Why was it removed at Drudge?

Probably a C&D.

I prefer:

Shattered Glass 2: The Truth in Shards

Hate and truth...as water to oil.

Links aren't working for me.

or me...Firefox

I can't access the pdf's.

Scott Beauchamp Document Dump

"Dump" is certainly the right word.

Wait, nevermind.

Charles, the pdf's are missing.

Stopping Hillary from the left

A newly formed political action committee is aiming to stop Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary by calling into question her progressive credentials.

"We think there are other Democratic presidential candidates who are both more progressive and have a better chance of beating the Republicans than she does," said the president of Democratic Courage, Glenn Hurowitz.

Thank you...do more! [Link: www.politico.com...]

I can't get them either.

Err, nevermind my previous "nevermind".

I get "server not found"

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?

How about, Shattered Glass 2: Shock Truth?

How about

Shattered Reputation

or

Shattered Ass

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

Me, too.

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

The latter, Zombie.

ROFL

links no worky for me

re: #17 storagemanager

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

LOL

Add a .com to the url

Firefox users, right click and say "open in new tab" - worked for me.

Make...them...blink!

Make...them...blink!

Can't open
IE 7

Typo in the URLs, sorry about that. It's fixed now.

Hmm, it seems the Zionist conspiracy broke the links.

re: #15 zombie

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?How about, Shattered Glass 2: Shock Truth?

How about

Shattered Reputation

or

Shattered Ass

#2

Working now

Using irreverent humor to blast the politicizing of California's wildfires, radio giant Rush Limbaugh today adopted some anti-war war logic to call for the firefighters to be brought home.

"I think it's time to bring the firefighters home. I think it's time to bring the firefighters out of there – it's just too dangerous," Limbaugh said on his top-rated program, noting the front-line responders were in grave danger. "They're in there on a false premise anyway, that they can put out the fire. We can't win against the fire, folks, just like we can't win in Iraq. So if the liberals want to politicize this, then I ask them to be consistent and admit defeat to the fire, admit we can't beat the fire and get these brave firefighters out of there ... ."

Limbaugh continued comparing the battle with the blazes to waging the Iraq War, noting, "It's just gonna be back next year anyway. We're putting so many brave people at risk here fighting a fire we can't win. Sound familiar, ladies and gentlemen?"

[Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Nevermind.

re: #25 Charles

Typo in the URLs, sorry about that. It's fixed now.

Thanks.

The links aren't working at a lot of sites - but I went to The Corner and they have the PDF's! The Bagdad Diarist says "I have to say in my layman's reading of the three documents, it doesn't seem to constitute a clear cut "confession."" I guess my layman's reading is a bit different.

I don't wish to sound defeatist but here goes anyway.

How much traction will this actually get? Sadly, I can guarantee you that if I ask 20 people I know about Scott Thomas Beauchamp they won't have a clue of who he is. I'd be lucky if 5 know what the New Republic is.

Don't get me wrong with what I just wrote. I am thrilled that this has come out and hope that the documents are indeed authentic. I want this in all the newspapers across the land. I want it all over the press. Our military is the finest across the globe and for them to be slandered by this person really pisses me off. But the New Republic is not the end-all-be-all and after the Stephen Glass affair their stock has indeed fallen (figuratively if not literally).

Sadly, our fighting forces have been slimed so many times that I don't think this will make much difference. And lets face it, the list is even longer with respect to the war reporting in general. I recall the BS story about the seven Muslims burned alive outside of a mosque around Thanksgiving. Sure, we found the story to be untrue but how many news outlets reported retractions? I don't recall many if any.

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Glad now I got 'em from Drudge.

Here's TNR's latest statement as I just heard it come in over the etherwave lengths: Facts, what facts, we ain't got no stinkin facts. we don't need no stinkin facts, we'is the Glass Factory!

Just downloaded them all.

Damn, that there's a lot of words to wade through. No time!

I leave it to others to sift through it all.

/back to the slave pits.

The Senate today voted down the DREAM Act, a controversial measure that would have paved the way to legal status for thousands of young illegal aliens if they attend college or join the military.

The measure, which was rushed through the Senate just months after the failure of President Bush's comprehensive immigration plan, fell eight votes short of the 60 it needed to proceed.

The DREAM Act, which stands for "Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors Act," would allow illegals who graduate from high school to attain legal status if they complete two years of college or serve at least two years in the military.

In heated Senate debate, Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., called the measure a "slap in the face to all of those who came in legally."

The original sponsor of the bill, Sen. Dick Durbin, D-Ill., argued children of illegals shouldn't be punished for the sins of their parents.

One side has logic and justice....the other...if it feels good...do it. [Link: www.worldnetdaily.com...]

Refresh the page...then they download.

re: #17 storagemanager

re: #14 FrogMarch

I get "server not found"

I had dinner in a place like that.

Me Too.

Not only is this a repeat of Shattered Glass, but it also reeks of the Rathergate "Fake, but Accurate" lead into the inevitable stonewall.

Frankly, to all but the most rabid koolaid drinkers, TNR has less credibility than Beauchamp does at this point. They're jsut hoping that most of the MSM will continue to ignore the story and that it will slide into either a memory hole or they will just discount it as being much to do about nothing by a bunch of partisan bloggers.

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'Pray hard for us, America' I'm an Orange County resident and these are the worst fires I've ever seen. It seems everyone I come across is affected in some way. Some have lost homes, some have lost all their worldly possessions and have nothing left to their name except the clothes on their backs. Some are in shelters, some are stuffed into still existing homes but suffocating from all the smoke and debris in the air. Personally, the fires are all around me, but I do believe my home will be OK as I am in a big urban area and the fires are more centered in the suburban areas. But I feel like I'm choking to death on smoke, fumes, and ash.

Orange County was my home...almost all of my life.... [Link: www.msnbc.msn.com...]

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

I haven't read much but from early in the first document it reads like Beauchamp is using the Mark McGuire defense with additional limitations.

Beauchamp: "So, I sort of decided personally that I'm not really going to discuss with any media outlet at all my military experiences past, present or future. And like, that would include anything I've written. I'm basically saying, like, I basically want it to end."

What a coward.

Bo-chump, another symptom in the disease of the One Worldview Media.

Gotta go, lizards... it's been fascinating as always, but I have to bake 300 scones. *sigh*

Maybe I'll eat the ugly ones, LOL!

Do we know that Drudge removed them? After all, they are now posted at The Corner - hm, maybe I better run a verify and make sure the files are the same?

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RUNNING SPRINGS, Calif. (AP) - Forty hours after he arrived in the San Bernardino National Forest, firefighter Peter Stanton stepped gingerly over a sleeping colleague and wondered what his next assignment was going to be. "We've been going nonstop. I kind of hope they're going to send us to sleep, but I'm pretty sure we're going back out," he said.

Fire crews, tankers and helicopters poured in to Southern California on Wednesday, bringing welcome relief to firefighters exhausted by as many as four straight days of fighting unusually ferocious blazes that were scattered across a huge swath of Southern California.

From mountainside resorts to the shores of Malibu to the Mexican border, about 15 blazes destroyed at least 1,500 homes and threatened tens of thousands of others.

[Link: apnews.myway.com...]

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

I don't wish to sound defeatist but here goes anyway.

How much traction will this actually get? Sadly, I can guarantee you that if I ask 20 people I know about Scott Thomas Beauchamp they won't have a clue of who he is. I'd be lucky if 5 know what the New Republic is.

Don't get me wrong with what I just wrote. I am thrilled that this has come out and hope that the documents are indeed authentic. I want this in all the newspapers across the land. I want it all over the press. Our military is the finest across the globe and for them to be slandered by this person really pisses me off. But the New Republic is not the end-all-be-all and after the Stephen Glass affair their stock has indeed fallen (figuratively if not literally).

Sadly, our fighting forces have been slimed so many times that I don't think this will make much difference. And lets face it, the list is even longer with respect to the war reporting in general. I recall the BS story about the seven Muslims burned alive outside of a mosque around Thanksgiving. Sure, we found the story to be untrue but how many news outlets reported retractions? I don't recall many if any.

Wow.

Me too, then.

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Exerpt from the 3rd PDF, Page 6, Paragraph h:

[. . . "I find that private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exagerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth" . . .]

Hey, what's news about that? . . . so do Media Matters, Harry Reid,
Nancy Pelosi, Moveon.org, KosKidz, et al, of the lying liberal
lunatic left.

/just sayin'

OT and linkage. To wash down the recent round of spats between right-wingers, here's a CounterPunch article complaining of left-wing disunity and failure:

Looking Reality in the Face, by Todd Chretien. Excerpts:

As Socialist Worker has pointed out, the strong antiwar sentiment in the public generally has not been matched by antiwar action. On the contrary, the movement has grown organizationally weaker as the war has gone on, despite the deepening crisis of the occupation.

Maybe it's because not just the ideas, but also the people behind the ideas, are still the same that were in the 1960's.

As Sharon Smith wrote recently, UFPJ's plan to build a "'left-center coalition'...spells disaster for the antiwar movement" if it means making our demands acceptable to pro-war Democrats.

However, UFPJ's main rival, the ANSWER coalition, has pursued policies that are just as damaging.

Heh.

For one, ANSWER now claims that the antiwar movement is in its ascendancy. After the group's national protest on September 15, national coordinator Brian Becker wrote: "100,000 March on Washington! [...]

[...]

This is not a description of reality. By the accounts of people not connected to ANSWER who were at the protest, it was attended by no more than 10,000 to 15,000 people.

As any Zombietime photo essay can confirm.

If you are in an anti-scott mood (or not), it's always good to take a couple of minutes to say thanks to the good guys....

[Link: www.letssaythanks.com...]

I need a break....watch an old movie...see ya.

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When this scandal broke, we weren't happy to see a soldier slandering and maligning his fellow soldiers. The wife took a special exception to this because the little shit-bag was painting with a pretty broad brush, and she believed that brush touched on her brother's honorable service in Afghanistan.

People like Beauchamp are entitled to their opinion, but to do what he did -- to outright write lies, and peddle them to a left-wing rag that isn't even WORTHY of being a cage-liner -- really pissed us off.

What continues to irk the Hell out of us is that the chumps at TNR haven't demanded the resignation of ALL involved in this mess. Foer needs to go. Scoblic goes. His pitiful wife goes.

If TNR wants to repair it's down-the-johnny-flusher rep (like that could EVER happen) there have to be some heads that roll.

BTW, K-Lo at the Corner confirmed through Jonathan Chait (another dunce in this mess) that TNR isn't disputing these documents:

[Link: corner.nationalreview.com...]

"I've read them very quickly — reads to me like a young soldier in way over his head. I've talked to Jonathan Chait at TNR and he doesn't dispute the accuracy of the documents but he does dispute the analysis that was on Drudge.

I have to say in my layman's reading of the three documents, it doesn't seem to constitute a clear cut "confession." Again, reads like a kid who is in way too deep and wants out. Does that mean he was lying all along and doesn't want to continue to? Maybe. But unless I'm misunderstanding — and unless there's more to what he signed that I realize — I wouldn't be comfortable calling it a confession. Yes, it's weird someone wouldn't defend himself if he was telling the truth, once confronted with a military investigatory document indicating his work doesn't check out. But it looks to me these documents just raise more questions. I think we still don't know the full story.

Yeah, and one of them is why these asshats are still employed at TNR.

re: #43 marwan's daughter

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

They were not removed because they weren't genuine, and no one threatened Drudge. I'm not at liberty to reveal anything more than that.

re: #47 rsb1

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The validity of these documents should be proved or disproved fairly quickly. I assume they are legit.

Even if they are legit, why should TNR issue any response? They publish liberal fantasies, and Beauchamp's stories were perfect liberal fantasies. So what is the problem? TNR should ask Beauchamp for more of the same.

re: #60 cookielady

re: #47 rsb1

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probably a lawsuit

Assuming validity (sorry to add a disclaimer, but who wants to pull a Rather when they don't have the resources to check?) - these are about as damning as it gets.

I wonder what they’ll call the sequel to Shattered Glass?

Tattered Asshat?

Charles wrestled this one from Drudge because he was all over it from the git-go. Professional courtesy, I'm guessing.

Know what I'm saying............

Foer comes off pretty slimy:

Foer: (Unintelligible) You owe it to us ah to just ah .... you owe it to us to basically kind of report on ourselves and be able to put out whatever next thing ... I think you ought to basically talk to us, and let us control the way this story proceeds. I think that's the least you could do for us. I think it would be further evidence, further sign to us that you're just sticking it to us if you went and talked to these other guys before we could put out anything further.

re: #59 Charles

re: #43 marwan's daughter

But Charles, if these are real, then why did Drudge remove them? Hmm, maybe someone from TNR told him to cease and desist.

They were not removed because they weren't genuine, and no one threatened Drudge. I'm not at liberty to reveal anything more than that.

Dang you, Charles!

:shakes fist:

Could be that Drudge pulled the docs so as to protect someone who might otherwise get in some kind of trouble for having leaked them (?)

I'm still just reading the first one, but it's high comedy. Scotty refuses to recant or stand by his stories either way. He just refuses to comment on them. Foer tells him that Ellie, Scott's wife, wants him to say he didn't recant and he still won't answer. I wonder if A) she genuinely believes the stories are true, or B) if she wants to make it appear that the Army is falsely claiming Scott recanted. I'm going for B.

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Charles...

First Civil Suit against the Fred Phelps

Fred Phelps Family In Court

re: #72 MacGregor

re: #59 Charles

*cough* Fox News *cough*

(lol)

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Synopsis (crude, quick and probably inacurate):

The army report basically says that STB's stories were either wholly fabricated or were huge and blatant distortions of actual events. Furthermore, these tales were a breach of protocol, harmed morale, and dishonored the Army.

In the other 2 reports, Scott says he doesn't want to talk to the media anymore, he's in the Army and he has a job to do. TNR replies by saying that they've stood by him. They employ his wife. They printed his stories. For these reasons TNR is not just a media outlet and Scott should talk to them. Scot then replies by not saying much except that he won't confirm the truth or falsehood of his stories and that he does not want to talk to the media anymore.

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re: #71 doppelganglander

I'm still just reading the first one, but it's high comedy. Scotty refuses to recant or stand by his stories either way. He just refuses to comment on them. Foer tells him that Ellie, Scott's wife, wants him to say he didn't recant and he still won't answer. I wonder if A) she genuinely believes the stories are true, or B) if she wants to make it appear that the Army is falsely claiming Scott recanted. I'm going for B.

_______________
Scott should have used the standard Clintonista reply to all the investigations of the Clinton years ......
"I don't recall"

. . And Janet Reno's standard reply to info requests on every Clinton-era wrong doing investigation was:
"I can't comment on that, because it's the subject of an ongoing investigation"

/Uncle Stonewall

re: #34 mama winger

re: #33 uncleFuzzy

Sometimes if you look at the immensity of the task, it seems overwhelming. When that happens, just remind yourself:

The only battle I have to fight today is the one right in front of me.

Mama Winger, you are a very wise woman.

It's interesting that in the transcript Executive Editor Scoblic talks about Foer having his name reputation trashed. The major media haven't touched this story. These liberals have no idea how easy they have it compared with what a conservative media outlet would endure if it had perpetrated a similar hoax. They like to dismiss Fox News as "Faux News," but it's always their side with the faux news.

re: #7 David IV of Georgia

I can't access the pdf's.

Dave IV -

Use "Exploder" - pdf's on Firefox have been glitchy lately.

-S-

re: #70 Le_Patriot

Could be that Drudge pulled the docs so as to protect someone who might otherwise get in some kind of trouble for having leaked them (?)

Doesn't matter. Once they're leaked, they're leaked. I have my copies.

He caved. And in doing so, the story caves as well. The next to cave will be the New Republic.

I thought I detected a font change on one line, but it was an illusion. The first pdf loads up at 102%, changing it back to 100% clarified the font and kerning, so trick of my display resolution, not a change in font.

It seems that certain people actually want to believe that our troops - who are honorable men fighting for our freedom- are rapists and murderers, regardless of the truth. It was true in Vietnam, and it's true now.

Many apologies to our brave men and women in uniform, no one deserves to be slandered this way.

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Shattered Glass 2: Electric Boogaloo

Be sure to check out powerlineblog.com
they have been doing great posts on this issue all along, Scott Johnson.
REally great analysis of the "fable-writer" Beecham er Beauchamp...

Apology from the scum at TNR for The Vile Slander and Libel against The Men and Women in our Armed Forces coming when ?

Shattered Glass 2: Dishonor, Dirty, Fiction

Shattered Glass 2: Don't Question his Patriotism

Shattered Glass 2: An Inconveniant Truth

OT: Over at National Review, via Hot Air:

Following Rush's example

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re: #80 Dave659

It's interesting that in the transcript Executive Editor Scoblic talks about Foer having his name reputation trashed. The major media haven't touched this story. These liberals have no idea how easy they have it compared with what a conservative media outlet would endure if it had perpetrated a similar hoax. They like to dismiss Fox News as "Faux News," but it's always their side with the faux news.

________________________
Like the elder apes in "Planet of the Apes" where they referred to the "forbidden zone" to keep every one away from discovering the truth (where Charlton Heston eventually found the Statue of Liberty head) . . . . so also the libs constantly do continual references to Fox News as
"faux news"
"nothing to see here, folks"
"it's a Republican propaganda machine"

(Say it often enough, and people will believe it)

I watch all the major news outlets, just to see who is spinning what, and I can see that Fox News is more fair and balanced than any of the rest.

/Not to mention that Fox has the most attractive women vs any other news channel . . . but I digress : )

re: #81 Dr. Shalit

re: #7 David IV of Georgia

I can't access the pdf's.

Dave IV -

Use "Exploder" - pdf's on Firefox have been glitchy lately.

-S-

I was using Safari on a mac PowerPC G4. Charles fixed the links, but then Safari used the Quicktime plugin to display them. They were microscopic. So I downloaded them and was able to read them easily.

I've not been able to find a way to tell Safari which plugin to use for various types of documents. Apparently with Camino, Firefox and Konqueror you can change them.

From my familiarity with military docs, they certainly appear genuine as far as formating, etc, unlike the Rather TANG fake-but-accurate docs. That said, it's obvious Be-a-chimp was lying, and the military called him out on it. He could then either face courts-martial and a bad-conduct discharge, or recant and shut his yap and maybe get of Iraq in one piece and perhaps resurrect his fledgeling writing career at a later date. I think he opted for "B" and threw TNR under the bus. You could tell they were about to explode in a fit but couldn't because of the other people present with chimp-boy. Yeah, serves you right, you bastards.

86-Uncle fuzzy-maybe it will come out upon discovery that he had a mentor encouraging all this BDS and anti-military lies.
These people live in a lefty crackpot bubble.maybe we will see what group encouraged all these stories. And have deserted him. that is why he is scared and clamming up. He has made a pact with the devil.

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Wow, lame... Jon Carry just made a cameo on local Boston news to cheer the Sox in the monotone that just makes my eyes want to roll up into my skull.

OK, I just designed the next universally recognizable symbol for the upcoming generation. Let's see if it gets the stamp of approval, gets "released," and sticks as a cultural concept. (Like the peace symbol.)

I think (judging from the telephone transcript) the little creep lied his butt off, he wants it all to go away (poor baby...freakin coward) and can't own up to being a "wannabe Hemmingway" (gimme a freakin break) because his wife is begging him not to recant (she is losing it to the point she emails her boss during the teleconference...hehehe) so she doesn't lose her entire career. He is a spineless wonder and they should have booted his lying azz right out of there a long time ago.

Absolutely devastating. These transcripts seal the entire deal--if it wasn't clear before now that Beauchamp was a liar, there is no way anyone can deny it now. He is sheepish about the damage he caused to other men serving in Iraq. He probably didn't care about that before, but now it has been brought home to him what he did, and he cannot forthrightly admit it.

Wow.

Unexplainable FireFox browser phenomena:
When I first left-clicked on those PDF's before Charles fixed them, I would get a "server not found" error.

Yet, if I instead right-clicked the PDF link and then selected "Open Link in new window", then the PDF would open OK.

It makes no sense to me, but that's exactly what was happening. I went back and forth among the 2 methods several times to verify what was happening. FireFox works in strange ways!

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TNR's Foer: Drudge's Documents Could Have Come Only From the Army

Franklin Foer, editor of The New Republic, said in an interview that the documents relating to Scott Thomas Beauchamp that Matt Drudge posted this afternoon--and removed several hours later without explanation--could have only come from the Army.

Mr. Foer said he called TNR's contact there, Major Kirk Luedeke, as soon as the documents appeared on Drudge's site. According to Mr. Foer, Major Luedeke told him that the Army was "investigating the source of the leak," though they did not explicitly take responsibility for it.

"It's maddening to see the Army selectively leak to the Drudge Report things that we've been trying to obtain from them through Freedom of Information Act requests," Mr. Foer said. "This fits a pattern in this case where the army has leaked a lot of stuff to right wing blogs."

/the Army fights back

re: #103 mama winger

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re: #51 Le_Patriot

Exerpt from the 3rd PDF, Page 6, Paragraph h:

[. . . "I find that private Beauchamp takes small bits of truth and twists and exagerates them into fictional accounts that he puts forth as the whole truth" . . .]

Hey, what's news about that? . . . so do Media Matters, Harry Reid,
Nancy Pelosi, Moveon.org, KosKidz, et al, of the lying liberal
lunatic left.

/just sayin'

Mohammad the pedophile prophet and liar would be proud.

re: #100 kawfytawk

I think (judging from the telephone transcript) the little creep lied his butt off, he wants it all to go away (poor baby...freakin coward) and can't own up to being a "wannabe Hemmingway" (gimme a freakin break) because his wife is begging him not to recant (she is losing it to the point she emails her boss during the teleconference...hehehe) so she doesn't lose her entire career. He is a spineless wonder and they should have booted his lying azz right out of there a long time ago.

If they boot him out, someone else will have to replace him on permanent latrine cleaning detail. Who knows, the Army may make a man out of him.

what exactly is the "Dagger Brigade Flat Ass" rules?

Anyone?

Re: #108 David

Who knows, the Army may make a man out of him.

You need balls for the start of that, and he needs to quit hiding behind the skirts at TNR.

re: #109 kawfytawk

what exactly is the "Dagger Brigade Flat Ass" rules?

Anyone?

________________________
I think it's Hillary's campaign structure
: )

OT: Outrage as Israel refusing to perform free open heart surgery on Gaza Terrorists.

Israel pressuring ill Palestinians to be informers, activists say By Dion Nissenbaum, McClatchy Newspapers
Wed Oct 24, 4:21 PM ET

KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip — Yasser Hiyya didn't know why he was always so weak and tired until this summer, when doctors discovered a small hole in his heart. Israel gave Hiyya permission to leave the Gaza Strip last month and cross Israeli territory for immediate surgery in the Palestinian-controlled West Bank .


But when he arrived at the Israeli border crossing, he learned that there was a catch. In a daylong interrogation, Hiyya said, Israeli intelligence offered him a deal: Tell us about your brother, a wanted militant, and we'll let you enter Israel for the operation you need.

When Hiyya refused, they turned him away.

Human rights groups charge that Hiyya's case is one of nearly a dozen they've documented in which Israelis allegedly have tried to recruit ailing Palestinians as informers in the low-intensity war with the militant Islamic group Hamas .
Since Hamas won control of Gaza in a mid-June military rout of its rival, the secular group Fatah , Israel has worked to isolate the coastal strip and its 1.5 million residents. About the only people allowed out of Gaza these days are Palestinians who need emergency medical care.

Now, the rights groups charge, Israel is trying to turn them into collaborators.

"To prey on the most vulnerable is not only unlawful, it's also despicable,"said Fred Abrahams , a researcher at Human Rights Watch who documented some of the Gaza cases. "It's a slow tightening of the noose, and people are dying."
Since June, at least five Palestinians have died after being denied permits to leave Gaza for emergency medical treatment, according to Physicians for Human Rights, an Israeli human-rights group that's working to help patients in Gaza .
Israel's General Security Service, better known as the Shabak, declined to discuss any of the cases or its strategy for collecting information, but it rejected allegations that it's refusing to let critically ill Palestinians out of Gaza for treatment unless they became informants.

"The GSS's policy regarding giving exit permits is not dependent on consent to become a collaborator," the service said in a prepared statement.

If and when Palestinians are turned away, the agency said, it's because Israel has concerns about their links to terrorists.

It's not clear how many people have been allowed out of Gaza .

On average, about 700 sick Palestinians have been given permission to leave Gaza each month since Hamas took control, according to the World Health Organization .

But fewer than 200 people were allowed out of Gaza during the last two weeks of September, when Hiyya was trying to leave, according to WHO figures compiled from Israeli reports.

Hiyya, 37, ran into problems because one of his younger brothers is a leading Fatah militant in Gaza whom Israel has tried to assassinate at least twice.

[Link: news.yahoo.com...]

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