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Tue, Oct 16, 2007 at 7:48:07 am PDT

In their report on Lars Vilks, the Swedish artist whose drawing of Mohammed as a dog has drawn death threats from the Religion of Peace™, CNN says Vilks should have known better.

Vilks, who has been a controversial artist for more than three decades in Sweden, says his drawing was a calculated move, and he wanted it to elicit a reaction. “That’s a way of expressing things. If you don’t like it, don’t look at it. And if you look at it, don’t take it too seriously. No harm done, really,” he says.

When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims, he is unrelenting, even defiant. “No one actually loves the truth, but someone has to say it,” he says.

Vilks, a self-described atheist, points out he’s an equal opportunity offender who in the past sketched a depiction of Jesus as a pedophile. [No death threats for that, of course. – ed.]

Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005, when a cartoonist’s depictions of the prophet sparked violent protests in the Muslim world and prompted death threats against that cartoonist’s life.

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1 Pope Insouciance IV  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:49:32am

Behead those who insult the CNN!

2 JammieWearingFool  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:49:34am

I don't watch CNN.

I know better.

3 Cap'n DOC  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:50:26am

Sounds like the tail waggin' the dog.

4 lefty201  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:50:34am

The religion of pieces cares. they take thier stunted crap very seriously.

5 storagemanager  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:51:09am
Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005, when a cartoonist’s depictions of the prophet sparked violent protests in the Muslim world and prompted death threats against that cartoonist’s life.

Don't blame Islam...Blame the man brave enough to make a stand.

6 Rednek  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:51:30am

That is so nauseating.

7 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:51:45am

The ongoing threat of violence by Islamists pays handsome dividends.

8 Opinionated  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:51:59am

We are coming to think of Islam as we do of sharks.

They are dangerous. If they are spotted, it's best to get out of the water. Confronting them is for daredevils and fools. Better to run away.

9 Rogue198  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:52:13am

Do they really want to get into an argument about "knowing better"?

Such as airing enemy propaganda videos of snipers killing our troops?

Such as revealing classified intelligence operations to the enemy?

Such as sitting down to tea with tinpot dictators?

Do they really want that fight?

10 mama winger  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:53:31am

keep your head down.

don't make eye contact.

don't speak until you are spoken to.

do not bring up unpopular subjects.

do not voice your objections.

do not resist.

march , march , march ...

11 storagemanager  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:54:03am

I don't think this is legal...they should not be allowed to get away with it...

The invitation appeared one Sunday in Joanna Chase's church bulletin: Come to a "faith forum" and join a conversation about the intersection of religion and politics.

Living in New Hampshire, Chase is accustomed to pitches from presidential hopefuls, especially those focusing on values-voting Republicans. But this one came from the team of a Democrat, Sen. Barack Obama.

The candidate himself wasn't on the bill. But about 50 people showed up to talk about the war, poverty and trying to seize back the moral mantle some in the GOP claim. The night also featured an Obama video and a campaign altar call _ an invitation to become a "congregation contact" and rally support for the candidate. [Link: www.qctimes.com...]

12 Armigerous  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:54:18am

Well,I guess I 'should have known better' than to expect CNN to defend freedom of press/speech/expression by anyone except their own mediocre employees

13 Rogue198  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:15am

Hey Charles,

OT, but I was wondering if Randi Rhodes' mugging in NYC and the moonbats' Pavlovian blaming of the "right wing conspiracy" deserved its own thread.

14 akforty777  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:22am

I like this guy he's got some serious rocks. Hes a better nobel prize candidate than uncle Al.

15 Captain Morgan  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:24am

This is what's more interesting to me:

Al Qaeda has put a $100,000 price on his head and offered an extra $50,000 for anyone who murders him by slitting his throat after the eccentric artist and sculptor drew a cartoon depicting the Prophet Mohammed as a dog.

But what CNN doesn't tell you is that this is Al Qaeda in Iraq. Is a mainstream news organization admitting that AQI has something to do with the larger Al Qaeda organization?

16 mama winger  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:27am

re: #11 storagemanager

Tax -wise, a church cannot take a stand for any particular candidate, or they are in danger of losing their tax-exempt status. Someone needs to take a look at this church.

17 wargammer2005  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:29am

these are the people that admitted they did not cover what saddam was doing to his people because they were afraid.

Ernie Pyle would spit on you.

18 Old Tanker  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:55:54am

Is it just me or does it look like this "cartoon" was drawn by a grade schooler? This guy doesn't actually get paid for this does he?

19 livefreeor die  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:56:17am

re: #10 mama winger

keep your head down.

don't make eye contact.

don't speak until you are spoken to.

do not bring up unpopular subjects.

do not voice your objections.

do not resist.

march , march , march ...

Sadly, this sounds just like what many abused women resort to to get through their daily lives. But don't expect the MSM to notice the parallels.

20 karmic_inquisitor  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:56:25am

re: #15 Captain Morgan

It seems they are saying that.

21 new2thezoo  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:56:42am

As a Christian, I too, am offended by his 'art'. .. sketching Christ as a pedophile and sexual pervert... is despicable and makes me sick. So I'm not going to defend his 'free speech'. But I'm not going to murder anyone or behead them as a result of my offense.
We pray for our enemies... we don't kill them. That's the difference.

22 EC Marm  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:56:57am
Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005, when a cartoonist’s depictions of the prophet sparked violent protests in the Muslim world and prompted death threats against that cartoonist’s life.


Yes, one could make that argument if they chose to be on the jihadist's side and reward them for their righteous *spit* outrage over some cartoons.

23 easy  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:57:55am
Craven CNN Moment of the Day

It's early yet.

24 FrogMarch  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:58:26am

CNN and their left-wing staff make me sick. Anderson Cooper reminds me of a younger slicker Bill Clinton. gag me.

25 ShumBaayaMyLord  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:58:35am

"Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what" is reasonably well established -- that it was Muhammad who was the pedophile, rather than Jesus.

26 screaming_eagle  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:58:46am

F*ck CNN.

Don't forget they are the ones who showed the insurgent sniper shooting at our troops.

27 garycooper  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:59:08am

SNL's been doing a bit lately, where they discuss a news-item, something stupid like CNN's latest gaffe, and then say, "Really?"

I find myself saying "Really?" way too much, now. Damn these catchy catch-phrases!

28 mama winger  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:59:11am

re: #19 livefreeor die

re: #10 mama winger

keep your head down.

don't make eye contact.

don't speak until you are spoken to.

do not bring up unpopular subjects.

do not voice your objections.

do not resist.

march , march , march ...

Sadly, this sounds just like what many abused women resort to to get through their daily lives. But don't expect the MSM to notice the parallels.

That is EXACTLY the image I had in my mind when I wrote this post. Abused women. Islam is the religion of the abuser.

29 Son Of The Godfather  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:59:11am

Yes, he should have known better...

CNN: "The sword of Allah is swift and merciless."
Cult Leader: "So sayeth CNN"
Cult: "so sayeth we all."

30 Reluctant Democrat  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:59:43am

The Swedish police fined the Muslim woman who is stalking him...you mean intent to murder is equivalent to a traffic ticket?!

31 wahabicorridor  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 7:59:50am
When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims,

.

That wasn't the end of the interviewer's comment. She completed it with "After all, Muslims take their religion very seriously."

As tho' in order to be taken seriously, people of other faiths have to murder in the name of said faith.

32 BrianA  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:00:02am
Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005

CNN has obviouly gotten the message and submitted.

33 Rednek  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:00:41am

Maybe death threats are the way to get a symapthetic hearing on CNN.

Movie reviews, zoning ordinences, baseball draft picks, Britney Spears...It can work with any issue. Just let fly a few hyperbolic death threats and CNN will paint your adversary as being unreasonable and insensitive.

34 opnion  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:00:45am

They don't even realise what they sound like. Insults are OK unless they are against murderous thugs?

35 garycooper  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:00:59am

re: #25 ShumBaayaMyLord

"Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what" is reasonably well established -- that it was Muhammad who was the pedophile, rather than Jesus.

Excellent point, that. I'm an agnostic, myself, but I like to keep the legends straight in my own mind.

36 livefreeor die  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:01:28am

re: #31 wahabicorridor

When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims,

.

That wasn't the end of the interviewer's comment. She completed it with "After all, Muslims take their religion very seriously."

As tho' in order to be taken seriously, people of other faiths have to murder in the name of said faith.

Sorry, CNN. I take my religion very seriously. Which is why I don't go around threatening to kill people who insult it.

37 Pythagoras  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:01:35am

Charles, I think you're on to something with your point about the Christians not making any threats. Isn't that exactly why Vilks didn't know better? Isn't the aberrant passiveness of all the non-Muslim religions really the problem?

38 ORD neighbor  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:01:46am

In some ways, this is blaming the victim.

39 Infidel Pride  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:02:00am

I agree; rather than talking to those craven bunch of dhimmies at CNN, Vilks should have spent his time drawing another cartoon of the Pedo Prophet. Vilks should really have known better!

40 JollyJew  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:05:02am
41 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:07:51am
42 J'accuzzi  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:08:43am

It's ass-kissing mode all the way. Anything for that bin laden interview!

43 ORD neighbor  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:09:12am

Speaking of CNN, looks like they are getting canceled on Israeli HOT cable. See here for details. Interesting. Small but interesting.

44 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:10:46am
45 granitebill  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:15:13am

"Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005"

the same argument of this...

Sheik Taj al-Din al-Hilali, the Mufti of Australia who compared unveiled women to “uncovered meat” (therefore deserving of rape)

CNN is outright preaching the ravings of a medieval sheik as defense.

I just can't stomach to watch CNN of MSN anymore.
-granite

46 Da Coyote  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:15:28am

CNN:

Insulting Christians: good
Insulting Jews: good
Insulting conservatives: good
Insulting mom and dad families: good
Insulting home schooling: good
Insulting Musnuts: bad

In my ill-considered hell on earth imaginary world, I'd love to see the CNN wackos under sharia "law". Snark!

47 boatguy  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:18:19am

"I should have known better with a girl like you"
Why should we have to walk on eggshells around these fugitives from society? Could it be because we never stepped on them in the past?
Where should the line be drawn? Sooner or later we as a society must say 'enough' and mean it. I don't think Hillary and Obama are the answer, but how do we inform our elected officials that strength will be supported with votes?
Rudy could go a long way with traditional Conservatives if he would take a stronger stance on the war on "holding society for ransom" as well as the GWOT that ignores the subjugation of our lifestyle as we know it.
Instead of worrying about second marriages and his personal stance on gay marriage and abortion , a strong signal of support for his stance on Islamic dominance of the American way of life might provide a rallying point for the right.

48 Frank Veracity  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:26:19am

Just some random thoughts from an overactive mind:

The flags of muslim countries all have Allah written on them.

Flag burning is legal in the good old USA.

The loony tunes brigade says that burning flags is a valid form of "freedom of expression"

Let's protest the way islam treats women and burn the flags of a few selected muslim countries. Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia come to mind.

On another subject, I saw a post somewhere about a protest in Berkley over the weekend (what a surprise). After the protest some Code Pinkies went to the Marine Officer Recruiting Office in Berkley and chalked a few messages on the sidewalk. One message said something like "Stop Killing Babies". My instant reaction was to think that the message was incomplete. It should have included a few more words: "Stop Abortion Now"

49 eff plus  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:33:20am

Notice CNN spells 'Prophet' with a capital 'P.' Is that objective? No. Does CNN think Muhammad actually had clairvoyant powers? If this was an article about the actual historical figure Jesus Christ, would they have referred to him as 'the Savior Jesus Christ?' Of course not.

CNN = dhimmi disgrace.

50 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:36:46am

CNN: where disparaging the boot is a bootable offense.

51 chinesearithmetic  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:38:38am

The day's still young. Flop to it, CNN!

52 cosmo  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:43:20am

re: #11 storagemanager

It's not. This violates the separation clause doesn't it? At least this: these churches may/should lose their non-profit tax-exempt status.

53 samhein  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:43:55am

re: #8 Opinionated

We are coming to think of Islam as we do of sharks.

They are dangerous. If they are spotted, it's best to get out of the water. Confronting them is for daredevils and fools. Better to run away.

Actually, we can't compare them to sharks. The viciousness of a shark is very misunderstood. The viciousness of islam is not.

Many times, when a shark attacks, they believe they are going after food. When islam attacks, they know they are going after innocent people.

Sharks don't set out to prey on humans. islam does.

54 GeoffP  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:49:59am

"Should have known better"

This is the kind of mind-conditioning that is being steadily exerted against religious criticism, or at least one kind. Vilks should be getting the bloody Nobel, not some Syrian sycophant.

55 toadbelly  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:55:13am

it irks me that we have to defend this scumbag, those pictures of Jesus as a pedophile are revolting and vile and were done for the sole purpose of exaggerating his ignoble "notoriety", probably the same reason he did the mohammad pictures. Besides being a hack (i could sketch that crap) he's a self-promoting whore. Despite the death threats he makes sure his face, his house and how he sneaks in is on CNN for everyone to see (i happened to see the spot).

In the back of my head I'm thinking, I almost want the jihadi's to get this guy. But then, I remember I'm an American and have to sit back and take his lame insults and defend his stupid pictures.

Well, i'll defend his right to offend me and muslims, but i'm not going to get off the couch and make a fuss about it.

56 Catttt  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:09:00am

CNN could set up a school instructing people how to kiss terrorist rear end. They're the experts.

/

57 Loki_1972  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:11:33am

say

When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims,

Humph. There's a reason CNN and the like never say those things whenever an "artist" crafts a Dung Mary or dunks a crucifix in urine...

Poor Theo, it was his own damn fault that he was nearly decapitated, right CNN? You worthless, spineless husks.

58 tempest67  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:16:58am

... what would be great is if we could ALL draw cartoons or make some sort of images of Mohammed, and display them in some fashion -- as an act of solidarity. kind of an "I am Spartacus!" moment. :-)

59 Hard Right  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:17:10am

He should have known it's only ok to insuly Christians! Idiot.

Sarc/

60 Hard Right  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:17:22am

re: #59 Hard Right

He should have known it's only ok to insult Christians! Idiot.

Sarc/

61 Cygnus  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:19:03am

re: #11 storagemanager

I don't think this is legal...they should not be allowed to get away with it...

The invitation appeared one Sunday in Joanna Chase's church bulletin: Come to a "faith forum" and join a conversation about the intersection of religion and politics.Living in New Hampshire, Chase is accustomed to pitches from presidential hopefuls, especially those focusing on values-voting Republicans. But this one came from the team of a Democrat, Sen. Barack Obama.

The candidate himself wasn't on the bill. But about 50 people showed up to talk about the war, poverty and trying to seize back the moral mantle some in the GOP claim. The night also featured an Obama video and a campaign altar call _ an invitation to become a "congregation contact" and rally support for the candidate. [Link: www.qctimes.com...]

"Now, with every head bowed and every eye closed, if you want to accept Obama as your personal presidental candidate, just raise your hand. I see that hand in the back - thank you - and that hand on the left - thank you - . Now repeat the following prayer after me: God, I know that I'm a left-wing liberal and I need Obama as my president. I believe that he will lead the country out of the Iraq quagmire. I now accept him as my personal candidate and will work for his election. I pray this in the name of Reid, amen.'

62 madisonsfriend  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:33:55am

Absolutely- just like we should know better than to have democracy, human rights, education for all and the right to be a religion other than ROPMA. We need to convert, stop educating women, and turn our country over to CAIR.

63 Seraphym  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:46:50am

re: #53 samhein

re: #8 Opinionated


We are coming to think of Islam as we do of sharks.

They are dangerous. If they are spotted, it's best to get out of the water. Confronting them is for daredevils and fools. Better to run away.


Actually, we can't compare them to sharks. The viciousness of a shark is very misunderstood. The viciousness of islam is not.

Many times, when a shark attacks, they believe they are going after food. When islam attacks, they know they are going after innocent people.

Sharks don't set out to prey on humans. islam does.

In any case, there's an excellent solution for natural or Islamic sharks:

The Bang Stick

64 Suspiria  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:47:42am

Sickening and absurd to suggest that the world should be expected to tip-toe on eggshells to avoid raising the hair-trigger ire of a cult of savages.

Personally, I think every effort should be made to champion the virtue of freedom of expression, and the notion that a pre-requisite to living in a modern civilization is the dual ability to be deeply offended by someone else's words, and behaving in a civilized fashion.

Obviously, islamists aren't capable of this. Which is why they should consistently be goaded by simple, unabashed exercise of our cherished freedom. It lets the rest of the world see the savages acting like, well... savages.

65 Lynn  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 9:51:00am

"Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005, when a cartoonist's depictions of the prophet sparked violent protests in the Muslim world and prompted death threats against that cartoonist's life."
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>

Mmrraaalph, Retch . . . sputtering noises.

Okay, I think I feel better now.

66 Hard Right  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:04:07am

re: #65 Lynn

"Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005, when a cartoonist's depictions of the prophet sparked violent protests in the Muslim world and prompted death threats against that cartoonist's life."
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g t;>>>>>>>>>>>

Mmrraaalph, Retch . . . sputtering noises.

Okay, I think I feel better now.

Sometimes I wonder if we should act like the Muslims when insulted by the left. After all, the MSM are cowards as the muslims have shown.

Sarc about being violent

67 Seraphym  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:08:48am

From the article:

"One Swedish Muslim woman who lives just an hour-and-a-half drive from Vilks said she hopes to make good on the al Qaeda threat and slaughter Vilks like a lamb.

I can do this in the name of Allah, and I will not fail. I could slaughter him in the name of Allah," says the woman who identified herself only as Amatullah.

She adds, 'If I get the opportunity.'

Dressed in a black burqa from head to toe and uttering death threat after death threat, the woman -- a wife and mother -- says she is defending her religion and her prophet if she manages to kill Vilks.

Amatullah has already been fined for issuing death threats. Still, she claims she will never stop taunting him."

Now, isn't this a crime? This woman has made death threats in the past, and is publicly claiming that she will try to kill Vilks at her first opportunity... yet she just gets fined? Would Vilks be defensible under law if he was walking down the street, saw this woman approaching him, and simply shot her dead once she got too close? She has publicly declared her intent to kill him... that's a clear and believable threat to his life.

Furthermore, if CNN gets information of a crime, a murder in planning, don't they have to report that plan to the authorities?

Or are people of a cult well-known for religiously-motivated murder allowed to go around publicly claiming that they're going to kill someone as soon as they get the opportunity, and nobody can do anything until they actually try?!?

Hence, I practice at the 500-yd range and the indoor scenario shoot whenever I can. There's people who know something of defending themselves, and there's victims. Let's hope Vilks is in the former group.

68 allahakchew  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:12:33am

CNN is just giving the islamic extremists more reason to go after Vilks.

( I know they don't need a reason, but..)

CNN wants a scoop...

69 B_Dix  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:18:31am

Is it too late to start seething and whining and torching buildings over Andres Serrano's infamous work of "art" labeled "Piss Christ" ? (Sigh... I guess it is.) Besides, the Christian God isn't as thin-skinned as poor delicate Allah. And Jesus was strong enough to die on the cross for our sakes (compared to Mohammed who wanted OTHERS to die so their property could be seized for HIS sake).

Why do the Muslims revere beings who are so weak and helpless that their followers have to use threats and violence to bolster their "dignity"? If the mere hint of a cartoon injures Allah or Mohammed, what does that say about them? (Hint: antonyms to Great, Grand, Mighty, Glorious, All-Powerful, Everlasting... )

Can we start a Friday afternoon Mock-a-thon so that when the seethers come out of their mosques all fired up after their imams' rabid speechifying, they're met with a large group of laughers carrying signs like "Behead those who think Allah requires human sacrifice" or "Is Mohammed so feeble he can't take a joke" or even "Respect for religion is not gained by the sword".

PS- buzzszwmonkey #41 - Great revision of that Beatles song !

70 IowaInfidel  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:22:07am

CNN agrees: terrorism works!

71 brent  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:30:27am
Still one could argue Vilks should have known better because of what happened in Denmark in 2005,

CNN then went on to a very funny joke about what a thousand abused women all have in comment (hint, it has to do with listening). The victim always has it coming in some way, right CNN?

I wish any of this shocked me, but it just doesn't any more. I'm just surprised (a little) that the article didn't say that expression after allah (his name be praised, something about peas, whatever).

72 samhein  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:42:16am

re: #63 Seraphym


In any case, there's an excellent solution for natural or Islamic sharks:

The Bang Stick

There ya go. But I'm guessing you'll need it more on one type of shark than the other...

73 NY Nana  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:59:31am

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

A superb addition to the buzzsawmonkey book of poetry and humor...with the extra line added!

Can I have your autograph?

re: #41 buzzsawmonkey

PIMF: extra "Oh, oh, I-I-I-I-I-I-I-I" line in the song above.

74 Math Guique  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 11:39:56am

re: #38 ORD neighbor

In some ways, this is blaming the victim.

Is there some way in which it's not blaming the victim?

75 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 11:44:23am
76 brakes  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:14:59pm

Why is it I wanted to bitch slap the woman doing the interview for CNN? And as for that lumbering black garbage sack Nazgul who wants to slit Lars' throat - well I better not say.

And why does the media call President Bush "Bush" and this man Vilks, and use the term Mister for terrorists?

Not in a good mood.

77 Paul Green  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:35:36pm

CNN, of course, did “know better” during the Danish cartoon jihad. As I wrote in the Feb. 12, 2006 East Valley Tribune (Mesa, Ariz.), “The response by the American news media to this fundamental challenge has been anything but encouraging. CNN, in every story covering it, has included the line, ‘CNN has chosen not to show the cartoons out of respect for Islam.’ The network showed no such respect for Christianity on March 27, 2000, however, when it showed British artist Chris Ofili’s painting “The Holy Virgin Mary,” which incorporated elephant dung and images of female genitalia, in a story about a Brooklyn museum’s dispute with new York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani. Giuliani had complained that the artwork desecrated a figure sacred to millions of Catholics.”

Yes, Vilks should have been intimidated into self-censorship, just as the oh-so-principled CNN was. It was just this kind of thing that prompted my resignation from my MSM job during the Motoon affair. I’ve often wondered if I was right to do so. Incidents such as this indicate that I was.

78 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:39:23pm

Caliphate News Nuisance Network

79 sheik yer'mami  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:41:32pm

Caliphate News Nutters Network

There. Thats more like it.

80 wanumba  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:47:54pm

re: #55 toadbelly

it irks me that we have to defend this scumbag, those pictures of Jesus as a pedophile are revolting and vile and were done for the sole purpose of exaggerating his ignoble "notoriety", probably the same reason he did the mohammad pictures. Besides being a hack (i could sketch that crap) he's a self-promoting whore. Despite the death threats he makes sure his face, his house and how he sneaks in is on CNN for everyone to see (i happened to see the spot).


Was going to complain, but you summed it up. This is a posturing exhibitionist who makes up for his lack of artistic ability by "shocka" sleaze tactics. It's all about "him," not anything about being "brave."

81 doubledip  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:52:18pm

re: #77 Paul Green

You beat me to it. A couple more CNN links showing how they didn't "know better" re: Ofili's art...

[Link: www.cnn.com...]
[Link: archives.cnn.com...]

Kudos to you for standing up for your principles.

82 Diamond Bullet  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 12:54:40pm

What I guess I don't understand is that CNN's (and many liberals') inherent point seems to be that we have a duty to avoid "forcing" Muslims to get angry and kill us, just like women have a duty to wear a tent to avoid forcing Muslims to rape them, Christians have a duty to not enter Muslim countries (however defined) to avoid forcing Muslims to kill them, etc. This is basically the "you knew I was a scorpion when you picked me up" adage - Muslims are so inherently violent and dangerous that we must forfeit all our hard-won Western rights rather than force them to wig out again.

But if that's true, then why is the left so intent on forming tolerance brigades with them?! On one hand, you're basically advocating that Muslims have some inherent tendency towards wildly disproportionate violence - and on the other at the same time we must tolerate them to appease that violence. It's like admitting a bear is a dangerous animal, and then arguing that the only way to keep it happy is to let it sleep in your children's room. It makes no sense!

83 doubledip  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 1:10:52pm

Another CNN link off a Fortune article hailing the achievements of "South Park", notorious of course for its lampoons of Christianity. Interestingly, they didn't mind leaving the "F" bomb in the article, either. Among the things the article reports on "How to keep a comic edge"...

4. Always push the boundaries of taste. "It's a total charge for us to say, 'Look what we got on TV. That's awesome!' "

Except, of course, when it comes to Islam, where one should "know better".

84 ErkWit  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 1:15:39pm

One thing I'll never understand about these "drawings of blasphemy" is how do they decide a drawing is actually depicting Mohamed? I don't know about you but the roundabout dogs don't look human to me. If they're not human, how can it actually be depicting Mohamed? Can any drawing of a man with a beard and turban blaspheme Mohamed? Did Mohamed actually have a bomb where his brain should have been? If I draw a stick figure human copulating with a stick figure dog and write "Mohamed" over the human's head, does it magically become blasphemy? What about a chair copulating with a table while the stove watches?

They have a law against images of Mohamed. Any logical person would view the drawings and say, "that's not Mohamed, why should I care?" The fact that Muslims unblinkingly believe and INFIDEL when he/she claims a picture is Mohamed is laughable. I also wonder if they allow people named Mohamed to have their picture taken or their portrait drawn? I mean, surely a picture of a realistic human with "Mohamed" clearly indicated should be blasphemy, punishable by death!

85 restitutor orbis  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 1:27:18pm
Vilks, a self-described atheist, points out he’s an equal opportunity offender who in the past sketched a depiction of Jesus as a pedophile.

I understand freedom of speech, and the significance of keeping the headchoppers at bay, but why oh why do those we defend have to be so repugnant?

86 Captain Sensible  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 3:32:51pm

re: #85 restitutor orbis

I understand freedom of speech

It seems however that the Left, CNN and the Muslims don't understand the concept of freedom of speech, except when you agree with their point of view.

I am waiting for the day when the Left suddenly looks at the hate speech of the Muslims and realizes that it does not reflect their own thoughts. That is the day when blood will flow as the Muslims will realize that they have lost their main allies and the Left will suddenly understand that they have been lied to. Nothing is as evil and dangerous as the Left when they think they are under attack, just look at the purges of the Soviets and Maoists when they felt threatened.

87 solus  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 3:47:17pm

We don't have CNN in the UK, but I'm in Tel Aviv at the mo and it's on the box (unlike BBC news which seems to have been thankfully dropped since my last trip).

Irregardless of political bias I am astonished at how lightweight, empty and banal it is. Fox/Sky is clearly biased, as is UK Channel 4 news in the opposite direction, but they are both often riveting and engaging. They are 'news'. I don't see how CNN can be described thus. I also had the misfortune of watching that buffoon Amanpour's shocking propaganda that riled you guys the other week. Mindboggling stuff.

It is the televisual equivalent of the Herald Tribune. I bought that the other day (oh why isn't there an international version of the Times for me to read whilst over here?!?!). On page 1 was a story about how a guy is planning to break ramadan by eating sweets. On the front page. Yes frontpage news apparently.

Now even my biased, cynical heart could understand a story like that on the back pages, or society and culture section. It seems CAIR and their happy dhimmi slaves have a well scripted propaganda effort underfoot in America.

Thank God there are so many of you fighting back...

88 Goosio  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 5:07:43pm
When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims,

I found 9/11 a pretty arrogant and insulting way to engage the West. In fact, just about everything Muslims do to engage the West these days is arrogant and insulting. It all seems to hinge upon the West making concessions under the pretext of "better understanding between our cultures." Never do our Muslim counterparts offer to reciprocate in that spirit. They possess not a shred of introspection, self-criticism or sense of fair play. They're not interested in negotiation, only coercion.

Screw em all. I wish there'd been 10,000 cartoons.

89 wanumba  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:18:21pm

re: #87 solus
Watching the media report news is about the same as getting one's vital energy sucked out by Stargate Atlantis Wraiths. Only, instead of years of physical vitality, it's brain cells depleted. Get more ignorant the longer one watches.
Have no idea HOW they manage this, but they do. Has something about mush filler, gossip, and news built around press releases or corporate advertizing needs. (TIME doing a cover story on the SPORTS ILLUSTRATED swimsuit models, for example - just cross-marketing).

90 Infidel Pride  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 8:51:09pm

When it’s suggested that might prove an arrogant — if not insulting — way to engage Muslims, he is unrelenting, even defiant.


“No one actually loves the truth, but someone has to say it,” he says.

I think that about sums up the entire exchange.

91 Mr Krabs  Tue, Oct 16, 2007 10:31:43pm

Is the nature of the threat just too subtle for most people? I don't get it.

[Link: bp3.blogger.com...]

92 SunCat  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:52:13am

If Vilks wants to sketch a depiction of Jesus as a pedophile he should have freedom to do so--not because it is a good or appropriate thing to do (it is not) but because the freedom is good and appropriate.

Let's be honest, I do not like Jerry Falwell or his ilk but they would never do such a thing as cut someone's head off for a Jesus joke.

I would respect leftists more if they would just admit that they are ruled by fear not principle.


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