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Vlaams Belang and the US White Supremacist Cesspool

Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 1:45:59 pm PDT

One of the most troubling and disturbing things about the Vlaams Belang controversy (that erupted when I raised questions about the Belgian far-right party’s participation in the counter-jihad movement) is the incredible amount of support for the Vlaams Belang among US white power and neo-Nazi groups.

Researching this issue, I’ve discovered literally hundreds of pro-Vlaams Belang messages posted at sites like Stormfront and Vanguard News (both White Power sites), and at the web site of David Duke. This isn’t guilt by association, either; if the Vlaams Belang had honestly and sincerely repudiated these kinds of views, there would not be any support for the VB among these knuckle-dragging freaks.

You certainly won’t find any support for Little Green Footballs in that crowd, because I have made it abundantly clear that I do not share their mental illnesses, and I don’t want anything to do with them. In fact, LGF is universally despised by them.

Out of these many associations, here’s one that’s especially noxious; in February of this year, Vlaams Belang leaders Filip DeWinter and Frank Vanhecke appeared on a radio show called “The Political Cesspool” (a very apt title), promoted at the web site of notorious white supremacist David Duke.

Pulling on my hip boots and wading into “The Political Cesspool” radio show, I discovered a real viper’s nest of white supremacism and race hatred; the online archives of their show read like a who’s who of White Power nuts, Holocaust deniers, and antisemites that you have to see for yourself to really believe.

On the show’s official web site, at the bottom of the page, you’ll discover links to two of the most notorious hate groups in the US: the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review, and the white supremacist group Council of Conservative Citizens:

From a March 4, 2007 post at the Political Cesspool site, here’s a partial list of the people who often appear on their show:

Gordon Lee Baum, Esq., Peter Brimelow, Filip DeWinter, Dr. David Duke, Paul Fromm, Peter Gemma, Joel LeFevre, Dr. Wayne Lutton, Dr. Kevin MacDonald, Michael Peroutka, Rev. Ted Pike, Larry Pratt, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Kyle Rogers, Dr. Tomislav Sunic, Jared Taylor and Frosty Wooldridge.

What do all of these men have in common? They’ve all been guests on The Political Cesspool during the last six weeks - and these are just a few of the luminaries we’ve had the honor of hosting! But, much more than just merely bringing you the most powerful voices of our movement, we actively battle and are unafraid to name the enemies of our shared Cause.

I hadn’t heard of many of those people before this, but after researching them on the web I needed a long hot shower to feel clean again. Look them up for yourself; don’t take my word for it.

The real point behind all this is that letting the counter-jihad movement be tainted by association with groups like the Vlaams Belang is simply not smart. It’s counter-productive in the worst way, because Americans will not support a movement that can be tied to groups with racist and Nazi pasts. I happen to believe it’s also morally wrong. And I don’t believe Filip DeWinter’s smooth evasions, any more than I believe Tariq Ramadan’s.

Exit question: if I had ever appeared on a radio show like this, how much slack do you think I would get from other bloggers and the media in general? And even more to the point: why are so many counter-jihad bloggers willing to cut DeWinter, Vanhecke, and the Vlaams Belang so much slack, despite all these indications that something isn’t right?

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1 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/31/07 1:47:19 pm 0
2 bald headed geek  10/31/07 1:47:22 pm reply quote 1

Do the Ron Paul freaks know about this yet? They don't like Jews too much, either...........

BHG

3 newton  10/31/07 1:51:21 pm reply quote 3

Good points, Charles. I'm against the Islamo-fascists, but I could never associate myself with a Nazis, KKK or bigots of any kind.

I hope people become smart enough to kick those pests out of any relation with the counter-jihadists. They do all of us more harm than good. People of all ethnic backgrounds believe in stopping this wave of enslavement. Let's not give it any more reason to advance!

4 marwan's daughter  10/31/07 1:51:49 pm reply quote 6

Thanks for wading in the sewage for us Charles. On one hand, an American university has this indoctrination program that says ALL whites are racists and must be "re-educated". On the other hand, there's the other extreme exemplified by David Duke, Stormfront, Vlaams Belang, the BNP and other bastards. How do you keep your head?

5 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/31/07 1:51:50 pm 0
6 chinesearithmetic  10/31/07 1:52:42 pm reply quote 0

Gotta cull the herd. But don't hull the Kurd.

7 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 1:52:45 pm reply quote 9

We also have to be careful not to indulge in hatred directed at all Muslims. Regardless of the problems we have with Islam as an ideology, lumping 1.2 billion people together and calling them evil is little better than what the KKK says about blacks.

8 taxfreekiller  10/31/07 1:53:07 pm reply quote 2

OT
sort of, but a good thing against hate nut cases.

The Phelps Family of anti gay nut cases who act bad at our Fighting Mens services .

GUILTY, $2.9 M in compensatory damages and more to come in punitive damages,
much more than all the members of the Church's net worth.

9 PatFromGermany  10/31/07 1:54:21 pm reply quote 2

"tainted"

that's exactly what these people do. they taint. they undermine the legitimacy of pro freedom (counter jihad) people as found here on LGF and at so many places throughout the web.

Charles,
I admire your stance on this topic. I couldn't agree more. (Where do I sign)

Nazis hopping on the bandwagon, since nobody actually gives a flying !""§$ about them anymore. Transparent intentions really.

10 Thanos  10/31/07 1:54:25 pm reply quote 3

I've been trolling the white power hate sites in Europe, and you will see the same adoration of VB, BNP, and SD there as well.

11 zmdavid  10/31/07 1:54:32 pm reply quote 1

re:

12 Sponge  10/31/07 1:55:15 pm reply quote 2
You certainly won’t find any support for Little Green Footballs in that crowd, because I have made it abundantly clear that I do not share their mental illnesses, and I don’t want anything to do with them. In fact, LGF is universally despised by them.

Well, that's because we're a left wing hate site......

13 insanity police  10/31/07 1:55:36 pm reply quote 5

The Institute for Historical Review is anti-semitic? U of Oregon doesn't care.

Great report Charles! You take a lot of heat for taking this moral position, and you deserve a lot of credit. it would be far too easy to avoid this controversy altogether.

14 Diamond Bullet  10/31/07 1:55:41 pm reply quote 1

OT, but I would like to note for the record that I finally received a reply back from the crack PR squad manning the Mosque Formerly Known As The Empire State Building. And it only took them 20 days to craft this astonishingly insightful response!

================================================== ===========
The Empire State Building - Official Website - Message Confirmation
================================================== ===========
Thank you for contacting us. Your message has been sent to one of our representatives
Details------------------Message Tracking Number: 443951Directed To: 5. Public Relations
Subject: Decision to honor militant Islam
Submitted: Oct 11, 2007 10:20:27 AM------------------ You will receive an e-mail notification when we respond to your message. Sincerely,The Empire State Building - Official Website ------------------

15 Fran Porretto  10/31/07 1:55:51 pm reply quote 0

What is "white supremacism," as the commenters here understand it? I'm trying to get a feel for the most prevalent interpretation of that phrase.

16 meMarc  10/31/07 1:56:13 pm reply quote 1

"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.

17 FQ Kafir  10/31/07 1:56:32 pm reply quote 3

I think some people are so desperate for a movement to take on the radical muslims that they become credulous towards their cause.

18 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 1:56:34 pm reply quote 3

Wow, notice how in the screenshot of Duke's Web page, the "0" in "EURO" is a Celtic cross, the white power symbol.

And Pamela wants to ally with these people? Not good.

19 debutaunt  10/31/07 1:56:56 pm reply quote 0

7 Pro-Bush Canuck 10/31/07 1:52:45 pm reply quote report 0

We also have to be careful not to indulge in hatred directed at all Muslims. Regardless of the problems we have with Islam as an ideology, lumping 1.2 billion people together and calling them evil is little better than what the KKK says about blacks.

When we try to single out the Islamofascists, it seems to create a sound basis for calling them evil. Then we're told the act of doing that is discriminatory. We aren't allowed to state our case. Hmmmmmm.
re:

20 EC Marm  10/31/07 1:57:15 pm reply quote 1
why are so many counter-jihad bloggers willing to cut DeWinter, Vanhecke, and the Vlaams Belang so much slack, despite all these indications that something isn’t right?


I guess IF it was my perception that this was the final battle and it was either my life or those that have pronounced their desire to see me dead, I'd let a neo-Nazi climb in the trench with me and help me in the fight. Perhaps some Europeans see current events as the final battle. My belief is that this is going to be more on the line of a 100 years war. No need to court the extremist element. Yet.

21 avirus  10/31/07 1:57:36 pm reply quote -1

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

22 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 1:58:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #16 meMarc

"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.

Wow, Gary Puckett? I liked his stuff when I was a kid.

Now he can rewite their song, "Willpower (it's now or never)", and change it to "White Power (it's now or never)".

23 Ed Mahmoud's Sock Puppet  10/31/07 1:58:29 pm reply quote 0

OT

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24 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/31/07 1:58:40 pm 1
25 insanity police  10/31/07 1:58:45 pm reply quote 10

re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.

26 Truumax  10/31/07 1:58:54 pm reply quote 0

I'm predicting that the defense is going to be a bunch of people screaming "guilty by association".

Because the VB couldn't possibly know what kind of shows they accept invitations from.

They probably just read just read the initials PC, and thought "oh, perfect."

27 Thanos  10/31/07 1:59:24 pm reply quote 2

I can sense the pressure Charles is under from his stance, normally his posts are a lot more concise than this. I fully support where he is at. It's all about Liberty vs. Tribalism. You see all these hot spots around the world, and when you look close enough you see a tribe, and people seeking power behind them.

It's luddism vs. modernity, creativity vs. conformism, dynamism vs. stasism -- and stasists invariably become statists.

28 maddogg  10/31/07 1:59:53 pm reply quote 1

Well, since the leftards now proclaim ALL white people racist, must we now come up with a new word for white supremacists? Maybe degrees of racist? I mean, I'm a little confused.....

29 meMarc  10/31/07 2:00:21 pm reply quote 1

Prussian Blue has also been on the aptly named Political Cesspool.

30 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:01:10 pm reply quote 1

re: #8 taxfreekiller

OT
sort of, but a good thing against hate nut cases.

The Phelps Family of anti gay nut cases who act bad at our Fighting Mens services .

GUILTY, $2.9 M in compensatory damages and more to come in punitive damages,
much more than all the members of the Church's net worth.

That's great news, tfk. Maybe the plaintiffs can seize Phelps's property and bulldoze it.

31 Piglet-U93  10/31/07 2:01:53 pm reply quote 2

The lesser evil compromise scenario. A old trap we should not fall into. This is not a presidential election. This is a matter of western civilization's survival, intact that is.

32 neocon  10/31/07 2:02:11 pm reply quote 1

Brimelow is a founder of the VDARE anti-immigration group; these are, more or less, despicable "let's keep America white" types. Paul Craig Roberts is an economist who is quite an Israel-basher. Haven't heard of most of the others.

I agree 100% that we need to draw a sharp line between honorable anti-Islamofascists and these racist hate-mongers (many of whom, interestingly enough, are sympathetic to their Muslim hate-mongering friends).

33 Thanos  10/31/07 2:02:56 pm reply quote 3

re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

I disagree -- as long as Charles and others are catching flack over this stance it must continue.

34 gyanai  10/31/07 2:02:59 pm reply quote 2

moral clarity

thanks charles, for your sharp moral clarity.

35 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:03:01 pm reply quote 0

re: #19 debutaunt

7 Pro-Bush Canuck 10/31/07 1:52:45 pm reply quote report 0

We also have to be careful not to indulge in hatred directed at all Muslims. Regardless of the problems we have with Islam as an ideology, lumping 1.2 billion people together and calling them evil is little better than what the KKK says about blacks.

When we try to single out the Islamofascists, it seems to create a sound basis for calling them evil. Then we're told the act of doing that is discriminatory. We aren't allowed to state our case. Hmmmmmm.
re:

36 Highrise  10/31/07 2:03:32 pm reply quote 1

re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

This site wouldn't exist if it operated off the ignore principle.

Don't bet on pamela and co coming around to their senses.

This needs EXPOSURE.

37 Charles  10/31/07 2:03:51 pm reply quote 1

re: #16 meMarc

"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.

Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.

38 Render  10/31/07 2:03:59 pm reply quote 1

re:

39 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:04:21 pm reply quote 0

re: #15 Fran Porretto

What is "white supremacism," as the commenters here understand it? I'm trying to get a feel for the most prevalent interpretation of that phrase.

It encompasses all kinds of crap, like the Christian Identity movement. They believe that the original inhabitants of the Holy Land were Aryans, and that the Jews went in and stole their land. That's one example.

40 Thanos  10/31/07 2:04:30 pm reply quote 1

re: #30 Ward Cleaver

re: #8 taxfreekiller


OT
sort of, but a good thing against hate nut cases.

The Phelps Family of anti gay nut cases who act bad at our Fighting Mens services .

GUILTY, $2.9 M in compensatory damages and more to come in punitive damages,
much more than all the members of the Church's net worth.


That's great news, tfk. Maybe the plaintiffs can seize Phelps's property and bulldoze it.

Maybe they will move to Flanders.

41 albusteve  10/31/07 2:04:32 pm reply quote 0

re: #31 Piglet-U93

The lesser evil compromise scenario. A old trap we should not fall into. This is not a presidential election. This is a matter of western civilization's survival, intact that is.

ECMarm is right tho...you should consider that pov

43 Highrise  10/31/07 2:05:21 pm reply quote 1

I frankly am surprised that anyone can look at the party platform and the last interview that was just done and see this differently than what has been printed at LGF to further give us info into this matter.

Europe, root these jokers out or don't count on the free west to help.

44 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:05:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #37 Charles

re: #16 meMarc


"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.

Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.

Yeah, I remember that. I always assumed that the "young girl" was a teenager. I have it on an LP (original release) somewhere.

45 debutaunt  10/31/07 2:06:04 pm reply quote 0

re:

46 marwan's daughter  10/31/07 2:06:21 pm reply quote -1

I'm surprised the f-bomb still has his account.

47 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:07:08 pm reply quote 0

Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl,
You're much too young girl
With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe
You're old enough
To give me Love
And now it hurts to know the truth, Oh,

Beneath your perfume and make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know
That it is wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes, Oh,

So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
'Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far, Oh,
Young girl

48 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:07:28 pm reply quote 0

re: #46 marwan's daughter

I'm surprised the f-bomb still has his account.

Well, as long as he doesn't cross the wrong line, he's still here.

49 mama winger  10/31/07 2:07:35 pm reply quote 7
why are so many counter-jihad bloggers willing to cut DeWinter, Vanhecke, and the Vlaams Belang so much slack, despite all these indications that something isn’t right?


- Charles

I have been giving this a lot of thought. Here is what I have come up with:

For many years, ever since 9-11, those of us who have been concerned about the spread of islamofascism have been mobilizing to fight the jihad on every level, at every turn. We have named the enemy, scouted him, researched him, and combated him when necessary. We have assured one another that we are in this together, and we will fight jihadists no matter what it takes,

We have said to ourselves that other interests are secondary to this cause and can be addressed when and if islamofascism is dealt its final blows. To this end, we have urged one another to put other issues on the back burner, and have militarized ourselves against this one foe.

Now we see there are other foes, other evils, and we CAN NOT necessarily do as we have said we will do. That is, make a deal with the devil himself if we have to in order to fight against radical islam. (I know we have said this, because I have said it too.)

The rhetoric has hit reality. And it is uncomfortable.

50 treesarie  10/31/07 2:08:01 pm reply quote 1

Why are so many counter-jihad bloggers willing to cut DeWinter, Vanhecke, and the Vlaams Belang so much slack, despite all these indications that something isn’t right?

Denial is a powerful, defense mechanism.

51 harmless  10/31/07 2:08:07 pm reply quote 0

Like the Islamists, the neo-Nazis are getting better at hiding their real intent and getting support by attaching themselves to other groups' bandwagons. The BNP's support in the UK was virtually dead when they harped on about blacks, but now they've switched to anti-Muslim and anti-immigration and, worryingly, their support is rising. How fast people forget.

OT, did anyone have a laugh at the "1,000,000 Strong For Stephen T Colbert" facebook group going three times the size of Obama's? I just hope Ron Paul's mob don't get the idea, otherwise we'll have the "Same 12 Posters Posting 1,000,000 Times Strong for Ron Paul" group!

52 avirus  10/31/07 2:08:17 pm reply quote -7

re: #25 insanity police

re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.

Charles all ready proved they are Nazis and denounced them, keeping this fight going is just counter productive now, LGF should just lead by example and ignore this f@#%rs trying to jump the anti-jihadi bandwagon

53 insanity police  10/31/07 2:08:18 pm reply quote 1

A major problem, as I see it, is that many anti-jihad bloggers who take the opposite position from Charles on this issue (ex: Atlas) are denying the connections to white supremacy and Nazis by Vlaams Belang. Until this reality is recognized, or proof is offered to disprove this evidence, then conversation should not end.

54 albusteve  10/31/07 2:08:24 pm reply quote 0

re: #47 Pro-Bush Canuck

Young girl, get out of my mind
My love for you is way out of line
Better run girl,
You're much too young girl
With all the charms of a woman
You've kept the secret of your youth
You led me to believe
You're old enough
To give me Love
And now it hurts to know the truth, Oh,

Beneath your perfume and make-up
You're just a baby in disguise
And though you know
That it is wrong to be
Alone with me
That come on look is in your eyes, Oh,

So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are
Get out of here
Before I have the time
To change my mind
'Cause I'm afraid we'll go too far, Oh,
Young girl

number 9...number 9

55 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:08:41 pm reply quote 0

Pretty creepy is right.

I never really paid attention to those lyrics before...

"So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are"

This guy sure sounds like he's talking about a child...

56 dicentra  10/31/07 2:09:00 pm reply quote 2

It's worth noting that in the Shire Network News interview, DeWinter made a point of saying that it was wrong for the predecessor party of Vlaams Belang to collaborate with the Nazis...

...on the grounds that they didn't get an independent Flemish state, which they hoped the Nazis would give them if they helped out with the Nazi agenda.

So what we have here is a group of people who are so fanatically dedicated to a political goal—Flemish independence—that they were willing to make a deal with the devil to get it, even if that meant sending untold numbers of their countrymen to the camps.

The anti-Islamization movement is subject to the same temptation: hitch up with some unsavories for political expediency, even though the unsavories are inclined to (a) go way too far overboard, even to the point of mass murder, and (b) not give the anti-Islamization movement what it wants, which is a Europe in which the immigrants assimilate better.

Anyone who thinks it's safe to hook up with neo-Nazi types and come out clean at the other end is as delusional as a moonbat who thinks we can negotiate with the jihadis.

57 goodbye_natalie  10/31/07 2:09:18 pm reply quote 0
why are so many counter-jihad bloggers willing to cut DeWinter, Vanhecke, and the Vlaams Belang so much slack, despite all these indications that something isn’t right?

Don't know for sure. I can honestly say I don't know a name in that post.

I said months ago on this board (and was surprised some agreed) that I thought Europe, contrary to popular opinion, was going to get fed up with the Sudden Jihadi Syndrome and dhimmitude. I thought time drew short that many Europeans were going to put a major smackdown on a bunch of Muslims, many of them probably innocent bystanders who truly did just want to live in peace.

Maybe it's human nature that when you feel really threatened and your culture as you know it is disappearing, you drop all pretense of good sense and will side with the devil if you feel it necessary to win.

Personally, I think you're trading one major problem for another and it's virtually impossible to restore your reputation once you've chosen to do so.

58 Highrise  10/31/07 2:09:48 pm reply quote 1

re:

59 Killgore Trout  10/31/07 2:10:02 pm reply quote 6

I'm fairly convinced that this is a calculated plan for parties like Vlaams to gain legitimacy. They are hate groups and are under threat of being shut down at any moment. By hitching their wagon to the AntiJihad movement they gain a support network which makes it harder for them to be legally disbanded.

60 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:10:20 pm reply quote 1

re: #52 avirus

re: #25 insanity police


re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.

Charles all ready proved they are Nazis and denounced them, keeping this fight going is just counter productive now, LGF should just lead by example and ignore this f@#%rs trying to jump the anti-jihadi bandwagon

Ah, but we also need to definitely distance ourselves from these cretins, else we will be lumped in with them.

61 song_and_dance_man[deleted]  10/31/07 2:10:25 pm 1
62 Piglet-U93  10/31/07 2:10:27 pm reply quote 0

re: #41 albusteve

re: #31 Piglet-U93

The lesser evil compromise scenario. A old trap we should not fall into. This is not a presidential election. This is a matter of western civilization's survival, intact that is.

ECMarm is right tho...you should consider that pov

I agree with ECmarm's comment in respect to last resort and in the trench. But when the war is finally over I do not want to be fighting another. Towards that end we should not contribute to their power base whatsoever.

63 justamomof4  10/31/07 2:11:24 pm reply quote 2

re: #19 debutaunt

7 Pro-Bush Canuck 10/31/07 1:52:45 pm reply quote report 0

We also have to be careful not to indulge in hatred directed at all Muslims. Regardless of the problems we have with Islam as an ideology, lumping 1.2 billion people together and calling them evil is little better than what the KKK says about blacks.

When we try to single out the Islamofascists, it seems to create a sound basis for calling them evil. Then we're told the act of doing that is discriminatory. We aren't allowed to state our case. Hmmmmmm.
re:

64 albusteve  10/31/07 2:11:50 pm reply quote 0

re: #52 avirus

re: #25 insanity police


re: #21 avirus

Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on

Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.

Charles all ready proved they are Nazis and denounced them, keeping this fight going is just counter productive now, LGF should just lead by example and ignore this f@#%rs trying to jump the anti-jihadi bandwagon

you say its counterproductive now...will it be productive later?...its a good fight and Charles must stay in it imo...in real time

65 Charles  10/31/07 2:12:08 pm reply quote 11

re: #52 avirus

re: #25 insanity police

re: #21 avirus
Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on
Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.
Charles all ready proved they are Nazis and denounced them, keeping this fight going is just counter productive now, LGF should just lead by example and ignore this f@#%rs trying to jump the anti-jihadi bandwagon

I'm not going to ignore it, sorry. And I'm not "keeping a fight going," I'm bringing up more evidence to support my position.

66 insanity police  10/31/07 2:12:18 pm reply quote 0

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68 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:12:23 pm reply quote 0

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69 EC Marm  10/31/07 2:12:28 pm reply quote 0

re: #37 Charles

Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.


When I was around 15, the girls in my high school, younger than me, used to play that song, over and over in an after school club I'd go to. That song had some strange appeal to some of them. I agree, creepy.

70 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:12:41 pm reply quote 1

re: #55 Pro-Bush Canuck

Pretty creepy is right.

I never really paid attention to those lyrics before...


"So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are"

This guy sure sounds like he's talking about a child...

Yeah, but it's her coming onto him. If it had been percieved as pedophilia back in 1968, there would have been a huge controversy, even bigger than today.

71 vagabond trader  10/31/07 2:12:44 pm reply quote 4

Thank you Charles for your moral integrity. It would be very easy to shrug and go with the enemy of my enemy cliche'. If this tainted bunch are Europe's best defense against Islamofascism, God help them.

72 meMarc  10/31/07 2:12:45 pm reply quote 0

Wonder if there's a clip of Pat Buchanan on the cesspool?re: #37 Charles

re: #16 meMarc

"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.
Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.

I remembering wondering just how young that girl was.

73 looking closely  10/31/07 2:13:05 pm reply quote 1

Thanks for the extra due diligence on this, Charles.

I'm reposting the link to an article about DeWinter and Vlaams Belang taken from Ha-Aretz, that I put in the last thread on this. DeWinter put this article on his own website, so that says something.

Its really a good read on the topic for Lizards. For obvious reasons, Ha-Aretz is looking at DeWinter from the angle of Jew-hatred, but its a good exposition.

[Link: www.filipdewinter.be...]

highlight here:

Prof. Mude thinks the party is not officially anti-Semitic because there are no anti-Semitic references in its official literature, which he says he studies carefully. However, he notes, there is indeed anti-Semitism among its grass-roots activists. "Dewinter has no problem associating with anti-Semites," he explains. "And you can almost always find someone anti-Semitic around him. The reason is that he is not philo-Semitic; he’s philo-Flemish. His goal is to take over Antwerp and act on behalf of the Flemish. The question of whether this is good for the Jews does not interest him."

Brinckman, however, is certain that Dewinter himself "harbors anti-Semitic feelings. He always associates with anti-Semitic circles and it is impossible that he changed his mind. He now needs to maneuver between his voters, many of whom are very extremist, and the public arena, which demands that he demonstrate moderation."

74 albusteve  10/31/07 2:13:53 pm reply quote 0

re: #62 Piglet-U93

re: #41 albusteve


re: #31 Piglet-U93

The lesser evil compromise scenario. A old trap we should not fall into. This is not a presidential election. This is a matter of western civilization's survival, intact that is.

ECMarm is right tho...you should consider that pov

I agree with ECmarm's comment in respect to last resort and in the trench. But when the war is finally over I do not want to be fighting another. Towards that end we should not contribute to their power base whatsoever.

yes...dont predict the future but be ready for it

75 Dirk Diggler  10/31/07 2:14:02 pm reply quote 0

neocon,

Brimelow is a founder of the VDARE anti-immigration group; these are, more or less, despicable "let's keep America white" types.

(Rolls eyes) God forbid America be exposed to the horrors of miscegenation.

That would just be the end of all things now, wouldn't it?

76 yochanan  10/31/07 2:14:06 pm reply quote 4

frankly jews living in euroland should get out as soon as possible

euro history is full of blood being spilled and almost all the times jews were spilling theirs even if we were not part of the problem.

77 buzzsawmonkey  10/31/07 2:14:08 pm reply quote -1

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78 bald headed geek  10/31/07 2:15:02 pm reply quote -1

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79 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:15:53 pm reply quote 2

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80 albusteve  10/31/07 2:16:14 pm reply quote 0

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81 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:16:45 pm reply quote 2

re: #65 Charles

re: #52 avirus


re: #25 insanity police
re: #21 avirus
Charles you don't need to report on these European neo-Nazis any more you have nothing to prove, just ignore them and wait that Pamela & co will come to their senses on them on
Charles is trying to save the anti-jihad movement. Keeping quiet will only harm us all.
Charles all ready proved they are Nazis and denounced them, keeping this fight going is just counter productive now, LGF should just lead by example and ignore this f@#%rs trying to jump the anti-jihadi bandwagon

I'm not going to ignore it, sorry. And I'm not "keeping a fight going," I'm bringing up more evidence to support my position.

Charles, with all this evidence, those who have allied themselves with VB and SD should have already evicted them from their midst. It's like trying to ignore a steaming pile of dogshit in the middle of your living room. You just can't do it.

82 Pro-Bush Canuck  10/31/07 2:16:52 pm reply quote -1

re: #70 Ward Cleaver

re: #55 Pro-Bush Canuck


Pretty creepy is right.

I never really paid attention to those lyrics before...


"So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are"

This guy sure sounds like he's talking about a child...

Yeah, but it's her coming onto him. If it had been percieved as pedophilia back in 1968, there would have been a huge controversy, even bigger than today.

"She came on to ME" is the numero uno excuse of the child molester.

83 BabbaZee  10/31/07 2:17:06 pm reply quote 13

I have been independently researching this thing since the start of it.
I found all this, and much much more as well.
It's all true.
And it's even deeper than this.
Everything in this post is correct.
There is a whole global network going on here and DeWinter is a big player.

Here's a preview item...
among a million other things,
I now know where the cross originates from on his shelf... the Jongerenfront

This thing has more twists and turns than San Francisco .
The are intentionally trying to use people like us as cover BTW.

Stay tuned, I promise to post on it within the next few days.

WLGF out

84 buzzsawmonkey  10/31/07 2:17:11 pm reply quote 0

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85 meMarc  10/31/07 2:17:44 pm reply quote 0

re: #37 Charles

re: #16 meMarc

"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.
Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.

Words by Muhammad as I recall. Who did the music?

86 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:17:51 pm reply quote 1

re: #72 meMarc

Wonder if there's a clip of Pat Buchanan on the cesspool?re: #37 Charles


re: #16 meMarc
"Political Cesspool" has had some interesting guest including Pat Buchanan, and Gary Pucket of the Union Gap.
Gary Puckett also wrote the extremely creepy "Young Girl," a paean to pedophilia.

I remembering wondering just how young that girl was.

I was just a kid, so I didn't think too much about it. I assumed she was a teenager.

87 avirus  10/31/07 2:18:12 pm reply quote -4

re: #58 Highrise

re: #52 avirus

ignoring only allows the cockroaches to multiply.

Shining the light scatters them.

LGF has been successful for scattering them don't you think?

by linking to their ugly hate sites? and making pamela publicly come to their defence over and over? (just think of the jump they get on google)

88 mama winger  10/31/07 2:18:15 pm reply quote 1

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89 looking closely  10/31/07 2:18:17 pm reply quote 3

re: #59 Killgore Trout

I'm fairly convinced that this is a calculated plan for parties like Vlaams to gain legitimacy. They are hate groups and are under threat of being shut down at any moment. By hitching their wagon to the AntiJihad movement they gain a support network which makes it harder for them to be legally disbanded.

The problem is that they can bring the rest of the movement down with them.

Charles is right on the money on this issue. We simply don't need neo-nazis or their sympathizers on our side; that only discredits any anti-Jihadist movement.

Its one thing to be called a "nazi" (that's pretty much the label given to any non-leftist by the liberals), but its quite another to associate with ACTUAL Nazis, or their somewhat sanitized ideological descendants.

90 Truumax  10/31/07 2:18:21 pm reply quote 3

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91 Highrise  10/31/07 2:18:39 pm reply quote 2

I find it very telling the people who want this ignored or smoothed over...

and some even want kumbaya to be sung in some circles among the blogs.

Perhaps different agendas at work but I have to wonder if those people actually read and understand why LGF exists....to shine a light on this stuff and not to ALLY with those who *get it wrong* .

92 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:18:51 pm reply quote -1

re: #82 Pro-Bush Canuck

re: #70 Ward Cleaver


re: #55 Pro-Bush Canuck

Pretty creepy is right.
I never really paid attention to those lyrics before...

"So hurry home to your mama
I'm sure she wonders where you are"

This guy sure sounds like he's talking about a child...

Yeah, but it's her coming onto him. If it had been percieved as pedophilia back in 1968, there would have been a huge controversy, even bigger than today.

"She came on to ME" is the numero uno excuse of the child molester.

Oh I know. It's just how the lyrics portray it.

93 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:19:53 pm reply quote 1

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94 Render  10/31/07 2:20:17 pm reply quote 0

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95 albusteve  10/31/07 2:21:33 pm reply quote -1

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96 Lawrence Schmerel  10/31/07 2:21:34 pm reply quote 3

If you do a word search for "Jew" on David Duke's web site, his server will crash.

97 opnion  10/31/07 2:21:36 pm reply quote 1

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98 meMarc  10/31/07 2:21:51 pm reply quote 0

There seems to be an audio archive at The Politcal Cesspool but I can't get it to work. Wanted to see what Pat Buchanan had to say.

99 Highrise  10/31/07 2:21:52 pm reply quote 1

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100 seekeroftruth  10/31/07 2:22:27 pm reply quote 1

Thank you Charles
I think it is really important to highlight that these groups are hitching their wagons, so to speak , to the anti jihadis. The enemy is radical islam. When these nazi/white supremist groups are allowed to be part of the anti jihadist movements they provide a weapon for the enemy - racism. How many times when someone stands up to radical islamics do we see here in this country the cries of racism from CAIR, and others? The passengers and flight attendants of the 6 imnans flight , ...and so on.
There is no reason why any American blogger should be associating themselves with these groups as a way of combatting radical islam.

101 Ward Cleaver  10/31/07 2:22:31 pm reply quote 0

re: #96 Lawrence Schmerel

If you do a word search for "Jew" on David Duke's web site, his server will crash.

Promise?

102 Charles  10/31/07 2:22:36 pm reply quote 7

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103 Killgore Trout  10/31/07 2:23:23 pm reply quote 7

Here's an example of what VB rhetoric leads to....

Racist Murder "Shocks" Belgium

An 18-year-old man with an an extreme-right background shot and killed a Turkish woman during a racist outrage in Antwerp Thursday.After shooting and severely injuring the 47-year-old Turkish woman, Hans Van Themsche, 18, then shot and killed a pregnant Malinese woman, before killing a two-year-old native Flemish girl.

His rampage ended when a police officer shot Van Themsche in the stomach. He will now undergo police questioning in hospital on Friday.

Van Themsche had shaved his head just days before his shooting spree. But a note later recovered from his home by police suggests that his racist politics was more deeply rooted. His father had been a founding member of the Vlaams Blok, the anti-immigration, Flemish separatist party renamed Vlaams Belang, or Flemish Interest, in 2004 in a bid to broaden its appeal. His aunt, Frieda Van Themsche, is a VB member of the Belgian parliament.The Vlaams Blok has risen from murky neo-fascist roots to reinvent itself as a modern, free-market party and become the biggest in Dutch-speaking Flanders, the richest part of Belgium with 60 percent of the population.

These people are dangerous.

104 goodbye_natalie  10/31/07 2:23:26 pm reply quote 1

I know this much. Everyday that goes by, I feel less and less attached and a little more confused just exactly who's got the world's best interests at heart and who doesn't.

Kind of like high school, I never felt entirely like I belonged entirely in one group. Was an athlete but hated the way many jocks strutted. Never fit in the societal crowd, never was a freak.

Sounds like bad poetry...

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