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About Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats

Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 11:59:48 am PDT

Here are just a few of the reasons I have deep misgivings about the Belgian Vlaams Belang party, successor to the banned Vlaams Blok, and their participation in the European anti-Islamization movement; thanks to LGF readers for pointing out these links.

Exhibit 1: in 2005, Vlaams Belang MPs shunned a resolution condemning the Nazi death camps.

BRUSSELS – The three members of the European Parliament from Belgium’s extreme right Vlaams Belang party abstained from Thursday’s vote commemorating the 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland.

The EU’s legislative body adopted a resolution condemning the concentration and extermination camps built by the Nazis as “among the most shameful and painful pages of the history of our continent.”

It goes on to express concern about Jews in Europe experiencing a “heightened sense of security” due to anti-Semitism and calls for recognising the Holocaust formally across Europe every day on 27 January, the anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz. The resolution was adopted by 617 votes to 0 with 10 abstentions, including the trio of Vlaams Belang deputies.

Frank Vanhecke, the party’s president, said he feared that the resolution would be used against parties who “fight for European values and European peoples,” Belgian newspaper La Derniere Heure reported.

Exhibit 2: a White Power flag at a Vlaams Belang rally this month. The other flags are Flemish nationalist flags, and the one partly visible behind the White Power flag is typically used by Vlaams Belang.

Exhibit 3: As mentioned above, the predecessor to Vlaams Belang, Vlaams Blok, was outlawed in 2004. Their comeback as Vlaams Belang was applauded in 2005 by David Duke and the neo-Nazi skinheads at Stormfront. (The link goes to a Google redirect page, not directly to the Stormfront hate hole. If you search Stormfront for “Vlaams Belang,” you’ll find articles and videos by the dozen.)

Exhibit 4: we don’t only find support for Vlaams Belang at Stormfront. Here’s a post at the “Pan Aryan National Front,” with links to many VB videos. (Also goes to a Google redirect page.)

Please note: There’s a lot more of this kind of stuff out there.

As for the other party I identified as problematic for the anti-jihad movement in this post, Sverigedemokraterna (Sweden Democrats), the web site expo.se has a gallery of photos of their links to neo-Nazis, including this image from 1996:

Here’s a translation of the caption, from LGF reader “Truumax:”

“Tina Hallgren Bengtsson, member of city council for the Sweden Democrats in the city of Hoor, in full nazi regalia. During this time it was still common for people to attend in uniform during Sweden Democrat gatherings. New party leader Mikael Jansson grew tired and banned the use of uniforms. The following message was to be read in the Sweden Democrats internal news bulletin: ‘The Sweden Democrats have gotten a bad reputation on account of certain ‘Hollywood nazis’ and other people in uniform-like apparel joining the Engelbrekt march. [...] People of such weak conviction that they feel the need to dress in this manner and thus ridiculing the party are advised to stay at home.’ Out of caution, this message was repeated in the internal bulletin for several years.”

If you research these groups, it’s impossible to miss these disturbing connections.

LGF is as anti-jihad as anyone on the web; but I do not accept that we’ve reached the point where we should embrace these kinds of people as allies, simply because they’re hitching a ride on the bandwagon and saying the right things when the spotlight is on them.

I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

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1 JamesTKirk  10/24/07 12:01:53 pm reply quote 0

What the heil?

2 Lucius Septimius  10/24/07 12:02:38 pm reply quote 4

Dadgummit, this comes up just as I have to leave.

Charles: Thank you for posting this.

3 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:02:56 pm reply quote 3

I had friend go off and join the National Alliance.

We're not friends anymore.

4 looking closely  10/24/07 12:02:58 pm reply quote 13

The (Neo)-Nazis and the Islamists are cut from the same cloth anyway.

We don't need either of them.

5 Rogue198  10/24/07 12:03:48 pm reply quote 0

Damn Right Charles!

We're not the Left, "Enemy of my Enemy is my friend" is true in some cases (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan) but more often then not it means you're sharing a bed with something slimy and stinky.

6 Ben Hur  10/24/07 12:04:17 pm reply quote 0

Great.

Another flem clearing thread.

Will Pamela respond?

7 Killgore Trout  10/24/07 12:05:12 pm reply quote 15
I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Good for you! I find it troubling that there are those who feel the need to support these groups. European politics is complicated and strange but it's clear that they're Nazis. NEVER AGAIN!

8 purplemonkeydishwasher  10/24/07 12:05:16 pm reply quote 2

God Bless America, you putzy schnauzers!

9 debutaunt  10/24/07 12:05:18 pm reply quote 3

It's crucial to open this stuff up to the light so we are sure who is on which side.

10 bulwrk  10/24/07 12:05:40 pm reply quote 1

The Sweden Democrats have gotten a bad reputation on account of certain ”Hollywood nazis“


sean penn?

11 Defeater of Defeatism  10/24/07 12:06:06 pm reply quote 0

"Dutch Vlaams Belang party"? Dutch-speaking perhaps. They're Belgian, or more specifically, Flemish. But Dutch, not so much.

Will add additional thoughts later on (being a Dutch citizen residing in Belgium and all).

12 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  10/24/07 12:06:54 pm reply quote 0

Well, having read this and Pamela "Atlas" Geller's side of the story, I'm just more confused than ever.

13 Charles  10/24/07 12:07:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #11 Defeater of Defeatism

"Dutch Vlaams Belang party"? Dutch-speaking perhaps. They're Belgian, or more specifically, Flemish. But Dutch, not so much.

Will add additional thoughts later on (being a Dutch citizen residing in Belgium and all).

Thanks. Typo corrected.

14 Dekar  10/24/07 12:07:58 pm reply quote 0

Democratic and Republican parties and their equivalents in other countries always have a certain stigma. If only there was a "Good Common Sense party"... which I believe at this time fairs slightly to the Conservative side... although not 100% as I want it to be.

15 MrAndMrsSmith  10/24/07 12:08:14 pm reply quote 2

Charles,

Likewise, we concur that just because they call themselves our "allies," doesn't mean that there aren't some serious problems with those people. After all, the WH keeps claiming that the Saudis are our friends despiute the evidence showing that they support Wahhabist beliefs and Islamicist rhetoric.

If the Swedish Democrats really do embrace Nazi ideology (as it appears to do), then can we seriously trust these people? After all, the Islamofascists don't simply want us dead, but they want Israel gone, as well. Must we need constant reminders that there are those that still hate the Jews, and that they'll ally themselves with whomever shares that ideology? Does no one remember al-Husayni, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem who collaborated with the Nazis to hunt down Jews that had fled Germany?

16 Yank in the EU  10/24/07 12:08:16 pm reply quote 2

In this article Dewinter elucidates that his party's roots are in the Flemish Nazi Collaborators, as well as support for Haider, Le Pen and the NPD, which are all worse than those photographs. [Link: www.filipdewinter.be...]

Still there are some respected and decent people in the Vlaams Belang, especially Paul Belien and Alexandra Colen, his wife. They insist that Dewinter and the VB have dramatically changed their positions from the 1990s, are not racist, and are concerned mainly with saving their civilization from Islamism. For now, my stance is to continue to support their fight, but to be very circumspect with joining ranks with Dewinter.

17 debutaunt  10/24/07 12:08:29 pm reply quote 1

re:

18 hayseed  10/24/07 12:08:46 pm reply quote 6

Charles some of the white power groups hate Islam and some embrace the fact that some Muslims hate Jews and want to partner with them.

19 QueeQueeg  10/24/07 12:08:58 pm reply quote 1

Nice one Charles, those people are opportunist totalitarian asshats just like the BNP. Keep them the hell away from the mainstream anti jihad movement.

Not that it will stop your enemies calling you a Nazi. But hey, they do that to anybody right of John Edwards.

20 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:09:01 pm reply quote 1

re: #10 bulwrk

The Sweden Democrats have gotten a bad reputation on account of certain ”Hollywood nazis“


sean penn?

This may be an urban legend but during WWII some Swedish politician supposedly said that "if the Germans win, we're Aryans, if the Allies win, we're Democrats."

21 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:09:56 pm reply quote 0

I feel dirty just reading and looking at that nasty shit.

22 ted  10/24/07 12:10:11 pm reply quote 3

Very Damning...I have to agree Charles...This seems like nothing more than a group of Neo-Nazis trying to co-opt the Anti-Islamists.

23 Ben Hur  10/24/07 12:10:53 pm reply quote 0

I'm surprised these groups don't embrace Islamofascism.

It would give legitimacy and cover to their hatred.

They'd be promoted disporportionately promoted in society, not banned like they are now.

24 Ben Hur  10/24/07 12:11:20 pm reply quote 0

Can I say promoted any more times?

Promoted.

Apparently, yes.

25 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:12:06 pm reply quote 0

I'm reminded of the Marine I dated in college. His father's family was Flemish and his grandfather was Nazi before Nazi was cool. His mother's family was Waloon, and were partisans.

26 MrAndMrsSmith  10/24/07 12:12:12 pm reply quote 5

Re: #21 Mandy Manners

Some people in this world take the words "Never Again" to heart, and do their best to remember the evils of the past so we never do see them happen again.

Others pay the term lip service in an effort to show people their faux compassion, and then ignore the lessons of history.

You sound like the wife and I, who put ourselves firmly in the former rather than the latter. We should remember these lessons so this sort of abhorrant and detestable behavior never occurs again.

27 Capt_Faust  10/24/07 12:12:15 pm reply quote 0

"Illinois Nazis...

I Hate Illinois Nazis..."

28 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/24/07 12:13:05 pm reply quote 5

There are people who hate democratic, liberal, Western civilization just as much as the Islamists do. They see the looming showdown as their chance to remake the world in their image, and they will certainly try to pose as our allies. There are times and places for making wary alliances with people almost as bad as the enemy (FDR and Churchill &#9829 Stalin), but not if the cost is destroying the thing you are trying to save.

He who would dine with the Devil had better use a very long spoon.

29 Rednek  10/24/07 12:13:15 pm reply quote 0

Yes. Don't embrace Fascism-Fascism just because they oppose Islamo-Fascism.

30 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:13:17 pm reply quote 2

re: #22 ted

Very Damning...I have to agree Charles...This seems like nothing more than a group of Neo-Nazis trying to co-opt the Anti-Islamists.

I'm sorry to say that the Neo-Nazis made a major effort to co-opt the patriot militias that popped up during the Clinton Administration.

That's where I lost a friend.

31 waveslidin  10/24/07 12:13:21 pm reply quote 8

I've said it before and I will say it again, thank you Charles! Thank you for what you believe in and how you stand for it. What a voice of reason in such a crazy world.

32 uptight  10/24/07 12:13:26 pm reply quote 1

European Nazis are anti-Islam simply because they think they can use this as a populist rallying cry.

American Nazis (like Duke) are pro-Islam because they see a common ally in their paranoid hatred of the Jews.

If there were more Jews in Europe, Vlaams would probably be allied to to Islamism.

33 Pawn of the Oppressor  10/24/07 12:13:38 pm reply quote 5

I hate Illinois Belgian Nazis.

Somebody needs to tell these asshats that the uniforms only looked good on crowds of soldiers. When you stand there like an idiot alone in front of a Nazi flag, you just look like Jane Fonda.

34 debutaunt  10/24/07 12:13:51 pm reply quote 0

#24 Ben Hur 10/24/07 12:11:20 pm reply quote report 0

Can I say promoted any more times?

Promoted.

Apparently, yes.


But not banned like they are now... re:

35 Bill K.  10/24/07 12:14:55 pm reply quote 0

I thought the Nazis and the Arabs/Islamists were and still are natural allies because of their hatred of the Jews.

That anyone would propose an alliance with the neo-Nazis, for any reason whatsoever, is off their fucking rocker.

36 Gordon Marock  10/24/07 12:14:56 pm reply quote 1

Well said, Charles. This is what separates people of principle from dissemblers who cannot bring themselves to criticize an extremist simply because they are a fellow Muslim. Granted, some refuse to criticize out of fear for their personal safety, but many refuse because they sympathize with the extremist viewpoint.

37 ted  10/24/07 12:15:03 pm reply quote 0

OT:
Cndi doesn't notice the 500 pound pile of elephant dung in the room.

Rice: Mideast peace in jeopardy

By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press Writer 1 hour, 1 minute ago

WASHINGTON - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said Wednesday that a "two-state solution" in the Middle East was in jeopardy and described a narrow window of opportunity to push Israel and the Palestinians toward peace.

In a House hearing interrupted by anti-war protesters, Rice said an upcoming peace conference in Annapolis, Md., is needed to give hope to moderate Palestinian forces. She blamed Iran for fanning flames in the region, including what she called "troubling" new support for Hamas militants.

"Our concern is growing that without a serious political prospect for the Palestinians that gives to moderate leaders a horizon that they can show to their people that indeed there is a two-state solution that is possible, we will lose the window for a two-state solution," Rice said.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

38 mama winger  10/24/07 12:15:45 pm reply quote 1
I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Good on ya, Charles. I wouldn't trust half the stuff I see coming out of Sweden. I'm sorry but the history of that country is abhorrent.

39 Ben Hur  10/24/07 12:15:46 pm reply quote 0

re:

40 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:15:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #27 Capt_Faust

"Illinois Nazis...

I Hate Illinois Nazis..."

Yes. Got the reference.

Of course there's one thing I despise more than an Illinois Nazi...

41 Gordon Marock  10/24/07 12:16:03 pm reply quote 0

By the way, I hate Islamic Nazis just as much as I hate Illinois Nazis.

42 Dr. Shalit  10/24/07 12:16:20 pm reply quote 0

Charles -

This IS a tough one, much like allying with Stalin in WWII. It is good to know this as things progress. Question is - where are the "Good Guy Good Guys?"

-S-

43 Ghengis Khan  10/24/07 12:16:22 pm reply quote 2

We are always stuck trying to balance delicately in the middle. It seems too easy to go overboard in either direction, abandoning all reason for madness.

44 Know Your Enemy  10/24/07 12:16:25 pm reply quote 0

What's a "Hollywood Nazi?"

Is it an idiot just acting like or pretending to be a Nazi, or does he mean a Nazi from Hollywood?

I don't get it.

45 Truumax  10/24/07 12:16:47 pm reply quote 2

Hey Charles, I was the one who translated that article.

46 macoishin  10/24/07 12:17:02 pm reply quote 6

Great post Charles. Mark Steyn took a fair amount of abuse last year for predicting, in "America Alone", that Europe's predeliction for bloodshed would re-emerge as unsavory parties form the vanguard of an anti-jihad movement. Specifically he cited Serbian atrocities such as the Srebenica massacre as an example of what the continental far-right would do when it finally responded to the growth of Eurabia.
His detractors on the Left naturally thought that he approved of violence and bloodshed in the name of his political cause, because that is exactly how they think. It is important to say, as he did then and as you are now, that we oppose creeping sharia and the obliteration of Western culture, but we also oppose violence and white supremacy.

47 ibrodsky  10/24/07 12:17:51 pm reply quote 0

re: #28 Dead Sea Squirrel

There are people who hate democratic, liberal, Western civilization just as much as the Islamists do. They see the looming showdown as their chance to remake the world in their image, and they will certainly try to pose as our allies. There are times and places for making wary alliances with people almost as bad as the enemy (FDR and Churchill ♥ Stalin), but not if the cost is destroying the thing you are trying to save.

He who would dine with the Devil had better use a very long spoon.

Well said.

48 Ward Cleaver  10/24/07 12:17:58 pm reply quote 7

After seeing this evidence, I am extremely disappointed that the "LGF and CAIR" thread is still up over at Pamela's blog. It is totally counterproductive to our cause to have any association with groups that have neo-Nazi backgrounds or ties.

49 Gordon Marock  10/24/07 12:18:14 pm reply quote 0

re: #44 Know Your Enemy

What's a "Hollywood Nazi?"

Is it an idiot just acting like or pretending to be a Nazi, or does he mean a Nazi from Hollywood?

I don't get it.

I think he means people who are willing to dress up as a stromtrooper for show, but wimp out when it is time to deface some Jewish cemetaries.

50 J.S.  10/24/07 12:18:40 pm reply quote 0

Exactly right, Charles. Why trade one form of fascism for another?

51 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:18:42 pm reply quote 0

re: #26 MrAndMrsSmith

Re: #21 Mandy Manners

Some people in this world take the words "Never Again" to heart, and do their best to remember the evils of the past so we never do see them happen again.

Others pay the term lip service in an effort to show people their faux compassion, and then ignore the lessons of history.

You sound like the wife and I, who put ourselves firmly in the former rather than the latter. We should remember these lessons so this sort of abhorrant and detestable behavior never occurs again.

I'm passing on what I know and learn to The Kid.

52 ted  10/24/07 12:18:43 pm reply quote 1

re:

53 Spenser (with an S)  10/24/07 12:18:51 pm reply quote 1

re:

54 Ringo the Gringo  10/24/07 12:18:53 pm reply quote 3

As I said today in an earlier post : For an anti-jihad movement to catch on in Europe it must include people from the groups that would be most threatened: religious Christians, Jews, homosexuals, artists, atheists, Muslim apostates, advocates of womens rights and non-Muslim immigrants who appreciate Western values.

A coalition such as this would not be attractive to any group that is truly racist even if they do share some common goals.

Also, a broad coalition would be hard for the Left (though they will try) to dismiss as simply rightwing racists

55 Thanos  10/24/07 12:19:26 pm reply quote 5

Thanks Charles, this is the right thing to do.

also if folks surf the end of the "when friends attack" thread yesterday, about the last 300 comments are very educational.

56 Ben Hur  10/24/07 12:19:27 pm reply quote 2

The fact the KOS and Stormfront hate us means we're right where we need to be.

57 ted  10/24/07 12:19:32 pm reply quote -1

re: #38 mama winger

I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Good on ya, Charles. I wouldn't trust half the stuff I see coming out of Sweden. I'm sorry but the history of that country is abhorrent.

Exactly true.

58 Occasional Reader  10/24/07 12:19:33 pm reply quote 1
Their comeback as Vlaams Belang was applauded in 2005 by David Duke and the neo-Nazi skinheads at Stormfront.

Well, those same people also applauded Cindy Sheehan. Therefore, Vlaams Belang must be "progressive".

/need I?

This is a perfect demonstration of the political suicide phenomenon in much of Western Europe. When any reasonable questions about immigration are banished from "respectable" political debate, they simply get pushed to the fringe-right parties, and give strength to these creeps.

59 Elmira Viking  10/24/07 12:19:47 pm reply quote 4

LGF is as anti-jihad as anyone on the web; but I do not accept that we’ve reached the point where we should accept these kinds of people as allies, simply because they’re hitching a ride on the bandwagon and saying the right things when the spotlight is on them.

Right on, man ! Well said.

60 Know Your Enemy  10/24/07 12:20:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #49 Gordon Marock

re: #44 Know Your Enemy


What's a "Hollywood Nazi?"

Is it an idiot just acting like or pretending to be a Nazi, or does he mean a Nazi from Hollywood?

I don't get it.


I think he means people who are willing to dress up as a stromtrooper for show, but wimp out when it is time to deface some Jewish cemetaries.

So they're looking for more committed Nazis?

61 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:20:43 pm reply quote 0

re: #32 uptight

European Nazis are anti-Islam simply because they think they can use this as a populist rallying cry.

American Nazis (like Duke) are pro-Islam because they see a common ally in their paranoid hatred of the Jews.

If there were more Jews in Europe, Vlaams would probably be allied to to Islamism.

I guarantee you that they back the Jordyptians.

62 MrAndMrsSmith  10/24/07 12:21:11 pm reply quote 1

Re: #42 Dr. Shalit

We can debate whether we "needed" Stalin in World War II to help defeat Germany, but the fact remains that Hitler made that possible only because he turned on Stalin, and invaded Russia. By default, Stalin came to the Allies side.

The problem with Stalin came at Yalta where Europe was basically carved up by the Allies.

If we are to have such alliances, then it's best we keep a close eye on those nations who pay us virtual lip service -- like Saudi Arabia -- as they continue to undermine us with their "clandestine" activities. Not that we don't know what the Saudis are doing, and not as though we don't know what these supposed "democrats" in Sweden stand for.

63 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:21:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #54 Ringo the Gringo

Also, a broad coalition would be hard for the Left (though they will try) to dismiss as simply rightwing racists


Wouldn't stop them at all.

Anyone who still believes in the Gospel According to Marx will believe anything.

64 Charles  10/24/07 12:21:27 pm reply quote 3

re: #45 Truumax

Hey Charles, I was the one who translated that article.

Sorry, looked at the wrong comment. You have the credit now.

65 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:21:30 pm reply quote 0

re: #33 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hate Illinois Belgian Nazis.

Somebody needs to tell these asshats that the uniforms only looked good on crowds of soldiers. When you stand there like an idiot alone in front of a Nazi flag, you just look like Jane Fonda.

Do these stormtrooper pants make my butt look big?

66 QueeQueeg  10/24/07 12:21:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #32 uptight

European Nazis are anti-Islam simply because they think they can use this as a populist rallying cry.

Spot on, this is exactly what the BNP have done in the UK. They now pretend not to be raving antisemites with a fetish for jackboots and switched from using the word 'Paki' to anti Islamic rhetoric.

67 Gordon Marock  10/24/07 12:22:44 pm reply quote 0

re:

68 Ghengis Khan  10/24/07 12:23:00 pm reply quote 0

Why would anyone want to join an ideology that got thoroughly trounced by the allies in WW2? We beat the snot out of the Nazi's. What power is even there to be attractive anymore? I mean I can kind of understand when they were rising in power, they felt like they could take on the world. But now all they can do is paint things on walls and shoot a few people... People are messed up...

69 Thor-Zone  10/24/07 12:23:04 pm reply quote 0

Charles said in the post....

I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

I am right there with you Charles, and I totally agree that we do not need people like these as allies. This is the same mistake the nutroot left makes every day.

Our opposition seem to support and endless parade of assclowns that actually want to do harm the the us. They go with the "enemy of my enemy is my friend" thing a little too much. I for one am very happy that we do not seem to be going down that road.

70 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:23:07 pm reply quote 0

re: #65 MandyManners

re: #33 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hate Illinois Belgian Nazis.

Somebody needs to tell these asshats that the uniforms only looked good on crowds of soldiers. When you stand there like an idiot alone in front of a Nazi flag, you just look like Jane Fonda.

Do these stormtrooper pants make my butt look big?

Yes!

71 MrAndMrsSmith  10/24/07 12:23:31 pm reply quote 0

Re: #51 Mandy Manners

That is the ONLY way we can try to prevent a repeat of history; to let future generatiuons know the eviul that has come, and gone, and will hopefully remained buried in the compost heap of history where it belongs.

72 Spenser (with an S)  10/24/07 12:23:44 pm reply quote 1

re:

73 Truumax  10/24/07 12:23:45 pm reply quote 1

re:

74 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:23:52 pm reply quote 0

re: #27 Capt_Faust

"Illinois Nazis...

I Hate Illinois Nazis..."

From my research years ago, at the time that they wanted to march in Skokie, 27 per cent of the population were Holocaust survivors.

75 ZionistYoungster  10/24/07 12:24:33 pm reply quote 7

Leftists, "Progressives" feel they can ally themselves with Hamas and Hizbullah without any qualms, on account of Machiavellian convenience. I think we are not like them.

Rule of thumb for me: Anyone who thinks blacks are inferior to whites is X'ed off my list of allies.

76 jcm  10/24/07 12:24:37 pm reply quote 3

When you abandon reason to irrational hated, you can no longer think straight. It get hard to distinguish friend from foe. He might be my friend but he is..... even though there may be much in common because he is...... I can't work with him. Hatred blinds one to the larger, more important realities.

However when you adhere to core principles; LIFE, LIBERTY, PROPERTY, it is very easy to determine friends. Do they stand for the core principles? Who give a rip about the rest?

77 Diamond Bullet  10/24/07 12:24:41 pm reply quote 2
I’m in this fight because I believe in personal freedom and liberty, and these links and photographs raise more than warning signs to me. They raise the hairs on the back of my neck.

Bingo.

78 coquimbojoe  10/24/07 12:24:43 pm reply quote 4

The fascist ideology is what we are fighting against. We should not embrace other fascists just because they agree with us in some areas. Fascism is abhorrent, where ever it comes from.

The left loves to embrace any fellow traveler, we cannot afford that kind of luxury/stupidity.

79 Gordon Marock  10/24/07 12:25:36 pm reply quote 0

re: #68 Ghengis Khan

Why would anyone want to join an ideology that got thoroughly trounced by the allies in WW2? We beat the snot out of the Nazi's. What power is even there to be attractive anymore? I mean I can kind of understand when they were rising in power, they felt like they could take on the world. But now all they can do is paint things on walls and shoot a few people... People are messed up...

The same reason for joining any failed ideology. If you are a loser and can't think for yourself and can't win friends, it is very attractive to join a group that will call you a brother as long as you parrot a few slogans.

80 TalkinKamel  10/24/07 12:25:46 pm reply quote 0

#78 coquimbojoe

You are absolutely right---we can't.

81 Ghengis Khan  10/24/07 12:26:28 pm reply quote 0

re:

82 Know Your Enemy  10/24/07 12:26:43 pm reply quote 0

re:

83 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:27:09 pm reply quote 0

re: #70 The Other Les

re: #65 MandyManners


re: #33 Pawn of the Oppressor

I hate Illinois Belgian Nazis.

Somebody needs to tell these asshats that the uniforms only looked good on crowds of soldiers. When you stand there like an idiot alone in front of a Nazi flag, you just look like Jane Fonda.


Do these stormtrooper pants make my butt look big?

Yes!

[runs crying into the bunker]

84 lawhawk  10/24/07 12:27:09 pm reply quote 0

A little due diligence goes a long way.

85 Truumax  10/24/07 12:27:34 pm reply quote 0

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86 Thanos  10/24/07 12:27:45 pm reply quote 18

Understand that Charles is taking a very large stand with this post. There are others out there in Blog land on the right who are saying we should forgive the past etc.

Support your lizard master, he might need it.

87 mama winger  10/24/07 12:27:51 pm reply quote 0

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88 MandyManners  10/24/07 12:27:52 pm reply quote 0

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Re: #51 Mandy Manners

That is the ONLY way we can try to prevent a repeat of history; to let future generatiuons know the eviul that has come, and gone, and will hopefully remained buried in the compost heap of history where it belongs.

I wish it would remain buried but, evil has a way of popping up again.

89 BrianA  10/24/07 12:28:02 pm reply quote 0

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The fact the KOS and Stormfront hate us means we're right where we need to be.

True enough for us Americans. For the Euros, there seems to be very little room left in the middle. Its a loose-loose situation.

90 Ghengis Khan  10/24/07 12:28:04 pm reply quote 0

Are there any history theorists or WW2 buffs out there? Would we have been able to handle the war without the aid of the USSR?
I'm not saying anything by this, I am just curious what people who study it think.

91 Thanos  10/24/07 12:28:04 pm reply quote 0

I have to get back to my call now :(

92 Killgore Trout  10/24/07 12:28:05 pm reply quote 5

Although I'm still a little concerned about the backlash from other Anti-jihad bloggers that this post will cause I'm thrilled with the almost universal denunciation of these extremist groups here on LGF.

93 jayzee  10/24/07 12:28:10 pm reply quote 0

Amen Charles. I can't help but notice the irony however that here in the US, the Nazis have aligned themselves increasingly with the loony left troofers and the Islamists. Guess our home grown Nazis view Jews as more of an immediate threat than their buddies in Europe do. Like the French, they'll take their allies where they can find them.

94 Boondock St. Bender  10/24/07 12:28:12 pm reply quote 4

Once again Charles does us all proud by pointing out that the enemy of my enemy is not nessesarily my friend.(I'm sure though that the ass-hats who call us facsists won't be changing their favorite mantra anytime soon)

95 debutaunt  10/24/07 12:28:59 pm reply quote 0

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96 JammieWearingFool  10/24/07 12:29:04 pm reply quote 4

Definitely don't want to be associated with these creeps.

97 Boondock St. Bender  10/24/07 12:29:16 pm reply quote 0

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98 Yank in the EU  10/24/07 12:29:25 pm reply quote 1

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A little due diligence goes a long way.

Amen to that. This is a clear, well done post.

99 The Other Les  10/24/07 12:29:32 pm reply quote 0

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re: #33 Pawn of the Oppressor


I hate Illinois Belgian Nazis.Somebody needs to tell these asshats that the uniforms only looked good on crowds of soldiers. When you stand there like an idiot alone in front of a Nazi flag, you just look like Jane Fonda.


Do these stormtrooper pants make my butt look big?


Yes!

[runs crying into the bunker]

[grins]

100 Know Your Enemy  10/24/07 12:29:55 pm reply quote 0

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101 ibrodsky  10/24/07 12:30:05 pm reply quote 2

I hate when causes such as ours suffer splits, but I fear that is about to happen.

102 MrAndMrsSmith  10/24/07 12:30:15 pm reply quote 0

Re: #79 Gordon

The same reason for joining any failed ideology. If you are a loser and can't think for yourself and can't win friends, it is very attractive to join a group that will call you a brother as long as you parrot a few slogans.

Nicely put, and it is precisely the sort of mindset that the Nazis used to exploit the weak-minded. I recall what I read about the Nazi Youth, and how they preached and peddled inclusion in a greater cause than one's self; what it meant to belong to something other than what the Nazi's deemed as petty self-interests. Yet, what was it that Hitler promoted? His OWN petty self-interests. And in the name of what? His own ideological beliefs and prejudice against the Jews, and against those he believed had wronged Germany.

We could go rounds on whether or not the Treaty of Versailles was unfair, and whether it led directly to the root causes of World War II, but in the end, it was one man who exploited the people of his nation for the goal of world domination and the extermination of one people.

103 Ezekiel2517  10/24/07 12:30:18 pm reply quote 1

I know I've said that a broken clock is right twice a day, but I strongly agree with others here who have pointed out that we don't need to ally ourselves with the likes of these people in order to win the fight against Islamo-Fascism.

104 Occasional Reader  10/24/07 12:30:57 pm reply quote 0

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108 Know Your Enemy  10/24/07 12:32:29 pm reply quote 0

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Why would anyone want to join an ideology that got thoroughly trounced by the allies in WW2? We beat the snot out of the Nazi's. What power is even there to be attractive anymore? I mean I can kind of understand when they were rising in power, they felt like they could take on the world. But now all they can do is paint things on walls and shoot a few people... People are messed up...

The same reason for joining any failed ideology. If you are a loser and can't think for yourself and can't win friends, it is very attractive to join a group that will call you a brother as long as you parrot a few slogans.

Someone's been reading the recruiting playbook for the Nation of Islam.

109 mama winger  10/24/07 12:32:33 pm reply quote 0

We have to teach our young people the lessons of history so they do not succumb to these evil teachings that seem to get recycled periodically, or that never were really dead to begin with. Teach your children.

110 uptight  10/24/07 12:32:41 pm reply quote 2

Sadly in Europe the Nationalist groups are the only ones making a stand against Islamism (albeit for the wrong reasons).

Liberals - pardon my language - need to wake the fuck up.

The cause against islamism is a Liberal cause. It is a cause against totalitarianism, misogyny, homophobia, the stiffling of democracy, free speech and a free press.

Liberals are too obsessed with Bush to notice this because they are obsessed with Bush. So obsessed that they are actually helping the cause of Islamofascism.

So either way fascists win.

111 Occasional Reader  10/24/07 12:32:42 pm reply quote 0

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115 ZionistYoungster  10/24/07 12:33:37 pm reply quote 2

"Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for the home-born; for I am the LORD your God." - Leviticus 24:24, probably the most explicitly anti-racist law in the Torah. Anti-multiculturalist, too (which amounts to the same thing--multiculturalism is just "reverse" racism).