But, but, but Condi said now's the time to give them a state!

Why would anyone need guns when ruled by such a peace-loving Fatah?

/spit

Israel is so cruel. People are selling their cars now... don't they realize what kind of suffering they are causing by their security!

Does Jimmy Carter know about this?

at least they are buying American made!

/sarc

After all, mass murder is their main product.

Guns, not butter.

So? Aren't you right-wing gun nuts supposed to approve of this sort of thing?
/LLL mode off

Nothing new here. Different day, different dinaro.

Maybe these guns are not all aimed at Israelis.

As I have been given to understand it for many years now, the "palestinians" are beyond poverty stricken, starving, without basic services like health care and clean drinking water, completely and entirely dependent on charity, handouts and foreign aid.

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

/Who needs a job when you've got an AK-47?

re: #9 venezuela lover

Ammo sold separately. No returns and no right of returns either.

re: #10 galloping granny

As I have been given to understand it for many years now, the "palestinians" are beyond poverty stricken, starving, without basic services like health care and clean drinking water, completely and entirely dependent on charity, handouts and foreign aid.

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

American taxes?

Dang. Did I miss an opportunity for a contract, going long?

re: #2 wvobiwan

But, but, but Condi said now's the time to give them a state!

Why would anyone need guns when ruled by such a peace-loving Fatah?

/spit

That would be the Secretary of State carring out President Bush's policies.

The buck stops at the President. After all, he is the decider. If he doesn't like what Ms. Rice is doing, he could direct her to stop, or replace her.

But the simple answer is...she is doing what the President wants.

re: #7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

So? Aren't you right-wing gun nuts supposed to approve of this sort of thing?
/LLL mode off

Only if the guns are reasonably priced, or free. How can the Arab squatters in Israel (note that I didn't call them Palestinians) afford to shoot Israelis at these prices?

It is alarming, however, how much cheaper the AK47s are...let's extend NAFTA to the middle east!

Gun control nut Chuckie Schumer was unavailable for comment.

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

re: #10 galloping granny

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

The UN, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

Let's add CAIR and a whole slew of American "peace" oganizations.

And I might add:

Your Tax Dollars At Work.

Two years ago, an M16 automatic rifle could fetch $5,400 or more in the Palestinian West Bank. Now buyers at Hebron’s clandestine gun market are asked to pay more than double.

Outrageous! Those poor Palestinians! Won't someone please think of the children. Oh, wait.

re: #16 spam spam spam spam

yeah, but the state department has been doing its own things for a long time, too many commie lovers there

Condi says it's time to establish another state in which honor killings are tolerated and a rape victim must present four witnesses.

re: #10 galloping granny

Dubia

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

re: #10 galloping granny

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

The UN, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

Don't forget Shimon "Fatah is our friend" Peres

Condileeza Rice: worst Secretary of State since Madeleine Al-dumb.

re: #16 spam spam spam spam

But the simple answer is...she is doing what the President wants.

Maybe it's just a Kabuki show. You know, the Israelis offer peace, and most of their country, but no right-of-return, the Arabs/Palis walk out, seethe, have an intifada...etc. You know the rest.

They manufacture no goods, produce no valueable services and created a slum to live in. But they can pop more than $1,000 for an M16?

Eight bucks a bullet, and still they are firing them in the air at weddings.

(not to mention the continued rage at the Jews who dare breathe just across the fence.)

I wonder how many bullet's worth of $ it would take to upgrade, oh say, a sewage system?

The Palis remind me of some of the real Rednecks we have around here, they can't afford food or clothes for their kids, but they always find money for smokes, beer, and atv's. Got to keep your priorities straight.

West Bank?

Never heard of it?

Does it have many cash machines?

Now is the time to buy beachfront property in Gaza.

Or may be we should wait a bit...doesn't seem like they have hit rock bottom yet.

I say give them a state, and watch how long it takes for them to assasinate every one over their leaders... I'm sure someone can make a drinking game out of it!

Two years ago, an M16 automatic rifle could fetch $5,400 or more in the Palestinian West Bank. Now buyers at Hebron’s clandestine gun market are asked to pay more than double.

This is the work of the invisible hand of supply and demand economics. Demand is high, so prices go up. If supply is also low, then prices would go up that much more. Sounds like eeevil infidel Western capitalism to me, and that would be hara'am. But since the infidel economics in this case is working towards killing infidels, which is halal, that makes it okay. allah ackbar, infidels!

while buoyant demand and supply bottlenecks due to tighter security have inflated prices.

So both increased demand and decreased supply.

re: #16 spam spam spam spam

re: #2 wvobiwan

But, but, but Condi said now's the time to give them a state!

Why would anyone need guns when ruled by such a peace-loving Fatah?

/spit

That would be the Secretary of State carring out President Bush's policies.

The buck stops at the President. After all, he is the decider. If he doesn't like what Ms. Rice is doing, he could direct her to stop, or replace her.

But the simple answer is...she is doing what the President wants.

Duh, thanks for the lesson in American governance. Of course it's Bush's mideast policies. Everybody supposedly wants peace in the middle east, but no one has the nuts to remove the main roadblock - arab/muslim terrorists of Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, and Fatah.

"But ordinary West Bankers, too, are..." Who are they referring to here? Any normal person would've done whatever it took to get out of that area long ago. Given the amount of political support the various terrorist groups (masquerading as political parties) get, it seems like a classic case of reaping what you sow.

they are so blood thirsty. they will be turning on each other too, w/ all those guns.

West Bank Goes on Gun-Buying Spree

You can beat your wife with a stick, but you need guns to shoot Jewish children as their mom reads them a bedtime story.

/PaliNazi folk wisdom

re: #28 ibrodsky

Condileeza Rice: worst Secretary of State since Madeleine Al-dumb.

Oh I don't know, I think Powell " I'll take care of Turkey and make sure they let the 4th ID attack from the north" is on that list!

If there was an enterprising soul among the Palis, they'd start manufacturing their own!

STEP 1: Give them a state
STEP 2: Declare war against same
STEP 3: Help the defeated resettled in Arabia

Heh heh heh. They're paying $8 for a "bullet", when what they need to make an AK work as intended is a "cartridge", sometimes called a "round", or even "ammunition". The bullet, while important, is just the pointy bit at the end. It provides the "m" in "F=ma". No powder, no primer, no case...no "a", and no "F".

I guess you can throw the bullets, but aren't stones cheaper and more effective?

Must be a plot by the Neocons and Jooos to fool them all and take their money. Rove, you magnificent bastard!

OldLineTexan
/haven't read a reporter yet who had a clue about firearms

US-led peace negotiations = more bloodshed, always and everywhere!

Business opportunities abound. Israeli blood - come and get it. Compliments E Olmert.

This might be a stupid question, but being the ignorant sob that I am. It is my daughters 18th birthday, how much would it cost me to buy a m16 here? Just curious.

re: #48 1389

US-led peace negotiations = more bloodshed, always and everywhere!

I disagree with that statement. We negotiated peace with the Germans and Japanese after WW2 quite effectively.

Bloodshed in the Koreas is way down after 1953, as well. Not that that implies success, but we are focusing on bloodshed.

OldLineTexan

re: #48 1389

Actually... Peace negotiations with blood thisty troglodites=bloodshed...

When are we going to learn that tactical nukes are our friends? I'd pay extra to have the new panes of glass in my house made in the West Bank Glass Factory.

/end ugly mean thoughts

I don't buy that for a second. $8 a round is BS - not even individual .50 rounds for civilians go for that much here. The world is awash in AKs and ammo for them.

I don't believe the M16 price either, since we bought a bunch for them a few years ago, to say nothing of Lebanon immediately to the north. The price is probably what you'd pay to buy one from an Israeli who's playing both sides of the field.

On the other hand, the West Bank is a little different than Gaza, and guns being expensive in the West Bank does not mean the Phallastinians are having a hard time getting guns, as any footage from Gaza will tell you. Please note that they're still paying less than we would for a transferable M16 here!

re: #50 Nevergiveup

military grade is illegal, I believe.
You would have to buy a modified one.
You could probably get something for under $2000 that would be almost the same

Hey, I got it! Let's all start a massive buying frenzy here on all the arms and ammo they want, and drive the price sky-high, way beyond what they can already pay. I know it's already harder to get .762 (AK-47) rounds here and the price has jumped quite a bit.

I'm just trying to help. Isn't this sortof how Reagan defeated the soviet union in the arms race anyway?

re: #50 Nevergiveup

This might be a stupid question, but being the ignorant sob that I am. It is my daughters 18th birthday, how much would it cost me to buy a m16 here? Just curious.

An M-16 is a regulated weapon in its designed state for all but LEOs and military (full-auto capable or burst-capable). As such, for a lowly plebian, there is a special license needed, a boatload of additional laws and hoops, and a limited availability due to some other laws. Very arcane, and I will not attempt an answer here.

An AR-15 is a semi-automatic version, and a good-quality "basic" version like a Bushmaster (excellent quality) will run you in the $800 neighborhood where I live, assuming you are buying legally.

OldLineTexan
/but as Chuckie Schumer and Feinstein "know", they are only like 50 bucks from any local teenager on a corner

re: #50 Nevergiveup

This might be a stupid question, but being the ignorant sob that I am. It is my daughters 18th birthday, how much would it cost me to buy a m16 here? Just curious.

Somewhere in the neighborhood of $15,000, plus the price and paperwork to get the license.

If you mean a semi-auto AR-15, price would be anywhere from 700-1400 dollars or more, depending on make. Rock River Arms' "Standard A2" would run you around 900, for example.

Isreallycool has a photo of one of these gun dealers.

Looks just like a terrorist to me - complete with the face covered and camo.

Then again, it looks just like Hamas or Fatah thugs.

re: #10 galloping granny

As I have been given to understand it for many years now, the "palestinians" are beyond poverty stricken, starving, without basic services like health care and clean drinking water, completely and entirely dependent on charity, handouts and foreign aid.

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

Norway.

re: #57 Pawn of the Oppressor

15k for a M16? No way, I can get a M2 Browning .50 heavy, new out of the box right down the road for 10K and $1 per round.

But ordinary West Bankers, too, are taking no risks. “I don’t feel safe anymore,” said 28-year-old Abo Abdo, who sold his car this month to buy a rifle to protect his wife and two children. “Everyone is buying guns.”

Who are they afraid of? Once again the question not asked.

re: #62 Just_A_Grunt

Very astute observation. My guess, and most likely yours as well would be Hamas. I wonder who the MSM thinks they are afraid of?

Charles,
This time I think you've got it backwards. The prices are so high because the supply is so short. The cordon may have finally tightened down enough to make a difference. How many Palestinian weddings we be celebrated by the obligatory spray of bullets into the air at $8 each?

Maureen Dowd tells you why you should support Giuliani.

But Rudy seems out of the Republican mainstream on even giving lip-service to Palestinian aspirations. He has no patience for buttering up the Arabs, or the Republican men’s club attitude represented by Saudi-loving Bush senior and James Baker that has always favored a more “even-handed” policy in the Middle East.

[Link: www.nytimes.com...]

re: #23 wargammer2005

re: #16 spam spam spam spam

yeah, but the state department has been doing its own things for a long time, too many commie lovers there

So the President is, what, too weak to replace of Sec. Rice?

If so, then things are worse than I thought.

No, she's doing as directed.

re: #65 Opinionated

Contrast that with Bush, who this morning in a press conference said that the 'Palestinians' had waited too long for promises to be kept.

How about Israel, Mr President? How about the promises to Israel, starting in 1988, going through Oslo, Wye, and all the other BS agreements, that terrorism would end.

Hey..so what's the problem? According to Ms. Condi,

"The issues of proliferation do not affect the Palestinian-Israeli peace efforts we are making,"

Ain't life grand? We, See No Proliferation, Hear No Proliferation and Speak No Proliferation - it says so in the Supreme Fubar's Qur'an.

Ask Pootie. Or anyone at State.

re: #39 wvobiwan

re: #16 spam spam spam spam

re: #2 wvobiwan

But, but, but Condi said now's the time to give them a state!

Why would anyone need guns when ruled by such a peace-loving Fatah?

/spit

That would be the Secretary of State carring out President Bush's policies.

The buck stops at the President. After all, he is the decider. If he doesn't like what Ms. Rice is doing, he could direct her to stop, or replace her.

But the simple answer is...she is doing what the President wants.

Duh, thanks for the lesson in American governance. Of course it's Bush's mideast policies. Everybody supposedly wants peace in the middle east, but no one has the nuts to remove the main roadblock - arab/muslim terrorists of Hamas, Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, and Fatah.

It may be "duh" to you and me, but there are MANY readers/posters here that think there's some "disconnect" between the Official Administration Policies and what Secretary Ricy says & does. As if she's out acting on her own.

re: #62 Just_A_Grunt

The man with the guitar case?

re: #61 BenZacharia

re: #57 Pawn of the Oppressor

15k for a M16? No way, I can get a M2 Browning .50 heavy, new out of the box right down the road for 10K and $1 per round.

He asked about buying an M16. Ass-u-me'ing he and his daughter aren't members of the same Police Department, then it's a question of demand vs. permanently capped supply, in which case, the answer is "Yes way". Scroll around a bit:

Autoweapons.com

Police and military only pay a couple of grand for new-made ones from companies and SOTs, of course. The rest of us slobs have to settle for Colt LE6920s.

But ordinary West Bankers, too, are taking no risks. “I don’t feel safe anymore,” said 28-year-old Abo Abdo, who sold his car this month to buy a rifle to protect his wife and two children. “Everyone is buying guns.”

But how can it be, that it's so dangerous to live there? I thought that the big danger to Muslims was infidels, Americans and Israelis in particular. They seem to be most worried about other members of the Religion of Peace(tm)! Oh dear, I'm so confused... (not).

Reuters reports on this like it is the Dow Jones or Nasdaq

inflated prices, Dealers, buoyant demand and supply bottlenecks.

Nice Euphemism you ASSSES.

re: #67 Opinionated

re: #65 Opinionated

Contrast that with Bush, who this morning in a press conference said that the 'Palestinians' had waited too long for promises to be kept.

How about Israel, Mr President? How about the promises to Israel, starting in 1988, going through Oslo, Wye, and all the other BS agreements, that terrorism would end.

How 'bout the promises to secure our southern border, while were at it?

President Bush is the Republicarter.

re: #9 venezuela lover

Maybe these guns are not all aimed at Israelis.

In fact, most of them are not.
Palestinians kill more Palestinians than Israelis do.
Security/defense is the cottage industry in Palestine.

re: #53 Pawn of the Oppressor

I don't buy that for a second. $8 a round is BS - not even individual .50 rounds for civilians go for that much here. The world is awash in AKs and ammo for them.

The world is awash in water. . .doesn't mean you can find it in the desert.

In the USA you can buy ammo at (almost) any Walmart or via the mail in most states. In Gaza, stuff has to be smuggled in hand-carried via laboriously dug secret tunnels, involving payoffs and bribes, explaining the increased cost.

Jenin is a pissant camp on the West Bank. Smuggling into it is much harder, hence the greater cost of ammo.

I don't believe the M16 price either, since we bought a bunch for them a few years ago, to say nothing of Lebanon immediately to the north. The price is probably what you'd pay to buy one from an Israeli who's playing both sides of the field.

Just because we purchased them, doesn't mean they are in circulation (ie tradeable on the market). They could be under lock and key in someones stash, already sold outside Gaza, or non-functional. Lebanon doesn't touch Gaza or the West Bank, and it has a proper border. Weapons there aren't going to affect prices in Gaza.

This one is rich, it the Arab bazaar one day only sale!

Abbas says, we need a deal now, or the opportunity will be gone

Sixty years of Arab-Israeli conflict, but if they don't dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s today, there will never be another chance.

If Wile E. Coyote can get all those weapons out there in the desert, then of course your wily Palestinian can as well.
I mean, the coyote not only has no money, he doesn't even have pockets to put the money in.

Didn't Warren Zevon write a tune about this: "Lawyers, gUNs, and Money?

Religion of goon and guns.

And the price goes up?

Did anybody blame the Jooozzz yet?

OT (but just a bit)

Well this should be a simple lesson in economics to all of you Lizards that have yet to provide yourselves with a means of self-defense. Buy now, buy often and (if your State allows it, mine does) buy from private individuals (no paper work to trace back to you). Also, don’t forget to purchase copious amounts of ammo as well as the equipment and supplies to reload said expended rounds. Now, I state this in the firm belief that if the hildabeast is elected and the dhimicrats retain both houses, you will see another, more stringent “assault” rifle ban, (an “assault rifle” being anything over .22 cal and capable of carrying more than 1 round.) being enacted if not an out right ban on “military style” weapons. Once this occurs, the cost of a weapon and ammo is going to skyrocket. Those of you who purchased weapons and accessories after the first “assault” rifle ban should remember how the price of “pre-ban” weapons and magazines jumped through the roof.

But this is just my opinion

Palestine- where the future Al-Qaida terrorists to be are groomed and for which the West happy shell its money through UNRRA + country-by-country donations believing it would succeed in keeping this scourge from spreading.

re: #44 skembo

If there was an enterprising soul among the Palis, they'd start manufacturing their own!

skembo -

They have a hard time training machinists at mosques. The Israelis on the other hand were producing small arms in time for the 1948 war.

-S-

# 82
Re: your advice to buy assault rifles...

But WHO am I supposed to shoot at after I get this really cool weapon?

Does anyone think the backers of any U.N. small arms treaty would vote for it if it included covering Pali's?

#82

But WHO am I supposed to shoot at after I get this really cool weapon?

Those who wish to do you and yours harm, be they domestic criminal gangs, jihadists or the lone wack-job who hears "G*D" telling him to kill the followers of whatever religion he finds offensive that day.

Now, while hoping that I never have to fire a shot in anger, I do believe in practice makes perfect and like to go varmint hunting.

I am kinda partial to coyotes and jackrabbits (open season 24/7/365, no permit or tags needed. Just a valid hunting license). Static targets are fine for learning the basics, but a fast moving target makes you a better marksman IMHO.

These are the smarter "Palestinians"... they've seen what has happened with unrestrained islamic militants running the show and don't like it... they're interpreting the teal leaves and not liking what they see...

In the northern West Bank city of Jenin, every bullet for an AK-47 rifle costs 35 Israeli shekels, or more than $8. In Hamas-controlled Gaza, an AK-47 bullet goes for 4-6 Israeli shekels, $1-1.50

Not to worry. Bush and Condi are working on getting contiguity between Gaza and the 'West Bank'.

That should equalize prices and ensure west bankers have more disposable income to spend on coming 'Nakba Day' celebrations and sweets for post suicide bombing handouts.

One thing confuses me. I thought the palestinians were starving. 8.00 a bullet! That should pay for a half dozen Humus platters or 3 Big Macs, I would think.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday time was running out for an agreement with Israel on key issues for a Middle East conference and that Palestinians would not attend at any price.

Insanity in a nutshell...

tea leaves... pimf...

re: #90 anotherindyfilmguy

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas said on Wednesday time was running out for an agreement with Israel on key issues for a Middle East conference and that Palestinians would not attend at any price.

This is actually incredible progress. Not once did Abbas threaten to 'open the gates of hell'.

Peace in our time!

re: #7 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

Actually I'm quite upset. I had planned a tour of the "gun country" and thanks to the exhorbitant prices, I must cancel. I mean, what's the point if I can only get 2-3 AKs at the open air markets?

:)

re: #87 Bubblehead II

#82

But WHO am I supposed to shoot at after I get this really cool weapon?

Those who wish to do you and yours harm, be they domestic criminal gangs, jihadists or the lone wack-job who hears "G*D" telling him to kill the followers of whatever religion he finds offensive that day.

Now, while hoping that I never have to fire a shot in anger, I do believe in practice makes perfect and like to go varmint hunting.

I am kinda partial to coyotes and jackrabbits (open season 24/7/365, no permit or tags needed. Just a valid hunting license). Static targets are fine for learning the basics, but a fast moving target makes you a better marksman IMHO.

Postal workers would agree with you ;)

re: #92 Maine's Michael

This is actually incredible progress. Not once did Abbas threaten to 'open the gates of hell'.

Peace in our time!

"To Jerusalem we march, martyrs in the millions!". *sniff* I miss that.

C'mon Donks, Gun control! Gun Control!
C'mon Ahrnold, Let's write itty-bidty letters on each shell or bullet...

This smells like the occupants of the West Bank know that Hamas is about to make another play for total control of the territory.

They might worship "Allah", but they are no dummies.

He who doesn't have a gun during these 'cleansings' (as the Hamas-ites call them), soon doesn't have a home, family or life.

This might get very, very violent, very, very quickly.

~ENT

Inflation is not a problem for these guys... they'll just have to make a couple extra stops grabbing up journalists, civilian contractors, or if there is a shortage, the relative of some person of prominent family.

They're all about the money, and they know how to get it... why worry about the price of the weaponry with which to wage jihad? Kidnapping is jihad too... it's all good.

/sarc off

Am I the only one who feels this is the best news we've had all month?

re: #13 buzzsawmonkey

re: #10 galloping granny

WHERE THE HELL ARE THEY GETTING THIS KIND OF MONEY FOR GUNS?

The UN, Iran, and Saudi Arabia.

Don't forget Israel!

re #84

re: #44 skembo

If there was an enterprising soul among the Palis, they'd start manufacturing their own!

skembo -

They have a hard time training machinists at mosques. The Israelis on the other hand were producing small arms in time for the 1948 war.

-S-
?
Doc, they have no problems training machinists. Unfortunately, they are training them on how to manufacture improvised mortars and rockets instead of rifles and pistols. Rockets and mortars can be fired from the relative safety of a civilian neighborhood (Shoot in a general direction and Scoot) while a rifle or pistol requires a bit more training to be effective AND actually requires you to enter onto the field of combat and risk capture, injury or even (preferably) death. Question:If your going to die (or send someone to die) for allah, how best to do it? With a suicide vest or a small arm? Answer: With a suicide vest. A single person can kill more people with a well placed explosive charge (as well as the physical damage to the surrounding infrastructure) than a single individual armed with a pistol or rifle (or yes, a submachinegun). Besides, until recently, there was (and still is) a healthy supply of small arms and ammo available. They just cost more. Basic law of supply and demand. Wait a minute, isn't that basic CAPITALISM and agains islamic law? Please correct me if I am wrong.

re: #94 Hard Right

re: #87 Bubblehead II

#82

But WHO am I supposed to shoot at after I get this really cool weapon?

Those who wish to do you and yours harm, be they domestic criminal gangs, jihadists or the lone wack-job who hears "G*D" telling him to kill the followers of whatever religion he finds offensive that day.

Now, while hoping that I never have to fire a shot in anger, I do believe in practice makes perfect and like to go varmint hunting.

I am kinda partial to coyotes and jackrabbits (open season 24/7/365, no permit or tags needed. Just a valid hunting license). Static targets are fine for learning the basics, but a fast moving target makes you a better marksman IMHO.

Postal workers would agree with you ;)

But how many of them would STILL BE ALIVE if just ONE of them had had a weapon and had been trained to use it? :(

Anybody who'd pay ten grand for an M16 doesn't deserve to win a war.

You're supposed to pay that kind of money for toilet seats and screwdrivers...

EIGHT DOLLARS A BULLET!

There goes the wedding celebrations and car swarms.

re: #85 Far Sparkle

# 82
Re: your advice to buy assault rifles...

But WHO am I supposed to shoot at after I get this really cool weapon?

May I recommend the moby standing closest to your geographical coordinates at the time?

The article quotes the prices at Palestinian gun markets, not the cost to the dealers themselves. This isn't a case of the Palestinians as a whole spending their resources on weapons: it's a transfer of wealth from some individual Palestinians (like the merchant quoted in the article) to other Palestinian importers and stockpilers of weapons. That is, local trading doesn't affect their "balance of payments" and the Palestinians as a whole are neither getting richer nor poorer.

Incidentally, the price rise is a very welcome sign because it indicates that the weapon smuggling channels into and between the Palestinian areas are almost closed. Otherwise the price differences between the West Bank and Gaza would disappear overnight.

buy a rifle to protect his wife and two children

I've always been old that conservative Americans do like this kind of beahviour. I guess that rules change when Arabs/Muslims do it.