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 Retweet'Repugnant?' Yes, That's What I Wrote

Thu, Nov 1, 2007 at 8:26:33 am PDT

A comment I made in our overnight thread led to this post at Brussels Journal: Repugnant. Why would I say that about Brussels Journal?

Here are two of the comments posted over there in response:

Convergence of neocon morons at LGF
Submitted by darrinh on Thu, 2007-11-01 14:44.

LGF has always been Zionist and neocon, which didn’t bother me until they started attacking European nationalists. As pointed out, if you are anything less than a rabid Zionist, you’re a nasty racist bigot. Interesting they support Zionism but not European nationalism.........

...

LGF sucks
Submitted by Amsterdamsky on Thu, 2007-11-01 14:16.

“It sounds like they are trying to argue that Europe must unite under Christianity, for that is the only way to prevent the Islamic take-over.

That, and racist parties like the Vlaams Belang.”

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist you will get sh*t on that site.

Oooh-kay.

UPDATE at 11/1/07 11:20:05 am:

Another thread of comments at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe | The Brussels Journal.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

In light of our recent discussions, pay special attention to that last sentence. “WN” is their abbreviation for “White Nationalism.”

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1 strandedSF  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:28:48am

Dammit, where's my Zionist check?

2 wanumba  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:29:32am
If you are not rabidly zionist you will get shit on that site.

Non-conformist punks!
Waaahhh!

3 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:29:32am

I'm not rabidly Zionist, I just feel the Palestinians don't deserve shit.

4 Iron Fist[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:29:53am
5 Angel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:29:54am

Yes yes yes its the Mossad again!
bwhahahha!

6 Teacake!  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:30:07am

LOL, Israel has nothing better to do with the money left over from paying off islamist demands, than to pay for people to blog! LOL

7 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:30:26am
either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll

It's true, and I fall into the former category; I'm a volunteer for the Israeli payroll.

8 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:30:35am

darrinh- blocked user with a grudge. They're so "cute" when they're nursing, aren't they?

9 black george bush  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:31:02am

I like to have my monthly Zionist checks direct deposited into my account :)

Its just easier that way...

10 Old Tanker  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:31:04am

re: #1 strandedSF

I didn't get mine either, wtf?

I'm not rabidly zionist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

11 strandedSF  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:31:13am

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

12 Quella  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:31:55am

This goes to show you that the "European nationalists" are not real allies in the fight against Islamofascism. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

13 wanumba  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:31:58am

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.


OUCH!

14 NoSubmission  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:32:28am

Israeli payroll?

What a joke.

15 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:32:52am

Charming. . .

/Not.

16 Quella  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:32:53am

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

Well, anywhere but Israeli!

17 firebreather  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:32:55am

If you support Israel's right to exist, are you a de facto "Zionist"?

Don't think so.

I'm anti-Islamist. Anti-terrorist. Anti-PC. Anti-Shariah.

18 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:33:26am

Kinda makes ya wanna run right out and support their cause, doesn't it?

/No.

19 wanumba  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:33:34am

re: #14 NoSubmission

Israeli payroll?

What a joke.


You ... you mean this check isn't good?

20 Angel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:34:05am

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

Free suicide belts for the first 10 applicants!..ha

21 ctrlL  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:34:07am

May I politely suggest that Amsterdamsky read a little of LGF before making sweeping statements judgements ?
/numb-skullsky

22 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:34:12am

So, neocon does mean Jooo?

23 Golem Akbar  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:34:48am

re: #21 ctrlL

May I politely suggest that Amsterdamsky read a little of LGF before making sweeping statements judgements ?
/numb-skullsky

Dumbshitsky. (no sarc, either)

24 sattv4u2  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:35:04am

"I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist you will get shit on that site."

DAMN,, that reminds me. It's almost my birthday. I have to remember to enroll in my yearly "RABIDLY ZIONIST REFRESHER COURSE" so I can get my certificate renewed!

25 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:35:10am

Ayup, ayup, I'm on the Israeli/Zionist payroll!

Every month I get a big bucket of Monopoly money, and a box of Crackerjacks with a prize inside!

(If I'm good, they'll let me have Park Place!)

26 Just_A_Grunt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:35:25am

So I can be a Zionist and a Neocon at the same time huh? Does that make me JudeoChristiEcono? They tag me with anymore labels and I am going to start sounding that telephone company commercial.
Just for the record I ain't Jewish but at one time I was Episcopalian but they deserted me so now I am a Christian without a church. Anybody got an application form for the Mormons?

27 Old Tanker  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:35:36am

re: #22 Golem Akbar

So, neocon does mean Jooo?

ding, ding, ding, We have a winner!

28 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:35:53am

#22 Golem Akbar

Yes, it does.

29 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:36:02am

re: #4 Iron Fist

you must be cashing mine too.

30 cosmo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:36:09am

re: #3 Dirk Diggler

I'm not rabidly Zionist, I just feel the Palestinians don't deserve shit.

Yeah, what Dirk said!

If you were an investor putting in your own money, which group would you reasonably believe would provide you with maximum return on your invested capital? Israel or the M.U.G.O.P.K.A.* Palestinians?

Right.


*Made Up Group Of People Known As...

31 Geepers  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:36:21am
I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.

Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."

32 Trent_Boyett  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:36:23am

It always cracks me up when the left calls us "Zionists." Every time I hear that I swell with pride.

/Christian Zionist

33 firebreather  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:36:47am

All of the terrorist-sponsoring Arab-Palestinians deserve the right to return to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen & other under-populated Arab toilet bowls. Of course, they're very welcome in Europe, too, a continent hellbent on suicide.

34 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:37:02am

re: #22 Golem Akbar
I musta converted when I wasnt looking.

35 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:37:32am

Truly sad. But then again 50% of the people have an intelligence less than the median, and 25% have an intelligence less than the first quartile. These guys must be in the first decile.

36 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:37:39am

#26 Just_a_Grunt

We're all part of the Zombie Hermaphrodite Lizardoid ZioNaziCrusaderCapitalist Conspiracy! (Say that real fast, three times now!)

I left the Episcopal Church too. I go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church now.

37 Angel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:37:44am

sticks and stones
sticks and stones

Can't they at least come up with some new slurs for the name calling festival.

oh that falls 'round Halloween time right?

The Hater Name Calling Festival...which of course begins at sundown...due to the Joooish fascist influence no doubt.

Muahahaha~!

38 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:37:50am

re: #30 cosmo

do i invest in the stock market or the corleone family?

39 rogue yam  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:38:02am

So a week ago or so it was a pissing contest with FreeRepublic. Now there's one between LGF and Brussels Journal? Who benefits from this?

40 Daybrother  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:38:40am

The comments don't even make sense. Not that I'm particularly surprised. Funny. Over here we are concerned that actual racist bigots are attempting to co-opt Western resistance to the Caliphate. When challenged, the same groups' supporters respond with antisemitism and bigoted conspiracy theories--precisely the tactics used by the Islamists. They need to at the very least get a decent script together because simply assembling a European mob with torches and pitchforks isn't gonna cut it. Neither is a Hitler revival with new Summer stock players. Dangerous Morons™.

41 Eowyn2  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:39:07am

re: #25 TalkinKamel


are the crackerjacks kosher?

42 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:39:12am

re: #18 TalkinKamel

We're just not nuanced enough to understand. We should have elected john kerry. At least then we'd have an international test.

/please pass the sarc tag

43 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:39:53am

Well, good news everyone. I FINALLY GOT THE NEW ZIONIST CHEQUE BOOK. Sorry for the delay-and thanks everyone for being patient.

The problem was that most of the Zionist Elders have already gone to Florida and Arizona to NEOCON RABIDLY ZIONIST SNOWBIRD H.Q and so I couldn't get the proper number of signatures.

Then, our printer got food poising when he was testing out the NEW SECRET CABAL DEATH INK...luckly, he only got a whiff of it. Then, someone found out about the SECRET IDF BABE STRIPPER SQUAD and it's all over the damned internet now-so I had to deal with that, too.

Anyway-cheques are IN THE MAIL!

44 Dammits Dad  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:03am

#1 strandedSF 11/01/07 8:28:48 am

' Dammit, where's my Zionist check?'

I'm sorry, I have been busy. I will get right on those checks.

D.D.

45 Quella  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:04am

re: #26 Just_A_Grunt

So I can be a Zionist and a Neocon at the same time huh? Does that make me JudeoChristiEcono? They tag me with anymore labels and I am going to start sounding that telephone company commercial.
Just for the record I ain't Jewish but at one time I was Episcopalian but they deserted me so now I am a Christian without a church. Anybody got an application form for the Mormons?

I hear that there are great "non-denominational" churches. But I don't know! I am just one big, fire-breathing, zio-con!

46 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:10am

#31 Geepers

Ja Wohl! Und if ve Zionists do not adopt ze correct view of "European Nationalistm" ve are nothing but Zionist-pig dog Untermenschen!

(Dropping the fake German accent now.)

I think the problem is that we have made up our minds, and they don't like that. We should simply shut up, do as we're told and not ask embarassing questions.

47 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:16am

I remember reading something Mark Steyn wrote a few years back basically saying you push the Europeans far enough and they'll resort to uber-nationalism - that it is probably instinctive when one sees their culture supplanted before their eyes, in their lifetime - and quickly. Neither he nor I subscribe to nationalists going on a violent war-path, but it might almost be expected. Things could get pretty ugly in Europe pretty damn fast.

48 Occasional Reader  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:32am

"How dare you goddamn kike-lovers call us 'bigoted'!"

49 xtraBilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:35am
Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.

Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

50 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:46am

re: #16 Quella

{QUELLA} LONG TIME NO SEE!

51 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:51am

They're on to us. Shit.

Someone get Putin's puppetmaster, Stinky Cohen, on the phone. We need a little radioactive assassination action among the journos at Brussels Journal.

52 sngnsgt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:40:57am

LGF sucks? Well, that's news to me.

53 coquimbojoe  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:41:18am

I am proudly, semi-rabidly Zionist. You Nazis can suck it.

54 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:41:22am

re: #22 Golem Akbar

Sho 'nuff!

55 wanumba  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:41:48am

re: #31 Geepers

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.

Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."


Another ding-ding-ding! What does the common American riff-raff know about such nuanced things?

56 coquimbojoe  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:41:52am

re: #44 Dammits Dad

#1 strandedSF 11/01/07 8:28:48 am

' Dammit, where's my Zionist check?'

I'm sorry, I have been busy. I will get right on those checks.

D.D.

I WAS promised a toaster oven...

57 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:41:57am

re: #31 Geepers

The Zionist Masters told me I agree with you. ;)

58 Axiom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:09am

I'm out. The ZOG downsized me out of the operation. I'm no longer in charge of payroll. Looks like you guys are going to have to get real jobs.

I have it on good word that Moscow may be interested in our services. Would y'all be down for some Russian lap dogging adventures? The bad: You have to flack for Putie. The good: Bimmers for everyone.

59 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:10am

.

If you are not rabidly zionist you will get sh*t on that site.

And I am the worst of them all !

OINK OINK !

/Zionist Pig

//OT OT OT

This is my FOURTH LGF BIRTHDAY, I posted here Nov. 1st 2003 for the first time. Happy LGF birthday to me !, but, most importantly, THANKS A ZILLION (of Shekels, of course) to Charles !

60 Carl in Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:11am

Europe: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

61 Quella  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:13am

re: #47 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I remember reading something Mark Steyn wrote a few years back basically saying you push the Europeans far enough and they'll resort to uber-nationalism - that it is probably instinctive when one sees their culture supplanted before their eyes, in their lifetime - and quickly. Neither he nor I subscribe to nationalists going on a violent war-path, but it might almost be expected. Things could get pretty ugly in Europe pretty damn fast.

I read that as well. In fact, Steyn wrote that this is another reason why he was so especially worried about the rise of Islamism.

62 Shr_Nfr  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:18am

re: #26 Just_A_Grunt

You don't want to go there either. Just read "No Man Knows My History" [Link: www.amazon.com...]

63 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:28am
64 itellu3times  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:39am

re: #35 Shr_Nfr

Truly sad. But then again 50% of the people have an intelligence less than the median, and 25% have an intelligence less than the first quartile. These guys must be in the first decile.

More like the sixty-fifth senile.

65 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:45am

re: #39 rogue yam

That's not the point. It's not a 'pissing match' between anyone. Stories, and information are out there-people have to read, research, make up their own minds and decide who their friends are.

66 Quella  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:42:55am

re: #50 WriterMom

re: #16 Quella

{QUELLA} LONG TIME NO SEE!

WRITERMOM! :):)

67 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:43:36am

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

I left you a great article on the Dead Thread, please read.

68 Daybrother  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:43:39am
...wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths...


...which is in turn wrapped in bacon with a beer batter coating.

69 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:44:10am

re: #46 TalkinKamel

Ja Wohl! Und if ve Zionists do not adopt ze correct view of "European Nationalistm" ve are nothing but Zionist-pig dog Untermenschen!

Zat's true !

70 sngnsgt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:44:25am

Happy Fourth LGF B-day to you Poitiers-Lepanto!

71 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:44:27am

re: #48 Occasional Reader

OH.
My.
Gawd.

ZEES EES DA VERY FUNNY LINE, JA JA!

72 Daybrother  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:44:35am

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

Happy posting anniversary.

73 TheUnrepentantGeek  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:44:46am

I have a proposal. Why don't we just drop this whole thing and watch VB closely closely for awhile? If they truly are racists or neo-nazis, I doubt they'll be able to maintain the cover for long.

If they're not, they'll react reasonably to challenges, and nothing will surface. It should become apparent, as a few weeks or months pass, that they're fairly benign.

In the interim, I remain unconvinced either way. And, one has to admit, if you take VB at their word, they're not neo-nazis. Therefore, if Charles is correct, they're lying. So. We just wait. If they do something contrary to their stated beliefs, we can analyze that for discrepancies.

I've really been shocked by how quickly this has mushroomed ... all over political party or two in a tiny part of Europe. Take a chill pill folks. No sense getting so worked up over stupid arguments on the Internets. All the hot air clogs up the tubes.

74 wanumba  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:04am

re: #39 rogue yam

So a week ago or so it was a pissing contest with FreeRepublic. Now there's one between LGF and Brussels Journal? Who benefits from this?


Everyone who yearns for the truth.

75 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:04am

re: #67 WriterMom

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

I left you a great article on the Dead Thread, please read.

HAVE YOU GOT A POST NUMBER, please ?

76 Axiom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:26am

Oh sweet. That was fast. I just got an offer from the ROG(Reptilian Government Overlords). There is one caveat. You must be cool with they're shape shifting. No German luxury cars either. It's Jaguars or a Rolls.

77 newsjunkie_ky  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:28am

Remember John Bolton's book Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations is out on Tuesday.

78 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:34am

This 'Jewish conspiracy' attitude is quite common in comments at Brussels Journal, by the way. I haven't seen Belien write anything like this, but he's very tolerant of it appearing in his comments.

79 mean Gene  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:41am

So, as long as LGF was "merely" Zionist and neocon it didn'y bother that ex-poster, BUT he hit his limit when Europeans were the target?
Sounds suspiciously like one of those phony C-SPAN callers who all claim that they were "life-long republicans," until...
Rush gets those types of callers, too.
What a crock!
I wonder if they really think anyone believes a word they say after that caveat?

80 wyattstorch  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:45:47am

We should all should state the positive. Intelligently, rationally pro-western and pro-reason. If that means supporting the best country in the rabid middle east, so be it. Show LGF an Arab/Muslim country with western ideology and I will show you a flying pig.

Thanks to Charles we are all way ahead of the nationalist evils waiting to pounce into the vacuum of ideas left when our own citizens rejected the enlightenment.

81 EC Marm  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:02am

Yeah, that phrase 'neo-con' again - as if having an airplane crash into the countryside, and the Pentagon, and watching a couple buildings collapse on Sept, 11th would not make some 275 million people reappraise their position on who the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' are in the world.

82 Maine's Michael  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:02am
I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist you will get sh*t on that site.

Are you kidding? Israelis are tight with money.

I couldn't get a dime out of 'em, even when I got them the videos on Hillary's lesbian trysts with her assistant and before that, Suha.

Naturally they had an excuse (Hillary's so fugly, you should pay us for looking at that video!). They always do, those tightwads.

83 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:06am
Why would I say that about Brussels Journal?

Because they want us to tolerate sexism and homophobia, for starters?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

84 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:25am

re: #67 WriterMom

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

Thank you !
And this is already a blast !
Since we blasted the naziunderpigs.

85 Eric Cartman's Conscience  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:41am

#61Quella

I think many Europoliticians are exacerbating this nationalist trend when the "native" population feels their greivances are not only going unanswered but are actually rebuked with mockery. Nobody genocides like a Euro.

86 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:46am

#39 rogue yam

Who benefits? I dunno, you tell us. I didn't realize this was an issue of benefiting something.

Would we really be benefitting anything if we never questioned "European Nationalism", or took a good, hard look at some would-be "allies"?

#41 Eowyn2

Of course those CrackerJacks are kosher! ZOG wouldn't give me any other kind!

#43 WriterMom

Whooo-hooo! Alrighty! I wants me my ZioNistCrusader Conspiracy big bucks! Kid Kamel needs a new pair of shoes!

87 tazzerman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:46:49am

It's amazing how lately I keep hearing the term Neocon-speak Neocon-this or that. Its like everyone on the left is playing from the the same play book or something eh?

Now we lizardoids are a bunch of neocon Zionists? LOL I hate to tell these buffoons, I've been a Zionist for a LOT longer than LGF has been around. As far as being a Neocon, well... if means what I think it means to these mindless twits then yes, I AM a Neocon (Jew).

So what?

I find it amazing that time and time again these leftist idiots refuse to argue a topic on its merits and would rather engage in name calling in order to shut ALL discussion down, period.

Neocon, Zionist.. That's it.. End of discussion. Sheesh

88 big L  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:47:37am

Just as long as they don't learn the "Awful secret of LFG".It used to be at the top but "fortunately" hidden now. Wait til they see the Indymedia footstool and leash. Sh-h-h!
/heh...Brussell's sprouts=pitooie.

89 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:47:42am

re: #72 Daybrother

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

Happy posting anniversary.

Thank you !

OINK ! OINK !

90 Dirk Diggler  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:47:51am

Sharmuta,

The Zionist Masters told me I agree with you. ;)

The Zionist chip embedded in my brain must be malfunctioning. I have yet to receive my opinions from our Zionist masters.

Instead all I hear is "The Girl From Ipanema" on a endless loop.

91 sngnsgt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:47:54am

A Zionist-pig Roast in Poitiers-Lepanto's 4th B-day honor!

92 gman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:47:58am

The folks at the Brussels Journal need to read her book Infidel before they start yapping and flapping. Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks out against discrimination of women and gays anywhere period. She is for the separation of church and government. Just think about it BJ. Do you really think she is for government involvement in religion when she grew up in that kind of environment and suffered because of it?

Go back to your studies BJ, and find out the truth. The truth, you will find, is that she is a modern day hero to many people. Her actions have spoken. All you have BJ are a bunch of words.

93 chinesearithmetic  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:48:18am

Zionara, Europe.

94 coquimbojoe  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:49:03am

re: #90 Dirk Diggler

I get the Golden Grahams theme song...

95 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:49:10am

re: #48 Occasional Reader

"How dare you goddamn kike-lovers call us 'bigoted'!"

Absolutely hilarious.

96 uncle_monkey  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:50:00am

Good Morning fellow Elders of Zion!

Did everybody get their bonus checks from Charles?

Good then, back to work.

97 Sloatsburgh  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:50:07am

re: #49 xtraBilly

Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.
Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

So this guy's evidence that he is more intelligent than me is to use words contained in the English language that do not come up in common conversation and use them to describe each other in ways that are conflicting?

98 Babydoc97  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:50:31am

Your Royal Lizardness,

Can you tell me where to sign up for my zionist check? And could you donate my checks to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation?

Standing by for further zionist duty instructions...

/sarc off...except the part about sending any checks for me to the CF foundation...

99 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:50:33am
100 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:50:38am

re: #93 chinesearithmetic

Zionara, Europe.

LOL !
That WILL drive the Illinois euro nazis nuts...

101 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:52:13am

re: #96 uncle_monkey

Good Morning fellow Elders of Zion!

Did everybody get their bonus checks from Charles?

Good then, back to work.

Of course we don't work, we just enjoy the money of the monthly check, while building the
WORLD RABBINATE

102 bolivar  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:52:30am

I resent these remarks, I have had my shots and have no diseases that I am aware of. Now as for the zionist stuff well, I am not Jewish - only have common sense and like most of what I read here. If that makes me zionist I guess we need to redefine the word.

Euroweenies really need to get some new material - the same old tired cliches and dhimmie talking points really get old. I would expect more original material from the "superior" Europeans - wouldn't you?

103 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:52:30am

#48 Occasional Reader

ROFLMAO!

(Love it!)

#47 Eric Cartman's conscience

Yes, I remember reading that Steyn piece too.

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Happy LGF Birthday! Many Zionist OINKY-OINKS of the day!

104 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:54:00am

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

One thing I'll say about fjordman; the guy is devoid of a sense of humor.

Over the years I never heard him make even one attempt at humor. He's got a real rough stick up his ass.

105 Keli  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:54:01am

"either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll"
I hereby offer my voluntary services to the Israeli payroll department because I see I'm not the only lizard still waiting for a Zionist check. The boys down in payroll must be really backed up.

106 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:54:02am

re: #90 Dirk Diggler

The Zionist chip embedded in my brain must be malfunctioning. I have yet to receive my opinions from our Zionist masters.

Instead all I hear is "The Girl From Ipanema" on a endless loop.

Nope- that's the Zionist Masters doing that. They are trying to un-focus your prayers and disturb your sleep with female imagery.

107 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:54:12am

re: #75 Poitiers-Lepanto

Here it is...

108 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:54:58am

re: #103 TalkinKamel


#59 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Happy LGF Birthday! Many Zionist OINKY-OINKS of the day!

Thank you, My Queen !

/low oink under the heavy armor

109 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:55:33am

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

That post is a duplicate of the screed he posted in our comments yesterday, while completely ignoring the white supremacist links I posted.

110 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:56:16am

#99 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, they do.

I have encountered white-racist Euro types on other blogs, and many of them say this very thing---that Islamic immigration to Europe is all the fault of the Jews (apparently not their own socialist governments) and that nothing can be done about the jihadis unless, and until, the Jews are taken care of, and thrown out of government.

These guys are going to make some swell allies in the WoT, oh yeah. . .

111 allahakchew  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:58:33am

How long do you have to be a commentor on LGF before you receive your first check?

Ooops never mind, it just came...

112 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:59:28am

I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

113 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:59:48am

re: #107 WriterMom

re: #75 Poitiers-Lepanto

Here it is...

Thank you very much. Reasoned and reasonable...a very rare thing today.

114 Catttt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:59:52am
When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller (Martin Miemoller for the font-lacking)

115 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 8:59:59am

re: #109 Charles

LGFers base their world-view on the existence of a moderate Islam

Nice- now he's lying about us.

116 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:01:15am

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"


Just wondering what there views were on South Africa.

117 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:01:40am
118 Catttt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:01:48am

re: #114 Cattt

Oops - Niemoller, not Miemoller.

119 taxfreekiller[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:01:52am
120 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:02:00am
121 cosmo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:02:27am

re: #38 Eowyn2

Depends on how long you want to be around to enjoy your dividendi. ;)

122 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:02:35am

re: #110 TalkinKamel

that Islamic immigration to Europe is all the fault of the Jews (apparently not their own socialist governments) and that nothing can be done about the jihadis unless, and until, the Jews are taken care of, and thrown out of government.

Wow. Is there NOTHING THE ALL POWERFUL JOOOS CANNOT DO? We even are responsible for flooding Europe with Muslims to replace the Jews of Europe..and we benefit exactly HOW from that? Whatever!

Amazing.

123 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:04:31am

My position on this remains-I believe the biggest threat is from Islam, but I decline having European 'nationalists' (nudge, nudge, wink wink) on my side as I fight. That's it.

124 blogagog  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:04:36am

Let this fight drop, Charles. You should ignore their charges of Zionism, just like they should ignore your charges of racism.

Big fan of the site, but this fight is getting silly.

125 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:04:51am

All evil
meets at least twice daily
at Jew Hate Junction.

126 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:05:19am

re: #116 hous bin pharteen

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"

No- we're "Politically Correct".

127 cosmo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:06:16am

re: #112 Charles

I'll post about "La Raza" if you'd like. I could easily segue into "MAPA" and then continue into the the 'MALDeF" finishing with a flourish with their financiers: la Eme. Or is it MS13?

How the hell does anyone think Loretta "Sanchez is my Politically-opportunistic Surname" beat Bob Dornan back in the day--and stays in office to this day? M-A-P-A. (and a few illegal votes, but who's counting?)

/rambling

128 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:06:46am

re: #125 BabbaZee

Babba-perfectly put. The real litmus test of any of our FRIENDS is "what about the Jews" and "what about Israel".

129 xtraBilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:06:48am

re: #97 Sloatsburgh

re: #49 xtraBilly


Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.
Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

So this guy's evidence that he is more intelligent than me is to use words contained in the English language that do not come up in common conversation and use them to describe each other in ways that are conflicting?

Shh! I'm trying to figure out how many shallow shibboleths can I fit in my strongbox. Got to make some room though 'cause I'm so shallow.

130 ploome hineni[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:06:51am
131 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:07:13am

#122 WriterMom

Hey, I hear the Jews wiped out the dinosaurs, and got rid of the Neanderthals, too! (There are rumours that you also seeded the city of L.A. with the Lizard men, who dwell beneath its streets, but some hold that's the fault of the nefarious Baldwin IV, the Leper King, and his army of Chain mail bikini bimbos, who are working with the IDF strippers to lower the general tone of society everywhere. Whatever).

Well, the Jews benefit from that because, um. . . well. . . because, you see, Moslems hate Jews, and. . . uh, wait a minute. . . because, well, er. . . IT'S ALL THE JEWS' FAULT! EVERYTHING'S THE JEWS' FAULT! THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!

(And so it goes).

132 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:07:38am

I've never gotten a Zionist check. Am I missing something?

And I'm not a neocon. I've been a conservative since I was 12, and supported Nixon's reelection.

133 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:07:45am

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"re: #116 hous bin pharteen

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"

Exactly. Fjordman has also been defending a racial idea of nationalism openly at LGF. This piece reads like a massive obfuscation.

134 Ward Cleaver  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:08:32am

re: #127 cosmo

re: #112 Charles

I'll post about "La Raza" if you'd like. I could easily segue into "MAPA" and then continue into the the 'MALDeF" finishing with a flourish with their financiers: la Eme. Or is it MS13?

How the hell does anyone think Loretta "Sanchez is my Politically-opportunistic Surname" beat Bob Dornan back in the day--and stays in office to this day? M-A-P-A. (and a few illegal votes, but who's counting?)

/rambling

More like plenty of illegal votes.

135 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:09:14am

re: #124 blogagog

Being "charged" with Zionism is something that Charles wears as a badge of honour. Being "charged" with racism is a reasonable conclusion to make about the European situation when one considers the material presented here, and elsewhere.

136 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:09:25am

I see they've got a new comment up at Brussels Journal that's even blunter:

Interesting they support Zionism but not European nationalism...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-11-01 17:32.

What did you expect? The two are in many respects anti-thetical so long as Zionist reside outside of Israel.

Wow.

137 realwest  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:10:15am

Well I just tried to open an account at BJ and it's pending moderator approval.
Hope they do approve it, cause there's, oh, a few things I'd like to say to them.
Wish me luck in getting registered there, lizards!

138 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:10:16am

re: #131 TalkinKamel

THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!

Goldberg, Iceberg THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

139 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:10:23am

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

Thank you for posting the link to that but I have to say that the more I read F.'s columns the more he convinces me that he is not presenting his positions honestly.
Fascists in Europe speak like him all the time, in public.
Of course they do, because there are very strict laws against re-building the fascist party in many European Countries, so the fascists had to find a way to speak without being "caught".
The obsession with the WHITE Europe is what gives him away.

Why say WHITE Europe instead of Europe ? They could defend the European tradition and civilization, that has nothing to do with a "race".
They say WHITE because they want their friends to understand that they mean fascist.

I have lived too long in Europe to drink this koolaid.

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

140 Kim Hartveld  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:10:52am

It always amazes me when some call others a Zionist, hoping to insult.
I can't imagine anyone in full control of their mental faculties not to be a Zionist.

141 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:10:55am

I demand a pay raise AND a bonus for my service as a Zionist Neo Con living in a war zone! Oh, and I want all my back checks, too, you know, the ones I haven't been receiving . . .

142 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:11:23am

re: #133 Yank in the EU

I love how he bemoans the supposed leftist tactics we "employed" when we cried foul while employing the leftist tactic of obfuscation.

143 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:11:35am

Well, I'm a Zionist but I'm not a neo-con. There's nothing new about my conservativeness.

But am I rabid? Gee, I don't feel rabid. I feel fervent. Does that count?

144 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:11:39am

Aw, C'mon, WriterMom! These guys would make swell alies! Why, they'll protect us from the Jews!

(Uh-huh---they'll protect us from the Jews, even if Islamofacists are waging nuclear against us; "Hey, not worry, America! We European Nationalists just burned down some synagogues, and instituted a few pogroms! We're also gonna send lots of money to Palestinian terrorists, so they can protect you from Israel! Now you're SAFE! Now here's a nice copy of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for you to read in your fallout shelters.")

Oh, yeah, these guys are gonna be swell allies, alright. . .

/Heh, heh, heh. . .

145 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:11:48am

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

P.L, I have no problem defending 'Western' or 'Judeo-Christian' society. But 'white' is really a key word. You are absolutely right, honkey.

:P

146 friarstale  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:12:29am
Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

147 McNug  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:12:57am

Emmanuel Winston was right. Even the "good" Europeans never get anything right.

148 Crusader Rabbit  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:03am
I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist...

How dare they call me rabid!

149 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:10am

re: #16 Quella


Quella! Where ya been? Good to see you. :-)

150 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:18am

#138 WriterMom

And how can you say the world isn't Jewish? Even the sun's name is Sol! Get it? SOL!

151 Catttt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:19am

re: #124 blogagog

Let this fight drop, Charles. You should ignore their charges of Zionism, just like they should ignore your charges of racism.

Big fan of the site, but this fight is getting silly.

Why don't you go do that on your blog?

First, this is Charles' blog.
Second, read the fricking Neimoller bit I posted. You can't just ig fricking nore people who are calling for "a white Europe" again. For one thing, I don't want Europe to go up in flames again. For another, I don't want the US of A to have to settle their hash again.

152 BabbaZee  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:22am

re: #128 WriterMom

They have no problem supporting Israel
and it is separate in their minds from hating Jews

The same way the commies claim
Anti Zionism is not anti Antisemitism
they say
Antisemitism is not Anti Zionism
They still hate diaspora Jews.

they figure after they take power they will kindly ask averyone to move bakc to Israel.
Or ELse.

And then Israel will be blown up by the Islam with their support
and they will all live racially homogeneous nationalistic sovereign populist new right lumpenazi lives forever.
I cant stay
I am working on my article on this

BBL

153 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:26am

re: #36 TalkinKamel

I left the Episcopal Church too. I go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church now.

Kamel, that's exactly my history. We should talk.

154 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:13:40am

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

BLUE POWER!

155 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:14:35am

re: #115 Sharmuta

re: #109 Charles

LGFers base their world-view on the existence of a moderate Islam

Nice- now he's lying about us.

They are angry because their trick of polluting the antijihadist movement didn't work.

The funders of the nazi groups must be REALLY angry about that.

The maneuvering had been big, evidently.

156 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:14:46am

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

You're right, he's being incredibly dishonest. Even though I have explicitly posted to Fjordman directly on several occasions that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference but have serious misgivings about sme of the particpants, he insists on misrespresenting my opinions and claiming that I'm trying to "destroy" them.

157 Dead Sea Squirrel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:15:03am

re: #146 friarstale

Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.
ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

Physical therapy has improved my one-liners, and the doctors are hopeful.

158 mean Gene  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:15:42am

re: #136 Dead Sea Squirrel

I see they've got a new comment up at Brussels Journal that's even blunter:


Interesting they support Zionism but not European nationalism...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-11-01 17:32.

What did you expect? The two are in many respects anti-thetical so long as Zionist reside outside of Israel.


Wow.


I guess the whole U.N. mandate for Israel is somehow forgotten.
Just how did all those European countries get established, anyway?
How are their borders set?
Not through a U.N. mandate, I'd bet.
So, if the nationalism argument were taken to its logical conclusion, shouldn't Indian tribes be the nations here?
And shouldn't all the "ethnic Europeans" from the USA have to be repatriated back "home?"

159 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:15:50am

#145 WriterMom

I think we should all defend "White" people in defense of Western civilization against Islam! You know, white people, who are the pillars of Western Civ 101, like Adam Gadahn and John Walker/Johnny Taliban, and. . . um, er, wait a minute, uh. . . OH, WHAT THE HECK! IT'S ALL THE JEWS' FAULT!

160 Catttt  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:16:42am

re: #152 BabbaZee

They want everyone to move to Israel.

Arabia wants Israel to move to Alaska.

It's a "to the moon, Alice" moment, only it's not funny.

161 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:16:52am
LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

Yeeaaahhh. And how many people you got over there? How many times has a bj link crashed a server? Quit yapping at our heels, kid. You're bothering me.

162 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:17:08am

re: #112 Charles


What? Fjordman is no longer a good guy? When did that happen? I've always respected his writings.

163 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:17:14am

#153 Dead Sea Squirrel

Indeed, we should!

:>)

164 realwest  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:18:10am

re: #156 Charles Yet he's still on your blogroll. Does he actually still have a blog?

Oh and btw - just got my e-mail from BJ with my account name and a password! (account name is realwest - yeah, I know not terribly orginial, but I'm old and can't remember a bunch of different nic's!) but it's still pending moderator approval.
Shit.

165 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:18:44am

WriterMom

LIZARD POWER!

166 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:19:36am

re: #125 BabbaZee


Babba Zee, if that's Haiku, I think you're missing two syllables in the first line.

167 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:19:45am

re: #164 realwest

Realwest-just remember that when you post on any blog, your IP is known to the owner...NEVER post anywhere where you don't trust the owner 100% because that information can be made public. Same message to other lizards out there.

168 Silhouette  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:19:46am

re: #157 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #146 friarstale


Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.
ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

Physical therapy has improved my one-liners, and the doctors are hopeful.


Or do they mean lam-eh, meaning a bunch of jokes about that gold or silver fabric worn to discos?

169 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:20:29am

re: #165 TalkinKamel

SUSHI POWER!

I gotta get some lunch.

170 Old Tanker  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:20:33am

re: #162 American Jewess In Jerusalem

re: #112 Charles


What? Fjordman is no longer a good guy? When did that happen? I've always respected his writings.

You must have been away for awhile. Check all of the postings regarding the VB and read through the comments, too much for a brief synopsis...

171 MilkOfMalfeasance  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:21:41am

Wait a minute?!? I didn't see "Zionist Pig Neocon" on the census forms when I filled them out. I think I need to re-submit.

172 stvip  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:21:43am

Guys. Let me say this one time, loud and clear:
I'm not writing any checks for you. You are property of ZionElders Inc., and our crafty neocon lawyers managed to sneak some nice stipulations in the contract fine print.
Now get back to infiltrating European society, spreading Zionist propaganda, before I crack my whip.

173 realwest  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:21:55am

re: #162 American Jewess In Jerusalem See Charles #156.

174 looking closely  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:22:13am

#156

Its been said before, but it bears repeating.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreperable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Maybe that's more true in North America than Europe, but its still true in both places.

Arguing to what extent Vlaams Belang is tainted is a bit beside the point; they're linked to neo-Nazis and you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

175 kynna  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:22:15am

I'm still trying to work out exactly what a 'Zionist' is. The definition seems to have changed and it's now a catch-all, like 'neo-con' and I think the two terms mean the same thing at this point, but goodness knows anymore.

This issue reminds me of a segment of the book 'Jarhead' (who knows how accurate the book is in this Scott Beauchamp world - but this part is entertaining) where the powers that be force comradery between a former skinhead and a former gang member by pairing them up. The two finally find common ground on their hatred of the Jews.

So these folks seem to think that there's common ground in hate here, and there isn't at all, considering LGF isn't even close to a 'hate site' (even though it's viciously labeled that again and again). In fact, if they weren't threatening their countries, the supremicists would probably have an easier time finding common ground with the Islamofascists.

176 Ringo the Gringo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:22:29am

The case of Aayan Hirsi Ali tells us everything we need to know about the difference between the US and Europe. Hirsi Ali could become a Dutch MP and spend the rest of her life in the Netherlands and yet she would always be looked upon as an African, a Somali, an immigrant...by both the Left and the Right.

Here in the United States, she can become an American citizen and she will be accepted as an American. She will be one of us. Even those who disagree with her will still accept her as American.

In Europe (and most everywhere else) your nationality is your ethnicity, not so in America.

This is one of the reasons why our parents and great grandparents came here in the first place.

177 realwest  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:22:38am

re: #167 WriterMom So what does that mean?

178 Dar ul Harb  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:22:57am

re: #154 WriterMom

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

BLUE POWER!

Blue people have made some interesting cultural contributions, after all.

179 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:25:09am

re: #170 Old Tanker

Thanks Old Tanker. I have been away. We just moved and I've been offline for about a week. I'm picking up some clues as I read through the comments on this thread. Sorry to hear about Fjordman, but, we don't allow attacks on Charles, our fearless lizard leader!

180 Jewels (AKA Julian)  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:25:45am

Zionist? Damnit, Why didn't anyone Tell me? I want my check!

181 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:26:00am

re: #156 Charles

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

You're right, he's being incredibly dishonest. Even though I have explicitly posted to Fjordman directly on several occasions that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference but have serious misgivings about sme of the particpants, he insists on misrespresenting my opinions and claiming that I'm trying to "destroy" them.

I am sorry to show my paranoid colors once more but... the more I think about what has happened the more I have a nightmare scenario in my mind:
let's say that all the antijihadist blogosphere HAD got involved with these unsavory [I'm being kind] types
AND SIX MOTHS AFTER,
as by chance, some "investigative journalist" from the LLL media had revealed , in a world wide scoop, that the antijihadist "ARE A BRANCH OF THE NAZI INTERNATIONAL".

The MSM would have jumped on all of us like vultures, destroying the good work of years and years with a pile of labels.

WHO would have won ?

The jihadists.

A plan like this doesn't allow for any

serious misgivings about some of the participants

it is a ALL OR NOTHING plan.

182 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:26:07am

re: #179 American Jewess In Jerusalem

You missed one heck of a week!

183 American Jewess In Jerusalem  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:27:49am

re: #182 Sharmuta

re: #179 American Jewess In Jerusalem

You missed one heck of a week!

I guess so! We didn't have internet connection for a while and I was crawling the walls from LGF withdrawals. I'm too tired from packing/unpacking to go back and read through the old threads.

184 justnobody  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:29:05am

I'm shocked. Haven't we heard over and over that these are the best friends that Israel could ever wish to have?

/Good riddance.

185 ducktrapper  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:29:22am

Dang! I can't find a single shop around here where I can spend all these shekels! Advice needed.

186 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:29:46am

re: #174 looking closely

#156

Its been said before, but it bears repeating.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreperable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Maybe that's more true in North America than Europe, but its still true in both places.

Arguing to what extent Vlaams Belang is tainted is a bit beside the point; they're linked to neo-Nazis and you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

Actually, that's been said over and over and over. The fact that the blogs on the other side of this issue insist on ignoring and obfuscating that simple point speaks volumes about their true beliefs.

187 blogagog  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:29:47am

re: #130 ploome hineni
Charles is the one on the attack, not the other way around. And it's quite possible that he's in the wrong, leaning so heavily on guilt by association. I'm not saying the organizations AREN'T racist, it's just not clear, at least to me. I didn't hear it in that podcast he linked, and the images Charles used turned out to be some other organization, not the one Charles is calling nazis.

My pointre: #135 WriterMom

I'm just saying that we have a more important issue to worry about (Islamofascism) than to worry about who we are fighting it with. If the party-line becomes 'kill the Jews!' or even 'kill the muslims!' I'd be with Charles on this. But clearly it's not.

188 justacanuck  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:30:00am

Dammit. I knew this site was holding something back from me. Some of you are actually getting paid.

Charles, I filled in my lizard application years ago -- and I'm sure I put a check mark in the Zionist box. Perhaps it was lost in all the hub bub. Could you please have Stinky look into where my Zionist Lizard cheques have gone to?

189 Sid 6.7  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:30:01am

I think my check is late too, please send an additional one for my time and trouble!

190 DoubleU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:30:11am

Wait...I can can get on the Israeli payroll?

191 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:31:16am

re: #183 American Jewess In Jerusalem

When you have time, I think you should. This issue isn't going away, and you'll want to have your homework done.

Congrats on the move, and welcome back.

192 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:31:44am

re: #174 looking closely

#156

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreparable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

My point exactly.

And being of European origin (although rather brownish- mediterranean but with Viking size- and evidently with many GreatGrand Mothers enjoying a lot of action) I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

193 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:33:59am

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

If so, I think it's backfired. They have been exposed, and Charles isn't the one with egg on his face.

194 jemima  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:34:25am

Just curious. According to fjordman and the nationalist Europeans, are Jews white? If not, does that mean they are free to have another holocaust in order to make Europe safe for "whites"? German Jews made the mistake of thinking they were Germans and Hitler would never come after them.

How stupid should we be in order to just get along this time? Sorry if we're a little leery of you, Europe, having learned a lesson that was writ large just 60+ years ago.

195 talon_262  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:35:00am

I have a feeling Fjordman's gonna go the way of General Chen before too long, if Charles hasn't got fed up with him yet.

196 Josephine  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:36:37am

re: #45 Quella

I like "zio-con"! Did you make that up?

197 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:37:58am

re: #193 Sharmuta

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

If so, I think it's backfired. They have been exposed, and Charles isn't the one with egg on his face.

YES ! And Charles has shown once more his colors as a leader, going the difficult way and asking the difficult questions IN REAL TIME.

This guy is gonna be someone , I tell ya.

LOL !

198 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:42:40am

re: #194 jemima

Just curious. According to fjordman and the nationalist Europeans, are Jews white?

Of course not, that's why they use the WHITE thing so often, it's a coded message.

/and since at the back of my head there is the infamous "brown stain" of the mediterranean peoples, neither am I.

//many Europeans have other "racial" origins, if we want to talk about these idiocies, it is a surprising matter

///the most recent DNA studies have anyway revealed that the original movement towards Europe had been from the area that today we call Turkey. Imagine how ignorant these babies are.

199 Kim Hartveld  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:43:08am

re: #194 jemima
You nailed it.

200 goodbye_natalie  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:43:31am

To heck with who is a Nazi, who's a Zionist, who's a Jew. Money is money. Because none of you scumbags told me I was on the Israeli payroll and somebody has been stiffing me. And the worst thing about all of you traitors is that I had to hear about this on another blog from my friend Arnie Amsterdamsky.

And if I had known that, I would have tried to be more clever. My one-liners have probably killed my future performance evaluations now. I might as well look for another job.

201 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:44:08am

On my Fourth LGF birthday I killed a thread...

/must be the deodorant

202 rogue yam  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:47:11am

I think Fjordman's piece to which Charles linked above is reasonable and substantive. By contrast there is an awful lot of snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread. Fjordman points out ways in which he sees white Europeans as being treated differently than anyone else anywhere. Is it impossible that anything he says on this subject is true, fair, and important?

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

203 MattMacD  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:48:39am

re: #55 wanumba

re: #31 Geepers


I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.


Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."


Another ding-ding-ding! What does the common American riff-raff know about such nuanced things?

I'm not even american. I get what they mean by "european nationalism". It's not what I would call... good nationalism, i.e. the american kind (which isn't race-based).

I don't care what race they are, racists are racists. Mugabe is a moron, and so are these guys. They don't care about the facts, other than the ones validating their simple-minded hatred of anything genetically different. They will destroy their own countries by attaching their ego to their "race".

My chinese wife sees it as I do - genetic diversity is good!

204 Kim Hartveld  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:48:55am

#198 Poitiers-Lepanto 11/01/07 9:42:40 am

Of course not, that's why they use the WHITE thing so often, it's a coded message

That's exactly what makes me suspicious of this Fjordman character.

205 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:52:30am

#202

snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread

But of course, it's a Zionist conspiracy.

/make an effort and read the comments, today's comments and the last seven or so days', and convince yourself that here on LGF there is no space for the fourth reich supporters.

206 Tatterdemalian  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:53:31am

When people say "Zionist," what they really mean is, "Jew." Just do the replacement in any article in the Brussels Journal, and you'll see how anti-semitic they are.

207 ducktrapper  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:53:53am

I've always liked Fjordman's essays. Never saw a nazi angle but maybe I don't speak "the code". I would be disappointed if he was a nazi. In both him and my "spidie-senses".

208 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 9:54:30am

re: #202 rogue yam

By contrast there is an awful lot of snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread.

As opposed to the comment threads at Brussels Journal, where you'll find open antisemitism. Oops. I mean, "anti-Zionism."

209 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:00:40am

re: #202 rogue yam

Fjordman is not pushing an anti-jihad agenda.
He is pushing a white Belgium agenda. Islam is just the current threat he is against.

210 code red 21  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:01:59am

re: #200 goodbye_natalie

To heck with who is a Nazi, who's a Zionist, who's a Jew. Money is money. Because none of you scumbags told me I was on the Israeli payroll and somebody has been stiffing me. And the worst thing about all of you traitors is that I had to hear about this on another blog from my friend Arnie Amsterdamsky.

And if I had known that, I would have tried to be more clever. My one-liners have probably killed my future performance evaluations now. I might as well look for another job.

You're fired and no, you will not get severence pay.

211 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:02:53am

re: #19 wanumba

re: #14 NoSubmission


Israeli payroll?What a joke.

You ... you mean this check isn't good?

I cashed mine and with only an added $2 I got a Venti at Starbuck's. So, yes...the check is good.

212 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:03:03am

re: #202 rogue yam

Is it impossible that anything he says on this subject is true, fair, and important?

If he'd stop being disingenuous, we might be able to find out.

213 Don Miguel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:05:20am

Anyone who's seen Amsterdamsky (BTW, an American) on The Brussels Journal or No Pasaran knows that he's an anti-Semite and ignores most everything he says.

In defense of Fjordman, I believe one of the reasons he quit maintaining his own blog was because his views seem to attract some of the racial supremacist and neo-Nazi types and he didn't want to have to deal with them. I had a couple of email conversations with him a couple of years back and my clear impression was that he did not hold with that kind of people.

214 McNug  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:06:35am

re: #175 kynna

I'm still trying to work out exactly what a 'Zionist' is.

If one of your parents was a Zionist, you're a Zionist.

215 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:07:23am

re: #213 Don Miguel

Anyone who's seen Amsterdamsky (BTW, an American) on The Brussels Journal or No Pasaran knows that he's an anti-Semite and ignores most everything he says.

OK. So why do they tolerate him at Brussels Journal?

In defense of Fjordman, I believe one of the reasons he quit maintaining his own blog was because his views seem to attract some of the racial supremacist and neo-Nazi types ...

OK. So why do you think that is?

216 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:09:43am

#40 Daybrother . . .

When challenged, the same groups' supporters respond with antisemitism and bigoted conspiracy theories--precisely the tactics used by the Islamists. They need to at the very least get a decent script together because simply assembling a European mob with torches and pitchforks isn't gonna cut it.

Well stated.

Don't those bozos have some good arguments, like supporting women's rights, the right to leave Islam, the wrongness of honor killings and clitorectomies, the right to an education, the wrongness of jihad, etc. etc. I could help them write a list of things to be for besides "whiteness."

217 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:12:51am

#216 re my list of things to be for . . .

Since we are talking about "Belgium," in particular, how about including the right to drink beer, eat red meat (non-halal) and pork, and walk down the street without hiding one's hair and face.

218 jemima  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:13:28am

"Who will rid me of these troublesome Jews?" Europe wants to cry out again. But having been humiliated so recently, they dissemble. They pretend their true desires are not what they are. They think that lashing out at cowboy Americans will put them on higher ground while their cultural underpinnings crumble beneath them. Any target but the actual threat.

219 beej  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:15:34am

Gosh, I'm so disappointed in hearing about this. I always looked forward to Fjordman's posts. Have we missed something all this while by misunderstanding European thought process, along the lines of what Poitiers-Lepanto said...speaking of white nationalism = fascism?

I haven't caught up on all the posts, but P-L has it nailed---the LLL's are always looking for ways to quash this site, or smear Charles in some form or another.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-Nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreparable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Exactly the reason you mustn't associate with these groups. Our mothers were right, you know, 'One bad apple spoils the whole bushel.'

220 konservo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:16:57am

I don't know too much about the Brussels Journal, but when I made the comment: "It sounds like they are trying to argue that Europe must unite under Christianity"

There was clear evidence of this in the B.J. post, which I quoted.

221 Jimash  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:19:28am

Friends and neighbors.
I have been asked not to indulge myself in this forum, by my family.
So i have tried to concentrate on my work.
Anyway here I take a LONG look at a subject I was interested in when I first heard that Sept. 11 demonstrations would be banned inBrussels.
And after a long look, I am sad.

Sad that there is still such a gap between Euro-concepts and American Ideals.
Really sad that people are ready to throw in with a bad crowd, and waste
whatever credibility they have.
Sad that the only outcome of that, that seems likely, is street violence.
Sad that they still do not understand about basing your nationalism on ideals instead of heredity.
Sad that we WILL have to do it again.
Sad to lose respect for Fjordman or PAm Geller or RS or BY.
WTF ?
Glad to still be under the wing of rabid Zionists.

222 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:21:04am

A few days ago, I received this email from Bruce Bawer, author of "While Europe Slept" (a terrific book on radical Islam in Europe), and I'm reprinting it here with his permission:

---

Hi Charles,

Your concerns about Vlaams Belang/Blok and the Sverigedemokraterna are totally justified.

In May, Paul Belien wrote as follows in the Washington Times: "Europe is in the middle of a three-way culture war between the defenders of traditional Judeo-Christian morality, the proponents of secular hedonism and the forces of Islamic Jihadism."

”Secular hedonism” is plainly his term for secular liberalism. Plainly he identifies with what he calls ”traditional Judeo-Christian morality.” And the structure of his sentence suggests that for him both ”secular hedonism” and ”Islamic Jihadism” are equal enemies.

And what about those of us who foolishly think this is a war for INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY? Are we just supposed to sit back and shut up and take orders from a bunch of little Euro-fascists?

As we say in Norway, stå på! (Stick to your guns!)

All best,
Bruce

223 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:22:18am

What fundamentally this conflict of blogs concerns is a disagreement on a core aspect of our ideologies. Fjordman and others are defending an idea of nationalism that includes a race element -- specifically the white race. For instance:

re: #35 Fjordman

OK Charles, since you make this to be about racism, I'd like to hear your definition of racism. The indigenous population of all European countries is white. If European countries would like to maintain the indigenous population as the majority, this by extension means a white majority. Do you think the people in, say, Norway, have the right to desire an immigration policy which ensures a traditional demographic majority, or is this racism? If so, how come non-European countries are allowed to desire the same thing without being attacked?

Since you're so preoccupied with racism, will you also launch an equally passionate campaign against the Whiteness Studies now taught in increasing numbers of American educational institutions, sometimes with the support of public money?

Aside from the laughably fallacious argument that leftists often use that we are not speaking out enough about other kinds of racists, there is a notion of white nationalism plainly being defended here. This is not about "politically correct" nonsense or immediately trying to tar all of the opponents to our position as neo-Nazis, but rather a serious and legitimate disagreement among, assumably, responsible parties. LGF has raised these concerns in a reasonable and well evidenced manner. It is utmost of importance that we see through the attempt at obfuscating this issue of racial ideology by referring to very stupid cases of leftists charging "racism" at the drop of the hat or Europe's multiculti totalitarians; for some reason, some folks think they can confuse everyone with such red herrings. Further, our strong disagreement on the defendibility and morality of "white nationalism" -- the most euphemistic way to phrase it in fact -- has led to further disagreements on which European parties with whom we ought both morally and practically to form allegiances, to the great outrage of those Europeans and others who disagree with LGF. One of the key points, here, is that the analogy of allying with Stalin (an evil) against the Nazis (an immiment threat to survival) is flawed, for we are now not at war but building awareness and building a legitimate anti-jihad movement.

The trouble for the opponents of LGF's position, and what much of this fury is about, is that we are rejecting that racial ideology as morally wrong and destructive of the anti-jihad movement. As a response, rather than confronting the issue and the substantive disagreement, we have seen numerous attacks on LGF, insulting comments by Paul Belien and many others about our ignorance as Americans of European politics, and most recently charges that we are controlled by the Jews. This comes as a genuine shame to some of us who had been defending the moderate faction of the Vlaams Belang. Defenses of this ideology of race are appearing by people we once saw as close allies in the fight against Islamization (for example, we saw a recent piece in the Brussels Journal endorse the antisemitic BNP as well as racial ideology: [Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...] This entire event is an excellent opportunity not only for the anti-jihad supporters to firmly take the moral and wise stand against the ideology that brings race into identity and nationalism, but for parties such as the VB and the SD to discern the fatal flaw in their platform and to start anew -- leaving the alliances with white supramacist groups and individuals like Haider, Le Pen, the NDP, etc. to rot in their own evil having been cut off.

224 Alouette  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:24:18am

Yeah, I do get Zionist checks, but that's only because I sell stuff at the Zionist Mall. (Sale on Chanukah menorahs!)

225 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:24:42am

Since this isn't a dead thread yet, I guess I'll add to my too-short list of Belgian things that Belgians should treasure.

Brussel sprouts, French (Belgian) fries, Magritte, Paul Delvaux

I'm sorry I don't know more about Belgian culture. Maybe the Belgian nationalists can enlighten me. I know the Flemish did a lot of fabulous paintings, but I would have to look up their names to list them.

Lace? Not my thing, but some may like it.

226 beej  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:28:06am

Amsterdamsky just begs for some cracks on his nic. For some reason, it makes me think of igPay atinLay.
~~~
I've been here a long time, and I've never ever noted that anyone here thinks there are moderate Islamists. I think the over-all tone is caution about blowing up Islamic places IN CASE there are, but big doubts as to whether there are many, if any. And trying to call them out of the shadows. You know, err on the side of caution. This blog is continually posting about the extremes in Islam...where did he get the idea about lgfers and moderate Islam?

227 konservo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:29:05am
re: #223 Yank in the EU

It is utmost of importance that we see through the attempt at obfuscating this issue of racial ideology by referring to very stupid cases of leftists charging "racism" at the drop of the hat or Europe's multiculti totalitarians; for some reason, some folks think they can confuse everyone with such red herrings.

Great post. I would also add that arguing that "their is no one else to turn to in Europe besides groups like VB" is equally a red herring.

228 Pope Insouciance IV  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:29:36am

I wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for Ed's weather reports and the rampant speculations about Hillary's carnal conquests. Frankly, I'll have to do a search to see what references there are to this "Israel" place you mention.

229 ducktrapper  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:30:01am

'twould appear that there is a special element to the Belien/Fjordman blog that I haven't noticed. While it seems innocent to maintain a polite fiction, I fear that even non islamist muslims and ordinary folks would suffer under such a policy, all for the national good. Where have we heard that before? I am and always will be for the rights of the individual. Whether to say allahu akbar or F___ Mohammed up the a___ ! That is a major problem with both Islamism and Nazism and why I want no part of either. Now about these shekels?

230 sifty  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:30:31am

Damn. Miss a couple days and everything goes to hell.

I'm still cashing my obscenely large Zionist paychecks and spreading strife wherever I can.

We don't need crazies or bigots on our side to defeat the muz's jihad: we have the truth, the ballot box, and if all else fails and the shit hits the fan...the 2nd Amendment.

231 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:37:16am

re: #223 Yank in the EU

re: #227 konservo

It's more than red herrings- he, pamela, and others have also gone ad hominem. It has become clear over the last week that they do not wish to discuss this with us because their arguments have been nothing but disingenuous- and that is not conducive to understanding. They want to cling to their position, and they might be feeling a bit desperate for us to shut up about it, so we can carry on as though none of this happened, and there are no fascist elements among us. To that I say- fat chance.

232 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:38:12am

re: #227 konservo

Well said. Vlaams Belang's motto is "Het enige alternatief" (the only alternative). But that is a fairly manipulative concept for forcing people to join the extreme party out of panic. There are always decent ways to fight, even if it seems difficult with the stranglehold by the socialists.

233 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:38:54am

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

Oh, Fjordman's hallucination day. 3 to 5 percent of the population in the EU are Muslims and this includes countries like Bulgaria where Muslims are no immigrants but indigenous people. That means that 95 to 97 percent of the the population in the EU is "from white and European descent" (whatever this means). Where does he see the danger for Europe? Yes, there are hot spots like France, Sweden or some regions in GB. F. spreads panic and scares the people to gain political ground for his friends from the neofascist parties.

There is no need for such hysterical behavior. We need rational people with rational solutions.

234 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:41:02am

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

One thing I'll say about fjordman; the guy is devoid of a sense of humor.

Over the years I never heard him make even one attempt at humor. He's got a real rough stick up his ass.

I just read your link to Fjordman and see that he completely misunderstands the posters at LGF. He thinks that we, as a group, defend affirmative action, blackness studies, women's studies, whiteness studies, "La Raza," etc.

Though I'm sure collectively we might all have different opinions on the subjects I listed above, I'm willing to bet that most of us are against "quotas" (which affirmative action quickly became), "women's studies" (which degenerated into men bashing instead of giving a fresh look at women in history using improved research techniques), etc.

Fjordman clearly does not understand what we are saying here. I don't know if he's ever traveled through the United States (NYC, LA, and Disneyland don't count).

Fjordman...come to my neighborhood, and you'll see why we Americans can't support "whiteness" as a guiding principle.

BTW, I just came from a check-up by an American-born Indian-American doctor with a Jewish name. How did that happen? Maybe she's a Hindu, but she sure looked and dressed like a beautiful American woman.

235 ARCountryBoy  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:45:08am

re: #4 Iron Fist

I'm not a mercenary, but I do cash my paychecks...

Really? I signed up for direct deposit. Ah yes, that special time at the first of the month when my Israeli pay comes automatic to my bank account. It's a beautiful thing.

Blast these "progressive" thinkers and their conspiracy logic. How could they have discovered that half of us volunteer and half of us are getting paid? I smell a mole...

/kidding

236 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:47:50am

re: #112 Charles

I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

Just got to your post. That's a good summary of Fjordman's arguments. It's the same tactic used by LLLs when I try to explain why I'm against the spread of jihadism and Islam. They always come up with the same reasoning...well, what about the Crusades?

Diversonary tactics, irrelevant nonsense, and ad hominem attacks. That's what passes for conversation and discussion among the so-called educated. The school systems of both Europe and America should be ashamed of themselves.

237 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:49:25am

Another thread at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe - The Brussels Journal.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

"WN" is their abbreviation for "White Nationalism."

238 Render  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:49:32am

"We just took down two minor European nazi political parties that were trying to sneak into the Anti-Jihad party!"

"That's nice dear, did you take out the trash?"

PERSPECTIVES,
R

239 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:49:42am

re: #234 Promethea

(NYC, LA, and Disneyland don't count).

They are not the same place?


/lame one liner alert

240 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:55:40am

re: #138 WriterMom

re: #131 TalkinKamel

THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!
Goldberg, Iceberg THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

Isn't that a joke about the sinking of the Titanic? Hmmm. Could be a metaphor for European culture hitting a gigantic racist iceberg.

Also, Jews probably caused the Ice Age and Global Warming. It's our hair rays. More powerful than the Sun itself.

241 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:57:40am
242 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:58:41am

re: #238 Render

"We just took down two minor European nazi political parties that were trying to sneak into the Anti-Jihad party!"

"That's nice dear, did you take out the trash?"

LOL !
Sometimes I do feel life is like that...

243 Render  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:58:42am

re: #237 Charles

"Respectable?"

I'm guessing that commenter doesn't know about Kevin Strom yet?

Are those comments moderated and approved?

SAYS
IT
ALL,
R

244 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 10:59:33am

re: #234 Promethea

I can't remember who said it over the last week but I've come to believe it- europeans have no understanding of Americans. fjordman seems to be proof positive of that.

But what is most pathetic is his attempts to obfuscate and the ad hominem attacks while claiming we are they ones using leftist tactics. It's hypocritical. And now he's blatantly lying about LGFers, because hey- there's still a couple planks left of that bridge.

245 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:00:28am
246 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:01:44am
Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke

And that's all I need to read. If bj thinks david duke is respectable, that should tell you all you need to know about that site.

I've said this to someone once before, but cognitive dissonance of the right is no prettier than that of the left. They fail to understand why this "movement" hasn't gained traction with middle "white" America. What's worse- they refuse to listen to us tell them the "why". They don't want to know- because it might just make them take a good, hard look at themselves- and with the rhetoric they're spewing- would you want to look at yourself if you were them?

247 kynna  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:02:47am

re: #237 Charles

Another thread at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe - The Brussels Journal.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.
"WN" is their abbreviation for "White Nationalism."

I hate that they included the Minutemen in their list of horror. More smears.

248 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:03:36am

re: #213 Don Miguel

So why is he now a true believer of them? And why didn't he reflect his standpoint when he was aware that those people agree with him?

249 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:03:43am

re: #237 Charles

Blech.

I think we all need to watch for that cute little abbreviation "WN" a little more closely.

250 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:04:04am

re: #237 Charles

I don't think the Aussies or Kiwi's need any white supremacists from Belgium mass emigrating.

251 Promethea  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:04:04am

re: #169 WriterMom

re: #165 TalkinKamel

SUSHI POWER!

I gotta get some lunch.

That's funny. I just had Finnish-style French toast. (Corner Bakery baked French toast)

Ooooh, oooh our precious American culture--ham and eggs for breakfast, peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch--is being destroyed ! ! ! Call in the race purifiers.

252 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:06:08am

The $64,000 64,000 shekel question:

Does "WN" Europe include, or exclude Jews?

DON'T ANSWER THAT!

253 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:08:31am

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

Fascists in Europe speak like him all the time, in public.
Of course they do, because there are very strict laws against re-building the fascist party in many European Countries, so the fascists had to find a way to speak without being "caught".
The obsession with the WHITE Europe is what gives him away.

This is called "news speak".

254 Yashmak  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:10:27am

I am not rabidly zionist.

Can I have my sh*t now?

255 rogerskirk  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:12:35am

Please understand that Amsterdamsky is a troll at Brussels Journal. He is on the offensive all the time spewing his anti-Semitic remarks over there.

He is not representative of the average commenter at BJ.

256 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:16:22am
#245 buzzsawmonkey
"Having abandoned national history, having rejected religion on pro-rationalist and anti-sectarian grounds, what besides "ethnicity" is left to provide a readily-available and readily-comprehensible rallying point?"

Well, there's always that tried and true one--antisemitism.

257 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:18:41am

I have posted this at BJournal and am trying to at Gates of Vienns

First off, I’m a nobody sitting at a keyboard. Words cannot express the appreciation that I have for Charles Johnson and the hours he has put in creating a clearinghouse of information about the inroads Islamofascism is making in Western society, and it’s all too effective use of our own pathetic cultural weaknesses in advancing it’s totalitarian agenda. My appreciation equally extends to Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal.


I thus feel like I am not only watching the falling out of friends, but, far more important, the falling out of allies for whom the only winner is the totalitarian movement.

So, some observations that might be my tiny little contribution toward healing the rift.

1) I think Charles is wrong to banish these links (GoV and BJ) from his blogroll. It is his right to have whoever he wants on his blog, but he is now a “public figure” (of sorts), and others are within their rights to judge him for it. It just seems totally petty, a wrong way to treat an ally in the movement, and ill-befitting the spirit of the blogosphere. Just my $.02

2) His vehemence over this issue strikes me as a bit over the top, but that’s just me. Like, for example, US troubles with France or even Russia in 1944, go ahead and get on record, but belaboring the point seems like you are looking for an ill-timed fight.

Now in his defense...


3) One reaction of many is to hurl “neo-con”... Blah blah blah. Feel free to differ with me, but I think the whole “neo-con” thing of the past decade is absolute horse-puckey. Far more people are accused of being “neo-cons” than label themselves as such, and thus the very phrase is more about those saying it than those it is said about. The fact that it, as a charge, seems to gravitate toward prominent Jewish-Americans and ardent supporters of Israel is not lost on many, nor that the-word seems to be used far more by non-Americans than Americans. Many of those so labeled are simply conservatives who are ideologically not liked by others, and are saddled with the dreaded, “ooh, scary neo-cons...” label by those who are opposed to American conservatives for all the standard reasons.

4) What Charles does show is a profound unease with the European right, and one that is not unjustified. The fact is, we all know (if I may caricature for a moment) that European starry-eyed enamorment of extremes is all too familiar by now. It has been almost exclusively of the left since WWII, but, to read many of the European rights own web pages (such as the BNP, not Europe, I know, but still...), we find that they can be just as socialist, just as hostile to “evil capitalism”, just as anti-American as their Trotskyite counterparts. We find the very weird sight of neo-nazis and the like being downright sympathetic to the same Arab terror movements (overseas at least) that will happily ensconce themselves in Europe to fight for the Eurabian agenda. The only possible explanation is that they despise the Jews, who have FAR less of a footprint in Europe today, and remain physically indistinguishable from indigenous Europeans, more than anyone or anything else, including a host of people, who, far from trying to “fit-in” as so many Jews have always done, take the exact opposite track of setting themselves up as total opponents of the very culture that they live in. In essence, one wonders if many Muslims in Europe are doing exactly what Jews have, I believe, been unfairly accused of doing in the early 20th century, i.e. trying to “take over” institutions, to their own ends, etc. That some rightist groups can look over the landscape of today and STILL see Jews as the greater threat simply boggles the mind. (cont.)

258 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:19:25am

(cont.)

5) So given the past history, I think what Charles, and I, and those dreaded “neo-cons”... would like to see, is the parties of the Euro-right say loudly and forcefully that they are NOT about skin color, they are not about “The Jews”, and that all are welcome in their movement. They ARE about culture, they ARE about tradition, they ARE about language, they ARE demanding that citizens and immigrants have obligations, and they ARE NOT about apologizing for any of the latter, even though the people who created all that are basically White Christians (horrors!). And that Muslims are welcome in such movements, but are expected to adhere to the Judeo-Christian foundations and history of the nation which they have chosen to be a part of. If that is not acceptable to them, there are plenty of airports out there. But skin-color, and heritage, meaning “race”, is off the table for discussion, exclusion, or measurement in any way. Maybe these parties are already saying this and it is not being heard (are they?), but maybe they have an obligation to their own movement to say it repeatedly and loudly.


I’m just a bloviating Yank, so what do I know, and much of what I say here can apply to the US as well, but that’s not the issue here. I guess what is is that, if these parties of the Euro-right want to fight this battle most effectively, they probably need to be REALLY REALLY forthright about some of their failings in these matters, past and present. Charles seems to be of a mind that they are not doing so. If he is wrong, let it be said loudly and clearly, and for the sake of Western Civilization, let us get back onto the same page as soon as possible.

259 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:20:41am

"Armor" is a prolific commentator at BJ:

Reflect on this one for a while:

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

The Jewish genocide is mainly used by the extreme left and the media as a weapon to hurt Europe and attack European genes through the means of mass immigration. Many Jews are at the forefront of this tactic. I am sure they care about what happened to their people at the time of Hitler's Europe, but they are not soberly remembering that episode. They are using it ad nauseam to hurt us. By the way, the Jews were certainly not in the past, and are certainly not today the least race conscious people on the earth. How did they manage to retain their cohesiveness during several centuries living among Europeans? How can they accuse us of racism towards them and claim that they are exempt of any racism towards us? This is dishonest. How should we call the policy of mass immigration aimed at the white race? Although I know that not all Jews agree with it. The crime of Hitler was not racism, it was mass murder.

260 aaron  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:20:44am

For the record, I still miss Bigel.

261 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:22:12am

The white supremacists are only a tiny fringe of Europeans. The vast majority are "moderates" who are afraid to speak out and upset the very vocal (and frikkin' scary) minority.

Oh, wait. I think I'm a bit mixed up...

262 cagney  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:22:19am

I'm 100% behind Charles with his efforts to distance himself with elements in the European blog/anti-jihadi movement.

Some of these elements lay claims that they have left their anti-Semitic/fascist past behind. With a blog like LGF, which has a large mainstream audience, being connected to them gives these elements credibility which they do not deserve.

263 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:23:15am

re: #257 Andrew X

I think Charles is wrong to banish these links (GoV and BJ) from his blogroll. It is his right to have whoever he wants on his blog, but he is now a “public figure” (of sorts), and others are within their rights to judge him for it. It just seems totally petty, a wrong way to treat an ally in the movement, and ill-befitting the spirit of the blogosphere. Just my $.02

You're welcome to your opinion, but the bottom line for me is that I don't want to be associated with those opinions. Period.

264 Deseeded  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:25:18am

Dear LGF,

Thanks for nothing. Why couldn't you give me sh*t because of my lack of Zionism? I haven't even received one negative rating or been accused of being a leftard or a communist.

Seriously, where's the hate? Why can't you just hate me?

Masochistically yours,

Deseeded

265 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:25:26am
266 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:25:40am

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

I'm utterly sure that this was an organized hit.

267 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:28:31am

Jonathan Kay makes the point that the other folks rebelling against multiculturalism are secular lefties--Pim Fortuyn types: [Link: communities.canada.com...]

268 konservo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:29:14am

re: #231 Sharmuta

The ad hominems were completely absurd too: "Some of us were actually at the conference," "Charles at LGF (who knows nothing of European politics)" and "'White culture' means something different in Europe." What kind of crap is that?

re: #232 Yank in the EU

Well, it looks like the tactic worked because the B.J. bought it hook, line and sinker.

269 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:31:01am

re: #60 Carl in Jerusalem

Europe: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

You are not kidding. So passive, then violent. Isn't there something in between that they could do? They're strong people...

270 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:33:25am

re: #78 Charles

This 'Jewish conspiracy' attitude is quite common in comments at Brussels Journal, by the way. I haven't seen Belien write anything like this, but he's very tolerant of it appearing in his comments.

And there are hardly any Jews left there... It is sooo pathetic.

271 someone  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:35:01am

re: #246 Sharmuta

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke

And that's all I need to read. If bj thinks david duke is respectable, that should tell you all you need to know about that site.

It was a lone commenter, not the proprietor. God knows we've seen enough of this type of comment-quoting by lgf bashers.

272 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:35:05am

Certainly your right, Charles. God go with you for what you do in this world, and I am so glad to be able to personally thank you for it.

You have done more for Western Civ than I ever will, and I cannot thank you enough.

273 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:35:12am

re: #257 Andrew X

It just seems totally petty, a wrong way to treat an ally in the movement, and ill-befitting the spirit of the blogosphere.

So when told he was "aligned" with cair he should have taken it lying down, huh? Because stabbing a friend in the back is most certainly not how one should treat an ally.

274 Padrino  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:36:29am

I lolled.

275 konservo  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:38:34am

re: #259 Yank in the EU
From the bj:

The Jewish genocide is mainly used by the extreme left and the media as a weapon to hurt Europe and attack European genes through the means of mass immigration.

Although this is a comment from the Bj, and therefore does not necessarily represent the views of the authors of the blog, it still show the kind of crowd that they attract. Where have I heard this argument before... ? Oh, right! This is almost exactly what Ahmadinejad says about the Holocaust and the "Evil Zionist Conspiracy" to turn it and 9/11 into "false idols."

276 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:38:39am

Sharmut -

Do read enough of my post to see my defense of Charles Johnson. I'm just trying to bridge a terribly unfortunate divide here.

277 scaramouche  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:38:56am

#265 buzzsawmonkey

I understand where you're coming from. But as a student of antisemitism I know all too well that appeals to "ethnicity" are just as likely as appeals to "nationalism" to result in the usual suspects (the ones who "killed Jesus" and, in their modern guise, are currently hassling all those oppressed Palestinians) finding themselves in the crosshairs of angy, frustrated people. So while I agree that multiculturalism is a crock--the Trojan Horse that has allowed Islamic supremacism to set up shop in Europe and here in Canada--I have a hard time believing that Europeans re-discovereing their "ethnicity" is in any way going to, as they say, be good for the Jews.

278 Abu Kuffar  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:38:58am

re: #162 American Jewess In Jerusalem

I too remember Fjordman being one of the good guys and now...
future looks pretty hopeless

279 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:40:02am

re: #263 Charles

"Clowns to the left of me, jokers to the right
Here I am
Stuck in the middle with you
"

280 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:40:17am

re: #276 Andrew X

Well- in my defense I was writing that while you were discussing that with Charles- so I was just slow. My bad.

281 rogue yam  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:41:13am

re: #209 hous bin pharteen

"Fjordman is not pushing an anti-jihad agenda.
He is pushing a white Belgium agenda. Islam is just the current threat he is against."

Fjordman is Norwegian, to my understanding, but whatever. I won't assume to know what you mean by "white Belgian agenda" but I will say that I believe that individual Belgians or Norwegians or any other Europeans have a right to choose who, if anyone, they would allow to immigrate to their countries and to use whatever criteria they choose in making their choice. Also, it seems to me that one point that Fjordman is making is that Europeans are being criticised for how they might choose among potential immigrants in a way that is not being applied to other countries.

If there were only two countries on Earth, one called Belgium where most people were white and nominally Christian, and another called Saudi Arabia where virtually all people were Arab and Muslim, and the immigration was all into Belgium and the requirements for compromise and "multiculturalism" fell only on the Belgians, then it would be obvious that the Belgian culture was facing an existential threat. The actual present situation is more complicated, of course, but Fjordman and others are forseeing an existential threat to their cultures nonetheless. What I see on this comment thread in response to Fjordman's quite reasonable arguments is a bunch of mindless sanctimony, juvenile sneering, and demogogic name-calling. That won't save Belgium from anything.

282 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:41:15am

re: #260 aaron

For the record, I still miss Bigel.

The blue-on-blue blog fight is too calm and reasoned for you, eh?

;^)

283 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:41:40am

#258 Andrew X

for the sake of Western Civilization, let us get back onto the same page as soon as possible.

Racists, white supremacist, and fascists have NOTHING to do with Western Civilization. They are the fruit of two centuries of utter nihilism, EXACTLY like their marxist brothers.
Their hate and their despair, thier violence and their bloodlust are a shame.
They don't know the ABC of the Western Civilization. They didn't in the past, they don't today.
They don't believe in G*d AND they don't trust Reason, they are the image of the beast that human kind becomes when it renounces the duties of its call.

The West is, at least, the Work to become humans.

The Logos and the Torah are a hard job that these fellows don't want to do.

284 strandedSF  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:42:00am

I feel badly about Fjordman, but I don't think the Europeans understand how offensive racial supremacist thought is to Americans.

I think we learned our lessons from the Civil War what the consequences of such thinking are to our way of life, not to mention morality and humanity.

You'd think the Europeans would have learned the same thing from the Holocaust, but I guess not.

While I have sympathy for their frustration with pernicious multi-culturalism and continental gag rules that limit free speech, the way to defeat these trends is not through white supremacy. It's regrissive and dangerous. That dog just won't hunt.

285 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:42:16am

re: #257 Andrew X

Perhaps you'll consider my brief responses:

I think Charles is wrong to banish these links (GoV and BJ) from his blogroll.

After the ad hominem attacks against Charles and the distortion of LGF's arguments, for his raising well-evidenced, reasonably concerns and for urging extreme caution? Heck no. That response right there, plus, what we are reading in their own words, suggest a veering far off the right and open path -- to the peril of the anti-jihadist cause. The defenses of racial nationalism are beyond the pale. Dewinter made countless such statements. That white power symbol on his shelf is no accident; let's not be naive -- that's not a Celtic Cross. I, too, think something like the VB's endorsing the quite openly racist BNP is 'repugnant.'

Like, for example, US troubles with France or even Russia in 1944, go ahead and get on record, but belaboring the point seems like you are looking for an ill-timed fight.

Confer, please, [Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

They ARE about culture, they ARE about tradition, they ARE about language, they ARE demanding that citizens and immigrants have obligations, and they ARE NOT about apologizing for any of the latter, even though the people who created all that are basically White Christians (horrors!).

It is one thing to factually be a white Christian and it is quite another to build an ideology on the concept of being white. Nativism contains a virulent flaw in it that is like cancer. To not see that they defend this position is to be willfully blind or extremely unable to grasp the basic meaning of what racial nationalism means. They absolutely can be nationalist about their culture, their language, fight the jihadists, limit immigration, and all of this without bringing in the biological / physiological element of race, but they will refuse to do so. They are heavily invested in WN.

286 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:43:09am

re: #276 Andrew X

Excuse me- I must elaborate.

1) My nic has an "A" at the end of it.
2) I did read your post.
3) Start the bridge on the other side, and don't guilt Charles- he didn't start this.

Thank you.

287 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:43:54am

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

Does this mean that there is a solid core of people who, though anti-jihadi, deep down believe that the fact that the West has to deal with the jihadis at all is all Israel's fault?

It would seem so. The Left blames Israel for being the cause of the jihad, even as it denies the jihad's existence; elements on the right blame Israel for being the cause of the jihad, while using the jihad as a rallying point.

The hard Left is willing to make common cause with radical Islam in order to a) bash the West, b) bash Israel and gain cover for their antisemitism, and c) try and use the jihadis as cat's-paws in the fatuous hope that they will be able to assume power when the jihadis have done the heavy lifting of destroying Western society.

Many ostensibly in the anti-jihadi camp are uncomfortably similar to the hard Left. Unlike the Left, they do not make common cause with the jihadis; rather, they vocally oppose them. But they do so in order to a) work for a West which is more "culturally pure," b) bash Israel as the original cause/catalyst for the jihad and gain cover for their antisemitism, and c) try and use their opposition to the jihadis as leverage to assume power.

Talk about tryind to steer between Scylla and Charybdis!

buzzsawmonkey - have you read Michael Oren's book Power, Faith, and Fantasy: America In the Middle East, 1776 to the Present? It's really good and shows that the jihadi lifestyle has been going on way longer than Israel has been a country. The victims have always been civilians and any diverted groups that they target. And remember the alignment of the mufti and Hitler... I actually think some Euros and Russians are basically following their reduced remaining departed Jewish populations to the Middle East and using the neighbors to keep on picking at them. It must frost them to have decimated their Jewish populations and then have Israel rising up like the Phoenix in Harry Potter. A frustrating turn of circumstance for those who just can't get the Jews out of their minds.

288 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:45:26am

re: #275 konservo
Concur. It is invalid to make inferences from instances of posters. However, we can very well note those words as deeply disturbing and illustrative of a particular mentality.

289 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:45:40am

re: #281 rogue yam

re: #209 hous bin pharteen

"Fjordman is not pushing an anti-jihad agenda.
He is pushing a white Belgium agenda. Islam is just the current threat he is against."

Fjordman is Norwegian, to my understanding, but whatever. I won't assume to know what you mean by "white Belgian agenda" but I will say that I believe that individual Belgians or Norwegians or any other Europeans have a right to choose who, if anyone, they would allow to immigrate to their countries and to use whatever criteria they choose in making their choice. Also, it seems to me that one point that Fjordman is making is that Europeans are being criticised for how they might choose among potential immigrants in a way that is not being applied to other countries.

If there were only two countries on Earth, one called Belgium where most people were white and nominally Christian, and another called Saudi Arabia where virtually all people were Arab and Muslim, and the immigration was all into Belgium and the requirements for compromise and "multiculturalism" fell only on the Belgians, then it would be obvious that the Belgian culture was facing an existential threat. The actual present situation is more complicated, of course, but Fjordman and others are forseeing an existential threat to their cultures nonetheless. What I see on this comment thread in response to Fjordman's quite reasonable arguments is a bunch of mindless sanctimony, juvenile sneering, and demogogic name-calling. That won't save Belgium from anything.

You can align yourself with the Nazis because it suits you at the moment, but we choose not to. Dress it up all you want, but in a nutshell, that is what is being argued. That's not "mindless sanctimony". Please, don't be an ass.

290 Poitiers-Lepanto  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:47:25am

re: #289 Spiny Norman

Ditto.

/ And that's double good because today is my FOURTH LGF Birthday and on Nov. 1st 2003 my first post was to...YOU !

//perfect

291 neocon hippie  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:47:33am

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

One thing I'll say about fjordman; the guy is devoid of a sense of humor.

Over the years I never heard him make even one attempt at humor. He's got a real rough stick up his ass.


I'm just getting to this thread so my apologies if this has already been mentioned, but the same post is up at Gates of Vienna as well.

292 jimmah  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:47:58am

Andrew X - heal the rift between ourselves and a bunch of racists and their apologists,(whom we neither like nor need) and in so doing create a rift between ourselves and the rest of society? Smart thinking indeed.

293 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:47:58am
294 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:49:09am

Y in EU

"They absolutely can be nationalist about their culture, their language, fight the jihadists, limit immigration, and all of this without bringing in the biological / physiological element of race, but they will refuse to do so. They are heavily invested in WN."

That's pretty much exactly what I said, and on the BJ / GoV sites. (Well, not GoV yet, Blogger is being uncooperative) I am new to this unfortunate skirmish, so forgive me if I am not up to speed, but I certainly have not seen white nationalism in the direct postings of Paul or Fjordman et al, and I have been reading them regularily for well over a year.

I do think they are in the unfortunate place of seeing that some rather reprehensible people in Europe are the ONLY ones willing to carry the fight against encroaching Islamofascism, and are thus between the proverbial rock and hard place.

But I repeat, I am not entirely versed in the contours of this fight here, I just see it as extremely unfortunate.

295 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:51:04am

re: #289 Spiny Norman

I think one of the main reasons why americans (and me) find the whole "ethnic homogenity", "cultural isolationism", "mass deportations"-stance to be so repulsive, is because it views foreigners through the lens of "guilty until proven innocent".

I believe that most americans have a strong moral compass, and to them (and me) everything about it just screams "wrong".

296 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:51:16am

re: #290 Poitiers-Lepanto

re: #289 Spiny Norman

Ditto.

/ And that's double good because today is my FOURTH LGF Birthday and on Nov. 1st 2003 my first post was to...YOU !

//perfect

Whoa. I was having a lucid moment, I hope.

Happy anniversary, P-L.

297 Husky40  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:51:21am

Jesus Christ, now we're searching for comments making reference to "white nationalism"? So you've found a few on the blog. Your point is... what? That if some people posting there are loons, somehow all the people posting there are also loons? If a few demented losers hate Israel and can't sleep at night because of the great zionist conspiracy, does that make us all antisemites and in need of medication? This is getting out of hand and plain ridiculous.

298 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:52:56am

re: #112 Charles

I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

Please note: As far as I know, La Raza is not trying to team up with Atlas, et. al. for counterjihad, which pretty much is the topic of this blog. So why would Charles post about La Raza at this point?

299 rogue yam  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:54:12am

re: #289 Spiny Norman

re: #281 rogue yam

You can align yourself with the Nazis because it suits you at the moment, but we choose not to.

So we're not even going to discuss ideas here, just choose sides? Then what?

300 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 11:59:07am

re: #294 Andrew X

I've followed Paul a lot as well, thought never commented at BJ. He never seems to utter WN concepts; that's why I once thought he was on the right side, but now I don't believe the innocent act. He knows in what ideology the VB is invested and from which it cannot stray (WN). The denials no longer fly after all the evidence to recently be produced -- and more is forthcoming. The mask has slipped. But Fjordman most certainly does defend WN openly. See the passage that I quoted above. Consider the link to the BJ in that same post, I implore. Nobody is hunting witches here. We are concerned over material that is as plain as the eye can see.

301 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:00:15pm

re: #141 American Jewess In Jerusalem

Ha! And not only am I proud to be a Zionist, these guys would probably categorize me as a "Rabid Zionist." This is because I believe Israel has a right to exist, which give me the coveted Zionist rating. And because I believe Israel should not sit still under the rockets being chucked at them and bus bombers, etc., which gives me the bonus Rabid Zionist rating! Mazel Tov to me! So whatever you figure out, Israel, the Iron Dome, the fence, curing the world's oil addiction with new technologies, high tech, biomed and cultural excellence. Just hurry up, please.

302 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:01:42pm

re: #298 Sunlight

re: #112 Charles
I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

Please note: As far as I know, La Raza is not trying to team up with Atlas, et. al. for counterjihad, which pretty much is the topic of this blog. So why would Charles post about La Raza at this point?

IIRC, the National Council of La Raza and La Voz de Atzlán have both been brought up on this forum in the past because they have aligned themselves with Islamic terrorists in supporting the destruction of Israel. They are racist Mexican Nationalist groups, the latter just a bit more extreme.

303 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:01:52pm

re: #299 rogue yam

Discuss ideas- how do you mean? Because none of us are going to be convinced fascist ideals are anything we want to be a part of. So- what is there to discuss? Sincerely- what?

304 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:03:57pm

#300 pimf: though

305 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:04:05pm

re: #300 Yank in the EU

re: #294 Andrew X

I've followed Paul a lot as well, thought never commented at BJ. He never seems to utter WN concepts; that's why I once thought he was on the right side, but now I don't believe the innocent act. He knows in what ideology the VB is invested and from which it cannot stray (WN). The denials no longer fly after all the evidence to recently be produced -- and more is forthcoming. The mask has slipped. But Fjordman most certainly does defend WN openly. See the passage that I quoted above. Consider the link to the BJ in that same post, I implore. Nobody is hunting witches here. We are concerned over material that is as plain as the eye can see.

For me, it was the pro-BNP post that really brought home what they're about.

306 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:05:27pm

re: #297 Husky40

The point is if the blog owner associates or disassociates with ideas.

307 Spiny Norman  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:05:50pm

re: #299 rogue yam

re: #289 Spiny Norman
re: #281 rogue yam

You can align yourself with the Nazis because it suits you at the moment, but we choose not to.

So we're not even going to discuss ideas here, just choose sides? Then what?

Huh?

Maybe we should discuss David Duke's ideas. And Louis Farakhan's. And hey! Osama bin Laden has even endorsed the Kyoto Protocol; maybe his ideas are worth discussing.

Why are you trying so hard to miss the point?

308 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:05:51pm

re: #187 blogagog

re: #130 ploome hineni
Charles is the one on the attack, not the other way around. And it's quite possible that he's in the wrong, leaning so heavily on guilt by association. I'm not saying the organizations AREN'T racist, it's just not clear, at least to me. I didn't hear it in that podcast he linked, and the images Charles used turned out to be some other organization, not the one Charles is calling nazis.

My pointre: #135 WriterMom

I'm just saying that we have a more important issue to worry about (Islamofascism) than to worry about who we are fighting it with. If the party-line becomes 'kill the Jews!' or even 'kill the muslims!' I'd be with Charles on this. But clearly it's not.

Is Charles posting anywhere but here on his own blog?

309 find your violent jihadi on ebay!  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:06:02pm

I'm finding the entire topic to be very distressing and confusing. As a regular reader and occasional poster not only on LGF but also Atlas, Brussels Journal, etc., I'm just confused. Ultimately any association with the Nazi's/fascists/antisemites is going to backfire and destroy the anti-Jihad movement. Yet, there are few people in Europe standing up to the Eurabian menace, and some of those people are evil while some others are just unsavory and some may be getting maligned here and elsewhere undesevedly, while some of them more than deserve it. Charles is right ... but Atlas has good points, and Brussels Journal is a great read and a brave lonely voice in Eurabia, yet Charles is right...

I guess this whole episode is unearthing issues that eventually had to and would surface, because global Jihad is forcing some very strange bedfellows and maybe some of us need to get out of that bed or find a new one, but it's quite unsettling and I wish it would just go away. Which it won't.

310 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:07:55pm

re: #300 Yank in the EU

But Fjordman most certainly does defend WN openly. See the passage that I quoted above.

We are concerned over material that is as plain as the eye can see.

Andrew X should pull up fjordman's comments for the last week, because you're right. It's quite laid out what fjordman thinks.

And for those who missed them- these are just a few of his remarks made about LGFers.

311 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:10:28pm

re: #305 Charles

Yes, we are saying clearly that the BNP is beyond the pale. I can't conceive a defense of the other position. Red herrings and arguments about immanent destruction if we don't panic fall short of the mark.

312 ducktrapper  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:11:54pm

Well the way I see it the left has "strange bedfellows" and we should do our best to be as much unlike them, as possible. Sure if it comes to war sometimes one has to ally with one's ideological enemies but why should anyone accept their crazy politics or racial theories and by being silent, allow them to think their ugly solutions are not totally anethema to us. They are and hopefully always will be. We must change them and not allow much in the way of the opposite effect.

313 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:16:32pm

re: #12 Quella

This goes to show you that the "European nationalists" are not real allies in the fight against Islamofascism. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Anybody who is anti-Israel is not our ally.

That said, more and more people have become anti-Israel on account of all the propaganda drivel they've heard.

But instead of ridiculing and condemning them, it's our job to educate them (and everyone else for that matter), and to firmly refute whatever anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda arguments they have absorbed.

314 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:17:05pm

re: #311 Yank in the EU
Er, imminent ;)

315 Babydoc97  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:17:25pm

Re: #99 Buzzsawmonkey

I dunno...considering that Western culture is responsible for the first efforts to abolish slavery in the world, the flowering intellectual development of the Rennaisance, and the birth of the United States...I wouldn't hesitate to consider Western culture more "pure" than any other thus known.

316 Husky40  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:17:51pm

# 297 WriterMom >

The point is if the blog owner associates or disassociates with ideas


Yeah, that would be the point, but you're not really interested in that, are you? You've all taken for granted that somehow everybody at Brussels Journal, Gates of Vienna and all the readers of Fjordman (including himself) is a white supremacist or nazi.

Hunting for loony comments is childish and tells you absolutely nothing. I'm suprised you don't realize that.

317 TalkinKamel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:18:07pm

#251 Prometha

LOL! Can one be a "race traitor" if one eats outside the nation's prescribed traditional dietary range?

318 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:18:46pm

re: #275 konservo

re: #259 Yank in the EU
From the bj:


The Jewish genocide is mainly used by the extreme left and the media as a weapon to hurt Europe and attack European genes through the means of mass immigration.

Although this is a comment from the Bj, and therefore does not necessarily represent the views of the authors of the blog, it still show the kind of crowd that they attract. Where have I heard this argument before... ? Oh, right! This is almost exactly what Ahmadinejad says about the Holocaust and the "Evil Zionist Conspiracy" to turn it and 9/11 into "false idols."

Has anybody posted a comment to the effect that this person is out of line? Not here, but over on BJ where the trash-talker will read it?

319 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:19:21pm

re: #132 Ward Cleaver

I've never gotten a Zionist check. Am I missing something?

And I'm not a neocon. I've been a conservative since I was 12, and supported Nixon's reelection.

Me too. I've been a conservative since I could think, which if I remember correctly was around the age of 4. I had a brief few years of delirium (liberalism) during college but as soon as I sobered up, I got over it.

One thing that has never wavered is my love for Israel and her people. That was taught to me at an early age, and like most truths, found a permanent place within my heart and within my mind.

And I not only supported Nixon's re--election, I carried posters for his first one.

I am a right wing pro-life conservative Bible thumping gun toting Jew loving Christian. And proud of it.

So stick that in your patronizing pipe and smoke it.

320 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:21:30pm

Y in EU -

This is an astonishingly passionate dispute that to me really blew up like that hurricane that went from cat 1 to 5 in 24 hours. I read your link and see your point. I guess what does not disturb me about it is that our own academic and in some sense political culture has been celebrating racial politics for decades. (I just finished reading "Until Proven Innocent", about the Durham race case, in less than a day, so compelling it is, so that's where my head is :-)

Yes, just because "they" do it does not make it right, but one does consider that, for indigenous Europeans to ask, if "they" are doing it, but "we" are not, and are almost violently precluded from doing so in even the most humble of ways, then just who is "looking out for us", and what is to keep "us" from being utterly rolled over?

I have said for the longest time in these issues, it is not immigrants or "others" who is to blame here. It is the people in Europe, whose US counterparts are represented in the Durham book by... the New York Times, the Duke faculty, the Nancy Grace's, who categorically choose the non-white BECAUSE they are non-white. I use the seemingly unrelated Duke case because it IS totally of a mind with the real problem here, some insufferable elites who are willing to trash hundreds of years of culture, law, and tradition... and truth itself, in this leftoid quest to "be tolerant", and who THEMSELVES place the simple question of "what race are you" first and foremost. It is genuinely infuriating and appalling, and is destined to create a backlash, and in Fjordman et al, you may be seeing a cracking of that ice.

This is NOT a good thing. But if we turn our guns too vociferously upon the symptom, the cause continues unabated.

It is a delicate balance, but I repeat... here and in Europe, the fault is not with either the immigrant or the indigenous with a mind toward "indigenous rights" (the latter an unquestioned virtue over most of the globe). THe fault is with the cultural and political elites whose misguided neo-Marxist madness has set the two sides into almost inevitable conflict.

321 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:22:04pm
322 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:22:44pm

re: #318 1389
Let's see...

One person said something against it and another defended it. Not exactly a thumping of the extremely antisemitic views, no?

323 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:23:08pm

re: #309 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

I completely understand. It's very upsetting. But this is reality..whether on line, or in person-we all have to continually evaluate and re-evaluate our positions, read more and learn more. We can't wish any of it away.

324 Kulhwch  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:23:24pm

Checking out the masthead ...

The Brussels Journal defending freedom of speech in europe

Will have to keep the above in mind ...

#93 Charles 10/31/07 11:23:12 pm

The more I look into what Brussels Journal really stands for, the more repugnant it seems.

    Understood.  Nice to see the display of your right to freedom of speech ... but checking back at the BJ [which is an abbreviation for something else where I come from]:

I have announced my intention to take a break from commenting at LGF, where I have been active for several years, since it has become abundantly clear that neither Charles nor many of his readers have any interest whatsoever in having an actual debate, and certainly not about the real threats to freedom in Europe.
However, I’d like to continue the debate about “racism,” which now frequently means something along the lines of “I’m a Multiculturalist. I’ve just lost the debate because I have poor arguments in favor of my case. I want to shut you up, therefore you are a racist.”
*

    Interesting.  So Fjordman is claiming that without even debating, we've lost the debate?  What debate?  Isn't that usually the claim of someone about twelve years of age?  What kind of cheese would he like with that?

The Brussels Journal -- defending freedom of speech in europe -- but fuck the freedom of speech in the US.

There, fixed it for them.

}:)     [* Somebody call the Wahhhmbulance ... ]

325 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:25:14pm

re: #281 rogue yam

Well of course that is all you see. That is all you WANT to see.
We are all sanctimonious because we do not want to associate with white supremacists.

Guess what. I am a white, Irish, Catholic. I have no desire to associate with white supremacists.
If that makes me sanctimonious to you? Guess what? I don't give a damn.
Why the head long race to get in bed with white supremacists when the question is supposedly immigration?

That is one of the dumbest tactics I could ever imagine.
In fact, if I was an Islamist, it is EXACTLY what I would want those opposing me to do.
It helps both the left AND the Islamists.

How about you guys come up with ONE argument and stick with it?
What is it?
They are not a racist org?
Or they are a racist org but its the only shot Europe has?

326 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:25:53pm

I note that every single SD defender I see right now is using the same tactic: Trying to discredit Expo as a source. None of them are trying to refute the things that Expo are saying.

Which, of course, they can't, since the piece I translated is an overview the partys history, not an analysis of the present-day party. And every single piece of history that Expo presents can easily be fact-checked for accuracy.

So... I've seen smears of the organisations founders, accusations of state sponsoring and pushing someone elses agenda, accusations of being liars in general, accusations of being hyperbolic in general, accusations of having ties to violent leftist organisations... But not a single refutation of the party history that Expo is describing.

Could this possibly be because the historical overview is accurate?

It's not like the SD's past isn't well-known here in Sweden. It is very well known. No one in Sweden would try to argue that the party, for the first decade of their two-decade existence, wasn't a part of the Swedish neo-nazi movement. Everyone knows they were.

What they are nowadays is harder to identify, but it is without doubt a white nationalist party. People are either fools, or lying, if they say that the SD are just anti-islam and otherwise have an open attitude toward foreigners. They don't.

Also, it is a matter of context. When judging who they are, one should never forget who they were. That information will never cease to be important.

327 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:26:22pm

re: #320 Andrew X

THe fault is with the cultural and political elites whose misguided neo-Marxist madness has set the two sides into almost inevitable conflict.

Agreed.

And if we are not careful, this same thing will happen in America.

328 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:26:48pm

re: #316 Husky40

Actually, I haven't made a single comment about either web site, or fjordman. And, I'm not 'hunting' for loony comments. I'm very concerned about the idea of "white nationalism" and I think that is a reasonable concern. Get it? "White" nationalism. That stinks. I'm all for "Western" civilization and "Judeo-Christian" civilization, but I'm concerned as a (white) Jew, where I fit into the "white nationalist" plan.

Do you think that is a reasonable concern?

329 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:29:06pm

The BJ and Fjordman and all the rest are FREE to associate with any one they want. Including white supremacists.

We are also FREE not to associate with them.

The bullying to force us to associate with those we do not want to is getting pathetic.

330 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:31:12pm

re: #309 find your violent jihadi on ebay!

I'm finding the entire topic to be very distressing and confusing. As a regular reader and occasional poster not only on LGF but also Atlas, Brussels Journal, etc., I'm just confused. Ultimately any association with the Nazi's/fascists/antisemites is going to backfire and destroy the anti-Jihad movement. Yet, there are few people in Europe standing up to the Eurabian menace, and some of those people are evil while some others are just unsavory and some may be getting maligned here and elsewhere undesevedly, while some of them more than deserve it. Charles is right ... but Atlas has good points, and Brussels Journal is a great read and a brave lonely voice in Eurabia, yet Charles is right...

I guess this whole episode is unearthing issues that eventually had to and would surface, because global Jihad is forcing some very strange bedfellows and maybe some of us need to get out of that bed or find a new one, but it's quite unsettling and I wish it would just go away. Which it won't.

Here's my suggestion:

It seems to me that there are some bad elements in these groups, but a lot of good people in them too. That's our main quandary here.

What we need to do is to put pressure on all of these groups to clean up their act. We want to counteract whatever pressure they are getting from anti-Semitic and anti-Zionist agitators. We want the groups, and their members, to stay focused on counterterrorism and on protecting Western and Judaeo-Christian liberties and cultural heritage, NOT on race or genetics.

If we keep up enough pressure (and I mean communicating politely but firmly and persistently, and being very specific about what we want them to do), the actual racists will become more and more uncomfortable and will eventually leave (probably in a huff, but that's okay) and the decent people will stay around to work for positive goals.

As for ourselves, we need to keep our main focus on our most important enemies, the jihadists, who are in fact the real heirs of the Nazis.

331 kafir  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:31:57pm

Oy vey! They kvetch and kvetch!

BTW: has anyone else received their zionist check? I am still waiting for mine.

FWIW: I am a zionist, and happily and proudly so, because, with very limited exception, every goddamned country my ancestors have lived in have spawned or encouraged groups to do their best to prevent a continuation of my familial lineage. In short, they wanted us to be not long for this world. By returning to our homeland, we get a chance to control our own damned lives. So if you don't like this, either try again to kill us, or pound sand. Just be warned that we will fight back. We have 2000+ years of various malcontents trying to whack us, be forewarned that we are not going to take any crap.

Also, if you don't frikin like zionism, hey, thats your choice. No one is asking you to. No one is asking you to like jews. Leave us alone, and we will be fine. Step back from the brink.

People who somehow believe that 15-20 million jews somehow, in some highly improbable, imaginary world, control the press, governments, banks, churches, societies, culture, media, and your local parks, have more than a few screws loose. They are not playing with a full deck. Put any other euphemism for insane ranting, here. Such people, who hate for no reason other than what you were born as, what religion you are, or chose to be, or the color of your skin, eyes, hair, or who your father or mother was ... these people are basically morons. They add nothing to intelligent discourse, and subtract individually and as a whole from the mental capacity and forward direction of society. I am all for shining a big bright light on these nitwits. Let them speak in all their glory. Don't let them hide in the dark recesses.

As for neocons ...

One definition of a conservative is a liberal who was mugged.

On 9/10/2001, I was slightly left of center. Liberal.

On 9/11/2001, it was obvious that there was an "us or them" quality to the war declared upon us. My views changed between 8:30am and 11am that day.

We didn't start this battle, but by some deity, you can bet your ass that we are going to finish it.

The left wing of the body politic is infected with a mind rot that allows no disagreement no dissention from their elitist views. They do control discourse, they do control the media, they do control industry, banking, education. And they are solidly on the side of those who are quite happy to whack them. They are not interested in surviving. I wish them well.

I on the other hand have made a conscious choice to survive and thrive despite the assholes all around the world, who mock and insult me from mosques, from pulpits, from where ever they are. The best way to frustrate their plans is to live, and live well, while they seethe and writhe in inchoate rage, at my insolence for daring to thumb my nose at them.

If this makes me a neocon, then dammit, I am a neocon. There is nothing to be apologetic about.

Europe is in trouble due to its coddling and PC political directions. It has a declining birth rate and a huge immigration rate. Its assimilation rate is low, they are not new Swedish citizens, but muslims. They are going to take you over. If this is ok with you, great. Enjoy it.

Demographics are going to subvert you.

Again, like with the 15-20M jews somehow controlling the world, denial of the demographic time bomb you have inserted into your own midriff is not a healthy phenomenon. If you cannot assimilate what you import, you must be willing to be assimilated yourself.

And that means sharia.

Denial is not just a river in Egypt.

332 Yank in the EU  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:33:34pm

re: #320 Andrew X

THe fault is with the cultural and political elites whose misguided neo-Marxist madness has set the two sides into almost inevitable conflict.

That is an undeniable truth. We must trace the circumstances of the current crisis to the spinelessness of the center-right in Europe for not dealing with out of control socialism and immigration; they've been browbeaten by the left / PC and have made like Rip Van Winkle. We must also hold accountable and be intensely wary of those who are free, intelligent and know precisely what Nick Griffin, Dewinter, Haider, Le Pen, etc. have been saying all along and that they seek legitimacy for WN through the anti-jihad front, but yet still conclude that an alliance is our "only alternative." That can't be so.

333 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:34:01pm

re: #320 Andrew X

Y in EU -

This is an astonishingly passionate dispute that to me really blew up like that hurricane that went from cat 1 to 5 in 24 hours. I read your link and see your point. I guess what does not disturb me about it is that our own academic and in some sense political culture has been celebrating racial politics for decades. (I just finished reading "Until Proven Innocent", about the Durham race case, in less than a day, so compelling it is, so that's where my head is :-)

Yes, just because "they" do it does not make it right, but one does consider that, for indigenous Europeans to ask, if "they" are doing it, but "we" are not, and are almost violently precluded from doing so in even the most humble of ways, then just who is "looking out for us", and what is to keep "us" from being utterly rolled over?

I have said for the longest time in these issues, it is not immigrants or "others" who is to blame here. It is the people in Europe, whose US counterparts are represented in the Durham book by... the New York Times, the Duke faculty, the Nancy Grace's, who categorically choose the non-white BECAUSE they are non-white. I use the seemingly unrelated Duke case because it IS totally of a mind with the real problem here, some insufferable elites who are willing to trash hundreds of years of culture, law, and tradition... and truth itself, in this leftoid quest to "be tolerant", and who THEMSELVES place the simple question of "what race are you" first and foremost. It is genuinely infuriating and appalling, and is destined to create a backlash, and in Fjordman et al, you may be seeing a cracking of that ice.

This is NOT a good thing. But if we turn our guns too vociferously upon the symptom, the cause continues unabated.

It is a delicate balance, but I repeat... here and in Europe, the fault is not with either the immigrant or the indigenous with a mind toward "indigenous rights" (the latter an unquestioned virtue over most of the globe). THe fault is with the cultural and political elites whose misguided neo-Marxist madness has set the two sides into almost inevitable conflict.

There's a lot of truth in what you said. We've let the leftists define the terms that we are using for discussion, and the boundaries of what is allowed to be debated.

334 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:35:38pm

re: #294 Andrew X

I am new to this unfortunate skirmish, so forgive me if I am not up to speed, but I certainly have not seen white nationalism in the direct postings of Paul or Fjordman et al, and I have been reading them regularly for well over a year.

Maybe you should review the countless posts and links in the last week.

OR, maybe there are no links or signs at all that these groups are connected to WN.
We just decided to do this because we were bored and there is nothing good on TV this week.

/Hey guys! Since the World Series is over, lets attack Bermuda next week!

335 Husky40  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:38:09pm

# 324 Kulhwch > Errr... this is not exactly freedom of speech we're having here. It's more of a "hey, we're Americans and we hate euro-nazies such as yourself. Want proof that you're a nazi? Here: a flag. Lookie: a WN comment. You're OWNED. Same ol' Europeans. Bet your antisemitic, too". Now isn't THAT childish?

#328 WriterMom> I was talking about the Lizards and Charles, okay? Not you in particular, WriterMom. Concerned you may be of White Nationalism - it is pretty clear -, but that doesn't mean that a few comments written by a few men are anything more than a few comments written by a few men. In other words: totally irellevant.

# 329 hous bin pharteen > I'll tell you what's pathetic. "Hey, fjordman, you're a WN sympathiser! And you know why? Because you said Europe was white". PC blasphemy. That's truly pathetic.

336 vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:38:32pm

re: #99 buzzsawmonkey

I like what you posted. It interests me that you say there is so little room between the Scylla and Charybdis. But as we see on the map, there is room. It is a narrow passage, but it can be navigated. The White Power people do not see this, so I think they are either stupid or manipulative. Your description of their motives is very probable:

they do so in order to a) work for a West which is more "culturally pure"

Yes, but they do not see that the West does not need to be culturally pure to be Western. In fact, precisely it is Western because it is not culturally pure. The West is the most productive and creative place because it takes and mixes everything into a better form.

b) bash Israel as the original cause/catalyst for the jihad and gain cover for their antisemitism

This is so stupid. Jews are successful, productive people who want success and culture for their children, just like every other normal family. If you want good things to happen in your city, invite good Jewish people to live there! But be prepared to compete! You see, I think these White Power groups are just afraid they cannot compete with the Jews.

they c) try and use their opposition to the jihadis as leverage to assume power

This might have the result they intend, which is why it is very important to make discussion.

337 JHW  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:39:35pm

This whole "neo-con" thing has disturbed me for quite some time, I don`t remember seeing it used by Europeans to any great extent before Bush was elected, and now just read the comments section in the UK papers for example and other European media too, it`s ubiquitous. I`m getting to where I see it as used as a code word by some people that don`t want to use an overt racial slur, the term now raises my antennae when I see it being used, I don`t think it`s being used in the sense of conservative Republicans. As far as some of these people claiming they are not anti-Israel or antisemetic ,buzzsawmonkey made a very good comment on another thread;

One can support Israel as a Jewish state on a "Juden Raus" (Jews Out!) basis and still be wholly consistent with a very ugly ideology of "ethnic purity."

Before Wannsee there was an effort by Eichmann and other Nazis to explore the possibility of resettling Europe`s Jews in Madagascar, raus indeed.

338 vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:39:53pm

I apologize for so much boldface.

339 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:41:01pm

re: #335 Husky40

The case presented is a bit more than "a few comments on a messageboard" though.

And also, it's not really that he said that Europe is white, but more that he thought that Europe should be white.

340 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:41:03pm
341 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:41:05pm

re: #330 1389

If we keep up enough pressure (and I mean communicating politely but firmly and persistently, and being very specific about what we want them to do), the actual racists will become more and more uncomfortable and will eventually leave (probably in a huff, but that's okay) and the decent people will stay around to work for positive goals.

Uh ... good luck with that.

I've been posting a large amount of evidence, have refrained from personal attacks, and have stated over and over that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference, but don't think it wise to associate with certain groups.

In return, I've been vilified, attacked, lied about, and had my words and positions distorted beyond all recognition. And this started immediately after my very first post on the matter.

342 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:41:43pm

re: #237 Charles

Another thread at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe - The Brussels Journal.


Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organizations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

"WN" is their abbreviation for "White Nationalism."

The in the article mentioned "Henryk M. Broder" would spit in his face if he would know for what an agenda he is used. Or better, he would write about him as "schmock of the week".

The tactic by these people to use honorable people to undermine their position is disgusting.

343 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:42:15pm

re: #335 Husky40

Yesterday the Brussels Journal had a front page post openly praising the British National Party. Not a comment. A front page post.

Are you a BNP supporter?

344 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:43:41pm

re: #331 kafir

You've hit the nail on the head 100%

345 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:44:28pm

On Schrödinger's Cat and Joshu's Dog - The Brussels Journal

It is the great luck of Europe's priestly caste that parties like the Vlaams Belang, SVP and BNP exist, for they too see and speak the truth, and provide an alternative that the common folks can join instead of supporting fringe movements that may expound the truth in some ways but spout lunacy (e.g. "the Jews did it") in others.

346 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:45:56pm

re: #299 rogue yam

Who the hell are you?

We are not going to discuss ideas? Where you been for the last year?
What do you think we do around here?
You joined 1/07 and have 13 posts and half of those today are insulting us: " snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread"
"bunch of mindless sanctimony, juvenile sneering, and demogogic name-calling"

Who really has been doing the name calling around here?

347 Former SSG  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:47:22pm

Well, I've been a lurker for a while, and I just read through all the stuff here and on those other two weblogs and have 3 things to say.

Thank you, Charles.

If calling me Zionist is supposed to hurt or offend me, you don't know me.

I will never align myself with racists, even if I lose the greater fight.

348 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:48:09pm

re: #335 Husky40


We should just shut up and jump on the bandwagon I guess.
Or else, what?

349 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:48:18pm

re: #344 1389

re: #331 kafir

You've hit the nail on the head 100%

Good post, kafir. So, if you're Jewish along with being a new fangled neo con, then that makes one Jewish person I've heard of who doesn't have their feet set in concrete on the left. Whew. Glad to hear it. Maybe there are more who just won't say so. Ann Coulter... a bump in that road. Very skittish movement.

350 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:48:37pm

Hmm... Looking at my posts on some earlier threads, I seem to have been getting quite a few negative dings on them these last two days or so. Have I started getting haters already?

351 lurking faith  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:49:28pm

I'm very disappointed. I have found Fjordman's news to be a valuable resource for quite some time, so I am displeased to discover that he is willing to mischaracterize Charles's statements and arguments. And so obviously, too. Does he think we can't or won't read the full text?

Still, I do think some of this trouble is grounded in a severe cultural misunderstanding. Europeans and Americans have a tendency to think we have the same culture, which is just not the case, so that we are not arguing from the same set of assumptions at all - and that is in many ways more difficult to deal with than when two completely unrelated cultures run into each other. We think we understand each other, but we don't.

Certainly we sprang from the same roots, and have many similarities, but unlike Europe, America is at heart an Idea embraced by its people. We believe in the individual; they believe in the group. And as we are an immigrant nation, heritage means something very different to us than it does to the European nations. Our culture is not primarily ethnic; in spite of all our divisions, there are very few Americans who would claim you have to be a certain race to be a real American.

The decades-long attempt in Europe to wipe out nationalism and replace that group identity with a totally non-judgmental openness has left Europeans with no identity to be openly proud of except cultural self-effacement. The Europeans I know have generally considered it shameful to express patriotism. But if you don't love your country and your culture, why bother preserving them?

I suspect that many Europeans simply do not understand that it is entirely possible to de-link patriotism and race. Their nations grew from ethnic and tribal enclaves; and so it seems to me that deep down they are conditioned to believe that love of country is the same as love of one's ethnic tribe.

But I am an American, and my tribe is an Idea. If you believe in the same Idea, I don't care where your great-great-grandparents lived; we are of the same tribe and I will not stand with anyone who says some of us do not belong.

352 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:49:29pm

re: #338 vittorio

I apologize for so much boldface.

Sometimes one's face needs boldness.

353 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:50:08pm
354 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:51:19pm

re: #353 buzzsawmonkey

re: #349 Sunlight

that makes one Jewish person I've heard of who doesn't have their feet set in concrete on the left
There are quite a few Jews on this site who do not "have their feet set in concrete on the left," among whom I am pleased to include myself.

Cool.

355 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:51:27pm

re: #350 Truumax

Hmm... Looking at my posts on some earlier threads, I seem to have been getting quite a few negative dings on them these last two days or so. Have I started getting haters already?

Click the number and you can see who's been rating your comments.

356 Don Miguel  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:51:39pm

#215 Charles

OK. So why do they tolerate him at Brussels Journal?

Well, you've got me on that one. I rarely go to the BJ anymore because of that and when I do, I never read the comments.

As to why Fjordman attracted the unsavory types at his old blog, all I can say is that he has been writing about the Islamization of Europe for years and they hate Muslims. As I said, he expressed to me that he was uncomfortable with those kinds of people and I suspect that is why he quit doing his blog.

As to your take on these types, I'm with you. I lived in the south during segregation and saw the KKK first hand and a number of years living in Europe (pre-Islamic) exposed me to the anti-Semitism and neo-Nazi types there. A pox on all of them.

357 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:52:09pm

re: #349 Sunlight

There are many non-leftist Jews among the lizards. Myself included.

358 Vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:52:51pm

re: #340 buzzsawmonkey

Thank you. I also have to say that I sympathize with indigenous European people who are becoming minorities in their own countries. I think that in the right circumstances, they should concede that this is something they have brought upon themselves, and they should make room to share power. This is the reasonable thing to do.

But it is not reasonable to expect them to share power with people who want their entire way of life to be subjugated to the immigrant way of life. That is to say, the indigenous Europeans are right to resist the Islamic theocracy. The two ways to live are totally different.

So it is only a little bit complicated, not so much.

I would ask some Americans however Why are some Americans so ready to defend American Indian populations against the White Man, but refuse to defend the European populations against the Islamic Man? Is it because they are genetically European?

359 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:53:05pm

re: #341 Charles

re: #330 1389

If we keep up enough pressure (and I mean communicating politely but firmly and persistently, and being very specific about what we want them to do), the actual racists will become more and more uncomfortable and will eventually leave (probably in a huff, but that's okay) and the decent people will stay around to work for positive goals.

Uh ... good luck with that.

I've been posting a large amount of evidence, have refrained from personal attacks, and have stated over and over that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference, but don't think it wise to associate with certain groups.

In return, I've been vilified, attacked, lied about, and had my words and positions distorted beyond all recognition. And this started immediately after my very first post on the matter.

It takes more than one person. It takes a long time. Nobody said it was easy.

My husband and I have personally dealt with racists and anti-Semites that we happen to have run across in life. We put a lot of work into setting them straight. It isn't easy. It takes a combination of knowledge, persistence, confidence, and reckless courage, especially face to face! Sometimes it works, sometimes not. We keep at it whether it succeeds or not, simply because it's the right thing to do.

The more people who join in this effort, the likelier it is to succeed. Give them persuasive arguments, offer plenty of documented evidence to back up your arguments, and identify and address, in a more constructive way, their emotional reasons for espousing wrong ideas.

360 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:53:27pm

re: #350 Truumax

Have I started getting haters already?

People who speak the Truth often do.

361 Josephine  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:53:35pm

re: #313 1389

re: #12 Quella

This goes to show you that the "European nationalists" are not real allies in the fight against Islamofascism. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

Anybody who is anti-Israel is not our ally.

That said, more and more people have become anti-Israel on account of all the propaganda drivel they've heard.

But instead of ridiculing and condemning them, it's our job to educate them (and everyone else for that matter), and to firmly refute whatever anti-Semitic and anti-Israel propaganda arguments they have absorbed.

Agreed. That's why I'm on the mailing list for The Israel Project:

[Link: www.theisraelproject.org...]

362 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:54:04pm

re: #341 Charles

Uh ... good luck with that.

I've been posting a large amount of evidence, have refrained from personal attacks, and have stated over and over that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference, but don't think it wise to associate with certain groups.

In return, I've been vilified, attacked, lied about, and had my words and positions distorted beyond all recognition.

Sometimes it is necessary to persist in goodness for a very long time before one sees results. Even then, you may never see them. But at the end of the day you will still be on the side of goodness.

363 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:56:32pm

Zuckerlilly -

I think you are being a little unfair. You are referring specifically to a comment, not a posting by BJ. Surely we can't judge Charles by any "nuke Mecca" types who post.

I went to the link expecting to find an actual posting, and had to go back to your comment to see that you referred to "another thread". But I find it disingenuous to hold any blog "responsible" for a comment on a posting. The 'sphere has gone round and round on that issue a thousand times

Charles is mentioning a direct post about BNP by BJ. That is fair game, definitely. But if you referring to a comment rather than a post, it may very well be relevant and interesting, but I think the blogger is entitled in fairness for you to be clear that it's a comment, not a post.

Just my $.02.

364 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:58:15pm

How come I am green? Am I super-important?

;-)

365 kafir  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 12:59:03pm

re: #349 Sunlight

Oddly enough, while I enjoy watching Ann, I think she is slightly nutty. Yeah, she can believe what she wants, and I took very minor offense at her willingness to "perfect" me. I have had far worse.

She is well meaning, but IMHO, misguided.

She is also hilarious to watch, especially with Alan Colmes.

FWIW: of my family, yeah, more Jews, I am seeing a well pronounced turn to the right. The lefty embracing of people who want to kill us and hate us has finally, after many years, made them sick.

While a large number of jews are still leftish, I am seeing a fairly significant ground swell saying "genug". The republicans would be wise to make use of that.

I personally cannot in good conscious vote for the party that continues to send John Conyers and his fellow travelers to congress. They work against my interests. So I vote against them. The sooner these moonbats are unemployed, the better for the state, and the country. Not to mention my non-hyphenated people.

366 1389  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:02:04pm

re: #347 Former SSG

Well, I've been a lurker for a while, and I just read through all the stuff here and on those other two weblogs and have 3 things to say.

Thank you, Charles.

If calling me Zionist is supposed to hurt or offend me, you don't know me.

I will never align myself with racists, even if I lose the greater fight.

You won't have to lose the greater fight.

Joshua 24:15 "If it is disagreeable in your sight to serve the LORD, choose for yourselves today whom you will serve: whether the gods which your fathers served which were beyond the River, or the gods of the Amorites in whose land you are living; but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD."

Joshua prevailed.

367 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:02:27pm

re: #364 Andrew X

How come I am green? Am I super-important?

;-)

Every one see there own posts in pale green - it's a kind of marker :)

368 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:02:29pm

re: #364 Andrew X

How come I am green? Am I super-important?

;-)

Everyone sees themselves in green.

re: #363 Andrew X

But I find it disingenuous to hold any blog "responsible" for a comment on a posting.

And you're entitled to your opinion, but blogs do get held accountable for their comments. Just ask Charles.

/They can delete them, you know.

369 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:02:36pm

re: #355 Charles

Thanks, didn't know that

370 Vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:04:54pm

Italy Tops World Immigration I would like to find this article in English in another press.

371 Former SSG  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:05:11pm

#366 1389

Thanks for the uplifting thought. If this fight lasts the 50 years I think it will, I won't be here for the end of it! I'll just give it what I've got...

372 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:06:11pm
373 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:06:27pm

re: #363 Andrew X

Zuckerlilly -

I think you are being a little unfair. You are referring specifically to a comment, not a posting by BJ. Surely we can't judge Charles by any "nuke Mecca" types who post.

I went to the link expecting to find an actual posting, and had to go back to your comment to see that you referred to "another thread". But I find it disingenuous to hold any blog "responsible" for a comment on a posting. The 'sphere has gone round and round on that issue a thousand times

Charles is mentioning a direct post about BNP by BJ. That is fair game, definitely. But if you referring to a comment rather than a post, it may very well be relevant and interesting, but I think the blogger is entitled in fairness for you to be clear that it's a comment, not a post.

Just my $.02.

I'm going to differ with you on this, in regard to Brussels Journal. There are a lot of comments at the site that are openly in favor of White Nationalism; the one I posted above is far from the only example. I can tell you with no hesitation that if an LGF comment praised the National Vanguard and David Duke, that comment would not last 10 minutes here. These aren't opinions that need to be expressed and discussed, they're open racism.

At Brussels Journal, on the other hand, there are hundreds of these comments, in thread after thread.

374 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:08:28pm

re: #363 Andrew X


What are you speaking about? I didn't cite anything beside Charles' posting #237. And I was referring to the original post at bj where Henryk M. Broder is abused for the VB agenda.

375 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:09:08pm

re: #358 Vittorio

I think many North Americans are very concerned about an Islamic takeover of Europe (whether it is Europe's own fault or not is a whole other ballgame). The concern that is raised here is: are European nationalists fighting for a "white" Europe, or a "Western" or "Judeo-Christian" Europe?

Is it a movement that is more concerned about 'purity' of 'race'?

376 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:10:55pm

re: #358 Vittorio

I would ask some Americans however Why are some Americans so ready to defend American Indian populations against the White Man, but refuse to defend the European populations against the Islamic Man? Is it because they are genetically European?

Actually, as I've stated over and over, I do support the anti-Islamization conference that started this whole brouhaha. I do not support the participation of Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats in that conference.

377 lurking faith  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:17:18pm

re: #364 Andrew X

You're only green for yourself, as long as you are logged in. That's so you can find your own posts easily.

378 Vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:17:28pm

Charles

That is very clear, and I agree with you. The participation of those groups serves no constructive purpose. They do not represent significant voting majorities, and they permit the pro-Islamic lobby to undermine resistance to them. I do not see what politically is to be gained by having them at the table. If they support anti-Islamic efforts, very well. But I do not see a need to involve them in the political process.

379 Vittorio  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:18:38pm

I do not see a need to involve them in any intellectual process, either.

380 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:19:22pm

Zucker - I think I was farther back in the thread than I realized, so my apologies. I didn't even get the green thing, so I haven't been posting here for some time.

All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same. But I don't think that point needs belabouring, as there is plenty of action here without me going off topic.

381 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:20:16pm

Thanks to all for the green insight. I guess I'm not so important after all...

;-)

382 Husky40  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:20:32pm

399 Truumax >

And also, it's not really that he said that Europe is white, but more that he thought that Europe should be white.


An anti-immigrant stance. As in "we don't want our centuries old- national dentities to change just because somebody has an agenda". Politically incorrect, of course, but not in any way WN. I'm really sorry, but a Chinese will never be French and a Turk will never be a German. It is not racism, it's just the way things have been, are and will always be. Nationality is not politically correct, Truumax.

# 335 Charles > Am not and can't be. I'm a Romanian and I live in Romania. Have no links with Great Britain. Have no links with the USA and Israel, either. I waste my time like this because I really believe that we are fighting the most silent and important "war" ever fought in history. I don't like the BNP, but at this moment i have no motives to put Vlaams Belang and especially the swiss SVP on the black list. I would suggest all of you to try not to jump to conclusions. The media makes the world go round and it has its own agenda, as you all know so well.

The SVP has been the object of an agressive campaign by it's enemies. It happened to others before. Do you know what Euronews had broadcast during the French elections? It showed supporters of Segolene Royale - blacks, arabs and whites - acting civilized. What did Euronews have to say regarding Sarkozy's voters? Well, not much: 2 white males on a motorcycle swearing rasist and anti-arab stuff. Fair? Balanced? I don't think so.

Please, no more cherry-picking. It's not fair, Charles, and it happened with LGF as well. This has got to stop. Maybe they're not banning these people, but that doesn't mean they agree with what they're saying.

# 348 hous bin pharteen > In other circumstances, I'd be amused by this kind of rethoric. However, this time I am not. I wrote you a few words. It can't be that hard to understand, even though my English may not the best on the market.

383 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:25:38pm

re: #382 Husky40

I'm a Romanian and I live in Romania.

Hello. :)

I don't think I have talked to you here before. I just wanted to tell you that my former husband has been to Romania twice, shortly after the fall of Ceucescu (sp). He loved your country and your people very much indeed. He got such a warm welcome there. I have some lovely mementos that he brought me back from his trips. He would very much like to go back some day again.

And I think your English is very good indeed :)

384 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:26:47pm

re: #350 Truumax

Hmm... Looking at my posts on some earlier threads, I seem to have been getting quite a few negative dings on them these last two days or so. Have I started getting haters already?

Umm...making a brave prediction here - Brazilian neo-con, Crawdad and Beerformyhorses by any chance?

385 WriterMom  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:31:09pm

re: #382 Husky40

I'm really sorry, but a Chinese will never be French and a Turk will never be a German. It is not racism, it's just the way things have been, are and will always be. Nationality is not politically correct, Truumax.

Oh boy...

386 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:32:56pm

re: #382 Husky40

What of people of mixed race? What are they then? Nothing?

One of my better friends is iranian, and you would be hard-pressed to find a more "swedish" person than him. One of the nicest, smartest guys you'll ever meet. Speaks perfect swedish. Somewhat of a computer nerd, but generally a really cool guy.

Yet some people view him as a threat to their "cultural identity", and think that he will never really, truly, be swedish. Some even think he should be deported, simply for not being white. These people tend to think that foreigners are to be considered guilty until proven innocent, and natives to be considered innocent until proven guilty. Kind of a double standard.

When I hear white nationalist ranting, I usually think about him. I remember that it's him they're talking about when they say that they want to protect their culture from disintegration. I use it to remind myself of what those words really mean.

387 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:33:12pm

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re: #382 Husky40

I would suggest all of you to try not to jump to conclusions. The media makes the world go round and it has its own agenda, as you all know so well.

Your not getting this.
Charles said he had concerns about those two groups.
Maybe some due diligence needed to be done on those groups.
And what happened? HE got attacked for bringing this up. He was accused of being on the same page as CAIR.
Another words, shut up Charles.
Since then he has been doing more and more research.
And he is getting slammed for it.
Other Lgfers are doing research as well. And getting slammed for it.
This is a search for facts, not "jumping to conclusions"
Fjordman, BJ, etc, have done no research into anything.
There response is, don't rock the boat, your hurting the effort.

Hence my comment to you about shutting up, or what?

What I am amazed at is the response to his concern. THAT makes me very, very, suspicious of some peoples motives.

So what is your stance?
Do you want more facts on this?
Or should Charles and the rest of us just shup up for the good of the cause?

388 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:37:07pm

re: #384 Jimmah

Crawdad would be correct

389 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:38:11pm

re: #382 Husky40

399 Truumax >

I'm really sorry, but a Chinese will never be French and a Turk will never be a German. It is not racism, it's just the way things have been, are and will always be. Nationality is not politically correct, Truumax.

This statement has just taken my breath away. It has never occurred to me that people in the world think this. So this would be a benefit of America - can you imagine someone in the U.S. saying that, "a Chinese will never be American"? It's way over the top. And I lived in Germany in the '70s when the "Gastwerker" program was in full swing (and gangs of Turkish guys were assaulting young women on trains all over Europe). It never occurred to me to think that the Germans might be thinking "a Turk will never be a German". Does anyone else have any feeling on this? Someone from Germany?

390 Highrise  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:38:15pm

re: #350 Truumax

Hmm... Looking at my posts on some earlier threads, I seem to have been getting quite a few negative dings on them these last two days or so. Have I started getting haters already?

You have a number of supporters. I have found your posts very enlightening. I especially liked the one you posted that make no mistake, a nazi would be in your cross hairs as well.

391 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:39:27pm

re: #380 Andrew X

All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same.

Charles did make that distinction:

Here are two of the comments posted over there in response

392 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:40:02pm

re: #386 Truumax

re: #382 Husky40

What of people of mixed race? What are they then? Nothing?

The intermarriage that is going on all over the world is going to break the racists... it's fabulous (and good for the human gene pool).

393 Husky40  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:41:47pm

# 382 > I thank again for your kind words, Mama Winger. :) We have our good guys. I'm glad to hear that your husband enjoyed his stay. His more than welcome to come back, if you ask me. You might consider visiting it some day, too. :)

Truumax, WriterMom > I'm sorry, it may not be fair, but that's the way things are.

Sunlight > Europe is not America. That doesn't mean it's better or worse. It's just different.

# 387 hous bin pharteen > I'm afraid our discussion is over.

Anyway, I wish everyone all the best.

394 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:42:11pm

re: #384 Jimmah

LMAO!

395 lurking faith  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:42:43pm

re: #382 Husky40

399 Truumax >

And also, it's not really that he said that Europe is white, but more that he thought that Europe should be white.

An anti-immigrant stance. As in "we don't want our centuries old- national dentities to change just because somebody has an agenda". Politically incorrect, of course, but not in any way WN. I'm really sorry, but a Chinese will never be French and a Turk will never be a German. It is not racism, it's just the way things have been, are and will always be. Nationality is not politically correct, Truumax.

You clearly believe that nationality is the same thing as ethnicity or race.

To an American, that idea is both offensive and demonstrably false. The USA is a single nation, inclusive of many ethnicities. QED.

Defining countries on racial grounds has been the direct cause of countless wars. You may think America should just stand by and applaud while Europe sets up for the next round of genocide, but we (at least here at LGF) don't plan on it. You can preserve your culture without resorting to ethnic cleansing. Please try.

396 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:44:04pm

re: #382 Husky40

The turd you are presenting us with is race based nationalism, however you try to polish it. It is one of the stupidest and most dangerous ideas in human history. Any fair minded person will reject it - it has nothing to do with left wing propoganda. The anti - Islamism movement has nothing to gain and everything to lose by associating with people who champion it.

397 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:45:08pm

re: #393 Husky40

The thing that touched my husband the most was that when he would visit people in their homes, it was obvious to him that they were the poor and had very little in the wqay of material possessions. Yet they spent obviously much more than they could afford in order to feed him and house him. They were very kind people. Especially the children. :)

398 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:47:15pm

re: #390 Highrise

Cool. I try my best

399 zuckerlilly  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:47:21pm

re: #382 Husky40


It showed supporters of Segolene Royale - blacks, arabs and whites - acting civilized.

So what? What do you imagine? That blacks, whites and Arabs cant live together in a civilized manner?

400 Jimmah  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:47:23pm

re: #394 Sharmuta

Or, Curly Moe and Larry for short ;)

401 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:51:58pm

re: #395 lurking faith

To an American, that idea is both offensive and demonstrably false. The USA is a single nation, inclusive of many ethnicities.

this is in large part due to the fact that we are a nation in which everybody came from somewhere else. (excluding native Americans) We by our very nature are inclusive, because we were all immigrants at one time or another.

In Europe, they are where they've been for eons.

To illustrate: If I ask you to close your eyes and imagine an American, any number of images may come to your mind. Black, white, Hispanic, Asian, etc.

But if I ask you to imagine an Irishman, or a German, or a Pole, chances are that the person in your mind's eye will be Caucasian.

402 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:56:21pm

re: #380 Andrew X

All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same.

I have never quoted a comment from a blog without clearly identifying it as a comment, and I didn't do so in this post either.

403 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:57:06pm

re: #393 Husky40

I am not suprised you would not want to answer that question.

404 lurking faith  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:57:48pm

re: #393 Husky40
While I agree with you that the world is in a struggle for survival against a violent and growing threat, your comments show an unwillingness to consider or search for new solutions, rather than apply old "solutions" that have led to much bloodshed in the past. That's a pity.

In particular, your response to hous bin pharteen (who was reasonably polite and attempted to explain his earlier post, which you asked about) shows that your mind is closed, and you do not wish to see any evidence that racialism and outright racism are very closely linked indeed.

Does (just for example) Germany have the right to control its immigration in whatever way it sees fit? Yes. Do they have the right to expel legal residents who they welcomed (and in some cases invited) into the country, expelling all non-Germans now merely on the basis of ethnicity? No.

I haven't forgotten what happened the last time Germany decided to pursue racial purity.

405 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:58:22pm

re: #398 Truumax

You've been doing great- and many are applauding you, even if they don't say so.

My favorite post of yours over the last few days was about the broken arm Sweden has called socialism. It is a plague- one that needs fixing for Europe to survive. It's not just the islamists- it's the system assisting the islamists. Fix the broken system, and don't turn to hate. I guess that's hard for some to understand.

We've got yet another euro-political thread. Hopefully, we'll see you there.

406 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 1:59:21pm

re: #404 lurking faith

I haven't forgotten what happened the last time Germany decided to pursue racial purity.

Ouch!

407 Truumax  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:01:29pm

re: #405 Sharmuta

jumping as we speak

408 Andrew X  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:03:06pm

Charles, my posting on linkage was to another commenter. I know you've been in the game for long enough, and are of a caliber enough, not to do that.

409 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:03:44pm

re: #402 Charles

re: #380 Andrew X

All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same.
I have never quoted a comment from a blog without clearly identifying it as a comment, and I didn't do so in this post either.

Charles - are all your discussions and discoveries being posted here (and happening with e-mail/IM, I assume)? Or are you posting in comments, etc. on other sites?

410 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:09:19pm

A question to those more familiar with the Social Democrats and VB.

It seems to me these political parties are run by a small cadre of individuals.
Nothing like our parties where officials come and go depending on elections and popularity?
Is this correct?

411 Charles  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:09:45pm

re: #409 Sunlight

re: #402 Charles

re: #380 Andrew X
All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same.
I have never quoted a comment from a blog without clearly identifying it as a comment, and I didn't do so in this post either.
Charles - are all your discussions and discoveries being posted here (and happening with e-mail/IM, I assume)? Or are you posting in comments, etc. on other sites?

I don't post on other sites.

412 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:11:20pm

re: #410 hous bin pharteen

I would ask this again on the latest thread on euro-politics. I'd like to know more too.

413 lurking faith  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:12:34pm

re: #401 mama winger
I do understand that aspect of the problem (in fact I touched on it in my earlier post #351).

But that doesn't make it any less dangerous to encourage racism. (It's nonsense anyway - the pretense that successive waves of conquerors never swept across Europe, leaving foreign genetic material in their wake.)

If, when threatened, Europe can still think of no other solution than to call for the expulsion of all foreigners, then they are doomed to descend into hatred and chaos. Again.

I'm getting depressed. I have lived in Europe, and I love it. I have hoped to find someday that their definition of "we" would become more inclusive.

I have to log out now.

414 hous bin pharteen  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:15:24pm

re: #412 Sharmuta

Damn,
I am a thread behind?

What happened to GW's "No Thread Left Behind" program!

415 mama winger  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:38:12pm

re: #413 lurking faith

But that doesn't make it any less dangerous to encourage racism. (It's nonsense anyway

Absolutely bunk - I agree totally.

416 profitsbeard  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 2:43:38pm

As Zionist Agent Lenny Bruce said:

"I hate small towns, because once you've seen the cannon in the park, there's nothing left to do."

These people are small towns, internally.

With one dinky cannon of a thought.

Failing to understand that this is an ideological, not a biological struggle.

417 gromster  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 3:09:20pm
"LGF has always been Zionist and neocon,"

My understanding of the term "neo conservative" is that it refers to one who was previously a Democrat (or liberal) and who became a conservative.

I've never been a Democrat; I'm just a plain old conservative.

"I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll."

I am neither.

I am very pro-Isreal, but nobody asked me to be. I sure as heck don't get any money out of it!

Also, this guy says "Zionist" like it's a dirty word, LOL.

I can't believe the anti-Zionist whining that goes on.

Israel is this tiny nation that gets picked on by everyone.

But here you have a minority of the world's population in defense of Israel, and the anti-Zionists have the nerve to complain and whine - when they appear to me to be in the majority.

418 Henrythehorse  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 3:18:31pm

re: #112 Charles

Please explain the real argument.

419 Sharmuta  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 3:31:46pm

re: #418 Henrythehorse

Search the last week of comments for "Vlaams Belang". You'll find it there.

420 ducktrapper  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 3:36:40pm

I wonder if it's as hard for WN supporters to say we welcome Jews and immigrants (the only proviso - who are willing to assimilate into a western democratic tradition rather than cry "victim" and attack the host nation) as it is for so called moderate muslims to condemn islamic terrorism against Israel. That would be telling. Fjordman?
Most of Europe's problem with dark skinned immigration is that while allowing them into their countries to work and raise families (to pay taxes to support their cradle to grave welfare systems) they were rarely allowed to become or to ever be seen as truly French, German, Belgian, Dutch etc . Unless, of course, they were a great soccer player or something else like that. The chickens are coming home to roost and now it seems many white Europeans are not liking what they see. Their solutions, though, are the same old guff that fuels the problem in the first place. I hear many are voting with their feet, as they say. They know what's coming. Old European nightmares.

421 Sunlight  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 3:48:39pm

re: #411 Charles

re: #409 Sunlight

re: #402 Charles
re: #380 Andrew X
All I am saying is that it would seem etiquette would demand that links be very clear about whether they are to a bloggers post, or a comment to same.
I have never quoted a comment from a blog without clearly identifying it as a comment, and I didn't do so in this post either.
Charles - are all your discussions and discoveries being posted here (and happening with e-mail/IM, I assume)? Or are you posting in comments, etc. on other sites?
I don't post on other sites.

So the concept of "attack" or trying to bring down anything would be nonsensical since everyone has to click over here to see what's going on. Kind of like cable TV - if they don't like what they see, then they don't have to watch.

422 mjazzguitar  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 4:08:37pm

My sister-in-law's mother had an antique shop in Alaska, where she was murdered. The obituary said she was an "outlander". So I guess if you come from somewhere else you can never truly become an Alaskan.

423 ElChimpy  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 5:21:33pm

Hey Charles can I get a cut of that fat, delicious Zionist payroll I keep hearing about?

424 edomswim  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 5:26:42pm

Hey Charles, there must have been some kind of payroll glitch. I haven't received my check in like...ever.

425 Kulhwch  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 5:40:11pm

re: #335 Husky40

# 324 Kulhwch > Errr... this is not exactly freedom of speech we're having here.

No, it exactly IS freedom of speech we're engaged in here.  I get to say what I want.  That's my freedom of speech.  You get to say what you want.  That's your freedom of speech.  You seem articulate enough not to need a Big Golden Book on the subject ...

It's more of a "hey, we're Americans and we hate euro-nazies such as yourself.

Is that how you really feel?  How sad for you.  I'm an American and I love Europeans.  Sorry that you hate them, though.

Want proof that you're a nazi? Here: a flag.

How does a flag make me a Nazi?  And not to put too fine a point on it, I'm more of a secular humanist.  We don't have as striking a uniform, but then we don't have to walk around with our asses pinched shut all the time.  Your mileage may vary.

Lookie: a WN comment. You're OWNED.

Where did I make a WN comment?  And I haven't been owned since I got divorced, thank you.

Same ol' Europeans. Bet your antisemitic, too".

Are they Nazis too?  Golly.

Now isn't THAT childish?

Get yourself some therapy son, I'm sure it'll turn out okay.

}:)     [Don't forget your meds now ... ]

426 marjoriemoon  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 6:14:37pm

I see a lot of joking about with the Zionist checks and all, and I know you're kidding, but it offends me. My grandfather fought for Zionism all of his life and nearly died because of it. I owe both my spiritual and physical life to my grandfather and his family, my family, and the Zionist ideals that he defended until his death at age 97.

So not to offend those of you who know, but moreso to those who may be confused. It's completely disingenuous for anyone to equate Zionism with racism. The Zionist movement is the desire for all Jews to return to Israel and for Jewish sovereignty of their country. Period. End of story. Ploome said the same way up there. Zionism has never been based on any type of exclusivity to oppress others. This is a lie and propaganda spread by anti-Semites. Arab citizens living in Israel abide by the same rules as Jewish citizens.

Zionism is not Racism

427 someguy  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 6:28:30pm

“It sounds like they are trying to argue that Europe must unite under Christianity, for that is the only way to prevent the Islamic take-over..."

And that would be so bad?

The problem is that Europe is so overrun with blood and soil secularism--and self-hating PC secularism--that such a solution seems beyond hope at this point.

Maybe I'm wrong. I hope so. When I was still living in Italy, I used to watch Benedict's Angelus every Sunday. He's trying really hard to rally Europeans behind their common spiritual heritage. Your recent posts here, Charles, make me think that either he's not trying hard enough or that the patient is too far gone for any cure to take effect.

The United States of America is the only nation (so far) in human history that was not founded on race, but on the ideal of human liberty. It seems that Lincoln was right: We are the last, best hope. But I would rather go down with my country supporting Israel than damn my soul to hell with that nest of vipers.

428 Dublin(CA)Dude  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 6:33:47pm

Damn, I could use some extra cash, how do I get onto the Israeli payroll?

429 silversmith[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 6:54:47pm
430 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 7:23:13pm
431 crawdad  Thu, Nov 1, 2007 7:44:45pm

re: #388 Truumax

re: #384 Jimmah

Crawdad would be correct


Truumax:
Just because I click "-" on your comment doesn't mean I hate you, it simply means I disagreed with your comment.
If I seem to consistently "-" your comments, it just means I consistently disagree with you.
No hatred about it.
In fact, I'm pretty sure I've "+"'d a few of your comments in the last few days as well (though not many).
And as nifty as the AJAX "see who rated me how" feature is, I think it has led to unnecessary bad blood, clique-formation, and snooperism.
I think a neater AJAX feature would be to hide the name of the poster till AFTER the comment is rated, and NO "who rated me how."
I think the current setup is causing FAR too much emphasis to be placed on WHO says something, rather than WHAT is said.

432 Husky40  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:35:03am

# 403 hous bin pharteen > In my opinon, Charles made a mistake by labeling Fjordman and those who agree with him as White Supremacists. Others are making the same mistake. Being called a racist was not a compliment, last I heard, so I'm not really certain why you're so surprised of the reactions. And I frankly don't care anymore what you think. I've said what i had to say. If you agree with me - fine, if not - no problem whatsoever.

# 395 lurking faith >

You clearly believe that nationality is the same thing as ethnicity or race.

To an American, that idea is both offensive and demonstrably false. The USA is a single nation, inclusive of many ethnicities. QED


Demonstrably false? You don't say? Come to Europe and you'll see just how true it is. Racism? No, just not wishful thinking. Stop comparing the United States with european countries, stop comparing the American nation with European nations. They cannot be compared and it should be obvious to anyone.

Keep day-dreaming about European genocides.

# 396 Jimmah >

The turd you are presenting us with is race based nationalism, however you try to polish it. It is one of the stupidest and most dangerous ideas in human history. Any fair minded person will reject it - it has nothing to do with left wing propoganda. The anti - Islamism movement has nothing to gain and everything to lose by associating with people who champion it


Call it whatever you like, you're labeling me indirectly as racist so I really don't care that much. European nations have not been born yesterday, my friend, and have a long history. Sometimes cruel and barbaric, but they have not been formed yesterday. It's pretty generous of you to believe that a Chinese will become some day a Frenchman. Feel free to believe so - others have done this before - but it's just wishful thinking.

399 zuckerlily>

So what? What do you imagine? That blacks, whites and Arabs cant live together in a civilized manner?


Huh? I'm pretty certain I was pretty clear as to what as I trying to explain. No matter, I wil draw the conclusion for you: it's very easy to paint someone in black, just as EURONEWS had done with Sarkozy's supporters, for crying out loud...

# 425 Kulhwch

Want proof that you're a nazi? Here: a flag.

How does a flag make me a Nazi? And not to put too fine a point on it, I'm more of a secular humanist. We don't have as striking a uniform, but then we don't have to walk around with our asses pinched shut all the time. Your mileage may vary.

Lookie: a WN comment. You're OWNED.

Where did I make a WN comment? And I haven't been owned since I got divorced, thank you.

Same ol' Europeans. Bet your antisemitic, too".

Are they Nazis too? Golly.

Now isn't THAT childish?

Get yourself some therapy son, I'm sure it'll turn out okay.

}:) [Don't forget your meds now ... ]


Have you ever heard of irony? Read my message again, friend. I'm sure you'll understand it.

433 Husky40  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:46:21am

Lurking faith >

Does (just for example) Germany have the right to control its immigration in whatever way it sees fit? Yes. Do they have the right to expel legal residents who they welcomed (and in some cases invited) into the country, expelling all non-Germans now merely on the basis of ethnicity? No.

I haven't forgotten what happened the last time Germany decided to pursue racial purity


Nobody has forgotten and of course it cannot expell all non-Germans. That would be barbaric and inhuman, but that doesn't mean it has to accept others more. However, I see no problem in expelling those who constitute a threat to rest of the population. If they don't even try to be at least part of society, I can't find any reason why they should stay. We've all seen how things are in France, Belgium, Sweden, Britain and the Netherlands. Can you?

434 Mal' Rider  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 6:55:15am

Anytime someone throws up the word "Zionist" in a political discussion with me I do my best to wave them off and walk away. It doesn't make any sense at all to try and reason with anyone who is opposed to a free nation existing within a region of a world that represents repression and totalitarianism.

Sometimes I really question the intellectual honesty of those who are beating the "Liberty" drum the loudest these days. I ain't pointing any fingers (at the Paulians), just sayin'.

435 gymnast  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 10:45:56am

test

436 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 1:48:25pm

re: #433 Husky40


If they don't even try to be at least part of society, I can't find any reason why they should stay.

Herein lays the rub. Who decides what that is and what criteria do they use?

With illegals here in the usa, I realize that *rounding them up* is not practical going house to house but enforcement of our laws as we come across illegals in businesses or when they commit crimes and fixing our border situation is more practical. That atleast isn't subjective, it's pretty black and white...are you here legally or not?

Laws are what is key. Just like gun laws, if they would just enforce the current gun laws and sentence appropriately those crimes, it would be way more effective than making MORE laws which politicians like to look good in front of the dem voters. Same goes for not being allowed to cover the face..no burka's in public or masks. A number of cities have this rule and need to apply it to muslims as well. It's for the good of the populace's safety.

437 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 1:53:44pm

re: #436 Highrise

re: #433 Husky40


If they don't even try to be at least part of society, I can't find any reason why they should stay.


Anotherwords, it needs to be defined in a law so that people coming into the country know what that *try to be atleast part of the society* means. I would hate it if they broke into my home because I wanted to homeschool because it was subjective that I wasn't trying to be part of their society. I read recently of a german household that had that happen. Scary.

Once you have laws, you can enforce the law unemotionally and unbiased.


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