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Australian Hizb Ut-Tahrir Leader Espouses Violent Islamic Revolution

Tue, Sep 25, 2007 at 9:19:31 pm PDT

Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir, as a leader of the radical Islamic supremacist group drops the mask: Islamist ‘leader’ wants revolution.

THE mysterious sheik behind the Australian chapter of Islamist group Hizb ut-Tahrir has revealed the organisation’s support for military coups and revolutions to overthrow non-Muslim governments worldwide.

Ismail Al Wahwah, who was little known until last month when he was banned from a Hizb ut-Tahrir conference in Indonesia, spoke out on an Arabic radio program that revealed him as the “active member” of the group in Australia.

In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values and backed the use of suicide bombings in Iraq and Palestine, even if they killed Australians. “I say any occupied people have the responsibility to defend their country,” he told SBS’s Arabic radio program. “The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

Sheik Wahwah is understood to be the unofficial leader of Hizb ut-Tahrir in Australia. The Australian has obtained the first pictures of the man widely known in the Muslim community as Abu Anas. Hizb ut-Tahrir’s media spokesman, Wassim Doureihi, denied the sheik was the group’s leader in Australia, saying Sheik Wahwah was a senior member and that his brother, Ashraf, a civil engineer at North Sydney Council, was the official leader.

But Sheik Wahwah is sent to address senior members of the Islamic community in Sydney on behalf of Hizb ut-Tahrir, and he was Australia’s representative for the Indonesian conference. On the radio program, he was introduced as the “active member” of the party - a statement he did not correct.

Hizb ut-Tahrir is a secretive organisation known as the Party of Islamic Liberation, which advocates the destruction of Western civilisation and the overthrow of governments and their replacement by Islamic rule. The group is banned in Europe, China and Saudi Arabia, but remains legal in Britain and Australia, actively pushing the idea of a Muslim rule. It has been investigated by ASIO but there is not enough evidence to proscribe it as a terrorist organisation. Five years ago, most Western observers did not consider Hizb ut-Tahrir a serious threat, but its influence has grown and it now has a presence in about 45 countries.

Sheik Wahwah has refused to speak to the mainstream media in Australia. In his radio interview, he said the allegations that the failed London bomb plotters were linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir was another example of the clash of civilisations and the West’s dropping of one of its most basic values - the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Sheik Wahwah expressed support for violent means to overthrow governments to achieve the group’s aim of a caliphate. He said if nations did not respond to the wishes of their people, the people should use all the powers they had, including the army, to usurp the rulers.

“It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner,” he said. “It could be such as a public revolution, public disobedience or a military coup. We are in the front line with the Ummah. We don’t engage in militant activities. Our case is to make the case of Islam the case of the Ummah.”

Now would someone please wake up the Department of Homeland Security?

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1 m  9/25/07 9:21:43 pm reply quote 0
It is statements such as this that have prompted experts, including those at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, to label Hizb ut-Tahrir as a conveyer belt for terrorism.

Ya think?

2 Angel  9/25/07 9:24:02 pm reply quote 1

wake up the DOHS?..naw they need a much needed rest from frisking all the nuns and Baptists at our local airports ya know.

3 Pro-Bush Canuck  9/25/07 9:24:31 pm reply quote 0

Revolution.

That's what the Left wants.

4 yenta-fada  9/25/07 9:25:15 pm reply quote 0

I'm not sure that a such a clear expression of intent will be obvious to whole populations and governments in denial. We might give him a human rights award in Canada for standing up for the oppressed. I'm not kidding.

5 JHW  9/25/07 9:26:12 pm reply quote 1

" he attacked the wests lack of values"
Eventually creeps like him will find out the hard way just what the west`s values are and he wont like it one bit.

6 rabidsquirrel  9/25/07 9:26:19 pm reply quote 0

In other news, water is wet, and the sun rises in the East.

/At least the islamists are predictable.

7 Jimmy The Clam  9/25/07 9:26:33 pm reply quote 1

Who says Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir?
They are as asleep as we are, it's just that neither of us are in a coma like Europe.

8 bikermailman  9/25/07 9:29:00 pm reply quote 0

re: #3 Pro-Bush Canuck

Revolution.

That's what the Left wants.

Funny. I was having that very thought just this morning. Not that they would up and start one, but in with the Perfect Day scenario, if things went FUBAR, I think the professors would be leading a Bolshevik type thing.

9 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 9:31:41 pm 0
10 Deseeded  9/25/07 9:33:26 pm reply quote 0

Bow chicka Wahwah?

So, Hizb ut-Tahrir is laying the groundwork for declaring Australia an "occupied" country and justifying possible future terrorist acts.

11 xenophobic  9/25/07 9:34:02 pm reply quote 0

Charles:
I find myself logged out 8-10 times a day just recently, sometimes when I refresh a thread after a few hours I will have to log back in.
Is this by design? more aggressive garbage collection?

12 yenta-fada  9/25/07 9:34:41 pm reply quote 4

#9 song_and_dance_man

Is there any country on Earth where the Muslims have completely assimilated to the practices of the host nation? I can't think of any.

13 rem1776  9/25/07 9:36:35 pm reply quote 0

Shocking. How did he get so out of step with Islams mainstream? I'm sure he was misquoted.

14 JHW  9/25/07 9:38:27 pm reply quote 0

I`m finding a lot of interesting links from the good people at FaithTreedomInternational

Canadians Want Limits on Accomodating Minorities

15 JHW  9/25/07 9:40:53 pm reply quote 0

Er, that`s FaithFreedomInternational

faithfreedomIntrnational

16 sheik yer'mami  9/25/07 9:42:05 pm reply quote 0

The insurgency is in full swing, Downunder also.

This scum just keeps coming...

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

17 Racer X  9/25/07 9:43:42 pm reply quote 3

I just do not get it. The left eagerly embrace muslim religious fanatics, but Christian Americans are labeled bible thumpers and demonized.

/Shakes head.

18 Buckeye Abroad  9/25/07 9:44:19 pm reply quote 0

OT: Police examine Morocco 'photo of Madeleine' - report

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are examining a photo that could show the British girl in Morocco, Sky News has reported.

The photo of a blonde child being carried on an elderly woman's back was taken by Spanish tourist Clara Torres in the northern Moroccan town of Zinat on August 31, the station said.

White slavery anyone?

19 Buckeye Abroad  9/25/07 9:44:47 pm reply quote 0
20 SnakeSpit  9/25/07 9:45:12 pm reply quote 2

the man widely known in the Muslim community as Abu Anas.

Shouldn't that be Abu ANUS?

21 yenta-fada  9/25/07 9:45:23 pm reply quote 0

Armageddon tired of Islam

22 goodbye_natalie  9/25/07 9:46:16 pm reply quote 0

Well, what is he waiting for. Revolt...

23 pat  9/25/07 9:46:47 pm reply quote 4

Anyone with sense, and so that does not include any Australians but a few, who has read the blogs and information boards of Australian Muslims, realizes that Muslims, particularly Hezbollah related Muslims, feels that they can make Australia part of the ummmah within a generation. Muslims have recently claimed that Australia was initially inhabited by Muslim progenitors and was rediscovered by Muslims, prior to Cook. Further, there is much on the Lebanese webs about the inability of 'whites' to fight back and the ease of rape and burglary. There are instruction manuals (these exist for Canada also) on the the ease of asylum claims and the reticence of the government to deal with Muslims.

24 karmic_inquisitor  9/25/07 9:53:44 pm reply quote 1

Sheik Wah Wah?

It is the ultimate name for seething and whining. No wonder he is their leader.

25 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 9:54:30 pm 0
26 new2thezoo  9/25/07 9:55:17 pm reply quote 0

The Izlamo's are on a roll and can smell blood in the barrier reef. Better get a bigger boat... (insert jaws theme)

27 yenta-fada  9/25/07 10:01:01 pm reply quote 0

Re #24 karmic inquisitor

"Sheik Wah Wah"

Who put the rop in the rop sha bop sha bop
Who put the wah in the wah ma mama ding dang

I'm showing my age. No making fun of Wuslims. Bad infidel. Bad.

28 Psaturn  9/25/07 10:01:30 pm reply quote 0

How come the Aussies are so smart? Just to think they were descendants of English criminals...

29 rusta  9/25/07 10:02:16 pm reply quote 0

After traveling to the south Pacific and having acquaintances with my share of them, most Aussies I know, know how to handle these vermin
BBC: Australians repelled Iranian attempt to abduct sailors in Persian Gulf in March

"The Australians ... to quote one military source, 'were having none of it'."

The actual wording was something to the effect of #&*% Off!

These are the Aussies I know and love

30 FQ Kafir  9/25/07 10:04:13 pm reply quote 0

Yep, he dropped the mask, alright...

Behind it was pure ugly.

31 big L  9/25/07 10:06:54 pm reply quote 0

I thought foreigners had to have a plane ticket home before being allowed to visit Australia.
/where is this guys ticket back and can it be punched.

32 astronmr20  9/25/07 10:07:36 pm reply quote 0

Damn.. Charles is on FIRE today.


Australia is one of those few places I long to visit.

Anyone want to host a yank? I'm potty trained and cook quite well.

33 new2thezoo  9/25/07 10:07:58 pm reply quote 6

OT: (but this is an interesting bit of info about the 'little man's' speech at Columbia...)

...it's curious how Ahmadinejad began the speech....rather than end with a prayer that Allah would hasten the coming of the Islamic Messiah known as the "Mahdi" or the "Twelfth Imam" or the "just and promised One" as he did in 2005 and 2006 in his speeches at the U.N., the Iranian leader actually began the speech this way.... "Oh, God, hasten the arrival of Imam al-Mahdi and grant him good health and victory and make us his followers and those to attest to his rightfulness"....why has he moved the prayer to the front of his remarks?....it's not yet clear, but it's important to note that in 2005, Ahmadinejad was telling colleagues that the end of the world was just two or three years away, and that the way to hasten the coming of the Mahdi was to annihilate Israel and the U.S....that was two years ago....now, he's no longer burying the lead....yet much of the American media is....they don't seem to realize how central Ahmadinejad's Shiite Islamic eschatology (end times theology) is to Iran's current foreign policy....and that's why they are missing how dangerous this regime really is....when the Mahdi arrives on earth, Shiite scholars say he will appear in Mecca and Medina, but where does he go then?.....not to Iran....not to Jerusalem....not to Europe or Russia....he supposedly heads for Iraq -- Kufa, to be specific....that's what Shiite leaders have taught for centuries....and this helps explain why Iran is sending insurgents, weapons and money into Iraq, to create the conditions of chaos and carnage into which the Mahdi can arrive, finish off the U.S. and Israel, and set up a global Islamic caliphate headquartered in Iraq....who's the leading Shiite insurgent in Iraq?....Muqtada al-Sadr....what's the name of his militia?.....the Mahdi Army.....and now you know the rest of the story.

34 towerclimber37  9/25/07 10:08:09 pm reply quote 0

am I reading this right? sheik wah wah?
ahahahahahahahahahaha
someone put a bullet in his ass and be done with this farce...please?

35 BignJames  9/25/07 10:10:23 pm reply quote 1

He said if nations did not respond to the wishes of their people, the people should use all the powers they had, including the army, to usurp the rulers.

What if the people decide they don't like a certain segment of society and take matters in their own hands to rid themselves of that segment? Happened before.

36 sheik yer'mami  9/25/07 10:11:20 pm reply quote -2

Still looking for an image for this c*nt:

[Link: sheikyermami.com...]

37 astronmr20  9/25/07 10:12:26 pm reply quote 2

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38 SnakeSpit  9/25/07 10:14:03 pm reply quote 0

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40 pat  9/25/07 10:17:21 pm reply quote -1

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41 Live4Truth  9/25/07 10:19:50 pm reply quote 0
In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values and backed the use of suicide bombings in Iraq and Palestine

If it weren't so evil, it would be funny:

"You have bad values, so I'll cause as much pain, murder, destruction, and chaos as possible".

Oh yeah, that's an improvement. Thanks a million, sheik. It's really great how much you care about humanity.

Or how about this radical, wacky, craaaazy idea I just came up with, sheik: Create a culture somewhere on the face of the earth where you can live out your new & improved values to the fullest. By your vision, it should be a wonderful place for everyone to live, and then everyone else will eventually adopt that lifestyle (and religion) after seeing how great it is. Call me crazy, but I'd find that a whole lot more persuasive than murdering men women and children who are actually trying to build more civil societies (and succeeding at it, no thanks to you).

42 new2thezoo  9/25/07 10:20:55 pm reply quote -1

#40 pat

I visit Babbazee often. Babba would find this interesting.

43 Globular Cluster  9/25/07 10:21:08 pm reply quote 0

Very funny take on Achmedinajad:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

44 John Schneider  9/25/07 10:21:42 pm reply quote 0

re: #7 Jimmy The Clam

Who says Australia is waking up to the danger of Hizb ut-Tahrir?
They are as asleep as we are, it's just that neither of us are in a coma like Europe.



...ahem...
WE are not asleep. Maybe some pinheaded members of our government are...

45 Highrise  9/25/07 10:22:56 pm reply quote -5

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

46 Highrise  9/25/07 10:23:10 pm reply quote -2

It just seems tacky..sorry.

47 leepro  9/25/07 10:25:22 pm reply quote 0

I don't understand this...

Here is an article I posted last week on another thread. It's from "Moriel Ministries" (whatever that is). I saved an html copy, but the original is no longer cached at their site. It's long, but pretty interesting:

Australian PM Takes A Stand Part 1
Muslims who want to live under Islamic Sharia law were told on Wednesday to get out of Australia, as the Government targeted radicals in a bid to head off potential terror attacks.

A day after a group of mainstream Muslim leaders pledged loyalty to Australia and her Queen at a special meeting with Prime Minister John Howard, he and his Ministers made it clear that extremists would face a crackdown. Treasurer, Peter Costello, seen as heir apparent to Howard, hinted that some radical clerics could be asked to leave the country if they did not accept that Australia was a secular state, and its laws were made by parliament. 'If those are not your values, if you want a country which has Sharia law or a theocratic state, then Australia is not for you', he said on National Television.

'I'd be saying to clerics who are teaching that there are two laws governing people in Australia: one the Australian law and another Islamic law that is false. If you can't agree with parliamentary law, independent courts, democracy, and would prefer Sharia law and have the opportunity to go to another country, which practices it, perhaps, then, that's a better option', Costello said.

Asked whether he meant radical clerics would be forced to leave, he said those with dual citizenship could possibly be asked to move to the other country. Education Minister Brendan Nelson later told reporters that Muslims who did not want to accept local values should 'clear off. Basically people who don't want to be Australians, and who don't want, to live by Australian values and understand them, well then, they can basically clear off', he said.

Separately, Howard angered some Australian Muslims on Wednesday by saying he supported spy agencies monitoring the nation's mosques. Quote: 'IMMIGRANTS, NOT AUSTRALIANS, MUST ADAPT. Take It Or Leave It. I am tired of this nation worrying about whether we are offending some individual or their culture. Since the terrorist attacks on Bali, we have experienced a surge in patriotism by the majority of Australians.' 'However, the dust from the attacks had barely settled when the 'politically correct' crowd began complaining about the possibility that our patriotism was offending others. I am not against immigration, nor do I hold a grudge against anyone who is seeking a better life by coming to Australia.' 'However, there are a few things that those who have recently come to our country, and apparently some born here, need to understand.'

/Part 2 next...

48 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 10:25:49 pm 0
49 leepro  9/25/07 10:26:35 pm reply quote 2
Australian PM Takes A Stand Part 2
'This idea of Australia being a multicultural community has served only to dilute our sovereignty and our national identity. And as Australians, we have our own culture, our own society, our own language and our own lifestyle.'

'This culture has been developed over two centuries of struggles, trials and victories by millions of men and women who have sought freedom'. 'We speak mainly ENGLISH, not Spanish, Lebanese, Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, Russian, or any other language. Therefore, if you wish to become part of our society. Learn the language!'

'Most Australians believe in God. This is not some Christian, right wing, political push, but a fact, because Christian men and women, on Christian principles, founded this nation, and this is clearly documented. It is certainly appropriate to display it on the walls of our schools. If God offends you, then I suggest you consider another part of the world as your new home, because God is part of our culture.'

'We will accept your beliefs, and will not question why. All we ask is that you accept ours, and live in harmony and peaceful enjoyment with us.' 'If the Southern Cross offends you, or you don't like 'A Fair Go', then you should seriously consider a move to another part of this planet. We are happy with our culture and have no desire to change, and we really don't care how you did things where you came from. By all means, keep your culture, but do not force it on others.

'This is OUR COUNTRY, OUR LAND, and OUR LIFESTYLE, and we will allow you every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once you are done complaining, whining, and griping about Our Flag, Our Pledge, Our
Christian beliefs, or Our Way of Life, I highly encourage you take advantage of one other great Australian freedom, 'THE RIGHT TO LEAVE'.' 'If you aren't happy here then LEAVE. We didn't force you to come here. You asked to be here. So accept the country YOU accepted.'

50 rtheyserius  9/25/07 10:26:35 pm reply quote 1
“The victim should not be asked how he is defending himself.”

That is precisely correct. Which is why, one day, Mecca will be nuked.

51 RTLM  9/25/07 10:29:36 pm reply quote -1

Anyone planning a trip to Australia,
I recommend Sydney as your destination. The rates are low at the Gleeb Point area, plus its close to downtown and Kings Cross. Has lots of good restaurants and several pubs too.
Go to the Blue Mountains Nat'l Park and descend the ~800 steps to the valley floor. The town of Katoomba is there and its good for more consumption.

At least it all was in 1991.

52 Spiny Norman  9/25/07 10:33:18 pm reply quote 3

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

Lessee, you been here less than a year, and how did you find this blog? It was promoted on someone's else's blog, wasn't it?

Lighten up, dude.

53 Highrise  9/25/07 10:37:33 pm reply quote -2

re: #52 Spiny Norman

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,
can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

Lessee, you been here less than a year, and how did you find this blog? It was promoted on someone's else's blog, wasn't it?

Lighten up, dude.

No, I found this blog because I searched a news entry.

I think the constant calls to go for other blogs is a bit much..sometimes. Yes, even to people who are babbazees.

that isn't a need to lighten up..it just seems a bit blogwhorish imo.

If you feel diffently..so be it...I feel differently than you and think it's whorish.

54 SnakeSpit  9/25/07 10:37:51 pm reply quote 1

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55 Highrise  9/25/07 10:38:26 pm reply quote -1

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56 John Schneider  9/25/07 10:39:52 pm reply quote 2

re: #45 Highrise

Guys,

can we not promote other blogs just a little out of respect of THIS blog owner?

I think it's not wrong to promote. It's done by this blog owner. Look to th right. There's tons of em.

57 Highrise  9/25/07 10:40:36 pm reply quote 1

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59 Highrise  9/25/07 10:41:26 pm reply quote -2

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60 Cognito  9/25/07 10:41:37 pm reply quote 0
"It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner."


I read this quote a couple of times before I could put my finger on which aspect of it bothers me so much. It's the default assumption that people require "rulers."

Even though the guy is espousing various public revolutions, it's clear he has no true understanding of public will.

61 DesertSage  9/25/07 10:41:44 pm reply quote 1

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67 Bobibutu  9/25/07 10:45:56 pm reply quote 0

re: #58 pink freud

re: #54 SnakeSpit

FWIW Snopes does an entry on this, listing it as true.

[Link: www.snopes.com...]

[Link: 72.14.253.104...]
Cached ... original took some hits I guess.

68 pink freud  9/25/07 10:47:33 pm reply quote 0

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69 John Schneider  9/25/07 10:47:45 pm reply quote 1

re: #59 Highrise

re: #56 John Schneider

No but at times I think it seems a bit much.

Just my observation.

If you are cool with it..it's ok. But I personally don't mind speaking my mind when I think it's a bit on the pimpish side.

I'm definitely ok with it. I have no opinion with you speaking your mind about it. I was mainly making an observation that "pimping" other blogs is done even here by the owner. I'm the free speech guy, after all. I don't worry about what other people say, unless they can't have an informed opinion. Otherwise, they're just making noise.

70 Highrise  9/25/07 10:47:46 pm reply quote 0

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75 RTLM  9/25/07 10:50:30 pm reply quote -1
Sheik Wahwah has refused to speak to the mainstream media in Australia. In his radio interview, he said the allegations that the failed London bomb plotters were linked to Hizb ut-Tahrir was another example of the clash of civilisations and the West’s dropping of one of its most basic values - the presumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Sheik Wahwah. Calling Captain Irony

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84 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 11:03:42 pm 1
85 x-ray  9/25/07 11:04:44 pm reply quote 0

Highrise
I hope this isn't really raising your blood pressure the way it comes across in the writing. life's to short.

86 Highrise  9/25/07 11:06:06 pm reply quote 0

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Highrise
I hope this isn't really raising your blood pressure the way it comes across in the writing. life's to short.


haha my blood pressure is fine :)

I'm a sharp writer. I often have to apologize for my curtness :) .

87 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 11:06:25 pm -1
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90 pat  9/25/07 11:10:09 pm reply quote 0

Back

91 She-ra  9/25/07 11:11:34 pm reply quote 0

OT:
I'm on the east coast trying to sleep but Ahmidinejad keeps waking me up, so I posted this article. What do you all think?

92 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/25/07 11:12:01 pm 3
93 pat  9/25/07 11:12:47 pm reply quote 0

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94 ratman  9/25/07 11:16:12 pm reply quote 0

Abu Anas

LOL

95 marwan's daughter  9/25/07 11:17:26 pm reply quote 0

A question for all of you, even Charles-

Ever get the feeling that we here at LGF are nothing more than witnessing the death by a thousand cuts?

Sorry to be so negative, but I was just wondering. Because even after 9/11, Bali, 7/7, Madrid etc, HuT and other groups like it still operate.

96 JimmyTheClaw  9/25/07 11:19:54 pm reply quote 0

re: #38 SnakeSpit

re: #33 new2thezoo

Speaking of Islamic eschatology, here is a great link that compares Islamic and Christian eschatology side by side. Easy read and simply explained. Lots of knowledge here:
[Link: answering-islam.org...]

but here is the side by side comparison of the mahdi and the anti-christ its chilling especially since i did my best to fact check the islamic side using muslim websites [Link: answering-islam.org...]

97 victor_yugo  9/25/07 11:22:04 pm reply quote 1
In an interview on SBS radio last month, he attacked the West’s lack of values

I suppose those values lacking include Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness?

98 victor_yugo  9/25/07 11:24:20 pm reply quote 1

re: #95 marwan's daughter

Ever get the feeling that we here at LGF are nothing more than witnessing the death by a thousand cuts?

You're not being negative, and you're not the first person to put it into those words. The word is getting out, I promise you. LGF is not simply preaching to the choir.

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105 JimmyTheClaw  9/25/07 11:42:51 pm reply quote 2

minuses for all those that wasted my time by reading blog pimping flame war

106 RTLM  9/25/07 11:47:16 pm reply quote 3

Islamic Fascists are fighting this war like its their Armageddon. We're fighting this war to secure peace, security and the continuance of our way of life.
Islamic Fascism can have its own private end time, just have it by itself.

God Bless our Troops that they fight sand sacrifice to secure my way of life.

107 marwan's daughter  9/26/07 12:00:08 am reply quote 0

Sorry for the pessimistic post above. I'm just worried about a lot of things now.

Here's an OT subject-Looks like Michael Scheur has shown his true colors. Read this POS he wrote for antiwar.com.

108 Cognito  9/26/07 12:07:54 am reply quote 0

re: #84 song_and_dance_man

re: #60 Cognito

"It is up to the Ummah (community) to sort out its own matter with these rulers and remove their ruler in a public manner."

I read this quote a couple of times before I could put my finger on which aspect of it bothers me so much. It's the default assumption that people require "rulers."

Even though the guy is espousing various public revolutions, it's clear he has no true understanding of public will.

Since you are a mincer or words, you may have missed a more nuanced and subtle aspect of what is communicated here.

Can we see a difference between 'these rulers' and 'their rulers"? It seems as though they are saying that the newly removed rulers are not to be bound to the rules of those whom the public once looked to for rules. In other words, new rules are the dominion of those who become new rulers and with that the old rules are tossed out while new rules are replaced by those that previously ruled in a public manner.

If you could, please clarify what you meant by espousing 'various public revolutions'; I think we are on the same page, but I want to be sure before I agee with you. Shirley you must know the detriment of that qualification from where I sit.

Man, to be honest, I have no idea what any of that means. Maybe I'm just too sleepy, which is a sign it's time to head out. :)

109 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  9/26/07 12:08:21 am 0
110 Killian Bundy  9/26/07 12:10:26 am reply quote 3

Afghan clash 'kills 60 Taleban'

/oh, sorry, I forgot, we've already been defeated

112 pat  9/26/07 12:15:09 am reply quote 0

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116 Nadnerb  9/26/07 12:25:24 am reply quote 0

Sheik Wahwah!?!

Wonder if he plays the guitar? Perhaps he's a fan of Judas Priest!

117 Piglet-U93  9/26/07 12:28:20 am reply quote 0

At least its not Taqiyya (lying for Islam).

In a sane world this man would be quickly tried for treason.

118 StarsandStripesForever  9/26/07 12:29:01 am reply quote 0
Five years ago, most Western observers did not consider Hizb ut-Tahrir a serious threat, but its influence has grown and it now has a presence in about 45 countries.

45 countries!. 45. Wake up, America! Homeland Security, FBI, CIA. Hello?!

119 StarsandStripesForever  9/26/07 12:30:20 am reply quote 0

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120 Nadnerb  9/26/07 12:32:40 am reply quote 0
The group is banned in Europe, China and Saudi Arabia, but remains legal in Britain and Australia, actively pushing the idea of a Muslim rule

They aren't banned here though! Why don't we welcome this group of loving, peaceful tolerant individuals. I'd love it if my kids went to school with them......

121 iraqihere  9/26/07 12:42:50 am reply quote 2

Where are the Brits? aren't they going to look after their taxes?

BBCArabic reject any comment I post that says Ahmedinejad lied to Americans when he said there is no homosexuals in Iran, so how we can believe him on his nuclear programs? BBCArabic apparently does not want to let Arabs know, acting in a way more suitable for an Iranian media. IRI-BBC.

Notice they do allow comments accusing Americans of lying, Bush being fool, and the west is fool, but they are right, the west is fool if gonna let their taxes being spent on propaganda for the enemy.

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122 blackpajamas  9/26/07 12:59:20 am reply quote 0

According to RAND,

"U.S. forces can prevail over the conventional forces of any nation, provided the full panoply of U.S. capabilities can be brought to bear."

"Recognizing this, regional adversaries are focusing their military investments on capabilities that can be used to impede U.S. forces from getting to the fight."

They mean China. They say as much. But by regional adversaries my first thought was Michael Moore; at least in terms of sheer throw-weight. However, that is not to discount the Hillary Voters, a spastic gibbering communist voting block unto themselves, but they would certainly never impede our armed forces, now would they?

Clinton: I won't fund Iraq war without withdrawal plan

123 Carl in Jerusalem  9/26/07 1:20:28 am reply quote 3

Good Morning Dead Threaders and Thank You Monica! (Yes, that Monica!)

124 littleoldlady  9/26/07 1:37:54 am reply quote 0

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125 blackpajamas  9/26/07 1:39:40 am reply quote 0

"in RAND Corporation war games featuring conflict with Iran, we do not identify substantial roles for ground and amphibious forces."

That reminds me of at least one that will heed the call,... Tod Von Oben.

126 Fearless Fred  9/26/07 1:43:11 am reply quote 0

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