hand, I always relish whatever you've got going on there. It's funny how the media (and it's consumers) ran to the Monica thing, dropping all else. That's what makes me wonder that maybe we won't care enough about Israel, and the war [bigoted word]s have declared upon all of us, until we're smacked again, much worse than on 911.

Fred

127 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:49:17am
128 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:50:13am

re: #126 Fearless Fred

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

Good morning Carl. I 'hate' (heh, sorry) the way you trickily drag me repeatedly and somewhat blindly onto your blogsite. On the other hand, I always relish whatever you've got going on there. It's funny how the media (and it's consumers) ran to the Monica thing, dropping all else. That's what makes me wonder that maybe we won't care enough about Israel, and the war Muslims have declared upon all of us, until we're smacked again, much worse than on 911.

Fred

The hardest part of that post was finding a picture that was both office safe and funny. Hope you liked it.

129 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:51:06am

re: #112 pat

re: #111 Killian Bundy

After years of drinking beer my Dr has concluded it has no deleterious effect on the liver whatsoever. And he has missed out on the best of times.

Hi Pat. Years of the 'doctor' drinking beer, or years of 'you' drinking beer under his observation?

130 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:51:30am

Speaking of pictures:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Monkey Boy

BBL. Please save me some fruitcup.

131 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:52:56am

Always fruitcup for YOU, Carl! :-)

132 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:54:45am

Watching this got me to thinking:


If we can't all get along, why don't we just put on Hockey jerseys and settle things Canadian style.

133 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:56:28am

re: #128 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #126 Fearless Fred

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

Good morning Carl. I 'hate' (heh, sorry) the way you trickily drag me repeatedly and somewhat blindly onto your blogsite. On the other hand, I always relish whatever you've got going on there. It's funny how the media (and it's consumers) ran to the Monica thing, dropping all else. That's what makes me wonder that maybe we won't care enough about Israel, and the war Muslims have declared upon all of us, until we're smacked again, much worse than on 911.

Fred

The hardest part of that post was finding a picture that was both office safe and funny. Hope you liked it.

Every time I see that poor woman I am disgusted ... I just find nothing attractive at all about her. Bill's mother must have really been a total mess! No -- I did NOT like the pic you chose -- but the post was great. Pics of her are just always disturbing -- to me ... maybe that's a good thing.

134 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:00:00am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ------------------------>
Help yourselves!

135 Corpsman Mom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:01:40am

re: #134 littleoldlady

Wow, straight up 2's and zeros! You need a raise!

136 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:01:52am

Do I usually say "everyone"? or "everybody"?

/losing what little is left of my mind ...

137 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:03:14am

re: #135 Corpsman Mom

Amazing, isn't it? I couldn't have done that if I tried! ;-)

138 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:05:30am

re: #130 Carl in Jerusalem

Speaking of pictures:

Mahmoud Ahmadinejad Monkey Boy

BBL. Please save me some fruitcup.

For that pic, you get fruitcup for life! That's hilarious!

If littlelodlady ever falters, I will provide the famous mornin' cup ... ... tho I should warn you my tastes are not as refined and sophisticated as those of littleoldlady! Her fruitcup is most spectacular.

139 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:05:35am

re: #136 littleoldlady

It doesn't matter, as long as we get our fruitcup. Or is it fruitcake? I can't remember.

140 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:12:55am

I think I qualify as the fruitcake.

re: #138 Fearless Fred

Fred,

It doesn't matter how you make the fruitcup or what you put into it. You'll still get the same percentages of happy people vs. kvetchers.

/btw, have you noticed that fruitcup gets an average of 2+ ratings everyday?
//I'm sure that's what Charles had in mind when he devised the rating system...LOL!

Thanks for volunteering! :-)

141 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:15:33am

re: #140 littleoldlady

I stand by my Idea of getting Charles to replace that rating bar with a tip jar. But only for you.

142 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:18:07am

re: #133 Fearless Fred

re: #128 Carl in Jerusalem

re: #126 Fearless Fred

re: #123 Carl in Jerusalem

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

Good morning Carl. I 'hate' (heh, sorry) the way you trickily drag me repeatedly and somewhat blindly onto your blogsite. On the other hand, I always relish whatever you've got going on there. It's funny how the media (and it's consumers) ran to the Monica thing, dropping all else. That's what makes me wonder that maybe we won't care enough about Israel, and the war Muslims have declared upon all of us, until we're smacked again, much worse than on 911.


i always thought monica had a purrrrty mouth

/ducks
Fred

The hardest part of that post was finding a picture that was both office safe and funny. Hope you liked it.

Every time I see that poor woman I am disgusted ... I just find nothing attractive at all about her. Bill's mother must have really been a total mess! No -- I did NOT like the pic you chose -- but the post was great. Pics of her are just always disturbing -- to me ... maybe that's a good thing.

143 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:18:23am

re: #140 littleoldlady

I stay up late just to ding up my fruitcup.

/Those grabbing fruitcup should at least give the lady a ding up.
//Good night/morning everyone. (lil'ol- that's the word)

144 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:19:16am

re: #139 latitude51

re: #136 littleoldlady

It doesn't matter, as long as we get our fruitcup. Or is it fruitcake? I can't remember.

Good morning latitude,

Whatever it is .. .... it is most nourishing - and satisfying. I for one tho, have had an elegant sufficiency - anything more would be a superfluity.

Must try and catch a few more winks before my work-day begins.

145 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:20:13am

blah getting late messed up last post

i always thought monica had a purrrrty mouth

/ducks

146 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:20:47am

re: #141 latitude51

Not that I wouldn't appreciate the income...you have NO idea.

Frankly, some of us spend so much time here (WHO? ME? ;-) that Charles should charge us rent!

re: #143 Sharmuta

Ah. "everyone"! Thanks, Sharmuta! :-)

147 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:29:17am

re: #146 littleoldlady

Hey, it's lizards like yourself that make this place what it is. You're entitled to a slice of the action. However, I'd be willing to pay a tax just for the privilege to loiter around here.

148 Fearless Fred  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:34:26am

re: #145 JimmyTheClaw

blah getting late messed up last post

i always thought monica had a purrrrty mouth

/ducks

She's all yours.

149 Mich-again  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:35:00am
his brother, Ashraf, a civil engineer at North Sydney Council, was the official leader.

Oh geeze, not another Muslim civil engineer. bin Laden and Ahmadinejad are both civil engineers as well. WTF do they teach in the civil engineering curriculum at Muslim Universities?

150 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:37:17am

re: #147 latitude51

/blushes

Well, I inherited the catering gene from my father (z"l). Gotta go with your strengths, ya know? ;-)

/especially when your "strengths" can be counted on one hand...

151 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:37:47am

Good morning, afternoon, evening, everyone

Fruit cup is on the buffet - - - - ->

152 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:38:55am

:P

153 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:41:15am

re: #149 Mich-again

his brother, Ashraf, a civil engineer at North Sydney Council, was the official leader.
Oh geeze, not another Muslim civil engineer. bin Laden and Ahmadinejad are both civil engineers as well. WTF do they teach in the civil engineering curriculum at Muslim Universities?

Not civility

154 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:42:39am

Morning mig, or is it mike?

155 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:44:42am

No sense in posting this on the thread below, although that's where it belongs...

My daughter is a freshman at Hofstra. Coincidently, she called yesterday to tell me she's coming home - she can't stand it anymore because it's "wall-to-wall liberals" (her words). She was sitting in an English class when one of her fellow students asserted that "we shouldn't have fought in WWII...there must have been another alternative to fighting".

/yeah, my head nearly exploded, too.

I told her to switch to business courses, or transfer to where there's at least a smattering of Republican students.

Any ideas LGFers? Pennsylvania schools would be optimal.

156 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:44:57am

Miguelito! :-)

157 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:44:59am

lol fox is ripping jack bauer (kieffer sutherland) on his dui

158 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:45:04am

Good morning, afternoon, evening *all y'all*!

Fruitcup is on the buffet------------------------------->

:D :D

/trying to get in on the "action" ! LOL

159 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:45:19am

Interesting article on the "Safron Revolution" in Burma.
[Link: pajamasmedia.com...]

160 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:46:40am

re: #154 latitude51

Morning mig, or is it mike?

Call my Mikhail Gore-bash-chub. ;)

161 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:47:12am

Um...you guys DO know that's a trademarked brand, right? Wouldn't want to have to sue y'all.

/another income stream identified!

;-)

162 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:49:43am

littleoldlady
Hello! :)

For starters, that's a very healthy sign, showing the education of a mother who has known how to teach her child the difference between right and wrong (as this is, ultimately, what this whole issue boils down too).
On that account, I congratulate you and TOM ;)

How about Liberty University?

Jerry Falwell's school. Conservative as none other.
Though I think it's in Virginia hehe.

163 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:50:08am

re: #157 JimmyTheClaw

He can't help it, he's Canadian

164 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:50:17am

re: #161 littleoldlady

Um...you guys DO know that's a trademarked brand, right? Wouldn't want to have to sue y'all.

/another income stream identified!

;-)

Hahahaha.
Hahahahahahahaha....

You're so funny hahahahaha.

165 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:50:50am

Hey gettinby! :)

We're about to be sued ;)

166 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:53:08am

re: #161 littleoldlady

O.K.

Beer's in the fridge--------------------------->

167 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:54:25am

re: #166 latitude51

re: #161 littleoldlady

O.K.

Beer's in the fridge--------------------------->

Corona for me please.
Or Negra Modelo, even better ;)

168 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:55:49am

re: #165 MigueldowninMexico

LOL!

Can you imagine the court scene?!

/Hope the judge has a good and solid sense of humor. ;)

169 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:58:01am

re: #168 gettinby

re: #165 MigueldowninMexico

LOL!

Can you imagine the court scene?!

/Hope the judge has a good and solid sense of humor. ;)

Hahahahaha.
I would be making jokes I guess.
And everybody would be throwing links right and left lol
And littleoldlady would be very indignant over the possesion of the Dead Thread Morning Greeting ™
And you? lol

170 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:58:28am

re: #162 MigueldowninMexico

Oh, we didn't do a blessed thing! In fact, we are constantly scratching our heads wondering how two moderate conservatives (or conservative moderates, or used-to-be-liberals...your choice! ;-) gave birth to such a raging Republican.

Think "Alex Keaton".

And Virginia is out; New York is far enough, thank you very much. I also don't think she'd feel at home at a school without a decent sized Jewish population.

171 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:59:09am

re: #167 MigueldowninMexico

Do Mexicans really drink Coronas? I always thought it was something you guys passed of on the gringos.
/ I actually had three of those tonight. And three of these
[Link: www.wildrosebrewery.com...]

172 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:01:11am

re: #170 littleoldlady

re: #162 MigueldowninMexico

Oh, we didn't do a blessed thing! In fact, we are constantly scratching our heads wondering how two moderate conservatives (or conservative moderates, or used-to-be-liberals...your choice! ;-) gave birth to such a raging Republican.

Think "Alex Keaton".

And Virginia is out; New York is far enough, thank you very much. I also don't think she'd feel at home at a school without a decent sized Jewish population.

If that's the case littleoldlady, I would thank God if I were you. Actually my son is very conservative, but he grew up in a conservative ambiance, still, I thank God a lot he didn't go the moonbat way. It happens even to children from conservative families, you know.
:)

Decent sized jewish population?
COLUMBIA.

And give my warm regards to Mr. Bollinger, please ;)

173 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:03:14am

re: #171 latitude51

re: #167 MigueldowninMexico

Do Mexicans really drink Coronas? I always thought it was something you guys passed of on the gringos.
/ I actually had three of those tonight. And three of these
[Link: www.wildrosebrewery.com...]

Actually yes, quite a few people drink Corona here.

Ok now drink 3 of X brand and another 3 of Z brand.

A cold beer and two aspirins will be the best for you tomorrow :)

A bloody mary would do too.

174 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:03:23am

re: #172 MigueldowninMexico

COLUMBIA.

Forget the lawsuit. I may have to kill you!

175 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:03:48am

Good moring, Lizards. Internet problems kept me away yesterday.

The hearing Monday went well. We reached an agreement that rescinded the PFA (his name would have been entered in a national data base, and he REALLY didn't want that) but instead granted me a court order with the same provisions PLUS more money than I would have been awarded in child and spousal support. The main difference is that if he violated a PFA, he'd go to jail; if he violates this order, he'll be in contempt. Now that he's out of the house, I'm not worried about it as much.

It was emotionally draining, especially for my boys.

I think I've discovered a new definition of libterals and conservatives: liberals live by their "feelings"; conservatives live by their commitments and prinicples.

176 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:04:41am

re: #174 littleoldlady

re: #172 MigueldowninMexico

COLUMBIA.

Forget the lawsuit. I may have to kill you!

Hahahahahahahahaha

177 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:05:12am

Is LOLFD* changing schools?

(F)avorite (D)aughter

Didn't read upthread before starting...sorry.

/must start doing that I think.

178 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:06:12am

Sprite could fix-up a Corona just right, but oherwise I don't enjoy them like I did when I was younger.

179 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:06:35am

re: #169 MigueldowninMexico

I would be making jokes I guess.
And everybody would be throwing links right and left lol
And littleoldlady would be very indignant over the possesion of the Dead Thread Morning Greeting ™

LOL

I'm not mean - SNARK is my thing. ;)

180 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:07:46am

re: #175 goddessoftheclassroom

I'm glad that it went better than you expect goddess ;)

About liberals and conservatives, if you haven't, I advise you to watch the Disney's video that Charles featured I think it was yesterday.
Very enlightening, explaining exactly what you told about feelings and commitments. In this case feelings and reason, practically the same idea.

Hold strong in there!

181 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:08:56am

re: #178 latitude51

Sprite could fix-up a Corona just right, but oherwise I don't enjoy them like I did when I was younger.

Oh yes, Sprite can fix anything!
She's a great caterer!

182 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:09:31am

re: #179 gettinby

re: #169 MigueldowninMexico

I would be making jokes I guess.
And everybody would be throwing links right and left lol
And littleoldlady would be very indignant over the possesion of the Dead Thread Morning Greeting ™

LOL

I'm not mean - SNARK is my thing. ;)

I know you're not mean ;)

183 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:09:35am

re: #177 gettinby

We're exploring other options...just in case. She's not entirely happy at Hofstra. Not that any of us think a kid (especially MNT) will be entirely happy anywhere, but she can be equally unhappy for a lot less money and aggravation at another school.

184 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:10:01am

Some reassuring news for our Ohio Lizards. Ohio's largest mosque replaces deplort imam.

[Link: www.wdtn.com...]

185 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:10:41am

{goddess!} That's great news!

186 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:11:38am

Interesting tidbit about the term y'all.

/I know, I know...it's Wikipedia, but it's the best I can do on short notice.

187 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:12:28am

re: #175 goddessoftheclassroom

I don't know your story there but I wish you and your boys the very best. It sounds like you've been through quite an ordeal. Gather your strength and move forward, and it will soon be behind you. Life's too precious and short to live with misery.

188 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:12:38am

re: #183 littleoldlady

re: #177 gettinby

We're exploring other options...just in case. She's not entirely happy at Hofstra. Not that any of us think a kid (especially MNT) will be entirely happy anywhere, but she can be equally unhappy for a lot less money and aggravation at another school.

One of my former students, who is also Jewish, is at Brandeis. She really likes it. Has lolfd looked there? (Sorry if this has already been discussed and I missed it).

189 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:12:59am

littleoldlady
Some community college in a conservative community...

190 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:13:29am

littleoldlady
Some conservative Jewish college.

191 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:14:23am

re: #187 latitude51

You are so right. For all my shortcomings, I've been blessed with the gift of being able to forgive, let go, and live for today (and tomorrow).

192 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:14:44am

littleoldlady! Very good planning. Cheaper for the same is a very good goal.

/cheaper for less - not so good.

{goddess}!

You did good. I feel bad for your kids, however. Thank God they have you as a mom. :)

193 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:17:14am

re: #190 MigueldowninMexico

littleoldlady
Some conservative Jewish college.

Oh yeah. Good luck with that! :-/

goddess,
If I'm not mistaken Brandeis has had problems with the MSA. I think Charles had a thread on that a while back... (?)

Anyway, I would like her to get SOME vague idea of a major / field of study before she moves on. Otherwise she may be transferring again.

194 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:17:35am

littleoldlady
Does West Point admit women already?

Rofl!

195 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:19:17am

Oh. She doesn't know what to study.
That is a problem, sure.

196 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:21:17am

re: #184 BulgarWheat

Some reassuring news for our Ohio Lizards. Ohio's largest mosque replaces deplort imam.

[Link: www.wdtn.com...]

From the story...

Damra apologized and said his views had changed but was shunned by the interfaith leaders who once worked with him.

/yeah, riiiiight.

We just moved from our office in the northeast part of Tampa. Our neighbors had included CAIR's office and an "unmarked" mosque. I was always in a bad mood when I went to work at that location. Hmmm...

197 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:21:55am

Well, I better get a few hours sleep. I take the kids to school in three hours. We have a Rabbi coming to give some sort or a lesson and I've been assigned to help assemble something to go with it. I'm not Jewish so I'm not sure what it's all about, but I can report back tomorrow. Should be fun.

198 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:22:47am

re: #192 gettinby

You're so kind. One of the absurd/comic elements of the morning was my boys and I waiting in the stairwell so that we didn't have to be in the hallway when my EH walked to the courtroom.

Another great thing about the "deal" is that the boys didn't have to testify. They actually wanted to, but I didn't want to risk long-term adverse effects.

The truly tragic element is that my EH has become a person who chose pleasure over his wife, children, home, and reputation, EVEN when he was given several chances to repair the damage of his lies and betrayal.

Free will means being able to chose sin, too. What a shame.

199 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:22:51am

I want to doctorate in XII Century BC North-Eastern Buthan's silverware.

Been waiting for 30 years for a University to be founded that would eventually carry my S.D. (Silverware Doctor) degree.

200 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:23:15am

re: #196 gettinby

Well, that was a big OOOOPS...meant to bold as follows:

Damra apologized and said his views had changed but was shunned by the interfaith leaders who once worked with him.

201 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:25:04am

Lat
Good night my friend, take care and do tell us about that experience!
Bye now ;)

202 latitude51  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:26:41am

re: #201 MigueldowninMexico

And for dinner I will drink a Corona to you.
cheers!

203 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:27:37am

re: #200 gettinby

re: #196 gettinby

Well, that was a big OOOOPS...meant to bold as follows:

Damra apologized and said his views had changed but was shunned by the interfaith leaders who once worked with him.

( With Handel's Alleluyah )
La Taqiya, la taqiya, la taqiya, la taqiya.....

204 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:28:10am

re: #202 latitude51

re: #201 MigueldowninMexico

And for dinner I will drink a Corona to you.
cheers!

Cheers Lat! ;)

205 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:29:27am

Oy. Just remembered we're short a car today. Must go.

Good day, ALL!™

206 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:29:37am

re: #198 goddessoftheclassroom

Free will means being able to chose sin, too. What a shame.

I believe I'm safe in saying - trust me on this, his choices will NOT be free. He will pay and pay dearly for the rest of his life. I'm not talking about money either. Somewhere in his head and heart, there is still a conscience that will start chewing away at him.

BUT, it's no longer your concern is it? You and the kids are about to embark on an exciting new life of opportunities. You seem like the type that will take positive action on those opportunities.

I am off to work.

Great day to all y'all !

207 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:30:16am

re: #205 littleoldlady

Oy. Just remembered we're short a car today. Must go.

Good day, ALL!™

Bye littleoldlady.
Don't be short...
;)

208 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:31:19am

Good bye, Gettinby!
Have a great day ;)

209 goddessoftheclassroom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:32:32am

Well, I've got to run, too. May all go well for all of us!

210 gettinby  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:32:33am

*pssssst* Miguel

Now that littleoldlady is gone, you and I need to discuss hiring a good attorney, don't we?

/or in your case, a body guard?!

LOLOL

{littleoldlady}

Bye for now.

211 flipflop  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:32:39am

In honor of his most amusing name, I hereby decree that from this point forward, when this name is written or spoken, it be followed by an appropriate parenthetical remark. For example:

Sheik Wahwah (heh)
Sheik Wahwah (hee-hee)
Sheik Wahwah (guffaw)

212 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:33:04am

I think I'm alone. At last!

Lately it's been dangerous to post on LGF LOl

Better alone than under fire...

213 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:33:42am

WOW. Nine pluses on the fruitcup?! That's a record!

/I'm going to end up on the front page.
//ROTFL!

Thanks everyone. Maybe it won't be such a bad day after all...

214 littleoldlady  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:34:21am

biglittleoldlady is watching.

/not

215 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:34:35am

re: #210 gettinby

*pssssst* Miguel

Now that littleoldlady is gone, you and I need to discuss hiring a good attorney, don't we?

/or in your case, a body guard?!

LOLOL

{littleoldlady}

Bye for now.

I'm too scared of littleoldlady.
I think I will escape and run to hide in Mexico.
Hey! wait a minute! I'm already there hehe.

216 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:35:05am

#212 MigueldowninMexico

You'll never be alone on LGF. The Al Reuters types are never far away.

heh

217 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:35:22am

re: #214 littleoldlady

biglittleoldlady is watching.

/not

Oops

/trembles...

218 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:36:53am

Hahahaha flip flop good one hahaha.

219 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:37:47am

re: #216 BulgarWheat

#212 MigueldowninMexico

You'll never be alone on LGF. The Al Reuters types are never far away.

heh

Al Reuters is watching you, Winston!
;)

220 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:37:47am

re: #198 goddessoftheclassroom

re: #192 gettinby

You're so kind. One of the absurd/comic elements of the morning was my boys and I waiting in the stairwell so that we didn't have to be in the hallway when my EH walked to the courtroom.

Another great thing about the "deal" is that the boys didn't have to testify. They actually wanted to, but I didn't want to risk long-term adverse effects.

The truly tragic element is that my EH has become a person who chose pleasure over his wife, children, home, and reputation, EVEN when he was given several chances to repair the damage of his lies and betrayal.

Free will means being able to chose sin, too. What a shame.

i'm glad to see you got through that crisis ok hopefully you will find somebody that deserves you

221 Buckeye Abroad  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:40:10am

#216 BulgarWheat

You're up late.

222 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:44:38am

I just read an article by a Mexican pundit about why TV and newspapers are losing public constantly. The phenomenon is not very different from that in the USA. Besides blind fanaticism, they clinge to old models of communication (all the blogs in Mexican newspapers are moderated, they kick out anything that they don't like, for example).Thus, the New Media is eating them alive.

Some guys should be meditating on that, instead of pipping into other people's blogs.

LOL!

223 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:44:44am

#221 Buckeye Abroad
naw, I'm actually up very early. I've been down at the beach (North Carolina) with the family all week. I went to bed early, now just hanging around here browsing through LGF and other assorted web pages.

Just chillin' while the family sleeps. The suns going to be coming up over the Atlantic here in a couple of minutes. I'll take the computer outside to enjoy that with my coffee.

Buck's are looking pretty good this year.

How many batteries does it take to shock a ttun fan?

1AA!

224 MigueldowninMexico  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:47:19am

Wow, time flies on line.
I have to go now. Good bye all lizards and God bless :)

225 BenZacharia  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:49:55am

re: #221 Buckeye Abroad

How ya doin'? All the Buckeyes are off the tree, got a full bushel.

226 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:52:56am

aaaack that name is giving me flashbacks to my digital classes. havent thought about flipflops or gates in years hmmmm.... maybe i need more beer or sleep wooot mancow is on fox

227 Thanos  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:55:24am

It's not an accident that HuT's flag and Al Qaeda's are the same.

228 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 3:56:50am

re: #227 Thanos

It's not an accident that HuT's flag and Al Qaeda's are the same.

flag of jihad?

229 jim in virginia  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:01:44am

Morning all. Bulgar wheat, how's the beach?

I thnk I'm developing a man- crush on Sarkozy.

If loving you is wrong , I don't want to be right....
230 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:07:37am

#229 jim in virginia

Good morning, Jim! It's been a great week at the beach! Great food, beaches almost empty, lots of time for naps, too much sun. Tossing the football around with my son. Mid 90's all week long.

231 JimmyTheClaw  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:11:17am

a video for all the islamofascists

232 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:12:51am

re: #230 BulgarWheat

You gonna fill in for Rex Grossman?

My sister and her husband have a place on North Topsail Island, really nice down there. One big problem though, they live in Cincinnati. Lots of fresh shrimp in that area, they sell these monster shrimp as bait cheaper than we can buy it at the market up here. NOT FAIR

233 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:18:21am

re: #230 BulgarWheat

Life is good!

234 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:18:38am

#232 Widow'smight

We go a lot further south, down to Ocean Isle. Nothing really other than beach houses, a couple junk shops and a smattering of places to eat.

Took the mini-wheats out for icecream last night.

This has been very restful vacation. I am getting some major hunger for some seafood, though.

I have friends who drive down from the Dayton area every year during the July 4th beach week. We had a huge house on the beach last summer, 24 guests. This trip is just a nice, little 3 bed room condo. About a tenth of the cost from the July Beach Week.

I put it off yesterday, but I think I'm going to ply to lovely Mrs. Wheat with Mumosa's this morning. That always leads to interesting afternoons at the beach....

235 blue_like_jazz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:23:06am

bulgar, i am SO jealous! what's the name of that pizza place there @ ocean isle? i've only been to that beach once and that was like 10 years ago, but i sure do remember that pizza.

236 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:24:11am

Bulgar Wheat,

Took the mini-wheats out for icecream last night

I guess you had Frosted Mini-wheats after that.

In Wilmington, they have the Battleship North Carolina, a little museum on the Cape Fear River (civil war) and an aquarium. We had a good time, I really liked going on the battleship and climbing inside the 16 inch gun turrets. Can't imagine the sound inside one of those babies when it went off though.

237 Jim in Virginia  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:25:15am

Mini drones - the next stage of law enforcement.
Coming soon to the sky over Gaza (if they aren't there already.)

238 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:25:25am
and backed the use of suicide bombings...

he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

Hmmm. That's an interesting take on "defending" yourself.

Unless of course your "religion" is a death cult.

239 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:26:29am
240 Che Cacara  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:39:45am

Well Wahwah, what would you think if we (the civilised world) said that our only aim is to destroy Islam. Why would we be bothered, Islam is doing a wonderful job of destroying itself. Wahwah and the rest of his like minded pricks are steering Islam onto the rocks, keep going.

241 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:43:11am

#235 blue_like_jazz

The only pizza joint I can think of is @ the Arcade or the pier. We don't go out to eat that ofter down here. If it can't be grilled, or prepared in the kitchen, we go in land or sometimes down to the Myrtal Beach area for a Callabash seafood buffett.

It's mid-week and I'm starting to feel my batteries recharging. I don't care what anyone says, sand between the toes and an ice cold beer in the hand is good therapy.

242 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:46:07am

#236 Widow'smight

We've been going up to see the Battleship, North Carolina over the past couple of years. The kids have lost interest unfortunately.

We mostly just veg at the beach, the pool, the beach, the pool in an endless cycle.

They were talking about rain, but it doesn't look at all like rain right now.

Going to go eat some cereal, and put up the top on my tent for the day. I'll check in later on, Lizards!

243 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:47:02am

To My Ex-Favorite Little Dictator - Mamoud "Mammie"

I'm Over It


/Your American Lesbian Admirer

244 LSD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:51:21am

New Jersey's Obscene Invitation

As the father of a terror victim, I can no longer be shocked by much ... But I was shocked and surprised to I learn that John L. Esposito will be a featured speaker at next week's state Department of Homeland Security confernce on counter- terrorism ...Esposito finds time to appear around the country at events sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) - helping the group raise funds to explain that the real problem fronting us today is less a clash of cultures than a clash of Islam with American foreign policy ... If we judge someone by the company he keeps, Esposito could do better - for at a CAIR gathering in Dallas, Esposito described Sami Al-Arian as "a very good friend of mine." Al-Arian is the Palestinian professor who pleaded guilty last year to conspiring to provide money to Palestinian Islamic Jihad - the group responsible for the 1995 bus-bombing murder of my daughter Alisa and seven others ... Judging by his other speeches and writings, he'll say that America must promote broader self-determination in the Muslim world (whatever that means) and develop a "balanced" policy on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict - which clearly translates to "America must abandon Israel to its foes or face the consequences."... It seems that Esposito blames everyone but those actually responsible for much of the mayhem in the world - Islamic extremists and those who support them. Is this the kind of person we want to lecture about terrorism to New Jersey's first responders? ...
245 DP111  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 4:52:52am
“I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country,” he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

I wholeheartedly agree. We are being invaded under the guise of immigration, both legal and illegal, and we have a right to defend ourselves.

The result of immigration of Muslims to the West has resulted in terrorism from within. The fear of terrorism is worse and is having a catastrophic impact on freedoms we have taken for granted. Security cameras, intrusive surveillance, monitoring use of the Internet, intrusive searches, retina scans, DNA profiling etc, are all leading us towards a police state. It is hard to imagine that all this has occurred in a matter of just 6 years. What the future holds as Muslim populations in the West increase exponentially, one fears to even contemplate.

This is the price we are paying for allowing mass Muslim immigration to the West.

If we carry on as we are now, blithely ignoring all facts about Islam, then a civil war in Europe is very likely, as power is never handed over voluntarily. Such a civil war will be gruesome, and the winner will extract a bloody vengeance, with ethnic cleansing on a mass scale. Partition of Europe into Muslim and non-Muslims regions, on the like of Bosnia or Kosovo, will be the only way to contain such a war. It is this future we are headed towards. Even if we win the war, it will scar European and Western conscience to such an extent that it will lead to its moral collapse.

Common humanity and a concern for Muslims and non-Muslims lives alike, require that we stop and then reverse Muslim immigration. It is the most humane option available. As the sheikh says, “I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country, the victim should not be asked how he is defending himself".

God help us.

246 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:01:33am

A modern stone-age family.

Palestinian Cave Dwellers

Livin' large.

247 daughter of patriots  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:07:33am

This, appears to be a timely sale, indeedTM.

248 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:09:19am

I'm having trouble finding these 16 who voted against this. Looking for their names/states. Any help would be appreciated.

9-25-07 [Link: news.yahoo.com...]

Congress signaled its disapproval of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with a vote Tuesday to tighten sanctions against his government.

================================================== =

The House passed, by a 397-16 vote, a proposal by Lantos, D-Calif., aimed at blocking foreign investment in Iran, in particular its lucrative energy sector. The bill would specifically bar the president from waiving U.S. sanctions.

249 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:14:04am

I found it, thanks.

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

250 DP111  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:14:06am
In his radio interview, he said the allegations that the failed London bomb plotters were linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir was another example of the clash of civilisations and the West’s dropping of one of its most basic values - the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Here we have a typical tactic of the sheikh using the freedoms we have to discredit the West and its values.

This tactic has been in use for a long long time (just after 9/11 on MEMRI). I think it was Omar Bakri who boasted that Islam will defeat the West, literally or on grounds of principle, as we will have to abandon our principles and core values. Either way, in his view, Islam will be victorious.

This abuse of our constitutional freedoms and safeguards has been going for quite a while. An excerpt from an interview with Bakri on MEMRI, openly states what his goals are in subjecting these safeguards to stress. It is not to seek protection from them but to destroy them.

Q: "You are charged with links to organizations towards which Britain is hostile and which it sees as enemies. You preach to your pupils to see the Taliban movement and Osama bin Laden as the group which [according to Muslim tradition] will be saved [on Judgment Day]."

Bakri: "As long as my words do not become actions, they do no harm! Here, the law does not punish you for words, as long as there is no proof you have carried out actions. In such a case you are still on the margins of the law, and they cannot punish you. If they want to punish you, they must present evidence against you, otherwise their laws will be in a state of internal contradiction. Then this will serve Islam, because we will be able to claim that the capitalist camp has failed in the face of the Islamic camp in actualizing the things in which it believes, like freedom of expression."

Q: "That is, you are testing this [Western] regime?"

Bakri: "Yes. We must prove that the man-made law is a fragile law."

His argument is that we are constrained by our legal and social principles, and Islam would thus win. If OTH we abandoned our principles to resist Islam, then Islam would have won on grounds of principle, ie it had stayed steadfast in its core principles, while we abandoned them under pressure.

A link going back to 2004.

[Link: www.theage.com.au...]

251 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:17:16am

John Coyners, Keith Ellison, Ronald Paul are just three of those who voted nay.

Surprised?

252 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:17:37am

re: #245 DP111

Lordy, lordy, lordy! Haven't seen you 'round these parts in a coons age!

I've noticed the Financial Times has been running puff pieces about Muslims in Europe.

morning lizards!

253 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:18:58am

TimeQuake (#249),

Keith Ellison voted against it?!

I'm shocked.

254 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:19:06am

re: #249 TimeQuake

I found it, thanks.

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

Three GOP voted nay, including Ron Paul, of course.

The usual moonbat Dems voted nay as well.

255 lowandslow  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:20:13am

re: #246 JammieWearingFool

Here's one for you Jammie.

OSU's third-team QB Henton charged with soliciting a prostitute.

Why in the world does a college QB have to use a hooker on a campus with 25,000 women?

256 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:20:34am

Those Aussies know how to have fun.

Check out the bikini battalion.

Hey now...

257 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:22:05am

Well the Canadian dollar has plummeted a few hundredths of a cent. Now when I stay at my usual Times Square haunt my daily helping of "street meat" will cost me $2.26 instead of $2.25. Oh, the humanity!

258 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:27:41am

OT:

[Link: www.express.co.uk...]

"A%u2008RACE equality chief last night called for British history to be rewritten to include the contribution of other cultures.

Trevor Phillips, head of the Commission for Equality and Human Rights, said including the role of foreign nations in events would foster a sense of national identity.

But last night there were fears our history was being rewritten to be “political correct” and pander to minority groups.

Mr Phillips claimed the role of the Muslim Turks in “saving” Queen Elizabeth I from defeat by the Spanish Armada in 1588 was one such important omission which should be written in."

Just crazy. I posted a comment on there, so screw writing more here. :p

Oh, well I'll write one thing. "National identity"? No, multiculturalism does not lead to that. It leads to people having an identity distinctly different from british cultural identity. It leads to tons of different minority groups all trying to climb over each other to be heard. Damn these nuts.

259 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:31:22am

Another interesting vote on Tuesday, 9-25-07...

Strongly condemning the United Nations Human Rights Council for ignoring severe human rights abuses in various countries, while choosing to unfairly target Israel by including it as the only country permanently placed on the Council's agenda.

With only two nay votes /drum roll , please/ Ronald Paul and Dennis Kucinich.

[Link: www.govtrack.us...]

260 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:33:18am

re: #255 lowandslow

re: #246 JammieWearingFool

Why in the world does a college QB have to use a hooker on a campus with 25,000 women?


Better than sliding his hands up under a bathroom stall trying to get an undercover cop hike him some balls.

261 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:35:52am

re: #234 BulgarWheat

Don't forget the sunscreen for the uh..delicate parts...

262 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:38:36am

re: #255 lowandslow

Must feel like the little man on campus.

263 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:38:37am

&#9834 &#9836 Good morning {LGF} &#9834 &#9836

Another nice, humid day in the valley and boy howdy we had some major boomers just before sunrise. Needed the rain, though and it looks like the weekend will be really nice. I'll take it. :)

There's something about this that simply doesn't fit and I can't put my finger on it other than to expect an honour killing in the victim's future.

264 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:40:33am

The National Association of Gals would probably freak over this.

Polish Body Politic

I have a much greater appreciation for Polish politics now.

265 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:41:56am

Mahmoud - I'm sending you this personal message:

Lyrics:

I'm over your lies
and I'm over your games.

I'm over you asking me
When you know I'm not okay.
You call me and I...
And I pick up the phone.
And though you've been telling me, I know you're not alone.

Oh and that's why

Your eyes... I'm over it.
You're smile... I'm over it.

Realized... I'm over it, I'm over it, I'm over...

Moving on
It is my time.
You never were a friend of mine.
Hurt at first a little bit
But now I'm so over
So over it.
I'm so over it...

Wanting you to be wanting me.
No, that ain't no way to be.
How I feel.
Read my lips.
Because I'm so over it.

Moving on
It is my time
You never were a friend of mine
Hurt at first a little bit
Now I'm so over
So over it.

Amazing video - Katharine Mcphee - Over It

266 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:41:58am

re: #258 MattMacD

OT:

[Link: [Link: www.express.co.uk...]...]

"A%u2008RACE equality chief last night called for British history to be rewritten to include the contribution of other cultures.

Trevor Phillips, head of the Commission for Equality and Human Rights, said including the role of foreign nations in events would foster a sense of national identity.


Off Thread.

This is the Early Morning Dead Thread.

ha.

267 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:42:03am

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

268 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:44:52am

re: #264 JammieWearingFool

The National Association of Gals would probably freak over this.

Polish Body Politic

I have a much greater appreciation for Polish politics now.

I would hang a chad for any of those gals.

269 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:47:53am

re: #267 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?


morning loppyd!

dunno - coz hasn't shown up yet.

270 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:48:10am

Poll: Americans More Negative on Islam

The number of Americans who say Islam has little or nothing in common with their own religion has spiked to 70 percent in the past two years from 59 percent, the poll found.

Another significant shift has taken place: In 2005, 36 percent of the public said Islam is more likely than other faiths to encourage violence among its believers. That number has risen to 45 percent.

Why ever could that be?

271 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:48:35am
re: #266 ibmkeyboard

re: #258 MattMacD

OT:


Off Thread.

This is the Early Morning Dead Thread.

ha.

Off Topic... but, point taken. :p

272 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:49:36am

re: #269 grayp


morning loppyd!

dunno - coz hasn't shown up yet.

Hi Grayp!

Ah yes, we need our update from cozland...

273 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:51:46am

re: #270 Geepers


Only 45%?! Gah! We've got our work cut out for us.

274 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:54:15am

9-25-07
'Gays' mock Jesus with Last Supper take-off
Taxpayers subsidize event with nudity, orgies under watch of police

Barber said his group wants California's elected officials – including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer – to "publicly condemn this unprovoked attack against Christ and His followers."

The annual street event, which includes displays of nudity and sexual activity – is scheduled for Sept. 30.

"We further challenge the media to cover this affront to Christianity with the same vigor as recent stories about cartoon depictions of Muhammad and other items offensive to the Muslim community," he said.

275 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:56:02am

Stop me if you've heard this before....

Boy, 12, Hit In Crosswalk

BOSTON -- A 12-year-old boy was in stable condition Wednesday morning, recovering after being hit and dragged by a van in Lynnfield.

The driver of that van is an illegal immigrant and doesn't have a license.

Antonio Montenegro, 52, said he had no idea he hit the child.

276 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:56:19am

Good Morning ~

Fall is in the air - yesterday was 85 and humid, this morning we have 55 and briskness - I dig it!

Scrolling through the thread and I really dig this, too:

re: #106 RTLM

Islamic Fascists are fighting this war like its their Armageddon. We're fighting this war to secure peace, security and the continuance of our way of life.
Islamic Fascism can have its own private end time, just have it by itself.

God Bless our Troops that they fight sand sacrifice to secure my way of life.

277 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:56:21am
278 Buck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:56:35am
279 The Other Les  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:57:34am

re: #267 loppyd

Good Morning, Lizard Nation!

What's the good word?

Daylight.

280 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:57:36am

Barak: Gaza operation near

The minister explained there were many reasons why the operation was not carried out in the past few weeks, and added that an operation in Gaza "is not easy in terms of forces, the amount of time that the IDF would have to stay there, or in terms of the operational challenges the fighters will be met with.

"We know that in Sderot life is still far from normal like in central Israel. Very extensive intelligence and operational activity is taking place in Sedort and the Gaza vicinity. The Shin Bet and IDF fighters, along with the Israel Air Force, are trying to minimize as much as possible the Qassam attacks. Unfortunately, we are still unable to do that."

281 ibmkeyboard  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:57:37am

re: #270 Geepers

Poll: Americans More Negative on Islam

The number of Americans who say Islam has little or nothing in common with their own religion has spiked to 70 percent in the past two years from 59 percent, the poll found.Another significant shift has taken place: In 2005, 36 percent of the public said Islam is more likely than other faiths to encourage violence among its believers. That number has risen to 45 percent.
I cant believe it,

After reading Momad DiarrheaJerkoffs Columbia Univ. speech,
was almost persuaded to join my local Mosque.

282 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:57:49am

re: #274 TimeQuake

9-25-07
'Gays' mock Jesus with Last Supper take-off
Taxpayers subsidize event with nudity, orgies under watch of police

Barber said his group wants California's elected officials – including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger and Sens. Dianne Feinstein and Barbara Boxer – to "publicly condemn this unprovoked attack against Christ and His followers."

The annual street event, which includes displays of nudity and sexual activity – is scheduled for Sept. 30.

"We further challenge the media to cover this affront to Christianity with the same vigor as recent stories about cartoon depictions of Muhammad and other items offensive to the Muslim community," he said.

Do they really think that helps their cause? :
/atheist

283 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 5:59:46am

re: #246 JammieWearingFool

From your article on the Pali Cave Dwellers,

The Hamamdas do not know when exactly their forebears moved into the caves, but Mahmud says his grandfather dug out the first of the 25 caves sometime around the turn of the last century. Today they house more than 150 people.

So they've been there only about 107 years. And already they have improved their standard of living by adding a few more caves and using a gasoline powered generator to watch TV. My my, what industrious folk!

284 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:00:40am

Awful quiet in here this morning ...

285 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:01:20am

re: #276 ChicagoBlue

Good Morning {ChicagoBlue}!

May hit 90 in Boston today....send us some of that crisp air!

286 Aladin Sane  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:01:43am

re: #284 Miss Trixie

Awful quiet in here this morning ...

Too quiet. There must be injuns out there...

287 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:02:31am

re: #284 Miss Trixie

Awful quiet in here this morning ...

It is!


Was there a party last night that we didn't know about or something?

288 Reev  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:02:58am

What will it take for the West to wake up?

289 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:03:53am

re: #285 loppyd

Morning {loppyd}
No kidding, that was us yesterday ~ I'm sure your crispness is right around the corner!

Good Morning Miss Trixie ~

290 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:03:59am

Deployed gunners have eagle eyes with safer turret system

Air Force News Agency Sep 25, 2007

MOODY AIR FORCE BASE: Security forces Airmen here are now training with a new high-technology weapons system currently being used during outside-the-wire patrols in Iraq.

CROWS is a stabilized, computer-controlled, all-weather firing platform mounted over the turret-gunner's station of an up-armored Humvee, Sergeant Amann said. It provides a 360-degree long-range precision engagement capability to a patrol crew while keeping the gunner safely protected inside the vehicle.

The approximately $250,000 weapon station is capable of mounting a variety of armament, such as the MK-19 40-mm automatic grenade launcher or an M2 .50-cal. heavy machine gun, said Steve Coppinger, a CROWS training specialist.

"The weapon station is guided by a laser rangefinder and ballistic computer pre-programmed with the flight characteristics of every ammunition type," Mr. Coppinger said. "The result is an incredibly accurate firing solution, even when the vehicle is on the move. A gunner only needs to put the crosshairs on target, tag it with the laser rangefinder, accept the firing solution and the computer adjusts the aim point automatically.

"CROWS allows a team to have 'first shot on target' accuracy well before a team is close enough to be in danger," he said. "One of the crews I trained in Iraq later told me they used a .50 cal M2 to kill an insurgent with just a single shot taken at 2,300 meters. They hit him in the head from 1.4 miles away with the first round."

Wow.

291 JammieWearingFool  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:04:36am

From restive Waziristan:

Militants behead "U.S. spies"

292 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:05:22am

re: #287 loppyd

re: #284 Miss Trixie


Awful quiet in here this morning ...

It is!


Was there a party last night that we didn't know about or something?


In a manner of speaking. Charles hauled out the banning stick - clubbed 3 I believe.

293 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:05:23am

Breast-Feeding Mom Appeals Decision

Woman Wants Extra Break Time During Exam

BOSTON -- A Harvard student who was denied extra break time during a nine-hour medical exam to pump breast milk returned to court Tuesday.

NewsCenter 5's Shiba Russell reported that Sophie Currier, 33, sued after the National Board of Medical Examiners turned down her request to take more than the standard 45- minutes in breaks during the exam. She said that if she does not nurse her 4-month-old daughter or pump breast milk every few hours she risks medical complications.

Whatever, lady....you decided to have the baby. Deal with it.

294 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:06:11am

re: #292 grayp

In a manner of speaking. Charles hauled out the banning stick - clubbed 3 I believe.

Really?

Do tell.

295 Aladin Sane  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:06:33am

re: #292 grayp

In a manner of speaking. Charles hauled out the banning stick - clubbed 3 I believe.

Anyone we know?

296 looking closely  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:07:04am

The problem with polygamy:

Ouchie.

297 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:07:16am

re: #290 Geepers

"One of the crews I trained in Iraq later told me they used a .50 cal M2 to kill an insurgent with just a single shot taken at 2,300 meters. They hit him in the head from 1.4 miles away with the first round."

Whoa.

CROWS crews - I like that.

298 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:08:20am

re: #296 looking closely

The problem with polygamy:

Ouchie.

Lorena Bobbit must be proud...

299 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:08:33am

Weather Update Quickie


No threat ever to US, as it drifts S or SW, but Tropical Depression #13L looking good, should be Tropical Storm Lorenzo later this morning.

Canadian shows disturbed weather in South Florida becoming a hurricane and hitting Cape Hatteras, but I don't accept that solution yet. US model recurves Tropical Storm Karen out to sea, but a few foreign models take it Northwest, then bend it back West towards the mid-Atlantic. And the GFS and Euro both agree the disturbance near Puerto Rico, while not developing next 3 or 4 days, may try to develop as it approaches South Florida.


Looks like temps in excess of 80° (27° C) for NYC and BOS today. Joe Bastardi was hoping BOS breaks their all time record for temperature in Autumn (forget what it is, low 90s, IIRC) but it looks like that is a bit too much to ask for.

Those warm temps in the Northeast may support strong thunderstorms as a cool front moves in, and The Storm Prediction Center has the Northeast away from the coast in a SLIGHT RISK area

300 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:10:14am

Preschool’s rabbit stolen in anti-circus protest

Fliers left in Sugar Bunny’s cage express outrage against Ringling Brothers

SPOKANE, Wash. - A pet rabbit named Sugar Bunny was stolen from a preschool and fliers protesting circus animal acts were left in its empty cage.

The preschool’s children gathered in a circle Monday to remember Sugar Bunny.

“We talked about how some people have different ideas about animals,” said teacher Lori Peters. “Some people don’t think they should be in cages.”
Sugar Bunny vanished from the Community Building Children’s Center on Saturday, teachers said.

“Somebody stoled him,” 5-year-old Zion told The Spokesman-Review, which gave only the first names of him and other children in a report on the heist. “I’m sad.”

The fliers expressed protests against the Ringling Brothers Circus, which was in town during the weekend, and had a picture of a bear trying to escape from a cage. The fliers bore the names of People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals and the Northwest Animal Rights Network.

Daphna Nachminovitch, director of PETA’s domestic animal department, said the group would not endorse stealing a pet bunny.

“Just like dogs and cats, (rabbits) have been domesticated, so we encourage people who have the knowledge and ability to adopt rabbits from their local shelters,” Nachminovitch said.

It’s unclear if the preschool will find a new pet, Peters said.

[Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

301 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:11:27am

re: #300 Peacekeeper

PK!

A pet rabbit named Sugar Bunny

I get that all the time...

302 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:11:54am

re: #294 loppyd


Do tell.

Charles weighs in at about comment #18.

303 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:12:33am
304 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:13:18am

I'm glad your safe Lopps

305 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:13:31am

Good Morning Lizards.

Sport Nerd Corner:

Blackhawks owner dies

CHICAGO---- William Wirtz, owner of the Chicago Blackhawks for more than four decades, died Wednesday at age 77.

First, condolences to the Wirtz family for their loss.

Second, I predict that the Blackhawks, long an embarassment, a trainwreck, and doormat in the NHL, will soon be back in the playoffs in the league. Wirtz never progressed past the 1960's in how he ran the team. How bad was it?

the Blackhawks have made just four playoff appearances -- only two since 1997.

The Blackhawks haven't played in the Stanley Cup finals in 15 years. As a result, the Blackhawks -- one of the six original NHL teams -- averaged about 12,700 fans per game in an arena that seats 20,500.

You have to understand that in the NHL is is real hard to not make the playoffs, so that tells you how bad the team has been year in and year out. And I can also tell you for personal observation that most of the supposed 12,700 fans per game were corporate box seats that were empty. There were many a home game with less than 5,000 in attendance. The joke around Chicago was somebody left 2 Blackhawks tickets sitting out on their desk, and came back to find 6. I actually won 4 tickets to a game a few years ago in a fund raiser door prize drawing, could not make it to the game, and could not give the tickets away for free.

Wirtz refused to televise home games, so after the years went by nobody cared about them anymore, and for good reason. They were awful.

There is just no way that the inheriting offispring can screw this team up any worse. It can only get better from here for Blackhawks fans.

306 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:14:08am

Get the ACLU Out of Our Bathrooms

The ACLU has a long history of vigorously defending the right to privacy -- including the right to reproductive freedom," the organization told the Supreme Court last year in a brief arguing that partial-birth abortion is a constitutional right.

But two recent court cases demonstrate there is at least one place where the ACLU rejects the right to privacy -- at least for certain classes of people. It is in the bathroom.

Last week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit upheld a decision by U.S. District Judge David Sam, who spurned the ACLU's claim that an anatomical male had a right to use women's restrooms.

Krsytal Etsitty, the plaintiff, had described herself, according to Judge Sam's opinion, as a "pre-operative transsexual." In 1999, Etsitty changed his name from Michael to Krystal and the sex designation on his driver's license from male to female. He took hormones that altered his "outward appearance in some ways." But he did not change his anatomy.


==================================================

Etsitty informed her supervisors, according to the court, "that she had some kind of written direction that required that she use female restrooms." The supervisors told Etsitty "they were concerned about potential liability from co-workers, customers and the general public as a result of plaintiff, a biological male, using female restrooms." The company let her go, notifying her, as reported by Findlaw, that she would be eligible for rehiring "once she completed the surgery."

Etsitty sued, citing a federal law that bans discrimination based on "sex."

In the ACLU's view, not only was Etsitty's anatomy irrelevant, so, too, was the right to privacy of anyone who happened to be in a women's room Etsitty might use. "(N)o court has ever held that there is any legal right to privacy that would be violated simply by permitting a transgender person to use a public bathroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity," said the ACLU.

307 looking closely  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:14:36am

re: #293 loppyd

Breast-Feeding Mom Appeals Decision

Woman Wants Extra Break Time During Exam

BOSTON -- A Harvard student who was denied extra break time during a nine-hour medical exam to pump breast milk returned to court Tuesday.

NewsCenter 5's Shiba Russell reported that Sophie Currier, 33, sued after the National Board of Medical Examiners turned down her request to take more than the standard 45- minutes in breaks during the exam. She said that if she does not nurse her 4-month-old daughter or pump breast milk every few hours she risks medical complications.

Whatever, lady....you decided to have the baby. Deal with it.


You can't fault her for asking, but there is a reason people take time off for maternity. This is one of the biggest.

There are ways to get around this without lawsuits or changing the exam rules.

She can opt to take that exam at a different time (ie when her kid is older), or she can refrigerate a lot of breast milk and find a babysitter to watch her baby and feed it during business hours for two days.

308 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:16:15am

{ChicagoBlue} Morning!

Anyone see realwest today?

309 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:16:27am

grayp (#302),

Also cbinflux and Jakester got the stick.

310 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:16:55am

re: #282 MattMacD

atheist

or not...

At least someone is pointing out that islam gets a pass, where other religions do not.

311 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:17:23am

Wow...the BBC is getting their American response of little Hitler's speech from the members of the sewer...

The BBC Radio Tunes into Dailykos

I know because I received this email yesterday.

Hello,

I work for the BBC World Service radio programme World Have Your Say. I was interested to read your comments on Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's visit to Columbia University. We're doing a programme today asking listeners the question "does freedom of speech end with denial of the Holocaust?" and I wondered if you might be interested in taking part. If so, do please contact me at this email or on 00 44 207 557 2257.

If you email me your phone number we'll try to get to you - although we might have too many callers by this stage. Do check out our blog though! We're on air in 45 minutes.

[Link: www.bbc.co.uk...]

Many thanks

Alex McRae

312 looking closely  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:17:31am

re: #300 Peacekeeper

Preschool’s rabbit stolen in anti-circus protest

Fliers left in Sugar Bunny’s cage express outrage against Ringling Brothers


Dumb@#$$.

I had a pet bunny when I was a small kid and domesticated rabbits don't last long in the wild (ie they make an easy lunch for predators).

So by "freeing" this rabbit, the "protestors" probably killed it.

313 looking closely  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:19:18am

re: #306 TimeQuake

Get the ACLU Out of Our Bathrooms
"(N)o court has ever held that there is any legal right to privacy that would be violated simply by permitting a transgender person to use a public bathroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity," said the ACLU.


Not yet. . .

314 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:19:38am

Morning all...

Well, my beloved New york Metropolitans are sure making their case to fire Willie Randolph, break up the team and start over...

They don't belong in the 2007 MLB Playoffs... They've acted all season like it's entitled to them and now it is biting them in the butt... Good...

In other news, goodbye Dinnerjacket, get out, we'll see you when we arrest you...

315 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:19:46am

re: #306 TimeQuake

Get the ACLU Out of Our Bathrooms

The ACLU has a long history of vigorously defending the right to privacy -- including the right to reproductive freedom," the organization told the Supreme Court last year in a brief arguing that partial-birth abortion is a constitutional right.

But two recent court cases demonstrate there is at least one place where the ACLU rejects the right to privacy -- at least for certain classes of people. It is in the bathroom.

Last week, the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 10th Circuit upheld a decision by U.S. District Judge David Sam, who spurned the ACLU's claim that an anatomical male had a right to use women's restrooms.

Krsytal Etsitty, the plaintiff, had described herself, according to Judge Sam's opinion, as a "pre-operative transsexual." In 1999, Etsitty changed his name from Michael to Krystal and the sex designation on his driver's license from male to female. He took hormones that altered his "outward appearance in some ways." But he did not change his anatomy.


======================================== ==========
Etsitty informed her supervisors, according to the court, "that she had some kind of written direction that required that she use female restrooms." The supervisors told Etsitty "they were concerned about potential liability from co-workers, customers and the general public as a result of plaintiff, a biological male, using female restrooms." The company let her go, notifying her, as reported by Findlaw, that she would be eligible for rehiring "once she completed the surgery."Etsitty sued, citing a federal law that bans discrimination based on "sex."

In the ACLU's view, not only was Etsitty's anatomy irrelevant, so, too, was the right to privacy of anyone who happened to be in a women's room Etsitty might use. "(N)o court has ever held that there is any legal right to privacy that would be violated simply by permitting a transgender person to use a public bathroom that corresponds to his or her gender identity," said the ACLU.

So the Mullah's know for sure that some people in the US are certifiable.

316 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:19:48am
45 Charles 9/25/07 3:43:28 pm reply quote report 3

And by the way, they're trashing zombie over there now, too.

Why the hell would they do that?....they are really sick people.

317 looking closely  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:20:28am

re: #298 loppyd

re: #296 looking closely

The problem with polygamy:

Ouchie.

Lorena Bobbit must be proud...

Did you note the (utterly unrelated, but probably not coincidental) picture of the person chopping meat on the left of the story?

318 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:20:34am

Fear not, Coz.

319 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:21:08am

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Yesterday's stink is still present, though febreze might take some of the edge off Ahmadinejad's presence. Well, that and a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

Norman Hsu should be a bigger problem for Hillary than has been assumed til now. He was far more closely aligned with the campaign and was apparently directing money to candidates around the country that were supporting her campaign. For those that forget, Hsu is a convicted felon in California, who is now up on multiple charges in multiple states for running Ponzi schemes and other shady schemes to bundle money for Democratic party candidates.

320 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:21:17am

re: #309 Geepers

cbinflux got the stick? Where? On that same thread?

321 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:21:23am
54 zombie 9/25/07 3:47:19 pm reply quote report 2

re: #18 Charles

The people at GCP are now spreading their obsessive vendetta at Free Republic

I plan to spend zero mind-minutes on that topic. I have no idea what the fracas is about, and I count myself lucky in my ignorance.

I will spend all my energy moving forward, achieving goals, and none going backward, rehashing (or even becoming aware of) other people's incomprehensible obsessions.

The way people spend their time amazes me.

Good for you....but...they are sick.

322 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:21:32am

re: #311 NJDhockeyfan

Hey how come the BBC doesn't troll here at LGF for callers? /s

323 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:22:36am

What George Soros money buys:

OSI also gave cash to other radicals who pressured the Transportation Security Administration to scrap a program called "Secure Flight," which matched flight passenger lists with terrorist names. It gave more cash to other left-wing lawyers who persuaded a Texas judge to block cell phone tracking of terrorists.

They trumpeted this as a victory for civil liberties. Feel safer?

324 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:22:51am

re: #319 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Yesterday's stink is still present, though febreze might take some of the edge off Ahmadinejad's presence. Well, that and a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

Norman Hsu should be a bigger problem for Hillary than has been assumed til now. He was far more closely aligned with the campaign and was apparently directing money to candidates around the country that were supporting her campaign. For those that forget, Hsu is a convicted felon in California, who is now up on multiple charges in multiple states for running Ponzi schemes and other shady schemes to bundle money for Democratic party candidates.

It's that Clinton Karma - Blowback's a Bee

325 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:22:57am

re: #302 grayp

re: #294 loppyd


Do tell.

Charles weighs in at about comment #18.

Wow.

I had no idea...I don't have a 'puter at home so anything that happens
after 5:00 EST is lost on me.

326 DistantThunder  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:24:13am

re: #323 FrogMarch

What George Soros money buys:

OSI also gave cash to other radicals who pressured the Transportation Security Administration to scrap a program called "Secure Flight," which matched flight passenger lists with terrorist names. It gave more cash to other left-wing lawyers who persuaded a Texas judge to block cell phone tracking of terrorists.

They trumpeted this as a victory for civil liberties. Feel safer?


Democrats are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat faster than we can bail.

327 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:24:26am
328 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:25:15am

re: #307 looking closely

She can opt to take that exam at a different time (ie when her kid is older), or she can refrigerate a lot of breast milk and find a babysitter to watch her baby and feed it during business hours for two days.

She is saying she will be in too much pain from not pumping during the exam.

I agree she should take the exam at a later date.

329 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:25:46am

re: #84 song_and_dance_man

Does this guy always skip town about the time he's getting called? I hit the guy with a link three times yesterday, and he's always one step ahead.

Also noticed while doing some slumming yesterday that he got an 18 point NIC header at one of the dives that needs constant dissing, even if it's only subtle.

Had a disagreement with him last friday or saturday, asked for link (which he finally provided), and when I found fault with it, I'm all of a sudden the BadBoy and I'm dissing my brothers!

Oh yah - Good morning...

330 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:25:55am

re: #309 Geepers

I don't know who got it - Charles didn't say other than that is involved the kids AtS.

#316 Storage

Why the hell would they do that?....they are really sick people.

My guess it has something to do with Zombie's role researching the LGF dictionary - but that's only a guess

331 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:26:01am
Jerseyan, I'm used to strange goings-on in my state's government. But I was shocked and surprised to I learn that John L. Esposito will be a featured speaker at next week's state Department of Homeland Security confernce on counterterrorism.

Esposito teaches at Georgetown University in its His Royal Highness Prince Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding. To get a sense of the center's purpose, recall that bin Talal is the Saudi prince who shortly after 9/11 blamed the attacks on U.S. Mideast policy (prompting then-Mayor Rudy Giuliani to throw the prince's $10 million gift to the city back in his face).

Esposito finds time to appear around the country at events sponsored by the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) - helping the group raise funds to explain that the real problem fronting us today is less a clash of cultures than a clash of Islam with American foreign policy. The Esposito-CAIR position is that Americans constantly ask Muslims to understand them without scrutinizing our own actions.

CAIR, by the way, is an unindicted co-conspirator in the trial against the Holy Land Foundation, which stands accused of diverting over $12 million of charitable contributions to the terrorist group Hamas. Esposito has spoken at fund-raisers for Holy Land's defense, and praised its work.

If we judge someone by the company he keeps, Esposito could do better - for at a CAIR gathering in Dallas, Esposito described Sami Al-Arian as "a very good friend of mine." Al-Arian is the Palestinian professor who pleaded guilty last year to conspiring to provide money to Palestinian Islamic Jihad - the group responsible for the 1995 bus-bombing murder of my daughter Alisa and seven others.


[Link: ummahnewslinks.com...]

332 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:26:18am

re: #319 lawhawk

For those that forget, Hsu is a convicted felon in California, who is now up on multiple charges in multiple states for running Ponzi schemes and other shady schemes to bundle money for Democratic party candidates.

And the MSM is really helping out on us "forgetting".

I still am flabbergasted by that $850,000.00 figure for Shrillary!

333 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:26:36am

re: #319 lawhawk

Greets and saluts from the NYC metro area. Yesterday's stink is still present, though febreze might take some of the edge off Ahmadinejad's presence. Well, that and a pair of pliers and a blowtorch.

Norman Hsu should be a bigger problem for Hillary than has been assumed til now. He was far more closely aligned with the campaign and was apparently directing money to candidates around the country that were supporting her campaign. For those that forget, Hsu is a convicted felon in California, who is now up on multiple charges in multiple states for running Ponzi schemes and other shady schemes to bundle money for Democratic party candidates.

You mean to tell me that the Clintons are connected to corrupt money schemes and mob behavior?! I don't believe it! I won't believe it! Even if I do believe it --- I won't report it!

/MSM and bad faith ideologues

334 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:26:55am

re: #317 looking closely

re: #298 loppyd

re: #296 looking closely

The problem with polygamy:

Ouchie.

Lorena Bobbit must be proud...

Did
you note the (utterly unrelated, but probably not coincidental) picture
of the person chopping meat on the left of the story?

YES!

335 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:27:10am
336 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:27:16am

re: #317 looking closely

re: #298 loppyd


re: #296 looking closely

The problem with polygamy:

Ouchie.


Lorena Bobbit must be proud...

Did you note the (utterly unrelated, but probably not coincidental) picture of the person chopping meat on the left of the story?

HA! Your nic is very appropriate!

337 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:27:36am

re: #319 lawhawk

Shrillary is like teflon... No way will she ever get in trouble for this...

She ALWAYS comes out smelling like a rose.

338 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:29:10am

Wow, this post has started to get busy again. I don't really understand what is going on over at GCP. I think they are trolling for attention to elevate their 96 registered users.

339 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:29:14am
Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez reported Tuesday that he would travel to Saudi Arabia to "defend oil prices" at the Third Summit of the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) and forecast again that the oil barrel would hit USD 100, Efe quoted.

"One hundred dollars, there we go. I am positive that oil prices will not fall down. We will take care of it, and over the next few weeks I will be in Saudi Arabia," said Chavez during a speech on TV.

The OPEC summit will be held on November 17-18. One of its purposes is "to defend, to strengthen oil prices. Therefore, we must be united, because eight years ago we were divided," said the Venezuelan president.

"Arabs were on the one side, Persians on the other side, arguing with each other. Venezuela, for its part, was subordinate to the United States and, sure enough, just because OPEC was split, it did not worth a cent

."
[Link: ummahnewslinks.com...]

340 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:30:04am
341 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:30:16am

Can left-wingers drop any lower?

When my children are grown, I can tell them where I was when bloodthirsty Iranian thug-in-chief Mahmoud Ahmadinejad dared to disgrace Columbia University with his presence. I was standing with Jewish leaders, Iranian-American dissidents, World War II veterans and other concerned citizens, young and old, taking a stand against evil outside the campus gates.

Banafsheh Zand-Bonazzi, an Iranian-born activist whose dissident journalist father is jailed in her homeland, was appalled at the ignorance and moral equivalence of the leftists who paraded in front of the TV cameras with their Bush-is-a-terrorist paraphernalia. A few goons held a large banner that read: "Ahmadinejad is bad. Bush is worse."

[Link: www.gopusa.com...]

342 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:30:52am

Miss Trixie!

Did you see this?

Mexicans in Canada are America's Fault

Maybe you guys should build a wall?

343 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:30:54am

re: #338 mrshankly01

Wow, this post has started to get busy again. I don't really understand what is going on over at GCP. I think they are trolling for attention to elevate their 96 registered users.

They had a surge the other day....seven on line!

344 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:31:00am

re: #338 mrshankly01

Forget 'em. Their interest is not in civil discourse and reasoned disagreement.

Hate and seeds of discontent come to mind.

345 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:31:52am

re: #341 FrogMarch

Oh, every time we say that they can't, they prove us wrong.

346 friarstale  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:32:38am

y'know, NYC wants to ban the words "ho" and "bitch"

so here's the state of the world:

There are no gays in Iran
There are no terrorists in Australia
and
There are no hos in New York City
[Link: cruxy.com...]

347 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:04am

re: #346 friarstale

Gays in Iran are hung.
Terrorists in Australia are defended by the public.
Ho's in New York City are elected to be a state Senator.

:-X

348 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:12am

re: #343 storagemanager

haha

349 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:16am

re: #339 storagemanager


Oil at $100 is entirely possible.

350 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:18am

re: #326 DistantThunder

Democrats are drilling holes in the bottom of the boat faster than we can bail.

But the precious left-wingers are afraid that Cheney is listening in on their paranoid drug-induced phone conversations. ...buying more pot with speed dial is like... a right, man. "There is no terrorist threat".

351 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:27am

Loppy that whole phenom is some wierd sh*t.

352 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:34:37am
353 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:35:18am

I see where Katie has dictated for all of us dummies that the Iraq war has now been deemed a mistake by everyone.

Katie also stated for all of us dummies that the debate over global warming is now over a few months back, and when I listened to her she used James Hansen's name to verify this.

Ironically, on the same day Queen Katie judged the Iraq War a mistake for America, we find James Hansen on the George Soros payroll.

I used to question this woman's sanity and thought her one of the tools of the lefty tirades. Now, I think I have figured out her real problem. Stupidity.

354 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:35:18am

re: #290 Geepers

New meaning to the term: reach out and touch someone.

355 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:35:55am

re: #343 storagemanager
Gah. Let's not talk about it. Leave them in peace.

356 friarstale  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:35:58am

UN-Necessary
[Link: www.aish.com...]
from aish.com

357 Dirk Diggler  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:36:13am
They had a surge the other day....seven on line!

They love you over there, storagemanager. As a matter of fact, you've even been called mentally unstable by Rayra.

There's a delicious irony to that.

358 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:36:49am

re: #340 taxfreekiller

ya, but, being a person who has to buy a rose from time to time to get out of trouble, a rose grows old fast, and an old rose smells like crap

LOL, they do stink, for sure!

Good Morning Peacekeeper!

359 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:37:23am

re: #353 goodbye_natalie


we find James Hansen on the George Soros payroll.

WHAT?!

got a link? I'm collecting this stuff.

360 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:37:42am

re: #359 grayp

yea, i would like to see that.

361 iraqihere  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:37:47am

re: #33 new2thezoo

Exactly right, this is the truth that many in the sane world ignore today. Iran policy works through this belief. I read some books written by shiite scholars (since I was shiite), and many of these books sponsored by Iranian government, they have conflicting views about Mahdi what he will do and where, so Iranians want to portray Iran as a key player in that, so they were spending time publishing books about the importance of Iran, they even said he (the invisible man) might appear there. But one of the interesting things they say, is that Iraq will be in chaos when Mahdi appears, and Iran will have trouble with the world, obviously they are pushing for that. then a person called Sufyani comes from the west side (they usually say he is from syria/jordan) and invade Iraq, but the Iranians comes and invade back and they win in 2-3 weeks (maybe they think now Sufyani is the US, and the 2-3 weeks is 5 years?). They also predict a big destructive war between Iran and a super power, that even they will replace their leader, but later win. or Mahdi appears with his magic wand, unfortunately we know he is Harry Poter and he is Brit.

Well you see, they keep changing the story.

I read a book written by Lebanese Mullah, he is lover of Iran, the version I read was back in 1980s, obviously Iranians were expecting these events to happen during the iraqi-iranian war, he expected Iraq to lose, and becomes chaos, and Iran going to invade in short period. which all never happened, and maybe that explain why Khomainy wanted to drink the poison when he found out he was stupid all that 80 years or so.

These people are truly mad, but mad with weapons are so dangerous and hazardous . They must be stopped and toppled, no negotiations only with sane people which obviously they are not part of the sane world. They want the war, give it to them. The war was due in 1979-80, 27 years past too late. Thanks to Carter, Mario was smarter than him.

Ah I remember also someone shiite Iraqi I met who believes Bush and Americans went to Iraq because they were looking for the Mahdi not the WMD. lol, Well you know, America can't make such a mistake about WMD, so must be a religious conspiracy.

362 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:38:20am

re: #350 FrogMarch

That is a common thread on the left: We are losing our Rights!

Yet, when you ask, specificially, which rights they've lost, they rant about a loss of privacy and a loss of freedom of speech.

As they rant about all the minute private details of their lives on a free and public blog. (making publictheir whole lives USING their freedom of speech)

They are idiots and needs to be laughed at as such.... for their idiocy is not based on a phsyiological mental issue, but one of willful stupidity.

Point at them and, loudly, laugh.

363 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:38:26am

Miss Trixie, I just told real to get his butt over here for you.........

364 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:38:27am

re: #339 storagemanager

Chavez is a VERY evil man...

365 grumpy old codger  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:40:03am

re: #155 littleoldlady
What's her preference? Would you consider a religious school? What will she major in?

366 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:40:37am

Buenos Dias Chica!

367 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:40:48am

re: #358 ChicagoBlue

I prefer Peonies to roses for Looks and fragrance. But in Hildabob's case, they'd be Pee-on-me(s) we be gettin.

368 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:41:17am
An Egyptian court has extended the jail term of two Christian human right activists who were arrested and imprisoned on charges of defamimg Islam last month, a member of a Christian group said on Wednesday.

The human right activists, Adel Fawzy Faltas and Peter Ezzat, have been in jail since August 8 for defaming Islam, Wajih Yakub, a member of the Middle East Christians Association (MECA), told Deutsche Presse-Agentur dpa.

A state security court on September 20 extended their jail term for 15 more days, according to Yakub.

Faltas and Ezzat, who are members of the Canada-based association, have been accused by Egypt's state security prosecutors of threatening social peace by propagating anti-Islamic material.

[Link: www.digitaljournal.com...]

369 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:41:40am

re: #361 iraqihere

hey there! The Financial Times reported last week that Khatami is thinking about running again in Iran. Any thoughts on what that would mean for relations w/Iraq if he got in?

370 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:42:04am

re: #310 TimeQuake

re: #282 MattMacD

atheist

or not...

At least someone is pointing out that islam gets a pass, where other religions do not.

I meant "do they really think that helps their cause?" in regards to the gay people intentionally pissing off christians.

371 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:43:32am

re: #368 storagemanager


And if I can find some fault w/Bush's speech yesterday, it would be that in the list of repressive regimes he cited, Egypt wasn't on it.

372 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:44:06am

re: #319 lawhawk


I heard Sam Donaldson on WABC Radio yesterday morning.

He kept brushing off the Hsu issue, including Hillary now saying that candidates should be publicly funded as a "minor issue."

Then when off on a rant over how "pathetic" Rudy is because of a staged phone call.

She'll never go down for the count. The MSM is in the tank for her.

373 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:44:28am

Well Jakester got it for this:

Personally, I'm glad there is a strong pro Israeli lobby. It's seems that Charles is more paranoid than a Holocaust survivor. Charles is just doing his usual right wing, politically correct calling someone an anti-semite denunciation of AP, just like Al Sharpton calling someone a racist.

He's been long past his due.

cbinflux here (you have to check the comments to understand it wasn't any one thing he said.)

Followed up by Charles with this and this.

374 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:44:48am

re: #370 MattMacD

Misunderstood your reply.

Agreed. But it is San Francisco. We'll have to wait and see if this goes on or not. Probably will anyway.

375 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:46:45am

Good Morning from the Land of Coz!

376 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:47:09am

The Soros Threat To Democracy

How many people, for instance, know that James Hansen, a man billed as a lonely "NASA whistleblower" standing up to the mighty U.S. government, was really funded by Soros' Open Society Institute , which gave him "legal and media advice"?

That's right, Hansen was packaged for the media by Soros' flagship "philanthropy," by as much as $720,000, most likely under the OSI's "politicization of science" program.

377 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:47:14am

re: #330 grayp


Got your email.

Working on it.

378 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:47:22am

Morning, folks. I have a question:

Has anyone here had any experience with allergies to contacts or contact solutions? I've had to stop wearing mine, and I'm trying to gather more data before I go in to my eye doctor, which I will do. And no, I don't have the contacts in today, so there is no need to panic or warn me about damaging my eyes. (Gosh, y'all love me so much!)

379 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:48:00am

The world we live in

...........A disbarred lawyer convicted of aiding terrorists will be teaching at an upcoming law school ethics conference.

Lynne Stewart, who was found guilty of conspiring with terrorist Sheikh Omar Abdel Rahman, will be speaking October 16 at Hofstra Law School’s “Legal Ethics: Lawyering on the Edge,” in Hempstead, New York.

The speaking engagement comes only a year after Stewart was sentenced to twenty-eight months in prison on charges of conspiracy and providing material support to terrorists.

[Link: michellemalkin.com...]

380 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:48:46am

BEN HUR!

3

381 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:49:27am

re: #352 taxfreekiller


The loon liberals will in time assist the little dinner jacket bring shaped charge IED's into America to be used to blow up school bus's, ya they
will sink into hell itself in time, its the path they are on now.


That about says it all.

Good post, preach it.

382 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:49:47am

Word of the Day
Wednesday September 26, 2007

factotum fak-TOH-tuhm, noun:
A person employed to do all kinds of work or business.

383 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:50:09am

lawhawk (#354),

New meaning to the term: reach out and touch someone.

Long distance rates are cheaper than ever. ;-)

384 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:50:17am

re: #382 coz

That's ME!

385 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:50:19am

re: #378 vxbush

there were some recalls of contact solutions a while back. also, you might need sensitive eye solution. i don't remember what makes the solution for sensitive eyes, but my mother uses them because the other kind bothers her eyes.

386 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:50:27am

re: #373 Geepers

I think the Jakester had been sneaking in posting under the radar taking pot shots at Charles and LGF for quite sometime. I seem to remember other atrocities posted from the Jakester, who reminded me of a PuffHo type, but there's so many members anymore, I may be confusing old Jake with somebody else.

Actually, Charles patience is longer than mine. But it does appear to be getting smaller...

387 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:50:49am

re: #379 storagemanager

Moral equivalence.

388 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:51:12am
Euro hits another record high against dollar

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

389 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:51:18am

Well good morining Y'all - from a delightful (64 degrees, going up to 92 degrees) sunny and Carolina Blue skied Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?

390 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:51:19am

More Swastikas Found in Brooklyn Heights

The NYPD's Hate Crime Unit is investigating numerous instances of anti-Semitic vandalism in Brooklyn Heights. Monday evening, swastikas were found painted on two synagogues, three buildings, and two cars, but by yesterday afternoon, over a dozen other markings were discovered (one brownstone also had an SS logo painted on it), as well as flyers with swastikas and slurs on cars' windshields.

Remsen, Columbia, and Joralemon Streets, the Palmetto Playground and Sidney Place were vandalized. The NY Times reports that over 20 detectives are assigned to the case and the NYPD's spokesman Paul Browne said, "The intensity and the number of incidents in a relatively small area on the Jewish holidays all combined to cause us to assign significant resources to the case."

Some rabbis and local politicians believe that Iranian leader and Holocaust denier Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's presence in NY could have something to do with the incidents: Rabbi Aaron Raskin of Congregation B'nai Avraham, where a swastika was found on the steps, told the Sun, "I think the president of Iran arriving to New York spurred these hatemongers to come out of the closet."

One shocked resident told the Daily News, "This is a neighborhood of dialogue, of mosques, synagogues and churches. That makes it even more sad." Other anti-Semitic acts of vandalism have also recently taken place in Long Island and New Jersey, where a swastika was cut into a field.

391 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:52:15am

Red meat time:

Michael Bloomberg compares the US situation in Iraq to the British during the Revolutionary War. He's now firmly putting himself in the Michael Moore minutemen meme camp.

In his most detailed comments on the Iraq war, Mayor Bloomberg last night suggested the United States was in the same difficult position as the British in the Revolutionary War - facing a determined band of insurgents.

Bloomberg said the comparison occurred to him when he visited his mother recently and was driving through Lexington, Mass., where a scrubby group of farmers rose up against a well-trained militia more than 200 years ago.

"We're the British," the mayor said during an interview with Tom Brokaw at Cooper Union, part of a series featuring potential presidential contenders hosted by former Gov. Mario Cuomo.

"I'm not suggesting the motives are the same. But I'm just pointing out that this was an insurgent kind of attack on trained, disciplined, uniformed soldiers who fought in a rigorously planned way. And we're trying to adjust to that."

Bloomberg called on the press to demand more detailed answers from the presidential candidates on a wide range of issues, including Iraq. But he readily admitted, "I don't know the solution more than anyone else."

Bloomberg couldn't be more hopelessly wrong. The US is working with the Iraqi government to pacify insurgents and terrorists operating in Iraq - insurgents who are remnants of the prior deposed Ba'athist regime that killed hundreds of thousands and who launched multiple wars that killed a million more (alas that reduces those facts to mere statistics). Bloomberg is wrong on a fundamental level. He simply doesn't get it - or worse- thinks that we're the bad guys in Iraq but can't say it outright.

392 FrogMarch  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:52:32am

re: #346 friarstale

Priorities.

Left-wingers have priorities. Hillary got rid of Imus via her baby "Media Matters" and now the left-wing word-police are emboldened.

The left-winger is not concerned about the women in Iran who are buried alive and then stoned to death. or gays who are given a choice on how to die. The left-wingers think that George Bush is equivalent - and somehow that gives the left-wingers a free pass to act like totalitarian idiots.

393 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:52:32am

re: #385 mrshankly01

re: #378 vxbush

there were some recalls of contact solutions a while back. also, you might need sensitive eye solution. i don't remember what makes the solution for sensitive eyes, but my mother uses them because the other kind bothers her eyes.

Was it just irritation to the eyes, or do you know?

I tried a fresh pair of contacts and a sensitive eye solution, but the results haven't been encouraging--hence the reason why I'm wearing glasses for the last week.

394 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:52:49am

re: #378 vxbush

vxbush,

I wear contacts and every once and a while, allergies maybe idk, I have to give my eyes a break. It has gotten much better since I switched to the disposable kind where when my eyes start to get irritated I throw out the lenses and put in a new pair. I also take them out regardless every night. (The contacts not my eyes)

395 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:52:57am

re: #379 storagemanager

The world we live in

396 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:53:32am

re: #378 vxbush

Probably not related, but this has been an ongoing problem.

Will tell you this as a long type hydrophilic contact wearer. I may use the solutions to soak the contacts because of the protease to remove proteins, but I still use a saline solution to rinse them even if the manufacturer says it is not necessary.

397 Peacekeeper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:54:28am

re: #391 lawhawk

Bloomberg=Bloombat

398 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:54:30am

re: #389 realwest

Morning Real my friend. Hope the tooth is all better today!

Top

399 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:54:46am

re: #394 coz

But I'm assuming you can wear your contacts for more than two days. I have disposables, too.

I take mine out every night, and I can in theory wear a pair for two weeks, but two days is my limit now. So I'm trying to understand the types of problems that can occur.

400 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:54:49am

re: #377 3 wood


Thanks - I hope it was moderately intelligable.

vxbush, there have been reports of a fungal infection from a Bausch & Lomb brand - attributed to misuse by the users (improper cleaning, etc.), but still.

also, goodbye_natalie, thank you, bookmarked.

401 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:55:12am

Anybody hungry for some facts:

(really lame pun)

Milk chocolate was invented by Daniel Peter, who sold the concept to his neighbour Henri Nestlé.

An ounce of chocolate contains about 20 mg of caffeine.

Forks, mostly being two-tined, used to known as "split spoons."

TIP is the acronym for "To Insure Promptness."

The world's oldest existing eatery opened in Kai-Feng, China in 1153.

Coffee is the seed of a cherry from the tree genus Coffea

Melba toast is named after Australian opera singer Dame Nellie Melba (1861-1931).

Three quarters of fish caught are eaten - the rest is used to make things such as glue, soap, margarine and fertilizer.

402 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:55:18am

re: #396 goodbye_natalie

Can you give supporting reasons why you do this extra rinse?

403 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:55:42am

re: #394 coz Hey coz! How's things in cozland today?

404 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:56:01am
So what can we do to keep Iran off the Security Council? Unfortunately there isn’t much we can do, as long as the General Assembly remains a captive of the Organization of Islamic Conference and its anti-American allies. We could try to challenge Iran’s election before the International Court of Justice, but that is a long shot at best.


So we are left with the choice of either tolerating two years of Iran’s obstructionism once it begins its term on the Security Council or breaking our ties with the dysfunctional United Nations in protest once and for all. Withdrawal would be the only principled course at that point. Let the Islamo-fascists use their own petrodollars to pay for their follies rather than continue to bleed American taxpayers. As a dividend, we would not have to endure the annual visits on our soil from the world’s vilest leaders such as Ahmadinejad, who is currently protected under diplomatic immunity and our host country treaty with the UN from the arrest that he deserves for his complicity in terrorist acts and the seizing of American hostages.


[Link: frontpagemag.com...]

405 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:56:50am

Hillary Clinton 'could cost Democrats dear'

The poll found that Mrs Clinton, in particular, could damage the chances of congressional Democratic candidates on the ballot. The sensitivity of the issue was underlined by the reluctance of Democrats to discuss the survey.

"We're not commenting on this poll," said Daniel Gotoff, co-author of the memo accompanying the Lake Research poll. "It was leaked and obviously not by us."

But Andy Arnold, a Democratic chairman in Greenville, South Carolina - a key primary state - said: "I'd be a little bit dishonest if I didn't admit that in some parts of the country, and probably my own, having Hillary Clinton at the top of the ticket will have some impact further down.

"People have that concern and are voicing it. The thing with Hillary is that most people have their minds made up. There's a fundamentalist crowd who have an inordinate obsession with things sexual and what happened [during Bill Clinton's administration] played into that."

He added, however, that "whoever we nominate, the right-wing attack machine will make them into the devil by November 2008".

406 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:56:50am

re: #399 vxbush

sorry, that's all I got. I have no idea what else might be causing problems.

i wish i could get lasec(sp?) done.

407 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:57:16am

re: #389 realwest


Morning pal. Hope you and Mom are doing well.

408 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:58:10am

re: #398 1SG(ret) Good morning Top! Yes, tooth is temporarily in good shape!
Looks like another temp crown is in store, to be followed (once I get the bucks together) by a permanent crown)! Thanks for asking.
How's things with you and yours?

409 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:58:29am

re: #342 grayp

Miss Trixie!

Did you see this?

Mexicans in Canada are America's Fault

Maybe you guys should build a wall?

{grayp} Morning, missy! Gates of Vienna is blocked - I'll look at it from home tonight - thanks.

:)

410 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:58:31am

re: #406 coz

LASIK. And that just weirds me out. It took me a while as a teen to get used to touching my eye. Having bizarro lasers pointed into my eye? No thank you.

Oh, I'd love to be able to see without contacts or glasses considering how myopic my sight is, but LASIK goes way past my "weird sh!t-o-meter."

411 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:58:48am

re: #393 vxbush

Yea, irritation. if you already switched to sensitive eye solution, then i don't have anymore advice. i got tired of the pain and went Lasik Customview. I see 20/15 now.

412 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 6:59:43am

goodbye_natalie (#355),

Katie also stated for all of us dummies that the debate over global warming is now over a few months back, and when I listened to her she used James Hansen's name to verify this.

You'll get a laugh out of this:

NASA Scientists Predicted a New Ice Age in 1971

NASA scientist James E. Hansen, who has publicly criticized the Bush administration for dragging its feet on climate change and labeled skeptics of man-made global warming as distracting "court jesters," appears in a 1971 Washington Post article that warns of an impending ice age within 50 years.
413 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:00:12am

re: #408 realwest

Good, check your email! Hows your Mom?

Top

414 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:00:23am

realwest,

things are realgood in cozland!

how 'bout in the 'real' west?

415 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:00:49am

re: #373 Geepers

Thanks for the particulars.

416 MattMacD  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:00:57am

re: #410 vxbush

re: #406 coz

LASIK. And that just weirds me out. It took me a while as a teen to get used to touching my eye. Having bizarro lasers pointed into my eye? No thank you.

Oh, I'd love to be able to see without contacts or glasses considering how myopic my sight is, but LASIK goes way past my "weird sh!t-o-meter."

Plus, they don't know what the long term effects are... (the older technology, which we could study the effects of, being different from the newer technology (if that makes sense...)).

My wife wants laser eye surgery, but... we're gonna spend a few months researching it properly, speaking to doctors, before we decide.
Personally, I spend most of my time on my computer, and my eyesight's perfect for that (short-sighted), so I don't even bother wearing my glasses (and contacts are just too uncomfortable, unfortunately). 8D

417 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:01:07am

Oh, and I've tried Opti-Free and Clear Care solutions. Neither have helped to prevent the problems I'm having.

418 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:01:29am

re: #407 3 wood - Hey there you! Yeah, things are about as ok as they get with mom and me.
Got an oncologist's visit/treatment tomorrow for moi. Mom uses same guy, you'd think he could schedule us at the same date so we could save on making trips, but noooooo - it's entirely up to the cancer!
Well I say fuck that - who's the cancer to try to dictate, ah, um, hmmmm,
nevermind.
How are you and yours doing lately?

419 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:01:52am
Berkeley -- Nonie Darwish, October 22

Love to see that. [Link: frontpagemag.com...]

420 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:02:37am

re: #410 vxbush

re: #406 coz

LASIK. And that just weirds me out. It took me a while as a teen to get used to touching my eye. Having bizarro lasers pointed into my eye? No thank you.

Oh, I'd love to be able to see without contacts or glasses considering how myopic my sight is, but LASIK goes way past my "weird sh!t-o-meter."


All you need to do is wait until you've developed cataracts, and the very quick and very painless (but weird, since you're awake) cataract surgery will fix your eyesight.

421 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:03:12am

re: #399 vxbush

re: #394 coz

But I'm assuming you can wear your contacts for more than two days. I have disposables, too.

I take mine out every night, and I can in theory wear a pair for two weeks, but two days is my limit now. So I'm trying to understand the types of problems that can occur.


I don't know how old you are, but the same thing happened to me. As we age, our eyes get drier. Altho Restasis helped my dry eye a lot, not enough for me to continue wearing contacts.

Try some Refresh Liquigel eye drops - they're over the counter, they make your eyes feel great (not fo use w/contacts tho).

422 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:03:20am

re: #402 vxbush

Sure and it is just an opinion not based on medical research. Well, Natalie medical research.

Saline solution matches the pH of the eye and is the natural moisture. I can tell you from personal experience, that when they switched all of us from the old enzymatic cleaner to the multipurpose solution and told us rinsing wasn't necessary, it didn't make sense to me.

I don't like introducing any enzymes into my eye. Maybe I have just been lucky or are not as susceptible to eye infections as others, but for 22 years, I have never had a problem.

I also once a month use the peroxide based enzymatic cleaner like we all used to use. Proteins build up on the contacts and I'm not convinced multipurpose solutions are as effective.

I don't wear the disposables and am generally very good about never sleeping in my contacts.

423 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:03:23am

re: #418 realwest

Heh; your attitude to your cancer is kind of like my attitude with my asthma:

"No! I am not going to submit to this! I am in charge here, not my body, and I....

gahhhh....

Okay, maybe sitting down would be good."

(Of course, no real comparison between diseases here.)

424 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:03:57am

re: #375 coz

See #318

425 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:08am

Ballsy. Karnit Goldwasser directly questions Ahmadinejad at a presser over allowing the Red Cross to visit her husband who is being held by Hizbullah in Lebanon.

426 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:25am

re: #18 Buckeye Abroad

From your link,

Police examine Morocco 'photo of Madeleine' - report
1:30PM Wednesday September 26, 2007

The photo showing a girl that could be Madeleine McCann. Photo / Reuters

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Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are examining a photo that could show the British girl in Morocco, Sky News has reported.

The photo of a blonde child being carried on an elderly woman's back was taken by Spanish tourist Clara Torres in the northern Moroccan town of Zinat on August 31, the station said.

Ms Torres passed the image to Spanish police who are believed to have given it to Interpol.

Sky said Madeleine's parents had reportedly been shown the photo.

It is the fourth reported sighting in Morocco of four-year-old Madeleine since she disappeared from Portugal in May.

Morocco practiced slavery for centuries, kidnapping some 5000 Europeans every year from 1600 to 1800 until the British got fed up and did something about it. Slavery, especially of children for sex, is still common throught the Muslim world. So yes, this could well be Madeleine.

So what are the Moroccan authorities doing about it?
Why hasn't the UK gov't sent in the SAS?

427 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:28am

re: #400 grayp


Thanks - I hope it was moderately intelligable

It was. It will take a little while though to pull that data together.

428 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:31am

re: #421 grayp

I actually have Refresh already; learned about it with the son when he was first recovering from his brain injury. His eyes wouldn't tear naturally, so we had to use Refresh on him. We still use it from time to time.

Yes, it is goooooood stuff.

429 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:48am

re: #410 vxbush

re: #406 coz

LASIK. And that just weirds me out. It took me a while as a teen to get used to touching my eye. Having bizarro lasers pointed into my eye? No thank you.

Oh, I'd love to be able to see without contacts or glasses considering how myopic my sight is, but LASIK goes way past my "weird sh!t-o-meter."

I had LASIK done in August. I reccomend it highly. I didn't feel a thing and have 20/15 vision. :)

430 reine.de.tout  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:04:52am

At Michelle Malkin (and apologies to anyone who is offended by my linking to another blog):
[Link: michellemalkin.com...]
Apparently, the U.N. made a "mistake", and posted on their website the copy of Bush's speech that had his notes, some phone numbers, etc., and the speech contained some phonetic spellings of places and people, and that has the MSM press in stitches.

431 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:05:03am

re: #420 reine.de.tout

Eeewww--more eye surgery?!?

*Thunk*

432 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:05:11am

re: #318 Ben Hur

Ben!

433 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:05:19am

re: #380 loppyd


It's gonna be close....

434 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:06:32am
435 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:07:19am

re: #416 MattMacD


somebody on this board had a really, really bad experience - I mean lawsuit bad. Was it nonic?

436 Ward Cleaver  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:07:32am

re: #396 goodbye_natalie

re: #378 vxbush

Probably not related, but this has been an ongoing problem.

Will tell you this as a long type hydrophilic contact wearer. I may use the solutions to soak the contacts because of the protease to remove proteins, but I still use a saline solution to rinse them even if the manufacturer says it is not necessary.

It's been five years since I wore contacts (soft hydrophilic), but for the last few years I wore them, I cleaned them weekly using AMO (used to be Allergan) UltraCare peroxide solution. It worked very good, and only one time did I forget to put the neutralizing tablet in the solution. You never forget putting hydrogen peroxide in your eye - it burns like a SOB!

437 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:07:32am

I have disposable contacts... Usually go half a month per pair... I take them out every night and rinse and rub in a multipurpose solution...

Allergies usually get me a bit but I've been ok... Staring at the computer all day at work is usually worse as it makes my eyes burn a bit...

438 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:08:32am

re: #435 grayp

You're right! I had forgotten about that....

439 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:08:58am
If Ahmadinejad, or someone like him, gets their finger on a nuclear button, it won't matter that he doesn't resemble Hitler and seems more comical than threatening. If he ever gets the means and the opportunity to match his motive to commit mass murder of the Jews of Israel (or some other non-Islamist target), who cares if the differences between Shi'ite Islamism and National Socialism are enormous.


As virtually all of the American presidential candidates have shown, it takes no courage to huff and puff about Iran and back sanctions. But does anyone really believe that the international community will unite behind them? Despite the general revulsion felt for the Iranian, is there any doubt that support for the use of force against Iran if it proves necessary simply doesn't exist yet in this country?


The Ahmadinejad show was good theater, but anything that doesn't help galvanize American public opinion into realizing that action on this issue is a matter of life and death is nothing but a meaningless sideshow. If, within the next few years, Iran's nuclear plans are allowed to become a reality, it will be too late for debate about Ahmadinejad, but more than enough time to ponder a new round of genocide.


[Link: www.jewishworldreview.com...]

440 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:08:58am

re: #412 Geepers

LOL. Yeah, I read that yesterday while eating my waffle. I tell you Geepers. Somewhere you and I didn't play our cards right. James Hansen has been about as successful as Jeanne Dixon at prediction and I'll bet he has bankrolled millions.

To get rich before I die, I am going to have to:
(1) Start a new diet fad
(2) Come up with a new gizmo for workouts
or
(3) Contact George Soros.

441 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:10:05am

British expats in Morocco have been on to this for months, but no help has come from the Moroccan authorities. I guess that would mean they would have to admit abduction & slavery of children is a problem in their country, and like queers in Iran, that just doesn't exist.

442 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:10:06am

re: #405 TimeQuake

heh.. from what you quoted:


There's a fundamentalist crowd who have an inordinate obsession with things sexual and what happened [during Bill Clinton's administration] played into that."

during Clinton's reign, it was 'just sex' and none of our business.... yet they rant on Republicans caught in sexual scanals.... surely they aren't hypocrites. *grin*

how goes the shooting?

443 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:10:45am

re: #404 storagemanager Hey my friend, how are ya this fine morning? Um, from the quote you posted, I dibs: "So we are left with the choice of either tolerating two years of Iran’s obstructionism once it begins its term on the Security Council or breaking our ties with the dysfunctional United Nations in protest once and for all."
And yes, I'm serious. I used to think (many, many moons ago) that the UN served a useful purpose. Now I don't. In fact I believe that the UN is counter diplomatic maneuvering, counter to peace (cause some of those "members" believe what they and some other "members" say) and because it's been a corrupt, week and ineffectual organization for years now.
Quick: When was the last time the UN helped to stop a war? (hint, it wasn't a "brokered" stop, either).
I was SOOO hoping that that was what Bush was leading up to in his speech to the UN yesterday, but unfortunately, as good as the first ten minutes were, he didn't do what I think he shoulda done: announced the formation of a new international organization to take the place of the UN, only this one would be for democracies only and the first by-law would be that Jimmy Carter could NEVER represent this new organization!

444 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:11:51am

More,

Tourist spotted Madeleine in morocco?

A Norweigan tourist claims she saw a girl looking exactly like Madeleine at a petrol station in Marrakech,she was with a man and reportedly asked him 'can i see mummy soon'.
What do you think? Why didn't the tourist actually approach this man and ask about the girl?
445 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:12:10am

re: #410 vxbush

I've looked into LASIK as well... with the eye problems I have, I would need more than 1 type of lasik surgery.

I still wear glasses. As much as I don't like them, I can't even put water drops in my eye, let alone ATTEMPT a contact.

446 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:12:50am
Jewish community in Iran slams US protest against Ahmadinejad's visit


Heads of Iran's Jewish community 'outraged by the disrespect' shown to the Iranian president during Columbia visit

Dudi Cohen Published: 09.26.07, 15:08 / Israel News


The Jewish community in Iran published a statement Wednesday, slamming the disrespect shown to Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad by human rights and freedom activists on his recent visit to the United States.

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

447 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:12:51am

re: #436 Ward Cleaver

LOL. Yeah, I've done that too. Pain is a great reminder to rinse. That protein you put in your eye is the same protein (papain) they use to tenderize meat.

NO WONDER IT BURNS LIKE HELL.

448 McJenny50  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:13:51am

re: #155 littleoldlady

I would suggest looking into Hillsdale College in Michigan for starters.

About Hillsdale

449 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:13:51am

re: #436 Ward Cleaver

You never forget putting hydrogen peroxide in your eye - it burns like a SOB!

Try toothpaste.

/don't ask

450 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:14:15am
451 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:14:27am

re: #418 realwest


How are you and yours doing lately?

Fine. They guy I told you about is out and about, but he wants no part of me.

Just got through my first waive of tests in my classes. Now suddenly all the daydreaming and whipering is over and I got a whole bunch of students who are now paying attention.

I told one class that with their lack of paying attention to my lectures, they were going to bomb the first test. I got a bunch of snickers in response.

Nobody was snickering in class after the test, I can tell you.

452 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:15:06am

Why does the Left think the Burmese people deserve to be freed from tyranny and not the Iraqis or Chinese?

Could it be because the junta isn't of a certain political or religious persuasion?

453 formercorpsman  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:16:17am

re: #434 Ben Hur

There is hope.

454 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:16:17am

re: #447 goodbye_natalie

Ya think?

455 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:16:18am

re: #443 realwest

Rough week with the COPD......yes I agree it is time to ask the U.N. to leave our soil...Iran,China and Russia all on the security council is not good for America or Israel.

456 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:17:53am

re: #423 vxbush


"No! I am not going to submit to this! I am in charge here, not my body, and I....

gahhhh....

Okay, maybe sitting down would be good."

I always say that you got to tell your body who is boss.

But the older I get, the less it listens.

457 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:18:18am

re: #441 Kenneth

British expats in Morocco have been on to this for months, but no help has come from the Moroccan authorities. I guess that would mean they would have to admit abduction & slavery of children is a problem in their country, and like queers in Iran, that just doesn't exist.

The pic does look like her.

458 Carl in Jerusalem  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:19:01am
459 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:19:12am

re: #442 LanceKates

'just sex' and none of our business

Only the dems can get away with it.

This is the last Saturday for target practice. Bah. Any improvement I've seen, I fear will be lost over the winter. Still all over the target with the KelTec (9lb. pull) but at least center of mass. Glock, much better.

How will I get my "aggression" out? LOL

460 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:19:55am
Barak says large-scale Gaza operation is fast approaching
Defense minister calls move "complex" and says it entails "operational challenges;" announcement follows barrage of 7 rockets into Negev.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

461 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:20:01am

re: #456 3 wood

Exactly. Speaking of which, my body is now complaining about food, despite eating breakfast. I don't suppose we have any doughnuts around here? Or better yet, some lovely banana muffins?

462 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:20:43am

re: #452 Ben Hur

Because we're not there.

If we were there, we'd be hearing about the horrible plight of the iraqi people under Saddam.

Remember when we were in afghanistan? they ranted about how we need to be fighting in Iraq.

Then we went to Iraq and they ranted about how we're supposed to be in Iran.

Now we're hinting about Iran and all they talk about is places like that.

They don't care about people being killed, they just care about complaining about how things are and where our soldiers are.... all in hopes of getting a vote.

463 Honorary Yooper  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:22:26am

re: #457 redstateredneck

re: #441 Kenneth


British expats in Morocco have been on to this for months, but no help has come from the Moroccan authorities. I guess that would mean they would have to admit abduction & slavery of children is a problem in their country, and like queers in Iran, that just doesn't exist.

The pic does look like her.

To my eyes, it does look like her. Plus, what is a blonde girl doing in a group of people who are obviously dark haired? I smell something odd here.

464 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:23:46am

re: #459 TimeQuake

Isn't there an indoor range in your area? maybe search the internet or talk to the rangemaster where you go now.

It took me a while to find the indoor range where I am (now) a member.

I think we talked about it before, but there are augmentations that can be done, from Kel-tec, to provide a lighter pull than 9 pounds. If it is really that rough, you may want to look into it. Still, keep practicing!

I need to get to the range, it is just very hard, since I don't want ot leave my firearm in my car all day.

465 3 wood  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:23:47am

re: #461 vxbush

Dang it, now you made me hungry too.

They got great scones at the coffee place down the street here.

466 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:23:59am
UK official: rewrite British history to include Muslims

rewrite history and make things up...hey the left in America do it everyday. [Link: jihadwatch.org...]

467 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:24:40am

re: #413 1SG(ret) Got the e-mail, thanks. Mom's doing ok, though her allergies are really killing her. So bad I MADE her go to her doctor two weeks ago. Doc listens to mom, checks her breathing and say well try this and gives mom a prescription for Allegra (sp?) Mom says ok.
(she's from the generation that never questioned a doctor - what the doc says goes.)
I go to the doctor and they try to sneak out the back way! LOL!

Anway we go to pharmacy and Mom give 'em new RX and they say "But Mrs. realwest, you are already taking Allegra - we filled a prescription for you with the generic Allegra six months ago and you still have 3 refills left! Try some Sudafed with it.
SO we get home, I'm jumping up and down angry, insist my mom call her doctor and tell her doctor that her doctor has prescribed Allegra for my Mom before (way to go doc, ya know, check a patient's chart before you see her) and ask about Allegra. Doc say's well keep taking Allegra (even though it's been totally ineffective and try sudafed with it)!
I hate doctors like the plague (cept my oncologist who actually seems to give a damn!)!

468 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:24:40am

Wife of Kidnapped Israeli Soldier Confronts Ahmadinejad

JERUSALEM — The wife of an Israeli soldier kidnapped by Hezbollah confronted Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at a news conference at the United Nations, urging him to use his influence over the guerrilla group to allow aid workers to see her husband.

In an exchange broadcast on Israeli radio stations Wednesday, Karnit Goldwasser accused the Iranian leader of responsibility for her husband's capture.

"My name is Karnit and I'm the wife of Goldwasser that was kidnapped by Hezbollah to Lebanon more than a year ago and you're responsible for this by your support. I'm asking how come you're not allowing the Red Cross to go to visit them," Goldwasser said at the Tuesday news conference.

Ahmadinejad ignored her, saying "next question."

469 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:25:09am

re: #461 vxbush

I have coffee with a almonds and praline creamer.

and splenda.

but no, no banna muffin tops.

470 Carridine  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:25:17am

re: #53 Highrise

that isn't a need to lighten up... it just seems a bit blogwhorish imo.

If you feel differently.. so be it... I feel differently than you and think it's whorish.

Ma'am, I can certainly understand your feeling, and can agree that some people overuse the courtesy provided by Charles, yet the truth is Charles provides a forum (which has GROWN) for little-known people to post links.

In this way, as well as others, Charles' largesse enables others to occasionally attract wider numbers of viewers, and helps Charles by letting him display links to dozens of other anti-idiotarian and pro-rational thought weblogs...

There are too many today that use the word 'pimping' as if it were a co-equal word to 'promoting', but I say 'pimping' (a blog, your job, your service, your CD or new book) is NOT like promoting the same.

'Pimping' DOES carry overtones of whoring and selling out, and 'the prostitution of art and literature', whereas promoting is simply lifting up to be seen in the crowd.

/words ARE important, Highrise

471 Cap'n DOC  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:25:59am

re: #437 tfc3rid

Same, same.

Wear a pair for 30 days, usually about 12 hours a day, but have gone 18 with no issues. Also, I rinse in the no-rub solution, but find I do have to rub after two weeks - soking and rinsing doesn't cut it.

472 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:27:21am

{realwest} Morning *smoooooch* Glad to know you're alright. *gentle hug*

473 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:27:41am

re: #467 realwest

You might appreciate this story:

So when I was leaving the hospital after my procedure a few weeks ago, they had me sign a form to have my list of prescriptions reviewed because I'm taking more than 5. I had to laugh, because I have to write everything down just to make sure I report the dosages correctly on some of them.

But I might be able to stop taking some of the meds if the current drug therapy continues to do as well as it is. That would be nice.

474 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:27:56am

So it begins. The Myanmar junta has begun its crackdown and monks opposing the regime have been killed. 5 people, including 2 monks have been killed so far. The WH has issued a statement saying it is troubled by the violence.

The White House expressed dismay at the reports. "If these stories are accurate, the U.S. is very troubled that the regime would treat the Burmese people this way," White House spokesman Gordon Johndroe said. "We call on the junta to proceed in a peaceful transition to democracy."
475 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:28:11am

re: #414 coz Heh. Well life in the real "old" West was never particularly comfortable and we seem to be surrounded by Indians (No, they are NOT "native americans" they came here from somewhere else, most likely China) which is good, cause with my eyesight, I just need to make sure rifle's not pointing at mom and can fire away and be sure to hit something! LOL!

476 GreenDroll  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:28:36am

Not as dangerous as George Soros.

477 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:28:58am

re: #468 NJDhockeyfan


Ahmadinejad ignored her, saying "next question."

that say's it all.

478 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:29:43am

re: #464 LanceKates

There is a year-round outdoor range (closed on major holidays only) but it is 40 miles away and you have to buy their ammo to shoot. Which is, of course, most expensive. I purchase ammo at Wal-Mart, at half the price.

The NRA headquarters (I think it's the hq) is about 50 miles away with an indoor range.

If I drive 40 miles or more, it is to see friends inside the beltway. 45 miles on I-66 and then a few miles on the beltway, then local streets. At which point, I'm ready to fire, if you get my drift.

I might consider it but...

479 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:30:08am

re: #467 realwest

Hey. Did you see the thread below? (I didn't look at the comments, so I don't know if you were posting on it or not). I'm going to e-mail my father about it, he won't be a happy camper... I imagine you aren't either..

481 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:31:11am

Um, hey y'all, if cbinflux and Jakester got banned, who was the third one?

482 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:31:13am

re: #450 NJDhockeyfan

I've written to Nightly News for confirmation of this... Shame on those who attended... They are the enemy as well...

484 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:31:35am

re: #470 Carridine

Well said - I wholeheartedly agree!

485 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:32:13am

Oh, and by the way, there are fair haired light skinned Moraccans.

486 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:33:25am

re: #470 Carridine
Thank you.

487 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:34:00am

re: #479 christheprofessor Um good morning Chris - what thread below and why would you Dad and I be unhappy campers about it? Do ya mean the whole thread (I already wrote a letter to Hofstra Law School - well at least an e-mail, last night) or some particular comment on that thread?

488 mrshankly01  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:35:14am

Have a great LGF day, everyone. Later.

489 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:35:34am

re: #487 realwest

No particular comment, just the topic of the thread, as you and he are both Hofstra grads...

490 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:35:34am

re: #423 {vxbush} LOL! Yep.

491 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:36:07am
Serbia's police on Wednesday banned a neo-Nazi march planned for next month in a northern city after an outrage among Jewish and liberal groups.

The group Nacionalni Stroj, or National Guard, had announced plans to hold the October 7 march against the secession of Serbia's separatist Kosovo province in Novi Sad, some 30 miles north of Belgrade. Serbia's police, apparently acting on protests by human rights and other nongovernment groups, said in a statement that the march would be banned. (AP)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

493 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:38:13am

Over 165 insurgents killed in Afghanistan

One of the clashes began Tuesday when several dozen insurgents attacked a joint coalition-Afghan patrol with machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades near the Taliban-controlled town of Musa Qala in Helmand province, with Taliban reinforcements flowing in all day, a coalition statement said.

The coalition returned artillery fire and called in fighter aircraft, killing more than 100 of the Taliban fighters, the coalition said. One coalition soldier was killed and four wounded.

In neighboring Uruzgan province, more than 80 Taliban fighters attacked a joint Afghan and coalition patrol from bunkers near the village of Kakrak in a six-hour battle Tuesday night, the coalition said.

Coalition artillery and air support bombarded Taliban positions, killing more than 65 insurgents, it said.

Three civilians were wounded in the crossfire, it said. No Afghan or coalition forces were hurt.

The battle took place near an area where more than three dozen insurgents were killed as they prepared an ambush six days ago, the coalition said.

via Weasel Zippers

494 Carridine  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:38:14am

re: #484 ChicagoBlue

Yr welcome, Chicago.

And you, Manager!

/I love English, have paid my dues in Korean and Thai, and KNOW that fuzzy thinking is very often linked to fuzzy word-usage...
Oh, and the company where I first learned that 'pimping' idea, was so left that they couldn't stand me for more than a year... let me go early this year... I speak clearly, say what I mean and mean what I say...

495 NJDhockeyfan  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:39:14am
496 Sharmuta  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:39:14am

re: #343 storagemanager

LMAO!

497 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:39:16am
498 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:40:34am

realwest (#481),

I don't think they were in addition to that three.

499 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:40:38am

Chavez begs the devil..........

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged his antagonist U.S. President George W. Bush to help him secure the release of hostages, including three Americans, held by Colombia's FARC rebels.

Supported by neighboring Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who wants a French-Colombian woman freed, Chavez has taken on the role of mediator with the 40-year-old rebel group.

"To President Bush: hopefully you can help us," Chavez said late on Tuesday during a televised meeting in Caracas with relatives of the U.S. hostages. He did not specify how Bush should help.

[Link: www.reuters.com...]

500 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:42:58am

re: #478 TimeQuake

lol... I can understand.

A shame though... the need for protection runs year round.

Your pistol is Double Action, so you can get a pack of snap caps (may have to go to a gun shop, I don't think wal-mart has them) and load your pistol with the snap caps. Then you can still practice firing without live ammo.

Since your problem is the trigger pull, the snap caps will let you work that trigger finger and get used to the pull.

501 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:43:45am

Oooo, someone likes me; I just got a whole bunch of 65% cocoa dark chocolate......

/slurp

502 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:44:09am

re: #455 storagemanager Sorry to hear you've had a rough week due to the COPD. Wish there was something that could be done.
Damn.
But it isn't just about America and Israel (though I admit it seems that way and actually applauded when I heard Bush say what he did about the UN Human Rights thing, but it's about ALL democracies - why the hell should we all be held hostage to the asshats in the UN? Why should democracies allow the Security Council have to let Russia and China dictate policy?
I AM serious about this: new organization: if you are a true democracy and have free elections (not the kind of "free" as in say, Iran or Russia) you're in - you don't you're not in. Period. You stop having free elections, you're out. Period.
Wonder how many democracies there really are in the world?

503 WriterMom  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:45:22am

re: #373 Geepers

Ga. I don't understand what part of "this is Charles' blog" people don't get.

504 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:45:24am

re: #456 3 wood "But the older I get, the less it listens."
The older I get the more it giggles at me.
Sigh.

505 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:46:53am

re: #504 realwest

Sometimes I think mine is staging a coup.

506 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:47:37am

re: #494 Carridine

I speak clearly, say what I mean and mean what I say...

Yes, yes you do and I appreciate your posts and the insight you provide.

507 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:49:02am

re: #472 {Miss Trixie}
*smooch* back atcha! But what's with this "gentle" hug - I'm a real man, bring it on, toots! LOL!

508 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:49:03am

re: #502 realwest

Very few...and less than say 20 years ago.

509 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:50:08am

re: #456 3 wood
That made me think of this:

“Yes, Marly. And from that rather terminal perspective, I should advise you to strive to live hourly in your own flesh... I speak as one who can no longer tolerate that simple state, the cells of my body having opted for the quixotic pursuit of individual careers... I was touched, Marly, at your affairs of the heart. I envy you the ordered flesh from which they unfold.”
510 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:50:14am

re: #504 realwest

re: #456 3 wood "But the older I get, the less it listens."
The older I get the more it giggles at me.
Sigh.

LOL!

So far mine is still obeying!

/well, thanks to the dreadmill and freeweights...

511 akak  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:50:43am

7.5 MEGAWATTS TRADED FOR JEWISH LIFE

THAT'S CRIMINAL OLMERDE!

512 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:51:07am

re: #455 storagemanager

Iran is NOT on the UN Security Council. Here are the current UNSC members,

Membership in 2007

The Council is composed of five permanent members — China, France, Russian Federation, the United Kingdom and the United States — and ten non-permament members (with year of term's end):

Belgium (2008)
Italy (2008)
Qatar (2007)
Congo (Republic of the) (2007)
Panama (2008)
Slovakia (2007)
Ghana (2007)
Peru (2007)
South Africa (2008)
Indonesia (2008)

513 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:52:07am

re: #473 {vxbush} I sure hope that the current therapy works for you! I have my prescriptions memorized - they've only changed by adding two and dropping one over the last two years.
Can't remember what the hell I did last Monday, but I always remember my drug list! LOL!

514 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:53:44am

re: #470 Carridine

re: #53 Highrise

that isn't a need to lighten up... it just seems a bit blogwhorish imo.
If you feel differently.. so be it... I feel differently than you and think it's whorish.

Ma'am, I can certainly understand your feeling, and can agree that some people overuse the courtesy provided by Charles, yet the truth is Charles provides a forum (which has GROWN) for little-known people to post links.

In this way, as well as others, Charles' largesse enables others to occasionally attract wider numbers of viewers, and helps Charles by letting him display links to dozens of other anti-idiotarian and pro-rational thought weblogs...

There are too many today that use the word 'pimping' as if it were a co-equal word to 'promoting', but I say 'pimping' (a blog, your job, your service, your CD or new book) is NOT like promoting the same.

'Pimping' DOES carry overtones of whoring and selling out, and 'the prostitution of art and literature', whereas promoting is simply lifting up to be seen in the crowd.

/words ARE important, Highrise

Um, blog pimping has alway been permissable out here on the Dead Thread and on Open Threads. Just sayin............

515 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:53:44am

Good morning, Lizards! Has BabbaZee been around this glorious a.m.?

Here's the other Baba. Some small comfort for the Babba-less.

516 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:54:12am

re: #500 LanceKates

snap caps

Thanks, Lance. Never heard of them but plenty of gun stores in my area. I'll check into that. It says you can dry fire the Glock but the manual for the KelTec says no.

517 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:54:32am

re: #499 storagemanager

Chavez begs the devil..........

CARACAS (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez urged his antagonist U.S. President George W. Bush to help him secure the release of hostages, including three Americans, held by Colombia's FARC rebels.
Supported by neighboring Colombia's president, Alvaro Uribe, and French President Nicolas Sarkozy, who wants a French-Colombian woman freed, Chavez has taken on the role of mediator with the 40-year-old rebel group.

"To President Bush: hopefully you can help us," Chavez said late on Tuesday during a televised meeting in Caracas with relatives of the U.S. hostages. He did not specify how Bush should help.


[Link: www.reuters.com...]

My problem with this other than Chavez being an idiot, is that supposedly he has close ties to this organization so why would he need help from our Pres. I thought he could accomplish anything. It seems he will use anything to get is mug out in the international leftist MSM. *spit*

We just need to go get our own and fuck what they say!

Top

518 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:54:48am

re: #512 Kenneth
My link was to a story about...Iran trying very hard to get on ...and they have alot of support so far.

519 Shr_Nfr  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:55:12am

Ben Laden's son states guy in recent video isn't his father: [Link: timesofindia.indiatimes.com...]

520 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:55:37am

re: #507 realwest

re: #472 {Miss Trixie}
*smooch* back atcha! But what's with this "gentle" hug - I'm a real man, bring it on, toots! LOL!

Alrighty, then! *SQUEEEEEEZErealwestSQUEEEEEEEZE**

Better?
:D

{vxbush} Toots!

Actually, I think it was ky_newsjunkie (sorry if it's spelled incorrectly) that had an awful, awful time with laser eye surgery.

521 So?  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:55:56am

OT

Guess who's coming to dinner?

[Link: www.time.com...]

These Dumbfuck Americans are just that. Period.

522 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:56:34am

re: #489 christheprofessor Ah, yes, well neither he nor I graduated from Hofstra Law School, I'm proud to say and as I said, I already sent them a blistering, but polite, e-mail last night.
Undergraduate Hofstra's still a top notch school, however.

523 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:57:10am
524 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:57:10am

re: #502 realwest

The problem with the UN is not how they determine memberships, but what powers the UN has abrogated to itself. The world needs a place where diplomats from every country in the world, be it a democracy or a dictatorship, can meet and talk (and for that reason the UN's refusal to grant a seat to Taiwan is wrong).

The problem is that many people assume the UN should be a governing body, or worse yet, a moral body. It is neither. It is, or at least should be limited in scope to, a diplomatic meeting place. Period.

525 vxbush  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:58:02am

re: #520 Miss Trixie

*nods head*

Miss Trix. Hope you are well today! You may be right about ky_newsjunkie; I know someone had a problem, but I simply cannot recall who.

It definitely gives me the willies about doing the surgery. Of course, I don't have enough money to do it even if I wanted, so the question is really moot.

I just really hate my glasses. And if contacts are out, then I'm stuck.

526 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:58:43am

#515 MandyManners

BabbaZee is having connectivity issues and expects to be off line the remainder of the afternoon.

I had an email earlier this morning.

How's it going, RealWest? Nice day here at the beach.....it's been a very relaxing week.

527 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:58:52am

re: #498 Geepers Hey Geepers! How are you today?
No, I knew that, was just wondering who the 3rd of the three banned was, is all.

528 MandyManners  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 7:59:09am

re: #521 So?

OT

Guess who's coming to dinner?

[Link: www.time.com...]

These Dumbfuck Americans are just that. Period.

I would not break bread with that ape if he were serving the last loaf of bread on Earth.

529 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:00:39am

re: #522 realwest

re: #489 christheprofessor Ah, yes, well neither he nor I graduated from Hofstra Law School, I'm proud to say and as I said, I already sent them a blistering, but polite, e-mail last night.
Undergraduate Hofstra's still a top notch school, however.

Very true. Still, the fact that HLS invited her to speak taints the entire university.

530 insanity police  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:01:49am

I hate terrorists. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

531 mglazer  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:03:26am

Wife of Kidnapped Israeli Soldier Confronts Ahmadinejad

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Ahmadinejad ignored her, saying "next question."

Goldwasser told Israeli Army Radio on Wednesday that Ahmadinejad was clearly caught off guard. "He was pretty surprised to find me there," she said. "The distance between us was about two meters (yards),"

532 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:04:09am

re: #520 Miss Trixie

Actually, I think it was ky_newsjunkie (sorry if it's spelled incorrectly) that had an awful, awful time with laser eye surgery.

Yer right, it was!

just an aside - whatever happened to aussiemagpie? I can't remember the last time I saw here here.

Now, via PJM:

The 44-year-old art teacher says he objected to the school's menu and its posters featuring milk.

The school board has voted 7-0 to fire him.

Warwak was a teacher at the school for eight years. He had been suspended with pay.

Warwak became a vegan in January. He admits urging his students to do research about animal cruelty, and the hazards meat eating.

The district superintendent and the principal told Warwak to stop sharing his vegan viewpoint. He refused.

Meantime Warwak has threatened a child endangerment lawsuit against the district for failing to inform the students about the health risks of eating meat.

And got his ass fired.

533 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:05:26am

re: #530 insanity police

I hate terrorists. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

Don't waste the emotion, just kill 'em.

534 southernborn  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:05:30am

Just passing thru hope all lizards have a safe and happy day. just want to share something with you OT of course.

[Link: www.simpletruths.com...]

535 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:05:31am

re: #501 vxbush

we all like you (well, the IMPORTANT people anyway). . . but not all of us are able to send you yummy chocolate.

536 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:06:06am

realwest (#527),

My bad.

Those two were in addition to the three others - who were not named.

537 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:07:01am

re: #516 TimeQuake

I'm sure you can, they just may be afraid of long-term dry fire on the pin.

the snap caps look like a normal round (though they're normally made of plastic or something, with a spring in it)

it takes up the space in the chamber and gives some pressure for the pin so there isn't as much strain on it.

538 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:08:17am

#536 Geepers

I hope I'm not stupid enough to post anything that could potentially cross the line and get me banned. LGF has been my home away from home for a very long time. When I'm traveling, especially overseas, it's nice to still be connected in real-time.

539 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:09:01am

re: #520 Miss Trixie

Actually, I think it was ky_newsjunkie (sorry if it's spelled incorrectly) that had an awful, awful time with laser eye surgery.

Shit. I'm having that done a week from Monday -- everybody I know who's had it done wishes they'd done it years earlier...

540 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:09:42am

re: #524 Kenneth Kenneth - you know I respect you a lot, but you're wrong about the UN. The world doesn't need a place where diplomats from Dicatorship, theocratic or Royalty run nations can meet with the rest of us. I have MUCH LESS faith in the need for a place for EVERYBODY to meet. Russia or China want to talk to us (or, say, Poland or Australia) let 'em contact us or Poland or Australia privately.
Otherwise you wind up with what we have now; an organization, the majority of who's members wouldn't recognzie democracy if it hit 'em in the face. And yes, if a nation votes for Islamic rule, they get admitted (as long as there are regularly scheduled elections and the people can vote out Islamic law anytime they choose to). That's one of the problems with democracy - ya may not agree with the majority vote!
WTF is the point of our not having diplomatic relations with, say, Cuba or Iran if they can still meet in the same club (and on our Naton's turf, no less)?

541 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:11:04am

re: #537 LanceKates

re: #516 TimeQuake

I'm sure you can, they just may be afraid of long-term dry fire on the pin.

the snap caps look like a normal round (though they're normally made of plastic or something, with a spring in it)

it takes up the space in the chamber and gives some pressure for the pin so there isn't as much strain on it.

I'll slip a snap cap into the mag when at the range. Then when it "misfires" on the cap, I can see if I am dropping the muzzle anticipating the recoil or as a jam drill.

542 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:11:17am
Three members of Hamas's security force were killed in a jeep explosion in Gaza City Wednesday afternoon, the group reported.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

543 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:12:06am

re: #526 BulgarWheat Hello my friend! Yeah, the weather here's been fine too (except for all the damn pollen and the drought we're experiencing - our whole county was put on drought alert day before yesterday, I believe.
Glad you're enjoying your vacation - really great weather for it!

544 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:13:17am

BulgarWheat (#538),

Charles has an incredible (some would say inordinate) amount of patience. You have to go way out of your way to get banned. I wouldn't worry.

545 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:13:21am

re: #540 realwest

re: #524 Kenneth Kenneth - you know I respect you a lot, but you're wrong about the UN. The world doesn't need a place where diplomats from Dicatorship, theocratic or Royalty run nations can meet with the rest of us. I have MUCH LESS faith in the need for a place for EVERYBODY to meet. Russia or China want to talk to us (or, say, Poland or Australia) let 'em contact us or Poland or Australia privately.
Otherwise you wind up with what we have now; an organization, the majority of who's members wouldn't recognzie democracy if it hit 'em in the face. And yes, if a nation votes for Islamic rule, they get admitted (as long as there are regularly scheduled elections and the people can vote out Islamic law anytime they choose to). That's one of the problems with democracy - ya may not agree with the majority vote!
WTF is the point of our not having diplomatic relations with, say, Cuba or Iran if they can still meet in the same club (and on our Naton's turf, no less)?

I agree...great post.

546 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:13:58am

re: #542 storagemanager

Three members of Hamas's security force were killed in a jeep explosion in Gaza City Wednesday afternoon, the group reported.

[Link: www.jpost.com...]

Mohammed! Slow down! This thing is sensitive to jolts!
WATCH OUT FOR THAT POTH.............

547 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:15:53am

re: #534 southernborn Thank you very much for that.

548 J.S.  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:16:41am

but, but, but I thought the HuT were pacifists, and peace-lubbers, and, and, they only want a Caliphate...just a little Caliphate....

549 Ben Hur  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:16:42am
WATCH OUT FOR THAT POTH.............

Pothead?

550 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:16:57am

re: #536 Geepers GAACK - there were 5 banned in total?!
Wow.

551 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:16:58am
Three members of Hamas's special security force were killed Wednesday afternoon in an Israeli airstrike in the Gaza Strip, Palestinian sources said.

The sources said an Israeli aircraft targeted a car carrying Hamas gunmen east of Gaza City. (Ali Waked)

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

552 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:17:13am

grayp - message to aussiemagpie sent. :)

553 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:17:22am

storagemanager (#542),

Three members of Hamas's security force were killed in a jeep explosion in Gaza City Wednesday afternoon, the group reported.

You do know reprinting entire articles is a violation of fair use policy. ;-)

Sure, "jeep" explosions. Happens all the time.

554 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:17:55am

re: #549 Ben Hur

WATCH OUT FOR THAT POTH.............

Pothead?

Duu-uuuu--uuude...

555 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:18:18am

re: #549 Ben Hur

WATCH OUT FOR THAT POTH.............

Pothead?

3 Terrorist and a pothead (from ISM), better and better.

556 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:18:38am

Good morning Lizards!
What's the good word?

557 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:19:56am

Morning NoSubmission.

What's the good word?

See #493.

558 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:20:06am

#544 Geepers

It's not the early morning dead threads that worry me, it's the self-admitted drunken friday flame wars that worry me.

Several years ago I started a flame war with Zombie, I had misread the post and thought Zombie was a moonbat. I was quickly schooled on that. I've gone after TFK, until RealWest reigned me in and spelled the facts out to me. I sometimes feel like Ted Kennedy at a driving school.

I have gotten quieter and quieter over time, which is probably a very good survival instinct kicking in.

I'm in behavior mode and am determined to stick with it.

As you said, Charles has to put up with enough crap without me or anyone else adding to it. I do appreciate that.

559 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:20:28am

re: #556 NoSubmission

Vacation.

560 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:20:29am
Haddad-Adel told North Korean Ambassador to Tehran Kim Chong Ryong that the US discriminatory and dubious approaches towards nuclear issue are condemned and criticized worldwide.

He stressed the need to confront Washington's aggressive and hegemonic policies and said the Iranian and North Korean nations' resistance to such arrogant strategy of the US is among the main commonalties of the two sides.

He said the common resistance, courage and stances of Iran and North Korea have prepared the ground for closer mutual friendship.

He added that Majlis is ready to render any sort of legislative assistance to North Korea if necessary.

Kim in return said, "The US is not reliable and as long as it has not stopped its hostile policies towards North Korea, talks will be futile."
Referring to the so-called six-party talks, the envoy said North Korea moves cautiously and will take necessary actions in dealing with the US.

He said his country wants enhanced economic and commercial cooperation with Iran, asking Majlis to facilitate such cooperation.


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

561 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:20:46am

#524 Kenneth:

The problem with the UN is not how they determine memberships, but what powers the UN has abrogated to itself.

"Arrogated".

A pedantic "good morning" to all.

I used to agree with this view of the function of the UN: but now I'm inclined to realwest's view. The UN seems to function more to legitimize the nutcases and dictators than anything else. They want to talk us to? We're in the phone book. On balance, I'm not sure it does anyone any good to have a great big hall where the L'il Kims and Mini-Hitlers of the world can give speeches.

562 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:21:41am

re: #545 storagemanager Thanks. So how come I got 20/20 eysight and the rest of the world wears bifocals (hat tip: Butch Cassiday to the Sundance Kid in one of my favorite top ten movies of all time!)?!

563 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:22:19am

re: #556 NoSubmission Hey, good morning No Sub! How are ya today?

564 Miss Trixie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:22:33am

re: #539 christheprofessor

re: #520 Miss Trixie


Actually, I think it was ky_newsjunkie (sorry if it's spelled incorrectly) that had an awful, awful time with laser eye surgery.

Shit. I'm having that done a week from Monday -- everybody I know who's had it done wishes they'd done it years earlier...

I don't think you have anything to fear. If I recall correctly, KY was at the forefront of this procedure when it was still relatively new and not a lot of data was available as to its safety and possible vision implications. I believe he wrote a heart-wrenching post about it where he described himself as "a guinea pig so that others would not have to go through what he went through". Paraphrasing here - may not be exact. Broke my heart to read that.

565 ronaldusmagnus  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:22:58am

OT

Katie Couric is uncomfortable wearing U.S. flag lapel pin and saying "we" when referring to the United States.

No surprise there.

The former “Today” show anchor traced her discomfort with the administration’s march to war back to the aftermath of the Sept. 11 attacks.

The whole culture of wearing flags on our lapel and saying ‘we’ when referring to the United States and, even the ‘shock and awe’ of the initial stages, it was just too jubilant and just a little uncomfortable. And I remember feeling, when I was anchoring the ‘Today’ show, this inevitable march towards war and kind of feeling like, ‘Will anybody put the brakes on this?’ And is this really being properly challenged by the right people? And I think, at the time, anyone who questioned the administration was considered unpatriotic and it was a very difficult position to be in.”

She also repeats the lie that Iraq had no connection with Al Qaida.

566 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:23:31am
Iran-America-Ahmadinejad
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad will visit Bolivia and Venezuela as of Thursday following his visit to the US where he addressed the 62nd UN General Assembly session.

President Ahmadinejad and his entourage will leave New York for Bolivia on Wednesday and after half a day visit will head for Caracas, Venezuela on Thursday.

On the last day of his stay in New York, Ahmadinejad is scheduled to meet a number of senior officials of other states and address a group of Christian leaders.


[Link: www2.irna.com...]

567 ChicagoBlue  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:23:38am

re: #556 NoSubmission

Good morning Lizards!
What's the good word?

How about 2 words ~ Urban Infidel!

GREAT reporting on your blog - I was up late last night looking and reading at your site. Thank you for all the work you do!

568 J.S.  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:23:43am

O/T

I have heard the following (usually expressed by those who are fed-up with sending gazillions of dollars to Arab terrorist-supporting states, such as Saudi Arabia, etc. thanks to North America's dependence on oil...): "Well, we have to stop or reduce the amount of imported oil from Saudi Arabia, let's instead look to other nations to supply America's oil needs -- Canada, for example." hmmm... Well, guess who's becoming a major presence in Canada's oil fields?

Sept. 25, 2007, article title: "Abu Dhabi antes up $ 5 Billion for Primewest: Cash-laden Gulf-state company fulfilling vow to be major presence in Canadian oilpatch." And this is not a "private" Arab company -- it's a national energy company (not privately owned, it's owned by the Abu Dhabi government). So Canada's oil production becomes controlled by foreign Arab states. And eventually, when you purchase oil from Canada, you'll be enriching Arabs...

569 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:24:18am

re: #558 BulgarWheat

I hear ya... I've tried to avoid the D(rinking)T flame wars, a few of which I've been involved in... Far easier to misinterpret another's comments here than in meat-space, given the lack of visual cues. Then, it's on!

570 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:24:59am

Good Morning NoSub!

Did you make it to any protests? I was thinking of you during some of the coverage....

571 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:25:31am

re: #561 Occasional Reader Good morning to you! Well incline some more and come on over all the way!
Having you with us would certainly give us additional legitimacy.
So would having Kenneth, but you know how stubborn he is.

572 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:25:50am

re: #537 LanceKates

Do they make "noise" when fired? Can I do this in my home? Or will the neighbors be calling the police on me?

573 dammad  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:26:20am

Hate to post and run...but here is what the problem in Myanmar really is all about. Something you won't read in the MSM .....[Link: www.atimes.com...]

574 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:26:45am

re: #570 loppyd

Check her blog. She was incredible!

575 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:26:51am

re: #552 Miss Trixie

grayp - message to aussiemagpie sent. :)

why thankee!

576 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:27:30am

re: #541 jcm

I can see if I am dropping the muzzle anticipating the recoil or as a jam drill.

Another good idea.

577 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:27:30am

#569 christheprofessor

CTP! We've been down in Ocean Isle since last Saturday and really enjoying the beach. Maybe you'll need to drive down for an actual drunken Friday night instead of the virtual one.

I love this beach. Gotta get off of this computer and put the top on my "first up" It's mid-week and the family is in full vacation vegetation mode.

It sure does feel nice!

578 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:27:56am

re: #572 TimeQuake

re: #537 LanceKates

Do they make "noise" when fired? Can I do this in my home? Or will the neighbors be calling the police on me?

No, just a snap when the pin hits the cap. Make sure you have the curtains pulled, if the neighbors see you waving a weapon around they might call.

579 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:27:58am

re: #574 tfc3rid

re: #570 loppyd

Check her blog. She was incredible!

I will! And I am sure she was....

Good Morning, BTW. :)

580 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:28:57am

re: #541 jcm

there are advanced pistol courses at the gun range I go to that has things like that as a part of the training. The instructor will load your mag and slip in a snap cap to see your reaction during quick fire drills.

I don't have any for my pistol, but I don't practice dry fireing much... between work and studying, by the time I have time to do it, I want to sleep.

581 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:28:58am

re: #564 Miss Trixie

Thanks for the info. I'm not really concerned -- the guy doing it clearly knows his stuff -- Vanderbilt undergrad, UNC medical school, Mayo Clinic internship (AIR), Duke post-grad for refractive surgery... I'm paying more than the amount you hear in the "assembly-line surgery" commercials, but, hey, this is my eyesight we are talking about!

582 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:29:12am

re: #569 christheprofessor

Well, CTP, My dog's better than your dog.

BTW, how's your buddy doing?

583 insanity police  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:29:40am
584 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:30:16am

re: #493 Geepers

One of the clashes massacres began Tuesday when several dozen insurgents wedding partygoers were attacked by a joint coalition-Afghan patrol with machine guns, mortars and rocket-propelled grenades near the Taliban-controlledliberated town of Musa Qala in Helmand province, with Taliban reinforcementsgroomsmen and maids of honor flowing in being ruthlessly gunned down all day, a coalition statementpack of lies saidfailed to conceal.

[re-written for Reuters]

585 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:30:22am

re: #579 loppyd

Morning! At least your Saux are going to win your division!

586 lawhawk  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:30:22am

re: #558 BulgarWheat

There's a reason that the Iron Fist rule was imposed. If you think you're too drunk to post, you probably are.

I'd posit an addendum. If you think you're going over the line of decency and appropriate posting by making statements online that you wouldn't normally say in public, you probably are.

It's that latter addendum that is the source of much trouble online - not only at LGF. People simply think that being online frees them from the constraints of rational and civil behavior.

587 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:31:03am

Occasional Reader (#561),

The UN seems to function more to legitimize the nutcases and dictators than anything else.

You got that right.

An enormous amount of attention was given to Ahmadinejad's speech at Columbia University which has no political influence and where he was on the receiving end of some scathing criticism.

Not so much at the UN where they do have vast political power and influence to legitimize him. No one there called him a "petty and brutal dictator."

588 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:31:05am

re: #572 TimeQuake

no noise. It is just a plastic piece in the shape of a round with a spring where the pin would strike.

Just make ABSOLUTELY sure you don't have a live round in the chamber... lol.

589 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:31:29am

re: #565 ronaldusmagnus


And See-BS wonders why their ratings are in the tank?

Try Laura Ingram, you tools.

590 easy  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:31:39am
“I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country,” he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”


A victim of democracy. Strange times.

591 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:31:39am

re: #580 LanceKates

re: #541 jcm

there are advanced pistol courses at the gun range I go to that has things like that as a part of the training. The instructor will load your mag and slip in a snap cap to see your reaction during quick fire drills.

I don't have any for my pistol, but I don't practice dry fireing much... between work and studying, by the time I have time to do it, I want to sleep.

I hear ya' there, between work and family. I don't get to the range much. I do have a gang at work well head to a nearby indoor range and spend 30 minutes during lunch.

592 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:32:15am

re: #578 jcm

yup, and that wouldn't be a balanced call.... it'd be more like this:

"My crazy neighbor is running around waving a gun!"

Then the police show up with pistols drawn.

Some people treat guns like nuclear weapons. I don't get it.

593 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:32:22am

re: #572 TimeQuake

Do they make "noise" when fired?

No, but you can shout "BANG!" if you want.

(I am very pro-snap cap, btw)

594 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:32:23am

re: #583 insanity police

Pali car swarm!

Charles!

CAR SWARM THREAD.

595 loppyd  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:32:50am

re: #585 tfc3rid

re: #579 loppyd

Morning! At least your Saux are going to win your division!

SSSSSHHHHHHH!

Don't jinx it on me now. :)

What's up with the Mets?

596 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:03am

re: #565 ronaldusmagnus That's because, pert though she may be, she is sorely lacking in her studies of American History. Shit, y'all can wear a US Flag pin and disagree with the direction this country is headed in or appears to be headed in. That's the whole point of our constitution, Katie. Try reading the Bill of Rights - sorry, for you that would be the first ten amendments to the c-o-n-s-t-i-t-u-t-i-o-n.
I don't know if you can get a copy of it from Google, but Yahoo, dogpile and other search engines have it and you really should try to read it. At least once.

597 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:04am

re: #586 lawhawk

That is the very reason why I post under my real name.... so I can ward off the temptation to post something I wouldn't otherwise say.

598 storagemanager  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:04am

Just a matter of time

.......Italy: Muslims patrol streets following vandalism attacks

[Link: www.adnkronos.com...]

599 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:16am

re: #593 Occasional Reader

re: #572 TimeQuake

Do they make "noise" when fired?

No, but you can shout "BANG!" if you want.

(I am very pro-snap cap, btw)

You're screwed if the other guy is yelling TANK!

600 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:56am

re: #588 LanceKates

Just make ABSOLUTELY sure you don't have a live round in the chamber... lol.

Glaringly self-evident as that point may sound, IT CANNOT BE EMPHASIZED ENOUGH. As I'm sure you know.

I know VERY experienced shooters who have forgotten Rule No. 1 of gun safety.

EVERY GUN IS ALWAYS LOADED UNTIL YOU, PERSONALLY, VERIFY OTHERWISE.

601 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:33:56am

re: #577 BulgarWheat

Hey, sounds like you are having a great time! Sure, let me know and I'll motor on over sometime... That's probably only about 50 miles or so from here...

602 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:34:26am

re: #587 Geepers

by the time he spoke at the UN, he had already been televised twice... The majority of Americans are trained to not care after a little bit, unless it is OJ, Britney or some other useless celebrity.

603 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:35:07am
604 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:35:17am

#586 lawhawk

Agreed on the Iron Fist rule. Misreading the intent of someone's post is a talent that I've developed to a high art. We could call that the BulgarWheat rule. When you read a post and want to immediately rip into someone else, stop, have another beer. Go back and read the post again. Check the previous posts sent out, and make sure to have a handle on the intent.

Misinterpreting Zombie sort of sets a high bar on stupidity and lack of comprehension. As Bill Murray said in Caddy Shack, "I got that goin' for me."

605 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:35:37am

Occasional Reader (#584),

[re-written for Reuters]

LOL. It's funny 'cause it's true.

606 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:36:12am

re: #591 jcm

I CAN do that, but I don't want to keep my pistol in my car (oddly enough, there are breakins in my area, as the area is on the edge of a crummy part of OKC.... but it is illegal for me to have my pistol on my person at my job.)

607 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:36:46am

re: #587 Geepers

They didn't criticize him because they hate Israel and the US as well...

608 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:36:51am

re: #582 Widow'smight

Why, I oughta pound you!

She's great, thanks! I believe fully recovered - now that she appears to be back to her normal weight, she's not eating as much food (I think she's in maintenance mode now) and, as usual, asleep at my left foot...

Hope you and all of yours (human and canine) are doing well...

609 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:37:30am

re: #600 Occasional Reader

Yup. Even my carry pistol, I verify that it is loaded every day and if one is in the chamber or not. every day.

I don't want to make the mistake of assumption.

610 BulgarWheat  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:37:46am

#601 christheprofessor

I'll catch back up with you in a couple of hours. Gotta drag the kids down to the beach for a few. Sneaking a couple of cold beers down with me too.

I'll be back soon!

611 christheprofessor  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:38:19am

re: #586 lawhawk

I'd posit an addendum. If you think you're going over the line of decency and appropriate posting by making statements online that you wouldn't normally say in public, you probably are.

I like it, and I plead guilty at times...

612 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:38:29am

Lance, one thing:

the snap caps look like a normal round

A snap cap SHOULD NOT look like a normal round. They should be very clearly, visibly NOT a normal round! Which is why they're usually colored red. You do NOT want to mix up your live ammo with snap caps!

613 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:38:52am

re: #578 jcm

I live next door to a "loose cannon" and addressed the captain of the local police about it. He gave me the low down on what constitutes brandishing my weapon, even inside my home, even when the nut has his head up against my screen.

Ok for him, not for me.

Bad behavior is rewarded, in this day and age.

614 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:39:07am

BBIAM.

615 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:39:58am

BulgarWheat (#604),

I always ask a qulifying question first.

Did you really mean to say ...

616 Roger  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:40:17am

re: #354 lawhawk

I believe the US military should make a video of pumpkins placed thru out a scene 1.4 miles away being hit one right after the other and override Al Jazeera's channel and show it to the entire ME. Ask anyone if they want to have a bad day.

617 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:41:29am

re: #606 LanceKates

re: #591 jcm

I CAN do that, but I don't want to keep my pistol in my car (oddly enough, there are breakins in my area, as the area is on the edge of a crummy part of OKC.... but it is illegal for me to have my pistol on my person at my job.)



Dillion Plan B day planner
click the enlarge link to see it.

618 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:41:44am

re: #595 loppyd

Biggest. Choke. Ever.

Team is lazy and lackadaisical... Willie Randolph manages like St. Joe Torre and overworks his bullpen... Those chickens are coming home to roost... The fanbase is tired of this crap and is clamorning for Willie to be fired if they lose this lead.

619 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:41:45am

re: #588 LanceKates

I always check but that first pull in the house is still " will I blow my cat away?" Not that I aim at him. LOL

620 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:42:39am

re: #612 Occasional Reader

lol..I'm sorry, I was referring to the SHAPE, not the color.

Yeah, they are normally clearish, I've seen red and blue and clear.... clearly plastic.

621 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:42:48am

re: #599 jcm

re: #593 Occasional Reader


re: #572 TimeQuake

Do they make "noise" when fired?

No, but you can shout "BANG!" if you want.

(I am very pro-snap cap, btw)


You're screwed if the other guy is yelling TANK!


ROTHFLMAO!

622 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:43:59am

re: #613 TimeQuake

re: #578 jcm

I live next door to a "loose cannon" and addressed the captain of the local police about it. He gave me the low down on what constitutes brandishing my weapon, even inside my home, even when the nut has his head up against my screen.

Ok for him, not for me.

Bad behavior is rewarded, in this day and age.

...nut has his head up against my screen.

Even in Blue WA that's trespassing and voyeurism, reasonable force may be used to detain for the police.

623 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:44:10am

re: #593 Occasional Reader

"Bang".

Will do. LOL

624 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:44:51am

re: #617 jcm

Oh, I've seen them. However, in most states, if you carry in a posted building, you break no laws. If they ask you to leave, you have to, or they can get you for tresspassing. That's fair.

However, in oklahoma, the liberal addition to our concealed carry laws makes it a crime of 'unlawful carry' to carry in a posted building, akin to carrying at a school.

They don't even need to have a standard sign posting on the doors, it can be (as our governor described) "crayon on cardboard'.

625 Widow'smight  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:45:01am

re: #608 christheprofessor

Well, you'll have to come up here and POUND some with me if that's the way you feel. It's hot enough up here right now, I don't need to get broiled down there!

Everyone's fine up here, especially my "Furry son". I do miss my daughter that's in Duquesne alot. I'll see here next month. My wife justs continues to be more loving towards me everyday. I haven't figured out what I'm doing differently and I ain't changing nothing!

Good luck with your classes, and glad to hear the doggie is getting better.

626 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:45:10am

re: #290 Geepers

It's always struck me that vehicle turret gunners had to be almost suicidally brave. They're sitting ducks. This looks like a good system; the turret gunner job will hopefully be rendered obsolete.

627 GeoffP  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:45:41am

"In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values and backed the use of suicide bombings in Iraq and Palestine, even if they killed Australians. “I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country,” he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”"

Unless, of course, the victims are Jews in 1948, I imagine.

628 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:45:42am

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey


They are attempts to discredit both history and the foundations of religion--both of which the Left rightly sees as threats to its own success.

You should send that to Babba.

629 Geepers  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:47:38am

Occasional Reader (#626),

It's always struck me that vehicle turret gunners had to be almost suicidally brave. They're sitting ducks.

True.

But they're the ones that get to pull the trigger. :-)

630 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:48:12am

re: #619 TimeQuake

Heh. I check a few times on my other firearms before I put them away. Then check when I take them out.

631 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:50:20am

French PM Fillon tells farmers 'France is broke'

France is bankrupt and can no longer afford to pay its workers generous salaries and subsidies, its prime minister has declared.
[...]
"I am at the head of a state that is in a position of bankruptcy," he said.

"I am at the head of a state that for 15 years has been in chronic deficit. I am at the head of a state that has not once passed a balanced budget in 25 years. This can't go on."

Crack....

632 NoSubmission  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:50:39am

re: #570 loppyd

Good Morning NoSub!
Did you make it to any protests? I was thinking of you during some of the coverage....


Morning loppyd!
Yes, I went to all three and took pics. Was a hell of a day. :)

633 Mike42  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:52:26am

re: #603 buzzsawmonkey

they have continually asserted their own religiously-based claim that they cannot permit any land once under Muslim rule to be ruled by a non-Muslim people.

Does this mean Spain has to go, as well? It was occupied by the moors for over 800 years....

Just curious.

634 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:53:06am

re: #586 lawhawk I like your addendum just fine.
Maybe you should run it past Charles to see about creating an official Addendum to the Iron Fist rule or a new rule altogether (although I'd make allowances for certain language and terms, like btw, OTOH and the like).

635 jcm  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:53:53am

re: #630 LanceKates

re: #619 TimeQuake

Heh. I check a few times on my other firearms before I put them away. Then check when I take them out.

I get real anal about clearing weapons. Once when doing unarmed v. armed drills the instructor was going to have me be the armed bad guy with the drop on him. Since the weapon was in a training situation it had been cleared coming into the building and a red mag inserted. The instructor cleared the weapon before handing it to me, my first action was to clear the weapon. The instructor laughed then told everyone, you all need to have the habit that ingrained.

636 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:54:20am

re: #633 Mike42

Actually, those are the Moops...

/Seinfeld reference...

637 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:55:28am

re: #631 aboo-Hoo-Hoo WHOA! That's gonna cause some riots, strikes and the like! I mean, the French are not gonna take being told to go to work lightly, let me tell ya!

638 1SG(ret)  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:55:28am

re: #622 jcm

re: #613 TimeQuake


re: #578 jcm

I live next door to a "loose cannon" and addressed the captain of the local police about it. He gave me the low down on what constitutes brandishing my weapon, even inside my home, even when the nut has his head up against my screen.

Ok for him, not for me.

Bad behavior is rewarded, in this day and age.


...nut has his head up against my screen.

Even in Blue WA that's trespassing and voyeurism, reasonable force may be used to detain for the police.

Wouldn't be a good idea in my neck of the woods to show up unannounced, if you get past the labs without me or the real Top knowing it you're apt to have a bad day. I'm sure the word is out where I live and shoot though.

Top

639 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:56:18am

re: #545 storagemanager, & #540 realwest

I share your frustration at the UN. But I think I see the souce of the problem differently. The UN needs serious reforming & a whole raft of committees, commissions & agencies should be scrapped. The institution was formed in the aftermath of WWII, to try to come up with an institution that overcame the problems of the League of Nations. The idea is that if you have a hall where everybody can meet and talk, you can avoid wars which start by not talking. They should have stuck to that limited requirement. In my opinion, the problem began with the UN Charter which is full of high-falutin' nonesense about building a better world. People assume just by entering the UN, a member achieves some sort of morally superior status. That's pure BS, but it is a misunderstanding promoted by diplomats, media & academia. Thugs will always be thugs.

The world is full of all kinds of characters and ever will be. Just as the detective in your favorite cop show knows where to go find the bad guys when he wants to talk to them, the US needs a place to go talk to the bad guys in the world. They also need a place to talk to not-so-bad guys to help keep them on the straight and norrow. This has nothing to do with "not having diplomatic relations" with a particular country. The US has no embassy in Cuba, but they do have officials who meet & talk regularly, althought they cannot do many of the functions embassies normally do.

The alternative is to have 2 UN's. One with "our friends" and the other with "the bad guys". Who decides who can belong to which? Can a country belong to both? What's the point of such an arrangement? Would it be better able to solve problems or would it create worse ones? Would it make any difference? Is it a good idea to leave the bad guys alone to cause mischief?

In my opinion, the problem isn't the existance of the UN. The problem is the existance of bad regimes in the world. Kicking them out of the UN won't change that fact. One good reason to keep the UN in New York is the fact that New York is the greatest city in the freest country in the world. Our free media keeps a watch on the clowns at Turtle Bay. Even when the NYT lunches with Ahmadinejad, their critics can condemn them for it. Could you imagine that happening if the UN was in Moscow or Beijing or Paris? Not a chance.

640 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 8:56:42am

re: #622 jcm

I yelled at the nut but did not call the police. I did go to the police department the next day and spoke to the captain. Gave me the old, let the police handle it, blah blah blah and admonishing me about using my gun INSIDE of my home. This guy is constantly screaming at his family (think there may even be physical abuse) and saying nasty things outside his home (presumably at me and he does not like my landlords AT ALL, they're on the other side of me). So one day he's on his roof (our homes are VERY close) and sees me moving my curtain back. Says "I've got an audience". So I put a microphone, inside, on the window sill, which I believe he saw. He's been rather quiet now for about 3 months and no longer says anything out of doors.

641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:00:59am

This Saturday September 29th is the event you've been waiting for:

Furries vs. Klingons in bowling.

Happy Birthday to me!

642 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:01:09am

re: #631 aboo-Hoo-Hoo


Yeah, and those French farmers have been living off CAP subsidies since forever. Did you know CAP accounts for $41% of the EU budget?

643 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:01:53am

re: #620 LanceKates

Yeah, they are normally clearish, I've seen red and blue and clear.... clearly plastic.

I was annoyed to discover after purchasing my first box of Fiocchi 12 gauge .00 shells that they, too, are translucent-white plastic... dumb idea!

So I broke out my snap caps (dummy shells, actually) and drew flash-orange stripes on them with a Sharpie.

644 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:02:25am

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Last night was the first time I've EVER rooted FOR the Braves...

My Mets are REALLY trying to give you Phils the Division title.

645 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:02:45am

re: #638 1SG(ret)

No fence between us and I have no dogs.

Others have called the police on him for whatever reason. I've seen him arrested and back at home in a couple of hours. I think he actually has an "in" with someone at the police department.

/tin foil hat off

646 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:04:14am

re: #480 Carl in Jerusalem

Egyptian military exercise to cross the Suez Canal

So, are they practicing how to retreat faster?

647 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:04:14am

re: #641 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey Hey there, Happy Birthday to you! And may you have many, many more!

648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:04:23am

re: #644 tfc3rid


And Phillies pitching is trying real hard to let you.

649 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:05:05am
650 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:05:44am

re: #642 grayp Um, sorry to display my ignorance once again, but what's a CAP subsidy?

651 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:06:20am

re: #635 jcm

Very true. If I'm going to go to the range with my .22 pistol, I'll check it when I take it out of the safe, then I don't set it down until Put it in the shooting bag.

Then, when I get to the range and am in my lane, I check it again.

hyper paranoid I am.

652 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:07:28am

re: #643 Occasional Reader

smart idea.

Any word on the DC firearms case?

653 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:08:21am

re: #642 grayp

Did you know CAP accounts for $41% of the EU budget?

Forty-one dollar percent?

:P

654 tfc3rid  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:09:48am

re: #648 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

I've never seen a team play SO badly down the stretch... I mean, the NAtionals are kicking our ass...

Although, if the Mets would have won last night I'd write the division over and done with...

I do think that the Phillies are the best team in the NL right now.

655 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:10:15am

re: #645 TimeQuake Um, if you've called the cops on him and if he's been arrested (as opposed to "taken into custody" (which is what most cops do with painintheass drunks) why don't you go to city hall (or wherever) and find out the dispostion of his case (arrests always cause a "case file" to be opened.
In most jurisdictions, x number of arrests will land your ass in the pokey - if he's exceeded that number, write to the Chief of Police and if y'all don't get a satisfactory answer, write to your local paper.

656 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:10:41am

re: #650 realwest

Common Agricultural Policy, aka massive farm subsidies.

657 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:11:14am

re: #650 realwest

re: #642 grayp Um, sorry to display my ignorance once again, but what's a CAP subsidy?

Common Agricultural Policy

re: #653 Occasional Reader

re: #642 grayp


Did you know CAP accounts for $41% of the EU budget?

Forty-one dollar percent?

:P

Yeah. What's it to ya?

658 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:12:43am

re: #631 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

French PM Fillon tells farmers 'France is broke'

La cochon volant!

659 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:13:21am

re: #657 grayp Thanks! Um do those CAP's come from the French or from the EU?

660 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:14:42am

grayp, speaking of dollar percent, please see what you can do to get the greenback boosted up a bit against the Euro by spring of next year... we're planning a vacation. Thanks!

661 Occasional Reader  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:15:53am

re: #659 realwest

re: #657 grayp Thanks! Um do those CAP's come from the French or from the EU?

From the EU, mostly. Grayp, correct me if I'm wrong here, but the EU's ag subsidies make ours look like child's play, at least in proportional terms.

662 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:16:29am

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Hi there {grayp} I'm still around but I'm now working fulltime which is making me extra brain dead at this time of night, so I read but don't post as I can't engage my brain to write something intelligent

Also LGF has been a bit flaky for me lately - the other night I was all set to post, and no LGF!

663 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:19:15am

Hey, {All Y'all}

Aussie! Good to see ya', gf!

664 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:20:32am

re: #662 aussiemagpie Hey, good evening/early morning to you! Glad to see you out here!
As to your problems with LGF, don't take it personally, Charles has been making improvements to the already best blog in the blogsphere and it may be that you were trying to get on while he was putting in another improvement!
Hope all is well for you and yours!

665 TimeQuake  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:22:42am

re: #655 realwest

Wonderful idea, thanks, Champ.

666 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:23:44am

re: #662 aussiemagpie

G'day from Down Under to {everyone}

Hi there {grayp} I'm still around but I'm now working fulltime which is making me extra brain dead at this time of night, so I read but don't post as I can't engage my brain to write something intelligent

Also LGF has been a bit flaky for me lately - the other night I was all set to post, and no LGF!

In absolute terms also. But CAP is not just about subsidies, it's also about land use. They've got some 10% set-aside rule (10% of the land lies fallow). Now I don't know about you, but if I have to let 10% of my land fallow, it ain't going to be the best land I've got.

Well, grain, soy, corn prices are thru the roof, everything - at least in the UK - that had been held back in reserve has already been sold on the market in a futile attemp to keep prices down. So they're going to lift the set-aside hoping farmers will plant more of the stuff.

Except it's just about winter now, last I checked. And as I said, the fallow land is not the most productive.

Don't even get me started on the Common Fisheries Policy.

And foot and mouth disease? Another outbreak. They won't vaccinate. They'll just kill every animal w/in a 20 mile radius.

Nuke mecca, my ass. Try Brussels.

aussiemagpie, hi darls! how be you? We've missed you. At least drop in to say 'hey' every so often. What's the new job?

667 grayp  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:24:57am

LOL! That was supposed to be for OR's #661.

coffee.................

668 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:27:15am

re: #652 LanceKates
You might find this interesting.

669 J.S.  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:28:36am

re: #639 Kenneth

I listened to an analysis (it was on CNN) about the United Nations. I don't think the UN can be reformed. And this opinion that the UN is non-reformable is echoed by a number of other people. Including (it's suspected, GW Bush). According to this theory, Bush sent in Bolton to reform the UN -- that attempt failed. Remember also the attempt to reform the Human Rights Commission (the only "change", I believe was a change in the name -- the committee itself actually got worse.)

In a way, this is an even more damning indictment of the UN -- that is, that the institution is simply irrelevant and nobody cares what happens at the UN. (Perhaps, knowing that the UN is a do-nothing, good-for-nothing organization (in Bush's latest address to the UN) Bush refused to mention any of the most pressing of the world's problems -- such as what if Iran acquires nukes? what happens when the U.S. leaves Iraq? etc. -- instead Bush focused on Burma, and HIVaids, and "poverty." All soft issues. This sends the message that if you want something done, it'll be done unilaterally. (can't get consensus...can't trust the Security Council...the UN is only good for the bad guys to engage in stalling tactics...etc.)

So just as the League of Nations died, so I suspect the UN will go also die (down the road towards irrelevance).

670 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:31:51am

re: #663 redstateredneck

Hi there darls! Good to see you too :-)

671 Kenneth  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:33:33am

re: #669 J.S.

Sadly, I think you're right. The only way the UN could reform is if all the member countries wanted it to reform. And that's going to happen approximately never. I'm all in favour of letting it wither away. Axe the committees & agencies. All that should be left is a hall, a microphone & some water glasses.

672 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:36:21am

re: #664 realwest

Hi darls - yes I've been reading about all the changes including those little ticks, and the banning stick being used a fair bit as well!

673 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:43:49am

re: #666 grayp

Hi there! Thanks for your explanation about the farm subsidies etc

And it's the same job only with more hours - I'm the nurse at the surgery AND the practice manager as well

I did retire 3 years ago - now I've gone from retirement to part time to full time work !

674 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:54:52am

Now who would possibly climb Mt Everest, and take there clothes off?

NUDITY could be outlawed on the world's tallest mountain complaints about the number of climbers attempting to reach its summit without clothes

Nepalese mountaineering authorities are reportedly outraged that people were ditching their clothes on Mount Everest, which is worshipped by some villagers.

President of Nepal Mountaineering Association Ang Tshering told AP that following last year’s record by a Nepali climber, who claimed the world's highest display of nudity while standing on the 8,850m summit in temperatures about minus 10 degrees Celsius, restrictions should be implemented.

Good heavens!

675 m  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:55:53am

re: #669 J.S.

So just as the League of Nations died, so I suspect the UN will go also die (down the road towards irrelevance).

Faster please.

676 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 10:00:59am

Happy Lunch Hour!

677 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 10:05:42am

re: #668 UFO TOFU

Interesting. One fear I have is that the liberal courts will stop looking at the 'militia' idea and recognize that the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right that congress shall make no law to infringe upon.

However, I fear that they will say that this gives the courts the right to regulate gun ownership as they are not congress.

678 aussiemagpie  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 10:24:52am

Nightynight from Down Under! It's almost 3.30am so it's bedtime!

G'day {Lancekates} {coz} and {m}

679 realwest  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 10:28:36am

re: #677 LanceKates Uh, hi there my friend. You should know that the US Constitution explicitiy states that any powers not granted (or prohibited from the Federal Government), shall be given to the various States and the people.
That's fairly close to an exact quote. The Congress can not give it to the Courts. The courts could only decide that the second amendment prohibits private gun ownership, except for those in a "well-regulated" militia, which has been interpreted to mean the individual State's Nation Guards.
Thus it is up to the individual states to regulate (or not) private gun ownership. Unless SCOTUS decides that gun ownership was intended by the Founding Fathers to mean only to a well regulated militia (i.e., the National Guards) and I seriously doubt that THIS SOCTUS would ever reach such a decision.
It's currently up to each state and I suspect it's going to stay that way.

680 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 10:35:15am

re: #679 realwest

Well, some SC members have gone so far as to say that they should make decisions based on the laws of other countries, rather than our own laws.

So, I never put anything past such a liberal organization as our courts.

Besides, look at all of the OTHER things the federal government has taken control of that it never had the power to do (especially with people screaming for the federal government to take over healthcare now as well.)

eh, Never trust the left to be behind you, unless they have a knife. Then trust what you know they are going to do behind your back. *grin*

681 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:01:54am

back!

and this time I've got wood!

682 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:02:35am

*crickets*

683 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:05:56am

/went to Menards

684 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:07:14am

re: #681 coz

Over the weekend, the movie "Shaun of the Dead" was on. A kind of comedy zombie movie.

The lead character's friend, during the whole movie, is wearing a t-shirt that shows trees in the background and has written on it "I've got wood"

685 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:08:24am

re: #683 coz

I used to work at Menards. My first real job. Started in the Floorcoverings department, where I discovered that constantly being around the carpets (specifically the chemical they put in the carpets to protect them from bugs) makes me really sick.

So after a couple months there I was moved to the millwork area, where I learned doors, windows and kitchen cabinets.

686 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:11:42am

I have never been to Menard's (don't have them in the South), but I remember Lance saying that it was like Home Depot only suckier. For some reason, that stuck in my brain!

687 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:12:25am

Not implying that you got sucky wood, {cozzie}~
Oh, Heaven's no!

688 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:13:59am

re: #685 LanceKates

Menards would be a great job for me if it paid enough. Plus that would be one of those deals where I'd spend my whole check right there at the store.

Kind of like a person with a gambling problem working at a casino.

689 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:14:33am

Bleh, off to chase parts.
Sorry Lance, too busy to discuss that post; sometimes I don't know why I bother to post.
coz
Check this out, death by diamonds and hearts.

690 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:16:14am
and this time I've got wood!


That man's never going to be finished buying diapers.

691 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:17:35am

re: #686 redstateredneck

That's basically it. I put it somewhere between Home Depot and Ace Hardware.

692 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:18:28am

{mom}!

693 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:18:33am

re: #688 coz

Heh... what makes it REALLY bad is that (while I was there anyway) you could 'charge' things to your employee account using your name badge (had a magnetic strip on it like a credit card, for clocking in).... it would be automatically deducted from your check...

talk about dangerous. heh.

694 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:19:09am

re: #689 UFO TOFU

Heh... never a problem. And you can always email me!

695 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:20:16am

Nancy Pelosi is a vile wicked bitch.

Sorry, just needed to get that off my chest.

696 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:21:05am

I'm already putting my vote in for Nancy for Idiotarian of the Year. She really is an idiot. A vile wicked bitch idiot.

697 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:22:43am

re: #696 redstateredneck

now redstate... what did the doctor tell you?

holding in how you really feel is bad for your health. Let it out.

*grin*

698 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 11:24:19am

re: #690 UFO TOFU

LOLOL!

actually I'll never stop fixing my house!

cool article about the suicide by playing cards, btw.

699 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 12:58:17pm
700 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:00:07pm

After evidence emerged that the story’s primary documents were possibly faked or forged, Rather stated on air that “if I knew then what I know now, I would not have gone ahead with the story as it was aired, and I certainly would not have used the documents in question.”
Possibly....possibly? WTF?

701 LanceKates  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 1:11:34pm

re: #700 redstateredneck

heh.. so much for his 'fake but accurate' claim.

*grin*

He's a greedy dolt. The problem is, he may win if he can prove breech of contract.

Then, even though his win would have NOTHING to do with the fake document, it would be used as ammo that the document was real.

702 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:09:05pm
703 UFO TOFU  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:12:42pm

Aw, damnit redstate, I'm half French. I could've gone all freakin' day without that...

704 DP111  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:14:02pm

re: #252 grayp

Hi there grayp. Things are hotting up Europe. SIOE, SIAD and now SIOE in England, have been setup and keeping my spare hours fully occupied.

705 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:25:37pm

re: #703 UFO TOFU

Aw, damnit redstate, I'm half French. I could've gone all freakin' day without that...


I hope it's the top half!
;-p

706 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:30:13pm

29 minutes

707 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:34:13pm

Hey all,

I can now be heard (and seen!) at hearitnow.com

stop by and give me a good rating!

pleeeease.

thanks

708 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:35:21pm

hearitnow / hearitfirst ...whatever

does the link work?

709 coz  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:45:40pm

ok, maybe I'll repost that in the morning.

Good Night!

710 redstateredneck  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 2:45:52pm

Bookmarked it, {cozzie}...no sound on work pc

I'm about outta here for the day.
Muah!

711 EE  Wed, Sep 26, 2007 9:09:37pm
Sheik Wahwah expressed support for violent means to overthrow governments to achieve the group’s aim of a caliphate.

And yet former CIA man Mike Sheuer denies that there is any such thing as a movement for a caliphate. Apparently he has not heard of Hizb ut-Tahrir, even though it is resurging around the world. Nor, for that matter, has he apparently heard of the Ikhwan, the Muslim Brotherhood, or its goals, which also is a movement for a caliphate, and a widespread global movement at that.

Some people go around with their eyes closed or their brains closed. If they work in the CIA, it might explain why we were so unprepared for 9/11.


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