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BNP Leader Invited to MSU by 'Conservative' Students

Sat, Oct 27, 2007 at 4:15:20 pm PDT

In the boneheaded move of the year, conservative student group Young Americans for Freedom invited British National Party (BNP) leader Nick Griffin, a flat-out racist and Holocaust denier, to speak about the dangers of Islam at Michigan State University: Protesters shout down anti-Islam speaker at MSU.

It’s not clear from the article whether this was part of Islamofascism Awareness Week or not, but if it was, the Young Americans for Freedom have just handed the enemy a huge gift on a platter, tied up with a lovely white supremacist bow.

EAST LANSING - When British Nationalist Nick Griffin took the podium at a Friday night Michigan State University event, he tried to explain how Islam is a threat to Western civilization.

Protesters wouldn’t have it.

Hurling obscenities and using chants to interrupt his address, rambunctious student organizations forced Griffin to abandon his speech and allow an informal question and answer session.

What followed was an unstructured banter between the speaker and a crowd of roughly 75 protesters. While many attempted to ask Griffin legitimate questions, others shouted obscenities.

“We have all come from different backgrounds,” said Authra Khreis, 17, a pre-med student and a protester. “We should accept one another. I don’t think he should be allowed to speak. You can use free speech until you hurt another person.”

Griffin was invited to campus by a conservative student organization called Young Americans for Freedom, or YAF.

Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust, but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.

If this was another case of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend,” it couldn’t possibly be more misguided. From the statement by Kyle Bristow, it’s clear that the YAF (not related to Jason Mattera’s group, the Young America’s Foundation) knew exactly who Griffin was when they invited him.

The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 5:47:36 pm:

LGF readers have been digging, and so have I, and I was being naive in thinking the YAF at Michigan State would renounce Nick Griffin and the BNP. They know exactly what he believes, and what the BNP stands for, and invited him for that reason.

And surprise! They’re also big supporters of the only man who can save America, Ron Paul.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 6:20:32 pm:

Kyle Bristow.com.

UPDATE at 10/27/07 7:56:18 pm:

Did you know that LGF is a “pro-Muslim, left-wing blog?”

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1 Thanos  10/27/07 4:17:02 pm reply quote 9

Completely agree.

You don't have to become evil to defeat evil, no matter what Hollywood's take on that is.

2 Sharmuta  10/27/07 4:17:33 pm reply quote 10

If I want to align myself with racists and anti-Semites, I may as well submit.

3 Dublin(CA)Dude  10/27/07 4:18:05 pm reply quote 10

As a college member of YAF many years ago, I couldn't agree more. Thank you Charles for exposing this cancer to sunlight.

4 Noam Sayin'  10/27/07 4:18:22 pm reply quote 6
Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

You should listen to him, Kyle.

5 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  10/27/07 4:18:46 pm reply quote 0

Talk about a self inflicted wound...

6 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:19:20 pm reply quote 4

Never Submit...never give in to racist either.

7 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:20:30 pm reply quote 2
The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

What you said.

8 mama winger  10/27/07 4:20:51 pm reply quote 0

website

[Link: www.kylebristow.com...]

9 mama winger  10/27/07 4:21:51 pm reply quote 0

Gosh

he looks just like Little Winger

10 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/27/07 4:22:37 pm reply quote 5

What shall it profit a man, if he should gain the whole world, but lose his own soul?

I believe a Jew said that.

11 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:23:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #8 mama winger

website

[Link:

12 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:24:11 pm reply quote 5

If a man gives up everything he believes in just to survive...what good is life?....Our troops are fighting for us...because they understand that.

13 mama winger  10/27/07 4:24:16 pm reply quote 0

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14 mama winger  10/27/07 4:25:38 pm reply quote 0

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15 Dead Sea Squirrel  10/27/07 4:26:18 pm reply quote 0

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16 marwan's daughter  10/27/07 4:26:59 pm reply quote 0

Gah, the YAF leader has a picture with that pugnacious bastard Nick Griffin! And he doesn't have a contact form.

17 mama winger  10/27/07 4:27:21 pm reply quote 4

re: #15 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #14 mama winger

mama, what was the word with your friend's seven-year-old?

Oh - GOOD NEWS!

No cancer - just an inflammation of the lymph glands!

Thanks for all your prayers and good thoughts guys! JP is doing well!

:)

18 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:28:15 pm reply quote 0

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19 Thanos  10/27/07 4:28:15 pm reply quote 0

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

20 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:28:46 pm reply quote 1

re: #16 marwan's daughter

Gah, the YAF leader has a picture with that pugnacious bastard Nick Griffin! And he doesn't have a contact form.

Yes, he does. You must click on his Resume button.

21 Sharmuta  10/27/07 4:28:58 pm reply quote 0

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22 Thanos  10/27/07 4:29:35 pm reply quote 2

re: #19 Thanos

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

Nevermind:

Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate. Bristow said he doesn’t believe in many of the ideas Griffin has preached, particularly his alleged denial of the Holocaust, but does agree that the Islamic faith is a threat to America.

Sounds just like the bs that Columbia said about inviting Achmadinejad.

23 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:30:16 pm reply quote 0

re: #19 Thanos

Kyle looks like one of the good guys, is he just being naive, or does he know about the connection?

If he didn't, he needs a good butt-chewing for not researching Griffin. If he did, he needs to be taken out to the woodshed for a lesson.

24 mama winger  10/27/07 4:30:21 pm reply quote 0

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

25 mama winger  10/27/07 4:30:57 pm reply quote 0

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26 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:31:29 pm reply quote 0

re: #24 mama winger

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

That sucks...oh man.

27 mama winger  10/27/07 4:31:41 pm reply quote 0

I can't get over how much he looks like my kid. Amazing.

28 mama winger  10/27/07 4:33:07 pm reply quote 0

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29 ted  10/27/07 4:33:21 pm reply quote 0

"Kyle Bristow, chairman of YAF, said his organization invited Griffin to promote intellectual debate."

Yea right...Wasn't that the same reason used by Columbia to invite another racist, anti-semite holocaust denier?

30 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:33:41 pm reply quote 0

The Twilight Zone...nothing is what it seems.....so...the Logic is....join a hater...to stop a hater......no thanks.

31 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:34:09 pm reply quote 1

re: #24 mama winger

Also pictured with him David Horowitz

lots of big names if you scroll down

also looks like Michigan state officials

This kid gets around

I'm about to call him a pompous prick.

32 Highrise  10/27/07 4:34:09 pm reply quote 0

Kyle Bristow chairman of the YAF,

You are flat nuts. Nuts. I hope anyone associated with you lets you know this is NOT ok.

33 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:35:09 pm reply quote 0

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34 Sharmuta  10/27/07 4:35:15 pm reply quote 0

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35 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:35:18 pm reply quote 0

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36 insanity police  10/27/07 4:35:34 pm reply quote 0

Charles,

I completely agree with you. I warned about Nick Griffin a few times this week (1, 2, 3, 4).

Although I do think it is important to note that the protesters (many leftists, and Islamists) acted terribly themselves. (1, 2). Besides disrupting, and threatening, a bunch of them chased a few student YAF members after the presentation, trying to beat them up.

Nobody came out looking good here.

I should also note that the MSU student Republicans had distanced themselves from YAF a while ago.

37 psaturn  10/27/07 4:35:40 pm reply quote 4

I agree Charles!

Disavow any racists or anti semites otherwise your movement will suffer guilt by association...it is just inevitable...

38 Highrise  10/27/07 4:35:43 pm reply quote 0

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39 mama winger  10/27/07 4:36:26 pm reply quote 0

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40 Highrise  10/27/07 4:36:44 pm reply quote 0

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41 Mich-again  10/27/07 4:38:09 pm reply quote 3

The MSU YAF website links to the Spartan Spectator, their weblog. You can get an idea of their brand of conservatism by reading who they link to. Lots of Pat Buchanan in the recommended reading list. Oh and a link to the Ron Paul for President website.

42 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:38:43 pm reply quote 0

re: #39 mama winger

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43 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:38:52 pm reply quote 0

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44 Highrise  10/27/07 4:38:59 pm reply quote 0

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the

45 insanity police  10/27/07 4:39:05 pm reply quote -1

Some of the protesters at this event included the nasty anti-America/anti-Israel group Anti-Racist Action. Here is their article threatening the speaker even before the event took place.

46 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:40:08 pm reply quote 0

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47 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:40:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the

48 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:41:09 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 storagemanager

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49 Ojoe  10/27/07 4:41:14 pm reply quote 3

Note to YAF:

There are plenty of people without baggage who will tell you that islamism is a threat.

Charles Johnson for example.

50 mama winger  10/27/07 4:41:22 pm reply quote 0

re: #42 MandyManners

re: #39 mama winger

re: #35 storagemanager

Bristow denied the Holocaust?

I didn't see that.

Charles has a post about it in the previous thread.

I knew that the speaker Nick Griffin had denied the Holocaust. I didn't see that the YAF guy Bristow had.

On a previous thread ? I'll go look .......

51 Mich-again  10/27/07 4:41:51 pm reply quote 3

Muslim sympathizers shouting down a holocaust denier at a US campus.

The world has gone Topsy Turvy

52 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:41:56 pm reply quote 0

re: #41 Mich-again

The MSU YAF website links to the

53 storagemanager  10/27/07 4:42:12 pm reply quote 0

I need dinner..good night folks....stay safe.

54 Ojoe  10/27/07 4:42:21 pm reply quote 0

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55 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:42:57 pm reply quote 1

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56 insanity police  10/27/07 4:43:10 pm reply quote 0

Anti-Racist Blog actually quoted Charles in relation to the Nick Griffin/YAF controversy during the past week:

Mr. Griffin may oppose Islamic extremism, which fuels a great deal of Jew hatred around the world, but Anti-Racist Blog will not lower its moral standards by supporting him, or YAF in this instance. A wise blogger once said, "...I do not accept that we’ve reached the point where we should embrace these kinds of people as allies, simply because they’re hitching a ride on the bandwagon and saying the right things when the spotlight is on them."

57 hayseed  10/27/07 4:43:29 pm reply quote -2

this is England...a movie trailer. It really says a lot

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE

58 RobCon  10/27/07 4:43:41 pm reply quote 0

What the hell was YAF thinking for Christsake!

59 shanec99  10/27/07 4:43:47 pm reply quote 1

It is most unfortunate that our young people do not trust their capability to defeat totalitarianism.

We should remind them that if we become like those who seek to destroy us then we weaken ourselves.

God bless you Charles for pointing out the errors that these youngsters are making. I believe that we must take them under our wings and teach them about the real nature of our struggle is to maintain a society that is tolerant of dissenting ideas. We should also let them know that the preservation of individual freedom and liberty is the central idea in the American experiment that involved rule by the consent of the governed.

I hope that they will not be attracted to the idea of expedient allies who will destroy all we believe in the pursuit of a victory over other intolerants who advocate murder, racism and the denial of basic rights to a whole group of people as a means of achieving power.

60 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:43:49 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 storagemanager

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61 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:44:23 pm reply quote 0

Man, I feel like a total jerk.

62 insanity police  10/27/07 4:45:11 pm reply quote 0

re: #51 Mich-again

Muslim sympathizers shouting down a holocaust denier at a US campus.

The world has gone Topsy Turvy

It was because Nick Griffin openly condemns Islam and Islamic extremism that many Muslims attended. Most cared little about his anti-semitism. However, the fact that Griffin is an anti-semite provided cover for at least some protesters (like Anti-Racist Action) to say: look we fight anti-semities, so it's ok that we condemn zionism.

63 mama winger  10/27/07 4:45:45 pm reply quote 0

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64 Ed mahmoud abu al Kahoul  10/27/07 4:46:03 pm reply quote 0

The YAF have handed ammo to their left wing and Islamist enemies.

65 Sharmuta  10/27/07 4:46:25 pm reply quote 1

Giving legitimacy to a Holocaust denier by offering them a platform is never a good idea. What a great gift to your enemies.

66 Thanos  10/27/07 4:46:51 pm reply quote 0

Is there a national org / headquarters? Someone needs to yank this chapters charter.

67 mama winger  10/27/07 4:47:03 pm reply quote 0

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68 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:47:03 pm reply quote 0

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69 infidel Alan  10/27/07 4:47:29 pm reply quote 0

The YAF has done good work over the years speaking out against the fascists of the left. Someone in YAF didn't do his homework and now the whole organization gets a black eye. They should apologize immediately. I notice that the protesters don't believe in free speech.

70 stevieray  10/27/07 4:47:48 pm reply quote 1

Okay... this is getting confusing. Now there are two YAF's?

Is Young America's Foundation the one that invited Robert Spencer to speak in DC a few months ago... the one who is regularly featured on C-SPAN?

Who is this other YAF? Is it a legitimate organization, or some fly-by-night political hanger-on?

71 MandyManners  10/27/07 4:47:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #66 Thanos

Is there a national org / headquarters? Someone needs to yank this chapters charter.

Ditto.

Later.

72 insanity police  10/27/07 4:48:06 pm reply quote 0

Nick Griffin Post-Event Press Release From YAF
For Immediate Release:
October 27, 2007

For More Information:
Kyle Bristow
Chairman,
MSU Young Americans for Freedom

Conservatives Assaulted After Speaker Shouted Down
Conservatives Chased by Violent Protesters with Baseball Bats

East Lansing, Mich. – Nick Griffin, the chairman of the British National Party, did not receive a pleasant welcome during his visit to Michigan State University on Friday. Countered by a mob of extremists, Griffin continually faced loud remarks and booing during his two-hour speech at the university.

After protesters disrupted America’s pledge of allegiance, Griffin constantly dealt with loud accusations of racism, baby killing and hatred. Throughout the event, Griffin was ignored and all questions relating to mass immigration were immediately shouted down and screamed upon. YAF chairman Kyle Bristow stated that he “was amazed at the level of savagery that occurred at a so-called institution of higher learning.” Video footage of the event is available upon request.

Upon exiting the building, YAF members were chased by a mob of extremists carrying baseball bats, canes and sticks. The mob shouted “let’s get them” as the YAF members ran towards safety.

Police reports have been filed and YAF is working with authorities; although the police have been little help in the past; Bristow hopes that Michigan State will stand up for free speech and civility on its campus. “Michigan State needs to defend free speech instead of promoting the hatred and intolerance of the Left. Griffin’s opposition claims to oppose fascism yet it seems that the fascists come from groups such as MEChA, La Raza, LGBT, and Students for Economic Justice. These organizations hate diversity, hate intellectual debate and do not tolerate anyone that does not think like them. YAF will not be intimidated and will continue to oppose left-wing fascism.”

The Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) is a conservative, non-partisan political organization that was founded on September 11, 1960. Former members of YAF include President Ronald Reagan, author Pat Buchanan, Congressmen Tom Tancredo and Dana Rohrabacher, Vice Presidents Dick Cheney and Dan Quayle, and actor John Wayne.

This is not the first time an event hosted by conservatives was disrupted at MSU. Last year, protesters disrupted a speech by Congressman Tom Tancredo and Minuteman Chris Simcox. Both of these events made national news.

73 shanec99  10/27/07 4:48:38 pm reply quote 0

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74 mama winger  10/27/07 4:48:45 pm reply quote 0

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75 psaturn  10/27/07 4:49:01 pm reply quote 0

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76 USBeast  10/27/07 4:49:39 pm reply quote 0

#61 MandyManners

Man, I feel like a total jerk.

You're lucky, Mandy. There's usually one around.

Me, I feel like another beer.

77 mama winger  10/27/07 4:50:26 pm reply quote 0

re: #73 shanec99

re: #67 mama winger

What is a clue bat?

[Link: www.thebackrow.net...]

:)

78 Mich-again  10/27/07 4:53:40 pm reply quote 0

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their home page hasn't been updated since the death of President Ronald Reagan. Looks like Kyle Bristow is flying solo.

79 Thanos  10/27/07 4:54:03 pm reply quote 0

Checking out to surf the paki papers:

BB's visiting her ancestral home, more beheadings in Swat, New army leader says he will wipe out extremism, earthquake kills one in Gilgit...

80 David IV of Georgia  10/27/07 4:54:17 pm reply quote 0

re: #14 mama winger

re: #11 MandyManners

It shows him with Newt Gingrich, Tom Tancredo, and some other apparently well-known conservatives.

He looks very young.

A public figure may get placed in situations where he is grouped with people whose ideology he detests. It is hard to "upset the applecart" and refuse to participate or distance oneself from the other. Sometimes he may not know the person's ideology until later. Most likely the public figure just hopes it will pass without being noticed.

As for the YAF knowingly hosting Nick Griffin, given his reputation, this only gives ammunition to the jihadis and terrorists.

81 insanity police  10/27/07 4:55:10 pm reply quote 0

re: #78 Mich-again

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their

82 mama winger  10/27/07 4:55:12 pm reply quote 0

re: #78 Mich-again

I don't think the YAF has a National Chapter. Their home page hasn't been updated since the death of President Ronald Reagan. Looks like Kyle Bristow is flying solo.

That could be a big part of the problem right there - no accountability, no guidance.

83 flawed_skull  10/27/07 4:58:52 pm reply quote 0

What a sad week. Another splinter in the Counterjihad alliance. What madness has befallen our comrades to tar themselves and the whole movement with the white supremacist label

84 shanec99  10/27/07 4:59:15 pm reply quote 0

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85 Dianna  10/27/07 4:59:46 pm reply quote 0
The YAF should apologize for this, and renounce any associations with the BNP or Griffin. It’s an indefensible move, and a gigantic mistake. Do the right thing, and distance yourselves now while you can still control the damage.

That pretty much covers it.

86 skippyMoment  10/27/07 5:00:38 pm reply quote 1

In the 50's, and even earlier, many good people here aligned themselves with the KKK because they promoted the ideals our nation was founded on, God, family values, and service to country. Hidden behind their rhetoric was the insidious racism against anyone that was not white, Anglo-Saxon and Protestant.

Many people were lulled into believing they were doing the right thing, until they learned the hard way what they had aligned themselves with. Getting out of the Klan, or speaking against the Klan resulted in crosses burned on lawns, houses fire-bombed, and people lynched or killed by other methods.

We CANNOT allow ourselves to walk down the same path with the new faces of racism no matter what beliefs they may share in common. We become tainted by the association and in this day and age, that only corrupts the vital message.

87 EC Marm  10/27/07 5:02:18 pm reply quote 2

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:

Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam.

Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


link
/future lizard!

88 shanec99  10/27/07 5:03:17 pm reply quote 0

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89 Stogiechomper  10/27/07 5:03:45 pm reply quote 1

re: #52 MandyManners

re: #41 Mich-again


The MSU YAF website links to the
90 RobCon  10/27/07 5:04:19 pm reply quote 0

You can bet that the turds at the BBC will be all over this in Britian and the World Service.

91 shanec99  10/27/07 5:06:02 pm reply quote 0

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92 Yank in the EU  10/27/07 5:08:20 pm reply quote 2

One of the important messages to come out of all this is that if we open our ranks to neo-Nazists, racists, and white supremacists the problem is not only that it's evil, but we will lose as a result. The small number of right wing extremists who may be very loud against Islam and really ready to belt out the visceral hatred against Muslims is not worth it. The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies. As I've said, it's one thing to ally with Stalin while actually fighting world war, and quite another to found a movement to save the culture with him, which brings his ideology and (lack of) morality into the mix.

On another point, we can explain factually how it happens that so many in Europe would might normally be moderates have come to defend white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers in the following way. The looming presence of Islamism and totally insane leftist PC structure in Europe leads a lot of people to seek out new political ways to save their culture, which is thoroughly dominate by leftism, state-run socialist media, leftist newspapers, leftist university programs about how opposing open immigration is 'racism', etc. Now, the far right has hated non-whites and especially Muslims for a very long time. So that puts them in an extraordinary position to say, "You see, we aren't racist at all -- we thing just like you -- and to co-opt a lot of these newcomers into agreeing with their white nationalist views. Hence, this is the effect of the terrible compromise: people finding themselves defending diabolical positions (e.g. 'a pure white ideology is not so bad') not because that is the core of their values, teaching, and life's thought, but because of the allegiance they have struck with a party they believe is their only hope for survival. I hope we all take a minute to reflect on the desperation contained in the decision to join the white nationalist party -- and to also reflect on the darkly ironic tragedy that it's not going to work because a movement that so lacks decency and righteousness will fail to gain support of the center of the nation.

93 Thanos  10/27/07 5:08:57 pm reply quote 0

OT:

ISLAMABAD: Former prime minister Benazir Bhutto says she will never surrender to militants.

“What I really need to ask myself is: do I give up, do I let the militants determine the agenda?” the Pakistan People’s Party chairwoman said in an interview with a foreign radio station.

“I’ve been having a party meeting and, believe me, the spirit amongst the party is one that I’m so proud of because they say we can’t let the militants dictate to us what’s going to happen, and that we have to try and save Pakistan by saving democracy. So my supporters are ready.”

She said there could be more attacks to come, but she and her party were determined to contest parliamentary elections in January. She said she had been warned that she would be targeted by four militant groups before returning to Pakistan after eight years in self-imposed exile.

Benazir said she was lucky to be alive following the two attacks on her homecoming rally on October 18 in Karachi. She said armed militants had targeted her and that she was saved by the bravery of her bodyguards.

The PPP chairwoman said she was at constant risk of another attack in the future, particularly during the election campaign.She said President Pervez Musharraf, had phoned her shortly after the October 18 attack and that she was not blaming the government for what had happened.

Karachi blasts: “I don’t believe the state or the government was involved in the attack on me,” she said.“But I do believe that sympathisers of militants had managed to infiltrate some of our agencies and some of our administrative apparatus in a new guise and that they abused their positions to give covert support to the militants, which is why controlling militancy has really not succeeded within the country.”

94 MattMacD  10/27/07 5:09:23 pm reply quote 0

re: #87 EC Marm

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:


Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam. Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


link
/future lizard!

Good letter.
Muslims who "fight islamophobia" instead of acknowledging the radical side of islam and standing against, blaming the media for reporting the news about what muslims in the world are doing (and most of it, by far, goes unreported anyway)... they are terrorist supporter.
Moderate muslims are like the "Muslims Against Sharia" group. Muslims who ally with far-left communist organisations to protest islamofacism awareness, are not moderate muslims.
(I guess if I really wanted to be strict with my definition of "moderate" muslim, it would be, the muslims who saw the violence in the quran and left islam :p)

95 Yank in the EU  10/27/07 5:10:39 pm reply quote 0

Damn: would = who

96 ornery elephant  10/27/07 5:12:03 pm reply quote 0

re: #87 EC Marm

Penn State (main campus) had Rick Santorum speak this week for IFAW. This is the first letter to the school newspaper that I've seen:


Many Muslims seemed to favor radical Islam
Before this week, I felt convinced that all Muslims don't sympathize with terrorism. I figured that out of 1.5 billion Muslims, very few actually sympathize and support radical Islam.
Things changed a bit after former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum's speech on Tuesday.

Santorum made a point of identifying that within Islam, there is the ideology of Islamo-Facism.


97 profitsbeard  10/27/07 5:15:29 pm reply quote 1

If you need allies this bad, why bother?

Tha Anti-Jihad cause should attract the best, not the bottomfeeders.

We're trying to preserve Civilization, not promote throwbacks.

Since Islam, itself, is Throwback Central, already.

Neo-nazis and fascist wannabes should join the Jihad and be honest about their true sympathies.

98 skippyMoment  10/27/07 5:15:43 pm reply quote 1

88 shanec99

Thanks for the not, but it's sis, not bro. ;-)

I often muse, what would I do if a cross was burning on my lawn, or if someone had a sword to my throat.

I truly believe what the bible says, that he who would seek to save his life will lose it, and he who loses his life (for HIS sake) will gain it.

Of course, until the time of testing, I won't really know. I'll fight to the best of my ability and defend my beliefs against evil of all kinds, but I really won't know until I'm tested. I hope I pass the test.

99 Yank in the EU  10/27/07 5:16:53 pm reply quote 0

Had to repost my comment with corrections:

One of the important messages to come out of all this is that if we open our ranks to neo-Nazists, racists, and white supremacists the problem is not only that it's evil, but we will lose as a result. The small number of right wing extremists who may be loud against Islam and ready to belt out visceral hatred against Muslims is not worth it. The movement will lose legitimacy in the eyes of great numbers of people whose concern is also decency in this war and chosing reliable, wise allies. As I've said, it's one thing to ally with Stalin while actually fighting a world war, and quite another to found a movement to save the culture with him, which brings his ideology and (lack of) morality into the mix.

On another point, we might explain how it happens that so many in Europe who might normally be moderates have come to defend white supremacists and Nazi sympathizers in the following way. The looming presence of Islamism and totally insane leftist PC structure in Europe leads a lot of people to seek out new political ways to save their culture, which is thoroughly dominated by leftism, state-run socialist media, leftist newspapers, leftist university programs about how opposing open immigration is 'racism', etc. Now, the far right has hated non-whites and especially Muslims for a very long time. So that puts them in an extraordinary position to say, "You see, we aren't racist at all -- we thin just like you!" -- and to co-opt a lot of these newcomers into agreeing with their white nationalist views. Hence, this is the effect of the terrible compromise and the dominance of socialism: people find themselves defending diabolical positions (e.g. 'a pure white ideology is not so bad'), not because that is the core of their values, teaching, and life's thought, but because of the allegiance they have struck with a party they believe is their only hope for survival. I hope we all take a minute to reflect on the desperation contained in the decision to join the white nationalist party -- and to also reflect on the darkly ironic tragedy that it's not going to work because a movement that so lacks decency and righteousness will fail to gain support of the center of the nation.

100 NJDhockeyfan  10/27/07 5:17:49 pm reply quote 0

LiveBlog: Nick Griffin speech at MSU Friday night


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After a march across campus, about 60 students opposed to Nick Griffin have entered the speaking location at the MSU Vet Med Clinic.

In attendance with Griffin who has just begun speaking is flanked by white supremacist Preston Wiginton.

Protesters are disrupting the speech from Griffin. Protesters are demanding to know about Griffin's "terrorist activities."
Nick Griffin just told protesters that he would "shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them."

"If we had American or Britain threatened by radical Christians I would speak against that too. There is not a clear and present danger," Griffin said.

Nick accused protesters of being "bused in from Detroit."

"I want to explain why people like you see me as a racist pig."

His explanation,"We don't believe we are better."

"We don't believe in integration. Integration is extermination."

"I have in the past said very rude things about the holocaust," Griffin said. "I have never denied it, and I do not doubt so many Jews were killed by the Nazis and the Allies."

"My credentials are I have a degree in history and law. I am significantly older than most of you are here, and I have spoken with many many Muslims," Griffin told the crowd to explain why he was qualified to talk about Muslims.

"Muslims gang rape women in Norway and other cultures. Only Muslims do this," Griffin said.

"I am not a Nazi," said Preston Wiginton when asked who he was. "I am just a person who loves my people. You are the ones being the fascists!"

"There's too much propaganda going on here, we need to end this," growled one protester.

"You seek to deny the white people of the world the right to collect in their own community and self determinations; then you are a racist," Griffin said.

"I have not been to Stormfront in a year," said Preston Wiginton to questions about his ties to the white supremacy website.

"People are genetically programmed to fight people who do not look like them," Griffin said.

The fire alarm has gone off; the university is not evacuating the building, nor have fire department personnel arrived on site. The speech continues over the sound of the fire alarm.

As Griffin finished speaking the fire alarm stopped. There was an orderly exit from the building; however, when four YAF members attempted to go to their car, they were chased by protesters who screamed, "Go get them!"

MSU police are searching the campus for these alleged assailants who were seen chasing YAF members into a parking ramp. Among the YAF members was Tyler Whitney, former chair of YAF's Western Michigan University chapter. No injuries are reported at this time. MSU police are escorting YAF members off campus.

101 gop_patriot  10/27/07 5:17:50 pm reply quote 0

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102 Sharmuta  10/27/07 5:18:05 pm reply quote 0

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103 Wm T Sherman  10/27/07 5:19:59 pm reply quote 0

Mr. Bristow's web site does not reflect well upon him. He comes across as something of a self-promoting Gumby. I suspect he's not going to distance himself from Griffen.

104 Thanos  10/27/07 5:21:12 pm reply quote 0

The other thing I'd say is that we are winning over time through persistence - our ranks our growing while CAIR's membership is shriveling.

We don't need to be desperate for allies.

105 Yank in the EU  10/27/07 5:21:33 pm reply quote 0

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106 ornery elephant  10/27/07 5:23:50 pm reply quote 0
107 NJDhockeyfan  10/27/07 5:25:31 pm reply quote 0

Row over suicide bomber TV drama

A POLITICAL row is threatening to break out over a Channel 4 drama depicting a young Muslim driven to become Britain’s first female suicide bomber, writes David Cracknell.

The two-part film, Britz, to be shown on Wednesday and Thursday, tries to explain what could lead a second-generation Muslim to turn against the country of her birth.

Britz has been made by Peter Kosminsky, the director of the 2002 political drama The Project. It suggests that Britain’s foreign policy and draconian antiterror laws, particularly control orders which keep some suspects in effect under house arrest, have alienated Muslims.

The film has already irritated some ministers and moderate Muslims. Khurshid Ahmed, chairman of the British Muslim Forum, said: “A film which attempts to glamorise or rationalise the actions of suicide bombers has no place on our screens. Channel 4 should be working with us to defeat terrorism and extremism, not sowing hate and division in our communities and reinforcing negative stereotypes.

A government source said: “Having seen extracts from the film and heard Mr Kosminsky’s comments, we can understand the British Muslim Forum’s concerns. Given Channel 4’s remit as a public service broadcaster, they should listen to the views of moderate Muslims who reject violence and extremism, and they should air those views alongside this film.” Channel 4 described Britz “balanced” and “sensitive”.

108 shanec99  10/27/07 5:25:59 pm reply quote 0

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109 gman  10/27/07 5:26:50 pm reply quote 0

No doubt this will be used as a tool against the counter- jihad movement. You better believe the government- supported media organizations in Europe will get a lot of mileage from this incident. If governments in Europe can label the counter- jihad, conservatives, and extreme right wingers as having shared goals and ideologies, they can promote more of their appeasement agenda and get away with it.

110 marwan's daughter  10/27/07 5:27:01 pm reply quote 0

re: #100 NJDhockeyfan

LiveBlog: Nick Griffin speech at MSU Friday night



...After a march across campus, about 60 students opposed to Nick Griffin have entered the speaking location at the MSU Vet Med Clinic.

In attendance with Griffin who has just begun speaking is flanked by white supremacist Preston Wiginton.

Protesters are disrupting the speech from Griffin. Protesters are demanding to know about Griffin's "terrorist activities."
Nick Griffin just told protesters that he would "shove homosexuals back in the closet and kill them."

"If we h