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Vlaams Belang Leader Interviewed

Tue, Oct 30, 2007 at 8:23:56 am PDT

An interview with Vlaams Belang party leader Filip DeWinter, at Shire Network News: Podcast Implodes.

Tom Paine sets it up, probably for the last time:

I’m afraid we have some bad news. For reasons which are detailed in the podcast, this is probably the final Shire Network News, certainly at least in it’s current format.

We seem to have gotten ourselves smack-dab in the middle of the Blog Civil War that’s going on, and we managed to get ourselves ripped apart by the gravitational forces. Yes, yes, we TRIED reversing the polarity through the deflector array, didn’t work.

In part, the reason why “Brian of London” and “Tom Paine” in Australia have come to truce and treaty and the parting of the ways is the subject of this weeks special and probably last feature interview.

It’s with Filip Dewinter, leader of the Valaams Belang, the Flemish nationalist party in Belgium. As many of you already know, there has been a great disturbance in the Blog recently over the counter-Jihad movement cooperating with the VB and other European parties with questionable antecedents, such as the Swedish Democrats.

Shire Network News was offered the chance to put the tough questions to the man himself. And so, like idiots, we did.

And then...well, listen for yourselves.

For myself, “Tom Paine”, now that we seem to be in the Blogosphere equivalent of the week that Fort Sumter was fired upon, I reckon on lighting out for the territories for a spell, I figure I’ll be back when this has all blown over. And I’m sure all of us wish Brian of London great success with his family in their new country.

And perhaps it might be worth remembering that there’s a real enemy out there, and it’s not each other, m’kay?

Download it now, before it disappears.

UPDATE at 10/30/07 8:54:05 am:

The Shire Network News server is getting slammed, so here’s a local copy:

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1 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:27:49 am reply quote 0

it wont load... it is getting stampeded.

2 itellu3times  10/30/07 8:29:17 am reply quote 0

Well, while y'all are overloading the video server, I'll make an OT here:

"Ron Paul Spammers" Targeted by UAB Spam Team
[Link: main.uab.edu...]

In the messages reviewed at UAB, emails were received from Brazil, El Salvador, Germany, Italy, Japan, Korea, the Netherlands, and Nigeria already this morning. In each case it was clear that the computer sending the message did not belong to the person who was listed in the "From" address. Such as a Houston resident, whose email was sent from a computer in Italy, or a Silicon Valley computer worker, whose email was sent from Korea.
3 cosmo  10/30/07 8:29:52 am reply quote 0

Gotta love the nod to Mr. Garrison.
The world would be better if Mr. Hand and Kathie Lee would play nice.

4 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:29:58 am reply quote 0

got it now

5 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:32:26 am reply quote 3
And perhaps it might be worth remembering that there’s a real enemy out there, and it’s not each other, m’kay?

My enemy is tyranny in any form.

6 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:33:53 am reply quote 0

I hope he asks him about that statue in his home

7 Ward Cleaver  10/30/07 8:35:05 am reply quote 0

Yes, they're getting hammered.

8 Charles  10/30/07 8:35:46 am reply quote 2

I have a copy of the mp3.

9 mama winger  10/30/07 8:35:57 am reply quote 0

I can't get it to download.

10 marwan's daughter  10/30/07 8:35:58 am reply quote 0

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11 Xevia  10/30/07 8:36:38 am reply quote 0

I can't get it to download either

12 mama winger  10/30/07 8:36:50 am reply quote 0

Still no

13 BrianA  10/30/07 8:37:01 am reply quote 0

Anyone have the jist of the podcast while we're waiting for this thing to load?

14 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:37:14 am reply quote 0

No worky!

Charles can you post an Mp3? He site is getting lizardlanched!

15 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:37:46 am reply quote 1

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16 realwest  10/30/07 8:37:48 am reply quote 0

Crap, I can't get it to open up, much less download! Is it in english Charles? Is it long? Can you provide a transcript or do you think
Tom Paine has a transcript we can weasel out of him (we of course meaning YOU!)?

18 ibrodsky  10/30/07 8:38:06 am reply quote 5

Thanks Charles for keeping to a steady course...

The whole point of fighting Islamization is to defend Western enlightenment--not throw it overboard.

19 Ward Cleaver  10/30/07 8:38:12 am reply quote 0

Mine's still on "getting file information".

Charles, is there a good "podcasts for dummies" primer on the Web? I just recently got a new phone with a 2Gb Micro SD card for music, and I want to use it to listen to podcasts like this (downloaded using my PC), and Hugh Hewitt interviews.

20 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:38:20 am reply quote 0

He's talking about Charles and LGF....

21 bianchi_roadie  10/30/07 8:38:35 am reply quote 3

I'm surprised how quickly this became an issue. I don't know if I should be pleased or frustrated. Pleased mostly because ideals seem to be winning out over "any enemy of my enemy is a friend" mindset that is all too common in political groups.

22 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:38:55 am reply quote 0

Brian of London was at the conference.....

23 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:39:46 am reply quote 0

dewinter denies they're neo-nazi- naturally

24 realwest  10/30/07 8:39:49 am reply quote 0

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25 Killgore Trout  10/30/07 8:40:08 am reply quote 0

"Problem loading page"

26 phoenixgirl  10/30/07 8:40:32 am reply quote 0

can't open it

27 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:41:14 am reply quote 1

Tom Paine is asking about the amnesty for nazi collaborators....

28 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:41:42 am reply quote 0

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29 realwest  10/30/07 8:41:56 am reply quote 2

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30 realwest  10/30/07 8:42:28 am reply quote 0

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31 Charles  10/30/07 8:42:29 am reply quote 4

I'm going to listen in a few minutes and possibly post it here.

32 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:42:38 am reply quote 1

He asks about the amnesty again!

33 Dirk Diggler  10/30/07 8:42:41 am reply quote 0

Anybody got a transcript or synopsis? This podcast is not loading for me.

34 TheUnrepentantGeek  10/30/07 8:43:01 am reply quote 0

Charles, any chance you could host the file here? Perhaps with permission and a plug? They're absolutely slammed.

I really enjoyed SNN ... sad to see it go, and I'd at least like to know what happened.

35 Killgore Trout  10/30/07 8:43:07 am reply quote 0

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36 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:43:16 am reply quote 2

Oh! It's okay because the soviets did it?!

37 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:43:16 am reply quote 0

ask him about the statue

38 Terp Mole  10/30/07 8:43:50 am reply quote 0

In other interview news: Budding journalist meets "God thing";

Daily Texan: A Rather englightening[sic] experience

...After I gathered my bearings and settled into my window seat, I realized out of the corner of my eye that Dan Rather, remarkably one of the most visible and well-known journalists of the 20th century, was sitting directly next to me reading The New York Times.

I knew that it was no coincidence that I, an aspiring journalist, was sitting next to such an expert. I like to call situations like that a "God thing." I couldn't pass up the chance to have a conversation with him... I felt as if my body was floating above me, looking down and asking, "Is this really happening?"

Naturally, "God thing" offers a private interview w/ the charming young co-ed;

...he did write down his contact information which, by the way, I will not exploit. That stays between Mr. Rather and me.

He wrote down the names of three books he insisted I read. He encouraged me to read "Golden Girl" because it is the life story of Jessica Savitch, a female journalist who "lost her way." He gave me a jab and said that one of his suggested books is grim, "but it's no Harry Potter."

He was candid, intelligent and spoke to me as though we weren't 54 years apart in age.

In light of his recent media attention, I wanted to share my encounter with Dan Rather. The next time I am in New York, I sure as hell plan to take him up on his offer to show me around his office, and, who knows, maybe he'll offer me a job (yeah right).

... or maybe "God Thing" will offer "a position on his staff"? ...if you know what I mean... and I think you do...

Creepy that whole Jessica Savitch reference.

39 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:43:53 am reply quote 0

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40 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:44:11 am reply quote 1

His excuse is contrived. He's obfuscating on amnesty...

41 Ma Sands  10/30/07 8:44:18 am reply quote 0

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42 Ben Hur  10/30/07 8:44:30 am reply quote 0

I don't speak Swedish.

43 realwest  10/30/07 8:44:48 am reply quote 0

THis is KILLING ME! I just timed out on trying to get the Podcast and have no effin' clue as to what's being said.
Damnit!

44 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  10/30/07 8:44:51 am reply quote 0

linky no worky

45 americanpundit  10/30/07 8:45:04 am reply quote 0

The server's getting absolutely slammed right now...

46 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:45:17 am reply quote 2

He's trying to say people who committed war crimes- but the platform says full amnesty to all, doesn't it?

47 Yank in the EU  10/30/07 8:45:30 am reply quote 2

I hope they ask him, as did Haaretz, if VB members still celebrate the memory of Nazi collaborator in the Holocaust, Gustave DeClercq.

What about his open support for the NPD, BNP, Le Pen and his FN, and Joerg Haider, the open Nazi sympathizer?

What about his appeals to the white nationalist ideology and attempts to bring the "White Power" crowd into the alliance?

48 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:45:59 am reply quote 0

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49 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:46:51 am reply quote 0

Tom Paine is not letting him off the hook on collaborators.

50 Ben Hur  10/30/07 8:47:11 am reply quote 0

One-legged Lithuanian lesbians.

The new Jews.

Now all they have to do is kill 3000 people in a terrorist attack and they'll finally get the props that have been denied to one-legged Lithuanian lesbians for hundreds of years.

Don't be a one-legged Luthuanina lesbianaphobe!

Stop the hate!

[Link: politics.guardian.co.uk...]

51 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:47:28 am reply quote 0

Damn- now he has. dewinter's answer is BS.

52 realwest  10/30/07 8:47:34 am reply quote 0

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53 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:47:39 am reply quote 2

His tongue digs his grave.

I would love a transcript, sans the stuttering.

54 marwan's daughter  10/30/07 8:48:02 am reply quote 0

Someone please post a transcript after you are done listening.

55 realwest  10/30/07 8:48:33 am reply quote 0

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56 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:48:37 am reply quote 0

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57 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:48:41 am reply quote 0

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58 Shemesh  10/30/07 8:49:38 am reply quote 0

re: #51 Sharmuta

Damn- now he has. dewinter's answer is BS.

Please give a summary when you're done listening. Like many here I can't get it to load.

Thanx.

59 Yank in the EU  10/30/07 8:49:46 am reply quote 0

re: #48 WriterMom

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60 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:49:50 am reply quote 1

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61 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:51:03 am reply quote 1

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62 realwest  10/30/07 8:51:18 am reply quote 0

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63 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:51:43 am reply quote 1

Tom Paine brought in Ayaan & Pim's opinion of the party.

64 Golem Akbar  10/30/07 8:51:49 am reply quote 3

Can't get it. However, if the VB/SD folks agree to disavow racism, Nazism, violence, mass deportations, etc., and perhaps even change their name (keeping the taint at arm's length), then I'm okay with them. Otherwise, no no and no. I don't trust them.

It has nothing to do with purity or any such thing. Anti-Islamofascism is not anti-Muslim or anti anything but anti-fascist. An alliance with fascists who are opposed to Islamofascism is still an alliance with fascists.

65 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:52:21 am reply quote 5

There's a hellified storm rising in Europe. GOD help them.... GOD help us all.

66 realwest  10/30/07 8:52:46 am reply quote 1

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67 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:52:52 am reply quote 0

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68 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:53:07 am reply quote 0

He's asking him about the quotes Charles put up.....

69 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:53:40 am reply quote 1

He's trying to explain away "white europe".

70 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:54:08 am reply quote 1

Sounds like Tom Paine has been reading LGF.

71 Shemesh  10/30/07 8:54:18 am reply quote 1

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72 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:54:34 am reply quote 0

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73 Charles  10/30/07 8:54:37 am reply quote 3

I've posted the interview above, with our audio player.

74 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:55:14 am reply quote 2

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75 realwest  10/30/07 8:55:28 am reply quote 0

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76 Owl  10/30/07 8:55:34 am reply quote 2

Thanks Charles! You rock, man.

77 Yank in the EU  10/30/07 8:55:45 am reply quote 1

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78 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:56:04 am reply quote 0

Charles-Yank in the EU posted a great link @59.

79 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:56:41 am reply quote 0

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80 jcm  10/30/07 8:56:47 am reply quote 0

re: #65 BabbaZee

There's a hellified storm rising in Europe. GOD help them.... GOD help us all.

God help us all! Amen. And we all thought Europe got over it's habit of war every other generation.

81 BabbaZee  10/30/07 8:57:11 am reply quote 4

The answers he gives to certain questions are not answers to the questions asked at all, totally dissembling and diversionary.
Also part of his MO is he rambles at length to get the listener to forget the question has been deflected.

I wish this guy would ask about the statue

82 realwest  10/30/07 8:57:12 am reply quote 0

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83 Shemesh  10/30/07 8:58:03 am reply quote 1

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84 Sharmuta  10/30/07 8:58:16 am reply quote 2

Now he's discussing muslim immigration issues- so he sounds "reasonable" at this point.

85 stvip  10/30/07 8:58:23 am reply quote 2

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86 jcm  10/30/07 8:58:24 am reply quote 0

re: #82 realwest

re: #73 Charles ? Where above?!

Reload page.

87 WriterMom  10/30/07 8:58:48 am reply quote 0

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88 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  10/30/07 8:58:57 am reply quote 0

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89 Just_A_Grunt  10/30/07 9:00:07 am reply quote -1

At what point in the discussion should I insert a reference to "The Lost Book of Nostradamus" which seems to indicate a project completion date of 2010 - 2012 for the Armageddon Project?
/Guess I just did.

90 BrianA  10/30/07 9:00:26 am reply quote 0

Pamela will be on with Capt. Ed discussing the Brussels conference, 3PM EST. You can call in and ask her what she thinks of the podcast.

Heading Right Radio

91 realwest  10/30/07 9:01:01 am reply quote 0

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92 jcm  10/30/07 9:01:01 am reply quote 0

re: #89 Just_A_Grunt

At what point in the discussion should I insert a reference to "The Lost Book of Nostradamus" which seems to indicate a project completion date of 2010 - 2012 for the Armageddon Project?
/Guess I just did.

Does he have this weeks lottery numbers?

93 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:01:23 am reply quote 2

"We should keep those colors out of europe"!

Woops! I think the mask slipped again.

94 americanpundit  10/30/07 9:01:43 am reply quote 0
#91 realwest

You have to reload the entire page, not just the comments.

95 BabbaZee  10/30/07 9:01:50 am reply quote 0

shit

he didn't ask him about the statue

96 blue_like_jazz  10/30/07 9:03:58 am reply quote 0

REAL! reload the whole page... it's there.

97 realwest  10/30/07 9:04:15 am reply quote 0

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98 Owl  10/30/07 9:04:53 am reply quote 0

re: #92 jcm

re: #89 Just_A_Grunt


At what point in the discussion should I insert a reference to
100 lawhawk  10/30/07 9:07:07 am reply quote 0

OT:

Media hysterics over dam problems in Mosul. Problems that have been known to the Iraqis since Saddam built the thing in 1984.

101 Shemesh  10/30/07 9:07:36 am reply quote 2

Bye, bye VB and good riddance!

102 Charles  10/30/07 9:07:47 am reply quote 5

re: #95 BabbaZee

shit

he didn't ask him about the statue

I think this interview was done before I posted the statue video.

If you read between the lines of what Tom Paine posted, it sounds like he was pressured not to release this. I can see why.

103 cookielady  10/30/07 9:08:01 am reply quote 2

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104 NJDhockeyfan  10/30/07 9:08:02 am reply quote 0

OT:

Palestinian tunnellers were Army of Islam: police

ISMAILIA, Egypt (Reuters) - Three Palestinians caught entering Egypt through a tunnel from Gaza this month are members of an al Qaeda-inspired group who planned to enter Israel to carry out suicide attacks, police sources said on Tuesday.

The sources said the men told police they were from the Palestinian group Army of Islam, which kidnapped BBC journalist Alan Johnston in Gaza in March and took part in the abduction of an Israeli soldier last year.

One of the three men was caught wearing explosives around his waist and the group also had other explosives and hand grenades, the sources said, speaking on customary condition of anonymity.

105 Ben Hur  10/30/07 9:09:04 am reply quote 1

'60 Minutes:' U.S. Military as Bad as Taliban

Look at that picture.

It's like they don't even try to hide their hidden messages anymore.

106 blue_like_jazz  10/30/07 9:09:08 am reply quote 0

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107 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:09:14 am reply quote 2

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108 Kragar (Proud to be Kafir)  10/30/07 9:10:42 am reply quote 0

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109 BabbaZee  10/30/07 9:11:00 am reply quote 0

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110 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:12:33 am reply quote 2

The platform also has no distinction between secular muslims and islamists.

111 Shemesh  10/30/07 9:12:49 am reply quote 5

re: #107 Sharmuta

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112 WriterMom  10/30/07 9:13:31 am reply quote 0

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113 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:13:33 am reply quote 0

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114 Ben Hur  10/30/07 9:14:26 am reply quote 0

Um...there are no "interpretations" of the Koran.

That's the whole point.

There are no denominations like in Christianity. Too many to list.

Or Judaism - Hassid/Orthodox/Modern Orthodox/Conservative/Reformed/Reconstructionalist /and your out and out upside down pound cake.

Read Irshad Manji.

115 Ben Hur  10/30/07 9:15:24 am reply quote 0

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116 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:15:25 am reply quote 2

dewinter says neo-nazi presence in europe is "very small". Uh-huh.

/Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!

117 WriterMom  10/30/07 9:15:36 am reply quote 1
I believe in cultures and values and our way of life...

I'm ok with that-as long as it excludes Nazis.

118 beens21  10/30/07 9:15:37 am reply quote 0

[Link: www.dallasnews.com...] bizarro world.Silence! I sue you.

119 TheUnrepentantGeek  10/30/07 9:15:44 am reply quote 0

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120 cookielady  10/30/07 9:16:12 am reply quote 0

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121 realwest  10/30/07 9:16:40 am reply quote 0

AH, he wants amnesty for collaberators so we can forget (and forgive? coulnd't hear well) the past. Also love the way he refers to the National Socialist "movement" and the "Germans"; why not just Nazi's?

122 Killgore Trout  10/30/07 9:16:44 am reply quote 6

The real money question for me is at 14:00. When asked about Ayaan and Charles' questions about Vlaams he says we should ignore those who are trying to demonise us and unite against Jihad.

"look over there!"

123 Yank in the EU  10/30/07 9:17:06 am reply quote 10

One of the revelations to come out through all of this is that many people in Europe who support fighting Islamism also support concepts of identity and nationalism that include an element of the white race. That's what a lot of this furor is about -- they are outraged at being charged with racism for what is, plainly, a racial ideology. The common response is to issue insults about Americans' ignorance and to charge that we are doing the same thing as the multiculti left, but that is fallacious reasoning. We have seen open defenses of this idea of racial nationalism by Fjordman, people at Brussels Journal, Gates of Vienna, etc; it is this deeply problematic ideology (which can often take very benign forms among all human cultures) that many of us staunchly reject and claim it will discredit and delegitimize the anti-Islamization cause. For instance, Brussels Journal has a piece up today that endorses the BNP and defends in one passage the racialist ideology.

124 Sharmuta  10/30/07 9:17:46 am reply quote 0

Q: What would you say to people who has concerns?

A: They shouldn't be concerned about vlaams belang.

Naturally!

125 stvip  10/30/07 9:17:49 am reply quote -9

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126 BabbaZee  10/30/07 9:18:01 am reply quote 0
Yes, yes, we TRIED reversing the polarity through the deflector array, didn’t work.

I know just how you feel, Thomas Paine.
Thank you for doing this interview.

and now,
to a desperately needed nap.

127 astronmr20  10/30/07 9:18:05 am reply quote 1

re: #99 Ben Hur

Iraqi Troops Donate $1000 to California Wildfire Aid, Media Mum

WOW.

And double-wow that it's not in the MSM...

128 Golem Akbar  10/30/07 9:18:41 am reply quote 9

Pamela and others better watch their backs. The warning signs are all there. This does not bode well for Europe. The rising tide of Islamofascism is being met with a rising tide of another kind of fascism in Europe. LGF is anti-fascist. Period.

Now is the time to find the other European anti-fascists and begin a good dialogue with them. Not SD or VB.

129 Ben Hur  10/30/07 9:18:51 am reply quote 0

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130 The Other Les  10/30/07 9:19:05 am reply quote 2

I have a number of things to say about those who reject the Society of Consent (and with it the legal equality of all persons) in favor of a system where some enjoy a superior status that allows them to exploit others.

And this applies to Marxists and Muslims as well as to Racial Supremacists.

I think some folks feel a need to feel superior to us mere mortals, but since they are not the creative or productive kind of person they must then resort to inventing a fantasy in the place of the commonly perceived reality.

And because we mere mortals reject the fantasies of the self-appointed superior beings they must in turn reject the society of consent and attempt to create a regime of coercion with themselves in charge, and to pursue destruction in the place of real positive achievement. But to accept reality as being real would not allow these people to pretend that they are some manner of superior person.

Especially when they are doing something that is totally depraved. Therefore they need to denigrate their victims, those persons, groups, or nations who are actually rational and good.


and...

A right of the individual is a restraint upon the powers of government and society as a whole. Which is perfectly all right for those of us who are rational and productive. But to those who irrationally choose parasitism as their mode of existence an individual right is like staring at the muzzle of a shotgun that is aimed at their own heads.

Because a rational individual cannot be expected to willfully consent to having a parasite living continually at their expense, the parasite must resort to force and fraud in order to sustain its own life.

Thus the parasite tend to favor dictatorships, with a fully functional apparatus of censorship and repression, over free societies with governments that are accountable to the citizens.

To the parasite, power over the productive is life.

Any restraint on that power -- be it the freedom of speech and press, the rights to self defense and to bear arms, or the process of democratic election -- is a danger to the parasite's continued existence. Thus the parasite must oppose tyrranicide, the liberation of the oppressed peoples, and the establishment of free republics.


and (speaking of Marxist but this apply to the VB)...

They have an idea, it is to replace the society of social and economic consent that we live in with the social and economic primacy of the parasites over the productive. Or as their primary philosophical source (and founding trustifarian) put it, "from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs." And as there is no limit to the needs of the parasite masters there will be no limit on the burdens imposed on the productive slaves.

Poison is poison no matter how much grape flavoring one adds to it. They cannot avoid knowing that their ideal society is toxic to us and thus have no effective choice but to attack the opposition on trivial issues in order to head off a public examination of their basic ideological premises.

Political ideology is basically a means of giving the appearance of positive virtue to actions that are morally intolerable to the victims.