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Saturday Morning Open Thread

Sat, Nov 3, 2007 at 11:11:42 am PDT

It’s a sad day when you find out that it’s not accident or time or fortune, but just yourself that kept things from you.

Lillian Hellman

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1 experiencedtraveller  11/03/07 11:12:50 am reply quote 0

While I like the quotes I miss the tankers.

2 Pvt Bin Jammin  11/03/07 11:12:52 am reply quote 1

And a beautiful morning it is!

3 Truumax  11/03/07 11:13:53 am reply quote 0

And a crummy night here in Sweden. All the snow that fell last night rained away today.

I sad.

4 SlartyBartfast  11/03/07 11:14:29 am reply quote 0

How 'bout some Saturday afternoon Kansas (from '76)?

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

5 zombie  11/03/07 11:14:51 am reply quote 1
It’s a sad day when you find out that it’s not accident or time or fortune, but just yourself that kept things from you.

— Lillian Hellman

A quote from Lillian Hellman! She was a stone-cold communist!

6 JammieWearingFool  11/03/07 11:16:20 am reply quote 1

All the leaves are (almost) brown and the sky is grey.

'Tis fall in the northeast.

7 experiencedtraveller  11/03/07 11:17:22 am reply quote 1

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8 Sharmuta  11/03/07 11:17:37 am reply quote 1

That's deep. I think most people's problems stem from not being honest with themselves. Or as Shakespeare wrote-

To thine own self be true.

9 Charles  11/03/07 11:18:17 am reply quote 3

re: #5 zombie

It’s a sad day when you find out that it’s not accident or time or fortune, but just yourself that kept things from you.— Lillian Hellman
A quote from Lillian Hellman! She was a stone-cold communist!

That proves that Atlas and Paul Belien and all the others are right about me, I guess. I'm a dyed in the wool leftist.

(Actually, the quotes are randomly chosen from a large quote file.)

10 albusteve  11/03/07 11:19:40 am reply quote 0

Slartys' got the right idea...and here's where it all began...sacred turf my friends...

[Link: www.youtube.com...]

11 Dead Sea Squirrel  11/03/07 11:19:59 am reply quote 0

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12 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:20:56 am reply quote 3

Meanwhile in the Apartheid Kingdom....
Saudi executes Egyptian for practising "witchcraft"


Saudi Arabia executed on Friday an Egyptian man convicted of "sorcery", desecrating the Muslim holy book and adultery, the official news agency said.
...
It said Ibrahim had been accused by another foreign resident of practicing magic in order to separate him from his wife and said evidence had been found in his home, including books on black magic, a candle with an incantation "to summon devils" and "foul-smelling herbs".

"He confessed to adultery with a woman and desecrating the Koran by placing it in the bathroom," the agency said.

Saudi media first reported the case in April, saying mosque worshippers had complained that a pharmacist in the northern desert town of Arar had placed copies of the Koran in washrooms. No accusation of adultery was mentioned at the time.

Just Poop.

13 Thanos  11/03/07 11:21:32 am reply quote 0

re: #3 Truumax

And a crummy night here in Sweden. All the snow that fell last night rained away today.

I sad.


That always is depressing, now you have to look at muddy leaves.

14 mondoreb  11/03/07 11:22:47 am reply quote 0

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15 experiencedtraveller  11/03/07 11:24:12 am reply quote 0
I'm a dyed in the wool leftist.

Is that patchouli I smell?

16 mondoreb  11/03/07 11:28:06 am reply quote 2

OT:
al-Qaida's all out sorts

al-Qaida's #2 Calls for Holy War: Gadhafi, Abbas and the US are Targeted

Things aren't going well for the AQ guys.

They should watch the U.S. media more often. It might cheer them up.

17 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 11:30:28 am reply quote 0

Lillian Hellman was a raving nut.

18 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:32:55 am reply quote 3

All aboard the Bruka Bus.....
Iranian Lady Drives a Bus

19 kmg  11/03/07 11:33:49 am reply quote 0

That hits home.

20 Fenway_Nation  11/03/07 11:34:13 am reply quote 0

Rhode Island gave up THREE safeties (and counting) against UMass today, tying an NCAA record.

/gotta love Div. 1AA football!

21 Nobody's Dhimmi  11/03/07 11:34:13 am reply quote 0

Those could almost be the words of my sister talking to me this morning.
The view from the middle of my life.

The random quote generator--- kinda like the I Ching. Or something out of a Chinese fortune cookie.

22 Dianna  11/03/07 11:34:17 am reply quote 0

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23 TimeQuake  11/03/07 11:35:01 am reply quote 0

"Bad is never good until worse happens."

Danish Proverb

24 uncle_monkey  11/03/07 11:35:35 am reply quote 0
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Steven Wright

25 Charles  11/03/07 11:35:41 am reply quote 9

re: #17 Ringo the Gringo

Lillian Hellman was a raving nut.

Her political opinions were nutty, definitely. But she was also a hell of a good writer.

If I started choosing which writers/musicians to read or listen to based on their political opnions, there wouldn't be much to read or listen to.

26 Empire1  11/03/07 11:36:07 am reply quote 0

From the AKC Dachshund standard: "The Dachshund is clever, lively and courageous to the point of rashness, ... "

My year-old Dachshund mix made a heroic effort to either go after or lure in a large Lab mix this morning, spine fur all standing up, so I believe this one now. (Tussling with our other dog, despite the size difference, I don't count; they're friends.) Fortunately, Jake the Lab just kept trotting home!

And it looks like yard sales are done for the year here in Delaware. Drat!

27 Fenway_Nation  11/03/07 11:37:39 am reply quote 0

re: #9 Charles


(Actually, the quotes are randomly chosen from a large quote file.)

Just for funsies, you should take the randomly chosen quote and run them through the Chomskybot.

28 Blue Chip  11/03/07 11:38:24 am reply quote 0

OT (in an open thread...?)

I'm having breakfast with John Kerry Monday morning.

[Link: southshoremacoc.weblinkconnect.com...]


7:44 Breakfast with Sen. John Kerry
Date 11/5/2007 
Time 7:44 AM TO 9:00 AM
Event Description:
Please join us for a 7:44 with Senator John Kerry!

Not sure if I'll be dragged out yelling 'don't tase me, bro!' for asking a question, but does anyone have a good question (no skull & cross bones stuff) that might show the true charcter of Senator Kerry?

29 NJDhockeyfan  11/03/07 11:38:41 am reply quote 0
30 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 11:39:10 am reply quote 2

Hellman wrote the screenpay for the 1970's Jane Fonda film Julia which was based on parts of Hellma's memoirs. It turned out that the she had completely fabricated the friendship between herself and the character Julia, who in reality, turned out to be a woman named Murial Gardner and had never even met Hellman.

Another story of fake but accurate.

31 PoorMan  11/03/07 11:39:15 am reply quote 0

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32 mondoreb  11/03/07 11:39:59 am reply quote 0

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33 Truumax  11/03/07 11:40:43 am reply quote 3

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34 Sharmuta  11/03/07 11:40:43 am reply quote 0

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35 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 11:41:21 am reply quote 0

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36 Geepers  11/03/07 11:41:55 am reply quote -1

Dianna (#22),

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37 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:42:35 am reply quote 2

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38 Truumax  11/03/07 11:42:54 am reply quote 0

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39 Pvt Bin Jammin  11/03/07 11:43:45 am reply quote 0

re: #28 Blue Chip

OT (in an open thread...?)

I'm having breakfast with John Kerry Monday morning.


[Link:
40 Pvt Bin Jammin  11/03/07 11:44:29 am reply quote 0

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41 EmeraldLakeEyes  11/03/07 11:46:07 am reply quote 0

re: #28 Blue Chip

OT (in an open thread...?)

I'm having breakfast with John Kerry Monday morning.


[Link:
42 EmeraldLakeEyes  11/03/07 11:46:34 am reply quote 0

PIMF releasing...

43 Blue Chip  11/03/07 11:46:44 am reply quote 0
Tax Free Killer should be ale to help with a few questions. Heck, maybe we should pitch in on a plane ticket for him.

LOL

They would definitely tase tax free - but he'd give as good as he got...

44 zombie  11/03/07 11:46:54 am reply quote 1

re: #9 Charles

re: #5 zombie

It’s a sad day when you find out that it’s not accident or time or fortune, but just yourself that kept things from you.— Lillian Hellman
A quote from Lillian Hellman! She was a stone-cold communist!
That proves that Atlas and Paul Belien and all the others are right about me, I guess. I'm a dyed in the wool leftist.

(Actually, the quotes are randomly chosen from a large quote file.)

Well, she was quite a good writer, and a famous "wit," so she's often quoted, aside from her politics.

45 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 11:47:26 am reply quote 0

Charles,

Her political opinions were nutty, definitely. But she was also a hell of a good writer.

One of my favorite writers when I was younger was a Norwegian author named Knut Hamsun. I read quite a few of his books and thoroughly enjoyed them before I came to find out that he had been a supporter of Germany during WWII and had even met with Hitler.

46 Pvt Bin Jammin  11/03/07 11:47:53 am reply quote 0

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47 ladycatnip  11/03/07 11:49:16 am reply quote 0

#12 Kilgore Trout

"He confessed to adultery with a woman and desecrating the Koran by placing it in the bathroom," the agency said.

Interesting to note in articles like this the islamists always print a "confession" by the accused.

On a much lighter note: Go USC!

48 zombie  11/03/07 11:49:29 am reply quote 0

re: #18 Killgore Trout

All aboard the Bruka Bus.....
Iranian Lady Drives a Bus

Why does Tehran have nicer buses than San Francisco?

49 Thanos  11/03/07 11:50:08 am reply quote 0

re: #33 Truumax

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50 kirche  11/03/07 11:50:24 am reply quote -2

"It’s a sad day when you find out that it’s not accident or time or fortune, but just yourself that kept things from you."

a sad day? sorry chuck, i found it to be the opposite of sad...

51 nyc redneck  11/03/07 11:51:27 am reply quote 0

re: #18 Killgore Trout

All aboard the Bruka Bus.....
Iranian Lady Drives a Bus

what a great gal. afew of those men didn't like being directed to the back of the bus. lol

52 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:51:58 am reply quote 1

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53 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:52:36 am reply quote 0

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54 debutaunt  11/03/07 11:53:02 am reply quote 0

#28 Blue Chip 11/03/07 11:38:24 am reply quote report 0

OT (in an open thread...?)

I'm having breakfast with John Kerry Monday morning.

[Link: southshoremacoc.weblinkconnect.com...]


7:44 Breakfast with Sen. John Kerry
Date 11/5/2007 
Time 7:44 AM TO 9:00 AM
Event Description:
Please join us for a 7:44 with Senator John Kerry!


Not sure if I'll be dragged out yelling 'don't tase me, bro!' for asking a question, but does anyone have a good question (no skull & cross bones stuff) that might show the true charcter of Senator Kerry?


Try to put his scumbaggyness in the form of a question.re:

55 Dianna  11/03/07 11:53:09 am reply quote 0

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56 zombie  11/03/07 11:53:19 am reply quote 0

re: #25 Charles

re: #17 Ringo the Gringo

Lillian Hellman was a raving nut.
Her political opinions were nutty, definitely. But she was also a hell of a good writer.

If I started choosing which writers/musicians to read or listen to based on their political opnions, there wouldn't be much to read or listen to.

True. For example, despite all the ragging he gets here, Stephen Georgiou/Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam/Yusuf was a brilliant songwriter back when he was young in the mid-'60s. A lot of people don't want to admit it now, though. Even Frank Zappa, for all his brilliance -- and sort of an LGF mascot -- was fairly moonbatty in many ways.

57 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:53:45 am reply quote 0

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58 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:54:40 am reply quote 0

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59 JeremyR  11/03/07 11:55:26 am reply quote 2

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60 Truumax  11/03/07 11:58:27 am reply quote 2

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61 MJ  11/03/07 11:58:34 am reply quote 4

OK, if Charles can put a quote by Lillian Hellman, I can put up a post which praises a few actions by Democrats this week.

First, in the Senate both Diane Feinstein and Chuck Shurmer did the right thing to vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee to send on the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey to the full Senate for approval.
The Daily Kos and other terror-supporting sites are, of course, calling for revenge.

Second, as the Forward reports,
"Carter has encountered similar difficulties in reaching out to Jewish lawmakers on Capitol Hill. A closed-door meeting he held with Jewish members of Congress turned into a passionate rebuke of the former president’s views on Israel and the Middle East.

“He left the room less happy than Lincoln was when he left the Ford Theatre,” said Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat who attended the meeting....Carter’s chilly reception by the Jewish organizations only got worse a few hours later, when he met with Jewish lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The event, hosted by California Democrat Tom Lantos, served as a forum for Jewish Democrats to vent their outrage at Carter’s book.

“I told him that the Jewish community, that has great respect for his work around the world, is extremely hurt, disappointed and frustrated from his views and that he cannot serve as an honest broker,” Ackerman said.

A similar message was also voiced by Lantos and three other Jewish lawmakers who attended the meeting: Henry Waxman, Howard Berman and Jane Harman.

The members of Congress told Carter that he needs to apologize, but the former president did not do so.

Third, Abe Foxman did the right thing and would not meet with Carter in the latter's effort to mend fences with the Jewish community:
"Foxman rejects the claim that turning down the invitation was improper.

“I don’t disrespect him,” Foxman said, adding that his reason for not coming to the meeting was Carter’s refusal to apologize for arguing that Jews control the media and academia. “He is entitled not to support Israel, but he is not entitled to come out and fuel antisemitic canards.”

Finally, it has been reported that Condi Rice, the incompetent fool running the State Department, invited Carter to meet with her to discuss his views on the Middle East. Turns out that even Condi Rice knew better. Carter invited himself to the meeting:
"“She was not seeking advice from him,” the official said, stressing that it was Carter who asked for the meeting and that Rice agreed “out of respect.”

However, Rice did invite James Baker so she's still a fool.
[Link: www.forward.com...]

62 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 11:59:57 am reply quote 0

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63 Rain Patriot  11/03/07 11:59:58 am reply quote 0

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64 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 12:00:13 pm reply quote 0

Alright, I just went and did my voting for the weblog awards. Good to Jammiewearingfool is winning!

I've got to go dust off one of my suits now. I'm ging to a wedding in a couple of hours.

Take care all.

65 Thanos  11/03/07 12:00:29 pm reply quote 1

Well Musharraf spoke, and I suspect that we will not hear much from Pakistan after -- it's late there and a lot of folks are heading to bed wondering what they will wake to on the morrow.

66 the Crusader  11/03/07 12:01:50 pm reply quote 0

Here is some Saturday afternoon entertainment. Wow! This is one talented dude! Short clip entitled Juggling Hammers.

67 debutaunt  11/03/07 12:02:01 pm reply quote 0

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68 zombie  11/03/07 12:03:02 pm reply quote 0

re: #62 Killgore Trout

re: #55 Dianna

I didn't think I'd be able to find the story but here it is...
Saudi Schoolteacher Scandal Site

It gives some insight into his "Witchcraft" charge.

He invented an instrument that produces a sound before the fall of rain. He put this machine at the school's gate to help students know if the rain was coming in order to avoid getting wet in their way home. this machine produces musical sound; so his fellow opponent teachers accused him of legalizing music, which is banned in the Wahhabi sect of Islam, and when Muhammed's case went to court, the judge accused him of using witchcraft to operate this instrument!

Wow, that's really interesting. The teacher is actually a scientist who created a clever device, and he's being punished by the religious authorities for using "witchcraft" to do something scientific!

Shades of Galileo -- in the 21st century!

69 zombie  11/03/07 12:03:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #64 Ringo the Gringo

I've got to go dust off one of my suits now. I'm ging to a wedding in a couple of hours.

That's all you ever seem to do!

/s

70 Dianna  11/03/07 12:04:08 pm reply quote 0

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71 Sharmuta  11/03/07 12:05:43 pm reply quote 0

Don't forget to vote for Michael Totten, too.

72 Catttt  11/03/07 12:06:03 pm reply quote 2

Egytian Blogger Wael Abbas on CNN!

I am a subscriber on his youtube posts. He blogs on police brutality and on the heavy-handed government and lack of rights there. He is quite prolific with video blogging on youtube. This also gives a great overview of Egyptians' use of the 'net. Those who have the 'net (only 6 percent) tend to be educated and well off. They depend on the 'net for news, since their MSM is government-controlled and useless - and boring.

73 Dianna  11/03/07 12:06:55 pm reply quote 0

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74 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 12:08:10 pm reply quote 1

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75 albusteve  11/03/07 12:09:05 pm reply quote 0

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76 Thanos  11/03/07 12:10:33 pm reply quote 0

Do we have anyone out here willing to translate some Dutch for me this morn? I'm still debating whether to run with the rat or not.

77 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 12:11:06 pm reply quote 1

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78 Truumax  11/03/07 12:12:55 pm reply quote 0

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79 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 12:13:02 pm reply quote 0

When priests go wild....
Priest destroys 'ox testicles' fresco

A French priest has gone on trial for destroying a fresco in his village chapel on the grounds it depicted Saint Luke as an ox with testicles.

The village of Saint Etienne du Gres, near the southern city of Avignon, commissioned a fresco of the Four Evangelists for the choir of its 11th-century Roman chapel.

The fresco depicted Mark as a lion, John as an eagle, Luke as an ox and Matthew as an angel.

But parish priest Michel Cicculo took deep offence at painter Jacques Descordes' depiction of the bull's testicles, and of the angel as a woman with small, nude breasts, and in February 2006 he destroyed the entire work with a rock hammer.


Bullocks!

80 kirche  11/03/07 12:13:15 pm reply quote 0

#60 truumax

"I've always found the cold darkness of swedish winter to be uplifting."

i spent '05 and '06 in sweden - - and i HATE winter - - but have to agree with you to a point. my expat assignment did not include a car and i spent hours each day outside walking (appropriately dressed, of course) and taking the bus. being outside (by no choice) did make it more tolerable.

but i don't miss it!

81 storagemanager  11/03/07 12:13:16 pm reply quote 0
ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - President Gen. Pervez Musharraf says in address to the nation that Pakistan is at a "dangerous" juncture.

[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

82 Dianna  11/03/07 12:13:47 pm reply quote 0

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83 Thanos  11/03/07 12:14:01 pm reply quote 0

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84 Ringo the Gringo  11/03/07 12:14:32 pm reply quote 0

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85 storagemanager  11/03/07 12:15:38 pm reply quote -1
CHARLESTON, W.Va. (AP) - Hundreds of people gathered at West Virginia's Capitol on Saturday to urge prosecutors to add hate crime charges against six white people charged in the beating, torture and sexual assault of a 20-year-old black woman.
Authorities say the accused, three men and three women, held Megan Williams captive for days at a rural trailer—sexually assaulting her, beating her and forcing her to eat human and animal feces.

"Hate crimes are out of control in America," Malik Shabazz, a legal adviser to Williams and her family and a founder of Black Lawyers for Justice, told those gathered. "Nooses are being hung and our women are being raped by white moms. What happened to Megan Williams was a hate crime and we want this prosecuted as a hate crime."

Shabazz staged the rally despite a request by the city's black ministerial association and the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People not to gather because it could harm the prosecution's case.

Logan County Prosecutor Brian Abraham has not filed hate crime charges in the case saying the other charges already filed carried harsher penalties. A hate crime conviction carries up to 10 years in prison in West Virginia. All six face kidnapping and sexual assault charges. Kidnapping carries a possible life sentence.

Abraham, who urged Williams and her family not to talk about the case or attend the rally, has said it might be difficult to prove a hate crime charge because Williams had a "social relationship" with one of the suspects for at least several months before the alleged assaults.

Williams attended the rally wearing a T-shirt with the message "Protect the Black Woman."


[Link: www.breitbart.com...]

86 albusteve  11/03/07 12:15:40 pm reply quote 0

re: #77 Killgore Trout

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87 Piglet-U93  11/03/07 12:16:18 pm reply quote 2

re: #59 JeremyR

re: #9 Charles

Quotes from a communists are like a blind squirrel who finds a nut every once in a while. Even the commies can say something smart once in a while.

Even Mohammad (the pedophile) said something nice once (in the early days at Mecca) before he was forced to move to Medina and then demanded that all unbelievers must be killed, converted or forced into submission.

By the way all those tolerant Meccan verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated (made null and void) and the violent ones are now the ones to be followed exclusively.

88 Truumax  11/03/07 12:17:56 pm reply quote 0

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89 Truumax  11/03/07 12:19:02 pm reply quote 0

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90 Chicken Kiev  11/03/07 12:19:57 pm reply quote 0

#33 Truumax

If you're still here --

That is a very poetic description indeed! Like it a lot!

(From someone in sunny California.)

91 Thanos  11/03/07 12:20:48 pm reply quote 3

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92 Truumax  11/03/07 12:21:28 pm reply quote 0

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93 tommygum  11/03/07 12:21:31 pm reply quote 0

re: #38 Truumax

re: #25 Charles

Tell me about it. For every sane actor/musician/entertainer, there's a million nutjobs. Comes with the job, I guess.

//Fledgling bass player myself, but not a cook

Listen to Jack Bruce. All you'll ever need to know.

94 storagemanager  11/03/07 12:21:56 pm reply quote 2

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95 Thanos  11/03/07 12:23:37 pm reply quote 2

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96 tommygum  11/03/07 12:23:46 pm reply quote 0

re: #48 zombie

re: #18 Killgore Trout

All aboard the Bruka Bus.....
Iranian Lady Drives a Bus

Why does Tehran have nicer buses than San Francisco?

People aren't naked.

97 BeerForMyHorses  11/03/07 12:24:28 pm reply quote 0

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98 Jay777  11/03/07 12:26:11 pm reply quote 0

Burn an American Flag: Get Extra Credit for College Course!

A University of Maine student alleges her former professor offered extra credit to class members if they burned the American flag or the U.S. Constitution or were arrested defending free speech.

99 albusteve  11/03/07 12:26:37 pm reply quote 0

re: #93 tommygum

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101 Truumax  11/03/07 12:27:20 pm reply quote 0

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102 albusteve  11/03/07 12:30:29 pm reply quote 1

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103 tommygum  11/03/07 12:31:06 pm reply quote 0

re: #61 MJ

OK, if Charles can put a quote by Lillian Hellman, I can put up a post which praises a few actions by Democrats this week.

First, in the Senate both Diane Feinstein and Chuck Shurmer did the right thing to vote in the Senate Judiciary Committee to send on the nomination of Judge Michael Mukasey to the full Senate for approval.
The Daily Kos and other terror-supporting sites are, of course, calling for revenge.

Second, as the Forward reports,
"Carter has encountered similar difficulties in reaching out to Jewish lawmakers on Capitol Hill. A closed-door meeting he held with Jewish members of Congress turned into a passionate rebuke of the former president’s views on Israel and the Middle East.

“He left the room less happy than Lincoln was when he left the Ford Theatre,” said Rep. Gary Ackerman, a New York Democrat who attended the meeting....Carter’s chilly reception by the Jewish organizations only got worse a few hours later, when he met with Jewish lawmakers on Capitol Hill. The event, hosted by California Democrat Tom Lantos, served as a forum for Jewish Democrats to vent their outrage at Carter’s book.

“I told him that the Jewish community, that has great respect for his work around the world, is extremely hurt, disappointed and frustrated from his views and that he cannot serve as an honest broker,” Ackerman said.

A similar message was also voiced by Lantos and three other Jewish lawmakers who attended the meeting: Henry Waxman, Howard Berman and Jane Harman.

The members of Congress told Carter that he needs to apologize, but the former president did not do so.

Third, Abe Foxman did the right thing and would not meet with Carter in the latter's effort to mend fences with the Jewish community:
"Foxman rejects the claim that turning down the invitation was improper.

“I don’t disrespect him,” Foxman said, adding that his reason for not coming to the meeting was Carter’s refusal to apologize for arguing that Jews control the media and academia. “He is entitled not to support Israel, but he is not entitled to come out and fuel antisemitic canards.”

Finally, it has been reported that Condi Rice, the incompetent fool running the State Department, invited Carter to meet with her to discuss his views on the Middle East. Turns out that even Condi Rice knew better. Carter invited himself to the meeting:
"“She was not seeking advice from him,” the official said, stressing that it was Carter who asked for the meeting and that Rice agreed “out of respect.”

However, Rice did invite James Baker so she's still a fool.
[Link: www.forward.com...]


An appropriate opology IMHO, would involve Supuko.

104 Thanos  11/03/07 12:32:11 pm reply quote 0

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105 Truumax  11/03/07 12:32:45 pm reply quote 0

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106 tommygum  11/03/07 12:34:17 pm reply quote 0

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107 albusteve  11/03/07 12:34:59 pm reply quote 0

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108 jcm  11/03/07 12:35:37 pm reply quote 0

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re: #95 Thanos

Dude. Like, bro. Seriously. Dude. Right on. Bro.

:)

Man, what I need right now is to get a warm cup of choco, a nice big blanket, and sit here in the dark and think about snow.

/Completely serious

One of the more wonderful things about driving through a full-moon winter night in the North is that the reflected light is pretty bright -- you can drive with headlights off in a weird darker-than-twilight world. I do not recommend it in heavy traffic, but I've often turned off my headlights driving through broad pass to Anchorage.

Did that across Idaho into Wyoming one night, fresh snow, full moon, clear skies. See better that night without head lights.

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110 The Sanity Inspector  11/03/07 12:37:06 pm reply quote 0

For those who are having trouble with the Lillian Hellman quote, because it is from Hellman, here is the same idea as stated 100 years previously by George Eliot:

For in general mortals have a great power of being astonished at the presence of an effect towards which they have done everything, and at the absence of an effect towards which they have done nothing but desire it. Parents are astonished at the ignorance of their sons, though they have used the most time-honoured and expensive means of securing it; husbands and wives are mutually astonished at the loss of affection which they have taken no pains to keep; and all of us in our turn are apt to be astonished that our neighbours do not admire us. In this way it happens that the truth seems highly improbable. The truth is something different from the habitual lazy combinations begotten by our wishes.
-- George Eliot, Daniel Deronda, 1876

111 Killgore Trout  11/03/07 12:37:25 pm reply quote 0

Le Jeux....
Sarkozy accused of working for Israeli intelligence

A letter dispatched to French police officials late last winter -- long before the presidential election but somehow kept secret -- revealed that Sarkozy was recruited as an Israeli spy. The French police is currently investigating documents concerning Sarkozy's alleged espionage activities on behalf of Mossad, which Le Figaro claims dated as far back as 1983. According to the author of the message, in 1978, Israeli prime minister Menachem Begin ordered the infiltration of the French ruling Gaullist Party, Union pour un Mouvement Populaire. Originally targeted were Patrick Balkany, Patrick Devedjian and Pierre Lellouche. In 1983, they recruited the "young and promising" Sarkozy, the "fourth man".
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France's Muslim minority was far from surprised by Le Figaro 's revelations, even though some may have feigned disappointment. Others have been more forthright. "France is not run by Frenchmen, but by lackeys of the Zionist International who control the economy," lamented Radio Islam, of militant Islamist tendencies.


Heh.

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Quotes from a communists are like a blind squirrel who finds a nut every once in a while. Even the commies can say something smart once in a while.

Even Mohammad (the pedophile) said something nice once (in the early days at Mecca) before he was forced to move to Medina and then demanded that all unbelievers must be killed, converted or forced into submission.

By the way all those tolerant Meccan verses in the Qur'an have been abrogated (made null and void) and the violent ones are now the ones to be followed exclusively.


That's perfect! The Pedophile-Mohammad. -re:

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118 jcm  11/03/07 12:40:49 pm reply quote 0

OT,

Locker Room Free for All.
Every high schools boys dream come true.

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120 DreadWolf  11/03/07 12:41:31 pm reply quote 1

Someone help me please - I just got my opinion of the Republican presidential candidates turned upside down. I almost feel ill.

I was sure up to a few hours ago that I would vote for one of the top 4 Republicans in the end, and have been leaning very heavily toward Giuliani because of his WoT credibility and the great staff he's been putting together. Then I stumbled on the link below. I didn't think this would be a critical issue for me, but I was SHOCKED at the ignorant, uneducated and heartless answers given by most of the Republican candidates: [Link: granitestaters.com...]

If you drill into the detailed comments, Rudy goes off the deep end relative to the facts: "...marijuana is a very dangerous substance.....marijuana is a very serious and addictive drug..." He sounds like he's auditioning for drug czar! Even my 75 year-old Mom knows he's wrong on this - he's either deluded or irrational. Bad sign.

So what do I do now? Fred is still thinking about his position, but I am wary of him due to the Spencer Abraham situation. Romney and McCain show no more wisdom than Rudy. Voting for a Democrat is out of the question. I'm so disgusted right now - I may not vote for anyone. Can I live with the continued unnecessary suffering of innocent patients for another 5 years in order to get a President who is strong on defense? I hate the choice I'm given.

And who would have predicted which two Republicans gave the most intelligent, human responses? I especially liked Tancredo's, but I don't think he's electable.

Digging a little more I found a couple of other interesting tidbits:

1) Although John Edwards lines up with all the Democrats now, it's a complete flip-flop from where he was before:

"Edwards has publicly stated that he thinks it would be "irresponsible" to end the Justice Department's policy of arresting patients and caregivers who defy federal law. In late August, Edwards' campaign repeatedly attempted to block