Truth is what truth is.

the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe

QED.

I can just imagine the last video ending with a seig heil (spl?) - Charles, thank you for standing up to this crap.

Open mouth insert shoe leather and bite down hard. These morons are just as useful to a real solution as the tools we have here clamoring for defeat.

Oh my. Well, looks like we are about to have another thread marathon.

Utterly disgusting as this is, will it change the minds of anyone on the other side of the fence?

I hope so. But I seriously doubt it.

Up with Flem power *cough*
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Interesting, and frustrating. These guys seem to be piggy-backing their white-supremacy ideas on the back of a legitimate concern about rising Islamic extremism.

The effect, I suspect, is to force the middle majority to stay silent, for fear of falling in with the likes of Mr. White Europe.

the Vlaams Blok, Vlaams Belang - for me still one and the same party - has remained true to itself

Just like with the islamists- we do ourselves a grave disservice when we fail to take our enemies at their word.

All this sunshine and no Gorebull warning.

"With friends like these..."

Seriously. These folks are not wanted. They give real ammo to the lefty 'anti-islamicists are racist' trope. They have a agenda of white superiority that is immoral, unpalatable, and undemocratic. While they are not (yet) the threat that is islamofascism, they are a hop, skip, and reactionary jump away from becoming one. I say shun them and their kind. They are no allies in this war.

Be careful when fighting a monster...not to become the monster....who we fight with matters....President Bush fights with the monsters...and wonders why he can't beat them.....trust your eyes...not your pride.

Sigh.

Well, on the bright side, THIS time, the Jews have someplace to go (Israel).

It's necessary that Europe wakes up to the threat of Islamization, and does something about the take over of Muslims...

Unfortunately, the Jews will get caught in between, just like the Crusades.

But on the bright side... this time, the Jews have someplace to go.

It's only the tip of the iceberg.

Hazardous air sparks mass warnings in California

So sorry for the California lizards...I remember 03...not nice. [Link: www.breitbart.com...]

History repeating?

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Blessedly humid, cool fog came onshore yesterday. It's a beautiful day today in Santa Monica. Hope good air is moving inland.

I still have a hard time keeping the Swedes and the Phlegms separate.

But this sounds pretty convincing.

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Interesting, and frustrating. These guys seem to be piggy-backing their white-supremacy ideas on the back of a legitimate concern about rising Islamic extremism.

The effect, I suspect, is to force the middle majority to stay silent, for fear of falling in with the likes of Mr. White Europe.

I'm afraid that this is already happening. Many people that I know have no wish for major demographic changes and no love for the Islamic assimilation of everything still feel the need to qualify their statements with statements demonizing the West or minimizing the threat. Why? To plainly state how they feel might be taken as racist, unbalanced, and uncritical.

the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe

"White".

"Europe".

What happened to the nations?!

What happened to "British"? To "French"? To "Italians"? To "Germans"? To "Spaniards"?

Here's another from my comment responses (it's from my post I just linked):

[...] try the thought-experiment of grouping China, Japan, North Korea, South Korea, Thailand, Laos, Vietnam and Cambodia under either an "Asian Union" or, in antithesis to this, a group that needs to guard "Asian interests", to work "to preserve yellow Asia". Both would be attempts to group together diverse nations, nations sharing only basic history, very little culture, and nothing beyond the irrelevant and lazy criterion of physical appearance. I think it's absurd for Europe as it would be absurd for the Far East.

"White Europe" and "European Union". Two sides of the same coin. With nationalism, the one idea that could preserve the life and civil liberties of people everywhere, trodden underfoot in this fruitless brawl.

In the first video the camera zooms in on the back of the girl's shirt. It reads:

Meer Vlaanderen
Vlaams Blok

I wonder if this was before Vlaams Blok was banned?

Ringing in my ears like a death nell. Good call Charles.... you are thorough and hesitant in lending your support. Unlike a certain someone.
The minute "white" is injected into anything.... it cuts like knife to reopen the wounds of eras, decades, centuries past. There is no room on the bus for elitists because they offend and polarize before the first word is ever spoken.

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the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe

"White".

"Europe".

What happened to the

Is it possible these groups are confusing skin color with culture? People who base their opinions on what they see rather than on what they know (or should know) are usually not the brightest of bulbs.

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Filip Dewinter: ‘Yes, the Vlaams Blok (Flemish Block) chooses our own people first (slogan: Eigen Volk Eerst). And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe.’

Charming.

I'm doing some research, need a hand so link dump time

Flemish Branch of Blood and Honor (no proven connections to VB, but the trials haven't started yet.)
Article on False Flag Terror attack (Again, not connected by any fact to VB)

Vlaams Belang Manifesto, from their page

VB wiki page

Need translation help here, something about an event at an opposition website, Gay Games, Blood and Honor are the only english words

Who VB is teaming with in EU Parliament

Pat Buchanan likes VB

Report: Syrian reactor built in 2001

Experts examining new satellite images from 2003 estimate construction of Syrian complex bombed by Israel began six years ago

[Link: www.ynetnews.com...]

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I'll repeat what I said days ago:

The war for public support, in hopes of effecting positive change and avoiding a literal war, is different than a literal war.

When the literal war begins, you take any allies you can get from any place you can get them. (Stalin, anyone?) Some of the Euro A-J's are already in that place, mentally.

Here in the US, at least, it's still a war for public support, and you will be tarred not just by whom you willing to hold hands with, but by whomever those people in turn are willing to hold hands with. If we give implicit endorsement to people who are one or two links away from white supremacists, we'll lose the battle for public support for the A-J movement, (and incidentally, lose our own souls in the bargain, if that means anything to you).

Charles,

Thank you for staying on top of this.

re: #8 Cognito

Interesting, and frustrating. These guys seem to be piggy-backing their white-supremacy ideas on the back of a legitimate concern about rising Islamic extremism.

The effect, I suspect, is to force the middle majority to stay silent, for fear of falling in with the likes of Mr. White Europe.

Or, given the history of Nazism and islamist common goals (see WWII), they are perhaps deliberately working to discredit the real anti-islamist movement.

re: #29 Thanos

I'm doing some research, need a hand so link dump time

Charles,

Many of us here are astute students of history despite many attempts to rewrite or obscure the facts of what happened. It was the mistake of the Allies of WWII to trust the intentions of the Soviets which led to the Cold War. It was the mistake of the free world to think Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy, and Imperial Japan could behave as reasonable nations in the world.

To compromise our integrity, as you have pointed out many times, will play into the hands of our declared enemies the Neo Socialists and Islamic Fascists. They will use any such alliances, real or perceived, to marginalize our ability to keep up and defeat the propaganda game played out against the free world with disingenuous reports of our military services overseas, political engineering on the home front, and the assault on basic liberties. By excluding these groups that claim to be on the same side we will gain the larger appeal of the public. No Compromise!

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There's another video here

Filip Dewinter: I still can't decide which of the three variations would be most unpleasant, but anyway, if that would be the case, then I've raised her wrong, but it's her choice, not mine.

Presenter: You really think that? What's wrong with a negro?

Dewinter: I have no problems with it. It's her choice. All I'm saying is, that it's not simple, talking from 20 years experience, to live with someone from your own culture who shares your values. If she comes home with someone from another culture, regardless of skin color, then it becomes very difficult to keep a relationship like that stable.

Etc.

Most revealing point to me is that he regards the three options equally unpleasant. Keeping Flanders white and traditional is what motivates Dewinter, not resistance to jihad or creeping sharia.

Cheers for not following the others blogs in ignoring this crap. The only thing I hate more than a jihadist is a stumpy euro-nazi.

Their tone and body language reminds me of howard dean which is flat scary and is part of the reason why I think people shyed away from him. Given what howard dean has said since he has become the dnc leader towards republicans, makes him that much scarier that the dems chose him to lead.

the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe

WHOAAAAAA Nelly.

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For years now...we have been discussing the fact that iSLam will either entirely take over europe..or europe will revive its past, and do something crazy to end the threat....looks like the "crazies" are back.

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i remember the disappointment i felt after reading "Camp of the Saints". why can't europeans address the issue without going racist?

you can't beat something with nothing. islam has bulldozed over the vague socialist-multicultural-tolerant-european zeitgeist. they seem unwilling to unite around god and country. the american notions of freedom and capitalism never really took hold there.

what else is left but race? are the only options a caliphate or a new IVth reich? i'm not sure which would be the greater bloodbath.

Great - another Euro podium banger. Just what we needed in a sea of blind idiot morons.

Charles, just heard about mum. She's got a bead reserved on the ol' rosary. Hang in there, man.

Two anti-semitic forces rising in Europe. Always, always the forces of darkness must first rise and fight against the Jews, after they finish with them it is on to the Christians. Remember after the Jews were annihilated by Titus in 70 AD, the persecution of the Christians soon began in earnest under the Roman Emperors. The Jew represents the pinnacle of civilization, of rule of law, and human freedom, not the freedom of licentiousness, but the freedom to worship God without coercion. Darkness must quench that freedom in order to reign over men.

The european left has to be turned around to face the islamic agenda. Leaving the confrontation to the racist right will of course lead nowhere good.

We need the gays, lesbians, winos, ham lovers, Jews, buddhists, hindus, sikhs, greek orthodox, catholics, wiccans, and masons on board. Not freakin' Nazis.

Imams in the Mosques screaming for Islamic Supremacy.
This group agitating for White European Supremacy.
The question remains 'Can the center hold"
Charles is right to shine light on this. Always be careful who you join with

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Iranian police have ordered shut and sealed several Tehran bookshops which also provide coffee and snacks to readers, because of what one officer termed "a clash of professions."
"Based on the (booksellers) union law, owners of one type of business are not allowed to practise two different professions at the same time," head of Tehran police information, Colonel Mehdi Ahmadi, told AFP on Saturday.

According to the state IRNA news agency, six book-cafes have been sealed.

"It is not possible that they open a cafe-restaurant and give such services beyond their union's job description," Ahmadi said, referring to what have become known as "book-cafes" where people borrow books, relax with a coffee and read.

But Farid Moradi of publishers Saales said many other businesses in Iran had coffee shops besides their primary profession.

"Many other places such as cinemas, swimming pools and sports clubs have a space for people to hang out and drink coffee... it seems that they (the police) are adopting a different approach" for bookshops, Moradi said.

"We received a notice to close our book-cafe and we did so within the given deadline," Moradi told AFP, adding that they reported the closure to the union on Wednesday but that police still sealed the shop on Thursday

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

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Other than admitting the link between the current and banned parties, taken by itself, this quote isn't really damning at all...

Filip Dewinter: ‘Up with the Flemish power. Up with the Flemish power. The traditional parties have moved to the left, while the Vlaams Blok, Vlaams Belang - for me still one and the same party - has remained true to itself. ... The Vlaams Belang is the only dam against the islamization and foreignization (vervreemding) of our big cities. That was true yesterday, today and I tell you now it won’t be any different in 2012. ... Promoting tolerance is easy and yes, I’m in favor of streets without hate, but together with many Flemish I’m also in favor for streets without jihad.’

Now, this is quite damning...

Filip Dewinter: ‘Yes, the Vlaams Blok (Flemish Block) chooses our own people first (slogan: Eigen Volk Eerst). And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a Flemish Flanders. And yes, the Vlaams Blok chooses a white Europe.’

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I have a feeling when he says 'white Europe', he does not mean in in the same sense as 'white Christmas'. Its not a holiday thing, I think.

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Ok, I just found an eight minute speech from current SD leader Jimmie Akesson on Youtube from 2005, when he was a candidate for party leadership. I've watched half of it, but I've decided to translate the entire piece. It's some really petty and smallminded racist shit he's spewing...

Here's a comment postedin defense of VB at Brussels journal....

The Jewish genocide is mainly used by the extreme left and the media as a weapon to hurt Europe and attack European genes through the means of mass immigration. Many Jews are at the forefront of this tactic. I am sure they care about what happened to their people at the time of Hitler's Europe, but they are not soberly remembering that episode. They are using it ad nauseam to hurt us. By the way, the Jews were certainly not in the past, and are certainly not today the least race conscious people on the earth. How did they manage to retain their cohesiveness during several centuries living among Europeans? How can they (da Jooos- ed) accuse us of racism towards them and claim that they are exempt of any racism towards us? This is dishonest. How should we call the policy of mass immigration aimed at the white race? Although I know that not all Jews agree with it. The crime of Hitler was not racism, it was mass murder.

A glimpse inside the mind of a VB supporter.

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I have a feeling when he says 'white Europe', he does not mean in in the same sense as 'white Christmas'. Its not a holiday thing, I think.

It didn't stick to the lawn, but did I ever tell you about the time is snowed at my house on Christmas Eve, 2004.

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Wow, Charles, just wow!

Again, thank you.

I stuck with trading the translations. To be honest? I did not need or want to watch the videos, as the words were enough.

Sorry, but I keep getting a shuddering feeling, as this seems to resemble the mid to late 1930's in Europe.But Albore had not yet invented the internet, in order to spread the hate all over the world in a nano-second.

Wow. Another huge mistake by the anti-Islamists, at Michigan State:

[Link: www.lsj.com...]

The article doesn't mention it, but Nick Griffin is the head of the British National Party.

Pamela...WTFU!

I think it goes without saying that integrity is what is at stake. Without it we are lost and become nothing more than the justification of scorn and derision that the soundbytes from others already claim us to be.
"The record of one's life must needs prove
more interesting to him who writes it than
to him who reads what has been written."
~~ Elizabeth Kenny

Politics is never straightforward and sometimes it makes for strange bedfellows. The left have been using the excuse of your "allying" yourself with neo-Nazis for decades while at the same time allying themselves with religious neo-Nazis. There are a lot of parties in Europe with dubious pasts...especially in places like Spain, Italy and even Ireland. Does that mean if they are against dhimmification of Europe now one has to keep arms length? Desperate times need desperate measures...

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Leave it to Texas to help Nebraska finally discover its defense. 3-3 tie, late 2nd quarter.

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One note to Lizards:

Please do not diss the Netherlands, they are our allies and fight beside us in Afghanistan. Withdrawal of troops is under debate now in Belgium.

Also note that about half of the Flemish don't even want to think about seceding according to recent polls.

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It could be worse, a multi-front war with multiple enemies fighting each other!

i'd prefer that to one united superstate.

there are a few simple beliefs that hold a ethnic mess like the united states together. compared to the rest of the world, we get along. the europeans simply refuse to consider any of them.

You guys are jumping to conclusions by equating a "white Europe" with "white supremacy." This is a PC trap that you shouldn't rush to jump into in order to brandish your moral credentials. I don't think anyone here is an expert on this movement and the underlying tone and framing a few snippets doesn't prove anything. If what they are saying is that they identify with what they see as a "white" or "European" or "Flemish" culture doesn't mean they are drooling to start exterminating people. Cool down the moral self righteousness until you see more than you do now.

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Here's a comment postedin defense of VB at

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What have the flemish ever given us? A few good painters a few hundred years ago, and a couple of good beers. Other than that, nada, zip, goose.

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You guys are jumping to conclusions by equating a "white Europe" with "white supremacy." This is a PC trap that you shouldn't rush to jump into in order to brandish your moral credentials. I don't think anyone here is an expert on this movement and the underlying tone and framing a few snippets doesn't prove anything. If what they are saying is that they identify with what they see as a "white" or "European" or "Flemish" culture doesn't mean they are drooling to start exterminating people. Cool down the moral self righteousness until you see more than you do now.

Better ways to want to assert pride in national culture/identity than devolving it down to skin color. And talk of a 'white Europe' does just that.

Compare to Louisiana, a state that was part of the Confederacy, that had no problem electing the son of Indian immigrants because he clearly embraced the American culture, and was seen as competent and honest. Another reason why I think the US is generally in better shape than most of Europe.

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OT and linkage:

On Countercurrents, by Khalid Amayreh: Gaza: The Auschwitz Of Our Time

I can't read beyond the title. Not right now. Maybe in a few days, after I get over it, and when I see the article making the rounds on the usual venues (CounterPunch, Common Dreams etc.).

re: #72 rem1776

You guys are jumping to conclusions by equating a "white Europe" with "white supremacy." This is a PC trap that you shouldn't rush to jump into in order to brandish your moral credentials. I don't think anyone here is an expert on this movement and the underlying tone and framing a few snippets doesn't prove anything. If what they are saying is that they identify with what they see as a "white" or "European" or "Flemish" culture doesn't mean they are drooling to start exterminating people. Cool down the moral self righteousness until you see more than you do now.

The thing is, the response to creeping or galloping islamization should be one that is fought along cultural, not racial, lines.

That you do not see the folly of the racial approach tells us, or me at least, much about who YOU are.

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Wow. Another huge mistake by the anti-Islamists, at Michigan State:

[Link:

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You guys are jumping to conclusions by equating a "white Europe" with "white supremacy." This is a PC trap that you shouldn't rush to jump into in order to brandish your moral credentials. I don't think anyone here is an expert on this movement and the underlying tone and framing a few snippets doesn't prove anything. If what they are saying is that they identify with what they see as a "white" or "European" or "Flemish" culture doesn't mean they are drooling to start exterminating people. Cool down the moral self righteousness until you see more than you do now.

Whoa....

Atleast when the mayor of new orleans said that he wanted a chocolate city, some Americans stood up and said that was bullshit.

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Wow. Another huge mistake by the anti-Islamists, at Michigan State:

[Link: www.lsj.com...]

The article doesn't mention it, but Nick Griffin is the head of the British National Party.

Folks, look at this link. It's not just the European anti-Islamization movement that's being corrupted by neo-Nazi connections. The BNP is seriously bad news, and Nick Griffin is a Holocaust denier. I'm absolutely appalled that the Young Americans for Freedom at MSU would have anything to with this person.

My God. What's going on here?

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re: #78 David IV of Georgia

Those documents are not from Vlaams Belang -- they're from the Sweden Democrats.

I'm sorry. I stand corrected. Please delete post if you will.

re: #76 Maine's Michael

What have the flemish ever given us? A few good painters a few hundred years ago, and a couple of good beers. Other than that, nada, zip, goose.

Their troops are fighting with us in Afghanistan.

Another idiot at brussels journal smells fauxtography on the White Power flag......

I think the Celtic cross might have been rendered on a transparent folded 3D surface and the resulting picture superimposed on some real black flag in the original picture. Or possibly even on a real flag of a different color, because the transparancy of this flag might be a bit too strong -- it would have been a crappy flag made of a very cheap fabric. Another thing that looks fishy is the folding itself, which strikes me as ungeometrical or at least over-the-top, given the edges of the flag. Finally, I can't make sense of the (very) strong on-and-off blurring of those pixels that make up the edges of the white cross.

Globular Clusters!

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

There is no mistaking who these people are, and what they want.

NO
PRISONERS,
R

re: #36 Idle Drifter

Charles,

Many of us here are astute students of history despite many attempts to rewrite or obscure the facts of what happened. It was the mistake of the Allies of WWII to trust the intentions of the Soviets which led to the Cold War.

Oh, it just makes me think how different the world would be now, if the allies had continued on after defeating Germany and Japan, and defeated the Soviety Union. Maybe wouldn't have the resources or manpower at that point. Maybe the people were too tired of war. Maybe the politicians would rather have assumed Russia had peaceful intentions. But, damn. We wouldn't have Putin today. We wouldn't have Russia messing around in countries all over the world, trying to make things bad just to screw the US.
And the russian people may have had a better chance at a real, long lasting democracy, with the good economy that accompanies it. The russian people would be much better off.

Oh well, just dreaming. :p

re: #82 Dead Sea Squirrel

By the way...that was a deal with the Devil...The U.S.S.R killed or locked up their Jews for many years...Watch who you trust....or get blood on your fingers.

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What have the flemish ever given us? A few good painters a few hundred years ago, and a couple of good beers. Other than that, nada, zip, goose.

Their troops are fighting with us in Afghanistan.

OK, how's this:

What have the flemish ever given us? A few good painters a few hundred years ago, and a couple of good beers, and a few token battle-avoiding soldiers in afghanistan. Other than that, nada, zip, goose.

Hitler could not have come to power had it not been for the German Peoples fear of Stalin and Soviet Communism as well as an institutional and well developed prejudicial racism. The "Majority" looked the other way or "went along with the program like good sheep". It looks like these Flemish political parties have learned politics from the lessons of history and wouldn't mind capitalizing on them.

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When I say literal, I mean literal.

Stalin was just as bloody a monster as Hitler, but we knew we could contain him after the war ended, so we allied with him to defeat Hitler. If literal civil war breaks out in Europe between Jihadis and anti-Jihadis who have racists/anti-semites in their ranks, then yes, I will support the A-J's, because something can be done with them after the war. Jihadism, in contrast, cannot be exorcised.

We did not contain them....we fought a cold war...that lead us to today.

Yes, we did contain them. We did fight a cold war. We won that war. The world did not go up in a nuclear holocaust. If we had not taken Stalin as an ally, Hitler may well have won, and the ovens would have stayed hot until every Jew was gone. We made a devil's bargain in WW2, and in the end, we won.

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This man chose death over joining the Nazis.

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Of course, the easiest thing to do is to whip up ethnic nationalism and racial hatred. Especially easy when times are bad, or the population has been stewing in a a pressure cooker made of politially correct social constraints, or both.

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You guys are jumping to conclusions by equating a "white Europe" with "white supremacy." This is