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From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb

Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:52:39 pm PDT

At City Journal, Andre Glucksmann, a top advisor to French president Nicolas Sarkozy and one of the few outright defenders of the US in France, argues that the West needs to show vigilance against the existential threat of the human bomb and modern terrorism: From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb.

Astrophysicists have found, wandering in the starry expanse, certain black holes. When faraway stars come into contact with them, the stars disappear, along with their planets, swallowed by bottomless darkness. From the beginning, human civilizations have existed alongside analogous moral abysses, which foreshadow an end of all things. According to tradition, such annihilation suggests a jealous and vengeful divinity, or malevolent demons.

In their endeavor to understand the black holes that threaten societies, the inventors of Western philosophy, comparing them to natural cataclysms, earthquakes, volcanoes, and epidemics, refused to see in them a supernatural sanction or to deny the responsibility of mortals. If God is not a cause, the darkness that threatens to overtake humanity is human, irreducible to an impersonal fate. The destructive principle inheres in us, whether we know it or not—this is the persistent message of the tragedians. Hate moves like Thucydides’s plague, not a purely physiological condition but an essentially mental disorder, which takes over bodies, minds, and society. The idea of a contagion of hatred must be taken literally: hatred spreads hatred, an outbreak that inoculates itself against all who oppose it.

Maybe one day, we will view the last century with nostalgia, even if it was dealt Auschwitz and Hiroshima. For today’s terrorism strives to mix these two ingredients into new cocktails of horror. During the cold war, the threat to man was dual: one, between two blocs, involved reciprocal annihilation; the other, terrorist, confined the savage extermination of civilian populations to the interior of each camp. Today, global terrorism eliminates geostrategic borders and traditional taboos. The last seconds of the condemned of Manhattan, of Atocha, and of the London Underground sent us two messages: “Here abandon all hope,” the Dantesque injunction carried by a bomb that wipes the slate clean; and “Here there is no reason why,” the nihilist gospel of SS officers. Hiroshima signified the technical possibility of a desert that approaches closer and closer to the absolute; Auschwitz represented the deliberate and lucid pursuit of total annihilation. The conjunction of these two forms of the will to nothingness looms in the black holes of modern hatred.

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1 somaking  10/22/07 10:56:19 pm reply quote 0

I won't be the first to say "Right On" France!

2 konservo  10/22/07 10:56:56 pm reply quote 1

Deep. Very Nietzschean.

3 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/22/07 10:57:08 pm 0
4 Jewels (AKA Julian)  10/22/07 10:58:17 pm reply quote 0

#3 Song and Dance.

God has nothing to do with the threatening. It's his followers that often get it wrong...

5 konservo  10/22/07 10:59:26 pm reply quote 0

Oh, he's citing Sartre and Merleau-Ponty, no wonder it reminded me of Nietzsche.

6 pat  10/22/07 10:59:27 pm reply quote 0

Yep. And I am so glad others see the threat. All of Islam is evil. It could be saved, but it has no wish. They are the marching morons which wish to turn off the lights forever. Even the Islamic secularists are nothing but cannon fodders for the village Imams that follow. And our government is fooled.

7 Cap'n DOC  10/22/07 10:59:40 pm reply quote 1
...the darkness that threatens to overtake humanity is human...

I hope I'm not taking that out of context, but the darkness that is mohammedanism is inhumanity wearing a Black mask.

8 Racer X  10/22/07 11:00:16 pm reply quote 1

Huh?

It's deep how I can be so shallow.

9 Jimmy The Clam  10/22/07 11:00:24 pm reply quote 2

I liked this part best.

A better definition of terrorism is a deliberate attack by armed men on unarmed civilians. Terrorism is aggression against civilians as civilians, inevitably taken by surprise and defenseless. Whether the hostage-takers and killers of innocents are in uniform or not, or what kind of weapons they use—whether bombs or blades—does not change anything; neither does the fact that they may appeal to sublime ideals. The only thing that counts is the intention to wipe out random victims. The systematic resort to the car bomb, to suicide attacks, randomly killing as many passersby as possible, defines a specific style of engagement. When, after Saddam Hussein’s fall, terrorist attacks multiplied in Iraq, they spared no one, especially not Iraqis: schoolchildren in buses or on sidewalks, men and women at the market, the faithful at prayer.

When the naive, the falsely naive, and the downright evil blur categories in support of their ideological prejudices and christen the killer of innocents a “resistance fighter,” more lucid minds disclose a different landscape. Consider an editorial published in a Lebanese paper on August 20, 2003, the day after a bomb-laden cement truck destroyed the United Nations’ center of operations in Baghdad: “Yesterday’s operation against the Baghdad headquarters of the United Nations exemplifies this mentality of destruction. Expel all mediators. Banish every international organization. Let things collapse. Let electricity and water be cut off, and the pumping of oil cease. Let theft prevail. Let universities and schools close. Let businesses fail. Let civic life cease. And at the end of the day the occupation will fail. ‘No!’ protests Joseph Samara, ‘at the end of the road, there will be a catastrophe for Iraq. . . . The attack against the United Nations’ headquarters in Baghdad belongs to another world: it is a form of nihilism, of absurdity, and of chaos hiding behind fallacious slogans, which proves the convergence among those responsible for this action, their intellectual limitation and their criminal behavior.’ ”

10 straitcircle  10/22/07 11:00:47 pm reply quote 0

Last paragragh lost me.

11 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/22/07 11:00:50 pm 3
12 zombie  10/22/07 11:01:12 pm reply quote 1

Nice quotes from Glucksmann!

Has there already been an LGF thread today about Sarkozy's amazing pro-Israel comments? (I've missed many of the threads). If not, they would go great with this Glucksmann stuff.

13 somaking  10/22/07 11:03:34 pm reply quote 0

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14 Cap'n DOC  10/22/07 11:05:56 pm reply quote 0

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15 Kaintuck  10/22/07 11:12:04 pm reply quote 0

Melanie Phillips has an excellent article in this issue of the City Journal on the recent rise in Anti-Semitism in Britain, but the article isn't available from their (City Journal) website.

So I have a recommendation:

SUBSCRIBE!

[Link: www.city-journal.org...]

It's worth the little bit of $ or [unable to make alternate currency signs at the moment] to get your own hard copy.

Some of the best analysis and reading you'll find these days.

K. (willingly unpaid promoter)

16 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/22/07 11:12:12 pm reply quote 3

I detect traces of theologian Karl Barth in this:

The conjunction of these two forms of the will to nothingness looms in the black holes of modern hatred.

In trying to explain the existence of evil in a universe controlled by an all-good and all-powerful God, Barth articulated the concept of Das Nichtige ("the Nothing"). Nothingness has a certain strange existence in that God has said an emphatic "No!" to it. To choose to create anything is to choose not to create certain other things as part of it or attending it. For God to conceptualize and reject unused possibilities bestows a strange quasi-existence on it, and Das Nichtige becomes a "thing" anti-God and anti-everything God wills.

"Evil" is drawing upon and putting oneself in service to Das Nichtige. Evil cannot help in the end throwing itself into violent incoherence and obliteration, but those who come out of God's good creation and enslave themselves to the Nothing inevitably seek to draw the creation with them into it. The seduction of evil. Madness. Death.

Going into God's "No."

17 pat  10/22/07 11:16:26 pm reply quote 0

OT
Dollar say the asshole is a Muslim.
[Link: www.breitbart.tv...]
Just their style.

18 buzzsawmonkey  10/22/07 11:18:05 pm reply quote 2

Excuse me, but what an utter, stinking, stupid pile it is to equate Auschwitz, Hiroshima, and the H-bomb.

"Auschwitz" was one--only one--of a network of establishments built for the purpose of intentionally annihilating an entire people--men, women, and children--from the face of the earth for no reason other than that a mad ideology had decreed that they should no longer exist. (BTW, "Auschwitz" is a misnomer; Birkenau, or "Auschwitz II," was the death camp; Auschwitz proper was a slave labor camp, not a death camp.)

"Hiroshima," unlike the Nazi death camp apparatus, was not an exercise in intentional genocide, but the first of two nuclear strikes which, though they killed hundreds of thousands, saved many times those hundreds of thousands more. Never forget that the Hiroshima bombing did not end the Pacific war; that honor goes to the second nuclear strike, on Nagasaki.

"The H-bomb" is the world's most successful weapon, for (unlike the atom bomb) it has never yet been used. It is, in fact, responsible for preventing an atomic war between the US and the late Soviet Union, and--thus far--between the US and China.

I am tired of stupid, mindless, faux-intellectual moral equivalence.

19 Fjordman  10/22/07 11:20:25 pm reply quote 2

Glucksmann has long been one of the saner voices in France.

20 konservo  10/22/07 11:22:39 pm reply quote 1

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21 Kaintuck  10/22/07 11:22:48 pm reply quote 0

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22 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/22/07 11:25:36 pm 4
23 buzzsawmonkey  10/22/07 11:27:36 pm reply quote 0

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24 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/22/07 11:32:55 pm reply quote 0

Actually, if we're going to get theological, I prefer some older quotes that always remind me of our smug elites:

You have said, "We have made a covenant with Death, and with Hades we have made a pact. The overwhelming flood will not reach us when it passes by, for we have made falsehood our refuge and we have concealed ourselves with deception."

Your covenant with Death shall be cancelled. And your pact with Hades shall not stand. When the overwhelming scourge passes through, then you will become its trampling.

--Isaiah 28:15, 18

Because God did not make death, and he does not delight in the death of the living. For he created all things that they might exist, and the generative forces of the world are wholesome, and there is no destructive poison in them; and the dominion of Hades is not on earth...
But ungodly men by their words and deeds summoned Death; considering him a friend, they pined away, and they made a covenant with him, because they are fit to belong to his party.

--Wisdom of Solomon 1:14-16

25 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/22/07 11:35:46 pm reply quote 0

buzzsaw's point is well-taken, I think.

26 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/22/07 11:38:13 pm reply quote 0

Excellent.

Translated French always reads a little clunky to me, but that can't be helped.

re: #9 Jimmy The Clam

I liked this part best.
A better definition of terrorism is a deliberate attack by armed men on unarmed civilians.

Yep. My personal definition of a terrorist is something like "A non-uniformed, legally unaccountable aggressor who deliberately attacks non-combatants in order to influence policy".

As I see it, the differences between terrorists and soldiers (for any leftists who might be reading, read real careful-like) are:

1. Uniforms identifying the wearer as a member of an organized armed body.
2. Legal accountibility of said body to a court system.
3. The armed body in question targets other combatants, not non-combatants (i.e. "innocent civilians", which is something of an emotionally laden term and not legally accurate, IMO).

Under this set of definitions the closest thing to real legitimate "resistance" in Iraq would be the 1920 Brigades, who allegedly wore identifying markings, attacked only army and police as a matter of policy, and were supposedly fighting for the establishment of an Islamic Iraqi state, if Michael Totten's description of them was accurate.

Notice that this three-axis definition puts Al Queda, the Palestinians, the Iranian proxy groups, etc. firmly in the "terrorist" category.

27 konservo  10/22/07 11:40:29 pm reply quote 1

re: #23 buzzsawmonkey

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28 nyexpat  10/22/07 11:42:38 pm reply quote 1

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29 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/22/07 11:45:21 pm reply quote 3
Hiroshima signified the technical possibility of a desert that approaches closer and closer to the absolute; Auschwitz represented the deliberate and lucid pursuit of total annihilation.

His meanings are explained right there.

Hiroshima was a horror. A necessary and useful horror, yes, but an absolute monstrosity to end all monstrosities (literally), just the same. The demonstrated phenomenon of entire cities burned out of existence in fractions of a second is what he means to portray as a trauma, not the military & political context of the bombings.

30 nyexpat  10/22/07 11:47:46 pm reply quote 0

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31 marisa  10/22/07 11:49:04 pm reply quote 0

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32 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/22/07 11:51:26 pm reply quote 0

Further thoughts on my definition of terrorism at #26: My definition also gives lie to the leftist/Mike al-moor-esque BS about terrorists being "like our founding fathers".

1. Our revolutionary forces wore uniforms. Or, more accurately (and tactics of shooting in lines aside), they were distinguishable from the British because of their lack of good standard uniforms (!).
2. Soldiers in the Continental Army were legally accountible for bad behavior.
3. Murdering non-combatants was not in the cards.

33 Buster Bunny  10/22/07 11:52:15 pm reply quote 0

There are things worth fighting for.

To protect the sanctity of what you exist for, and what you live for.

These terrorists are nothing more than bully boys who need to be taught a lesson, one way or the other.

If appeased they will just be .... bully boys until someone gets hurt.

RECOGNISE THIS AND GET SOMETHING DONE BEFORE THEY DO !

34 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/22/07 11:53:10 pm reply quote 0

re: #17 pat

OT
Dollar say the asshole is a Muslim.
[Link:

35 pat  10/22/07 11:53:22 pm reply quote 0

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36 buzzsawmonkey  10/22/07 11:56:41 pm reply quote 1

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37 pat  10/23/07 12:04:01 am reply quote 0

OK. Another topic. Gibson dissects Neal Gabler ( The Gobbler). For you who do not know Neal, he is a liar on the order of Colmes, but a bit more clever. His trick in a debate is to cite a statistic or fact out of the blue that no one knew was coming. Then claim victory. You know what I mean.

Pat: "Civilian and Military deaths in Iraq were down in September, I think the surge might have an impact".

Neal: "Nonsense. The October floods caused the usual increase in Muslim peace activities, and I have it on good authority that most American and all Irish, British, and Polish troops were kept in barracks during the entire month of September."

Pat: "Neal, I will try to get back to you on that."

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

38 straitcircle  10/23/07 12:13:20 am reply quote 0

I cannot figure it out. But lets turn the encoded message around

First strait forward: From the H-Bomb to the Human Bomb

Now reverse the encoded message: The Human Bomb to the H-Bomb

That describes Mahmud’s desires.

39 somaking  10/23/07 12:19:42 am reply quote 0

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40 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 12:22:40 am reply quote 0

Excuse me, but North Korea hasn't tested any atomic bomb succesfully, much less Iran. Any talk of

hydrogen

devices in the same sentence as Iran or North Korea, is bull[expletive deleted].

/those are exclusively big boy weapons

41 Arbalest  10/23/07 12:23:29 am reply quote 2

Would it be inappropriate of me to point out at this time that more people died in Ted Kennedy's car than any hydrogen bomb explosion, or in fact in all hydrogen bomb explosions?

If we're going to take a trip into moral-equivalency, this is one stop we should make.

42 Render  10/23/07 12:28:33 am reply quote 1

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43 somaking  10/23/07 12:28:48 am reply quote 1

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44 Render  10/23/07 12:30:20 am reply quote 2

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45 uptight  10/23/07 12:32:53 am reply quote 1

off topic

INFIDELS - a photoshop challenge to portray how Islamofascists see (or are taught to see) the West.

Seven pages up already. Some are anti-US, most most are on the right side of the fence and quite hilarious.

46 konservo  10/23/07 12:34:08 am reply quote 0

He's not saying that the H-bomb and Islamofascists are somehow morally equivalent, he's saying that Islamofascists have wet dreams about using nuclear WMD on entire populations of people. Although they do not have the technology now, that does not mean we shouldn't take preventative action.

This is meant to be a wake-up call to ignorant folks who don't see terrorists as a real threat.

47 blackpajamas  10/23/07 12:34:45 am reply quote 0

Did somebody say, "black holes that threaten societies"?

48 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 12:39:13 am reply quote 0

re: #46 konservo

He's not saying that the H-bomb and Islamofascists are somehow morally equivalent, he's saying that Islamofascists have wet dreams about using nuclear WMD on entire populations of people. Although they do not have the technology now, that does not mean we shouldn't take preventative action.

This is meant to be a wake-up call to ignorant folks who don't see terrorists as a real threat.

Our intelligence/military leadership aren't stupid.

/as much as our external and internal enemies would like you to believe

49 konservo  10/23/07 12:49:12 am reply quote 0

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50 blackpajamas  10/23/07 12:49:55 am reply quote 1

HILLARY CLINTON TO STAR IN FEATURE FILM!

Filming has already begun on Hillary's Hollywood blockbuster, featuring Will Smith and Gene Hackman in, Enemy of the Nanny State.

"Mary Jo, Russell and their family are doing everything right. They're working hard, they're serving our country, they're taking responsibility for themselves and taking care of each other."

Clearly, they're not taking care of others, if they're not paying enough taxes.

Enter the Hillaric Avenger!

"There are millions of families like them struggling and coming up short in an economy that just doesn't work for middle class Americans any longer."

See Hillary uproot and change our ENTIRE ECONOMY! And just to make things right.

"Today I would like to outline several of the challenges that this economy and our people face: globalization, rising income inequality, the growing housing crisis, all at a time of unprecedented fiscal irresponsibility in Washington."

(1) Find out Who Hillary's people really are!

(2) Find out when exactly our gov't was fiscally responsible!

(3) Find out why home loans to illegal aliens that didn't have gov't sponsored translators, real estate agents, and mortgage lenders are totally bogus!

(4) Find out how Globalization should raise our children, instead of our prosperity!

"This administration has failed to respond to these challenges and in fact, many of their policies have made things worse. I will chart a new course as President."

Watch as Hillary's administration oversees the entire housing market!

[Ed: Mao had the Greap Leap Forward, Hillary's got the Great Train Wreck Sideways].

"We have to change our economic course just as we have to change course in Iraq,"

[Ed: We're winning in Iraq stupid].

[Ed: Actually, the locals (with a little help) friends of freedom, are winning in Iraq].

"and change course when it comes to health care."

Watch as Hillary creates free doctors (out of primordial liberal smuggness)!

Eliminates the costliness of medical specialization!

And delivers your baby (and associated income bearing instruments) in under 30 minutes or less!

"When it comes to the economy, I believe I have the strength and experience to make that change -- and to make our economy work again for middle class Americans, and for all Americans."

Like Hercules cleaning the stables, Hillary will cleanse our economy from the filth of capitalism!

"Because in this new global economy, what have we seen? We've seen some jobs shipped overseas, and others replaced with machines."

Witness as machines never break, spontaneously design themselves, and make themselves better!

"In this decade the jobs that had been created pay 21% less than the jobs we've lost."

Watch as Hillary will put an end to cheap labor!

51 blackpajamas  10/23/07 12:53:38 am reply quote 0

AND THE SEQUEL!

Nanny State at the Gates!

"It's an economy that doesn't even create many new jobs."

Like the dot-com boom, Hillary makes up for crappy jobs with VOLUME!

"Job growth, since 2001, under President Bush, has been the weakest of any economic recovery since the great depression."

Weakness during weakness is weakness...

[Ed: there's gambling in the casino!]

"It's an economy that demands more from our workers and gives less in return."

Hillary will restore the economy that properly rewards those who don't innovate!

"Over the past six years, worker productivity - that means how hard you're working, how much you put out per hour of your work.

Working "hard" shall put down the insurrection of those who work "smart"!

"Productivity has risen 18%, American workers are the hardest working people in the world. And yet just look around, wages have stayed flat."

We need wage inflation! It must match public school grade inflation!

"Corporate profits are at a forty year high but the average family's income in America has fallen by nearly $1,000."

Average families shall be eliminated!

"Income that is sorely missed as college costs have risen 40%, health care premiums have doubled, and gas prices have more than doubled."

Solutions include:

(1) Coddle lazy tenured jerks!

(2) Don't pay the health care bill, file bankruptcy, demand gov't bailout like with the "The Housing Crisis"!

(3) See Hillary lower gas prices to early 20th century levels!

"According to a recent report, over the 12-month period that ended in July of last year, the slow growth in wages for labor accounted for 64% of the increase in corporate profits."

Evil companies that re-invest in themselves, called "Growth" companies shall be purged.

"So in other words, companies are actually profiting off of their worker's stagnant wages."

There shall be no such thing as a worker that owns stock in their company.

"That is not the way it used to be. It used to be that when corporate profits went up, workers wages went up."

Back when Interns were clean, and the Kennedys were dirty!

"But the current group of corporate leadership is not sharing the benefits of that increasing profitability with the workers who make the profits possible."

Hillary knows all companies, sees all balance sheets, does G*d's taxes.

"It's an economy where the gap between the few at the top and everybody else just keeps getting wider. In 2005, all income gains went to the top 10% of households. While, the bottom 90% saw their incomes decline."

[Ed: Rich people make money?! Poor people aren't good with money?! Make it stop!]

"And the wealthiest 1% held 22% of America's income. Now it used to be less than 10% thirty years ago. This is the highest level of income inequality since 1929."

Purchasing power parity shall be abolished among nations!

52 buzzsawmonkey  10/23/07 12:55:44 am reply quote 2

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53 blackpajamas  10/23/07 12:58:06 am reply quote 1

TRILOGY:

The United Nanny States of America

"Hardly a red letter year for America."

Conservatives will be given a refund on their education.

"And six and a half years of fiscal irresponsibility hasn't helped manners. Between the President's reckless tax breaks to those at the top and a war that is costing $300,000,000 a day, we have run up record debts and we are now at $9 trillion and counting."

$9,000,000,000,000 divided by 300,000,000 citizens is an astronomically unfathomable $30,000 per person!

Watch as credit card companies struggle to count to 30,000.

And! $30,000 shall be made to be less than 6.5% on a 500,000 jumbo loan over 30 years!

"Now up until recently, at least housing prices were rising, 86% between 1998 and 2006. So while hard working families were getting squeezed from every direction, and their credit cards were often maxed out, they'd use their homes as a safety net."

[Ed: Only Bubba can squeeze from every direction].

There shall never be a bias towards families!

"When the bills got too high, they could dip in to their home equity to pay them. Then housing prices started to fall, and suddenly the safety net shrunk."

Hillary will let us all irrationally speculate again!

"At the same time, families who financed their homes with non-traditional high risk loans saw their mortgage rates jump. Now many families finally stuck with mortgages they can't pay and expenses they can't afford."

When the gov't owns the houses, there shall be no mortgages!

"The result is 1.3 million foreclosures so far this year. Filings in August alone were up 261% in Iowa, and home prices are expected to decline this year, the first annual nation-wide drop since housing agencies began keeping records in 1950."

Hillary outlaws foreclosures!

"Alex Pollick, the former CEO of the Federal Home Loan Bank of Chicago, recently testified before Congress and said that the problems in the housing market could cost America $3 trillion in household wealth."

[Ed: $3,000,000,000,000 divided by 300,000,000 people is $10,000 per person. When you're about to capsize on a $800,000 housing investment, $10,000 is a bargain, it's called 1.25%, ya twit].

"And while we all hope that the housing markets woes remain contained, experts worry that the prices in the housing market could spread throughout the economy."

Hillary will shield us all from the evil economy! We will give her all our money, and she will hold it in trust.

"We're already seeing some early warning signs."

[Ed: That's you - you are the warning sign].

54 galloping granny  10/23/07 12:58:41 am reply quote 0

Interesting, very very interesting -

Ahmadinejad Cuts 2-Day Visit to Armenia Short

YEREVAN, Armenia — Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad cut short his two-day visit to Armenia on Tuesday, an Armenian presidential spokesman said.

The Armenian government had expected Ahmadinejad to address parliament and, in what was likely to cause controversy, plant a sapling at a memorial commemorating the victims of what Armenians consider genocide.

Viktor Sogomonian, press secretary of Armenian President Robert Kocharian, gave no reason for the Iranian president's decision to skip both planned events and return to Iran.

Russia's ITAR-Tass news agency, citing an unnamed source, said the decision was connected with unexpected developments in Iran.

More - [Link: www.foxnews.com...]

55 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 12:59:26 am reply quote 0

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56 blackpajamas  10/23/07 1:01:41 am reply quote 1

JUST FOUR CLOSURE:


"Consumer confidence has weakened. The pace of employment growth has slowed even more since the beginning of this year. Automakers are recording that the housing prices is hurting auto sales and big investment banks are writing off billions in investments and starting layoffs tied to the housing industry."

All of Hillary's well behaved consumers shall continue to spend themselves deeper into debt.

Self-correcting markets are evil!

"So taken together, the pressures of stagnant wages; rising health, education, and energy costs; increased household debt; and a softening housing market are creating a trap door economy."

Hillary Clinton, trap door economist.

"Too many families are standing on that trap door, just one diagnosis, one pink slip, one missed mortgage payment away from falling through and losing everything they've worked for."

Hillary outlaws archaic devices such as credit limits!

"They're bearing all of the risks of the global economy but reaping few of the rewards."

The Chinese shower their peasants with valuable cash and prizes!

"So I hear all over as I travel throughout Iowa and America, people asking me, people asking themselves, ‘What am I going to do?' And I think it's fair to ask our leaders, ‘What are you going to do?'"

[Ed: Just who is you leader Hillary? What planet are they from? I could go on, and on, and on... But, decorum probably prevents me from doing so].

57 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:02:27 am reply quote 0

re: #50 blackpajamas

HILLARY CLINTON TO STAR IN FEATURE FILM!

Filming has already begun on Hillary's Hollywood blockbuster, featuring Will Smith and Gene Hackman in, Enemy of the Nanny State.

"Mary Jo, Russell and their family are doing everything right. They're working hard, they're serving our country, they're taking responsibility for themselves and taking care of each other."
[SNIP]

And delivers your baby (and associated income bearing instruments) in under 30 minutes or less!

"When it comes to the economy, I believe I have the strength and experience to make that change -- and to make our economy work again for middle class Americans, and for all Americans."

Experience at what? The only things that I know of that give Hillary Clinton any experience in economic endeavour are shady land deals and bogus campaign contributions. Doesn't sound like much of a base for national economic growth to me.

58 BignJames  10/23/07 1:06:01 am reply quote 0

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59 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:10:47 am reply quote 0

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re: #57 galloping granny

Cattle futures....don't forget cattle futures..how to turn $1k into $100k overnight!

What? Has she got some magic powder I don't know about? I want some. She better start sharing the wealth there!

60 BignJames  10/23/07 1:29:34 am reply quote 0

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61 Da_Beerfreak  10/23/07 1:29:42 am reply quote 2

There's no such thing as a "Nanny State".
Nanny State is a polite(non-scary) term for a Police State.
Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
// 2¢

62 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:34:07 am reply quote 2

re: #61 Da_Beerfreak

There's no such thing as a "Nanny State".
Nanny State is a polite(non-scary) term for a Police State.
Don't be fooled into thinking otherwise.
// 2¢

I agree with you.

63 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:37:50 am reply quote 0

re: #60 BignJames

re: #59 galloping granny

She's just good.

Now that is some smoking gun there. Her "advisor" also happened to be the legal counsel for Arkansas' biggest employer, Tyson Foods, and hubby Bill just happened to be Governor at the time. "Just friends" though. . . . sure, and I have a bridge in Brooklyn for sale. Give me a call!

I wonder how many of the people named in that report also appear in the list of Renters of the Lincoln Bedroom?

64 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 1:38:02 am reply quote 0

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65 BignJames  10/23/07 1:40:51 am reply quote 0

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66 littleoldlady  10/23/07 1:42:26 am reply quote 0

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

67 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:42:40 am reply quote 0

Definitely worth the time to read - I'd give you the money quote but that would spoil your fun:

Dems Cruising In 2008? Not So Fast

Politics: Democrats took control of Congress nearly a year ago, promising to end the war in Iraq, change the way Washington is run and turn the GOP into a distant second choice next year. So far, they're 0 for 3.

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

68 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:43:40 am reply quote 0

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

Sure there is. If you are not muslim, not politically connected and not wealthy.

69 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:44:13 am reply quote 1

Littleoldlady, what the heck are you doing here early? And where is the fruitcup?

70 littleoldlady  10/23/07 1:47:52 am reply quote 0

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71 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:50:44 am reply quote 0

re: #70 littleoldlady

re: #68 galloping granny

Sure there is. If you are not muslim, not politically connected and not wealthy.

You forgot the Mexican lawn mowers.

granny,

? I'm always here at this time.

Unfortunately, not for too long today. I have a sick newsletter that needs caring for.

True, I did forget the Mexican lawn mowers. Oh my, I guess it is much later than I thought it was. No going back to bed for me. Sick newsletter?

72 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 1:52:22 am reply quote 0

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

There's absolutely no doubt that the Hillary relies on "the fix". She stands for nothing without it.

/the pertinent question is will she be allowed to ride it back to the White House?

73 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:54:52 am reply quote 0

Take a peek at this cartoon -

[Link: www.ibdeditorials.com...]

74 littleoldlady  10/23/07 1:56:28 am reply quote 0

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75 galloping granny  10/23/07 1:58:47 am reply quote 0

re: #72 Killian Bundy

re: #66 littleoldlady

HA. There is no such thing as illegal in America anymore.

/get over it

There's absolutely no doubt that the Hillary relies on "the fix". She stands for nothing without it.

/the pertinent question is will she be allowed to ride it back to the White House?

I don't know Killian. All of the sudden there seems to be an awful lot of info coming up about Hillary's prior bad acts, shady dealings and what looks to be outright criminal fund-raising schemes. Sometimes in some pretty liberal-leftie sources too. I'm suspecting she might wind up under the bus.

But then I have noticed for a number of years now that whoever the very front runner is very early on in any election season is the guy who ends up under the bus.

76 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:00:09 am reply quote 2

Good morning, afternoon, evening *everyone*™

Fruitcup is on the buffet ---------------------------->
Help yourselves!

77 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:00:26 am reply quote 0

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78 little blessing  10/23/07 2:03:31 am reply quote 0

HI Everyone.

I'll take two advils with my fruitcup, thanks.

79 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:04:12 am reply quote 0

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80 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:04:31 am reply quote 0

re: #78 little blessing

HI Everyone.

I'll take two advils with my fruitcup, thanks.

Morning little blessing. That sounds ominous.

81 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:07:16 am reply quote 0

re: #77 Killian Bundy

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82 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:09:11 am reply quote 0

re: #79 Killian Bundy

re: #75 galloping granny

Don't ever plan on catching her in a lie.

/what part of illegal cattle futures deal, fifteen years down the road, don't you understand?

Fifteen years ago most people had never heard of the Internet, nobody but the MSM were fact-checking her ass and the documents and repositories littered the country side.

She might have a little tougher time hiding the body this time around.

/Not to mention she has made many enemies since then that she did not have to contend with way back when. Her acceptance of Bill's philandering and subsequent very public, very international humiliation of her turned a huge number of women against her.

I keep hearing some ass-hat Democrat handler yak about how much women just love Hillary and I really wonder what planet he is on. Every time you hear a woman talk about Hillary they bring up the fact that she allowed Bill to set women back 100+ years.

83 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:10:09 am reply quote 0

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84 little blessing  10/23/07 2:11:50 am reply quote 0

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85 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:12:24 am reply quote 0
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You just HAD to remind me, didn't you?

86 Render  10/23/07 2:12:30 am reply quote 0

Am I in time for the fruit cup?

ANY
LEFT?,
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87 Render  10/23/07 2:13:24 am reply quote 1

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88 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:15:10 am reply quote 1

{RENDER!}

Here you go. :-)

89 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:18:13 am reply quote 0

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90 little blessing  10/23/07 2:20:12 am reply quote 0

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91 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:20:42 am reply quote 0

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92 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  10/23/07 2:21:53 am reply quote 0

This is one sick bastard that shouldn't have survived the trip to the police station: Six-year-old guns down grandmother in India

A six-year-old boy accidentally shot dead his grandmother in India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh after being handed a pistol and told it was a toy gun....

The boy took aim and fired at his grandmother and the woman died on the scene after a bullet hit her chest.

“The old man wanted to get rid of his 70-year-old wife because she would pester him on domestic issues and he felt stifled with her presence,” an unnamed police official was quoted....

Mornin folks, Lol, Killian, lb, granny...all.

93 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:23:13 am reply quote 1

re: #89 Killian Bundy

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

Maybe so Killian. But it is early times yet. Nobody has even named a candidate. And most of those polls - the CNN, Fox, NPR, are not scientific polls at all. We see how easily those are manipulated here every time Charles runs one. They mean nothing.

The Zogby poll is built more on a scientifically valid model, but there too something is fishy. The detailed results of the latest Zogby I saw a couple of days ago stated that the results were accurate to 1%. That is extremely low - far to low. The standard is around three times that.

94 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:25:41 am reply quote 0

re: #92 aboo-Hoo-Hoo

This is one sick bastard that shouldn't have survived the trip to the police station: Six-year-old guns down grandmother in India

A six-year-old boy accidentally shot dead his grandmother in India’s northern state of Uttar Pradesh after being handed a pistol and told it was a toy gun....The boy took aim and fired at his grandmother and the woman died on the scene after a bullet hit her chest.

“The old man wanted to get rid of his 70-year-old wife because she would pester him on domestic issues and he felt stifled with her presence,” an unnamed police official was quoted....

Mornin folks, Lol, Killian, lb, granny...all.

A typical "honor" killing - let the kid do it because he'll get off scot-free. Evil SOBs.

95 Shiplord Kirel  10/23/07 2:28:48 am reply quote 0

ACTION ALERT!

Is this art or animal abuse? (Very disturbing, dog-lovers be warned!)
I call it barbarism.

For those who don't want to see for themselves, a Costa Rican "artist" by the name of Guillermo Habacuc Vargas captured a stray dog, tied it up in a pen, starved it to death, and called the process art.
This atrocity was committed in Managua, Nicaragua, rather than in Vargas's native Costa Rica.

Rather than being arrested or lynched, Vargas has been selected to represent Costa Rica at a regional exhibition in Honduras.
There is an online petition to ban him from the event but direct contact with the governments involved might be a lot more effective.
Costa Rican Embassy in Washington D.C. E-mail:consulate@costarica-embassy.org, embassy@costarica.com
Nicaraguan Embassy in Washington D.C. E-mail:embanic_usa@amdyne.net
Honduran Embassy in the United States Telephone: (202) 737-2972/78
E-mail: consul.honduras.dcusa@ verizon.net

Honduran President Manuel Zalaya is a rancher and a noted horseman. This probably won't sit well with him at all.

96 aboo-Hoo-Hoo  10/23/07 2:29:04 am reply quote 0

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97 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:29:23 am reply quote 0

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98 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:29:55 am reply quote 1

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99 Render  10/23/07 2:30:09 am reply quote 0

Just how accurate are polls anyway?

[Link: www.google.com...]

More or less accurate than Carol Herman?

:) Outahere!

SLIDING
SCALES,
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100 Carl in Jerusalem  10/23/07 2:30:59 am reply quote 0

Good Morning Dead Thread!

Olmert told Sarcozy yesterday that the time for sanctions against Iran has passed.

101 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:32:16 am reply quote 0

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102 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:32:59 am reply quote 0

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103 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:34:04 am reply quote 0

re: #97 littleoldlady

re: #89 Killian Bundy

re: #82 galloping granny

Whistling past the graveyard.

/Republicans can either get organized or get lost, we're already well behind the curve

The Republicans can either pick Rudy who actually has a chance of winning, or somebody else who embodies "conservative values". Personally, I think it's very unrealistic to expect a true conservative to get elected in this country.

#89 Killian Bundy - Rudy has the lowest point differential, right?

And since I'm still registered as a Democrat (local issues) I don't have a say in the primaries.

I agree with you littleoldlady. Though I wouldn't judge anything by those apparent point differentials. Polls can be every bit as slanted as news reports and all too often are. But yes, we need to pick and choose our battles very carefully this time. If we don't our very country might be lost.

Read here from Mark Steyn -

The 'cold civil war' in the U.S.

The common space required for civil debate has shrivelled to a very thin sliver of ground

[Link: www.macleans.ca...]

104 littleoldlady  10/23/07 2:35:29 am reply quote 0

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105 Killian Bundy  10/23/07 2:38:22 am reply quote 0

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106 chicagodudewhotrades  10/23/07 2:38:27 am reply quote 0

Good morning everyone,

I'm working a Mini DJIA futures trade, so i'm up and awake.I just checked the lounge and no one was there, so I guess this is where the cool kids hang out?

107 galloping granny  10/23/07 2:39:59 am reply quote 0