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The Mask Comes Off at Brussels Journal

Fri, Nov 2, 2007 at 2:10:32 pm PDT

The mask is really coming off at Brussels Journal, in a disgusting attack on Bruce Bawer, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, and myself: Is This What It Is All About?

(Before clicking through, be aware that Belien has posted a deliberately offensive photograph of bondage gear-wearing homosexual men kissing, to illustrate his post.)

In another comment, Belien lashes out at me again, calling me a “Stalinist” and a “Nazi” (simultaneously! that’s a neat trick), and attacking LGF readers as well.

Exceptional measure
Submitted by Paul Belien on Fri, 2007-11-02 12:49.

Yesterday evening we removed two comments from Amsterdamsky in which he spoke of “Zionists on the Israeli payroll” with regard to Little Green Footballs. We consider it an insult to Zionists to compared them to the LGF people. We have also blocked Amsterdamsky’s account so that he can no longer post comments here, but this can be reversed.

I know that our readers know that we do not agree with every comment posted here. Unfortunately, the so-called “proponents of free speech” at LGF do not. They think that every opinion voiced in the comments is also ours and they attack us for it. Someone told me the other day that Charles Johnson used to be a liberal (or a “leftist” as Europeans would say) before he became a conservative. Apparently, the man still adheres to the Stalinist (or Nazi) methods of the past. One of these Stalinist (or Nazi) principles is the principle of guilt by association.

Belien is complaining about having comments at his site attributed to him—which, of course, I did not do. I clearly identified the comments I quoted in this post as reader comments and attributed them to the readers who posted them, not to Belien.

So let’s look at Belien’s writing. Here’s an article by Paul Belien himself, published at the hard-core (some say extremist) anti-immigrant web site Vdare.com: VDARE.com: Anti-Immigration Party Banned In Belgium, by Paul Belien.

And Belien’s article was linked with approval at the Holocaust-denying Institute for Historical Review, on a page full of other bizarre and antisemitic articles.

Nice company Paul Belien runs with.

Previous LGF posts on the Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats:
Organizing to Resist the Islamization of Europe
When Friends Attack
About Vlaams Belang and Sweden Democrats
Sweden Democrats Document Dump
Islam in Europe: ‘This Isn’t Going to Be Pretty’
Videos: Vlaams Belang and Vlaams Blok
Vlaams Belang Leader Interviewed
Vlaams Belang and the US White Supremacist Cesspool
Wednesday Night Link Depot
’Repugnant?’ Yes, That’s What I Wrote
Now is DeWinter of Our Discontent

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1 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:15:29pm

LGF people, I'm so proud to be one.

2 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:16:40pm

It's satire!

/

3 SusanL  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:16:45pm

re: #1 newsjunkie_ky

LGF people, I'm so proud to be one.

ME TOO!

If those type of people don't like us, well that is not a bad thing. Keep up the good work Charles.

Susan

4 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:16:51pm
5 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:18:06pm

Not one word about any of this..from Atlas.

6 MacGregor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:18:32pm

We disagree with nazis and stalinists in almost every post while these people align themselves with socialist agendas openly. The chutzpah!

7 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:18:59pm

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

Belien is slamming the concept of "guilt by association."

It is true that one may not be entirely in sympathy with those with whom one associates--but the odds are against one being entirely not in sympathy with them.

And it remains true that those who lie down with dogs, arise with fleas--whether that is "guilt by association" or not.

If there were only one or two of the "guilt by association" connections, it might be a valid criticism. But there are dozens, if not hundreds, of these connections.

8 Le_Patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:19:21pm

"with regard to Little Green Footballs. We consider it an insult to Zionists to compared them to the LGF people"

*several lizards read link*
*GAZE*
*this lizard knocks all bottles and glasses off the top of bar*
*breaks a bottle on edge of bar, and exposes sharp bottle edge to an apparently seething Paul Belian, who's blog post does not even employ proper grammar*

*pours another beer*

*finally shakes head, and declares -
"all your bad grammar are belong to you, as well as your misconceptions about the real world"*

9 opnion  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:19:52pm

Whats the saying? "You are judged by your enemies as well as you friends" LGF is on solid ground

10 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:20:06pm

The thread I posted this in has a conversation going on that was pretty enlightening about the brussels journal.

11 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:20:13pm

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

The post was what that talk is attracting.
Not guilt by association.

12 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:20:58pm

re: #5 storagemanager

Not one word about any of this..from Atlas.

Of course not.

13 Le_Patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:21:14pm

re: #8 Le_Patriot
who's
BUSTED!
PIMF

14 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:21:56pm

Now they don't like gays either? White, straight, Christian. Got it.

You know, there seems to be a nostalgia in them for the 'old Europe'. But I don't think the old Europe of their imaginative memories ever really existed.

15 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:22:05pm

re: #5 storagemanager

When last I looked? Not a word.

/Shocka!

16 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:22:32pm
17 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:22:59pm

re: #5 storagemanager

What can she say?
She knew before she went.
She posted about who that group was months ago.
Maybe she is hoping to slip under the radar.

18 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:23:33pm

The level of vitriol is revealing. He must be right out of his helmet.

19 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:24:03pm

"to compared them to Zionists"?

PIYF!

20 Artki  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:24:20pm

Gee, it's like seeing the pages of "America Alone" come to life.

21 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:24:20pm

If you search Vdare for "Belien" you'll notice he still contributes to the site. This is not a past association but an ongoing relationship.

22 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:24:45pm
23 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:24:51pm

re: #1 newsjunkie_ky

LGF people, I'm so proud to be one.

As am I. Anti-jihadi, anti-socialist, anti-fascist, anti-nazi. I am here becuase I want to protect individual liberty and freedom for all, regardless of race or ethnicity.

24 marwan's daughter  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:25:13pm

re: #14 wahabicorridor

Now they don't like gays either? White, straight, Christian. Got it.

You know, there seems to be a nostalgia in them for the 'old Europe'. But I don't think the old Europe of their imaginative memories ever really existed.

No it didn't. In fact, the old Europe was worse than they think. Maybe that's what they want, eh? To have a savior in the vein of you-know-who (I'm pulling a Godwin here).

25 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:25:19pm

What a disappointment.

I used to read Brussels Journal fairly regularly and even after this rift began between LGF and BJ I assumed that Belien would, at the very least, remain a gentleman and argue his side with some degree of class.

I guess I was wrong.

What a shame.

26 Alouette  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:25:34pm

There are 10 measures of hate in the world.

9 of these are HATE against the truth.

27 marwan's daughter  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:25:45pm

re: #20 Artki

I better get that book.

28 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:26:15pm

I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.

29 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:26:32pm

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

How come nobody quotes Richard Marx?

/obscure 80's reference.

30 the_flying_pig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:26:37pm

Simply put, Paul Belien is blowing this affair with Charles and LGF way out of proportions.

Hello, Paul? Stop digging too far, too deep, you'll hit China!

31 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:27:18pm

re: #29 hous bin pharteen

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

How come nobody quotes Richard Marx?

/obscure 80's reference.

Damn. I've spent 20 years trying to forget him, thanks alot.

/smarty pants mode off ;)

32 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:27:19pm

re: #4 buzzsawmonkey

Belien is slamming the concept of "guilt by association."

Well, Belien should look very closely in a mirror regarding "guilt by association". He has waded into this mudpit up to his nose.

Remember: Before slinging mud, make sure you are not in the mudpit to begin with.

33 PETN Sandwich  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:27:24pm
So let’s look at Belien’s writing. Here’s an article by Paul Belien himself, published at the hard-core (some say extremist) white nationalist anti-immigrant web site Vdare.com: VDARE.com: Anti-Immigration Party Banned In Belgium, by Paul Belien.

Somebody better tell Michelle Malkin about this!

Wait, she already knows she's a hard-core white nationalist.

/sarc

34 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:28:09pm

re: #29 hous bin pharteen

re: #22 buzzsawmonkey

How come nobody quotes Richard Marx?

/obscure 80's reference.

I'll be right here waiting for someone to do so.

35 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:28:11pm

(Reposted from yesterday)

To paraphrase Dr. Henry Jones in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"Goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading blogs instead of burning them!"

36 Yank in the EU  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:28:19pm

The Brussels Journal, and Belien, demonstrate a thorough lack of class with this post.

Plus, as I said in the other thread, Paul Belien, I wonder if you would repeat that insult to my face?

37 the_flying_pig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:28:27pm

re: #28 gop_patriot

I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.

I think Paul was remarking about the unbounded madness of "secular hedonism" in Europe.

38 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:28:43pm
39 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:29:31pm

re: #24 marwan's daughter

re: #14 wahabicorridor


Now they don't like gays either? White, straight, Christian. Got it.

You know, there seems to be a nostalgia in them for the 'old Europe'. But I don't think the old Europe of their imaginative memories ever really existed.


No it didn't. In fact, the old Europe was worse than they think. Maybe that's what they want, eh? To have a savior in the vein of you-know-who (I'm pulling a Godwin here).

Godwin's Law does not apply when the topic actually is about people in the vein of you-know-who.

40 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:29:51pm

This is just too shocking...people I use to respect and read...it's all just so damn sad....at the fork in the road...they went the wrong way.

41 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:30:08pm

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

I've never, to my knowledge, heard of Richard Marx.

He's better know as Dicko Marx, the forgotten Marx brother.

42 shiplord kirel  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:30:39pm

re: #37 the_flying_pig

re: #28 gop_patriot


I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.

I think Paul was remarking about the unbounded madness of "secular hedonism" in Europe.

Well, the Mohammedans could put a stop to that. It's getting harder and harder to see what Paul's problem is.

43 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:30:51pm

"While Europe Slept"

WTH is Europe still asleep?

44 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:31:34pm

re: #30 the_flying_pig

I believe you are refering to this rule of life:

When you have found yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is to stop digging.

45 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:32:24pm

re: #33 PETN Sandwich

I removed the 'white nationalist' phrase -- although the site clearly has ties to people in the WN 'movement', that seems like too broad of a statement. Notice the names in their 'Editorial Collective'.

46 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:33:39pm

re: #28 gop_patriot

I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.


The rationale behind posting the photo along with Bawer's post at LGF is that Bruce Bawer is openly homosexual. He moved to Europe, where he thought he would encounter a more tolerant attitude. Got smacked upside the head, he did.

So what Belien is implying is that Bawer and Charles are like - you know - 'really friendly' and that's what's behind Bawer's support for Charles.

47 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:34:06pm

Zukerlilly found a good Bart Debie article.....
We need more Robocops
(autotranslated from German)
Which sheds a little more light on his exploits.
He also has a graphic up on his site

Notice the graphic of the policeman with gun drawn....

I'll Kick Your Ass and Get Away With It

48 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:34:31pm
49 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:35:24pm

re: #46 wahabicorridor

re: #28 gop_patriot

I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.

The rationale behind posting the photo along with Bawer's post at LGF is that Bruce Bawer is openly homosexual. He moved to Europe, where he thought he would encounter a more tolerant attitude. Got smacked upside the head, he did.

So what Belien is implying is that Bawer and Charles are like - you know - 'really friendly' and that's what's behind Bawer's support for Charles.

Yes, that's the point of it. It's an incredibly creepy thing to do.

50 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:36:31pm
51 the_flying_pig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:36:38pm

re: #44 Honorary Yooper

re: #30 the_flying_pig

I believe you are refering to this rule of life:

When you have found yourself in a hole, the first thing you should do is to stop digging.

Well, Paul has been busily digging himself a big hole since Charles raised a stink about the whole Vlaam Belang-Neo-nazi connections.

52 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:36:49pm

re: #46 wahabicorridor

It's also a slam at what Belien calls "Secular Hedonism" (aka Secular Humanism) which he sees as an enemy equal to Muslims.

53 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:36:51pm

re: #48 jeppo

This whole brouhaha reminds me of Henry Kissinger's old adage about why fights within academia are so vicious--because the stakes are so small.

You think this is a small issue?

54 Racer X  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:38:22pm

re: #48 jeppo

This whole brouhaha reminds me of Henry Kissinger's old adage about why fights within academia are so vicious--because the stakes are so small.

I disagree. The stakes are extremely high. If Islam is allowed to continue it's march across the globe we are all f*cked. Who we align with in the fight against Islam will determine who joins which side.

55 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:38:22pm

re: #49 Charles

It's an incredibly creepy thing to do.
Creepy is using restraint.

56 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:00pm

re: #51 the_flying_pig


If I may, respectfully fix a word:

Well, Paul has been busily digging himself a big hole since Charles raised a stink question about the whole Vlaam Belang-Neo-nazi connections.

57 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:03pm

PMF
Describing it as "Creepy" is using restraint.

58 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:04pm

The mask came off...you lose...........

HONOLULU (AP) - Television bounty hunter Duane "Dog" Chapman's show has been pulled from the air indefinitely by A&E, two days after a private phone conversation in which the reality star used a racial slur repeatedly was posted online.
"In evaluating the circumstances of the last few days, A&E has decided to take `Dog The Bounty Hunter' off the network's schedule for the foreseeable future," the network said in a statement Friday. "We hope that Mr. Chapman continues the healing process that he has begun."

A&E officials said the series, one of the network's top-rated programs, has not been canceled

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

59 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:11pm

re: #52 Killgore Trout

re: #46 wahabicorridor

It's also a slam at what Belien calls "Secular Hedonism" (aka Secular Humanism) which he sees as an enemy equal to Muslims.


Agreed. Unfortunately for THAT argument, I know a few deeply religious homosexuals. One of them is a Catholic priest.

60 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:29pm

re: #49 Charles

re: #46 wahabicorridor

re: #28 gop_patriot
I still can't understand why that picture of the two men kissing was posted. If you don't agree with them, you're for completely unrestricted sex in the streets? For gay people? What a bizarre point to try and make from the quotes they selected.

The rationale behind posting the photo along with Bawer's post at LGF is that Bruce Bawer is openly homosexual. He moved to Europe, where he thought he would encounter a more tolerant attitude. Got smacked upside the head, he did.So what Belien is implying is that Bawer and Charles are like - you know - 'really friendly' and that's what's behind Bawer's support for Charles.
Yes, that's the point of it. It's an incredibly creepy thing to do.

Oh. Yikes. Sorry, but my brain just didn't go there. I can't imagine someone (Belien) even coming up with that thought, based on anything that either Bawer or C. said at any time. Creepy is a bit of an understatement!

61 SpringheelJack  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:39:51pm

Internet Flame Wars rarely accomplish anything useful.

62 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:40:00pm

re: #48 jeppo


because the stakes are so small.

ignorant statement given history of these ties.

63 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:40:10pm

re: #48 jeppo

This whole brouhaha reminds me of Henry Kissinger's old adage about why fights within academia are so vicious--because the stakes are so small.

Small!?! Small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and Holocaust deniers small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and those Nazi-wannabes small!?! Sir, you need to really take a hard look at the differences between us and them.

64 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:40:47pm

Belien can kiss my shiny metal ass.

65 usmc1968  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:41:23pm

re: #30 the_flying_pig

What if you still have 20 people digging?

66 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:41:32pm

re: #49 Charles

Not to mention childish,if grade school taunts are are his idea of exchange of ideas,well,...The guy doesn't sound too bright.

67 buzzsawmonkey[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:42:11pm
68 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:42:12pm

Does Deutschland Uber Alles play in the background on his site now?

69 newsjunkie_ky  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:42:15pm

Richard Marx Should've know better.

70 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:42:15pm

re: #63 Honorary Yooper

re: #48 jeppo

This whole brouhaha reminds me of Henry Kissinger's old adage about why fights within academia are so vicious--because the stakes are so small.
Small!?! Small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and Holocaust deniers small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and those Nazi-wannabes small!?! Sir, you need to really take a hard look at the differences between us and them.

Jeppo is on Paul Belien's and the Vlaams Belang's side. He's been posting these kinds of comments ever since the topic came up, and yesterday tried to blatantly misrespresent Bruce Bawer's comments as an attack on Christians, hoping to split LGF readers on those lines.

71 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:42:34pm

That's it, the hornets are really swarming now.

Well, one hornet is swarming, and he has no stinger, but he's really angry!

Any lizards out there have some Raid?

72 J.S.  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:02pm

re: #49 Charles

Once upon a time, if someone did that (made false claims about homosexuality), it'd be reason for filing a defamation law suit...(not any more, I guess).

hmmm...on another topic -- I now have a number of people (writers for newspapers, etc.) that I now wonder about...Ironic that the Counter Jihad Conference really has acted as a "shibboleth" -- sorting out the W N (Volkish) folk from the others...(wonder if that too -- the shibboleh bit -- was planned, intentional?)

73 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:07pm

So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

74 Lantana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:14pm

I have been a LGF reader and Charles fan for three years. I also read BJ.

This site has always stayed focused on the cause of fighting islamofacism, terrorism and the people who support it. LGF has never tolerated racist bile or stooped to align itself with fellow anti-jihadis that have questionable racial beliefs. LGF and Charles have been stellar sources of information and the integrity of this site has never been compromised.

That issues have been raised about the association of some anti-islamist groups and blogs and their connection to racial supremacist/anti-jewish sentiments or members are valid concerns. That Charles makes a clear distinction about what he thinks of these types of people and thoughts should not create a war in the anti-islamisation or anti-jihad movement. Charles should not be vilified for expressing his opinions on people/groups he perceives to be racist or anti-semitic and his fear that they hurt the overall fight against islamofacism.

The commentors here are all good & fine too.

75 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:45pm

re: #71 NoSpam

That's it, the hornets are really swarming now.

Well, one hornet is swarming, and he has no stinger, but he's really angry!

Any lizards out there have some Raid?

Momma, get Real Kill!

76 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:53pm
77 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:43:56pm

re: #64 Ward Cleaver

Belien can kiss my shiny metal ass.

Hey that should be my line!
(ck. the back end of the nic.)

78 usmc1968  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:44:17pm

58 storagemanager

Speech police again!

79 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:44:41pm

re: #74 Lantana

How ironic that the initials of his site are BJ.

/not that there's anything wrong with that...

80 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:45:42pm

Franz Leibkind comes to mind here...

Youtube Video

Does this guy collect pigeons?

81 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:08pm

re: #78 usmc1968

58 storagemanager

Speech police again!

What Dog said was vile...he should be fired.

82 Izzy Dunne  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:18pm

you cannot convince Mr Johnson to mellow down, because he is not of the type willing to compromise on anything.


Not that there's anything WRONG with that....

83 Dianna  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:19pm

Goodnight.

I hope this all looks better in the morning.

I'm gonna go smoke and drink with my Secular Hedonist boss, and then I shall go home and fool around with my very Baptist boyfriend.

Then I shall pour a libation in gratitude to my own gods, and let the rest of you figure out how the hell I ended up a conservative.

84 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:21pm

re: #76 jeppo

Shaddap!

/you're the new nodrog

85 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:30pm

re: #70 Charles

re: #63 Honorary Yooper


re: #48 jeppo
This whole brouhaha reminds me of Henry Kissinger's old adage about why fights within academia are so vicious--because the stakes are so small.

Small!?! Small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and Holocaust deniers small!?! Are you calling the difference between us and those Nazi-wannabes small!?! Sir, you need to really take a hard look at the differences between us and them.

Jeppo is on Paul Belien's and the Vlaams Belang's side. He's been posting these kinds of comments ever since the topic came up, and yesterday tried to blatantly misrespresent Bruce Bawer's comments.

Yeah, I did notice, but I can't let that comment of his pass. "jeppo" is rather full of manure, IMHO. It's folks like "jeppo" who deliberately misrepresent the facts that really piss me off. I seriously dislike liars, and "jeppo" is a serious liar.

86 the_flying_pig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:43pm

re: #65 usmc1968

re: #30 the_flying_pig

What if you still have 20 people digging?

Hah! Helping hands while singing Horst Wessel.

87 vapig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:46:50pm
#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0

So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

Sounds redundant

88 usmc1968  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:47:16pm

re: #81 storagemanager
What did he say?

89 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:47:30pm

re: #81 storagemanager

re: #78 usmc1968


58 storagemanager

Speech police again!


What Dog said was vile...he should be fired.

It was funny hearing Guillermo reading Dog's apology on Jimmy Kimmel last night.

90 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:47:53pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

re: #76 jeppo

Shaddap!

/you're the new nodrog

So LGF is now "Proud Home of The Oppej?"

91 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:04pm

re: #84 Ward Cleaver

re: #76 jeppo

Shaddap!

/you're the new nodrog

Oppej?

92 J.S.  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:23pm

re: #76 jeppo

And the fact remains that the Cordon Sanitaire also exists. thus, the Party you support will never be allowed to form any coalition with main stream parties.

93 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:43pm

re: #88 usmc1968

re: #81 storagemanager
What did he say?

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

94 TheUnrepentantGeek  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:43pm

Well, as long as Belien is staying so classy in his discourse.

That's ... just really uncalled for.

95 Honorary Yooper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:47pm

re: #90 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey

BDVM, GMTA. LOL! :-D

96 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:48:52pm

re: #87 vapig

#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

Sounds redundant

I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.

97 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:49:22pm

re: #88 usmc1968

re: #81 storagemanager
What did he say?

He called his daughter's boyfriend a n****r, said he uses the word sometimes, and didn't want to be embarrassed over it.

98 DistantThunder  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:49:32pm

Frontline. Trench warfare. Incoming!

We're behind you Charles.

99 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:49:47pm

re: #91 Honorary Yooper

re: #84 Ward Cleaver


re: #76 jeppo

Shaddap!

/you're the new nodrog


Oppej?

Yeah, that's it!

100 segesta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:50:05pm

Just stay focused, Charles. Don't let this Vlaams Belang (sp?) issue become to LGF what waterboarding has become to Andrew Sullivan.

101 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:50:09pm
102 Render  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:50:13pm

Duke and his minions have spent years trying to obtain mainstream acceptability and legitimacy, both in the US and in Europe.

We just exposed the crown jewel (VB) of his European efforts for what it is. DeWinter has been carefully groomed since he was a teenager for this leadership role.

Of course they're pissed. When they're done with the insults, they will then turn to threats.

M.O.,
R

103 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:50:18pm

re: #96 The Other Les

re: #87 vapig


#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

Sounds redundant

I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.

Do you take toast, too?

104 neocon hippie  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:51:19pm

There are posters here who are of faith who believe that what Belien has called "secular hedonism" but more commonly known as "secular humanism" is, if not an equal enemy as Islamofascism, deeply problematic for the health of our society, including our ability to fight the Islamofascists. I'd be very curious to hear from such folks as to what they think of Belien's view and how it mirrors or differs from their own.

105 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:51:20pm

re: #72 J.S.

Once upon a time, if someone did that (made false claims about homosexuality), it'd be reason for filing a defamation law suit...(not any more, I guess).

Actually if I'm not mistaken, it's still per se libel under the law of New York State. (Don't know about any of the others... that's where I did my bar, so that's the state whose wackier laws I know)

106 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:51:28pm

Somebody's not long for this world.

/er, blog

107 the_flying_pig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:51:33pm

People should not forget about the Muslim-Nazi connections in the past.

It would seem that the Neo-Nazis are not aware of that in spite of opposing the Islamist jihadists in Europe and elsewhere. They're on the same team!

108 zombie  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:52:46pm

Totally, OT, but there's nowhere else to post it:

New zombietime report just unveiled:

San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

When you want to take a break from Euro-politics, you're really gonna like this one.

109 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:53:14pm
110 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:53:15pm

One of the oddest things. Don't know if any of you read the BJ thread 'Schroedinger's Cat....". Toward the very end, the writer trots out '80 years of scientific studies showing mean differences across racial groups' - paraphrased as well as memory permits. Basically, whites are the smart ones, the rest are intellectually inferior.

I was going to write a post there asking of anyone thought Belgians born w/Down's syndrom should be excluded from citizenship - even residency perhaps.

To allocate various levels of human dignity according to some social classification ultimately demeans your own. And Belien has just proved it.

111 nolocon  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:53:55pm

re: #87 vapig

#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0
So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

Sounds redundant

Stalinazi = the political cousin of a HeteroLesbian.

112 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:54:10pm

re: #103 Ward Cleaver

re: #96 The Other Les

re: #87 vapig


#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.


Sounds redundant


I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.

Do you take toast, too?

The local theater does not allow toast.

113 Peacekeeper  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:54:34pm

Chitty Chitty Vlaams Belang

114 zuckerlilly  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:54:35pm

re: #73 Ward Cleaver

So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

rofl

115 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:54:42pm

re: #104 neocon hippie

There are posters here who are of faith who believe that what Belien has called "secular hedonism" but more commonly known as "secular humanism" is, if not an equal enemy as Islamofascism, deeply problematic for the health of our society, including our ability to fight the Islamofascists. I'd be very curious to hear from such folks as to what they think of Belien's view and how it mirrors or differs from their own.

The thing that the Europeans can't get around is the practically nonexistent birth rate among them. The muslims will swamp them with their sheer numbers, and triumph just based on demographics. No amount of speeches and protests can overcome that.

If the Europeans want to survive, and retain their culture, they've got to start making new Europeans.

116 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:54:53pm

I just stomped Brussels Journal out of bookmarks. That felt good, in a bondage gear sort of way.

117 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:55:13pm

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

I love Guillermo!

I am gonna have to look that one up and watch it!

118 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:55:31pm

re: #112 The Other Les

re: #103 Ward Cleaver


re: #96 The Other Les

re: #87 vapig


#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.

Sounds redundant

I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.

Do you take toast, too?

The local theater does not allow toast.

Oh, bummer. It's not fun if you can't throw toast at the screen.

119 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:56:18pm
120 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:56:20pm

re: #117 hous bin pharteen

re: #89 Ward Cleaver

I love Guillermo!

I am gonna have to look that one up and watch it!

He was wearing sunglasses and long feathered earrings, too.

121 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:56:36pm
Rocky Horror night

"EFF!"

You see...

"KAY!"

122 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:56:41pm

I read the article by Paul Belien that you linked to Charles and I cannot see anything racist in the article, in fact I find it well written, well linked and informative on the fight for survival for freedom in Belgium. If others have linked to the article for their purposes, I am sure that has been done to you numerous times.

What is this all about? You have been writing about this for several days. Are we demanding a purity from the Belgians in fighting Islamo-facism that we will never achieve here either? Why are we (you) seeming so ready to label a major political movement racist that is probably the only and last hope for the Belgians? Can you do a thumbnail sketch of all of this, sort of summarize the players, the dangers you see, and maybe some alternatives, or what you would hope to see in their fight for freedom?

123 nolocon  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:57:37pm

re: #107 the_flying_pig

People should not forget about the Muslim-Nazi connections in the past.
It would seem that the Neo-Nazis are not aware of that in spite of opposing the Islamist jihadists in Europe and elsewhere. They're on the same team!

Fascists killed Jews.
Muslims allied with Fascists.
Stalinists armed Muslims against Jews.

ergo ... a Stalinazi is DOUBLE against Jews.

124 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:57:38pm

re: #110 wahabicorridor

One of the oddest things. Don't know if any of you read the BJ thread 'Schroedinger's Cat....". Toward the very end, the writer trots out '80 years of scientific studies showing mean differences across racial groups' - paraphrased as well as memory permits. Basically, whites are the smart ones, the rest are intellectually inferior.

I was going to write a post there asking of anyone thought Belgians born w/Down's syndrom should be excluded from citizenship - even residency perhaps.

To allocate various levels of human dignity according to some social classification ultimately demeans your own. And Belien has just proved it.

That post also expresses admiration for the British National Party.

125 Piglet-U93  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:57:49pm

re: #35 rappmandu

(Reposted from yesterday)

To paraphrase Dr. Henry Jones in Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade:

"Goose-stepping morons like yourself should try reading blogs instead of burningburying them!"

An information technological corrrection.

126 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:57:53pm
128 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:58:57pm

Everything I needed to know about bj and belien I learned the other night when Charles linked to an article where they ripped Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Why did they rip Ayaan? Because she wouldn't tolerate sexism and homophobia. The logic used to accomplish this "smear" was about as inverted as it could be- she was intolerant for not tolerating repugnant mindsets. Well- I also don't tolerate sexism and homophobia, so I guess I'm in good company.

129 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:59:04pm

re: #118 Ward Cleaver

re: #112 The Other Les

re: #103 Ward Cleaver


re: #96 The Other Les


re: #87 vapig


#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.


Sounds redundant


I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.


Do you take toast, too?


The local theater does not allow toast.

Oh, bummer. It's not fun if you can't throw toast at the screen.

I do bring toilet paper, but the theater security will throw out anyone who throws it forward of the second row of seats.

130 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:59:13pm

re: #122 jehu

I read the article by Paul Belien that you linked to Charles and I cannot see anything racist in the article, in fact I find it well written, well linked and informative on the fight for survival for freedom in Belgium. If others have linked to the article for their purposes, I am sure that has been done to you numerous times.

What is this all about? You have been writing about this for several days. Are we demanding a purity from the Belgians in fighting Islamo-facism that we will never achieve here either? Why are we (you) seeming so ready to label a major political movement racist that is probably the only and last hope for the Belgians? Can you do a thumbnail sketch of all of this, sort of summarize the players, the dangers you see, and maybe some alternatives, or what you would hope to see in their fight for freedom?


jeebus on a pogo stick. Are you really that stupid or do you just need the practice. Been under a rock in some other solar system? This has been going on for 2 weeks.

ploooooooooooooooome!

131 usmc1968  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:59:42pm

93 storagemanager

I don't like the term "BOUNTYHUNTER" does this SOB think he's better than someone else?

Just an A/H making money for being a ASSHOLE!

132 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:59:49pm

re: #119 ploome hineni
He also said...I told your brother's break up with their African American girlfriend's too...and they did.

133 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 2:59:57pm

re: #119 ploome hineni

re: #97 Ward Cleaver


re: #88 usmc1968

re: #81 storagemanager
What did he say?

He called his daughter's boyfriend a n****r, said he uses the word sometimes, and didn't want to be embarrassed over it.

big deal

tell DOG to go into REHAB...get Mel Gibson to support him

he shoudda dissed da Jews..

/and get a new hair stylist! Dog your hair color is not flattering..

sad...old man hair nest...you gotta know when to let it go.

134 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:00:35pm
135 Piglet-U93  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:01:14pm

re: #107 the_flying_pig

People should not forget about the Muslim-Nazi connections in the past.

It would seem that the Neo-Nazis are not aware of that in spite of opposing the Islamist jihadists in Europe and elsewhere. They're on the same team!

As I have stated previously the political spectrum is NOT linear it is circular. In this case left meets right with the inevitable cleansing purge further down the road. For the ignorant, history recycles endlessly.

136 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:01:16pm
137 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:01:27pm

OK, but what is the purpose of the "faggots kissing" picture? Did he put it there for pure shock value or just to insult LGFers?

138 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:01:56pm
139 The Other Les  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:01:58pm

re: #108 zombie

Totally, OT, but there's nowhere else to post it:

New zombietime report just unveiled:

San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

When you want to take a break from Euro-politics, you're really gonna like this one.

Behold! The willing servants of the Enemies of Mankind!

Pardon me. I'm going to puke now.

140 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:02:00pm

re: #124 Charles

That post also expresses admiration for the British National Party.

I caught that. What I found most telling about that reference is that there seemed to be no sense on the writer's part just how damning a reference it was.

This is one of the reasons I say Americans have a much better chance of understanding Europeans that Europeans will ever have understanding us.

141 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:02:21pm

re: #124 Charles

re: #110 wahabicorridor


One of the oddest things. Don't know if any of you read the BJ thread 'Schroedinger's Cat....". Toward the very end, the writer trots out '80 years of scientific studies showing mean differences across racial groups' - paraphrased as well as memory permits. Basically, whites are the smart ones, the rest are intellectually inferior.

I was going to write a post there asking of anyone thought Belgians born w/Down's syndrom should be excluded from citizenship - even residency perhaps.

To allocate various levels of human dignity according to some social classification ultimately demeans your own. And Belien has just proved it.


That post also expresses admiration for the British National Party.

Wow, can you say eugenics? Scary.

142 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:02:29pm
143 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:00pm

Dammit!

Planet!

Vlammit!

144 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:01pm

re: #61 SpringheelJack

Internet Flame Wars rarely never accomplish anything useful.

Fixed it for you...

145 toomanysnax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:24pm

re: #108 zombie

Must have been an off day. I couldn't find any old, cold udders.

146 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:25pm

re: #108 zombie

Totally, OT, but there's nowhere else to post it:

New zombietime report just unveiled:

San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

When you want to take a break from Euro-politics, you're really gonna like this one.

The "Passive/Aggressive" page is priceless.
Great work as usual, Zombie!

147 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:34pm

re: #108 zombie

Totally, OT, but there's nowhere else to post it:

New zombietime report just unveiled:

San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

When you want to take a break from Euro-politics, you're really gonna like this one.


Yay for the awesomeness of zombie!

148 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:03:50pm
149 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:04:02pm

whabicorridor 130

Is your name Charles? You can also point out to me anything specifically racist in the Belien post, perhaps you are far more sensitive to racial slurs than me and somehow picked it up?

150 Yank in the EU  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:04:02pm

re: #110 wahabicorridor

You're totally, right, Wahabi.

That article endorsed the BNP as well. What's mind-blowing to me is how that site can possibly be defended after many things like that. If people say LGF is making a mistake in this, I have to say to them: what planet are you from? Are you paying attention at all?

Further, let's hear their thoughts on racial nationalism, which is the core of the matter in all of this. I notice some people defending that and it's sad.

151 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:04:11pm

re: #81 storagemanager

re: #78 usmc1968


58 storagemanager

Speech police again!


What Dog said was vile...he should be fired.

his salary will double....probably release a cd and do a movie

152 BeerDrinking_VictoryMonkey  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:04:46pm

'Night Lizards!

153 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:10pm

re: #138 ploome hineni

re: #132 storagemanager

well

what would your mother say?

/I was not allowed to date Christians...not that I listened

my Anglo/Irish boyfriends' mother was not too happy he was dating a Jewgirl


My great Nephew...is half Black....I do not find his remarks amusing.....

154 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:15pm

re: #137 father_of_10

OK, but what is the purpose of the "faggots kissing" picture? Did he put it there for pure shock value or just to insult LGFers?


see my #46

155 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:33pm
156 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:52pm
157 Render  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:52pm

re: #107 the_flying_pig

They, (Dukes international nazi's), are on both teams.

Here in the US, they oppose the war, Zionists, and anything to do with Jews.

In Europe, they find themselves in a more desperate situation, so they make alliances with any organization that will support them. Including going so far as to hold their noses while shaking hands with American Jews and anti-jihadists.

Nothing in VB's perfect white, Christian credo makes room for the remaining Jews of Europe. As at least of the VB supporters commenting here pointed out, the Jews of Europe have someplace "safe" to go. The Jews of Europe are just further down the list of VB's undesirables.

PROMISED
LAND,
R

158 Le_Patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:54pm

re: #108 zombie

Totally, OT, but there's nowhere else to post it:

New zombietime report just unveiled:

San Francisco Anti-War Rally, October 27, 2007

When you want to take a break from Euro-politics, you're really gonna like this one.

___________________________________
Thanks, Zombie.
The "Free to be me" whack-job is probably a Ron Paul guy.

159 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:05:55pm

re: #76 jeppo

The fact remains that the Vlaams Belang remains the largest single party in Flanders.

Wow...I'm impressed. Vlaams Belang, a party which supports racial purity in a region (not even a country) that is no larger than a small ranch in Texas.

If Vlaams Belang were ever to succeed in creating an ethnically homogeneous Flanders, such a small population would end up a bunch of cock-eyed inbreds in a few generations anyhow...and it appears as if Vlaams Belang's members already have a head start.

160 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:06:18pm
161 CyanSnowHawk  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:06:28pm

re: #38 buzzsawmonkey

I've never, to my knowledge, heard of Richard Marx.

I had never heard of him either, until I called a radio station in Amarillo TX late one night and accidentally won one of his albums.

162 gop_patriot  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:06:35pm

re: #137 father_of_10

OK, but what is the purpose of the "faggots kissing" picture? Did he put it there for pure shock value or just to insult LGFers?

See #49 for Charles' response to that question!

163 Yank in the EU  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:06:54pm

#150 oops, no comma

164 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:04pm

re: #148 ploome hineni

re: #137 father_of_10

OK, but what is the purpose of the "faggots kissing" picture? Did he put it there for pure shock value or just to insult LGFers?

to turn us all on for the FRIDAY NIGHT DRINKING THREAD

/wassamatta you don;t find that kiss HOT?

////gak,feh, puke

Believe it or not, I've never been drunk. . . . but if some guy dressed like that planted smooch on my lips it would take at least 90 proof hooch to sanitize my mouth. Yeecchhhh!

165 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:06pm

re: #128 Sharmuta

where they ripped Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Oh, my.

That does it for me, too.

Belian isn't fit to clean Ayaan's shoes.

166 Ward Cleaver  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:17pm

re: #151 albusteve

re: #81 storagemanager


re: #78 usmc1968

58 storagemanager
Speech police again!

What Dog said was vile...he should be fired.

his salary will double....probably release a cd and do a movie

I really don't think anybody wants to hear him sing.

/noooooooo!

167 Attaboid  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:19pm

Don't these people know the actual meaning of words?

/sheesh

168 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:39pm

re: #156 ploome hineni

re: #153 storagemanager

get over it

You are not in charge of my thinking.

169 Brett_McS  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:07:44pm

It's a shame to see conservatives buying into the whole Thought Crime thing. I'm tallking about LGF as well, here.

170 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:08:32pm
171 Ringo the Gringo  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:08:39pm

re: #169 Brett_McS

It's a shame to see conservatives buying into the whole Thought Crime thing. I'm tallking about LGF as well, here.

Do explain.

172 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:08:43pm

It must really stick in their lily-white, pure-bred craws
That they've been outted by a bunch of mutts.

173 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:08:47pm
And, in the process, the Vlaams Blok will bury mass immigration too.

I thought that line was rather sinister.


From my readings of Vdare there might be White Nationalists who contribute articles but there are other articles which are clearly not written by White Nationalists of for them.

It would be wrong to smear Vdare as WN. Malkin's just one example why not.

Vdare contributers represent a hodgepodge of conservatives who know something about the science of human genetics - be they African, European, Asian - in a society where liberalsdemonise discussion of race.

Since White Nationalists are interested in race they're likely to be interested in this site more than liberals. But Vdare is not hardcore or extremist, unless you consider Youtube hardcore and extremist, which you might.

Much better to read, learn and form your own opinion. Properly considered race doesn't mean discrimination but opportunity.

174 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:09:21pm

re: #150 Yank in the EU

They're too busy ripping Charles and his "echo chamber" to get to the heart of the matter. And for them to get to the heart of the matter- well... I think it leads to them having to take a long look at themselves. That's not normally something people want to do as individuals, much less as a collective. It's easier to deny and project your issues onto others- and that's what I'm seeing from the bj right now.

175 vapig  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:09:28pm
#96 The Other Les 11/02/07 2:48:52 pm reply quote report 0

re: #87 vapig

#73 Ward Cleaver 11/02/07 2:43:07 pm reply quote report 0 So now we're Stalinazis? How special.
Sounds redundant

I save my Nazi salutes for Rocky Horror night.

Very apropos considering the photo of the bondage boys....

176 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:09:45pm
re: #156 ploome hineni

re: #153 storagemanager

get over it

This is a tread about a bunce of racist...like dog...get a clue.

177 Pawn of the Oppressor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:10:05pm

re: #102 Render

Duke and his minions have spent years trying to obtain mainstream acceptability and legitimacy, both in the US and in Europe.

We just exposed the crown jewel (VB) of his European efforts for what it is. DeWinter has been carefully groomed since he was a teenager for this leadership role.

Of course they're pissed. When they're done with the insults, they will then turn to threats.

M.O.,
R

Lovely. (and interesting)

Neo-Nazis have as long a reach as the Jihadists do, too, if not longer (depending on what angle you view it from - legal, political, thug violence, etc.) I'm sure Charles is used to death threats but I hope precautions have been taken.

178 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:10:12pm

re: #167 Attaboid

Don't these people know the actual meaning of words?

/sheesh


And you have just stumbled on one the most important issues in Western civilization - the corruption of language for political purposes. Yes, they understand the meanings of words. And they alter those meanings quite deliberately - if ever so subtley.

George Orwell was a fookin' genius.

179 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:10:18pm

re: #122 jehu

Vdare is an openly racist site, named after the first white child born in America. He continues to contribute to the site. The article was linked to approvingly from the holocaust deniers at the Institute for Historical Review. The article is about the "ProWhite" vlaams party. All the players in this story share the same racist ideology.

180 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:10:26pm
181 GregInSeattle  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:10:53pm

I for one love Blacks, Browns, Whites, Greens, Purples, etc., etc.

What I DON'T LOVE are idealologies that seek to deprive me of my God-given freedoms.

182 Yank in the EU  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:11:32pm

re: #174 Sharmuta

Someone said the other day: 'when you find yourself sounding exactly like David Duke on nationalism and white folks, it's time to take a moral inventory'.

183 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:11:34pm

re: #180 ploome hineni

re: #168 storagemanager


re: #156 ploome hineni

re: #153 storagemanager
get over it

You are not in charge of my thinking.

of course not, but you getting offended because of your botherinlaws, sisters, uncles nephew is silly

/whatever


I do not like a racist....of any kind...sorry...you seem to dismiss them.

184 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:12:07pm
185 ostar  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:12:49pm

Charles, you've clearly made your point in earlier articles. Why keep responding ? Just let it go. You don't have to defend yourself from these types of attacks, and it only prolongs this.
The Islamofascists/Islamists/whatevertheyarecalled are probably laughing at this anyway. "Even those who fight against us are so weak and divided they take every chance to fight amongst themselves!"

186 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:13:07pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

Vdare is an openly racist site, named after the first white child born in America.

Virginia Dare, correct? Who disappeared along with Roanoke. May the neo-Nazis also dry up and blow away.

187 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:13:59pm

re: #157 Render

re: #107 the_flying_pig
In Europe, they find themselves in a more desperate situation, so they make alliances with any organization that will support them. Including going so far as to hold their noses while shaking hands with American Jews and anti-jihadists.

Desprate for power, that is. All the more reason not to trust them.

188 Pygmalienation  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:14:02pm

Wow, the last week has sure witnessed the proverbial "separating the sheep from the goats". I'm personally saddened by the rift in the anti-jihad ranks, but this shake out HAD to happen and better now than later. I'm sure the Jihadists and they're enablers are gleeful, but hopefully they'll get over that...
Thank you so very much Charles for the heavy lifting your doing here and standing by your principles in the face of such vilification. And thanks to ALL you major lizards who have waded into the muck on behalf of getting to the truth in these matters.
Also, congrats to BabbaZee for her promotion to Lizardoid Operative--nice work!

189 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:14:10pm

re: #166 Ward Cleaver

re: #151 albusteve


re: #81 storagemanager

re: #78 usmc1968

58 storagemanager
Speech police again!

What Dog said was vile...he should be fired.

his salary will double....probably release a cd and do a movie

I really don't think anybody wants to hear him sing.

/noooooooo!

well someone put up a Richard Marx link...could it be any worse?

190 Render  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:14:40pm

re: #185 ostar

The more exposure this gets, the more people who know.

THE LIGHTS
ARE ON,
R

191 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:14:47pm

Any of the posters that have been following this dust-up give me a summary please. To me just looking at a few posts it seems that LGF et. al., while bemoaning the Islamization of Europe for several years now, are finding a political party that has the guts to fight not pure enough to take on the Islamofacists.

It reminds me of the Clinton Admin banning the CIA from using people that had criminal backgrounds to do intelligence gathering and we lost all humint capabilities because we went looking for Boy Scouts in a scummy world. Now is this Blaams party doing something so terrible that they cannot be supported, if so, what is that? At some point this fight against Islam will break on racial, religious, and national boundaries, how can it not?

192 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:14:58pm
193 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:15:15pm

Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.

194 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:15:16pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

re: #122 jehu

Vdare is an openly racist site, named after the first white child born in America. He continues to contribute to the site. The article was linked to approvingly from the holocaust deniers at the Institute for Historical Review. The article is about the "ProWhite" vlaams party. All the players in this story share the same racist ideology.

You're wrong. I've read a number of articles. You're 100% wrong. You'd also be 100% right that Vdare carries some dodgy articles but I know of nowhere else where genetic research and subject of race is discussed in relation to social policy.

That's an important issue that SHOULD NOT BE LEFT TO white nationalists. Genetic discoveries into many areas of human behaviour are snowballing. Don't let the White Nationalists get ahead of the curve on this one.

195 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:15:22pm

re: #169 Brett_McS

It's a shame to see conservatives buying into the whole Thought Crime thing. I'm tallking about LGF as well, here.

please elaborate

196 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:16:02pm

re: #192 ploome hineni

re: #183 storagemanager

at least 2 of his children were dating black women, obvioulsy DOG did not raise his children to be racist

DOGs' language about blacks, is a function of his social environment and education

DOG lives , how do you say, among people of the street, thats their language

now

I don;t care to discuss this anymore


He made them break up...watch the video.

197 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:16:11pm

re: #158 Le_Patriot

The "Free to be me" whack-job

"Whack-job" has taken on a whole new, awful meaning, with regard to zombie's SanFran pictorial spreads.

198 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:17:05pm
199 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:17:19pm

re: #191 jehu
will you fight with Neo-Nazi's?....and be judged some day?

200 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:17:39pm

re: #191 jehu

Charles decided he doesn't want to be associated with certain groups. That is his perogative, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

The End.

201 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:18:08pm

re: #170 ploome hineni

black in french is noire

negre is also black in French I think, maybe Spanish

people who spoke pidgin English or creole changed many words

Black in spanish is 'negro,' where we get the term 'negroes.' The N-word is I believe derived from a corruption of creole language, I think the word was 'niger' with the 'g' making a more french 'j' sound.

202 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:18:22pm

re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 storagemanager


Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.

I will wait to see the Catholic church and Catholics defend Dog


Why would they?...

203 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:19:04pm

re: #165 Occasional Reader

Here's where Charles linked to the article- so you can read it yourself. Personally- I think if one is opposed to islamofascism, you'd have to be half out of your mind to attack Ayaan. They bemoan cries of racism when discussing islam, yet alienate one of the few voices in Europe where that claim could not stick. That is the height of stupidity, and I personally find it speaking volumes about their agenda.

204 re  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:19:16pm

stalin and hitler - their ideologies and methodologies - were more related than disparate.

after their p[act fell apart, stalin became our ally ONLY out of mutual necessity.

ideologically and methodologically stalin and hitler's conflict with each other was INTERNECINE. not unlike stalin versus trotsky, but necessarily fought on a much wider scale.

THEREFORE CHARLES... it is not weird or illogical or misinformed to call someone BOTH a stalinist and a nazi.

nazi stood for national SOCIALIST workers party abd hiutler was a socialist as was stalin and mussolini..

ALL WERE STATISTS.

all of the left. (hitler and mussolini were nationalists and racists; stalin an internationalist and marxist; marxism is a subset of socialism).

THE BIGGEST BIG LIE EVER TOLD BY STATIST TOTALITARIAN LOVERS AND EVER BELIEVED BY THE MASSES WAS THIS:

THAT COMMUNISM WAS LEFT AND NAZISM/FASCISM RIGHT.

this is PURE LEFTIST PROPAGANDA - designed to distance them from Hitler after the pact fell apart.

In that traditional spectrum there is no logical place for ANARCHISM.

PROOF IT IS BUNK.

in an accurate model or spectrum, all statist tyrannies are onn the left, and anarchism on the right, and mized systems (ranging from ours to let's say scandinavia's) in the middle - us on middle-right, and scandinvaia's on middle-left.

I AM NOT SAYING BELIEN WAS RIGHT TO CALL YOU BOTH A STALINIST AND A NAZI.

BUT HE IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING CONTRADITORY WHEN HE BUINDLES THE TWO.

all the best.

(kiss and make up!)

205 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:19:20pm

re: #186 Occasional Reader

Yup.

206 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:19:34pm
207 oilbertan  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:20:44pm

Charles, this guy needs to take some basic reading and comprehension lessons if he cannot understand that you were referring to comments posted by others at his site. Speaking of rude comments, you should check out Mark Steyn's Mailbox at his site. Numerous vile and profanity laced remarks from so called progressives regarding Steyn's comments on the Frost family re the SCHIP issue. I never see those kind of comments from Lizards and if someone is that rank their comments are deleted post haste. Personally, I take the opprobrium of asshats like this as a positive. You know they have no argument when they hurl expletives and make no attempt to debate with facts.

208 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:20:58pm

I think the passage below is why we AMERICANS aren't warming to the whole "White Europe" policy - this European movement goes against our grain as to what a Free society is all about. I read these words and it is driven home that our European brothers, who fuss about exposing Vlaams Blok, are way off the mark. If they kept "RACE" out of the argument, they'd get much more support. But they just can't ... that's very sad.

"In the first place we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the man's becoming in very fact an American, and nothing but an American ... There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag, and this excludes the red flag, which symbolizes all wars against liberty and civilization, just as much as it excludes any foreign flag of a nation to which we are hostile...We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language...and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."

Theodore Roosevelt

209 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:21:11pm

some here...dismiss one kind of racist remark...and blow a gasket over another one...very telling....we should against all kinds of racist...after all Islam is the king.

210 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:21:27pm
211 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:21:34pm

re: #191 jehu


It started here.

Do an advanced search of LGF Entries from October 23 thru day using the search term "Vlaams Belang'. You'll see the rest of the threads.

212 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:22:14pm

..........Speaking of Sado-masochist gear.
Maybe Victoria Secret should do an SM catalog.

213 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:22:38pm

re: #191 jehu You need to watch the video BabbaZee posted

214 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:22:40pm

re: #206 jeppo

In the June 2007 Belgian elections, the VB garnered 800, 000 votes. This out of a total Flemish population of only 6 million. Extrapolated to America, the VB would receive 40 million votes. 40,000,000 votes! Don't like the VB? Tough bananas. They're here to stay and they're only going to get stronger.

Better to align ourselves with these conservative nationalists like the majority of the counterjihadi community in Europe and North America, than remain isolated and become increasingly marginalized in the overall debate.

whats it worth to survive if you compromise your principles?...I'd far rather be isolated and marginalized...and even dead if thats how it turns

215 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:22:47pm

re: #200 rappmandu

re: #191 jehu

Charles decided he doesn't want to be associated with certain groups. That is his perogative, regardless of what anyone else thinks.

The End.


Sometimes you DO have to hold your nose and take what allies you can get, however sleazy they are. This, however, is not one of those times. In an idealogical war, ideologies matter...You can't let every creepy fringe group jump on the bandwagon in an attempt to stop the spread of evil. You may delay it for a while, but sooner or later, there will be chaos.

216 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:23:27pm

re: #191 jehu

Now is this Blaams party doing something so terrible that they cannot be supported, if so, what is that?

Take a look at the front page of lgf over the past week. The are White Supremacists and Nazi sympathizers. Charles has linked to a mountain of evidence over the past week.

217 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:23:43pm

Kilgore Trout 179

Thanks, I no longer have time to follow much anymore. It distresses me that Europe is apparently dying and the only cure they can find for the cancer of Islam is the slower cancer of racism? Is it the opinion of the independent thinkers here that Paul Belien is a closet racist? Or political opportunist, or some mix? I get the sense that he is posting on openly neo-nazi sites, or white supremacist sites, or anti-semitic sites, is that the gist of it? And is Belien the leader of the Blaams Whatever party?

218 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:23:47pm

re: #191 jehu

It's about aligning ourselves w/people who have a long history of w/s leanings.whos major problem w/ islamic facsism is based on xenophobia/race hatred,as opposed to the forcing of islamic ideals/violence upon their society.
(can someone more literate than i pick this up?0

219 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:24:09pm

re: #206 jeppo

In the June 2007 Belgian elections, the VB garnered 800, 000 votes. This out of a total Flemish population of only 6 million. Extrapolated to America, the VB would receive 40 million votes. 40,000,000 votes! Don't like the VB? Tough bananas. They're here to stay and they're only going to get stronger.

Better to align ourselves with these conservative nationalists like the majority of the counterjihadi community in Europe and North America, than remain isolated and become increasingly marginalized in the overall debate.


You can't 'extrapolate' votes...

Also, I like my country Nazi free, thank you very much.

220 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:25:28pm
221 saberry0530  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:25:50pm

Lizoids,
Please keep in mind that everything that comes from Europe, well, comes from EUROPE. Take it with a railroad car full of salt. How many times have we (THE USA) saved their collective lovin' asses from themselves? Always been easy prey for the alternative view point and an enigmatic speaker all the whilst echoing how superior intellectually they are. Most things are Black and white. Makes it easier for the average Joe (like me) to understand and implement. Just adding my 5 cents worth.

222 Yank in the EU  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:26:40pm

re: #208 LSD

That's a great quote. As a white guy, I believe that down to the bottom of my soul and will always fight for that. There can be no accomodation of people defending a racial nationalist ideology. It is also anathema to the Christian faith, for people are reduced to biological traits as if they had no unconditional value. The WN crowd may speak freely, as far as I am concerned, but they must enter into no alliances with us.

223 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:27:01pm

re: #220 ploome hineni

re: #202 storagemanager


re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 storagemanager

Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.

I will wait to see the Catholic church and Catholics defend Dog

Why would they?...

why would and why DID they defend Mel Gibson?

YOU said hate was hate


#193 storagemanager

Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.


so if the CHURCH could defend that POS, surely they will defend DOG


Maybe because he is building a muti-million dollar church?

224 nolocon  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:27:32pm

re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 storagemanager

Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.

I will wait to see the Catholic church and Catholics defend Dog

Yikes. Who would've figured a Dog thread takes a sharp turn into a Bigotry Against Catholics theme?

BTW ... Mel Gibson spews some garbage while stumbling drunk, and later spends months apologizing repeatedly and profusely.
I suspect that people still beating that story have a lot more baggage in their agenda than his drunken tirade.

225 father_of_10  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:27:41pm

Wait, according to the new thought police, all white people are racist because they are white and it is impossible for blacks to be racists because they are black. So does that mean that Michele Malkin is not a racist or what? She apparently is neither white nor black. I guess the thought police haven't thought that far out yet.

What about Bill Cosby and other black leaders that have commented about the failings of people of color? Are they racist? Of course they can't be, so they are ignored.

This white supremest crap is getting as old as 1970's black power was. The more attention we pay to this stuff, the more racist the world becomes.

Now Dog is in trouble because he was talking like . . . Dog? What else do we expect from him? Look at him. Do we expect him to not act the part he plays? What part of "Reality TV" don't we understand?

226 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:27:54pm

Gee, for such a self-assured, growing, unstoppable movement, they sure seem awful rattled by a bunch of scruffy no-names saying, "No, thanks."

Heh.

227 neocon hippie  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:28:11pm

re: #179 Killgore Trout

re: #122 jehu

Vdare is an openly racist site, named after the first white child born in America. He continues to contribute to the site. The article was linked to approvingly from the holocaust deniers at the Institute for Historical Review. The article is about the "ProWhite" vlaams party. All the players in this story share the same racist ideology.

I read the article, and while I am no fan of VB, I did not see the word "white" once in the article.

228 zuckerlilly  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:28:34pm

for the record (the more I dig the more it gets worst):

Flemish nazi checks in to Valhalla
From correspondents in The Netherlands and Belgium
Searchlight, November 2005

Nazi veteran and former leader of the Flemish paramilitary Vlaamse Militanten Orde (VMO) Bert Eriksson died, aged 73, of a lung disease, at the beginning of October in the Dutch village of Westdorpe, near the Belgian border.

Eriksson was active in the 1970s, 1980s and 1990s. The VMO was banned in 1984 under laws banning private militias and Eriksson was jailed for a year. After being outlawed, many VMO members flocked into the "respectable" Vlaams Blok (VB, some of them even making a career as federal or Flemish MPs. Eriksson's Antwerp cafe, 'Den Odal', also the name of his new group, remained a magnet for nazis from across the whole of Europe. The VMO, created in the 1950s by the remains of the Flemish nationalist movement, was taken over by Eriksson in the early 1970s. This criminal gang served as the (unofficial) "security service" of the VB during its early years. The VMO's support played a key role in the survival of the – then marginal – VB during its early years. Eriksson was a personal friend of most of the VB's "celebrities" and was honoured more than once in the VB media as a Flemish "hero and idealist".

The former VMO boss, son of a Finnish father and a Flemish mother, was a nazi to the marrow. Living in Antwerp, he joined the Hitler Youth at the age of thirteen and never hid his adoration for Hitler. "The only thing Hitler did wrong was losing the war" and "Yes, I'm a nazi, anything wrong with that?" were his favourite statements.

------

VMO

Anti-Semitic history

A co-founder of the extreme-right Vlaams Blok party (now called Vlaams Belang), in the Flemish-speaking part of Belgium, Verbeke has run for more than 25 years the Antwerp-based Free Historical Research organisation, active in spreading books and leaflets negating the Holocaust.

Prior to this, he led a paramilitary neo-nazi organization, called “Vlaamse Militanten Orde” (for “Flemish Militant Order”)
Convicted in Belgium in 2003, together with his brother Herbert, by an Antwerp court for Holocaust denial and racism, an appeal court toughened a previous sentence and condemned Verbeke to one year imprisonment. His civil and political rights were withdrawn for a 1O-year period.

-----------

(this was already posted)

Perusal of the Vlaams Blok Magazine, the party's official monthly
publication, reveals its true political character. In 1998, the magazine
published an article favorable to Terre et Peuple (Land and People, an anti-Semitic Germano-French racist association and co-founder of Bruno Mégret's FN--Mouvement national). The article bore the signature of Roeland Raes, vice-president of the VB. Since the 1960s, Raes has been involved in collaboration between Flemish and foreign neo-fascist movements. Also in 1998, the VB monthly published an interview with Jean-Robert Debbaudt, an old member of the Wallonia SS who was one of the Belgian contacts of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP); he also put out a revisionist pamphlet on World War II, written by Léon Degrelle, and subsequently joined the VB. Later in the year Raes paid tribute to the Vlaamse Militanten Orde (VMO), the largest neo-Nazi and revisionist paramilitary group of the 1970s. Karel Dillen, the honorary president, wrote an obituary honoring the French fascist writer Maurice Bardèche, who died in Paris in August. Dillen had translated into Dutch Bardèche's 1947 work Nuremberg ou la terre promise, the first revisionist book ever published.

(continued)

229 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:28:49pm

re: #195 Boondock St. Bender


26 posts in a year.
I have been noticing that many coming out chastising Charles for his stance and supporting VB have been pretty quiet on thousands of other issues that have been discussed here.
Take that for what its worth.


/I am not saying you have to be a regular poster to comment on anything, I just find that interesting.

230 unclassifiable  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:29:07pm

re: #108 zombie

I am still amazed at you retaining your anonimity while wearing one of these.

/is that you in the background getting hosed off after the march?

231 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:29:07pm
232 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:29:10pm

re: #61 SpringheelJack

Are you inferring that Charles started this? He did not. Atlas did, and Charles has every right to defend himself. He was right from his first comment. Then fjordman, Gates of Vienna, and others who should know better joined in with her.

She came here and relentlessly attacked for a few days, and fjordman was [deleted].

If you were the top level blogger, and this was done to you ,would you sit there and take it? I sincerely doubt it. Other blogs have lost respect and veracity in this, but Charles has come out earning even more respect. I cannot believe that the sniping at Charles and LGF continues.

That Charles is in the position of defending himself in the first place is ludicrous, but it seems that the more evidence he finds only makes the attacks more vicious. Some bloggers just cannot admit they are wrong, as we have seen.

Any of us can only hope that we bring our kids to be as honorable as Charles.

He is the good guy in this, as usual.

233 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:29:46pm
234 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:30:23pm

An interesting outcome at a "ws site" doing a bnp search..
Note, this is dumpster diving....ewwwwwwwwww

[Link: www.newsnet14.com...]

235 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:30:51pm

re: #217 jehu

Is it the opinion of the independent thinkers here that Paul Belien is a closet racist?


He's actually fairly open about it:

Moreover, why do American politicians across the board, including Republicans and senior members of the Bush administration, cooperate with La Raza, meaning “the race,” a Mexican group Charles Johnson himself calls a Hispanic supremacist group? Why is this considered OK, while native Europeans who simply don’t want to become a minority in their own countries are demons?

He wants nonwhites out of Europe.

And is Belien the leader of the Blaams Whatever party?

No, was one of the bloggers who organized the Anti-Islam conference last month. He's also married to a Vlaams representative. So he has a vested interest in seeing that Vlaams gain legitamacy in the US. They're basically using the anti-Jihad movement to gain credibility.

236 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:31:20pm

I propose revisiting this issue in the future...

Say, after the last American who ever met a WWII vet has passed away?

237 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:32:03pm

re: #236 rappmandu

I propose revisiting this issue in the future...

Say, after the last American who ever met a WWII vet has passed away?


My father was one.

238 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:32:19pm

199 Storagemanager

will you fight with Neo-Nazi's?....and be judged some day?

I seem to remember we won WWII because someone made the decision to fight with Russia's Stalin, responsible for murdering far more than Hitler, in order to defeat what was perceived as the greater threat in Nazi Germany. When it comes to a fight for survival, I will fight with lesser devils to defeat greater devils and hopefully have enough energy left after the fight to put the knife in the gut of the lesser evil. Patton and Churchill thought thus, and I think they were right. This demand for idealogical purity in this fight makes me uneasy in a way I cannot explain. But to me Islamofacism is so evil all others seem small, maybe that is just a problem with my personal perception.

239 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:32:19pm

re: #224 nolocon

re: #198 ploome hineni


re: #193 storagemanager

Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.

I will wait to see the Catholic church and Catholics defend Dog

Yikes. Who would've figured a Dog thread takes a sharp turn into a Bigotry Against Catholics theme?

BTW ... Mel Gibson spews some garbage while stumbling drunk, and later spends months apologizing repeatedly and profusely.
I suspect that people still beating that story have a lot more baggage in their agenda than his drunken tirade.


This also begs the question, who gives a damn what either Dog OR mel Gibson say...Certainly not me.

If we ignore them, they usually go away...

240 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:33:10pm

re: #232 NY Nana

Are you inferringimplying

(sorry, Nana... pet peeve!)

241 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:33:15pm

re: #206 jeppo

Better to align ourselves with these conservative nationalists like the majority of the counterjihadi community in Europe and North America, than remain isolated and become increasingly marginalized in the overall debate.

If we don't stand for our principles, then who will? Advocating the abandonment of another's principles is, imo, morally wrong- at least in this case. If you're not going to stand on principle, why stand at all?

242 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:33:19pm

Charles -

So let’s look at Belien’s writing. Here’s an article by Paul Belien himself, published at the hard-core (some say extremist) anti-immigrant web site Vdare.com: VDARE.com: Anti-Immigration Party Banned In Belgium, by Paul Belien.

Hard-core... about what?

Extremist... about what?

You're throwing verbal grenades and they're landing at your feet.

I've read anti-semetic and White Nationalist articles there but I've also read articles by a wide variety of contributers who are definitely not anti-semetic or White Nationalist. They're not even white or European.

By attaching an emotional label to this site you inadvertantly shut down discussion on issues of race and society when we should be addressing this reality. Because if we don't they might, and they might get it wrong.

I also find it interesting you let the ADL tell you what to believe about Vdare

racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-immigrant articles authored by extremists

Ann Coulter has plausibly argued the ADL might as well be another leftist smear site since it fawns over Ahmadinejad while ignoring the threats to Israel.

You need to read up on some behavioural genetics for a reality check and come back. Science does not make one an extremist.

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244 nolocon  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:34:24pm

re: #231 ploome hineni

re: #224 nolocon


BTW ... Mel Gibson spews some garbage while stumbling drunk, and later spends months apologizing repeatedly and profusely.
I suspect that people still beating that story have a lot more baggage in their agenda than his drunken tirade.

yes

family in the death camps asshole


I express great sympathy for your family. You, on the other hand, are a hate-filled bigot with no manners.

245 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:34:55pm

re: #227 neocon hippie

No it's not mentioned but Vlaams Block was an openly racist party and was outlawed as such. The article was written by someone supportive of the Vlaams cause and was published on a White Pride site.

246 Occasional Reader  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:35:07pm

re: #235 Killgore Trout

He wants nonwhites out of Europe.


In all fairness... that particular quote doesn't necessarily support that description.

247 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:35:09pm

re: #238 jehu

199 Storagemanager

will you fight with Neo-Nazi's?....and be judged some day?

I seem to remember we won WWII because someone made the decision to fight with Russia's Stalin, responsible for murdering far more than Hitler, in order to defeat what was perceived as the greater threat in Nazi Germany. When it comes to a fight for survival, I will fight with lesser devils to defeat greater devils and hopefully have enough energy left after the fight to put the knife in the gut of the lesser evil. Patton and Churchill thought thus, and I think they were right. This demand for idealogical purity in this fight makes me uneasy in a way I cannot explain. But to me Islamofacism is so evil all others seem small, maybe that is just a problem with my personal perception.


A Nation did that....I am talking about you....I myself...will stand with no hate group.

248 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:36:03pm

re: #242 therewaslight

Science does not make one an extremist.

No, but selective editing and warping of scientific research can...

249 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:36:51pm

re: #206 jeppo

Better to align ourselves with these conservative nationalists like the majority of the counterjihadi community in Europe and North America, than remain isolated and become increasingly marginalized in the overall debate.

Your moral turpitude is showing again.

From Joachim Fest, the German historian:

As Fest makes clear, nobody in Berlin in 1940 was listening to radio call-in shows debating whether the invasions of France and Poland were morally acceptable.

Rather: One night, Fest overheard his mother asking his father, the Roman Catholic, Prussian nationalist, and friend of Jews, can't you join the Nazi Party? We won't really be changing, she said, and lying is how little people have always dealt with the powerful.

"We are not little people," Fest's father shot back. "Not on this subject!"

Others Will Betray You. Not I.

250 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:37:29pm

re: #248 NoSpam

re: #242 therewaslight

Science does not make one an extremist.

No, but selective editing and warping of scientific research can...

Publish your own article there then.

251 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:37:58pm

re: #241 Sharmuta

re: #206 jeppo


Better to align ourselves with these conservative nationalists like the majority of the counterjihadi community in Europe and North America, than remain isolated and become increasingly marginalized in the overall debate.

If we don't stand for our principles, then who will? Advocating the abandonment of another's principles is, imo, morally wrong- at least in this case. If you're not going to stand on principle, why stand at all?

agreed...you cant buy me off with an ideology I oppose...survival is over rated haha...

252 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:38:12pm

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

His son taped him: Lawyer: Chapman's son sold N-word tape .

253 EC Marm  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:38:15pm

re: #231 ploome hineni

family in the death camps asshole


I am sorry to see that.
However the population in Germany is approximately 50% Catholic and 50% a combination of Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc. Look at the writings of Martin Luther for the blueprint of what happened there. You know what religion he had it out for initially, don't you? And who he went after NEXT?

254 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:39:51pm

Wow, these Euro folks and their supporters sure seem afraid that their movement will fail without some LGF people joining their side.

Makes me wonder.

255 shiplord kirel  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:40:02pm
I propose revisiting this issue in the future...

Say, after the last American who ever met a WWII vet has passed away?

Yikes! That would be a looooong time. My grandmother, who is still alive today at age 103, met some veterans of the Mexican War (1846-48) when she was very young and there were many, many Civil War veterans around in those days.
I never met any Civil War vets but I did know some people who could remember it. Our next door neighbor in Colorado Springs in the 1950s, a Mrs. Rice, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and could remember seeing Abe Lincoln in person, specifically at his second inauguration.

256 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:40:04pm

re: #240 Occasional Reader

Well, excuuuuuuuuuuuuse me! ;)

257 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:40:38pm

re: #250 therewaslight

re: #248 NoSpam


re: #242 therewaslight

Science does not make one an extremist.

No, but selective editing and warping of scientific research can...

Publish your own article there then.


huh?

258 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:40:45pm

re: #246 Occasional Reader

Ok, Is it fair to say he wants to see less nonwhites in Europe? We can split hairs all day but his ideology is based on race.

259 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:41:15pm
260 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:41:24pm

re: #253 EC Marm

re: #231 ploome hineni


family in the death camps asshole

I am sorry to see that.
However the population in Germany is approximately 50% Catholic and 50% a combination of Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc. Look at the writings of Martin Luther for the blueprint of what happened there. You know what religion he had it out for initially, don't you? And who he went after NEXT?

I don't know where you got those stats, but the last time I checked, the German churches of whatever denomination were just about empty.

261 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:41:35pm

#225 The MEDIA is humping The DOG. Those who listen to THE WHOLE CONVERSATION will get a little different idea about Dog.

262 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:01pm

re: #238 jehu

Name one battlefeild where americans and soviets fought together side/side against the germans.(the term europe is a lil' too vague

263 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:01pm

re: #238 jehu

The idea that maybe those not not interested in supporting a non-white supremacist agenda should start their own party has been largely ignored.

Also, the idea that the Islamo-fascists would just LOVE for their enemies to do this seems to get ignored.
Much easier to discredit the entire anti-jihad movement.
But hell, people shoot themselves in the foot while pulling their gun out of their holster all the time.

264 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:07pm

re: #242 therewaslight

I've read anti-semetic and White Nationalist articles there...

And yet you think the 'extremist' label is unfair?

Let's see ... antisemitic and White Nationalist articles don't warrant the label 'extremist.' What sort of articles would need to be there for you to agree with that label?

265 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:10pm

re: #252 NY Nana

re: #97 Ward Cleaver

His son taped him: Lawyer: Chapman's son sold N-word tape .

its a great story if youre into celebs...Dog spews, son sells him off like some cheesy whore...I love it

266 zuckerlilly  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:11pm

While the VB is a legally-constituted party with three Euro-MPs and twenty-six seats in the Belgian parliament, it has, through Dewinter, built close links with violent neo-Nazi groups like Voorpost, a successor to the banned Vlaamse Militante Orde (VMO), whose members had a long record of bloody assaults on political opponents. Voorpost has provided "security" for the VB.

---------

The Vlaams Blok of Flanders has become one of the strongest extreme right parties in Europe. The most serious anti-Semitic incident in 1997 was the attempt to set fire to the Anderlecht synagogue in Brussels. The Belgian government appointed a commission to locate property confiscated from Jewish Holocaust victims. The Belgium-based European Foundation for Free Historical Research is one of the main distributors of Holocaust denial today.

The Belgium-based European Foundation for Free Historical Research (Vrij Historisch Onderzoek -- VHO), headed by Siegfried Verbeke, is one of the main distributors of Holocaust denial maerial in the world today (see previous reports). This is in spite of the fact that Belgium passed a law in 1995 making Holocaust denial illegal. VHO maintains strong links with individuals and organizations in several countries, such as Radio Islam in Sweden, the Committee for Open Debate on the Holocaust (CODOH) in California, and the Australian Adelaide Institute. VHO publishes, translates and disseminates Holocaust denial publications from all over the world, mainly through its widely-linked website on the Internet. Recently, Verbeke began propagating on his website the quarterly Vierteljahreshefte für freie Geschichtsforschung (Quarterly for Free Historical Research), a forum for Holocaust denial in German. He distributes books and pamphlets that are banned in Germany (see Germany). German Holocaust denier Germar Rudolf, who fled to Spain to avoid serving a prison sentence, is one of Verbeke's favorite authors. His publications, translated into several languages can be downloaded from the VHO-website.

Publications that present a forum for those who deny Nazi war guilt and the Holocaust, include Periodiek Contact, issued by Hertog jan van Brabant (HJVB), a group of former SS-collaborators with close links to the VHO, Forum, edited by the Belgian Christian League, and Le Cri du Citoyen (Voice of the People), representing the ideas of the FNB.

267 ploome hineni[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:42:24pm
268 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:43:12pm

re: #225 father_of_10

This white supremest crap is getting as old as 1970's black power was. The more attention we pay to this stuff, the more racist the world becomes.

Well, just looking here in Sweden, one of the reasons the Sweden Democrats got the numbers they did in the last election, was precisely because people tried to ignore them. Partly, they used this to portray themselves as underdogs, with the whole "people are afraid of us because we speak the truth" tirade, but mainly their increase in support was because their ideas were left uncontested. They were left to say whatever crap they wanted, and no one debunked any of it, so in the end a lot of people voted for the party that offered easy answers to complex problems.

Destroyers will always appear among men, and they will always manage to garner followers. Every time this happens, their ideas need to be dismantled by direct intellectual confrontation. Keeping our mouths shut and letting them run around un-checked and spread their vile ideas simply will not do.

269 shiplord kirel  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:43:51pm

I remember hearing that it is statistically probable that about half a dozen WW2 veterans will live past 110. It is likely that the very last of them will pass on about 2038 or 2039. That means that the last person who actually knew a WW2 vet will be around until probably 2140.

Plenty of people alive today will live to see the 22nd century, an obvious observation but one that gives me chills to think about.

270 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:44:24pm

re: #242 therewaslight

And who's probably banned sockpuppet are you?

271 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:44:35pm

re: #264 Charles

I miss that ol' LGF Prayer. Especially the part about honest opponents.

272 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:44:52pm

re: #261 LSD

#225 The MEDIA is humping The DOG. Those who listen to THE WHOLE CONVERSATION will get a little different idea about Dog.


Oh really....that he admits to using the n word alot.....that he told two of his sons to break up with black women...and they did....I grew up at the time of Martin Luther King....this racist crap should get no excuse from anyone....if you think this was o.k.....look deep into your soul.

273 EC Marm  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:45:28pm

re: #260 wahabicorridor

I don't know where you got those stats, but the last time I checked, the German churches of whatever denomination were just about empty.


Figures I looked at recently from Wiki. The churches may be empty, but it was based on numbers supplied by the churches of their parishioners.

274 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:45:32pm

re: #255 shiplord kirel

I propose revisiting this issue in the future...Say, after the last American who ever met a WWII vet has passed away?

Yikes! That would be a looooong time. My grandmother, who is still alive today at age 103, met some veterans of the Mexican War (1846-48) when she was very young and there were many, many Civil War veterans around in those days.
I never met any Civil War vets but I did know some people who could remember it. Our next door neighbor in Colorado Springs in the 1950s, a Mrs. Rice, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and could remember seeing Abe Lincoln in person, specifically at his second inauguration.

My mother remembers a great uncle who had not only served in the Civil War but had been captured and spent time in Libby Prison in Richmond and was involved in the famous escape.

I guess that's the issue in a way -- when living memory fades, it becomes more difficult to retain the cultural memory. Rule of thumb: 175 years is the horizon of living memory. After that point, it is practically impossible to find someone who knew someone who was involved in a particular historical event.

275 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:45:59pm

re: #257 NoSpam

re: #250 therewaslight

re: #248 NoSpam


re: #242 therewaslight


Science does not make one an extremist.


No, but selective editing and warping of scientific research can...


Publish your own article there then.


huh?

If you think they have "selectively edited and warped scientific research."

But remember now this will take the discussion OT since I accept Vdare has publised White Nationalist and anti-semitic articles.

My argument is that's because race is a subject which interests White Nationalists and anti-semites. Merely discussing the science of genetics does not make one a white nationalist or anti-semite.

That would be a contradiction for someone like Michelle Malkin who has written there, for example.

276 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:46:32pm

re: #266 zuckerlilly


Thank you zuckerlilly. I've just bookmarked your post in my Vlaams Belang folder.

277 NY Nana  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:47:20pm

re: #265 albusteve

I am sooooo glad to be a non-celebrity..so glad.

It ain't worth it. And people still pay to see them, buy their albums..IMHO, 'celebrity' is a cult.

278 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:47:51pm

re: #255 shiplord kirel

I propose revisiting this issue in the future...
Say, after the last American who ever met a WWII vet has passed away?

Yikes! That would be a looooong time. My grandmother, who is still alive today at age 103, met some veterans of the Mexican War (1846-48) when she was very young and there were many, many Civil War veterans around in those days.
I never met any Civil War vets but I did know some people who could remember it. Our next door neighbor in Colorado Springs in the 1950s, a Mrs. Rice, had been born in Washington DC in 1859 and could remember seeing Abe Lincoln in person, specifically at his second inauguration.

I love stuff like this...my granny had an old family friend that fought the war then spent years chasing indians out west...I have several photos of the old guy and his bedroom suit...Eastlake Victorian in walnut...she told me many stories about him down thru the times

279 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:47:56pm

re: #269 shiplord kirel

Yeah, I was going for hyperbole. The memories and stories of our WWII vets will live far, far into the future. I don't think a bunch of Euro punks are going to wipe that out anytime soon.

280 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:49:20pm

re: #268 Truumax

Destroyers will always appear among men, and they will always manage to garner followers. Every time this happens, their ideas need to be dismantled by direct intellectual confrontation. Keeping our mouths shut and letting them run around un-checked and spread their vile ideas simply will not do.

What's that phrase? Evil succeeds when Good Men do nothing? Something like that.

Clearly this week we've seen what happens when we do shine the light and confront. These groups are in a tizzy trying to refute Charles' claims. Every time they try, they tip their hand more. The mask slips a bit more. Ignoring a problem has never once made that problem go away.

281 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:50:03pm

re: #277 NY Nana

re: #265 albusteve

I am sooooo glad to be a non-celebrity..so glad.

It ain't worth it. And people still pay to see them, buy their albums..IMHO, 'celebrity' is a cult.

watch out...youre pretty popular round here!

282 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:51:41pm
283 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:52:07pm

Fuck all Race-based groups.
Seriously.
Stupid, outdated, lowest denominator ranting fuck-wits.
Fuck La Raza
Fuck KKK
Fuck NOI
Fuck CAIR
and Fuck Vlaams Blok

I think we can thank the divisiveness of the Left for the progression of all these groups in our world today.

284 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:52:15pm

re: #273 EC Marm

re: #260 wahabicorridor


I don't know where you got those stats, but the last time I checked, the German churches of whatever denomination were just about empty.

Figures I looked at recently from Wiki. The churches may be empty, but it was based on numbers supplied by the churches of their parishioners.


Oh, ok, I think I understand what you're missing. In Germany, churches are supported by taxes collected by the state from the churches' parishioners. If you identify yourself to the gov't as belonging to a Lutheran church, the gov't will collect a tax from you and give it to the Lutheran church.

The stats you are looking at are therefore about the ratio of people who say they belong to a given church, but not about the German population as a whole.

Which goes a long way to explaining why not a lot of Germans self-identify as belonging to any religious denomination, but doesn't explain why the churches are empty.

285 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:52:41pm

re: #264 Charles

re: #242 therewaslight

I've read anti-semetic and White Nationalist articles there...

And yet you think the 'extremist' label is unfair?

Let's see ... antisemitic and White Nationalist articles don't warrant the label 'extremist.' What sort of articles would need to be there for you to agree with that label?

They do, and they deserve that label. But the non-anti-semitic and White Nationalist articles don't warrant this label.

I accept there is a problem here and at Vdare. Race is a subject liberals or typically nice people don't touch.

But the science is done. It's now unquestionable. There are sites on the net where you can search genomes for specific genes.

We can't afford to cede the ground of race, when that ground is rising higher and higher on facts.

We have to take their future high ground away from the racists. Which means we should not demonise discussion of human genetics.

286 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:52:50pm

re: #258 Killgore Trout

re: #246 Occasional Reader

Ok, Is it fair to say he wants to see less nonwhites in Europe? We can split hairs all day but his ideology is based on race.

There has never been a Martin Luther King, Jr. in Europe. Race is everything, and they still cling to the most basic biological 19th century definition of the concept. It's all about bloodlines and regional purity. What do you think the "Appellation d'Origine Contrôlée" on the bottles of wine are all about? Much of the resistance to the EU has been based on regional separatism, itself often founded on a deep mistrust not only of other Europeans but of their own countrymen. I used to live in Franconia (not far from where some of Baconlovingkafir's relatives live) in Germany, and although the region has been part of Bavaria since 1803, I still meet people who are insulted by being called Bavarians.

As I've said before, Europe is way behind America when it comes to consciousness of the dangers of racism. In an way, our experience has allowed them an easy way of avoiding the question (they never had slavery, you see), but ultimately Americans are much more conscious of the issue than your average European.

287 EC Marm  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:52:52pm

re: #267 ploome hineni
I am supplying this link for you only. It is not directed at anyone else to read. In a book I am reading on 'the night of the broken glass' the author puts the blueprint for the holocaust and the events of that night, right here, in this book. A paraphrased excerpt from the 1543 (400 years before the Holocaust by a Catholic basher) book:

He argues that their synagogues and schools should be set on fire, their prayer books destroyed, rabbis forbidden to preach, homes razed, and property and money confiscated. They should be shown no mercy or kindness, afforded no legal protection, and these "poisonous envenomed worms" should be drafted into forced labor or expelled for all time. He also seems to advocate their murder, writing "[w]e are at fault in not slaying them."


I think your Catholic bashing is misplaced.

288 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:53:43pm

re: #279 rappmandu

re: #269 shiplord kirel

Yeah, I was going for hyperbole. The memories and stories of our WWII vets will live far, far into the future. I don't think a bunch of Euro punks are going to wipe that out anytime soon.

I have sat down with my daughter and her new hubby and explained grampas tromp across the pacific and korea...maps, books, documents, pins and medals and pictures of thompson totin grandpa and his battle flags from saipan...everything I can think of...they asked me to

289 nolocon  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:54:03pm

re: #259 ploome hineni

re: #244 nolocon


I express great sympathy for your family.

wish I could say the same to you
then maybe you would undestand

Courtesy of the German military, my father lost much of his right leg in the Ardennes at the beginning of1945, an uncle nearly died in a prison camp, another uncle came back shell-shocked, and a first cousin died on some field in France.
Ironically, after the war, my father entered into a "handshake" business deal with a group of Jewish businessmen. They cheated him out of his life savings, probably figuring he was some Goy fool.
He didn't hate 'the Jews" because of it, though I suppose he did not miss the irony these same businessmen had all sat out the war safely in the States.
Hate is a bad thing. When a Mel Gibson sins, then makes a sincere apology, it's better for your health not to keep on hating him.

290 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:54:58pm

re: #275 therewaslight

re: #257 NoSpam


re: #250 therewaslight

re: #248 NoSpam

re: #242 therewaslight

Science does not make one an extremist.

No, but selective editing and warping of scientific research can...

Publish your own article there then.

huh?

If you think they have "selectively edited and warped scientific research."

But remember now this will take the discussion OT since I accept Vdare has publised White Nationalist and anti-semitic articles.

My argument is that's because race is a subject which interests White Nationalists and anti-semites. Merely discussing the science of genetics does not make one a white nationalist or anti-semite.

That would be a contradiction for someone like Michelle Malkin who has written there, for example.

I think they do. They trot out the 'science' when it suits them. Of course discussing genetics doesn't make somebody an extremist, but if you're using 'genetics*' to trumpet White Pride world Wide or some similar garbage, chances are you're a bit of a nutcase.


*A lot of these 'genetics' studies that say white people are smarter than other races are so filled with statistical misnomers and noise that it isn't funny...They aren't founded in any real genetic research, just surveys. And you can make a 'scientific survey' lean any way you want it to. Just ask the L^3's who run exit polls...

291 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:54:59pm

re: #282 jeppo

Those who dump all over the VB (and offer no alternative) are implicitly supporting the thoroughly corrupt, anti-American, pro-Palestinian dhimm-witted Belgian establishment

Bullshit.

292 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:55:38pm

re: #282 jeppo

Gotta love it. Fascists vs. fascists vying to out-fascist one another.

Priceless.

293 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:56:13pm

re: #282 jeppo

Those who dump all over the VB (and offer no alternative) are implicitly supporting the thoroughly corrupt, anti-American, pro-Palestinian dhimm-witted Belgian establishment. Perfectly embodied by Brussels' thuggish mayor Freddy Thielemans and his majority-Muslim socialist city councilors, they've instituted a so-called cordon sanitaire around the VB so that hundreds of democratically elected VB officials have no say in any government big or small anywhere in the country.

Anti-democratic nonsense like this would be tolerated for about two seconds in the US or anywhere else in the English-speaking world. And don't forget about the 9/11/07 Brussels police riot where Thielemans' stormtroopers attacked and brutalized suit-and-tie wearing elected officials peacefully protesting the Islamization of Europe. Now tell me, who are the real fascists?

....deleted....unbelievable

294 shiplord kirel  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:56:29pm

re: #274 lucius septimius

I guess that's the issue in a way -- when living memory fades, it becomes more difficult to retain the cultural memory. Rule of thumb: 175 years is the horizon of living memory. After that point, it is practically impossible to find someone who knew someone who was involved in a particular historical event.

I guess that explains why Muslims have forgotten what happened to the Barbary Pirates.

295 J.S.  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:56:35pm

re: #254 rappmandu

Wow, these Euro folks and their supporters sure seem afraid that their movement will fail without some LGF people joining their side.

Makes me wonder.

You can say that again. It also makes me wonder -- what is making them so desperate? it suggests there might be some other reasons (reasons we're not seeing...or considering...(?))

296 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:57:11pm

Note that Belien's article for Vdare ends with this:

"Our voters deserve a democracy. Belgium refuses to grant them one; we will," Mr. Vanhecke said today. "We will establish a new party. This one Belgium will not be able to bury; it will bury Belgium."

And, in the process, the Vlaams Blok will bury mass immigration too.

Lovely rhetoric there. Sound familiar?

re: #266 zuckerlilly

Thanks for that post -- I reported it to myself.

297 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:57:12pm

re: #282 jeppo

Those who dump all over the VB (and offer no alternative) are implicitly supporting the thoroughly corrupt, anti-American, pro-Palestinian dhimm-witted Belgian establishment.

No, we're not.

And there is an alternative, one that's been voiced here many times. Put together a party that doesn't have any ties, historical or otherwise, to far-right neo-Nazi, anti-semitic groups.

To say that LGF has now become supporters of the Caliphate by raising legitimate questions about ONE Belgian separatist group defies logic and evidence.

298 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:57:19pm

re: #282 jeppo

I'm so tired of this argument. If I don't support the VB, I'm a socialist/pro-establishment/pro-big government/multiculturalist/white-hater/whatever.

I'm not. I just think the VB seem like a bunch of thugs who are barely able to contain their racist ideology.

Now, I'm not belgian, and I don't know about the belgian political structure, so I can't tell you what I would be for. But I do know what I'm against.

299 justnobody  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:57:29pm

re: #275 therewaslight

Are you also into other branches of science, or is it just "genetics"?

300 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:58:33pm

re: #282 jeppo

Now tell me, who are the real fascists?

You are! Your argument is akin to political rape and blackmail.

There is no one else, so we have to go with them and we're taking you with us whether you like it or not!

What would we do in America? We'd form another party- and that would be much more difficult to do here than it would be in europe based on the political landscape. So quit with the frickin' political blackmail.

301 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:59:40pm

re: #288 albusteve

Oral tradition is such a great way to do it! Keep the flame lit in the hearts of each generation.

302 zuckerlilly  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 3:59:43pm

Extra-parliamentary Groups

A number of militant structures and think-tanks close to the VB*) continue to foster antisemitism, among them Voorpost, which acts as a link between the VB and even more extremist groups. An action group with pagan tendencies, Voorpost was set up in 1976 by young nationalist leaders close to the French New Right (in particular GRECE – see France) and neo-Nazi organizations abroad. Voorpost was also involved in distributing publications denying crimes of the Nazi regime. In 2000/1Voorpost is run by senior members of the VB leadership, such as former Senator Roeland Raes**) (its vice-president from 1978 to February 2001) and member of parliament Francis Vanden Eynde (current vice-president of the country’s Chamber of Deputies).

Before its formation, Voorpost was part of another nationalist group, Were Di (Verbond van Nederlandse Werkgemeenschappen). Were Di was created in 1962 by former pro-Nazi collaborators, including members of the Flemish Waffen-SS and founder of the VB Karel Dillen. The theoretical works of this think-tank constituted the basis of the VB’s founding manifesto. Like the VB, Were Di aims at overthrowing the Belgian state and creating an independent Flemish state based upon a “homogeneous community” of the “white race.” Several of VB’s parliamentary members still serve on the editorial committee of Dietsland-Europa, Were Di’s monthly publication. Dietsland-Europa is a staunch defender of leading French Holocaust denier Robert Faurisson and the National Socialist (NS) heritage.

The Nationalistische Studenten Verbond (NSV)***) is an association of extreme right university students founded in 1976. A number of the VB’s leaders began their political activity in the NSV, including current leaders Philip Dewinter and Franck Van Hecke. The NSV’s emblem is the Celtic cross, adopted by the neo-Nazis. After the law against denial of the Holocaust was passed on 23 March 1995, the NJSV (the high-school branch of the NSV) distributed a “Revisionism is no crime!” sticker. The last demonstration held by NSV – in March 2001 in Antwerp – was supported by the VB.

Another youth organization, which is officially independent of the VB (but whose leaders are former heads of the VB youth organization), is the Vlaamse Jongeren Mechelen (VJM), a small skinhead group active in the town of Malines (Mechelen), which has contacts with several other neo-Nazi and antisemitic movements in Wallonia and abroad (see below).

*) Vlaams Blok = the predecessor of Vlaams Belang (same people, same platform, same ideology)
**) now Vlaams Belang
***) deWinter

303 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:00:19pm

re: #285 therewaslight

We can't afford to cede the ground of race, when that ground is rising higher and higher on facts.

I'm not sure the science of biology supports 'race'. Anybody know?

304 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:00:44pm

re: #272 storagemanager

re: #261 LSD


#225 The MEDIA is humping The DOG. Those who listen to THE WHOLE CONVERSATION will get a little different idea about Dog.

Oh really....that he admits to using the n word alot.....that he told two of his sons to break up with black women...and they did....I grew up at the time of Martin Luther King....this racist crap should get no excuse from anyone....if you think this was o.k.....look deep into your soul.

My point is that this will go nowhere. His friends -who happen to be Black, yellow, brown, and red - will all come foreward and say - "That's just the Dog"

He came from a white biker gang Convict lifestyle into the Hollywood limelight - and HE KNEW that him just being him would sink his ass his piss poor salty habits got outed by an unfriendy outsider - and it did.

Before you get all up on my ass - do a little more serious research.

(Hint- you ever hang out a few weeks with a group of salty mixed race american Police Officers, or Combat vets?)

305 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:01:14pm

re: #301 rappmandu

re: #288 albusteve

Oral tradition is such a great way to do it! Keep the flame lit in the hearts of each generation.

I've learned my lesson from the Pueblo out here in new mex...there can be no other way I'm convinced

306 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:01:17pm

re: #303 wahabicorridor

There is the human race,...thats about it.

307 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:01:46pm

re: #296 Charles


Note that Belien's article for Vdare ends with this:

"Our voters deserve a democracy. Belgium refuses to grant them one; we will," Mr. Vanhecke said today. "We will establish a new party. This one Belgium will not be able to bury; it will bury Belgium."

And, in the process, the Vlaams Blok will bury mass immigration too.

Lovely rhetoric there. Sound familiar?


Yup, sure does.

We have neo-nazi parties in America too. WE DON'T VOTE FOR THEM!

(Sam Kinison voice)

Zuckerlilly -- didn't mean to cut out your part -- good post and great nic.

308 storagemanager  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:01:57pm

Off to watch an old t.v. show....the rifleman...a God fearing man raising his son alone...and teaching him to be a good man....good night.

309 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:01:58pm

Looking at all of this I wonder sometimes if the West deserves to survive. We cannot even agree what is the greatest threat. Perhaps the deconstruction of the West is to far along to pull together and fight. Then again historically the West seems to not fight until sheer survival is at stake. This argument does seem to point to the success of secular humanists that have made racism (as long as it is practiced by whites) the greatest sin of all.

And no wonder the Islamists use the charge of racism to stop the West in its tracks, when we all know Islam is not a race, but an ideology. We seem to suck at self defense, but are given to white guilt, deserved or not, it has become the issue that divides us and insures, IMO that Islam may just win this round.

310 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:02:12pm

re: #297 lucius septimius


No.
They cant.
Times are desperate.
No time to start another party.
If they don't stop the jihadi's by Tuesday, Islam will have taken over.

311 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:02:12pm

re: #260 wahabicorridor

re: #253 EC Marm
re: #231 ploome hineni
family in the death camps asshole


I am sorry to see that.

However the population in Germany is approximately 50% Catholic and 50% a combination of Lutheran, Presbyterian, Methodist, etc. Look at the writings of Martin Luther for the blueprint of what happened there. You know what religion he had it out for initially, don't you? And who he went after NEXT?

I don't know where you got those stats, but the last time I checked, the German churches of whatever denomination were just about empty.

Not so in Greece or Russia.

312 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:02:21pm

re: #290 NoSpam

I think they do. They trot out the 'science' when it suits them. Of course discussing genetics doesn't make somebody an extremist, but if you're using 'genetics*' to trumpet White Pride world Wide or some similar garbage, chances are you're a bit of a nutcase.

*A lot of these 'genetics' studies that say white people are smarter than other races are so filled with statistical misnomers and noise that it isn't funny...They aren't founded in any real genetic research, just surveys. And you can make a 'scientific survey' lean any way you want it to. Just ask the L^3's who run exit polls...

How are you to learn the vocabulary to fight this if you label sites that deal with this subject "hard-core" and "extremist"?

You are right to be skeptical about anyone who says there is a master race. There isn't one. Gifts and talents are spread liberally and equally among all humans. However unlike me, I suspect you could not argue the science of this with a White Nationalist head on. You'd call him or her and, by necessity, scientists who disagree with him/her extremists. What is this if not political correctness?

313 Charles  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:02:23pm

re: #298 Truumax

re: #282 jeppo

I'm so tired of this argument. If I don't support the VB, I'm a socialist/pro-establishment/pro-big government/multiculturalist/white-hater/ whatever.

I'm not. I just think the VB seem like a bunch of thugs who are barely able to contain their racist ideology.

Now, I'm not belgian, and I don't know about the belgian political structure, so I can't tell you what I would be for. But I do know what I'm against.

It's kind of amazing that no matter how often it's answered, jeppo just keeps bringing it up again.

314 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:03:09pm

re: #308 storagemanager

Off to watch an old t.v. show....the rifleman...a God fearing man raising his son alone...and teaching him to be a good man....good night.

Love that show!

315 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:03:17pm

re: #306 Boondock St. Bender

re: #303 wahabicorridor

There is the human race,...thats about it.


heh. thanks.

316 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:03:23pm

Remember, folks,

The ends justify the means!

/

317 albusteve  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:04:03pm

re: #310 hous bin pharteen

re: #297 lucius septimius


No.
They cant.
Times are desperate.
No time to start another party.
If they don't stop the jihadi's by Tuesday, Islam will have taken over.

so we still have MNF that week?...whew!

318 Lauraf  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:04:31pm

re: #136 jeppo

#122 jehu

Thank you for asking for what I've been asking for since this thing began, "some alternatives". No one has offered an alternative for the anti-jihadist Belgians to support besides the VB.

Duh, how are people outside Belgium supposed to do that? Only Belgians can change existing political parties and create new ones.

319 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:05:13pm

313 Charles 11/02/07 4:02:23 pm reply quote report 1

re: #298 Truumax

re: #282 jeppo

I'm so tired of this argument. If I don't support the VB, I'm a socialist/pro-establishment/pro-big government/multiculturalist/white-hater/ whatever.

I'm not. I just think the VB seem like a bunch of thugs who are barely able to contain their racist ideology.

Now, I'm not belgian, and I don't know about the belgian political structure, so I can't tell you what I would be for. But I do know what I'm against.

It's kind of amazing that no matter how often it's answered, jeppo just keeps bringing it up again.


Sometime people (mainly children) keep asking the same question in hopes that the hoped for answer will bring delightfully tasting goodies.

320 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:05:17pm

re: #303 wahabicorridor

I'm not sure the science of biology supports 'race'. Anybody know?

Ask at your local forensic lab.

321 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:05:28pm

re: #310 hous bin pharteen

Damn.tuesday huh...dude i got things to do tuesday,ask if they'll hold off till at least,..say thursday,yeah thursday.

322 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:06:40pm

re: #311 1389

Not so in Greece or Russia.

I know after the wall fell church attendance in Russia increased, but I'd sure like to know about the demographics of that. Elderly? Women?

Greece - they remind me of the Italians that way! LOL!

323 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:06:45pm

re: #300 Sharmuta

re: #282 jeppo

Now tell me, who are the real fascists?

You are! Your argument is akin to political rape and blackmail.

There is no one else, so we have to go with them and we're taking you with us whether you like it or not!

What would we do in America? We'd form another party- and that would be much more difficult to do here than it would be in europe based on the political landscape. So quit with the frickin' political blackmail.

Looks as though somebody IS going to have to start a new, nonracist, anti-Islamist party in Flanders, or maybe in the EU as a whole. Any Lizardoids in Europe up for the task?

324 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:06:53pm

re: #303 wahabicorridor

re: #285 therewaslight


We can't afford to cede the ground of race, when that ground is rising higher and higher on facts.

I'm not sure the science of biology supports 'race'. Anybody know?


It really doesn't. The 'genetic studies' based on race are usually surveys, not genetic studies. And surveys are the bastard child of the scientific world. Always take them with a small truckload of salt.

Real genetics is closer to saying there is no such thing as 'race,' unless you count the human race...

325 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:06:55pm

re: #309 jehu

Looking at all of this I wonder sometimes if the West deserves to survive. We cannot even agree what is the greatest threat. Perhaps the deconstruction of the West is to far along to pull together and fight. Then again historically the West seems to not fight until sheer survival is at stake. This argument does seem to point to the success of secular humanists that have made racism (as long as it is practiced by whites) the greatest sin of all.

And no wonder the Islamists use the charge of racism to stop the West in its tracks, when we all know Islam is not a race, but an ideology. We seem to suck at self defense, but are given to white guilt, deserved or not, it has become the issue that divides us and insures, IMO that Islam may just win this round.

The west deserves to survive because, in the entire history of mankind, no other civilization has placed human freedom and the dignity and value of the individual at the center of its definition of civilization. Of all the civilization that have stood upon this earth since the ice-sheets retreated and the mastodons croaked, only that which arose in the west has had the courage to even suggest that man is free and can be trusted to think for himself.

(if Mandy's around -- generic "man" being used here; no offense)

326 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:07:43pm

re: #322 wahabicorridor

re: #311 1389

Not so in Greece or Russia.

I know after the wall fell church attendance in Russia increased, but I'd sure like to know about the demographics of that. Elderly? Women?

Greece - they remind me of the Italians that way! LOL!

Not just elderly and women in Russia. Young people too. BTW, the Orthodox Christian faith appeals at least as much to men as it does to women.

327 justnobody  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:07:50pm

re: #303 wahabicorridor

The study of the human genome is at such a primitive stage, that it's still learning the differences between the genome of a white man and that of an asparagus. Studying "race" by genomic means is a huge waste of time.

328 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:07:57pm

re: #320 therewaslight

re: #303 wahabicorridor

I'm not sure the science of biology supports 'race'. Anybody know?

Ask at your local forensic lab.


I'd rather ask an anthropologist.

329 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:08:31pm

re: #317 albusteve

Yes, but the week after, the game is the Detroit Mohammed's vs the San Francisco Marxists.

I think the jerseys go on sale Wednesday.

Since beer will be outlawed, I am not sure what would go good with hot wings.
Goats milk?

The Dallas game will be interesting.
Hate to picture the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders in burques.
I mean, how are they going to do those high kicks?

330 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:08:59pm

re: #309 jehu

You're right.

I quit.

/

331 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:09:50pm

re: #313 Charles

I wrote a post in an earlier thread where I said that the people who reason this way are intellectual defeatists. They simply don't believe that they can win the war of ideas.

That tells me a lot about how weak their convictions actually are.

332 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:11:32pm

re: #310 hous bin pharteen

re: #297 lucius septimius


No.
They cant.
Times are desperate.
No time to start another party.
If they don't stop the jihadi's by Tuesday, Islam will have taken over.

OK, lots of other people have already responded. Tuesday? C'mon. If it's that late already, then it's too late, and VB and other parties have obviously failed, despite their willingness to shake hands with the devil. So long as the Caliphate isn't here now then there is still time.

Panic is not an excuse.

333 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:12:10pm

re: #330 rappmandu

re: #309 jehu

You're right.

I quit.

/

LOL! -- finally a laugh out of this thread.

334 1389  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:12:15pm

re: #239 NoSpam

re: #224 nolocon

re: #198 ploome hineni

re: #193 storagemanager


Dog is no better than Mel Gibson....this whole thread is about the danger...racist hate....just as bad as Islamic hate...you see...hate is just hate.


I will wait to see the Catholic church and Catholics defend Dog


Yikes. Who would've figured a Dog thread takes a sharp turn into a Bigotry Against Catholics theme?BTW ... Mel Gibson spews some garbage while stumbling drunk, and later spends months apologizing repeatedly and profusely.
I suspect that people still beating that story have a lot more baggage in their agenda than his drunken tirade.


This also begs the question, who gives a damn what either Dog OR mel Gibson say...Certainly not me.

If we ignore them, they usually go away...

They don't have anything to do with the danger of expansionist Islam.

335 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:12:36pm
336 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:02pm

re: #312 therewaslight

re: #290 NoSpam

I think they do. They trot out the 'science' when it suits them. Of course discussing genetics doesn't make somebody an extremist, but if you're using 'genetics*' to trumpet White Pride world Wide or some similar garbage, chances are you're a bit of a nutcase.

*A lot of these 'genetics' studies that say white people are smarter than other races are so filled with statistical misnomers and noise that it isn't funny...They aren't founded in any real genetic research, just surveys. And you can make a 'scientific survey' lean any way you want it to. Just ask the L^3's who run exit polls...

How are you to learn the vocabulary to fight this if you label sites that deal with this subject "hard-core" and "extremist"?

You are right to be skeptical about anyone who says there is a master race. There isn't one. Gifts and talents are spread liberally and equally among all humans. However unlike me, I suspect you could not argue the science of this with a White Nationalist head on. You'd call him or her and, by necessity, scientists who disagree with him/her extremists. What is this if not political correctness?


No, I would call them ignorant for their deliberate misrepresentation of facts.

I call them extremists becase of the idealology they are pushing, using their fake science as a means to push that drivel. That's the difference between innocent ignorance (somebody who just doesn't know any better) and willful ignorance. Extremists are pretty much by definition WILLFULLY IGNORANT of any inconvenient facts that happen to get in their way.

When the real facts are out there for everyone to see, but you ignore them anyway, no amount of debate will convince you of the truth.

337 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:02pm

re: #328 wahabicorridor

Don't trust anthropologists on this one. 90% of them are dogmatic Marxists.

338 yavanna  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:09pm

at bottom of article at Vdare site :

Paul Belien [email him] is a Flemish historian and journalist. His wife, Alexandra Colen, is a member of the Belgian House of Representatives for the Vlaams Blok

339 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:23pm

re: #332 lucius septimius

It is much easier to race headlong into the arms of nutcases.

340 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:29pm

re: #324 NoSpam

It really doesn't. The 'genetic studies' based on race are usually surveys, not genetic studies. And surveys are the bastard child of the scientific world. Always take them with a small truckload of salt.

That's what I thought, but what do I know. Besides, you know that whole molecular clock thing that can show the time it took for homo sapiens to evolve from some ape? Yet the genetic differences between modern man and chimps are few and far between. So, other than some minor physical characteristics like skin color I don't know where the biology to support the social construct we term 'race' would come from.

341 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:13:59pm

re: #334 1389

OT -- nic -- Field of Blackbirds, correct?

342 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:15:11pm

re: #309 jehu


I'm a warrior type. It ain't over until it's over, they say.

The west DOES deserve to survive. People have had it too good in the USA and have lost their stomach for fighting. History is filled with fights for survival.

Your view is a bit fatalistic.

Islam will not win.

The ideology that wins depends on which side has more handwringers and fence sitters and less fighters.

343 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:15:11pm

re: #339 hous bin pharteen

Confused -- that was sarc, no? The first post, I mean?

344 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:15:46pm

re: #309 jehu

And no wonder the Islamists use the charge of racism to stop the West in its tracks, when we all know Islam is not a race, but an ideology. We seem to suck at self defense, but are given to white guilt, deserved or not, it has become the issue that divides us and insures, IMO that Islam may just win this round.


Sorry. You're way off.
You seem to possibly have a problem with calling Wrong, Wrong.
Have you ever spent 30 min. at a neo-nazi rally?
It's enough to make you puke.
(Unless you agree with it.)

If not wanting to tolerate a group whose leadership rose from Hitlers SS, (Much like CAIR rose from Hamas), is "white guilt", I'll have to live with the "guilt" and keep fighting Islamofascists - and Eurofascists if need be ...

345 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:16:01pm

re: #335 jeppo

That's what I can't get behind. When you support the VB with the notion that "Belgium is not America", you're kinda implying "and it never will be". To me that feels like you've already given up.

346 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:16:16pm

re: #342 Highrise

Go person!

(trying to avoid gendered language)

347 Boondock St. Bender  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:16:19pm

re: #335 jeppo

You would do much better to concretely respond to what charles(trumaxx,babba,etc.)have uncovered about the evidence of w/s nazi leanings,then saying"c'mon be nice...we'll be your freinds...for now"

348 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:16:23pm

re: #324 NoSpam


It really doesn't. The 'genetic studies' based on race are usually surveys, not genetic studies. And surveys are the bastard child of the scientific world. Always take them with a small truckload of salt.

Real genetics is closer to saying there is no such thing as 'race,' unless you count the human race...

You're just going to throw your weapons, any and all chance you have to defend yourself, overboard?

You're showing tremendous ignorance to just do the verbal equivalent of booting the subject under the rug.

Even the PC New York Times regularly publishes scientific articles on race. I accept that most here don't read the New York Times for other reasons...

But seriously. The subject's not going to go away.

Human behaviour is determined by genetics and environment; and a portion of the genetic is input is from "race" - instead of race you might prefer the anodyne term "population cluster."

349 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:16:59pm

re: #335 jeppo

Belgium is not America. Free speech and the democratic process are severely limited. How about directing some of your rage at the Leftist-Islamist alliance in Brussels, who hate your guts, instead of the VB, who don't?

Oh and can someone please repeat that hilarious 9/11/07 conspiracy theory, whereas the VB wanted to get beaten up by the cops to attract sympathy for themselves. I guess Frank Vanhecke's balls are still paying for that scam, eh?


You don't appear to be in this for answers to the problem.
....just say'n...

350 Highrise  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:17:20pm

re: #346 lucius septimius

HA!

351 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:17:31pm

re: #337 lucius septimius

Don't trust anthropologists on this one. 90% of them are dogmatic Marxists.


Oh poop!

I wanted to be a physical anthropologist for the longest time.

Then I discovered Bloomingdale's.

Good thing, too. I had the misfortune to meet Donald Johannson (of "Lucy' fame). What an insufferable, arrogant SOB.

352 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:17:38pm

#346 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:16:16 pm reply quote report 0

re: #342 Highrise

Go person!

(trying to avoid gendered language)


Gender away....

353 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:18:32pm

re: #335 jeppo

Belgium is not America.

Thank God!

354 J.S.  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:19:02pm

re: #340 wahabicorridor

I agree. (hmmm...I've noticed a Wiki article in dire need of an edit...) anyway, far too much of the "I.Q" "studies" attempting to draw links to some genetic component are flawed (falls into the category of "pseudo-science"). the American Psychological Assiociation put together (in response to The Bell Curve) a PDF file -- what's known, what's unknown.
Here's the link to the PDF file (for anyone who's interested):

[Link: www.gifted.uconn.edu...]

355 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:19:27pm

re: #353 Sharmuta

re: #335 jeppo


Belgium is not America.

Thank God!

...lol...

356 rightymouse  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:20:16pm

#335 jeppo

Belgium is not America. Free speech and the democratic process are severely limited. How about directing some of your rage at the Leftist-Islamist alliance in Brussels, who hate your guts, instead of the VB, who don't?

Who exactly helped create this state of affairs in Belgium? Do you get to vote? If so, you have noone but yourself to blame.

357 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:20:17pm

re: #352 debutaunt

#346 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:16:16 pm reply quote report 0

re: #342 Highrise

Go person!

(trying to avoid gendered language)


Gender away....

I would, but my wife if the jealous type.

358 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:20:20pm

#353 Sharmuta 11/02/07 4:18:32 pm reply quote report 1

re: #335 jeppo

Belgium is not America.

Thank God!


The best Belgium had to offer was Audrey Hepburn.

359 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:20:53pm

re: #335 jeppo

Why on earth do you think a country that gave so much in blood and treasure to defeat the Nazi's would just jump in bed with people with the same ideas rolling around their head?

If the anti-jihadis in the US get in bed with white supremacists in Europe, guess what? IT IS OVER.
There is no way any arguments against the Jihad would make any headway after that in the US. We in the US would be finished.
So not only have you lost Europe, you just lost the United States as an ally.
Boy, that is one hell of a good plan!

360 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:21:14pm

re: #354 J.S.


Thank you very much! Bookmarked and printing now............

361 debutaunt  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:21:46pm

re: #357 lucius septimius
357 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:20:17 pm reply quote report 0

re: #352 debutaunt

#346 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:16:16 pm reply quote report 0

re: #342 Highrise

Go person!

(trying to avoid gendered language)


Gender away....

I would, but my wife if the jealous type.


Aha! A tiny slip of the pen.

362 J.S.  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:22:50pm

re: #348 therewaslight

Virtually the entire scientific (that's modern-day) community does not accept the term "race" (if/when used) as a descriptor based on "genetics." Only pseudo-scientists use the term in this way. The term "race" is used by sociologists and some others (as a category).

363 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:23:32pm

Is it possible that many of us here at LGF are operating from an idealogical perspective that is a luxury only afforded to bystanders? I have seen suggestions that the Belgians need to start another Political Party. Is that so easy to do? It takes decades, not years. Even here in America we desperately need another party, good luck getting one started, history and inertia are against you.

From what some of the posters are saying the VB party has been ostracized and fought bitterly against by the Socialists, but also has deep ties to neo-nazis. I think this demand for purity is simply a luxury only those arguing academically can afford. This being Europe you may not be able to get a political party free of racial themes, even racism.

I don't think many here are being realistic, and perhaps a little dogmatic. It is like what is taking place in the GOP. We were all about a pure conservative and thought we had one in Bush Jr. Turns out we did not, not even close...huge government expansion, constant working with outright socialists like Kennedy or ignoring of the will of the people regarding immigration.

So now I think we are growing up a little and can accept a Giuliani why? Because the real world demands some pretty stinky compromises. And all of us that are conservative, particularly social conservatives look at Giuliani and ask the one important question. Will he vigorously defend American and take on the Jihadists. Sometimes that is all you can ask for...just one thing.

364 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:23:51pm

re: #343 lucius septimius
Huh.
You lost me there.

I mean it is much easier for them just to run into the nut cases arms than start another party or influence another one.
It is always harder to do what is right than to do what is expedient.

365 TMK  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:24:03pm

So, allow me to understand the new LGF form of logic:

1) Giuliani supports abortion. However, we should get over it and support him *because* he opposes muslim terrorists.

2) Belien supports white supremacy. Therefore, Belgians should be disgusted and not support him *despite* his opposing muslim terrorists.

No dice Charles. It's obvious you care more about Jewish Holocaust denial than the new holocaust of babies being mutilated and poisoned to death, but if opposing muslim terrorists isn't a good enough reason for you to get behind their favorite racist, it will never be enough for me to support your favorite baby-killer.

366 rightymouse  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:24:34pm

#335 jeppo

Belgium is not America

No kidding. But then, I suspect Belgium thinks it's superior to America.

367 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:25:36pm

re: #351 wahabicorridor

I was interested in the same thing for a while -- briefly studied with one of Jane Goodall's students. I still have a cast of an Australopithecus Afarensis in my office I made back in those days.

Unfortunately, while there are some very smart people in the field, the rank and file are dogmatic and not terribly imaginative.

368 Lauraf  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:25:47pm

re: #282 jeppo

Those who dump all over the VB (and offer no alternative) are implicitly supporting the thoroughly corrupt, anti-American, pro-Palestinian dhimm-witted Belgian establishment.

Do you blush when you write such unadulterated BS? How can people who are NOT Belgians provide you with a Belgian alternative? Cut with the stupid strawman arguments.

369 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:26:12pm

jeppo,

Why don't you go visit an American war cemetery in Belgium and spend some time there in reflection. Perhaps you'll find some inspiration there, too.

370 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:26:17pm

re: #353 Sharmuta

re: #335 jeppo


Belgium is not America.

Thank God!

I'm glad I live in a place where it is not considered 'normal' to put mayo on fries...

371 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:26:33pm

re: #364 hous bin pharteen

Gotcha -- suddenly got confused (too much gin)

372 hous bin pharteen  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:27:10pm

re: #363 jehu

I don't think the comparison is Hilary vs Rudy.
It is Hilary vs David Duke.

373 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:28:13pm

re: #365 TMK

Giuliani supports abortion. However, we should get over it and support him

I don't know who Charles supports, if anyone, so I can't address that.
But you do understand that whoever is elected president, it will not change the fact of abortion? Even if some day SCOTUS overturned Roe, the issue would simply devolve to the states.

374 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:28:37pm
375 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:29:24pm

re: #365 TMK

NEO-NAZI TIES! He supports people with NEO-NAZI TIES! Jesus christ, the comparison between Giuliani and Belien is retarded on so many levels.

376 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:29:29pm

re: #363 jehu

Perhaps. However, I believe many folks here have been around the block (and the world) enough times to speak from experience, not academic luxury.

377 Sharmuta  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:29:38pm

re: #363 jehu

Sorry- I oppose fascism of any stripe.

I will not betray my family who fought to remove it from europe.

I will not support a european party that wants to grant full amnesty to nazi collaborators.

Because the real world demands some pretty stinky compromises.

That's what the opportunists are banking on.

378 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:30:23pm

re: #348 therewaslight

re: #324 NoSpam


It really doesn't. The 'genetic studies' based on race are usually surveys, not genetic studies. And surveys are the bastard child of the scientific world. Always take them with a small truckload of salt.

Real genetics is closer to saying there is no such thing as 'race,' unless you count the human race...

You're just going to throw your weapons, any and all chance you have to defend yourself, overboard?

You're showing tremendous ignorance to just do the verbal equivalent of booting the subject under the rug.

Even the PC New York Times regularly publishes scientific articles on race. I accept that most here don't read the New York Times for other reasons...

But seriously. The subject's not going to go away.

Human behaviour is determined by genetics and environment; and a portion of the genetic is input is from "race" - instead of race you might prefer the anodyne term "population cluster."

I'm not just 'bootsing the subject under the rug' or 'throwing away my weapons' because I call a lunatic fringe group what it is.

If we ignore these ignorant racemongering crazies, they will take their crazy someplace else, and stop leaving steaming piles of it in my backyard.

379 jeppo[deleted]  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:30:54pm
380 Render  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:31:05pm

Are Jews supposed to decide between neo-nazi's and Islamofascist's as to which is the greater threat?

They are both equally the greater threat.

REGARDLESS,
R

381 Killgore Trout  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:31:29pm

re: #363 jehu

I think this demand for purity is simply a luxury only those arguing academically can afford.


I don't care who Belgians vote for, this really isn't about local Belgian politics. These people can't be allowed to participate in anti-Jihad conferences because they taint the whole thing.

382 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:31:32pm

re: #363 jehu

So now I think we are growing up a little and can accept a Giuliani why? Because the real world demands some pretty stinky compromises. And all of us that are conservative, particularly social conservatives look at Giuliani and ask the one important question. Will he vigorously defend American and take on the Jihadists. Sometimes that is all you can ask for...just one thing.

I understand what you're saying, but you seem to be willing to give up basic principles out of a feeling of desperation. We ain't anywhere near that point ...

383 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:31:35pm

re: #377 Sharmuta


Because the real world demands some pretty stinky compromises.

That's what the opportunists are banking on.

Well said.

384 Lauraf  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:32:02pm

re: #303 wahabicorridor

re: #285 therewaslight


We can't afford to cede the ground of race, when that ground is rising higher and higher on facts.

I'm not sure the science of biology supports 'race'. Anybody know?

For the most part, no, it doesn't. Biologists generally think in terms of "populations", which are genetically "functional" groups with a historic basis. The 'races' we talk about are largely social constructions.

385 Anthony (Los Angeles)  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:32:19pm

What a disappointment this has been. I used to think of Brussels Journal as a reasonable, if hard-core anti-jihadist site. But after this? If it's a choice between trusting the likes of Bruce Bawer and Ayaan Hirsi Ali on the one hand, and DeWinter and Belien on the other, well ....

It's a very easy choice.

386 rightymouse  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:32:51pm

#374 jeppo

Hey, guess what? It already exists and it's called the Vlaams Belang.

Hey, guess what? Back in 1998 Chavez promised that he would not stay in power more than 5 years, would not nationalize any business, and called Cuba’s government a dictatorship.

387 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:33:25pm
re: #363 jehu

So now I think we are growing up a little and can accept a Giuliani why? Because the real world demands some pretty stinky compromises. And all of us that are conservative, particularly social conservatives look at Giuliani and ask the one important question. Will he vigorously defend American and take on the Jihadists. Sometimes that is all you can ask for...just one thing.

David Duke is a BIG FAN of Vlaams Blok ... nuff said'

388 Truumax  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:33:53pm

re: #374 jeppo

except that they're not "anti-islamist" per se, they're "anti-immigrant".

If a party like that were to come to power here in Sweden (like the SD, for example), I know that some of my best friends would no longer be safe. That's a constant reminder of how evil the concept of racial purity is.

389 LSD  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:34:31pm

re: #386 rightymouse

#374 jeppo


Hey, guess what? It already exists and it's called the Vlaams Belang.

Hey, guess what? Back in 1998 Chavez promised that he would not stay in power more than 5 years, would not nationalize any business, and called Cuba’s government a dictatorship.

OUCH!

390 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:34:46pm

re: #367 lucius septimius

re: #351 wahabicorridor

I was interested in the same thing for a while -- briefly studied with one of Jane Goodall's students. I still have a cast of an Australopithecus Afarensis in my office I made back in those days.

Unfortunately, while there are some very smart people in the field, the rank and file are dogmatic and not terribly imaginative.


That's it. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY IT! My jealously knows no bounds.

Dammit.

Does the name Napoleon Chagnon ring a bell? He was really full of himself too. I was working at the Comp(utation) Center at Penn State one night. The (public) phone on the wall rang while I was walking by, so according to the social norms there, I answered it. Someone asked for him. He was there, I had seen him earlier. Again, according to the social norm, I popped my head around the corner and said, "Chagnon, phone". He looked up and said "Doctor Chagnon".

So I walked back to the phone and said, "Sorry, no one here by that name" and hung up.

He was standing right behind me, his face was beet red.

He was very nice to me after that. And his grad students were terrific.

391 Lauraf  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:36:06pm

re: #348 therewaslight

re: #324 NoSpam

Human behaviour is determined by genetics and environment; and a portion of the genetic is input is from "race" - instead of race you might prefer the anodyne term "population cluster."

What kind of human behavior are you talking about - a preference for tortillas instead of bread, conservatism vs liberalism? Sure would like to read the research you're referring to, if you could point the way, because it sounds like a load of malarkey.

392 therewaslight  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:36:12pm

re: #362 J.S.

re: #348 therewaslight

Virtually the entire scientific (that's modern-day) community does not accept the term "race" (if/when used) as a descriptor based on "genetics." Only pseudo-scientists use the term in this way. The term "race" is used by sociologists and some others (as a category).

I wouldn't use the term "race" without the qualification that in nature there are no absolute boundaries where one "race" begins and another ends.

The boundaries are not completely arbitrary though, just like it's not completely arbitrary that I'm more closely related to my family than I am to my neighbours.

You are wrong the term race is not used by scientists.

"Race" is used in science, as an accepted, well-known shorthand on which groups have, rightly or wrongly, been catagorised. So you'll find articles in Nature and Science which use the word "race."

Consensus is never a good substitue for evidence. If you find yourself arguing from a consensus chances are you don't know what you're talking about.

Galileo went against the scientific consensus and was proved correct. Does not always hold though; no amount of concensus makes gravity go upwards, or Islam the "religion of peace."

393 find your Violent Jihadi on Ebay!  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:36:21pm

re: #122 jehu

I read the article by Paul Belien that you linked to Charles and I cannot see anything racist in the article, in fact I find it well written, well linked and informative on the fight for survival for freedom in Belgium. If others have linked to the article for their purposes, I am sure that has been done to you numerous times.

What is this all about? You have been writing about this for several days. Are we demanding a purity from the Belgians in fighting Islamo-facism that we will never achieve here either? Why are we (you) seeming so ready to label a major political movement racist that is probably the only and last hope for the Belgians? Can you do a thumbnail sketch of all of this, sort of summarize the players, the dangers you see, and maybe some alternatives, or what you would hope to see in their fight for freedom?

I'm lost as to why this post has a -5 score. I have exactly the same questions, and I am and have always been a strong LGF supporter and well-informed daily reader.

394 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:37:21pm

re: #390 wahabicorridor

re: #367 lucius septimius


re: #351 wahabicorridor

I was interested in the same thing for a while -- briefly studied with one of Jane Goodall's students. I still have a cast of an Australopithecus Afarensis in my office I made back in those days.

Unfortunately, while there are some very smart people in the field, the rank and file are dogmatic and not terribly imaginative.


That's it. THAT IS ABSOLUTELY IT! My jealously knows no bounds.

Dammit.

Does the name Napoleon Chagnon ring a bell? He was really full of himself too. I was working at the Comp(utation) Center at Penn State one night. The (public) phone on the wall rang while I was walking by, so according to the social norms there, I answered it. Someone asked for him. He was there, I had seen him earlier. Again, according to the social norm, I popped my head around the corner and said, "Chagnon, phone". He looked up and said "Doctor Chagnon".

So I walked back to the phone and said, "Sorry, no one here by that name" and hung up.

He was standing right behind me, his face was beet red.

He was very nice to me after that. And his grad students were terrific.

Doctor. DOCTOR Evil. I didn't spend six years in Evil Medical School to be called 'mister,' thank you very much.

395 wahabicorridor  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:38:13pm

re: #386 rightymouse

Hey, guess what? Back in 1998 Chavez promised that he would not stay in power more than 5 years, would not nationalize any business, and called Cuba’s government a dictatorship.

Ha! keeper!

396 NoSpam  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:38:17pm

re: #391 Lauraf

re: #348 therewaslight


re: #324 NoSpam

Human behaviour is determined by genetics and environment; and a portion of the genetic is input is from "race" - instead of race you might prefer the anodyne term "population cluster."


What kind of human behavior are you talking about - a preference for tortillas instead of bread, conservatism vs liberalism? Sure would like to read the research you're referring to, if you could point the way, because it sounds like a load of malarkey.

It is. It's statistics and cultural fluff. Not genetics.

397 rappmandu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:38:26pm

Look at Nepal.

Most people opposed absolute monarchy. The Maoists came around promising to overthrow the king. Many foolishly aligned themselves with them in political marriages of convenience, thinking they could deal with the Maoists after eliminating the king.

Now, they deeply regret their Devil's Bargain, and this month's constituent assembly elections have been canceled due to Maoist ultimatums and threats to resume violence if their demands aren't met.

398 Lauraf  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:38:40pm

re: #359 hous bin pharteen

re: #335 jeppo

Why on earth do you think a country that gave so much in blood and treasure to defeat the Nazi's would just jump in bed with people with the same ideas rolling around their head?

If the anti-jihadis in the US get in bed with white supremacists in Europe, guess what? IT IS OVER.
There is no way any arguments against the Jihad would make any headway after that in the US. We in the US would be finished.
So not only have you lost Europe, you just lost the United States as an ally.
Boy, that is one hell of a good plan!

Well said. The European supporters of these nazis and nazoids really don't get it.

399 allahakchew  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:40:02pm

re: #374 jeppo

#345 Truumax

I wish, we probably all wish that Belgium was more like America (definitely not the other way around). So let's find a political party that's pro-American, pro-Israeli, pro-free enterprise, pro-free speech, pro-family values, anti-Islamist, anti-EU, and generally much more conservative than anything on the scene right now.

Hey, guess what? It already exists and it's called the Vlaams Belang.

You left out pro-white..

400 lucius septimius  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:40:14pm

re: #361 debutaunt

re: #357 lucius septimius
357 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:20:17 pm reply quote report 0

re: #352 debutaunt

#346 lucius septimius 11/02/07 4:16:16 pm reply quote report 0

re: #342 Highrise

Go person!

(trying to avoid gendered language)


Gender away....

I would, but my wife if the jealous type.


Aha! A tiny slip of the pen.

Hard to concentrate in the presence of Lizard Loveliness.

If I did not appreciate the fairer sex, my bride would think I was sick.

And she'd be correct.

401 jehu  Fri, Nov 2, 2007 4:40:16pm

LSD 344

Sorry. You're way off.
You seem to possibly have a problem with calling Wrong, Wrong.
Have you ever spent 30 min. at a neo-nazi rally?
It's enough to make you puke.
(Unless you agree with it.)

If not wanting to tolerate a group whose leadership rose from Hitlers SS, (Much like CAIR rose from Hamas), is "white guilt", I'll have to live with the "guilt" and keep fighting Islamofascists - and Eurofascists if need be ...

What bothers me is the ready label of "racists," for a political party that had 800,000 votes in a small country. Are they all racists? Or is it some of the leadership, that is not clear to me. This is a blog and unfortunately they have a tendency to group think. I have been here before and it is easy to go with the tide. I have legitimate questions, including is some of this professional jealousy? A blog war signifying nothing? Or has Charles uncovered a real stinker?

I see people jumping all over some posters that are defending to some degree this party, with some reasonable arguments IMO. And to measure Belgian politics with an American yard stick seems regional at best and arrogant at worst. Perhaps the attention of people that care for the survival of Belgium and Europe can help in some way, but I do not see anything productive in yelling racist to a large group of people that may have found the only way at this time of fighting the double threat of Islamification and Crazed Socialists.

I can't stand neo-nazi skinheads to me they are vermin. If this party is wedded to them with no chance of reform, then I will echo the sentiments of many here...the hell with them, and probably the hell with Belgium. But I am not re