How Low Can the New York Times Go?
Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 9:49:41 pm PDT
The New York Times airs a commercial for Iraqi terrorists. Yes, really.
You have to see it to believe it: Op-Ed: Know Thine Enemy.
(Hat tip: Judith.)
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Wed, Oct 17, 2007 at 9:49:41 pm PDT
The New York Times airs a commercial for Iraqi terrorists. Yes, really.
You have to see it to believe it: Op-Ed: Know Thine Enemy.
(Hat tip: Judith.)
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:52:52pm |
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
At what depth is the lowest level of hell?
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mbruce Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:53:34pm |
I do believe that their fearless leader is an enemy, no longer even giving a whit about the stock or this country.He plans on going down in flames and taking anyone else he can wtih him.
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JeffinSac Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:53:58pm |
No wonder their stock is tanking. I wonder if they are going to be turning to a Middle East buyer soon because no US person is going to want to own stock in this company.
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konservo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:54:27pm |
The jihadis over at C&L are praising this video!
But we already knew what side they were on.
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RedPepper Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:55:25pm |
It is becoming more and more difficult to distinguish reality from a South Park skit ...
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swampscott Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:56:19pm |
I, as an American Jewish Republican, will NEVER buy that P.O.S. rag again!
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maddogg Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:56:23pm |
re: #1 WayDownSouthInBama
Dial-up. Grrrrr!
You haven't missed anything except an opportunity to spit up bile.
I cannot remember, did they do some spots for Hitler, Mussolini, and the Imperial Japanese Command from '41-45?
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ctrlL Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:56:40pm |
This might be construed as a (unsuccessful) cardiac massage in the ER.
LOL
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:58:03pm |
Well, all during the Kosovo War the New York Slimes was shilling for Clinton's war on behalf of the jihadist/narcoterrorists and against the Christian Serbs.
This is evil, to be sure, but it is NOT NEW.
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Kaitian868 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:58:41pm |
It claims in the video that Sanchez came out against the war when that's false. Sanchez came out against the reporters that posted a negative view of the war. Obviously they're not going to come honest on this point.
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Americano Wed, Oct 17, 2007 9:59:08pm |
If you're having a poll, mark my vote for "lower than whale poo on the bottom of the ocean" and "Ron Paul"
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maddogg Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:00:06pm |
The left has no morality, as morality is born of religion. They have convenient (and disposable) principals they place on parade and call morality, but when you don't know the difference, its all the same.
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Radar G Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:00:28pm |
wow, MoveOn must be pissed-these guys got their ad run for FREE!
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siiras Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:00:29pm |
Well, this is the newspaper that gave jihadis a heads up on their front page of an American government program that was successfully tracing them through their financial transactions. The NYT knowingly sabotaged this program and allowed the enemy to elude capture.
Why the editorial board was not tried on charges of treason, I will never understand.
This fawning piece of crap should be entitled "Identify with your enemy". Jihadis are laughing at the Grey Lady doing their work for them, and not charging them a penny!
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:00:56pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
At what depth is the lowest level of hell?
Ah but then they'll hit bottom and dig.
I suspect we ain't seen nothin yet and that they will support nuclear Iran within a week.
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experiencedtraveller Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:01:09pm |
The stock price will fall if other investment houses dump their holdings(which they probably will) but may then rise upon a private reorganization. That all depends on the dividends.
/Thats just money tho...nothing but an editorial heart transplant saves them...
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The Shadow Do Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:01:30pm |
re: #4 JeffinSac
No wonder their stock is tanking. I wonder if they are going to be turning to a Middle East buyer soon because no US person is going to want to own stock in this company.
Actually a purchase by Dubai or somesuch would be perfect. At least it would throw up a question mark for some folks out there who would never think to question The Times otherwise.
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:02:35pm |
The Iraqi insurgency was set up ahead of time by Saddam Hussein, in collaboration with various AQ and other jihadists, many of them from other countries. The whole point was so that, if Saddam Hussein's regime were to be overturned, the jihadists would wreak havoc in revenge.
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lookingup Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:03:00pm |
The unasked question is: where are all the moderates?
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pegcity Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:03:19pm |
Know Thine enemy
Oh we here all know you NYT jihadists are the enemy, but thanks for telling the world.
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Attaboid Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:03:22pm |
"I'm a shia"
"I can't kill my wife..."
really?
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:03:42pm |
re: #21 The Shadow Do
I have to wonder how much NYT stock was already bought and paid for by petrodollars.
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JeremyR Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:04:37pm |
re: #1 WayDownSouthInBama
I know how you feel. I'm often tempted to post a "first, damn dial up" about an hour into a thread, but believe Charles would get upset.
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:05:18pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
How Low Can the New York Times Go?At what depth is the lowest level of hell?
Negative infinity... a perfectly valid mathematical concept
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So? Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:05:28pm |
I think each NY Times issue should be wrapped and sold in a burqua
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JeremyR Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:05:42pm |
re: #2 Sharmuta
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
At what depth is the lowest level of hell?
When they hit rock bottom, they will start chiseling deeper.
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The Shadow Do Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:06:10pm |
re: #26 1389
re: #21 The Shadow Do
I have to wonder how much NYT stock was already bought and paid for by petrodollars.
The propaganda has been absolutely free to date. No investment incentive there.
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SpartanWoman Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:06:34pm |
re: #30 Old Tanker
Can we question their patriotism NOW?
Of course not, treachery is patriotic, ask Damascus Nan Pelosi
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mountain Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:06:45pm |
If you go to the "Meeting Resistance" website, you'll see a quote from Sidney Blumenthal praising the film. You'll also see that one of the awards it won was a Golden Award from the 2007 Al Jazeera International Documentary Film Festival. That tells you all you need to know about this film.
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pegcity Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:06:55pm |
re: #31 avideditorla.com
Yeah it was amazing, terrorists hate imagination, anything that dosent involve memorzing the koran and putting your ass in the air 5 times a day is Haram.
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meMarc Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:07:36pm |
Love to know who put up the money to get this thing made.
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:07:53pm |
re: #9 maddogg
I had to stop watching part way through. I'd seen enough enemy propaganda.
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JeremyR Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:08:27pm |
re: #36 SpartanWoman
re: #30 Old Tanker
Can we question their patriotism NOW?
Of course not, treachery is patriotic, ask Damascus Nan Pelosi
I thought her name was Damascus Nancy P. Lousy. Or weren't you talking about the screecher of the house.
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little blessing Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:08:34pm |
Do they print the paper in Arabic?
They'd probably get a wider audience.
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Steffan Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:10:23pm |
Well, as always, they hit bottom and keep on digging.
I sent them an email that I am willing to bet they won't print. In it, I accuse them of being the most anti-American paper, and I said:
If the anti-sedition laws that the Koskidz frown upon were truly in force, you would have been shut down five years ago. As it is, we can depend on the NYT to adopt any theme that will denigrate the United States. Under Abraham Lincoln, Woodrow Wilson, or Franklin D. Roosevelt, you would already be in jail.
And you and your idiot buds think GWB is worse than Hitler? Give me a break.
I've got five bucks that says they won't print what I told them. :p
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:10:33pm |
re: #34 JeremyR
re: #2 Sharmuta
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
At what depth is the lowest level of hell?When they hit rock bottom, they will start chiseling deeper.
They have, and they are.
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Geepers Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:11:19pm |
Interesting that they mention General Sanchez in the beginning.
Let's listen to the his words:
“Unfortunately, I have issued ultimatums to some of you for unscrupulous reporting that was solely focused on supporting your agenda and preconceived notions of what our military had done.”
“Almost invariably, my perception is that the sensationalistic value of these assessments is what provided the edge that you seek for self aggrandizement or to advance your individual quest for getting on the front page with your stories.”
“As I understand it, your measure of worth is how many front page stories you have written and unfortunately some of you will compromise your integrity and display questionable ethics as you seek to keep America informed.”
“It seems that as long as you get a front page story there is little or no regard for the ‘collateral damage’ you will cause. Personal reputations have no value and you report with total impunity and are rarely held accountable for unethical conduct.”
“The speculative and often uninformed initial reporting that characterizes our media appears to be rapidly becoming the standard of the industry.”
“Other major challenges are your willingness to be manipulated by ‘high level officials’ who leak stories and by lawyers who use hyperbole to strengthen their arguments. Your unwillingness to accurately and prominently correct your mistakes and your agenda-driven biases contribute to this corrosive environment.”
“All of these challenges combined create a media environment that does a tremendous disservice to America. Over the course of this war, tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats for America because of the tremendous power and impact of the media and by extension, you, the journalist. In many cases, the media has unjustly destroyed the individual reputations and carriers of those involved.”
“When you assume that you are correct and on the moral high ground on a story, because we have not responded to questions you provided, is [sic] the ultimate arrogance and distortion of ethics. One of your highly-respected fellow journalists once told me that there are some amongst you who ‘feed from a pig’s trough’. If that is who I am dealing with, then I will never respond, otherwise we will both get dirty, and the pig will love it. This does not mean your story is accurate.”
“All are victims of the massive agenda-driven competition for economic or political supremacy. The death knell of your ethics has been enabled by your parent organizations who have chosen to align themselves with political agendas. What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war...For some of you, just like some of our politicians, the truth is of little-to-no value if it does not fit your own pre-conceived notions, biases and agendas.”
Funny that Molly and Steve didn't mention any of those ain't it?
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Dead Sea Squirrel Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:11:36pm |
That thing actually implies that if we just packed up and left, Iraq would be this peaceful paradise of happily coexisting Sunnis and Shias.
Statistics throughout come from a BBC/ABC poll. Trust them?
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William Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:11:52pm |
The NY Times servers must be swamped, these links seems to work though:
Windows Media Format
[Link: www.crooksandliars.com...]
Quicktime Format
[Link: www.crooksandliars.com...]
And how des one tell "ordinary citizens" from baathists and muslim terrorists? Too much 'political correctness' in our society, clean that place up -- pretend we're fighting a war.
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eastvillageinfidel Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:12:02pm |
Every month or so I get a letter from the NYT begging me to subscribe. I take it straight to the garbage in back and I DON"T recycle it. So there, NYT!
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capitalist piglet Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:12:56pm |
Anti-American propaganda - they're not even attempting to be subtle about it. Lovely. Can we swear here?
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:12:56pm |
re: #50 song_and_dance_man
The NYT are thug hugging self serving whine ridden slant producing hate slouching mammon groping muffer loving motherfathers.
All the "news" that isn't fit to put on the bottom of a vulture cage...
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mountain Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:13:00pm |
From the FAQ section of their site, it looks like this was filmed between August 2003 and June 2004. So it's a little bit out of date.
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Old Tanker Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:13:04pm |
re: #48 William
And how des one tell "ordinary citizens" from baathists and muslim terrorists? Too much 'political correctness' in our society, clean that place up -- pretend we're fighting a war.
I'm sure it's because they TOLD them so......
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The Shadow Do Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:13:34pm |
re: #46 Geepers
That is probably the most misreported news stories I have seen. Ever.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:13:44pm |
OT Terrorists blew up imagination land on South Park!
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:14:15pm |
Got all of 36 seconds into that crap before I had to pull the plug.
No one will ever be able to adequately describe the reasons for the Times hatred of America, and Israel.
We tolerate this crap because we are Americans, and blessed by the First Amendment to the Constitution. That's also, coincidently, the reason we allow islam in our midst.
Larry Flynt, once said something to the effect that "if ya want free speech, ya gotta put up with me." That's even more true regarding the Times.
Hustler, is still thriving, I believe, owing, no doubt, to it's abundance of naked women, while the Times is withering on the vine because of its abundance of naked bias, and hatred.
FOOK 'EM!
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:15:07pm |
In a video Op-Ed by documentary filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors, Iraqis explain the roots of the insurgency.
Molly Bingham's bio says she was the Goracle's photographer.
From 1998 through 2001 Bingham worked as Official Photographer to the Office of the Vice President of the United States.
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:15:29pm |
Damn, that was persuasive. I'm scrapping my rifle and putting my uniforms on e-Bay. See y'all Friday at the mosque.
/Fifth Columnists- thrice-damned traitorous spawn of syphilitic dogs
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meMarc Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:15:30pm |
"100% of those polled disapproved of attacks on Iraqi civilians."
Who the hell did they poll. Pigeons? What about the guy who was out of focus. Guess they never got around to polling him. You have to be seriously deranged to be swayed by this insurgent advertorial.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:15:40pm |
I think the nyt will:
1) be shocked to learn there is a hell
and
2) be shocked to see it populated with so many of their favorite people
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1389 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:16:23pm |
re: #59 SeafoodGumbo
In a video Op-Ed by documentary filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors, Iraqis explain the roots of the insurgency.
Molly Bingham's bio says she was the Goracle's photographer.From 1998 through 2001 Bingham worked as Official Photographer to the Office of the Vice President of the United States.
That explains a lot right there!
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Carol Herman Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:16:31pm |
Drudge, today, supplied the headline: Morgan Stanley dumped their stock. They had had a 20% share. And, they had also gone public, before they took this action, that they had asked the family to turn the stock into one that could be VOTED ON. Instead? The "family" of pinch, the idiot in charge, is one of nine family members. They won't be happy till what they have is sold at auction.
As to the "ad" ...
Is this worse than Petraeus? And, how they made his name into DEMOCRAPS BETRAY US? Because that's what happened when it boomeranged.
If Bush wasn't set on his "right of return" for the palestinians; and his creation of a terrorist state; his own poll numbers wouldn't be so down in the dumps. But he's back to exercising himself at "square one."
I don't think this favors Hillary, either.
Didn't they also get caught giving Move.On a "discount" for the Petraeus ad?
Meanwhile, Petraeus became much more publicly known. And, for the most part, influenced many Americans that he's a terrific general.
By the way, just as stuff travels on the Net; today at InstaPundit was an interesting factoid. Again, we are not in Vietnam, anymore! Officers are no longer FRAGGED!
Yes, I remember Mort Sahl coming out on stage. With the newspaper tucked under his arm. Referring to the headline (back in the late 1960's) ... so you know we were in Vietnam. And, he said:
The Pentagon is complaining that there are too many officers being fragged. And, he added: So what's the acceptable number?
Once the draft got flushed; which is worth thanking Nixon for! We became a country with a volunteer army. And, officers are not being fragged, now, at all.
I'd bet the Shi'a in Irak are still in 3rd place. It seems the arabs (sunni and shia, gambled on the wrong horses. And, Petraeus, with the surge, (and also demolishing Ramadi FIRST, so no snipers had a safe haven in which to "hang out." Got the sunnis to turn. And, to support being trained by the USA. Of course, you know the Kurds always had this. Always had security. And, are building their part of Iraq, like gangbusters.
The other number? We're matching the electricity output that Saddam supplied. Sure. It can get better. But it is on par with what the NY Times would call "Iraq's utopia."
The NYT is a very poorly run paper.
The Morgan Staney dump is disasterous for them, too. But they don't have economists who can fathom that fact.
Soon, the really bad news catches up with pinch. "C" students don't make great leaders. Family connections doesn't breed talent. Ditto for bush.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:17:07pm |
I was once offered a copy of the nyt for free.
I said, "I'm sorry. I don't have a pet bird."
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GregInSeattle Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:17:41pm |
Give me a break... if the Americans leave there will be peace? Then how do they explain that when 30,000 more Americans appeared (the surge) violence went down?
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capitalist piglet Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:18:03pm |
re: #61 meMarc
I'd like to see the breakdown of their so-called "polls". I'd like to see how the questions were worded, and where they took their samples from.
I'm so livid right now. We have to do something about this.
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nyc redneck Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:19:42pm |
get this folks: i quit reading it in the mid '80's. before i even knew anything abt. poilitics, i dumped the nyt. call me psychic.
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earth56 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:19:43pm |
re: #8 swampscott
I used to sell papers for 30 years and even before the Iraq War I would say that The Wall Street Journal has far exceeded the NYT by 18 touchdowns.
The NYT editorial board has been sinking in slime for a pretty long time and I wouldn't be surprised if they are being supported in the past several years by Soros or some other Islamo-Facist-Marxist dung
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:20:24pm |
OT from the last thread, but only slightly
(thieves in disguise)
Barry Hussein Obama was on Leno tonight. The guy is sorta smart, very personable, and a raving moonbat (cradle-to-grave socialism, no civil rights under the 2nd Amendment, etc.). Along the way, in one of several swipes at President Bush, Obama implied that the President is not sober. He also referred to Alberto Gonzales' shredding of the Constitution. I've heard that a lot this week, and still can't figure out what the hell that refers to in the real world.
Leno asked him about the President's already-mischaracterized comment about the likelihood of World War III if Iran gets nukes. Obama hit all the Kerry-esque talking points about diplomacy, world pressure on Iran, and the need for foreign consensus on U.S. actions. He also stated that we have a war in Afghanistan, a war in Iraq, and are stretched too thin for another war.
Barry, words have meaning. We are not in multiple wars. We are in one War.
Afghanistan, Iraq, Israel, and other battle zones are not wars, they are campaigns in a much larger war. This distinction seems to be lost on most of the MSM, a large portion of Congress, pretty much the whole of Hollyweird, and a largish chunk of the public.
[Link: herbertsobel.blogspot.com...]
Yeah, Barry, we're stretched thin. The Army is capped at about 450,000 total soldiers at the moment, by Act of Congress. We had more than that in Viet Nam alone in the late '60s at the height of that war.
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:23:00pm |
re: #60 American Soldier
Damn, that was persuasive. I'm scrapping my rifle and putting my uniforms on e-Bay. See y'all Friday at the mosque.
/Fifth Columnists- thrice-damned traitorous spawn of syphilitic dogs
What? No exclamation point? Is this your kinder, gentler side?
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:24:41pm |
You have to see it to believe it:
Wow. Even I am blown away by this ad and the documentary it promotes.
It's as if these filmmakers are propagandists for the Islamists. Not even "as if" -- they are propagandists for the Islamists. I've never seen anything like it. A cross between Leni Reifenstahl and Vidkun Quisling.
These people aren't even traitors to America. They are traitors to human decency.
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Geepers Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:24:51pm |
The Shadow Do (#56),
That is probably the most misreported news stories I have seen. Ever.
Yes.
And by not reporting what he said about their agenda driven bias but only what he said about mistake being made, it's the perfect example of quod erat demonstrandum.
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:27:04pm |
re: #75 M. Bensson-Levi
re: #60 American Soldier
Damn, that was persuasive. I'm scrapping my rifle and putting my uniforms on e-Bay. See y'all Friday at the mosque./Fifth Columnists- thrice-damned traitorous spawn of syphilitic dogs
What? No exclamation point? Is this your kinder, gentler side?
I don't think I got one o' them.
Been awake two days, don't have enough enthusiam for exclamation points. Just thoroughly pissed off at the traitors in this country.
Owe you an e-mail, will try to get to it later today.
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GregInSeattle Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:30:43pm |
re: #79 American Soldier
I'm from Seattle, so you'll have to forgive me...
Don't let your anger consume you. That's too much like our friends at the NYT, Code Pink and Olberman. Save your energy, we'll definitely need you around when things really start hitting the fan...
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:32:04pm |
Oh wait, the ad was the documentary. I was mistaken. After wacthing it all the way to the end, I see that the "op-ed" is the sum total of the presentation.
Good. Any longer and I would have had to buy a new computer, as this one would have become airborne through the nearest window.
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siiras Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:32:13pm |
re: #49 eastvillageinfidel
Every month or so I get a letter from the NYT begging me to subscribe. I take it straight to the garbage in back and I DON"T recycle it. So there, NYT!
If it comes with a self-addressed return envelope with pre-paid postage, mail it back to them with your refusal so it costs them.
If they were inundated with refusals stating the reasons why...that would be worth even paying the postage yourself if need be. They need to be called over and over again on the garbage they put out.
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:32:49pm |
One of the high spots of my career to date was smashing an ABC minicam in Chicago. With only a few exceptions (the Michael Yons and Joe Galloways of the world) I have little regard for journalists, filmakers, and their ilk.
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Bobibutu Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:33:55pm |
re: #77 zombie
Oh dear - we missed you in Berkeley today or did we?
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:34:17pm |
re: #13 Attaboid
Stop that eerie asian music. please.
Do note the credits are the end where it says the music was done by a self-hating Jew.
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Jimmah Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:34:44pm |
These 'insurgents' spend most of their time deliberately killing Iraqis and screwing their country up any way they can think of. Shame on the NYT for fawning over them like this.
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NY Nana Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:34:55pm |
re: #77 zombie
Spot-on. I could not watch the whole thing...I.hate.al-NY Slimes.
They are the enemy.
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William Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:35:04pm |
According to this crockumentary, I kid you not:
* "the administration's incompetence [sic] turned the venture [sic] into a failure"
* "the power [sic] of the insurgency doomed the occupation from the start"
* "This conclusion is based on recent Iraqi public opinion surveys by the BBC"
The first point is a John Kerry/DNC/Bin Laden talking point.
These points are reality based on an opinion poll?
Also, the propaganda film is titled "Meeting Resistance" -- as in the jihadis and bathists killing civilians and school children en masse are referred to as "resistance."
Kooks.
And the NY Times, Walter Duranty lives on in most of the staff.
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:35:32pm |
re: #81 GregInSeattle
re: #79 American Soldier
I'm from Seattle, so you'll have to forgive me...
Don't let your anger consume you. That's too much like our friends at the NYT, Code Pink and Olberman. Save your energy, we'll definitely need you around when things really start hitting the fan...
The Colonel: All that hate's gonna burn you up, kid.
Robert: It keeps me warm.
-Red Dawn, 1984
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Render Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:36:11pm |
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:36:13pm |
re: #22 1389
The Iraqi insurgency was set up ahead of time by Saddam Hussein, in collaboration with various AQ and other jihadists, many of them from other countries. The whole point was so that, if Saddam Hussein's regime were to be overturned, the jihadists would wreak havoc in revenge.
I tend to agree with that.
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:36:46pm |
Here's the poster for this wretched terrorist propaganda.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:39:24pm |
re: #39 meMarc
Love to know who put up the money to get this thing made.
What I would like to see is the "making of" documentary about the documentary, that shows the fawning and groveling that these filmmakers must have done to get these interviews: "We are on your side! We hate American too! Help us destroy America from within!"
"OK, infidel, I promise to kill you last."
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MrC_5150 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:40:41pm |
re: #88 zombie
re: #13 Attaboid
Stop that eerie asian music. please.
Do note the credits are the end where it says the music was done by a self-hating Jew.
Dick Horowitz.... I saw that too.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:41:51pm |
re: #50 song_and_dance_man
The NYT are thug hugging self serving whine ridden slant producing hate slouching mammon groping muffer loving motherfathers.
And they wear itsy-bitsy teeny-weeny yellow polka-dot burqinis.
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maddogg Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:41:57pm |
re: #95 SeafoodGumbo
Here's the poster for this wretched terrorist propaganda.
Caption: What would you do if America was invaded?
I would be partial to killing jihadis, with leftists as tempting collateral damage (oops).
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jwbaumann Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:42:32pm |
They have morals and intellect below that of masturbating monkeys.
I thought one of the big gripes about the western powers was that they created these artificial, inherently unstable countries out of the remains of the Ottoman empire. Yet the NooYorkSlimes expects us to believe that Iraqis are deeply patriotic and that is why they want us out? Puh-leeze.
Iraqis don't care about anything until the "occupation" ends? Tell that to the purple fingers.
Two thirds of Iraqis believe our departure would not lead to a broader civil war? I'd like to peer review their methods on that tidbit.
Plus I couldn't hear any sound, so they don't even know how to post a video online.
This is just crap.
The NYT needs to go financially bankrupt - they're already bankrupt in every other way.
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:43:02pm |
re: #67 capitalist piglet
Just luv your nic. It's so dainty!
;)
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LaMano Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:43:31pm |
The day will not come too soon when the last shovel of dirt is laid on the remains that was the NYT.
Bassteerds.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:43:32pm |
re: #54 mountain
From the FAQ section of their site, it looks like this was filmed between August 2003 and June 2004. So it's a little bit out of date.
Ahhhhhhh. That explains a lot. I'm sure most of the people interviewed in the film are now either dead or have gotten their visas to be refugees in America and are presently working at a Quik Stop in Alexandria Virginia.
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descolada9 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:44:26pm |
I wonder how much longer before the NYT has to file bankruptcy. No, not moral bankruptcy, that was a long time ago, I'm talking financial bankruptcy.
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superjhero Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:44:59pm |
"It all comes down to this".....If I lived in a country ruled by a sadistic murdering tyrant that has isolated himself from the rest of the world and brought nothing to the people but poverty and pain, while living a lifestyle beyond my wildest dreams, and I saw an Iraqi soldier riding on top waiving his gun promising freedom and opportunity, I would not only accept that, but I would shake his hand and thank him from the bottom of my heart and probably join him in the fight.
Suck on that New York Times! This game is easy.
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American Soldier Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:45:30pm |
Time for this Old Soldier to rack out. Later, all.
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Geepers Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:45:45pm |
William (#91),
And don't you love how they claim that there is no al Queda in Iraq?
This makes AQI's move to name themselves al Queda in Iraq a brilliantly deceptive move that has fooled even the most tenacious investigative journalist.
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:46:10pm |
re: #77 zombie
These people aren't even traitors to America. They are traitors to human decency.
/This statement bears repeating.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:47:58pm |
re: #80 avideditorla.com
re: #77 zombie
I can not agree with you more. But what can we do about it?
The simplest thing is to not buy the NY Times, do not click on any of their Web ads, do not buy their stock, and encourage others to do likewise.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:48:54pm |
re: #87 Bobibutu
re: #77 zombie
Oh dear - we missed you in Berkeley today or did we?
I wasn't there, but I did see all the reports on TV!
I seem to have missed some pretty good action!
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Yankee Division Son Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:49:02pm |
Oh look, the film won Gold at the 2007 Al-Jezeera international documentary film festival.
The NYT is already morally bankrupt, while also loosing subscribers in droves, financially bankrupt can't be far behind..
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:49:04pm |
re: #73 American Soldier
There is a real problem with the size of our armed forces that needs to be addressed. A professional, standing army( which we have ALWAYS had) is fine during times of relative peace, but must be greatly expanded( and ALWAYS has been, historically by conscription) during times of war. If the military is comprised only of volunteer, paid professionals, what does one do with them when the war/need is over? The military has to be able to expand and contract, as needed.
We need a much larger military for now, and the foreseeable future, and the ability to contract our military after the job is done.
As you are well aware, this need NOT be a long, and protracted war, if the WILL is there.
An involuntary draft, or an extensive ready reserve force, as in Israel, seem to be the only apparent solutions.
Too bad that Bush didn't call for two million volunteers on 9-12, 'cause he'd have gotten them, but that's water long gone. We need to act soon to resolve this problem.
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capitalist piglet Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:49:33pm |
re: #102 Irene NYC
re: #67 capitalist piglet
Just luv your nic. It's so dainty!
;)
Why, thank you! : ) (I can't say I'm feeling very dainty at the moment, however...I'm about ready to blow a gasket over this %*$#ing anti-American propaganda.)
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:50:57pm |
Any NY and DC lizards interested in questioning these traitors about their film?
NEW YORK LIZARDS!
New York, NY
Cinema Village, 22 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003
Q&A with producer Daniel J. Chalfen on Friday, October 19th following the 7:20 & 9:25pm showtimes.Q&A with directors Steve Connors & Molly Bingham on Saturday, October 20th following the 5:15, 7:20 and 9:25pm showtimes.
And on Sunday, October 21st following the 5:15 & 7:20pm showtimes.
WASHINGTON LIZARDS!
AMC Loews Dupont Circle 5, 1350 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036
* Q&A with directors Steve Connors & Molly Bingham on Friday, October 19th following the 7:00 and 9:00pm showtimes.
And on Monday October 22 - Thursday October 25 at 7pm daily
And check out where else it's playing already:
Marine Corps Base Quantico Tuesday, January 30th 2007
United States Military Academy
at Westpoint Monday, October 23rd 2006
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:51:05pm |
I'm imagining a hypothetical magic fairy land where whole media organzations can be put on trial for aiding and abetting terrorist groups. In this magic fairy land, the NYT offices are raided and all internal communications are seized.
I bet you'd find some interesting things in the intra-office e-mail.
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poovey1171 Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:51:36pm |
How freakin' treacherous! 60 Years ago they would have been hung by the neck in front of a firing squad!
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:52:49pm |
re: #117 poovey1171
How freakin' treacherous! 60 Years ago they would have been hung by the neck in front of a firing squad!
By the WHAT?
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:53:46pm |
Seeing things like this "documentary/op-ed" piece makes me so sad. I could cry for our country. At least once a day I find myself wondering, "What do I have in common with these people?" We don't have the same hopes, dreams or visions.
How much longer can our country last with such a terrible, terrible divide?
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Geepers Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:55:36pm |
SeafoodGumbo (#110),
"playing already" ---> "played already"
Well I think the best usage for this particular movie would be "being played."
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:55:52pm |
Seeing that this terrorist propaganda film was shown at West Point and Quantico reminds me that America-despiser and traitor Noam Chomsky gave a speech at West Point a year or two ago.
WTF?
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Barrypopik Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:56:43pm |
I just watched the video. It's awful--as anti-American as it gets. The NY Times will never show the horrors of Saddam Hussein, or anyone who appreciates getting rid of him.
Remember when every NYC newspaper--except the Times--ran an editorial on SEAL Michael Murphy, a local guy who won the Medal of Honor? Not only did the NY Times not write an editorial about him, there wasn't even a story about him. Not one word!
I wrote to the NY Times "Public Editor."
There has been no response.
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eastvillageinfidel Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:57:01pm |
re: #83 siiras
That's an interesting angle. Maybe I'll just scrawl " FUCK YOU, TRAITORS" in big red letters across the form.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:57:24pm |
re: #123 SeafoodGumbo
Seeing that this terrorist propaganda film was shown at West Point and Quantico reminds me that America-despiser and traitor Noam Chomsky gave a speech at West Point a year or two ago.
WTF?
I can only hope they paid him with money they all sneezed on.
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Idle Drifter Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:57:42pm |
NYT just doesn't get it along with the rest of their ilk. Winning in Iraq and Afghanistan doesn't mean a victory for President Bush or American culture. It means a victory for all peoples who embrace life over those that cherish death! The Islamic Fascists and the Socialists want to break our individuality, usurp our freewill, and bring us under the collectivist thinking that has bankrupt human potential. Free peoples have the right, God given and secular, to live our own lives without subjugation by tyrants. Freedom has a cost.
The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure." - Thomas Jefferson to William Stephens Smith, Paris, 13 Nov. 1787
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:58:56pm |
re: #123 SeafoodGumbo
Seeing that this terrorist propaganda film was shown at West Point and Quantico reminds me that America-despiser and traitor Noam Chomsky gave a speech at West Point a year or two ago.
WTF?
File under "Know your enemy".
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 10:59:34pm |
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
Horrid stock, setting a new 52 week low after Morgan Stanley dumped all it's shares yesterday, although it finished slightly off the intraday low at $18.43/..43.
3wood, an acknowledged, by me, expert, thought this might be a good shorting opportunity. Me, not a short sealer, thinks, be careful, the price is too low.
A. it goes to zero.
B. it gets gobbled up
C. it goes private.
/A. you could make 18 short points; B. and C., your short could get easily squeezed if you're not paying close attention and get caught off guard
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KingKenrod Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:00:28pm |
Looks like Molly was one of the early "the military is targeting the press" believers.
A choice quote:
And many American journalists often refer to those attacking Americans or Iraqi troops and policemen as "terrorists." Some are indeed using terrorist tactics, but calling them "terrorists" simply shuts down any sense of need or interest to look beyond that word, to understand why indeed human beings might be willing to die in a violent struggle to achieve their goal.
More here about her here:
[Link: www.techimo.com...]
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nyc redneck Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:00:32pm |
re: #115 SeafoodGumbo
Any NY and DC lizards interested in questioning these traitors about their film?
NEW YORK LIZARDS!
New York, NY
Cinema Village, 22 E 12th St, New York, NY 10003
Q&A with producer Daniel J. Chalfen on Friday, October 19th following the 7:20 & 9:25pm showtimes.Q&A with directors Steve Connors & Molly Bingham on Saturday, October 20th following the 5:15, 7:20 and 9:25pm showtimes.WASHINGTON LIZARDS!And on Sunday, October 21st following the 5:15 & 7:20pm showtimes.
AMC Loews Dupont Circle 5, 1350 19th St NW, Washington, DC 20036* Q&A with directors Steve Connors & Molly Bingham on Friday, October 19th following the 7:00 and 9:00pm showtimes.And check out where else it's playing already:
And on Monday October 22 - Thursday October 25 at 7pm dailyMarine Corps Base Quantico Tuesday, January 30th 2007United States Military Academy
at Westpoint Monday, October 23rd 2006
thank you. i'm going to go and question the traitors.
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Render Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:00:52pm |
Charles, if you get the chance, could you delete the post I reported in this thread?
BAD
FORM,
R
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lummox Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:01:21pm |
With Pinch at the helm, it won't be long until the paper loads it's delivery trucks and drives directly to the recycling center, where, they can at least get a return on their investment.
They've gone from wrapping fish, to sleeping with the fishes.
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:02:13pm |
I wonder what it's like to have no moral, ethical, or journalistic standards. Keep in mind that recently in Iraq it is Iraqi journalists al-qaeda has been murdering. The nyt is so low that, despite this, they have continued to wantonly promote these killers of their own peers. I now have to question if there is anyone they wouldn't sell down the river to promote their hatred for America. I bet they'd sell out their own mothers.
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:02:36pm |
re: #126 zombie
re: #123 SeafoodGumbo
Seeing that this terrorist propaganda film was shown at West Point and Quantico reminds me that America-despiser and traitor Noam Chomsky gave a speech at West Point a year or two ago.
WTF?
I can only hope they paid him with money they all sneezed on.
I'd hope they paid him in pennies taken from a crackhouse piggy bank that was used as a urinal for a few years.
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:02:39pm |
if a leftist american can support or condone the murder of innocent Balinese citizens by jihadis simply because the Balinese provide a vacation destination to Brits and Aussie and they in turn are fighting jihadis in the ME...then why cant I in my turn condone the killing of that leftist since I support those Brits and Aussies in their mission?....if the Balinese are to be targets then the leftist supporters of jihad become targets by their own logic...why cant they come to this conclusion?...do they have a death wish?...just sayin
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:02:57pm |
A NATION AT WAR: SURVIVORS; Journalists Tell of a Prison Filled With Screams
By ALAN FEUER
Published: April 3, 2003A day after their release from Iraqi custody, four Western journalists spoke for the first time publicly today about their incarceration in the Baghdad government's most notorious prison, saying they were exhausted by their eight-day ordeal but thrilled to have survived.
The four -- a correspondent and staff photographer from Newsday and two freelance photographers -- said they were not harmed by their captors but that they witnessed other prisoners being beaten.
''You could hear screams, mostly at night,'' said Matthew McAllester, 33, the Newsday reporter. ''They were beating prisoners in front of us, a yard or so away. I had to turn my back and lay looking at the walls.''
The journalists' accounts showed that the Abu Ghraib prison, 20 miles from Baghdad, had at least partly refilled. It was long a detention center for thousands of political as well as ordinary prisoners of the Hussein government, but was emptied last October when Mr. Hussein issued a blanket pardon after an election in which he was officially reported to have won 100 percent of the vote.
Mr. McAllester and the photographers -- Moises Saman, 29, of Newsday; Molly Bingham, 34, a freelancer who was the official photographer for Al Gore's presidential campaign; and Johan Spanner, 28, a Danish freelancer -- were arrested on March 25 at the Palestine Hotel in Baghdad. They said the secret police rousted them from their rooms, took their clothing, jewelry and watches and drove them to Abu Ghraib.
They said they were not informed about the accusations against them, but were asked -- politely, they said -- whether they were spies, where they had been, whom they had met and why they were in Baghdad.
Mr. McAllester and Mr. Saman had entered Iraq on visas granting them permission to write stories about peace activists who were working in the country. Ms. Bingham and Mr. Spanner came in on tourist visas. None of them had government minders, and they worked beyond the scope of their accreditation.
Molly must've lost her mind. She gets arrested by Saddam Hussein, thrown into Abu Ghraib, and then produces this propaganda piece?
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Render Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:04:05pm |
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Geepers Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:05:23pm |
KingKenrod (#130),From your link:
but calling them "terrorists" simply shuts down any sense of need or interest to look beyond that word, to understand why indeed human beings might be willing to die in a violent struggle to achieve their goal.
I'll give you a clue Molly, in this case it starts with an "I".
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:06:29pm |
re: #131 nyc redneck
thank you. i'm going to go and question the traitors.
Good for you! Many thanks!
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Render Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:06:29pm |
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:07:21pm |
re: #139 Geepers
I'll give you a clue Molly, in this case it starts with an "I".
Golly Geepers, didja have to use a capital I?
;)
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Tasty Beverage Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:08:33pm |
OT
Man, FOXNews really does want to kill off Red Eye, for some reason -- it was getting something like 300,000 viewers in its time slot, and they move it one hour forward into the truly dead of night.
They really did move it to 3 AM Eastern.
How stupid can you get? Do they really think people are going to tune-in in the same numbers for a Brit Hume re-run? To my knowledge TiVo still isn't covered in the ratings, so this might just play in someone's desire to see this show killed. It is the funniest show on TV. I actually stayed up to see if its "rescheduling" was true, and it is.
I hate the media.
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Render Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:09:32pm |
re: #139 Geepers
I have a second clue...
When somebody says they're going to kill you, believe them. You can worry about why after it's over.
But something tells me that we could tell her why, right to her face, and she still wouldn't believe it. Even if she understood it...
RIPLEY!,
R
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:11:12pm |
re: #122 Geepers
SeafoodGumbo (#110),
"playing already" ---> "played already"
Well I think the best usage for this particular movie would be "being played."
True dat. The filmmakers aren't dupes, though. They know exactly what they're doing.
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:12:19pm |
clearly in this new paradigm I'm surely going to have to learn to stand on my head and walk with my hands if I'm going to understand the new inverted rationale crammed down my throat...
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profitsbeard Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:14:44pm |
Morally bankrupt, heading for fiscally.
Soon, one hopes.
Allah's News That Fit To Print
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:16:44pm |
re: #147 profitsbeard
Allah's News That Fit To Print
Hey! An instant classic!
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:16:56pm |
re: #138 Render
You're right- their family, friends, peers... The only people they haven't knifed in the back are themselves. I think that's the definition of a malignant narcissist. Perhaps it's a prerequisite to employment at al-nyt.
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neocon hippie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:16:56pm |
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:17:32pm |
re: #143 Tasty Beverage
You know, I just noticed that it was Brit and not Red Eye (I'm used to watching them in reverse order). R. Lee Ermey was a guest yesterday. WTF?
/I guess they've pushed the envelope too far for FOX and now, ala Hunter Thompson, Red Eye is DOOMED, what a shame!
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:18:47pm |
re: #151 neocon hippie
OT:
My pics of today's Move America Forward vs Code Pink face-off in downtown Berkeley today
Enjoy!
OOOOhhh, I'l check it out now!
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Sharmuta Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:19:31pm |
re: #148 savage_nation
First of all- what a terrible thing to post. Second- you would do this over these *ssholes? They are clearly not worth it, and they probably wouldn't mind if you did. One less evil neo-con to worry about. So p*ss off al-nyt, and keep up the fight.
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:19:38pm |
Our soldiers in Iraq have even had to watch this crap.
The film and the filmmakers were brought to Baghdad by the military's Red Team — an organization whose sole mission is to present alternative views about the enemy to U.S. troops.This was the last in a series of films on insurgencies sponsored by the Red Team.
Also in the series were classics of war and fighting insurgencies, like Gillo Pontecorvos' 1966 "The Battle of Algiers," the 2004 documentary "Control Room" about Al Jazeera, the Arabic satellite channel and the views it transmitted about the U.S. war in Iraq; it even screened a western, Fred Zinnemann's 1952 film "High Noon," about a sheriff trying to bring order to a lawless town whose citizens are too afraid to lift a finger to help him.
"We are literally the devil's advocate," said Red Team leader Lt. Col. Jeff Ragland. "It doesn't make you a popular guy, but it's a necessary thing."
Necessary, said Ragland, because defeating an insurgency is about more than killing the bad guys. "If we were to kill every insurgent tomorrow, would we win? If we don't do something to the motivation and the root cause, we're not likely to defeat it."
As the Camp Victory screening let out, soldiers mingled and chatted inside the massive and lavishly decorated lobby of Faw Palace. As if on cue, a mortar round exploded nearby, a sharp reminder that the insurgents are still out there.
Again...wtf?
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:20:13pm |
re: #152 Killian Bundy
re: #143 Tasty Beverage
You know, I just noticed that it was Brit and not Red Eye (I'm used to watching them in reverse order). R. Lee Ermey was a guest yesterday. WTF?
/I guess they've pushed the envelope too far for FOX and now, ala Hunter Thompson, Red Eye is DOOMED, what a shame!
R. Lee is my guy...anyone see this?...what'd he have to say?
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:21:40pm |
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:23:53pm |
re: #147 profitsbeard
Morally bankrupt, heading for fiscally.
Soon, one hopes.
Allah's News That Fit To Print
Good one!
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Clemente Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:24:39pm |
In a video Op-Ed by documentary filmmakers Molly Bingham and Steve Connors, etc.This, is, is... just POOP!!
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:24:40pm |
re: #157 SeafoodGumbo
It would be funny if it weren't so sad. The Battle of Algiers? Didn't turn out quite the way people thought it would. How many people were murdered during their "civil war"? And what did they say about their insurgents again, something about they developed the most bestial torture ever?
Sick, sick, sick.
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:24:57pm |
re: #158 albusteve
R. Lee is my guy...anyone see this?...what'd he have to say?
He was promoting his "bring a veteran to school" initiative.
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Tasty Beverage Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:26:23pm |
#152 Killian
I guess they've pushed the envelope too far for FOX and now, ala Hunter Thompson, Red Eye is DOOMED, what a shame!
I am seething! This is obviously a political manouver, who the hell else draws a 300,000 audience at 2 AM ET/1 AM CT? And I TiVo the show, as do many others (obviously because of the time), so none of us are counted in the ratings. So some douchebag can point to the show in three months and say, "See? It's not getting an audience.", and then kill it.
And yes, all of us Red Eye fans know that some people think the show is stupid or "childish" or whatever. That's fine and you don't have to watch it. For me personally, and I assume other fans, it keeps us sane in a way, because it appeals to our inner-ten-year-old.
A sense of humor is imperative for survival.
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straitcircle Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:27:26pm |
Osama bin Laden has a son -- thanks Judith for the tip. Islamic Gobblesization
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:27:36pm |
re: #170 Killian Bundy
re: #158 albusteve
R. Lee is my guy...anyone see this?...what'd he have to say?
He was promoting his "bring a veteran to school" initiative.
rats...I was hoping for a lesson on how to sight in a Garand...thanks
rats
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MigueldowninMexico Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:29:41pm |
savage
Tasty Beverage says: a sense of humor is imperative for survival.
I agree.
Cheer up amigo. ;)
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:30:04pm |
re: #166 savage_nation
How the hell am I supposed to sleep when my country is burning down around me anyways?
savage,
It makes me burn too. But getting so het up shortens YOUR life, not theirs. What was it Patton said? The point is to get the enemy to die, not you. Remember?
;)
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Kirly Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:31:08pm |
Dennis Hastert is resigning. December or January. Just heard it on FoxNews. great. another seat to fill.
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:31:32pm |
re: #148 savage_nation
Don't give up, man. The world really does need you.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:32:31pm |
re: #151 neocon hippie
OT:
My pics of today's Move America Forward vs Code Pink face-off in downtown Berkeley today
You got some nice pictures in there! You know how to handle a camera!
My only recommendations (and this can be the hard part) are:
First, now that you've got all these great pictures, prune away the duplicative ones. I've learned through long experience that one good photo is more effective than the same photo AND a similar photo of essentially the same thing. Each photo (whenever possible) should be completely unique! I often will take 200 photos, and the viewer will only see 30 of those! One need not upload all the photos one has.
Second: some of the photos have great imagery in them, but there is some extraneous stuff in the frame that's distracting to the eye. Solution: judicious cropping! Make it so that the viewer "gets" in an instant what the focus of the picture is. You've got the goods, for sure; but a few pictures could benefit from slicing off the peripheral bits.
I sense a citizen journalist on the rise. Now I'll have competition!
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:32:43pm |
re: #155 zombie
re: #151 neocon hippie
OT:My pics of today's Move America Forward vs Code Pink face-off in downtown Berkeley today
Enjoy!
OOOOhhh, I'l check it out now!
"Nixxon Oil"? "I SEE DEAD PEOPLE"?
Zombie has said before that in h/is/er opinion, many of these people aren't simply politically skewed, but actually, certifiably insane... Nixxon oil... Oooooohhhhh kaaaaay.... Somebody didn't take their meds today, since Nixon ENDED Vietnam? No?
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:33:21pm |
re: #172 savage_nation
re: #165 RTLM
re: #148 savage_nationGot kids?
Nope. I'm sterile.
so what...I'm stupoid...you got a ticket so stick around and see how it shakes out....it's far from over...your time will come bro...keep your powder dry...bluff and bluster dont count...the left is all talk so far...they are misreading the vast and powerful and well armed 'silent majority'...politics will only take their agenda so far and then they will start hitting the speed bumps...chill out amigo...please
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:35:36pm |
re: #175 albusteve
rats...I was hoping for a lesson on how to sight in a Garand...thanks
/can they mount scopes?
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:37:39pm |
re: #183 savage_nation
savage,
Count your blessing. Living in NYC, I am surrounded by people who think like this.
;)
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Demosophist Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:38:54pm |
There has been a kind of agreement within the left to simply ignore whatever is actually going on in Iraq, and blithely repeat whatever propaganda supports their Vietnam analogy, no matter what its source or how tortured the logic. Sanchez is just the reincarnation of George B. McClellan. It's depressing to watch, but important to remember that what they're doing is drinking the cool-aid. It doesn't even amount to an opposition strategy. They don't care what the outcome is. It's a deep conviction, akin to the conviction of the jihadis and the ghost dancers of the 19th century, that if they're willing to destroy themselves for the cause then that alone legitimates it.
If this were actually true then whichever side was able to complete their suicide the fastest would be the winner. It's depressing logic, but the fact is, it's a sign they've given up. It's an act of despair.
So, you know... buck up. At some point they'll just be lying there, whimpering... without a shred of dignity left. It's 90% their problem. Don't try to shoulder it with them.
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:40:01pm |
re: #186 M. Bensson-Levi
Oh God! They make the BEST cannolis up the street from me at De Robertis. With chocolate.
STOP IT!
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:40:11pm |
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Pawn of the Oppressor Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:41:15pm |
You know, being a loopy Communist is probably really, really easy. I can just put random slogans on pieces of garbage and walk around wearing disheveled clothes, maybe chant some stuff once in a while, bang on some drums, yell some silly emotional rhyming catchphrases at people with actual jobs, pack it in, and call it a day.
Nixxon oil... I see dead people... Just poop. This will be easy:
"GOVERNMENT HANDS OFF OF MY PANTS"
"NO CHEESE FOR OIL"
"UNITED FOR PEACE AGAINST ZIONIST RADIO BEAMS"
"BEWARE THE JEW WHO KNOCKS AT MIDNIGHT"
"SOLIDARITY WITH OPPRESSED BARNYARD ANIMALS"
"THEY'RE HERE, THEY'RE QUEER, THEY'RE EVERYWHERE"
" 'BUSH SUCKS' - NOSTRADAMUS 16:8"
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Tasty Beverage Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:41:18pm |
re: #176 MigueldowninMexico
savage
Tasty Beverage says: a sense of humor is imperative for survival.I agree.
Cheer up amigo. ;)
See? Listen to Miguel, savage. :)
Our country is definitely in trouble, but just take a few breaths, hon. Maybe a shot or two.
Speaking of Red Eye, we all need to chill out for a while every day. I watch my replay of Red Eye around 5 PM and laugh like an idiot like I'm at the bar with my friends, making sex jokes or talking about booooobs.
If FOX kills Red Eye I'll know we're heading towards the apocolypse. Like I said, who else gets 300,000 viewers at 2 AM/1 AM ?
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:41:49pm |
re: #183 savage_nation
You don't want to let this thing get the last laugh, do ya?
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:41:51pm |
re: #187 Demosophist
Spoken like a true...Demosophist!
;)
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SecretInternetDoucheBag Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:42:23pm |
How will they blame George Bush when they go bankrupt?
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:43:43pm |
re: #184 Killian Bundy
re: #175 albusteve
rats...I was hoping for a lesson on how to sight in a Garand...thanks
This probably sounds stupid, but how do I load a M-1 and avoid getting the infamous M-1 thumb? Also, does anyone have any tips for sighting or zeroing my Garand when it comes?/can they mount scopes?
my pal has one and a carbine too...fine pieces...I can load either and probably site the rifle easy enough...but that carbine...whoa! what a sweet machine especially with a bayonet racked on it...nice balance for inside stuff...my father carried both and swore if he ever heard the clip pop from the M1 again he'd just shit or whatever...he hated that sound...
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albusteve Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:45:45pm |
re: #189 Killian Bundy
/lesson or imperialist warmongering?
wow! cool link...thats the skinny right there
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neocon hippie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:46:31pm |
re: #180 zombie
You got some nice pictures in there! You know how to handle a camera!
My only recommendations (and this can be the hard part) are:
First, now that you've got all these great pictures, prune away the duplicative ones. I've learned through long experience that one good photo is more effective than the same photo AND a similar photo of essentially the same thing. Each photo (whenever possible) should be completely unique! I often will take 200 photos, and the viewer will only see 30 of those! One need not upload all the photos one has.
Second: some of the photos have great imagery in them, but there is some extraneous stuff in the frame that's distracting to the eye. Solution: judicious cropping! Make it so that the viewer "gets" in an instant what the focus of the picture is. You've got the goods, for sure; but a few pictures could benefit from slicing off the peripheral bits.I sense a citizen journalist on the rise. Now I'll have competition!
Aw shucks, Zombie. I am very flattered. And I agree with your feedback. I just wanted to get them up quickly for all to enjoy and was lazy about editing.
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:47:07pm |
re: #188 Irene NYC
re: #186 M. Bensson-LeviOh God! They make the BEST cannolis up the street from me at De Robertis. With chocolate.
STOP IT!
NYC?...and you mention Cannolis, other than from Ferrara's? Nevertheless, I will send you money, and my address.
I have NEVER tasted a bad Cannoli.
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theheat Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:48:32pm |
Tripe like this reaffirms Bush's kinder-gentler war was FUBARD from the get-go. These people should either be taking a dirt nap or scared so shitless they'd never poke their heads above ground. Instead, they're giving goddamned interviews and selling their lines of bullshit to leftists so filled with BDS they'd side with enemy at any and every opportunity.
The first rule of horror films also applies to war: dead people don't come back to bite you in the ass. Pretty simple how that works.
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MigueldowninMexico Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:48:45pm |
neocon hippie
Congratulations!
The Army of Davids is begining to be a reality!
You go, pal! :)
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M. Bensson-Levi Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:50:53pm |
With that, I'm gone.
Savage,
Keep the Faith, Man.
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Tasty Beverage Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:51:07pm |
#197 savage_nation
I've never seen Red Eye. My job doesn't let me have time for anything but drive that piece of shit masquerading as a truck. The only time I can post in here is when I'm on a mandated break, otherwise that goddamn boss of mine would try to have me drive 24/7.
I understand. Watch this:
{savage_nation}
Eeewww, I just gave a hug for the second time on LGF, the first being zulubaby something like three years ago. But you need one right now, as well as a couple of shots.
Whenever I see big rigs on the road now I think of you for a brief second. It's like I said a little while ago, that we're all strangely interconnected now.
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Irene NYC Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:51:20pm |
re: #201 M. Bensson-Levi
Ferrara's is not around the corner AND it's filled with tourists. I have my choice between De Robertis and Veniero's, but Veniero's is also always filled with tourists.
I hate tourists. But LUV cannolis.
*sigh* What I wouldn't do for a cannolis dipped in dark chocolate right now.
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SeafoodGumbo Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:54:20pm |
re: #198 savage_nation
re: #193 SeafoodGumbo
re: #183 savage_nation
You don't want to let this thing get the last laugh, do ya?
Too bad that thing isn't committed to a mental hospital for the rest of its miserable existance.
I've gotta go get some rest, you ought to also. I expect to see ya back here tomorrow, still fighting the good fight.
Whenever I feel low, I remember those people who are paralyzed, or missing their legs, or who've had a child die...people who know suffering the likes of which I can't imagine, and I realize that my problems aren't permanent or anywhere near as bad as many others'. Some perspective is a good thing.
See ya here tomorrow. :)
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Killian Bundy Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:54:45pm |
re: #197 savage_nation
I've never seen Red Eye. My job doesn't let me have time for anything but drive that piece of shit masquerading as a truck. The only time I can post in here is when I'm on a mandated break, otherwise that goddamn boss of mine would try to have me drive 24/7.
You know, I don't think you're happy enough.
/the little critters of nature, they don't know that they're ugly
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:57:42pm |
re: #200 neocon hippie
Aw shucks, Zombie. I am very flattered. And I agree with your feedback. I just wanted to get them up quickly for all to enjoy and was lazy about editing.
There's something to be said for that approach. I often take WAAAAYYYY too long editing my photos before finishing a report. And by the time I put it online, it's old news. I envy those people that can get the stuff up there ASAP, as you just did!
Maybe the solution is to get these online now, as you did, then keep working and editing and prune/crop the photos there subsequently.
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pink freud Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:59:02pm |
re: #200 neocon hippie
Great quality on your pics, neocon. Thank you for sharing them. I'd been wondering if someone would post some (after zombie saying last night no-way was s/he going.)
The funny thing is, I managed to watch that entire "know your enemy" vomitus crap that nyt posted, but I couldn't bring myself to see any more of that disgusting filth in Berzerkely. The ones I did see were enough. I don't know how anyone co-exists with these people.
Savage:
Know that I worried like hell about you that night of the I-5 tunnel pile-up, especially since I'd read earlier that you were in that area. I count on you being here.
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zombie Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:59:14pm |
re: #211 savage_nation
I'm going to bed.
Good night everyone.
/poof!
Good plan. Sleep it off!
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MigueldowninMexico Wed, Oct 17, 2007 11:59:58pm |
re: #211 savage_nation
I'm going to bed.
Good night everyone.
/poof!
Night savage.
Rest well and you will feel better tomorrow.
:)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:00:00am |
re: #209 savage_nation
re: #205 Tasty Beverage
#197 savage_nation
I've never seen Red Eye. My job doesn't let me have time for anything but drive that piece of shit masquerading as a truck. The only time I can post in here is when I'm on a mandated break, otherwise that goddamn boss of mine would try to have me drive 24/7.
I understand. Watch this:
{savage_nation}
Eeewww, I just gave a hug for the second time on LGF, the first being zulubaby something like three years ago. But you need one right now, as well as a couple of shots.
Whenever I see big rigs on the road now I think of you for a brief second. It's like I said a little while ago, that we're all strangely interconnected now.
I'm just stretched so tight right now with everything going on I'm like a rubberband that's ready to snap. All the crap going on with the folks and the wife and stepkids spending every dime I make on bullshit and the IRS up my ass and that whiny fruitcake of a boss riding my ass and a whole bunch of other shit and traitors all over the place, I just want to vanish.....
You still here savage?
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freedomplow Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:00:52am |
How Low Can the New York Times Go?
The NYT's has nothing to worry about.
Maureen Dowd's social expertise and Paul Krugman's financial brilliance will solve all NYT's problems.
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:00:57am |
re: #209 savage_nation
Hi Savage,
This'll sound trite, but there's burgers to find, that book to write, and fruit-cup on it's way soon.
Last night I was bummed 'cause video is blocked at work, tonight, I think I am happy, judging from the comments. We'll get past all of this, emphasis on the WE, and America will come out the other side stronger, it may take time, it WILL take time, but in the end, good wins. (I peaked at the last chapter)
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M. Bensson-Levi Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:01:34am |
re: #206 Irene NYC
re: #201 M. Bensson-LeviFerrara's is not around the corner AND it's filled with tourists. I have my choice between De Robertis and Veniero's, but Veniero's is also always filled with tourists.
I hate tourists. But LUV cannolis.
*sigh* What I wouldn't do for a cannolis dipped in dark chocolate right now.
DON'T DO THIS TO ME, LADY!
Oh, wait a minute, I started this, didn't. Never mind.
Get ready for this. The reason that I brought up the subject of Cannolis is that my kid came over tonight, and brought over half a dozen.
It's almost 3am, and I'm gonna eat ANOTHER, right now.
I only seem cruel and heartless...I'm actually worse.
NYTOL.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:03:54am |
re: #201 M. Bensson-Levi
re: #188 Irene NYC
re: #186 M. Bensson-LeviOh God! They make the BEST cannolis up the street from me at De Robertis. With chocolate.STOP IT!
NYC?...and you mention Cannolis, other than from Ferrara's? Nevertheless, I will send you money, and my address.
I have NEVER tasted a bad Cannoli.
I have. In an otherwise lovely Italian restaurant in NH that should absolutely know better. Worst piece of crap cannoli in existence. First time the kiddo ever had a cannoli and I was looking forward to treating her to something special, so it was a huge disappointment. I don't think we've ever bothered to eat there again.
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Tasty Beverage Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:04:29am |
#209 savage_nation
I'm just stretched so tight right now with everything going on I'm like a rubberband that's ready to snap. All the crap going on with the folks and the wife and stepkids spending every dime I make on bullshit and the IRS up my ass and that whiny fruitcake of a boss riding my ass and a whole bunch of other shit and traitors all over the place, I just want to vanish.....
This is why you need to watch Red Eye.
And I understand the rubber-band thing.
Sometimes you just have to sit back and ignore the rest of the world, because the insanity will make you sick.
/night night
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erisldysnomia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:05:31am |
Anyone for organizing a large protest in front of the NYT HQ?
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too-old to-??? Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:05:39am |
re: #184 Killian Bundy
This site has some advice on avoiding "M1 Thumb."
Check with a gunsmith about the scope. The peep site is pretty good, though.
Midway USA does list this mount in their catalog.
Another place to check is Brownells.
I hope that helps.
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neocon hippie Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:11:54am |
Thanks for all the nice compliments on my pics.
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:14:07am |
re: #184 Killian Bundy
Yes. Offset to the left of the breach.
[Link: www.rt66.com...]
I had one o them thumbs...once.
DADDY'S
GUN,
R
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:14:21am |
re: #221 erisldysnomia
Anyone for organizing a large protest in front of the NYT HQ?
Where did they move it to?
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:14:45am |
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:15:32am |
re: #223 neocon hippie
Thanks for all the nice compliments on my pics.
You did a great job. Just finished looking at them. Those Code Pink folks look remarkably unwashed.
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:15:55am |
re: #222 too-old to-?
[Link: www.fulton-armory.com...]
Scroll down a bit...
IMPLEMENT
OF
DESTRUCTION,
R
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too-old to-??? Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:22:49am |
re: #228 Render
Nice. I keep saying I should get one of those, but the one I want is the 1941 Johnson rifle. Scroll down.
I decided that I need to eat.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:23:07am |
Was just over and Ynet and noticed that Olmert is on his way to Russia for a single day trip to meet with Putin, who was in Iran yesterday while Barak is meeting with Cheney in DC. I wonder what the hell is up -
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:26:23am |
re: #230 galloping granny
Was just over and Ynet and noticed that Olmert is on his way to Russia for a single day trip to meet with Putin, who was in Iran yesterday while Barak is meeting with Cheney in DC. I wonder what the hell is up -
Hello granny :)
You connected very interesting dots there.
It sure is strange...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:27:50am |
Here's something interesting. Interesting in that somebody actually has the guts to suggest that a Saudi school in the US should be closed and interesting in that we even HAVE a Saudi government owned/run school for children in the US -
Panel recommends closing Saudi school in northern Virginia
A private Islamic school supported by the Saudi government should be shut down until the US government can ensure the school is not fostering radical Islam, a federal panel recommends.
In a report released Thursday, the US Commission on International Religious Freedom broadly criticized what it calls a lack of religious freedom in Saudi society and promotion of religious extremism at Saudi schools.
Particular criticism is leveled at the Islamic Saudi Academy, a private school serving nearly 1,000 students in grades K-12 at two campuses in northern Virginia's Fairfax County.
The commission's report says the academy hews closely to the curriculum used at Saudi schools, which they criticize for promoting hatred of and intolerance against Jews, Christians and Shi'ite Muslims.
More - [Link: www.jpost.com...]
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:28:12am |
re: #231 MigueldowninMexico
re: #230 galloping granny
Was just over and Ynet and noticed that Olmert is on his way to Russia for a single day trip to meet with Putin, who was in Iran yesterday while Barak is meeting with Cheney in DC. I wonder what the hell is up -
Hello granny :)
You connected very interesting dots there.
It sure is strange...
Good morning Miguel. How're you?
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:30:09am |
re: #232 galloping granny
But aren't the Saudis our friends?
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:30:35am |
granny
I'm fine, thanks a lot! :)
How's it going with you and yours?
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RTLM Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:31:40am |
re: #230 galloping granny
Was just over and Ynet and noticed that Olmert is on his way to Russia for a single day trip to meet with Putin, who was in Iran yesterday while Barak is meeting with Cheney in DC. I wonder what the hell is up -
I'm glad Ehud Barak is talking with Dick Cheney.
I think that we're a step closer to military action against Iran.
Putin/Dinnnerjacket - wink/nod
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:32:45am |
re: #235 MigueldowninMexico
Driving to Victoria Chicktoria tomorrow.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:35:23am |
re: #238 RTLM
re: #230 galloping granny
Was just over and Ynet and noticed that Olmert is on his way to Russia for a single day trip to meet with Putin, who was in Iran yesterday while Barak is meeting with Cheney in DC. I wonder what the hell is up -
I'm glad Ehud Barak is talking with Dick Cheney.
I think that we're a step closer to military action against Iran.Putin/Dinnnerjacket - wink/nod
yeah, I'm on the Israel News site right now and there are some pretty interesting dots there too. Hamas shot somebody claiming to be the muslilm messiah (I think they mean mahdi), but the biggie is -
Israel Warns A World War III May Be Biblical War of Gog & Magog
US President George W. Bush says a nuclear Iran would mean World War III. Israeli newscasts feature Gog & Magog maps of the potential conflict.
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:35:38am |
re: #239 latitude51
re: #235 MigueldowninMexico
Driving to
VictoriaChicktoria tomorrow.
Cihuatlan. That's in Nauatl, aka Aztec.
Cihua = woman (en)
Tlan = place of
lol
There's an actual town Cihuatlan in Oaxaca LOL
(Let's go Lat, wink, wink) hahahaha,
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:36:44am |
Next new moon phase is November 9th.
Olmert's gonna get facial with Putin? In his lair?
I hope he ate his Wheaties...with a Red Bull...
OR
TWO,
R
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:38:18am |
Miguel, latitude, granny ...'evening to you all!
Please do me a favor. Go to google and do a search for islam. Not a web search, but a news search. I get this when I try:
Your search - islam - did not match any documents.
WTH?
/let me know what happens?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:38:27am |
re: #236 latitude51
re: #232 galloping granny
But aren't the Saudis our friends?
Want to buy a bridge? I know of a real nice one for sale in Brooklyn :)
re: #237 MigueldowninMexico
granny
I'm fine, thanks a lot! :)How's it going with you and yours?
Hanging in there. Obviously I can't sleep. I think I went to bed about 7:30 though so that might be OK. I swear I am turning into a regular farm woman. Up before dawn, in bed the second it turns dark, LOL!
Speaking of farm, I went up to the garden yesterday to harvest some Swiss Chard for a tart for dinner and some SOB had strolled into my private garden and cut down every scrap of two entire rows (as in ALL) of the Swiss Chard. Boy was I mad - chard stays good right through the winter!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:40:21am |
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:42:04am |
Hello pink freud!
I got this: [Link: www.google.com.mx...]
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:43:40am |
re: #245 pink freud
Miguel, latitude, granny ...'evening to you all!
Please do me a favor. Go to google and do a search for islam. Not a web search, but a news search. I get this when I try:
Your search - islam - did not match any documents.
WTH?
/let me know what happens?
I got the same thing Pink Freud. So then I added an "ic" to the islam and got 45K+ results. And right there on page 1 of them was a story about the Nation of Islam with the "islam" highlighted as my search term.
I wonder who owns/controls Google these days. To block a term from a database search at a search engine has to be deliberately done.
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:44:42am |
re: #245 pink freud
First hit was a blank like you saw. Switched to Images, got a full page. Switched back to News, got a full page.
MILDLY
INTERESTING,
R
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:44:46am |
re: #248 MigueldowninMexico
Hello pink freud!
I got this: [Link: www.google.com.mx...]
Miguel, if noticias means news, then you got the same thing we did. Didn't match anything in the database. LOL.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:46:11am |
re: #251 galloping granny
re: #248 MigueldowninMexico
Hello pink freud!
I got this: [Link: www.google.com.mx...]Miguel, if noticias means news, then you got the same thing we did. Didn't match anything in the database. LOL.
wow granny!
Yes it means news, right. Let me see hehe.
Foul play for sure...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:46:17am |
re: #250 Render
re: #245 pink freud
First hit was a blank like you saw. Switched to Images, got a full page. Switched back to News, got a full page.
MILDLY
INTERESTING,
R
I tried that and got the same thing. I'll ask my daughter what she thinks when she drags herself downstairs in a bit. She is Oracle-certified so probably has a clue.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:46:49am |
I got his under news: [Link: news.google.com.mx...]
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:47:40am |
re: #249 galloping granny
Ok good. At least I am not the only one! :-)
/I was beginning to feel a little paranoid.
I wonder who owns/controls Google these days. To block a term from a database search at a search engine has to be deliberately done.
Yes, I would say so.
Miguel! Hola! I guess this means that those in Mexico are free to search google for "islam" but those in America are not. Your link worked fine for me.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:48:32am |
Wow the last piece of news on the first page says: Spain MUST convert to Islam.
They really want all, right?
Grrrrrrr
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:48:54am |
An oddly coincidental bug? Or a deliberate feature?
COIN
FLIP,
R
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:49:52am |
re: #254 MigueldowninMexico
Sorry Miguel, for my earlier post. I misunderstood. I thought you'd linked right to the news page.
Yes, I see now ....nothing, like us.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:49:59am |
re: #255 pink freud
re: #249 galloping granny
Ok good. At least I am not the only one! :-)
/I was beginning to feel a little paranoid.
I wonder who owns/controls Google these days. To block a term from a database search at a search engine has to be deliberately done.
Yes, I would say so.
Miguel! Hola! I guess this means that those in Mexico are free to search google for "islam" but those in America are not. Your link worked fine for me.
Look at it again Pink. Miguel is getting the same thing that we are. Lots of links on a web search, click the link for news (it says noticias and is in the same place the English link is) and you get the Spanish version of exactly what you found initially.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:50:29am |
re: #256 MigueldowninMexico
Wow the last piece of news on the first page says: Spain MUST convert to Islam.
They really want all, right?
Grrrrrrr
Got a link for that?
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:51:18am |
pink freud
My start page is a Catholic site aciprensa.com that has a sister (brother?) site in English. You woudln't believe the difference re. the tilt to the left in the English version.
Sometimes subtle, others more patent, but the siblings are quite different politically.
Hmmm...
Even at times some news would be censured in the English version, very rarely in the Spanish one.
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:52:33am |
re: #256 MigueldowninMexico
Yes. Yes they do. They've been saying exactly that all along.
Europe is going to be an unholy mess before this is all over.
We may have to go back again. Even if only to evacuate the survivors.
MERCY
MISSION,
R
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:53:00am |
I did find one difference between the English version and Miguel's. When I click the link for images and then go back to noticias I go back to the same "not in our database" crap rather than the page with 18K links for "islam"
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hoystory Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:53:55am |
I nearly popped all my veins when I saw this.
Some additional commentary. [self-promotion]
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:54:11am |
OT: And now for something completely different
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:54:55am |
granny
Here: [Link: news.google.com.mx...]
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:55:27am |
re: #261 MigueldowninMexico
I would believe, Miguel. I post and post and it seems like all I am doing is spitting in the wind. For such a small sample representative of our entire population, they sure do seem to have made some serious headway.
Good morning, Render!
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:56:43am |
granny
The link above is in the Spanish version
It has like 1,400 news items
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:57:10am |
re: #265 Jewels (AKA Julian)
Good morning, Jewels? How's the new job? (I mostly lurk, but I keep up) :-)
'morning hoystory
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:58:03am |
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:58:37am |
re: #243 MigueldowninMexico
Calgary tonight, Victoria tomorrow night. It's a ten hour drive, but well worth it. And speaking of Cihuatlan, I may be making my first trip to Mexico in February. Let's do it!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:59:27am |
re: #264 hoystory
I nearly popped all my veins when I saw this.
Some additional commentary. [self-promotion]
I guess that I have become somewhat immune to the on-going outright treason that the New York Times has exhibited for years. Not "accepting of" - just that nothing they do could surprise me anymore, not after the numerous times over the last few years that they have deliberately released state secrets, published things that were outright gimmes to terrorists and done their absolute damndest to overthrow our government.
And this is nothing new for the slimes. Back during WWII they were THE prime movers & shakers behind the burying of any knowledge about the Holocaust on page D-54 in fine print between the advertising. Now connect that with their slogan - "All the news that's fit to print." In other words, if they don't choose to run a story then that story is not important or is a lie.
They should be put out of business. And it looks like Morgan Stanley is having a go at that.
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 12:59:41am |
#269 Pink Freud
Not quite left the old one yet. Curiously enough at one plce I'm applying at they were supposed to call back within 24-48 hrs and didn't. So I gave them a week and called back. Turns out they are looking at a new position with much better pay and more responsabilites for me (still being created).
they're going to give mea call back on the position in about a week or so, so all is good
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:00:39am |
So, galloping granny, tell me about this bridge. You got me interested.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:01:17am |
re: #268 MigueldowninMexico
granny
The link above is in the Spanish version
It has like 1,400 news items
Would you believe that I am getting the SAME no entries page from the link that you just sent? And that is after I've cleared the cache.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:02:32am |
re: #274 latitude51
So, galloping granny, tell me about this bridge. You got me interested.
Well, this particular bridge is a landmark. You could make a fortune. I only want ninety billion gazillion $ for it and it is all yours!
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:02:51am |
re: #273 Jewels (AKA Julian)
That sounds promising, Jewels ....I'm happy for you.
I read one of your posts last week about some nut you were dealing with taping your call. 'Twas a good story. :-)
/it is legal, ya know, in many states (including mine) to tape a call of yourself and someone else, without notifying the other person
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lostinliberalland Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:04:13am |
I wonder if these so called journalists ever think about what would happen to them if they were working for a newspaper in a country with a fundamentalist Muslim government and they printed or filmed an piece which attacked their government and country the way this documentary does. Flogging? Stoning? ........
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:04:48am |
#277 Pink.
Oh I know, the fact I'm gone on the 9th of next month bringsa smile to my face. I don't have to give a damn anymore about these losers
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:06:01am |
re: #271 latitude51
re: #243 MigueldowninMexico
Calgary tonight, Victoria tomorrow night. It's a ten hour drive, but well worth it. And speaking of Cihuatlan, I may be making my first trip to Mexico in February. Let's do it!
Ok! Let's do that if possible!
Have a very good trip tomorrow ;)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:06:19am |
re: #266 MigueldowninMexico
granny
Here: [Link: news.google.com.mx...]
BTW, I meant the specific link for the story about Spain MUST convert to islam.
I keep hearing this. the whole "we're the rightful rulers - they stole Andalusia from us and it must be returned crap" with never the FIRST mention that the damned moors were invaders who STOLE the Iberian peninsula in the first place.
Our textbooks and children's books are absolutely loaded with this crap lately.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:06:48am |
Skimming through the channels about an hour ago (right after I watched the nyt traitor video), I came across the beginning of it being shown - in its entirety - on CNN. Michael Ware (of snipers-shooting-American-soldiers video fame) was providing the running commentary.
/he looked positively gleeful
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FredWM Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:07:35am |
We can only hope some ME prince with more money then sense buys the Times. The family set up the Times so that they control it in perpetuity. Now there's nothing wrong with that if they are a private company, but they are not. What they've done is set up 2 classes of stock: "A" and "B." And only class "B" stock has any power and only the family controls class "B" stock. So in effect, the family can run the paper into the ground and still control it all the way down. All the class "A' stockholders get is the opportunity to finance Pinch's toy until there is not a cent left. It's not really a "for profit" enterprise.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:07:47am |
re: #278 lostinliberalland
Why on earth would they ever think something like that?
/they sing kumbaya so well .....
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:08:57am |
Let the Times Fall. Pinch is insane at this point
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:09:51am |
Mornin Pinky!
The Vth Column has had an enormous head start. Something like 80 years or so to infiltrate and subvert the education, media, and political systems.
They've had set backs - Tailgunner Joe, the fall of the Soviet Union, among others - But they've never deviated from their course.
They're entrenched deep now and digging in deeper every single day.
If the digging seems a bit more frenzied these days, it's because people like Charles, and numerous other like minded bloggers, are shining the cold harsh light of truth on those entrenchments. Exposing them for the corrosive and destructive element within, that they are.
...And always were...
BELCH,
R
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:09:59am |
re: #282 pink freud
Skimming through the channels about an hour ago (right after I watched the nyt traitor video), I came across the beginning of it being shown - in its entirety - on CNN. Michael Ware (of snipers-shooting-American-soldiers video fame) was providing the running commentary.
/he looked positively gleeful
There is a reason that I do not watch CNN - ever. Though to be honest I am equally disgusted with much of the stuff on any other "news" channel, including Fox, so I mostly don't watch TV news anymore.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:11:17am |
re: #275 galloping granny
re: #268 MigueldowninMexico
granny
The link above is in the Spanish version
It has like 1,400 news itemsWould you believe that I am getting the SAME no entries page from the link that you just sent? And that is after I've cleared the cache.
Wow. And I get 1548 news results.
Foul play granny, absolutely.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:11:56am |
re: #286 Render
I started using the term about a year ago here on the local forums. No one knew what it meant.
Now, they know.
/surprisingly, they care. A lot.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:12:54am |
re: #278 lostinliberalland
I wonder if these so called journalists ever think about what would happen to them if they were working for a newspaper in a country with a fundamentalist Muslim government and they printed or filmed an piece which attacked their government and country the way this documentary does. Flogging? Stoning? ........
Or worse. We wouldn't want it that way here though. What the NYT does is shameful, but they are free to do it and we are free to criticize them for it. I wouldn't want it any other way.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:12:58am |
re: #283 FredWM
We can only hope some ME prince with more money then sense buys the Times. The family set up the Times so that they control it in perpetuity. Now there's nothing wrong with that if they are a private company, but they are not. What they've done is set up 2 classes of stock: "A" and "B." And only class "B" stock has any power and only the family controls class "B" stock. So in effect, the family can run the paper into the ground and still control it all the way down. All the class "A' stockholders get is the opportunity to finance Pinch's toy until there is not a cent left. It's not really a "for profit" enterprise.
I don't hope that at all. They should not get a bailout from anybody. Some scam they have going, isn't it?
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:14:00am |
re: #287 galloping granny
Michael Ware ....more than any other media clown ....churns the visceral juices with an intensity that is ferocious.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:14:23am |
re: #289 pink freud
re: #286 Render
I started using the term about a year ago here on the local forums. No one knew what it meant.
Now, they know.
/surprisingly, they care. A lot.
No one knew what Vth column meant? Where are you, pink? We learned that in 7th or 8th grade.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:15:26am |
When Charles asks: "How Low Can the New York Times GO?; is he asking about their stock?
Ask my Counsel ad Perpetuam.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:16:27am |
Deep South Louisiana, granny. Cajun Country.
I'm doing my best, dear. :-)
/slow but sure
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:17:18am |
re: #287 galloping granny
My wife moved out last week, I asked her to take the t.v. with her. I still have a computer, therefore I still have LGF.
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squarepeg Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:17:51am |
re: #151 neocon hippie
OT:
My pics of today's Move America Forward vs Code Pink face-off in downtown Berkeley today
Enjoy!
I DID enjoy. I'm amazed there are that many red-blooded patriots in Berkeley -- enough for a demonstration.
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lostinliberalland Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:18:26am |
Pink Freud, My mistake I forgot working for the NYT requires that you only think and write with half of a brain.
By the way luv ur handle. It's good to know that I'm not the only one who grew up in, enjoyed, and survived the seventies and came out on the other side with the ability to think unlike Crosby or Nash.
In the case of the war against radical Islam it's not Us and Them, but rather Us or Them
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:18:40am |
re: #293 galloping granny
re: #289 pink freud
re: #286 Render
I started using the term about a year ago here on the local forums. No one knew what it meant.
Now, they know.
/surprisingly, they care. A lot.
No one knew what Vth column meant? Where are you, pink? We learned that in 7th or 8th grade.
That was invented during the horrible Spanish Civil War. General Queipo de Llano, Franco's man on the airwaves used to have a propaganda program from Seville to Republican Spain and one day when Franco's army was marching over Madrid, Queipo de Llano said: "Right now four armed columns are marching over Madrid, and there's a fifth column inside"
The next few days hundreds of people were shot with the suspition they were moles for the enemy.
This happened in 1939.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:18:43am |
/foreshadowing
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:19:32am |
re: #296 latitude51
re: #287 galloping granny
My wife moved out last week, I asked her to take the t.v. with her. I still have a computer, therefore I still have LGF.
I will always prefer my PC over any TV ;)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:19:55am |
re: #296 latitude51
re: #287 galloping granny
My wife moved out last week, I asked her to take the t.v. with her. I still have a computer, therefore I still have LGF.
Everything is ok then :)
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:20:50am |
re: #298 lostinliberalland
Thanks, lostinliberalland!
Agreed. I think there are easily as many of us as there are of them.
I'm back in school chasing a masters at 49.
/forever young
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:22:11am |
pink freud
Congratulations for keeping on studying! :)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:22:43am |
re: #295 pink freud
Deep South Louisiana, granny. Cajun Country.
I'm doing my best, dear. :-)
/slow but sure
At least you have great food and great music to do your best by. For a while at least. Some of my relatives ended up down there in Cajun country a couple hundred years back.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:23:11am |
re: #299 pink freud
re: #296 latitude51
/you made out like a bandit
And I got to keep the dog. Or the dog kept me, whatever. Life couldn't be better.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:24:25am |
re: #305 MigueldowninMexico
Thanks, Miguel! I do love it.
From reading your posts for a couple years now, I suspect that you are of the same stripe.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:25:58am |
re: #308 pink freud
re: #305 MigueldowninMexico
Thanks, Miguel! I do love it.
From reading your posts for a couple years now, I suspect that you are of the same stripe.
Yes, I'm planning on finishing Kinder Garten. If I apply real well (have problems with plastiline, though) I would be out next year!
:)
Grammar school...here I comeeeeeeeee!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:26:16am |
re: #304 pink freud
re: #298 lostinliberalland
Thanks, lostinliberalland!
Agreed. I think there are easily as many of us as there are of them.
I'm back in school chasing a masters at 49.
/forever young
Good for you. I went off to college again in my forties too. One of the things that I noticed in a big way was that the things my teachers had drilled into me were still there somewhere while the kiddos had not the first half a clue. Nobody could solve a quadratic equation. The biochem professor handed out this outrageously "hard" problem that ran something like "If a red blood cell is ___ x ____ and a hemoglobin molecule has a diameter of ____, how many hemes in an RBC." He even gave something like a week to come up with an answer. Not happening. I was appalled.
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Render Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:27:34am |
There is a precedent for what the NYSlimes is doing. It was set in 1861.
Shut them down and imprison them for the duration of the war.
[Link: www.heritage.org...]
===
#300 Mig...
Wasn't that particular event of the Spanish civil War in '36? Either way, Hemingway did much to make the term popular.
LINCOLN
BRIGADE,
R
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:27:51am |
re: #306 galloping granny
Saturday we will finally put a Republican in the governor's office.
Rhodes scholar, accepted in both Yale and Harvard, 36 years old. A first generation Indian, no less.
/the good old boys are having conniptions.
//no power, just conniptions
HA!
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:28:00am |
Cuadratic Ecuation?
It's greek to me.
How do you say that in English?
LOL
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Jewels (AKA Julian) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:28:05am |
hmm...this kinda works
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:29:05am |
Absolutely OUTRAGEOUS -
#
Board OKs Middle
School Birth Control
Maine panel approves contraception plan 5-2School board in Portland OKs plan to provide middle school students with birth control pills and patches from school nurse
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
My kids would be homeschooling by 8 am!
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:30:00am |
re: #311 Render
There is a precedent for what the NYSlimes is doing. It was set in 1861.
Shut them down and imprison them for the duration of the war.
[Link: www.heritage.org...]
===
#300 Mig...
Wasn't that particular event of the Spanish civil War in '36? Either way, Hemingway did much to make the term popular.
LINCOLN
BRIGADE,
R
Yes Render, very possible. Or 36 or 39 as Madrid was taken twice.
I guess you are right ;)
I agree on Hemingway, For Whom the Bells Toll was a big success and many people read it everywhere.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:30:49am |
re: #312 pink freud
re: #306 galloping granny
Saturday we will finally put a Republican in the governor's office.
Rhodes scholar, accepted in both Yale and Harvard, 36 years old. A first generation Indian, no less.
/the good old boys are having conniptions.
//no power, just conniptions
HA!
Bobby Jindal?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:31:16am |
re: #312 pink freud
re: #306 galloping granny
Saturday we will finally put a Republican in the governor's office.
Rhodes scholar, accepted in both Yale and Harvard, 36 years old. A first generation Indian, no less.
/the good old boys are having conniptions.
//no power, just conniptions
HA!
I bet they are. Thoug do remember that Bill Clinton was a Rhodie and Harvard is close to the most liberal school in the country. No recommendation there you know. Teddy Kennedy is a Harvard boy. When you say first generation Indian, I assume you mean from the sub-continent. Hindu?
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:31:23am |
re: #299 pink freud
re: #302 MigueldowninMexico
re: #303 galloping granny
On a similar theme, I ran into a few girls that I hadn't seen since high school. We were hurried in opposite directions so one of the gals asked if I was on Facebook. I told her I'm not on Facebook, but I'm on LGF. I don't know if it was a GAZE or just puzzlement coming from her. It sure made me laugh though.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:32:17am |
re: #310 galloping granny
I can match that one.
I was doing an WAIS test on an undergrad.
"From what direction does the sun rise?"
Not a clue, granny. Blank stare.
Answer: "umm ...I never paid attention to that kind of stuff."
Next one:
"If you were lost in the forest, what are some of the things you could do to find your way out?"
The answer: Scream
/I kid you not.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:33:53am |
re: #319 latitude51
re: #299 pink freud
re: #302 MigueldowninMexico
re: #303 galloping granny
On a similar theme, I ran into a few girls that I hadn't seen since high school. We were hurried in opposite directions so one of the gals asked if I was on Facebook. I told her I'm not on Facebook, but I'm on LGF. I don't know if it was a GAZE or just puzzlement coming from her. It sure made me laugh though.
She discovered you are a neocon and have a green tail!
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:34:58am |
re: #318 galloping granny
No, granny ...he is Catholic. A very nice family man, who really cares about turning this state around.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:37:18am |
re: #323 pink freud
re: #318 galloping granny
No, granny ...he is Catholic. A very nice family man, who really cares about turning this state around.
Great guy Bob Jindal.
Catholic Indian, effectively.
He's like Michael Steele. The kind of guy you see and think: "why don't we have more like them?"
I say we as this is a world-wide struggle. ;)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:37:42am |
Now this man sounds like somebody we should keep in office!
North Carolina Rep. Walter Jones Calls for Inquiry of Army General Involved in Soldier Scrutiny
WASHINGTON — Republican Rep. Walter Jones has asked the Pentagon to open an investigation of a high-ranking Army official who is at the center of two probes involving possible wrongdoing by U.S. forces in Afghanistan.Jones, of North Carolina, said he believes Lt. Gen. Frank Kearney has overstepped his authority in the investigations and in turn is hurting troops' morale.
"When men and women are asked to go to war for this country, then in my humble opinion they should be given every benefit of the doubt, and if there are any questions then they should not be handled in the press," Jones said in an interview with FOX News.
Two incidents in particular have caught Jones' attention. One involves a gunfight following a March 4 car bombing of a Marine convoy in Bandikot, Afghanistan, which ended with 19 Afghan civilians reported dead, and an Army colonel apologizing for the incident that he called "a stain on the forces' honor."
The colonel authorized payment of reparations to the victim's families before a military criminal investigation was complete.
Kearney, who at the time was major general in charge of Special Operations in Afghanistan, and has since been given a three-star general rank, ordered the unit pulled out of Afghanistan.
The Marines have since ordered their own investigation, which Kearney is not in charge of, although Kearney's involvement brought criticism for coloring the investigation before its completion. Kearney has said in the past that the hostile environment in Afghanistan meant the unit could no longer operate there and needed to be pulled out of theater immediately.
In a separate incident in October 2006, Kearney demanded reopening an inquiry into two Green Berets who killed an Afghan enemy combatant as Afghan police tried to take him into custody.
Afghan police in Ster Kheyl near the Pakistan border asked the Green Beret unit to help detain a known enemy combatant. The U.S. commander remained on a hill 100 yards from the combatant's home. The Afghan came out, identified himself and after a series of confused hand gestures from the Afghan police, the U.S. commander ordered his sniper to fire, killing the Afghan from 100 feet away, according to military reports.
More - worth reading it all. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:39:56am |
re: #320 pink freud
re: #310 galloping granny
I can match that one.
I was doing an WAIS test on an undergrad.
"From what direction does the sun rise?"
Not a clue, granny. Blank stare.
Answer: "umm ...I never paid attention to that kind of stuff."Next one:
"If you were lost in the forest, what are some of the things you could do to find your way out?"
The answer: Scream/I kid you not.
ROFLMAO! And these people actually got IN to college!
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:42:21am |
re: #327 galloping granny
Sad, I know.
I don't know how.
What's even more amazing is that this person graduated from a private Catholic high school.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:43:08am |
re: #323 pink freud
re: #318 galloping granny
No, granny ...he is Catholic. A very nice family man, who really cares about turning this state around.
Cool - especially the part about turning the state around. It seems to me that the powers that be in Louisiana showed where their interests lay in no uncertain terms at the time of Katrina - and it sure as all get out is not with the people of Louisiana. They should each and every one get the out-of-office memo as fast as the boot can be delivered.
I am still kind of shocked that New Orleans re-elected their mayor. Talk about asking for what you get.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:44:35am |
I love it. On Drudge Report there's this picture of the Dalai Lama in front of Congress with the caption: "TAKE THAT CHINA!"
Hahahahahaha.
Great!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:45:23am |
re: #328 pink freud
re: #327 galloping granny
Sad, I know.
I don't know how.
What's even more amazing is that this person graduated from a private Catholic high school.
Even private school does not seem to be much of a guarantee these days. The level of illiteracy being turned out in the name of "education" is absolutely astounding to me. Even many of the teachers are close to illiterate, especially in the elementary schools. And they are all marching to the "there is no such thing as intelligence, we are all the same" drummer.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:45:49am |
Granny
Chocolate repeats ;)
And the governor is Blanco which means "white" in Spanish LOL
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:46:09am |
re: #327 galloping granny
re: #320 pink freud
re: #310 galloping grannyROFLMAO! And these people actually got IN to college!I can match that one.
I was doing an WAIS test on an undergrad.
"From what direction does the sun rise?"
Not a clue, granny. Blank stare.
Answer: "umm ...I never paid attention to that kind of stuff."Next one:
"If you were lost in the forest, what are some of the things you could do to find your way out?"
The answer: Scream/I kid you not.
Sort of like this?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:46:11am |
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:47:31am |
Granny
Same here, schools are in bad shape, even private ones. Maybe a bit less, but not much.
And the Revolution has also infiltrated the teachers badly.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:48:46am |
re: #330 MigueldowninMexico
I love it. On Drudge Report there's this picture of the Dalai Lama in front of Congress with the caption: "TAKE THAT CHINA!"
Hahahahahaha.
Great!
Bwahahahaha
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:49:57am |
re: #329 galloping granny
Yes, ole "chocolate city nagin". I was shocked also.
The corruption was/is unbelievable re the recovery funds from Katrina. There's no end in sight. A million a week has been spent (1.14 billion as of a couple weks ago, and nothing's changed except the piles of flooded cars have been removed from under the overpasses. Minimal rebuilding. The city is like an old wino in the last throes of death. They're trying, but he stink of Nagin (and Blanco) will be with that city for a long time.
The illegal population has exploded. Lots of abandoned houses (thousands, still) left for them to squat in, and lots of day laborers massing at the Home Depot. The landscpae - culturally - of New Orleans is forever changed.
The good news is, there are fewer "democrats". Read: generational welfare recipients. The bad news is that they have been foisted off on the rest of America.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:50:12am |
re: #337 latitude51
re: #330 MigueldowninMexico
I love it. On Drudge Report there's this picture of the Dalai Lama in front of Congress with the caption: "TAKE THAT CHINA!"
Hahahahahaha.
Great!Bwahahahaha
We better be careful with that. China could put WalMart out of business this afternoon and THEN where would we be!
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:52:11am |
re: #333 MigueldowninMexico
'Round these parts, Miguel, she is known as "Blank-O" on account of that deer-in-the-headlights stare we all saw during Katrina.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:52:13am |
re: #339 pink freud
I was led to believe that the cause of all this was Global Warming. Are you trying to mess with my head?
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:53:02am |
re: #340 galloping granny
re: #337 latitude51
re: #330 MigueldowninMexico
I love it. On Drudge Report there's this picture of the Dalai Lama in front of Congress with the caption: "TAKE THAT CHINA!"
Hahahahahaha.
Great!Bwahahahaha
We better be careful with that. China could put WalMart out of business this afternoon and THEN where would we be!
Buying at the moms and pops stores ;)
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:53:47am |
re: #310 galloping granny
Something effectively like the dumbing down was already in effect in the post-war education of Americans, as my father eventually discovered that HIS high-school education (1934-38) was the functional equivalent of most college-grad BA's or BS's of the late 1960s.
I've been OUT of college for 30 years, Granny, but I know I still have clues about HOW TO GET A CLUE... some real-world REASONING SKILLS that seem in very short supply among certain identifiable groups amongst the population...
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:53:57am |
re: #341 pink freud
re: #333 MigueldowninMexico
'Round these parts, Miguel, she is known as "Blank-O" on account of that deer-in-the-headlights stare we all saw during Katrina.
Hahahaha good pun.
She was frozen indeed lol
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:54:23am |
re: #339 pink freud
re: #329 galloping granny
Yes, ole "chocolate city nagin". I was shocked also.
The corruption was/is unbelievable re the recovery funds from Katrina. There's no end in sight. A million a week has been spent (1.14 billion as of a couple weks ago, and nothing's changed except the piles of flooded cars have been removed from under the overpasses. Minimal rebuilding. The city is like an old wino in the last throes of death. They're trying, but he stink of Nagin (and Blanco) will be with that city for a long time.
The illegal population has exploded. Lots of abandoned houses (thousands, still) left for them to squat in, and lots of day laborers massing at the Home Depot. The landscpae - culturally - of New Orleans is forever changed.
The good news is, there are fewer "democrats". Read: generational welfare recipients. The bad news is that they have been foisted off on the rest of America.
To be perfectly honest about it, I think the best and least expensive thing to be done with New Orleans is to rebuild elsewhere that is not a foot below sea level.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:55:16am |
re: #343 MigueldowninMexico
re: #340 galloping granny
re: #337 latitude51
re: #330 MigueldowninMexico
I love it. On Drudge Report there's this picture of the Dalai Lama in front of Congress with the caption: "TAKE THAT CHINA!"
Hahahahahaha.
Great!Bwahahahaha
We better be careful with that. China could put WalMart out of business this afternoon and THEN where would we be!
Buying at the moms and pops stores ;)
I cannot tell you how very far out of our way we will go to NOT buy anything at all at WalMart.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:56:41am |
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:57:29am |
re: #344 Carridine
Morning Carridine, that's why I srcape to put my girls in a non-public school. Also, I engage them in all sorts of things rather than just leaving it to others to edjumicate them.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:59:25am |
re: #335 galloping granny
But I want sunshine!
/coffee ----->
/YouTube is more than sketchy, but if you dig enough, you strike gold
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:59:26am |
re: #344 Carridine
re: #310 galloping granny
Something effectively like the dumbing down was already in effect in the post-war education of Americans, as my father eventually discovered that HIS high-school education (1934-38) was the functional equivalent of most college-grad BA's or BS's of the late 1960s.
I've been OUT of college for 30 years, Granny, but I know I still have clues about HOW TO GET A CLUE... some real-world REASONING SKILLS that seem in very short supply among certain identifiable groups amongst the population...
I hear you there Carridine. My 50s-60s high school diploma is the functional equivalent of a Masters these days.
My BIL does the employment prescreening for the company he works for. Has lots of applicants in the 25 and under crowd. So, the first thing he asks them is to add $10 worth of gas and the cost of a gallon of milk, whatever it might be today. A full 95% of that age group reply with "got a calculator?"
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 1:59:59am |
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
← ← ← ← ← Fruitcup is on the buffet.
Help yourselves!
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:00:34am |
Goood morning, littleoldlady! I've missed you!
/the books are killing me!
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Stonemason Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:00:59am |
re: #352 littleoldlady
::Taps foot:: a tad early there Lil' One
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:01:36am |
Good morning littleoldlady. How's things?
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:01:54am |
Good for you Granny.
I never buy at Wall Mart. The only one in this town is like a mile from here and I have plenty of closer stores to buy at.
Btw. I have a Home Depot a block away and last week I passed in front of the store. They already had a...well maybe a Christmas display, with Santa, snow, deers (all completely alien to this part of Mexico where we never see snow lol) but what made me feel bad was that they had a big sign -in English which is almost an insult as we speak Spanish- and the big sing said: "Happy Holidays"
Grrrrrrrrrr I felt really bad.
The sing was in English because there is no way to say "Happy Holidays" in Spanish. You have to mention some Holiday like...perhaps...well, excuse me hehe...Navidad, which is...well... Christmas.
Sorry for the C word.
I hated it. Really.
Eff them. Grrrrr
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:02:29am |
sheesh .....you try and co-ordinate an ambush, and she shows up early!
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:04:51am |
re: #351 galloping granny and #349 latitude51
"Well, Applicant, a calculator means you're crippled.""Yeah, Dude, and I'm askin' you again, LEND ME YOUR CRUTCH!"
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:04:53am |
littleoldlady
That was perfect!
One second off the perfect mark!
Wow.
Thanks for the buffet ;)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:07:12am |
re: #357 MigueldowninMexico
Good for you Granny.
I never buy at Wall Mart. The only one in this town is like a mile from here and I have plenty of closer stores to buy at.Btw. I have a Home Depot a block away and last week I passed in front of the store. They already had a...well maybe a Christmas display, with Santa, snow, deers (all completely alien to this part of Mexico where we never see snow lol) but what made me feel bad was that they had a big sign -in English which is almost an insult as we speak Spanish- and the big sing said: "Happy Holidays"
Grrrrrrrrrr I felt really bad.The sing was in English because there is no way to say "Happy Holidays" in Spanish. You have to mention some Holiday like...perhaps...well, excuse me hehe...Navidad, which is...well... Christmas.
Sorry for the C word.
I hated it. Really.
Eff them. Grrrrr
I never buy at Home Depot if I can help it either. I was more than happy yesterday to patronize our local Ace hardware, where I discovered everything I needed all in one place without having to walk so many miles in the store to find it I was a cripple. And they have everything I need for the garden come spring. And I can rent a rototiller.
Yes, I do recall "Feliz Navidad" and if I think about it I might still be able to drag "Happy Birthday" out of my old brain. Once upon a time long ago and far away I could actually read Cervantes and Unamuno in Spanish. Been years since I have thought of more than wading through a cookbook or lending the neighbors a hand though. And haven't had any Spanish speaking neighbors in a decade or more.
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:07:22am |
When did the fruitcup get moved to the west side of the room?
New arrows? Fancy!
/I'm gone for a couple of days, and everything changes!
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:07:42am |
pink! :-)
Attack of the Killer Textbooks!
/da-da-duh!
/everybody go out into the streets and panic!
Stonemason! :-)
I know, I know. Just what I need...a reduced paycheck this month.
granny! :-)
Miguelito! :-)
Killian! :-)
latitude! :-)
Everyone else! :-)
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:08:36am |
Granny
Feliz cumpleaños ;)
Wow if you could read Cervantes and Unamuno you were very proficient!
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:08:43am |
re: #357 MigueldowninMexico
And correct me if I'm wrong, Miguel, but "Navidad" actually means Birth, doesn't it? as in "Day of Birth of the Blessed One"? Which is WHY we celebrate His birth, yes?
Appalling! Twisting it into "Happy Holidays" is nothing more than "Money for Mammon Day!" and "Come $pend $ome Here!"
/*spit!*
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:08:47am |
re: #351 galloping granny
A full 95% of that age group reply with "got a calculator?"
That is really sad. A few weeks ago I took my 10 year old daughter along to help me pick out some new clothes. There were some racks with 30% off, some with 20% and so on. When we found an item we liked I would ask her to figure out what the price would be after the discount. When she got the answer I would ask her to figure out the price after the 6% tax was added. She would take a while to figure it out but she would get it, and it made for a fun little game while we shopped.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:09:46am |
Karridine! :-)
pink,
I got bored so I rearranged the furniture.
Next I'll probably change my hairstyle; maybe even the color.
After that...divorce!
/change is good, no?
;-)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:09:52am |
re: #353 pink freud
Goood morning, littleoldlady! I've missed you!
/the books are killing me!
Pink, just be glad you are not a science major. Science textbooks will literally kill you. Dropped a medical text on my foot one time and broke a toe, I kid you not. You practically need a crane to lift the darned things.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:10:01am |
Granny, please reload to be able to read Spanish.
*grumble grumble*
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:10:23am |
re: #352 littleoldlady
Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*!™
%u2190 %u2190 %u2190 %u2190 %u2190 Fruitcup is on the buffet.
Help yourselves!
Well it's about time. Haha. How are you?
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:11:15am |
You are such a sweetheart, little old.
/oh, alright, i know i know! crankyflakes and all of that!
I hate to say hi and run, but I have a huge test tomorrow (today) at 2, so I should turn off these lights and snooze for a while.
Take care, have a wonderful day! : )
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:11:46am |
re: #365 Carridine
re: #357 MigueldowninMexico
And correct me if I'm wrong, Miguel, but "Navidad" actually means Birth, doesn't it? as in "Day of Birth of the Blessed One"? Which is WHY we celebrate His birth, yes?
Appalling! Twisting it into "Happy Holidays" is nothing more than "Money for Mammon Day!" and "Come $pend $ome Here!"
/*spit!*
Absolutely correct in all you say here Karridine. :)
The Hate of Spiritual Life is despicable but so widespread.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:12:29am |
re: #364 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
Feliz cumplea%uFFFDos ;)Wow if you could read Cervantes and Unamuno you were very proficient!
Started learning Spanish when I was 11. The teacher that I had for most of the 7 years I studied Spanish was a man from Argentina - German guy, born in Argentina. We were not allowed to speak English to him and he not only taught us Spanish, he taught us three or four different dialects of Spanish. And to think in Spanish rather than just be able to translate it back and forth.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:13:03am |
re: #370 latitude51
Bored, backwards and in a time warp, which may (or may NOT - we'll see) beat the heck out of yesterday's Yodalocity™.
You?
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:13:37am |
re: #367 littleoldlady
Karridine! :-)
pink,
I got bored so I rearranged the furniture.
Next I'll probably change my hairstyle; maybe even the color.
After that...divorce!
/change is good, no?
;-)
You are threatening my sense of order here, woman.
Ok, hair color is ok, but TallOldMan has to stay.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:13:53am |
'Night, pink! Good luck on the test! :-)
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:14:01am |
re: #372 MigueldowninMexico
The Hate of Spiritual Life is despicable but so widespread.
Don't quite know why, but this just hit me, moved me to tears. I don't know what's happening...
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:14:08am |
re: #366 latitude51
re: #351 galloping granny
A full 95% of that age group reply with "got a calculator?"
That is really sad. A few weeks ago I took my 10 year old daughter along to help me pick out some new clothes. There were some racks with 30% off, some with 20% and so on. When we found an item we liked I would ask her to figure out what the price would be after the discount. When she got the answer I would ask her to figure out the price after the 6% tax was added. She would take a while to figure it out but she would get it, and it made for a fun little game while we shopped.
That's it lat! Taking time to show things to your kids is so fundamental!
And so many parents are AWOL on this...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:14:21am |
re: #366 latitude51
re: #351 galloping granny
A full 95% of that age group reply with "got a calculator?"
That is really sad. A few weeks ago I took my 10 year old daughter along to help me pick out some new clothes. There were some racks with 30% off, some with 20% and so on. When we found an item we liked I would ask her to figure out what the price would be after the discount. When she got the answer I would ask her to figure out the price after the 6% tax was added. She would take a while to figure it out but she would get it, and it made for a fun little game while we shopped.
That is how I teach math too. Cooking is great for fractions by the way. Especially baking a double batch of something. And if you want to teach statistics and graphing, bring home a bag of the colored candy hearts come Valentine's.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:14:41am |
Oh, don't worry about talloldman. We're attached at the hip.
/for better or for worse...
;-)
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:15:36am |
re: #377 Carridine
re: #372 MigueldowninMexico
The Hate of Spiritual Life is despicable but so widespread.
Don't quite know why, but this just hit me, moved me to tears. I don't know what's happening...
Guess The Holy Spirit is moving ;)
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:15:51am |
Goodnight all! Sweet dreams.
/good on ya, lat, for taking the time to do that with your ten year old. You're a fine dad.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:16:38am |
re: #373 galloping granny
re: #364 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
Feliz cumplea©os ;)Wow if you could read Cervantes and Unamuno you were very proficient!
Started learning Spanish when I was 11. The teacher that I had for most of the 7 years I studied Spanish was a man from Argentina - German guy, born in Argentina. We were not allowed to speak English to him and he not only taught us Spanish, he taught us three or four different dialects of Spanish. And to think in Spanish rather than just be able to translate it back and forth.
No wonder you got to be so advanced in Spanish, Che LOL
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:17:08am |
re: #373 galloping granny
And to think in Spanish rather than just be able to translate it back and forth...
HERE is the joy of a new language!
I've not experienced it in the French or Spanish I studied, I was in the wrong milieu (youth, ignorant teachers, arrogance in me) but I've experienced it in Korean and Thai, and it is a JOY par excellence, Granny!
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:17:34am |
re: #380 littleoldlady
Oh, don't worry about talloldman. We're attached at the hip.
/for better or for worse...
;-)
I don't worry about your marriage. Not a tad. ;)
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:17:50am |
re: #363 littleoldlady
Attack of the Killer Textbooks!
I told you it was going to cost lots of money.
/you can't stop her, you can only hope to contain her
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:18:19am |
re: #382 pink freud
Goodnight all! Sweet dreams.
/good on ya, lat, for taking the time to do that with your ten year old. You're a fine dad.
Sleep well freud! :)
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ibmkeyboard Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:18:50am |
The IDF succeeded in killing a senior Tanzim terrorist in Nablus on Wednesday during an arrest operation for other wanted terror suspects.
According to the IDF, Bassam Hamis Mustafa abu-Suria was involved in dozens of shooting attacks on soldiers and civilians, and was also involved in planning bombing attacks against targets in Israel.
Been out hunting terrorists.
Can you say Mustafa?
Mustafa! wheew.
Say it again, MUSTAFA!
need lizard energy fruit cup. yummy.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:19:10am |
re: #374 littleoldlady
LOL.
I should be getting some sleep as I'm driving all the way to Victoria tomorrow, but I'm all pumped up about it so I can't sleep.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:20:27am |
re: #382 pink freud
Thanks for that Pink! Good night and good luck with the test.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:20:27am |
re: #383 MigueldowninMexico
re: #373 galloping granny
re: #364 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
Feliz cumplea©os ;)Wow if you could read Cervantes and Unamuno you were very proficient!
Started learning Spanish when I was 11. The teacher that I had for most of the 7 years I studied Spanish was a man from Argentina - German guy, born in Argentina. We were not allowed to speak English to him and he not only taught us Spanish, he taught us three or four different dialects of Spanish. And to think in Spanish rather than just be able to translate it back and forth.
No wonder you got to be so advanced in Spanish, Che LOL
Ah, but then I ran afoul of a "teacher" out of an American college who spoke only American "Spanish" - the kind we teach in schools here that is not really the Spanish that anyone anywhere speaks - who could not herself think in Spanish, so insisted that we spend every minute translating back and forth to her satisfaction. And graded students by whether or not they were going on her trip to Spain in the summer. NOT pretty, definitely not pretty! (That was the ONLY year she taught Spanish though. Very short career the woman had.)
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:21:10am |
re: #389 latitude51
re: #374 littleoldlady
LOL.
I should be getting some sleep as I'm driving all the way to Victoria tomorrow, but I'm all pumped up about it so I can't sleep.
Make a stop in Kelowna. I saw a big bunch of pictures of this friend I told you (he's married to a Mexican woman) and the place looks beautiful!
That is if you pass near there lol
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:22:19am |
re: #384 Carridine
re: #373 galloping granny
And to think in Spanish rather than just be able to translate it back and forth...
HERE is the joy of a new language!
I've not experienced it in the French or Spanish I studied, I was in the wrong milieu (youth, ignorant teachers, arrogance in me) but I've experienced it in Korean and Thai, and it is a JOY par excellence, Granny!
That it is. I got this when my folks came to visit me when I lived in Germany. Dad - former US Navy in WWII - got to talking with Hebert (my landlord) who had been an engineer at Peenemunde. I got to translate back and forth for the two of them and was surprised at how competent I had become, since I had learned German from a 7 year old.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:24:41am |
re: #387 MigueldowninMexico
re: #382 pink freudGoodnight all! Sweet dreams./good on ya, lat, for taking the time to do that with your ten year old. You're a fine dad.
Sleep well freud! :)
And THIS, Miguel, is one of the KEY DISTINCTIONS between posters here and at Kos (for example).
By taking time to engage our children in meaningful, developmental ways, we infuse and instill in them our values, our respect for humans (no matter how young) and our love of learning, as we are TEACHING BY EXAMPLE that we don't hear their curiosity as 'stupid questions' and by our patient responses, reinforce their sense of self-esteem and worth.
"Excuse me, Daddy, but why does she say it like that?"
I could say, "I have no time to answer that now," but truth is, I can FIND time to answer briefly and meaningfully, right now!
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:25:49am |
re: #386 Killian Bundy
Killian,
This may be the one and only year she goes to school in New York - unless that joint comes up with some of its own money next year.
But as far as the books...I got a Barnes and Noble membership card thinking I could get the discount at the B&N on campus. They said "no". I told them fine...I would be buying as many of MNT's books as I can at our local B&N, and telling other people to do the same.
/NOBODY can force me to pay full retail. NOBODY.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:26:07am |
re: #392 MigueldowninMexico
I'll be passing about an hour north of there unfortunately. It's a great place. Really, all of British Columbia is beautiful. I've got my sights on Victoria though. Only stopping for gas.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:28:22am |
re: #396 latitude51
re: #392 MigueldowninMexico
I'll be passing about an hour north of there unfortunately. It's a great place. Really, all of British Columbia is beautiful. I've got my sights on Victoria though. Only stopping for gas.
Ok Lat. Take a lot of care and may God go with you on your trip :)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:28:34am |
re: #395 littleoldlady
re: #386 Killian Bundy
Killian,
This may be the one and only year she goes to school in New York - unless that joint comes up with some of its own money next year.
But as far as the books...I got a Barnes and Noble membership card thinking I could get the discount at the B&N on campus. They said "no". I told them fine...I would be buying as many of MNT's books as I can at our local B&N, and telling other people to do the same.
/NOBODY can force me to pay full retail. NOBODY.
littleoldlady, check out Half.com for cheap textbooks. My girls are all working on some degree or other and flatly refuse to pay full price for some of the crap that passes as text books these days. And you can sell them back yourself on half for a lot more than you will get down at the college bookstore.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:30:36am |
re: #393 galloping granny
who had been an engineer at Peenemunde.
Small world! I'm co-writing a screenplay with an expat German who was 13 when he was living outside Berlin, living in a SAFE place from Allied bombing, there on the Peenemunde peninsula, when the whole horizon erupted in gouts of orange flame, silent for the first few seconds, until the sound came thundering onto him and his young friends...
And that's fun, but the awareness of how fluent and capable we're becoming in our new language is always a positive thrill, Granny!
I still remember my first dream in Korean, and my first 45-minute conversation wherein I never once thought in English, but only in Korean!
Whoof! Good stuff...
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:31:24am |
Karridine
My son is 27 now, but when he was growing up I would spend at least a couple of hours a day teaching him things. Half hour for Catechism and the rest we would talk about all kinds of things, seeking to complement school.
Of course I had only one, but I'm sure you can manage in a similar way with five or six or whatever. Just a bit less time for each.
The best investment you can make on your children.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:34:10am |
re: #398 galloping granny
Oh, I forgot about that site! Thanks.
MNT is taking 2 English courses this semester and most of what she's reading we already have, either from my college years or her high school classes. Next semester is another matter altogether...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:35:05am |
re: #399 Carridine
re: #393 galloping granny
who had been an engineer at Peenemunde.
Small world! I'm co-writing a screenplay with an expat German who was 13 when he was living outside Berlin, living in a SAFE place from Allied bombing, there on the Peenemunde peninsula, when the whole horizon erupted in gouts of orange flame, silent for the first few seconds, until the sound came thundering onto him and his young friends...
And that's fun, but the awareness of how fluent and capable we're becoming in our new language is always a positive thrill, Granny!
I still remember my first dream in Korean, and my first 45-minute conversation wherein I never once thought in English, but only in Korean!
Whoof! Good stuff...
When I first came home from Germany I realized that I had forgotten English - at least in most situations. Went into McD's for the burger I had been craving for years, the girl on the counter says "May I help you?" and I just stood there trying to figure out what on earth she was saying to me. . . .
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pink freud Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:36:05am |
Ok dammit, I am still awake, so I had to respond to the textbook conversation.
This year alone, I bought two books that would have cost me 250 for the both of them. They were both "new editions" ... but the previous edition had been used the semester before. I asked both profs for permission to use the prior edition. Both said yes. I got one on ebay for 2.00 and another for 18.00. So far, I have not found a word's difference between the expensive ones my classmates have and my prior edition.
/something to keep in mind for next semester, littleoldlady
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:37:10am |
re: #394 Carridine
That's a kind compliment Carridine. Thanks. The greatest thrill in my life has been watching my two young ones grow and learn. I take every opportunity to teach them about the universe around them and am amazed at how smart they are. I wish I had just half the intelligence that they do. For now, I'll just keep teaching them what I can and hope that they still find me interesting for at least a few more years.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:38:19am |
re: #400 MigueldowninMexico
The best investment you can make on your children.
ABSOLUTELY, Miguel.
We live next door to a Thai family with 2 sons, aged 6 and 14... Both parents work, and really don't give much time to the boys... so MY sons have befriended them, but in the doing have come back to me with reports of how WONDERFUL A DADDY we have in our family... unprompted testimonials...
...and reports of how mom and dad next door fly into rages, beat the boys, bribe them with STUFF, and generally spend their life elsewhere, NOT with their sons...
What more precious than MY time, in MY life? I acted to bring them into this life, this world, who better to share my life with?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:38:27am |
re: #401 littleoldlady
re: #398 galloping granny
Oh, I forgot about that site! Thanks.
MNT is taking 2 English courses this semester and most of what she's reading we already have, either from my college years or her high school classes. Next semester is another matter altogether...
And a good thing it is you have it too. English teachers seem to think nothing of ordering up 20 books for one lousy class. Just thank your lucky stars it is English rather than anything at all in science, medicine or computing. Add any of those three words to a book and the price skyrockets. Even nearly 20 years ago it was not unusual to lay out close to $200 for a single book in science or medicine.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:39:12am |
Granny
It was a shame about that Spanish teacher, but such is life, I guess.
And you could speak in German too huh? Sehr gut! ;)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:41:04am |
re: #405 Carridine
re: #400 MigueldowninMexico
The best investment you can make on your children.
ABSOLUTELY, Miguel.
We live next door to a Thai family with 2 sons, aged 6 and 14... Both parents work, and really don't give much time to the boys... so MY sons have befriended them, but in the doing have come back to me with reports of how WONDERFUL A DADDY we have in our family... unprompted testimonials...
...and reports of how mom and dad next door fly into rages, beat the boys, bribe them with STUFF, and generally spend their life elsewhere, NOT with their sons...
What more precious than MY time, in MY life? I acted to bring them into this life, this world, who better to share my life with?
Couldn't have said it better Carridine. I have always looked at my children as my particular shot at immortality, my grandchildren even more so.
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Killian Bundy Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:41:38am |
re: #395 littleoldlady
But as far as the books...I got a Barnes and Noble membership card thinking I could get the discount at the B&N on campus. They said "no". I told them fine...I would be buying as many of MNT's books as I can at our local B&N, and telling other people to do the same.
Welcome to reality and good luck with that. This scam has been going on for decades.
/I just accepted the inevitable and built up my library
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:42:21am |
re: #402 galloping granny
Bit of a shock, ennit? "Use it or lose it" comes up and grabs you by the tongue...
Or is it by the ears? Heh!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:44:56am |
re: #407 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
It was a shame about that Spanish teacher, but such is life, I guess.
And you could speak in German too huh? Sehr gut! ;)
I can also read a little French, Portuguese and Italian if I must - though mostly kitchen stuff.
All of our languages are pretty directly descended from Latin. And a good chunk of English is pretty directly German. I was lucky enough to go to school back in the days when before you could take any language class you had to take one full year of Latin. Once you know Latin (and you can certainly acquire most of the vocab in a year or so) then the rest just aren't that hard to learn. Latin is also the key to science and medicine, what they hide behind to keep those disciplines out of the reach of the normal person, keep them mysterious and "difficult."
I'm making the kiddo learn Latin now.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:45:07am |
re: #403 pink freud
Of course, ebay. I got a bunch of textbooks from a friend of a friend last year. The kid has moremoneythangod, and at first bought everything in full hardback version, then decided they were too cumbersome to cart to class so bought the paperbacks as well. A lot of these books haven't even been used. I'm slowly selling them off on ebay or at yard sales. ;-)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:47:12am |
re: #413 littleoldlady
re: #403 pink freud
Of course, ebay. I got a bunch of textbooks from a friend of a friend last year. The kid has moremoneythangod, and at first bought everything in full hardback version, then decided they were too cumbersome to cart to class so bought the paperbacks as well. A lot of these books haven't even been used. I'm slowly selling them off on ebay or at yard sales. ;-)
You will probably get better prices for them on Half littleoldlady. That is where all the money-grubbing students go first.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:47:27am |
re: #411 latitude51
Lat, have faith in the positive goodness your children mirror, and the humility to accept that it is from the GODness (goodness) in YOU that they learn.
Yes, as a Word-Hound, I love English, and Good is the same root word as God (Gut-Gott) and I get all en-thus-iastic about it! :D
BBIAW
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:48:45am |
Morning all. Yesterday was quite a big news day- Bush's comment on WW3, Debka report that Olmert is flying to Moscow on short notice, and Condi wrapping up her trip to the Mideast. I bet she talked about more than just plans for the Annapolis conference.
Is Olmert in Moscow like the Nazi summons of the Czechs to Berlin in 1938?
The Czechs hadn't just shown they could disable German air defense systems.
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BulgarWheat Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:51:00am |
Good morning, Lizards! Need a nice strong cup of coffee as the eyes attempt to focus.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:52:11am |
re: #416 Jim in Virginia
Morning all. Yesterday was quite a big news day- Bush's comment on WW3, Debka report that Olmert is flying to Moscow on short notice, and Condi wrapping up her trip to the Mideast. I bet she talked about more than just plans for the Annapolis conference.
Is Olmert in Moscow like the Nazi summons of the Czechs to Berlin in 1938?
The Czechs hadn't just shown they could disable German air defense systems.
See my post up above Jim. Olmert is off today on a one-day trip to Putin, just one day after Putin returned from Iran and at the same time that Barak is meeting with Cheney (not Bush and not Condi.) something is afoot.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:53:01am |
re: #412 galloping granny
re: #407 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
It was a shame about that Spanish teacher, but such is life, I guess.
And you could speak in German too huh? Sehr gut! ;)I can also read a little French, Portuguese and Italian if I must - though mostly kitchen stuff.
All of our languages are pretty directly descended from Latin. And a good chunk of English is pretty directly German. I was lucky enough to go to school back in the days when before you could take any language class you had to take one full year of Latin. Once you know Latin (and you can certainly acquire most of the vocab in a year or so) then the rest just aren't that hard to learn. Latin is also the key to science and medicine, what they hide behind to keep those disciplines out of the reach of the normal person, keep them mysterious and "difficult."
I'm making the kiddo learn Latin now.
Perfectly! You are so right here.
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:53:51am |
re: #416 Jim in Virginia
Morning all. Yesterday was quite a big news day- Bush's comment on WW3, Debka report that Olmert is flying to Moscow on short notice, and Condi wrapping up her trip to the Mideast. I bet she talked about more than just plans for the Annapolis conference.
Is Olmert in Moscow like the Nazi summons of the Czechs to Berlin in 1938?
The Czechs hadn't just shown they could disable German air defense systems.
Morning.
Ya, I'm sure the Russians are still scrambling to figure out what went wrong with their "state of the art" system. The Syrians probably want an explanation or more likely a fix.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:54:46am |
Barak is meeting Cheney? Hmmm.
How far up is your comment? I read upthread but just saw textbook stories. College for my girls is six years away. I don't want to know.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:54:54am |
Karridine.
God-good.
Devil-evil.
Double play ;)
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:54:57am |
{My Rove!} :-)
I've been thinking of bigel a lot lately. ;-)
BulgarWheat! :-)
Yeah, I threw coffee in my eyes, too, this morning. Didn't work.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:56:45am |
re: #422 Jim in Virginia
Barak is meeting Cheney? Hmmm.
How far up is your comment? I read upthread but just saw textbook stories. College for my girls is six years away. I don't want to know.
[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]
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latitude51 Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:56:54am |
re: #424 littleoldlady
I was just reading the famous last post today. lol
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BulgarWheat Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:57:20am |
#424 littleoldlady
Good morning! I like sitting on my deck (North Carolina) real early in the morning with a cup of coffee watching the east coast wake up. It's pitch black out still, but nice and quiet except fot the noise of the keyboard and an occasional "beep" when I hit the wrong key.
heh
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:58:15am |
re: #427 BulgarWheat
#424 littleoldlady
Good morning! I like sitting on my deck (North Carolina) real early in the morning with a cup of coffee watching the east coast wake up. It's pitch black out still, but nice and quiet except fot the noise of the keyboard and an occasional "beep" when I hit the wrong key.
heh
You are OUTSIDE? I hate you! We are freezing already!
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keefe Thu, Oct 18, 2007 2:59:46am |
Morning, all.
Then this fits in--
Olmert visits IDF unit in charge of Arrow missile
Benes there, done that, not going back.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:00:03am |
re: #427 BulgarWheat
Show off! :-)
Although it is warming up again here.
/Mother Nature is confused this year. S'okay by me. Not a big fan of cold.
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abolitionist Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:00:41am |
Found via headlines list at HotAir:
School Board Approves Birth Control Prescriptions at Maine Middle School
PORTLAND, Maine — Pupils at a city middle school will be able to get birth control pills and patches at their student health center after the local school board approved the proposal Wednesday evening.
The plan, offered by city health officials, makes King Middle School the first middle school in Maine to make a full range of contraception available to students in grades 6 through 8, according to the state Department of Health and Human Services.
Where are they going with this? Afghanistan? (Three-year-old bride in Afghanistan) Brave New World cummin' atcha.
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BulgarWheat Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:01:00am |
#428 galloping granny
We'll hit the 80's this afternoon, with possibility of rain. We're desperate for rain. We're having a pretty bad drought this year.
My deck is my office most of the time. In need of paint on my railings, and probably should have restained this year.
I kind of like it a little beat up. Feels more homey.
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Gruen Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:01:30am |
Good morning all!
Bhutto has made a triumphant return to Pakistan. 200,000 people lined the streets from the airport. Security is tight as the Islamonazi's want her dead., but she said
"I do not believe that any true Muslim will make an attack on me because Islam forbids attacks on women and Muslims know that if they attack a woman they will burn in hell."
Benazir my dear, you obviously don't know Muslims very well, they would gladly hang a woman based on a casual rumour....
I pray she stays safe.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:03:01am |
re: #426 latitude51
re: #424 littleoldlady
I was just reading the famous last post today. lol
Where is that?! I don't remember a "famous last post".
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:03:48am |
re: #424 littleoldlady
{My Rove!} :-)
I've been thinking of bigel a lot lately. ;-)
BulgarWheat! :-)
Yeah, I threw coffee in my eyes, too, this morning. Didn't work.
Wow. That woke me up better than coffee.
Granny: Omnia Gallia est divisa in partes tres.
Why don't we do that to the French again?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:06:15am |
re: #432 BulgarWheat
#428 galloping granny
We'll hit the 80's this afternoon, with possibility of rain. We're desperate for rain. We're having a pretty bad drought this year.
My deck is my office most of the time. In need of paint on my railings, and probably should have restained this year.
I kind of like it a little beat up. Feels more homey.
Our deck is a little beat up too. Our office and school room was once the back porch, now glassed in an "winterized" though I am "winterizing" a whole lot more (all those windows make for drafts) and we acquired a very energy efficient space heater. Homey. Lots of plants, looks out on the back yard and hill, so lots of wildlife.
We appear to be going to hit the 70's today. Some different than the frozen windshield of yesterday. You can have our rain though :)
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:07:16am |
re: #435 Jim in Virginia
re: #424 littleoldlady
{My Rove!} :-)
I've been thinking of bigel a lot lately. ;-)
BulgarWheat! :-)
Yeah, I threw coffee in my eyes, too, this morning. Didn't work.
Wow. That woke me up better than coffee.
Granny: Omnia Gallia est divisa in partes tres.
Why don't we do that to the French again?
Sounds to me like their current version of the Huns are already doing that to the French - though perhaps many more than three parts these days.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:07:24am |
re: #432 BulgarWheat
Hey Mr Wheat! How is kicking the habit going?
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BulgarWheat Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:10:17am |
#438 Jim in Virginia
The "kicking the habit" was a failure this time around.
Gonna have to climb back on the horse again soon I suppose.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:10:47am |
We have a brand spanking new deck.
/but I don't have a laptop! :-(
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gettinby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:11:41am |
Hi everyone!
3 phases of understanding Islam, imho and how my simple brain works:
1. Wha..? Don't worry so much! There are only a few of 'em who are bad.
2. Oh my...most of them don't seem to think the bad ones are bad? The "good ones" will be okay, though, once the "religion" evolves a little.
3. All of 'em are bad, IF they're really following the Koran.
I teeter somewhere between #2 and #3. I miss the days of not even knowing who the hell they are!
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BulgarWheat Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:12:31am |
#440 littleoldlady
The laptop and secured wireless have made work and my life so much more flexible.
My son even configured his Nintendo Wii to connect up to the wireless.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:13:34am |
re: #441 gettinby
Hi everyone!
3 phases of understanding Islam, imho and how my simple brain works:
1. Wha..? Don't worry so much! There are only a few of 'em who are bad.
2. Oh my...most of them don't seem to think the bad ones are bad? The "good ones" will be okay, though, once the "religion" evolves a little.
3. All of 'em are bad, IF they're really following the Koran.
I teeter somewhere between #2 and #3. I miss the days of not even knowing who the hell they are!
I guess that I would have to say that if you are going to give credence to number two as proof of the Theory of Evolution, you have just proved it to be impossible. That is, unless "evolution" can go in reverse.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:15:35am |
re: #439 BulgarWheat
#438 Jim in Virginia
The "kicking the habit" was a failure this time around.
Gonna have to climb back on the horse again soon I suppose.
Bulgar, I stopped buying the things last year about Christmas time. And since I don't buy them, I don't smoke them either. Most days I still want one, but not enough to buy them.
By the way, the suckers lie: that first one you light up, the one that smelled so good, all that one does is get you stoned. It is the SECOND smoke that gets you hooked again.
/been there, done that several times
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:15:53am |
Imagine you are the Chinese ambassador to the US. You wake up this morning to see President Bush, Speaker Pelosi and the Dali Lama (who just received the Congressional medal of Honor) on the front page of the Washington Post.
How do you say seethe in Mandarin?
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Opilio Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:21:33am |
re: #447 Jim in Virginia
Imagine you are the Chinese ambassador to the US. You wake up this morning to see President Bush, Speaker Pelosi and the Dali Lama (who just received the Congressional medal of Honor) on the front page of the Washington Post.
How do you say seethe in Mandarin?
Congressional Gold Medal, not the Congressional Medal of Honor. Big Difference.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:22:24am |
re: #447 Jim in Virginia
Imagine you are the Chinese ambassador to the US. You wake up this morning to see President Bush, Speaker Pelosi and the Dali Lama (who just received the Congressional medal of Honor) on the front page of the Washington Post.
How do you say seethe in Mandarin?
With great character...
Good morning, Lizards!
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:22:51am |
WaPo's David Ignatius: Portents of a nuclear al Qaeda.
Nothing that anyone who's been here a week hasn't seen. He'll be accused of being a neocon.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:23:14am |
re: #449 goddessoftheclassroom
re: #447 Jim in Virginia
Imagine you are the Chinese ambassador to the US. You wake up this morning to see President Bush, Speaker Pelosi and the Dali Lama (who just received the Congressional medal of Honor) on the front page of the Washington Post.
How do you say seethe in Mandarin?With great character...
Good morning, Lizards!
Morning goddess. How's things?
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:24:35am |
Opilio- thank you. I need more coffee.
{Goddess!}
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Carl in Jerusalem Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:31:21am |
Good Morning Dead Thread!
I am badly swamped with work for the next several hours, so I will not be posting much, but I did manage to get this up about Prime Minister Ehud K. Olmert's little trip today.
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:32:32am |
{gallopiong granny}
{Jim in Virgina}
I'm really fine this morning, thanks!
One of my nest friends from Virginia called me last night. I'd fallen out of touvh with her, what with the trauma and drama of the past year and a half.
We were on the phone for an hour and a half. Our friendship just picked up where it had been. Of course, she was shocked and saddened over my news, but just knowing that our affection for each other was still there meant so much.
I'm now determined to reconnect with other dear friends.
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gettinby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:34:24am |
re: #418 galloping granny
something is afoot.
Are we finally going to use some of the bombs we've paid for but aren't being used?!
/cue littleoldlady...:)
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:37:11am |
re: #453 Carl in Jerusalem
Carl! :-)
My belief is that he wants more information about Israel's attack on what was apparently a Syrian nuclear facility last month, in which Russia's Pantsyr anti-aircraft system failed miserably.
Considering Olmert is stupid enough to spill the beans I hope nobody in the IDF revealed the details.
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:38:32am |
re: #455 gettinby
re: #418 galloping granny
something is afoot.
Are we finally going to use some of the bombs we've paid for but aren't being used?!/cue littleoldlady...:)
WASTE NOT, WANT NOT.
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MigueldowninMexico Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:41:54am |
Ok, time for me to vanish from here lol
Take care all great lizards and God bless :)
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:43:37am |
{littleoldlady}
We had a terrific guest speaker at school the other day from the state attorney general's office discussing Internet safety for teens.
My Baby Lizard came in to the study, saw me typing, and very seriously said, "Mom, do you know these people?"
I laughed and said, "Yes--and no." I readdured them that I wasn't setting up rendezvous...
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gettinby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:44:19am |
Prehistoric Beach Bums vs. Global Cooling
Wonder if they had their very own al-gore to warn them and make them pay in beads for causing it?
Heh...Shaman Al was his name, bead credits was his game!
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:45:33am |
Good Morning Lizards.
On the topic, the piece at the Old Grey Hag should have been titled "Aiding and Abetting Thine Enemy".
On the brighter side, NYT stock finish yesterday at $18.48 a share, down a new 52 week low
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trailortrash Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:49:12am |
:waves: mornin lizards :)
this is crazyness, how can the nyt be allowed to even post such blatant anti-us bs and still operate in this country?
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littleoldlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:50:29am |
re: #460 goddessoftheclassroom
goddess,
I get, "You're not talking about me again on LGF, are you?!"
;-)
/I embarrass her on a daily basis.
//I live for that...
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goddessoftheclassroom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:51:33am |
re: #464 littleoldlady
We're SO GOOD at our jobs! We should ask for a raise...
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:55:42am |
Accidentally hit post on my #462...
To continue my analysis, NYT stock finished at a new 52 week low, having lost 2.27% of value yesterday.
The decline has been consistant over the last several years. If you look at the last 2 years of NYT stock performance, you see a significant drop from a high of $29 and change in December of 06 to the new low of yesterday. In very round numbers they have lost about 36% of value in that time, or more than an 18% loss per year. I know of very few professional investors who will keep a dog like that in their portfolios, regardless of political views.
I always tell my investment and economics students that the market tells you everything you need to know about your company, if you will only listen to the message.
The market is telling the NYT that they are a joke of a news source.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 3:57:38am |
re: #463 trailortrash
this is crazyness, how can the nyt be allowed to even post such blatant anti-us bs and still operate in this country?
Just keep hitting them in the pocket book. Eventually they will have to change or close.
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gettinby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:01:46am |
littleold lady and goddess, and mothers everywhere!
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bp sf Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:02:04am |
3 wood:
The NYT distribution center in Edison, NJ has new signage visible from the NJ Turnpike:
"AVAILABLE" (with a realtor's phone #)
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Thanos Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:05:26am |
The "insurgency" is petering out, so the NYTheads have to do a recruiting drive. It's not a quaqmire if nobody's dying. These are not the AQ you are looking for... keep driving...
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:16:31am |
WaPo "National and Homeland Security" blogger Barkin' Arkin: The Hilary Doctrine is highly unsatisfying.
The column is dull but the comments are fun
Israel is the most likely pertetrator of 9/11....
The Hillary Doctrine is superior to the former Monroe Doctrine - it takes into consideration the needs of all people of the world...
more americans voted for john kerry than ever voted for bill clinton....
I would rather right in Barack Obama ...
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gettinby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:17:25am |
Tampa Tribune is apparently declining in circulation (and it is well deserved imo).
This is the most recent report that I can find.
They called us yesterday to ask why we cancelled a couple years ago and did we want to subscribe again, FOR ONLY $13 FOR A 6-MONTH PERIOD!
I told them when they stopped leaning left, we would consider it.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:19:05am |
re: #466 3 wood
I saw where one of big investment houses (Salomen?) dumped all their NYT stock yesterday.
A little late, maybe?
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committed Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:20:22am |
re: #463 trailortrash
:waves: mornin lizards :)
this is crazyness, how can the nyt be allowed to even post such blatant anti-us bs and still operate in this country?
This is certainly not the same country that my grandparents lived in. The leftists with their anti-Bush, anti-war rant allow and encourage this type of report. The irony of it all is that these people they prop up in the video would take away every freedom we have if given the chance. Especially the ones that our leftist friends hold so dear.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:23:27am |
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JeffinSac Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:24:24am |
I have just the report now for them. I just heard about this story and after watching the interview of a crime victim who was robbed 42 times in the last year and shot 2 of the robbers in 3 weeks, my jaw dropped.
It sounds like she was suspended, but bet she can get a job no problem at the NY Times next.
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guiltfree Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:25:26am |
Why has no one dug up old footage and reports from the 90's showing Iraqis decrying Saddam's reign of murder and asking the world why no one is helping them? What a nice counterpoint that would make to ridiculous spectacles like this "op ed" of the NYT showing America's presence as unwelcome. It would prove a despicable regional ingratitude.
I have been wondering this for a while.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:27:14am |
re: #469 bp sf
The NYT distribution center in Edison, NJ has new signage visible from the NJ Turnpike:"AVAILABLE" (with a realtor's phone #)
I also hear there is a line at the copiers in many of the the NYT offices with staffers making copies of their resumes. They see the handwritting on the wall.
Usually I do not enjoy hearing about a business hitting tough times, cause it always invoves real suffering by everyday workers. I've been in that situation myself, it is awful to go through.
In this case though, I see it as something that is a self inflicted wound caused by the intentional self-destruction of the main stockholder due to their political agenda, and has to happen. It's like pulling a rotten tooth.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:30:07am |
Word for the day: factitious
Function: adjective
1: produced by humans rather than by natural forces
2 a: formed by or adapted to an artificial or conventional standard b: produced by special effort : sham
Appropriate.
Coz will come along and supply another, but I learned this one from C.S. Lewis, and knew if I waited long enough that I'd find a good spot for it.
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Thanos Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:32:32am |
Benazir Bhutto is in Karachi now.
Hundreds of thousands showed up to greet her.
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LC LaWedgie Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:35:03am |
Law firm’s gifts to Democrats bring questions
Despite scandal, top candidates still taking donations from Milberg Weiss
Over the years, as it became Exhibit A for critics of shareholders’ class-action lawsuits, the law firm of Milberg Weiss often enjoyed the support of Democrats who called the suits an invaluable weapon in the universal conflict between big business and the little guy.
The Democrats, in turn, enjoyed the support of Milberg Weiss and its partners, who together contributed more than $7 million to the party’s candidates since the 1980s.
Last year, the firm was indicted on federal charges of fraud and bribery. But the political partnership has not been entirely severed. Since the indictment, 26 Democrats around the country, including four presidential candidates, have accepted $150,000 in campaign contributions from people connected to Milberg Weiss, according to state and federal campaign finance records. And some Democrats have taken public actions that potentially helped the firm or its former partners.
The recent contributors include current and former Milberg partners who had either been indicted or were widely reported to be facing potential criminal problems when they wrote their checks. One of them, William S. Lerach , was a fund-raiser for John Edwards ’s presidential campaign until his guilty plea last month. Melvyn I. Weiss , a founder of the firm, gave the maximum $4,600 to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton in June. Other firm members contributed to the presidential campaigns of Senators Barack Obama and Joseph R. Biden Jr.
The usual suspects.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:36:26am |
re: #474 Jim in Virginia
I saw where one of big investment houses (Salomen?) dumped all their NYT stock yesterday.
A little late, maybe?
That was Morgan Stanley, and the story was covered here by, ahem, someone you know.
It all boils down to earnings. If their earnings keeps eroding (cause no one will by their garbage) then the professional investors will keep dumping it. Eventually, it will drop in investment grade so much that most pension fund managers and fiduciaries can not have it in their portfolios by their investment policy.
When that happens, you can stick a fork in them.
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tubbyhubby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:37:07am |
re: #412 galloping granny
re: #407 MigueldowninMexico
Granny
It was a shame about that Spanish teacher, but such is life, I guess.
And you could speak in German too huh? Sehr gut! ;)
I can also read a little French, Portuguese and Italian if I must - though mostly kitchen stuff.All of our languages are pretty directly descended from Latin. And a good chunk of English is pretty directly German. I was lucky enough to go to school back in the days when before you could take any language class you had to take one full year of Latin. Once you know Latin (and you can certainly acquire most of the vocab in a year or so) then the rest just aren't that hard to learn. Latin is also the key to science and medicine, what they hide behind to keep those disciplines out of the reach of the normal person, keep them mysterious and "difficult."
I'm making the kiddo learn Latin now.
Any pointers on teaching myself Latin? My HS dropped the requirement about 5 years before I matriculated. The science instructors drilled us pretty well on the various Latin and Greek roots, so most Latin based news articles aren't so difficult to read. Problem is, my kids are getting none of that, so I want to be able to teach them.
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Widow'smight Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:43:57am |
re: #485 3 wood
Not only that, but when these large investors start trying to sell all their shares, the price will really take a dump since they have to find buyers for the stock, sending it into a tailspin.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:46:22am |
By the way, any Saaawks fans lurking out there?
If so, what's the take on Beantown on this:
Ramirez: Red Sox losing ALCS wouldn't be 'end of the world'
With the Red Sox just one loss from elimination, the star slugger was asked about Game 5 of the AL championship series against Cleveland."Why should we panic?" he said Wednesday in a rare clubhouse interview. "We've got a great team."
And then, this: "It doesn't happen, so who cares? There's always next year. It's not like it's the end of the world."
Oh, Manny.
If anything Ramirez has been trying too hard to win, over swinging at the plate trying to hit a 6 run homer every time up. But my guess is this is not sitting real well with the average Boston Red Sox diehard.
This like when a Bears player says the Geen Bay game is just another game on the schedule to them.
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David IV of Georgia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:49:42am |
I just woke up and should have left the house already. IMHO this is enemy propaganda and should be treated as such by our courts. Not all speech is protected. We already knew some people didn't want us in Iraq, that's hardly news. If no one cared that we had arrived, there would have been no war. I don't care why they are killing our troops. Congress and the President authorized our troops to be there.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:51:51am |
re: #487 Widow'smight
Not only that, but when these large investors start trying to sell all their shares, the price will really take a dump since they have to find buyers for the stock, sending it into a tailspin.
Yep. Among other things I happen to be the fiduciary for a meduim sized pension fund, and I can guarantee you we have no holdings of NYT. But that is not because of anything but their lack of earings. There are too many good stocks out there to keep holding soemthing that has lost 36% in value over the last 2 years.
I called my FA many moons ago about dumping any NYT holding baecasue of their poor earnings. He laughed and had already done so. He knows how I think.
I suspect you will see a gradual continual deterioration of their stock value, unless they come through with some serious EPS but quick.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:52:44am |
I just opened my local (well, not really) rag and I see on page 3 that Valerie "Let me introduce my wife, she works for the CIA" Plame is back!
She claims the criticism she endured was a dress rehearsal for the Swift Boat effort that 'impugned' St. JFK. Wow. Who knew?
Yes. It is true that St. JFK is a liar of monstrous proportions, but don't flatter yourself that you were just a test run for some evil plot, honey - you weren't.
Nobody needed a 'test run' to impugn that AssBucket. And nobody needed to go very far to out your sorry self, either.
Okay. I need Java.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:54:27am |
re: #489 David IV of Georgia
IMHO this is enemy propaganda and should be treated as such by our courts.
Agreed.
I just wonder when the NYT will start running snuff films of our troops. I'm serious.
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JamesTKirk Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:54:40am |
Wow. NYT continues to make the Washington Post look stellar by comparison.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:55:58am |
re: #480 guiltfree
Why has no one dug up old footage and reports from the 90's showing Iraqis decrying Saddam's reign of murder and asking the world why no one is helping them? ...I have been wondering this for a while.
GuiltFree, YOU get the Hat Tip here, an old media cut to MP3.
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Jim in Virginia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:56:07am |
re: #490 3 wood
unless they come through with some serious EPS
As a mass media giant in an Internet age, how do they pull that rabbit out of a hat?
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Llanite Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:57:17am |
Oh whoops - I thought this was the betting pool for how low their stock would go, not the betting pool for how low their morals would sink...
After watching the video I'm betting not any deeper than the 8th circle of Hell.... Any takers? I'll offer 2:1 odds that's where they all end up.
Eighth Circle: Bolgia 9: A sword-wielding devil hacks at the sowers of discord. As they make their rounds the wounds heal, only to have the devil tear apart their bodies again.
or perhaps:
Eighth Circle: Bolgia 4: False prophets have their heads twisted around on their bodies backward, so they can only see what is behind them and not into the future.
or perhaps:
Eighth Circle: Bolgia 6: The bridge over this bolgia is broken: the poets climb down into it and find the Hypocrites listlessly walking along wearing gold-gilded lead cloaks. It is ironic in this canto that whilst in the company of hypocrites, the poets also discover that the guardians of the fraudulent (the malebranche) are hypocrites themselves, as they find that they have lied to them, giving false directions, when at the same time they are punishing liars for similar sins.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:58:14am |
Morning all. 68 degrees and foggy in Chambodia, hopefully we'll get some serious rain the next few days.
re: #492 3 wood
I just wonder when the NYT will start running snuff films of our troops. I'm serious.
They practically do that already. I suspect they download them to their computers at work.
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Oct 18, 2007 4:59:59am |
A week ago, the world had stopped rotating on its axis, Lee Bollinger rushed to condemns all acts of "hate", but curiously Columbia was oddly hesitant to hand over the vedotapes.
Since then? Silence.
I figures I'd mention this since there was another purported incident on Long Island.
Whatever Happened to That Columbia Noose Incident?
Will the army of New York media, with their vast resources, even do a follow-up on the alleged incident at Columbia?
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infidel4ever Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:00:50am |
Martin Amis launches fresh attack on Muslim faith saying Islamic states are 'less evolved'The author Martin Amis has claimed he feels 'morally superior' to Muslim states which are not as 'evolved' as the Western world.
Responding to long-running accusations that he is Islamophobic, Amis launched a fresh invective against the Muslim faith and many of its followers.He admitted his late father and grandfather had been racist but then claimed radical Muslims were the real racists, misogynists and homophobes.
His latest comments came in a TV news interview last night and during the Cheltenham Literature Festival last week.The Muslim Council of Britain branded them racist and 'shameful'.
In an interview with Jon Snow on Channel Four News, Amis declared: 'I feel morally superior to Islamists, by some distance. I feel an intellectual distance to Islam.
'There are great problems with Islam. The Koran recommends the beating of women.
'The anti-Semites, the psychotic misogynists and the homophobes are the Islamists.'
Days earlier, Amis shocked festivalgoers in Cheltenham with claims that Muslim states are less 'civilised' than Western society.
'Some societies are just more evolved than others,' he said. 'I am not saying these people are genetically incapable of not being terrorists.
'These societies are arming themselves with weapons like the AK47 and blowing people up on buses and Tubes.'
When one member of his audience suggested not all Muslims were terrorists he retorted: 'No one else is doing it.
snip.
[Link: www.dailymail.co.uk...]
This whining about racism is getting sooooooooooo old...
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:02:25am |
re: #496 Llanite
Apropos of Circle 8, Bolgia 6, General Sanchez had the following to say about the media (the people who made him into a hero for the anti-war crowd):
"It seems that as long as you get a front-page story there is little or no regard for the 'collateral damage' you will cause. Personal reputations have no value and you report with total impunity and are rarely held accountable for unethical conduct. . . . You assume that you are correct and on the moral high ground.""The speculative and often uninformed initial reporting that characterizes our media appears to be rapidly becoming the standard of the industry." "Tactically insignificant events have become strategic defeats." And: "The death knell of your ethics has been enabled by your parent organizations who have chosen to align themselves with political agendas. What is clear to me is that you are perpetuating the corrosive partisan politics that is destroying our country and killing our service members who are at war."
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Mekan Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:05:01am |
If Americans do not stand up to the people that propagate this garbage America deserves defeat. Enough is enough. I have long felt that many on the left were unpatriotic, but now I see many of those as traitors. When will we call a spade a spade?
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:05:27am |
Obama gets more support:
Black governor picks Obama over Hillary
BOSTON -- Massachusetts Gov. Deval Patrick, a one-time Clinton administration aide, has decided to endorse Barack Obama over rival Hillary Rodham Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary.While Patrick served in the 1990s as head of the Justice Department's civil rights division under former President Clinton, husband of the New York senator, he also shares a strong connection with Obama.
Patrick grew up on Chicago's South Side, where Obama lives, and they both were black student leaders at Harvard Law School.
Notice there is nothing about agreeing on policy here. I don't have enough political savey to know if endorsement is significant or not. One politician is abou the same to me as another.
But at some point, you just know the wombat is going to go after Obama and rip him a new one.
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irish rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:06:56am |
F*ing hell, this really is too much!
These assholes are compromising the safety of my family, including my son who is active duty USMC, and I'm past the point of angry.
The New York Times is dead. Their readership has hit an all time low, but they still continue on with their ugly business in the name of politics because nothing else matters to them anymore. How anyone could think that this is an impartial news agency anymore is beyond me.
Even more sad, are the pathetic readers remaining who know this, losers who justify their subscriptions and patronage because they feel that partisan reporting for the sake of the political machine, is more important than journalistic integrity.
It's time for this dishonorable, miserable rag to go the way of the National Enquirer. The elitist editors at the Times are clearly on someones' payroll, and they have no fear of litigation or retribution. It's long past time to hold these ignorant, arrogant morons accountable for the damage they have done and continue to do this nation.
If the government isn't going to do anything about these treasonous bastards, can we the people do anything to stop them? What they are doing affects or will affect all of us, in one way or another.
I'm sure they are feeling a financial crunch due to decreased readership, but clearly they have some very wealthy backers. Can we open a massive class action lawsuit or take steps to censure them legally? Are there any law firms in New York with the courage to take on the Times?
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:06:59am |
From today's WSJ:
Gen. Sanchez's Scream: He indicted everyone involved in Iraq, including the media and Congress
Over the past weekend there were front-page accounts everywhere of Gen. Ricardo S. Sanchez's description of the war in Iraq as a "nightmare." The New York Times led its story this way:"In a sweeping indictment of the four-year effort in Iraq, the former top commander of American forces there called the Bush administration's handling of the war 'incompetent' and said the result was 'a nightmare with no end in sight.' " Gen. Sanchez said this last Friday to a gathering of reporters and editors in Washington who cover military affairs. It was a dramatic denunciation from the man who led U.S. forces in Iraq from 2003 to 2004.
On Monday my colleague John Fund wrote an item for the Journal editorial page's daily email newsletter, Political Diary, noting that most of the news reports of the speech had failed to note that Gen. Sanchez had also severely criticized the press's performance in Iraq. "For some of you," Gen. Sanchez said to the reporters, "the truth is of little to no value if it does not fit your own preconceived notions, biases and agendas."
By now I was curious to see what Gen. Sanchez actually did say. The full text is an indictment all right, of everyone connected to this war--the president, the press, Congress, the bureaucracy and maybe the country itself.
He gives a selection of quotes, most of which the NYSlimes wouldn't have mentioned, and then closes with these observations:
He says leaving Iraq is not an option, and he has no doubt about the threat: "As a nation we must recognize that the enemy we face is committed to destroying our way of life."
In sum, what Gen. Sanchez is describing here is a nation that is at risk and is in a state of disunity. Does disunity matter? He is saying that in war, it does.
In politics, a degree of disunity is normal. But in our time, partisan disunity has become the norm. The purpose of politics now is to thwart, to stop.
We may have underestimated how corrosive our disunity has been on the troops in Iraq, and how deeply it has damaged us.
Those of us in politics--politicians, reporters, bureaucrats--are largely inured to all this, and we seem to have assumed that the system shares our infinite capacity for antipathy and tumult. But is this occupational toughness natural to politics, or is it cynicism? I don't think the soldiers or the American people see the difference.
Arguably it is the proper role of politics to intervene, to question. But during Vietnam and again now, we haven't been able to avoid simultaneously putting troops on the battlefield while fighting bitterly amongst ourselves at home for the length of the war.
The U.S. officer corps is aware of this. While no one is talking about a stab in the back, they may conclude that the home front and its institutions are unable to, or will not, protect their back.
One may ask: Will we ever want to do this again? Are we able to undertake military missions that prove difficult? Or is the projection of U.S. military power into the world an idea that now irreparably divides the American people? Before November 2008, we had better have some answers, from our presidential candidates and from ourselves.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:10:09am |
BEIJING — The United States has "gravely undermined" relations with China by giving the Dalai Lama an award, the Chinese government said Thursday.On Wednesday, U.S. President George W. Bush presented Tibet's exiled spiritual leader with the U.S. Congress' highest civilian honor and urged Chinese leaders to welcome him to Beijing.
"The move of the United States is a blatant interference with China's internal affairs which has severely hurt the feelings of the Chinese people and gravely undermined the relations between China and the United States," Foreign Ministry spokesman Liu Jianchao told a news conference
. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:11:25am |
Former Premier Benazir Bhutto Returns to Pakistan
After eight years in exile the former prime minister returned to Pakistan amidst tens of thousands of supporters.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:11:55am |
re: #495 Jim in Virginia
As a mass media giant in an Internet age, how do they pull that rabbit out of a hat?
Oh, I doubt they can, I'm just talking possibilities however remote.
Maybe they can sell off some assets to get a short term bump in the numbers. You can also do a few things to manipluate your inventory and balance sheet numbers to create a short term earnings jump out of thin air that are borderline unethical/illegal.
Or, and this is a really remote possiblity, they can drop the political agenda and actually start reporting the news legitimately rather than being a shameless shill and whoring out their pages for the left. But that is probably beyind them now.
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Widow'smight Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:12:04am |
re: #490 3 wood
It's obvious to me the NYT is not run as a business in which they are trying to sell a product, rather they're more like a non-profit propaganda outfit. They have not changed their business model to give people what they want.
Information, not opinion will sell. Other than the crossword puzzle (for my mom) there is absolutely no reason to buy the Rag. Our Dairy farmer friend likes to use old newspapers for his cow though.
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chubby vegan Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:12:26am |
Ok, just got up and saw this...Are you effing kidding me?
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:13:07am |
Russia is working on new types of nuclear weapons as part of a project to enhance the country's defense capabilities, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Thursday."We are developing a missile technology which will include a completely new complex nuclear strategy," said Putin at question and answer session in Moscow.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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irish rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:13:18am |
BTW, good morning lizards.
Still trying to deal with a nasty bit of strep throat, but I will endeavor to be less cranky today.
At least the coffee goes down.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:14:12am |
re: #503 irish rose
Good morning Rose. I hope you are feeling better today.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:15:03am |
Even though Russian President Vladimir Putin was not convinced of Iran's intentions, any person could realize that no country would invest the sums needed to build long range ballistic missiles without the ability of mounting nuclear warheads on them, President Shimon Peres said Thursday.The president was speaking with the Israeli-Palestinian Forum of Bereaved Families.
"Iran," Peres said, "is an imperialist state and it is no secret that they want to take over the Muslim world, the Middle East and anywhere else they can reach."
The president also rejected rumors about his health. Peres said he was feeling well and added that his doctors said he was as fit as a young person
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:15:07am |
re: #505 storagemanager
BEIJING — The United States has "gravely undermined" relations with China by giving the Dalai Lama an award, the Chinese government said Thursday.. [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Boo effin' hoo.
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chubby vegan Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:15:52am |
Kind of like the t-shirt I once saw, "But, what about all the Good things Hitler did?"
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:16:01am |
re: #511 irish rose
Good Morning Irish Rose. Glad to hear you're feeling better. Coffee is essential.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:16:25am |
Putin calls for dialogue with Iran instead of imposing sanctions
Bombs will fall soon. [Link: www.jpost.com...]
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:18:24am |
re: #514 lucius septimius
China,Russia,Iran,Syria,North Korea,Cuba,and Hugo....boo ho?
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:19:13am |
re: #503 irish rose
If the government isn't going to do anything about these treasonous bastards, can we the people do anything to stop them? What they are doing affects or will affect all of us, in one way or another.
I'm sure they are feeling a financial crunch due to decreased readership, but clearly they have some very wealthy backers. Can we open a massive class action lawsuit or take steps to censure them legally? Are there any law firms in New York with the courage to take on the Times?
Just keep doing what is already being done...not buying their junk and pointing out their lies at every opporunity.
The fastest way to bring them to their knees is stand back and let their profitabilty plummet.
Once they drop below investment grade in the market, they are done for. No lefties out there have enough money to prop them up at that point.
Sooner or later, it will boil down to money.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:20:06am |
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the US should set a date for a withdrawal from Iraq.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:20:39am |
Meanwhile, in other news:
World Doesn't End, Undertakers Hardest Hit
A few years back, Australian blogger Arthur Chrenkoff did a running series for this Web site (OpinionJournal) rounding up good news from Iraq. Sometimes he had to look pretty hard for good news. You may remember the time when he noted that one of the benefits of all the carnage in Iraq was that business was booming at Iraqi cemeteries.You may, but you probably don't, because it didn't happen. Proponents of the Iraq war (this column included) might have been a bit Pollyannaish at times, but there are limits.
Not so for the other side, though. A report from the McClatchy Newspapers Washington Bureau actually carries the headline "As Violence Falls in Iraq, Cemetery Workers Feel the Pinch":
At what's believed to be the world's largest cemetery, where Shiite Muslims aspire to be buried and millions already have been, business isn't good.A drop in violence around Iraq has cut burials in the huge Wadi al Salam cemetery here by at least one-third in the past six months, and that's cut the pay of thousands of workers who make their living digging graves, washing corpses or selling burial shrouds. . . .
"I always think of the increasing and decreasing of the dead," said Sameer Shaaban, 23, one of more than 100 workers who specialize in ceremonially washing the corpses. "People want more and more money, and I am one of them, but most of the workers in this field don't talk frankly, because they wish for more coffins, to earn more and more."
Well, Sameer, cheer up. Just remember, everyone's going to die eventually!
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Irene NYC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:20:40am |
Hate to say it, but there are plenty of ways a newspaper can continue printing total garbage and stay in business, totally immune to market forces. The Guardian, for example, is at least as leftwing as the NYT, but as Wikipedia explains:
The Guardian is part of the GMG Guardian Media Group of newspapers, radio stations, and print media including The Observer Sunday newspaper, the Manchester Evening News, Money Observer financial magazine, The Guardian Weekly International newspaper, Guardian Monthly magazine, and new media - Guardian Abroad website, and Guardian Unlimited, one of the most popular online news resources on the Internet. All the aforementioned are owned by The Scott Trust, a charitable foundation which aims to ensure the newspaper's editorial independence in perpetuity, maintaining its financial health to ensure it does not become vulnerable to take over by for-profit media groups, and the serious compromise of editorial independence that this often brings.
Don't think for a moment that the leftwing won't do what it takes to keep its favorite newspaper in business. By hook or by crook as they say. . . .
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:21:29am |
re: #508 Widow'smight
They have not changed their business model to give people what they want.
I'm hearing on the street that this is why Morgan Stanley dumped them. The owners refuse to recognize reality and are therefore bound and determined to drive the thing into the ground in the pursuit of their political agenda.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:21:50am |
Iran on Front Burner: Livni to China, PM in Russia
Bombs will fall soon. [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
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tubbyhubby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:22:13am |
Heh. Before I read this, I was working on my coffee and getting the kids up and ready. Our morning conversations usually go pretty far afield. Somewhere along the line, maybe prompted by having Fox News in the background, the NYT came up. My eleven year old wondered why anyone would read them. My fifteen year old pointed out reading is not believing, and it is sometimes good to see how the enemy thinks. Let us hope the adults among our country's teens outnumber the ruinously deluded children among our current crop of press elites.
Most of my sons friends get it. They hit the age of knowledge of a greater world on or after 9/11. Looking at them, I see a bright light at the end of about a 15 year long tunnel.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:23:14am |
re: #512 3 wood
I like your nickname by the way. We almost named one of our daughters Rose.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:23:55am |
re: #523 3 wood
re: #508 Widow'smight
They have not changed their business model to give people what they want.
I'm hearing on the street that this is why Morgan Stanley dumped them. The owners refuse to recognize reality and are therefore bound and determined to drive the thing into the ground in the pursuit of their political agenda.
That is what I heard too. On the other hand, they are part and parcel of the same group that owns the Boston Globe, St. Petersburg Times, I think the LA Times and virtually every local paper in New England.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:24:21am |
Ooops, my #526 was meant for Irish Rose.
Working and blogging......
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:24:29am |
re: #520 storagemanager
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the US should set a date for a withdrawal from Iraq.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Pooty Poot should set a date for when he's going to STFU.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:25:22am |
Iraqi Contracts With Iran and China Concern U.S.
Writing is on the wall...just read it. [Link: www.nytimes.com...]
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tubbyhubby Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:27:25am |
re: #529 JammieWearingFool
re: #520 storagemanager
Russian President Vladimir Putin has said the US should set a date for a withdrawal from Iraq.
[Link: news.bbc.co.uk...]
Pooty Poot should set a date for when he's going to STFU.
Whatever happened to the Condi Rice that once patiently explained to Tim Russert that now the U.S. was the world's only super-power, of course we would do what it took to make sure no one rose high enough to challenge us?
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:27:38am |
Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers engaged in an armed standoff with nearly 30 American law enforcement officials on the southern U.S. border, according to Texas police and the FBI.At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns when U.S. Border Patrol agents called for backup Monday, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported.
The paper said Mexican military Humvees were towing what appeared to be thousands of pounds of marijuana across the border into the U.S., according to Chief Deputy Mike Doyal of the Hudspeth County Sheriff's Department.
The incident took place on the Rio Grande near Neely's Crossing, about 50 miles east of El Paso.
"It's been so bred into everyone not to start an international incident with Mexico that it's been going on for years," Doyal told the Daily Bulletin. "When you're up against mounted machine guns, what can you do? Who wants to pull the trigger first? Certainly not us."
[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:28:05am |
re: #518 storagemanager
And who on that list has ever been a friend? Two cranky hegemon-wannabes and their sluttish entourage. With those folks, we strain relations when we get out of bed in the morning.
Are they a threat? Yes. Are they connected? Yes. Do they constitute a well organized united front? Hardly. Will this send them over the brink? Not likely.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:28:33am |
Meanwhile, looks like a lot of civil strife in France and Germany.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:29:12am |
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Thursday that time was ripe for heads of certain European countries to act independently."Independent move of heads of certain European states will be in their own interest. We welcome independent views of certain governments," Ahmadinejad said while addressing the general meeting of High Council for Provinces.
"Heads of European states would rescue their nations by their independent acts because action without dependence would bear no fruits," he added
[Link: www2.irna.com...]
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Attaboid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:29:22am |
The water's boiling. Will it be tea or coffee?
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:31:12am |
re: #533 lucius septimius
re: #518 storagemanager
And who on that list has ever been a friend? Two cranky hegemon-wannabes and their sluttish entourage. With those folks, we strain relations when we get out of bed in the morning.
Are they a threat? Yes. Are they connected? Yes. Do they constitute a well organized united front? Hardly. Will this send them over the brink? Not likely.
With all respect...you are wrong....this is 1938...and they are the new Japan,Germany and Italy.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:32:53am |
Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday stressed the importance of boosting political and economic cooperation with Iran, as a great and historic neighbor to Russia.Speaking live on national television and radio with Russians from across the vast country, Putin said that Iran and Russia always have close ties and the two countries should develop their good neighborly relations.
He added that during his recent visit to Tehran, he held talks with Iranian leaders on the Caspian Sea, nuclear energy, oil, gas and electricity adding that he was pleased with outcome of his Tehran trip.
On Iran's nuclear issue, he said Russia and other members of the international community would consider interest of Iranian people and that of the world community in dealing with the issue.
[Link: www2.irna.com...]
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:33:20am |
re: #486 tubbyhubby
I can't speak to the subject of modern Latin texts, but for self-teaching, I'd look for any high school text from the sixties, or so. By then, the requirement was being dropped, so the books were being tracked toward those students who actually wanted to learn Latin. Mine were, I believe, un-originally titled "First Year Latin", "Second Year Latin", and "Third Year Latin". First Year is vocabulary, declensions and conjugations. Second Year gets you into the finer rules of grammar, the use of subjunctive and indirect discourse (you need that to read Plutarch and Caesar). Third Year, it's off to the races. The wonderful world of the interweb brings these old texts back within our reach. A knowledge of Latin vocabulary opens up a universe of etymologies, and gets you mad props in Romania. Vale!
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:34:54am |
Iran-Ahmadinejad-Reporters
President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said here Thursday that his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin had carried a message of friendship and cooperation for Iran.The president made the remark while speaking to reporters on the sidelines of the general meeting of the High Council for Provinces.
Asked whether Putin had presented any proposal regarding the nuclear issue in his message, he said, "Putin made no words about this case."
"Both sides had messages of friendship and bilateral cooperation.We said we are determined to hold talks," the president added.
He stated that talks were held in an amicable atmosphere, adding, "Russia has said it will complete construction of Iran's Bushehr power plant."
"In his interview with reporters, Putin has also announced that Russia will carry out works on Bushehr power plant and will complete it," he said."Russia is responsible for completion of Bushehr plant and we think this
[Link: www2.irna.com...]
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:36:23am |
In the meeting, which happened on the sidelines of the 34th meeting of the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO) general conference in Paris, Zahedi referred to Iran's government and nation's interest in the Venezuela government and nation and said, "I have had three meetings with President Chavez in Tehran and I believe the president's revolutionary stances concerning international developments are close to the ones of the Islamic Republic of Iran."
The Venezuelan minister also called for expansion of ties between the two countries and said, "Venezuela defends Iran's world stances, because we believe that the world must be multi-polar."
He added, "We are interested to use Iran's achievements in different fields
[Link: www2.irna.com...]
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:36:57am |
re: #519 3 wood
re: #503 irish rose
If the government isn't going to do anything about these treasonous bastards, can we the people do anything to stop them? What they are doing affects or will affect all of us, in one way or another.
I'm sure they are feeling a financial crunch due to decreased readership, but clearly they have some very wealthy backers. Can we open a massive class action lawsuit or take steps to censure them legally? Are there any law firms in New York with the courage to take on the Times?
Just keep doing what is already being done...not buying their junk and pointing out their lies at every opporunity.
The fastest way to bring them to their knees is stand back and let their profitabilty plummet.
Once they drop below investment grade in the market, they are done for. No lefties out there have enough money to prop them up at that point.
Sooner or later, it will boil down to money.
Yes, but how long will that take and how much more damage is going to be done?
The editors at the Times are jeopardizing our national security, and the ongoing encouragement of our enemy is putting the lives of US military personnel at risk. And they don't just betray the US with this garbage, they also betray our coalition partners.
Personally, I don't think that as a nation we can afford to sit back and wait for their stocks to plummet. Something really has to be done about this, and yesterday... if our government is not willing to do it, then its' time for American citizens to take action.
This is treason, nothing more and nothing less. Lives have been lost already because of the terror-enabling work of the Times, and more lives will be lost... it's time to shut the damned thing down, and hold these people accountable for their crimes.
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stashiu Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:38:37am |
NYT has become a 'progressive' edition of the National Enquirer. Sorry for the slight to the National Enquirer.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:38:58am |
Laura Bush ALREADY did this, last year, and I wrote about the absurdity of it all. But, in the Bush Administration, every dumb pander to Islam must be repeated a million times over.The last time Laura Bush went on a Middle East tour, she lectured the Islamic folks there about the most pressing problem facing women. If you thought the prob was female castrations/clitorectomies, honor killings, honor suicides, being forced to wear a hijab, niqab, or burqa, forced arranged marriages, or the lack of rights of women to obtain a divorce, own property, or drive, you would be . . . . WRONG
[Link: www.debbieschlussel.com...]
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:39:55am |
Gee, what a surprise.
O.J. Simpson among those on California tax shame list
Simpson, the former American football star who in the 1990s was acquitted of murder in a highly publicized trial, owes California $1.44 million,
He must be too busy looking for the real killer (at assorted golf courses and in Las Vegas) to pay his taxes.
I bet he can cut and slash his way through the paperwork, and take a stab at terminating this debt.
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Carl in Jerusalem Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:40:45am |
Back to work :-(
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Attaboid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:40:55am |
re: #539 Pullus Iulius
I attended a private Jesuit high school where we had Latin for three years. We never really got beyond "first year Latin". Before the final exam Father Bertoli told us a little story. Wouldn't you know we had to translate a 200 word piece on the final. It was the aforementioned story.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:41:06am |
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:41:20am |
ARBIL, Iraq -- Wrapped in the red-white-and-green Kurdish flags that are banned in Turkey, several thousand Iraqi Kurds took to the streets of Arbil Thursday to protest the threat of a Turkish incursion."Violation over the Kurdistan border is a violation of the people of Kurdistan," chanted one. "No, no, to the Turkish threat, yes, yes, to peace," shouted another.
Several thousand students, government workers, and union representatives massed outside the UN building in Arbil, the seat of Iraq's autonomous Kurdish government in the north of the country, to denounce the developments in Ankara.
The Turkish parliament Wednesday gave permission to the military to launch an incursion into northern Iraq to crack down on rebels from the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has bases in Iraqi territory.
Carrying Kurdish flags and banners written in Arabic, Kurdish, and English, protestors called for help to stop the Turks from launching any military action.
"We demand that the Iraqi government and international community stand together against the Turkish threat," said one protestor
[Link: www.metimes.com...]
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:41:30am |
Wow! Incredible!
The Times never fails to amaze me... This will be big fodder for Talk Radio, or 'hate radio' as Nancy from San Francy calls it...
Good morning Lizards...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:41:46am |
re: #539 Pullus Iulius
re: #486 tubbyhubby
I can't speak to the subject of modern Latin texts, but for self-teaching, I'd look for any high school text from the sixties, or so. By then, the requirement was being dropped, so the books were being tracked toward those students who actually wanted to learn Latin. Mine were, I believe, un-originally titled "First Year Latin", "Second Year Latin", and "Third Year Latin". First Year is vocabulary, declensions and conjugations. Second Year gets you into the finer rules of grammar, the use of subjunctive and indirect discourse (you need that to read Plutarch and Caesar). Third Year, it's off to the races. The wonderful world of the interweb brings these old texts back within our reach. A knowledge of Latin vocabulary opens up a universe of etymologies, and gets you mad props in Romania. Vale!
You will find the Cambridge Latin series that we all learned Latin from readily available to purchase online. For that matter, you can take the class from Cambridge University with an online tutor for a reasonable amount of $. [Link: www.cambridgescp.com...]
Rosetta Stone offers a newer way to learn Latin via computer immersion - also a tried and true method that has been used for other languages for years. [Link: www.rosettastone.com...]
There is a student discount for valid students/teachers. Homeschoolers do count.
Last, but hardly least, if you are looking for something to share with youngsters not quite ready for Cambridge, there is the Minimus series - Minimus, intended for 7-11 year olds and Minimus Secundo, the follow on book. These are the ones that I use with the kiddo and they are excellent. [Link: www.minimus-etc.co.uk...]
The Minimus books and tapes are available through Amazon in the US.
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:41:51am |
re: #522 Irene NYC
Don't think for a moment that the leftwing won't do what it takes to keep its favorite newspaper in business. By hook or by crook as they say. . . .
I for one, would like to know who else is fundng the Times.
/disclosure
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:43:40am |
Funny...when it comes to the brutal treatment of women in the Islamic world....the right and the left...stay silent...Justice comes from the middle.
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:44:16am |
Carl Bernstein was on Medved yesterday, admitted that almost all journalists vote Democrat, but said liberal media bias was a myth, even as he rejected a callers suggestion about the blame for slow Katrina response had at least as much to do slow local Democrat response (as an example the caller was using to demonstrate liberal media bias) and Bernstein went off on a rant that if Bush could blindly charge unilaterally into war he could have over-ridden the local pols in Louisiana.
Mark Steyn was on Bennett this morning, but I missed over half of it.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:44:26am |
re: #543 Irish Rose
if our government is not willing to do it, then its' time for American citizens to take action.
I do not disagree with your sentiment.
I just do not know what legally can be done, other than punish them financially.
My thanks and prayers go out for your son, by the way.
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FrogMarch Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:44:38am |
Wow. Pinchy's paper isn't good enough for the bottom of a bird cage.
The democrats want the US to lose -- and they will say and do anything to make it so. The current positive news out of Iraq is really pissing the Democrats and their media operatives off.
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Irene NYC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:46:00am |
Once again, disabuse yourselves of the notion that even a precipitous decline of NYT's stock price would change the paper.
If we feel that what the NYT's is doing is wrong - and even treasonous - than waiting on the market to "correct" this is a mistake, as it may not be something the market can correct in the short to medium term. And as Keynes noted, we'll all be dead in the longterm.
Treason is a legal and social issue, enforced or not enforced by our government. We'd probably have more success holding our elected officials accountable for NOT prosecuting the NYT than holding our breaths waiting for the NYT to change.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:47:34am |
Myanmar state media brands monks as porn-watching, booze-swilling, gambling, womanizing Nazis
By Bridget Johnson (bio)
I swear, there is no low too low for that regime. As if beating them, arresting them, exiling them to remote corners of the country or sending their bloated, saffron-clad bodies floating downstream wasn’t enough
[Link: politicalmavens.com...]
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:48:26am |
re: #559 Irene NYC
Once again, disabuse yourselves of the notion that even a precipitous decline of NYT's stock price would change the paper.
If we feel that what the NYT's is doing is wrong - and even treasonous - than waiting on the market to "correct" this is a mistake, as it may not be something the market can correct in the short to medium term. And as Keynes noted, we'll all be dead in the longterm.
Treason is a legal and social issue, enforced or not enforced by our government. We'd probably have more success holding our elected officials accountable for NOT prosecuting the NYT than holding our breaths waiting for the NYT to change.
I agree with you. And I think that if our government intended to do anything whatever about the treason being committed by the New York Times, then they would have done that some while back. You remember the flap over outing the financial tracking program that they begged the Times to keep secret.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:49:30am |
JEDDAH, 18 October 2007 — Omar Bin Laden, the 27-year-old son of Osama Bin Laden, is said to be back with his 51-year-old British wife, Jane Felix-Browne, who now uses the Muslim name Zaina Muhammad....
[Link: www.arabnews.com...]
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:52:45am |
I'm sure if the editors asked, Drunk Girl wouldn't mind turning doing lap dances at Scores to raise some extra money for the paper.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:52:48am |
Anybody notice the banner on the top of the Jpost homepage for a new film - Farewell Israel: Bush, Iran and the Revolt of Islam
Trailer - [Link: www.farewellisrael.com...]
Know anything about this movie?
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:52:53am |
Blue States, Brown Shirts
[Link: www.newmediajournal.us...]
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:53:24am |
So now Putin thinks he sets U.S. foreign policy.
U.S. should name date to withdraw from Iraq: Putin
MOSCOW (Reuters) - The United States should name a date to withdraw its forces from Iraq, Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Thursday.
"I agree with the U.S. president, I think he is right when he says you have to take the international contingent out only once the leadership of Iraq is able to keep the situation under control itself.
"Where we differ is that he believes a date for withdrawal should not be named,"
Hey Putin! How's about you worry about running your country, which company you are going to confiscate next, and which CEO you are going to throw in your KBG gulag under false charges, and stay out of our business, m'kay!
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Irene NYC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:53:32am |
re: #562 galloping granny
Even if the government couldn't legally prosecute the NYT, they could've used the bully pulpit hitting on the Times every single time they did something that endangered our troops, etc.
Our government didn't and seems unable to comprehend that informational warfare is just as important - if not more so - than what takes place in physical battlespace.
Pathetic.
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:53:36am |
Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto ends eight years of self-exile.
Now what?
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:53:43am |
re: #537 storagemanager
I'm not convinced of that. In the case of Iran, yes, I don't see any reason to assume that they do not pose a real and immediate threat. As for the others, China has been making noise for decades and has yet to do anything except focus its energy on suppressing dissent at home. Putin likes to play strong man, but he will almost certainly follow the old Soviet practice of encouraging conflicts on the periphery, avoiding direct confrontation. Cuba isn't even worth worrying about -- the only thing that keeps it going is the fact it's surrounded by water. As for Hugo in the WWII analogy, he's like Argentina: openly sympathizes with the enemy, but when push comes to shove won't do anything because he doesn't have the capability. North Korea? Hard to say, but what's changed? They're still selling the same bombs to the same people.
The 1938 analogy has its merits, but IMO, the big difference is that of all the players, only one -- Iran -- has clearly defined goals beyond simply remaining in power. For the rest, Putin and the Chinese leaders included, holding onto power is their primary, if not their only concern. Neither of those is going to risk a world war for that purpose alone. Iran might, and could possibly drag others along. But haven't we been down this path before? I have a hard time seeing that whole motley crew pulling together into an effective coalition.
More likely, I see the emergence of another long, drawn-out Cold War with constant "low intensity conflicts" in predictable places, and with Russia and China shaking hands with their fingers crossed behind their backs. And the test will be, again, whether the economic power of the west could outpace that of the dictatorship-bloc.
As for historical analogies, 1913/14 might be more apt -- I can see Iran and Syria playing the role of Germany and Austria Hungary, with the former planning a strategic war, and the second one jumping the gun by starting a war for its own purposes without clearing it with their "allies" (Syria effectively did it in '67, don't forget). Syria has always been a loose cannon. That said, they don't have much to offer as a military power, and their leadership is more afraid of their own people than anyone else. And this time, Russia won't leap in -- Putin is way smarter than Nicholas II, perhaps one of the stupidest men ever to hold sway over an autocratic regime.
At the moment, the real threat is the one at home, from the rising tide of Islamic militancy and arrogance, and from their leftist allies. It's the fifth column here and in Europe that worries me the most. As the old song goes, regarding a world war, "we did it before, and we can do it again." The only thing that could stop us is the domestic enemy.
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:54:48am |
JEDDAH, 18 October 2007 — Omar Bin Laden, the 27-year-old son of Osama Bin Laden, is said to be back with his 51-year-old British wife, Jane Felix-Browne, who now uses the Muslim name Zaina Muhammad....
Storage, I believe the Prophet of Allah himself (May Bees Piss Upon Him) married a much older woman for her wealth (before he married a six year old), so Omar is just observing Islamic tradition.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:55:08am |
Everyone in my office has as copy of The Times... If anything it's more of a local paper in NYC, competing with the Daily Snooze and The Post.
On a funny note, I told my girlfriend's sister to go see 'Obsession' next week at her college during IslamoFascism Awareness Week... She said she was going to go and protest the racism...
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:55:10am |
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FrogMarch Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:55:14am |
The NY Times makes you feel like big daddy just raped and murdered the family.
And The NY Times is big daddy.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:57:19am |
re: #559 Irene NYC
Treason is a legal and social issue, enforced or not enforced by our government. We'd probably have more success holding our elected officials accountable for NOT prosecuting the NYT than holding our breaths waiting for the NYT to change.
I think the ACLU would tie any such legal action up in court until my unborn grandchildren are ready to retire.
But I'm all for any effective and legal step that can be taken.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:58:14am |
Good morning y'all, from a warm (68 degrees, but only going up to 79 degrees) but foggy and overcast Charlotte!
How is everyone doing this morning?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:58:21am |
re: #568 Irene NYC
re: #562 galloping granny
Even if the government couldn't legally prosecute the NYT, they could've used the bully pulpit hitting on the Times every single time they did something that endangered our troops, etc.
Our government didn't and seems unable to comprehend that informational warfare is just as important - if not more so - than what takes place in physical battlespace.
Pathetic.
Irene, I don't think our government has much bully pulpit left. Certainly the media is not going to give Bush much of a chance to speak. Remember when all of the various networks used to give live air time to the POTUS? Not anymore. And they SURE are not going to give anyone in the military a pulpit.
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 5:59:42am |
re: #559 Irene NYC
Once again, disabuse yourselves of the notion that even a precipitous decline of NYT's stock price would change the paper.
If we feel that what the NYT's is doing is wrong - and even treasonous - than waiting on the market to "correct" this is a mistake, as it may not be something the market can correct in the short to medium term. And as Keynes noted, we'll all be dead in the longterm.
Treason is a legal and social issue, enforced or not enforced by our government. We'd probably have more success holding our elected officials accountable for NOT prosecuting the NYT than holding our breaths waiting for the NYT to change.
I agree, and where do I sign on the dotted line?
I have a son in harms' way, and his safety is being compromised by these bastards. And my daughter is following her brother into the USMC next summer.
I'm wondering if a class action lawsuit would be feasible, and I think it should start with the families of our military personnel who have a lot more at stake than most.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:01:10am |
re: #572 tfc3rid
Everyone in my office has as copy of The Times... If anything it's more of a local paper in NYC, competing with the Daily Snooze and The Post.
On a funny note, I told my girlfriend's sister to go see 'Obsession' next week at her college during IslamoFascism Awareness Week... She said she was going to go and protest the racism...
How liberal of her to protest something that she has not given so much as 5 minutes of attention to even see what it truly says!
Think long and very hard about that girlfriend's family before you hand over a ring tfc - you marry the whole danged lunatic bunch of them, not just the girlfriend.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:01:30am |
re: #570 lucius septimius
Both China and Russia have signed deals with Iran for billions of dollars...I would call that cement....Money and Power...they want both...not just one or the other...Power is why wars are fought...Power.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:03:18am |
re: #576 realwest
Hey Real. Doing ok this morning. Gotta run off and educate the offspring in a moment.
Yesterday a colleague let me and my oldest boy take part in his general chem lab -- we did some experiments, and my boy (who's 8) shamed the freshman by answering correctly a question the rest of the class got wrong. It was pretty funny.
How are you doing this fine day?
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FrogMarch Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:04:05am |
Here's what General Sanchez has to say about the agenda driven media:
THE BASIC ETHICS OF A JOURNALIST THAT CALLS FOR:
1. SEEKING TRUTH,
2. PROVIDING FAIR AND COMPREHENSIVE ACCOUNT OF EVENTS AND ISSUES
3. THOROUGHNESS AND HONESTY
ALL ARE VICTIMS OF THE MASSIVE AGENDA DRIVEN COMPETITION FOR ECONOMIC OR POLITICAL SUPREMACY. THE DEATH KNELL OF YOUR ETHICS HAS BEEN ENABLED BY YOUR PARENT ORGANIZATIONS WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO ALIGN THEMSELVES WITH POLITICAL AGENDAS. WHAT IS CLEAR TO ME IS THAT YOU ARE PERPETUATING THE CORROSIVE PARTISAN POLITICS THAT IS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY AND KILLING OUR SERVICEMEMBERS WHO ARE AT WAR.
MY ASSESSMENT IS THAT YOUR PROFESSION, TO SOME EXTENT, HAS STRAYED FROM THESE ETHICAL STANDARDS AND ALLOWED EXTERNAL AGENDAS TO MANIPULATE WHAT THE AMERICAN PUBLIC SEES ON TV, WHAT THEY READ IN OUR NEWSPAPERS AND WHAT THEY SEE ON THE WEB. FOR SOME OF YOU, JUST LIKE SOME OF OUR POLITICIANS, THE TRUTH IS OF LITTLE TO NO VALUE IF IT DOES NOT FIT YOUR OWN PRECONCEIVED NOTIONS, BIASES AND AGENDAS.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:04:22am |
A fifth suspect with ties to Oakland’s Your Black Muslim Bakery was arrested today in connection with the May 17 kidnapping and torture of two women.Richard Lewis, 23, was taken into custody on a probable-cause arrest warrant when he appeared for Wednesday morning in Alameda County Superior Court on an unrelated misdemeanor case involving possession of a bogus driver’s license or other government ID
[Link: www.religionnewsblog.com...]
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:04:24am |
I watched the NYT video "Op-Ed" and was amazed at two things: the first is, that after all this time, the NYT STILL doesn't understand the nature of the insurgency in Iraq; to even think about making a statment (early on, no less) that the insurgency is really Iraqi's fighting the US so they can be free of the US's
"occupation" is just so breathtakingly wrong it's hard to believe that even the NYT believes it.
The second is that the NYT hasn't really changed it's tune at all in nearly 6 years now: they genuinely believe that NOTHING the United States does overseas, anywhere, could possibly be motivated by anything other than "domestic" politics.
I'll say one thing for the NYT - they're NOT taking Al-Q's line, but they are, and have been for a loooong time, taking the Democrats and other defeatists point of view about Iraq.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:04:30am |
re: #580 storagemanager
re: #570 lucius septimius
Both China and Russia have signed deals with Iran for billions of dollars...I would call that cement....Money and Power...they want both...not just one or the other...Power is why wars are fought...Power.
And Venezuela has at the very least signed a big deal with Bolivia. V. may not be powerful enough to directly take on the US, but they are plenty powerful enough to cause us a huge headache on our southern border. They also provide one whole big chunk of our heating oil and gas.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:05:19am |
re: #579 galloping granny
Nah, her sister is the only one who is a LLL... Everyone else is a strong conservative...
My gf said that if she protests, she's a traitor to our country and should be tried for treason...
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:08:12am |
Dore Gold, author of the Fight For Jerusalem, summed up the situation this way:"It cannot work if the United States wants a peace agreement more than the parties themselves. Right now, the diplomatic issues facing the two sides are unbridgeable.
[Link: www.onejerusalem.org...]
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nonic Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:08:41am |
Martin Amis launches fresh attack on Muslim faith saying Islamic states are 'less evolved'
The author Martin Amis has claimed he feels 'morally superior' to Muslim states which are not as 'evolved' as the Western world.
Responding to long-running accusations that he is Islamophobic, Amis launched a fresh invective against the Muslim faith and many of its followers.
He admitted his late father and grandfather had been racist but then claimed radical Muslims were the real racists, misogynists and homophobes.
The 58-year-old defended a proposal he made last year that Muslims be deported and strip-searched in a crackdown on terrorism.
His latest comments came in a TV news interview last night and during the Cheltenham Literature Festival last week.
The Muslim Council of Britain branded them racist and 'shameful'.
In an interview with Jon Snow on Channel Four News, Amis declared: 'I feel morally superior to Islamists, by some distance. I feel an intellectual distance to Islam.
'There are great problems with Islam. The Koran recommends the beating of women.
'The anti-Semites, the psychotic misogynists and the homophobes are the Islamists.'
Days earlier, Amis shocked festivalgoers in Cheltenham with claims that Muslim states are less 'civilised' than Western society.
'Some societies are just more evolved than others,' he said. 'I am not saying these people are genetically incapable of not being terrorists.
'These societies are arming themselves with weapons like the AK47 and blowing people up on buses and Tubes.'
When one member of his audience suggested not all Muslims were terrorists he retorted: 'No one else is doing it.
'Here in the West we have the most evolved society in the world and we are not blowing people up.
'I am just saying some societies are more evolved than others. Young men in those kinds of societies are growing up full of loathing and hatred. Something has to be done about it.'
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:09:27am |
re: #587 storagemanager
I completely agree...
We seem to be the only ones who are saying' so, hey, forget about this bombing, let's talk about giving a state to the Palestinian Authority...'
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:10:19am |
re: #586 tfc3rid
re: #579 galloping granny
Nah, her sister is the only one who is a LLL... Everyone else is a strong conservative...
My gf said that if she protests, she's a traitor to our country and should be tried for treason...
Good for her!
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:11:59am |
The religion of beaten women......
.A BAHRAINI woman suffered multiple fractures yesterday after she was allegedly beaten by two relatives.She was admitted to Salmaniya Medical Complex at around 2pm and initially claimed she had fallen at her Khamis home doing household chores.
However, doctors did not believe her and when pressed she said two male relatives had assaulted her and crushed her arm in a door.
Hospital staff said her arm had been broken in three places, with two fractures above her right elbow and one below.
"She has now been referred to orthopaedic specialists who are evaluating her condition," they added.
Medical sources said the woman would have to undergo complicated surgery that included inserting steel rods in her arm.
"She should make a complete recovery after extensive rehabilitation and physiotherapy," they added.
Meanwhile, Khamis Police Station has been notified about the incident and officers visited the woman in the hospital.
Sources revealed an assault case had been registered, but said it was not clear which of her relatives actually assaulted her. It is understood the incident happened in her mother's house.
[Link: www.gulf-daily-news.com...]
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:12:16am |
re: #581 lucius septimius Hey good morning lucius! I'm not surprised that YOUR boy shamed all those other "students" twice his age (or more) - hell you've educated him so well they oughta hand him his BA on his entrance to Grad School!
I'm doing ok, though Mom has even MORE chores for us to do today. Wonder what she doesn't understand about the word "retired"?!
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:12:30am |
re: #591 galloping granny
As well, they have 'Abortion is Murder' bumper stickers on their cars and a sign in their front yard...
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:13:31am |
Now, on to other earth shattering news...
China is all pissed off because we gave our highest civilian award to Dolly Lama, who coincidentally was at her theme park (DollyWood) gathering recalled toys to her bosoms that were made by the Lee Der Industrial Company.
As you prolly don't remember, Cheung Shu-hung, who co-owned Lee Der Industrial Co., committed suicide a while back after it was discovered that his workers were using real lead in the paint they applied to Fisher-Price toys, instead of that cheap imitation crap they would normally use.
The factory moved to building toys after workers mutely complained their tongues were glowing in the dark from licking the brushes they were using to apply radium to cheap watch faces. The factory has moved to twenty-four hour production now that the old work force is providing an efficient light source for the assembly line.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:13:38am |
re: #589 Diamond Bullet
The Grey Lady has become Tokyo Rose.
Let me tell you a little secret: The Grey Lady has been Tokyo Rose for more than 70 years. They did much the same pre- and during WWII and are pretty directly responsible for the Holocaust, at least in so much as they deliberately silenced any reports that might have informed the public or changed opinions. Thus, "as goes the Times, so go the rest" as the saying used to be.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:13:51am |
re: #580 storagemanager
I think you're missing my point. If Iran starts a war, would Russia and China, either singly or in league, jump in? I can see them funneling money and supplies into Iran; I can't seem them firing up the tanks and marching in.
Their strategy in the past has been to drain the west through proxy wars. I don't see them abandoning that strategy, especially when they view the US as internally vulnerable. In that regard, the best analogy would be the 1970s, when, in the wake of our withdrawal from Viet Nam, Soviet sponsored regimes gathered strength around the globe. Reading the NYT and watching American news, they would have to draw the conclusion that there is now a similar opportunity; that America's will to fight is practically nil and that our economy can collapse with one quick push.
Again, my main point is that what is enabling this constellation of forces is the undermining of US/NATO foreign policy by leftists and fellow-travelers at home. It has been well documented that the "anti-war" movement was and continues to be directed by totalitarian states and Islamists. The success of our enemies abroad is entirely dependent on their success defeating America from within.
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stashiu Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:14:48am |
O civile, si ergo
fortibus es in ero.
O novile, deus trux,
votis enim, causor dux!
A laugh for the latinites!
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:15:19am |
re: #593 realwest
re: #581 lucius septimius Hey good morning lucius! I'm not surprised that YOUR boy shamed all those other "students" twice his age (or more) - hell you've educated him so well they oughta hand him his BA on his entrance to Grad School!
I'm doing ok, though Mom has even MORE chores for us to do today. Wonder what she doesn't understand about the word "retired"?!
ROFLMAO. Men "retire" realwest. Women's work is never done!
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:15:46am |
re: #580 storagemanager
re: #570 lucius septimius
Both China and Russia have signed deals with Iran for billions of dollars...I would call that cement....Money and Power...they want both...not just one or the other...Power is why wars are fought...Power.
So has the U.S.
War may be about power to the leaders of China and Russia, but poverty and starvation are quite another thing.
When the arrogant posturing of their leaders drives billions and billions of US dollars away, and compromises the economic survival of the citizenry even more than it is already compromised, the people are going to rise up against their leaders... and it's going to be ugly.
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:16:32am |
Controversial imam ordered held until deportation
MONTREAL -- His pregnant wife broke down and supporters cried "injustice" as Montreal imam Said Jaziri was ordered detained Wednesday until his scheduled deportation to Tunisia on Monday.
"Who will teach my son?" cried Rida Mohamed Rhamaoui, one among dozens who denounced the ruling to reporters -- including one from Al Jazeera television -- as "a message to the Muslim community."
They were furious an Immigration and Refugee Board commissioner turned down Mr. Jaziri's bid to spend his last few days in Canada at home in Laval, Que., with his wife, Nancy Ann Adams. She's expecting their first child Dec. 20.
Immigration officials arrested Mr. Jaziri on Monday because his request for permanent residency was turned down. He's exhausted all efforts to stay in Canada and is considered a flight risk.
Mr. Jaziri, 36, insisted during a three-hour detention review before Immigration and Refugee Board commissioner Dianne Tordorf he had no intention of disobeying the law.
Evidence in past media reports showed he had vowed to "barricade" himself inside his mosque and stage a hunger strike to protest losing his refugee status. He also failed to get resident status because he is married to a Canadian.
Mr. Jaziri lost his refugee status because he concealed a criminal record in France.
He insisted his life is in danger if he returns to Tunisia where he says he's been jailed and tortured. The board, however, has evidence he was not harmed when he returned to Tunisia from France.
This was among several instances of what Ms. Tordorf termed "serious credibility problems."
She also noted none of the guarantors who promised bonds to ensure his departure could say what they'd do if he refused.
Thaose wacky imams! I am curious just what his criminal record in France involves, and why the authorities in Tunisia don't like him.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:16:46am |
re: #597 lucius septimius
If they think they can win...yes....and by the way I posted a link last night..Israel thinks so too.
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:17:23am |
More tornadoes expected today in Lower Ohio Valley/Mid-Mississippi Valley
...LWR TN VLY/LWR OH VLY NWD INTO MI LATE THIS AFTN/TONIGHT...
A VERY STRONG WIND FIELD WILL EXIST TODAY THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY FROM THE LWR MS VLY NNE TO GRT LKS REGION...IN BROADENING WARM SECTOR OF DEEP IA LOW. 500 MB WIND SPEEDS IN EXCESS OF 75 KTS WILL PREVAIL THIS AFTERNOON FROM AR TO MI. AND...SPEEDS SHOULD INCREASE TO NEARLY 100 KTS BY THIS EVENING AND CONTINUE THROUGH TONIGHT OVER PARTS OF IL/IND AND MI AS CO/NM JET STREAK DEVELOPS NEWD. COUPLED WITH EXISTING BROAD BELT OF 40 KT SWLY LOW LVL FLOW THAT WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE PERIOD...KINEMATIC SETUP WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR STRONG ROTATING STORMS IN UNSEASONABLY WARM AND HUMID AIR STREAMING N AHEAD OF COLD FRONT.
HOWEVER...WEAK SHORTWAVE RIDGING IN WAKE OF LEAD UPR DISTURBANCE LIKELY WILL PREVAIL THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY OVER NRN PARTS OF THE WARM SECTOR. THIS WILL LIMIT DEGREE OF LARGE SCALE FORCING FOR ASCENT DURING MAX HEATING TIME...AND MAY LIMIT COVERAGE OF DIURNALLY-DRIVEN STORM DEVELOPMENT...ESPECIALLY OVER MI/IL AND IND.
LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH TONIGHT...EXPECT THAT FORCING FOR ASCENT WILL MARKEDLY INCREASE FROM THE LWR MS/LWR TN VLY NE INTO THE LWR OH VLY AS JET ENTRANCE REGION EVOLVES IN ASSOCIATION WITH EWD REDEVELOPMENT OF CO/NM SPEED MAX. GIVEN PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED KINEMATIC AND MOISTURE SETUP...THIS SHOULD SUPPORT INITIATION OF SVR STORMS INVOF COLD FRONT VERY LATE THIS AFTN OR EARLY TONIGHT OVER SE MO/SRN IL/SW IND/WRN KY AND WRN TN. THE STORMS SHOULD BUILD BOTH N AND S ALONG FRONT LATER TONIGHT ...WITH SOME OF THE ACTIVITY REMAINING STRONG TO SVR THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY.
BREADTH OF WARM SECTOR...60-70 KT DEEP SWLY SHEAR AND QUALITY OF MOISTURE INFLOW SUGGEST GOOD LIKELIHOOD FOR DISCRETE SUPERCELLS FOR PERHAPS A 2-3 HOUR PERIOD EARLY TONIGHT...BEFORE STORMS MERGE INTO BROKEN LINES. STRONG LOW LVL SPEED SHEAR AND LOW LCLS SUGGEST POTENTIAL FOR A FEW STRONG TORNADOES ...IN ADDITION TO HIGH WIND AND HAIL...DESPITE LESS THAN OPTIMAL TIME OF DAY. THE STORMS MAY CONTINUE TO POSE A THREAT FOR HIGH WIND AND ISOLATED TORNADOES THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY...ESPECIALLY IN THE LWR TN VLY.
...ERN IA/SE MN/WI/NRN IL THIS AFTN/EVE...
MID LVL DRY SLOT WITH IA LOW WILL ROTATE NNE ACROSS ERN IA/NRN IL AND SRN WI LATER TODAY. COUPLED WITH COOL MID LVL TEMPERATURES /MINUS 16C AT 500 MB/ ON CYCLONIC SIDE OF UPR JET...SFC DEWPOINTS IN THE UPR 50S TO LOW 60S...AND CONVERGENCE INVOF OF DEEP SFC LOW...SETUP MAY SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF AFTN STORMS DESPITE WEAK UPR LVL FORCING FOR ASCENT.
MODEST INSTABILITY /SBCAPE AOB 1000 J PER KG/ SHOULD LIMIT STORM INTENSITY. BUT 35-45 KT DEEP SWLY SHEAR WILL SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL RISK FOR SUPERCELLS WITH HAIL/HIGH WIND AND PERHAPS A TORNADO IF SUSTAINED UPDRAFTS DO INDEED DEVELOP.
...GULF CST STATES THROUGH THE PERIOD...
A BROAD AREA OF LOW LVL WAA WILL PERSIST OVER MUCH OF MS/AL AND WRN GA AND UPR TN VLY THROUGH THE PERIOD AS DEEP WSW FLOW PREVAILS ON SERN SIDE OF EVOLVING CNTRL U.S. TROUGH. VERY RICH BOUNDARY LYR MOISTURE AND LOW LVL VEERING PROFILES MAY SUPPORT STORMS THAT OCCASIONALLY DEVELOP LOW LVL ROTATION. THIS WILL BE ESPECIALLY TRUE THIS AFTN AS HEATING BOOSTS SFC-BASED INSTABILITY...AND INVOF WEAK INVERTED TROUGH NOW ALONG THE AL/MS BORDER...WHERE LOW LVL DIRECTIONAL SHEAR WILL BE MAXIMIZED. WHILE DEEP SHEAR WILL BE WEAK RELATIVE TO POINTS FARTHER NW...IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT SUSTAINED UPDRAFTS/POSSIBLE SUPERCELLS WITH A CONDITIONAL THREAT FOR TORNADOES.
The good news, while not a drought buster, the NAM machine output statistics (MOS) is 0.77 inches, or 20 mm, while the GFS MOS is 2.22 inches, or 56 mm of rain with this event.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:17:47am |
re: #602 storagemanager
Could you provide the link? I'll look at it later when I have some time.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:18:47am |
re: #600 Irish Rose
Japan and Germany lost money by attacking...they did it anyway.
there is no logic in war....people forget that alot.
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Benzacharia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:19:21am |
Good mornin' ya'all
Posting from the 5th floor atrium at the Arthur G. James Cancer Hospital at the Ohio State University Hospitals.
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
It's raining and 70°.
How's everybody?
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Timbre Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:19:40am |
Molly Bingham and Steve Connors left out one important statistic: 100% of Islamic terrorists believe their religion is superior to all others and that "Allah-ordained" superiority mandates they fight the infidels wherever they are found until Islam rules over all the Earth. They also forgot to mention that most Muslims believe this, and that they believed it before the Iraq War began in 2003, before the attacks of 9-11-2001, before the Gulf War in 1990, before the Iranian Revolution of 1979, and before Israel became an independent nation in 1948. They "Iraqi Resistance" are the same Islamic terrorists who have been around for the past 1, 385 years.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:20:09am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Good morning to you. Prayers going up.
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:20:19am |
Did the hamsters jump the track, or is it just me?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:20:37am |
re: #600 Irish Rose
re: #580 storagemanager
re: #570 lucius septimius
Both China and Russia have signed deals with Iran for billions of dollars...I would call that cement....Money and Power...they want both...not just one or the other...Power is why wars are fought...Power.
So has the U.S.
War may be about power to the leaders of China and Russia, but poverty and starvation are quite another thing.
When the arrogant posturing of their leaders drives billions and billions of US dollars away, and compromises the economic survival of the citizenry even more than it is already compromised, the people are going to rise up against their leaders... and it's going to be ugly.
Maybe, but I suspect that what you are seeing is a concerted attempt to bring US down, now that our manufacturing happens mostly in China (who owns a huge chunk of our money) and our oil is controlled mostly by enemy states and our NATO "allies" are powerless, broke or mostly not. Remember the point of that old game King of the Hill?
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stashiu Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:21:04am |
When the NYT broke the sigint story, I met one of our analysts walking down the hall shaking his head. I asked what was up. He said "All of our intell from that source just stopped.....stopped!"
Thank you NYT. How many American lives did that cost, fellow travelers?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:21:14am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Good mornin' ya'all
Posting from the 5th floor atrium at the Arthur G. James Cancer Hospital at the Ohio State University Hospitals.
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
It's raining and 70°.
How's everybody?
Praying for you and her. Sunny, 45F
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Cap'n DOC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:21:37am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Well, you and your spouse made the Divine Post-it again! I hope you're able to give us a thumbs up later today...
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:23:47am |
Prayers for both you and your wife today, Ben.
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BeerForMyHorses Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:24:15am |
Stop the Law of the Sea Treaty (LOST)! Read this:
Frank Gaffney on LOST Treaty
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Widow'smight Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:25:05am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Don't know what to say other than hoping for the best outcome for you and your Loverly Bride. Don't know if you listen to Country Music, but Craig Morgan has a song called "Tough" that might apply to your life right now.
Hang in there buddy.
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Irene NYC Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:25:09am |
re: #575 3 wood
I think the ACLU would tie any such legal action up in court until my unborn grandchildren are ready to retire.But I'm all for any effective and legal step that can be taken.
150% in agreement. I don't know that in this day and age you could prosecute for treason without a horrific downside. But, that does not preclude the government from standing up in every available forum and holding our treasonous media morally, professionally and ethically accountable. For example, at the White House Press corps Q&A's, why doesn't the White House publicly express its displeasure and hold journalists accountable for their work? I'd love to see a journalist grilled. Why'd you write that? It only helped the enemy, don't you care about our troops safety? Was this article pushed because it was news or because of its political aspect? Or, why was the article on the awarding of a Congressional Medal of Honor relegated to page D129? Really, the White House shows no gumption.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:25:56am |
re: #605 storagemanager
re: #600 Irish Rose
Japan and Germany lost money by attacking...they did it anyway.
there is no logic in war....people forget that alot.
Japan and Germany went into WWII for the sole purpose of increasing their regional power and their economic base. They "lost" the battles, 'tis true - but 40 years on it was more than apparent that both nations had in fact WON the war in the sense of having achieved what they went into the war to achieve.
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Benzacharia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:26:16am |
re: #614 Irish Rose
Thanx, and right back at you and you kiddilins.
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:26:36am |
re: #603 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
More tornadoes expected today in Lower Ohio Valley/Mid-Mississippi Valley
...LWR TN VLY/LWR OH VLY NWD INTO MI LATE THIS AFTN/TONIGHT...
A VERY STRONG WIND FIELD WILL EXIST TODAY THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY FROM THE LWR MS VLY NNE TO GRT LKS REGION...IN BROADENING WARM SECTOR OF DEEP IA LOW. 500 MB WIND SPEEDS IN EXCESS OF 75 KTS WILL PREVAIL THIS AFTERNOON FROM AR TO MI. AND...SPEEDS SHOULD INCREASE TO NEARLY 100 KTS BY THIS EVENING AND CONTINUE THROUGH TONIGHT OVER PARTS OF IL/IND AND MI AS CO/NM JET STREAK DEVELOPS NEWD. COUPLED WITH EXISTING BROAD BELT OF 40 KT SWLY LOW LVL FLOW THAT WILL PERSIST THROUGH THE PERIOD...KINEMATIC SETUP WILL BE FAVORABLE FOR STRONG ROTATING STORMS IN UNSEASONABLY WARM AND HUMID AIR STREAMING N AHEAD OF COLD FRONT.HOWEVER...WEAK SHORTWAVE RIDGING IN WAKE OF LEAD UPR DISTURBANCE LIKELY WILL PREVAIL THROUGH MUCH OF THE DAY OVER NRN PARTS OF THE WARM SECTOR. THIS WILL LIMIT DEGREE OF LARGE SCALE FORCING FOR ASCENT DURING MAX HEATING TIME...AND MAY LIMIT COVERAGE OF DIURNALLY-DRIVEN STORM DEVELOPMENT...ESPECIALLY OVER MI/IL AND IND.
LATE THIS AFTERNOON AND CONTINUING THROUGH TONIGHT...EXPECT THAT FORCING FOR ASCENT WILL MARKEDLY INCREASE FROM THE LWR MS/LWR TN VLY NE INTO THE LWR OH VLY AS JET ENTRANCE REGION EVOLVES IN ASSOCIATION WITH EWD REDEVELOPMENT OF CO/NM SPEED MAX. GIVEN PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED KINEMATIC AND MOISTURE SETUP...THIS SHOULD SUPPORT INITIATION OF SVR STORMS INVOF COLD FRONT VERY LATE THIS AFTN OR EARLY TONIGHT OVER SE MO/SRN IL/SW IND/WRN KY AND WRN TN. THE STORMS SHOULD BUILD BOTH N AND S ALONG FRONT LATER TONIGHT ...WITH SOME OF THE ACTIVITY REMAINING STRONG TO SVR THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY.
BREADTH OF WARM SECTOR...60-70 KT DEEP SWLY SHEAR AND QUALITY OF MOISTURE INFLOW SUGGEST GOOD LIKELIHOOD FOR DISCRETE SUPERCELLS FOR PERHAPS A 2-3 HOUR PERIOD EARLY TONIGHT...BEFORE STORMS MERGE INTO BROKEN LINES. STRONG LOW LVL SPEED SHEAR AND LOW LCLS SUGGEST POTENTIAL FOR A FEW STRONG TORNADOES ...IN ADDITION TO HIGH WIND AND HAIL...DESPITE LESS THAN OPTIMAL TIME OF DAY. THE STORMS MAY CONTINUE TO POSE A THREAT FOR HIGH WIND AND ISOLATED TORNADOES THROUGH EARLY FRIDAY...ESPECIALLY IN THE LWR TN VLY.
...ERN IA/SE MN/WI/NRN IL THIS AFTN/EVE...
MID LVL DRY SLOT WITH IA LOW WILL ROTATE NNE ACROSS ERN IA/NRN IL AND SRN WI LATER TODAY. COUPLED WITH COOL MID LVL TEMPERATURES /MINUS 16C AT 500 MB/ ON CYCLONIC SIDE OF UPR JET...SFC DEWPOINTS IN THE UPR 50S TO LOW 60S...AND CONVERGENCE INVOF OF DEEP SFC LOW...SETUP MAY SUPPORT DEVELOPMENT OF AFTN STORMS DESPITE WEAK UPR LVL FORCING FOR ASCENT.MODEST INSTABILITY /SBCAPE AOB 1000 J PER KG/ SHOULD LIMIT STORM INTENSITY. BUT 35-45 KT DEEP SWLY SHEAR WILL SUPPORT A CONDITIONAL RISK FOR SUPERCELLS WITH HAIL/HIGH WIND AND PERHAPS A TORNADO IF SUSTAINED UPDRAFTS DO INDEED DEVELOP.
...GULF CST STATES THROUGH THE PERIOD...
A BROAD AREA OF LOW LVL WAA WILL PERSIST OVER MUCH OF MS/AL AND WRN GA AND UPR TN VLY THROUGH THE PERIOD AS DEEP WSW FLOW PREVAILS ON SERN SIDE OF EVOLVING CNTRL U.S. TROUGH. VERY RICH BOUNDARY LYR MOISTURE AND LOW LVL VEERING PROFILES MAY SUPPORT STORMS THAT OCCASIONALLY DEVELOP LOW LVL ROTATION. THIS WILL BE ESPECIALLY TRUE THIS AFTN AS HEATING BOOSTS SFC-BASED INSTABILITY...AND INVOF WEAK INVERTED TROUGH NOW ALONG THE AL/MS BORDER...WHERE LOW LVL DIRECTIONAL SHEAR WILL BE MAXIMIZED. WHILE DEEP SHEAR WILL BE WEAK RELATIVE TO POINTS FARTHER NW...IT WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO SUPPORT SUSTAINED UPDRAFTS/POSSIBLE SUPERCELLS WITH A CONDITIONAL THREAT FOR TORNADOES.
The good news, while not a drought buster, the NAM machine output statistics (MOS) is 0.77 inches, or 20 mm, while the GFS MOS is 2.22 inches, or 56 mm of rain with this event.
The rain numbers above are for drought stricken Atlanta, of course. Atlanta is the second largest city in the South.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:26:46am |
re: #597 lucius septimius Well right now at least Russia and China couldn't militarily help Iran. China has no way to get any sizable number of troops to Iran and Russia is, in reality, a third world military power, absent it's nukes and even the Russians are concerned about the state of their nukes due to awfully loooong periods of "deferred maintenance" and their conventional forces aren't so overwhelmingly large (now that it's just Russia, NOT the USSR) and their conventional weaponry, while pretty good, lacks skilled pilots (and indeed they suffer from a lack of numbers of pilots in general) their tanks have consistently had the crap kicked out of 'em in Iraq and they have NOTHING to match the Abrams M1A1, their infantry is all untested, while our troops are thoroughly hardened, combat proven troops who understand the modern warfare concepts of maneuver and speed - hell, Russia doesn't even have one truly all Air Mobile Brigade, much less division and they still use helicopters mostly as airborne trucks - to deliver goods. The Hind attack helicopters were defeated by...........wait for it...........the Afghanistanis! The USSR took ten long years to lose in Afganistan, we took maybe 8 weeks to conquer it.
No, the US need not fear Russia or China until either or both obtain truly modern Air Forces with highly trained pilots and maintenance crews and Navies capable of challenging the US Navy and good luck to 'em with that.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:27:52am |
re: #604 lucius septimius
Israel Warns World War III May be Biblical War of Gog and Magog [Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:28:32am |
re: #615 BeerForMyHorses
The LOST Treaty will destroy our national sovreignty...
It looks like it will pass.... We need to stop it....
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:28:54am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Prayers and thoughts are with you and the wife...Good morning.
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Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:29:07am |
Another chemical plant incident in Port Arthur, TX, a city far too close to Louisiana for its own good...
BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
CIVIL EMERGENCY MESSAGE
PORT ARTHUR POLICE DEPARTMENT
RELAYED BY NATIONAL WEATHER
SERVICE LAKE CHARLES LA 725 AM CDT THU OCT 18 2007
THE FOLLOWING MESSAGE IS BEING TRANSMITTED AT THE REQUEST OF MAJOR JOHN OWENS OF THE PORT ARTHUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.
SHELTER IN PLACE REQUESTED FOR THE RESIDENCES OF PORT ARTHUR FROM HIGHWAY 69 (MEMORIAL BOULEVARD) TO HIGHWAY 347 (TWIN CITY HIGHWAY) BETWEEN HIGHWAY 365 TO 60TH STREET. UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE.
A SHELTER-IN-PLACE MEANS PROTECTING YOURSELF WHERE YOU ARE AND STAYING THERE UNTIL GIVEN FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS OR THE ALL-CLEAR.
SHELTER-IN-PLACE WARNING ACTIONS:
1. GO INSIDE
2. CLOSE ALL DOORS AND WINDOWS
3. TURN OFF ALL VENTILATION SYSTEMS
4. TUNE TO LOCAL NEWS MEDIA FOR FURTHER INFORMATION
$$
PATRICK/SWEENEY
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:30:20am |
re: #599 galloping granny Yeah, uh huh. Mom has two kids, both of us over 50 years of age.
Dad died some 6 years ago. She doesn't really want for anything. I, OTOH, worked 70+ hours a week at law firms and on my own for something close to 30 years, and had my last paid vacation in 1995. As long as I've got cancer and can't work because the med's make me extraordinarily tired, I don't see why I'm not ENTITLED to just goof off for a week or so, ya know?!
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jaybo Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:30:45am |
re: #70 avideditorla.com
The most thorough analysis of US action in Kosovo is on tenc dot net. And before laughing and saying 'there's a 9/11 section there!' examine the evidence.
We are allies with the Saudis, fascist wahabi spreading vermin that are ideologically descended from Al Banna/Qutb/Husseini like all the rest of the terrorist countries. We also have been deploying the Brzezinski strategy of arming, training, and funding Islamic 'freedom fighters' since 1979, and then 'sicking' them on Russia, Yugoslavia, and any other multiethic country that resists US dominance.
I agree with Jared Israel: it is not by accident that we keep 'accidentally' Islamifying other countries. And we do all this while letting the MSM and Saudi backed professors lynch Israel and blame these escapades on Israel, who by the way SUPPORTED THE SERBS, even while those 'evil neocon Jews' were signing off on the plans to bomb the Serbs. The 'neocon Jews' are basically a comic strip character, not unlike the 'most evil monster since Hitler' Milosevic. There is no evidence at all that Milosevic was a monster. There is however copious evidence that his US supported Handzar/Ustashe loving enemies Izetbegovic and Tudjman were indeed monsters. It behooves all LGF readers to learn the truth about Kosovo.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:30:45am |
re: #597 lucius septimius
Lucius, some things have changed, but Norvell de Atkine wrote his classic essay "Why Arab Armies LOSE" based on observable realities that are STILL PRESENT in those arab armies today.
Its worth one's while to review this at least once a year, for perspective if nothing else.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:31:07am |
re: #622 realwest
China and Russia fight their proxy war with the US throught Iran, which fights a proxy war against Israel through Syria and Hezballah...
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Benzacharia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:31:11am |
re: #616 Widow'smight
All country all the time. Right now I'm partial to "If Your Readin' This" & "Don't Blink"
---------
Sh*t's hittn' the fan, and the WH & Congress & the Courts & the 4th estate (more like 5th COULMN) are pretty much asleep as the switch.
Mexican soldiers and civilian smugglers engaged in an armed standoff with nearly 30 American law enforcement officials on the southern U.S. border, according to Texas police and the FBI.At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns when U.S. Border Patrol agents called for backup Monday, the Inland Valley Daily Bulletin of Ontario, Calif., reported.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:32:26am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
Dear Lord, please give the surgeons extra skill to successfully complete the operation, and build up Ben and his wife at this time.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:32:41am |
re: #627 realwest
re: #599 galloping granny Yeah, uh huh. Mom has two kids, both of us over 50 years of age.
Dad died some 6 years ago. She doesn't really want for anything. I, OTOH, worked 70+ hours a week at law firms and on my own for something close to 30 years, and had my last paid vacation in 1995. As long as I've got cancer and can't work because the med's make me extraordinarily tired, I don't see why I'm not ENTITLED to just goof off for a week or so, ya know?!
I do know realwest. It has nothing to do with your age or abilities - or hers. It is a mindset that is so much a dividing line between the sexes you could almost call it genetic. She probably thinks she is "being retired."
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:32:54am |
Good Morning Lizards! It's dank and gray in the Very Far Western Suburbs today. Kids school cancelled field trips today for fear of tornado's. Didn't want kids on school busses if tornado's were likely.
Ah well.
How are you all today?
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:33:08am |
re: #606 Benzacharia Hey Ben - doing ok here; wishing your wife and you the very best of luck and praying for both of you as well.
Wish there was something more I could do (or we on LGF could do) to help y'all out - if you think of anything at all, please let me know.
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Pullus Iulius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:33:08am |
re: #598 stashiu
Man, that one took me back. Another thing that second year Latin will teach is Latin poetry and epigrams - real Latin poetry. I still remember my teacher pounding the meter out on his desk, reciting Daedalus interea creten longumque perosus, exilium tactusque, loci natalis amore. Then he'd close the door and tell us about how Ovid wrote Ars Amatoria and got himself exiled for writing pornography. It definitely made a bunch of ninth graders without dates want to take third year Latin.
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:33:10am |
"I'm a very moderate imam," Jaziri, 38, clad all in white, said in French under the gaze of more than 100 Muslim men who had come for Friday afternoon prayers at the mosque on Belanger St. near Iberville St.
Jaziri was jailed in France for assault in 1995, as well as having been caught with a false French passport in 1996. He claims these are all lies and that Canadian authorities conspired with Interpol to frame him.
Here's an audio recording of an interview of Jaziri on Montreal radio with Gilles Proulx . Alas, it's in French, but the gist is Jaziri is proclaiming his innocence and Proulx is having none of it.
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dogbreath Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:33:12am |
To simply state their message (that the cause of violence in Iraq is the American presence there)exposes it as the absurdity that it is. Thus, the technique-laden presentation. It may be absurd, but the images and music and solem black titles let me feel the underlying truth.
When American forces draw down in Iraq expect to hear the defeatocrats take credit for our success. “See, we told you that only our withdrawal can restore civility,” they will say, distorting cause and effect yet again.
Bush will be known as the leader who stood nearly alone and saw this thing through. His shortcomings are infuriating, but he stood alone and the success will be his and our soldiers. I can’t wait to see how the NYT attempts to diminish it.
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BeerForMyHorses Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:33:24am |
re: #624 tfc3rid
re: #615 BeerForMyHorses
The LOST Treaty will destroy our national sovreignty...
It looks like it will pass.... We need to stop it....
Hell, yes! Here's Frank Gaffney's editorial:
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phoenixgirl Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:34:37am |
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M. Bensson-Levi Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:35:00am |
Mornin' All.
Here's a SURPRISING and WELCOME bit of fresh air!
Fear of Radicalism Prompts Federal Panel to Recommend Closing Saudi School in Virginia
Bush must be losing his influence.
A very good first step.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:35:02am |
re: #617 Irene NYC
For example, at the White House Press corps Q&A's, why doesn't the White House publicly express its displeasure and hold journalists accountable for their work? I'd love to see a journalist grilled. Why'd you write that? It only helped the enemy, don't you care about our troops safety? Was this article pushed because it was news or because of its political aspect? Or, why was the article on the awarding of a Congressional Medal of Honor relegated to page D129? Really, the White House shows no gumption.
Okay, now I got it. Took me a while.
Good ideas. Wish they would.
You know the Democrats would be pounding them if it were the other way around.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:35:07am |
The religion of keep your mouth shut or else...........
Iran court sentences students for insulting Islam
[Link: jurist.law.pitt.edu...]
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:35:40am |
re: #622 realwest
Realwest, see my #630... it pertains, especially in light of combined services maneuvers...
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BeerForMyHorses Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:36:20am |
Charles,
If we haven't had a thread on the LOST treaty (I couldn't find one), I think we should! If we have, forgive me.
Good day, lizards. Got to go to work.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:38:50am |
RALEIGH -- A former Enloe High School teacher who made national headlines after being reprimanded for having an anti-Islamic activist speak to his students is lobbying today to get his job back.
Robert Escamilla is meeting today with Wake Superintendent Del Burns and a panel of school board members behind closed doors to appeal the decision that ended in his being transferred from Enloe, losing some pay while he was suspended, and having a 12-page reprimand letter added to his personnel file.
[Link: www.newsobserver.com...]
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nonic Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:39:01am |
re: #627 realwest
Good morning.
Yesterday or the day before, whenever it was, someone had posted a comment inquiring about our ability to outlaw islam. Lawhawk said it wasn't gonna happen. I pointed out that IMO under current circumstances, he/she's absolutely correct. BUT.........
People may not realize that something as draconian as outlawing islam is NOT impossible under out system. All it would take would be sufficient will -- however that will was gathered, perhaps as the result of a huge "homegrown" terror attack or sabotage (as opposed to attack from outside the country), or decades of continual attrition of American patience by "petty" terrorism.
This is something I think that the jihadis do not realize. They expect (to the extent that they are at all rational) that the West will put up with them until we're finally destroyed by them.
IMO, they are wrong.
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LC LaWedgie Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:39:46am |
15 Cellphone Shops Blown-up in NW Pakistan
KHAR: As many as 15 mobile phone shops were completely destroyed and two dozen others partially damaged when a powerful bomb planted at a busy trade centre went off here on Wednesday.
According to details, a two-storey mobile phones’ building at a busy Ittehad Market in Inayat Kalli was blown up when a powerful bomb placed there went off destroying some 15-phone shops completely and damaging two-dozen others partially.
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Owners of the destroyed shops while talking to TheNation said that unidentified men had warned them to impose a complete ban on loading music and ring tones at mobile phones.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:39:59am |
re: #618 galloping granny
re: #605 storagemanager
re: #600 Irish Rose
Japan and Germany lost money by attacking...they did it anyway.
there is no logic in war....people forget that alot.Japan and Germany went into WWII for the sole purpose of increasing their regional power and their economic base. They "lost" the battles, 'tis true - but 40 years on it was more than apparent that both nations had in fact WON the war in the sense of having achieved what they went into the war to achieve.
That is a key point: the EU and the economic colonization of east central Europe was the effective aim of Germany in the first World War. Finished, but note that they achieved their goal through cooperation with their regional enemies, not through warfare. Japan has, in effect, it's "Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere" but without the huge navy and with the blessings of their former enemy, the US. In both cases, we share a common set of enemies: Russia and China.
As to what the Russians and Chinese would do, I can't speak for the latter, but I know the former closely studied the demise of the British Empire after 1950. From it they drew the conclusion that direct rule over regions was a losing proposition -- classical "colonialism" is a failed strategy because in the modern climate, the costs far outweigh the benefits. Better to have something like a commonwealth, bound together by common ideological and economic interests, than an empire in the traditional sense. The experience of the Germans and Japanese drove home that point further. Brezhnev in his dotage forgot the lesson and invaded Afghanistan, and that proved a costly mistake.
By the late 80s, Soviet historians had already begun to draw the conclusion that Russia could afford to dismantle her empire and not suffer a permanent or even serious diminuation of her power, so long as she retained control of the most strategically vital reasons. They might, even, become more powerful since areas that chaffed under their rule might be more loyal as allies than as provinces. This was, mind you, before the collapse of the Soviet Union. It may have been a way of psychologically softening the blow, or it might have marked a change in policy, but the commonwealth model was clearly on their minds before the collapse.
In other words, Russia is not likely to be aiming at real estate; Russia's aims would have to do with expanding their circle of economic allies, creating a new commonwealth where they could reap the greatest benefit at the least cost to themselves. Does this mean I'm saying their rational? No, not necessarily, but they are more sophisticated than they were 40, 50, or 100 years ago. That makes them more dangerous; even so, looking at Putin's actions, he's not terribly original. That would make predicting his actions and defending against them easier (that is, if we had anybody in Foggy Bottom with half a brain).
So, Storage, I'm not diminishing the threat, but you and I see it playing out differently.
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:40:32am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Hope all goes well --my thoughts and prayers are with you!
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:42:37am |
Good morning real.
Given how busy you have been your whole life, you know you would lose your mind if you just sat around with nothing to do. You are a "doer".
By the way, you are playing 36 this weekend. Something tells me you might shoot a low score in one round. It's supposed to get windy and you play well in the wind.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:42:49am |
re: #631 tfc3rid Which is why the US has to take out Iran and Syria. Not with Nukes, but render them militarily incapable of defending themselves against a major power such as, oh I don't know, Kuwaitt maybe. Seriously we NEED to get after both Iran and Syria and take out their respective "Air Forces" SAM missle and Radar sites, "Navies" and dump thousands of 250-500 pound bombs on the Iranian Revolutinary Guards armored divisions (and infantry) and on whatever the hell Syria has that passes for Armored or Mechanized infantry and ESPECIALLY take out their respective Command and Control centers and operations.
Not one boot on the ground (except maybe for a couple hundred SF boots to paint targets for our Tomahawk and Stealth and B-1, B-52 bombers.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:42:56am |
re: #623 storagemanager
Thanks -- I'll read this closely later.
BTW, I spent the first 20 years of my life being told that Armageddon was right around the corner -- I'm sort of jaded on unfulfilled apocalyptic prophecies. I guess you could call it end-times fatigue.
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:42:58am |
I live along the lake Michigan lakeshore, and I'm right in the middle of the target zone for severe weather... heavy rain with gale force winds are expected, starting late this afternoon.
10-12 foot surf has been predicted, but I walk down to the beach and lighthouse every day with the dog and I know that the surf is usually a lot more vigorous than that, with storms like this one.
The oil lamps are ready for a power outage, and I'm getting ready to go outside and batten down the hatches.
Looks like we're in for a hum-dinger.
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:43:45am |
re: #622 realwest
Good morning Real!
I agree, the Russians & Chinese will help the Iranians to the extent that they sell them lots of 2nd & 3rd rate equipment. The Russians will also pass on any intelligence they have on the US or Israeli military preparations. But the Iranians ought to take that intel with a large grain of salt, considering how the Russians deliberately misinformed the Arabs before the 6 Day War.
There's also the possibility the Russian's may have some military advisors operating the fancy new air defence systems and training the Iranian counterparts. In which case, these Russians may swallow an Israeli missile.
But no way will either the Russians or Chinese send troops to defend Iran. They will be much happier to let the Iranians dies after goading them on. The Russians are drooling in anticipation of their fat bank accounts when the oil prices shoot up following an attack on Iran.
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dogbreath Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:44:06am |
re: #49 eastvillageinfidel
Every month or so I get a letter from the NYT begging me to subscribe. I take it straight to the garbage in back and I DON"T recycle it. So there, NYT!
I write them little letters on the reply card and send them back. I figure that’s why their stock is down--because of all the postage I’m costing them.
So, don’t be shy. Tell them what you think. Every reply card you send costs them money. Try taping one to a cinder block.
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BenZacharia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:44:27am |
Thanx everybody.
Having troble posting from this kiosk. Damn thing keeps kicking me off.
SiteCoach is set to give a WARNING! FOR LGF AND FOX, but not for dailykos and cnn, just checked.
Gotta go for awhile, will check back with ya'all later.
TTFN™ & goneski
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:44:28am |
re: #630 Carridine
That is still an excellent article and, as you say, worth reading.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:44:30am |
re: #648 BeerForMyHorses
If we haven't had a thread on the LOST treaty (I couldn't find one), I think we should!
What about the lost Kerry military records Gordon promised us?
Don't tell me Gordon full of crap on that too?
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:45:06am |
A Gaza man incurred the anger of a Hamas-affiliated preacher in Gaza Tuesday by claiming to be the Mahdi, or Muslim redeemer. The man went to the Imam to seek his endorsement and instruct him to tell Muslims to follow his instructions. The Imam reacted by summoning armed Hamas men, who arrived and told the self-proclaimed redeemer to take back his claims. When the man continued to insist that he was the Mahdi, police shot him in the foot and then released him ([Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
(Special thanks to Joel Richardson for alerting me to this: [Link: www.joels-trumpet.com...]
As comical and pathetic as this appears, it also corroborates my oft-repeated thesis that many Muslims have convinced themselves (or been convinced by their leaders, religious and political) that the Ummah is in such dire straits that only supernatural deliverance via the Mahdi can save it. Eventually a tipping point will be reached where a Mahdist claimant will be someone of enough stature to lead a serious movement and perhaps even be handed, or seize, the reins of power somewhere. Make no mistake, it will happen. And then it will be him and his followers doing the shooting, not the other way around
[Link: www.mahdiwatch.org...]
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:45:17am |
re: #628 Irene NYC Hey Morning back atcha!
How are you doing this fine day?
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Silhouette Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:45:32am |
At a spot more than 200 yards inside the U.S., Mexican Army troops set up several mounted machine guns
I wonder what it would be like if, for just one day, we acted like a country.
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lucius septimius Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:47:22am |
OK, gotta run. Time to do some reading and math. If Oldest Son is good, we'll balance some chemistry equations this afternoon. He actually enjoys that.
Geeks of tomorrow, arise!
Have a great day, ya'll. Good discussion this morning.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:47:27am |
re: #656 lucius septimius
re: #623 storagemanager
Thanks -- I'll read this closely later.
BTW, I spent the first 20 years of my life being told that Armageddon was right around the corner -- I'm sort of jaded on unfulfilled apocalyptic prophecies. I guess you could call it end-times fatigue.
I hear you there. I do have to say though, that this is the first time that I can recall that it is not just the "atomic clock" folks and certain elements of the Christian right. When Israel herself is talking about the War of Gog and Magog and the entire islamic world is awaiting their mahdi, that is enough to make me think this isn't just more of the same old same.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:48:06am |
re: #656 lucius septimius
yesterday on tv...........
US President George W. Bush said Wednesday that he had warned world leaders they must prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons "if you're interested in avoiding World War III." "We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush said at a White House press conference after Russia cautioned against military action against Tehran's suspect atomic program. "So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," said Bush.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:49:17am |
re: #657 Irish Rose
There's nothing more majestic than seeing one of those storms blow in off Lake Michigan, especially if you're already battened down and can relax for a second.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:49:52am |
re: #629 jaybo "I agree with Jared Israel: it is not by accident that we keep 'accidentally' Islamifying other countries." Um, WHAT? Name one nation that we've Islamified, accidentally or otherwise.
Ain't it a little early for kool-aid?
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:50:44am |
re: #655 realwest
The biggest threat from both Syria & Iran are their missiles & enormous stockpiles of chemical & biological weapons. If pushed into a corner they may lash out by firing off these missiles at the Gulf states, US bases in Iraq, and of course, Israel. This won't win the war for them, but it will make a nightmare of the region.
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Widow'smight Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:51:07am |
re: #632 Benzacharia
Just saw Craig Morgan Oct 6th in Lancaster (PA not OH), he was great. I like the new Montgomery Gentry song myself. I have a tough time relating to Hollywood Tim and Faith, although the song you talk about is very good. More of a Toby Keith/Trace Adkins type.
Give your bride a big hug and kiss.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:51:18am |
re: #659 dogbreath
I write them little letters on the reply card and send them back. I figure that’s why their stock is down--because of all the postage I’m costing them.
So, don’t be shy. Tell them what you think. Every reply card you send costs them money.
Yep. It gets charged to their postage account at the PO.
Drive them up a wall too.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:51:28am |
re: #670 realwest
re: #629 jaybo "I agree with Jared Israel: it is not by accident that we keep 'accidentally' Islamifying other countries." Um, WHAT? Name one nation that we've Islamified, accidentally or otherwise.
Ain't it a little early for kool-aid?
Remember Yugoslavia?
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cosmo Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:52:09am |
"They adhere to the tenets of islam..."
...except for the smoking thing.
"Many have medium level education."
...and are brainwashed daily at the mosque.
I have my doubts about Mr. Foggy Face and his story. He looks a lot like he lives in the Bronx and drives a cab. He obviously is a weak mind, as he says he's a "holy warrior" yet does not subscribe to the type of islam that the mujahideen preach. Um. No smoking.
He'd better hope the NYT paid him in euros the way the dollar is tanking worldwide. And pay him they did for this "documentary" in the same vein as "Sicko" and "An Inconvenient Truth."
"We've lost the war." -- Sen. Harry Reid, D-NV
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:54:06am |
re: #272 galloping granny
I guess that I have become somewhat immune to the on-going outright treason that the New York Times has exhibited for years. Not "accepting of" - just that nothing they do could surprise me anymore, not after the numerous times over the last few years that they have deliberately released state secrets, published things that were outright gimmes to terrorists and done their absolute damndest to overthrow our government.And this is nothing new for the slimes. Back during WWII they were THE prime movers & shakers behind the burying of any knowledge about the Holocaust on page D-54 in fine print between the advertising. Now connect that with their slogan - "All the news that's fit to print." In other words, if they don't choose to run a story then that story is not important or is a lie.
If you ever have a chance to read David McCullough's "1776", don't pass it up. In setting up his chapters on the New York campaign, he excerpts from a letter by Nathaniel Greene to his wife, in which Greene rather colorfully describes New Yorkers as being obnoxious, contrarian, and sympathetic to the English... And this is in early 1776, before the United States was even officially declared independent.
The lesson I took away from this was "Some things never change."
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:54:12am |
re: #659 dogbreath
re: #49 eastvillageinfidel
Every month or so I get a letter from the NYT begging me to subscribe. I take it straight to the garbage in back and I DON"T recycle it. So there, NYT!
I write them little letters on the reply card and send them back. I figure that’s why their stock is down--because of all the postage I’m costing them.
So, don’t be shy. Tell them what you think. Every reply card you send costs them money. Try taping one to a cinder block.
I like the way you think ;).
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:54:50am |
Most fake bombs missed by screeners
75% not detected at LAX; 60% at O'Hare
[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:55:04am |
Or is it just me or is anyone (besides the Lizards) concerned about China ?She has something like 1/2 a million men of military age with out women; With a growing population and corresponding growing demands for oil -- is geographically situated much closer to the ME than we are.
I'm thinking the ME should be glad we want to have a presence in their lands. If China decides to invade, she will not try to convert the government to a democracy, or build hospitals and schools for the residents. She will kill them and import her own.
A propaganda war and any military/terrorist stragey by the ME will not defeat China.
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UFO TOFU Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:57:11am |
re: #632 Benzacharia
Do you have another link, I can't seem to get that one to work?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:57:23am |
Time for a permanent boycott of Disney -
Radio Disney: Remove God From 'Ten Commandments' Movie Ad
It's a movie about the Bible, but family-friendly Disney Co. is moving heaven and earth to make sure the word "God" is stricken from some advertisements promoting an upcoming animated film on Moses and the Ten Commandments.
Radio Disney was to broadcast a radio spot for Promenade Pictures, makers of the film "The Ten Commandments," but the company sent an e-mail earlier this month instructing that the phrase "chosen by God" be stripped from the script.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:57:38am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Good mornin' ya'all
Posting from the 5th floor atrium at the Arthur G. James Cancer Hospital at the Ohio State University Hospitals.
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
It's raining and 70°.
How's everybody?
Just said some prayers for you and your wife (and your kids), Ben.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:59:08am |
I think that we have been very lucky thus far in this conflict and back to Gulf War I, that major stockpiles of bio and chem weapons were not used...
I think that things are gettign white hot now and sadly I can see a major offensive coming where WMD in some degree are used, against civilian populations and against our forces...
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 6:59:24am |
re: #678 storagemanager
Most fake bombs missed by screeners
75% not detected at LAX; 60% at O'Hare[Link: www.usatoday.com...]
Isn't that reassuring as all hell. Absolutely sure to get me on a plane again. I would love to see my littlest grandbaby, but only if I drive or ride the bus.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:00:31am |
re: #682 galloping granny
Time for a permanent boycott of Disney -
Radio Disney: Remove God From 'Ten Commandments' Movie AdIt's a movie about the Bible, but family-friendly Disney Co. is moving heaven and earth to make sure the word "God" is stricken from some advertisements promoting an upcoming animated film on Moses and the Ten Commandments.
Radio Disney was to broadcast a radio spot for Promenade Pictures, makers of the film "The Ten Commandments," but the company sent an e-mail earlier this month instructing that the phrase "chosen by God" be stripped from the script.
[Link: www.foxnews.com...]
Walt's spinning faster now.
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redstateredneck Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:00:53am |
BenZ
Prayers for you, your wife & family.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:01:32am |
re: #679 ggt
Or is it just me or is anyone (besides the Lizards) concerned about China ?She has something like 1/2 a million men of military age with out women; With a growing population and corresponding growing demands for oil -- is geographically situated much closer to the ME than we are.
I'm thinking the ME should be glad we want to have a presence in their lands. If China decides to invade, she will not try to convert the government to a democracy, or build hospitals and schools for the residents. She will kill them and import her own.
A propaganda war and any military/terrorist stragey by the ME will not defeat China.
The Middle East is not China's target and it never has been.
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:01:33am |
Speaking of self destructing biased media:
LONDON -- The head of the British Broadcasting Corp. announced budget cuts Thursday that will lead to a net loss of 1,800 jobs.BBC Director-General Mark Thompson told staff that 2,500 jobs would be cut, but 700 new jobs would be created.
and:
Unions have threatened to go on strike to protest the job cuts.
So, let me get this straight. You are going to refuse to do your jobs to protest the prospect of losing your jobs. Okay.......
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Pawn of the Oppressor Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:01:43am |
re: #316 MigueldowninMexico
re: #311 Render
There is a precedent for what the NYSlimes is doing. It was set in 1861.Shut them down and imprison them for the duration of the war.
[Link: www.heritage.org...]
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#300 Mig...
Wasn't that particular event of the Spanish civil War in '36? Either way, Hemingway did much to make the term popular.
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BRIGADE,
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Yes Render, very possible. Or 36 or 39 as Madrid was taken twice.
I guess you are right ;)I agree on Hemingway, For Whom the Bells Toll was a big success and many people read it everywhere.
I'm fairly certain that the term came into use earlier than 1939. I remember seeing Russian Soviet-style Republican "Smash the Fifth Column" posters from not long after Guernica.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:02:01am |
IsraelNN.com) President Shimon Peres has warned that the world must "open its eyes before it is too late" to stop Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's nuclear development program. He made the comment the day after American President George W. Bush stated that failure to stop the un-inspected nuclear program could lead to World War III.
"Many times in history it was too late to stop the immoral and horrible spilling of blood," President Peres stated. "That is the way it was with Stalin, that is the way it was with Hitler and now we are close to a similar circumstance with Ahmadinejad. Iran must not be allowed to become an extreme religious Persian empire that rules the Middle East."
[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:02:28am |
well, I guess Molly Bingham and Steve Connors will be saved for last when the terrorists attack, eh?
Two interesting things I noticed in this propaganda piece for the enemy that the NYT posted:
1.) one of those insurgents said that their legitimate targets are anyone who helps the USA, because it shows they don't support the "mujahadeed"
2.) one of those insurgents said that if someone says to kill the Shar'ia, then it shows that they aren't muslim. Isn't the violence between the two based on their opinion that the other group isn't a true muslim and therefore should die? heh.
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:02:38am |
re: #676 Pawn of the Oppressor
I finished the audio versioin about 2 weeks ago.
To tell you the truth, I finished the audio version of "Master of the Senate"by Robert Caro just before. I am not sure I absorbed much of "1776" with the author's droll narration. I am still reeling after "Master of the Senate."
I moved on to the print version of P.J. O'Rourke's "On the Weath of Nations". "The less we understand the economy, the better it works."
It was just the diversion my brain needed.
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redstateredneck Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:04:37am |
Hey, {Lance, realwest & all y'all}
A sucky wet muggy day here in SW MS.
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Morganfrost Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:04:40am |
I made it through the first 35 seconds of the film before I was so offended I switched it off.
These people are Benedict Arnold without the moral courage.
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:05:30am |
re: #690 galloping granny
I don't know granny. . .
Russia, China and the ME are too close for comfort for me. Maybe not China's current target, but Russia's. An "unholy alliance" between Russia and China would not be good.
China is already flexing it's economic muscle power in Afrika.
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Carridine Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:06:05am |
e: #679 ggt
Or is it just me or is anyone (besides the Lizards) concerned about China ?She has something like 1/2 a million men of military age
But as posters up-thread point out, GGT, MOVING those half-million TO a strategic place, in a practical time, after training, and armed with modern weapons...
...proves to be a bigger logistical problem than the Chinese can overcome. Just having massive numbers of military-age men is NOT the answer in today's world.
AND the Chinese lack a real air force...
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funkyfantom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:06:26am |
re: #453 Carl in Jerusalem
Good Morning Dead Thread!
I am badly swamped with work for the next several hours, so I will not be posting much, but I did manage to get this up about Prime Minister Ehud K. Olmert's little trip today.
I guess if Olmert and his supporters dumb enough to want to hand over Jerusalem to Abbas/PLO/Hamas, they are dumb enough to believe that Russia will make sure Iran doesn't use that nuclear reactor for weapons.
I don't understand the reason for Olmert's visit. What does he have that Putin wants or needs?
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ggt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:06:55am |
re: #699 Morganfrost
I forced myself to watch the entire thing. I always wonder about polls.
How would those poll results hold-up during a deposition?
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stashiu Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:07:14am |
re: #638 Pullus Iulius
We spent half an hour trying to translate it. Then the teacher read it out loud.........ah ha!
We did translate the entire 'Aeneid' in senior year. And this was in a public school, before they went lefty.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:07:34am |
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:07:58am |
MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the U.S. war in Iraq was a "pointless" battle against the Iraqi people, the latest jab at Washington from the increasingly confrontational Russian leader.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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Kenneth Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:08:45am |
re: #696 ploome hineni
The Iraqi electricity minister, Karim Wahid, said that the Iranian project would be built in Sadr City, a Shiite enclave in Baghdad that is controlled by followers of the anti-American cleric Moktada al-Sadr.
Let me guess, the Iraqi electricity minister is a Shia supporter of Mookie?
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phoenixgirl Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:17am |
re: #706 storagemanager
MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the U.S. war in Iraq was a "pointless" battle against the Iraqi people, the latest jab at Washington from the increasingly confrontational Russian leader.[Link: www.cnn.com...]
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GreenDroll Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:19am |
What a shock it is going to be to the NYTimes when Muslims remain murdering terrorists bent on the destruction of all things Western after Bush is out of office.
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jaybo Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:27am |
re: #670 realwest
Kosovo. The Muslims in that area used to be mostly secular, although they were attacking Serbs nonstop for the last 100 years or so. After US intervention, Saudi money is flooding the region, mosques are popping up, and kosovo is a huge heroin trading hub for the Albanian (Muslim) mafia. And of course they still find time to attack Serbs or anyone else speaking the wrong language. Read about Fikret Abdic and Alija Izetbegovic. Then get back to me on the 'kool aid' issue.
From a geopolitical standpoint the Serbs are the same as the Jews: enemies of Islam. They have similar democratic, post 7th century ideology and values. They too are the kind of people that fascists loathe, and who are harder for the US to dominate (as opposed to theocratic thug dictators, who are happy to do whatever the US wants them to do, and who keep their people 'in line' by keeping them mad at the big satan and little satan).
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funkyfantom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:27am |
re: #693 storagemanager
IsraelNN.com) President Shimon Peres has warned that the world must "open its eyes before it is too late" to stop Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad's nuclear development program. He made the comment the day after American President George W. Bush stated that failure to stop the un-inspected nuclear program could lead to World War III.
"Many times in history it was too late to stop the immoral and horrible spilling of blood," President Peres stated. "That is the way it was with Stalin, that is the way it was with Hitler and now we are close to a similar circumstance with Ahmadinejad. Iran must not be allowed to become an extreme religious Persian empire that rules the Middle East."[Link: www.israelnationalnews.com...]
You gotta figure that the Arab oil states, at least, might fear being ruled by Iran more than they would enjoy Israel's nuclear obliteration.
Perhaps in their fantasy world, Israel gets hit first, and then the Arabs band together and stop Persia.
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Alouette Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:45am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Good mornin' ya'all
Posting from the 5th floor atrium at the Arthur G. James Cancer Hospital at the Ohio State University Hospitals.
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
It's raining and 70°.
How's everybody?
Prayers for your beloved! May she enjoy a speedy and complete recovery, and many long years of life with you.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:51am |
Iran on Thursday denounced a warning by US President George W. Bush that the Islamic Republic's nuclear activities could lead to World War III, saying the statement was warlike rhetoric geared at diverting US attention from White House failures in Iraq.
The expression by the US president will eventually cause international insecurity. This sort of policy will jeopardize peace and security at the international level, and is a barrier for peace," the Iranian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mohammad Ali Hosseini, said in a statement.
[Link: www.jpost.com...]
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:10:53am |
re: #669 Spenser (with an S)
re: #657 Irish Rose
There's nothing more majestic than seeing one of those storms blow in off Lake Michigan, especially if you're already battened down and can relax for a second.
Yes I agree, its' one of the reasons I live here... have spent many afternoons and evenings sitting up in the dunes, watching storms come in over the lake.
I'm sick with strep throat, but it won't stop me from taking the car down to the pier this afternoon.
I live on the pooor side of town in a wealthy resort town right out of Norman Rockwell, but the main street/downtown area itself is so small that the "poorer" families are only a block or two from the monied folk. I have the same close access to the beaches as the "rich folks" with "heritage homes"... I have better access to the lakeshore and beaches than probably eighty percent of the wealthy in this community, in fact.
It's amazing sometimes, what you can get when you're willing to downsize ;).
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JammieWearingFool Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:11:55am |
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3 wood Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:12:10am |
Oh this is funny.
I went over the BBC's website to look up what they had about their own financial woes. Get this:
BBC's global website to carry ads
Advertising will appear on the BBC News website for users outside the UK, the corporation's commercial arm says.
BBC Worldwide says advertising will generate new income for the BBC, which needs to plug a £2bn budget shortfall.
So they are $2 billion pounds in the hole (see a pattern here, oh biased media?) But then comes the funny part.
However, critics say commercialisation will undermine the editorial integrity of the BBC and is a slippery slope towards privatisation.
Editorial integrity of the Beeb?
*snort*
*snort laugh*
hahahahahahahahahahahahaah
*wipes tears streaming down the face*
That has got to be one of the funniest things I've read in weeks.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:12:13am |
re: #647 Carridine Morning/evening my friend! Indeed it does! I've read that piece twice before and still come up with the true money quote (at least for me) "These attributes included over-centralization, discouraging initiative, lack of flexibility, manipulation of information, and the discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level."
There is a lot there that bears some semblance to the Nazi Army especially in regards to Over Centralization - Rommel wasn't around on D-Day or D-Day+1. The Nazi's had some superb generals, but the maniac Hitler called all the shots, fancying himself as a new Napolean when he really was just a corporal and had learned precious little in terms of spreading out your command and control for fear of his life.
But the key is, I think in two other comments: lack of flexibility and discouragement of leadership at the junior officer level. If your company grade officers can't LEAD and THINK for themselves, your army is doomed. As great as many of the US General and Field level officers have been, in Korea, Vietnam and Desert I, it was the Company Grade officers (Captains and Lieutentants) who would see opportunities on the battlefield - in the middle of combat - and seize those opportunities and ultimately win, company by company, battallion by battallion frequently against vastly supeior numbers.
Real ground combat is FAST and confusing as hell - no matter what your plan may be, it'll be blown out the window at the firing of the first shots. To be forced to sit and wait for "higher higher" to get it's shit together and tell you what to do meant defeat, over and over again. Think of the French Army in Vietnam. Same problems.
Thanks for that link; hadn't read the article in a long time.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:14:04am |
re: #700 ggt
re: #690 galloping granny
I don't know granny. . .
Russia, China and the ME are too close for comfort for me. Maybe not China's current target, but Russia's. An "unholy alliance" between Russia and China would not be good.
China is already flexing it's economic muscle power in Afrika.
Nor is the Mideast Russia's target. Russia already has enough oil. China's traditional sphere of influence is to be the center of the world and collect tribute from everyone else - particularly the Japan/Korea/Southeast Asia everyone else. Russia's traditional sphere of influence for hundreds of years has been the area surrounding the Caspian and Black seas, with huge designs on the Indian subcontinent. (Read Kipling - Kim outlines it fairly well.)
Think about the game King of the Hill, where all the little guys at the bottom join forces to knock the big guy off the top of the hill.
And it is not just in Africa that China is flexing economic muscle. China owns a huge chunk of US financial interests that if cashed in all at once would make the crash of 29 look like an invitation to a party. Should they decide to stop providing things to Walmart, Walmart would be out of business. (Note how quickly Fisher Price backed off from the "lousy Chinese manufacturing" to "all due to our poor engineering here in the US.") And China is opening a bank in the United States of America. How they intend to square that with our federal regulation of banks and their government ownership, darned if I know.
The ME is not the target. WE are the target. Not "the West", not the EU, not Canada or "the Americas." We the United States of America are the target.
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Just_A_Grunt Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:14:33am |
And yet the reality on the ground is far different. When you are so invested in creating, or hoping for a failure in any endeavour you convince yourself that your perception is reality. Imagine any professional team who brought in a trainer or coach who daily told the team they were the worst and picked at everything they did from putting on their socks to warming up. Do you think that team would be any good?
The MSM has broken the resolve of everybody interested in what happens in Iraq except for the group that matters the most, and that is the men and women who actually have boots on the ground, and G_d bless them, have to turn a deaf ear to this sort of stuff and just get on with their business.
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Pro-Bush Canuck Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:14:35am |
"Aiding and abetting the enemy" is apparently no longer a crime in the United States of America.
But sell an ounce of pot in most states? Welcome to the big house.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:14:53am |
re: #706 storagemanager
MOSCOW, Russia (AP) -- President Vladimir Putin said Thursday that the U.S. war in Iraq was a "pointless" battle against the Iraqi people, the latest jab at Washington from the increasingly confrontational Russian leader.
[Link: www.cnn.com...]
Olmert to tell Putin...Israel will not accept nuclear Iran. [Link: www.ynetnews.com...]
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Yankee Division Son Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:16:50am |
OT - (A story you won't read in the NYT..)
KALSU, Iraq – A 72-year-old man stopped a suspected suicide bomber from detonating himself at a checkpoint in Arab Jabour Oct. 14.
Baresh opened fire which caused the vest to detonate, killing the suspect.
“I did it for the honor of my family and the honor of my country,” said Baresh
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:16:59am |
re: #654 3 wood
Good morning my friend! I'm playing 36 holes, in one day? Are you kidding me, why after the 19th hole you'd have to point me in the direction of the first tee! LOL! If I shoot well, it'll definitely be in the first round; I no longer have the stamina for 36 and envy you for your second 18 will probably be better than my first 18!
Hope you and yours are well today!
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:21:25am |
Omeish congratulates those who give up their lives. Any ambiguity here?
MAS President Omeish claims he is the victim of a smear campaign. Omeish claims that he isn't condoning or calling for violence. Decide for yourself
[Link: www.investigativeproject.org...]
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:22:19am |
re: #658 Kenneth Good morning my friend!
"The Russians are drooling in anticipation of their fat bank accounts when the oil prices shoot up following an attack on Iran."
Now ain't that the truth! Quick quiz: who is the number one exporter of oil in the world RIGHT NOW?
Can't wait around for answers, chores await, so the answer is: ta da RUSSIA! They will never admit it, but with Iraq oil production in significant amounts a long way off, no Iranian oil would make them, not the Saud's, the king of oil in the world. Putin is no dumbass, he WAS the head of the KGB when the USSR broke up; he has a pretty good grasp of realpolitics.
How are you doing today my friend?
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phoenixgirl Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:22:24am |
re: #722 Yankee Division Son
OT - (A story you won't read in the NYT..)
KALSU, Iraq – A 72-year-old man stopped a suspected suicide bomber from detonating himself at a checkpoint in Arab Jabour Oct. 14.
Baresh opened fire which caused the vest to detonate, killing the suspect.
“I did it for the honor of my family and the honor of my country,” said Baresh
well he better watch out for "warrior" and his ilk...they'll be gunning for him and his family......the "concerned citizen" must have been part of the minority in the propaganda poll, may God protect him
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:23:18am |
re: #714 Irish Rose
I know what you mean. My folks, while not poor, built a house across the street and up a dune from the lake. My poor family now has access through a 300 yd. path to the same gorgeous beach that the $1-5M houses have. Just down the street is former ambassador Peter Sechia and the other way is MSU's B-ball coach Tom Izzo. It's nice.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:23:46am |
re: #660 BenZacharia Uh, Ben, what's sitecoach?! Sorry to bother you at a time like this but I've never heard of it!
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:24:57am |
BERLIN (AP) - The dollar fell to a new record low against the euro on Thursday, with the euro buying $1.4305 after trading opened in New York.
The dollar weakened amid negative U.S. economic data. The U.S. Labor Department reported Thursday that the number of newly laid off workers filing claims for unemployment benefits shot up by the largest amount since early February, a far bigger increase than had been expected.The 13-nation euro jumped shortly after New York markets opened for business, surpassing its previous all-time high of $1.4282, which had been reached Oct. 1, and well above the $1.4186 it bought in New York late Wednesday
[Link: www.breitbart.com...]
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:25:09am |
re: #722 Yankee Division Son
OT - (A story you won't read in the NYT..)
KALSU, Iraq – A 72-year-old man stopped a suspected suicide bomber from detonating himself at a checkpoint in Arab Jabour Oct. 14.
Baresh opened fire which caused the vest to detonate, killing the suspect.
“I did it for the honor of my family and the honor of my country,” said Baresh
I'll try to remember him when someone says that the Iraqis are not worth saving.
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recklessprocess Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:25:37am |
The times site has a 'video feedback' link at the bottom of the page. I sent this;
Nice work, supporting our enemies like that. I am sure your continuing encouragement of our enemies has caused the deaths of many of our troops in Iraq. You just seem to feel you cannot do or say enough often enough to really encourage al Qaida to continue killing Iraqi citizens and, in turn, the men and women we have sent to Iraq to protect them.
I will never understand the New York Times eagerness to force a US defeat and glee at making our efforts abroad more costly in terms of the lives of the Iraqis we are there to protect and the lives of our own people.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:25:46am |
re: #671 Kenneth You are right again. But I think if they use WMD's against us or our troops, we'll just level 'em. Whatever it takes to do that.
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:27:09am |
re: #728 Spenser (with an S)
re: #714 Irish Rose
I know what you mean. My folks, while not poor, built a house across the street and up a dune from the lake. My poor family now has access through a 300 yd. path to the same gorgeous beach that the $1-5M houses have. Just down the street is former ambassador Peter Sechia and the other way is MSU's B-ball coach Tom Izzo. It's nice.
What beach are you referring to?
I'm up in Grand Haven.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:27:18am |
re: #733 realwest
re: #671 Kenneth You are right again. But I think if they use WMD's against us or our troops, we'll just level 'em. Whatever it takes to do that.
I don't know about that realwest. I honestly expect little other than hand wringing, gnashing of teeth and posturing out of any of the current crop of politicos in such a situation.
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:28:14am |
Fear of Radicalism Prompts Federal Panel to Recommend Closing Saudi School in Virginia
Islam and terrorist? [Link: www.foxnews.com...]
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:29:11am |
USMC opens a high school in Chicago.
my only problem is that I wouldn't be able to teach there. *grin*
I think it is a GREAT idea for 2 reasons:
1.) They are not required to enlist upon graduation
2.) The school will give the structure and order necessary for today's generation to develop discipline and get a good education in something other than 'Creative Spelling' and 'finger painting'
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:29:25am |
Keep this nosy neighbor and overzealous cop away from me!
SCRANTON, Pa. (AP) - Talk about a potty mouth. A Scranton woman who allegedly shouted profanities at her overflowing toilet within earshot of a neighbor was cited for disorderly conduct, authorities said. Dawn Herb could face up to 90 days in jail and a fine of up to $300.
"It doesn't make any sense. I was in my house. It's not like I was outside or drunk," Herb told The Times-Tribune of Scranton. "The toilet was overflowing and leaking down into the kitchen and I was yelling (for my daughter) to get the mop."
Herb doesn't recall exactly what she said, but she admitted letting more than a few choice words fly near an open bathroom window Thursday night.
Her next-door neighbor, a city police officer who was off-duty at the time, asked her to keep it down, police said. When she continued, the officer called police.
Mary Catherine Roper, an attorney with the American Civil Liberties Union in Philadelphia, took issue with the citation.
"You can't prosecute somebody for swearing at a cop or a toilet," she said.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:29:56am |
re: #736 realwest
I'm doing alright, yourself?
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:30:05am |
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:30:06am |
This is definitely worth a read on the origins of rabid anti-Semitism in the ME.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:30:48am |
re: #734 Irish Rose
Yep, they're on N. Shore Drive across the channel. I've probably seen you at Temptations (Ice cream, not a strip club, dirty minded ones out there). We were the ones with 4 kids simultaneously dropping their new cones on the sidewalk.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:31:00am |
re: #698 redstateredneck Hey Red, same here but without the rain! Yuch! Hope you're doing well today!
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storagemanager Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:33:20am |
The president also referred more than once to Iraq's experience, which he said showed the need for oil-rich states like Russia to keep strong defences."Thank God Russia is not Iraq," Putin told a questioner who asked about supposed U.S. intentions to gain control of Siberia's vast natural resources.
"It is strong enough to protect its interests... What we are doing to increase our defence capability is the correct choice and we will continue to do that
[Link: uk.news.yahoo.com...]
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:33:42am |
re: #739 MandyManners
Wow, I swear at my toilet sometimes!
I also cuss at the washer and dryer, the fridge, and my broken-down POS Pontiac.
The local police station is in my backyard, next street over... guess I'd better watch my step ;).
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:35:18am |
re: #739 MandyManners
for swearing at a toilet, she should not get fined.
But when she was asked by the neighbor to stop, as the neighbor could hear them outside, she swore at them and kept on her rant.
That she can't do. heh. That the neighbor is a cop is why the call went in. The average resident wouldn't have thought to call the cops, even though this lady was being a public nuisance.
The neighbor wasn't being nosey... this lady was yelling and screaming at her toilet (so loudly that other reports mention that she felt embarrassed over it now that it is over) right next to an open window.
When the neighbor asked her to keep it down, she went off on the neighbor as well.
Despite what the ACLU (who is apparently wanting to take the case) says, you really don't have a right to be a public nuisance.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:35:37am |
re: #710 jaybo "After US intervention, Saudi money is flooding the region, mosques are popping up, and kosovo is a huge heroin trading hub for the Albanian (Muslim) mafia. And of course they still find time to attack Serbs or anyone else speaking the wrong language."[emphasis added, realwest].
Sorry jaybo, I thought you said something about the US setting up Islamic regimes.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:36:18am |
re: #746 Irish Rose
Say, if you have a moment, do you think you could email me? (click on my blue name)
I've a couple questions for you for off-the-board.
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Pro-Bush Canuck Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:37:08am |
re: #748 LanceKates
Exactly. There are limits to "privacy". You can't stand around naked in a window if you live across the street from a playground.
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:37:47am |
So, will the NYT hysterically report that Russia's development of new nuclear weapons threatens civilization, the way it has as the US seeks to upgrade and maintain its own nuclear arsenal against threats such as Russia?
What do you think. /sarc
No, the NYT only complains when the US takes steps to protect itself from foreign threats and spends on national defense, but when foreign countries take steps that can prove to be hostile against the US, they remain curiously silent (or buried on page A30). Or, they focus on Putin's warnings against the US missile defense system.
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ec marm Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:37:54am |
I remember when a trip to church required washing your face and putting on some nice clothes. In San Fran Land it means men putting on white face paint and garish makeup, donning a nuns costume, multi-colored hair, and marching up to the altar for communion in a Catholic Church. They brought their own video cameras to record their actions. I hope they intend to invade a mosque in the same fashion next time. Two minute video.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:38:39am |
re: #749 realwest
isn't kosovo where we went in to help the muslims kill christians who were fighting back against muslim attacks?
or am I off-base? My Clinton Era military action knowledge is kind of weak, given that it was one of the few times that the news supported military action. heh.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:38:58am |
re: #716 3 wood It is hilarious, but I thought the British taxpayers supported the Beeb? How come they're not being hit to cover those losses or expenses?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:39:14am |
re: #749 realwest
re: #710 jaybo "After US intervention, Saudi money is flooding the region, mosques are popping up, and kosovo is a huge heroin trading hub for the Albanian (Muslim) mafia. And of course they still find time to attack Serbs or anyone else speaking the wrong language."[emphasis added, realwest].
Sorry jaybo, I thought you said something about the US setting up Islamic regimes.
I think what he is trying to say about "us" setting it up is that the Saudis in and of themselves are powerless to put a muslim regime in place in Kosovo. That was our job. Now the Saudis are footing the bill.
I was wondering something about Albania the other day. Do you ever remember hearing about all the kidnapped Greek children who were marched into Albania by the "nazis" during WWII and never returned to either their families or Greece? I've been wondering if those "nazis" were really Albanian muslims and the kidnapped kids were a modern sort of Janisseries.
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coz Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:39:19am |
Word of the Day
Thursday October 18, 2007
abscond ab-SKOND, intransitive verb:
To depart secretly; to steal away and hide oneself -- used especially of persons who withdraw to avoid arrest or prosecution.
In a sentence:
-Coz must abscond from his 'word of the day' and 'daily trivia' duties tomorrow and is looking for someone to cover for him.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:39:46am |
re: #752 Pro-Bush Canuck
if you keep the shades closed you can.
While we each have property rights and such, the old addage applies:
Your right to swing your arm ends at my nose.
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JimmyTheClaw Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:40:49am |
holy crap code pink pwned by berkley counterprotesters video just on fox
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:41:47am |
re: #756 realwest
re: #716 3 wood It is hilarious, but I thought the British taxpayers supported the Beeb? How come they're not being hit to cover those losses or expenses?
The Brits already pay a heft per television set licensing fee to the BEEB for the privilege of being allowed to own a TV. And go to jail if they get caught not paying, even if they never turn on the BEEB. Virtually none of them pay it willingly. I suspect if they tried to up it a lot to cover the BEEBs losses, mass rebellion might ensue.
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tfc3rid Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:41:50am |
re: #733 realwest
We might level them after we discuss the legality with lawyers...
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jcm Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:42:17am |
re: #756 realwest
re: #716 3 wood It is hilarious, but I thought the British taxpayers supported the Beeb? How come they're not being hit to cover those losses or expenses?
In the United Kingdom, citizens must pay a licence if they own a television set. That's right, a TV tax. For Americans, the whole idea of an annual tax to own a television borders on the absurd. However, in the UK, the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) is a government agency that has the power to tax and enforce laws. In order to obtain funding, the BBC requires that anyone using its services must pay for them. So, if you own a TV set and live in the UK, you could conceivably turn on the BBC broadcasts, so therefore you better pay.
[Link: www.turnoffyourtv.com...]
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txlady Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:42:26am |
re: #739 MandyManners
Welcome to communism. Socialism is the proverbial gateway drug to Communism. Be wary. I'm sure that more is on the way.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:42:33am |
re: #760 JimmyTheClaw
I get CodePINK emails. They're current rant is that because they keep getting arrested for illegal actions (primarily disturbing the peace and protesting inside congressional hearings and worse things), they were denied access to Canada to do some anti-war protest there.
It is a hoot.
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g3n3r1c Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:42:35am |
re: #620 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet
They can have some of our rain - we have had rain 17 of 18 days of this month
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:43:04am |
re: #718 galloping granny China is operating several banks in the US. And suppose China tries to cash in all it's treasury notes and we said to China: No, we won't do it.
Right now China needs us much more than we need China; without American businesses over there, they have virtually NO jobs for their own people and the Urban areas, which have so far been calm, despite damn near rebellion in the countryside, would suddenly wind up sounding and acting like the rest of China.
'Tis not a one way street by any means.
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WriterMom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:43:41am |
WHERE IS MANDY?
I have a new firefighter's calendar to tell you about...Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto is the beneficiary of the new FIREMAN'S CALENDAR.
GA!
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Irish Rose Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:44:27am |
re: #743 Spenser (with an S)
Wow, it's a small world after all!
I've been to Temptations, it's just a few blocks away on 31.
Look for me if you're there again... I'm the smiling, cheerful redhead with two surly teenagers dressed in black. I drive around in a bright blue POS Trans Sport with one bumper sticker that reads "My Son is a US Marine", and another that reads "SQZBX PLYR".
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jcm Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:44:39am |
re: #768 WriterMom
WHERE IS MANDY?
I have a new firefighter's calendar to tell you about...Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto is the beneficiary of the new FIREMAN'S CALENDAR.
GA!
Please! Don't encourage her! ;-)
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NJDhockeyfan Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:44:43am |
Selling America to our enemies...
Dubai Ports redux over China deal
Political fire crackers are popping across Capitol Hill over Bain Capital Partners' announced acquisition of 3Com Corp (Charts)., which will provide a minority stake to Huawei Technologies Co., China's largest telecommunications equipment manufacturer.
"We are deeply troubled by the national security implications of the sale," Arizona Senator Jon Kyl says in a draft letter, obtained by Fortune and addressed to Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson. The draft is circulating in the Senate for additional support. In the House, eight members have introduced a resolution urging the government to reject the deal on national security grounds, citing the Chinese company's military ties.
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Ben Hur Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:45:01am |
By MAUREEN DOWD
But there’s also his bearhug with Israel, so hearty that even W.’s embrace seems tepid in comparison.
Der Juden.
Even though he has been closer to Israel than his dad, at least W. held the Saudi crown prince’s hand in Crawford.
Huber Left hearts Gender Apartheid, Religious Apartheid, Death by Beheadings, Terrorism, Slavery, Amputations, Religious/Moral Police, Oil. Have I missed anything?
Rudy would probably only take the hand of an Arab leader to throw him down a ravine, or a wadi.
“We need to isolate the terror-funding theocrats in every way possible,” he told the Jewish hawks, during a rant on Iran. “And we must end direct and indirect investment until they change their course.”
Der Juden.
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:45:15am |
re: #719 Just_A_Grunt One change to what you said: "except for the group that matters the most, and that is the men and women who actually have boots on the ground, and their families and supporters here at home."
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jcm Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:47:49am |
re: #606 Benzacharia
Good mornin' ya'all
Posting from the 5th floor atrium at the Arthur G. James Cancer Hospital at the Ohio State University Hospitals.
Wifffeee went into surgery at 8:45 AM.
It's raining and 70°.
How's everybody?
Prayers for a speedy recover, and for you and your family.
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itellu3times Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:48:03am |
So what does this film prove except that a lot of Iraqis are not Christians looking for a peaceful solution to things?
The film isn't bad, under the "know thy enemy" heading, but they go and blow it when they misquote Gen. Sanchez right up front - though if they quoted him accurately, it wouldn't have mattered much. And then at the end they draw a conclusion. So, the film again stops being a documentary and becomes an argument, propganda.
Should the US have done things differently? Yeah, probably. And I should have bet on the Rockies winning the pennant early in the season. Is occupation the root cause of resistance? Sure, just like marriage is the root cause of divorce. Sheesh. You see what being humorless gets you, you don' know it when you're the joke.
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WriterMom Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:48:11am |
OK.. I am also offering up a more tame link. Shmaltzy, but lovely.
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:49:04am |
re: #770 jcm
re: #768 WriterMom
WHERE IS MANDY?
I have a new firefighter's calendar to tell you about...Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto is the beneficiary of the new FIREMAN'S CALENDAR.
GA!Please! Don't encourage her! ;-)
Nowhere near as cool as the Marines calendar she posted. And I think I remember something about an IDF calendar . . . .
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realwest Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:49:41am |
re: #735 galloping granny I can understand how you feel, but if WMD's are used against our troops, I HAVE NO DOUBT that Bush would retaliate with a ferocity the world hasn't seen since Dresden and then some.
I really think Bush feels a connection to the troops and a LOT of us would be egging him on
(not that he'd need it).
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MandyManners Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:49:46am |
re: #768 WriterMom
WHERE IS MANDY?
I have a new firefighter's calendar to tell you about...Princess Margaret Hospital in Toronto is the beneficiary of the new FIREMAN'S CALENDAR.
GA!
Where's the drool bucket?
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:51:01am |
re: #781 realwest
re: #735 galloping granny I can understand how you feel, but if WMD's are used against our troops, I HAVE NO DOUBT that Bush would retaliate with a ferocity the world hasn't seen since Dresden and then some.
I really think Bush feels a connection to the troops and a LOT of us would be egging him on
(not that he'd need it).
Three years ago I would have been the first to agree with you realwest. These days not so much.
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Spenser (with an S) Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:52:28am |
re: #769 Irish Rose
"SQZBX PLYR"
Accordion? Anyway, please consider what I said yesterday about Covenant Life Church. It sounds like you could walk there and they are very casual, welcoming and helpful. You would not have to join anything, and they have access to food and, I think, a job board. We recently had 3 boys within 12 months and my business was not going great and we had no OBGYN coverage. It was so hard to ask for help, but our church in GR was great. We are now totally at home there and looking forward to being able to bless others soon.
/Sermon off, but praying still
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lawhawk Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:52:53am |
This is certain to stick in Carl in Jerusalem's craw - Israel given green light to resume negotiations with Hamas over Shalit's release.
Hamas still demands more than 1,000 of its thugs released from Israeli jails, while Israel has offered as many as 200 (which is still 200 too many).
Hamas likes to talk about confidence building measures and Israel lacking the ability to negotiate in good faith.
Hah! I suggest Hamas attempt to curry favor and good faith by releasing Shalit without any preconditions. Let's see him released alive and well, and go from there. Consider it a belated Simchat Torah gift to the Shalit family.
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LanceKates Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:53:00am |
re: #777 itellu3times
The issue I take is that they're not presenting this as though the insurgents are incorrect. They 'back it up' with the bit about Sanchez, and all the interviews and the text to make it look as though the enemy is the 'everyman' and all of Iraq wants us out.
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BenZacharia Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:54:04am |
Thanx everybody that posted after I left.
SiteCoach is nannyware.
Just finished talking to the doc. Several biopsy's were taken. One procedure revealed nothing. The third procedure was a failure, to much rad damage, so kidneys will suffer.
Doc thinks the big C is back. And will be scheduling additional biopsy's in the area of the aortic lymph's and kidney.
When the biopsy results are in we'll know more, duh.
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Ward Cleaver Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:54:44am |
re: #697 LanceKates
Hey ggt
Hey Wardhow're you all?
Doin' good this morning. Lance, is everything still standing up there, or did it get blown away?
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maximoso Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:54:50am |
I can't believe what I just watched. THat's setting a NEW LOW - every for NYT. Pure propaganda that flies in the face of reality. Full of lies and portraying our enemy into something he is not.
Morgan stanley dumping all it's NYT stock - Good decision. Who wants to be some middle east investors will be loading up on their stock shares as they are getting dumped on the market
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galloping granny Thu, Oct 18, 2007 7:55:17am |
re: #787 BenZacharia
Thanx everybody that posted after I left.
SiteCoach is nannyware.
Just finished talking to the doc. Several biopsy's were taken. One procedure revealed nothing. The third procedure was a failure, to much rad damage, so kidneys will suffer.
Doc thinks the big C is back. And will be scheduling additional biopsy's in the area of the aortic lymph's and kidney.
When the biopsy results are in we'll know more, duh.
I am so sorry BenZ. If there is anything we can do other than pray, please do holler.
