Dammit, where's my Zionist check?

If you are not rabidly zionist you will get shit on that site.

Non-conformist punks!
Waaahhh!

I'm not rabidly Zionist, I just feel the Palestinians don't deserve shit.

Yes yes yes its the Mossad again!
bwhahahha!

LOL, Israel has nothing better to do with the money left over from paying off islamist demands, than to pay for people to blog! LOL

either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll

It's true, and I fall into the former category; I'm a volunteer for the Israeli payroll.

darrinh- blocked user with a grudge. They're so "cute" when they're nursing, aren't they?

I like to have my monthly Zionist checks direct deposited into my account :)

Its just easier that way...

re: #1 strandedSF

I didn't get mine either, wtf?

I'm not rabidly zionist but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

This goes to show you that the "European nationalists" are not real allies in the fight against Islamofascism. With friends like that, who needs enemies?

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

OUCH!

Israeli payroll?

What a joke.

Charming. . .

/Not.

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

Well, anywhere but Israeli!

If you support Israel's right to exist, are you a de facto "Zionist"?

Don't think so.

I'm anti-Islamist. Anti-terrorist. Anti-PC. Anti-Shariah.

Kinda makes ya wanna run right out and support their cause, doesn't it?

/No.

re: #14 NoSubmission

Israeli payroll?

What a joke.

You ... you mean this check isn't good?

re: #11 strandedSF

Sure Palestinians deserve something. They deserve Syrian citizenship.

Free suicide belts for the first 10 applicants!..ha

May I politely suggest that Amsterdamsky read a little of LGF before making sweeping statements judgements ?
/numb-skullsky

So, neocon does mean Jooo?

re: #21 ctrlL

May I politely suggest that Amsterdamsky read a little of LGF before making sweeping statements judgements ?
/numb-skullsky

Dumbshitsky. (no sarc, either)

"I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist you will get shit on that site."

DAMN,, that reminds me. It's almost my birthday. I have to remember to enroll in my yearly "RABIDLY ZIONIST REFRESHER COURSE" so I can get my certificate renewed!

Ayup, ayup, I'm on the Israeli/Zionist payroll!

Every month I get a big bucket of Monopoly money, and a box of Crackerjacks with a prize inside!

(If I'm good, they'll let me have Park Place!)

So I can be a Zionist and a Neocon at the same time huh? Does that make me JudeoChristiEcono? They tag me with anymore labels and I am going to start sounding that telephone company commercial.
Just for the record I ain't Jewish but at one time I was Episcopalian but they deserted me so now I am a Christian without a church. Anybody got an application form for the Mormons?

re: #22 Golem Akbar

So, neocon does mean Jooo?

ding, ding, ding, We have a winner!

#22 Golem Akbar

Yes, it does.

re: #4 Iron Fist

you must be cashing mine too.

re: #3 Dirk Diggler

I'm not rabidly Zionist, I just feel the Palestinians don't deserve shit.

Yeah, what Dirk said!

If you were an investor putting in your own money, which group would you reasonably believe would provide you with maximum return on your invested capital? Israel or the M.U.G.O.P.K.A.* Palestinians?

Right.

*Made Up Group Of People Known As...

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.

Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."

It always cracks me up when the left calls us "Zionists." Every time I hear that I swell with pride.

/Christian Zionist

All of the terrorist-sponsoring Arab-Palestinians deserve the right to return to Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen & other under-populated Arab toilet bowls. Of course, they're very welcome in Europe, too, a continent hellbent on suicide.

re: #22 Golem Akbar
I musta converted when I wasnt looking.

Truly sad. But then again 50% of the people have an intelligence less than the median, and 25% have an intelligence less than the first quartile. These guys must be in the first decile.

#26 Just_a_Grunt

We're all part of the Zombie Hermaphrodite Lizardoid ZioNaziCrusaderCapitalist Conspiracy! (Say that real fast, three times now!)

I left the Episcopal Church too. I go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church now.

sticks and stones
sticks and stones

Can't they at least come up with some new slurs for the name calling festival.

oh that falls 'round Halloween time right?

The Hater Name Calling Festival...which of course begins at sundown...due to the Joooish fascist influence no doubt.

Muahahaha~!

re: #30 cosmo

do i invest in the stock market or the corleone family?

So a week ago or so it was a pissing contest with FreeRepublic. Now there's one between LGF and Brussels Journal? Who benefits from this?

The comments don't even make sense. Not that I'm particularly surprised. Funny. Over here we are concerned that actual racist bigots are attempting to co-opt Western resistance to the Caliphate. When challenged, the same groups' supporters respond with antisemitism and bigoted conspiracy theories--precisely the tactics used by the Islamists. They need to at the very least get a decent script together because simply assembling a European mob with torches and pitchforks isn't gonna cut it. Neither is a Hitler revival with new Summer stock players. Dangerous Morons™.

re: #25 TalkinKamel

are the crackerjacks kosher?

re: #18 TalkinKamel

We're just not nuanced enough to understand. We should have elected john kerry. At least then we'd have an international test.

/please pass the sarc tag

Well, good news everyone. I FINALLY GOT THE NEW ZIONIST CHEQUE BOOK. Sorry for the delay-and thanks everyone for being patient.

The problem was that most of the Zionist Elders have already gone to Florida and Arizona to NEOCON RABIDLY ZIONIST SNOWBIRD H.Q and so I couldn't get the proper number of signatures.

Then, our printer got food poising when he was testing out the NEW SECRET CABAL DEATH INK...luckly, he only got a whiff of it. Then, someone found out about the SECRET IDF BABE STRIPPER SQUAD and it's all over the damned internet now-so I had to deal with that, too.

Anyway-cheques are IN THE MAIL!

#1 strandedSF 11/01/07 8:28:48 am

' Dammit, where's my Zionist check?'

I'm sorry, I have been busy. I will get right on those checks.

D.D.

re: #26 Just_A_Grunt

So I can be a Zionist and a Neocon at the same time huh? Does that make me JudeoChristiEcono? They tag me with anymore labels and I am going to start sounding that telephone company commercial.
Just for the record I ain't Jewish but at one time I was Episcopalian but they deserted me so now I am a Christian without a church. Anybody got an application form for the Mormons?

I hear that there are great "non-denominational" churches. But I don't know! I am just one big, fire-breathing, zio-con!

#31 Geepers

Ja Wohl! Und if ve Zionists do not adopt ze correct view of "European Nationalistm" ve are nothing but Zionist-pig dog Untermenschen!

(Dropping the fake German accent now.)

I think the problem is that we have made up our minds, and they don't like that. We should simply shut up, do as we're told and not ask embarassing questions.

I remember reading something Mark Steyn wrote a few years back basically saying you push the Europeans far enough and they'll resort to uber-nationalism - that it is probably instinctive when one sees their culture supplanted before their eyes, in their lifetime - and quickly. Neither he nor I subscribe to nationalists going on a violent war-path, but it might almost be expected. Things could get pretty ugly in Europe pretty damn fast.

"How dare you goddamn kike-lovers call us 'bigoted'!"

Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.

Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

re: #16 Quella

{QUELLA} LONG TIME NO SEE!

They're on to us. Shit.

Someone get Putin's puppetmaster, Stinky Cohen, on the phone. We need a little radioactive assassination action among the journos at Brussels Journal.

LGF sucks? Well, that's news to me.

I am proudly, semi-rabidly Zionist. You Nazis can suck it.

re: #22 Golem Akbar

Sho 'nuff!

re: #31 Geepers

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.

Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."

Another ding-ding-ding! What does the common American riff-raff know about such nuanced things?

re: #44 Dammits Dad

#1 strandedSF 11/01/07 8:28:48 am

' Dammit, where's my Zionist check?'

I'm sorry, I have been busy. I will get right on those checks.

D.D.

I WAS promised a toaster oven...

re: #31 Geepers

The Zionist Masters told me I agree with you. ;)

I'm out. The ZOG downsized me out of the operation. I'm no longer in charge of payroll. Looks like you guys are going to have to get real jobs.

I have it on good word that Moscow may be interested in our services. Would y'all be down for some Russian lap dogging adventures? The bad: You have to flack for Putie. The good: Bimmers for everyone.

.

If you are not rabidly zionist you will get sh*t on that site.

And I am the worst of them all !

OINK OINK !

/Zionist Pig

//OT OT OT

This is my FOURTH LGF BIRTHDAY, I posted here Nov. 1st 2003 for the first time. Happy LGF birthday to me !, but, most importantly, THANKS A ZILLION (of Shekels, of course) to Charles !

Europe: The more things change, the more they stay the same.

re: #47 Eric Cartman's Conscience

I remember reading something Mark Steyn wrote a few years back basically saying you push the Europeans far enough and they'll resort to uber-nationalism - that it is probably instinctive when one sees their culture supplanted before their eyes, in their lifetime - and quickly. Neither he nor I subscribe to nationalists going on a violent war-path, but it might almost be expected. Things could get pretty ugly in Europe pretty damn fast.

I read that as well. In fact, Steyn wrote that this is another reason why he was so especially worried about the rise of Islamism.

re: #26 Just_A_Grunt

You don't want to go there either. Just read "No Man Knows My History" [Link: www.amazon.com...]

re: #35 Shr_Nfr

Truly sad. But then again 50% of the people have an intelligence less than the median, and 25% have an intelligence less than the first quartile. These guys must be in the first decile.

More like the sixty-fifth senile.

re: #39 rogue yam

That's not the point. It's not a 'pissing match' between anyone. Stories, and information are out there-people have to read, research, make up their own minds and decide who their friends are.

re: #50 WriterMom

re: #16 Quella

{QUELLA} LONG TIME NO SEE!

WRITERMOM! :):)

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

I left you a great article on the Dead Thread, please read.

...wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths...

...which is in turn wrapped in bacon with a beer batter coating.

re: #46 TalkinKamel

Ja Wohl! Und if ve Zionists do not adopt ze correct view of "European Nationalistm" ve are nothing but Zionist-pig dog Untermenschen!

Zat's true !

Happy Fourth LGF B-day to you Poitiers-Lepanto!

re: #48 Occasional Reader

OH.
My.
Gawd.

ZEES EES DA VERY FUNNY LINE, JA JA!

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

Happy posting anniversary.

I have a proposal. Why don't we just drop this whole thing and watch VB closely closely for awhile? If they truly are racists or neo-nazis, I doubt they'll be able to maintain the cover for long.

If they're not, they'll react reasonably to challenges, and nothing will surface. It should become apparent, as a few weeks or months pass, that they're fairly benign.

In the interim, I remain unconvinced either way. And, one has to admit, if you take VB at their word, they're not neo-nazis. Therefore, if Charles is correct, they're lying. So. We just wait. If they do something contrary to their stated beliefs, we can analyze that for discrepancies.

I've really been shocked by how quickly this has mushroomed ... all over political party or two in a tiny part of Europe. Take a chill pill folks. No sense getting so worked up over stupid arguments on the Internets. All the hot air clogs up the tubes.

re: #39 rogue yam

So a week ago or so it was a pissing contest with FreeRepublic. Now there's one between LGF and Brussels Journal? Who benefits from this?

Everyone who yearns for the truth.

re: #67 WriterMom

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

I left you a great article on the Dead Thread, please read.

HAVE YOU GOT A POST NUMBER, please ?

Oh sweet. That was fast. I just got an offer from the ROG(Reptilian Government Overlords). There is one caveat. You must be cool with they're shape shifting. No German luxury cars either. It's Jaguars or a Rolls.

Remember John Bolton's book Surrender Is Not an Option: Defending America at the United Nations is out on Tuesday.

This 'Jewish conspiracy' attitude is quite common in comments at Brussels Journal, by the way. I haven't seen Belien write anything like this, but he's very tolerant of it appearing in his comments.

So, as long as LGF was "merely" Zionist and neocon it didn'y bother that ex-poster, BUT he hit his limit when Europeans were the target?
Sounds suspiciously like one of those phony C-SPAN callers who all claim that they were "life-long republicans," until...
Rush gets those types of callers, too.
What a crock!
I wonder if they really think anyone believes a word they say after that caveat?

We should all should state the positive. Intelligently, rationally pro-western and pro-reason. If that means supporting the best country in the rabid middle east, so be it. Show LGF an Arab/Muslim country with western ideology and I will show you a flying pig.

Thanks to Charles we are all way ahead of the nationalist evils waiting to pounce into the vacuum of ideas left when our own citizens rejected the enlightenment.

Yeah, that phrase 'neo-con' again - as if having an airplane crash into the countryside, and the Pentagon, and watching a couple buildings collapse on Sept, 11th would not make some 275 million people reappraise their position on who the 'good guys' and the 'bad guys' are in the world.

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist you will get sh*t on that site.

Are you kidding? Israelis are tight with money.

I couldn't get a dime out of 'em, even when I got them the videos on Hillary's lesbian trysts with her assistant and before that, Suha.

Naturally they had an excuse (Hillary's so fugly, you should pay us for looking at that video!). They always do, those tightwads.

Why would I say that about Brussels Journal?

Because they want us to tolerate sexism and homophobia, for starters?

[Link: littlegreenfootballs.com...]

re: #67 WriterMom

re: #59 Poitiers-Lepanto

{P.L} HAPPY LGF ZIONIST PIG BIRTHDAY.

Thank you !
And this is already a blast !
Since we blasted the naziunderpigs.

#61Quella

I think many Europoliticians are exacerbating this nationalist trend when the "native" population feels their greivances are not only going unanswered but are actually rebuked with mockery. Nobody genocides like a Euro.

#39 rogue yam

Who benefits? I dunno, you tell us. I didn't realize this was an issue of benefiting something.

Would we really be benefitting anything if we never questioned "European Nationalism", or took a good, hard look at some would-be "allies"?

#41 Eowyn2

Of course those CrackerJacks are kosher! ZOG wouldn't give me any other kind!

#43 WriterMom

Whooo-hooo! Alrighty! I wants me my ZioNistCrusader Conspiracy big bucks! Kid Kamel needs a new pair of shoes!

It's amazing how lately I keep hearing the term Neocon-speak Neocon-this or that. Its like everyone on the left is playing from the the same play book or something eh?

Now we lizardoids are a bunch of neocon Zionists? LOL I hate to tell these buffoons, I've been a Zionist for a LOT longer than LGF has been around. As far as being a Neocon, well... if means what I think it means to these mindless twits then yes, I AM a Neocon (Jew).

So what?

I find it amazing that time and time again these leftist idiots refuse to argue a topic on its merits and would rather engage in name calling in order to shut ALL discussion down, period.

Neocon, Zionist.. That's it.. End of discussion. Sheesh

Just as long as they don't learn the "Awful secret of LFG".It used to be at the top but "fortunately" hidden now. Wait til they see the Indymedia footstool and leash. Sh-h-h!
/heh...Brussell's sprouts=pitooie.

re: #72 Daybrother

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto

Happy posting anniversary.

Thank you !

OINK ! OINK !

Sharmuta,

The Zionist Masters told me I agree with you. ;)

The Zionist chip embedded in my brain must be malfunctioning. I have yet to receive my opinions from our Zionist masters.

Instead all I hear is "The Girl From Ipanema" on a endless loop.

A Zionist-pig Roast in Poitiers-Lepanto's 4th B-day honor!

The folks at the Brussels Journal need to read her book Infidel before they start yapping and flapping. Ayaan Hirsi Ali speaks out against discrimination of women and gays anywhere period. She is for the separation of church and government. Just think about it BJ. Do you really think she is for government involvement in religion when she grew up in that kind of environment and suffered because of it?

Go back to your studies BJ, and find out the truth. The truth, you will find, is that she is a modern day hero to many people. Her actions have spoken. All you have BJ are a bunch of words.

Zionara, Europe.

re: #90 Dirk Diggler

I get the Golden Grahams theme song...

re: #48 Occasional Reader

"How dare you goddamn kike-lovers call us 'bigoted'!"

Absolutely hilarious.

Good Morning fellow Elders of Zion!

Did everybody get their bonus checks from Charles?

Good then, back to work.

re: #49 xtraBilly

Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.
Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

So this guy's evidence that he is more intelligent than me is to use words contained in the English language that do not come up in common conversation and use them to describe each other in ways that are conflicting?

Your Royal Lizardness,

Can you tell me where to sign up for my zionist check? And could you donate my checks to the Cystic Fibrosis Foundation?

Standing by for further zionist duty instructions...

/sarc off...except the part about sending any checks for me to the CF foundation...

re: #93 chinesearithmetic

Zionara, Europe.

LOL !
That WILL drive the Illinois euro nazis nuts...

re: #96 uncle_monkey

Good Morning fellow Elders of Zion!

Did everybody get their bonus checks from Charles?

Good then, back to work.

Of course we don't work, we just enjoy the money of the monthly check, while building the
WORLD RABBINATE

I resent these remarks, I have had my shots and have no diseases that I am aware of. Now as for the zionist stuff well, I am not Jewish - only have common sense and like most of what I read here. If that makes me zionist I guess we need to redefine the word.

Euroweenies really need to get some new material - the same old tired cliches and dhimmie talking points really get old. I would expect more original material from the "superior" Europeans - wouldn't you?

#48 Occasional Reader

ROFLMAO!

(Love it!)

#47 Eric Cartman's conscience

Yes, I remember reading that Steyn piece too.

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Happy LGF Birthday! Many Zionist OINKY-OINKS of the day!

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

One thing I'll say about fjordman; the guy is devoid of a sense of humor.

Over the years I never heard him make even one attempt at humor. He's got a real rough stick up his ass.

"either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll"
I hereby offer my voluntary services to the Israeli payroll department because I see I'm not the only lizard still waiting for a Zionist check. The boys down in payroll must be really backed up.

re: #90 Dirk Diggler

The Zionist chip embedded in my brain must be malfunctioning. I have yet to receive my opinions from our Zionist masters.

Instead all I hear is "The Girl From Ipanema" on a endless loop.

Nope- that's the Zionist Masters doing that. They are trying to un-focus your prayers and disturb your sleep with female imagery.

re: #75 Poitiers-Lepanto

Here it is...

re: #103 TalkinKamel

#59 Poitiers-Lepanto-Mt. Gisors

Happy LGF Birthday! Many Zionist OINKY-OINKS of the day!

Thank you, My Queen !

/low oink under the heavy armor

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

That post is a duplicate of the screed he posted in our comments yesterday, while completely ignoring the white supremacist links I posted.

#99 buzzsawmonkey

Yes, they do.

I have encountered white-racist Euro types on other blogs, and many of them say this very thing---that Islamic immigration to Europe is all the fault of the Jews (apparently not their own socialist governments) and that nothing can be done about the jihadis unless, and until, the Jews are taken care of, and thrown out of government.

These guys are going to make some swell allies in the WoT, oh yeah. . .

How long do you have to be a commentor on LGF before you receive your first check?

Ooops never mind, it just came...

I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

re: #107 WriterMom

re: #75 Poitiers-Lepanto

Here it is...

Thank you very much. Reasoned and reasonable...a very rare thing today.

When the Nazis came for the communists,
I remained silent;
I was not a communist.

When they locked up the social democrats,
I remained silent;
I was not a social democrat.

When they came for the trade unionists,
I did not speak out;
I was not a trade unionist.

When they came for the Jews,
I remained silent;
I wasn't a Jew.

When they came for me,
there was no one left to speak out.

Martin Niemöller (Martin Miemoller for the font-lacking)

re: #109 Charles

LGFers base their world-view on the existence of a moderate Islam

Nice- now he's lying about us.

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"

Just wondering what there views were on South Africa.

re: #114 Cattt

Oops - Niemoller, not Miemoller.

re: #38 Eowyn2

Depends on how long you want to be around to enjoy your dividendi. ;)

re: #110 TalkinKamel

that Islamic immigration to Europe is all the fault of the Jews (apparently not their own socialist governments) and that nothing can be done about the jihadis unless, and until, the Jews are taken care of, and thrown out of government.

Wow. Is there NOTHING THE ALL POWERFUL JOOOS CANNOT DO? We even are responsible for flooding Europe with Muslims to replace the Jews of Europe..and we benefit exactly HOW from that? Whatever!

Amazing.

My position on this remains-I believe the biggest threat is from Islam, but I decline having European 'nationalists' (nudge, nudge, wink wink) on my side as I fight. That's it.

Let this fight drop, Charles. You should ignore their charges of Zionism, just like they should ignore your charges of racism.

Big fan of the site, but this fight is getting silly.

All evil
meets at least twice daily
at Jew Hate Junction.

re: #116 hous bin pharteen

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"

No- we're "Politically Correct".

re: #112 Charles

I'll post about "La Raza" if you'd like. I could easily segue into "MAPA" and then continue into the the 'MALDeF" finishing with a flourish with their financiers: la Eme. Or is it MS13?

How the hell does anyone think Loretta "Sanchez is my Politically-opportunistic Surname" beat Bob Dornan back in the day--and stays in office to this day? M-A-P-A. (and a few illegal votes, but who's counting?)

/rambling

re: #125 BabbaZee

Babba-perfectly put. The real litmus test of any of our FRIENDS is "what about the Jews" and "what about Israel".

re: #97 Sloatsburgh

re: #49 xtraBilly

Paul Belien's analysis of the EU Inquisition and the racist smears thrown at the Vlaams Belang party should be required reading for all, so called, conservatives, who are really economic capitalists and social marxists. For such conservatives, even as important as George W. Bush or as useful as Charles Johnson, often harbor a tangle of unexamined liberal-egalitarian assumptions wrapped around an inner strongbox of shallow shibboleths that they haven't either the intellect or the civic courage to examine.
Charles, a useful tool of the neo-cons ? Bwaaahaaahaaa

So this guy's evidence that he is more intelligent than me is to use words contained in the English language that do not come up in common conversation and use them to describe each other in ways that are conflicting?

Shh! I'm trying to figure out how many shallow shibboleths can I fit in my strongbox. Got to make some room though 'cause I'm so shallow.

#122 WriterMom

Hey, I hear the Jews wiped out the dinosaurs, and got rid of the Neanderthals, too! (There are rumours that you also seeded the city of L.A. with the Lizard men, who dwell beneath its streets, but some hold that's the fault of the nefarious Baldwin IV, the Leper King, and his army of Chain mail bikini bimbos, who are working with the IDF strippers to lower the general tone of society everywhere. Whatever).

Well, the Jews benefit from that because, um. . . well. . . because, you see, Moslems hate Jews, and. . . uh, wait a minute. . . because, well, er. . . IT'S ALL THE JEWS' FAULT! EVERYTHING'S THE JEWS' FAULT! THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!

(And so it goes).

I've never gotten a Zionist check. Am I missing something?

And I'm not a neocon. I've been a conservative since I was 12, and supported Nixon's reelection.

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"re: #116 hous bin pharteen

If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"If you will not embrace white supremacists, you belong to an "echo chamber"

Exactly. Fjordman has also been defending a racial idea of nationalism openly at LGF. This piece reads like a massive obfuscation.

re: #127 cosmo

re: #112 Charles

I'll post about "La Raza" if you'd like. I could easily segue into "MAPA" and then continue into the the 'MALDeF" finishing with a flourish with their financiers: la Eme. Or is it MS13?

How the hell does anyone think Loretta "Sanchez is my Politically-opportunistic Surname" beat Bob Dornan back in the day--and stays in office to this day? M-A-P-A. (and a few illegal votes, but who's counting?)

/rambling

More like plenty of illegal votes.

re: #124 blogagog

Being "charged" with Zionism is something that Charles wears as a badge of honour. Being "charged" with racism is a reasonable conclusion to make about the European situation when one considers the material presented here, and elsewhere.

I see they've got a new comment up at Brussels Journal that's even blunter:

Interesting they support Zionism but not European nationalism...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-11-01 17:32.

What did you expect? The two are in many respects anti-thetical so long as Zionist reside outside of Israel.

Wow.

Well I just tried to open an account at BJ and it's pending moderator approval.
Hope they do approve it, cause there's, oh, a few things I'd like to say to them.
Wish me luck in getting registered there, lizards!

re: #131 TalkinKamel

THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!

Goldberg, Iceberg THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

Thank you for posting the link to that but I have to say that the more I read F.'s columns the more he convinces me that he is not presenting his positions honestly.
Fascists in Europe speak like him all the time, in public.
Of course they do, because there are very strict laws against re-building the fascist party in many European Countries, so the fascists had to find a way to speak without being "caught".
The obsession with the WHITE Europe is what gives him away.

Why say WHITE Europe instead of Europe ? They could defend the European tradition and civilization, that has nothing to do with a "race".
They say WHITE because they want their friends to understand that they mean fascist.

I have lived too long in Europe to drink this koolaid.

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

It always amazes me when some call others a Zionist, hoping to insult.
I can't imagine anyone in full control of their mental faculties not to be a Zionist.

I demand a pay raise AND a bonus for my service as a Zionist Neo Con living in a war zone! Oh, and I want all my back checks, too, you know, the ones I haven't been receiving . . .

re: #133 Yank in the EU

I love how he bemoans the supposed leftist tactics we "employed" when we cried foul while employing the leftist tactic of obfuscation.

Well, I'm a Zionist but I'm not a neo-con. There's nothing new about my conservativeness.

But am I rabid? Gee, I don't feel rabid. I feel fervent. Does that count?

Aw, C'mon, WriterMom! These guys would make swell alies! Why, they'll protect us from the Jews!

(Uh-huh---they'll protect us from the Jews, even if Islamofacists are waging nuclear against us; "Hey, not worry, America! We European Nationalists just burned down some synagogues, and instituted a few pogroms! We're also gonna send lots of money to Palestinian terrorists, so they can protect you from Israel! Now you're SAFE! Now here's a nice copy of "Protocols of the Elders of Zion" for you to read in your fallout shelters.")

Oh, yeah, these guys are gonna be swell allies, alright. . .

/Heh, heh, heh. . .

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

P.L, I have no problem defending 'Western' or 'Judeo-Christian' society. But 'white' is really a key word. You are absolutely right, honkey.

:P

Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

Emmanuel Winston was right. Even the "good" Europeans never get anything right.

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll. If you are not rabidly zionist...

How dare they call me rabid!

re: #16 Quella

Quella! Where ya been? Good to see you. :-)

#138 WriterMom

And how can you say the world isn't Jewish? Even the sun's name is Sol! Get it? SOL!

re: #124 blogagog

Let this fight drop, Charles. You should ignore their charges of Zionism, just like they should ignore your charges of racism.

Big fan of the site, but this fight is getting silly.

Why don't you go do that on your blog?

First, this is Charles' blog.
Second, read the fricking Neimoller bit I posted. You can't just ig fricking nore people who are calling for "a white Europe" again. For one thing, I don't want Europe to go up in flames again. For another, I don't want the US of A to have to settle their hash again.

re: #128 WriterMom

They have no problem supporting Israel
and it is separate in their minds from hating Jews

The same way the commies claim
Anti Zionism is not anti Antisemitism
they say
Antisemitism is not Anti Zionism
They still hate diaspora Jews.

they figure after they take power they will kindly ask averyone to move bakc to Israel.
Or ELse.

And then Israel will be blown up by the Islam with their support
and they will all live racially homogeneous nationalistic sovereign populist new right lumpenazi lives forever.
I cant stay
I am working on my article on this

BBL

re: #36 TalkinKamel

I left the Episcopal Church too. I go to an Antiochian Orthodox Church now.

Kamel, that's exactly my history. We should talk.

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

BLUE POWER!

re: #115 Sharmuta

re: #109 Charles

LGFers base their world-view on the existence of a moderate Islam

Nice- now he's lying about us.

They are angry because their trick of polluting the antijihadist movement didn't work.

The funders of the nazi groups must be REALLY angry about that.

The maneuvering had been big, evidently.

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

You're right, he's being incredibly dishonest. Even though I have explicitly posted to Fjordman directly on several occasions that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference but have serious misgivings about sme of the particpants, he insists on misrespresenting my opinions and claiming that I'm trying to "destroy" them.

re: #146 friarstale

Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

Physical therapy has improved my one-liners, and the doctors are hopeful.

re: #136 Dead Sea Squirrel

I see they've got a new comment up at Brussels Journal that's even blunter:

Interesting they support Zionism but not European nationalism...
Submitted by Kapitein Andre on Thu, 2007-11-01 17:32.

What did you expect? The two are in many respects anti-thetical so long as Zionist reside outside of Israel.

Wow.

I guess the whole U.N. mandate for Israel is somehow forgotten.
Just how did all those European countries get established, anyway?
How are their borders set?
Not through a U.N. mandate, I'd bet.
So, if the nationalism argument were taken to its logical conclusion, shouldn't Indian tribes be the nations here?
And shouldn't all the "ethnic Europeans" from the USA have to be repatriated back "home?"

#145 WriterMom

I think we should all defend "White" people in defense of Western civilization against Islam! You know, white people, who are the pillars of Western Civ 101, like Adam Gadahn and John Walker/Johnny Taliban, and. . . um, er, wait a minute, uh. . . OH, WHAT THE HECK! IT'S ALL THE JEWS' FAULT!

re: #152 BabbaZee

They want everyone to move to Israel.

Arabia wants Israel to move to Alaska.

It's a "to the moon, Alice" moment, only it's not funny.

LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

Yeeaaahhh. And how many people you got over there? How many times has a bj link crashed a server? Quit yapping at our heels, kid. You're bothering me.

re: #112 Charles

What? Fjordman is no longer a good guy? When did that happen? I've always respected his writings.

#153 Dead Sea Squirrel

Indeed, we should!

:>)

re: #156 Charles Yet he's still on your blogroll. Does he actually still have a blog?

Oh and btw - just got my e-mail from BJ with my account name and a password! (account name is realwest - yeah, I know not terribly orginial, but I'm old and can't remember a bunch of different nic's!) but it's still pending moderator approval.
Shit.

WriterMom

LIZARD POWER!

re: #125 BabbaZee

Babba Zee, if that's Haiku, I think you're missing two syllables in the first line.

re: #164 realwest

Realwest-just remember that when you post on any blog, your IP is known to the owner...NEVER post anywhere where you don't trust the owner 100% because that information can be made public. Same message to other lizards out there.

re: #157 Dead Sea Squirrel

re: #146 friarstale

Just reading their members replies tells you all you need to know, it's full of lame one-liners, LGF is way out of order with it's criticisms of the B.J.

ok, who, besides me, has been posting lame one-liners?

Physical therapy has improved my one-liners, and the doctors are hopeful.

Or do they mean lam-eh, meaning a bunch of jokes about that gold or silver fabric worn to discos?

re: #165 TalkinKamel

SUSHI POWER!

I gotta get some lunch.

re: #162 American Jewess In Jerusalem

re: #112 Charles

What? Fjordman is no longer a good guy? When did that happen? I've always respected his writings.

You must have been away for awhile. Check all of the postings regarding the VB and read through the comments, too much for a brief synopsis...

Wait a minute?!? I didn't see "Zionist Pig Neocon" on the census forms when I filled them out. I think I need to re-submit.

Guys. Let me say this one time, loud and clear:
I'm not writing any checks for you. You are property of ZionElders Inc., and our crafty neocon lawyers managed to sneak some nice stipulations in the contract fine print.
Now get back to infiltrating European society, spreading Zionist propaganda, before I crack my whip.

re: #162 American Jewess In Jerusalem See Charles #156.

#156

Its been said before, but it bears repeating.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreperable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Maybe that's more true in North America than Europe, but its still true in both places.

Arguing to what extent Vlaams Belang is tainted is a bit beside the point; they're linked to neo-Nazis and you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

I'm still trying to work out exactly what a 'Zionist' is. The definition seems to have changed and it's now a catch-all, like 'neo-con' and I think the two terms mean the same thing at this point, but goodness knows anymore.

This issue reminds me of a segment of the book 'Jarhead' (who knows how accurate the book is in this Scott Beauchamp world - but this part is entertaining) where the powers that be force comradery between a former skinhead and a former gang member by pairing them up. The two finally find common ground on their hatred of the Jews.

So these folks seem to think that there's common ground in hate here, and there isn't at all, considering LGF isn't even close to a 'hate site' (even though it's viciously labeled that again and again). In fact, if they weren't threatening their countries, the supremicists would probably have an easier time finding common ground with the Islamofascists.

The case of Aayan Hirsi Ali tells us everything we need to know about the difference between the US and Europe. Hirsi Ali could become a Dutch MP and spend the rest of her life in the Netherlands and yet she would always be looked upon as an African, a Somali, an immigrant...by both the Left and the Right.

Here in the United States, she can become an American citizen and she will be accepted as an American. She will be one of us. Even those who disagree with her will still accept her as American.

In Europe (and most everywhere else) your nationality is your ethnicity, not so in America.

This is one of the reasons why our parents and great grandparents came here in the first place.

re: #167 WriterMom So what does that mean?

re: #154 WriterMom

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

And by the way, I can't stand the Black, Yellow or Blue rhetoric either.

BLUE POWER!

Blue people have made some interesting cultural contributions, after all.

re: #170 Old Tanker

Thanks Old Tanker. I have been away. We just moved and I've been offline for about a week. I'm picking up some clues as I read through the comments on this thread. Sorry to hear about Fjordman, but, we don't allow attacks on Charles, our fearless lizard leader!

Zionist? Damnit, Why didn't anyone Tell me? I want my check!

re: #156 Charles

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

You're right, he's being incredibly dishonest. Even though I have explicitly posted to Fjordman directly on several occasions that I support the goals of the anti-Islamization conference but have serious misgivings about sme of the particpants, he insists on misrespresenting my opinions and claiming that I'm trying to "destroy" them.

I am sorry to show my paranoid colors once more but... the more I think about what has happened the more I have a nightmare scenario in my mind:
let's say that all the antijihadist blogosphere HAD got involved with these unsavory [I'm being kind] types
AND SIX MOTHS AFTER,
as by chance, some "investigative journalist" from the LLL media had revealed , in a world wide scoop, that the antijihadist "ARE A BRANCH OF THE NAZI INTERNATIONAL".

The MSM would have jumped on all of us like vultures, destroying the good work of years and years with a pile of labels.

WHO would have won ?

The jihadists.

A plan like this doesn't allow for any

serious misgivings about some of the participants

it is a ALL OR NOTHING plan.

re: #179 American Jewess In Jerusalem

You missed one heck of a week!

re: #182 Sharmuta

re: #179 American Jewess In Jerusalem

You missed one heck of a week!

I guess so! We didn't have internet connection for a while and I was crawling the walls from LGF withdrawals. I'm too tired from packing/unpacking to go back and read through the old threads.

I'm shocked. Haven't we heard over and over that these are the best friends that Israel could ever wish to have?

/Good riddance.

Dang! I can't find a single shop around here where I can spend all these shekels! Advice needed.

re: #174 looking closely

#156

Its been said before, but it bears repeating.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreperable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Maybe that's more true in North America than Europe, but its still true in both places.

Arguing to what extent Vlaams Belang is tainted is a bit beside the point; they're linked to neo-Nazis and you have to be willfully blind not to see it.

Actually, that's been said over and over and over. The fact that the blogs on the other side of this issue insist on ignoring and obfuscating that simple point speaks volumes about their true beliefs.

re: #130 ploome hineni
Charles is the one on the attack, not the other way around. And it's quite possible that he's in the wrong, leaning so heavily on guilt by association. I'm not saying the organizations AREN'T racist, it's just not clear, at least to me. I didn't hear it in that podcast he linked, and the images Charles used turned out to be some other organization, not the one Charles is calling nazis.

My pointre: #135 WriterMom

I'm just saying that we have a more important issue to worry about (Islamofascism) than to worry about who we are fighting it with. If the party-line becomes 'kill the Jews!' or even 'kill the muslims!' I'd be with Charles on this. But clearly it's not.

Dammit. I knew this site was holding something back from me. Some of you are actually getting paid.

Charles, I filled in my lizard application years ago -- and I'm sure I put a check mark in the Zionist box. Perhaps it was lost in all the hub bub. Could you please have Stinky look into where my Zionist Lizard cheques have gone to?

I think my check is late too, please send an additional one for my time and trouble!

Wait...I can can get on the Israeli payroll?

re: #183 American Jewess In Jerusalem

When you have time, I think you should. This issue isn't going away, and you'll want to have your homework done.

Congrats on the move, and welcome back.

re: #174 looking closely

#156

Any association with Nazis, Neo-nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreparable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

My point exactly.

And being of European origin (although rather brownish- mediterranean but with Viking size- and evidently with many GreatGrand Mothers enjoying a lot of action) I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

If so, I think it's backfired. They have been exposed, and Charles isn't the one with egg on his face.

Just curious. According to fjordman and the nationalist Europeans, are Jews white? If not, does that mean they are free to have another holocaust in order to make Europe safe for "whites"? German Jews made the mistake of thinking they were Germans and Hitler would never come after them.

How stupid should we be in order to just get along this time? Sorry if we're a little leery of you, Europe, having learned a lesson that was writ large just 60+ years ago.

I have a feeling Fjordman's gonna go the way of General Chen before too long, if Charles hasn't got fed up with him yet.

re: #45 Quella

I like "zio-con"! Did you make that up?

re: #193 Sharmuta

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

If so, I think it's backfired. They have been exposed, and Charles isn't the one with egg on his face.

YES ! And Charles has shown once more his colors as a leader, going the difficult way and asking the difficult questions IN REAL TIME.

This guy is gonna be someone , I tell ya.

LOL !

re: #194 jemima

Just curious. According to fjordman and the nationalist Europeans, are Jews white?

Of course not, that's why they use the WHITE thing so often, it's a coded message.

/and since at the back of my head there is the infamous "brown stain" of the mediterranean peoples, neither am I.

//many Europeans have other "racial" origins, if we want to talk about these idiocies, it is a surprising matter

///the most recent DNA studies have anyway revealed that the original movement towards Europe had been from the area that today we call Turkey. Imagine how ignorant these babies are.

re: #194 jemima
You nailed it.

To heck with who is a Nazi, who's a Zionist, who's a Jew. Money is money. Because none of you scumbags told me I was on the Israeli payroll and somebody has been stiffing me. And the worst thing about all of you traitors is that I had to hear about this on another blog from my friend Arnie Amsterdamsky.

And if I had known that, I would have tried to be more clever. My one-liners have probably killed my future performance evaluations now. I might as well look for another job.

On my Fourth LGF birthday I killed a thread...

/must be the deodorant

I think Fjordman's piece to which Charles linked above is reasonable and substantive. By contrast there is an awful lot of snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread. Fjordman points out ways in which he sees white Europeans as being treated differently than anyone else anywhere. Is it impossible that anything he says on this subject is true, fair, and important?

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

re: #55 wanumba

re: #31 Geepers

I think half these guys on LGF are either volunteers for or on the Israeli payroll.

Yes, because surely we're incapable of making up our own minds about "European nationalism."

Another ding-ding-ding! What does the common American riff-raff know about such nuanced things?

I'm not even american. I get what they mean by "european nationalism". It's not what I would call... good nationalism, i.e. the american kind (which isn't race-based).

I don't care what race they are, racists are racists. Mugabe is a moron, and so are these guys. They don't care about the facts, other than the ones validating their simple-minded hatred of anything genetically different. They will destroy their own countries by attaching their ego to their "race".

My chinese wife sees it as I do - genetic diversity is good!

#198 Poitiers-Lepanto 11/01/07 9:42:40 am

Of course not, that's why they use the WHITE thing so often, it's a coded message

That's exactly what makes me suspicious of this Fjordman character.

#202

snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread

But of course, it's a Zionist conspiracy.

/make an effort and read the comments, today's comments and the last seven or so days', and convince yourself that here on LGF there is no space for the fourth reich supporters.

When people say "Zionist," what they really mean is, "Jew." Just do the replacement in any article in the Brussels Journal, and you'll see how anti-semitic they are.

I've always liked Fjordman's essays. Never saw a nazi angle but maybe I don't speak "the code". I would be disappointed if he was a nazi. In both him and my "spidie-senses".

re: #202 rogue yam

By contrast there is an awful lot of snark and petty cliquishness on this comment thread.

As opposed to the comment threads at Brussels Journal, where you'll find open antisemitism. Oops. I mean, "anti-Zionism."

re: #202 rogue yam

Fjordman is not pushing an anti-jihad agenda.
He is pushing a white Belgium agenda. Islam is just the current threat he is against.

re: #200 goodbye_natalie

To heck with who is a Nazi, who's a Zionist, who's a Jew. Money is money. Because none of you scumbags told me I was on the Israeli payroll and somebody has been stiffing me. And the worst thing about all of you traitors is that I had to hear about this on another blog from my friend Arnie Amsterdamsky.

And if I had known that, I would have tried to be more clever. My one-liners have probably killed my future performance evaluations now. I might as well look for another job.

You're fired and no, you will not get severence pay.

re: #19 wanumba

re: #14 NoSubmission

Israeli payroll?What a joke.

You ... you mean this check isn't good?

I cashed mine and with only an added $2 I got a Venti at Starbuck's. So, yes...the check is good.

re: #202 rogue yam

Is it impossible that anything he says on this subject is true, fair, and important?

If he'd stop being disingenuous, we might be able to find out.

Anyone who's seen Amsterdamsky (BTW, an American) on The Brussels Journal or No Pasaran knows that he's an anti-Semite and ignores most everything he says.

In defense of Fjordman, I believe one of the reasons he quit maintaining his own blog was because his views seem to attract some of the racial supremacist and neo-Nazi types and he didn't want to have to deal with them. I had a couple of email conversations with him a couple of years back and my clear impression was that he did not hold with that kind of people.

re: #175 kynna

I'm still trying to work out exactly what a 'Zionist' is.

If one of your parents was a Zionist, you're a Zionist.

re: #213 Don Miguel

Anyone who's seen Amsterdamsky (BTW, an American) on The Brussels Journal or No Pasaran knows that he's an anti-Semite and ignores most everything he says.

OK. So why do they tolerate him at Brussels Journal?

In defense of Fjordman, I believe one of the reasons he quit maintaining his own blog was because his views seem to attract some of the racial supremacist and neo-Nazi types ...

OK. So why do you think that is?

#40 Daybrother . . .

When challenged, the same groups' supporters respond with antisemitism and bigoted conspiracy theories--precisely the tactics used by the Islamists. They need to at the very least get a decent script together because simply assembling a European mob with torches and pitchforks isn't gonna cut it.

Well stated.

Don't those bozos have some good arguments, like supporting women's rights, the right to leave Islam, the wrongness of honor killings and clitorectomies, the right to an education, the wrongness of jihad, etc. etc. I could help them write a list of things to be for besides "whiteness."

#216 re my list of things to be for . . .

Since we are talking about "Belgium," in particular, how about including the right to drink beer, eat red meat (non-halal) and pork, and walk down the street without hiding one's hair and face.

"Who will rid me of these troublesome Jews?" Europe wants to cry out again. But having been humiliated so recently, they dissemble. They pretend their true desires are not what they are. They think that lashing out at cowboy Americans will put them on higher ground while their cultural underpinnings crumble beneath them. Any target but the actual threat.

Gosh, I'm so disappointed in hearing about this. I always looked forward to Fjordman's posts. Have we missed something all this while by misunderstanding European thought process, along the lines of what Poitiers-Lepanto said...speaking of white nationalism = fascism?

I haven't caught up on all the posts, but P-L has it nailed---the LLL's are always looking for ways to quash this site, or smear Charles in some form or another.

Any association with Nazis, Neo-Nazis, or White supremacist groups will cause serious and possibly irreparable damage to the anti-Jihadist cause.

Exactly the reason you mustn't associate with these groups. Our mothers were right, you know, 'One bad apple spoils the whole bushel.'

I don't know too much about the Brussels Journal, but when I made the comment: "It sounds like they are trying to argue that Europe must unite under Christianity"

There was clear evidence of this in the B.J. post, which I quoted.

Friends and neighbors.
I have been asked not to indulge myself in this forum, by my family.
So i have tried to concentrate on my work.
Anyway here I take a LONG look at a subject I was interested in when I first heard that Sept. 11 demonstrations would be banned inBrussels.
And after a long look, I am sad.

Sad that there is still such a gap between Euro-concepts and American Ideals.
Really sad that people are ready to throw in with a bad crowd, and waste
whatever credibility they have.
Sad that the only outcome of that, that seems likely, is street violence.
Sad that they still do not understand about basing your nationalism on ideals instead of heredity.
Sad that we WILL have to do it again.
Sad to lose respect for Fjordman or PAm Geller or RS or BY.
WTF ?
Glad to still be under the wing of rabid Zionists.

A few days ago, I received this email from Bruce Bawer, author of "While Europe Slept" (a terrific book on radical Islam in Europe), and I'm reprinting it here with his permission:

---

Hi Charles,

Your concerns about Vlaams Belang/Blok and the Sverigedemokraterna are totally justified.

In May, Paul Belien wrote as follows in the Washington Times: "Europe is in the middle of a three-way culture war between the defenders of traditional Judeo-Christian morality, the proponents of secular hedonism and the forces of Islamic Jihadism."

”Secular hedonism” is plainly his term for secular liberalism. Plainly he identifies with what he calls ”traditional Judeo-Christian morality.” And the structure of his sentence suggests that for him both ”secular hedonism” and ”Islamic Jihadism” are equal enemies.

And what about those of us who foolishly think this is a war for INDIVIDUAL LIBERTY? Are we just supposed to sit back and shut up and take orders from a bunch of little Euro-fascists?

As we say in Norway, stå på! (Stick to your guns!)

All best,
Bruce

What fundamentally this conflict of blogs concerns is a disagreement on a core aspect of our ideologies. Fjordman and others are defending an idea of nationalism that includes a race element -- specifically the white race. For instance:

re: #35 Fjordman

OK Charles, since you make this to be about racism, I'd like to hear your definition of racism. The indigenous population of all European countries is white. If European countries would like to maintain the indigenous population as the majority, this by extension means a white majority. Do you think the people in, say, Norway, have the right to desire an immigration policy which ensures a traditional demographic majority, or is this racism? If so, how come non-European countries are allowed to desire the same thing without being attacked?

Since you're so preoccupied with racism, will you also launch an equally passionate campaign against the Whiteness Studies now taught in increasing numbers of American educational institutions, sometimes with the support of public money?

Aside from the laughably fallacious argument that leftists often use that we are not speaking out enough about other kinds of racists, there is a notion of white nationalism plainly being defended here. This is not about "politically correct" nonsense or immediately trying to tar all of the opponents to our position as neo-Nazis, but rather a serious and legitimate disagreement among, assumably, responsible parties. LGF has raised these concerns in a reasonable and well evidenced manner. It is utmost of importance that we see through the attempt at obfuscating this issue of racial ideology by referring to very stupid cases of leftists charging "racism" at the drop of the hat or Europe's multiculti totalitarians; for some reason, some folks think they can confuse everyone with such red herrings. Further, our strong disagreement on the defendibility and morality of "white nationalism" -- the most euphemistic way to phrase it in fact -- has led to further disagreements on which European parties with whom we ought both morally and practically to form allegiances, to the great outrage of those Europeans and others who disagree with LGF. One of the key points, here, is that the analogy of allying with Stalin (an evil) against the Nazis (an immiment threat to survival) is flawed, for we are now not at war but building awareness and building a legitimate anti-jihad movement.

The trouble for the opponents of LGF's position, and what much of this fury is about, is that we are rejecting that racial ideology as morally wrong and destructive of the anti-jihad movement. As a response, rather than confronting the issue and the substantive disagreement, we have seen numerous attacks on LGF, insulting comments by Paul Belien and many others about our ignorance as Americans of European politics, and most recently charges that we are controlled by the Jews. This comes as a genuine shame to some of us who had been defending the moderate faction of the Vlaams Belang. Defenses of this ideology of race are appearing by people we once saw as close allies in the fight against Islamization (for example, we saw a recent piece in the Brussels Journal endorse the antisemitic BNP as well as racial ideology: [Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...] This entire event is an excellent opportunity not only for the anti-jihad supporters to firmly take the moral and wise stand against the ideology that brings race into identity and nationalism, but for parties such as the VB and the SD to discern the fatal flaw in their platform and to start anew -- leaving the alliances with white supramacist groups and individuals like Haider, Le Pen, the NDP, etc. to rot in their own evil having been cut off.

Yeah, I do get Zionist checks, but that's only because I sell stuff at the Zionist Mall. (Sale on Chanukah menorahs!)

Since this isn't a dead thread yet, I guess I'll add to my too-short list of Belgian things that Belgians should treasure.

Brussel sprouts, French (Belgian) fries, Magritte, Paul Delvaux

I'm sorry I don't know more about Belgian culture. Maybe the Belgian nationalists can enlighten me. I know the Flemish did a lot of fabulous paintings, but I would have to look up their names to list them.

Lace? Not my thing, but some may like it.

Amsterdamsky just begs for some cracks on his nic. For some reason, it makes me think of igPay atinLay.
~~~
I've been here a long time, and I've never ever noted that anyone here thinks there are moderate Islamists. I think the over-all tone is caution about blowing up Islamic places IN CASE there are, but big doubts as to whether there are many, if any. And trying to call them out of the shadows. You know, err on the side of caution. This blog is continually posting about the extremes in Islam...where did he get the idea about lgfers and moderate Islam?

re: #223 Yank in the EU

It is utmost of importance that we see through the attempt at obfuscating this issue of racial ideology by referring to very stupid cases of leftists charging "racism" at the drop of the hat or Europe's multiculti totalitarians; for some reason, some folks think they can confuse everyone with such red herrings.

Great post. I would also add that arguing that "their is no one else to turn to in Europe besides groups like VB" is equally a red herring.

I wouldn't be here at all if it weren't for Ed's weather reports and the rampant speculations about Hillary's carnal conquests. Frankly, I'll have to do a search to see what references there are to this "Israel" place you mention.

'twould appear that there is a special element to the Belien/Fjordman blog that I haven't noticed. While it seems innocent to maintain a polite fiction, I fear that even non islamist muslims and ordinary folks would suffer under such a policy, all for the national good. Where have we heard that before? I am and always will be for the rights of the individual. Whether to say allahu akbar or F___ Mohammed up the a___ ! That is a major problem with both Islamism and Nazism and why I want no part of either. Now about these shekels?

Damn. Miss a couple days and everything goes to hell.

I'm still cashing my obscenely large Zionist paychecks and spreading strife wherever I can.

We don't need crazies or bigots on our side to defeat the muz's jihad: we have the truth, the ballot box, and if all else fails and the shit hits the fan...the 2nd Amendment.

re: #223 Yank in the EU

re: #227 konservo

It's more than red herrings- he, pamela, and others have also gone ad hominem. It has become clear over the last week that they do not wish to discuss this with us because their arguments have been nothing but disingenuous- and that is not conducive to understanding. They want to cling to their position, and they might be feeling a bit desperate for us to shut up about it, so we can carry on as though none of this happened, and there are no fascist elements among us. To that I say- fat chance.

re: #227 konservo

Well said. Vlaams Belang's motto is "Het enige alternatief" (the only alternative). But that is a fairly manipulative concept for forcing people to join the extreme party out of panic. There are always decent ways to fight, even if it seems difficult with the stranglehold by the socialists.

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

Oh, Fjordman's hallucination day. 3 to 5 percent of the population in the EU are Muslims and this includes countries like Bulgaria where Muslims are no immigrants but indigenous people. That means that 95 to 97 percent of the the population in the EU is "from white and European descent" (whatever this means). Where does he see the danger for Europe? Yes, there are hot spots like France, Sweden or some regions in GB. F. spreads panic and scares the people to gain political ground for his friends from the neofascist parties.

There is no need for such hysterical behavior. We need rational people with rational solutions.

re: #104 Ringo the Gringo

fjordman also has a post about LGF at Brussels Journal today.

One thing I'll say about fjordman; the guy is devoid of a sense of humor.

Over the years I never heard him make even one attempt at humor. He's got a real rough stick up his ass.

I just read your link to Fjordman and see that he completely misunderstands the posters at LGF. He thinks that we, as a group, defend affirmative action, blackness studies, women's studies, whiteness studies, "La Raza," etc.

Though I'm sure collectively we might all have different opinions on the subjects I listed above, I'm willing to bet that most of us are against "quotas" (which affirmative action quickly became), "women's studies" (which degenerated into men bashing instead of giving a fresh look at women in history using improved research techniques), etc.

Fjordman clearly does not understand what we are saying here. I don't know if he's ever traveled through the United States (NYC, LA, and Disneyland don't count).

Fjordman...come to my neighborhood, and you'll see why we Americans can't support "whiteness" as a guiding principle.

BTW, I just came from a check-up by an American-born Indian-American doctor with a Jewish name. How did that happen? Maybe she's a Hindu, but she sure looked and dressed like a beautiful American woman.

re: #4 Iron Fist

I'm not a mercenary, but I do cash my paychecks...

Really? I signed up for direct deposit. Ah yes, that special time at the first of the month when my Israeli pay comes automatic to my bank account. It's a beautiful thing.

Blast these "progressive" thinkers and their conspiracy logic. How could they have discovered that half of us volunteer and half of us are getting paid? I smell a mole...

/kidding

re: #112 Charles

I see Fjordman is using his idiotic 'red herring' argument again -- the fact that I haven't posted about La Raza means ... what, exactly?

This kind of argument -- you posted about this, but not about this -- is exactly the same tactic we see all the time at leftist attack blogs. It's a diversion, and a way to obfuscate the issues by throwing in irrelevant nonsense, hoping to take the focus off the real arguments.

Just got to your post. That's a good summary of Fjordman's arguments. It's the same tactic used by LLLs when I try to explain why I'm against the spread of jihadism and Islam. They always come up with the same reasoning...well, what about the Crusades?

Diversonary tactics, irrelevant nonsense, and ad hominem attacks. That's what passes for conversation and discussion among the so-called educated. The school systems of both Europe and America should be ashamed of themselves.

Another thread at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe - The Brussels Journal.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

"WN" is their abbreviation for "White Nationalism."

"We just took down two minor European nazi political parties that were trying to sneak into the Anti-Jihad party!"

"That's nice dear, did you take out the trash?"

PERSPECTIVES,
R

re: #234 Promethea

(NYC, LA, and Disneyland don't count).

They are not the same place?

/lame one liner alert

re: #138 WriterMom

re: #131 TalkinKamel

THEY CAUSED THE ICE AGE!

Goldberg, Iceberg THEY ARE ALL THE SAME!

Isn't that a joke about the sinking of the Titanic? Hmmm. Could be a metaphor for European culture hitting a gigantic racist iceberg.

Also, Jews probably caused the Ice Age and Global Warming. It's our hair rays. More powerful than the Sun itself.

re: #238 Render

"We just took down two minor European nazi political parties that were trying to sneak into the Anti-Jihad party!"

"That's nice dear, did you take out the trash?"

LOL !
Sometimes I do feel life is like that...

re: #237 Charles

"Respectable?"

I'm guessing that commenter doesn't know about Kevin Strom yet?

Are those comments moderated and approved?

SAYS
IT
ALL,
R

re: #234 Promethea

I can't remember who said it over the last week but I've come to believe it- europeans have no understanding of Americans. fjordman seems to be proof positive of that.

But what is most pathetic is his attempts to obfuscate and the ad hominem attacks while claiming we are they ones using leftist tactics. It's hypocritical. And now he's blatantly lying about LGFers, because hey- there's still a couple planks left of that bridge.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke

And that's all I need to read. If bj thinks david duke is respectable, that should tell you all you need to know about that site.

I've said this to someone once before, but cognitive dissonance of the right is no prettier than that of the left. They fail to understand why this "movement" hasn't gained traction with middle "white" America. What's worse- they refuse to listen to us tell them the "why". They don't want to know- because it might just make them take a good, hard look at themselves- and with the rhetoric they're spewing- would you want to look at yourself if you were them?

re: #237 Charles

Another thread at Brussels Journal reveals open support for white supremacists: The Rape of Europe - The Brussels Journal.

Although the American WN/paleo-con movement has some respectable people & organisations such as David Duke, Kevin MacDonald, Kevin Strom, Jared Taylor, American Rennaissance, Minutemen, & National Vanguard; overall the American movement has failed to connect with mainstream white America. In Europe by contrast, many groups using various tactics have managed to bring WN issues and ideas to the mainstream political discourse.

"WN" is their abbreviation for "White Nationalism."

I hate that they included the Minutemen in their list of horror. More smears.

re: #213 Don Miguel

So why is he now a true believer of them? And why didn't he reflect his standpoint when he was aware that those people agree with him?

re: #237 Charles

Blech.

I think we all need to watch for that cute little abbreviation "WN" a little more closely.

re: #237 Charles

I don't think the Aussies or Kiwi's need any white supremacists from Belgium mass emigrating.

re: #169 WriterMom

re: #165 TalkinKamel

SUSHI POWER!

I gotta get some lunch.

That's funny. I just had Finnish-style French toast. (Corner Bakery baked French toast)

Ooooh, oooh our precious American culture--ham and eggs for breakfast, peanut butter and jelly sandwich for lunch--is being destroyed ! ! ! Call in the race purifiers.

The $64,000 64,000 shekel question:

Does "WN" Europe include, or exclude Jews?

DON'T ANSWER THAT!

re: #139 Poitiers-Lepanto

Fascists in Europe speak like him all the time, in public.
Of course they do, because there are very strict laws against re-building the fascist party in many European Countries, so the fascists had to find a way to speak without being "caught".
The obsession with the WHITE Europe is what gives him away.

This is called "news speak".

I am not rabidly zionist.

Can I have my sh*t now?

Please understand that Amsterdamsky is a troll at Brussels Journal. He is on the offensive all the time spewing his anti-Semitic remarks over there.

He is not representative of the average commenter at BJ.

#245 buzzsawmonkey
"Having abandoned national history, having rejected religion on pro-rationalist and anti-sectarian grounds, what besides "ethnicity" is left to provide a readily-available and readily-comprehensible rallying point?"

Well, there's always that tried and true one--antisemitism.

I have posted this at BJournal and am trying to at Gates of Vienns

First off, I’m a nobody sitting at a keyboard. Words cannot express the appreciation that I have for Charles Johnson and the hours he has put in creating a clearinghouse of information about the inroads Islamofascism is making in Western society, and it’s all too effective use of our own pathetic cultural weaknesses in advancing it’s totalitarian agenda. My appreciation equally extends to Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal.

I thus feel like I am not only watching the falling out of friends, but, far more important, the falling out of allies for whom the only winner is the totalitarian movement.

So, some observations that might be my tiny little contribution toward healing the rift.

1) I think Charles is wrong to banish these links (GoV and BJ) from his blogroll. It is his right to have whoever he wants on his blog, but he is now a “public figure” (of sorts), and others are within their rights to judge him for it. It just seems totally petty, a wrong way to treat an ally in the movement, and ill-befitting the spirit of the blogosphere. Just my $.02

2) His vehemence over this issue strikes me as a bit over the top, but that’s just me. Like, for example, US troubles with France or even Russia in 1944, go ahead and get on record, but belaboring the point seems like you are looking for an ill-timed fight.

Now in his defense...

3) One reaction of many is to hurl “neo-con”... Blah blah blah. Feel free to differ with me, but I think the whole “neo-con” thing of the past decade is absolute horse-puckey. Far more people are accused of being “neo-cons” than label themselves as such, and thus the very phrase is more about those saying it than those it is said about. The fact that it, as a charge, seems to gravitate toward prominent Jewish-Americans and ardent supporters of Israel is not lost on many, nor that the-word seems to be used far more by non-Americans than Americans. Many of those so labeled are simply conservatives who are ideologically not liked by others, and are saddled with the dreaded, “ooh, scary neo-cons...” label by those who are opposed to American conservatives for all the standard reasons.

4) What Charles does show is a profound unease with the European right, and one that is not unjustified. The fact is, we all know (if I may caricature for a moment) that European starry-eyed enamorment of extremes is all too familiar by now. It has been almost exclusively of the left since WWII, but, to read many of the European rights own web pages (such as the BNP, not Europe, I know, but still...), we find that they can be just as socialist, just as hostile to “evil capitalism”, just as anti-American as their Trotskyite counterparts. We find the very weird sight of neo-nazis and the like being downright sympathetic to the same Arab terror movements (overseas at least) that will happily ensconce themselves in Europe to fight for the Eurabian agenda. The only possible explanation is that they despise the Jews, who have FAR less of a footprint in Europe today, and remain physically indistinguishable from indigenous Europeans, more than anyone or anything else, including a host of people, who, far from trying to “fit-in” as so many Jews have always done, take the exact opposite track of setting themselves up as total opponents of the very culture that they live in. In essence, one wonders if many Muslims in Europe are doing exactly what Jews have, I believe, been unfairly accused of doing in the early 20th century, i.e. trying to “take over” institutions, to their own ends, etc. That some rightist groups can look over the landscape of today and STILL see Jews as the greater threat simply boggles the mind. (cont.)

(cont.)

5) So given the past history, I think what Charles, and I, and those dreaded “neo-cons”... would like to see, is the parties of the Euro-right say loudly and forcefully that they are NOT about skin color, they are not about “The Jews”, and that all are welcome in their movement. They ARE about culture, they ARE about tradition, they ARE about language, they ARE demanding that citizens and immigrants have obligations, and they ARE NOT about apologizing for any of the latter, even though the people who created all that are basically White Christians (horrors!). And that Muslims are welcome in such movements, but are expected to adhere to the Judeo-Christian foundations and history of the nation which they have chosen to be a part of. If that is not acceptable to them, there are plenty of airports out there. But skin-color, and heritage, meaning “race”, is off the table for discussion, exclusion, or measurement in any way. Maybe these parties are already saying this and it is not being heard (are they?), but maybe they have an obligation to their own movement to say it repeatedly and loudly.

I’m just a bloviating Yank, so what do I know, and much of what I say here can apply to the US as well, but that’s not the issue here. I guess what is is that, if these parties of the Euro-right want to fight this battle most effectively, they probably need to be REALLY REALLY forthright about some of their failings in these matters, past and present. Charles seems to be of a mind that they are not doing so. If he is wrong, let it be said loudly and clearly, and for the sake of Western Civilization, let us get back onto the same page as soon as possible.

"Armor" is a prolific commentator at BJ:

Reflect on this one for a while:

[Link: www.brusselsjournal.com...]

The Jewish genocide is mainly used by the extreme left and the media as a weapon to hurt Europe and attack European genes through the means of mass immigration. Many Jews are at the forefront of this tactic. I am sure they care about what happened to their people at the time of Hitler's Europe, but they are not soberly remembering that episode. They are using it ad nauseam to hurt us. By the way, the Jews were certainly not in the past, and are certainly not today the least race conscious people on the earth. How did they manage to retain their cohesiveness during several centuries living among Europeans? How can they accuse us of racism towards them and claim that they are exempt of any racism towards us? This is dishonest. How should we call the policy of mass immigration aimed at the white race? Although I know that not all Jews agree with it. The crime of Hitler was not racism, it was mass murder.

For the record, I still miss Bigel.

The white supremacists are only a tiny fringe of Europeans. The vast majority are "moderates" who are afraid to speak out and upset the very vocal (and frikkin' scary) minority.

Oh, wait. I think I'm a bit mixed up...

I'm 100% behind Charles with his efforts to distance himself with elements in the European blog/anti-jihadi movement.

Some of these elements lay claims that they have left their anti-Semitic/fascist past behind. With a blog like LGF, which has a large mainstream audience, being connected to them gives these elements credibility which they do not deserve.

re: #257 Andrew X

I think Charles is wrong to banish these links (GoV and BJ) from his blogroll. It is his right to have whoever he wants on his blog, but he is now a “public figure” (of sorts), and others are within their rights to judge him for it. It just seems totally petty, a wrong way to treat an ally in the movement, and ill-befitting the spirit of the blogosphere. Just my $.02

You're welcome to your opinion, but the bottom line for me is that I don't want to be associated with those opinions. Period.

Dear LGF,

Thanks for nothing. Why couldn't you give me sh*t because of my lack of Zionism? I haven't even received one negative rating or been accused of being a leftard or a communist.

Seriously, where's the hate? Why can't you just hate me?

Masochistically yours,

Deseeded

re: #192 Poitiers-Lepanto

I can easily imagine that this could have been an organized hit.

I'm utterly sure that this was an organized hit.

Jonathan Kay makes the point that the other folks rebelling against multiculturalism are secular lefties--Pim Fortuyn types: [Link: communities.canada.com...]

re: #231 Sharmuta