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Zombie: Folsom Street Fair Orgy

Thu, Oct 4, 2007 at 12:15:39 pm PDT

Zombie’s new photo essay is now online, for better or worse, with a highly appropriate content warning. Don’t click through to the essay if you aren’t prepared for this one, because it confirms everything you might have heard about the Folsom Street Fair, San Francisco, September 30, 2007 Part 1.

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1 mbruce  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:16:37pm

Thank Got it is after noon and I can start drinking before I get in there

2 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:16:39pm

It's not, I repeat, NOT work safe.

3 pat  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:17:26pm

It had to be done. The MSM will never let on.

4 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:18:02pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper


It isn't safe period.

/getting my thorazine injection

aaaaaaah. better

5 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:18:15pm

How on earth is this allowed in a major US city?

6 lefty201  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:18:20pm

Can someone re-do this and make it safe for work? (as if anything coming out of that god forsaken city is safe for anything)

7 Neo Con since 9-11  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:18:38pm

The new main stream of the democratic party. This tells you why I left

8 Dekar  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:18:53pm

I am happy I haven't eaten lunch yet.

9 eclectic infidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:19:05pm

No Folsom Street Fair would be complete without a vendor for the Baby Jesus Butt Plug. It's the sort of event where I always run into old faces from years ago.

Good times, good times.

10 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:19:13pm

as I mentioned in the other thread : Zombie, you are unequaled on the whole of the internet, the brilliance of the photos, but especially in the subtle commentary. you have a gift

bravo

11 Spider Mensch  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:19:45pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

It's not, I repeat, NOT work safe.

it's not home safe either. at least if you have a wife, kids, any domesticated pets, neighbors, basically if you live within 10 miles of any decent human being....all that said, kudos to Zombie on bravery if nothing else.

12 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:20:35pm

Okay, I can understand getting away with the costumes, animal masks, vinyl sensory deprivation suits, pink monsters etc., .. but public sex? Wow. Just wow.

13 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:21:31pm

Pelosi's district, isn't it ?

14 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:21:58pm
Notice how Divine Interventions purposely makes blasphemous dildos mocking all major religious except Islam. It's easy to taunt people that you don't actually fear. I'll start to respect them on the day they make a Mohammed the Penetrator dildo or Anal Probe Allah.

my thoughts exactly

15 Ellen  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:04pm

Mrs. Patrick Campbell once said that the English don't care what you do as long as you don't do it out in the street and scare the horses.

This is pretty darn scary. Not to mention blasphemous. But then it only offends Christians, so that's all right.

I swear, I am about to become homophobic.

16 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:13pm

Saudi Arabia would have a problem with this 'fair'.

17 tripster  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:28pm

The level of moral depravity is just incredible.

That is a most vile and heinous event.

What a bunch of sick f#cks.

Have you no sense of decency!

18 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:37pm

Zombie, I have not gone to the site yet, at work.

I predict this will be your biggest so far.

19 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:45pm

"You were not made to live like animals,
But to follow the path of virtue and knowledge"

— Dante.

20 Maximu§[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:22:47pm
21 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:23:24pm

How about the guy in Pt. 2 wearing the 'zombie' t-shirt with the corn cob. That IS a corn cob, isn't it?

22 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:24:05pm

re: #13 sefton

"San Francisco Values"

— liability for the Democrats.

23 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:24:17pm

re: #13 sefton

Pelosi's district, isn't it ?

Whoopi wants to do her hubby.

24 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:24:51pm

re: #23 MandyManners

re: #13 sefton


Pelosi's district, isn't it ?

Whoopi wants to do her hubby.

And her too, if I read correctly.

25 insanity police  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:25:33pm

Who needs T & A when Zombie is providing the D & B?

/sarc. barf.

26 jcm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:26:06pm

Does SF even have lewd conduct statutes?

27 MandyManners[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:26:41pm
28 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:26:54pm

Please return to the Ayaan Hirsi Ali thread after mocking this stupidity.

29 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:26:55pm

OMG - furries in part two!

30 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:06pm

re: #24 Honorary Yooper

re: #23 MandyManners


re: #13 sefton

Pelosi's district, isn't it ?

Whoopi wants to do her hubby.

And her too, if I read correctly.

Forgot that one.

31 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:21pm

So, have we become Rome before the fall or Sodom ?
If your leaving San Francisco don't dare to look back.
Pillar of salt and all that.

32 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:27pm

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

33 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:37pm

re: #26 jcm

Does SF even have lewd conduct statutes?

Only for our military members. Uniforms are not allowed.

34 eclectic infidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:42pm

I most definitely agree, Divine Interventions ought to produce a Muhammad dildo or something to that effect. Still, I think the BJBP is a clever idea.

35 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:48pm

And of course, San Francisco has a problem with the Marines and the Blue Angles.

36 insanity police  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:51pm

OMG! SICK.

Charles, you need more than one warning!

37 canadianally  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:27:57pm

Please state once again what national politican advocated this madness? Was it, in fact, Pelosi?

38 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:28:02pm

Zombie has the potential to be a superstar...stuff like this could bring down the Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein regime...all HAIL!

39 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:28:05pm

Traffic is slow here right now.

40 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:28:10pm

re: #7 Neo Con since 9/11,

Nancy Pelosie's San Francisco Values on, ahem, display.

41 doppelganglander  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:28:52pm

I just can't look. There's not enough eye bleach in the world.

42 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:28:52pm

re: #38 albusteve

May it touch Hillary as well.

43 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:29:16pm

I'm suddenly saddened by all of that sick shit.

44 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:29:38pm

re: #26 jcm

Does SF even have lewd conduct statutes?

who knows...but I bet Podunk Kansas does and when they see this the'll go threu the roof...somehow this has got to go mainstream...just sayin

45 zombie[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:29:38pm
46 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:17pm

Religious sex toys.. hmmm... sad but predictable.

What? No Mohammed nipple clamps?

/stomps foot

Slackers! Cowards!

47 Pawn of the Oppressor[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:27pm
48 Duke6855  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:34pm

Zombie, how are you able to blend in to stuff like this? I know you keep your real identity way on the down low, but...

I guess you shouldn't actually respond to this to keep from being exposed (no pun intended) at events like this. It's impressive regardless, keep up the good work!

49 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:53pm

re: #42 Ojoe

re: #38 albusteve

May it touch Hillary as well.


yeah...SPLAT!...

50 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:53pm

Good Lord. These people have no shame

51 Charles[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:30:59pm
52 Thanos  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:31:00pm

Someone mentioned Miller Beer in the previous thread as sponsor, just a reminder this isn't the first time they've stepped in it.
[Link: noblesseoblige.org...]

53 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:31:08pm
54 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:31:21pm

Celebrate diversity perversity.

55 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:31:40pm

I've never been more ashamed or more disgusted to be a part of the human race. I sure am glad I live in fly over country. There is no bottom to the well of human depravity, perversion, and sickness.

56 crazytraveler  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:31:46pm

You guys are a bunch of prudes. ;)

Just kidding. I've seen and done things that would make dark men blush, and even this makes me feel uneasy. Just... wow.

57 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:32:18pm

re: #41 doppelganglander

I'm debating whether or not I can handle it. I'm pretty open minded about homosexuality but there's some stuff I don't want to see.

58 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:32:22pm

re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt


OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.

59 albusteve[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:32:23pm
60 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:32:46pm

re: #48 Duke6855

Zombie, how are you able to blend in to stuff like this? I know you keep your real identity way on the down low, but...

I guess you shouldn't actually respond to this to keep from being exposed (no pun intended) at events like this. It's impressive regardless, keep up the good work!


ssshhh! its a secret!

61 Dustoff-507  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:32:55pm

Mandy...

Find in Fire men in the pictures? (-:

/I'm bad

62 tripster[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:33:15pm
63 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:33:24pm

funny to see them all lining up to get their Hepatitis A and B vaccinations, all the while so many of them giving each other Hepatitis C ( a much more sinister virus ) !

64 Osama Bin Porkchop  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:33:26pm

Those pics should be used instead of syrup of ipecac.....

65 tempest67  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:33:51pm

...i love how the site is completely unresponsive because everybody wants to check out the leather-clad sodomites caught in the act. look closely, people, then return to tut-tut about how evil it is!

66 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:33:58pm

If an earthquake swallowed the place whole I would not be surprised.

/heh, I said swallowed.

67 rastajenk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:01pm

I always thought one of the gay agenda's mantras was, what goes on in the bedroom is nobody else's business. Apparently, it is everybody's business.

68 dentate  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:03pm

"I Left My HeartPart in San Francisco...."

69 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:06pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

re: #41 doppelganglander

I'm debating whether or not I can handle it. I'm pretty open minded about homosexuality but there's some stuff I don't want to see.

oh jump in Kilgore...its your intellectual responsibility!

70 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:34pm

Zombie You got an X Rated picture on page 2 Clean up

71 zombie[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:54pm
72 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:34:56pm

OT, but in case anyone needs a moment to reset their eyes after viewing the Folsom pics, this might be a little mental break:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Bottom line - kid won't cut his hair for religious reasons, school says "too bad," parent sues, ACLU is involved. Really, do you think this is what the ACLU had in mind when they were founded to keep people from being shot when they tried to sign up to vote? I am NO ACLU fan, but I think that this is low even for them - they used to have SOME moral compass, and were founded for basically decent reasons...this is a joke.

73 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:03pm

recreational sodomy! It's what makes America great!

74 mbruce  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:04pm

These are people that shaming has absolutely no effect on , they are truly lost to anything decent.

75 tommygum  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:18pm

Did I see Olbermutt in there?

76 jcm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:19pm

re: #55 AirForceWife

I've never been more ashamed or more disgusted to be a part of the human race. I sure am glad I live in fly over country. There is no bottom to the well of human depravity, perversion, and sickness.

Tsk, Tsk! So judgmental, it's just an alternative lifestyle, and all lifestyles are equally valid.
/extreme sarc

77 Tumulus11  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:35pm

. A variety of serious pathologies on display there for all to see, including children.

78 beholden  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:40pm

What an embarrassment. These people are really disturbed.

79 sheik yer'mami  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:35:53pm

Not impressed.

I was looking for some Muhammad dildo's, but these bitches go only where they don't get slapped.

80 Dustoff-507  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:07pm

This kills me. These people want to be respected!

81 joshlawless  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:14pm

I did not, and I mean NOT, need to see that. Wow.

Must . . . pluck out . . .eyes

82 NJDhockeyfan  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:23pm

Which page is Nodrog on?

83 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:26pm

OK!


Whew!

Found a sliver of bandwdith and uploaded.

You can visit the page now. (I think.)

Close call!

84 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:31pm

The properties of the picture that needs editing is
[Link: www.zombietime.com...]

I took the extension off so nobody can click on this post.

85 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:49pm

TO: God
RE: How....

...much longer Lord?

Love,

Chuck

86 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:36:50pm

re: #58 Catttt

re: #32 MandyManners


re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.

Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

87 jcm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:03pm

re: #73 Ayatollah Ghilmeini

recreational sodomy! It's what makes America great!

Stop, spew and choke in the middle of a meeting.

88 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:08pm

We are surely living in the end times.

89 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:18pm

re: #82 NJDhockeyfan

Which page is Nodrog on?


thats him in the dainty little plaid driving cap...

90 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:27pm

They do not have this phenomenon in Iran.

91 sheepdog  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:39pm

Now we know where all the Iranian homosexuals are

92 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:37:44pm

re: #61 Dustoff-507

Mandy...

Find in Fire men in the pictures? (-:

/I'm bad

I just skipped through. I saw enough to get mad and sad.

93 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:05pm

Miller Beer gives new meaning to the old drinking toast bottoms up.

94 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:12pm

1) What was with the fully-dressed, clean-cut, flag-carrying "Grunts" in Part Two?

2) (deep breath, gulp, but here goes) This stuff looks yucky but harmless to me. I just don't care, as long as kids are kept away.

95 maddogg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:15pm

Well folks, people laugh because I am from Arkansas, but if San Francisco is hip, its great to be hick.

96 Thanos  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:29pm

What would the reaction of the press be if this were hetero-sexuals performing the same acts in a public park?

97 MandyManners[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:32pm
98 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:32pm

re: #90 sefton,

Of course not. They kill people like this in Iran. Which explains why people like this support Iran over the USA, doesn't it?

99 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:38:48pm

I guess we should be happy we live in a country where you can whack off in public without repercussions?

...Right?

Somebody tell me we're OK, please.

I had a friend once in school who said he once went into a porn shop with a movie booth and did his thing in there because "It was the ultimate freedom" to walk into a place off the street, pleasure yourself, and leave. I don't think he has anything on these guys.

100 tripster  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:00pm

re: #86 MandyManners

re: #58 Catttt

re: #32 MandyManners


re: #29 Catttt


OMG - furries in part two!


Furries? What?


Pleasures of the Fur.

Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

There was an episode of CSI that dealt with Furries. I thought that was wild, boy I didn't know the half of it.

101 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:00pm

re: #86 MandyManners

re: #58 Catttt


re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.

Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

I can't tell you that. :) I know about this because of a CSI episode, btw. :)

102 jcm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:02pm

re: #92 MandyManners

re: #61 Dustoff-507

Mandy...

Find in Fire men in the pictures? (-:

/I'm bad

I just skipped through. I saw enough to get mad and sad.

And to think people brought their kids.
*spit*

103 Eagle  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:20pm

Hmmm, there really is something to be said about "The Death of the Grown Up". A lot of the people in these pictures are just children looking for attention.

Also, I didn't see any Mohammet dildoes. I wonder why?

Oh yeah, that religion is off limits....

104 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:23pm

re: #86 MandyManners

re: #58 Catttt


re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.

Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.


I take it you don't watch entourrage on HBO?

105 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:25pm

re: #65 tempest67

...i love how the site is completely unresponsive because everybody wants to check out the leather-clad sodomites caught in the act. look closely, people, then return to tut-tut about how evil it is!

What the fuck is your problem?

106 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:39:51pm

Hey there zombie :)

You have a strong stomach, and steel for eyes. I appreciate your going into battle like this, I really do. However, I think I will take Charles' word for it on its offensive nature. I think I get the general tone without taking an actual peek.

Now - for a really nice nap pre-Cubs game.......

107 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:40:14pm

i do think that was tom cruise in the black patent leather thigh high puss-in-boots boots.

108 Eagle  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:40:44pm

re: #71 zombie

Aggh! Stop trying to access the page!

I need to upload a 4kb file and I can't access the server because of traffic overload!

There is no index file, and no web page to view!

Can't ... resist ... freak ... show!

109 Spiritualized  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:40:57pm

Absolutely shocking.....I've never seen so many ugly, pasty people in one place.

110 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:01pm

And congressmen have to resign for tapping on bathroom stalls? This is Nancy's people. For some reason I think it is a GOOD thing they are so anti military. I don't plan to visit there anytime soon. I suggest sending some inquiries to the chamber of commerce along with explanation of why your company can't hold their convention/meeting there.

111 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:02pm

re: #100 tripster

re: #86 MandyManners


re: #58 Catttt

re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.

Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

There was an episode of CSI that dealt with Furries. I thought that was wild, boy I didn't know the half of it.

Ha. And they say that TV isn't educational.

112 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:11pm

re: #88 Ringo the Gringo

We are surely living in the end times.


nah...its just illegal perverted fun...I had a blast at the Toronto gay parade one year...its not for the faint hearted but its a very unusual 'study in cultural anthropology'...no I dont condone it but it is what it is and we'll all survive....

113 Whippet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:28pm

The pictures that Zombie can get on a stroll down the streets of San Francisco prove the extreme bias of our media. This disgusting display is there for everyone to see, yet the media doesn't even mention it. If this were to hit the nightly news programs, the only votes the democrats would ever get again are from these people who feel it's totally appropriate for them to parade their private sexual agenda in public. Our media knows it, therefore keeps this silent. We can only imagine how much else goes on that we will never see... Thanks Zombie for all you do.

114 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:42pm

re: #109 Spiritualized,

Yeah, why is it that the ugly people in SF want to take their clothes off so badly?

115 june_july  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:41:49pm

Meh. It looks like a pathetic cry for attention. Children should not be exposed to it, but frankly worse goes on in bars, strip joints, and back alleys every day in every city in the US, while the police looks away.

So, whatever...

But if kids are there, the Children's Aid Society needs to be called.

116 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:42:18pm

San Francisco, more than fifty years since Jack Kerouac arrived, and they're still trying to freakout the squares.

A city of idiots and mental-cases.

117 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:42:20pm

re: #94 squarepeg

1) What was with the fully-dressed, clean-cut, flag-carrying "Grunts" in Part Two?

2) (deep breath, gulp, but here goes) This stuff looks yucky but harmless to me. I just don't care, as long as kids are kept away.

Harmless? How many billions have we spent on HIV research because of this kind of degraded mindset and behavior?

118 Spiritualized  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:42:23pm

Were Queers for "Palestine" there? I hear they want to hold this event in downtown Ramallah next year.

119 insanity police  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:42:47pm

re: #103 Eagle

Also, I didn't see any Mohammet dildoes. I wonder why?

Oh yeah, that religion is off limits....

If islamists catch one of those guys with a MoDildo, which head do you think they cut off?

120 galtg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:09pm

on behalf of all conservatives:

THANK YOU FOR BEING LIBERALS..

how can anyone want to be on the same side of any issue as these cretins?

121 Honorary Yooper  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:10pm

re: #38 albusteve

Zombie has the potential to be a superstar...stuff like this could bring down the Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein regime...all HAIL!

If we want to do that, and make a really big stir, sending the link to Drudge could be an option.

/just sayin', I'm sure the rest of the country might like to know

122 tripster  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:19pm

re: #107 nyc redneck

i do think that was tom cruise in the black patent leather thigh high puss-in-boots boots.

Impossible. According to South Park he won't come out of the closet.

123 ointmentfly  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:20pm

The lengths to which the 1-10% of the population will go to attract mates. Gee, I wonder why there are no chicks? Even lesbians know that by and large, gay men are a pretty fucked up bunch. They just don't have that cultural barometer hetero men have called women.

124 WindHorse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:24pm

average emotional age of people at this event = 11.

125 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:27pm

re: #100 tripster

I'm not even gonna' look into furries. My brain can't take any more.

126 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:32pm

what is it with lots of facial hair and shaved scrotums in San Francisco?

/please don't answer.

127 dentate  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:43:47pm

re: #119 insanity police

No, no. No head chopping for them. With Arafish gone, they need new recruits to carry on the tradition.

128 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:19pm

TO: All
RE: Uuuuhhhh....

If I were a christian living in SF....

...I'd remember the story of Lot...and get the 'flock' out of there.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
P.S. Didn't Prescient Pat say something really bad was going to happen this Fall? Something involving a tidal wave?

Anyone here ever read Niven and Pournelle's Lucifer's Hammer?

It wouldn't have to be a 'live' comet. It could be an undetected asteroid or an extinct comet. And it wouldn't have to be very big, either. Might even be a Tunguska event, like the one suspected to have occurred over Sodom and Gomorrah. Or it could be an oceanic impact that generates a tidal wave.

We'll see.... Time will tell whether Pat is once again, 'spot on'.

129 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:25pm

re: #119 insanity police

re: #103 Eagle

Also, I didn't see any Mohammet dildoes. I wonder why?

Oh yeah, that religion is off limits....

If islamists catch one of those guys with a MoDildo, which head do you think they cut off?

First?

130 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:47pm

re: #102 jcm

re: #92 MandyManners


re: #61 Dustoff-507

Mandy...

Find in Fire men in the pictures? (-:

/I'm bad


I just skipped through. I saw enough to get mad and sad.

And to think people brought their kids.
*spit*

Heaven help them. I hope they grow up to be Republicans.

131 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:49pm

I look forward to checking this out later. Unbelievable busy day at work and now I have several appointments before I even get to making dinner and seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game.

Thanks to everyone who visited today. The LGF-alanche, Insta-lanche and Rush plug have kept my hamsters busy. Over 6000 visits and counting, which is considered a great day for a little guy like me. Hopefully it's linked at rushlimbaugh.com later.

132 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:53pm

re: #112 albusteve

I've been to the gay pride parade in LA a few times but I've never seen anything like this display.

it is what it is

I can't argue with that.

133 insanity police  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:54pm

re: #127 dentate

LOL

134 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:55pm

So when it's time to unlatch,
one beer's for queers
Queer after queer.
Miller tastes too good to
Fury through.
If you've got the time
We've got he queers.
Miller queers.

/San Francisco, Calipornia.(Leave Milwaukee out of it.)

135 Bad Penny  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:44:55pm

Saturday or Sunday I was on the BART train coming home from the A's game and there was a guy on the train carrying a swag bag from the fair. It was from "Elbow Grease: Personal Lubricants". He was pretty gross.
That was enough for me; I'm not clicking through. It's bad enough I have to come to SF everyday for work.

136 canadianally  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:45:18pm

How is this related to the Democrats teaching this to 2-year-olds? /sarc

137 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:45:30pm

re: #104 Shug

I don't have HBO. The crap I see on regular cable is enough.

138 WindHorse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:45:32pm

mental midget attention whores.... (Nancy must be beaming with pride)

139 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:45:49pm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

re: #38 albusteve


Zombie has the potential to be a superstar...stuff like this could bring down the Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein regime...all HAIL!

If we want to do that, and make a really big stir, sending the link to Drudge could be an option.

/just sayin', I'm sure the rest of the country might like to know

I'd send it National Enquirer and then to the less reputable rags on down the line...it'd take awhile but it could happen

140 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:45:50pm

re: #131 JammieWearingFool

I look forward to checking this out later. Unbelievable busy day at work and now I have several appointments before I even get to making dinner and seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game.

Thanks to everyone who visited today. The LGF-alanche, Insta-lanche and Rush plug have kept my hamsters busy. Over 6000 visits and counting, which is considered a great day for a little guy like me. Hopefully it's linked at rushlimbaugh.com later.

Congratulations, Jammie. You deserve it.

142 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:46:41pm

re: #131 JammieWearingFool


can you access the audio archives, and at least hear your segment?
It was pretty good. I heard it live.


maybe he can autograph his show transcript and you can hang it on your wall.

I would

143 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:46:41pm

You know, I don't think this really bothers me, except that there might be kids there.

The penis gallery was funny. Zombie keeps a sense of humor, because (s)he/it has to.

A guy with an Obama 08 sign! BWAHAHAHAA

144 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:47:04pm

The dick pics and spankings don't shock me, but the furries give me the willies, to tell you the truth.

145 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:47:45pm

I hope someone has emailed a link of zombies report to Miller Brewing Co.

146 thebronze  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:47:56pm

That sucked!

I was hoping for hot lip-stick lesbians...

If San Fransicko falls into the ocean tomorrow, it won't be soon enough for me.

147 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:48:16pm

seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game

148 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:48:27pm

#117 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:42:20 pm reply quote report

Harmless? How many billions have we spent on HIV research because of this kind of degraded mindset and behavior?

A hell of a lot more than any amount ever spent on cancer research or for any other disease.

149 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:48:51pm

re: #147 albusteve

seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game

There is only one team that matters.

And everyone knows who they are.

150 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:49:30pm

re: #144 Catttt


those pics made me itch.
I can't imagine how itchy those furry costumes must be.

If I was a demented perv, I'd definately go for the leather look. .

151 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:49:33pm

Here' s a beauty break for those who are in need of a palate cleansing.

152 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:49:34pm

re: #141 NoSubmission

OT
Barak Hussein Obama Won't Wear American Flag Pin Anymore

Okay I can't access the web site. So what is his rationale? Just what country is trying to be president of?

153 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:49:36pm

re: #140 mama winger

re: #131 JammieWearingFool


I look forward to checking this out later. Unbelievable busy day at work and now I have several appointments before I even get to making dinner and seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game.

Thanks to everyone who visited today. The LGF-alanche, Insta-lanche and Rush plug have kept my hamsters busy. Over 6000 visits and counting, which is considered a great day for a little guy like me. Hopefully it's linked at rushlimbaugh.com later.


Congratulations, Jammie. You deserve it.

Hey mama winger, thanks. You doing OK? Sorry about your Cubbies last night. No idea what Sweet Lou was thinking.

Gotta run. BBL

154 sefton  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:03pm

They weren't drinking Miller HighLife.
More like Miller LowLife.

155 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:22pm

re: #145 Ringo the Gringo

I hope someone has emailed a link of zombies report to Miller Brewing Co.

BOYCOTT MILLER!

156 tempest67  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:24pm

re: #105 MandyManners

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

157 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:28pm

re: #148 AirForceWife

#117 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:42:20 pm reply quote report

Harmless? How many billions have we spent on HIV research because of this kind of degraded mindset and behavior?

A hell of a lot more than any amount ever spent on cancer research or for any other disease.

I agree with your general sentiment. A beneficial by-product of AIDS research however has been a better understanding of auto-immune disorders like Lupus. It won't come soon enough for me, but maybe for my daughter.

158 Ayatollah Ghilmeini  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:31pm

this is what you call too much information

159 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:31pm

re: #147 albusteve

seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game

your a good American amigo hahaha!...and kudos on the blog thing!

160 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:35pm

re: #144 Catttt

The dick pics and spankings don't shock me, but the furries give me the willies, to tell you the truth.

You are not alone.

[Link: furry.wikia.com...]

161 Iron Fist  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:50:54pm

re: #152 Just_A_Grunt,

The Islamic Republic of Ameristan.

162 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:14pm

re: #152 Just_A_Grunt

re: #141 NoSubmission
OT
Barak Hussein Obama Won't Wear American Flag Pin Anymore

Okay I can't access the web site. So what is his rationale? Just what country is trying to be president of?


Must be overloaded. I can't see it either, Drudge has it linked on his headline. Give it a few..

163 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:15pm

re: #2 Honorary Yooper

It's not, I repeat, NOT work safe.

Thanks for the warning; I'll wait until I'm home and have access to a barf bag.

164 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:20pm

re: #55 AirForceWife

I've never been more ashamed or more disgusted to be a part of the human race. I sure am glad I live in fly over country. There is no bottom to the well of human depravity, perversion, and sickness.

Hedonism such as this does not ashame me. I am much more disgusted and ashamed every time I read about a suicide bomber jihadi. I am much more disgusted and ashamed when I read about a Catholic Priest betraying the trust of his flock and molesting kids. (I grew up Catholic and understand very well the trust that a child places in a Priest.) I am much more disgusted and ashamed when some lefty politician says yet another thing denigrating our Country, our Troops, our Freedoms, or Ourselves.

I can understand a Hedonistic outlook, even as extreme as what zombie has shown us.

165 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:24pm

re: #153 JammieWearingFool

The Cubs Will Rise Again. Just like the great Pumpkin.

See ya later, Jammie

166 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:24pm

re: #128 Chuck Pelto

Time will tell whether Pat is once again, 'spot on'.

That would be Pat... Robertson?

So he's made "spot on" predictions before? Such as... when?

(By the way, I also predict some unspecified bad thing will happen this fall, somewhere in the world.)

167 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:35pm

re: #160 The Other Les

re: #144 Catttt

The dick pics and spankings don't shock me, but the furries give me the willies, to tell you the truth.

You are not alone.

[Link: furry.wikia.com...]

And this.

[Link: burnedfur.mv.com...]

168 JammieWearingFool  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:38pm

re: #142 Shug

re: #131 JammieWearingFool


can you access the audio archives, and at least hear your segment?
It was pretty good. I heard it live.


maybe he can autograph his show transcript and you can hang it on your wall.

I would

I don't have 24/7, but I'll see if I can find something later. If anyone has the audio and can send me an MP3, that would be great. My nic at yahoo dot com.

My first brush with Rush, and I missed it!

169 Maximu§  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:40pm

Listen up...Imagine your a Muslim Man living in Syria, you have daughters, sons and a faithful wife.

Would you support America after seeing these pictures? If I was that man I would do everything in my power to stop America's expansion into the world.....I wouldn't want to see my sons marching in a Gay parade or my daughters getting whipped in the street in leather or my wife bringing home a sexual decease.

I know its complicated, but these sick MFer's in this sick parade are hurting us in ways they cannot comprehend....Muslim extremists use these images to show the world just how messed up we are.

Liberals always scream its our "foreign policy" that makes Islamists angry....actually its parades like this and our TV shows that make traditional Muslims angry....and I don't blame them!

I'm Catholic and I'm PO'd......why isn't the church speaking up?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

170 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:45pm

re: #148 AirForceWife

#117 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:42:20 pm reply quote report


Harmless? How many billions have we spent on HIV research because of this kind of degraded mindset and behavior?

A hell of a lot more than any amount ever spent on cancer research or for any other disease.

The only upside I see is the research into viruses.

171 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:51:46pm

re: #149 mama winger

re: #147 albusteve


seeing the Yankees-Native Americans game

There is only one team that matters.

And everyone knows who they are.


momma!...I had no clue you are a Cowboy fan!....Iluvuman!

172 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:52:08pm

FURRIES! AUUUUGH!

/Furries give me the jibblies

173 Eagle  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:53:08pm

re: #119 insanity police

re: #103 Eagle


Also, I didn't see any Mohammet dildoes. I wonder why?

Oh yeah, that religion is off limits....


If islamists catch one of those guys with a MoDildo, which head do you think they cut off?

Ugh. I shudder to think of what the Islamofascists would do to these poor misguided fools. For all their whips, chains, et al, not one of them would put up a fight... if it ever came to that in SF.

174 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:53:23pm

re: #156 tempest67

re: #105 MandyManners

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

175 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:53:26pm

re: #148 AirForceWife

Being someone in the health care sector, who is always in the line of potential hazard (surgery), I can say it is this wanton disregard for public health that floors me.

Our government has levied sin taxes on cigarettes, alcohol, and of course it would not surprise me as I think they are going to do it on food.

This crowd also has a very high drug abuse rate.

I for one, will just bite my tongue before I say anymore.

176 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:53:40pm

re: #169 Maximu§

I know its complicated, but these sick MFer's in this sick parade are hurting us in ways they cannot comprehend....Muslim extremists use these images to show the world just how messed up we are.

Liberals always scream its our "foreign policy" that makes Islamists angry....actually its parades like this and our TV shows that make traditional Muslims angry

you are correct

177 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:53:49pm

re: #156 tempest67

re: #105 MandyManners

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

not much of a point...so what?

178 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:00pm

When I lived in a loft in downtown LA, I used to see bums and crak-whores having sex in the rat-infested alley behind my place....The Folsom Street Fair is worse.

179 Idle Drifter  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:18pm

OK, I'm all for people doing their own thing, in private, and with consenting adults but the lady with her tits covered with tape and her, um, kitty enjoying the fresh air kinda defeats the purpose.

180 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:23pm

re: #150 Shug

re: #144 Catttt


those pics made me itch.
I can't imagine how itchy those furry costumes must be.

If I was a demented perv, I'd definately go for the leather look. .

Me too. :)

181 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:27pm

re: #174 MandyManners

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

Hey Mandy :)

182 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:42pm

#143 Pawn of the Oppressor 10/04/07 12:46:41 pm reply quote report 0

You know, I don't think this really bothers me, except that there might be kids there.

I would be lying if I said it didn't make me physically nauseous. I saw some pretty hard core porn once when I was a lot younger and never cared to again but nothing that ever made be sick to my stomach on a visceral level like this did.

183 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:47pm

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Evil is evil, no matter which form it takes. THIS IS EVIL.

184 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:56pm

re: #31 sefton

So, have we become Rome before the fall or Sodom ?
If your leaving San Francisco don't dare to look back.
Pillar of salt and all that.

I heard that Ruth Bell Graham said once that if God didn't judge America, He'd have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. With this sort of garbage being sanctioned by a city government, it won't be too much longer, I'm afraid.

185 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:54:58pm

Furries don't bother me... but furverts and plushies... I gotta draw the line.

186 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:12pm

re: #152 Just_A_Grunt
Here's the text:

WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Asked about it Wednesday in an interview with KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the Illinois senator said he stopped wearing the pin shortly after the attacks and instead hoped to show his patriotism by explaining his ideas to citizens.

"The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."

On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."

Obama was campaigning in Iowa Thursday, the second day of a four-day trip to the early voting state.

At one stop, he called for new restrictions on deployment of National Guard and Reserve troops along with an expansion of benefits for them and their families.

"I will not be a president who extends tours for our Guard units overseas while Americans are stranded on rooftops right here at home," Obama said.

He said he would require "a period of rest and standard of readiness" before troops could be redeployed. He called for the head of the National Guard to be elevated to four-star rank and given a seat among the Joint Chiefs of Staff to reflect the heavy reliance on Guard soldiers and reservists during the Iraq war.

Since 2001, Obama said, more than 580,000 reservists have been activated, a level not seen since World War II.

In making his case, Obama pointed to an Iowa unit in which members learned from family and friends back home that their deployment had been extended. That unit—the 1st Battalion of the 133rd Infantry—recently returned after a 22-month deployment in Iraq.

"When we've got service members who have to find out that their tour has been extended in a phone call home, we're not keeping that trust and we're not keeping this country safe," Obama said.

He also called for increased mental health services, including screening and treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said nearly half of the National Guard troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from psychological problems, yet little emphasis is put on treating those disorders.

"We're not providing adequate treatment, screening and benefits," said Obama. "We need more mental health professionals and more training to recognize the signs."

187 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:24pm

We should demand that Pelosi condemn this illegal behavior in her district - or does she condone it ala taxpayer funds. There ought to be an investigation.

These are public streets, and public servants such as police. No one would care if this was all done on a private estate - but this is public.

And where are all the children who live in all these homes? All the teenagers who were forced to observe this behavior?

Take it private.

188 tripster  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:28pm

re: #148 AirForceWife

#117 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:42:20 pm reply quote report

Harmless? How many billions have we spent on HIV research because of this kind of degraded mindset and behavior?

A hell of a lot more than any amount ever spent on cancer research or for any other disease.

That's because the MSM and the left spread the lie that the risks of infection to Joe/Jane Hetero on the street was extremely high and that this was the new black plaque. Thusly legitimizing this subculture and trying to make every instance of it acceptable.

189 thscott  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:37pm

Thanks Zombie... You're getting my psychiatric bill.... :P

190 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:39pm

re: #171 albusteve

LOL!

I carry an official passport of CubNation :)

191 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:55:49pm

re: #172 Pawn of the Oppressor

FURRIES! AUUUUGH!

/Furries give me the jibblies

Um...yes...

[Link: archive.gamespy.com...]

192 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:06pm

re: #181 mama winger

re: #174 MandyManners


Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

Hey Mandy :)

Hey, mama! How's it going?

193 cagney  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:08pm

According to this article Saudi Arabia’s Human Rights Commission is criticising the EU over human rights.

Cheeky buggers.

194 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:34pm

re: #186 NoSubmission

re: #152 Just_A_Grunt
Here's the text:


WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Asked about it Wednesday in an interview with KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the Illinois senator said he stopped wearing the pin shortly after the attacks and instead hoped to show his patriotism by explaining his ideas to citizens.

"The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."

On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."

Obama was campaigning in Iowa Thursday, the second day of a four-day trip to the early voting state.

At one stop, he called for new restrictions on deployment of National Guard and Reserve troops along with an expansion of benefits for them and their families.

"I will not be a president who extends tours for our Guard units overseas while Americans are stranded on rooftops right here at home," Obama said.

He said he would require "a period of rest and standard of readiness" before troops could be redeployed. He called for the head of the National Guard to be elevated to four-star rank and given a seat among the Joint Chiefs of Staff to reflect the heavy reliance on Guard soldiers and reservists during the Iraq war.

Since 2001, Obama said, more than 580,000 reservists have been activated, a level not seen since World War II.

In making his case, Obama pointed to an Iowa unit in which members learned from family and friends back home that their deployment had been extended. That unit—the 1st Battalion of the 133rd Infantry—recently returned after a 22-month deployment in Iraq.

"When we've got service members who have to find out that their tour has been extended in a phone call home, we're not keeping that trust and we're not keeping this country safe," Obama said.

He also called for increased mental health services, including screening and treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said nearly half of the National Guard troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from psychological problems, yet little emphasis is put on treating those disorders.

"We're not providing adequate treatment, screening and benefits," said Obama. "We need more mental health professionals and more training to recognize the signs."

what a whore...a pinless pinhead...empty suit and this BS proves it

195 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:41pm

re: #186 NoSubmission

Juan Williams is the only lefty still wearing his.

That way he can say what he wants and not be "unpatriotic.{"

196 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:45pm

re: #169 Maximu%uFFFD

Listen up...Imagine your a Muslim Man living in Syria, you have daughters, sons and a faithful wife.

Would you support America after seeing these pictures? If I was that man I would do everything in my power to stop America's expansion into the world.....I wouldn't want to see my sons marching in a Gay parade or my daughters getting whipped in the street in leather or my wife bringing home a sexual decease.

I know its complicated, but these sick MFer's in this sick parade are hurting us in ways they cannot comprehend....Muslim extremists use these images to show the world just how messed up we are.

Liberals always scream its our "foreign policy" that makes Islamists angry....actually its parades like this and our TV shows that make traditional Muslims angry....and I don't blame them!

I'm Catholic and I'm PO'd......why isn't the church speaking up?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

EXCELLENT POINT!

197 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:45pm
174 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:53:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #156 tempest67

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?


May I watch? :)

198 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:56:59pm

Miller Beer tastes like piss.....which is probably why they chose it.

199 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:57:18pm

I can't see the Zombie pictures.

I'm under 18.

:(

200 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:57:30pm

Gotta buy groceries.

Bye.

201 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:57:43pm

re: #192 MandyManners

It's goin good. I'm back from the North woods, my blood counts are better, and the Cubs are in the play-offs. No complaints here.

Howsthekiddo?

202 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:57:58pm

re: #105 MandyManners

re: #65 tempest67

...i love how the site is completely unresponsive because everybody wants to check out the leather-clad sodomites caught in the act. look closely, people, then return to tut-tut about how evil it is!
What the fuck is your problem?

The public deserves to know what's happening on their public streets bought and paid for with public funds.

203 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:58:05pm

re: #112 albusteve

I'm with you . . .

re: #115 june_july

And you.

re: #117 MandyManners

Indeed, unprotected sex with strangers can be harmful, and I didn't see any condoms or plastic wrap for sucking, fucking, rimming, etc. So there may have been some harmful activity going on among consenting, informed, dumb adults. But in principle, a street fair full of dressed-up masturbators strikes me as ultimately harmless.

204 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:58:21pm

TO: Occasional Reader
RE: Prescient Pat

"So he's made "spot on" predictions before? Such as... when?" -- Occasional Reader

Back in May of '94 when he trotted out (1) there'd be a major earthquake on a particular Saturday and (2) on the same day "the mask would be ripped off of the face of evil".

On that day there was an 8+ quake 400+ miles under the Andes, which surprised all the geologists I talked to at USGS and the Clinton administration came out swinging against any Christian in public office exercising their ethics in the performance of their official duties.

Then there's the business about his suggesting, before the 2004 election, that Bush II should 'nuke the State Department'.

Within a few weeks of winning re-election to the presidency, Bush replaces Powell with Rice.

On a third item, regarding President [now-for-life] Hugo Chavez and Pat suggesting the US should 'take him out', seems that Pat was right there as well.

Hope that helps. But based on your past performance here.....I have serious doubts.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[There is none so blind as he who will not see.]

205 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:58:22pm

re: #197 Catttt

174 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:53:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #156 tempest67

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"


Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

May I watch? :)

You one a' dem preeverts from San Francisco or sumpin?

206 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:58:58pm

re: #186 NoSubmission

re: #152 Just_A_Grunt
Here's the text:

WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Asked about it Wednesday in an interview with KCRG-TV in Cedar Rapids, Iowa, the Illinois senator said he stopped wearing the pin shortly after the attacks and instead hoped to show his patriotism by explaining his ideas to citizens.

"The truth is that right after 9/11 I had a pin," Obama said. "Shortly after 9/11, particularly because as we're talking about the Iraq war, that became a substitute for I think true patriotism, which is speaking out on issues that are of importance to our national security.

"I decided I won't wear that pin on my chest," he said in the interview. "Instead, I'm going to try to tell the American people what I believe will make this country great, and hopefully that will be a testament to my patriotism."

On Thursday, his campaign issued a statement: "We all revere the flag, but Senator Obama believes that being a patriot is about more than a symbol. It's about fighting for our veterans when they get home and speaking honestly with the American people about this disastrous war."

Obama was campaigning in Iowa Thursday, the second day of a four-day trip to the early voting state.

At one stop, he called for new restrictions on deployment of National Guard and Reserve troops along with an expansion of benefits for them and their families.

"I will not be a president who extends tours for our Guard units overseas while Americans are stranded on rooftops right here at home," Obama said.

He said he would require "a period of rest and standard of readiness" before troops could be redeployed. He called for the head of the National Guard to be elevated to four-star rank and given a seat among the Joint Chiefs of Staff to reflect the heavy reliance on Guard soldiers and reservists during the Iraq war.

Since 2001, Obama said, more than 580,000 reservists have been activated, a level not seen since World War II.

In making his case, Obama pointed to an Iowa unit in which members learned from family and friends back home that their deployment had been extended. That unit—the 1st Battalion of the 133rd Infantry—recently returned after a 22-month deployment in Iraq.

"When we've got service members who have to find out that their tour has been extended in a phone call home, we're not keeping that trust and we're not keeping this country safe," Obama said.

He also called for increased mental health services, including screening and treatment for post-traumatic stress disorder. He said nearly half of the National Guard troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from psychological problems, yet little emphasis is put on treating those disorders.

"We're not providing adequate treatment, screening and benefits," said Obama. "We need more mental health professionals and more training to recognize the signs."

yeah, he's one of the idiots who after 9-11 felt uncomfortable w/ the implications of patriotism and the meaning of the american flag.

207 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:09pm

I remember the good old days when Miller Beer was promoting the scantily clad women, mud wrestling.

great taste firl vs less filling girl

In those days, they had class.

I'm switching to Sam adams. It tastes better anyway

208 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:17pm

re: #201 mama winger

re: #192 MandyManners

It's goin good. I'm back from the North woods, my blood counts are better, and the Cubs are in the play-offs. No complaints here.

Howsthekiddo?

He had the sniffles last night and a slight fever so I kept him home today. Other than that, he's great! How're your younguns?

209 tripster  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:21pm

re: #199 Ben Hur

I can't see the Zombie pictures.

I'm under 18.

:(

Trust me, you don't want to.

210 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:34pm

Maybe Dinesh D’Souza has a point afterall.

211 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:38pm

These people think that our enemies hate us because of George Bush.

212 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:39pm

re: #190 mama winger

re: #171 albusteve

LOL!

I carry an official passport of CubNation :)

well Iluvu anyway...been to manys the Cub games in my day...I love it when the bad guys park it and the fans outside the stadium thro the ball back up and into the field...priceless Americana...go Cubs!

213 Killgore Trout  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:42pm

Excellent report Zombie. I liked the optional censored/uncensored images, it made the report viewable for those who might otherwise opt out. I have no problem with homosexuality (i'm even a fan of gay marriage) however, the public depravity and reckless disregard for STD's is truly a danger to our society.

214 kirche  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 12:59:44pm

#20 maximus

"Sodom and Gomorrah must have been like this before the Good Lord burned it to the ground."

i think the Lord is not quite finished in destroying cities like sodom and gomorrah.

215 Peacekeeper  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:01pm

gah.

216 experiencedtraveller  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:09pm

Big ones...little ones..

I AM SO RELIEVED!

/somewhere in the middle

217 nyc redneck  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:26pm

re: #201 mama winger

happy birthday mama winger.

218 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:36pm

re: #208 MandyManners

Little Winger's got his eye on a girl. The girl has her eye on the mission field. Stay tuned......

:)

219 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:52pm

re: #188 tripster

That's because the MSM and the left spread the lie that the risks of infection to Joe/Jane Hetero on the street was extremely high and that this was the new black plaque. Thusly legitimizing this subculture and trying to make every instance of it acceptable

.

BINGO! I was living in Seattle when HIV really got noticed by the media, and I knew what was coming regarding legitimization of this sick mess.

220 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:00:53pm

re: #206 nyc redneck

yeah, he's one of the idiots who after 9-11 felt uncomfortable w/ the implications of patriotism and the meaning of the american flag.


He should just keep talking... and talking and talking..

221 Ben Hur  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:01:10pm

This is mainstream according to the MSM and Hollywood.

222 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:01:15pm

re: #205 MandyManners

re: #197 Catttt


174 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:53:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #156 tempest67
oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

May I watch? :)

You one a' dem preeverts from San Francisco or sumpin?

No, but I've seen places and been things. :)

223 PeggyU  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:01:37pm

Well, I had to see this to believe it. These pervs are much worse than I thought. How can you do this kind of stuff in a public area? Aren't there indecent exposure laws? I mean really? I thought there were!

224 oh_dude  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:01:59pm

Thanx as always Zombie, but I won't be looking.

I'm like 0% in terms of morbid curiosity today.

My wife dragged me to the Portland Farmers Market on Saturday. That's enough for me.

225 kirche  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:01:59pm

#26 jcm

"Does SF even have lewd conduct statutes?"

sure, but only for the troublemakers who are not sexually depraved and perverted.

226 mama winger  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:02:06pm

re: #217 nyc redneck

Well, thank you so much! I had a lovely birthday lunch out with my kids today, and it's sunny and warm here, a beautiful day.

Thank you :)

227 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:02:10pm

re: #86 MandyManners

Furries tend to dress up as animals and role play as that type of animal. It's kind a more extreme version of sex with costumes. No bestiality involved.

228 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:02:39pm

Demand Pelosi condemn this public behavior bought and paid for in part with tax dollars.

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/contact.html

229 Maximu§  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:02:55pm

re: #202 DistantThunder
The public deserves to know what's happening on their public streets bought and paid for with public funds.

Right on DT!

Those streets are paid for with OUR Money!

I gotta get back to work.....Thank God my boss did'nt walk in when I was viewing this crap. In fact Im gonna wash my monitor.

Take Care mama and Mandy

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

230 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:03:02pm

re: #202 DistantThunder

re: #105 MandyManners


re: #65 tempest67
...i love how the site is completely unresponsive because everybody wants to check out the leather-clad sodomites caught in the act. look closely, people, then return to tut-tut about how evil it is!
What the fuck is your problem?

The public deserves to know what's happening on their public streets bought and paid for with public funds.

I was objecting to the asswipe's tone, as if it was saying we're a bunch of simple bumpkins.

231 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:03:14pm

Miller the gay beer.

232 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:03:27pm

re: #156 tempest67

Tempest, Zombie does this out of his/her own moral fabric.

You have been here long enough to know this.

Moreover, it is all of the issues involved, especially the fact the msm will not report on things like this at all, total black out, and we know why.

While what you allude to, (people slowing at the scene of an accident) a picture is worth a thousand words.

It matters to many people, not because they hate this group of people, but what this group's actions represent.

Bringing a child to this type of event?

I don't anyone here really has any enjoyment looking at this. But having visual does amplify the story to where it should be.

233 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:04:05pm

re: #228 DistantThunder

Demand Pelosi condemn this public behavior bought and paid for in part with tax dollars.

http://www.house.gov/pelosi/contact/cont act.html

there you go...good one...Im on it

234 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:04:07pm

re: #222 Catttt

re: #205 MandyManners


re: #197 Catttt

174 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:53:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #156 tempest67
oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

May I watch? :)

You one a' dem preeverts from San Francisco or sumpin?

No, but I've seen places and been things. :)

I've been to the county fair.

235 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:04:17pm

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

I agree.

236 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:04:28pm

As this isn't safe for work, and I like my job, I will refrain from looking at this until later.

After the kids are safely in their beds.

The thing of it is, is that my youngest's dad lives in Livermore and works in San Fran. He wants me and her to come out there for a visit next summer. Neither of us has been there yet so this will be our first.

He's a nice guy but athiest and very liberal. He used pron movies to help him teach his son about s-x, for example. I still havent' ben able to figure out the reasoning behind that.

This is why I can't die until my daughter is 18. I don't want her living there much less being raised by him.

Funny thing is that while he was always an athiest and a liberal, and we have many things in common and still love one another (just not enough to go through with the marriage, whew!) he wasn't like he is now before he moved there.

I don't begrudge anyone their particular fetish, many people have them, but to display them in public like that and for the general population (so it seems) to allow it is beyond my comprehension!

I can't take her out there, I just can't. I don't want to go. I know that San Francisco is lovely and all, but I can't spend my hard earned money in a place like that.

237 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:04:40pm

re: #70 Just_A_Grunt

Zombie You got an X Rated picture on page 2 Clean up

That does it - after this post and after hearing about religious sex toys (ewwwww!), I'm not going to look! I don't need this crap stuck in my little gray cells to haunt me years later. Good work though, Zombie. It's amazing that you can keep your brains unscrambled after seeing all that!

238 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:05:02pm

re: #230 MandyManners

re: #202 DistantThunder

re: #105 MandyManners

re: #65 tempest67
...i love how the site is completely unresponsive because everybody wants to check out the leather-clad sodomites caught in the act. look closely, people, then return to tut-tut about how evil it is!
What the fuck is your problem?

The public deserves to know what's happening on their public streets bought and paid for with public funds.
I was objecting to the asswipe's tone, as if it was saying we're a bunch of simple bumpkins.

My reply was to tempest but I wanted to include your comment. The left knows all to well that in order to not be overtaken by corruption, we must know what it is - that's why they mock us when we "look."

239 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:05:17pm

My feeling was one of loyalty to Zombie.

Clicking dick after dick after dick after...boring.

I'm not easily shocked, and none of this shocked me (the furries gave me the willies, though).

240 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:05:19pm

re: #169 Maximu§

Listen up...Imagine your a Muslim Man living in Syria, you have daughters, sons and a faithful wife.

Would you support America after seeing these pictures? If I was that man I would do everything in my power to stop America's expansion into the world.....I wouldn't want to see my sons marching in a Gay parade or my daughters getting whipped in the street in leather or my wife bringing home a sexual decease.

I know its complicated, but these sick MFer's in this sick parade are hurting us in ways they cannot comprehend....Muslim extremists use these images to show the world just how messed up we are.

Liberals always scream its our "foreign policy" that makes Islamists angry....actually its parades like this and our TV shows that make traditional Muslims angry....and I don't blame them!

I'm Catholic and I'm PO'd......why isn't the church speaking up?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

I don't even disagree completely, but you can't use Muslim anger as a rationale against something - they hate us for EVERYTHING, including the fact that women are allowed to drive. I realize this is much harsher than that, but "we're pissing off the Muslims" can't be a reason for ANYTHING we do - not only because we don't need to live they the way they want us to, but because if that were the case, we'd basically have to cease breathing - which is what they really want, anyway.

241 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:05:23pm

re: #218 mama winger

re: #208 MandyManners

Little Winger's got his eye on a girl. The girl has her eye on the mission field. Stay tuned......

:)

I got a few years before that stuff, thank goodness.

242 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:05:31pm

re: #234 MandyManners

re: #222 Catttt


re: #205 MandyManners

re: #197 Catttt

174 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:53:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #156 tempest67
oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

Go piss up a rope, wouldja'?

May I watch? :)

You one a' dem preeverts from San Francisco or sumpin?

No, but I've seen places and been things. :)

I've been to the county fair.


and your date was Mickey Rooney?...I love that guy

243 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:06:16pm

re: #156 tempest67

oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

We're not all getting "hoppin' mad." Zombie's post is important. In case you haven't noticed, the culture war extends into all aspects of our society. Should police enforce laws or look the other way or just smile and acquiesce authority? Do our elected officials have a responsibility to the community to define and defend public morality? If so, what? If the United States Speaker of the House is from this district, is this a state of affairs we want to continue? Should children be allowed at these types of public gatherings? What does it say about the gay community in SF that they do this in public vs. in private? Why do so many of the costumes riff from the Nazi SS? I could go on and on.

Another cock is not shocking. It's the context.

244 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:06:48pm

re: #227 CyanSnowHawk

re: #86 MandyManners

Furries tend to dress up as animals and role play as that type of animal. It's kind a more extreme version of sex with costumes. No bestiality involved.

I had no idea. I would ask what's next but, I've already seen it today.

245 JohnSteele  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:06:59pm

re: #72 Lorenska

OT, but in case anyone needs a moment to reset their eyes after viewing the Folsom pics, this might be a little mental break:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Bottom line - kid won't cut his hair for religious reasons, school says "too bad," parent sues, ACLU is involved. Really, do you think this is what the ACLU had in mind when they were founded to keep people from being shot when they tried to sign up to vote? I am NO ACLU fan, but I think that this is low even for them - they used to have SOME moral compass, and were founded for basically decent reasons...this is a joke.

The ACLU as most assuredly NOT founded to keep people from being shot when they tried to sign up to vote and they never had a "moral compass". The ACLU is an offshoot the National Lawyers Guild, a Soviet communist front organization, with the intent of undermining this country in support of their Soviet masters.

246 g3n3r1c  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:09:00pm

Back to something more important-Cargo plane seized in Somila

By Abdiqani Hassan

BOSASSO, Somalia (Reuters) - Gunmen in Somalia's northeastern Puntland province hijacked a cargo plane carrying khat, a narcotic leaf, on Thursday after a business deal turned sour, a local official said.

The attackers seized the plane, which had come from Ethiopia, in Puntland's port of Bosasso. They then flew 150 km (90 miles) west to another coastal town, Las Qorey, the chairman of the area, Muse Gelle Farole, told Reuters.

"There was a conflict between the businesspeople that brought the khat to Bosasso, so one group of them hijacked the plane and made it land at Las Qorey," he said.

247 Cali White Bear  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:09:03pm

omfg.

fookin sick.

all praise to the gallant Zombie for wading intot the bowel of the beast like this, but you should take this down.

248 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:09:16pm

re: #119 insanity police

re: #103 Eagle

Also, I didn't see any Mohammet dildoes. I wonder why?

Oh yeah, that religion is off limits....

If islamists catch one of those guys with a MoDildo, which head do you think they cut off?

No, the question should be, 'Which head do they cut off first?'.

249 JohnSteele  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:09:40pm

A bunch of sad, pathetic excuses for human beings.

Zombie ought to collect his photos and mail them the CEO of Miller Brewing with a signed copyright release --- they can use them in their advertising. Or maybe he can take them home and show them to his wife and kids.

250 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:10:07pm

re: #238 DistantThunder

Thanks for putting what I wanted to say into more articulate words. I'm still pissed.

251 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:10:08pm

re: #243 Irene NYC

re: #156 tempest67


oh, is it not true? is it not the case that zombie's site is completely overloaded because everyone wants to see the bad evil orgy? just pointing it out. i'm not a fan of public sex, but it's predictable and kind of funny to see the site brought to its knees by all the people who just can't wait to get hoppin' mad about degenerate morals. it's like a scene from The Music Man. "Rabelais! Bal-zac!"

We're not all getting "hoppin' mad." Zombie's post is important. In case you haven't noticed, the culture war extends into all aspects of our society. Should police enforce laws or look the other way or just smile and acquiesce authority? Do our elected officials have a responsibility to the community to define and defend public morality? If so, what? If the United States Speaker of the House is from this district, is this a state of affairs we want to continue? Should children be allowed at these types of public gatherings? What does it say about the gay community in SF that they do this in public vs. in private? Why do so many of the costumes riff from the Nazi SS? I could go on and on.

Another cock is not shocking. It's the context.

needlessly well said...these are Pelosis minions and she should speak for her base....I mean does that need to be explained...the original poster must be and idiot...sorry for the slur...

252 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:10:12pm

re: #186 NoSubmission

WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Nice.

Fuck you, Obama, and the horse you rode in on. That whiny, odious "OMG FLAG = FAUX PATRIOTISM" BULLSHIT was old in 2003. You are running for PRESIDENT, not trying to make some sort of statement about your own cultural superiority.

Kiss the Presidency goodbye, son.

253 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:11:28pm

re: #123 ointmentfly

The chicks are on the Part Two page, but they're not much to look at.

254 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:12:52pm

I'll stick with the Gilroy Garlic Festival.

/probably smells better too.

255 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:13:20pm

re: #154 sefton

They weren't drinking Miller HighLife.
More like Miller LowLife.

'Miller LowLife - The Bullp**s of Bottled Beers.'

256 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:13:31pm

re: #245 JohnSteele

re: #72 Lorenska


OT, but in case anyone needs a moment to reset their eyes after viewing the Folsom pics, this might be a little mental break:

[Link: www.foxnews.com...]

Bottom line - kid won't cut his hair for religious reasons, school says "too bad," parent sues, ACLU is involved. Really, do you think this is what the ACLU had in mind when they were founded to keep people from being shot when they tried to sign up to vote? I am NO ACLU fan, but I think that this is low even for them - they used to have SOME moral compass, and were founded for basically decent reasons...this is a joke.


The ACLU as most assuredly NOT founded to keep people from being shot when they tried to sign up to vote and they never had a "moral compass". The ACLU is an offshoot the National Lawyers Guild, a Soviet communist front organization, with the intent of undermining this country in support of their Soviet masters.


You know, as I wrote that, I thought "I should put a disclaimer here that says, 'or whatever they were formed for'" -honestly, I'm not ashamed to say I don't know a lot about the history of the ACLU, but I did think they were founded as a civil rights organization. If I'm wrong, my bad, and it just means they've ALWAYS been into stupid and worthless ventures - still means this kid and his parents are way screwed up.

257 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:13:32pm

re: #7 Neo Con since 9/11

The new main stream of the democratic party. This tells you why I left

Exactly. I didn't leave the Democratic party, it left me.

(and, ironically, I was a member for 8+ years and never heard a peep out of them. Ever since I've left, however, I've been inundated with telephone book sized solicitations from the candidates and Dean at the DNC. It's like battered-spouse syndrome).

258 storagemanager  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:13:33pm

I wish Drudge would pick this up..

259 albusteve  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:14:22pm

re: #252 Pawn of the Oppressor

re: #186 NoSubmission


WATERLOO, Iowa (AP) - Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama says he doesn't wear an American flag lapel pin because it has become a substitute for "true patriotism" since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks.

Nice.

Fuck you, Obama, and the horse you rode in on. That whiny, odious "OMG FLAG = FAUX PATRIOTISM" BULLSHIT was old in 2003. You are running for PRESIDENT, not trying to make some sort of statement about your own cultural superiority.

Kiss the Presidency goodbye, son.

260 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:14:41pm

re: #141 NoSubmission

OT
Barak Hussein Obama Won't Wear American Flag Pin Anymore

WTF does he think this Country is? A goddamn social club?

Any candidate that will not show a little patriotism because he/she thinks that such displays are a cynical ploy will get no support from me.

(Like I was going to support a Dem anyway, but hey, I had to say something about this.)

261 Eagle  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:15:02pm

OK, I have now seen too much. When I heard about this on the TV, it didnt mention sex in public. And people dressed up their children? Children ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

WTF?

Zombie, you really are doing a service by showing this. And your commentary is spot on.

262 easy  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:15:03pm

tempest67 is trying to imply that we are a bunch of hypocrites (a sin worse than death). tempest67 is not from around here.

263 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:15:30pm

And now it has it's own thread. How about that.

264 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:16:03pm

re: #169 Maximu%uFFFD

How far are you going to take it? "Traditional Muslims" and "Muslim extremists" also hate us because of women who go to school, women who walk around with their hair uncovered, and men who drink in bars among other things.

People outside America see this sort of thing and mistakenly conclude that it represents all of America and that all Americans are like this. What, are we supposed to check ourselves in the mirror every time we go out just for people with those incorrect views?

I realize this topic is probably going to start raging, and I may not be able to keep up.

265 ChicagoBlue  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:16:38pm

re: #21 NoSubmission

How about the guy in Pt. 2 wearing the 'zombie' t-shirt with the corn cob. That IS a corn cob, isn't it?

ACK! Now you have me so curious, kinda, but maybe I don't want to know, for my own sanity...and for keeping my lunch down.

/really glad I'm at work

266 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:16:43pm

re: #70 Just_A_Grunt

Zombie You got an X Rated picture on page 2 Clean up

Already did.

I knew about it, but couldn't access the directory for a while there.

Should be fixed now. (There were two willies, actually.)

267 kirche[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:16:47pm
268 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:17:07pm

#196 MandyManners 10/04/07 12:56:45 pm reply quote report 0

re: #169 Maximu%uFFFD

Listen up...Imagine your a Muslim Man living in Syria, you have daughters, sons and a faithful wife.

Would you support America after seeing these pictures? If I was that man I would do everything in my power to stop America's expansion into the world.....I wouldn't want to see my sons marching in a Gay parade or my daughters getting whipped in the street in leather or my wife bringing home a sexual decease.

I know its complicated, but these sick MFer's in this sick parade are hurting us in ways they cannot comprehend....Muslim extremists use these images to show the world just how messed up we are.

Liberals always scream its our "foreign policy" that makes Islamists angry....actually its parades like this and our TV shows that make traditional Muslims angry....and I don't blame them!

I'm Catholic and I'm PO'd......why isn't the church speaking up?

Maximu§
3/11 ACR

EXCELLENT POINT!

I agree completely. There is more than one kind of extremism in this world and that display is extemism of another sort. Why must we accept everything? Are there no limits anymore?

269 tempest67  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:17:29pm

re: #243 Irene NYC

Irene, I agree that these are all important issues. And it is indeed interesting why Nazi themes are so prevalent in the S&M community, straight or gay. I just don't think that zombie's site is crashing because everyone is rushing to do their civic duty with regards to responsible political discourse. Listen, I'm not in favor of sucking dick in the street -- I'm sitting here right now listening to a Schubert trio, working on urban planning, procrastinating on LGF -- I'm no radical. But I don't buy the highly offended tone and matching dudgeon that's generally being slung here, when obviously most are following the all-too-human instinct that says -- even if only in the unrecognized subconscious -- "orgy? what the hell! I have to check that out!"

270 dahozho  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:18:04pm

Those "boobs not bombs" people would fit right in here, at least on the eyewash response.

Never had a desire to go to SF. Now reinforced.

271 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:18:21pm

They should change the name of the street from Folsom St. to Foucault St.

272 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:18:23pm

re: #253 squarepeg

re: #123 ointmentfly

The chicks are on the Part Two page, but they're not much to look at.

Eye of the beholder - I am guessing that someone likes the way they look.

273 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:19:18pm

re: #183 MandyManners

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Evil is evil, no matter which form it takes. THIS IS EVIL.

Evil? I don't see it that way. An overindulgent homage to pleasures of the flesh, yes. Evil? no.

274 Pawn of the Oppressor  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:19:22pm

re: #223 PeggyU

Well, I had to see this to believe it. These pervs are much worse than I thought. How can you do this kind of stuff in a public area? Aren't there indecent exposure laws? I mean really? I thought there were!

Zombie nailed it: "Saturnalia". You can't keep this kind of stuff totally hidden, it's human nature that folks of odd disposition are occasionally going to get together in groups and do sick, bizarre, or otherwise *ahem* alternative things, and even be sexual in public. Do a google search for "My Secret Life" and read about what used to go on in the parks and roads of England in the 1800s if you think this is something new. Stuff like this is going on in bedrooms all over the country right this minute.

If San Fran is the designated freak city, and they have a designated freak fair, and everybody goes to an agreed spot to drink cheap shitty beer and be freaks together, then fine... Just leave the kids at home. I'd frankly rather see naked gay biker guys walking around with their wangs hanging out, than see a bunch of young brainwashed Berkleybots in Che shirts screaming support for Hezbollah. One is a little dirty, the other is real tangible evil that threatens our civilization. Guess which one I think is which?

275 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:19:30pm

re: #5 NoSubmission

How on earth is this allowed in a major US city?

One word: Liberals.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I need to go scratch out my mind's eye with a freshly-unwrapped razor blade.

276 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:19:55pm

zombie,

Thanks for all your hard work. You're a national treasure. A real gosh durn American original!

277 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:20:10pm

re: #272 Catttt

No doubt. Those cruising for Hot Chix in Chainz would probably be a little . . . let down, however!

278 code red 21  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:20:51pm

I sent this to my cousin who drinks Miller beer hope he's not drinking one when he sees the pics he just might choke to death. Depraved doesn't even begin to describe this...abomination. Sodom and Gomorrah, redux.

279 squarepeg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:21:20pm

re: #274 Pawn of the Oppressor

Yup. A few lizards here seem to feel this way.

280 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:21:35pm

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Thanks for saying that.

281 Gagdad Bob  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:22:46pm

If anyone objects to the Folsom Street Fair, speak now or forever hold your penis.

282 cygnus  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:23:07pm

re: #266 zombie

re: #70 Just_A_Grunt

Zombie You got an X Rated picture on page 2 Clean up

Already did.

I knew about it, but couldn't access the directory for a while there.

Should be fixed now. (There were two willies, actually.)

Gays running around willy-nilly? :)

283 TalkinKamel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:23:31pm

#239 Cattt

Yes, the Furries give me the willie too.

Hard to put in to words. . . but it's as many moderns have degenerated to the point where any sort of relationship with a person is just too much for them. They'd rather be cartoon characters. It's sounds as if a lot of them are so isolated, and cut off from humanity, it's. . . it's inhuman. . .

284 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:25:34pm

Jeeebus, time for the brain-scrubber once again.

Didn't people get turned into pillars of salt or something for this type of behavior not too long ago?

Anyway, I am certainly done with Miller products... Take a look, there may be some on here you didn't know were Miller:

[Link: www.millerbrewing.com...]

Also, there are some other products listed here:

[Link: en.wikipedia.org...]

Zombie, GET THE HELL OUTTA THERE.

285 Irene NYC  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:26:18pm

re: #269 tempest67

Maybe because I'm in NYC and have seen this sort of stuff for a long time, this stuff doesn't shock me and I can view it with distance (and boredom - it's just sooo 1980s)). But consider, for some people who've never been exposed to this, the visuals are shocking - and they respond accordingly. I'm not going to take them to task. It's an honest reaction.

286 debutaunt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:26:26pm

Muslims arrive anger-ready. re: #176 mama winger

287 tommygum  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:26:42pm

re: #156 tempest67

Ball sack?

288 jamgarr  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:26:54pm

Many, many "deletes". Interesting that #20 was up to a plus 5 before deletion (or can the ratings be added after deletion as a sign of approval of the deletion - I'll find out and get back to you.

289 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:27:01pm

re: #274 Pawn of the Oppressor

Stuff like this is going on in bedrooms all over the country right this minute.

That's where it belongs, behind closed doors.

One is a little dirty, the other is real tangible evil that threatens our civilization. Guess which one I think is which?

A little dirty?...Sticking dildo up your ass on a public street in broad daylight is a little dirty?

290 JHW  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:27:44pm

I have almost a certain kind of pity for these people, they have no interest in the most beautiful of all creations....a woman.

291 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:27:52pm

re: #264 squarepeg

re: #169 Maximu©

How far are you going to take it? "Traditional Muslims" and "Muslim extremists" also hate us because of women who go to school, women who walk around with their hair uncovered, and men who drink in bars among other things.

People outside America see this sort of thing and mistakenly conclude that it represents all of America and that all Americans are like this. What, are we supposed to check ourselves in the mirror every time we go out just for people with those incorrect views?

I realize this topic is probably going to start raging, and I may not be able to keep up.


You quoted me almost exactly (post 240), and you're right - this is becoming a heated one. I don't mean for it to, I really can see the other side, but as we (and others) have said, trying to live according to what Muslims might think is just a losing battle, there's no way to live a life that way - that's hardly a group that's easy to please.

292 jamgarr  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:27:55pm

Nope - can't rate after deletion.

293 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:28:11pm

re: #273 CyanSnowHawk

re: #183 MandyManners


re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Evil is evil, no matter which form it takes. THIS IS EVIL.


Evil? I don't see it that way. An overindulgent homage to pleasures of the flesh, yes. Evil? no.

I agree. Flesh indulgence - check. Exhibitionistic indulgence - three checks. Evil - no. Anyway, it's not mine to judge them.

294 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:28:16pm

I can only imagine how stinky that event must have been. E-coli is extremely fowl smelling and no amount of enemas gets rid of it. (There are some unfortuate things we nurses have to do to prep patients for surgery of the bowel which is how I learned this). The antibiotics to cure urinary tract infections must be doing some great business after this event.

295 jamgarr  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:28:46pm

BTW - Zombie Rocks!

296 Derek  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:29:08pm

I consider myself pretty desensitized, but some of this stuff was just too much.

I took particular offense to the Christian themed...toys.

And don't think for one second that that the lack of Muslim toys was a coincidence. These freaks know bloody well that each and everyone of them would have death threats from the Muslim community if the Jihadis caught wind of it.

That was some purely evil shit.

297 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:30:31pm

re: #86 MandyManners

re: #58 Catttt

re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.
Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

I'm going to have a whole section about furries when I do the captions for Part 2.

One of them had a dog costume with a penis hole, so he could do it literally "doggy style."

298 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:11pm

Where in the Bible is this condoned? No where. Where is it condemned? Check out Soddom and Gomora (sp?). And, the New Testament weighs in on homosexuality.

299 NoSubmission  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:11pm

re: #285 Irene NYC

re: #269 tempest67

Maybe because I'm in NYC and have seen this sort of stuff for a long time, this stuff doesn't shock me and I can view it with distance (and boredom - it's just sooo 1980s)). But consider, for some people who've never been exposed to this, the visuals are shocking - and they respond accordingly. I'm not going to take them to task. It's an honest reaction.


It doesn't shock me as much either since I live in NYC myself.

and tempest, did it not occur to you that we all happen to love zombie's work?

300 Derek  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:16pm

re: #293 Catttt

Well, if you're a Christian, this is evil.

301 Charles  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:20pm

Most of the deleted comments are about zombie asking people not to visit the site.

302 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:30pm

re: #88 Ringo the Gringo

We are surely living in the end times.

And you got a hat tip at the bottom of the page!

Congrats!

You are literally now a footnote to history.

303 MandyManners  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:31:39pm

re: #297 zombie

Aaaaiiiiiiiiiiieeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!

304 Paul  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:32:06pm

Miller Beer's sponsorship of the Folsom Street Fair created a very minor brouhaha here in Milwaukee (home of Miller) but nothing really came of it. A couple of local conservative talk shows tried to make it an issue but Miller stonewalled them and the controversy went nowhere.

Anyway, I consider Zombie's political demonstration pictures far more disturbing than those of the portly leather guys disporting themselves on Folsom Street.

305 jamgarr  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:32:07pm

Shocking others for the sake of shock has a very low clueishness rating.

306 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:32:36pm

re: #301 Charles

Most of the deleted comments are about zombie asking people not to visit the site.

Yes, they weren't anti-gay comments - - I just told people to not visit the site while I fixed it. Luckily, Stinky deleted them after I fixed the index file.

307 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:33:45pm

re: #236 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The fair won't be going on. Livermore is pretty much a small town, and if you do a bus tour of the City, you won't see anything shocking - or any more shocking than what you might see in some other big city.

This is a fringe event. Most of the people who attend it have day jobs, and you might never know about their proclivities. They are not going to leap out at you and your daughter and ask you to spank them.

308 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:34:30pm

What is funny to me is on a fox news show about the ad with the last supper advertising the Folsom Street Fair, there was one for and one against the ad. The one against the ad said their was public sex act's going on at the street fair and the guy for the ad said "there was not any of that going on"!
I thought WHAT A LAIR!
I saw a video of the fair last year with men in bondage jerkin' off with people walking around them.

I only HOPE people didn't take their kids to this sex orgy!

309 Cap'n DOC  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:35:25pm

What's the max on deleted comments in a thread, that includes Sir Charles? Just curious.

310 Son Of The Godfather  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:36:33pm

I agree with those who see the "evil" here.

I'm a pretty tolerant person.

Religious sex toys?
Public sex displays?
Exposing kids to this filth?

No... This is no mere exhuberance of pleasure...
If one believes in "evil", that is exactly what's on display here, there is no grey area in Zombie's essay (and all that captured in a 45 minutes of "exposure").

311 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:36:51pm

I'm no prude but I think that San Francisco as physically beautiful a city as it is, is a moral cesspool.

312 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:37:38pm

Yeah, I like Miller products, plus they are big supporters of Wisc sports teams, but I shall draw the line now. Including Leinenkugel's.

This isn't about sponsoring gay rights events (my employer is huge into that...even sponsored a "mass commitment" ceremony this summer). It's way beyond that. I went to the Catholic Leagues web site and they had really nutty photos of last years event there.

I'm at work now, but will check this out tonight from home.

313 Diamond Bullet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:38:04pm

Ugh - my eyes, the goggles do nothing! Reminds me of the classic Onion article - Gay Rights Parade Sets Back Mainstream Acceptance Of Gay Rights By 50 Years.

[Link: www.theonion.com...]

314 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:38:05pm

Zombie:
How are you able to live in the SF bay area and not get sick?

315 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:38:23pm

re: #113 Whippet

The pictures that Zombie can get on a stroll down the streets of San Francisco prove the extreme bias of our media. This disgusting display is there for everyone to see, yet the media doesn't even mention it. If this were to hit the nightly news programs, the only votes the democrats would ever get again are from these people who feel it's totally appropriate for them to parade their private sexual agenda in public. Our media knows it, therefore keeps this silent. We can only imagine how much else goes on that we will never see... Thanks Zombie for all you do.

Bingo! That's the very reason I made this report.

My real motivation had nothing to do with Miller Beer, or the Last Supper, or boycotts, or gayness, or Christianity, or any of that. It had to do with exposing the relentless, to-the-bone bias and shameful dishonesty of the mainstream media.

That, and also destroying the Democrats' chances in 2008. Heh heh heh.

316 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:38:48pm

LGF has and eclectic variety of religious types, including atheists and agnostics.
Just wondering how many others would be surprised to wake up someday and find the Big One hit and SF slid into the ocean.

317 WindHorse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:39:02pm

re: #281 Gagdad Bob

that was funny...!

318 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:39:07pm

The manager's of the Folsom Street Fair should have had the decency to get a gay beer to sponsor them...

319 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:39:18pm

#307 Dianna 10/04/07 1:33:45 pm reply quote report

This is a fringe event. Most of the people who attend it have day jobs, and you might never know about their proclivities. They are not going to leap out at you and your daughter and ask you to spank them.

Anybody that would put themselves up on public display having objects rammed up their butts and walk around showing their sewer pickles is somebody I wouldn't put anything past.

320 The Pulchritudinous Patriot  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:01pm

re: #307 Dianna

re: #236 The Pulchritudinous Patriot

The fair won't be going on. Livermore is pretty much a small town, and if you do a bus tour of the City, you won't see anything shocking - or any more shocking than what you might see in some other big city.

This is a fringe event. Most of the people who attend it have day jobs, and you might never know about their proclivities. They are not going to leap out at you and your daughter and ask you to spank them.


LOL, well, I wasn't expecting them to. I don't have a problem with the fetishes, really I don't. It's the public spectacle that slays me. Keep it private people!

To think that the NOPD gets all upset when a woman shows her tits at Mardi Gras!

Anyway, I wouldn't take my 8 year old to Mardi Gras much less the Folsom Street thing.

321 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:23pm

Are there any normal (outside of zombie and LGF postera scott in east bay and Carolina Girl) decent people who live in San Francisco? Certainly not Barry Bonds.

322 Hard Right  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:27pm

re: #269 tempest67

re: #243 Irene NYC

Irene, I agree that these are all important issues. And it is indeed interesting why Nazi themes are so prevalent in the S&M community, straight or gay. I just don't think that zombie's site is crashing because everyone is rushing to do their civic duty with regards to responsible political discourse. Listen, I'm not in favor of sucking dick in the street -- I'm sitting here right now listening to a Schubert trio, working on urban planning, procrastinating on LGF -- I'm no radical. But I don't buy the highly offended tone and matching dudgeon that's generally being slung here, when obviously most are following the all-too-human instinct that says -- even if only in the unrecognized subconscious -- "orgy? what the hell! I have to check that out!"

I could less about them bing gay or kinky, but in public? That's just f'd up!

323 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:34pm

Uf! The Phillies are getting clubbed like a baby seal.

324 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:43pm

re: #300 Derek

re: #293 Catttt

Well, if you're a Christian, this is evil.

We disagree.

325 Paul  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:40:49pm

For all of San Francisco's vaunted "diversity", very few people of color were evident other than as spectators. It's like those San Francisco political demonstrations that zombie covers so well, everyone seems to be white while pretending to be oppressed.

326 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:41:10pm

This might be the only LGF post that the Kostards actually like....

Just sayin'

327 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:41:17pm

re: #274 Pawn of the Oppressor

You've got that right.

328 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:41:29pm

re: #302 zombie

Thanks zombie. I could only look at the page very quickly because I'm at work right now.

I'll read your commentary tonight.

PS - I hope you didn't send a link to Michelle Malkin, I don't think she can handle it.

329 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:41:30pm

Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?

330 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:43:08pm
It had to do with exposing the relentless, to-the-bone bias and shameful dishonesty of the mainstream media.

That, and also destroying the Democrats' chances in 2008. Heh heh heh.

Correct. Watch the entertainment shows on TV. Notice how Christians are portrayed? The most generous people in the world are hated.

Borate should have done his movie at this event.

331 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:44:51pm

re: #297 zombie

re: #86 MandyManners


re: #58 Catttt
re: #32 MandyManners

re: #29 Catttt

OMG - furries in part two!

Furries? What?

Pleasures of the Fur.
Please tell me that they dress up like dogs, not that they do it with them.

I'm going to have a whole section about furries when I do the captions for Part 2.

One of them had a dog costume with a penis hole, so he could do it literally "doggy style."

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Willies! Willies! Creepy! Ew!

332 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:45:39pm

Paul

For all of San Francisco's vaunted "diversity", very few people of color were evident other than as spectators. It's like those San Francisco political demonstrations that zombie covers so well, everyone seems to be white while pretending to be oppressed.

That's pretty much standard. With the exception events specifically race based (think Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson protests), most of these wacked events are middle class (or higher) white folk.

Someone locally talked about that at a "critical mass" bike riot here. All these comfortably well off white folk and their expensive bikes are rioting.

333 code red 21  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:45:44pm

re: #329 Catttt

Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?

re: #329 Catttt

Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?

..and by their fruits you shall know them. I don't judge antibody's salvation but I darn sure can judge them on their fruits.

334 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:45:56pm

It's a strange thing. I can watch beheadings, stonings, bombings, and bodies blown to bits and hardly wince anymore.

But the minute I clicked on the first picture of this one, my right hand could not move fast enough to close the window. I resorted to the old Alt-F4 and exited right off the internet.

Now who wasn't telling me these people aren't militant again? Jackhammer Jesus, huh? Well, I would call that about as militant as it comes. This is in your face blasphemy.

Tell you one thing. When all this comes out, if there isn't a major backlash by the gay community calling for a stop to this crap, consider me a homophobe.

335 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:46:04pm

re: #331 Catttt

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Willies! Willies! Creepy! Ew!

What?


Isn't that a little judgemental?

336 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:46:52pm

Folks, this happens while at the same exact time, the public square is condemning Christmas in school as not to offend.

It is deeper than the morality issue.

It has everything to do with how a just society handles freedom.

If I am not a faithful person, but in a public school I am worried about the story of a baby Jesus, but this I do not have a problem with?

We as a society are then lost.

337 SnakeSpit  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:47:03pm

Imagine the surprize on the day of the Great White Throne judgement, when all, small and great, who rejected the knowledge of God will stand mute before the Great I Am. When Jesus the Lord will open the books and ALL will be judged according to what they did concerning Jesus, the Lamb of God. How will the designers of the baby jesus dildo fear and wail as they realize that their little god, Satan, led them straight to hell, to join him in the lake of fire. FOR ETERNITY! There IS, and will be no excuse.

Romans 1:20-For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
==================================================

Go ahead. Suck on. foo foo.

338 derek  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:47:04pm

re: #329 Catttt

Take a hike Cattt.

I know evil when I see it. If you want justify this, go right ahead.

339 Shug  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:47:35pm

ode to zombie

folsom street fair blues

I hear the freaks a comin'
They're rolling round the bend
and I ain't seen the sunshine since I don't know when,
I'm stuck in Folsom street fair, and time keeps draggin' on
but my Camera keeps a rollin' on dicks , fur and S& M..
When I was just a baby my mama told me. zombie,
always be a good zombie , don't ever miss a trick
But I shot a man in Berkeley just to post his pic
now every time smell patchouli I grab my camera quick

I bet there's perverts eating in Pelosi's dining car
they're probably drinkin' coffee and inserting big cigars.
Well I know I had it coming, I know I can't be free
but those protests keep a movin'
and that's what lures me...

Well if they'd free me from this prison,
if that cable car was mine
I bet I'd move just a little further down the line
far from Folsom street fair , that's where I want to stay
and I'd let that group of perverts, blow their blues away

340 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:48:17pm

re: #308 Rachinmo

Actually, I was surprised that there were public sex acts. I lived in San Francisco for 10 years, and still work there. The Folsom Street Fair was just something that was there, and I'd been told that it had become tame. Certainly, the last time I visited, it was nothing much.

So, yeah, it was a surprise to me.

341 derek  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:48:54pm

re: #324 Catttt

re: #300 Derek

re: #293 Catttt

Well, if you're a Christian, this is evil.

We disagree.

That's fantastic.

Who wrote your Bible?

342 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:49:03pm

re: #331 Catttt

Cattt, I am not a prude either.

I have partied, fooled around, and done my share of wild living.

As the adult, doing this while you are in plain view of a child, than you are, it is,

evil.

343 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:49:57pm

#334 goodbye_natalie 10/04/07 1:45:56 pm reply quote report 0


Tell you one thing. When all this comes out, if there isn't a major backlash by the gay community calling for a stop to this crap, consider me a homophobe

.

Just like with the stonings and beheadings, these types of militants want you and everyone else to become desensitized. To learn to ignore your natural aversion.

344 Darwin Akbar  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:50:08pm

I suspect there are men who attended this event who "do not like [B]ush."

Can someone photoshop Rage Boy into one of those photos? Had he been there in person, his eyes would have popped out of his head like "Large Marge" in "Pee-wee's Big Adventure."

Zombie, you are a better and braver man than me...it's one thing to wade into the moonbat swamps...but this is taking it to a whole different level. This makes the SF Gay Pride Parade seem mild and campy in comparison.

I have no problem with their fetishes, but the idea that the same city authorities that won't permit the Marines to film on a public street would permit public sex of that nature is truly disturbing.

Finally, is it possible to relocate San Fransico to a suburb of Amsterdam?

345 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:50:13pm

re: #321 Joel

None of us live in San Francisco.

In my case, not because of any sexual perversity that takes place, but because the City government does an abysmal job of taking care of basic services. SF city government is a disaster.

346 kcladderman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:51:41pm

We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

347 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:51:55pm

re: #335 hous bin pharteen

re: #331 Catttt

Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww! Willies! Willies! Creepy! Ew!

What?


Isn't that a little judgemental?

I knew someone would say that. No, because I'm not interfering with their pleasures - they just creep me out.

348 code red 21  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:52:32pm

re: #346 kcladderman

We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

LOL

349 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:52:46pm

re: #341 derek

re: #324 Catttt


re: #300 Derek

re: #293 Catttt

Well, if you're a Christian, this is evil.


We disagree.

That's fantastic.

Who wrote your Bible?

Oh, so you own Christianity, and if anyone disagrees, you go into attack mode. GAZE. I don't have time for you.

350 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:52:54pm

Again, Zombie, I think by Monday this will have hit Fox.

We know early because we are here.

I think this is going to be big.

351 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:53:00pm
Zombie, you are a better and braver man than me

Or woman?

352 Dave the.....  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:54:06pm

Maybe this will be one of Reilly's crusades. He loves to get a topic and pound it like.....(pick your funny analogy).

353 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:54:56pm

re: #258 storagemanager

I wish Drudge would pick this up..

We don't need Drudge...

354 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:55:13pm

re: #346 kcladderman

We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

Will there be sausage on display? Rump roast? Beaten (tenderized) meat?

355 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:55:24pm

re: #346 kcladderman

We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

The got a crazy kind of barby there..
I'm gonna get me some.

356 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:56:17pm

re: #345 Dianna

re: #321 Joel

None of us live in San Francisco.

In my case, not because of any sexual perversity that takes place, but because the City government does an abysmal job of taking care of basic services. SF city government is a disaster.

Dianna
Yes I heard that it is almost impossible to find affordable housing in San Francisco. Also the very liberal welfare benefits means that the numbers of homeless keeps rising.

357 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:56:18pm

re: #340 Dianna

I worry about young teens and children seeing this garbage.
I don't think GAYS or STRAIGHTS should be aloud to have sex in public like this, I thought it was illegal for health and public safety reasons?

358 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:56:45pm

TO: Catttt
RE: Judgement

"Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?" -- Catttt

Cattt, you ignorant slut. -- Dan Ackroyd (paraphrased)

Real christians, such as Derek, don't judge. We discern. And this IS 'evil'.

Judgment is left to the Father. Judgment entails the ultimate penalty, i.e., the Second Death.

Maybe, if you just happened to learn something, you wouldn't make such stupid remarks and actually learn how to use the Word to reproach christians who are making mistakes. Otherwise, you just look....'stupid'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

359 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:58:08pm

re: #357 Rachinmo

re: #340 Dianna

I worry about young teens and children seeing this garbage.
I don't think GAYS or STRAIGHTS should be aloud to have sex in public like this, I thought it was illegal for health and public safety reasons?

I'm wondering it if is illegal even in San Fran but that the honchos look the other way during this fair, catering to the constituency. The DEM honchos, I might add.

360 kcladderman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:58:13pm

re: #354 coquimbojoe

re: #346 kcladderman


We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

Will there be sausage on display? Rump roast? Beaten (tenderized) meat?

Come to think of it there is. Though the butt is pork and everyone chews the sausage before they swallow it.

361 Derek  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:58:45pm

re: #349 Catttt

Kthxbye.

362 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:58:51pm

re: #342 formercorpsman

re: #331 Catttt

Cattt, I am not a prude either.

I have partied, fooled around, and done my share of wild living.

As the adult, doing this while you are in plain view of a child, than you are, it is,

evil.

I AGREE.

363 The Other Les  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:58:54pm

Where is Oral Roberts and his 900-foot Jesus when we really need them?

364 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:59:04pm

Does the SF weirdos realize that the jihadis whom they love so much (or whitewash because the "real enemy" is George Bush) would execute them in a minute because of their perversions? I guess I know the answer.

365 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:59:19pm

re: #360 kcladderman

re: #354 coquimbojoe

re: #346 kcladderman

We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.

Will there be sausage on display? Rump roast? Beaten (tenderized) meat?
Come to think of it there is. Though the butt is pork and everyone chews the sausage before they swallow it.

I live in nC.

Sadly, I have been to KC many times for work but never tried the barbecue.

366 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 1:59:26pm

re: #358 Chuck Pelto

TO: Catttt
RE: Judgement

"Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?" -- Catttt

Cattt, you ignorant slut. -- Dan Ackroyd (paraphrased)

Real christians, such as Derek, don't judge. We discern. And this IS 'evil'.

Judgment is left to the Father. Judgment entails the ultimate penalty, i.e., the Second Death.

Maybe, if you just happened to learn something, you wouldn't make such stupid remarks and actually learn how to use the Word to reproach christians who are making mistakes. Otherwise, you just look....'stupid'.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Stupid, adj., Ignorant and proud of it.]

Can I get an amen?

Amen, my brother.

367 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:01:09pm

re: #121 Honorary Yooper

re: #38 albusteve

Zombie has the potential to be a superstar...stuff like this could bring down the Pelosi/Boxer/Feinstein regime...all HAIL!
If we want to do that, and make a really big stir, sending the link to Drudge could be an option.

/just sayin', I'm sure the rest of the country might like to know

My hamsters are already in meltdown mode as it is.

If someone wants to send the link to Drudge, they'll have to help me set up a mirror site first that has a server with a lot of horsepower!

Allah at HotAir already linked me too: I'll probably be be frozen up soon.

368 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:01:25pm

re: #316 hous bin pharteen

LGF has and eclectic variety of religious types, including atheists and agnostics.
Just wondering how many others would be surprised to wake up someday and find the Big One hit and SF slid into the ocean.

I don't think any of us would be surprised, but the comment section here at LGF would have thousands of reasons for WHY it happened.

369 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:01:36pm

re: #360 kcladderman

re: #354 coquimbojoe

re: #346 kcladderman


We are having a barbecue contest in Kansas City this weekend.


Will there be sausage on display? Rump roast? Beaten (tenderized) meat?

Come to think of it there is. Though the butt is pork and everyone chews the sausage before they swallow it.

Yikes!

370 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:01:57pm

re: #343 AirForceWife

I would like to point out that they are not taking their act on the road. They are not chasing after us, demanding that we watch.

This is an event that takes place once a year (zombie mentions a "warm-up" event that I'd never heard of). It is in a part of the City with not too many residents.

You are quite free not to like what they do, but calling them names and saying they are evil is quite unfair.

371 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:03:39pm

re: #370 Dianna

It is if they do it in front of kids, which, as Zombie showed, they did.


Then it becomes everyone's problem.

372 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:03:48pm

re: #362 Rachinmo

Don't get me wrong.

I am not piling on Cattt, I like her, and she sounds like a major blast to party with.

I would just say that I disagree with her on this one.

That whole culture is unto itself in San Fran.

It's one thing to have this lifestyle because we do have freedoms in this country.

It is another to knowingling push the depravity limit, especially if you know that kids will be there, and still participate.

Please tell me, please someone, tell me where there is any major difference between people bringing their kids to this, the people performing in front of the kids, and CBS setting up "to catch a predator"

Tell me.

373 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:05:32pm

I'm just wondering - the Supreme Court stated that local custom applies in cases of porn. Does the dem establishment want us to think this is local custom for the majority in San Fran? Just wondering.

374 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:06:11pm

re: #356 Joel

Oh, groan! The homeless!

I work for a charity, so take this as informed (and exasperated) commentary: there very nearly are two agencies for every homeless person in SF, doing everything except press-ganging them into accepting help. It's very discouraging.

375 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:07:47pm

re: #371 astronmr20

I'm still having trouble with the page; how far down to the proof of kids?

Please don't point me to the 2005 picture and article that Michelle Malkin put up.

376 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:08:34pm

re: #374 Dianna

I was told by a friend who just came back from SF that the Mission district is particularly bad (re: homeless).

377 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:08:53pm

re: #364 Joel

Does the SF weirdos realize that the jihadis whom they love so much (or whitewash because the "real enemy" is George Bush) would execute them in a minute because of their perversions? I guess I know the answer.

THAT is what gets me..I have seen a picture of a women with a sign that said QUEERS for Palestine! I'm a Christian and I would never want the death of any Gay person for just being Gay, like the followers of ISLAM still do today.
This SF liberals are such tools.

378 stuck-in-ca  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:09:00pm

I'm sorry to say this, but I am praying for a large earthquake to take out that part of town. That's the only thing that can cleanse it. There are no other words.

379 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:09:18pm

re: #339 Shug

Bravo!

380 Abdullah al-Libi  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:09:36pm

Didn't a demonically possessed Regan use a Crucifix as a sex toy in "The Exorcist"? That company making the religious sex toys should be ashamed.

381 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:10:44pm

re: #377 Rachinmo

Yes I saw the "Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism" demonstration - yeah go to Gaza and pronounce yourself a queer, make a pass at Mahmoud and see how long before you are strung up on a meat hook like Mussolini.

382 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:12:35pm

re: #372 formercorpsman

re: #362 Rachinmo

Don't get me wrong.

I am not piling on Cattt, I like her, and she sounds like a major blast to party with.

I would just say that I disagree with her on this one.

That whole culture is unto itself in San Fran.

It's one thing to have this lifestyle because we do have freedoms in this country.

It is another to knowingling push the depravity limit, especially if you know that kids will be there, and still participate.

Please tell me, please someone, tell me where there is any major difference between people bringing their kids to this, the people performing in front of the kids, and CBS setting up "to catch a predator"

Tell me.

I know you are not piling on. Stating disagreement is totally different from owning Christianity and condemning people willy nilly.

I totally agree about the issue of children. I also do not think this should be done in public - private clubs abound with plenty of room for these people to do what they want, in an adult environment. It does not shock me, but that doesn't mean I think it should go on in public, on the street. No.

That someone (like those two ladies in the one pic) can be exposed to this just by the misfortune of being in the hood at the time is, to me, wrong. I didn't like San Fran in the 70s for this very reason. My bone (no pun intended) to pick with the other person here had nothing to do with any of this. He was playing God, and it is unChristian to do so, and he is a hypocrite. My opinion, of course.

I fault the Dem establishment for pandering to this consituency, allowing such to happen in public, then acting oh so good and holy and perfect in the national media.

383 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:13:35pm

re: #370 Dianna

re: #343 AirForceWife

I would like to point out that they are not taking their act on the road. They are not chasing after us, demanding that we watch.

This is an event that takes place once a year (zombie mentions a "warm-up" event that I'd never heard of). It is in a part of the City with not too many residents.

You are quite free not to like what they do, but calling them names and saying they are evil is quite unfair.

There is nothing 'unfair' about it. The behavior is wrong on many levels. I AM religious, but it is not the homosexuality that bothers me. The public displays of sex is degrading to everyone. The uncleanliness of it all. The desire for sex with out consequences, or relationships attacks a lot of wha tour society is founded upon. The accompanying diseases that we as taxpayer help fund research on (now that is unfair). Flambouyant displays of sexuality in public are silly, actual sex in public is wrong. If it doesn't benefit society, if it is dangerous, if it tears at the fabric that keeps our country together, it is fair vto call it 'evil'.

Evil is subjective in many cases, but when you are hard pressed to explain the benefits of a behavior, and can only say 'don't judge', then YOU need to be quiet. I don't judge those people, that is God's doing, but I can easily say, that behavior is evil, I will not engage in it, and I will raise up my children not either. I will also work to keep it off my streets. Take it someplace private.

384 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:14:12pm

re: #357 Rachinmo

I worry about it, too. But the city has decided, evidently, that if they can confine the event to one day and a circumscribed area, that will do.

If you think it would do any good (and I don't - but I think SF's Board of Supervisors is out of its senses), contact the Supes.

Remember, Dianne Feinstein had a terrible time getting the bathhouses shut down when AIDS was raging back in the early 80's. She faced a recall and a whole lot of condemnation, which seemed just backwards.

385 ec marm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:14:17pm

Thank you, Zombie for your well written, bias free, 'just the facts' style of reporting. I can now draw my own conclusion about the event and Miller Brewing can not deny that their support implies approval. It is truly disheartening to see police in a major American city turn their back on, at minimum, lewd and lascivious behavior. My tourist dollar will never be spent in that city again. Not out any anti-gay agenda, but simply because I believe consenting adults have a time and a place for their activities. In broad daylight in the streets? Since when have humans devolved to the level of dogs?

386 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:15:59pm

re: #385 ec marm

Amen, sister!

387 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:16:24pm

re: #376 Joel

The Mission is just awful.

A friend of mine lived there, and it was disgusting. Dirty, open prostitution, obvious drug use, and yes, the homeless (though their thickest concentrations seem to me to be around 5th and Mission and surrounding areas). Let's not even talk about the rats.

Shudder.

388 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:16:45pm

re: #371 astronmr20

re: #370 Dianna

It is if they do it in front of kids, which, as Zombie showed, they did.


Then it becomes everyone's problem.

Actually, I did not show any children in my report.

Not that I didn't see underage people there. I may very well have. (I didn't check their IDs, though I did see several boys and girls who looked to be underage -- in the 14-17-year-old range.) I did NOT see any toddlers, however.

I took photos of the young people, but after consulting various legal resources, decided that I should NOT post them, regardless of how inflammatory they might be. If I did, I'd be a wanted criminal in Great Britain, for one.

It's OK to post photos of children online. And it's sorta OK to post sex pictures online. But it is NEVER OK to post them on the same page.

So I left them off.

389 Joel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:18:51pm

re: #387 Dianna

I also have been told that the city (or at least parts of the city) has been getting dirtier and dirtier due to bad city services and the piggishness of many of its residents. The smell of urine is quite prevalent in some neighborhoods. I think that all the productive middle class people have been driven out of SF and the city is left to the very wealthy and the lower classes who seem to think that life is one big entitlement.

390 SnakeSpit  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:18:58pm

re: #349 Catttt
Catt, why don't you read my 337? What part of those scriptures don't you understand?

391 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:19:30pm

re: #372 formercorpsman

I'm a Christian, but I far from perfect. I believe in freedom and free will, except when it comes to kids. When ADULTS go out of their way to corrupt kids like at this street fair...JAIL.

392 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:20:22pm

re: #388 zombie

Zombie, just so I am clear, and I understand there would be no way for your to know for sure.

Would it be your person on the street impression that the folks you imagine to be under the age of consent, have an adult in their company at the fair?

393 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:20:47pm

re: #390 SnakeSpit

re: #349 Catttt
Catt, why don't you read my 337? What part of those scriptures don't you understand?

Leave me alone. I neither agree nor disagree. I simply don't like you.

394 coquimbojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:21:40pm

re: #393 Catttt

I like your style (I like you)!

395 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:21:40pm

re: #391 Rachinmo

Agree on that point no doubt.

396 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:22:56pm

re: #387 Dianna

re: #376 Joel

The Mission is just awful.

A friend of mine lived there, and it was disgusting. Dirty, open prostitution, obvious drug use, and yes, the homeless (though their thickest concentrations seem to me to be around 5th and Mission and surrounding areas). Let's not even talk about the rats.

Shudder.

Jeez. Do most of the homeless want to be so? I get the impression that many of them are mentally ill. It's truly sad.

397 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:23:29pm

re: #394 coquimbojoe

re: #393 Catttt

I like your style (I like you)!

:) Thank you, hon.

398 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:24:34pm

re: #392 formercorpsman

Would it be your person on the street impression that the folks you imagine to be under the age of consent, have an adult in their company at the fair?

You mean, were they brought by their parents?

Didn't look that way to me. By themselves, or, more commonly, in gaggles.

Couldn't say for sure.

I saw one "twink," a youngish-looking adolescent boy, shirtless, with other shirtless adults. I doubt they were his parents. (I didn't take his picture.) Also a group of what looked like high-school girls in fetish-y outfits. A "goth lolita" girl all by herself who looked quite young -- 14 or 15.

399 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:26:12pm

re: #398 zombie

I see.

It does make me wonder, if cops were there, and we card for alcohol and cigarettes, .....

400 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:27:57pm

re: #388 zombie

re: #371 astronmr20


re: #370 Dianna

It is if they do it in front of kids, which, as Zombie showed, they did.


Then it becomes everyone's problem.


It's OK to post photos of children online. And it's sorta OK to post sex pictures online. But it is NEVER OK to post them on the same page.

So I left them off.

Maybe you could have a totally separate page with just the pictures of these young teens at this fair..without the adult stuff?

401 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:31:35pm

re: #352 Dave the.....

Maybe this will be one of Reilly's crusades. He loves to get a topic and pound it like.....(pick your funny analogy).

I don't find a THING funny about this public depravity

402 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:31:53pm

re: #400 Rachinmo

re: #388 zombie


re: #371 astronmr20

re: #370 Dianna
It is if they do it in front of kids, which, as Zombie showed, they did.


Then it becomes everyone's problem.


It's OK to post photos of children online. And it's sorta OK to post sex pictures online. But it is NEVER OK to post them on the same page.

So I left them off.


Maybe you could have a totally separate page with just the pictures of these young teens at this fair..without the adult stuff?


Just so the MSM can see that there was a *possibility* of underage kids being there.

403 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:32:06pm

re: #400 Rachinmo

Maybe you could have a totally separate page with just the pictures of these young teens at this fair..without the adult stuff?

No, I've decided not to get near that debate with a ten-inch pole.


I know how the Left can twist things. I'd be branded with the "pedophilia" brand in two seconds flat, even though I'd only be documenting what other people did, and even if they weren't on the same Web page.

Look how they twist the words of Rush Limbaugh; Look at they slander and smear anyone who poses a threat.

Nope. Ain't gonna do it. "Adults only," and it's gonna stay that way.

404 Spiny Norman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:32:45pm

Looks like zombie's hamsters are fending off an "Attack of the Living Dead Lizards".

The page cannot be displayed

The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.


:^(

405 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:35:49pm

re: #390 SnakeSpit

re: #349 Catttt
Catt, why don't you read my 337? What part of those scriptures don't you understand?

I don't need quoted scripture to know that what is going on on Folsom St. is evil. The sick feeling in my stomach and the black shadow on my soul tells me that.

406 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:36:39pm

re: #404 Spiny Norman

Looks like zombie's hamsters are fending off an "Attack of the Living Dead Lizards".

The page cannot be displayedThe page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.

:^(

Anybody want to help me set up a mirror on a server with a lot of bandwidth?

407 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:37:07pm

If so, email me at zombie at zombietime dot com.

408 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:37:30pm

re: #403 zombie

re: #400 Rachinmo


Maybe you could have a totally separate page with just the pictures of these young teens at this fair..without the adult stuff?

No, I've decided not to get near that debate with a ten-inch pole.


I know how the Left can twist things. I'd be branded with the "pedophilia" brand in two seconds flat, even though I'd only be documenting what other people did, and even if they weren't on the same Web page.

Look how they twist the words of Rush Limbaugh; Look at they slander and smear anyone who poses a threat.

Nope. Ain't gonna do it. "Adults only," and it's gonna stay that way.

You are wise.

Question (if you can answer it) - did you have a hidden camera, or did people know you were taking the pics?

409 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:39:00pm

re: #57 Killgore Trout

Sir, I am not chastizing you for what you said but I just want to mention that the reason they get away with this sickness is because there are so many people that are open minded about it!

I am sure they have been doing this stuff in private in San Francisco for a long time now.

Please think about what you said, about being open minded and all that.

Like I said, I am not flaming you one bit.

SF
Bill

410 uncle_monkey  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:40:40pm

re: #404 Spiny Norman

At lease Zombie's hamsters are safe inside a server.

I shudder to think of the ones at the fair.

Zombie, you are far braver than I'll ever be!

411 capitalist piglet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:41:03pm

re: #329 Catttt

Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?

This is an abused and often misunderstood biblical concept. As I understand it, the ability to discern (and the necessity of being discerning) is still on the table, and encouraged.

I didn't see all the commentary that led up to this, so please forgive me if I'm taking your remarks out of context.

I don't think every single one of these people have evil intent (many of them are simply indulgent, as you said), but I definitely think there is evil at work here. How could any Christian question whether this sort of thing grieves the Holy Spirit? How could anyone ignore the mocking of Christ by the sex toy retailer? Truly foul stuff here.

412 Rachinmo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:42:45pm

re: #403 zombie

re: #400 Rachinmo


Maybe you could have a totally separate page with just the pictures of these young teens at this fair..without the adult stuff?

No, I've decided not to get near that debate with a ten-inch pole.


I know how the Left can twist things. I'd be branded with the "pedophilia" brand in two seconds flat, even though I'd only be documenting what other people did, and even if they weren't on the same Web page.

Look how they twist the words of Rush Limbaugh; Look at they slander and smear anyone who poses a threat.

Nope. Ain't gonna do it. "Adults only," and it's gonna stay that way.

I don't blame you.
It's just frustating because I heard one man on Fox News say there was no public sex going on at this fair..and I'm SURE they will lie about kids not being there and people will believe it.
I could care less about these people at the fair making fun of my Religion, but they are doing sex act's in public where kids could see.
I hope Fox picks your story up.

413 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:43:28pm

re: #329 Catttt

Judge not lest you be judged, Derek. Ring a bell?

Humans were given judgement so they can exercise it. We judge every day in every way. You are neither non-judgemental nor superior because you are tolerant of depravity. You are judging Derek. He has the same right.

414 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:43:42pm

re: #383 coquimbojoe

I don't like it either. But re-read what I said.

My dearest wish is that this matter had never come up. Since it has, it's important that zombie report, as he or she has, accurately, because the press doesn't.

415 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:45:14pm

re: #388 zombie

So people are conflating your pictures and the 2005 article about the fair that showed the toddlers?

416 opnion  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:45:32pm

Ever get busted as a kid for drinking too much beer & relieving yourself on the side of the road for indecent exposure?
Then you look at this freak show.I am convinced if you have total disregard for the law you get a lot of slack.

417 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:46:41pm

re: #94 squarepeg

1) I can't say because I had seen enough in part one so that I did not really care to see part two.

2) That would be all fine and good if the kids did not see it but of course you know that they will. After all, don't they damn near teach homosexuality in the schools now days?

SF
Bill

418 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:47:01pm

re: #408 Catttt

Question (if you can answer it) - did you have a hidden camera, or did people know you were taking the pics?

Unfortunately, I can't answer that question. Sorry!

419 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:49:26pm

re: #415 Dianna

re: #388 zombie

So people are conflating your pictures and the 2005 article about the fair that showed the toddlers?

Seems to be the case.

My photo-essay has nothing to do with children. I don't depict them, or mention them, one way or the other. The topic was not broached (on purpose).

420 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:49:27pm

re: #95 maddogg

Hick? Don't sell yourself short, we have many superlatives to brag about. Now, I know there will be many comments (or at least thoughs) about a certain President of the United States; leaving that aside. (G)

SF
Bill

421 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:51:12pm

re: #396 Catttt

Many are. There are a number of agencies, really dedicated people, who reach out for those with what they insist on describing as "multiple challenges."

Then there are many who are drug addicts or drunks, and don't want to be anything else. Those are the ones that make me (and a lot of other people) angry.

422 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:51:28pm

#370 Dianna 10/04/07 2:01:57 pm reply quote report -2

re: #343 AirForceWife

I would like to point out that they are not taking their act on the road. They are not chasing after us, demanding that we watch.

This is an event that takes place once a year (zombie mentions a "warm-up" event that I'd never heard of). It is in a part of the City with not too many residents.

You are quite free not to like what they do, but calling them names and saying they are evil is quite unfair.

They did this in public. Society is bombarded constantly with the constant talk about homosexuality and how natural and normal it is. The constant bombardment puts images in people's minds and that is exactly what the militant ones want. To densensitize people (the younger the better) so they will lose their natural aversion to it.

Where did I call them names? Why is it so very important to people that other people accept what they do as normal? I don't care if gay people think that the heterosexual sex I have with my husband is gross. I am secure enough about my own sexuality that I don't need any validatin from anyone else.

Why are they so pissed at the church for not accepting it that they take this anger out in ways like public displays of buttplugs in the shape of Jesus and the Virgin Mary? I am so offended by this that there are no words. I'm so pissed. I am so sick and tired of having my religion under attack and sick and tired of having ideas pushed on me and told that I am some kind of hateful person if I don't agree. I hate that my kids are bombarded daily at school with this crap. There are limits to tolerance just like there are limits to everything and I have hit my limit.

It's like the concept of forgiveness. Like everything, it is not without limit and irrational people don't get that. I believe in forgiveness just like I believe in tolerance but someone murders one of my kids, and there is no way in hell I am going to forgive them. There is a limit and militants like this have pushed me to it. Do I hate all gay people? I don't have it in me to....but this shit has got to stop.

423 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:56:50pm

re: #418 zombie

re: #408 Catttt


Question (if you can answer it) - did you have a hidden camera, or did people know you were taking the pics?

Unfortunately, I can't answer that question. Sorry!

I figured. :)

My visual picture of you (it's in my head that way and stuck solid) would so attract too much attention at this gathering! I still think of you that way, however.

424 SnakeSpit  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:56:58pm

re: #393 Catttt

Take a tag. Either you believe or you don't. Get off this politically correct, tolerance crap. Get you a slab and lay it out. Otherwise STFU.

425 MeatPopsicle  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 2:58:13pm

They can close down city blocks and snarl traffic for that, but not for a small little TV commercial for the military?

...and there are California LAWS that cover public indecency. Last I heard, public streets are public places. People get arrested for indecent exposure for pissing outdoors in a park. San Francisco gives an exemption to STATE LAW so those reprobates can orally fellate eachother and expose themselves over several blocks of public streets?

San Francisco is the foulest most disgustingly putrid city in all of America. The DEMOCRAT speaker of the House, OUR GOVERNMENT SPEAKER, hails from there and represents that city. It so stands to reason.

Once we have a Democrat President and an overwhelming majority of Democrats in Congress, we can look forward to seeing this behavior in evfery city in America. Your children and your grandchildren will see this sort of thing and will have been indoctrinated that it's NORMAL BEHAVIOR.

Ugh... San Francisco is such a foul f***ed up city. California's just a f***ed up state all around.

426 SnakeSpit  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:00:36pm

re: #405 Stuck-in-CA
I quoted the scriptures to show that I'm not making judgement. Someone worthy of making judgement has already done it.

427 code red 21  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:01:49pm

re: #385 ec marm

"Since when have humans devolved to the level of dogs"


Since we have been told we can't judge this sort of behavior, that's when.

428 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:04:23pm

re: #422 AirForceWife

Fine. Whatever. But the people at the fair are not the ones publicizing it and turning it into a debate.

As I said, my dearest wish is that this had never become an issue.

429 uptight  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:04:52pm

The pictures don't show up in Firefox.

Having checked out the page in Internet Explorer, I'd advise anyone with a weak stomach to view it with Firefox!

Can't these people be arrested? If it was hetrosexuals copulating in broad daylight, I'm sure they would be.

430 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:06:38pm

TO: Rachimo
RE: Just 'Jail'?

"When ADULTS go out of their way to corrupt kids like at this street fair...JAIL." -- Rachimo

I think there's a better way of putting it....

And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea. -- Mark 9:42

Regards,

Chuck(le)

431 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:06:46pm

re: #425 MeatPopsicle

I agree in principle, but look at the street map of SF before you go off.

432 stevieray  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:07:59pm

Eh... I've seen worse.

433 Trumpeter  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:08:53pm

Zombie's report on is most enlightening.

These oppressed people are the protected heroes of the Socialists, and have reached the status of the Medieval saints. In several European it is illegal to criticize them, including in France. I the USA you can lose your job after a critical remark.

Seeing what kind of people the Leftists worship provides a certain insight into their political choices and argumentation.

434 RobCon  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:10:50pm

These photos do not exactly prove Bin Laden wrong about us.

435 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:14:15pm

re: #156 tempest67

Sure, it is just human nature like people slowing down as they drive past a crash site. Almost everybody does it.

What is your point though?

SF
Bill

436 David IV of Georgia  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:14:36pm

re: #300 Derek

re: #293 Catttt

Well, if you're a Christian, this is evil.

If you are human, this is evil.

437 zombie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:16:31pm

Uh-oh, now I'm on Hot Air AND Ace of Spades, and LGF of course.

Let the onslaught begin.

438 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:16:35pm

#428 Dianna 10/04/07 3:04:23 pm reply quote report 0

re: #422 AirForceWife

Fine. Whatever. But the people at the fair are not the ones publicizing it and turning it into a debate.

As I said, my dearest wish is that this had never become an issue.

Why do you think they did these things in public in the first place? Gay bars aren't public enough for them? It's to keep pushing and pushing and pushing. Those that participated most certainly do want this to become a national debate because they know what will come out of it is more indoctrination of the impressionable because anybody and everybody who publicly criticizes it will be demonized as intolerant bigots.

439 southernborn  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:16:50pm

That is some sick Sh***t. And Im thinking it sure is a shame the hell these sick sobs bring down on gay people who do not behave that way.

440 socalinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:17:54pm

Wow, so these are the people who voted for Nancy Pelosi....Her constituency is pretty scary, I must say....I dont think I will ever understand.....oh, and ron paul!

441 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:18:41pm

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Could you explain how you can understand such things?

I am not trying to be sarcastic, I really am wondering how anyone can understand such depravity.

SF
Bill

442 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:19:28pm

re: #422 AirForceWife

#370 Dianna 10/04/07 2:01:57 pm reply quote report -2


re: #343 AirForceWife
I would like to point out that they are not taking their act on the road. They are not chasing after us, demanding that we watch.

This is an event that takes place once a year (zombie mentions a "warm-up" event that I'd never heard of). It is in a part of the City with not too many residents.

You are quite free not to like what they do, but calling them names and saying they are evil is quite unfair.


They did this in public. Society is bombarded constantly with the constant talk about homosexuality and how natural and normal it is. The constant bombardment puts images in people's minds and that is exactly what the militant ones want. To densensitize people (the younger the better) so they will lose their natural aversion to it.

Where did I call them names? Why is it so very important to people that other people accept what they do as normal? I don't care if gay people think that the heterosexual sex I have with my husband is gross. I am secure enough about my own sexuality that I don't need any validatin from anyone else.

Why are they so pissed at the church for not accepting it that they take this anger out in ways like public displays of buttplugs in the shape of Jesus and the Virgin Mary? I am so offended by this that there are no words. I'm so pissed. I am so sick and tired of having my religion under attack and sick and tired of having ideas pushed on me and told that I am some kind of hateful person if I don't agree. I hate that my kids are bombarded daily at school with this crap. There are limits to tolerance just like there are limits to everything and I have hit my limit.

It's like the concept of forgiveness. Like everything, it is not without limit and irrational people don't get that. I believe in forgiveness just like I believe in tolerance but someone murders one of my kids, and there is no way in hell I am going to forgive them. There is a limit and militants like this have pushed me to it. Do I hate all gay people? I don't have it in me to....but this shit has got to stop.

I'm stuck somewhere in the middle of the debate you, AirforceWife, and Catttt are having (and I haven't read EVERY single post, so please forgive me if I'm mistaking someone's stance - but I think I got the gist). I think this stuff is appalling, and agree that if this were heteros, they'd all be in jail (or at the very least, there'd be a lot more news coverage). I think this is taking it WAY too far, but the attention is why they're doing it - and they're getting it. However, I also think they're just like heteros - some live quiet lives, not bothering anyone, and others are - well, others are in these pictures. I know some gay people (they're my family members), and trust me, they are even more appalled at this stuff than I am, because it does NOTHING to help the cause the mainstream groups are looking to promote. This is very obviously completely on the edge, acts performed by people who aren't mainstream in ANY facet of their lives, sexuality is just one part of that.

I guess what caught my eye in your post was the concept of 'forgiveness,' which I'm not sure they need from you, and the comment regarding the murder of your children. I realize you were just making a point, and I'm rarely so literal, but please don't compare one to the other - you can hardly say these people have had the effect on your life (or are as evil) as someone who would kill your kids. I just feel like there's a perspective here, and that might losing it a little bit. (As I said, I know you didn't mean it literally, so please don't point that out, I just wanted to put the 'relative evil' point out there).

443 southernborn[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:19:35pm
444 socalinfidel[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:21:26pm
445 southernborn  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:21:35pm

uh oh...I left out the /

446 siiras  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:21:38pm

It's difficult not to think back to the Fall of Rome and other great civilizations. There was always a rise in licentiousness of all kinds, including depraved and public sex, use of alcohol and other stimulants, desecration of religion and religious objects.

Seeing this and the realization that we as a society now tolerate it, that our laws, law enforcement and governing bodies all actively collude to make it possible under the guise of "human rights"is depressing, to say the least.

These are people exhibiting every illness of sexual addiction on public streets to approval and co-operation as Zombie pointed out, since whatever else their fetish, they share exhibitionism and they've got a willing audience.

The majority of gay men exhibit other sexual dysphorias, primarily promiscuity (70 to 80%). The "married" gays with white picket fences are in the wee minority but they have been made the public face of gayness and gay demands whereas Folsom is much more representative of the true state of affairs.

447 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:22:43pm
448 southernborn  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:22:44pm

#444 socalinfidel

re: #443 southernborn

Now, that may be a lil harsh


Yeah, big joke.

449 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:23:13pm
450 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:24:14pm

re: #438 AirForceWife

How long has the Folsom Street Fair been going on? I'm not even sure, though there's probably some history of it somewhere.

I first heard about it in the late 80's (when I was still living in SF). I've seen posters for it on occasion over the years. There's always at least a couple articles locally, but I usually pass them over.

The leather types weren't pushing this.

451 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:24:53pm

re: #204 Chuck Pelto

Back in May of '94 when he trotted out (1) there'd be a major earthquake on a particular Saturday

Got a link, Chuck?

On that day there was an 8+ quake 400+ miles under the Andes, which surprised all the geologists I talked to at USGS

These geologists were surprised at an earthquake happening in an active seismic zone like the Andes?

(2) on the same day "the mask would be ripped off of the face of evil".

Ah, real specific prediction, that one. I love it. But of course clearly it refers to some remarks Clinton made, right?

Then there's the business about his suggesting, before the 2004 election, that Bush II should 'nuke the State Department'.

Um... that's a policy recommendation, Chuck, not some divinely-inspired "prediction".

On a third item, regarding President [now-for-life] Hugo Chavez and Pat suggesting the US should 'take him out', seems that Pat was right there as well.

We assassinated Chavez?! Man, I simply must start paying closer attention to the news. When did it happen? Details, man, I want details!

Or... are you once again confusing a recommendation with a prediction?

Oh, and while we're on Pat Robertson predictions: Whatever happened to that tsunami that was supposed to hit the Pacific Northwest in 2006? Or the "intense storms" that were supposed to "lash [our] coasts" (actually, 2006 was a relatively mild year for storms)?

But based on your past performance here

Stop worrying about my past performance, and check out the past performance on the Prophet Pat.

452 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:24:56pm

re: #184 cygnus

Yes, absolutely, that is the 64,000 question. Why does the city sanction this?

SF
Bill

453 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:25:15pm

#434 RobCon 10/04/07 3:10:50 pm reply quote report

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These photos do not exactly prove Bin Laden wrong about us.

As vile and perverted I believe radical Islam to be, whenever I hear a story about some child rapist or murderer getting out of prison after less than 10 years where he got to sit around and watch TV and play checkers as opposed to hard labor, I have to rethink the idea that we are really so much better. There is no shortage of people in our own culture that love to defend evil. We are overall a sick, sick society regardless of how many of us can look down our noses at Radical Islam in good conscience. Releasing child predators and violent murderers right back onto the streets to cause even more pain and suffering to the innocent is not an indication of a society that is too morally superior to many others.

454 astronmr20  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:25:22pm

re: #375 Dianna

re: #371 astronmr20

I'm still having trouble with the page; how far down to the proof of kids?

Please don't point me to the 2005 picture and article that Michelle Malkin put up.

Diana,

I was under the impression that kids were there, and perhaps the pic of the little girl in the collar (malkin's site) was what made me think that...

455 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:26:20pm

I have to agree with those here who have said they're more bothered by the sight of kids being killed or, say, Daniel Pearl being beheaded....it's like in movies, sex will get an automatic NC17 rating, but endless gory violence just packs the theaters (with kids, mostly). I'm not suggesting this is vanilla sex that one can see at the local cinema, but I'm sure you see my point - violence, murder, child abuse (sexual and otherwise) - all these things disturb me a LOT more than these pics. My main objection to this whole scene is the fact that apparently there WERE kids there, and if that's the case, of course it bothers me - it'd bother me just as much if kids were in the room during the filming of a hetero porn film.

Put it this way - in an hour, I will have forgotten all about the Folsom Freak Show, but I will never forget the screams on the Nick Berg video.

456 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:27:11pm

re: #447 ploome hineni

An event that the press pretends is much quieter than it is.

Which is the reason for zombie's report.

The reactions are...well, interesting.

457 Ezekiel2517  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:27:39pm

Zombie, spending 45 minutes at the FSF during the earlier part of the afternoon isn't enough to get an accurate survey.

To see what it's really about, someone needs to video the after party.

They save the worst of the worst for after the sun goes down and the public lookieloos go home.

I say this as a former bay area resident for 18 years, and former renaissance faire worker.

Regrettably, it's hard to get into the after party unless you work in some capacity at one of the fair booths, events, admin staff or security.

458 Chuck Pelto  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:27:46pm

TO: Occasional Reader [and continual blowhard]
RE: Links?

1994?

Better make direct contact with 700 Club, buckie.

Regards,

Chuck(le)
[Who died and made me your step-and-fetch?]

459 southernborn  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:28:30pm

I don't believe ALL of those people are gay. I think every other kind of sicko just came to the zoo.

460 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:29:02pm

re: #454 astronmr20

I think a lot of people got confused about that.

461 Dianna  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:30:25pm

re: #457 Ezekiel2517

That's not public, though?

462 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:31:46pm
463 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:31:54pm

re: #458 Chuck Pelto

In other words, you can't back up anything in that previous post of yours. Thanks for clarifying.

464 Annelid[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:34:08pm
465 Soccer Fan  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:36:14pm

Isn't this the kind of stuff that chimpybushitler would outlaw if he was elected president way back in 2000? I thought that we were in a Christian theocracy dictatorship that watched our very move in and out of the bedroom? How is this allowed to continue? Calling Charlie Sheen, Cameron Diaz, Rosie O'Donnell and Alex Baldwin for answers....

466 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:36:32pm

re: #425 MeatPopsicle


Ugh... San Francisco is such a foul f***ed up city. California's just a f***ed up state all around.

AMEN to that.

467 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:37:49pm

re: #426 SnakeSpit

re: #405 Stuck-in-CA
I quoted the scriptures to show that I'm not making judgement. Someone worthy of making judgement has already done it.

We have both the ability and the obligation to judge.

468 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:39:16pm

re: #455 Lorenska

I have to agree with those here who have said they're more bothered by the sight of kids being killed or, say, Daniel Pearl being beheaded....it's like in movies, sex will get an automatic NC17 rating, but endless gory violence just packs the theaters (with kids, mostly). I'm not suggesting this is vanilla sex that one can see at the local cinema, but I'm sure you see my point - violence, murder, child abuse (sexual and otherwise) - all these things disturb me a LOT more than these pics. My main objection to this whole scene is the fact that apparently there WERE kids there, and if that's the case, of course it bothers me - it'd bother me just as much if kids were in the room during the filming of a hetero porn film.

Put it this way - in an hour, I will have forgotten all about the Folsom Freak Show, but I will never forget the screams on the Nick Berg video.

Well put.

469 Occasional Reader  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:41:38pm

re: #465 Soccer Fan

Isn't this the kind of stuff that chimpybushitler would outlaw if he was elected president way back in 2000? I thought that we were in a Christian theocracy dictatorship that watched our very move in and out of the bedroom? How is this allowed to continue? Calling Charlie Sheen, Cameron Diaz, Rosie O'Donnell and Alex Baldwin for answers....

You see, it was only by Charlie, Cameron, Rosie, Alex and the like raising their Brave Voices of Dissent that the Evil Overlord Bush was beaten back - just barely - from his planned massacres of gays and non-Christians. C'mon, get with the talking points!

470 Reluctant Democrat  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:42:09pm

All those penii get sort of boring after a while, don't they?

471 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:42:12pm

re: #441 BillLangston

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Could you explain how you can understand such things?

I am not trying to be sarcastic, I really am wondering how anyone can understand such depravity.

SF
Bill

They have already been successfully brainwashed.

472 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:46:48pm

Is anybody else having trouble viewing the pictures? I click the "I'm 18" button on the page, but all it does is take me back to the original website...

473 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:48:13pm

(walks away shaking head at zombie's photos)

/dyke who just DOESN'T understand most gay men, and just wishes to puke up her lunch at even what was photographed.

In some respects, it is kinda sad that they, imho, have so little apparent core-self-respect.

474 Charles  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:49:39pm

I've now issued three warnings to people about making 'jokes' about snipers, etc. There will be no more warnings, just blocked accounts.

475 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:51:45pm

Why do I get the feeling that the spectators think they are at a zoo of sorts?

476 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:52:06pm

#442 Lorenska 10/04/07 3:19:28 pm reply quote report


I guess what caught my eye in your post was the concept of 'forgiveness,' which I'm not sure they need from you, and the comment regarding the murder of your children. I realize you were just making a point, and I'm rarely so literal, but please don't compare one to the other - you can hardly say these people have had the effect on your life (or are as evil) as someone who would kill your kids. I just feel like there's a perspective here, and that might losing it a little bit. (As I said, I know you didn't mean it literally, so please don't point that out, I just wanted to put the 'relative evil' point out there).

I was not comparing those who murder to these people. I was making a point about how things have their limits. I also did not say that homosexuals need forgiveness from me. I was making an analogy between two concepts (forgiveness and tolerance) to further explain my point about limits.

477 TalkinKamel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:55:52pm

Cattt

Euuuuuu, Furries! Euuuu, Euuuuuuuuuuuu, Gross! Willies, willies, those creepy willies!

(Calming down a bit---I fear the furries might be an offshoot of the whole fanboy/sci-fi/comic-book/computer geek scene, one of the stranger ones.)

Euuuuu, get away from me, creepy willies, get away!

478 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:56:30pm

#422 Airforcewife

You took the words right out of my mouth! Thanks!

479 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:58:23pm

How about the Jesus Jackhammers or the Jesus buttplugs? Should we put those to rest too or can we cast judgement about those who would mock the One whom many of us consider God?

Anybody here who could possibly, even remotely, minimize this level of depravity is a good reminder to me that there are many here on this board who are really no closer to me than the KKKos Kidz, no matter how they vote, what else they post, or who they like.

480 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 3:58:32pm

re: #462 ploome hineni

these people should be put on some island and left there

they can butt plug themselves and each other all day

/whoopie

Ironically, since SF is on a peninsula, it wouldn't be (in the grand scheme of things) that difficult. Impractical, but...

I'm simply satisfied with spending my money someplace else, and not visiting the place. I miss being able to go directly to Ghirardelli Square for their chocolate, Fisherman's Wharf (and enjoy hot clam chowder served in a San Francisco sourdough "round" bread bowl), or watch the fog roll in from a window seat at Fisherman's Grotto/ Alioto's...

...but, it is just too weird.

481 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:00:55pm

re: #477 TalkinKamel


I think that the furries are. I've heard about them showing up at sci-fi fan conventions.

482 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:02:58pm

After having viewed the pix, there was not one single attractive person there! Amazing!

483 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:03:37pm

#455 Lorenska 10/04/07 3:26:20 pm reply quote report

My main objection to this whole scene is the fact that apparently there WERE kids there, and if that's the case, of course it bothers me - it'd bother me just as much if kids were in the room during the filming of a hetero porn film.

My main objection is that there is not one sex act shown that cannot be done in private or a large gathering in private if exhibitionism is part of what gets these people off. This is not about "indulging the pleasures of the flesh" because if it were, it need not be on the public streets of SF. It is about using the inevitable criticism of it to their political and social advantage. In today's PC world, anyone who dares to go on TV or some other major media outlet and criticize this will be lambasted and that is what they are counting on. The other aspect that sickens me is the grotesque and in your face attack on Christianity. This would not be tolerated in America against any other religion or group of people.

484 Maui Girl  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:04:36pm

re: #480 FlyingTigress

Check out Monterey! They've got a nice little version of Fisherman's Wharf there AND a Ghiradelli store that gives out free chocolate caramel squares. MMMMMMM.

485 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:06:01pm

re: #441 BillLangston

re: #164 CyanSnowHawk

Could you explain how you can understand such things?

I am not trying to be sarcastic, I really am wondering how anyone can understand such depravity.

SF
Bill

Hedonism is a seeking of pleasure. From HyperDictionary.com
Definition:
1. [n] an ethical system that evaluates the pursuit of pleasure as the highest good
2. [n] the pursuit of pleasure as a matter of ethical principle

There is nothing more pleasurable than our sexual impulse. It is not surprising to me that there are people out there that take this to seemingly ridiculous extremes. The whole of BDSM culture is loaded with those desires. It seems odd that someone would find pleasure in the ritualized giving or receiving of pain, but people do get pleasure that way. The ways that people seek and secure pleasure are legion. Using, or abusing, our sexuality is an easy route to this.

Look at all the people that indulge in drug abuse. The evidence of how that will destroy your life is presented to us almost every day, but some people insist on doing it anyway. While I myself managed to avoid it, I have friends and family that did not. That touches many lives the way it has touched mine.

In a world where one cannot easily count the number of drug addicts that have ignored the warnings and still persist in their destructive behavior, I can understand how others might do the same in the pursuit of sexual pleasure. Having a slightly hedonistic streak myself (rather mild by most standards), I can see and somewhat understand how and why some people let it flourish the way that they do, regardless of the obvious danger.

I hope this wasn't too rambly. I can get that way when I wax philosophic, but your question lends itself to a broad discussion that I could only scratch the surface of in this forum. So I suppose the most accurate answer to the question of whether or not I could explain my understanding of such things is likely, no, or at least, not easily.

486 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:06:10pm

re: #481 FlyingTigress

Furries are people who have a fetish for anthropomorphic animals (i.e. they think mascot characters are hot) A lot of them dress up in mascot suits. As someone who likes to geek out at scifi cons, I see them a lot, and they really creep me out. There is a big pedo aspect to their 'subculture' and the fact that a little kid can't tell a regular mascot character from one of these creeps makes it worse.

487 SnakeSpit  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:07:29pm

re: #479 goodbye_natalie
You're right. Sometimes it takes a thread on a subject like this to show how infiltrated LGF is with closet KOS Kids. It's not about homosexuality. It's about absolute right and absolute wrong. In the KOS mindset, there is no such thing. We see that some here are the same way.

488 TalkinKamel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:07:44pm

#481 Flying Tigress

I think you're right about that. And I used to enjoy comic-cons, and sci-fi conventions! (Sniff!)

(sings)

Got the willies from mah eyebrows,
Down to mah kamel feet!
Ever since I seen them Furries,
Cavortin' round Folsom Street!

Ooooooh, ah got them Furrie-Willies,
Lizards, it ain't silly!
Ah gots them Furrie-Willie,
Willy-nilly,
Ah gots them Furrie-willie, blooooooos!

There's one dressed like a chipmunk,
And one dressed like a snake!
I hope there ain't no "Lizards",
That's more then I could take!

Oooooooh, ah got them Furrie-Willies,
Gives me the creepy-chillies,
Ah gots them Furrie-Willie,
pilly like old Millie,
Ah gots them Furrie-willie, bloooooooooooos!

489 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:08:10pm

re: #483 AirForceWife

I they want to do that stuff and watch each-other. I don't care. But this is happening on a PUBLIC street, because they can't be bothered to rent a convention hall for their 'activities'


Not with my tax dollars, not on my land, not in front of my children.

490 madisonsfriend  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:10:55pm

Oh, gosh. I don't usually look at naked photos- especially not this sort. However, to think that this was not posed in a studio somewhere but openly in public is very strange to my sensibilities. I once saw the women who took off their shirts or pulled up their shirts at a march in DC. My thought was how does this further their supposed purpose of "ending the war". Like the naked woman in this set- lots of guys were taking their picutre- I just continued on my waySpeaking of "parades"- I will have an opportunity to find out what the meaning of the puppets are at the marches. I don't understand how giant puppets help a cause- although I am willing to make and burn a giant Imanutjob in DC at some point- but my feeling is the people who will be talking would probably not be in favor of burning one of their heroes. I will let you know what I learn- I will be quiet lest my motives be suspect-

491 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:12:23pm

re: #483 AirForceWife

#455 Lorenska 10/04/07 3:26:20 pm reply quote report

My main objection to this whole scene is the fact that apparently there WERE kids there, and if that's the case, of course it bothers me - it'd bother me just as much if kids were in the room during the filming of a hetero porn film.

My main objection is that there is not one sex act shown that cannot be done in private or a large gathering in private if exhibitionism is part of what gets these people off. This is not about "indulging the pleasures of the flesh" because if it were, it need not be on the public streets of SF. It is about using the inevitable criticism of it to their political and social advantage. In today's PC world, anyone who dares to go on TV or some other major media outlet and criticize this will be lambasted and that is what they are counting on. The other aspect that sickens me is the grotesque and in your face attack on Christianity. This would not be tolerated in America against any other religion or group of people.

Well, in that sense, I don't disagree with you one bit. I totally agree that there's no need for any of this to be done in public, that they're only doing it for the attention (hence my ambivalence about this getting more coverage), and that anyone who doesn't stand up and applaud will be automatically vilified for being homophobic and intolerant. I also agree that anything mainstream - or, God forbid religious or conservative - that was publicized like this would have millions of critics, all of whom would be given lots of airtime and be loudly condoned.

So, in the sense that this is over the top and it seems they're almost daring those who don't agree to say anything, we agree. There are other points we're not totally lined up on, but that's ok - that's one of the reasons I love this site, I get to hear a million points of view, and if I don't agree with them, I can say so without being called names (usually). :)

492 FlyingTigress  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:15:52pm

re: #488 TalkinKamel

#481 Flying Tigress

I think you're right about that. And I used to enjoy comic-cons, and sci-fi conventions! (Sniff!)

(sings)

Got the willies from mah eyebrows,
Down to mah kamel feet!
Ever since I seen them Furries,
Cavortin' round Folsom Street!

Ooooooh, ah got them Furrie-Willies,
Lizards, it ain't silly!
Ah gots them Furrie-Willie,
Willy-nilly,
Ah gots them Furrie-willie, blooooooos!

There's one dressed like a chipmunk,
And one dressed like a snake!
I hope there ain't no "Lizards",
That's more then I could take!

Oooooooh, ah got them Furrie-Willies,
Gives me the creepy-chillies,
Ah gots them Furrie-Willie,
pilly like old Millie,
Ah gots them Furrie-willie, bloooooooooooos!

It has been a couple of years since the last time that I went to any 'Cons' (the last one was a Trek con put on down in Portland, OR), but I remember seeing one or two 'Furries' at the one of the last conventions -- here in the Seattle area -- that James Doohan was able to attend.

Of course, that was also one of the ones where the local fan-boy who "costumes" as "Xena" showed up, again.

493 ackomanyuki  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:21:48pm

Gomorrah Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia

Played regularly by the Jerry Garcia Band from its introduction in 1977.

Just a song of Gomorrah
I wonder what they did there
Must have been a bad thing
to get shot down for

I wonder how they blew it up
or if they tore it down
Get out, get out, Mr Lot
and don't you look around

Who gave you your orders?
Someone from the sky
I heard a voice inside my head
in the desert wind so dry

I heard a voice telling me to flee
The very same voice I always believe
Said: a lot of trouble coming
but it don't have to come to you
I'm sparing you so you can tell
the rest what you been through

But don't you turn around, no
Don't look after you
It's not your business how it's done
You're lucky to get through

You're a good upstanding man
A credit to the flock
But if you don't face straight ahead
You could not stand the shock

Blew the city off the map
Left nothing there but fire
The wife of Lot got turned to salt
because she looked behind her

Because she looked behind
Because she looked behind
[etc]

494 DoubleU  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:22:04pm

re: #5 NoSubmission

How on earth is this allowed in a major US city?

Simple, San Fransisco is not part of the US mentally.

495 hsmomof2  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:22:55pm

To avoid arguments, I always tell my kids they can't go barefoot in busy public areas because they might step in something someone coughed up and spat out on the side walk...wait till I tell them about this...they won't touch anything in public again!

496 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:23:39pm

#479 goodbye_natalie 10/04/07 3:58:23 pm reply quote report 1

How about the Jesus Jackhammers or the Jesus buttplugs? Should we put those to rest too or can we cast judgement about those who would mock the One whom many of us consider God?

Anybody here who could possibly, even remotely, minimize this level of depravity is a good reminder to me that there are many here on this board who are really no closer to me than the KKKos Kidz, no matter how they vote, what else they post, or who they like.


You....just.....took....the words....right out of my mouth! This goes far beyond mocking though. Far beyond it. This is not the same thing as Mohammad cartoons. I have never seen anything even remotely close to this in regard to Mohammad cartoons or mocking. I have not touched a cigarette in 7 years and today after seeing this I went and bought a pack and have had several to calm how pissed off I am. My kids are so mad at me for smoking and while I spared them the rest, I did tell the older boys about the dildos in the form or Jesus and the Virgin Mary and I've never seen such shock and horror on their faces. Maybe I shouldn't have told them but I felt at the time that they need to know just how much their faith is under attack and used it as a way to explain to them how strong they are going to have to be all of their lives when they come under this kind of attack in their lives because of their religion.

497 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:23:52pm

re: #388 zombie

Re: Pictures of minors.

If you do have some photographs of minors at this event and the pictures DO NOT have any sexual content or nudity then you should forward those pictures to someone like Michelle Malkin and she can post them.

It is very important to be able to demonstrate that people under 18 years of age are admitted to the Folsom Street Fair. It should be obvious that if they were there then they were exposed to the same things that you saw.

The fact that there are minors at this event is the most damning evidence you have.

Let another site without graphic content post them.

498 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:28:09pm

re: #497 Ringo the Gringo

I think zombie is right to stay away from that the way he does. His exposure of the fair will speak for itself. If it catches on, questions about that will be asked, and hopefully others that will not be blasted by the hysterical left will provide the desired evidence.

499 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:28:53pm
500 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:29:33pm

If a photo-shop expert was creative he/she could show all the dems at the fair
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

501 Charles  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:31:14pm

re: #497 Ringo the Gringo

If you do have some photographs of minors at this event and the pictures DO NOT have any sexual content or nudity then you should forward those pictures to someone like Michelle Malkin and she can post them.

Uh ... what am I? Chopped liver?

502 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:31:19pm

re: #487 SnakeSpit

re: #479 goodbye_natalie
You're right. Sometimes it takes a thread on a subject like this to show how infiltrated LGF is with closet KOS Kids. It's not about homosexuality. It's about absolute right and absolute wrong. In the KOS mindset, there is no such thing. We see that some here are the same way.

I agree completely. People who refuse to "pass judgement" on what's right and wrong are fooling themselves. They are quick to pass judgement on YOU for pointing out what is wrong with the evil things they are willing to tolerate.

503 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:32:44pm

re: #487 SnakeSpit

re: #479 goodbye_natalie
You're right. Sometimes it takes a thread on a subject like this to show how infiltrated LGF is with closet KOS Kids. It's not about homosexuality. It's about absolute right and absolute wrong. In the KOS mindset, there is no such thing. We see that some here are the same way.

That seems a little unfair - I can't speak for others, but my main argument here was never that this is RIGHT, but that there is such a thing as 'relative evil'; while I find this stuff appalling and am not in any way condoning it, it bothers me to hear it compared to the murder of children or the stoning death of a teenager for going on a date. These people should not be doing these things, especially in public, and I haven't heard anyone here say they should be - but to condemn those of us who think there are worse things in the world, and compare us to people that we have disagreed with hundreds of times in the past seems a little harsh. As I said earlier, I find a video of someone being beheaded much harder to look at than these pictures, which I find mostly a waste of my time - these people are not threatening me or my family, the way murderers and Islamofascists are. That's all I'm saying

504 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:36:45pm

re: #496 AirForceWife

I have not touched a cigarette in 7 years and today after seeing this I went and bought a pack and have had several to calm how pissed off I am.

Girl, put those smokes down!

I'll be preaching to the choir here but I'll say it anyway. GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. There will come a time and a day that all are held accountable, whether actively participating or tacitly excusing.

Get out that Nicorette and get to chomping!

505 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:39:06pm

re: #503 Lorenska

I want to ask you two questions. You need not bother answering the second one if it is too personal.

(1) Are you one that believes the old cliche "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?"

and

(2) Do you have children of your own?

506 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:39:35pm

re: #502 Stuck-in-CA

re: #487 SnakeSpit


re: #479 goodbye_natalie
You're right. Sometimes it takes a thread on a subject like this to show how infiltrated LGF is with closet KOS Kids. It's not about homosexuality. It's about absolute right and absolute wrong. In the KOS mindset, there is no such thing. We see that some here are the same way.

I agree completely. People who refuse to "pass judgement" on what's right and wrong are fooling themselves. They are quick to pass judgement on YOU for pointing out what is wrong with the evil things they are willing to tolerate.

See, and that seems unfair, too - I tried very hard NOT to pass judgment on those here that I might have disagreed with, and my disagreement is very minor; I think we agree on the basic fact that this is wrong and should NOT be happening in our streets, but I think it's important to not throw the word "evil" around every time we see something that we hate, or even that goes against every single thing we stand for. In my posts, I've tried really hard to just make my points, agreeing or disagreeing with the ideas of the person I'm responding to, without ever 'passing judgment,' especially considering I'm talking to people that I agree with on the most pressing topics.

It seems to me that it's important to differentiate whether I'm agreeing with a PERSON or a person's POINT OF VIEW, and here on LGF, I always feel like it's the latter - maybe you disagree with ME and not just my point of view, and that's fine, but that's not how I feel about the conversations I've tried to have today.

507 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:42:20pm

re: #496 AirForceWife

Back away from the cancer sticks. Don't let revulsion over something that you find greatly offensive lead you back to a habit that I find greatly offensive.

508 Stuck-in-CA  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:42:22pm

re: #499 ploome hineni


...and how pathetic, that tattooed leather biker type, giving himself a colonoscopy with a rubber hose, while yanking his peepee

who cleans up that mess?


Oh, God. Thanks for the visual. I may never eat again. Well...I needed to drop a few anyway.

509 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:43:02pm

re: #501 Charles

Uh ... what am I? Chopped liver?

Sorry Charles,

I thought that because you have already linked to the nasty zombietime page, Malkin, who is thought of as a bit of a prude, might be a better choice.

BTW - I love chopped liver. Try the sandwich called the Bronx at Canters - pastrami & chopped chicken liver served open faced on fresh rye.
Yummy!

510 ContraJihadi  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:45:04pm

Good God! It's like something out of Hieronymus Bosch! And all the cavorting demons of Sodom posing as apes!

Not designed to win the propaganda war against Islamists who consider Americans decadent, is it?

511 Ojoe  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:46:35pm

Michael Savage's website has photos of this folsom fair stuff too.

512 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:47:43pm

re: #505 goodbye_natalie

re: #503 Lorenska

I want to ask you two questions. You need not bother answering the second one if it is too personal.

(1) Are you one that believes the old cliche "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me?"

and

(2) Do you have children of your own?

I think by the first question, you're asking me if I believe that people's actions can affect me and mine (please tell me if I'm misinterpreting), and yes, I do - which of course contradicts what I said about these people not being a threat, but I stand by my point that I am not afraid that any of these freaks is going to drop a bomb on my head anytime soon. Do I worry that they're affecting the way life is lived in this country? Ok, I get your point there and don't disagree - you're right that they're certainly not helping, and I do NOT agree with their lifestyle. I guess I just try to choose what to fear, and I find it hard to be afraid of this type of thing truly touching my life or family.

As for the second, it's not too personal, yes, I have a 3 year old son. I would kill anyone who tried to harm a hair on his head, or expose him to such nonsense as is in these pics - but that's the thing, no one has tried to FORCE him to engage in the stuff here, whereas Muslims would love to FORCE him into their way of life.

Really, please don't think I'm judging or even disagreeing with your opinion, I just find so many other things so much more frightening than this.

513 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:50:36pm

RUSH: I kind of glossed over this, but the phony soldier being discussed on this program since last Wednesday, Jesse MacBeth, was born as Jesse Al-Zaid in 1984.
Democrat Poster Boy
The Pima County’s records indicate that Jesse Adama Al-Zaid’s parents are named Alrahman Al-Zaid and Leisha Campbell. They were married in 1985.

Apparently Jesse’s mother changed his last name when she Mr. Al-Zaid.

Al-Zaid would appear to be a Saudi Arabian name.

514 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:52:08pm

re: #513 LeftJustAintRight

RUSH: I kind of glossed over this, but the phony soldier being discussed on this program since last Wednesday, Jesse MacBeth, was born as Jesse Al-Zaid in 1984.
Democrat Poster Boy
The Pima County’s records indicate that Jesse Adama Al-Zaid’s parents are named Alrahman Al-Zaid and Leisha Campbell. They were married in 1985.

Apparently Jesse’s mother changed his last name when she Mr. Al-Zaid.

Al-Zaid would appear to be a Saudi Arabian name.

I heard that on Rush today, too, and wondered why that was the ONLY place I'd heard it. I'm sure the MSM would say it's completely irrelevant, but I happen to think it's fairly important.

515 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:53:04pm

#503 Lorenska 10/04/07 4:32:44 pm reply quote report 0


while I find this stuff appalling and am not in any way condoning it, it bothers me to hear it compared to the murder of children or the stoning death of a teenager for going on a date.

Um....excuse me but you already asked for clarification from me about your assertion that I was comparing this to people that murder children (as if my post was even confusing about this to begin with) and I clarified it for you. Why do you persist in distorting what I said? It is really not difficult to understand. I was making an analogy between two concepts (forgiveness and tolerance) to point out how things have their limits.

Even the comparison I made about how sick radical Islam is and how sick our overall culture is was in the context of how we as a society tolerate child rapists and murderers getting little prison time and pampered when they are in prison and allowed to go right back out onto the streets to harm more innocent people. Please, stop taking things out of context to bolster your points.

516 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:54:28pm

re: #514 Lorenska

I heard that on another radio station today. Not Rush. So it's out there. Bet it will be on Drudge soon.

517 mac  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:55:21pm

re: #450 Dianna

" The leather types weren't pushing this"
Look at their sponsor list. It's all "leather types".

518 LeftJustAintRight  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:57:22pm

re: #516 rightymouse

I heard that on another radio station today. Not Rush. So it's out there. Bet it will be on Drudge soon.


WarRoom
I heard it on Quinn&Rose

519 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:58:27pm

re: #512 Lorenska

I don't find the freak show frightening in of itself, I find it disgusting and the people who go there seeking amusement equally disgusting, especially those who took their children. If their is fright to be found, it is in the knowledge that these people vote. Democrat.

520 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 4:59:02pm

re: #518 LeftJustAintRight

That's where I heard it. On the way to work. Almost hit a tree. LOL!

521 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:01:00pm

re: #512 Lorenska

As for the second, it's not too personal, yes, I have a 3 year old son. I would kill anyone who tried to harm a hair on his head, or expose him to such nonsense as is in these pics - but that's the thing, no one has tried to FORCE him to engage in the stuff here, whereas Muslims would love to FORCE him into their way of life.

Really, please don't think I'm judging or even disagreeing with your opinion, I just find so many other things so much more frightening than this.

Assuming you're living in the United States or some other free republic, how likely do you think it is somebody is going to drop a bomb on your son's head?

However, I can guarantee you living here in America, since you have a young child, the threat of your culture being so coarsened that it becomes virtually impossible to shelter your young child in the judgment of what is right and what is wrong is imminent. Think I'm mistaken? Consider network TV now and 15 years ago when my children were 3. While not as dramatic or as quick as a plane flying into a building, a society can fall from within with the same eventual consequences. And the latter is far more likely.

Your worries and your priorities are misplace, IMHO.

522 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:02:09pm

#507 CyanSnowHawk 10/04/07 4:42:20 pm reply quote report 0

re: #496 AirForceWife

Back away from the cancer sticks. Don't let revulsion over something that you find greatly offensive lead you back to a habit that I find greatly offensive.

Luckily, I have never been addicted to cigarettes or anything. I've used them rarely in my life when I've been really angry over something. I won't finish this pack. I'll regret it tomorrow when my throat and lungs are killing me. I run just about every day and normally find even the smell of cigarettes nauseating but for some reason when I get so mad I want to punch something, I have this need to smoke a few or have a drink and I rarely drink also and won't when I am the sole adult caring for my kids. Not like some people here, that image of seeing symbols of Jesus defiled in the most despicable way humanly imaginable, I will never forget. I had to see it though. I might as well know just what it is we are up against in this sick world where the level of depravity knows no bounds.

523 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:02:45pm

re: #515 AirForceWife

#503 Lorenska 10/04/07 4:32:44 pm reply quote report 0


while I find this stuff appalling and am not in any way condoning it, it bothers me to hear it compared to the murder of children or the stoning death of a teenager for going on a date.

Um....excuse me but you already asked for clarification from me about your assertion that I was comparing this to people that murder children (as if my post was even confusing about this to begin with) and I clarified it for you. Why do you persist in distorting what I said? It is really not difficult to understand. I was making an analogy between two concepts (forgiveness and tolerance) to point out how things have their limits.

Even the comparison I made about how sick radical Islam is and how sick our overall culture is was in the context of how we as a society tolerate child rapists and murderers getting little prison time and pampered when they are in prison and allowed to go right back out onto the streets to harm more innocent people. Please, stop taking things out of context to bolster your points.

Nowhere in my post did I say "as AirForceWife said" - I was not referring to your comment, I was merely using that analogy myself. If you'll re-read my original post, I never asked you for clarification - I was very clear that I realized you were NOT making a direct comparison, I knew that wasn't what you meant and I said that. I stated that I didn't believe you were comparing one to the other, and if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't be using your comments against you in later posts - I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was in no way referring to your comments. My apologies, I'm trying very hard NOT to take posts out of context, or misstate people's points - guess I wasn't successful.

524 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:02:48pm

re: #517 mac

I think Dianna meant that the Leather types were not trying to push this outside of the Leather community, the target audience for the fair. All the mainstream attention is a result of the Christian groups initial outrage over the poster and the sponsorship.

525 ec marm  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:03:49pm

re: #500 LeftJustAintRight

If a photo-shop expert was creative he/she could show all the dems at the fair
hmmmmmmmmmmmm

You know it. I've been working on it for a while now. You can check, here later. I'll probably have it up by tomorrow morning. It's too tasty a target to ignore.

526 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:04:19pm

Well, I just got home.

I got to one the website at work, and after the first picture I just ditched it.

Nonetheless, the one thing that just stands out is look on all the faces there.

Aside from everything I said early, to really grasp the magnitude of this, put yourself in their place.

Most people are very self conscious even when they put on a bathing suite for the pool or beach.

Most folks are over sensitive to what t others might think, or how the other might react in uncomfortable situations. (Ever see the gymnastics people do with each other if they both arrive at a 4 way stop at the same time) ? Each party eagerly waves the other to go by.

Actually now having viewed this stuff, I am left with the impression, especially by the impression on the faces of the people there, their humanity is almost non-existent.

By this I mean, when you have reached the point to openly, and joyfully participate in front of other people, what most people cordon off in their most private of moments, without any core hint of embarrassment, or consideration for your fellow man, you have not far to fall.

Zombie, what really struck me most is seeing two elderly black ladies, obviously having nothing to do with the event, having to sit there, with the look on their face as if nothing was going speaks volumes. In my mind, they are waiting for the bus, not very nimble, and probably humiliated.

I guess I don't really have anything left to say.

Folks, if you really can't see anything wrong with this at it's core, I don't know if there exists a barometer of right and wrong in your being.

527 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:06:47pm

re: #526 formercorpsman

Folks, if you really can't see anything wrong with this at it's core, I don't know if there exists a barometer of right and wrong in your being.


Amen.

528 AirForceWife  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:06:58pm

#523 Lorenska 10/04/07 5:02:45 pm reply quote report 0
re: #515 AirForceWife

#503 Lorenska 10/04/07 4:32:44 pm reply quote report 0

Nowhere in my post did I say "as AirForceWife said" - I was not referring to your comment, I was merely using that analogy myself. If you'll re-read my original post, I never asked you for clarification - I was very clear that I realized you were NOT making a direct comparison, I knew that wasn't what you meant and I said that. I stated that I didn't believe you were comparing one to the other, and if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't be using your comments against you in later posts - I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was in no way referring to your comments. My apologies, I'm trying very hard NOT to take posts out of context, or misstate people's points - guess I wasn't successful.

I apologize then. I took it that way but I believe you if you say you weren't referring to our earlier debate/discussion.

529 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:08:22pm

re: #521 goodbye_natalie

re: #512 Lorenska


As for the second, it's not too personal, yes, I have a 3 year old son. I would kill anyone who tried to harm a hair on his head, or expose him to such nonsense as is in these pics - but that's the thing, no one has tried to FORCE him to engage in the stuff here, whereas Muslims would love to FORCE him into their way of life.

Really, please don't think I'm judging or even disagreeing with your opinion, I just find so many other things so much more frightening than this.


Assuming you're living in the United States or some other free republic, how likely do you think it is somebody is going to drop a bomb on your son's head?

However, I can guarantee you living here in America, since you have a young child, the threat of your culture being so coarsened that it becomes virtually impossible to shelter your young child in the judgment of what is right and what is wrong is imminent. Think I'm mistaken? Consider network TV now and 15 years ago when my children were 3. While not as dramatic or as quick as a plane flying into a building, a society can fall from within with the same eventual consequences. And the latter is far more likely.

Your worries and your priorities are misplace, IMHO.

I think we might agree more than either of us realizes - I don't find much here to argue with (not that I'm looking to argue), although of course I was being facetious about the bomb. I do think Islamofascists trying to take over our way of life is more of a threat than homosexuals trying to do the same, but your point is a valid one - I'm not suggesting that I think he's got more chance of being blown up than he does being exposed to sickness in our culture, we certainly agree there. Maybe what I'm trying to get at is, I feel like I have a better chance at PROTECTING him from one than from the other - maybe I'm naive, but I feel like I can control what he's exposed to in public a little better than I can protect him from violence and the Islamofacation of the country, which I also feel is sneaking in the backdoor.

530 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:08:34pm

re: #522 AirForceWife

I'm glad that it is not a habit that you might relapse into. Seeing my Maternal Grandfather die of lung cancer when I was only 15 had a big impact on me. I will not smoke and really don't like to smell it at all.

531 JHW  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:12:13pm

re: #521 goodbye_natalie

Coarsening of society is very apt. You are right, and this is just more muck on top of Brittany and her pals Paris et al flashing , crappy nasty rap music and "ho s", poisonous public discourse, etc., etc. My childhood was in the 50s, couldn`t have imagined the stuff kids are routinely exposed to now.

532 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:16:05pm

re: #455 Lorenska

It is senseless in my estimation to try to make other thing that don't have a homosexual element to them as being so much worse.

As an example (and I am sorry that I don't remember all the details) some of these perverts killed a kid in their trailer not too many years ago. It seems that they tortured him for some time before he died of suffocation due to a pair of underwear stuffed in his mouth. A kid that probably had been taught that homosexuality was normal and just another life style so he allowed his curiosity to get the better of him; for the last time unfortunately.

Don't try to tell me that it's okay as long as they keep it to themselves, often times they don't and it is hard to say when that will happen.

SF
Bill

533 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:20:07pm

re: #528 AirForceWife

#523 Lorenska 10/04/07 5:02:45 pm reply quote report 0
re: #515 AirForceWife

#503 Lorenska 10/04/07 4:32:44 pm reply quote report 0


Nowhere in my post did I say "as AirForceWife said" - I was not referring to your comment, I was merely using that analogy myself. If you'll re-read my original post, I never asked you for clarification - I was very clear that I realized you were NOT making a direct comparison, I knew that wasn't what you meant and I said that. I stated that I didn't believe you were comparing one to the other, and if that's the case, I certainly wouldn't be using your comments against you in later posts - I'm sorry if it came across that way, I was in no way referring to your comments. My apologies, I'm trying very hard NOT to take posts out of context, or misstate people's points - guess I wasn't successful.

I apologize then. I took it that way but I believe you if you say you weren't referring to our earlier debate/discussion.

No worries, our apologies can cancel each other out and we'll call it even - I promise, I was NOT referring to your comments, I really try to 'credit' if I'm going to quote someone or something, I hate the thought of misstating someone's point. I guess the problem is, when discussing evil, 'the murder of children' is the most drastic example that comes to mind.

534 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:27:24pm

re: #526 formercorpsman

Folks, if you really can't see anything wrong with this at it's core, I don't know if there exists a barometer of right and wrong in your being.

You seem to be saying that if I do not find something wrong with sexual license, then I cannot find something wrong with anything. I find that to be incorrect. I do find it wrong that you can make that assumption about what someone finds right or wrong from a single data point.

This street fair was a pretty good example of people abandoning the virtue of Chastity and practicing the vice of Lust. From there I believe comes the condemnation of this as evil from the Christian contingent. I also believe that this condemnation would be just as vociferous if the fair was predominantly hetero.

535 varmint  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:28:18pm

made me feel much better about my own genitalia.

still feelno compulsion to show off inpublic though.

536 mac  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:31:21pm

re: #524 CyanSnowHawk
They didn't expect outrage re. the poster? What "mainstream attention"?
Perhaps I misunderstood Dianna. What was her point?

537 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:33:16pm

re: #532 BillLangston

re: #455 Lorenska

It is senseless in my estimation to try to make other thing that don't have a homosexual element to them as being so much worse.

As an example (and I am sorry that I don't remember all the details) some of these perverts killed a kid in their trailer not too many years ago. It seems that they tortured him for some time before he died of suffocation due to a pair of underwear stuffed in his mouth. A kid that probably had been taught that homosexuality was normal and just another life style so he allowed his curiosity to get the better of him; for the last time unfortunately.

Don't try to tell me that it's okay as long as they keep it to themselves, often times they don't and it is hard to say when that will happen.

SF
Bill

I never said it was ok as long as they kept it to themselves, and I've never once posted that this was "Ok" or "right" or any of the other words being attributed to me. The only thing I've ever said is that there ARE worse things in the world, things that bother me more than this - to say we can only compare things of a homosexual nature is like saying, "you can't say rape is bad compared to stealing, you can only compare rape to other sex crimes."

And as desperately as I don't want to get into a debate over the child attack you mentioned, you must know that most sex crimes against kids are perpetrated by heteros - I am NOT saying that makes homosexuality or any of these pictures ok or any less appalling, before anyone puts words in my mouth. But people who hurt kids are evil, I don't care what their preference is, and unfortunately, most child predators are straight (at least the ones who get caught).

538 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:40:46pm

re: #532 BillLangston

As an example (and I am sorry that I don't remember all the details) some of these perverts killed a kid in their trailer not too many years ago. It seems that they tortured him for some time before he died of suffocation due to a pair of underwear stuffed in his mouth. A kid that probably had been taught that homosexuality was normal and just another life style so he allowed his curiosity to get the better of him; for the last time unfortunately.

Don't try to tell me that it's okay as long as they keep it to themselves, often times they don't and it is hard to say when that will happen.

SF
Bill

Well, if we are going to measure a whole population by the acts of a single or few members, what do you have to say about... (insert group of choice here)?

539 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:42:25pm

re: #538 CyanSnowHawk

re: #532 BillLangston


As an example (and I am sorry that I don't remember all the details) some of these perverts killed a kid in their trailer not too many years ago. It seems that they tortured him for some time before he died of suffocation due to a pair of underwear stuffed in his mouth. A kid that probably had been taught that homosexuality was normal and just another life style so he allowed his curiosity to get the better of him; for the last time unfortunately.

Don't try to tell me that it's okay as long as they keep it to themselves, often times they don't and it is hard to say when that will happen.

SF
Bill


Well, if we are going to measure a whole population by the acts of a single or few members, what do you have to say about... (insert group of choice here)?

You said it so much more eloquently than I did, well put. I only pointed out that most sex predators are straight - which, using your point, doesn't say much for straight people, does it?

540 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:47:44pm

re: #485 CyanSnowHawk

No, it was not too 'rambly' at all, it was an honest attempt to answer my question and I thank you for it.

I look on the people that do these things as not only hedonistic but mentally ill! I also do not feel the need to try and dig too deeply into why they do these things; I will leave that to the nut doctors.

SF
Bill

541 JHW  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:49:58pm

re: #539 Lorenska

Not trying to argue with you, I understand the greater point you`re making, but as to most molesters being straight, that`s not a huge surprise being as they far out-number the gay population. It would be more meaningful to compare on a per capita or percentage-wise basis wouldn`t it? Seems I saw something on this , a study of some kind, recently at LGF but I can`t find it right now.

542 Radar  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:51:05pm

I went to Zombies site earlier today and was wishing there was something new. Then I jump on after dinner only to find this...and a hideously slow site.

Some of my first thoughts were:

Wait, is this a Berkeley Humanities department meeting? (wonder how many there are professors?).

Then I thought: wow, what a sad bunch of sexually frustrated people. Must suck to have your sex life wrapped in in so much other crap that you can't simply enjoy sex for it's natural simplicity. I see a whole crowd of very insecure people. I love how these are the same types of people that think they are somehow sexually "liberated". They are the same people who have simple sex wrapped up in so much else in their lives (identity, politics, their own insecurity, etc. etc.) that they cannot have a normal healthy sex life without all of that other stuff. They aren't liberated at all, they are in fact, enslaved to it. It's not so much sickening as it is simply sad and pathetic. They all just scream "Please someone accept me...this is normal right? RIGHT?". It's a giant sexual insecurity circle jerk (err...and a real circle jerk I guess). You can't act like this and NOT have sexual insecurity issues (and I'm not talking about teh gay-but all of the other stuff besides). Sex is a beautiful and simple thing. This is just sad.

Zombie: my hats off to you. I don't know how you do it and keep your sanity.

543 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:53:54pm

re: #539 Lorenska

You said it so much more eloquently than I did, well put. I only pointed out that most sex predators are straight - which, using your point, doesn't say much for straight people, does it?

I'd like to know the percentage of both straight and non-straight populations engaged in sexual predatory behavior. Do you have linkies for that?

544 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 5:55:46pm

re: #541 JHW

re: #539 Lorenska

Not trying to argue with you, I understand the greater point you`re making, but as to most molesters being straight, that`s not a huge surprise being as they far out-number the gay population. It would be more meaningful to compare on a per capita or percentage-wise basis wouldn`t it? Seems I saw something on this , a study of some kind, recently at LGF but I can`t find it right now.

No argument, you're right, it's only fair to compare apples to apples - I'm not sure we'll ever have an accurate number of homosexuals in the country, but it would be a fairer assessment of their activities to know their numbers vs. straights. I just thought his comment about the attack on the boy seemed a little unfair, as CyanSnowHawk put it - if you're going to base your opinions of an entire group of people on the actions of a few, you can basically pick any group to hate. Especially when you're using the most heinous actions you can find - there's not a group on earth that doesn't have a subset that does horrifying things, you can't use that as a barometer.

545 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:00:28pm

re: #544 Lorenska

"...not a group on earth that doesn't have a subset that does horrifying things, you can't use that as a barometer."

So which group on earth are you frightened of on behalf of your son?

546 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:02:06pm

re: #543 rightymouse

re: #539 Lorenska


You said it so much more eloquently than I did, well put. I only pointed out that most sex predators are straight - which, using your point, doesn't say much for straight people, does it?

I'd like to know the percentage of both straight and non-straight populations engaged in sexual predatory behavior. Do you have linkies for that?

Actually, I do - but like with any study, depending on who's doing the studying, it can be made to say what the researchers want. I'm not sure who's right, and I'm not trying to take sides, but here's one by a doctor that might be somewhere in the area of accurate (there are thousands of studies, I'll bet they're split down the middle):

[Link: psychology.ucdavis.edu...]

547 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:06:04pm

re: #546 Lorenska

I'll take a look at the link. Do you live in Germany, perhaps?

548 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:07:59pm

re: #537 Lorenska

I apologize for the misunderstanding; I did not mean to say that you personally said it was okay as long as it was kept to themselves. The rest of it I think I was right about.

As to you believing that most sex crimes against kids are perpetrated by heterosexuals; well I find that hard to believe unless you feel that pedophile/perverts are somehow 'straight'!

SF
Bill

549 PatriotLizardoid  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:12:57pm

Bottom line: we should all be saying a prayer for these people, because as CS Lewis put it so well, "the gates of hell are locked from the inside"

550 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:12:58pm

re: #543 rightymouse

I guess what I take issue with here is referring to perverts as being 'straight'! They are far, far away from being 'straight'!

SF
Bill

551 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:17:56pm

re: #547 rightymouse

re: #546 Lorenska

I'll take a look at the link. Do you live in Germany, perhaps?


Nope - I have German ancestors, but if you're referring to my nic, my name is Lori, and I have a Polish friend who calls me Lorenska, so I just use that for my nickname when I need one.

As for the link, I make no promises as to its validity or anything else regarding its content - as I said, STUDIES, per se, are very flexible, depending on who's studying what. I've just heard law enforcement reference the fact that heteros are more likely to abuse kids, so that's what I'm going on - I agree with BillLangston, though, that child predators are a THIRD category, neither homo nor hetero but evil.

552 Robert Schwartz  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:19:23pm

Spent a few days in SF early in August. Stayed at the Mark Hopkins on top of Nob Hill. Lord it was beautiful, and the weather was a refreshing change from the mid-west. But, as I said to my roommate: "this place is an outdoor lunatic asylum".

The pictures are further, perhaps even too much proof of that.

San Franciscans have forfeited their right to self government. Send in the Marines.

553 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:22:18pm

re: #550 BillLangston

I take exception too, to the idea of sexual predators being 'straight' or 'gay' - although predators will and do prey on the sex of the child they most fancy sexually. On the other hand, methinks 'Lorenska' is playing a "straight/gay" game here.

554 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:27:27pm

Hey, I'm in the room, ya know - I CAN HEAR YOU!

What kind of straight/gay game is it that I'm playing? I've tried to be so nice, now what have I done? Sheesh, I can't win for losin today....

555 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:27:53pm

re: #551 Lorenska

Forgive me if my BS meter is on full tilt right now. I've been known to be wrong before. :)

556 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:29:55pm

re: #554 Lorenska

How about you answer my post 545?

557 JHW  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:30:39pm

The only time I`ve been to San Francisco was 30 years ago. I went with a drop-dead gorgeous woman and another couple to the East-West football game (we`re all from the sticks, Hicktown, USA). The only bar we found open after the game in the area immediately spooked me, all guys and they ignored the woman I was with and tried to chat me up. My girlfriend got a bit peeved at me because I told them to go away, "They`re just being nice". I told her that if they`re ignoring you and talking to me instead they`re trying to be the kind of nice I want nothing to do with. We got out of there pronto.

558 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:32:34pm

re: #556 rightymouse

re: #554 Lorenska

How about you answer my post 545?

I promise you, I just didn't see this - I try very hard to answer anything addressed to me. I don't even have to think about the answer, so there's no reason I would have avoided it - Islamofascists scare me worse than anything. They want to force us into a way of life, they ADMIT this, and we're so busy being PC and tolerant that I'm afraid we're going to let it happen.

And I'm seriously asking, what game/BS are you referring to?

559 neocon hippie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:36:49pm

re: #281 Gagdad Bob

If anyone objects to the Folsom Street Fair, speak now or forever hold your penis.

That should be spank now...

560 rokbassist  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:40:37pm

Gee, you'd think that the main Islamist centers would be there in SF. I mean, there's SO MUCH work for them to do there, not in flippin' Detroit.

561 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:41:58pm

re: #559 neocon hippie

LOL. Bob's was funny. Your's is even funnier.

562 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:46:16pm

re: #558 Lorenska

You said:

"...not a group on earth that doesn't have a subset that does horrifying things, you can't use that as a barometer."

But you say that "Islamofascists scare me worse than anything." So are they a subset or a majority?

And I do think you are waffling all over the place (for whatever reason) you're not a victim of that perception. It's just a perception. Opinion.

563 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:51:32pm

Will it surprise anyone if any of the subjects of those photos have unnaturally shortened their life spans with these behaviors.?

Survival rules exist because people vastly underestimate the forces of nature which in this case are viruses, bacteria, and other microbes.

Most of our friends who got AIDS in the 80's were dead by the 90's.

564 rightymouse  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:52:15pm

Lorenksa:

See you on the flip side. Am going to be a Telly Tubby now.

565 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:53:38pm

re: #558 Lorenska

Dear Lorenska, I am not trying to insult you even if I end up doing just that by stating my views forcefully.

You see, I get the impression that the gay lobby is tryin to do just exactly what you are against the Islamists trying to do. What is the difference?

You see, I have not heard the gay lobby, the ones that are supposed to be the 'normal' homosexuals, ever condemming the NAMBLA. What is the great difference between them and CAIR refusing to condemm HAMAS?

Please enlighten me as to how I have got it wrong.

SF
Bill

566 DistantThunder  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:55:29pm

Let's not forget that people represented at the faire are the same group that want to adopt children and be foster parents.

567 maddogg  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 6:59:54pm

In honor of the Folsom Street Fair orgy (but a hell of a lot more entertaining).

568 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:00:03pm

re: #562 rightymouse

re: #558 Lorenska

You said:

"...not a group on earth that doesn't have a subset that does horrifying things, you can't use that as a barometer."

But you say that "Islamofascists scare me worse than anything." So are they a subset or a majority?

And I do think you are waffling all over the place (for whatever reason) you're not a victim of that perception. It's just a perception. Opinion.

Hm, good question - I think Islamofascists are a subset (albeit a bigger one than most, maybe) of Muslims - I think that the "moderate Muslims" that we hear so much about are the MINORITY in their religion, but I do think there are some. So I guess you're asking me if this counts, because MOST Muslims are Islamofascists, so they're not technically a subset, right? But still, that's the GROUP that scares me most, if that makes sense.

As for the other, I may seem like I'm waffling because I'm trying not to piss anyone off (fabulous job I'm doing, wouldn't you say?). Here's my basic stance: The pix that started this thread make me gag, and I do not think this stuff has a place in our society, much less our streets. However, I think this is truly a 'subset' of the homosexual group - I know (and am related to) gays who literally just want to sit at home and watch TV and not bother anyone, and they're no more like this group than I'm like the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders. Based on that, I'm obviously in the minority on this board - I don't want to see HETEROS doing this stuff on my sidewalks either, I'm more offended by the acts than by who's committing them. Does that make sense? I know you're just offering me your opinion, I don't mean to sound defensive - I just have been trying to define my position today, and all I've done is upset a lot of people that I probably agree with more than they think. I'm not so firmly in the camp of "all gays are bad" camp as I am "all socially unacceptable behavior in public is bad, no matter the perpetrator."

569 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:03:37pm

re: #565 BillLangston

re: #558 Lorenska

Dear Lorenska, I am not trying to insult you even if I end up doing just that by stating my views forcefully.

You see, I get the impression that the gay lobby is tryin to do just exactly what you are against the Islamists trying to do. What is the difference?

You see, I have not heard the gay lobby, the ones that are supposed to be the 'normal' homosexuals, ever condemming the NAMBLA. What is the great difference between them and CAIR refusing to condemm HAMAS?

Please enlighten me as to how I have got it wrong.

SF
Bill

No insult taken, you're so nice when disagreeing with me. :) I think, and this may be naive, but the only way I can put it is this - I feel more equipped to protect my son from the 'gay lobby' than I do from the "Islamofascists." I don't feel like the gays want everyone to live their lifestyle, they just want everyone to accept THEM living it (and that's not necessarily OK, either). IFs, on the other hand, want everyone to live by their rules, and do exactly as they do - not just let THEM do it, but make everyone ELSE do it, too. Do you think gays want us all to be gay, or just to accept them being gay? I guess that's the difference I see, right or wrong - again, my opinion, and I'd like to hear if it makes sense to you.

570 Suzette  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:07:32pm

To me it is not just the gay part of it.....if this were heterosexual acts it would be just as wrong.
Open sex in the streets.....all in the interest of freedom.
Our world is upside down. Nothing is wrong anymore and if you say something is wrong, bad, vile...then you have a problem.
Do we not have a thing called decency anymore?

571 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:10:36pm

re: #565 BillLangston

re: #558 Lorenska

Dear Lorenska, I am not trying to insult you even if I end up doing just that by stating my views forcefully.

You see, I get the impression that the gay lobby is tryin to do just exactly what you are against the Islamists trying to do. What is the difference?

You see, I have not heard the gay lobby, the ones that are supposed to be the 'normal' homosexuals, ever condemming the NAMBLA. What is the great difference between them and CAIR refusing to condemm HAMAS?

Please enlighten me as to how I have got it wrong.

SF
Bill

PS, I just re-read your post, and don't want to seem like I'm cherrypicking what I address - as to your comment that gays don't condemn awful things like NAMBLA, of course that's beyond wrong, and again - the few gays I know DO condemn things like that, often and loudly. So I guess that's where we part ways again - I understand the 'vocal' gay community is different, but I have to base my opinions on those I know personally and know are good people.

572 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:13:51pm

re: #569 Lorenska

Well, if it makes any difference, I completely get where you're coming from and I agree. Islamofascists have had more luck blowing up my town than militant homos (the photos were gross, ugh) have had converting me.

573 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:15:40pm

re: #572 eastvillageinfidel

And I also know a lot of gay people who loudly condemn NAMBLA. :)

574 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:22:32pm

re: #569 Lorenska

What I personally believe is that the homosexual lobby wants the rest of us to accept them as 'normal'. I will not do that; I do not agree that they are acting 'normal', I believe they are acting abnormally and I also believe they are immoral.

I think that accepting their behavior as 'normal' will have unwanted consequences, indeed, it already has.

I would like to just ignore them and let them do their perverted acts in private but I fear that it is a bit like the nose-of-the-camel-under-the-tent thing to do so. My citing of NAMBLA is a good example of that; in order to fulfill their sexual desires they have to involve a young child.

Hell, the outlandishness of the event that started this thread is a good example of 'mission creep'. Everybody here with any age under their belt knows that something like it would never have been allowed even in San Francisco a few decades ago.

SF
Bill

575 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:26:36pm

re: #573 eastvillageinfidel

I see a couple of posts that make the claim. Could any of you provide me with a link to such a condemnation? I will be willing to moderate my stance if you can show me the truth to what you are claiming.

SF
Bill

576 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:28:09pm

re: #572 eastvillageinfidel

re: #569 Lorenska

Well, if it makes any difference, I completely get where you're coming from and I agree. Islamofascists have had more luck blowing up my town than militant homos (the photos were gross, ugh) have had converting me.

God bless you for saying so, that's ALL I've been trying to say all day, and everyone immediately decided I was a plant from GLAAD or something - their point was that gays are eroding our society, which is more of a threat than terrorism, but I just can't be swayed to that. I really don't think Larry from down the street is secretly plotting to turn my husband gay - but I DO think Mohammed from around the corner is secretly plotting to put me in a burka. That's the difference, gays don't want everyone to be gay, they just want everyone to let THEM be gay. Certainly more gays denounce NAMBLA than Muslims denounce Hamas....but everyone here has valid opinions, obviously, so I've tried to just make my point without ruffling feathers. It's nice, though, to finally hear someone understand what I was trying to say, thank you. :)

577 unclassifiable  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:28:42pm

Was Mayor Gavin there?

/just wondering

578 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:32:00pm

re: #575 BillLangston

re: #573 eastvillageinfidel

I see a couple of posts that make the claim. Could any of you provide me with a link to such a condemnation? I will be willing to moderate my stance if you can show me the truth to what you are claiming.

SF
Bill

Unfortunately, my knowledge of such condmnation comes from my brother in law, and he doesn't post his beliefs on the web - but that's what I mean, I base my opinions on people I've had in my home for dinner, not those marching in the streets in leather leotards.

As for your other statements, I don't even totally disagree, but I do think that wanting someone to accept the way YOU live (assuming you're not harming anyone) and wanting to force the entire world to live the way you do are vastly different ideologies. I'm much more worried that Islamofascists are going to take away my right to vote (drive, divorce, THINK) than I am that the lesbian down the street is going to force me to start wearing flannel. I'm not trying to minimize your worries, they're valid and I understand them - I just don't have the same level of concern that you do regarding this group.

579 neocon hippie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:32:29pm

And still performed by Zero, with former Grateful Dead/JGB vocalist Donna Jean Godchaux McKay singing. Who, BTW, became a Christian after she left the band and after her husband, also a former GD member (keyboards) was killed in a car accident.

re: #493 ackomanyuki

Gomorrah Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia

Played regularly by the Jerry Garcia Band from its introduction in 1977.

Just a song of Gomorrah
I wonder what they did there
Must have been a bad thing
to get shot down for

I wonder how they blew it up
or if they tore it down
Get out, get out, Mr Lot
and don't you look around

Who gave you your orders?
Someone from the sky
I heard a voice inside my head
in the desert wind so dry

I heard a voice telling me to flee
The very same voice I always believe
Said: a lot of trouble coming
but it don't have to come to you
I'm sparing you so you can tell
the rest what you been through

But don't you turn around, no
Don't look after you
It's not your business how it's done
You're lucky to get through

You're a good upstanding man
A credit to the flock
But if you don't face straight ahead
You could not stand the shock

Blew the city off the map
Left nothing there but fire
The wife of Lot got turned to salt
because she looked behind her

Because she looked behind
Because she looked behind
[etc]

580 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:39:16pm

re: #575 BillLangston

re: #573 eastvillageinfidel

I see a couple of posts that make the claim. Could any of you provide me with a link to such a condemnation? I will be willing to moderate my stance if you can show me the truth to what you are claiming.

SF
Bill

Just a follow up to my previous note about not having links to gays that denounce NAMBLA - as with any group, the negative and/or the most vocal of course gets the most media and attention. Gays who WOULD denounce NAMBLA are the ones at home, not saying anything to anyone about even BEING gay, much less standing up and speaking online about it. They're probably the ones who are still in the closet, and so of course there'll never be anything public about their views, good or bad.

581 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:42:56pm

re: #575 BillLangston

Hi Bill - No, I don't have any links. I'm afraid I don't really keep up with the intricacies of the gay political agenda . I do live in NYC and am in a 'creative' field and am close friends with many gay men. Thay are ALL very decent people, some more prudish than me. NAMBLA isn't a frequent topic of conversation , but I can tell you for a fact that they hate those scum as much as any of us. They would probably also be asking themselves the same question I did as I looked at Zombies pictures : Don't those people have mothers?

582 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:50:41pm

re: #581 eastvillageinfidel

p.s.
I agree that freaky-ass groups that insist on performing profoundly vulgar degrading activities on public streets are eroding the values of our society. :)

583 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:55:05pm

re: #578 Lorenska

Dear Lorenska,

I am afraid that so many people are caught up in 'moral relativism' that we can think straight (no pun intended) anymore.

Let us seperate the Islamist from this issue because it only confuses it.
You and others seem to be saying live and let live or words to that effect when it comes to the homosexual lifestyle. That who are we to tell them how to live? Unfortunately in our society there are many ways that we tell everyone how to live; if we were to do otherwise we would be living in anarchy. Just because you belong to a human sacrifice cult (say you are an Aztec) you are not allowed to practice your religion here. I could go on forever.

There are many things that we have determined are detrimental to our society so we do not allow them. It is my belief that homosexual marriage is one of those things so I am against it. The live and let live crowd does not see it that way and completely overlooks the fact that is goes against societal 'norms' and is ultimately harmful. That just can't seem to look deeply enough into it and are running on emotions only. It looks to me like they have gotten such open minds that their brains have fallen out! (G)

So I think that we would be better off putting homosexuals back in the closet. I'm sorry that I offend people by saying that but I believe it to be true.

This may be too big an issue for this forum because it could go on for a long time and Mr. Johnston probably would get tired of it anyway!

SF
Bill

584 RTLM  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 7:59:52pm

I'll never drink Miller agian.

585 ackomanyuki  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:02:14pm

I haven't felt thid disturbed since I stopped over in Amsterdamn on my way back from Israel twelve years ago.

Coincidence truly is G-ds way remaining anonomous: I just got a script to prep me for some oral surgery under general anesteshia next week, a cocktail of 20mg. of Diazapam, and 32ozs. of Newcastle is what it will take to put me down tonight

586 JHW  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:02:31pm

I don`t know what to make of this, from the BBC;

Gay Bomb gets Ig Nobel Prize

587 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:03:05pm

re: #575 BillLangston

re: #573 eastvillageinfidel

I see a couple of posts that make the claim. Could any of you provide me with a link to such a condemnation? I will be willing to moderate my stance if you can show me the truth to what you are claiming.

SF
Bill

I know people who are gay who are good citizens, nice people, good co-workers, excellent neighbors, family or partnership oriented - not exhibitionistic morons trolling for temporary partners for sex.

I also in particular know one couple that has a daughter (adorable girl). They probably share most of the values we associate as family values - perhaps more than I myself do, actually. They are very good mothers.

588 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:03:35pm

re: #581 eastvillageinfidel

Dear eastvillageinfidel,

I too have known homosexuals in the past and I even have a relative that is a homosexual so the issue is not one of ignorance of the breed!

I will even admit that there have been many creative things done by them and I'm not talking about 'Piss Christ' either.

When I made my last post and said that I felt that they should go back to the closet I was more or less thinking about the way they had to live some years ago. It is sort of a don't ask, don't tell sort of thing which is the best that I can do.

Also, I am not in favor of hurting gays simply because they are gay. My disapproval does not call for physical punishment, that would be wrong.

SF
Bill

589 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:06:07pm

re: #587 Catttt

Okay but where is the little girl's father? How will she get the things she needs from a father from two mothers?

SF
Bill

590 Catttt  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:07:57pm

re: #589 BillLangston

re: #587 Catttt

Okay but where is the little girl's father? How will she get the things she needs from a father from two mothers?

SF
Bill

She has two loving moms and a wide extended family. It's not what you consider the right set of parents, but it works for them.

591 Richard Romano  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:13:13pm

Absolutely revolting. The cops were sure out of sight for this one!

592 PineCone  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:15:51pm

Pitiful is the only word that I can summon up to describe the shameless public debauchery depicted in Zombie's photo essay.

593 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:18:14pm

re: #590 Catttt

So you say, I'm sure it works fine for the two women but I wonder how it 'works' for the little girl?

Two women will never be able to provide a normal experience for the children as well as two men can't either.

SF
Bill

594 wiggs  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:19:46pm

Ha! I grew up in New Orleans, this reminds me of Mardi Gras day down in the French Quarters.

Makes my skin crawl. Not anti-gay, mind you...anti-depravity (yeah, I know, I'm old-fashioned that way).

595 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:21:19pm

re: #590 Catttt

re: #589 BillLangston


re: #587 Catttt

Okay but where is the little girl's father? How will she get the things she needs from a father from two mothers?

SF
Bill


She has two loving moms and a wide extended family. It's not what you consider the right set of parents, but it works for them.

I would rather see kids in a functional, nontraditional family than a disfunctional one that just happens to be 'correct' biologically. Two moms may be 'incorrect' by a biological standpoint, but if they are raising the kids in a loving, respectful, and nurturing environment, those kids will be a lot better off than if they are with straight parents who yell and scream and fight all the time.

596 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:26:43pm

my last post was actually supposed to be in response to #593. Oops. It makes a little more sense that way.

also, I do think that a traditional family (one male, one female parent) is best, but a good functional family can come in many shapes and sizes and produce good, respectable children.

Everything on the computer screen is starting to run together. I should get some sleep.

597 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:27:09pm

re: #595 NoSpam

Well, of course that goes without saying. But what about a dysfunctional couple that just happen to be the same sex? Are you saying that no such thing exists?

SF
Bill

598 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:29:52pm

re: #597 BillLangston

re: #595 NoSpam

Well, of course that goes without saying. But what about a dysfunctional couple that just happen to be the same sex? Are you saying that no such thing exists?

SF
Bill


No, not at all. I think those idiots who brought their little girls to the leather fair should be thrown in jail for child abuse. I'm just saying is that it may not be a 'normal' family, but if those women are good people, then those kids will be fine.

599 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:32:21pm

re: #596 NoSpam

Go get some sleep, you will feel better in the morning.

This social experiment of homos raising kids has not been going on long enough to make these statements that they can be just fine. It will take some time in order for the kids to grow up and be examined (that sounds cold but it is the only way I can think of to express it) before we will know for sure.

It is my belief that it will be bad for the kids no matter how satisfying it may be for the adults.

SF
Bill

600 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:34:12pm

re: #9 eclectic infidel

No Folsom Street Fair would be complete without a vendor for the Baby Jesus Butt Plug. It's the sort of event where I always run into old faces from years ago.

Good times, good times.

Uff da.

Fy da~!

~Norsk Troll

601 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:36:58pm

re: #588 BillLangston

Hey Bill - I wasn't implying you don't know any gay people. LOL. You are right, this isn't the right forum to debate this. Can we agree to disagree about this issue for now, and just agree that the photos were heinous? :)

602 psaturn  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:37:13pm

I was going to forward the link to Zombie's page to show what is going on in San Francisco but I decided against it...it was too embarrasing.

603 capitalistincharge  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:37:24pm

re: #370 Dianna

Dianna, In my opinion these folks are perverted, shameful and just plain evil. So sorry if that offends your sense of fairness. I believe each of us has the right to use our individual sense of morality to form an opinion. Now, add to this depravity the fact that there were children allowed into this event and it becomes criminal, in addition, which solidifies the evil of the event and the participants. I don't care what people do in the privacy of their own homes but these folks, as Zombie pointed out, like to include the crowd in their depravity. I'll call them as I see them....they are perverts and the event is pure evil. I think that's fair, but then, that's just me.

604 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:38:19pm

But we have been undergoing a 'social experiment' for decades now. The non traditional family in various forms is nothing new. There are many people who grow up in single-parent households and turn out fine. There are also many who don't, but when you look at the individual cases it boils down to the character of the parents. If the parent or parents, whomever they may be and whatever their views, are good-hearted and strong willed, they overwhelmingly produce good children who grow up to be responsible adults. If the parents are jerks, the kids turn out the same way.

Having a traditional family certainly helps, but it is not the alpha and omega of producing good children. Parents of good character produce children of good character.

605 Lorenska  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:39:19pm

re: #597 BillLangston

re: #595 NoSpam

Well, of course that goes without saying. But what about a dysfunctional couple that just happen to be the same sex? Are you saying that no such thing exists?

SF
Bill

I only have a sec, but I've been catching up on posts, and I have to make this point - as with Cattt, I, too, have known many gays, who are decent, loving people, just as I've known many heteros who are hateful and unpleasant. My point is this, with regards to all the 'family' talk - my brother in law is gay, everyone knows it, and he's one of the best people I know - he dotes on my son, more than anyone else in my husband's family (and NO, not like that, before anyone even says it), However, my in-laws are very religious, and Shawn has to live the "don't ask/don't tell" life that's been described here. Talk about dysfunctional families - my inlaws are some of the best people I know, but Shawn isn't allowed to talk about anything personal or social, because this topic is off limits. I believe his relationship with his parents and siblings has been severely damaged because there is so much he has to hide, and so much his parents don't know about him. On the other hand, my husband has ANOTHER brother, hetero as all get out - drug addict, practically homeless, and not very nice. Which uncle do you think I'd leave my son with?

606 BillLangston  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:39:53pm

re: #601 eastvillageinfidel

Yes, my eyes are getting droopy anyway.

See you tomorrow.

SF
Bill

607 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:42:58pm

re: #605 Lorenska

re: #597 BillLangston


re: #595 NoSpam

Well, of course that goes without saying. But what about a dysfunctional couple that just happen to be the same sex? Are you saying that no such thing exists?

SF
Bill


I only have a sec, but I've been catching up on posts, and I have to make this point - as with Cattt, I, too, have known many gays, who are decent, loving people, just as I've known many heteros who are hateful and unpleasant. My point is this, with regards to all the 'family' talk - my brother in law is gay, everyone knows it, and he's one of the best people I know - he dotes on my son, more than anyone else in my husband's family (and NO, not like that, before anyone even says it), However, my in-laws are very religious, and Shawn has to live the "don't ask/don't tell" life that's been described here. Talk about dysfunctional families - my inlaws are some of the best people I know, but Shawn isn't allowed to talk about anything personal or social, because this topic is off limits. I believe his relationship with his parents and siblings has been severely damaged because there is so much he has to hide, and so much his parents don't know about him. On the other hand, my husband has ANOTHER brother, hetero as all get out - drug addict, practically homeless, and not very nice. Which uncle do you think I'd leave my son with?

exactly. It's about character, not sexual orientation.

608 wiggs  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:46:20pm

re: #605 Lorenska

Lorenska, absolutely. I see in some of the comments that folks are equating the activity in these photos with a "homosexual lifestyle". That's like saying straight sado-masochists represent a "heterosexual lifestyle". Degraded perverts are degraded perverts, no matter which way they lean, and part of their perversion is being looked at by, and shocking, those who don't share in their perversion.

Homosexuality does NOT equal degradation and perversion, except in a small minority who, unfortunately, like the public spotlight.

609 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:46:51pm

re: #184 cygnus

re: #31 sefton

So, have we become Rome before the fall or Sodom ?
If your leaving San Francisco don't dare to look back.
Pillar of salt and all that.

I heard that Ruth Bell Graham said once that if God didn't judge America, He'd have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah. With this sort of garbage being sanctioned by a city government, it won't be too much longer, I'm afraid.

Yep. I hope all of you living in America have a Plan 'B', so to speak.

Stuff like this isn't allowed to continue forever. Doesn't suit the purpose of people being put on earth, and all that that implies.

A nice island in the Pacific is a nice place to live....

/just sayin'.

~Norsk Troll

610 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:49:13pm

re: #609 EtNorskTroll

A nice island in the Pacific is a nice place to live....

/just sayin'.

~Norsk Troll


I'd prefer a mountop Fortress of Doom(tm) but to each their own, I guess.


Later everybody.

611 Patrizio  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:49:54pm

This is basically the worst in the entire planet. Not even in Europe is this allowed. For the sake of the United States, some big outlet like Bill O'Reilly please pick up on this and spread it all over the place. This needs to stop, and soon.

612 NoSpam  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:49:59pm

mounTAINtop.

PIMF.

613 ContraJihadi  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:54:39pm

re: #596 NoSpam


I do think that a traditional family (one male, one female parent) is best, but a good functional family can come in many shapes and sizes and produce good, respectable children.

It may be possible in an individual case for two lesbian women to raise a good, respectable child; but because such an upbringing parts from the biological, cultural, and psychological norm, the individuals would have to be exceptionally conscientious and diligent. One of them would have to make the attempt, confusing and awkward to the child as it most likely would appear and would fundamentally be, to provide the authority, model of competence, bridge to and buffer against the world at large that has traditionally been provided by the father.

Human beings and the mode of human life are variable, but not infinitely so. What can be done with habitual assurance by a traditional family because it has a firm basis in the instinct of the species, can only with great concentration of effort and devotion be attempted, let alone accomplished, in a home aberrant. And in no case can it ever become a majority position without serious alteration of culture and society.

White under these exceptional circumstances a loving home can exist with two mothers, it can never become the model for other homes.

614 Split Level Head  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:54:49pm

My wive and I were looking at the pictures and she kept saying "that is sick, SICK" to which I replied "no, that is progressive!"

615 eastvillageinfidel  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:54:55pm

re: #605 Lorenska

Again, I'm totally with you! :)

616 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 8:55:00pm

re: #608 wiggs

re: #605 Lorenska

Lorenska, absolutely. I see in some of the comments that folks are equating the activity in these photos with a "homosexual lifestyle". That's like saying straight sado-masochists represent a "heterosexual lifestyle". Degraded perverts are degraded perverts, no matter which way they lean, and part of their perversion is being looked at by, and shocking, those who don't share in their perversion.

Homosexuality does NOT equal degradation and perversion,
except in a small minority who, unfortunately, like the public spotlight.

Homosexuality IS sexual deviation, wiggs....

A quick anatomy class for you: Penises are meant for women's vaginas, not to be stuffed up men's anuses. The act of a man and women engaging in procreation produces children.

For a man to stuff his erect penis up another man's anus is a deviation from what it was designed for. It's a PERVERSION of it's designed purpose(s).

Homosexuality is sexual perversion and/or deviation.

Besides, nature shows that it abhors homosexuality: there are no homosexual couples that have had children by themselves naturally. That's why homosexuals have to recruit at schools and Fairs like this.

I cannot believe that everyone cannot see this....

?

~Norsk Troll

617 Droplet  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:00:04pm

More photos of the guy with the dildo coming out of his ass! He should get First in Show.

618 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:02:59pm

I think I lost purity points just looking at the pictures.

And I don't have many left.

619 new2thezoo  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:07:46pm

First... I have to thank Zombie for exposing this quick glimpse of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Second... I feel physically ill.

Third... for those that believe in God...
Gen 19:28 He (Abraham) looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

Folks, judgment cometh.

620 CyanSnowHawk  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:10:00pm

re: #536 mac

re: #524 CyanSnowHawk
They didn't expect outrage re. the poster? What "mainstream attention"?
Perhaps I misunderstood Dianna. What was her point?

The poster was a spoof of a very famous work of art that has been drawing attention for the last few years. There was no outrage when the Sopranos spoofed it. There was no outrage when the Simpsons spoofed it. So no, I don't think they expected outrage. The mainstream attention I refer to is the widespread media coverage that happened when the Catholic League started kicking up a fuss about it and you started seeing stories about it on Drudge and FoxNews.

Dianna's point would have been, the Leather community only put up the posters and targeted their advertising of the event to their desired audience. It was the controversy and the resulting coverage that brought it to the attention of everyone else. You and me included.

621 Manzanita and Sage  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:10:51pm

Foul. Simply foul.

622 neocon hippie  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:12:19pm
623 EtNorskTroll  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:15:30pm

re: #619 new2thezoo

First... I have to thank Zombie for exposing this quick glimpse of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Second... I feel physically ill.

Third... for those that believe in God...
Gen 19:28 He (Abraham) looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

Folks, judgment cometh.

Oh, C'mon new2...if you really know God (and by that I mean the True & Living God, not that piece of garbage "Allah"), then you know what a wonderful, merciful, patient Person He really is. He let hitler live for years and years while he was murdering Jews, for pity's sake~!

Nah...I'll bet you best seat at the Wedding Feast that He'll let them go on for in the hopes that one (maybe two?) will repent, ask for forgiveness through His Son Jesus and turn from a life of perversion.

I know Him too well to think otherwise...after all, He was kind and patient enough to allow me to repent. I'm guessing He did the same for you, right?

How about everyone else out there who believe in God: aren't you glad He was patient with you?

~Norsk Troll

624 MrSilverDragon  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:22:23pm

Ouch, negative rating for stating thought, sorry we don't see eye to eye.

/no sarc

625 RememberSekhmet?  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:34:47pm

Most gay people I know wouldn't be caught doing all that.

There was this Gay and Lesbian Film Festival, and one of the films caught my eye: It was apparently about someone hiring a private eye to follow around someone's gay kid, wanting to catch him in all sorts of perversions. The gay kid turned out to bore the private eye spitless with his going out to eat with friends, going to work, and playing on his friend's Playstation. Kinda reminds me of some of my gay coworkers.

626 formercorpsman  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 9:51:38pm

I will leave it at this.

Understanding this fair is not representative of homosexual population at large, the homosexual population at large, with their lobby, special interest representation, and political machines should be at the forefront protesting these get togethers with at least as much effort as they are pushing for gay marriage. Very much the same as the moderate muslim should be at the front of the line in opposition to the Bosnian boys in Jersey, or the jeep driver in North Carolina, instead of pissing about islamaphobia.

As for people making the comparison, and claiming justifiable outrage whether it is a gay or straight engaging in such public discourse, I was not born yesterday. Quite frankly, the only group we see pushing this on the general populace is 9 times out of 10, gay men. The only thing I can come close to comparison would be Mardi Gras, but at most is public nudity, with some involvement by law enforcement to break things up, but not to the level of blowing someone in broad daylight, or shoving a dildo as far as one can up one's ass with folks cheering on. Yes, I am aware of orgies, swinger's clubs, nude beaches, etc. These places are isolated, designated, particularly for these actions. I have no real proximity to this action unless I seek it out.

Inclusion in the Saint Patrick's Day Parades are not terribly tame either.

Does this equate to me wanting them to be interned? Killed? Not being able to see a loved one dying in hospital?

No, but many of the political whores would put those words in my mouth to advance such an agenda, with the specific intent of circumventing the judicial branch of our government, and it's responsibility for all citizens, straight, gay, and all of the above.

As for the couples, in my heart, I can say it is true you can show me examples of kids raised by gay parents who do fine, no doubt. I think this is the exception. I can also state from close personal experience, there are kids in that situation who don't turn out well.

Ponder this. Rosie has a couple of kids with her significant other. They have a little boy who asks why he does not have a daddy. Her answer is that one day he will be a daddy.

That does not cut the mustard in my book folks. And before placing all the caveats about bad fathers, straight families, absent fathers, ...... moral equivalence. One does not serve as an equal substitute for the other.

I can say, I would not know my biological father if I tripped over him. I am fortunate however, that a man came in to my mother's life when I was still a baby, and took on a responsibility that was not his. My mother is a fine woman. She is/was a great mom growing up. There are things that shaped me as an adult male that I could never have gotten from her. Much the same, I am sure that daughter could not get solely from a father in the nurturing process. What I am saying, is the governmental system that has evolved is largely antithetical to the traditional family on many fronts, hence, the increase in single parent households. Not the sole reason, but it bears a big portion of the responsibility.

All in all, what many in this community are striving for is not the same of what they claimed just 20-30 years ago. The right to be left alone, in private, to pursue their own adult lives as they wish. It has morphed into more than that. It becomes a forced acceptance. It encroaches on someone else's right as well. If I own a business, and I don't want someone wearing their lifestyle on their sleeve, I get sued because I make a decision about what I want my business to be like?

It is a slippery slope.

All the time, we accuse people in the public square who pony up to the lords of political correctness when they claim a few radicals hijack islam. Guilt by omission. No different here. Gay rights groups would only get the advantage by getting out in front of this kind of stuff, they choose not to. They solicit corporations instead.

I am sure this will piss off more than a few people. You have my apology.

627 spidly  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 10:13:35pm

perfect response to "it takes a village..."

628 wiggs  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 10:57:31pm

I'm sorry if I offend anybody - and I certainly will - but I connect degradation and perversion with objectifying and dehumanizing one's sexual partner, which happens in both gay and straight "lifestyles". Not what outie fits in what innie.

To Formercorpsman (#626): I agree absolutely that mainstream gays should protest this kind of depravity. Not being part of the gay community, I don't know why they don't. (Also, a humble thanks for your service.)

629 Orde  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 11:23:21pm

Thanks for the education zombie, I really didn't know it was legal to do all that so publicly. Nor did I know they sold stuff like the Baby Jesus Butt Plugs. But at least there were not any kids there this year, right? I didn't see pics of them anyway.

630 j-damn[deleted]  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 11:26:34pm
631 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Oct 4, 2007 11:59:03pm

Starting to think maybe Islam isn't all bad . . .

632 neoconkat  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:20:08am

Man... I know some of those people. I really do know them... on the 2nd page. The guy in the fursuit and a few others. Weird.

633 AirForceWife  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:25:47am

#576 Lorenska 10/04/07 7:28:09 pm reply quote report


I really don't think Larry from down the street is secretly plotting to turn my husband gay - but I DO think Mohammed from around the corner is secretly plotting to put me in a burka. That's the difference, gays don't want everyone to be gay, they just want everyone to let THEM be gay.

The activists groups demand that we all accept it as natural and normal. I had to go to a gay rights convention in nursing school as part of our community health course and that was the theme. The speakers said that it is not enough to be tolerated, they must be accepted. I can't think of a more insecure group. They go into even elementary schools to push their agenda of acceptance. Why is their own security about their sexuality so wrapped up in whether or not everyone accepts what it is they do? The way I see it, the church and the military are the last hold outs where the militant type of gay people can't push the acceptance agenda on others and get away with it which is why those two groups are the number one targets of the activists. And mark my word, the next Democratic or liberal Republican President will force the military to allow openly gay people. Clinton compromised with don't ask don't tell and that was 13 years ago.

634 Infidelle  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:35:32am

Dammit
.
I'll never again be able to hear the phrase ' It's Miller Time' without throwing up in my mouth a little ... this time it's way past crazy for them to sponsor Sodom , the Return.

635 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:45:31am

Airforce wife, you are absolutely correct. The homosexual agenda is to stamp out all opposition.

I know these photos are of freaks and that there are more normative gays out there, but after seeing this Zombie exhibit, I am really questioning my level of tolerance for homosexuality overall.

636 stuck-in-ca  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:46:07am

re: #490 madisonsfriend

Like the naked woman in this set- lots of guys were taking their picutre- I just continued on my waySpeaking of "parades"- I will have an opportunity to find out what the meaning of the puppets are at the marches. I don't understand how giant puppets help a cause- although I am willing to make and burn a giant Imanutjob in DC at some point- but my feeling is the people who will be talking would probably not be in favor of burning one of their heroes. I will let you know what I learn- I will be quiet lest my motives be suspect-

What it all means? THEY ARE FREAKS! That's what it all means. I don't see any deep meaning in any of their depraved and vile shit. They are freaks.

637 stuck-in-ca  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:47:49am

re: #619 new2thezoo


Third... for those that believe in God...
Gen 19:28 He (Abraham) looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

Folks, judgment cometh.

Well I sure hope so. I want to think there will be some punishment somewhere for this depravity. Cause the cops sure as hell didn't care.

638 LC LaWedgie  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 1:45:43am

Is this the Bill Clinton "Don't Ask" military day parade?

This is why the Dems wouldn't debate on Fox. They might have to answer a hardball question on whether they support the mission. Barrio Bomber would be flattened. Hillary would blubber, tangent and balk her way through some sort of civil rights, evil Bushitler spiel.

This bunch would make great Gitmo interrogators. They understand prison life in their own tortured minds all too well.

639 shira  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 2:14:45am

Ewww. Glad I wasn't there. If I lived in San Francisco, I think I'd go far away on vacation every year during this time, and board up my house.

If people want to do this stuff in private, that's their business. Why do they have to make other, non-consenting people (including children, I hear!) look at it?! Beyond disgusting.

A point about Sodom and Gomorrah (and please excuse me if this is a repeat; I haven't read the entire thread): according to Jewish tradition, those cities were wiped out not because of any particular sexual behavior but because of their cruelty and violence. According to our tradition, "the outcry of the city" that caused God to "go down and see" what was going on there was Lot's daughter's cry for justice as she was being led to execution. Her crime: giving bread to a poor man who was dying of starvation.

640 Suzette  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 3:34:43am

re: #639 shira

When the angels came in the form of men to take Lot and his family out of the city they stayed overnight with Lot. Before retiring for the evening the men of the city came banging at Lot's door. They were wanting the men that were staying overnight with him. He even offered up his virgin daughters and they said no...they wanted the men.
So yes sodomy was a major problem. But in general 'sexual depravity' was a major problem within the cities.
What Zombie posted was full blown 'sexual depravity' not just the homosexuality of it. The exhibitionism, the self-sex, the degradation of religious figures as sex objects, the narcissistic self-love, the hedonism of it all reeks of vileness. In the open and with the consent of the mayor and of the city in general. Disgusting. Sure live and let live right? Can we say anything is wrong and of moral decay anymore? Consenting adults and all? Does it have to be as a public festival? Does it have to be tolerated as this is just how they are?
It is wrong, it is vile, it is rotten to the core. It is in your face depravity!

641 Soccer Fan  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 5:50:32am

re: #499 ploome hineni

this stuff is so revolting and sick, my computer rejects it

and will not load the last dozen pics

just as well, I need brain bleach ow

...and how pathetic, that tattooed leather biker type, giving himself a colonoscopy with a rubber hose, while yanking his peepee

who cleans up that mess?

My computer won't download almost 50% of the pics, gives up at about the "Charity Spanking Booth.

642 nemo  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 5:51:04am

First ew ... those images are forever etched into that part of the memory where sounds, events and images are stored that you want to forget but cannot. However thank you Zombie for entering into a place I'd never want to go and for having the presence of mind to take pictures! For I know, unlike the images I have to deal with in my mind, you have sounds and smells associated with yours. You are a far braver man than many.

Second, I saw pictures of Buddha and Judeo-Christian sex toys. But absent were the Muslim -- Mohammed or Allah -- sex toys? Hm, maybe fear? Or is this a great opportunity for some sex toy entrepreneur who fears not the Fatwa?

Oh well, I guess the offensiveness of Brokeback Mohammed will have to satisfy my sense of balance ... for now.

643 tempest67  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 6:52:20am

re: #575 BillLangston

whoa. the reason you don't see gays taking NAMBLA to task is because nobody takes NAMBLA seriously -- it is, quite literally, a joke. i know many, many gays -- not one would find "man-boy love" (the MBL in nambla, i think) acceptable, any more than my straight friends would find "man-girl love" ok. (oh, and my father was a child abuse investigator -- believe me, there is a *lot* of disturbing, damaging man-girl "love" going on out there. do you, as a straight guy, feel compelled to go around saying "of course, i would never want to sleep with a little girl!" of course you wouldn't, and nobody would expect you to -- even suggesting that the idea would come to you is strange.) nambla is a freakish sideshow who get attention only because what they're saying is so ridiculous -- not because the gay community supports them. i know this is unpopular here, but -- anybody read Andrew Sullivan? ;-)

644 Derek  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 7:10:57am

re: #479 goodbye_natalie

How about the Jesus Jackhammers or the Jesus buttplugs? Should we put those to rest too or can we cast judgement about those who would mock the One whom many of us consider God?

Anybody here who could possibly, even remotely, minimize this level of depravity is a good reminder to me that there are many here on this board who are really no closer to me than the KKKos Kidz, no matter how they vote, what else they post, or who they like.

You said it.

I've been blasted by a particular irritating poster on this thread for passing judgment on what I see as an' evil activity'.

He/She claims they're 'Christian', and yet sees no malice in the mockery of Jesus Christ as an anal sex toy.

If that's not Satan at work, I truly don't know what is.

645 BabbaZee  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 7:17:47am

Why did I look?


GOD help us all.

646 Nat-X  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 8:11:52am

re: #53 Ojoe

Of course, this is no good in San Francisco.

Probably because of this:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUc62jD-G0o&mod e=related&search=

The homophobia...tsk, tsk.

Warning: cursing, yelling, violence, non-PC ideas...you know, USMC bootcamp.

647 paybacktime  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 10:29:44am

The Folsom Street Fair should have invited Ahm-mad-bout-jihad to speak there.

648 paybacktime  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 10:31:38am

If the SF Police won't enforce decency, the SF Police Dpt should be fired and new people hired who will enforce the law.

The Police Commisioner should be fired.

The Mayor of SF should be impeached.

649 lummox  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 10:45:02am

It has to be a really wierd thread for Charles to delete his own post
(#51)

650 lummox  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 10:52:27am

wierdqueer

pimf

/

651 MikalM  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 11:16:02am

Here's another photographic report from a similarly non-PC journalist. (Trivia: In the third pic down, note the tanned, muscular guy on the right. He's made a pest of himself at all sorts of San Fran "alternative" events by stripping naked and publically masturbating. Local hipsters refer to him as "The Porn Star.")

652 bald headed geek  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 12:20:07pm

I'm not from the Bay Area, and have never been there (though I have always heard that San Francisco, from purely an aesthetic point of view, is one of the most beautiful cities in the country, if not the world). I view stuff like this, however, and I can't help but think that lunacy is the norm in that city. Up is down, white is black, night is day, etc., etc. What is in the water in that place? Is everyone there really that demented?

BHG

653 A. van Hilten  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 1:01:56pm

Well, it seems we now know why there are no homosexuals in Iran — they are all in Pelosistan!

I don’t have a problem with homosexuals (or anyone else, for that matter) bumping uglies with their favorite partner(s) behind closed doors, but this open-air gay schtick is completely beyond the pale, IMO.

This in-your-face attitude is so narcissistic it reminds me of little children (usually boys if I’m not mistaken), who have a fixation with their own genitals and/or excrements: “Look at me — I have a penis and can poop too!” Well, I guess people have issues everywhere you go, not just in San Francisco. But this is a grotesque contrast to the city’s attitude towards the US military.

What I really find obscene about all this melée of butts ‘n’ plugs and whatever suits their fancy is not the urge of gay people to stick it up (no pun intend... oh, well) to society, but the inaction of the authorities. This would never be allowed to happen in the light of day in any major European city, I think. There would be a huge popular outcry in Spain if they tried to pull something similar in a gay pride parade.

In fact, the most disgusting of the all the pics Zombie has posted for (y)our viewing pleasure is this one of two fully-dressed police officers voyeurs. (This must be the first recorded instance of voyeurs looking the other way, BTW!)

And for those of you trotting out the Pat Robertson-esque “Sodom and Gomorrah” BBQ punch line, I’m afraid the Good Lord must have fallen asleep at the wheel at some point, or else, He’d have burned Berlin to the ground in 1939. Instead, it was the nazis who set the Reichstag on fire while Europe was going up in flames — which is the literal meaning of holocaust (i.e. “a sacrifice consumed by fire”).

So, nope, I don’t think the Lord is willing to punish the sodomites anymore than He was willing to punish the saddamites or the nazis for their heinous crimes against humanity.

Sorry but last time I checked it was raw military force that helped achieve those goals, not some form of divine wrath. (The graves of thousands upon thousands of Allied bomber crewmen are a testament to that legacy.)

I mean, you’d think Ahmadinejad (or Hitler) would rank higher on God’s priority list if He was so concerned about the evil in this world, right? Apparently, He isn’t. Of course, that doesn’t mean He doesn’t exist, though. Just that we need to set our priorities straight and stop thinking in biblical terms before it’s too late again (and the lives of the Chosen People™ are once more squandered in the name of some paranoid, haughty ideal — like, say, ridding Europe of its Jews for the sake of a superior race). Or before the islamonazi freaks in Iran decide to visit doom on Israel.

‘Cause it ain’t gonna happen, folks. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about — the Almighty isn’t about to unleash a firestorm over any upcoming nuclear Armageddon that will wipe Israel off the map, much less over a Pelosistani gay freakshow. The only firestorms ever recorded in recent history were the direct result of Allied blood and guts. No matter how you look at it, God won’t come to the rescue of His own people to spare them from the impending doom Ahmadinejad plans to visit on them. Six million dead Jews prove my point.

(That being said, I’m all for boycotting Miller. Only problem is I don’t think I’ve ever had a sip of their beer.)

654 A. van Hilten  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 1:15:44pm

re: #652 bald headed geek

Suffice it to say that Frisco was the birthplace of the United Nations and St. Francis the patron saint of animals and ecology (at least, according to the environmentalist freakazoid movement).

SECRETARY-GENERAL SAYS SAN FRANCISCO, UN BIRTHPLACE, CAN BECOME BIRTHPLACE
OF NEW MOVEMENT TO SAVE PLANET FROM GLOBAL WARMING

[...]
San Francisco is the birthplace of the United Nations, which was created to save this world from the scourge of war.

Beware of them world-saviors, people!

655 Tamron  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 1:47:41pm

Gawd! A human zoo! Good thing they left their donkeys and dogs at home, but maybe that'll be next year's attraction.

They really need some "We love Pelosi" posters at that event. I hope Nancy takes a few of those dudes along with her as roving ambassadors, on her next trip to the Mideast.


One important point that I haven't seen mentioned in the thread is this:

--There is NO guarantee that any one (or all) of those perverts isn't actively carrying of some form of Sexually Transmitted Disease, AIDS, etc. and is freely and happily giving it to any stranger who wants to "play." It's highly possible that you are directly witnessing an open public transference of syphilis, gonorrhea or __________. (You fill in the blank)

This is an incredibly sick public display of the ingredients of a Class B porn film. San Francisco law enforcement needs to be put in jail.

Hey, if the cops give the crime of street-porn a temporary amnesty during this event, then why not also test their attitude towards a little healthy vigilante activity, all in the name of good clean fun.

March a company of Marines thru that neighborhood and see what happens. Issue them each a wire brush, a jug of bleach, a tube of superglue, and a pair of pliers. Give 'em a $10 bonus for each ring they're able to collect, etc. Since it's obviously an ongoing San Francisco outdoors art event, grant them artistic license to be as creative as they want, so they'll be invited back again next year.

Tit for tat.

656 easy  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 2:10:54pm

re: #307 Dianna

They are not going to leap out at you and your daughter and ask you to spank them.


No one expects the Spankish Imposition!

OK, so I'm no Gagdad Bob

657 A. van Hilten  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 2:12:03pm

re: #616 EtNorskTroll

re: #608 wiggs


re: #605 Lorenska

Lorenska, absolutely. I see in some of the comments that folks are equating the activity in these photos with a "homosexual lifestyle". That's like saying straight sado-masochists represent a "heterosexual lifestyle". Degraded perverts are degraded perverts, no matter which way they lean, and part of their perversion is being looked at by, and shocking, those who don't share in their perversion.

Homosexuality does NOT equal degradation and perversion,
except in a small minority who, unfortunately, like the public spotlight.


Homosexuality IS sexual deviation, wiggs....

A quick anatomy class for you: Penises are meant for women's vaginas, not to be stuffed up men's anuses. The act of a man and women engaging in procreation produces children.

For a man to stuff his erect penis up another man's anus is a deviation from what it was designed for. It's a PERVERSION of it's designed purpose(s).

Homosexuality is sexual perversion and/or deviation.

Besides, nature shows that it abhors homosexuality: there are no homosexual couples that have had children by themselves naturally. That's why homosexuals have to recruit at schools and Fairs like this.

I cannot believe that everyone cannot see this....

?

~Norsk Troll

You raise an interesting point.

Homosexuality is a statistical deviation from the norm (i.e. what is now called an “alternative lifestyle”) and it certainly goes against nature from a reproductive point of view.

So what? This evidence is anecdotal at best, unless you’re passing moral judgement on the issue based on your personal/religious beliefs. In which case, it is completely irrelevant.

Consider this: If God had wanted all of us to travel down the highway at 90 m.p.h., wouldn’t He have given us wheels instead of legs? Yep, it’s silly. But goes to show that most, if not all, things in our daily lives run counter to natural evolution (artificial insemination comes to mind).

We live in societies which shape what we (can) do and what we (may) think. And it has nothing (or very little) to do with nature. That’s why we have laws to protect the weak from abuse by the strong.

So while homosexuality is a statistical deviation from the norm, that doesn’t mean it’s a sexual perversion. That depends on your moral values and what you consider to be right or wrong. And this has nothing to do with nature, I’m afraid.

658 stuck-in-ca  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 5:39:36pm

re: #651 MikalM

Here's another photographic report from a similarly non-PC journalist. (Trivia: In the third pic down, note the tanned, muscular guy on the right. He's made a pest of himself at all sorts of San Fran "alternative" events by stripping naked and publically masturbating. Local hipsters refer to him as "The Porn Star.")


And notice there is a kid in the second photo...and a little one in a stroller in a few pics down from that one. Absolute child abuse.

659 timc  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 5:47:31pm

I apologize for not reading all 657 comments prior to posting, so this may be a repeat, but I just have to say that the issue here is not homosexuality, and I'm not going to debate whether homosexuality is right or wrong or anything. The issue here is that people are having sex in public (I am loosely defining having sex to include all the sex acts pictured, if that is not clear)...it would be equally gross to me if I saw a woman sucking a man's c--- in public too. These acts -are- depravity; but not because of the homosexuality - these people are depraved because they are separating sex from values even more so than most (for a discussion of this, see Dagny's discussion of sex and values with Rearden in Atlas Shrugged, for starters).

One thing I've learned from Zombie's posts - the people in Playboy and similar must be the top .05% of the human race (airbrushing helps too)...clothes are damn nice I have to say! Ouch.

T

660 stuck-in-ca  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 6:05:57pm

re: #653 A. van Hilten


‘Cause it ain’t gonna happen, folks. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about — the Almighty isn’t about to unleash a firestorm over any upcoming nuclear Armageddon that will wipe Israel off the map, much less over a Pelosistani gay freakshow. The only firestorms ever recorded in recent history were the direct result of Allied blood and guts. No matter how you look at it, God won’t come to the rescue of His own people to spare them from the impending doom Ahmadinejad plans to visit on them. Six million dead Jews prove my point.

(That being said, I’m all for boycotting Miller. Only problem is I don’t think I’ve ever had a sip of their beer.)

Sure, seeing as you speak for God and all!

661 carray  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 6:06:36pm

Sodom and Gomorrah must've been like this.

662 straitcircle  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 7:08:40pm

Thanks for the report. Who knew? Now I know where George Lucas got his Star Wars figurine ideas from.

663 Roadblockk  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 9:01:49pm

I am speechless. Plus I may have been psychologically harmed in view that disgusting display. I can now see how AIDS spread through that community so fast when it got to America. Wow, dirty, dirty people. I now support San Fran seceding from our Union!

I will be praying for them.

664 A. van Hilten  Fri, Oct 5, 2007 11:06:23pm

re: #660 stuck-in-ca

re: #653 A. van Hilten


‘Cause it ain’t gonna happen, folks. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about — the Almighty isn’t about to unleash a firestorm over any upcoming nuclear Armageddon that will wipe Israel off the map, much less over a Pelosistani gay freakshow. The only firestorms ever recorded in recent history were the direct result of Allied blood and guts. No matter how you look at it, God won’t come to the rescue of His own people to spare them from the impending doom Ahmadinejad plans to visit on them. Six million dead Jews prove my point.

(That being said, I’m all for boycotting Miller. Only problem is I don’t think I’ve ever had a sip of their beer.)


Sure, seeing as you speak for God and all!

See, that's my point — I don't need to pretend "I've been talkting to Jesus all my life" or quote from the Scriptures, because it’s all in the History books. Besides, who needs Pat Robertson et al when you can quote Genesis?

And Jesus he knows me
and he knows I'm right
I've been talking to Jesus all my life
oh yes he knows me
and he knows I'm right
well he's been telling me
everything's gonna be alright

Anyway, if I were running the show I’d be a tad more concerned about innocent people being driven away to their deaths in cattle cars by the thousands than I’d ever be about some freaks performing sex on the streets of San Francisco 24/7.

That’s why I find the whole notion that the Almighty is somehow gonna put on a fire-and-brimstone show now (when He did nothing to prevent/stop the Holocaust) just plain silly. But that’s just me.

If the world comes to an end, it won't be because of the Frisco freaks.

665 Zonie  Sat, Oct 6, 2007 12:13:36am

But see, we need to teach our school kids about same-sex marriage because these folks love each other almost exactly like their mommies and daddies do!

/wishing for human memory eraser

666 stuck-in-ca  Sat, Oct 6, 2007 3:10:02am

re: #664 A. van Hilten

re: #660 stuck-in-ca

That’s why I find the whole notion that the Almighty is somehow gonna put on a fire-and-brimstone show now (when He did nothing to prevent/stop the Holocaust) just plain silly. But that’s just me.

If the world comes to an end, it won't be because of the Frisco freaks.

I don't "think" God works that way either. But I don't make pronouncements that he DOESN'T. Because I would never presume to know the mind of God. If God truly went postal on Sodom & Gomorrah, it would seem that he exorcises his wrath when he's sick and tired of our shit. Maybe he just isn't quite there again yet. Who knows? Not you, not me.

667 insane_kufr  Sat, Oct 6, 2007 8:56:08am

I need to take a shower after that viewing.

Thoughts on what I saw.

Homosexuality is all about ejaculating as much as possible with as many partners as possible. The hyper-sexual nature of the exhibitionist and fetishist activity indicates, to me, a pathology.

The impression I get is of males who relish acting out in public.
I don't care if someone is gay - their sexual orientation isn't my concern.

But I wholeheartedly disagree with public displays of sex; homosexual, heterosexual, bestiality - whatever!
Attention: Public sex acts are bad for societal stability and order.

I've only got one thing to say to people engaging in public sex; "get a room".


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