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Pipes: Rudy's No W

Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 8:04:30 pm PDT

Here’s Daniel Pipes on the difference between Rudy Giuliani and George W. Bush.

’Would You Buy a Used Hawk From This Man?“ runs the title of a Oct. 15 Newsweek smear of presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani, suggesting that the mayor’s advisors, ”some of the Bush era’s most assertive neoconservatives,“ represent George W. Bush retreads. The article even quotes a foreign policy analyst accusing Giuliani of ”out-Bushing Bush.“

Ever in lock-step, Time magazine’s blog likewise asserted last week that Giuliani’s ”message seems to be that Bush’s policies for the region have worked pretty well, so let’s have more of the same."

How odd. Actually, the opposite should be apparent about Newsweek’s six featured advisors - Norman Podhoretz, Martin Kramer, Peter Berkowitz, Nile Gardiner, Robert Kasten, and myself. First, we collectively had many disagreements with Bush administration policies and, second, we lacked impact on them. In other words, the real story is Giuliani’s fresh start in foreign policy, joined by a cast unconnected to the current president’s successes and failures.

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1 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:06:48pm

That settles it. Guiliani is the man. I hope he makes room for McCain somewhere.

2 stevieray  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:07:25pm

Huh? The MSM gets it wrong? Who'da thunk it!

3 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:07:37pm

...and Texas Gov. Rick Perry endorsed Rudy today!

Good job Perry! even if you are an Aggie...

4 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:07:40pm

Fuckin' A.

5 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:07:46pm

And Daniel Pipes is not a big fan of W. Along with Robert Spencer, incredibly a FAIR man, with honest assessments of current events.

6 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:07:59pm
First, we collectively had many disagreements with Bush administration policies and, second, we lacked impact on them. In other words, the real story is Giuliani’s fresh start in foreign policy, joined by a cast unconnected to the current president’s successes and failures.

But why should the msm let a little thing like facts get in the way of their agenda?

7 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:08:01pm

re: #3 John Schneider

...and Texas Gov. Rick Perry endorsed Rudy today!

Good job Perry! even if you are an Aggie...

Cracked me up!

8 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:08:22pm
9 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:08:42pm
10 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:08:51pm

No more religion of peace nonsense, no more confusing Allah with God.

Bring it on!

/a breath of fresh air

11 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:09:32pm

re: #1 experiencedtraveller

That settles it. Guiliani is the man. I hope he makes room for McCain somewhere.

A new V.A.?

12 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:10:00pm
13 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:10:09pm

Pipes is a good guy and has long been troubled by the Bush administration's attitude. I heard him speak on this years ago, even before the war had begun in earnest. I think with him and John Agresto as advisers -- the latter being someone who has actually spent a bunch of time in Iraq and knows the situation well -- Giuliani is well-informed, far better than most candidates.

14 restitutor orbis  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:10:20pm

He seems to have surrounded himself with some capable people.
Now it appears the only thing wrong about the Giuliani campaign is, well, Giuliani.

This guy's a phony, just like Romney. I'll vote for McCain before I vote for those two.
(And no, Romney's religion has nothing to do with it.)

15 Crimsonfisted  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:10:57pm

Good gravy - too distracted by the shoe ad. Back to reading the article.

16 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:11:26pm

re: #11 MandyManners

re: #1 experiencedtraveller


That settles it. Guiliani is the man. I hope he makes room for McCain somewhere.

A new V.A.?

He would be an excellent representative for Veterans or more.

17 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:11:58pm

re: #2 stevieray

When has the MSM ever gotten it right?!? :D

Anyway, I've felt for months that Giuliani was "our man." And I look forward to seeing a lot of Lefty heads exploding when he wins the White House by a landslide next year.

18 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:12:01pm

re: #14 restitutor orbis

I'll vote for McCain before I vote for those two.

Talk about a phony!

19 Maine's Michael  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:12:23pm

There are a few absolutely stellar 'talkback' comments at the bottom of Pipes piece at the JPOST. Numbers 1 and 6 stand out, in particular.

;)

20 maddogg  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:13:26pm

I am NOT a Rudy fan, but if forced to, I will grit my teeth and pull the lever that says Not Hillary.

21 rightwinger3  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:13:41pm

re: #12 taxfreekiller

Ya, a Kerry moment in time.

I Rick Perry supported the fence, then not, then yes, then not,
then what? tfk calls bull shit on Rick Perry.

tfk,

even kerry didn't flip flop that much what's up with perry?

22 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:14:12pm

re: #12 taxfreekiller

Ya, a Kerry moment in time.

I Rick Perry supported the fence, then not, then yes, then not,
then what? tfk calls bull shit on Rick Perry.

Well, of course. He is a politician. Oh, and an Aggie.

/Longhorn fan

23 Dekar  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:15:06pm

Rudy is the strongest supporter of Israel out of all candidates.

24 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:16:05pm
25 Caliredst8r  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:16:08pm

And what's Hillary's plan for the US other than having us elect her President? Will she be a carbon copy of her "hubby" and do nothing more than BE President? Or, as I believe, will she be Jiminy Carter revisited x10? I believe that she only wants to be President, that she has no real idea of what she will do once she's in the Oval Office other than sit in that comfy chair and secure her place in history as the first woman President. The damage will be done when she tries to do things to please her donors, and to ensure her re-election. She will enact half-assed, half-thought out policies.

So saying that Giuliani will be "out-Bushing Bush" is stupid without mentioning that Shillary will be "out-Clintoning Bubba" or "out-Cartering Carter".

26 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:18:41pm
27 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:19:18pm

re: #24 taxfreekiller

All politics is local, tfk. Regards.

28 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:19:20pm

re: #8 taxfreekiller

Ya, now Rudy is a shoe in, he has the support of the worlds best gofer, ungoverned of Texas, Rick Perry, the used up gofer of the Bush family.

Birds of a feather flock RINO together.

and still real Americans do real things

[Link: www.airshowsamerica.com...]

This is Rick's bid for VP, despite his denials.

29 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:20:02pm

re: #16 experiencedtraveller

re: #11 MandyManners


re: #1 experiencedtraveller

That settles it. Guiliani is the man. I hope he makes room for McCain somewhere.

A new V.A.?

He would be an excellent representative for Veterans or more.

I'd prefer to keep a tight focus for now.

30 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:20:06pm

re: #26 taxfreekiller

Could be worse. Could be an islamic evil money cult, but Rudy refused their money.

31 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:20:36pm
32 restitutor orbis  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:21:35pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

I think McCain can be checked by vigilant citizens on his more zany positions, but as the CinC I trust him to pull out all stops. Same thing goes for Lieberman.

Rudy is an empty suit wrapped in a slick "9-11" package. The more I see him, the less I like him. Anyone else feel the same way?

33 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:22:04pm
34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:22:05pm

OT

OK, WTF are they thinking?

Preventing war leads new naval strategy

WASHINGTON - In the first major revision of U.S. naval strategy in 25 years, maritime officials said Wednesday they plan to focus more on humanitarian missions and improving international cooperation as a way to prevent conflicts.

"We believe that preventing wars is as important as winning wars," said the new strategy announced by the Navy, Marine Corps and Coast Guard.

The strategy reflects a broader Defense Department effort to use aid, training and other cooperative efforts to encourage stability in fledgling democracies and create relationships around the globe that can be leveraged if a crisis does break out in a region.

35 RoughRider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:22:24pm

I posted this in the overnight thread, but keep in mind that purported "conservative" Rick Perry is hellbent on converting Texas freeways into toll roads at the behest of one of his major campaign financiers Cintra, a Spanish toll road building megacompany.

Guiliani's law firm represents Cintra.

Follow the money.

I'm not so sure Perry's a good endorsement to have anyway. In a state as conservative as Texas, his successful re-election was based on garnering a whopping 39% of the vote in a fractured field. He is not a popular governor by any means.

36 stuck in california  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:23:03pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis
Not me.

37 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:23:10pm
38 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:23:21pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

re: #18 Sharmuta

I think McCain can be checked by vigilant citizens on his more zany positions, but as the CinC I trust him to pull out all stops. Same thing goes for Lieberman.

Rudy is an empty suit wrapped in a slick "9-11" package. The more I see him, the less I like him. Anyone else feel the same way?

Last time I checked, McCain torpedoed immigration and screwed us on campaign finance. yeah, he'd make a fine president...NOT

39 Sharmuta  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:23:43pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

And I think mccain says whatever is most politically expedient for him to say at any given moment and is completely untrustworthy.

/Gang of 14, anyone?

40 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:24:07pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

Yes.

41 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:24:08pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

re: #18 Sharmuta

I think McCain can be checked by vigilant citizens on his more zany positions, but as the CinC I trust him to pull out all stops. Same thing goes for Lieberman.

Rudy is an empty suit wrapped in a slick "9-11" package. The more I see him, the less I like him. Anyone else feel the same way?



Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm...I suggest you do the research to find out where Rudy was on 9-11.

He is the real deal for this day and age.

42 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:26:44pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

I met the man early this year, and I came away with exactly the opposite impression. He struck me as the most substantive politician I've met in a long time. He actually listens to people and is willing to take advice. He talks to people, unlike Hillary who is always looking over your shoulder to see if there's anyone more important in the room. As for his style, he's a cop, and he acts and talks like a cop, but I think he really means what he says on the matter of terrorism.

In any event, an empty suit could not have pulled off what he did in NYC, transforming the city from an absolute hell-hole into a place you'd actually consider bringing your family to to live. Remember David Dinkins?

43 Racer X  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:27:00pm

That cocksucker Putin is not afraid of Hillary in the least. With Russia desperately trying to find their balls, do we really want Hillary staring them down?

44 pegcity  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:27:11pm

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always thought that by winning wars you prevented them, oops i forgot winning wars is not fair, its considered disproportionate.

45 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:27:43pm

Well that pretty much puts the nail in the coffin of Bush's Presidential run in 2008. What's that you say, Bush is not running? You could have fooled me since all the Democrats seem to be running against Bush.All I can say is I don't think that will be a winning strategy. Rudy is not my favorite but like I said before, if the Republicans ran an actually live elephant I would vote for it before I would vote for Hillary.

46 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:29:07pm

As somebody neighboring the Texas border and getting in-state Texas money for college (ha ha), I've never been impressed with Gov. Good Hair aka Rick Perry. But he's a shining star compared to equally worthless Gov. Brad "we've got more casinos per capita than any other state" Henry of Oklahoma.

I'll tell you one thing that has just about pushed me into the Rudy camp. Obviously, the left is scared shiiteless of him. Something tells me the libs know who will beat Hillary; war or no war.

47 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:29:31pm
48 tblot  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:29:55pm

re: #9 MandyManners

best ever is america

49 insanity police  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:30:17pm

New!

Audio: Daniel Pipes at Wayne State and The University of Michigan

“The Threat To Israel’s Existence: Why it’s Back, What it Means”

AND

“Radical Islam and the War on Terror”

50 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:30:20pm

re: #44 pegcity

re: #34 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)

I always thought that by winning wars you prevented them, oops i forgot winning wars is not fair, its considered disproportionate.

Easiest way to prevent a fight, make sure everyone knows you will beat the living crap out of them if they look at you sideways and if you do go down, you're taking every son of a bitch with you.

Instead, we're going to play nice nice and hope they really really like us. Fucking pathetic.

51 restitutor orbis  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:30:52pm

Hey, all I'm saying is that this field of candidates is utterly devoid of leadership. I think whoever the GOP candidate is, if he wins, he will be a phony b.s. artist just like Bush. And this from a guy who voted for him.......twice! I won't be fooled again.

52 RedPepper  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:31:22pm

Just remember : the real choice will come in a little over a year.

Way too early to be ruling Republican candidates out.

53 pat  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:31:43pm

It is final. I will not vote for a Bush or a Clinton.

54 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:31:44pm

re: #45 nigella

Bush isn't running. He's setting the Capital on fire to declare martial law and put Randi Rhodes and Tipper Gore and other folks into concentration camps and prevent the elections and declare himself President for Life and God Emperor of Christ0-Fascist Amerikkka and arrest MTF and FTM and Furries and Unitarians on orders from his superiors on Draco. I know because my glowing vibrating crystals told me so.

/moonbat off (feel free to insert gratuitous f-bombs)

55 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:32:04pm

I have a feeling a number of people are going to be surprised at how Giuliani does as President. They'll be eating crow.... or they'll be claiming they always thought he'd be a good President, even though now they scoff at every positive thing spoken of about him.

56 Defogger  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:32:27pm

The smart money is on Giuliani. Not the purest conservative candidate, by any means, but he can beat Hillary -- and that is the goal.

Don't lose sight of the goal.

57 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:32:28pm
58 Racer X  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:32:29pm

re: #51 restitutor orbis

Hey, all I'm saying is that this field of candidates is utterly devoid of leadership. I think whoever the GOP candidate is, if he wins, he will be a phony b.s. artist just like Bush. And this from a guy who voted for him.......twice! I won't be fooled again.

Tell us, oh wise one, who is your candidate?

59 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:34:25pm

re: #48 tblot

re: #9 MandyManners

best ever is america

None other to compare.

60 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:34:37pm
61 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:34:42pm

re: #42 Lucius Septimius

re: #32 restitutor orbis

I met the man early this year, and I came away with exactly the opposite impression. He struck me as the most substantive politician I've met in a long time. He actually listens to people and is willing to take advice. He talks to people, unlike Hillary who is always looking over your shoulder to see if there's anyone more important in the room. As for his style, he's a cop, and he acts and talks like a cop, but I think he really means what he says on the matter of terrorism.

In any event, an empty suit could not have pulled off what he did in NYC, transforming the city from an absolute hell-hole into a place you'd actually consider bringing your family to to live. Remember David Dinkins?

OK, let's say he was a great NY mayor. Wasn't he the guy pushing Bernie Kerik for head of Homelad Security?

62 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:35:35pm
63 Mich-again  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:35:41pm

We might see three different candidates getting electoral votes. Ron Paul has a lock on Vermont anyways.

So what if neither Hillary nor the GOP nominee gets 270 electoral votes. Interesting trivia here. The vote then goes to the House of Representatives, in an election where each State gets but one vote. And I have no idea how that would work out, but I am guessing that obscure rule would favor the flyover States because Nebraska would cancel out California and Wyoming would cancel out NY.

Oh if that ever happens the concentrated moonbat populations will seethe much more worser than they did after the 2000 election.

64 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:35:50pm

re: #51 restitutor orbis

Hey, all I'm saying is that this field of candidates is utterly devoid of leadership. I think whoever the GOP candidate is, if he wins, he will be a phony b.s. artist just like Bush. And this from a guy who voted for him.......twice! I won't be fooled again.

Uhhhhmmmm.... are you sure you're on the right forum?!?!? :D :D :D :D

65 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:35:55pm

#54 Lucius, Your crystals told you that too, I thought mine were the only ones. Got my bomb shelter all ready for the emperor Bush reign.......................moonbat/off

66 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:37:08pm

What's Kay up to?

By SUZANNE GAMBOA, Associated Press Writer
Tue Oct 16, 5:34 PM ET


WASHINGTON - Republican Kay Bailey Hutchison said Tuesday she will not seek re-election after her current Senate term and is weighing other options, which could include a bid for Texas governor.

"I was honest in the (2006) campaign that it was my intention to not go beyond this last term, third term," said Hutchison of Texas. "I know every other option is certainly available, but I don't intend to run for a fourth term."

She said running for Texas governor in 2010 is one option but she has not made a decision.

Hutchison was a little exasperated Tuesday with the attention to her plans.

SNIP

67 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:37:55pm

re: #51 restitutor orbis

Hey, all I'm saying is that this field of candidates is utterly devoid of leadership. I think whoever the GOP candidate is, if he wins, he will be a phony b.s. artist just like Bush. And this from a guy who voted for him.......twice! I won't be fooled again.

oh, puleeze.

Bush wasn't perfect. No president is. But you're sounding more and more like a Ronulan.

68 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:38:29pm

re: #61 Q-Burn

GAH!

69 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:38:29pm

My first trip to Manhattan while Dinkins was mayor...and the first words I ever heard while being dropped at the Marriott Marquis there on Broadway in the theater district:

"Get that sonofabitch, he stole my wallet!"

True story.

70 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:38:52pm

re: #61 Q-Burn

re: #42 Lucius Septimius

re: #32 restitutor orbis

I met the man early this year, and I came away with exactly the opposite impression. He struck me as the most substantive politician I've met in a long time. He actually listens to people and is willing to take advice. He talks to people, unlike Hillary who is always looking over your shoulder to see if there's anyone more important in the room. As for his style, he's a cop, and he acts and talks like a cop, but I think he really means what he says on the matter of terrorism.

In any event, an empty suit could not have pulled off what he did in NYC, transforming the city from an absolute hell-hole into a place you'd actually consider bringing your family to to live. Remember David Dinkins?

OK, let's say he was a great NY mayor. Wasn't he the guy pushing Bernie Kerik for head of Homeland Security?

and your point is?

71 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:39:38pm

re: #69 goodbye_natalie

My first trip to Manhattan while Dinkins was mayor...and the first words I ever heard while being dropped at the Marriott Marquis there on Broadway in the theater district:

"Get that sonofabitch, he stole my wallet!"

True story.

Ah the good old days.

/

72 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:02pm

re: #68 MandyManners

With ya on that one, babe.

73 RedPepper  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:07pm

re: #63 Mich-again

We narrowly escaped that kind of lunacy back in 2000.

It would be even worse today. Can you say "Constitutional Crisis"?

Can you imagine how the lawyers would behave?

74 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:20pm

The Prince of the CityGiuliani, New York, and the Genius of American Life

Fred Siegel

75 restitutor orbis  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:33pm

re: #58 Racer X

none of the current candidates, thats for sure.

76 Friend of USA  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:46pm

Sorry to be off topic but this will put a smile on your face,

"...Today, in the face of a stock market that has been hitting all-time highs,
the New York Times (stock symbol: NYT) opened at a brand new 52-week low.

Now, that is some news that is fit to print. "

(from the AmericanThinker.org)

77 marwan's daughter  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:50pm

At least on the conservative side there is a diversity of opinion, as Dr. Pipes clearly says. On the Islamist side there is no such diversity. And they say neocons are evil.

78 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:40:51pm

i'm voting for rudy. he's going to get the nomination and he's going to beat hillary.

79 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:41:10pm

re: #72 Lucius Septimius

re: #68 MandyManners

With ya on that one, babe.

You're my "Gah" partner?

Good to know.

80 yochanan  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:41:20pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis

NO!

81 Dad O' Blondes  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:41:46pm

Give me Rudy, or give me DEATH!

Any man who threw Yasser out of a NYC public gathering (Lincoln Center '95) is the man for me.

Go ahead and debate me.

Rudy stood on top of the pile at Ground Zero. He knows what this all about.

This Dad says YES for Rudy.

.

82 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:41:52pm

re: #70 John Schneider

Goes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.

83 Racer X  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:42:44pm

re: #73 RedPepper

re: #63 Mich-again

We narrowly escaped that kind of lunacy back in 2000.

It would be even worse today. Can you say "Constitutional Crisis"?

Can you imagine how the lawyers would behave?


It wont come to that. Bush will bomb Iran, which will drag the Russians into it, which will start WW3. Bush can then postpone elections and make himself president indefinitely.

Rove you magnificent bastard!

84 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:43:17pm

#70 I though and still do think Bernie Kerick would have kicked butt as Homeland security chief. The dhimmis were obviously afraid he would do too good of a job so they had to dig up dirt on him. Probably Hillary's doing. Not saying he was perfect, but think he would have been a whole lot better than what we got.

85 NomadOfNorad  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:43:24pm

re: #78 nyc redneck

i'm voting for rudy. he's going to get the nomination and he's going to beat hillary.

So, which of the other candidates do you think should be his veep?

86 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:43:25pm
87 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:44:09pm

re: #82 Q-Burn

re: #70 John Schneider

Goes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.

How? Executive powers are pretty much similar.

88 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:44:11pm

re: #38 John Schneider

McCain also voted against Dubya's tax cuts, the engine that propelled the economy.

89 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:44:13pm
90 RedPepper  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:44:34pm

re: #83 Racer X

Well, that's reassuring!

For a minute I thought we were in real trouble here!

/s

91 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:44:46pm

PIMF, thought

92 Orde  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:45:18pm

So Pipes now with Team Rudy, but a former Bush appointee, a guy who can't seem to realize that when it comes to Israel there is no moderate Islam, says Giuliani offers a fresh approach, even though Giuliani is just reiterating the years old Bush Road Map talk...uh, not buying it. Nothing new here.

93 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:45:45pm

re: #82 Q-Burn

re: #70 John Schneider

Goes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.

I completely agree. That doesn't mean, however, that Rudy would make a bad president. Name your reasons for not voting for Rudy, and you'll earn a hell of a lot more respect around here. Promote your view with facts, and maybe you'll win people to your side.

94 tblot  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:46:07pm

Well I don't about you folks but I want a president that is going to defeat and stay on the offense and Rudy is the guy for me. As he said no on the job training for Mrs Clinton

95 Racer X  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:46:28pm

re: #90 RedPepper

re: #83 Racer X

Well, that's reassuring!

For a minute I thought we were in real trouble here!

/s

It's true! I read it on a lefty blog. They know stuff.

96 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:46:33pm
97 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:47:20pm

re: #85 NomadOfNorad

re: #78 nyc redneck

i'm voting for rudy. he's going to get the nomination and he's going to beat hillary.
So, which of the other candidates do you think should be his veep?

i haven't really gotten that far. but i do like duncan hunter, alot.

98 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:48:45pm

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #82 Q-Burn

re: #70 John Schneider

Goes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.

How? Executive powers are pretty much similar.

Do you think Bernie was a good choice? Rudy convinced Bush that he was, the nomination lasted a week.

99 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:50:43pm

re: #98 Q-Burn

RON PAUL.

100 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:50:49pm

re: #45 nigella

Not much difference, LOL.

101 Lucius Septimius  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:50:51pm

re: #79 MandyManners

re: #72 Lucius Septimius

re: #68 MandyManners

With ya on that one, babe.

You're my "Gah" partner?

Good to know.

Well, partner in "Gah," I must to sleep. See ya on the DDT. In the meantime, keep up the fight.

102 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:51:48pm
Rehabbing The D.C. Snipers

Media Bias: Why would two Muslim men travel 3,000 miles to kill random people in the nation’s capital a year after 9/11? CNN investigated and found Islamic terror had nothing to do with it.

In its special marking the fifth anniversary of the sniper attacks, the network downplays the religious angle to the story in a reprise of its original shameless coverage.

/link coming tomorrow from IBD to a paper near you

103 McJenny50  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:51:54pm

OT - Morgan Stanley, the second-biggest shareholder in New York Times Co., sold its entire 7.3 percent stake today, according to a person briefed on the transaction, sending the stock to its lowest in more than 10 years.

Goin' down

New York Times shares slid 43 cents, or 2.3 percent, to $18.48 at 4:04 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading, the lowest since January 1997. The stock has declined 24 percent this year.

104 Pro-Bush Canuck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:52:40pm

re: #103 McJenny50

Short that sucker.

105 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:53:06pm

re: #99 MandyManners

re: #98 Q-Burn

RON PAUL.

Nah, I don't think he would be good for Homeland Security either.

106 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:53:34pm

re: #99 MandyManners

re: #98 Q-Burn

RON PAUL.

107 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:53:37pm

re: #98 Q-Burn

re: #87 MandyManners

re: #82 Q-Burn

re: #70 John SchneiderGoes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.

How? Executive powers are pretty much similar.

Do you think Bernie was a good choice? Rudy convinced Bush that he was, the nomination lasted a week.

Just what was it about him (please be specific) that you found so distasteful?

108 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:54:08pm

re: #101 Lucius Septimius

Sweetest dreams!

109 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:54:50pm

re: #55 NomadOfNorad

You got a + for that.

110 goodbye_natalie  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:55:04pm

re: #69 goodbye_natalie

I aint' voting for McCain. Thanks to him and Senator Leadhead, we've got the wonderful McCain-Feingold legislation that allowed scum bags like Soros to buy elections.

I commend John for his service. Now he can be put out to pasture.

111 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:57:28pm

Watching the O'Reilly rerun. Clip of Ron Paul, what a fargin' icehole.

112 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:57:33pm

re: #107 John Schneider

If you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

113 RedPepper  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:57:39pm

re: #103 McJenny50

The New York Times jumped the shark years ago, from a journalistic viewpoint.

Its financial demise is just a footnote.

114 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:58:06pm

re: #107 John Schneider

re: #98 Q-Burn

re: #87 MandyManners
re: #82 Q-Burn
re: #70 John SchneiderGoes to judgement. President is a lot different from big city mayor.
How? Executive powers are pretty much similar.
Do you think Bernie was a good choice? Rudy convinced Bush that he was, the nomination lasted a week.
Just what was it about him (please be specific) that you found so distasteful?

the msm jumped on aspects of his personal life, he could have done the job tho. bill clinton was much more of a slut.

115 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 8:59:34pm

Q-Burn, the last place I am going to go for info, is google.....

116 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:00:59pm

re: #112 Q-Burn

who would you vote for?

117 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:01:04pm

re: #115 nigella

It's just a search engine, go to Yahoo or wherever.

118 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:01:44pm

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John Schneider

If you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

I remember what the allegations were, and frankly, I didn't care. If the man could do the job at Homeland Security, that's all I would have cared about. Anything else is just background noise.

Don't ask us to google. It makes you look stupid for not having your facts to back up your chest thumping. Either state what you know or shut up.

119 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:01:52pm

re: #116 nyc redneck

Right now, I like Mike Huckabee.

120 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:02:46pm

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John Schneider

If you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

This is some sort of scandal?

121 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:03:14pm

Rehabbing The D.C. Snipers

CNN whitewashes jihad.

/absolutely devastating

122 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:06:06pm

re: #32 restitutor orbis Not me. Course, I only lived in NYC for the eight years he was Mayor, so what do I know about him?

123 1389  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:07:12pm

re: #18 Sharmuta

McCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

124 Artki  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:07:20pm

I'll count that as Newsweek's and Times' endorsement of Giuliani for President!

125 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:08:11pm

re: #119 Q-Burn

re: #116 nyc redneck

Right now, I like Mike Huckabee.

ok

126 1389  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:08:33pm

re: #110 goodbye_natalie

That's the whole thing. Soros and his ilk have bought out too many politicians on both sides of the aisle.

127 Killian Bundy  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:09:29pm

re: #121 Killian Bundy

Rehabbing The D.C. Snipers

CNN whitewashes jihad.

/absolutely devastating

Better link.

/with Malvo artwork

128 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:09:32pm

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John Schneider

If you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

This is some sort of scandal?

Follow me here. Look ahead. Think strategically. Right now, the Clintons are portrayed as the perfect couple. But after she is nominated, Clinton family values will come into play.

Now, who is the one Republican candidate with more dirty laundry than Hillary in that regard? Could it be the philandering cross-dresser?

129 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:09:56pm

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John Schneider

If you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

This is some sort of scandal?

rudy's vulnerabilities won't even include bernie. that's the least of his problems.

130 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:10:02pm

re: #119 Q-Burn

re: #116 nyc redneck

Right now, I like Mike Huckabee.

Just goes to show...!

131 Blazer in RIC  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:10:09pm

Osama Pajamas is on Leno. I see he, and Awesomedinnerjacket have the same tailor.


................ and speechwriter too.

132 1389  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:10:25pm

re: #84 nigella

I think you have that situation scoped out pretty well.

133 RedPepper  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:11:44pm

re: #123 1389

re: #18 Sharmuta

McCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

But other than that, what've you got against him?

Nobody's perfect, y'know!

/s

134 1389  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:13:13pm

re: #133 RedPepper

What else do I have against him? Well, just for starters, his pressurizing to go to war against the Serbs, and on behalf of the Albanian Muslim jihadists who were, and still are, the local branch of AQ.

135 MandyManners  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:14:05pm

Kos misses its idiot.

136 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:14:08pm

re: #78 nyc redneck

he's goingi'm voting for rudy. he's going to get the ynomination and to beat hillar.

Me too.

137 ted  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:15:17pm

OT: Check out how they present this poll...More CNN garbage...

Poll: Americans want fewer illegal immigrants in U.S

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Most Americans would like there to be fewer illegal immigrants in the country, but only three in 10 say all of them should be deported, a CNN Opinion Research poll said Wednesday.A crowd in Manassas, Virginia, where officials are weighing a controversial immigration measure.

Seven percent of those polled said they would like to see the number of illegal immigrants increase, 22 percent said they would like the number to remain the same, 16 percent want it decreased "a little" and 22 percent want it decreased "a lot," according to the poll of 1,212 adult Americans.

Blacks and whites differed over whether the number of illegal immigrants should be increased, with 14 percent of African-Americans saying it should, versus 3 percent of whites.

Nineteen percent of blacks said they thought all illegal immigrants should be removed from the country; 35 percent of whites said that.

Blacks and whites overwhelmingly oppose state governments issuing driver's licenses to illegal immigrants, with 76 percent of blacks and 83 percent of whites taking that stance, the poll said.

[Link: www.cnn.com...]

138 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:16:27pm

re: #82 Q-Burn

But at least HE ran a big city, and ran it damn well.

139 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:16:42pm

re: #95 Racer X "They know stuff." ROTFLMAO! Very good, very clever, thanks!

140 1389  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:17:19pm

re: #135 MandyManners

But they have so many idiots there already!

141 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:17:48pm
142 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:18:35pm

re: #138 tommygum

No argument there.

143 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:18:42pm

Go RUDY!

144 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:19:46pm

There isn't anyone running for the Republican nomination,except Ron Paul, that isn't heads above any of the sniveling Socialists running on the Democratic ticket.I would vote for any of them, to make sure Hillary is not POTUS. If that makes me a sellout,so be it. I happen to think the very survival of all of us is at stake.Too melodramatic?I don't think so. The Supreme Court will be up for grabs and that's what worries me the most.The next President will have at least two and possibly four picks. My question to all of you, do you want Hillary or Obama to make the choices, or any , except Ron Paul of course, of the current Republican field? I'll go with the lesser of two evils myself. Not Conservative enough for you you say? Consider the alternative.

145 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:22:15pm

i like rudy. i saw what he did for this town. i saw what he did on 9-ll, i watched him throw that 10 million dollar check in face of that demeaning saudi, i saw him kick out the terrorist arrafat from his comfortable seat at lincoln center, and i've heard him address the islamist issues, that's my concern. not getting blown up again. and my feeling is i want who the terrorists don't want. i'm sure rudy is one of their last choices for potus.

146 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:22:19pm

re: #144 nigella

well, you could always vote for Cthulhu, and not worry about the lesser of two evils...

147 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:22:31pm

re: #128 Q-Burn

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John SchneiderIf you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

This is some sort of scandal?

Follow me here. Look ahead. Think strategically. Right now, the Clintons are portrayed as the perfect couple. But after she is nominated, Clinton family values will come into play.

Now, who is the one Republican candidate with more dirty laundry than Hillary in that regard? Could it be the philandering cross-dresser?

Would you rather have Rudy bullshittin' about who and what he is? I mean, that's been Romney's problem---his "conversion on the road to Damascus" just happened to coincide with his Presidential aspirations

148 profitsbeard  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:22:33pm

"I have a million ideas, but American can't afford them all."- Hillary Rodham Clinton

What Republican could lose with that as their campaign commercial quote? With her face composed from a collage of thousands and thousands of dollar bills?

As long as the voters keep the strength they had on the border issue to rein-in any RINO moments (free prescriptions for seniors, ad nauseam), then next president can be steered to do the will of the most seriously motivated people.

Which is: defend the country, the Constitution, and destroy the enemy, most clearly called Islamofascism, which threatens the freedoms and future of the Civilized world.

149 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:23:59pm

#146, At this late hour that almost made sense.Obviously time for this Grandma to go to bed. Night all.

150 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:24:51pm

re: #147 RememberSekhmet?

Like Rudy discovering the Second Amendment when he spoke to the NRA?

151 Irenike  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:25:22pm

I predict that the next presidential election will be between one genuine New Yorker and one carpetbagging New Yorker who happens to be the darling of the whole NYC media intelligensia.

Romey is handsome and articulate, and looks very presidential. His suits are impeccable. I'd vote for him if he were the Republican candidate. But he can't give her the requisite "city attitude" like Rudy can. Hillary is a tough cookie. You need a street-smart, no-nonsense man to keep her out of the Oval Office. Giuliani is the only candiate who can seriously kick her ass, in my opinion.

152 nigella  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:27:12pm

#151, Amen, and with that I'm off to bed...

153 Blazer in RIC  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:27:18pm

re: #135 MandyManners

"Kos misses its idiot."

I doubt that. They dont' even miss their own mammie.

154 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:30:03pm

re: #105 Q-Burn

re: #99 MandyManners


re: #98 Q-Burn

RON PAUL.


Nah, I don't think he would be good for Homeland Security either.

lol

155 Blazer in RIC  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:33:27pm
156 RememberSekhmet?  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:34:22pm

re: #150 Q-Burn

re: #147 RememberSekhmet?

Like Rudy discovering the Second Amendment when he spoke to the NRA?

And you bag on Rudy in favor of......?

I don't even want to hear it if it's

a) Some fourth-tier nobody

b) Ron Paul

c) Waiting for Godot or Reagan's resurrection--whichever comes first

157 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:34:52pm

re: #145 nyc redneck I'm with y'all on all that. I lived and worked in Manhattan while Dinkins was mayor (shudder) and while Rudy was mayor for 8 years.
While most folks out here know that NYC is ultra-liberal, they don't connect the dots to that and having a Republican mayor. IIRC, the NYC City Council was ALL Democratic and a lot of what Rudy was able to accomplish was in the face of such left-wing lunacy.
Remember when Rudy cleaned up Times Square? Got rid of the porno shops, prostitiutes, pimps, muggers and drug dealers and Jimmy Breslin (a major league lefty in anybody's eyes) wrote a column in, I believe the New York Daily News that Rudy was ruining the "flavor" and "attraction" of New York City and especially Times Square! That's how most looney leftie liberals in NYC saw Rudy, as some sort of "Avenging Angel"; most of the rest of us were greatful to finally have someone in charge who was concerned about OUR SAFETY, not the sensibilities of Jimmy Breslin and his ilk. Most of us were greatful we could go to the great Broadway shows, or to Penn Station, or Grand Cental Station and NOT GET MUGGED OR SOLICITED BY WHORES, nor "offered" drugs and such.
And Rudy did that by pulling an end around the Democratic New York City Council, by using the zoning laws of NYC to get rid of the Porno shops and porno theaters, which were also the home to the prostitues, pimps, muggers and drug dealers.

158 John Schneider  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:35:37pm

re: #155 Blazer in RIC

now cut that out. I had a mouth full of beer, and all I have to show for it is this little bit of vomit at the back of my throat...

159 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:38:13pm

re: #151 Irenike

I predict that the next presidential election will be between one genuine New Yorker and one carpetbagging New Yorker who happens to be the darling of the whole NYC media intelligensia.

Romey is handsome and articulate, and looks very presidential. His suits are impeccable. I'd vote for him if he were the Republican candidate. But he can't give her the requisite "city attitude" like Rudy can. Hillary is a tough cookie. You need a street-smart, no-nonsense man to keep her out of the Oval Office. Giuliani is the only candiate who can seriously kick her ass, in my opinion.

O.K.

160 Q-Burn  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:40:22pm

re: #156 RememberSekhmet?

See #119. Fourth tier? Maybe but it's early.

161 galloglass_warrior  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:47:19pm

But they're mostly JOOZ! I thought Jewish = Neo-con.

162 daledog  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:47:37pm

Dear Mr. Pipes,
You are asking for the people at Time and Newsweek to think. Ain't gonna happen.

Daledog

163 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:50:36pm

re: #157 realwest

Thanks for that.
I've been for him since the start.
Heck the terrorists don't want him being President.
They want Hillary...this says alot.

164 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:50:42pm

re: #157 realwest

re: #145 nyc redneck I'm with y'all on all that. I lived and worked in Manhattan while Dinkins was mayor (shudder) and while Rudy was mayor for 8 years.
While most folks out here know that NYC is ultra-liberal, they don't connect the dots to that and having a Republican mayor. IIRC, the NYC City Council was ALL Democratic and a lot of what Rudy was able to accomplish was in the face of such left-wing lunacy.
Remember when Rudy cleaned up Times Square? Got rid of the porno shops, prostitiutes, pimps, muggers and drug dealers and Jimmy Breslin (a major league lefty in anybody's eyes) wrote a column in, I believe the New York Daily News that Rudy was ruining the "flavor" and "attraction" of New York City and especially Times Square! That's how most looney leftie liberals in NYC saw Rudy, as some sort of "Avenging Angel"; most of the rest of us were greatful to finally have someone in charge who was concerned about OUR SAFETY, not the sensibilities of Jimmy Breslin and his ilk. Most of us were greatful we could go to the great Broadway shows, or to Penn Station, or Grand Cental Station and NOT GET MUGGED OR SOLICITED BY WHORES, nor "offered" drugs and such.
And Rudy did that by pulling an end around the Democratic New York City Council, by using the zoning laws of NYC to get rid of the Porno shops and porno theaters, which were also the home to the prostitues, pimps, muggers and drug dealers.

hey realwest, yes. i remember it all. rudy was the first one to say: we're done w/ this slacker approach to running this town . and he turned it around tho he was attacked and demeaned by the nyt and every lib creep everywhere. he was impervious to the insults. he doesn't need approval from these bums who would sell us out. i just like rudy based on personal observations. i hope he gets the nomination

165 experiencedtraveller  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:50:48pm

re: #123 1389

re: #18 Sharmuta

McCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

McCain has fought and bled for this country. That counts a lot in my book.

And I may think you are a phony and a nutcase.

166 Orde  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:52:21pm

re: #128 Q-Burn

re: #120 MandyManners

re: #112 Q-Burn

re: #107 John SchneiderIf you don't remember, Google his name and Homeland Security and find out why he lasted a week.

And remember, Rudy will be vulnerable to a similar playbook.

This is some sort of scandal?

Follow me here. Look ahead. Think strategically. Right now, the Clintons are portrayed as the perfect couple. But after she is nominated, Clinton family values will come into play.

Now, who is the one Republican candidate with more dirty laundry than Hillary in that regard? Could it be the philandering cross-dresser?

And also looking ahead, remember Huckabee showed up for the NAACP Republican debate, Giuliani, McCain, Thompson, Romney, did not and their excuses were totally lame.

167 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:58:06pm

re: #106 MandyManners

re: #99 MandyManners


re: #98 Q-Burn

RON PAUL.

Does skippy have any special "shorts"?

168 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:59:32pm

hey guys
sorry to go ot but I need a little help.
could all the cat and critter lovers say a small prayer.
I had to have my 13+ yr old big orange vol kitty put down today.
he was very ill and it was the kindest thing I could do, I've had MANY pets but this is the first time Ihad to have one put to sleep and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done.

He was my vol kitty cause any time Tennesse was playing he would hop up on the arm of the couch and watch the game with me (true, he never did this for any other team)

He was a fat lazy mean sob and I am really gonna miss him.

thanks,
ROL

169 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:02:57pm

re: #164 nyc redneck "he was attacked and demeaned by the nyt and every lib creep everywhere. he was impervious to the insults. he doesn't need approval from these bums who would sell us out."
YUP! He stood up for all the hard working people in the City (well, ok, he was a hardnose when it came to negotiating with the municipal, Police and Fire unions and I thought then and still think he shoulda treated the cops and firefighter's UNIONS a little better) but he really did stand up for those of us who worked for a living and weren't criminals. HE DEFENDED US, not only against the crooks, but AGAINST THE LIBERAL ESTABLISHMENT in NYC. He made it possible to safely ride the subways in NYC, to safely walk the streets in NYC and was almost obsessed about protecting US, and to hell with the LLL "establishments" like the NYT (who, IIRC, made a huge stink over Rudy's refusing to let Arafat attend something or other at Lincoln Center).
Rudy proved he's a tough S.O.B. when it came to causes that mattered to those honest citizens who lived and worked in NYC and he tried HARD to keep the working middle class to stay in NYC.

170 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:02:58pm

re: #168 rain of lead

hey guys
sorry to go ot but I need a little help.
could all the cat and critter lovers say a small prayer.
I had to have my 13+ yr old big orange vol kitty put down today.
he was very ill and it was the kindest thing I could do, I've had MANY pets but this is the first time Ihad to have one put to sleep and it was one of the hardest things I have ever done.

He was my vol kitty cause any time Tennesse was playing he would hop up on the arm of the couch and watch the game with me (true, he never did this for any other team)

He was a fat lazy mean sob and I am really gonna miss him.

thanks,
ROL

i'm so sorry you lost your big orange kitty cat. i'm sure he's in big vol heaven.

171 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:04:48pm

re: #169 realwest

you sum it up so well. you should move back.

172 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:05:59pm

re: #168 rain of lead

I'm sorry...it is tough losing a pet, I know. Been there done that..
You'll be in my prayers..

173 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:09:23pm

RE:170
& !72

thanks,
I know he's there givin smoky hell :)

174 Catttt  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:10:35pm

re: #168 rain of lead

I'm so sorry for your loss, hon.

175 allahakchew  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:12:21pm

re: #173 rain of lead

RE:170
& !72

thanks,
I know he's there givin smoky hell :)

You're welcome..

176 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:13:40pm

re: #171 nyc redneck Thanks - I moved back to North Carolina (where I was born) out of financial need. You CANNOT have cancer and have to go on SSDI and live in NYC. Hell, my rent for a teeny studio apartment in Hell's Kitchen was more than my monthly SSDI benefits, never mind doctors, medications, food, utilities and the like!
I lived and worked in Manhanttan for somethng like 35 years and I still consider it my home town. I truly love the folks down here and have never met a freindlier bunch of people, but in my heart NYC will always be home to me.
And that's why I'm so fired up about Rudy. Yes he has his faults, but when the rubber hit the road, he was ALWAYS there to protect US, and really, truly didn't give a shit what the liberal lefties thought of him for doing it. And ya know, I don't think it ever occured to him to take the time away from his duties in protecting us against the criminal element to even think about whehter or no we should be able to smoke cigarettes in bars.
The man has his head on straight and doesn't just talk tough, he IS tough.

177 profitsbeard  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:16:17pm

re: #168 rain of lead

I and my 2 dogs and 6 cats will add our 9 prayers for your little guy.

178 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:16:54pm

re: #168 rain of lead Hey there, I'm really sorry you lost your cat - I know to you he was more a member of your family than some members of your family(!) and I also know how much you'll miss him.
You have my sincere and deepest condolences on your loss.

179 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:20:19pm

#174 Cattt
thanks.
When I found him as a kitten (dumped !) and took him home he marched in said I'm the boss now then walked up to my full grown siamese and smacked him right in the face and did this every day till the other cat said enuff already you win. and he stayed boss until sunday when he was to sick to move.

180 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:24:51pm

re: #176 realwest

{realwest} you're a realnewyorker. wow. do you ever come to visit

181 MissLL  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:26:19pm

re: #179 rain of lead

Just asked my two cats that passed away a few years ago (Sawyer and Oliver) to go greet your cat so he won't feel lonely

182 MissLL  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:29:26pm

re: #165 experiencedtraveller

re: #123 1389

re: #18 Sharmuta

McCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

-------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------
McCain may have made mistakes, but he sure paid his dues - several years in the Hanoi Hilton, when he could've gotten out earlier if he had denounced the United States, which he never did. Instead he still has pain every day from all those years of torture. Not a phony to me at all.

183 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:33:55pm

re: #180 {nyc redneck} Hey, Thank you. I'm afraid my physical condition is such that I really can't travel, though I'd love to go back "home".
As I said, I was born in North Carolina and the folks down here are real and friendly as all hell.
But it's taken some, ah, adjustments to move back and live here - like walking - even ill, I still walk faster than 90% of the folks down here and while a generally "nice guy" I can lose my temper a heck of a lot faster than most folks down here. But they are really nice, decent and GOOD people down here and since I can't live in New York City, there's no place else I'd rather live than down here in North Carolina.
But damn, I'd sure like to visit "home" again.

184 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:34:14pm

#181 MissLL

Uh Oh!


Thanks! he really has mellowed in his old age

185 Starboard list  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:34:47pm

re #168 rain of lead

I am so, so sorry to hear about your cat. I hope you find comfort knowing that you gave him a good home while he was here. My prayers are with you.

186 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:37:16pm

#185 starboard List
yeah, he was lucky to get such a well trained waiter.

187 MissLL  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:37:17pm

re: #184 rain of lead

#181 MissLL

Uh Oh!


Thanks! he really has mellowed in his old age


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Don't worry, Oliver sounded a lot like your cat - but I'm sure he will be nice to him:) I lost Oliver the same way as your cat, it's one of the hardest things I ever had to do...

188 tommygum  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:37:58pm

Rain of Lead: I know how you feel. I had to put my Lab down last year after 17 and a half years of that special canine love. Her replacement softened the blow in time.

189 rain of lead  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:42:49pm

I have always been amazed at how god made cats and dogs to be able to bond so closely with humans.

190 realwest  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:45:13pm

re: #182 MissLL

re: #165 experiencedtraveller


re: #123 1389

re: #18 Sharmuta

McCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- --
McCain may have made mistakes, but he sure paid his dues - several years in the Hanoi Hilton, when he could've gotten out earlier if he had denounced the United States, which he never did. Instead he still has pain every day from all those years of torture. Not a phony to me at all.


I don't think Sharmuta would, for one moment, hesitate to thank John McCain for serving his nation with such courage and dignity and at a fearsome personal price. But having said that, I also see him the way Sharmuta does. I'm a fellow Vietnam Vet and I'm proud to call him my brother, but I wouldn't vote for him - I don't think he's a nutcase, and I do believe his elevator goes to the top, but he's not a conservative and not really a Republican. Plus he always seems to want the "diplomatic" solution to everything and you know, sometimes diplomacy has to give way to a very unfortunate reality: War. And I'm afraid to say this, but I think "war" was beaten out of John McCain by those motherfucking North Vietnamese. I don't think John McCain could ever bring himself to send American Troops in Harm's way.

191 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:45:13pm

re: #183 realwest

i know what you mean abt. no place like home. i've been here since '84 and am nearing the end of my "tour of duty". tho my husband and daughter do not feel that way. i'll go for afew more yrs. but we will be leaving. i'm just a hill billy at heart. i never quit fit in here. tho i will be eternally thankful that i came to ny. and i know what you mean abt that fast clip, i can out walk anybody, any where. lol

192 nyc redneck  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:48:06pm

re: #188 tommygum

Rain of Lead: I know how you feel. I had to put my Lab down last year after 17 and a half years of that special canine love. Her replacement softened the blow in time.

wow, l7 and 1/2 years. that's a miracle. you are a lucky person w/ a lucky dog.

193 MissLL  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:55:04pm

re: #190 realwest

re: #182 MissLL

re: #165 experiencedtraveller


re: #123 1389


re: #18 SharmutaMcCain is a phony Republican, a phony conservative, and a genuine nutcase. His elevator definitely does not go to the top floor.

---------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------- --
McCain may have made mistakes, but he sure paid his dues - several years in the Hanoi Hilton, when he could've gotten out earlier if he had denounced the United States, which he never did. Instead he still has pain every day from all those years of torture. Not a phony to me at all.


I don't think Sharmuta would, for one moment, hesitate to thank John McCain for serving his nation with such courage and dignity and at a fearsome personal price. But having said that, I also see him the way Sharmuta does. I'm a fellow Vietnam Vet and I'm proud to call him my brother, but I wouldn't vote for him - I don't think he's a nutcase, and I do believe his elevator goes to the top, but he's not a conservative and not really a Republican. Plus he always seems to want the "diplomatic" solution to everything and you know, sometimes diplomacy has to give way to a very unfortunate reality: War. And I'm afraid to say this, but I think "war" was beaten out of John McCain by those motherfucking North Vietnamese. I don't think John McCain could ever bring himself to send American Troops in Harm's way.

___________________________________-

McCain would also not be my choice for President, and I do think he wants to be liked by the liberals way too much and has alienated a lot of Republicans. But I'm not sure that McCain, if put to the test, would shrink back from sending American troops in where needed.

Also, just giving him kudos for withstanding all those years of torture. I admire him for that.

194 Starboard list  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:57:56pm

Re: #186 rain of lead

Isn't that the way it's supposed to be?! I'm always amazed at how easily we're trained to do their bidding......and the lengths we go to please them. And yet, we go so much more in return.

195 Starboard list  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:04:20pm

Sorry about that.................I actually did preview it before posting. Should be
And yet we get so much more in return.

196 MissLL  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:07:38pm

re: #193 MissLL

P.S. Realwest, just wanted to say thanks for your service.

197 Crusader Rabbit  Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:16:32pm

re: #1 experiencedtraveller

That settles it. Guiliani is the man. I hope he makes room for McCain somewhere.

I reccommend John McCain for Ambassador to Uranus.

198 restitutor orbis  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:00:46am

Oh yeah, and another thing. I won't vote for a candidate that has never served in the military. Can't give up 4 years to serve? Tough shit.....you lose my vote. Time was, leaders cut their teeth in the military. Not any more. And believe me, politicians aren't made in a day. These people know well in advance that they will be in public service.

199 NYCRepublican  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:42:22am

Three of my proudest moments as a New Yorker are:

1) Rudy smacking race-baiters Sharpton and Mason within weeks of taking office. The story is here.

2) Rudy tosses Arafat out of Lincoln Center. Brings tears to my eyes whenever I think of it. Rudy was a US Attorney investigating the Klinghoffer murder aboard the Achille Lauro. "I don't forget," he said, when asked why he dissed Yassar.

3) Rudy tears up the $10M Saudi check.

Sadly, however, he will never win over the Christian Right, the so-called SoCons. It is their right to vote their conscience, and Rudy's stance on abortion and guns is going to torpedo what I think could have been the most important Presidency since Ronald Reagan.

The war with Islamo-Fascists will be won or lost in the next 8 years, and they are prepared to hand it to Hillary.

200 steveoh  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:04:37am

Wow. This thread is titled Rudy is no W. This I am certain of. In the days following the death of my best on the 105th floor of Cantor Fitzgerald by islamofascist wahhabist supporters, otherwise known as the Saudi's, Rudi threw that check for 10 mil in his face. Rudy if not stricken by cancer would have crushed Hillary in the race for the New York Senate Seat in 2000. All of the polls showed him winning handily. His battle with cancer put Hillary on this path to the white house.

The support that W receives on this thread is sometimes as absurd as the moonbats support for groups like Hezbollah and Hamas. W's family has been in bed with the wahabbist gov't's for years. it will take a man of conviction to face the challenge of Islamic fascism in the coming years. One who understands the maniacs intent on fighting proxy wars, funded by terrorist states such as Iran, Saudi Arabia, Syria ect.... W and his dad have been in their back pockets for years. His dad was, Baker was the whole lot. (Just read that 9/11 report. Israel this, Israel that. What crap.

Folks out there on the religious right, have no fear, Rudy's record on cleaning up New York was, at times painful for me to swallow being a socially liberal New Yorker, but in hindsight he created a safer, economically stronger New York City. (he'll give you you're Clarence Thomas', don't worry) This in the most multi cultural city in the world. I have been a lifelong democrat raised by a WWII vet who believed in the GI Bill, Social Security, and other liberal social programs. The world has changed dramatically since then. I find some things about Rudy tough to swallow. but they more likely won't be looked at kindly on this sight. These views come from coexisting and finding middle ground with my liberal friends. One issue I NEVER bend on is the fight against islamofascism, and it's 60 plus year connection to the theories of the Nazi party. On this point Rudy has our back in a way Bush and his crew never did. Rudy may be the only candidate with the "balls" to get the US back on track fighting it's enemies. W and crew have done serious serious damage by kissing ass to there wealthy Arab business partners. He wants his cake and has been eating it too. Place the blame where it needs to be. Bush screwed up by being irrevocably tied to the greatest terrorist supporters in the world. I don't believe Rudy will blink in the eyes of these murders and their support of terrorism. It may cost us $5.00 a gallon oil for awhile, but given the sacrifices so many have made over the years fighting fascism, is this really to high a price for us to pay?

Just my early morning thoughts, here from the Big Apple. Good day all!

201 marge45b  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:04:28am

re: #81 Dad O' Blondes
Rudy is the one! I had a feeling that day on 9/11 Rudy would be our President one day. I pray he beats Hillary.

202 TMF  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:33:37am

Wow, I wish a "major" magazine repeated my talking points and smears of my opponents verbatim, at no cost, diseminating my propaganda as "news"

Dean/Emanuel/McAuliffe must be pleased.

SEIG HIEL MEIN FUHRERS!

203 TMF  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:36:08am

By the way, no exaggeration- the local philly "free" newspaper has a pic of Rudy with a Hitler mustache, ripping on him for pandering by making a campaign stop at Genos cheesesteaks

Funny, WHen John S. Qerie did the same thing, they werent as appalled

Cheesesteaks=Hitler in the world of the derangedly retarded moonbat

Expect more Guiliani=Hitler stuff as the campagin progresses, and puff pieces on the pantsuit bitch phony

If I were italian, id be outraged.

204 ducktrapper  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:52:00am

So ... no candidate's any good, they're all on someone's payroll and still you gotta pick one. Hmmm, Ron Paul anyone?

205 FrogMarch  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:52:32am

TIME and Newsweek are part of the GET-HILLARY-ELECTED DNC State run biased one-way street media.

Time and Newsweek are a joke.

206 opinionated  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:16:07am

In 1980 everything was going to Hell.

The Iranians were holding us hostage. The Soviets were on a triumphant trajectory. The economy was a mess.

We had an incompetent in the White House.

Reagan was indispensable to turning EVERYTHING thing around. No other candidate running at the time would have succeeded as Reagan in reversing our decline.

In 2008, we face challenges at least as great as in 1980.

In 2008, Giuliani is that indispensable man we must have to put things right. He proved he has the ability in NYC to do political miracles while slaying Liberals.

207 azul93gt  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:45:24am

"F" you, Time & Newsweak. I support GWB!

Wanna talk about failed retreads? Let's look at Sandy Berger et al.

208 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 8:02:40am
209 Psychobarb  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 8:20:36am

Steveoh:

I lost my attempt to post so I will write it AGAIN. You are correct Guiliani shows guts in the war against terror but off base about Bush. Like you I was raised a liberal in NY with Dad a WWII vet, parents and friends lionzied FDR and NO ONE, not ONE of them voted for Bush.

Don't kid yourself, while Bush cozies up to the Saudis, Bubbah Clinton and the excreble Jimmuh have taken in plenty of Wahabbi cash to build their libaries and "think tanks." I think Bush showed guts going against his father's thinking and in his support for Israel, particularly Sharon, though yes, I admit, somtimes Rice sounds like a Clinton administration re-tread.

The fact is GW has changed the world; there are right of center goverments in Germany and France and for the first time in our lifetimes, Israel is not seen as th only problem in the Mid East and is actually joining hands with the Arabs to defeat the Jihadis.

I believe history will show Bush was a transformative president allowing someone like Rudy, (dear Lord, not Hillary) to get in. He has almost as much baggage as she does so I don't think it is a shoo-in by a long shot.

My thoughts. Oh, we will prevail, the Jihadis are on the wane in Iraq, Israel will kick ass if she has to;

G-d bless American and keep her. Amen.

210 opinionated  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 8:37:40am

re: #209 Psychobarb

Bush had a chance to change the World for the positive, it is why many of us enthusiastically voted for him in 2004. He bungled the job- badly.

It is exactly Pipes' point- with which I agree- that at the crucial time- Bush went with the wrong advice.

Rice remaining in office is proof.

God help us that he is followed with a President who has the ability to correct Bush's mistakes.

211 Axiom  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 9:21:32am

Newsweek left out Charles Hill. Last I heard he was in charge of the foreign policy experts advising Guliani.

212 dahozho  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 11:36:44am

The more I read about Guliani, and the team of advisors he's put together, the more inclined I am to throw my support his way.

Law firm representations aside, I think he still has fewer bad financial marks than Hil.

213 Psychobarb  Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:02:19pm

#209 Opinionated:

All Presidents have the opportunity to change the world for the positive, as you write. My point is, Bush's tenure, even with the mistakes, will leave the world a better place than, certainly, it was on September 10. 2001.


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